June 97 Article 8388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!snowcrest!usenet From: beesong@snowcrest.net (Kate Bauer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:55:26 -0700 Organization: Bee Song Honey Farms Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp187.snowcrest.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8388 [snip] > I object to calling the european honey bee a white man's flie. The bee is > something introduced by settlers at a time when no alternatives were known. [snip] The poster was simply referring correctly to what the Native Americans called honeybees ("white man's flies") in the historical sense and is not being derogatory toward European honeybees. The native peoples in North America had not previously seen honeybees and called them "flies" because that was the closest thing they could relate to entomologically. Article 8389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:00:18 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <338dc2d6.10534167@news.netside.com> References: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-84.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8389 I lift out frames with a frame lifter! It grabs the frames by the top bar and allows me to pull straight up. It also holds tightly enough to let me turn the frames around for inspection. These tools are widely available in stores or by mail. I also use a special hive tool that is flat, with a J shape and a notch at one end, which I bought from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. This handy device allows me to pop free frames held in nine frame spacers, and is much easier than a regular hive tool if you are using spacers. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey production Date: Fri, 30 May 97 10:07:56 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17B7E8E7FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <338CB5EE.FD32E4D0@dave-world.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8390 In article <338CB5EE.FD32E4D0@dave-world.net> Eric Marshall writes: > >How much excess honey does the average hive produce in Illinois per >year? > >Thanks. > An Illinois super usually holds about 35-40 pounds ;-) Article 8391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial2.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: 26 May 97 20:15:02 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bc6a11$6b95d0e0$2a80a19d@default> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8391 asdfa schrieb im Beitrag <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net>... > I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my > garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. Unfortunately, there is no method that would compel a swarm with queen to leave its newly elected home! One may try with a hose attached to a vacuum cleaner to aspirate them out of walls or insulated roofs. This is best done within the first few days before the swarm has built combs and filled them with honey and brood. The opening should be sealed carefully or re-colonisation by another swarm is likely to occur. Good luck! francis Article 8392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: See Brian Ferguson's Bee Pics Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:22:13 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5mngft$47p$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-44.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8392 First , sorry for the "cock up" and trashing all your mail boxes with duplicate messages. Using beta software sometimes does that. Allen Dick has made space on his system for Brian's beekeeping pictures and you can find them at: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/WildBees/ Because they turned out better then anything I expected I will try to get Brian to take more time away from his busy schedule keeping his bee business on the road and take some more.. I also will try to get more details on the camera he is using, and also what is in the pictures. Also would be happy to have other internet sites that would like to display a few beekeeping pictures. My collection is small but growing and I still have the Orange Bloom pics and others that could be used...including a couple of how Leaf Cutter bees are housed and used to pollinate alfalfa seed. ttul Andy- Article 8393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees to Sections, Help. Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:42:59 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8393 In article <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie>, =?iso- 8859-1?q?Se=E1n_Corcoran?= writes >Hello there. >A friend of mine tells me that he has difficulty getting his bees to go up >to work on sections >He cannot find reason why. >Have you any ideas, suggestions, advice for him?. > >I am a newcomer to Beekeeping having bought my first Bees yesterday. > >Thanks, >Sean. > Hello Sean, Excuse me if I am repeating other replies you may have had, but my modem has been out of action for 3 weeks and I'm just catching up. Bees usually have to be crowded to work sections, and unless you have a young queen or it is late in the season, (e.g. heather time - October, in the UK.) they tend to swarm. Regards -- Tom S Article 8394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Looks For Books... Date: 31 May 1997 03:50:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 46 Message-ID: <01bc6d75$ca11d9e0$528cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 30 10:50:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8394 Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow wrote in article ... > Hi! We have three acres of land and would like to keep bees for the > purpose of enjoying them as well as for making a little honey. Can someone > please recommend a couple of good starter books? "Guide to Bees and Honey" by Ted Hooper & Roger Morse "The Hive and the Honey Bee" 1992 revised edition, edited by Joe Graham >We live in Wisconsin...if > that matters for the type of bees, You want good Northern bees. Bees that overwinter well and are frugal with stores. Probably Buckfast, Carniolan, or Caucasian - your choice. > or hive, Go with standard type equipment - if you buy package bees then size of brood chambers is completely up to you. If you buy Nucs (short for nucleus colonies) then you must use at least one hive body with the same depth frame as your Nuc producer. >or whatever. Thanks very much > for your help. You are welcome and wished all the best - it is nice to be on this newsgroup where people are friendly and helpful - 'tis not like that everywhere on UseNet. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD4C6.7C5A@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:58:45 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Lacemaker Subject: Re: Columbus OH beekeeper-HELP References: <01bc68ab$16be5540$c04993cf@worldnet.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8395 Boy, I wish I could help, I love capturing swarms. Alas, I am on Vashon Island, three miles off of Seattle, Wa. Oh well. If you'd like to capture them for yourself, a good way is to get a salmon net, or something like it...a net with an opening of about 2 feet across. Line it with a plastic garbage bag and climb up on a ladder to reach the ball of bees. Grab the branch they're on and give it a good hard shake once or twice. The bees fall into the garbage bag, you come down to the ground, you dump the bees out onto a hive with the cover removed. The bees crawl into their new home, you place a screen into the entry so they can't escape, nail the cover on, secure the bottom board with hive cleats, and off you go! I hope this helps. Article 8396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:02:51 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting costs????? References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8396 I made my own extractor, so I don't get charged a thing. You can do wonders with an old electric motor, a couple of pulleys, a new, galvanized garbage can and a little strap steel and hardware cloth. I could detail the thing if anyone wants to know. Cost me about $30.00 to build, and it's been working fine for years. Beats spending nearly $500.00 for a hand-crank model. Mine holds 2 frames at a time...deeps, westerns or shallows. Article 8397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD318.DED@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:51:37 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To see if I'm here... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8397 Testing...testing...anybody seeing this? Article 8398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD985.547B@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:19:00 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Memorial Day Observations References: <338A1157.3C1E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8398 Another beekeeper near me! Cool. All is well with the hives out here on Vashon. I have 5 and the blackberries near them are just beginning to blossom. Mmmmm, blackberry honey! Article 8399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:09:50 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.7 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8399 So, did you want to do this yourself then? If so, check out,"The ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture" from the library. It has a section that details just what needs to be done. Basically, you nail up a hive, complete with top, bottom and deep super with a couple of frames of brood and nurse bees, right next to the hole where the bees are coming and going. Then you fashion a cone out of fine hardware cloth, and staple it over the opening. The bees are smart enough to exit the cone, but when they come back, find that it's easier to just go into the hive that's there. Takes about a month to get them all, and even then you'll be left with the queen and her faithful few followers, but at this point you could kill her off and plug the hole. Place a fresh queen into the hive, or add the bees to existing colonies using the newspaper method. Article 8400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting costs????? Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 06:13:22 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5mofcl$f39$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: market.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8400 Thanks for those messages about the home made extractor and how to catch a swarm, Dan. Those show some real cool ingenuity. I would like to have some more detail on the extractor, if it wouldn't bee too much trouble for you to extract and post it. Thanks again. Article 8401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!alpha.sky.net!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.ci.com.au!not-for-mail From: callen@msp.masterpack.com.au (Chris Allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames for WBC hive Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 07:45:11 GMT Organization: Corinthian Internet Services, Sydney, Australia. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <338fd523.5953503@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva5.masterpack.com.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8401 How do you make frames for a WBC hive? My club (in Sydney) wants to build and and work a WBC hive for demonstrations. We have mostly langstoth hives and this will add a bit of variety. I have a set of drawings from the WWW which tell us how to build a hive. However there is no mention about the frames. We can make a good guess about their dimemsions but we would prefer to have the proper details. Can any one advise where we can find the full dimensions for them? Article 8402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 03:12:01 -0600 From: HeloSgt@aol.com Subject: trapping bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <864971074.25521@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: HeloSgt@aol.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 30 05:44:34 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 152.163.213.14 (ww-th10.proxy.aol.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-AOL (Win95; I; 16bit) X-Authenticated-Sender: HeloSgt@aol.com Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8402 I'm trapping a colony of bees out of a tree. Half entered the box and the other half (approx 40,000) have swarmed off somewhere. If you could help out, drop me a line at HeloSgt@aol.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: See Brian Ferguson's Bee Pics Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 07:38:07 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <338fd4c6.1819280@news.wn.com.au> References: <5mngft$47p$1@zinger.callamer.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8403 On Fri, 30 May 1997 14:22:13 -0700, "Andy Nachbaur" wrote: Also >would be happy to have other internet sites that would like to display a >few beekeeping pictures. My collection is small but growing and I still >have the Orange Bloom pics and others that could be used...including a >couple of how Leaf Cutter bees are housed and used to pollinate alfalfa >seed. > >ttul Andy- Hello Andy, I could squeeze a few more pics into my website (URL below) Please drop me an e-mail. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!calzone.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@calzone.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom for Sale Date: 31 May 1997 06:33:42 -0400 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5mouq6$gir@calzone.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: jhajeks@nzamky.sk NNTP-Posting-Host: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8404 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 05:17:32 -0700 From: jan hajek Subject: bee venom 15 grams of honey bee venom is available for sale immediately. Another 100 grams can be supplied upon contract agreement. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html Article 8405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "bouke scheffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in Ghana Date: 31 May 1997 17:03:51 GMT Organization: World Online Message-ID: <01bc6de3$c2182fa0$4191f1c3@bnscheff> NNTP-Posting-Host: grngn1-p65.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8405 There is a posibility for me to participate in a beekeeping project in Ghana (africa). I have 15years experiance in hobby beekeeping and i give every year instructions on people who are interrested in bekeeping and 80% starts afterwords whith a hive. I am a mentor for them for a whole year. That is all free of charge. Promoting beekeeping. About the beekeeping project in Ghana I am searching for any information about beekeeping in Africa and specialy in Ghana. Please inform me! bnscheff@worldonline.nl Article 8406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Robert A. Rioux Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: --HELP -- Bee vs Yellow Jacket Question!!!! Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:16:41 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.205.227 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8406 My grandfather has a bet with a friend that he asked me for some help on. My questions are: 1). What are the scientific (and/or Latin) names for bumble bees and yellow jackets? 2). Are they in the same family? 3). Are there any web pages that might help out? Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Please reply to e-mail, if possible....replies to the newsgroup would also be great!!!! Thank you in advance for your help, I really appreciate it! Rob Rioux Article 8407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: 1 Jun 1997 02:47:54 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 65 Message-ID: <01bc6e36$25406dc0$258cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 31 9:47:54 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8407 Dan Kiehnle wrote in article <338CD75F.3BF0@prostar.com>... > So, did you want to do this yourself then? If so, check out,"The ABC and > XYZ of Bee Culture" from the library. It has a section that details just > what needs to be done. Basically, you nail up a hive, complete with top, > bottom and deep super with a couple of frames of brood and nurse bees, > right next to the hole where the bees are coming and going. Then you > fashion a cone out of fine hardware cloth, and staple it over the > opening. The bees are smart enough to exit the cone, but when they come > back, find that it's easier to just go into the hive that's there. Takes > about a month to get them all, and even then you'll be left with the > queen and her faithful few followers, but at this point you could kill > her off and plug the hole. Place a fresh queen into the hive, or add the > bees to existing colonies using the newspaper method. Howdy All, Having removed bees using this method twice let me add in a couple hints and technical details. This method is useful if for some reason you cannot actually open the cavity up to extricate the bees. 1) be sure the hive is close as in less than 3 feet away from colony entrance 2) if the bees figure out how to go back in the cone - put a second and large cone over it - both screen cones having a exit hole only big enough for a single bee to get out (I used a pencil as a guage when making the cone) 3) put a frame of brood and a queen in your trap hive - this will prove more attractive (though it works without it) and will get things rolling faster - making better use of the bees 4) yep - it takes about a month (the brood in the old location has to hatch out) - yep in the mean time no resources are getting back into the old colony - yep they are getting stressed and either starving or MORE likely dehydrating - yep after the queen loses most of her work force she is in big trouble - yep she might come out but she didn't either time I did it from what I could tell (looking at the dead bees on ground to see if I could find a queen) 5) once you are not getting any more bees out of the old location - you then pull off the cone(s) and let the new colony rob out the old colony location - thus they leave behind mostly dry comb (they likely ate up most of the pollen they had during that month of no resources coming in) instead of a bunch of honey which would draw other insects and vermin and might ferment and then run all over. Once the old spot is FULLY robbed out then the spot should be filled up with at the least that expanding insulating foam. Old colony locations are HIGHLY attractive to swarms so this should be done ASAP as in RIGHT NOW after the place is robbed out. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3391CE4A.519C@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 15:32:26 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Great honey info Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------238B1FA75A75" NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.200 Lines: 145 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8408 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------238B1FA75A75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the National Honey Boards home page web site. 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--------------238B1FA75A75-- Article 8409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3391CD67.5798@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 15:28:39 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey straws Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.200 Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8409 Does anyone have any information on the suppliers of equipment to make honey straws. (The plastic straw filled with honey and sealed at both ends.) I want to use the straw as samples for sales. There is one place in PA that will do 60 lbs at a time. Between the shipping back and forth and the quantity that 60lbs makes thats a lot for samples. Article 8410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homemade Extractor - word of caution Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 20:09:20 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 2 Message-ID: <5msko1$fup$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> <01bc6ebd$919274a0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8410 Ok, thanks, Jack, for that info. Article 8411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!news.dra.com!news.starnet.net!news.starnet.net!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!wolfman.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: yoon youchang Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I want to study beekeeping Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:28:04 +1200 Organization: Customer of Telecom Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3391F774.940@xtra.co.nz> Reply-To: yooncy@xtra.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: p20-m8-wn4.dialup.xtra.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8411 I am very interested in beekeeping,but I don't know how to study. Anyone who knows anything about it, Please let me know. Thanks a lot chang Article 8412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.163.58.3!news.olywa.net!not-for-mail From: "Permaculture West" Subject: Permaculture Design Course Message-ID: <01bc6ef4$450592c0$543aa3cd@permawest.olywa.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 02:49:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8412 Building the Natural Community A two-week intensive Permaculture Design Course Date: September 6-19 Location: Wild Thyme Farm Oakville, WA Description: Wild Thyme Farm, a 140 acre evolving permaculture site and resource center, is located in the Chehalis river valley just 35 minutes South of Olympia, WA. 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Information is presented through such mediums as slide shows, lecture, hands-on demonstrations, field trips, and observation walks. Participants completing the entire course will receive a Permaculture Design Course Graduate certificate. Instructors include: Larry Santoyo; a world renowned permaculture designer & educator who has worked directly with Bill Mollison. Larry is one of the foremost urban permaculture designers in the U.S. and has developed sustainable industry programs for several major U.S. corporations. Paul Stamets; owner of Fungi Perfecti, the largest mushroom research facility in the NW. Paul has been pioneering permaculture strategies for re-integrating edible & medicinal mushrooms into residential & commercial landscapes. Simon Henderson; co-founder of Bamboo People, the NW’s leading bamboo research & consultation firm. Simon has traveled the world documenting bamboo cultivation and uses. He is author of Raising the Dragon: Bamboo Agroforestry in Southeast Asia. Michael Pilarski; founder of Friends of the Trees, a NW non-profit dedicated to reforesting the world. Michael has been a permaculture designer for over 15 years and has more than two decades worth of experience in international networking and sustainable natural resource management. Joanne Lee; has founded the South Sound Exchange, a local economic and bartering system for the Olympia area. She is also involved with co-housing initiatives in Thurston County. Cost: $675 (includes tuition, camping, materials, and all meals. Accommodations: Camping is free. Limited bunkhouse accommodations: $150. Guesthouse rooms: $200. Please inquire as to availability. Course is limited to 25 participants. Contact: Permaculture West 72 Mattson Rd. Oakville, WA 98568 Ph: (360) 352-6509 Fx: (360) 273-7117 E-mail: permawest@olywa.net Article 8413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Michael A. Kerker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP -- Bee vs Yellow Jacket Question!!!! Date: 2 Jun 1997 03:02:26 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01baee63$c8306de0$bf5a45c6@makerker> References: <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s191.paonline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8413 Bob: Hope this helps! I had to pull out the old entomology text for reference (Introduction to the Study of Insects; Borrer & Delong , 1971): Order Hymenoptera Suborder Apocrita Superfamily Vespoidea Family Vespidae Vespula maculifrons- yellow jacket Superfamily Apoidae Family Apidae Subfamily Apinae Tribe Apini Apis mellifera- honeybee Tribe Bombini Megabombus pennsylvanicus- bumblebee Robert A. Rioux Jr. wrote in article <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net>... > My grandfather has a bet with a friend that he asked me for some help > on. My questions are: > > 1). What are the scientific (and/or Latin) names for bumble bees and > yellow jackets? > 2). Are they in the same family? > 3). Are there any web pages that might help out? > > Article 8414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles R. Cummings" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What are these bees? Date: 1 Jun 1997 18:22:17 GMT Organization: CRC.Consulting Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bc6eb9$bb6513e0$2c7993cf@cummings> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.121.44 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8414 Hi. I'm a resident of Portland, OR. This year, my yard's been "annexed" by a strain of bee I've never seen before: They're the same size as a typical honey bee, but are all black save for a yellow spot on their top, near the head. They're "fuzzier" than a typical bee, and nest in the ground. They seem to have placed their hive by my kids' climbing structure. At least, there's a ton of holes in the ground with bees flying in and out :) My questions are: 1. What is this bee? 2. Is it aggressive? Should I move the play area well away from the bees? 3. Will this hive keep growing? Is it eventually going to spread across the yard? My thanks in advance for your help! Charles R. Cummings. CRC.Consulting@worldnet.att.net Article 8415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.168.4.227!newsfeed.cableol.net!cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees to Sections, Help. Date: 1 Jun 1997 18:44:10 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bc6d97$d1b4af20$LocalHost@default> References: <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p55-guan-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8415 Hi All, If you use a Snelgrove board and his swarm control methods you should get your bees to work sections a bit easier. It sometimes helps to to put a four "Bait" sections at the corners of the box. -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Tom Speight wrote in article ... > In article <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie>, =?iso- > 8859-1?q?Se=E1n_Corcoran?= writes > >Hello there. > >A friend of mine tells me that he has difficulty getting his bees to go up > >to work on sections > >He cannot find reason why. > >Have you any ideas, suggestions, advice for him?. > > > >I am a newcomer to Beekeeping having bought my first Bees yesterday. > > > >Thanks, > >Sean. > > > Hello Sean, > Excuse me if I am repeating other replies you may have had, but my modem > has been out of action for 3 weeks and I'm just catching up. > Bees usually have to be crowded to work sections, and unless you have a > young queen or it is late in the season, (e.g. heather time - October, > in the UK.) they tend to swarm. > Regards > -- > Tom S > Article 8416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homemade Extractor - word of caution Date: 1 Jun 1997 18:56:42 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc6ebd$919274a0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 01 11:56:42 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8416 Dan Kiehnle wrote in article <338CD5BC.2172@prostar.com>... > I made my own extractor, so I don't get charged a thing. You can do > wonders with an old electric motor, a couple of pulleys, a new, > galvanized garbage can and a little strap steel and hardware cloth. I > could detail the thing if anyone wants to know. Cost me about $30.00 to > build, and it's been working fine for years. Beats spending nearly > $500.00 for a hand-crank model. Mine holds 2 frames at a time...deeps, > westerns or shallows. > Galvanized material needs to be coated with a food-grade coating (Cam-Cote for one) so that the honey does not get contaminated by stripping off metal from the galvanization. Also if the garbage can is soldered together the possibility of lead is also there. If one wishes to make a homemade extractor it would be wise to use food grade materials to make it from. Stainless steel is optimal - food grade plastic (not just any plastic) would be another option. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.0.0.7!mhv.net!not-for-mail From: jschock@mhv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supplemental feeding Date: 1 Jun 1997 23:32:48 GMT Organization: MHVNet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5mt0r0$614$1@news.mhv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ulster-port59.mhv.net X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 1997 23:32:48 GMT X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8417 Does anyone have any thoughts about how long to continue supplying sugar syrup to newly established hives? I've started them almost two months ago and they still are using it up. thanks, John Article 8418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coop Flying Queens Date: 2 Jun 1997 10:41:41 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8418 I have two hives which have been queenless for over one month. I have introduced new eggs and uncapped brood on two occasions with no success. The brood chamber is completely filled with honey and pollen. - Should I continue introducing eggs? - Should I purchase new queens? - Should I combine the hives with a queened colony? Article 8419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: I want to study beekeeping Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:25:57 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <3392d635.2602730@news.wn.com.au> References: <3391F774.940@xtra.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8419 On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:28:04 +1200, yoon youchang wrote: >I am very interested in beekeeping,but I don't know how to study. >Anyone who knows anything about it, >Please let me know. > >Thanks a lot > >chang Hello Chang, You have an excellent starting point right there in New Zealand, namely Nick Wallingford's Beekeeping in New Zealand website. http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkg.htm. It is much better than any Australian sites that I have found, and Nick is a very helpful guy. If you don't find what you want to know on the website, or its numerous links, I am sure that if you e-mail him he will be willing and able to point you in the right direction. Good Luck! Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.radio.cz!btnet-feed3!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:51:36 -0600 From: fran.gravelle@worldnet.att.net Subject: Beekeeping Updates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865208789.26004@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: bud.fran@juno.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 01 23:46:29 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 207.146.239.27 (27.st-louis-024.mo.dial-access.att.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) X-Authenticated-Sender: fran.gravelle@worldnet.att.net Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8420 Is there a information listing sent automatically to e-mail users? My father-in-law is actively involved in recreational beekeeping in Brookville, Ohio area. What I am looking for is similar to news programs that automatically are sent to e-mail subscribers -- a similar type information type program for beekeepers. Please advise if such a service is available. Thanks, Fran Gravelle -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!worldnet.att.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:41:13 -0600 From: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Subject: Extractors/Food grade materials Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 02 18:34:52 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 134.134.248.16 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Authenticated-Sender: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8421 I'd like to put together my own extractor, and I'm wondering about materials to use. Obviously stainless steel and food grade pastic are best, but what about other grades of steel? Can steel be safely used in contact with honey, if it is kept clean and rust-free? On a related note, what is the pH of honey? Thanks for any info, Kelly Hillsboro, OR -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!tpark From: tpark@world.std.com (Ted Park) Subject: Bees and my hot tub Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:13:01 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8422 Greetings bee experts; I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are attracted to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation which occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. Just curious, --Ted. -- --------------------------------------------- Ted Park tpark@world.std.com also tpark@canuck.com On the web as Ted's Home Page Article 8423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coop Flying Queens Date: 2 Jun 1997 19:32:35 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 28 Message-ID: <01bc6f8b$bf62ed00$338cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 12:32:35 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8423 DncMcCloud wrote in article <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > I have two hives which have been queenless for over one month. Not good. What happened? A few more details might help in determining the best answer. >I have > introduced new eggs and uncapped brood on two occasions with no success. No queen cells were drawn off the frames????? How long ago were the frames of eggs and young brood introduced? > The brood chamber is completely filled with honey and pollen. Are they just plugged out and possibly queenright now with the queen having no place to lay? > - Should I continue introducing eggs? > - Should I purchase new queens? > - Should I combine the hives with a queened colony? IF (a big IF) the colonies in question have not dwindled done too far you could try various things to test for queen right status and get them requeened if needed BUT if you are getting near your main honeyflow it may be wiser to combine them with a known to be queenright colony. Article 8424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33934767.52F8@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 18:21:27 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hive sound midi file wanted References: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.229 Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.229 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8424 Steven Turner wrote: > > I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? > > email: st@amigabee.org.uk > > Regards Steve > > Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee > > ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! I don't believe that you mean MIDI. Midi file are usually music files. The MIDI stands for Misical Instrument Digital Interface. As mentioned in some of the replys a WAV file would be prefered. I'll keep looking...... Article 8425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP -- Bee vs Yellow Jacket Question!!!! Date: 2 Jun 1997 20:33:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5mvamo$fde$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8425 In article <3390B159.7373@worldnet.att.net>, Robert A. Rioux Jr. wrote: > 1). What are the scientific (and/or Latin) names for bumble bees and >yellow jackets? > 2). Are they in the same family? > 3). Are there any web pages that might help out? Sure: http://viner.ento.vt.edu/~ravlin/insect_orders Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <339348B4.781F@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 18:27:00 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.229 Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.229 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8426 Ted Park wrote: > > Greetings bee experts; > > I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a > home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are attracted > to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that > land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation which > occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. > > Just curious, > > --Ted. > -- > --------------------------------------------- > Ted Park tpark@world.std.com > also tpark@canuck.com > On the web as Ted's Home Page Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse. You can try puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees to get at. Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself. After a rain I find bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water I have dripping on rocks near their hives. this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot in an area in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal. i don't know if it is salts, or something else that they are after because they have clean water just 30 feet away. Article 8428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: civert@compuserve.com Subject: I want to buy caucasiennes queens Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 17:43:57 GMT Reply-To: civert@compuserve.com Message-ID: <339303d4.19812223@news.compuserve.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!compuserve.com!nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com!ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8428 Apiculteur in France I want to buy caucasiennes queens of a producer in russie or georgie ....which price ?, and delai ? """"""""""""""""""""""""""""" Claude IVERT Page Apicole http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/civert Article 8429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Looks For Books... Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 21:25:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <33937282.D2C19E4A@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) To: Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8429 Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow wrote: > Hi! We have three acres of land and would like to keep bees for the > purpose of enjoying them as well as for making a little honey. Can > someone > please recommend a couple of good starter books? We live in > Wisconsin...if > that matters for the type of bees, or hive, or whatever. Thanks very > much > for your help. as a fellow newbie [also on 3 acres, but in new hampshire], i'll recommend 'Beekeeping A Practical Guide' by Richard Bonney, Garden Way Publishing, 1993. ISBN0-88266-861-7 it's geared strickly for the beginning beekeeper and is very easy reading [you can do it in a day], as well as very informative. also, it's only 17 bucks in paperback, which doesn't hurt. btw, i'm keeping buckfast hybrids, supposedly good producers, mellow, and hardy [most important up here]. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player xgreenros@medicalmedia.com [work] [drop the 'x'] xbill.greenrose@valley.net [home] [drop the 'x'] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie question and advice Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 22:23:06 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 100 Message-ID: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8430 greetings, background: i've just started my first hive and am already hooked big time. after my first two years up here in new hampshire [transplanted from new jersey], and two disappointing blackberry/black raspberry harvests from the zillion bushes on my property, i finally realized the source of the problem: no bees [correction, no honey bees]. i remembered reading about the mite problem a few years ago, but it really hit home, once i had some property and experienced the impact first hand [and realized it wasn't limited to just my little plot of land]. having wanted to try my hand at beekeeping for years [even as a kid, i remember reading the copy in the back of the burpee catalog on bees and equipment and dreaming.], i decided to try and make a difference, albeit a small one. watching the bees do their thing [a fascinating pastime in itself], i know i've done the right thing. advice for other newbies: find a beekeeper! talk with him/her; if you can, work with him/her! i started late this year [work getting in the way of life.], and i was fortunate to find beekeepers only 2 hours away [bev and ted stanier of mountain harvest in madison, nh], who were willing to sell me a nuc. i went over this past sunday to pick it up. well, we had to make it, first. i'm telling you, i learned more in those couple of hours that i spent with bev and ted than i could have learned in a year of reading. not that reading isn't important. but, working side by side with an expert is the BEST way to do it, if you can. ted patiently explained everything to me, pointed out all the characteristics of bee development from egg to adult, had me handle the frames as we scoured the hive for the best ones, explained the queen's egg laying pattern, in short, he really showed me the ropes. and by actually working in the hive like that, i was able to experience first had how non-aggressive domestic honey bees really are. [and sunday was rainy and dreary, not good weather for disturbing a colony.] if you move carefully and purposefully, and don't hassle them any more than necessary, then they pretty much leave you alone. now, while i'm exhilarated at the thought of working my own hive, i'm not afraid of my bees [but i do respect them]. if you read this ted, thank you very, very much. thanks to ya'll: i'd like to thank everyone who posts to this newsgroup. i learned an awful lot from just reading the answers posted here by the experts, both pros and hobbyists. and thanks to everyone who's put so much information on the web. i was amazed at the number of hits i got, when i did my first search for 'beekeeping.' it's really what the net's all about. my question: ok. i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier. ted put screened vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard under a lean-to, to protect it from the elements. judging by the amazing number of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the colony seems to be doing very well. i just received my hive in the mail today. it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks. if you're not familiar with it, it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics the first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked the concepts behind it's design.] anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the colony to the new hive later this week. the hive comes with a transfer plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a timing thing.] i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box over it. then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can put the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking her from returning to the nuc. then, after a few weeks, once all the brood in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a normal hive. i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the hive, so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen. my question(s) is(are): does this sound like a good idea? does anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general? for the record, i'm not planning to take any honey from the hive this year, as i know it's off to a late start [although the season is starting really late up here. trees are not even fully in leaf, yet, and the blackberry bushes are not in bloom, either. had frost early last week, and it going to get down to around 40 tonight.] i'll be feeding them as much as they'll take all season. on the plus side, this is a really strong nuc [not that i'm any kind of expert, but as ted showed me, it has plenty of brood, and he gave me a LOT of bees. these are buckfast hybrids.] sorry for the wordy post, but thought i'd say everything once. thanks in advance for any and all help. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player xgreenros@medicalmedia.com [work] [remove the 'x'] xbill.greenrose@valley.net [home] [remove the 'x'] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.demon.co.uk!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coop Flying Queens Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:47:03 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk [194.222.48.209] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.00 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8431 In article <19970602104101.GAA14334@ladder02.news.aol.com>, DncMcCloud writes >I have two hives which have been queenless for over one month. I have >introduced new eggs and uncapped brood on two occasions with no success. I guess this means no queen cells were raised and suggests you may not be queenless. Here in Southern Britain we get dry weather (yup!) and no nectar flow which stops the queens laying. The absence of eggs and brood tricks you into thinking the colony is queenless and giving young brood will have no effect. Unless you have evidence to the contrary I suggest you feed the colonies well with syrup and see if it brings the queens into lay, as so far you have not proved the queens have 'flown the coop'. Stored honey is not the same as a nectar flow and its presence will not keep the colony building in the absence of some income, a bit like you and I, relucant to draw money out of the bank when there's no salary coming to replace it. -- Dave Black , Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. Article 8432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.demon.co.uk!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping in Ghana Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:13:43 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Distribution: world Message-ID: <3Aj$PJAX5+kzEwTP@tfbplc.co.uk> References: <01bc6de3$c2182fa0$4191f1c3@bnscheff> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk [194.222.48.209] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.00 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8432 In article <01bc6de3$c2182fa0$4191f1c3@bnscheff>, bouke scheffer writes >There is a posibility for me to participate in a beekeeping project in >Ghana I am searching for any information >about beekeeping in Africa and specialy in Ghana. >Please inform me! Please contact Bees for Development by email <100410.2631@compuserve.com> or from my (and their) web page (beekeeping information section). They are experts in the field. -- Dave Black , Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. Article 8433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Earl Woods Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raising Queen Bees Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:39:40 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-ID: <339367CB.3DE1@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sav-ga2-11.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 7:53:24 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8433 I am looking for a book entitled, Raising Queen Bees. I understand it is no longer in print. Does anyone know where I might find a copy of this book? Article 8434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractors/Food grade materials Date: 3 Jun 1997 03:02:00 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc6fca$88260040$4c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 8:02:00 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8434 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote in article <865276491.3812@dejanews.com>... > I'd like to put together my own extractor, and I'm wondering about > materials to use. Obviously stainless steel and food grade pastic are > best, but what about other grades of steel? Can steel be safely used in > contact with honey, if it is kept clean and rust-free? Galvanized steel was widely used making extractors. Many of these extractors are still in use today. They simply need to be coated with a food grade "epoxy" - one being called "CamCote" - likely there are others. I would presume steel would need to be coated as well even if for no other reason than to prevent rust (since you gotta clean the extractor ya know). > On a related note, what is the pH of honey? ". . . honey generally has a pH ranging from about 3.2 to 4.5, averaging about 3.9, which is in the range of weak vinegar." pg. 878, "The Hive and the Honey Bee" 1992 revised edition (this particular chapter entitled "Honey" was written by Jonathan W. White, Jr., Ph.D. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: 3 Jun 1997 04:10:10 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01bc6fd4$0d806740$4c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 9:10:10 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8435 bill greenrose wrote in article <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net>... > my question: > > ok. i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier. ted put screened > vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard under a > lean-to, to protect it from the elements. judging by the amazing number > of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the colony > seems to be doing very well. i just received my hive in the mail > today. it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks. if you're not familiar with it, > it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly > different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics the > first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked the > concepts behind it's design.] anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the > colony to the new hive later this week. the hive comes with a transfer > plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i > know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a timing > thing.] i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super > [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box > over it. then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can put > the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking her > from returning to the nuc. then, after a few weeks, once all the brood > in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a > normal hive. i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the hive, > so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen. > > my question(s) is(are): does this sound like a good idea? does > anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general? Sounds workable Bill so long as you also preclude the queen from being able to move down into the available open space around the cardboard nuc box. Bees will tend to make their own free hanging comb lotsa times when given the choice - so don't give 'em the choice. And who knows you might get some honey for yourself too. A nuc is equivalent to a package started a month earlier. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 3 Jun 1997 13:03:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5n14n4$arc$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> <01bc6a9b$1fe35ac0$308cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6ba0$70a78f20$7c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6cfd$839d96c0$218cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8436 In article <01bc6cfd$839d96c0$218cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, Jack Griffes wrote: > >From this initial phase of the experiment it appears that >sending either 10 or 11 day cells (counted from graft date) >"Overnight Mail" for installation within 24 hours from the >time we pull them out of incubator (hive or electric) - thus >here that means about 2:30pm since our Post Office truck >comes at roughly 4pm and missing the pick-up would leave >the cells setting there for another 24 hours. (ed) >Thus the timing would have to be such that the beekeeper >had the ability on arrival date to plant the cells immediately >on arrival (or at least put them in a incubator on his/her end >to hold them for planting later that day). Good work! Nice information to have. >Next phase (when we have another 50-60 extra cells) will >consist of actually shipping without any temperature >regulation both 10 & 11 day cells. They will be shipped >from a nearby Post Office that is not our own (to insure >they actually get put through the system). Thanks for the effort-- Once you ger the results from this, someone else, maybe, would replicate the experiment and see how the results came out. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial1.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Date: 3 Jun 97 16:51:19 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bc703e$419e2de0$2980a19d@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8437 Ted Park schrieb im Beitrag ... > What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. > There is one group of chemicals that bees are known to actively search for and find at up to a mile ore farther: sugar in any form, especially in the form of honey! Now you please tell this NG how it was exactly when you've last sprinkled sweet substances into your hot tub or onto any bather and to what avail. francis PS: Bees also require a constant supply of plain water which they carry to the nest for diluting honey and for air-conditioning. Article 8438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial2.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractors/Food grade materials Date: 3 Jun 97 17:24:51 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bc7042$f124bb40$2a80a19d@default> References: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8438 k-jones@ee.utah.edu schrieb im Beitrag <865276491.3812@dejanews.com>... > On a related note, what is the pH of honey? Just have this to add: The acidity of honey, on average is between 0.1 to 0.4 % (calculated as the amount of malic acid). Honey has pH 3.3 to 4.6 (nectar from flowers) and up to pH 5.5 (nectar from honey-dew). Article 8439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.30!imp.ch!tisdial1.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractors/Food grade materials Date: 3 Jun 97 17:10:54 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bc7040$fe146aa0$2980a19d@default> References: <865276491.3812@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8439 k-jones@ee.utah.edu schrieb im Beitrag <865276491.3812@dejanews.com>... > Can steel be safely used in contact with honey, if it is kept clean and rust-free? > > On a related note, what is the pH of honey? The acidity of honey is determined by titration: it is typically 0.1 to 0.4 %. Acidity higher than 0.4 % may be indicative of unwanted fermentation! Materials which are safe for keeping honey are, e.g., glass, stoneware, aluminum, food-grade plastic, and stainless steel. Galvanized steel or steel are corroded by honey and impart an elevated content of these metals which may be detected chemically. In Germany, galvanized steel is not legal for use in honey-containers. francis Article 8440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Sky is Falling? Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706031705251902@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8440 The Sky is Falling, all the honeybees are DDD, dead, diseased, or dying, so says the press releases with quotes from the best academic minds, all doctorates in entomology or beekeeping and all feeding on the problems of the beekeepers at the public trough. For sure we beekeepers are not strangers to problems and like all in agriculture our numbers have declined since the 1940's, 50's, 60's or what ever base year you want to examine. But we are not gone yet and in fact all this hype is nothing more then that. Crops are not suffering from the lack of honeybees to pollinate them, though some would lie, steal and cheat to create that opinion in the public mind to further their own interests...and sadly many beekeepers are followers and do much among themselves to perpetuate the untruths and half truths of the condition of the honeybee industry. Our industry has always been plagued by cyclic problems in the health of our bees and these are well documented for any to review so I won't bother listing them as is the beekeeper movement west and north to better pastures. Half truths and untruths are hard to take to the bank, and today beekeepers and farmers who depend on their bees to produce bountiful crops are making more trips to the bank, and not always to take away money.. The almond industry in California last year had a BILLION $$$ crop, and this years crop is estimated to bee 39% larger, and many of us in the field believe that it is much grater then the estimates, but 710,000,000 pounds of almonds is a pile of almonds and of course this means they will be less costly to the consumer and more of us will be able to enjoy them in more ways for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The total acreage of almonds in California continues to grow along with some other insect pollinated crops. According to the latest results just released of the 1996 Acreage Survey there were 466,777 acres of almonds growing and in 1997 420,000 of these acres were bearing. No problems have been reported to this reporter of ANY shortage of bees to pollinate these acres, and considering the size of the crop beekeepers should be congratulated for doing a excellent job of distributing their bees to the almond growers for pollination. Growers continue to believe in the future of the beekeeping industries ability to deliver honeybees for pollination and new planting continue at levels that tax the ability of the nurserymen to produce new trees..NO almond growers are rushing out to buy their own bees as bees and beekeepers are in good supply and are providing good bees for pollination at a reasonable cost. Prune's continue to increase in acreage having 100% been replaced by industry and homes in the Santa Clara valley they now are found in the northern interior central valley and the acreage has expanded to 102,726 in 1996 with 22,504 acres of young non bearing orchards, much grater then the old days when San Jose was the prune capital.. In 1996 California also had 34,000 acres of bearing apples, 12,900 bearing cherries, 19,100 bearing Bartlett pears, 25,000 acres of strawberries, and all of these insect and honeybee pollinated crops are reported as NOT suffering from any lack of pollination, mostly honeybee pollination. The facts are keeping bees is a lot of work, problems can be found by any who wants to concentrate their efforts on looking, but the beekeepers don't have time for that and its so pathetic these annual re-runs of the beekeeping industries obituary each year from the academic and regulatory community it's laughable, and they wonder why the industry gives them, the academics and others, less then token support...., no one likes to read half truths and lies about themselves, and these professionals are the experts.. ttul, the OLd Drone 6397 (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Barbs has it, like a bee. Article 8441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:32:52 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 76 Message-ID: <3394B7B4.D64F9D5C@valley.net> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v3-p-143.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8441 --------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > well, i got my answer. i called david e. [the d.e. of d.e. hive] at > bee works and he advised against my plan, as i would end up with burr > comb all over the open box that contained the nuc carrier. he > suggested that i build a frame to supprt the hive and snug the carrier > up underneath it, aligning a hole in the top of the carrier with the > hole in the transfer plate that comes with the d.e. hive. with a snug > fit, the bees will only move up into the new hive. of course, they'll > still have their regular opening in the carrier, which i'll keep in > place under the hive, until all the brood in it has hatched. if anyone is interested, i'll post the results of this 'exercise.' > bill > > ######################################## > > don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 -- ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
well, i got my answer.  i called david e. [the d.e. of d.e. hive] at bee works and he advised against my plan, as i would end up with burr comb all over the open box that contained the nuc carrier.  he suggested that i build a frame to supprt the hive and snug the carrier up underneath it, aligning a hole in the top of the carrier with the hole in the transfer plate that comes with the d.e. hive.  with a snug fit, the bees will only move up into the new hive.  of course, they'll still have their regular opening in the carrier, which i'll keep in place under the hive, until all the brood in it has hatched.
if anyone is interested, i'll post the results of this 'exercise.'
bill

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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------A82E477EFE5B7D192917C617-- Article 8442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.midusa.net!postmaster From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information dealing with donations. Date: 4 Jun 1997 02:42:32 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5n2kmo$ec61@news.midusa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.155.72.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8442 Hello to all the beekeepers trapped at their computers. I was wondering if any one had any information on donations. I am president of a local beekeepers club, Ark-La-Tex Beekeepers Club, located in Shreveport, La. We had such a abundant honey crop this year that our club is looking into the possibility of contributing an amount of the honey sales to some research group. You can either e-mail me with the information or just post it straight to this group for others to read. Article 8443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for beewax, pure beewax, to manufacture some Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706031705251901@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8443 ---------------------------------------- From: barro%mail.intermex.com.mx@dns1.intermex.com.mx (Familia Barragan Robles) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:36:02 -0500 Subject: beewax I am looking for beewax, pure beewax, to manufacture some products. If you know where is, please tell me. Tanks. Dr. Guillermo Barrag=E0n. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 8444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Rick_Dan" Subject: Queen bee Breeding Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bc70d2$2cf49200$223f868b@pgyfobac> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.63.34 Date: 4 Jun 97 11:37:09 GMT Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!139.134.5.33! Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8444 My family is involved in Honey production in Australia (Tasmania) and we are hoping to find a way to control the breeding of queens. Does anyone know if it is possible to perform artificial insemination of queen bees or control the mating process at all. We are hoping to modify the queens through selective breeding to generate better quality queens and thus improve the honey production of hives. Any info or reference to any published matter on this topic would be appreciated. Thanks .. You can email me at : Rick_Dan@bigpond.com Article 8450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!tpark From: tpark@world.std.com (Ted Park) Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <01bc703e$419e2de0$2980a19d@default> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:40:25 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8450 Thanks for the information about bees and why they may be interested in the hot tub. We had tried putting some sweet stuff out for them, and it appears as though they were uninterested in sugar. The hot tub cover had been sprayed off with water in an attempt to get rid of whatever the bees were interested in. I'll try and put some trays of diluted salts out for them as well. --Ted. -- --------------------------------------------- Ted Park tpark@world.std.com also tpark@canuck.com On the web as Ted's Home Page Article 8451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:07:02 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 200 Message-ID: <33961F46.535C552F@valley.net> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> <01bc6fd4$0d806740$4c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8451 --------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack Griffes wrote: > bill greenrose wrote in article > <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net>... > > my question: > > > > ok. i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier. ted put screened > > vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard > under a > > lean-to, to protect it from the elements. judging by the amazing > number > > of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the > colony > > seems to be doing very well. i just received my hive in the mail > > today. it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks. if you're not familiar with > it, > > it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly > > > different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics > the > > first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked > the > > concepts behind it's design.] anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the > > > colony to the new hive later this week. the hive comes with a > transfer > > plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i > > > know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a > timing > > thing.] i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super > > [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box > > > over it. then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can > put > > the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking > her > > from returning to the nuc. then, after a few weeks, once all the > brood > > in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a > > normal hive. i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the > hive, > > so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen. > > > > my question(s) is(are): does this sound like a good idea? does > > anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general? > > Sounds workable Bill so long as you also preclude the queen from being > able > to move down into the available open space around the cardboard nuc > box. > Bees will tend to make their own free hanging comb lotsa times when > given > the choice - so don't give 'em the choice. > > And who knows you might get some honey for yourself too. A nuc is > equivalent to a package started a month earlier. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Country Jack's Honeybee Farm > Honeybee Improvement Program > Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 > USA > Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested > the > following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. > e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com thanks for the advice, jack. that's what david eyre [as in d.e. hive] told me, too. i'm modifying my plan accordingly. it's also encouraging to read your comment about the potential for some honey. if it happens, it'll be a 'sweet' bonus. i'm just so happy to see honey bees flying around, again, that it's all the payback i need. does anybody else find themselves just standing there, watching their bees coming and going from the hive? to quote a pointy eared hero from my younger days, 'Fascinating.' btw, great website. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack Griffes wrote:

bill greenrose <bill.greenrose@valley.net> wrote in article
<33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net>...
> my question:
>
> ok.  i have a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier.  ted put screened
> vents top and front for airflow, and it's sitting out in my yard under a
> lean-to, to protect it from the elements.  judging by the amazing number
> of bees working the dandelion field that used to be my lawn, the colony
> seems to be doing very well.  i just received my hive in the mail
> today.  it's a D.E. hive from BeeWorks.  if you're not familiar with it,
> it's a little different design than your standard hive with slightly
> different dimensions [i know the books say to stick with the basics the
> first time out, but i couldn't resist this hive, as i really liked the
> concepts behind it's design.]  anyway, i'll be ready to transfer the
> colony to the new hive later this week.  the hive comes with a transfer
> plate for a langstroth hive, but i only have a cardboard carrier. [i
> know i should have waited for the hive to be ready, but it was a timing
> thing.]  i was thinking that i would place the carrier in the super
> [just the carrier, no additional frames] and then place the deep box
> over it.  then, after the queen moves up into the deep box, i can put
> the queen excluder between it and the super, effectively blocking her
> from returning to the nuc.  then, after a few weeks, once all the brood
> in the super/nuc have matured, i can remove the super and, voile, a
> normal hive.  i figure i can then place the nuc frames outside the hive,
> so the bees can clean out any residual honey and pollen.
>
> my question(s)  is(are):  does this sound like a good idea?  does
> anybody have any better ideas, or advice in general?

Sounds workable Bill so long as you also preclude the queen from being able
to move down into the available open space around the cardboard nuc box.
Bees will tend to make their own free hanging comb lotsa times when given
the  choice - so don't give 'em the choice.

And who knows you might get some honey for yourself too.  A nuc is
equivalent to a package started a month earlier.

--
Jack  Griffes
Country Jack's Honeybee Farm
Honeybee Improvement Program
Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes
Ottawa Lake, MI 49267
USA
Web site  http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/
Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the
following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address.
e-mail:   Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com

 thanks for the advice, jack.  that's what david eyre [as in d.e. hive] told me, too.  i'm modifying my plan accordingly.  it's also encouraging to read your comment about the potential for some honey.  if it happens, it'll be a 'sweet' bonus.  i'm just so happy to see honey bees flying around, again, that it's all the payback i need.  does anybody else find themselves just standing there, watching their bees coming and going from the hive?  to quote a pointy eared hero from my younger days, 'Fascinating.'

btw, great website.

bill
 
########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------F86AE1081DF134B2DDDF12EB-- Article 8452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question and advice Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:16:20 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 92 Message-ID: <33962174.463EBD5@valley.net> References: <33938009.B91B6B1D@valley.net> <19970604153600.LAA29558@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8452 --------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QueenB Jan wrote: > There are a couple of web sites that might be helpful to the newbie. > They > are: > > Practical Pollination Home Page: > http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > ...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food > http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm > > Janice Green > > The best thing about the internet is that you don't have to be either > filthy rich or politically correct to express your opinion. > Intelligence > speaks for itself. thank you for the web references. i actually checked them out, when i did my initial research. in fact, the pic of the properly pollinated vs. underpollinated raspberry confirmed my hypothesis that my disappointing raspberry crops were due to poor pollination. most of mine looked EXACTLY like the underpollinated example. the season's are running very late up here this year, and my bushes are at least a week away from blooming. i can't wait to see what the berries look like this summer. better yet, i can't wait to taste them! thanks for the info! bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QueenB Jan wrote:

There are a couple of web sites that might be helpful to the newbie.  They
are:

Practical Pollination Home Page:
http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html

...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food
http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm

Janice Green

The best thing about the internet is that you don't have to be either
filthy rich or politically correct to express your opinion.  Intelligence
speaks for itself.

thank you for the web references.  i actually checked them out, when i did my initial research.  in fact, the pic of the properly pollinated vs. underpollinated raspberry confirmed my hypothesis that my disappointing raspberry crops were due to poor pollination.  most of mine looked EXACTLY like the underpollinated example.

the season's are running very late up here this year, and my bushes are at least a week away from blooming.  i can't wait to see what the berries look like this summer.  better yet, i can't wait to taste them!

thanks for the info!

bill

########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------C6F55904A9CBB1A50445E387-- Article 8453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 21:55:58 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 138 Message-ID: <33961CAE.A6967737@valley.net> References: <339348B4.781F@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8453 --------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Welk wrote: > Ted Park wrote: > > > > Greetings bee experts; > > > > I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a > > > home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are > attracted > > to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that > > > land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation > which > > occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub > > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a nest close > > > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub. > > > > Just curious, > > > > --Ted. > > -- > > --------------------------------------------- > > Ted Park tpark@world.std.com > > also tpark@canuck.com > > On the web as Ted's Home Page > > Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse. You can try > puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees to get > at. > Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself. After a rain I > find > bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water I have > dripping on rocks near their hives. > this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot in an area > > in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal. i don't know if > it > is salts, or something else that they are after because they have > clean > water just 30 feet away. several years ago i saw a special on tv that showed butterflies 'drinking' water from along the edges of evaporating pools, where the salt content was much higher. can't remember what salt or other compound they were attracted to, but if butterflies seek it out, then i can see where other insects, like bees, might do something similar. salt is a lot rarer to come by for the rest of the animal kingdom than it is for most modern human animals [remember your ancient history class where they talked about salt as a currency?]. since urine contains a lot of salts, that might substitute in a pinch. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Welk wrote:

Ted Park wrote:
>
> Greetings bee experts;
>
> I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a
> home with a hot tub.   There seem to be a some bees that are attracted
> to the hot tub  - during the day there seem to be 10 or so bees that
> land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the condensation which
> occurs there.  What causes this? Is there something in the hot tub
> chemicals that bees require?   There doesn't seem to be a nest close
> by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to the tub.
>
> Just curious,
>
> --Ted.
> --
> ---------------------------------------------
> Ted Park                     tpark@world.std.com
> also <A HREF="mailto:tpark@canuck.com"> tpark@canuck.com </A>
> On the web as <A HREF="http://www.beer.org/~tpark/"> Ted's Home Page </A>
Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse.  You can try
puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees to get at.
Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself.  After a rain I find
bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water I have
dripping on rocks near their hives.
this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot in an area
in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal.  i don't know if it
is salts, or something else that they are after because they have clean
water just 30 feet away.
several years ago i saw a special on tv that showed butterflies 'drinking' water from along the edges of evaporating pools, where the salt content was much higher.  can't remember what salt or other compound they were attracted to, but if butterflies seek it out, then i can see where other insects, like bees, might do something similar.  salt is a lot rarer to come by for the rest of the animal kingdom than it is for most modern human animals [remember your ancient history class where they talked about salt as a currency?].  since urine contains a lot of salts, that might substitute in a pinch.

bill

########################################

don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player

greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 --------------20B647D6C93985DF39E65151-- Article 8454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good news about failing hive Date: 5 Jun 1997 00:15:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bc7145$a90fd340$666ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33957FBA.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-38.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 04 5:15:41 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8454 Glad to hear this Randy - some bees just don't care for syrup so I wouldn't worry on that point. Look at actual performance and don't sweat the other stuff. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail From: rohara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive bodies glued together Date: 5 Jun 1997 02:05:20 GMT Organization: MegsInet, Inc. - Midwestern Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-2-23.stratos.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8455 Hello all and thanks for reading this, I recently purchased a two story hive that had been abandoned for a couple of years. The colony had just swarmed and it was a big one , four maybe five pounds of bees. They were hived by an experienced beekeeper and he in turn sold the two story hive to me. I put a medium super with drawn comb on top of the hive on the advice that they might swarm again. One problem is that I cannot get the lower hive bodies apart to do an inspection. Should I even bother disturbing them until they make a new queen? How long does this usually take? The two hives were very heavy. When I pry the upper story the lower frames come with it. Any tips or hints? Thanks again Rob O'Hara Article 8456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive bodies glued together Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:10:53 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8456 In article <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net>, rohara writes >Hello all and thanks for reading this, > I recently purchased a two story hive that had been abandoned for a >couple of years.One problem is that I cannot get the lower hive bodies apart to do an >inspection. Should I even bother disturbing them until they make a new >queen? How long does this usually take? I'd leave them alone until the start of next season, when they will almost certainly only be in one of the boxes - probably the top one - then you will have a much easier job, many fewer bees flying round annoyed, and the Q probably well out of harm's way. I would anyway strongly recommend not disturbing a swarm for at least three weeks, except perhaps to feed if necessary - perhaps not needed in this case. Good luck -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 8457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsin.iconnet.net!news.inc.net!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!dlipscom From: "--={(-).(-)}=--" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee impact Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:40:27 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8457 Of all the the pollinators, what percent of pollination is done by bees? Article 8458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive bodies glued together Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 23:11:17 +0000 Organization: Birkey.Com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3395F615.4292@birkey.com> References: <5n56t0$rij$1@news.megsinet.net> Reply-To: barry@birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-38.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8458 rohara wrote: > When I pry the upper story the lower frames come with it. Any tips or > hints? > Thanks again Rob O'Hara Rob - Instead of trying to lift the 2nd hive body straight up off the bottom, crack to two apart and then rotate the top one off as this will break the burr comb between the two chambers without pulling your frames up. Or you can lift one end of the second chamber just enough to get your hive tool in and pry the frames back down. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 8459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen bee Breeding Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:12:04 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <01bc70d2$2cf49200$223f868b@pgyfobac> <01bc712d$21087280$238cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8459 In article <01bc712d$21087280$238cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> "Jack Griffes" writes: >From: "Jack Griffes" >Subject: Re: Queen bee Breeding >Date: 4 Jun 1997 21:20:09 GMT >Rick_Dan wrote in article ><01bc70d2$2cf49200$223f868b@pgyfobac>... >> My family is involved in Honey production in Australia >(Tasmania) and we >> are hoping to find a way to control the breeding of queens. >> >> Does anyone know if it is possible to perform artificial >insemination of >> queen bees or control the mating process at all. We are hoping >to modify >> the queens through selective breeding to generate better >quality queens and >> thus improve the honey production of hives. >> >> Any info or reference to any published matter on this topic >would be >> appreciated. Get a catalogue from Werner Seip Hauptstrasse 32 - 36, D 6308 Butzbach/ Ebersgöns Germany They have exelent equipment. See also Prof. Dr. Friedrich Ruttner: Die Instrumentelle Besamung der Bienenkönigin Apimondia Dr. P. Schley: Praktische Anleitung zur instrumentellen Besamung von Bienenköniginnen ISBN 3- 9800763-0-X Dr. P. Schley: Einführung in die Technik der instrumentellen Besamung von Bienenköniginnen You may have the last two books from Seip Knut Pedersen Bergen Norway Article 8460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!news-reader.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Markus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Suche Mellifica Königin ! Date: 29 May 1997 17:19:38 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bc6c50$240dd100$1dab9bc1@default> Reply-To: mmarb@s-direktnet.de NNTP-Posting-Host: host244.seitz.net Keywords: Germany Only ! X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8460 Hallo Imker & Bienenzüchter ! Ich suche nach der Bienenrasse Mellifica,wo bekomme ich die Königin dieser Rasse? Article 8461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.gte.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:26:13 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7D2F36281901B7B8.0192CF1B2BC3A288.0C4C2484075A918B@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5n6cbk$jq3@library.airnews.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-05.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8461 tpark@world.std.com (Ted Park) wrote: >Greetings bee experts; >I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just moved into a >home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that are attracted >to the hot tub I think the answer is obvious....they're looking for the PARTY! Where there's a hot tub - there's bound to bee a party near by..... Article 8462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how fast should bees draw out comb? Date: 5 Jun 1997 16:45:45 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970605164500.MAA21526@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3396D24A.6096@polisci.tamu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8462 Is it not time to buy a basic bee keeping book? Just don't let the feeder run dry and they take up warm syrup faster than cold- a gallon every other day or so for fast drawing in a poppulous hive much slower in a start up. With that in mind don't put so much syrup that it ferments before the bees take it up. Article 8463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 265 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8463 FYI* This message was from Allen Dick ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Dick Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:44:51 -0600 Subject: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Organization: The Beekeepers Dr Rodriguez attempted to post this to BEE-L last week, and to my knowledge, it has not been forwarded by the LISTSERV, so I gather he is one of those having trouble posting. Therefore he has asked me to send it along to the list. Here is Dr Pedro Rodriguez's release regarding his mineral oil research: --- Bee Mites And Mineral Oil I wish to apologize for the delay in publication of details of my work on this subject. The reasons are unintentional and compelling. There were many questions that I felt needed to be answered (some of which I am still pursuing) and because I suffer from double vision (from a bout with hyperthyroidism) that induces severe headaches after periods of field work, reading, use of word processor and other tasks that require eye strain. Although the project is incomplete, I feel that my findings are significant and valuable to beekeepers who may wish to implement them. Also, my findings may be valuable to other investigators who may wish to perform related work on this subject. Hence release of present findings is considered appro- priate at this stage. (Technical language and statistical data has been carefully limited). Background: Born and raised on a farm, I was initiated with animal husbandry chores as a very young child. I started caring for sick animals by smuggling them into pens heavily crowded by my "patients." I still recall my parents' admonitions for "wasting" time and money on "worthless" causes, especially my mother's for using her castor oil to treat leg mites on chickens and ear mites on rabbits. My experience with mineral oil continued when as a young veterinarian I used mineral oil for treating ear mites on cats. Later in my career, mineral oil became part of my professional "tool bag" when as a government supervisor of food plants, I approved the use of food grade mineral oil for maintenance of food preparation equipment. I observed the first Varroa mites in 1983 while working with honey bees in Spain. From that date, I became fascinated with the ability of the little creatures for attacking honey bee colonies and eventually destroying them. At the time, Fulvex was the chemical of choice in Europe for treatment and cure of bee mites. I suspected mites would eventually develop re- sistance to Fulvex as most often happens with chemicals used for disease control, fact that was later corroborated by other investigators (Faucon et al, 1955; Lodesani et al, 1955; Smodgen et al, 1955). The potential need for a different agent to treat bee mites in case the mites develop resistance, led me to wonder if my "oil treatment of old" would be as effective for the treatment of bee mites. While pondering about this possibility, many other questions arose in my mind. 1. would mineral oil affect honey bees? 2. mode, quantity and frequency of application of the oil. 3. would the oil affect bee larvae or the egg laying ability of the queen? 4. could the oil be applied all year long or be limited to seasons? 5. what would be the mechanism of action of the oil? From my previous experience, I knew that oil kills mites. I became intrigued with the idea of finding the answer to this puzzling question and started researching literature on mite biology, anatomy, physiology and other factors that could lead to the answer deriving the following data. 1. the body of the bee mites is flat, thus having a high ratio of surface volume (factor also used by Italian researchers of bee mites as expressed on a recent post to Bee-L), charac- teristic that make bee mites vulnerable to treatment with oils. 2. mites, like honey bees, breathe through spiracles. The bee/mite body size differential ratio may be utilized to attack the mites with oil without harming the bees. 3. mites utilize body pores for diffusion of gases and for moisture intake (Gary et al, 1989; Gary et al 1991b; Pugh et al 1992). A study with female mites has demonstrated that mites control gaseous exchange through adjustment of components of their respiratory system (Pugh, PJA; King, PE; Fordy MR Na: Experimental and Applied Acarology, Vol. 15, No. 2, pp 123-139, 1992). 4. mites have a short life cycle (12 days for tracheal mites and 18 days for Varroa mites) and are most vulnerable to treatment during their ectoparasitic phase. After eleven years of consecutive loses of bee colonies to mites and the economic impact that these parasites were having on apiculture worldwide, it was obvious that it was imperative to find an effective treatment for the parasites. Realizing that after continued treatment of my colonies with Apistan strips, mites continued to proliferate and that colony health and size were diminishing, I determined that a vigorous form of treatment had to be implemented. On 1 April 1996, I applied Apistan strips (three strips per colony) between frames in the brood chambers. After six weeks of treatment with Apistan, four colonies had perished and mites continued to proliferate in all remaining colonies. Based on my knowledge of success- ful treatment of mites on domestic animals, treatment was switched from Apistan to mineral oil. All the Apistan strips were removed (after waiting two weeks to allow Apistan to wear off) before starting use of mineral oil in an effort to eliminate the possibility of cross effect between the two agents. Treatment with food grade mineral oil was initiated on 1 June 1996 on twenty colonies while five colonies (randomly selected) were used as controls. Rationale: Mineral oil is effective in the treatment of mites on domestic animals. Food grade mineral oil is approved for use in food processing plants in the United States because it is not toxic and because it does not contaminate food products. Hence, mineral oil, if effective against bee mites, could be utilized for the treatment of bee mites during the entire year contrary to other acaricides that have seasonal limitations. The two species of bee mites existing in the United States (Acarapis woodi and Varroa jacobsoni) spend some of their life span on the surface of their host bee. Because of the known house keeping and grooming habits of the honey bee, it was reasoned that bees would "transfer" oil from their legs to the rest of their body and to other parts of the colony if they came in contact with oil. Food grade mineral oil does not contaminate honey or honey bee products and is not toxic to honey bees, provided that the oil is not applied in excessive quantities (see description of different methods of application employed). Twelve consecutive months of work with oil have revealed amazing (positive) results in the treatment and control of bee mites. Method: A. Laboratory work: 1. Mineral oil was applied with the tip of a prove directly to mites seen on bees. Close observation revealed that mites would drop off the bees (time was not measured). 2. Live mites were carefully collected from various colonies, placed in open glass jars and brought home. Some mites were treated with oil directly in the jars, others were carefully removed (to prevent physical harm) and placed on a glass surface coated with a film of mineral oil, or, on waxed paper or seran wrap coated with a film of mineral oil. Some mites were allowed to remain untreated in the glass jars, surviving for several days. Mites exposed to oil were observed to become motionless almost immediately, however, some remained active (lethal doses or lethal times were not evaluated) for some time. B. Field work: Several methods of application of the mineral oil have been tested in a period of time spanning 51 weeks, (1 June 1996 - 24 May 1996). 1. Sheets of waxed paper or freezer paper were coated with a film of mineral oil and placed on the bottom boards of the colonies. Dead mites were collected and counted. Yields varied between ten in a small colony to 112 in a large colony. 2. Strips of waxed paper (10 inches long x 1 1/2 inches wide) were coated with a film of mineral oil and placed between frames in the brood chambers. The number of strips varied between six and ten depending upon the size of the colonies. Coated strips of paper were replaced every two weeks while this form of application lasted. . 3. A continuous bead of mineral oil (up to 2.5 cc) spread on top bars of the frames. Evaluation of treatment: Effect of the mineral oil treatment was measured by counting mites by uncapping brood cells. Yields varied according to degree of infestation, size of the colonies and length of treatment. Initial count yielded as high as 54 infected cells per one hundred cells opened. Mite count varied between one to three per cell. Mite count per hundred brood cells uncapped dropped drastically (54 % in some colonies to four percent in others) as oil treatment continued. It was acknowledged that the procedure was labor intensive early in the process. Other avenues of treatment were sought in order to make the procedure cost effective to commercial operations dedicating special attention to varying quantities of oil applied. The most successful method was determined to be when oil was applied in a continuous bead along the surface of the top bars. At first, the amount of oil was measured and applied with a graduated eye dropper (available to any beekeeper), arriving at 2.5 cc of oil as a safe quantity (before the bees became soaked in oil). At present, oil is applied from a bottle (similar to a honey bear) with a spout with an opening of 1/16" diameter. Oil is applied steadily, along the top bars leaving a continuous line of oil measuring approximately the size of a thin noodle. In the beginning of the operation, it was thought that the oil should be sprayed on the bars or spread by hand. In the course of the applications it was determined that it is not necessary to spread the oil, the bees spread the oil as soon as they walk on it. I have now designed a board (from bakelite) that blocks the bees inside the brood chamber while the oil is applied. The board is fitted with slits that coincide with the top bars allowing application of the oil while perfectly barring the bees inside to prevent stinging and applying the oil directly to the bees. Observations: After 51 weeks utilizing food grade mineral oil in various ways the following observations have been made: 1. Food grade mineral oil can be utilized effectively to control bee mites (acaricide) with quantities ranging from a mere film applied on waxed paper and up to 2.5 cc applied on the top bars of the frames. 2. Mite count per hundred capped cells examined diminished drastically, (54 % to 4 %). 3. Application of mineral oil in the form described above has not affected the queen's laying ability. 4. All five colonies utilized as controls perished. (Test colonies were distributed in three sites at least ten miles apart and each site had control colonies). 5. Of the twenty colonies utilized for treatment with mineral oil: One absconded; two were small and died due to pilferage. Seventeen remaining colonies are thriving and building very large populations. Two colonies have two brood chambers and eight honey suppers each. Two colonies have two brood chambers and six honey suppers each. 6. Control colonies perished quickly due to a combination of factors: Parasitized bees became weak and abandoned their house keeping habits. Stores were quickly robbed. Queens stopped laying and the bees died fighting the robbers, from disease and lack of food. Nosema was observed in two of the heavily parasitized colonies. 7. The use of sheets of waxed paper smeared with oil and placed on the bottom boards was abandoned promptly because these were observed to become covered with debris thus reducing the effectiveness of the oil. Waxed paper or other impervious type paper placed on the bottom boards while treatment is taking place maybe valuable if used for the purpose of collecting and counting dead mites. 8. Capped cell exams revealed mites within drone cells as well as in worker bee cells. 9. Worker bee samples were collected, dissected and examined for tracheal mites. No tracheal mites were found during the test period. 10. Mineral oil was applied continuously every two weeks during the test period including the winter months. The use of mineral oil did not affect egg laying of the queens nor the health of the developing larvae. While it may seem that oil applications should be made more frequently (judging by the presence of mites after 51 weeks of treatment) economics tend to indicate that more frequent applications might be prohibitive. This remains as one of my questions still under study. Conclusion: Contrasted to the characteristics of other oils, lard, Apistan or menthol (used as acaricides), mineral oil seems to offer a preferable medium based on per unit cost, physical characteristics (odorless, flavorless, does not deteriorate, does not contaminate honey or bee products, can be utilized all year long) for utilization as an acaricide. Dr. Pedro Rodriguez dronebee@pilot.infi.net --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 8464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news From: edwin aguilar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb drawing out.. Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 12:49:35 -0500 Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3396FC2F.BB9@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lewie2.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 1997 17:50:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8464 Dear Beecroft, Hm.. I do ahve a basic bee book, several, but of course, one can never have enough info on these kinds of things. I didn't realize that ignorance was not allowed on the newsgroup. edwin Article 8465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news From: edwin aguilar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how fast should bees draw out comb? Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 09:50:50 -0500 Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3396D24A.6096@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lewie2.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 1997 14:51:55 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8465 Dear knowledgeable ones. I have a new hive set up.. about a onth 1/2 or so old. I have been checking on it, and it seems to be doing well, I think. Let me explain what is going on. Currently, the bees have drawn out quite well about 4 of the 10 frames. These frames have capped cells (with larvae I assuem, and honey on the outer "edges" of the frames. but, they are still making slow work onthe other frames. there is some comb building being done, but it seem,s to be slow. (I guess). Im just curios how long the process shold take? i have been feeind yummy syrup nonstop since I got them, and they seem to be eating it up just fine. The queen is definitely alive ( saaw her yesterday for coffee, syrup, and cookies). I have done the "move the drawn frames out to the outside, and move the others to the middle" thing, but it seems that the bees didnt really fall for that trick> They seem to be wrokding from one side to the other. Other question. how long between egg being plopped into cell and new happy bee emerging to do her stuff? many thanks. edwin aguilar texas A&M (yes, it's me) Article 8466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frankb@cyberstore.ca (Frank Battistolo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Visiting Switzerland Date: 5 Jun 1997 22:24:15 GMT Organization: grouptelecom customer Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5n7eaf$vtm$1@news.gt.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.14.144 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!209.17.150.3!news.axionet.com!news.gt.ca!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8466 Visiting Switzerland June30-July7,anyone who would'nt mind having a keen hobby beekeeper in to see/talk about bees. Drop me a line E-Mail. frankb@cyberstore.ca Frank Battistolo Article 8467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how fast should bees draw out comb? Date: 6 Jun 1997 00:20:09 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 64 Message-ID: <01bc720f$69e013e0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3396D24A.6096@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 05 7:20:09 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8467 edwin aguilar wrote in article <3396D24A.6096@polisci.tamu.edu>... > I have a new hive set up.. about a onth 1/2 or so old. > I have been checking on it, and it seems to be doing well, I think. > Let me explain what is going on. > > Currently, the bees have drawn out quite well about 4 of the 10 frames. > These frames have capped cells (with larvae I assuem, and honey on the > outer "edges" of the frames. but, they are still making slow work onthe > other frames. there is some comb building being done, but it seem,s to > be slow. (I guess). You are correct that they are going slow if they have been at it for 6 or so weeks and have only drawn 4 frames whilst you have been pumping the syrup to them. > Im just curios how long the process shold take? i have been feeind > yummy syrup nonstop since I got them, and they seem to be eating it up > just fine. The queen is definitely alive ( saaw her yesterday for > coffee, syrup, and cookies). I have done the "move the drawn frames out > to the outside, and move the others to the middle" thing, but it seems > that the bees didnt really fall for that trick> They seem to be > wrokding from one side to the other. Be careful you don't move frames with eggs or larvae out of the area the cluster covers. IF you did that it could explain why things are going slow. I don't know that you did do that but if you did then a whole lot of bee hours got wasted in a effort to make them work faster. > Other question. how long between egg being plopped into cell and new > happy bee emerging to do her stuff? In Apis mellifera Workers take on average (it varies) 20-21 days from egg laid to emergence Drones average 24 days Queens 15-16 days variation occurs in all castes and in cool parts of the year particularly variation occurs to to position in the brood nest -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.sgi.com!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!upei.ca!bignews.cycor.ca!ch-as40 From: ecopei@cycor.ca (Sharon Labchuk) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen collectors Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 15:19:15 GMT Organization: Environmental Coalition of PEI Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5n57n3$qm3@storm.cycor.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ch-as40.peinet.pe.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8468 We haven't been able to locate a source for 7-mesh or 5-mesh screen for use in home built pollen traps here on PEI. Does anyone know where it can be ordered? Sharon Labchuk Article 8469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!uunet!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how fast should bees draw out comb? Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:41:10 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33976AB5.A3B03E81@valley.net> References: <3396D24A.6096@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8469 edwin aguilar wrote: > Dear knowledgeable ones. > > Other question. how long between egg being plopped into cell and new > happy bee emerging to do her stuff? > > many thanks. > edwin aguilar > texas A&M > (yes, it's me) the books say about 21 days from egg to worker, 24 for drones and 16 for queens. but, i'm a newbie, too. i'm sure the pros can give you the most accurate numbers from experience. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeChat Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:44:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706051940311918@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8470 This message was from John Alexander to BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBA originally in conference BEE-LISTMAIL on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR ---------------------------------------- From: John Alexander To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:34:42 +0000 Subject: BeeChat Greetings, All beekeeping folk are invited to partake of BeeChat, an on-line real-time java based chat program set up for the benefit of the beekeeping community at large. This service is provided free of charge and is to be used only for non-commercial purposes. To use Beechat you must have the following: - 32 bit operating system (Win 95, OS/2, Unix, etc) - Java enabled web browser (Netscape/Internet Explorer) Additionally, if you are behind a firewall, you probably won't be able to connect. AOL users definitely cannot connect. I hope to have periodic guest speakers on BeeChat. For more information, e-mail beechat@widtech.com John Alexander Beltsville, MD Article 8471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!supernews.com!Supernews!Supernews!news From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TOO much sug/water? Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 17:54:04 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33975FAC.4295BAA1@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl4.midtown.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CC7C32F48A0BAC48678B8E15" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8471 --------------CC7C32F48A0BAC48678B8E15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there such a thing as feeding the gals TOO much? I was giving them the normal 1/2&1/2 sugar/water,,,,they were going through a large Mayo jar a day. I rigged up this "pet feeder" deal and it looks like they are going to clean the whole 3 liters out in one day! Does anyone know if this not a good thing,,,like will this give them little stomach aches before they go to bed? --------------CC7C32F48A0BAC48678B8E15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there such a thing as feeding the gals TOO much?  I was giving them the normal 1/2&1/2 sugar/water,,,,they were going through a large Mayo jar a day.  I rigged up this "pet feeder" deal and it looks like they are going to clean the whole 3 liters out in one day! Does anyone know if this not a good thing,,,like will this give them little stomach aches before they go to bed? --------------CC7C32F48A0BAC48678B8E15-- Article 8472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use of correcting fliud for Q Marking. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:53:32 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8472 Last year in the 'Cumbria Bee Times' a newsletter for Cumbrian beekeepers, John Skinner wrote: USE OF'TIPPEX' FOR QUEEN MARKING For many years I have been using 'Tippex' typing correction fluid for marking queens without any problems - the bottle contains its own little brush and is quick and easy to use. Recently I bought some more, in a pleasing shade of pale blue, and was horrified to find that the queens were agitated by it, as were the bees which immediately hassled and balled the queen on releasing it from the marking cage. I lost two good new queens this year as a direct result. On looking at the bottle I realised that the formula has been changed. The original version contained (I believe) tri-chlor-ethylene as a solvent (and bottles of thinners used to be sold to go with it). The bees did not seem to mind a at all. The current version does not use this solvent and does not require thinning; the bees object to it strongly. So now it is back to the drawing board for queen marking paint - perhaps I should have stuck to model aeroplane dope, cellulose car paints of red nail varnish as used in the olden days. Obviously John uses the colours, whereas I, being colour blind, mark all my queens white. Today I marked a new seasons queen with exactly the same results as John. There were only two other bees left in the cage, but they went for her as soon as she was replaced. Fortunately, I was watching to see what happened and did manage to rescue her. Is it just Tippex, or have all correction fluids changed? I would be interested to know if anyone else had the same problems. Regards -- Tom S Article 8474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of correcting fliud for Q Marking. Date: 6 Jun 1997 11:48:44 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 73 Message-ID: <01bc726f$9adad420$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 06 6:48:44 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8474 Tom Speight wrote in article ... > For many years I have been using 'Tippex' typing correction fluid for > marking queens without any problems - the bottle contains its own little > brush and is quick and easy to use. > > Recently I bought some more, in a pleasing shade of pale blue, and > was horrified to find that the queens were agitated by it, as were the > bees which immediately hassled and balled the queen on releasing it from > the marking cage. I lost two good new queens this year as a direct > result. > On looking at the bottle I realised that the formula has been > changed. The original version contained (I believe) tri-chlor-ethylene > as a solvent (and bottles of thinners used to be sold to go with it). > The bees did not seem to mind a at all. The current version does not use > this solvent and does not require thinning; the bees object to it > strongly. > So now it is back to the drawing board for queen marking paint - > perhaps I should have stuck to model aeroplane dope, cellulose car > paints of red nail varnish as used in the olden days. > > Is it just Tippex, or have all correction fluids changed? > I would be interested to know if anyone else had the same problems. Howdy Tom et al, Certain solvents will alarm the bees and cause get the queens killed or seriously injured as per your unfortunate recent experience. At the recomendation of Susan Cobey (AI expert at Ohio State University - breeder of New World Carniolan bees) we started using oil based paint pens for queen marking (we also use them to mark newly emerged drones so we KNOW for certain what colony they came from come time to use them for AI. These pens come in different colors and we release the queens straight back onto comb - the bees look them over as they do anytime you handle them but do not attack them. Nor does the queen act agitated - she likely runs to get away from you for a fraction of a second upon release but soon stops and submits to grooming by her attendants. These paint pens come in oil or water base. We have used the oil base ones at Susan Cobey's direction that the marks last longer (sticks to queen better). Hope this helps and sorry to her of your friends misfortune, -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TOO much sug/water? Date: 6 Jun 1997 11:52:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01bc7270$32019780$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33975FAC.4295BAA1@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 06 6:52:56 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8475 TiPnRiNg wrote in article <33975FAC.4295BAA1@midtown.net>... > Is there such a thing as feeding the gals TOO much? I was giving them > the normal 1/2&1/2 sugar/water,,,,they were going through a large Mayo > jar a day. I rigged up this "pet feeder" deal and it looks like they > are going to clean the whole 3 liters out in one day! Does anyone know > if this not a good thing,,,like will this give them little stomach aches > before they go to bed? > When feeding is needed you want to feed liberally and as fast as possible. Normally when nectar is available in adequate quantity the bees "turn up their noses" at the syrup and will hardly touch it IF they will even use it at all. Please be certain to insure you do not contaminate your honey with sugar syrup - this would be adulteration of the honey and results in a inferior product that is not truly "honey" despite being stored by the bees. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!garion.telecom.at!news-admin@telecom.at From: "Carlos Mendes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: WANTED: manufacturer of herbicide DIPHENATRIL (else crubfree). Any information, pleace! Date: 6 Jun 1997 16:07:27 GMT Organization: Impa Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bc7293$7bc50640$832e76c2@gateway> References: <337BCF9A.73B9@diginat.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.118.46.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8476 sci.agriculture.fruit:860 sci.agriculture.poultry:2846 sci.agriculture.ratites:830 hom schrieb im Beitrag <337BCF9A.73B9@diginat.com>... > > Article 8477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.232.174.12!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!news3.his.com!usenet From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeChat Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 17:21:34 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <33987F5E.4473@widtech.com> Reply-To: jdalexa@widtech.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8477 Greetings All, I would like to invite one and all to visit BeeChat, a free service to the beekeeping community. BeeChat is a real-time online java applet which will allow a group of people to enjoy a chat room forum. To use BeeChat, you will need the following: - a 32 bit operating system (Win95, OS/2, Unix, etc) - a Java enabled web browser (Netscape, Internet Explorer) additionally AOL users and others behind firewalls most likely will not be able to connect to the chat applet. To enter BeeChat, point your browser to: http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ Click on the SneakerChat button and fill the information box when it appears. Watch the BeeChat page for guest speaker announcements in the near future. John Alexander Beltsville, MD jdalexa@widtech.com Article 8478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dshinn@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 21:33:54 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3398E4B2.5298@hotmail.com> References: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> <338dc2d6.10534167@news.netside.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-as5s55.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 6 Jun 1997 22:39:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8478 John K. Warsaw wrote: > > I lift out frames with a frame lifter! It grabs the frames by the top > bar and allows me to pull straight up. It also holds tightly enough > to let me turn the frames around for inspection. These tools are > widely available in stores or by mail. > > I also use a special hive tool that is flat, with a J shape and a > notch at one end, which I bought from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. This > handy device allows me to pop free frames held in nine frame spacers, > and is much easier than a regular hive tool if you are using spacers. > -- > PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. There is also a hive tool that has a hook of type on the end. One end of the hive tool is the flat prying end and the other end looks like a letter J. Just hook the end at the end of the frame and it will lift the frame up to then get a hold of it with your hand. If frame really stuck, you can pry each end the same way, then lift it out. I will try to look at my hive tool tomorrow to get the brand name if anyone wants to email me and find out. Article 8479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news From: dshinn@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supplemental feeding Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 21:44:44 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3398E73B.3123@hotmail.com> References: <5mt0r0$614$1@news.mhv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-as5s55.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 6 Jun 1997 22:50:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8479 Everything and everyone I have talked tojschock@mhv.net wrote: > > Does anyone have any thoughts about how long to continue supplying sugar syrup to newly > established hives? I've started them almost two months ago and they still are using it up. > thanks, John Everyone I have met and talked with says.....Feed them as long as they will take the syrup....they will know when to stop. Article 8480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!IRIS.global-one.nl!usenet From: kvry@compuserve.com (K. van Rij) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeypot-page has moved Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 09:14:38 GMT Organization: Global One NL Lines: 5 Message-ID: <339923ef.9412962@news.box.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: nntp.box.nl X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8480 My page about collecting honeypots has moved to an other server. See it now at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kvry Article 8481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 12:52:52 GMT Message-ID: <3399525b.17568264@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk [194.222.11.251] X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8481 I live in Surrey in the UK and am interested in starting a hive in my garden (there are plenty of fruit trees [mainly apple] around me). Could someone please point me in the right direction for advice? Are there any regulations associated with keeping bees in the UK? I have heard there are problems with a virus affecting bees, is there a problem? Where would I look for equipment? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk Article 8482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: 7 Jun 1997 14:16:26 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <19970607141600.KAA11191@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3398E4B2.5298@hotmail.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8482 In article <3398E4B2.5298@hotmail.com>, dshinn@hotmail.com writes: > >There is also a hive tool that has a hook of type on the end. One end >of the hive tool is the flat prying end and the other end looks like a >letter J. Just hook the end at the end of the frame and it will lift >the frame up to then get a hold of it with your hand. If frame really >stuck, you can pry each end the same way, then lift it out. I will try >to look at my hive tool tomorrow to get the brand name if anyone wants >to email me and find out. > > the hive tool with the j hooked end is made by Maxant Most suppliers have them Maxant makes some very nice bees stuff in stainless steel very nice stuff and I am a metalworker myself and hard to impress Article 8483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of correcting fliud for Q Marking. Date: 7 Jun 1997 14:16:27 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970607141600.KAA11193@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc726f$9adad420$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8483 Are the Dykem type paint markers used by metalworkers suitable for bee marking. These contain a solvent based layout fluid xylene isopropyl alchohol 2 butoxyethanol sec butyl alcohol but they come in the rainbow and dry fast. If they wont harm the queens they would be the hot ticket Anybody got an opinion or should I test em on some drones and report back? Article 8484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.onramp.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marking Queens (Was: Use of correcting fliud) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 21:20:05 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 23 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <5nc2bo$9mc@library.airnews.net> References: <01bc726f$9adad420$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970607141600.KAA11193@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal32-16.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8484 I've always used just Testor's model paint. Some say it doesn't dry fast enough but it's never caused me any problems. Perhaps it's the technique I use. I shake up the little bottle of Testor's model paint and of course this gets it on the inside, bottom of the lid. I use a finishing nail (ground off flat - this makes the perfect sized dot) and dab it in the paint thats on the inside of the bottle cap. This keeps too much paint from getting on the nail. After I mark the queen, I place 'her highness' in a little jar to transport her back to the hive. The Testor's has never failed to dry in the time it takes me to walk her back to the hive (about 50 yards). BusyKnight Dallas Article 8485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Telescoping Hive Cover Date: 7 Jun 1997 17:35:24 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970607173501.NAA27864@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8485 One company in our area (Kelley) sells their hives with plastic telescoping covers. I have always used wooden covers with aluminum top. Was wondering if any of you had expereince with these plastic telescoping covers? What are your impressions and observations? Thanks! Fred n4ssd@aol.com Article 8486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kmdnet@aol.com (KMDNET) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Honey Bees in my house. Date: 7 Jun 1997 18:27:24 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970607182701.OAA02193@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8486 We bought our 1st house last year only to find a bee colony of 2000 or more living in the wall. We had them exterminated and removed as much honey cone as we could find. Well a year later we are starting to see alot of bees again. Is their anyway to keep them from coming back? Please Help! Getting poorer and frustrated. Keven and Michelle.. KMDNET@aol.com Article 8487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 18:47:11 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3399E4EF.CF1C9CE7@valley.net> References: <3399525b.17568264@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8487 shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk wrote: > I live in Surrey in the UK and am interested in starting a hive in my > garden (there are plenty of fruit trees [mainly apple] around me). > > Could someone please point me in the right direction for advice? > > Are there any regulations associated with keeping bees in the UK? > > I have heard there are problems with a virus affecting bees, is there > a problem? > > Where would I look for equipment? > > Any advice would be appreciated. > Thanks. > shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk there are a LOT of websites on the net that can get you started. you'll see a number of them in the signatures of many of the people who post to this group [especially the ones with the answers]. while i, alas, am not one of them [YET, give me a chance to peel the 'newbie' sticker from my forehead.], one that i found useful is: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/right.htm [not dissing anyone else's sites, but all of my beekeeping bookmarks are on my system at work, and for some reason i have this one memorized.] they have about 300 hundred links to other sites [including some in the UK], as well as bee equipment manufacturers [one of the biggest is right in the UK, E.H. Thorne Ltd, at: http://www.thorne.co.uk]. should be enough to get you started. the problem right now is a species of mite that severely weakens bee colonies. but, there are treatments for this pest, which you will learn about as you read. i believe the treatment approved by the British Veterinary Medicines Directorate is called 'Bayvarol.' good luck! bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 18:53:09 -0600 From: HeloSgt@aol.com Subject: Re: supplemental feeding Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865666517.30216@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <5mt0r0$614$1@news.mhv.net> X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 07 06:55:18 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 152.163.213.14 (ww-th10.proxy.aol.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-AOL (Win95; I; 16bit) X-Authenticated-Sender: HeloSgt@aol.com Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8488 In article <5mt0r0$614$1@news.mhv.net>, jschock@mhv.net wrote: > > Does anyone have any thoughts about how long to continue supplying sugar syrup to newly > established hives? I've started them almost two months ago and they still are using it up. > thanks, John You should stop supplementing with sugar water once you notice that the bees have stored a "reasonable" amount of honey in the comb. "Reasonable" depends on 1. your location to nectar sources 2. current season of the year (is it a nectar flow or dearth period) 3. number of bees in the hive (can they sustain themselves on the stored honey while collecting more?) My recently captured colony has been supplemented with a Boardman feeder for the past month and I am removing it tomorrow. Christian -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Honey Bees in my house. Date: 8 Jun 1997 01:38:48 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: <19970608013800.VAA10752@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970607182701.OAA02193@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8489 In article <19970607182701.OAA02193@ladder02.news.aol.com>, kmdnet@aol.com (KMDNET) writes: >We bought our 1st house last year only to find a bee colony of 2000 or >more living in the wall. We had them exterminated and removed as much >honey cone as we could find. Well a year later we are starting to see >alot of bees again. Is their anyway to keep them from coming back? >Please Help! Getting poorer and frustrated. Keven and Michelle.. Look at them closely. Are they carrying pollen? You can easily see the pollen pellets on their back legs. If they are, a swarm has moved into the old nest site. These spots are very attractive due to the odor. If there are just a few bees, looking over the opening, and NO pollen being carried, they are likely scouts, and indicate a swarm could find this cavity to their liking and move in. If you don't want them (and personally I'd be pleased, if they chose to keep me company, since they'd give me a GREAT garden), then caulk up every crack, and see if you can get a beekeeper to place a "bait hive" right near the former entrance. I placed some this spring at spots where scouts were snooping, and caught a couple swarms. If they are in a hive, they are easily removed. Once in a wall, it's tough. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Varietal Honeys and Gift Sets http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 8490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re-queening by assasination Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 22:24:45 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 9 Message-ID: <339A17ED.1121@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29.dial-2.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8490 I am curious, why cannot you requeen simply by killing the old one, as long as there are some developing queen cups present. Presumably,you can let the new queens hatch and fight it out. I have also heard that a queenless colony will automatically raise a new queen by itself. Is the problem with this idea that the new queens have to mate? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 8491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebee questions. Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 20:12:24 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 23 Message-ID: <339A2317.590C@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-28.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8491 Hello, I am a honeybee beekeeper. I recently received a call regarding a colony of bees living in a box in someone's carport. They turned out to be bumblebees. I would like collect the colony to keep it from being sprayed by the owner of the box. What would be the best container to keep them in? How far do I need to move them from their current location to keep them from returning? Do they respond to smoke the same way honeybees do? Does anyone rent or sell bumblebee as pollinators? How much to they rent or sell for? It looks like a pretty large colony. The box was bumped before I realised they were bumble bees. The buzzing that came out sounded like what you'd hear coming out of a full honeybee hive. Thanks for any advise, Paul Article 8492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TBH bees fat and happy Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 07:43:17 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 44 Message-ID: <5ndnl7$hic$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8492 I checked every top bar in the top bar hive today. I was wearing my bee suit, of course. I have carefully lifted a top bar with no protection on me, and I have thought of opening the hive (rusch) with just a veil and with bare arms, but I am still reluctant to do that when the hive is as healthy as this one is. One can really tell when the hive is vibrant, can't one, by the buzz. The buzz of a healthy hive is unmistakeable. The smell of a strong and healthy hive (rusch) is really fine, too, isn't it. One problem, of course, is with having to wear the veil makes it difficult to smell the hive. I like to sneak a smell of the hive at night by lifting a top bar a little bit. Ahhh, c'est un odeur sauvage et douce. (Ahh, it is a natural odor, a wild smell, and sweet). Last weekend I found a couple of what looked like they might be a couple of swarm cells. I squashed one a little bit, just to show who is boss. There is still a lot of room in the hive (rusch) though, and I really don't think there is going to be any swarming away going on. These bees really do seem content, as the gentleman with the top bar hive webb page had said they would be. There are about 3-4 top bars at either end of the hive (rusch) which have not had any comb started on them at all yet. Many of the plates of comb still have quite a ways to go before the bees have drawn the plate of comb all the way down to the floor of the hive (rusch). The biggest plates of comb are close to the middle of the hive (rusch). The is lots of capped brood, and the hive (rusch) is really getting very nicely populated. Bees are covering every inch of every comb under every top bar. There are always several hundred bees milling around on the top of the top bars. I now suspect that there are slacker bees, but I am not positive, because one still has difficulty in keeping one's eye on a single bee as it is milling around on the top of the top bars with a hundred other bees. When I set a few top bars aside and look in there I see a carpet of bees climbing the walls (no pun intended) of the hive (rusch). Nectary honey is appearing on the top edges of these heavily populated inner combs, and one or more combs are really coming along with with honey and nectar stores. I can tell that top bar hives are not the way for massive honey production. The quality of these combs is going to be very high, though, with the natural shape of the comb and with the pockets of pollen that are getting built up in there along with the nectar and honey. I remember one time, in my Langstroth Frame days, in my first season of beekeeping, when I wasn't sure when the nectar became honey and so in my little two frame Chinese plastic extractor, the honey was just a little on the thin side and this was because I did not wait until the cells filled with nectar became honey. On my top bars, I will only rob the comb when it is totally ripe. Boy! There is lots to learn in beekeeping. Today I saw the biggest drone in my hive. It reminded me of that French wrestler, Andre the Giant. Article 8493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!stntnbry.demon.co.uk!pete From: Pete Bradbury Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebee questions. Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 10:07:24 +0100 (BST) Organization: @home, Milton Keynes Message-ID: References: <339A2317.590C@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stntnbry.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: stntnbry.demon.co.uk [158.152.21.133] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.23] Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8493 In article <339A2317.590C@teleport.com>, Paul Cauthorn wrote: > Hello, > > I am a honeybee beekeeper. I recently received a call regarding a > colony of bees living in a box in someone's carport. They turned out to > be bumblebees. > > I would like collect the colony to keep it from being sprayed by the > owner of the box. > > What would be the best container to keep them in? How far do I need to > move them from their current location to keep them from returning? Do > they respond to smoke the same way honeybees do? A good cardboard box or fruit box with a hessian inlay would suit most short term journeys with bees. Make sure you collect them after dark so as all the bees have returned home. > > Does anyone rent or sell bumblebee as pollinators? How much to they > rent or sell for? Some bumble bees are commonly used in large glass houses used for the growing of cucumber and tomatoes. If you have one around your way I'm sure they would be pleased to take them off your hands. -- Pete Bradbury ======================= Milton Keynes, England ================================================ ARM powered !!!!!!!!!!! RiscPC 700 - 42 meg RAM ================================================ Article 8494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!203.108.7.42!uunet1.feed.news.ozemail.net!OzEmail-In!news From: NICHOLAS GODDARD Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stored Honey in Frames in Supers Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 10:11:45 +1100 Organization: Pre-installed Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3399EAB1.2CF@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.108.20.172 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8494 Can someone pls advise how long honey should be stored in a frame within a super before extracting. I plan to remove top supers for Winter (Sydney- Sth Hemisphere), and would like some advice as to how long I should store the supers in the garage, with framed honey, before extracting. Nick Goddard Sydney -Australia Article 8495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dumb paint question [hive construction] Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:50:12 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <339AAA84.E078EE98@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-105.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8495 greetings all, i THINK i did a dumb thing, so i submit this question to the exerts. i painted my hive components yesterday [top quality exterior latex paint], and i'm almost ready to transfer my nuc to the hive. since it was a nice day and things were drying quickly, i had a 'good' idea. i figured, since the various boxes, floor, roof, etc., just sit on top of each other in the assembled hive, even with tight tolerances water could seep between then in a decent [windy] storm. if so, then it might sit there for a while. over time, with repeated soakings the components might rot from the edges. so, i painted the top and bottom edges of all the outer components and left them to dry. this morning i literally sat up in bed with this horrible thought: with the weight of a loaded hive pressing down on all those painted surfaces, will they all stick together and become a nightmare to separate??? if i have to, i still have time to sand all the edges and remove the paint. any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of correcting fliud for Q Marking. Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 15:13:13 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: am222.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8496 In article , Tom Speight wrote: > Is it just Tippex, or have all correction fluids changed? > I would be interested to know if anyone else had the same problems. > It s probably the first bottle of the new "non-solvent" based Tipp-Ex. They don't really mean non-solvent. It's just that they use water as the solvent instead. I think that you can still get the old type. -- Nick ZFC Cd nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk _ _______________ |___|______________|__ _/|____________________/______________ A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive Using 1.14 Article 8497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dumb paint question [hive construction] Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:06:06 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 9 Message-ID: <339b0fb3.11252649@news.netside.com> References: <339AAA84.E078EE98@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42-121.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8497 I always paint the edges of my equipment, for precisely the reasons you give. However, I use alkyd (oil) base paint for several reasons, one of them being less "blocking", which is the technical term for paint sticking to stuff. Latex never really cures and becomes hard the way oil does. And yet, I know that many beekeepers use latex, and many of them paint the edges. If the parts do become stuck, a well-placed hive tool should break them apart. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening by assasination Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:12:23 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <339b0e0f.10832204@news.netside.com> References: <339A17ED.1121@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42-121.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8498 I've used this method on and off for several years, with good success. You don't even have to wait for queen cups, if there are plenty of eggs. Don't worry about fixing up your new queen with a date. The drones will find her. The only real problem, if it is one, is that you have limited control over your breeding stock. Your new queen will be the daughter of your old, but she might mate with a traveling salesman, rather than some fancy drone. On one occasion I got a mean hive. (This was well before Africanized bees, which still haven't reached my area.) The remedy for a mean hive was to simply requeen with known stock, so that the next round of offspring was of better temperment. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk!woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk!dave From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:14:44 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <+PEwWDAEDymzEwDy@woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk> References: <3399525b.17568264@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk [194.222.228.123] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8499 In article <3399525b.17568264@news.demon.co.uk>, shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk writes > >I live in Surrey in the UK and am interested in starting a hive in my >garden (there are plenty of fruit trees [mainly apple] around me). > >Could someone please point me in the right direction for advice? There is lots of advice for new beekeepers on the internet and, even though I sometime provide some of it, I must say there is no substitute for local 'hands on' help. In Surrey we have plenty. Email me directly or . If you have a web browser point at the address below for some local internet information. -- Dave Black http://www.guildford.ac.uk/beehive Article 8500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "bouke scheffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in Ghana Date: 8 Jun 1997 21:36:03 GMT Organization: World Online Message-ID: <01bc7453$1a40e760$2491f1c3@bnscheff> NNTP-Posting-Host: grngn1-p36.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8500 Thanks everybody who has given some information and suggestions about beekeeping in Ghana. I have to prepare myself for (perhaps) that project in Ghana. The project is for two years and I have to get information about my todays job (I am working as a civil servant at the provincial gouvernment for polution prevention), my house (owner) and all that kind of stuff. I hope I can arange that. bouke Article 8501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!norweb.demon.co.uk!norweb.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike North Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving colonies half a mile - advice please. Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:30:53 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: norweb.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: norweb.demon.co.uk [194.222.90.141] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8501 I am new to beekeeping and have managed to purchase a couple of WBC hives with established colonies from a neighbour about half a mile away. I know of a rule which says move a colony less than 3 feet or more than 3 miles. But have also read (Mace: The complete handbook of bee-keeping) that if I shut up the hive for three days when they are moved the bees will not return to their old site. Obviously this will eliminate the need for a move to a remote site and back again although I guess the bees might be a bit lively when finally released. I propose to shut up the hive by stuffing the entrance with foam and fitting a screen in place of the crown board to give ventilation. Has anyone actually tried this containment method? Did it work? Thanks in anticipation. -- Mike North Pott Shrigley Cheshire UK Article 8502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening by assasination Date: 8 Jun 1997 22:17:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bc7459$cac12c20$566ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <339A17ED.1121@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 08 5:17:27 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8502 Marc Andelman wrote in article <339A17ED.1121@ultranet.com>... > I am curious, why cannot you requeen simply by killing the old > one, as long as there are some developing queen cups present. If you kill the old queen (whether or not queen cups are present) they will TRY to replace her. Unfortunately this is not always successful. Used to be that the biggest hazard was when the virgin flew out to mate (might get lost OR might get ate). Nowadays with mites and the viruses/diseases they "instigate" they may not even get a virgin to emerge at times (one of the "fringe-benefits of V-mites). > Presumably,you can let the new queens hatch and fight it out. Virgin queens do indeed fight it out (while 2 mated queens can be seen laying on same comb at times and we found 3 in one colony) - got to see this one day when I opened up a mating nuc to be sure the cells were emerging properly. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dumb paint question [hive construction] Date: 8 Jun 1997 22:20:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 48 Message-ID: <01bc745a$3eadfdc0$566ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <339AAA84.E078EE98@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 08 5:20:41 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8503 bill greenrose wrote in article <339AAA84.E078EE98@valley.net>... > greetings all, > > i THINK i did a dumb thing, so i submit this question to the exerts. > > i painted my hive components yesterday [top quality exterior latex > paint], and i'm almost ready to transfer my nuc to the hive. since it > was a nice day and things were drying quickly, i had a 'good' idea. i > figured, since the various boxes, floor, roof, etc., just sit on top of > each other in the assembled hive, even with tight tolerances water could > seep between then in a decent [windy] storm. if so, then it might sit > there for a while. over time, with repeated soakings the components > might rot from the edges. so, i painted the top and bottom edges of all > the outer components and left them to dry. this morning i literally sat > up in bed with this horrible thought: with the weight of a loaded hive > pressing down on all those painted surfaces, will they all stick > together and become a nightmare to separate??? if i have to, i still > have time to sand all the edges and remove the paint. We do the same thing whenever time allows and can assure you it is not a problem. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: 8 Jun 1997 22:37:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc745c$9e3332e0$566ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc726f$9adad420$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970607141600.KAA11193@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 08 5:37:41 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8504 BusyKnight wrote in article ... > > I've always used just Testor's model paint. Testor's model paint works fine - as do other model paints. We used some water based ones a few years ago so my son could help mark queens (in the house) without a major problem if he accidentally dumped the paint. But after using a paint pen (oil base - available at our office supply store or art supply stores) all my little jars of model paint have not had the lids so much as cracked. You just shake the paint pen - pull off the lid - press the tip lightly against the thorax of the queen you are holding and PRESTO you are done. We routinely instantly release them as well with NO problem. The paint pens are just are so much handier - anybody want the model paints?? (actually my boy will likely use them someday to paint something) -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 18:11:37 -0600 From: HeloSgt@aol.com Subject: Re: I want to study beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865665786.29823@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <3391F774.940@xtra.co.nz> X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 07 06:43:07 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 152.163.213.14 (ww-th10.proxy.aol.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-AOL (Win95; I; 16bit) X-Authenticated-Sender: HeloSgt@aol.com Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8505 In article <3391F774.940@xtra.co.nz>, yooncy@xtra.co.nz wrote: > > I am very interested in beekeeping,but I don't know how to study. > Anyone who knows anything about it, > Please let me know. > > Thanks a lot > > chang If I were you, I would become intimate with "The Hive And The Honey Bee" by Dadant & Sons, otherwise known as the "Bee Bible." Then check with your county ag commissioner for clubs and such. Christian -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I have varoa, help Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:12:17 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 8 Message-ID: <339C4781.16A3@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.dial-6.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8506 Hi. I pulled out some drone brood and found every other one had a varroa mite, or a very visible red spider looking critter crawling around it. Yecch. Is there anything I can do and are these sure to kill the bees? I have Yugo bees. Where these only supposed to be resistant to tracheal mites or to both? Thank you in advance. Marc Andelman Article 8507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: dumb paint question [hive construction] Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 01:31:53 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <339b5a11.269901@news.wn.com.au> References: <339AAA84.E078EE98@valley.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 68 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8507 Hello Bill, I paint all edge surfaces of my hives with good quality outdoor plastic (latex) , and put several coats on the end grain where it is exposed in the dovetail joins to reduce the chances of penetrating water rotting the hive. You should have no problems as long as the paint has thoroughly dried. In fact, the propolis the bees use to glue everything together must be one of the best adhesives known to man, and probably gets a lesser grip on a painted surface than on a raw wood surface. I am more concerned about your plan to install your nuc so soon after painting. I avoid populating hives for at least a week after painting, longer if I can. Have you ever spent a night in a freshly painted room? This is just my assumption, for all I know bees can't smell paint, but they do not seem too happy in freshly painted hives. perhaps someone with more than my few years of experience can give better advice, but I would hold off installing the bees for a little longer if possible. Hope this helps. On Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:50:12 -0400, bill greenrose wrote: >greetings all, > >i THINK i did a dumb thing, so i submit this question to the exerts. > >i painted my hive components yesterday [top quality exterior latex >paint], and i'm almost ready to transfer my nuc to the hive. since it >was a nice day and things were drying quickly, i had a 'good' idea. i >figured, since the various boxes, floor, roof, etc., just sit on top of >each other in the assembled hive, even with tight tolerances water could >seep between then in a decent [windy] storm. if so, then it might sit >there for a while. over time, with repeated soakings the components >might rot from the edges. so, i painted the top and bottom edges of all >the outer components and left them to dry. this morning i literally sat >up in bed with this horrible thought: with the weight of a loaded hive >pressing down on all those painted surfaces, will they all stick >together and become a nightmare to separate??? if i have to, i still >have time to sand all the edges and remove the paint. > >any advice would be greatly appreciated. > >thanks, > >bill > >######################################## > >don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dumb paint question [hive construction] Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 19:25:37 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <339B69A1.54CA@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <339AAA84.E078EE98@valley.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.226 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8508 bill greenrose wrote: > > greetings all, > > i THINK i did a dumb thing, so i submit this question to the exerts. > > i painted my hive components yesterday [top quality exterior latex > paint], and i'm almost ready to transfer my nuc to the hive. since it > was a nice day and things were drying quickly, i had a 'good' idea. i > figured, since the various boxes, floor, roof, etc., just sit on top of > each other in the assembled hive, even with tight tolerances water could > seep between then in a decent [windy] storm. if so, then it might sit > there for a while. over time, with repeated soakings the components > might rot from the edges. so, i painted the top and bottom edges of all > the outer components and left them to dry. this morning i literally sat > up in bed with this horrible thought: with the weight of a loaded hive > pressing down on all those painted surfaces, will they all stick > together and become a nightmare to separate??? if i have to, i still > have time to sand all the edges and remove the paint. > > any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks, > > bill > >Bill, I agree with Jack "not really a problem" let the latex paint dry a little longer (Maybe three days) it then won't stick. Painting the edges and even the inside is okay. Painting the inside helps to even out water absorption and helps to prevent cupping of the super sides. Good beekeeping Pete Article 8509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Caught a swarm, thus questions Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:16:27 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 40 Message-ID: <339C568B.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tessa.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8509 Yesterday, on my way to see if my hay was dry enough to bale, I happened to walk by the hives I started the end of this april. I could see many bees flying about,and at first thought it was the bees coming and going from the hives. I called my wife to come look, and she said the word "swarm". I saw a cluster of bees on a low cedar branch, and ran to the house to suit up. I had spent some of the day assembling frames and foundations, as I had planned on adding a second brood chamber to each hive yesterday. I had checked about a week ago, and the fullest hive had six frames drawn out. After capturing and hiving the swarm, I opened up my other hives to try to figure out what was going on to cause a swarm. None of the hives had all the frames drawn out (single brood chamber still, as the weather only recently changed). I posted awhile back about one of my hives that I thought was failing, then found out they had a back entrance to the hive. This hive looked the best (or most normal to the novice beekeeper). The other two hives had a couple of things that bothered me. One was "burr comb", or comb drawn out on the bottom of the frames, and even a comb coming off of a frame the was "double layered" (the bees were running back between this second comb and the comb drawn from the foundation). Another thing that bothered me was some dark, half filled cells. They looked like whatever had been placed in them had dried up. They didn't appear to have ever been capped. Was this pollen? I had an instance where the sugar syrup molded in the feeder, and wondered if this could have been some of that stored in the cell. I found a couple of queen cells in two of the three hives. I did find the marked queen in two of the hives, but not the third. Also, the nice laying pattern (cricular from center outwards) wasn't real evident. My guess is that the centers of the the frames had hatched out, because most of the frames that had capped cells, had them in the corners. I placed an order for more frames and foundations this morning, and hope to get more space by Wednesday or Thursday. If I face another swarm, I'm out of equipment for another hive :( I guess I need to smash the queen cells that I found? The hives are still getting and taking syrup. The Eastern Iowa Beekeepers monthly meeting is tonight, and I hope to attend, though I really should be baling hay. -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 8510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.232.174.12!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!news3.his.com!usenet From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeChat Guest Speaker Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 22:33:56 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <339B6B94.4BBC@widtech.com> Reply-To: jdalexa@widtech.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8510 1 July 1997 - 8:00 PM EST BeeChat is pleased to announce Dr Pedro Rodrigues as our guest speaker. Point your browser to: http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ Born in Puerto Rico on 15 January 1929, Dr Rodrigues received his PHD in Veterinary Medicine in 1962 from the University of Pennsylvania. Dr Rodrigues is a 4th generation beekeeper and has been an active beekeeper since childhood. He has spent the past 11 years studying Varroa mites and recently published his findings of research into Varroa control utilizing food grade mineral oil. Join Dr. Rodrigues on BeeChat on 1 July 1997 at 8:00 PM EST with your questions and comments. For more information BeeChat, see the general information section of the BeeChat homepage at: http://www.widtech.com/beechat/ BeeChat is a free service for the beekeeping community. No commercial advertising or solicitation please. John Alexander WIDTECH Article 8511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!newsxfer.nether.net!news.altair.com!uwvax!vega9.cs.wisc.edu!seavey From: seavey@vega9.cs.wisc.edu (Beverly Seavey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is this red pollen or a disease? Date: 9 Jun 1997 20:44:36 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5nhpvk$39l@spool.cs.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vega9.cs.wisc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8511 An occasional cell on one of my frames is filled with something blood red. Is this red pollen or some kind of disease? Article 8512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsmaster.hol.gr!not-for-mail From: "Van" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information about ascosperae apis wanted.. Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:50:26 +0300 Organization: Hellas on Line - Pipex Intl Lines: 6 Message-ID: <865889411.416693@venus.hol.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.hol.gr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Cache-Post-Path: venus.hol.gr!unknown@port59.tc3.hol.gr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8512 I would be obliged to anyone that can give me some information about ascosperae apis Thanx. Article 8513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <339C90A3.1715@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 19:24:19 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: bill greenrose Subject: Re: Bees and my hot tub References: <339348B4.781F@ibm.net> <33961CAE.A6967737@valley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.140 Lines: 72 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.78.140 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8513 bill greenrose wrote: > > Al Welk wrote: > > Ted Park wrote: > > > > Greetings bee experts; > > > > I live in a suburban area in Calgary, Alberta, and just > moved into a > > home with a hot tub. There seem to be a some bees that > are attracted > > to the hot tub - during the day there seem to be 10 or so > bees that > > land on the hot tub cover and appear to be drinking the > condensation which > > occurs there. What causes this? Is there something in the > hot tub > > chemicals that bees require? There doesn't seem to be a > nest close > > by, so they must have to travel some distance to get to > the tub. > > > > Just curious, > > > > --Ted. > > -- > > --------------------------------------------- > > Ted Park tpark@world.std.com > > also tpark@canuck.com > > > On the web as Ted's > Home Page > Obviously the bees are in need of a good water sourse. You > can try > puting some water out in your yard that is easy for the bees > to get at. > Bees prefer moisture almost more that water itself. After a > rain I find > bees all over the wet carpet door mat, rather than the water > I have > dripping on rocks near their hives. > this might sound gross, but I also find bees drinking a lot > in an area > in the bee yard that is frequently used as a urinal. i > don't know if it > is salts, or something else that they are after because they > have clean > water just 30 feet away. > > several years ago i saw a special on tv that showed butterflies > 'drinking' water from along the edges of evaporating pools, where the > salt content was much higher. can't remember what salt or other > compound they were attracted to, but if butterflies seek it out, then > i can see where other insects, like bees, might do something similar. > salt is a lot rarer to come by for the rest of the animal kingdom than > it is for most modern human animals [remember your ancient history > class where they talked about salt as a currency?]. since urine > contains a lot of salts, that might substitute in a pinch. > > bill > > ######################################## > > don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 When it come to drinking urine for the salt I sure am glad that we figured out a better way to get salt. Thanks for your comments. Article 8514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 19:53:59 -0600 From: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Subject: Removing bees from supers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <865901622.7736@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 10 00:13:43 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 134.134.248.16 (atropos.jf.intel.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Authenticated-Sender: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8514 Recently, I had a problem with a queen getting into a super, and needed to get all the bees out of my super back into the brood chambers. My first thought was to use a fume board, but when I went to the supply store to get the fume board and butyric acid, the shop owner recommended another method. Following his recommendations, I set an empty super (no frames) atop the brood chambers, and rested a 2X4 across the top. Taking each frame full of bees (along with some capped and uncapped honey) I turned the frames vertically (longest dimension up and down) and rapped the top bar sharply against the 2X4. Within 2 or 3 'poundings', all of the bees were shaken from the frame into the hive. None of the comb was visibly damaged, nor did I shake out any honey. Soon, I'll be needing to clear my supers again to extract the honey, and I'm wondering if I could use this same technique, rather than going with a brush, escape, or fume board? Has anyone else used this method? Are there any danger or drawbacks to doing this? What is YOUR preferred method for removing bees? Thanks for any advice, Kelly Hillsboro, OR -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dumb hive paint question [follow up] Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 20:43:15 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <339CA322.310095EE@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8515 greetings, many thanks to everyone who posted and emailed me about painting the top and bottom edges of my new hive sections. sounds like i have nothing to worry about. or, more correctly, i have more to worry about from propolis than from sticking paint [or 'blocking' as i learned from john w.] and for those of you who expressed concern about my transferring the bees too soon after painting the hive, rest assured that i'm giving it plenty of time to dry and air out, before transferring the colony. the last thing i want is my bees getting high on paint fumes. might make for interesting honey, though. ;) thanks, again. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have varoa, help Date: 10 Jun 1997 02:42:48 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 61 Message-ID: <01bc7547$fa779500$726ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <339C4781.16A3@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-50.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 09 9:42:48 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8516 Marc Andelman wrote in article <339C4781.16A3@ultranet.com>... > Hi. I pulled out some drone brood and found every other one had a varroa > mite, or a very visible red spider looking critter crawling around it. > Yecch. Is there anything I can do and are these sure to kill the bees? If you have 50% of drone brood infested already (did you actually look at 50-100 drone pupae so you are certain? or did you just check a few only {not accurate indicator}) - any 50% of drone pupae infested is a serious problem. I don't recall where you live but it is likely in USA sine you mention Yugo bees (the USDA released ARS-YC1 stock). If you are up in the North white Dutch clover is just blooming now and so you have a double whammy problem - don't treat the bees and they will die - can't treat the bees while making honey. I do NOT envy your predicament. So what to do - what to do? I would work to save the bees. I will talk Deeps here but you can easily convert it to mediums if you like (3 mediums = 2 Deeps / 4 mediums = 3 Deeps pretty near) - I am assuming (and that can get you in trouble fast) that you have the bees in 2 Deeps now. So put in the required number of Apistan strips (1 per 5 frames of bees & brood - in contact with cluster) and then make the brood chamber BIGGER to accomodate the honey as Winter Stores and make best use of the unplanned emergency treatment. Keep adding more brood boxes AS NEEDED for the next 6 weeks (wow that is near end of July) and then pull the Apistan. Leave the colony with all the brood boxes or split them (giving the queenless split a queen). If you have a late flow they should be ready for it. You can super up the second you pull the Apistan strips. > I have Yugo bees. Where these only supposed to be resistant to tracheal > mites or to both? They are highly resistant to Tracheal mites and show some hope in the direction of Varroa resistance but are not very resistant to Varroa. NO strain exists that is economically resistant to Varroa. Some people seem to like Yugo but when several of our HIP Cooperators tested them we got generally poor results with them as far as basically being decent bee stock - they did show hopeful signs toward VR. Yugo gave widely varying results for us. As far as "on the market" T-mite resistant stocks go I much prefer Buckfast, New World Carniolan, and Kirk Webster stock. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 23:25:03 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3398E4B2.5298@hotmail.com> <19970607141600.KAA11191@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: ai208.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8517 My hive tool is very similar. It is the only type that I have ever used. I hook the J shape under the frame that I want to lift and use a step on the outside of the J to lever against an adjacent frame. It works a treat. That reminds me. I have, ever since I started keeping bees, had the problem of getting my gloves trapped under frames. The resulting thump as I pull the fingers free does nothing to soothe the temper of the bees. Any thoughts anyone? -- Nick ZFC Cd nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk _ _______________ |___|______________|__ _/|____________________/______________ A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive Using 1.14 Article 8518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wco.com!not-for-mail From: gkendall@shell. (Greg Kendall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Telescoping Hive Cover Date: 10 Jun 1997 15:56:39 GMT Organization: West Coast Online, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5njtfn$6ug$1@news.wco.com> References: <19970607173501.NAA27864@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8518 I've been using two of them for about 3 years, they're tough, holding up well, and I'll continue to use them. In article <19970607173501.NAA27864@ladder02.news.aol.com> n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) writes: >One company in our area (Kelley) sells their hives with plastic >telescoping covers. I have always used wooden covers with aluminum top. >Was wondering if any of you had expereince with these plastic telescoping >covers? What are your impressions and observations? > >Thanks! >Fred > >n4ssd@aol.com > -- Greg Kendall gkendall@wco.com Pilot, beekeeper, packet hacker. "Dying ain't so hard, for men like you and me, it's living that's hard" Article 8519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: smudgefrog@aol.com (SmudgeFrog) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping in Ghana Date: 10 Jun 1997 17:55:10 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970610175500.NAA20014@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bc7453$1a40e760$2491f1c3@bnscheff> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8519 Hi, I'm new to the beekeeping list, so I haven't seen your earlier posts. Beekeeping in Ghana should prove very interesting. I fooled around with it a bit when I was in Senegal. They were the meanest bees I've ever encountered! Good Luck. Fulton Article 8520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: 10 Jun 1997 18:11:07 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <19970610181100.OAA21256@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8520 In article , Nick Cooke writes: > >That reminds me. I have, ever since I started keeping bees, had the problem >of getting my gloves trapped under frames. The resulting thump as I pull >the fingers free does nothing to soothe the temper of the bees. Any >thoughts anyone? > > > After a while you keep gloves on hand for the mean hive and they stay in your toolbox Now I get Less stings without the gloves because I am less clumsy and in and out faster Two years ago you would never have convinced me of it. 25 hives later the way to go is no gloves (but a new pair is in the truck) and the old ones get used to pull nettles. Article 8521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ccgammon@rapidnet.net (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stored Honey in Frames in Supers Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:27:31 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5nmng7$t7o$1@news.rapidnet.net> References: <3399EAB1.2CF@ozemail.com.au> Reply-To: ccgammon@rapidnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ap025.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!sol.pdnt.net!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8521 NICHOLAS GODDARD wrote: Can someone pls advise how long honey should be stored in a frame within a super before extracting. I plan to remove top supers for Winter (Sydney- Sth Hemisphere), and would like some advice as to how long I should store the supers in the garage, with framed honey, before extracting. Nick Goddard Sydney -Australia I personally wouldn't wait too long to extract the honey, unless of course, you plan to hold onto them for early Spring feeding. Also, be careful about the honey fermenting. I had several hundred pounds of honey stored in my back yard (all bug and moth proof) over our last Winter and the honey fermented! It all has ended up having to be trashed. Craig Gammon ********************************************************* 35110 Morgan Way Abbotsford, British Columbia V2S 5T7 P O Box 1504 Sumas, WA 98295 ********************************************************* Article 8522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ccgammon@rapidnet.net (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is this red pollen or a disease? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:29:06 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5nmnj5$t7o$2@news.rapidnet.net> References: <5nhpvk$39l@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Reply-To: ccgammon@rapidnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ap025.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!sol.pdnt.net!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8522 seavey@vega9.cs.wisc.edu (Beverly Seavey) wrote: An occasional cell on one of my frames is filled with something blood red. Is this red pollen or some kind of disease? Probably, horse chestnut pollen, Beverly. We get loads of it here in southwestern British Columbia, Canada. Craig Gammon ********************************************************* 35110 Morgan Way Abbotsford, British Columbia V2S 5T7 P O Box 1504 Sumas, WA 98295 ********************************************************* Article 8523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!194.158.96.18!grolier!not-for-mail From: "David FRANÇOIS" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.anagrams,alt.gif-agreement,alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.www.sites,bionet.agroforestry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: New IFA Web Site Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:26:10 +0200 Organization: IFA Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5njh2d$hfo$1@newsfeeds.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-101-23.villette.club-internet.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:388 alt.agriculture.fruit:5604 alt.agriculture.misc:7890 alt.anagrams:6856 alt.gif-agreement:2649 alt.sustainable.agriculture:19443 alt.www.sites:977 bionet.agroforestry:5308 sci.agriculture:20274 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8523 sci.agriculture.fruit:866 http://www.fertilizer.org The International Fertilizer Industry Association (IFA) is a non-profit industrial organization with around 500 member companies in about 80 countries. IFA actively promotes efficient, responsible production, transport and use of all plant nutrients to maintain and increase agricultural production worldwide in a sustainable manner. http://www.fertilizer.org Article 8524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.jax.bellsouth.net!news.rdu.bellsouth.net!news.sdf.bellsouth.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!not-for-mail From: Joe Mehaffey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ??Temperature Effects on Honey Bee Larve?? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:15:53 -0400 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <339DC409.5B41@mehaffey.com> Reply-To: joe@mehaffey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-0-75.atl.bellsouth.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8524 What are the effects of temperature on Honey Bee larve? I am seeing worker bees carrying out honey bee larve and I wonder if this could be because of the cool snap we had when the temperature went down to 50F. Thanks! Tim Bowden Article 8525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Location Date: 11 Jun 1997 01:55:10 GMT Organization: TDS Telecom - Madison, WI Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bc7623$20f9b560$4c0ef6cc@mypc.tdsnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: conc5-a11.conc.tds.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.tds.net!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8525 Any Beekeepers out there close to Athens, Tenn. Article 8526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.onr.com!usenet From: Chris Noak Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MY FIRST SWARM CATCH OF THE YEAR Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 13:06:20 -0500 Organization: Onramp Access, Inc. 512-322-9200 Lines: 89 Message-ID: <339C461C.38D4@onr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: onramp3-9.onr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8526 It was a dark and stormy night...actually it was just before the storm on a Friday afternoon. Just after lunch, I had gotten the call from a friend who was both a City of Austin Fireman and a helicopter pilot in the National Guard. He said there was a swarm of bees on the helicopter apron at the airport. They were suppose to be “As big as your arms form a circle” my friend said. After some inquiry he told me they were on the apron for two days and didn’t move; also there was a bunch a dead bees in the middle. A couple of his cohorts tried to kill the bees by hovering the helicopters above the bees with the down draft of 600 miles per hour! When I got there at 4:00 PM, my friend was gone and I met commander of the Airport Austin Fire Department: Big Ol’ Warren. I told Ol’ Warren that I did not have my veil nor smoker with me, just this old copy paper box. He said he’d take me to them bees and I can “jest scoop’m up with my hands, they were so tame.” Having heard this from our old timer Bob Sullivan before, I was mighty skeptical!. I took my box jumped in a brand new truck that Warren said was the “Commanders Truck” and headed across the airport; the bees were on the other side at the National Guard area. While we were driving the radio was buzzing with the airport traffic. Warren would listen and start laughin’ at “those Courageous Pilots” and said he has had as much training as them. Frankly I was a little nervous as we crossed the runway; I was looking for a big Boeing 727 that would plow through my side door as Commander Warren paid more attention to the radio. When we arrived at the National Guard area the storm that was starting to blow in had been making the winds mighty gusty for the past hour and the rain was only 15 minutes away. Warren jumped out of the truck and walked to where the bees were, on the ground just as my friend had said. It was probably a good size swarm until some jerk ran through the middle of them with a truck or something having the tire kill a good pile of the bees. We figured the queen was in the middle of the dead bees as the live ones would not leave the pile of dead ones. They were buzzing all around us as the wind was getting worse. When I looked at them closely, they were just barely hanging on to the pavement. But otherwise Warren was right, they could have cared less about us and that was just the beginning. Now the next part of this story is absolutely true, and you can just ask Ol’ Warren. I took the box out of his truck and stood upwind of the bees and placed the box on its side right in front of the bees trying to figure out how to scoop them up and they just started to walk right in the box. The only thing Warren and I could figure out is that the bees were having a tough time hanging on to the pavement and they knew the storm was fast approaching with lighting dancing in the distant. As the bees sought the shelter of the box Ol’ Warren got this metal blade and I scooped up the pile of dead bees into the box and the rest of the bees followed in it. I took my shoes off to put on top of the box, hold it down because I was getting so tired of holding it and Warren told me how “all them macho National Guard Pilots stood back 40 feet asking me if these here bees was African and stuff.” Warren said it was mighty funny to see them so far way from “such a little pile of insects”. The storm was now fast approaching and the bees were all coming in just like little planes on a runway, landing right in the box. I grabbed my shoes (that’s when I got stung; a little bee was on one of my shoes), to put them on, we put the lid on the box and Warren had to drive off to the National Guard headquarters to “show them Macho pilots how easy this was”. I might add this was the most gentle swarm of bees I have ever come across. I convinced Warren it would not be prudent to open the box and show “them bees to them macho pilots”. After some bragging we jumped in the truck and crossed the runway again (something like this can make a man mighty religious) and I put the bees in the trunk of my car and headed home. I could not take the bees out because it was still raining and I had to wait till the next morning. I put my suit and veil on and opened my top-bar hive and before I knew it was covered with very mean bees stinging me through my suit! I thought, “Who took my bees and gave my Bob Sullivan’s bees?” I ran back to the house; scraping off 50 to 100 bees with my hive tool. I should have known better because there was a storm brewing off in the distance (yet again) and the bees were probably a little edgy. I got my smoker lit and went to a new bee hive that was a split earlier this year, but I knew the queen was a gentle one. I smoked’em down; took out a frame of brood (new eggs and some larva); brushed off all the bees and put it in a nuke that Bob gave me several years ago. Actually I’m just borrowing it and have forgot to return it. I put the frame of brood in the nuke with a feeder filled half way with sugar and some water and two more frames of foundation. The frame of brood will keep the bees from leaving and let the bees make their own queen with one of the new eggs. The sugar should help feed them and get the going. I let you know how they do. Chris Noak Austin, Texas Article 8527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: Free Cable Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY Date: 11 Jun 1997 02:37:55 GMT Organization: Free Cable Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5nl323$e72@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc023091.concentric.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8527 CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLER BUILD YOUR OWN DESCRAMBLER FAST CHEAP AND EASY Just a few inexpensive parts from Radio Shack and a little time and you can descramble every cable channel. See all your favorite movie channels,pay per view etc To recieve detail instructions and diagrams on how to construct your own Cable Box Descrambler Mail $5.00 CASH MONEY ORDER CHECK S&G Enterprise 12145 Augusta Woods Cir Suite 3 Orlando FL. 32824 Please be sure to include your full name & address Allow 10 days to recieve Thank You Seth Garner Article 8528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ts30-6.homenet.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Telescoping Hive Cover Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:37:26 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19970607173501.NAA27864@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts30-6.homenet.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8528 > n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) writes: >One company in our area (Kelley) sells their hives with plastic >telescoping covers. I have always used wooden covers with aluminum top. >Was wondering if any of you had expereince with these plastic telescoping >covers? What are your impressions and observations? I'm only a one-hiver, but I help someone else work their hives. I have a Kelley plastic cover and she has aluminum/wood covers. The plastic cover is great. It looks great, works great, and will last forever. If you are replacing old and damaged covers, I would recommend the plastic. It really is heavy duty and not at all flimsy like you might think. It is totally inflexible. Dave Stamper Article 8529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: !hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm management Date: 11 Jun 1997 03:32:31 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5nl68f$i0b$2@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-d26.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dsource.com!cnn.isc-br.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8529 I hived a small swarm Saturday. I am thinking of combining them with a small colony. Nothing wrong with the small colony, I just started with too small of a split. Would combining these two colonies be a wise idea? Advice appreciated. John Article 8530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NHJV32A@prodigy.com (William Hughes jr.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Telescoping Hive Cover Date: 11 Jun 1997 03:55:41 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5nl7jt$23ss@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19970607173501.naa27864@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap3-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8530 n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) wrote: > >One company in our area (Kelley) sells their hives with plastic >telescoping covers. I have always used wooden covers with aluminum top. >Was wondering if any of you had expereince with these plastic telescoping >covers? What are your impressions and observations? > >Thanks! >Fred > >n4ssd@aol.com > I use them and love them. They double as trays for stacking pulled supers on. They also catch honey that drains out after extraction. - Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm NHJV32A@prodigy.com Article 8531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is this red pollen or a d Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706110716301953@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5nhpvk$39l@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8531 S>From: seavey@vega9.cs.wisc.edu (Beverly Seavey) >Subject: Is this red pollen or a disease? S> An occasional cell on one of my frames is filled with > something blood red. Is this red pollen or some kind of disease? I would guess pollen if its solid, or sugar water from someone's humming bird feeder if its liquid. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Essaim de Mai, Vache a Lait Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening by assasination Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 17:14:01 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 32 Message-ID: <339B4AC9.18F6@starpoint.net> References: <339A17ED.1121@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova-2.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8532 Marc Andelman wrote: > > I am curious, why cannot you requeen simply by killing the old > one, as long as there are some developing queen cups present. > Presumably,you can let the new queens hatch and fight it out. > I have also heard that a queenless colony will automatically > raise a new queen by itself. Is the problem with this idea that > the new queens have to mate? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman Marc, One problem with re-queening this way, is that you could end up with a queenless colony. If after pinching your old queen the hive raises several new queens, the first one out of her cell will kill the rest in the cells before they emerge. Now if you get a real bad storm when your new queen is on her mating flight she may not make it back to the hive. Cold and rainy weather will also stop her from flying, which could end up with an infertile queen. When you think of how long it really takes to get a laying queen you might change your mind. It's 15 days from egg to emerging then 7 to 10 days for her to mate and return to the hive and start laying. If she doesn't mate in the first 2 weeks then you will have an infertile queen. In such cases your hive may be lost because they don't like to except a new queen when they think they have one. Also requeening in this way will cut the honey production to almost nothing from this hive. My numbers with mating cycles my not be correct but you can expected no new brood emerging for at least a 35 day period. I hope this helps in your decision Elroy Article 8534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Gervase Chavasse" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Welsh black bees Date: 11 Jun 1997 19:09:44 GMT Organization: Enterprise PLC - Internet Services Message-ID: <01bc7693$31f2d840$f1c448c2@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.72.196.241 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!spoon.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8534 I am renovating an old barn in Gwynedd and have been trying to destroy a large bees nest which has been there for many years. Having just seen a news item on Welsh TV I think they may be Welsh black bees which are apparently rare and need to be preserved. Does anyone want to take them away for me? Article 8535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!paley.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Paley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Leaf-cutter bee quries Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:41:53 GMT Organization: Not organised yet Message-ID: <612437421wnr@paley.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: mike@paley.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: mike@paley.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: punt-1.mail.demon.net!paley.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Tuesday, Jun 10, 1997 19.36.34 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8535 Hi, Apart from the actual leaf cut, do these bees damage plants in any other way ? - They seem to be burying into plant pots and I'm concerned about the plant roots. Do they pollenate plants like other bees ? How long does it take for one of these "nests" to become empty (- when the young has left) ? Are they generall good for gardens or is it better for a garden if they are deterred from staying around ? TIA -- Comm again, Mike. Milk floats and stainless steel sinks Ex Turnpike user. If you want to see the rest of this sig. file or find out more about me, have a look at http://www.paley.demon.co.uk/ [1997:4:20] Article 8536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leaf-cutter bee quries Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:32:45 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 165 Message-ID: <5nnjm3$3ej$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <612437421wnr@paley.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-102-93.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8536 Hi Mike, The "leafcutter" bees we have here in California do not nest in the ground? They do cut small circular holes from garden plants, like roses, for nesting material.. But they are also very good pollinators and for the most part are not controled. You can find several nice pages on the net with all the information you need to know on these bees. I have attached one but am not sure it will make the trip as I know not what I do. ttul, the OLd Drone Breeder of the "killer" leaf cutter bee Mike Paley wrote in article <612437421wnr@paley.demon.co.uk>... >Apart from the actual leaf cut, do these bees damage plants in any >other way ? - They seem to be burying into plant pots and I'm concerned >about the plant roots. > >Do they pollenate plants like other bees ? Very good alfalfa pollinator and used commercially here by several growers. Demand for these bees can not bee met. >How long does it take for one of these "nests" to become empty (- when >the young has left) ? As the young hatch into adults new eggs are laid and in fact these bees increase very fast and new nest sites must be provided or they will seek natural sites. >Are they generall good for gardens or is it better for a garden if they >are deterred from staying around ? They do not hang around in large numbers in most gardens unless they have nest sites near by. They will cut many types of plants for nesting material. HollyHocks are my favoriate as the nesting board will take on the look of a coat of many colors. Here they do well in our warm dry temps and are flying real good right now. A box of soda straws cut in half makes two nice nesting boxes when placed out of the weather such as under the eve's of a shead or home. These bees seldom sting, and need not feed or care other then giving them a place to nest. They do get their own bee diseases, and can be bothered by parasites, but for the most part a box of straws will last many years and give much enjoyment watching the bees do their thing. begin 666 bee.htm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osting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8540 If you close up the hive for 3 days this time of year (summer) -- even leaving it vented -- you will probably kill enough bees to destroy the hive, or at the very least weaken it beyond the point of having a productive hive this year. My suggestion is make the long move (over 3 miles), let the bees get situated, then move them to the final site (1/2 mile from the original). best o' luck Cliff - Allied Van Lines and Bee Movers - Shaw Article 8541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!sun4nl!sun4nl!phcoms4.seri.philips.nl!news.best.ms.philips.com!news From: "J. van Woezik" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:15:20 +0200 Organization: PMSN Message-ID: <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mup2046.ms.philips.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8541 Hello The subject Bee mites and mineral oil is very interesting. Can someone tell me how to get 'food grade mineral oil'? Who are the suppliers of such oil? Is the indication: 'food grade mineral oil' enough when ordering it, or is there also a special viscosity number to be given? thanks in advance Jan van Woezik Holland Article 8542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are they doing? Date: 12 Jun 1997 11:09:51 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 49 Message-ID: <01bc7721$2369e5a0$298cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <339F84C7.22CE@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 12 4:09:51 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8542 Anne J. Hacker wrote in article <339F84C7.22CE@voyager.net>... > Greetings from southcentral lower Michigan! > > I recently aquired some colonies that are very healthy,active, etc. With > the recent spurt of 80 degree weather, the hives have been roaring with > activity. > > Last night I was out after dark (looking for a dog) and noticed that > there were a number of bees hanging around the entrance of the hive. I > have two brood supers, queen excluder and a honey super on top. In some > cases they have begun to put honey in the honey super. Lots of brood, > nice pattern, etc. > > So what is the reason for the hanging out at the entrance? Are they > preparing to swarm. I don't find any swarm, supercedure or new queen > cells. Is it possible that they are simply cooling off the hive? The > hives are placed in an area that is sheltered on the west side, hive > entrance facing east, and with light shading on the south. > > Should I give them more room? Are they preparing to swarm? > Since you have noted NO swarm prep - the bees in your populous hive are just "hanging out on the front porch" to cool down. At times this is because of overcrowding but not always. If you have honey coming in just be sure to keep ahead of them. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: callen@msp.masterpack.com.au (Chris Allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping photos in JPG format Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:39:33 GMT Organization: Corinthian Internet Services, Sydney, Australia. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <339fde63.1493595@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva2.masterpack.com.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!brian.telstra.net!news.ci.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8543 Has any one got any beekeeping photos in JPG format. I want to dmonstrate use of the web to my local beekeeping club. Among other things I want to show how you can take a photo in JPG format and scale it up or down. Of course you all know where I **CAN** find lots of this kind of photos in this format (different topic). I would prefer to use examples a little closer to the topic under discussion. Article 8544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping photos in JPG format Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:10:15 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5np02o$80g$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <339fde63.1493595@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-200.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8544 A good start would bee at: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/WildBees/ Chris Allen wrote in article <339fde63.1493595@news>... >Has any one got any beekeeping photos in JPG format. Article 8545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.120.68.2!news.gwi.net!web.ddp.state.me.us!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie one to mission control: transfer initiated Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:06:46 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 76 Message-ID: <339F4BA6.CA1006FC@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-101.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8545 greetings, in case anyone's following my saga, i thought i'd share today's episode. besides you're the only people who would appreciate this sort of thing. my co-workers think i'm crazy for keeping bees. well, they thought i was crazy before this, but the bees didn't help. recap: newbie [me] with a 5 frame nuc in a cardboard carrier sitting in the yard under a lean to [the carrier, not me], while the new and newly painted d.e. hive dries. today's episode: hive has cured for almost 6 days in 80 to 95 degree weather. stuck my head in it and couldn't smell a thing except wood, so i figured it was ready for the colony. since my nuc frames won't fit in the d.e. hive, i had to rig a transfer platform. i used waffleboard with a whole jigged in the middle about an inch smaller on a side than the top of the carrier and legs cut just to the height of the carrier. [btw, in the past 10 days that the bees have been living in their substandard housing they have been busy as, well, bees. they seemed happy enough, although i'm sure they were cramped for space.] this evening after work i put on my new bee suit [i know, i know, overkill. but, hey, i'm new at this, and i wanted to be safe, not sorry. eventually, i'll convince someone to come and see my hive, and they can wear the suit, while i beekeep naked or something.] and began my mission. fully armored and sporting my new smoker [pine needles work great], i approached the cardboard carrier and gave it a couple of puffs. no activity as i placed the transfer stand on top of the carrier and positioned it. when i started cutting into the top of the carrier a few bees started buzzing about, but not many. but, when i finally peeled off the top of the carrier, man, the bees came boiling out of the hole right at me! what a sight! what an adrenaline rush! especially since my face was about a foot from the hole. i was REALLY glad i had a full suit on for this first-time experience. it's one of those new nylon ones from sherriff, and the bees never touched me. i mean, a few of them tried [i think, or else they just bumped into me as they buzzed about], but they couldn't get any purchase on the material. it really performed as advertised. and, since it was 90 degrees out when i did this, i was glad for the breathability of the material. anyway, a little more smoke [not much, didn't want to asphyxiate them], and i placed the new deep box with frames on the transfer platform. then the top, the vent box, the roof and that was it. the whole project took about 15 minutes. i watched the bees for a few minutes up close. there were quite a few around the entrance, fanning their wings like mad. flushing the smoke from the carrier, i assume. 15 minutes later, things were back to normal, as i watched the hive from my deck. i'm not certain, of course, but i don't think i killed a single bee, the whole process went so smoothly. now, i'll wait for a couple of days for some comb to be built up in the box. then, i'll go in again and, if i'm lucky, the queen will be laying on the new frames. if i'm not lucky, i'll have to find her in the carrier and transfer her. i expect that will generate a fair amount of activity, as well. then, i'll put the queen excluder between the carrier and the box. 3 weeks later i'll remove the carrier, set out the old frames nearby, so they can clean out the honey and pollen, and set up the hive in it's final form. i know this is old hat to the pros out there, but it was quite an experience for me [not that i was nervous or anything. nah.], and i thought i'd share it. also, if anybody has any advice for the next step [moving the queen], i'd love to hear it. thanks for reading. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leaf-cutter bee quries Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:32:45 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 165 Message-ID: <5nov9d$7qh$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <612437421wnr@paley.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-200.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8546 Hi Mike, The "leafcutter" bees we have here in California do not nest in the ground? They do cut small circular holes from garden plants, like roses, for nesting material.. But they are also very good pollinators and for the most part are not controled. You can find several nice pages on the net with all the information you need to know on these bees. I have attached one but am not sure it will make the trip as I know not what I do. ttul, the OLd Drone Breeder of the "killer" leaf cutter bee Mike Paley wrote in article <612437421wnr@paley.demon.co.uk>... >Apart from the actual leaf cut, do these bees damage plants in any >other way ? - They seem to be burying into plant pots and I'm concerned >about the plant roots. > >Do they pollenate plants like other bees ? Very good alfalfa pollinator and used commercially here by several growers. Demand for these bees can not bee met. >How long does it take for one of these "nests" to become empty (- when >the young has left) ? As the young hatch into adults new eggs are laid and in fact these bees increase very fast and new nest sites must be provided or they will seek natural sites. >Are they generall good for gardens or is it better for a garden if they >are deterred from staying around ? They do not hang around in large numbers in most gardens unless they have nest sites near by. They will cut many types of plants for nesting material. HollyHocks are my favoriate as the nesting board will take on the look of a coat of many colors. Here they do well in our warm dry temps and are flying real good right now. A box of soda straws cut in half makes two nice nesting boxes when placed out of the weather such as under the eve's of a shead or home. These bees seldom sting, and need not feed or care other then giving them a place to nest. They do get their own bee diseases, and can be bothered by parasites, but for the most part a box of straws will last many years and give much enjoyment watching the bees do their thing. begin 666 bee.htm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ewsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plans for building beehives Date: 12 Jun 1997 17:23:49 GMT Organization: mcloughlin-tighe Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bc7753$e3e29700$d7e6869f@raymond.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p216.letterkenny1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8548 Would anyone out there have detailed plans for building National or Commercial beehives specifying measurements and materials needed. The cost of buying hives here in Ireland are way over the top! Article 8549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping photos in JPG format Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:10:15 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5npce3$hlj$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <339fde63.1493595@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-200.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8549 A good start would bee at: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/WildBees/ Chris Allen wrote in article <339fde63.1493595@news>... >Has any one got any beekeeping photos in JPG format. Article 8550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!dante06.u.washington.edu!kfranck From: Kevin Franck Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seattle area enthusiast Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:53:26 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dante06.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: kfranck Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8550 Hello! My wife is looking for a beekeeper in the Seattle area who would allow her to observe and help out with the maintenance of a hive. Shs has never kept her own bees, but is very well read in the subject. Her intention is to keep bees in the Northeast in a few years. Also, are there any local organizations of beekeepers? Please reply to this e-mail address. Kevin Franck Article 8551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "raymond tighe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: building hives Date: 12 Jun 1997 21:47:05 GMT Organization: mcloughlin-tighe Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bc7779$1ae9a840$LocalHost@raymond.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p202.letterkenny1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8551 Would anyone out there have detailed plans for building National or Commercial beehives specifying measurements and materials needed. The cost of buying hives here in Ireland are way over the top! Ray Article 8552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: source for "digestible mineral oil" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:17:02 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33A0836E.2A31@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca16-04.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 12 6:21:56 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8552 I have been following Dr. Rodriguqez's info about this for awhile and today spent time trying to track this stuff down. I called all the big health food stores, the specialty health food vitamin stores and three pharmacies: nobody has it. Anyone out there have any luck locating a source? Does it come under another name? Thanks Article 8553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!ppp-93-2.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) X-Sender: anncat@bu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yes! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:19:23 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 65 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-93-2.bu.edu Reply-To: anncat@bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8553 Gloating message here... so dont read further unless you are interested. Ok. First time beekeeper here... one urban hive. After worrying about everything and trying my best to understand my bees needs {regular high fructose corn syrup feeding until this week when they stopped taking it, and bee patties with teramycin back when I first got themand worrying about the real cold Spring up here in the North} both my hive bodies are full of happy brood, pollen cells and honey. Today I added a queen excluder and super, as well as an " entrance" feeder for water as it went from cool to heat wave in a matter of days ( the bees seem to appreciate this, as they drank better than half of it). Now a few questions: 1)The bees are hanging out in a cluster in front of the hive in this 90 Deg " heat wave". Are they thinking about swarming, or just trying to cool off? They go back inside at night. There were NO swarm cells inside when I opened the hive this week. 2) IF they start filling the honey super, is is best for me to leave it for them as food for the Winter so I ( hopefully) have a strong colony next Spring, or can I harvest some as I'd really like to sample the results from their incredibly hard work. Bees are soooooooo amazing! I find myself just hanging out by the side of the hive and watching them coming and going and communicating with each other! Gloating over. It's only June and lots can happen before next Spring... I know. -I- -- /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" /^ ^ Y /o o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ I'm / "~" | Having A Bad Y _, | HARE /| ;-"~ _ l Day / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y > ) l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- ira_seskin@bmugbos.org (e- mail only... no attachments) iraseski@xensei.com (e-mail when sending attachements) http://www.xensei.com/users/iraseski "Live Free or Die" Article 8554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping photos in JPG format Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:10:15 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5nq6fc$91c$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <339fde63.1493595@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-103-32.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8554 A good start would bee at: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/WildBees/ Chris Allen wrote in article <339fde63.1493595@news>... >Has any one got any beekeeping photos in JPG format. Article 8555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rghall@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANTS!!ANTS!!ANTS!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:26:49 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33a09ffe.548824@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.188 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8555 I have two hives of bees and both are sitting atop an 8" concrete block. There is a streem of ants going up the outside corner of both. When I take the outside cover off I see that there is a LARGE number of them on top of the outside cover, especially near the corners. The bees seem to keep them out of the hive but eventually there are going to be so many I don't know if the bees can keep up with them. Both times that I've had the covers off since I discovered this I have scraped and shook all the ants off. But next time they're right back in there. My 80 year old mentor told me early on the pour motor oil around the base of my block to prevent ants. I did this about 2 months ago but it has rained here 18 out of the last 19 days so it may have washed it all away. Does anyone have any good advice on keeping these pests away without affecting my bees? Richard Hall Article 8556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mineral Oil in Britain Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706121839101972@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8556 *Posted over from the other group. ---------------------------------------- From: "luichart.woollens@virgin.net" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:10:51 +-100 Subject: Mineral Oil in Britain This may be of interest to British Beekeepers. Dr. Rodriguez's mineral oil is known in Britain as Liquid Paraffin. It is available in Chemist shops for about one pound sterling for about 150mls. It is also available from vets at about 4.50 pounds sterling for one litre. If anyone knows of a better supply please let me know. Harry Scotland --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Un Dia Tal Vez! (One Day Maybe) a full n^rd node. sp erro Article 8557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping FAQ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706121839101973@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 84 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8557 __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ : WILD BEE'S BBS Beekeeping Support BBS 209-826-8107 : : BEEKEEPING FAQ'S Beekeeper's Helping Beekeepers : : : : How to USE: : : : : To receive a Beekeeping FAQ via E-MAIL, send a message to : : to the FAQ name @beenet.com - For example, to get a copy : : of this message, (WILDBEES.FAQ), send a internet E-MAIL : : to: wildbees.faq@beenet.com ..To get a copy of the INDEX : : of APICULTURAL ISSUES AND ANSWERS newsletters (APINDEX) : : you would send E-MAIL to: apindex@beenet.com. : : : : Mail runs are 6am & 6pm, California time zone. 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Where the bee sucks, there suck I; --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ich ben en Bienenzuechter Article 8558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fletcher Miller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering Bees in Northern Climates Date: 12 Jun 1997 23:51:50 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bc7771$70295ce0$733460ce@miller.micronet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.52.115 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8558 I am interested in wintering bees in northern climates. What techniques do people in Northern Canada, Russia and Sweden use to improve wintering rates? Also what flowering plants are the bees accessing? Timothy Miller at timothym@unicom-alaska.com or Fletcher Miller at gmill@micronet.net Article 8559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.gte.net!news From: "D. Kersh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plans for building beehives Date: 13 Jun 1997 02:49:09 GMT Organization: GTE INS Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5nqcf5$65f$1@news.gte.net> References: <01bc7753$e3e29700$d7e6869f@raymond.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust77.max34.los-angeles.ca.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D10184040AD4D7DD15C68491 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) To: raymond tighe Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8559 raymond tighe wrote: > > Would anyone out there have detailed plans for building National or > Commercial beehives specifying measurements and materials needed. The cost > of buying hives here in Ireland are way over the top! Try this link for plans: Let me know if it's what you're looking for. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Doug ______________++______________ http://home1.gte.net/douglask douglask@gte.net Article 8560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!metro.atlanta.com!gestalt.direcpc.com!not-for-mail From: cnbisis@sprynet.com (C.Nelson Baird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ferris Texas Wild hive Anybody want it? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:57:04 GMT Organization: DirecPC Lines: 17 Message-ID: <33a1c6e4.98205453@news.direcpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hh1123218.direcpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8560 I have recently been out of town for three weeks. When I returned I find that a bee colony has adopted my drier vent as a hive location. 1) suggestions? 2) anybody want the hive? (you have to come and get it) Ferris is 30 miles south of Dallas, Tx. The bees appear to be quite docile. I first noticed a local abundance of bees when I brushed a tree and then noticed 10-15 bees in a 4 sq foot area at the flowers on the tree. They did NOT attack me. Email at cnbisis@sprynet.com or at NelsonBaird@soph.com Thanks. Article 8561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: building hives Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:25:06 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33A0CBA2.77C6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bc7779$1ae9a840$LocalHost@raymond.tinet.ie> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.134.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8561 raymond tighe wrote: > > Would anyone out there have detailed plans for building National > or > Commercial beehives specifying measurements and materials > needed. The cost > of buying hives here in Ireland are way over the top! > > Ray Take a look at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Nice drawing of Langstroth hives. Pete Article 8562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: beekeeping photos in JPG format Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:48:35 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <33a0ce0b.1470287@news.wn.com.au> References: <339fde63.1493595@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 43 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8562 On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:39:33 GMT, callen@msp.masterpack.com.au (Chris Allen) wrote: >Has any one got any beekeeping photos in JPG format. > >I want to dmonstrate use of the web to my local beekeeping club. >Among other things I want to show how you can take a photo in JPG >format and scale it up or down. > >Of course you all know where I **CAN** find lots of this kind of >photos in this format (different topic). I would prefer to use >examples a little closer to the topic under discussion. Hello Chris, There are links to a lot of jpg format pictures on my website (URL below) There are some particularly good step by step pictures of hiving a swarm on David Milley's page, link from my "swarm removal service" page. I don't use jpegs myself as I take advantage of the free "GIF Wizard" service, also linked to my website, which reduces the file size of GIF format pictures and facilitates much faster browser loading. There is also a nice little "slide show" which runs on computer and shows a series of interesting pictures. It is on one of my links, I think, if not send me an e-mail and I will find it for you and send you the URL. I find that Paint Shop Pro, available from most shareware outlets, does a great job of resizing images in most formats, and also does conversions, including batch conversions from one format to another. Hope this is of some help. Good luck with the demonstration. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANTS!!ANTS!!ANTS!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:06:13 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33A0C735.5F41@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <33a09ffe.548824@news.usit.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8563 rghall@usit.net wrote: > > I have two hives of bees and both are sitting atop an 8" concrete > block. There is a streem of ants going up the outside corner of both. > When I take the outside cover off I see that there is a LARGE number > of them on top of the outside cover, especially near the corners. The > bees seem to keep them out of the hive but eventually there are going > to be so many I don't know if the bees can keep up with them. Both > times that I've had the covers off since I discovered this I have > scraped and shook all the ants off. But next time they're right back > in there. My 80 year old mentor told me early on the pour motor oil > around the base of my block to prevent ants. I did this about 2 > months ago but it has rained here 18 out of the last 19 days so it may > have washed it all away. Does anyone have any good advice on keeping > these pests away without affecting my bees? > Richard Hall I put four 3/8" bolts 5 inches long throught the bottom board. These go into four tuna cans filled half way with old Ford truck oil. So the ants have to swim in oil to get to the hive. No ants have made it so far. I'm not sure however that this is really necessary as the bees seem to keep the ants out of the supers. Pete the supers Article 8564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANTS!!ANTS!!ANTS!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:36:28 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 54 Message-ID: <33A0C03C.1A71C91C@valley.net> References: <33a09ffe.548824@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-126.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8564 rghall@usit.net wrote: > I have two hives of bees and both are sitting atop an 8" concrete > block. There is a streem of ants going up the outside corner of both. > > When I take the outside cover off I see that there is a LARGE number > of them on top of the outside cover, especially near the corners. The > > bees seem to keep them out of the hive but eventually there are going > to be so many I don't know if the bees can keep up with them. Both > times that I've had the covers off since I discovered this I have > scraped and shook all the ants off. But next time they're right back > in there. My 80 year old mentor told me early on the pour motor oil > around the base of my block to prevent ants. I did this about 2 > months ago but it has rained here 18 out of the last 19 days so it may > > have washed it all away. Does anyone have any good advice on keeping > these pests away without affecting my bees? > Richard Hall if you want to kill them off, try placing a few 'Combat' [or equivalent] ant bait stations around the base of the concrete block, where you see the ants coming and going. they will take the poison bait back to the colony. in 2 or 3 weeks your problem should be gone. i've used them in my house and garage with great success. you will have to protect the bait stations from the rain, though. an inverted shoebox with access holes cut in it should work for the few weeks that you need to keep them in place. i don't think the bees will be attracted to the bait stations, but to play it safe, you might fashion little covers of screening over them. if you don't want to kill the ant colonies, you can try ringing the concrete blocks with 'sticky tape', the kind that's used to ring trees to kill gypsy moth caterpillars. you'll probably have to keep replacing it, though. ants are very persistent, once they've identified a food source. finally, you can play detective and track the ants back to their colony. the application of liquid insecticide directly on the opening [assuming they're in the ground] should also do the trick. sorry, but i don't know of any good ways to keep them away without killing the critters. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: ANTS!!ANTS!!ANTS!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:13:33 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <33a11887.20528548@news.wn.com.au> References: <33a09ffe.548824@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 54 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8565 On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:26:49 GMT, rghall@usit.net wrote: >I have two hives of bees and both are sitting atop an 8" concrete >block........ Does anyone have any good advice on keeping >these pests away without affecting my bees? >Richard Hall Hello Richard, I have a fair bit of acreage and half a dozen off-farm beeyards, so if a hive or hives are getting particularly distressed by ants I move the hives somewhere else. To get back to your problem, before I adopted this policy I decided to sort out the ant problem, and achieved some success. I normally stand my hives on 2'x2' garden slabs (concrete) to prevent termites from eating the hives. I live in the Mid West region of Western Australia, and we have no shortage of termites. I buy up the slabs with chipped corners etc. for next to nothing, as they have little attraction to people who want nice looking gardens.So, adapting the concrete slab approach I gathered some offcuts of steel, and cut out a base of about 2ft square. I cut some 2-3inch strips and welded them round the sides, angled out about 30 degrees or so, so that I had a piedish shaped container. I then welded a square of light angle iron in, with the ridge uppermost, and the ends mitred to fit. This square was 2-3 inches inside the rim. I sprayed diesel fuel over it and filled it with concrete. After a day or so you can tip it out carefully, and leave it a few more days to cure. The diesel fuel is to make it release easily. You then have a little concrete hive stand with a moat! Fill the moat with water, put a little thin oil on top to reduce evaporation and voila! an ant proof hive stand. Although this does work, it is a lot more effort than just moving the hives away when you have a lot of hives. With your two hives though, it might be a good practical solution. Hope this helps. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:37:16 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33a13ddb.2682290@news.netside.com> References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-84.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8566 Here in the United States in is sold in drug stores as an over-the-counter product (no prescription needed). You might find it in the drug section of a food or variety store. It is commonly used as a laxative. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: source for "digestible mineral oil" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:26:39 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33A1589F.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <33A0836E.2A31@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8567 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Anyone out there have any luck locating a > source? Does it come under another name? Thanks I can walk into any grocery store here, and go to the health and beauty aids section, and pick up a bottle of mineral oil. It is used as a laxative, and thus is meant for human consumption (digestable). -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 8568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yes! Date: 13 Jun 1997 17:28:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5ns00g$lp3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8568 In article , Ira Seskin wrote: > >Bees are soooooooo amazing! Bees are kewl! Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!sun4nl!fido.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!paley.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Paley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leaf-cutter bee quries Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:54:52 GMT Organization: Not organised yet Message-ID: <880437147wnr@paley.demon.co.uk> References: <612437421wnr@paley.demon.co.uk> <5nov9d$7qh$1@zinger.callamer.com> Reply-To: mike@paley.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: mike@paley.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: punt-2.mail.demon.net!paley.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Friday, Jun 13, 1997 12.13.06 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8569 In article: <5nov9d$7qh$1@zinger.callamer.com> "Andy Nachbaur" writes: :) You can find several nice pages on the net with all the information you :) need to know on these bees. I have :) attached one but am not sure it will make the trip as I know not what I :) do. I looked on the Web before asking in newsgroups. Seems to be ample on leaf-cutter ants though :) Your uuencoded file was a success and was a page I didn't find while searching the Web. From that page,: " Each cell is provisioned with a pollen mass moistened with nectar, onto which an egg is laid just before the cell is capped with 2 to 3 leaf pieces. " Does this mean the leaves are just nesting material rather than food? :) As the young hatch into adults new eggs are laid and in fact these bees :) increase very fast and new nest sites must be provided or they will seek :) natural sites. Are these new eggs laid in the same tunnels or are fresh tunnels always sought ? And you didn't say how long it takes for an egg to hatch and turn into a bee which is able to leave the "nest". -- Comm again, Mike. Milk floats and stainless steel sinks Ex Turnpike user. If you want to see the rest of this sig. file or find out more about me, have a look at http://www.paley.demon.co.uk/ [1997:4:20] Article 8570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANTS!!ANTS!!ANTS!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:36:05 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33A15AD5.309D@ix.netcom.com> References: <33a09ffe.548824@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-11.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 13 9:36:15 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8570 rghall@usit.net wrote: > > I have two hives of bees and both are sitting atop an 8" concrete > block. There is a streem of ants going up the outside corner of both. > When I take the outside cover off I see that there is a LARGE number > of them on top of the outside cover, especially near the corners. The > bees seem to keep them out of the hive but eventually there are going > to be so many I don't know if the bees can keep up with them. Both > times that I've had the covers off since I discovered this I have > scraped and shook all the ants off. But next time they're right back > in there. My 80 year old mentor told me early on the pour motor oil > around the base of my block to prevent ants. I did this about 2 > months ago but it has rained here 18 out of the last 19 days so it may > have washed it all away. Does anyone have any good advice on keeping > these pests away without affecting my bees? > Richard Hall I had a welder build stands for my two hives. The hives sit about 12" off the ground and each leg has a cylinder that can be filled with water. This is essentially a moat and ants can't cross it. During the summer due to evaporation we plan to add vegetable oil. We don't use motor oil because it's illegal to pour it on the ground as it will contaminate ground water and it's not necessary. I've had several people who gave up beekeeping (motor oil users and all) due to our large fire ant population. They've come out and looked at my design and wished that they had invested in a similar solution. Susan Article 8571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!agate!nntpfeed.doc.ic.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: 13 Jun 1997 17:57:25 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bc7766$3b5ab0a0$LocalHost@default> References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p59-dowither-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8571 Hi Jan, In Britain this oil is known as Liquid Paraffin and is available in Chemist shops. It is used in the treatment of constipation!! It is also available from Veterinary establishments. -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ J. van Woezik wrote in article <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com>... > Hello > > The subject Bee mites and mineral oil is very interesting. > Can someone tell me how to get 'food grade mineral oil'? > Who are the suppliers of such oil? > Is the indication: 'food grade mineral oil' enough when ordering it, or > is there also a special viscosity number to be given? > > thanks in advance > Jan van Woezik > Holland > Article 8572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!news1.netusa.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!206.138.105.38!news.unired.net.pe!usenet From: "Institute for Sustainable Agriculture in the Tropics" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please Help!!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:12:14 -0500 Organization: Institute for Sustainable Agriculture in the Tropics Lines: 40 Message-ID: <5nrunv$jkh@ucayali.unired.net.pe> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.4.207.100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0541.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0541.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8572 Hello, we are a NGO (non-governmental organization) working with sustainable agriculture (no petro-chemicals), mainly with organic coffee. We are now starting to work with medicinal herbs and are having some problems. We are located in the peruvian amazonia and would greatly appreciate your help. Thank You. 1.- Is there some type of virosis registered in "Chamomile"? 2.- Why do some species have a low germinative capacity? Is there any treatment for increasing their germinative capacity? 3.- What is the agent causing root rot in "Borage"? 4.- Is Helmintosporium registered attacking "Citronella Grass"? Why is this pathogen registered in "Lemon Grass"? 5.- Which is the fenological state to harvest Cintronela "Cymbopogon nardus"? How many cuts are needed during the year (before, during and after the spigate)? 6.- What is the correct way to harvest and what is the humidity loss percentage in "Cymbopogon citratus"? 7.- What is the registered fungus that causes root rot and foliage infection in "Borago officinalis" and what are the control measures of these pathogenes? 8 What is the difference between "Ruta Chalepensis" and "Ruta gabeolis"? Which is the commercial one? Thanks for your help, Maritza Moreno Development Coordinator e-mail: siat@net.cosapidata.com.pe http://www.cosapidata.com.pe/empresa/siat/siat.htm Telf./fax: (51-74) 731592 Article 8573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!supernews.com!Supernews!dial63.vip.net!user From: humnbird@vip.net (Patrick W. Burgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problems with VARROA or TRACHEAL MITES? The solution... Date: 14 Jun 1997 02:19:26 GMT Organization: Creative Service Development Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dial63.vip.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8573 The problem As you may know Varroa and Tracheal mite are fast becoming a major threat to the health, productivity and even survivability of the bee population around the World. European experience, in treating Varroa with fluvalinate based compounds has shown a declining effectiveness as mites become immune to its active ingredients. In addition, the controversy, in North America, over the possible health effects of these products, has resulted in a need for a more effective and lasting method of treatment. Fumigation has always been considered, by many, to be a better method of control because it destroys mites where other methods just can not penatrate, inside the sealed brood cells - were close to 85% of all mites are found. However, Exposure to strong acids and harsh vapours by both beekeepers and bees has always been a problem. Until now.... The Solution. Finally, after six years of research, development and refinement a patented Device which offers beekeepers a safe, effective and proven alternative method of Varroa and Tracheal mite control. To learn more about the superior effectiveness of this product, and information on where to obtrain one, drop us a line at humnbird@vip.net for a sBEE-dy reply Article 8574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.120.68.2!news.gwi.net!web.ddp.state.me.us!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yes! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:17:47 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <33A1E32B.3B33F276@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-119.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8574 it's great to read the exploits of another newbie. i can't answer your question about taking honey from the super [although, i'm planning to leave any honey my bees manage to place in a super for them, to be sure they have plenty for the winter. it's a long one up here in new hampshire [but you're in maine, right? so, you know about long winters.] unless they manage to fill more than one, which i doubt will happen.]. but, i'll take a crack at your other one below. Ira Seskin wrote: > Gloating message here... so dont read further unless you are > interested. > > 1)The bees are hanging out in a cluster in front of the hive in this > 90 > Deg " heat wave". Are they thinking about swarming, or just trying to > cool > off? They go back inside at night. There were NO swarm cells inside > when I > opened the hive this week. do you see them fanning their wings near the entrance to the hive? if so, then they're probably 'air conditioning' it. i've only got a nuc colony that's just moving in to their new home [transfer in progress], so i know they're not even thinking about swarming, and i've seen them doing that these last couple of days, when the temps were in the 90's. they also did it when i smoked them for the first time. kinda neat the way they just go ahead and do what's gotta be done at the moment. > Bees are soooooooo amazing! I find myself just hanging out by the > side of > the hive and watching them coming and going and communicating with > each > other! i know exactly what you mean. my property is rather secluded, but if any of my neighbors could see me, they'd think i was meditating in front of a white obelisk. which, in a way, i guess i am. > Gloating over. It's only June and lots can happen before next > Spring... I know. > good luck! i'd like to hear how your colony progresses. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!news.apk.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!194.108.168.3!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "pirions" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED HELP Date: 14 Jun 1997 02:48:24 GMT Organization: HiWAAY Information Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bc786f$03d93200$919693d0@philip> NNTP-Posting-Host: max10-145.hiwaay.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8575 HI, Ineed advise on one of my hives. I'm still new to beekeeping.Ihave an established hive that apparently the Queen died, quit laying, or got killed , in any case there is no eggs and only a few drone cells capped. there is no signs of the queen being superseded.Should I requeen or combine this hive with a small swarm I just caught that has a laying queen? If I combine them what is the best way? Thanks for any help Philip e-mail pirions@HIWAAY.net Article 8638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed honet Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:03:50 +0200 Organization: Kuai Connection Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33A6D185.3B7D36C7@kuai.se> References: <33A4FAFF.2639@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp28.kuai.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!stdio!uninett.no!sn.no!nntp.uio.no!funny.bahnhof.se!seunet!news2.swip.net!genius!hk-r!news.ifm.liu.se!news.lejonet.se!mcevans.tip.net.!newsfeed.tip.net!news.kuai.se!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8638 Jon Iverson wrote: > I' like a recipe for making creamed honey. Can you help ? Yep, there is information on my homepage. A step by step instruction on how to make a perfect creamed honey :-) -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@kuai.se http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ Article 8639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: ANTS!!ANTS!!ANTS!! Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <33a09ffe.548824@news.usit.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:11:36 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8639 Put some fresh mint on your inner cover. >==========rghall@usit.net, 6/12/97========== > >I have two hives of bees and both are sitting atop an 8" concrete >block. There is a streem of ants going up the outside corner of both. >When I take the outside cover off I see that there is a LARGE number >of them on top of the outside cover, especially near the corners. The >bees seem to keep them out of the hive but eventually there are going >to be so many I don't know if the bees can keep up with them. Both >times that I've had the covers off since I discovered this I have >scraped and shook all the ants off. But next time they're right back >in there. My 80 year old mentor told me early on the pour motor oil >around the base of my block to prevent ants. I did this about 2 >months ago but it has rained here 18 out of the last 19 days so it may >have washed it all away. Does anyone have any good advice on keeping >these pests away without affecting my bees? >Richard Hall dave macfawn NCR dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (803) 939-7409 Article 8640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question about comb utilization Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:38:15 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 60 Message-ID: <33A72DF6.6BC1CEB7@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v3-p-149.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8640 greetings, i'm in the process of transferring my bees from a 5 frame nuc carrier to their new hive. since the D.E. hive is not of standard dimensions [essentially square boxes], i've had to rig a transfer platform with the carrier on the bottom and a deep box above it. all has gone well so far. with the deep in place the bees started drawing comb on the new foundations [very beautiful to look at, btw]. once they had several frames about half drawn, i moved the queen up to the deep and put the queen excluder between it and the carrier. i checked on her today, and she's doing fine; i saw lots of eggs in the new comb. moving her up to the deep has drawn lots of workers up to the new frames, and their drawing comb even faster than before. that's the good news. the bad news, such as it is, is that they are also using the new comb to store honey. the queen's been limited to about 2 partially drawn frames for egg laying. when i checked on her today, i even saw her stick her head in a cell with honey in it, after which she cleaned herself in a manner befitting royalty and moved on in her search for available cells. here's my question: do the workers avoid using old cells for food storage after larvae have hatched from them? i ask this because i know that there were/are open cells in the heart of the carrier frames [the queen's been laying in a very nice circular pattern], so there's room in the carrier for them to store food. and, before i moved the queen to the deep box, none of the comb in it had been used for food storage. it looks like her presence in the box is drawing many of the workers to it, some of whom are busy drawing comb and servicing the queen, while the rest are now using the new comb to store food [appears to be exclusively honey at this point]. maybe there are pheromones in the old brood cells that discourage workers from using them after they're empty? i figure it will all even out in the end, although i'm sure she's not laying at capacity right now. i expect that in a couple of days there will be plenty of comb for everybody. probably should have waited longer before moving the queen, but there looked to be plenty of comb and i thought her presence would, via pheromones, sort of 'mark' that territory for brood rearing. maybe she was only able to mark the part in which she's currently laying? just wondered if anybody had any ideas on why they're avoiding the old comb, and if they'll eventually utilize it all for storage. now, i don't know for a FACT that they're not using it, because i don't want to disturb the colony any more than necessary, and peeking into the carrier involves moving everything, including the transfer platform. maybe they've already filled it, and i'm catching them during a flow? [would be my first] everything's blooming around here now [new hampshire], as spring has sprung with a vengeance. all comments heartily appreciated. thanks, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "newbie" Subject: Re: Wintering Bees in Northern Climates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bc7771$70295ce0$733460ce@miller.micronet.net> <01bc7983$5810bd60$2980a19d@default> Message-ID: <01bc7adf$7211dc00$db4f22cf@vos.connect.ab.ca> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp219.connect.ab.ca Date: 16 Jun 97 23:21:53 GMT Lines: 71 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!uwm.edu!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news.agtac.net!skylite.connect.ab.ca!ppp219.connect.ab.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8641 francis wrote in article <01bc7983$5810bd60$2980a19d@default>... > > > Fletcher Miller schrieb im Beitrag > <01bc7771$70295ce0$733460ce@miller.micronet.net>... > > I am interested in wintering bees in northern climates. What techniques > do > > people in Northern Canada, Russia and Sweden use to improve wintering > > rates? > > Also what flowering plants are the bees accessing? > > Hi, > I've just read an newspaper article about beekeeping in Finland. There they > are keeping bees even north of the polar circle. They are using polyfoam > (styropor) Langstroth hives and hibernate them in rows under a sort of > tunnel in order to protect them from winds and snow load. > The hives have to be protected during winter time with sheet iron against > woodpeckers and, in some areas, by electric fences against bears! > > The following plants were listed as nectar sources: > dandelion, raspberry, rape, clover varieties, rose-bay, and heather. > > francis > > Hi. We winter 40-50 hives per year around Edmonton Alberta where winter temps. occasionally reach -40 degrees F. We leave the hives in the same location year-round if we can-behind a thick stand of trees to protect from the cold north wind. In Sept. or early Oct. we push two hives tightly together (some people group 4 hives together) and wrap R-12 fiberglass insulation around both hives holding it lightly in place with a few long staples from a hand staple gun. We are careful to leave the bottom entrance clear (reduced to 2 inch screened opening to keep out mice) and the top vent-entrance clear (1 inch or so opening in the top inner cover). We then cover the inner covers with a blanket of R-12. We then wrap the insulated hives with a single layer of black plastic stapling the plastic all around the bottom of the bottom boards and one row of staples up the front of the hives (where the plastic overlaps). We fold the remaining plastic over the top of the hives and place the hive lids (insulated also) over the plastic over each hive. A rock or brick on top keeps the lids on all winter. Again when wrapping with the plastic we are carefull to leave the top and bottom openings clear. (staple plastic tightly around openings) Over the top opening we staple a slight windbreak- simply a partly folded piece of waxed cardboard or something similar to form a vertical V 3 or 4 inches long that will keep direct wind out but still let the bees come and go at will. We have wintered colonies like this 2 and 3 deep supers high with good success(usually about 10% loss) which I believe is ok. Someone once told us to insulate our bees with honey(make sure they have a lot of stores going into winter). This seems to be good advice and we try to leave all three (or two) supers as full of honey as the bees will pack in near the end of August or early Sept. This has worked ok for us but as most beekeepers we have met we are always open to new suggestions and comments and would welcome any feedback from readers of this group. Also one question for anyone...can you suggest a good software program for keeping records on your bees?? A word processing program works but there must be something available more suitable for beekeeping? This is our first posting on this group-hope we helped someone and thanks for any replies. Ray and Valerie Vos > > Article 8642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:32:29 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33a7d2e0.5168119@news.netside.com> References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> <33a13ddb.2682290@news.netside.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-89.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8642 Paraffin oil is the same stuff as mineral oil. You will often find this name used in the wood finishing trade. (See "Understanding Wood Finishing" by Bob Flexner at page 182.) I'm in the United States, and I don't know which usage is more common in other countries. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!eerie.fr!cnusc.fr!ciril.fr!univ-lille1.fr!jussieu.fr!oleane!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:51:34 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> <33a13ddb.2682290@news.netside.com> <33A30FB2.446D@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: am172.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8643 In article <33A30FB2.446D@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, Pete Wolcott wrote: > Nick, > I would guess by what I can find, that "liquid paraffin would be what > we call Kerosene. Kerosene is used for camp stoves and heaters. You > would never think of giving it to bees or drinking it. Mineral oil is > a highly refined petroleum oil, used as a laxative and is sold in > drug stores (Pharmacies). Your pharmacist will know for sure. > Pete > Thanks for the help Pete but other postings indicate that my supposition is correct. "Liquid paraffin" is a viscous clear liquid which is used for constipation! -- Nick ZFC Cd nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk _ _______________ |___|______________|__ _/|____________________/______________ A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive Using 1.14 Article 8644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!204.177.184.15!everest.iserv.net!news From: duane@x-celtransport.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-L Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:29:30 GMT Organization: Iserv.net, Grand Rapids, MI, USA Lines: 2 Message-ID: <33a8364c.27959467@news.iserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.114.39.11 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8644 Does anybody have any info about BEE-L, I have been trying to subscribe and am having no success at all. Article 8645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering Bees in Northern Climates Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:03:00 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <33A88544.C457BD70@valley.net> References: <01bc7771$70295ce0$733460ce@miller.micronet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8645 Fletcher Miller wrote: > I am interested in wintering bees in northern climates. What > techniques do > people in Northern Canada, Russia and Sweden use to improve wintering > rates? > Also what flowering plants are the bees accessing? > Timothy Miller at timothym@unicom-alaska.com > or Fletcher Miller at gmill@micronet.net greetings, you might want to check out: http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ he keeps bees in sweden using styrofoam hives. lots of good pics and info. my hive supplier from ontario recommends placing 2 inches of insulation in the roof and wrapping the entire hive in 2 layers of black roofing felt. being black it absorbs heat from sunlight in the winter. since i live in new hampshire, i'll be trying that this winter, my first for overwintering bees.. good luck. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind Of Bees to Choose? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:13:31 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 50 Message-ID: <33A887BB.30C40428@valley.net> References: <19970614210001.RAA11957@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8646 N4ssd wrote: > Hello fellow beekeepers, > I am a hobbyist beekeeper in the state of Tennessee. My first > experience > with bees were 3 banded Italians. These bees did quite well. Then, I > had > Buckfast Bees in another hive. They did well too. Now, I am hearing > about ARS-Y-C-1 bees. Can anyone tell me more about these bees, > characteristics, color, mite resistance, etc? What is the meaning of > ARS-Y-C-1 ? Are these "super bees?" Are they preferred to Italians? > I > suppose the search for the perfect bee continues and everyone has > their > particular favorite. Does one have to purchase so called "mite > resistant" > bees to have mite resistant stock, or are some standard Italian bees > mite > resistant too? I have enjoyed the standard "3 band Italian bees" but > was > wondering if I was just hanging on to tradition or if they are still > just > as good as ever? Thanks for reading and responding to my inquiry. > > Blessings on you and your bees! > Rev. Fred B. Hembree, Jr. > n4ssd@aol.com greetings, reverend. i'm just a newbie to beekeeping, but i went with buckfast hybrids. after reading everything i could about bees, they were my first choice, and i was lucky enough to find a local beekeeper who sold me an excellent nuc. i can't compare them firsthand to other breeds, but i can tell you that they are prolific, very hard working, and VERY gentle. they have been most tolerant [maybe forgiving is a better word] of this novice's on-the-job training. maybe all domestic bees are this gentle; i don't know. if they are, then my hat goes off to bee breeders everywhere. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!chi-news.cic.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Cool Date: 19 Jun 1997 03:15:55 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970619031500.XAA19453@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc7b5e$1973e820$d618f990@BOGANSRJ.apci.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8647 What do you need a solar powered fan on a beehive for? Hot air still rises- put some bottlecaps between the inner and telescope cover or a matchstick between the supers. Spend the money you save on improving your library of bee books or buy a new set of coveralls and take someone beekeeping with you. Article 8648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:26:44 +0100 Message-ID: <199706181726.SAA02340@apis.demon.co.uk> X-Mail2News-User: gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: punt-2.mail.demon.net!apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8648 : Thanks for the help Pete but other postings indicate that my supposition is : correct. "Liquid paraffin" is a viscous clear liquid which is used for : constipation! Our (Britain's) use of the word paraffin is historic and now rather confusing. You're right, of course... Food Grade Mineral Oil -- IS -- Liquid paraffin -- IS -- the stuff to use, Kerosene -- is -- 'paraffin' -- is NOT the stuff to use. -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Gordon's Apis Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. Article 8649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: here's a cure for sticking hive boxes Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:09:41 +0100 Message-ID: <199706181909.UAA02385@apis.demon.co.uk> X-Mail2News-User: gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: punt-2.mail.demon.net!apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8649 Petroleum Jelly is popular, too. -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Gordon's Apis Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. Article 8650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!194.87.0.28!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:42:39 -0600 From: Visel7@Juno.com Subject: Re: Bee Cool Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <866559161.8323@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <5o0sbb$i4j$1@excalibur.flash.net> <5o4sgg$o2i$1@news.rapidnet.net> X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 17 14:52:41 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 198.81.195.100 (sundown.snds.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win16; I) X-Authenticated-Sender: Visel7@Juno.com Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8650 Another approach that is a tad cheaper (Beekeepers? Cheap? Nah!) is to just cut a square in the bottom board and cover it with screen. Prop up the outer cover with a rock or stick under it to allow airflow through! In article <5o4sgg$o2i$1@news.rapidnet.net>, ccgammon@rapid.net.net wrote: > > >>>EMAILING INSTRUCTION IN SIGNATURE<<< > > "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> wrote: > > Has anyone tried the beehive ventilator product named Bee Cool or a > simular item? It is a solar powered ventilator place on top of the > hive. > The ads make some intresting claims and sounds somewhat possible. > > Victor: > > All I do is make up a box equal to the horizontal dimensions of the > bee boxes - i.e. 16.5"x20", reinforce the corners to prevent warping > and screen over the opening that will serve as the bottom with regular > window screen. Then I drill a series of 1/2- to 1-inch holes into all > four sides. > > This goes on top of the topmost hive box and under the lid. The hot > air will naturally rise up through the screening, into the ventilation > box and out the holes that ahve been drill into the sides of the box. > > We have found that the bees do not have to "employ" quite so many bees > in ventilation duties, can apply more effort into dehydrating the > nectar into honey and can forage much, much more, thus resulting in > improved honey production. > > Hope this helps. > > Craig Gammon -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!goldenapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!usenet From: pf13@cornell.edu (arno) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Old Bee Journals 1884 onward Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 18:01:25 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 3 Sender: pf13@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <5o988m$bs7@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8651 If you're interested in a list of old beekeeping journals for sale (cheap!), please email me at pf13@cornell.edu. Titles from England, Ireland, Egypt, France, Australia, Sweden, Germany, USA. Some vols. bound, most not. Article 8652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!204.152.114.175!stdio!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: catching swarms with vacum cleener Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:03:49 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8652 Does anyone have experience in catching swarms with vacum cleener. I am thinking of using 3 - 4" PVC hard tubing conected to flexible tube having a 5 gallon container to collect the bees installed between the collecting tube and the vac. Knut Pedersen Bergen Norway Article 8653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning diseased hives? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:28:50 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33A4DD22.3CE4@starpoint.net> References: <33a4b2a1.8116212@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8653 Barry Richards wrote: > > Any suggestions on cleaning used hives I suspect may have been exposed > to foulbrood? I understand hive parts should be boiled in lye-water > for twenty minutes. What is the best method for safely doing this? > > Barry Richards > brich@nashville.net Hi Barry Cleaning hives that have infected with American foul brood (AFB) is very risky. If you have colonies now you can infect your health colonies with it if your cleaning process did not work, or worse a neighbors hives. I would take the frames that look like they have AFB and let an experienced beekeeper look at them to see if it is really AFB and not from parasitic mite syndrome (PMS), the too look similar in appearance. Another way is look in the book The Hive and the Honey bee, it explains how to test for AFB using milk. I only seen it once and we burned the hive that had it, the only safe method. It also has the smell of rotten fish. I had recently bought some boxes that had no comb in the frames, and was uncertain with them, I didn't use the frames and I torched the insides of the boxes. If I knew if they had AFB for sure I would burn it all and not take the chance. Good luck Elroy Article 8654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tomasz Karski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers from Poland Date: 19 Jun 1997 14:13:15 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bc7cb9$dd44d140$7b373bc1@tomkar.man.lublin.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: herold-s3.man.lublin.pl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.radio.cz!news.icm.edu.pl!uw.edu.pl!news.nask.pl!lublin.pl!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8654 On Sunday 1997/06/22 bee-keepers from one of the biggest beekeepers' association in south-easter of Poland met in a apiary of friend Jozef Jasina at the address: 31 Laury Street in Lublin. The bee-keepers from this region interested in enter into correspondence and commercial agreements with bee-keepers from all the world on the differrents subjects for exemple: queens culture, apiary economy, touring economy, and commercial economy etc. J'm giving an address for which one can send correspondence: Jozef Jasina ul. Harnasie 7/59 20-857 Lublin POLAND or on the address from internet. Kind reqards to all bee-keepers and quests of this letter. 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Uffen, Ph.D Professor Emeritus Michigan State University Article 8656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net!newssrv.ita.tip.net!nnrpsrv.ita.tip.net!not-for-mail From: md12080@mdnet.it (Simoncini Mario) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa. Some personal questions. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:14:41 GMT Organization: news.mdnet.it Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33a9931f.4061577@news.mdnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.244.56.48 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8656 First of all, sorry for my bad english. J' m italian and in my country the Varroa is causing many damages to the beekeeepers; for me it is difficult to understand the origin of this mite. J mean, we all know the story of this acarus: it was discovered and described by Jacobson on the beginning of this century, but, surely, it is present since millions of years and the bee too. In all articles about this mite it is written that till 20-30 years ago it lived in the Far East and it was the parasite of the Apis cerana that could "clean up" and put away the parasite. 20-30 years ago the mite changed uses and began to parasite also the Apis ligustica that isn't able to drive away the Varroa. This is the "official" story that is possible to found in the books, but for me there are some strange points. For instance 20-30 years is a time so short in front of the life of mite (millions of years) and is it possible that in that short time Varroa could cause so many problems ?! Why didn't the mite made them before? Ok, now we have transports, we can purchase and sell bees in all over the world and also the mite can move very quickly, but anyway, for me, there is something strange Second point: we know (all books say it) that without any treatments a family of bees in two or maximum three years will be destroyed, but, think, in this case also the parasite will die. We are complitely sure that without any medicine all families of bees would die or instead there would be created a family of strong bees able to resist to the mite? What do you think about this? Mario Simoncini Mario md12080@mdnet.it Article 8657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: here's a cure for sticking hive boxes Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:24:01 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <33A5D968.2532A250@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 3.02 Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8657 In article <33A5D968.2532A250@valley.net>, bill greenrose writes >greetings, > >i posted about a week ago that i had painted the top and bottom edges of >all my hive components [latex paint] to help prevent the wood from >rotting, due to water seeping between them. my concern was that the >components would all stick to each other, snip >i had already bought some food grade mineral oil, Snip > i took a >paper towel, soaked it in the mineral oil, and applied a thin film to >all the edges. today, when i checked on her majesty [doing fine, >thank-you-very-much], everything separated very easily, with virtually >no sticking. i figure an application every couple of weeks should keep >things lubricated. > >hope this helps someone in a similar situation to mine. > >bill > Another method is to give adjoining surfaces, and the tops of the frames (before installing in the hive) a good brushing with petroleum jelly (vaseline) or rub with a (carnuba wax) candle. The bees don't appear to be bothered by it, but do not build brace comb or propolise the surfaces. -- Tom Speight Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/ Article 8658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!heliodor.demon.co.uk!heliodor.demon.co.uk!liz From: Liz Harlaar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dying bees Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:45:28 +0100 Organization: Topaz Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: heliodor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: heliodor.demon.co.uk [194.222.38.183] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8658 Hiya folks, A friend of mine has problem with his bees that he can't solve and would welcome ideas on. He's been keeping bees happily for 20+ years on the family farm in East Anglia (UK). He currently has 5 hives (I think). The problem The bees appear to be falling comatose in significant numbers from a Cotoneaster tree (about 15ft tall) and losing their lower segments in the process, as he put it they are losing their bottoms. He is very distressed by the unexplained loss. Any theories? There are no obvious pests or infections that he is aware of. Emails appreciated please, just in case I miss any posted answers. Sorry if my terminology is out, I'm more of an engineer than a biologist. Thanks -- Liz Harlaar **** Philosophy is great, if you can afford it*** Article 8659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!demos!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!uanet.kharkov.ua!news.kharkiv.net!babaj!news From: "æÏÍÉÎ òÕÓÌÁÎ" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.household,relcom.commerce.jobs,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.products,relcom.commerce.talk,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce.construction,ukr.commerce.food,ukr.commerce.household Subject: ðÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÃÉÑ É ÏÂÅÚÚÁÒÁÖÉ×ÁÎÉÅ ÍÏÌÏËÁ Date: 19 Jun 1997 18:58:33 GMT Organization: ïïï "îðð "äÁÊÒÉ" Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bc7ce2$bef4d220$0c9d2cc2@--------> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp4.lincom.kharkov.ua X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.household:58006 relcom.commerce.jobs:18900 relcom.commerce.machinery:93389 relcom.commerce.talk:8369 sci.agriculture:20409 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8659 üÌÅËÔÒÏÐÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÔÏÒÙ-ÏÂÅÚÚÁÒÁÖÉ×ÁÔÅÌÉ ÍÏÌÏËÁ (ÔÕÂÅÒËÕÌÅÚ, ÂÒÕÃÅÌÌÅÚ, ÌÅÊËÏÚ), ÁÎÁÌÏÇÉ ÉÍÅÀÔÓÑ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÚÁ ÒÕÂÅÖÏÍ (ÇÏÒÁÚÄÏ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÄÏÒÏÇÉÅ É Ó ÎÅÓÅÒÔÉÆÉÃÉÒÏ×ÁÎÎÙÍÉ ÒÅÖÉÍÁÍÉ ÐÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÃÉÉ É ÏÂÅÚÚÁÒÁÖÉ×ÁÎÉÑ), ÎÉÚËÉÊ ÒÁÓÈÏÄ ÜÌÅËÔÒÏÜÎÅÒÇÉÉ, ëðä ÕÓÔÁÎÏ×ÏË ÄÏÓÔÉÇÁÅÔ 85-92%. ðÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÔÅÌØÎÏÓÔØ - ÏÔ 300 ÌÉÔÒÏ×/ÞÁÓ ÄÏ 3000 ÌÉÔÒÏ×/ÞÁÓ. òÁÚÒÁÂÏÔËÁ ÉÎÓÔÉÔÕÔÁ ÖÉ×ÏÔÎÏ×ÏÄÓÔ×Á õááî É èÁÒØËÏ×ÓËÏÇÏ ÉÎÓÔÉÔÕÔÁ ËÌÉÎÉÞÅÓËÏÊ ×ÅÔÅÒÉÎÁÒÉÉ. õÓÔÁÎÏ×ËÁ ÎÁÇÒÁÖÄÅÎÁ ÚÏÌÏÔÏÊ ÍÅÄÁÌØÀ ÷äîè óóóò. éÍÅÀÔÓÑ ÒÁÚÒÅÛÅÎÉÑ ÎÁ ÐÒÉÍÅÎÅÎÉÅ íÉÎÚÄÒÁ×Á õËÒÁÉÎÙ É ÷ÅÔÓÁÎÎÁÄÚÏÒÁ. õÓÌÕÇÉ ÐÏÓÒÅÄÎÉËÏ× ÏÐÌÁÞÉ×ÁÀÔÓÑ. ðÏ ×ÏÐÒÏÓÁÍ ÏÂÒÁÝÁÔØÓÑ å-mail dairy@lincom.kharkov.ua ÉÌÉ tel/fax (0572) 95-35-05, 27-43-69. Article 8660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!news.enter.net!usenet From: bedwarm@SPAMBLOCK.cryogen.com (Bobby Tendinitis) Newsgroups: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Subject: Give the Bumblebee his own show! Date: 20 Jun 1997 00:46:26 GMT Organization: Bobby Tendinitis' House of Blues Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7-9.enter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:15943 alt.tv.simpsons:174035 alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy:3789 soc.culture.mexican:81859 soc.culture.mexican.american:25889 soc.culture.spain:149418 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8660 alt.music.korn:1043 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:64149 alt.fan.ok-soda:3628 I think if ever there was a Simpsons spin-off, they'd have to give it to the Mexican bumblebee guy (I know he has a name besides that, but I forget right now). I could very easily watch a half-hour long episode of lines like "El Yo-yo is grande!" and "Aye Chihuahua!". He's got to be the most underrated character on the show, and there's so much potential for developing his character even further. -Bobby T. Article 8661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa. Some personal questions. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:14:11 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 110 Message-ID: <33A9D963.88E5211@valley.net> References: <33a9931f.4061577@news.mdnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8661 Simoncini Mario wrote: > First of all, sorry for my bad english. > J' m italian and in my country the Varroa is causing many damages to > the beekeeepers; for me it is difficult to understand the origin of > this mite. J mean, we all know the story of this acarus: it was > discovered and described by Jacobson on the beginning of this century, > > but, surely, it is present since millions of years and the bee too. > In all articles about this mite it is written that till 20-30 years > ago it lived in the Far East and it was the parasite of the Apis > cerana that could "clean up" and put away the parasite. > 20-30 years ago the mite changed uses and began to parasite also the > Apis ligustica that isn't able to drive away the Varroa. This is the > > "official" story that is possible to found in the books, but for me > there are some strange points. For instance 20-30 years is a time so > short in front of the life of mite (millions of years) and is it > possible that in that short time Varroa could cause so many problems > ?! Why didn't the mite made them before? > Ok, now we have transports, we can purchase and sell bees in all over > the world and also the mite can move very quickly, but anyway, for me, > > there is something strange > Second point: we know (all books say it) that without any treatments a > > family of bees in two or maximum three years will be destroyed, but, > think, in this case also the parasite will die. > We are complitely sure that without any medicine all families of bees > would die or instead there would be created a family of strong bees > able to resist to the mite? > What do you think about this? > > Mario Simoncini > Mario > md12080@mdnet.it hello, mario. you're questions are good ones, and i will try to answer them clearly. First question: you are correct about the abilities of modern transportation to quickly spread both beneficial and non-beneficial creatures. even though the varroa mite has been around for a long time, it was isolated to it's 'native' environment by natural barriers, oceans, deserts, mountains, etc. so, it established a natural balance with its host species, the asian bee. but, it doesn't take long for an organism, once removed from it's natural predators and other environmental controls to increase its population very quickly. at the same time, it can destroy completely other organisms that have no natural defenses against the newly introduced species. it happens all the time in the plant kingdom, for example. on some of the hawaiian islands, over 80% of the native species have been replaced by introduced plants and animals. when the st. lawrence seaway was completed to the Great Lakes between canada and the united states, the lamprey eel, which had never been seen in the lakes, migrated very quickly into the lakes and almost wiped out several species of fish, including the most popular game fish. so, you see, it can happen very quickly. an environment that has been stable for thousands of years can be terribly disrupted and many species damaged or destroyed completely in only a few, short years. question 2: you are correct in principle. in any population there are usually a few individuals, who have enough genetic variability from the main population that they will be immune, either totally or partially, against a given environmental stress that is newly introduced. this stress could be a change in climate, food source, predators, parasites - almost anything. the small sub population of survivors will then be able to reproduce and eventually, under the right circumstances, regrow a whole population. however, this assumes 2 things. first, the environmental stress is not 100% fatal. mankind is a good example of an environmental stress that has proven to be 100% fatal for thousands of species. it's hard to adapt to bullets, nets, etc. drastic climatic change is another stress that is often 100% fatal. just ask the dinosaurs [i know some of them 'survived' in their decedents, like birds, but i'm talking about distinct species, not evolution.] bacteria that become immune to antibiotics are example of organisms that adapt to environmental stresses that are not 100% fatal. second, there must be enough survivors, with enough genetic diversity, to successfully reproduce the species. the american bison was almost made extinct by mankind, and was salvaged from only a few small herds. they are genetically very similar. without mankind's intervention, they could easily be wiped out by disease, for example, because they are all so alike. so, yes, somewhere colonies of european honey bees probably are 'immune' ['able to tolerate' is probably a better choice of words] to the varroa mite. bee breeders all over the world are trying right now to find those strains of bees and cross breed them to produce a new strain that all of us can use. but, finding them takes time. finally, an irony for beekeepers everywhere is the fact that the varroa mite, itself, is an excellent example of an adaptive organism. it is gradually becoming resistant to the chemicals that are being used right now to kill them in beehives. for the varroa, physical controls, like the use of mineral oil, which clogs their breathing holes and suffocates the mite, may ultimately prove more effective than chemical controls. i hope all of this makes sense and answers your questions. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.71.16.13!newsfeed.sover.net!granite.sover.net!geoewald From: George Ewald Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: flowers bees don't like Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:01:43 -0400 Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <866294233.14666@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: granite.sover.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <866294233.14666@dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8662 echinacea, daylily, daisy, foxglove, clematis, columbine, coriopsis, amaranth, camomile, dianthus, gypsophila, hollyhock, iris, marigold, primrose, scabiosa, rudbeckia, sedum, spurge to name a few. On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 debra.eisert@ohionet.org wrote: > Hello! One of my library patrons would like to plant a garden in a > preschool. Due to various concerns, she would like to use flowers > that bees DON'T like. A search of the available literature didn't help > me. So, I thought I'd ask the experts -- you all! > > Could you make recommendations to this teacher? > > Please reply to me at debra.eisert@ohionet.org > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet > > Article 8663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33A9CF14.6BA8@povn.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:30:12 -0400 From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flowers bees don't like Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.81.245 Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dsource.com!206.96.81.245 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8663 Add to the list: bluebells, lilacs, buffalo currents, asiatic lilies, tiger lilies, bleeding hearts and lupines. Article 8664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!news.apk.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!165.113.1.74!nnrp1.crl.com!not-for-mail From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: catching swarms with vacum cleener Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:10:27 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33ab0204.3680865@nnrp1.crl.com> References: Reply-To: mjensen@crl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: crl10.crl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8664 My bees tell me nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) wrote: >Does anyone have experience in catching swarms with vacum cleener. >I am thinking of using 3 - 4" PVC hard tubing conected to flexible tube >having a 5 gallon container to collect the bees installed between the >collecting tube and the vac. You need to have a speed control on the vacuum motor. Most vacuums at full speed will kill the bees. I use a variac which allows a variable voltage to set a lower speed, about 1/3 full voltage. Mark Jensen Ph 415 941-2254 Fax 415 941-3488 26225 Purissima Rd., Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 Voice mail 415 482-9848 E-mail mjensen@crl.com Article 8665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.232.174.12!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!news.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: rwg@scienceguide.com (Robert Georgantas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Ag News & Information Date: 19 Jun 1997 20:18:56 GMT Organization: The Science Guide Lines: 89 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.129.30.175 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:20415 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8665 sci.agriculture.fruit:893 sci.agriculture.poultry:2927 sci.agriculture.ratites:847 Announcing the SCIENCE GUIDE. http://www.scienceguide.com A New Internet Directory and Information Service run by Scientists and for Scientists and Physicians. 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Article 8666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:40:58 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33AA340A.26BC@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-26.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8666 Hello, I'm interested in the systems being used to collect royal jelly from hives. I've seen a device sold by EH Thorne for collecting rj, but I would like to know more about the hive manipulations required to produce a decent quanity. Any pointers or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Paul Article 8667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@REMOVEglam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Welsh black bees Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:22:31 +0000 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <01bc7693$31f2d840$f1c448c2@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 334 522 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8667 In article <01bc7693$31f2d840$f1c448c2@default>, "Gervase Chavasse" wrote: >I am renovating an old barn in Gwynedd and have been trying to destroy a >large bees nest which has been there for many years. Having just seen a >news item on Welsh TV I think they may be Welsh black bees which are >apparently rare and need to be preserved. Does anyone want to take them >away for me? You may not be able to move the bees. There are cases where a bee nest itself is protected. So be careful. If you can give me more details, I can raise the issue with our local beekeepers association. Mike -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCPAzBVX74AAAEEANXA10mBmyoaLrU7aYz/8o93VaY4p+cJl+eAK0pIt/m9X1nK Drv/edboaWLxnx2L3L8Er/qRt1au+gk4FWE591zx6jv2TrJvWqBm/zQkaEnt9Pgk sgfjDleH8PoIuIJCC9I5jum1hObddewhcfvk8m8lUXn7bRlNfqmJI3HrZ0ddABEB AAG0Hk1pa2UgUmVkZHkgPG1yZWRkeUBnbGFtLmFjLnVrPg== =xTit -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Article 8668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: REMOVEcdg1@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: catching swarms with vacum cleener Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:02:29 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5od9ud$srh@chronicle.concentric.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d22.alq-nm.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8668 nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) wrote: >Does anyone have experience in catching swarms with vacum cleener. >I am thinking of using 3 - 4" PVC hard tubing conected to flexible tube >having a 5 gallon container to collect the bees installed between the >collecting tube and the vac. >Knut Pedersen >Bergen >Norway Knut: There is a very good construction article in the May 1997 Bee Culture Magazine on building a bee Vac attachment. Why re-invent the thing ? TEW, the author is on staff at Ohio State University. Build, & Use This Honey Bee Vacuum Page 41 May 1997 Issue Owning a vacuuming system can be a real advantage if you remove bees or collect swarms. This one works well and is easy to make. by James E. Tew http://www.airoot.com/bee.htm I have used a device almost exactly like the one in this article and it worked well. Charles To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my email address. Article 8669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!europa.clark.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New boy on the block Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:45:24 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33AA7B64.7D79@bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8669 Hi all, I've just found this newsgroup so I though I'd sign up and ask a question. Conventional wisdom says that if I collect a swarm putting most of the bees in an upturned box and after 40 to 60 minutes all of the bees are in the box then I have succeeded in collecting the queen as well. This is what I did 3 weeks ago now but there is still no sign of eggs or queen in the hive where I have established this swarm. This has never happened with the many other swarms I have taken and I can't think what has gone wrong in this case. Any ideas? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} Adrian.Kyte.3310836@bnf.ca [work] beeman@enterprise.net [home] Article 8670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!uninett.no!pravda.tisip.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:41:13 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 35 Message-ID: <33AB0709.F10@iet.hist.no> References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> <33a13ddb.2682290@news.netside.com> <33A30FB2.446D@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8670 Nick Cooke wrote: > = > In article <33A30FB2.446D@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, Pete Wolcott > wrote: > > Nick, > > I would guess by what I can find, that "liquid paraffin would be what= > > we call Kerosene. Kerosene is used for camp stoves and heaters. Yo= u > > would never think of giving it to bees or drinking it. Mineral oil i= s > > a highly refined petroleum oil, used as a laxative and is sold in > > drug stores (Pharmacies). Your pharmacist will know for sure. > > Pete > > > Thanks for the help Pete but other postings indicate that my suppositio= n is > correct. "Liquid paraffin" is a viscous clear liquid which is used for= > constipation! paraffin (UK).......... Kerosene (US)........camping stoves etc. liquid paraffin (UK)....Mineral oil (US).....constipation (an italian web site reports successful use of castor oil(UK)..what is that in the US?) Two peoples divided by a common language!!!(or something close, Churchill I think) -- = Anthony N Morgan Institutt for elektroteknikk H=F8gskolen i S=F8r-Tr=F8ndelag N-7005 Trondheim Article 8671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: Jose Luis Silva Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need help on farbaceae germination Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:06:05 +0200 Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 46 Message-ID: <33AA803D.36DB@ibmmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.180.4.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8671 Þ Some experiments were done on the germination, with special care to the following points (factors): - Temperature (20-25 ºC; 25-30ºC; alternation of temp.20-25ºC 10 hours/16-17ºC 14 hours). - daylight e darkness - Margas environment / "sterilized environment" (Filters) ÞSpecies subjected to experiments were: Species "A" - Dactylis glomerata subsp. (Roth) Nyman - Brachypodium phoenicoides (L.) Roemer & Schultes - Piptaterum miliaceum (L.) Cosson - Hyparrenia hirta (L.) Staf Species "B" - Psoralea bituminosa L. - Ononis mitissima L. The experiments results on "A" species were very good; on the contrary, the experiments results on "B" species were disappointing, with a very low % of germination, showing the Ononis mitissima L. 0% of germination in some experiments (even applying for scarification). ÞIf you know somebody that has already done this experiments (may be yourself - that would be perfect) on this species, and can help me understand the behavior of the Psoralea bituminosa L. and Ononis mitissima L., graminea Hyparrenia hirta (L.) Staf, as the other species listed above, please reply to this note. Can you help me clarify this points: - Is there the need for stratification in the case of "B" species? ------------------------------------- // --------------------------------------------- - How to produce seeds of "B" species in reasonable quantity? What technics to use? What system? Others: flower bed size, seed cleaning, storage, etc? - How to preserve seeds for periods of 1 to 5 years? And more? Thanks! :) Jose Luis Silva (Portugal - Europe) usfmc6(at)ibmmail.com PS: I am writing this note to help a friend of mine that conducted the experiments. Article 8672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: Jose Luis Silva Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need help on farbaceae tests Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:44:56 +0200 Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 46 Message-ID: <33AA7B48.9A7@ibmmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.180.4.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8672 Þ Some experiments were done on the germination, with special care to the following points (factors): - Temperature (20-25 ºC; 25-30ºC; alternation of temp.20-25ºC 10 hours/16-17ºC 14 hours). - daylight e darkness - Margas environment / "sterilized environment" (Filters) ÞSpecies subjected to experiments were: Species "A" - Dactylis glomerata subsp. (Roth) Nyman - Brachypodium phoenicoides (L.) Roemer & Schultes - Piptaterum miliaceum (L.) Cosson - Hyparrenia hirta (L.) Staf Species "B" - Psoralea bituminosa L. - Ononis mitissima L. The experiments results on "A" species were very good; on the contrary, the experiments results on "B" species were disappointing, with a very low % of germination, showing the Ononis mitissima L. 0% of germination in some experiments (even applying for scarification). ÞIf you know somebody that has already done this experiments (may be yourself - that would be perfect) on this species, and can help me understand the behavior of the Psoralea bituminosa L. and Ononis mitissima L., graminea Hyparrenia hirta (L.) Staf, as the other species listed above, please reply to this note. Can you help me clarify this points: - Is there the need for stratification in the case of "B" species? ------------------------------------- // --------------------------------------------- - How to produce seeds of "B" species in reasonable quantity? What technics to use? What system? Others: flower bed size, seed cleaning, storage, etc? - How to preserve seeds for periods of 1 to 5 years? And more? Thanks! :) Jose Luis Silva (Portugal - Europe) usfmc6(at)ibmmail.com PS: I am writing this note to help a friend of mine that conducted the experiments. Article 8673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: Jose Luis Silva Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need help on farbaceae germination Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:50:52 +0200 Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 46 Message-ID: <33AA7CAC.7A30@ibmmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.180.4.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8673 Þ Some experiments were done on the germination, with special care to the following points (factors): - Temperature (20-25 ºC; 25-30ºC; alternation of temp.20-25ºC 10 hours/16-17ºC 14 hours). - daylight e darkness - Margas environment / "sterilized environment" (Filters) ÞSpecies subjected to experiments were: Species "A" - Dactylis glomerata subsp. (Roth) Nyman - Brachypodium phoenicoides (L.) Roemer & Schultes - Piptaterum miliaceum (L.) Cosson - Hyparrenia hirta (L.) Staf Species "B" - Psoralea bituminosa L. - Ononis mitissima L. The experiments results on "A" species were very good; on the contrary, the experiments results on "B" species were disappointing, with a very low % of germination, showing the Ononis mitissima L. 0% of germination in some experiments (even applying for scarification). ÞIf you know somebody that has already done this experiments (may be yourself - that would be perfect) on this species, and can help me understand the behavior of the Psoralea bituminosa L. and Ononis mitissima L., graminea Hyparrenia hirta (L.) Staf, as the other species listed above, please reply to this note. Can you help me clarify this points: - Is there the need for stratification in the case of "B" species? ------------------------------------- // --------------------------------------------- - How to produce seeds of "B" species in reasonable quantity? What technics to use? What system? Others: flower bed size, seed cleaning, storage, etc? - How to preserve seeds for periods of 1 to 5 years? And more? Thanks! :) Jose Luis Silva (Portugal - Europe) usfmc6(at)ibmmail.com PS: I am writing this note to help a friend of mine that conducted the experiments. Article 8674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:05:19 +3908 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Message-ID: <32AB8E0F.3485@itl.net> References: <9706050716031904@beenet.com> <339FCC38.D71@best.ms.philips.com> <33a13ddb.2682290@news.netside.com> <33A30FB2.446D@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <33AB0709.F10@iet.hist.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap67-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8674 Anthony N. Morgan wrote: > > Thanks for the help Pete but other postings indicate that my supposition is > > correct. "Liquid paraffin" is a viscous clear liquid which is used for > > constipation! > > paraffin (UK).......... Kerosene (US)........camping stoves etc. > liquid paraffin (UK)....Mineral oil (US).....constipation > (an italian web site reports successful use of castor oil(UK)..what is > that in the US?) > > Two peoples divided by a common language!!!(or something close, > Churchill I think) > -- > Anthony N Morgan > Institutt for elektroteknikk > Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag > N-7005 Trondheim Castor Oil comes from a plant Ricinus Communis-Bofareira, according to my Materia Medica and "has marked action on gastro-intestinal tract" also "increases the quantity of milk in nursing women.". The Castor Oil Plant is also rather a beautiful plant in the garden - don't know if bees like it but I expect they respect their stomachs too much! Article 8675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!ais.net!noc.van.hookup.net!not-for-mail From: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Conrad Berube) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: insect art (especialally bees) on T-shirts Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:09:47 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Vancouver, BC, CANADA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <5oeroo$qt3$2@noc.van.hookup.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn90.island.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8675 I've renovated my website and added a portion in which you can purchase reproductions of original insect art on T-shirts or sweat-shirts (or even stationery or iron-on transfers-- sorry couldn't figure out how to do tatoos through cyberspace ;-) If you'd like to garb yourself in grubs or bedeck yourself in bees use the following links as you would a bookmark file. 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Article 8676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Sky is Falling Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:24:21 -0700 Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-102-86.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8676 The Sky is Falling and the KILLER bees are going to get you? Head on over to CNN, the so called NEWS network, and see what they can do when they have a slow news day. Get a look at what we all are paying for, as far as Federal and California's so called agriculture experts. See what BS really stands for. (CLUE, it's not Bee Research) If you have ever wondered how it is the Beekeeping Industry is saddled with such poor and long lasting regulations this clip should help you better understand, if not then it is not the first time that this OLd Drone has stood alone. http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9706/19/killer.bees/ If you have ever wondered about what you read or see on TV, when it comes to regulatory efforts like with the killer bees "only the bees the government finds counts"... You and I know that tens of thousands of hives have been moved from Texas, Arizona, California, North Dakota, Florida, and every other state that supports bees that are headed by the so call "killer" bee queens, including 1st and five years of generations without problems. If your bees sting someone and you have all Italian bees it will be Italian bees that are the "killers", today its the African or Tex-Mex, some year down the road it may be the "YouGo's". ttul, the OLd Drone Article 8677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:24:48 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <33AB2D60.57C9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <199706181726.SAA02340@apis.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8677 Gordon Scott wrote: > > : Thanks for the help Pete but other postings indicate that my supposition is > : correct. "Liquid paraffin" is a viscous clear liquid which is used for > : constipation! > > Our (Britain's) use of the word paraffin is historic and now rather > confusing. You're right, of course... > > Food Grade Mineral Oil -- IS -- Liquid paraffin -- IS -- the stuff to use, > Kerosene -- is -- 'paraffin' -- is NOT the stuff to use. > -- > Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) > The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk > Gordon's Apis Home Page > Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. And with that I'll gas up my lorry and be off to my "English as a Second Language" class. Bee cool, Pete Article 8678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: David Verville Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: flowers bees don't like Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:34:16 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <33AB0568.74F8@worldnet.att.net> References: <866294233.14666@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.139.195 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8678 George Ewald wrote: > > echinacea, daylily, daisy, foxglove, clematis, columbine, coriopsis, > amaranth, camomile, dianthus, gypsophila, hollyhock, iris, marigold, > primrose, scabiosa, rudbeckia, sedum, spurge to name a few. > > On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 debra.eisert@ohionet.org wrote: > > > Hello! One of my library patrons would like to plant a garden in a > > preschool. Due to various concerns, she would like to use flowers > > that bees DON'T like. A search of the available literature didn't help > > me. So, I thought I'd ask the experts -- you all! > > > > Could you make recommendations to this teacher? > > > > Please reply to me at debra.eisert@ohionet.org > > > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet > > > > sedum? my bees love it in the fall when it flowers! Article 8679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!news From: "Frank & Phronsie Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New boy on the block Date: 21 Jun 1997 02:44:20 GMT Organization: Chattanooga Data Connection Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01bc7dec$6fbde100$7341d9cd@default> References: <33AA7B64.7D79@bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm04-115.chattanooga.cdc.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8679 -- Adrian Kyte wrote in article <33AA7B64.7D79@bnr.ca>... > Hi all, > > I've just found this newsgroup so I though I'd sign up and ask a > question. > > Conventional wisdom says that if I collect a swarm putting most of the > bees in an upturned box and after 40 to 60 minutes all of the bees are > in the box then I have succeeded in collecting the queen as well. This > is what I did 3 weeks ago now but there is still no sign of eggs or > queen in the hive where I have established this swarm. This has never > happened with the many other swarms I have taken and I can't think what > has gone wrong in this case. > > Any ideas? > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > > Adrian.Kyte.3310836@bnf.ca [work] beeman@enterprise.net [home] I have had this happen to me a few times. I think the bees swarm with a virgin queen and she does not get mated properly for what ever reason. I got a huge swarm 2 weeks ago and hived them on some old comb. The queen looked a little small but I thought it was because she had not been laying for several days. There were no eggs in the hive for a week and a half. Then one day I checked the queen and found her with mating sign. I closed the hive and checked 2 days later and found a full frame of eggs. Apparently they swarmed with a virgin queen and she could not get mated right away because of all the rain we've had here in the southeast. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@cdc.net Article 8680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.chicago.cic.net!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa. Some personal questions. Date: 21 Jun 1997 03:02:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 139 Message-ID: <01bc7def$89ee8fe0$696ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33a9931f.4061577@news.mdnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-41.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 20 10:02:27 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8680 Howdy Mario et al, see more mixed in below Simoncini Mario wrote in article <33a9931f.4061577@news.mdnet.it>... > First of all, sorry for my bad english. Your English is far far better than my Italian so don't worry about it. You are quite understandable and that is all that is needed to allow for effective communication. > J' m italian and in my country the Varroa is causing many damages to > the beekeeepers; for me it is difficult to understand the origin of > this mite. J mean, we all know the story of this acarus: it was > discovered and described by Jacobson on the beginning of this century, > but, surely, it is present since millions of years and the bee too. > In all articles about this mite it is written that till 20-30 years > ago it lived in the Far East and it was the parasite of the Apis > cerana that could "clean up" and put away the parasite. > 20-30 years ago the mite changed uses and began to parasite also the > Apis ligustica that isn't able to drive away the Varroa. This is the > "official" story that is possible to found in the books, but for me > there are some strange points. For instance 20-30 years is a time so > short in front of the life of mite (millions of years) and is it > possible that in that short time Varroa could cause so many problems > ?! Why didn't the mite made them before? > Ok, now we have transports, we can purchase and sell bees in all over > the world and also the mite can move very quickly, but anyway, for me, > there is something strange Due to the time lag between initial introduction of Varroa mites and the first wave of death there is plenty of time for normal queen shipments and package shipments and migratory beekeeping to cart the little rascals all over. For instance if it takes 3 years from initial intro until colonies crash then during those three years of normal shipment of bees (assuming problem undetected) the mites could be spread far and wide. > Second point: we know (all books say it) that without any treatments a > family of bees in two or maximum three years will be destroyed, but, > think, in this case also the parasite will die. Yep - but then we beekeepers fill the hives back up - lose a few swarms to fill at least a few of the trees back up and keep the cycle going ad infinitum. > We are complitely sure that without any medicine all families of bees > would die or instead there would be created a family of strong bees > able to resist to the mite? > What do you think about this? Okay - you have a good point here - it is in fact the founding principle of the Honeybee Improvement Program I coordinate (and which you can read up on on my web site if you wish) - our initial suspicion about Varroa was that while most colonies would die if left untreated some might not - or at least some would live significantly longer in apparent good health. Once Varroa hit hard here (Michigan - the Great Lake State in the USA) we found that in one untreated commercial operation (1,500 colonies) a full 80% of the colonies perished over one winter. The remaining 20% that survived were pretty weak for the most part and out of them we selected out only 8 colonies to use as breeder queens. So it is like looking for a needle in a haystack - the needle may be in there but it will be a challenge to find it. Think about this in terms of natural selection in Nature (assuming no human intervention - which is simply not the way it is really going to happen but is worth considering). With such a low survival rate chances are good that any colonies that are somewhat resistant or tolerant to the Varroa mites will be so widely seperated that they will not be able to cross breed. Then too the natural breeding habits of queens (multiple mating in the air often a good long ways away from their own colony - as in up to 6 miles though generally closer) help to insure that the workers in a colony are so diverse that any resistance is easily lost or diluted. In essence - Nature has another option - sometimes things go extinct - and my suspicion is that might have been the option in this case. But due to the fact we humans value Apis mellifera so highly we are trying to keep it alive by all means available. And a few of us are trying to breed bees that hopefully someday will be so resistant (or tolerant - though I personally doubt tolerance will suffice) that the bees can again survive without human help in the way of chemical or biological intervention. I can tell you we are seeing hopeful signs - a faint glimmer of light at the end of a long and very dark tunnel. We used (among others) 3 HIP breeder queens last year that each had not just survived but thrived without any mite treatment for 2 consecutive years here in Michigan. It will take us another couple years to get a good handle on how well they passed this ability on to their daughters but we have spread those genes into a few thousand colonies (thus increasing the probability of finding a few superior daughters with good gene combinations). What would be nice is if more of our commercial or large sideline beekeepers (gotta have lots of colonies to find rare traits) would take this proactive approach as outlined under Honeybee Improvement Program on my web site. Currently 9 beekeepers in the USA are working together in the Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP). There are other Varroa resistance breeding programs as well though most of them are very small in colony count compared to HIP - most of the others are government funded as well and are homing in just on VR rather than on breeding a better bee that is VR. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: josephj@surf-ici.com (josephj@surf-ici.com) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: catching swarms with vacum cleener Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 03:12:12 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5ofm6b$4nc@news.paonline.com> References: <33ab0204.3680865@nnrp1.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip32.surf-ici.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8681 In article <33ab0204.3680865@nnrp1.crl.com>, mjensen@crl.com wrote: >My bees tell me nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) wrote: > >>Does anyone have experience in catching swarms with vacum cleener. >>I am thinking of using 3 - 4" PVC hard tubing conected to flexible tube >>having a 5 gallon container to collect the bees installed between the >>collecting tube and the vac. > >You need to have a speed control on the vacuum motor. Most vacuums at >full speed will kill the bees. I use a variac which allows a variable >voltage to set a lower speed, about 1/3 full voltage. >Mark Jensen Ph 415 941-2254 Fax 415 941-3488 >26225 Purissima Rd., Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 >Voice mail 415 482-9848 E-mail mjensen@crl.com Bee Culture just had an artical on building your own. They bypassed the variac requirement by boring an extra hole in the top of the box and placing a movable cover over it. You can adjust the amount of vacuum by bleedign air out the hole. A primary feature was the primary 'entrance' was into a cage ( commonly used as a shipping cage for 3lb packages ). This cage has screen on it to keep the bees away from both the vacuum AND the bleed hole. Bee Culture is Online at AIROOT. Article 8682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving hives Date: 21 Jun 1997 13:12:23 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19970621131201.JAA22496@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8682 I wouledlke to know the best time of day to move a hive/es? I have two recently estAblished buckfast hives I want to relocate. Also, it is not too late in the season to make a nuc to start for the next season? I was thinking of making up a nuc from my strong hives and adding a new queen to winter over. Would I need to feed this nuc even though we are now in the main flow? I intend to add plenty of honey and pollen in the nuc. Would like your response to these questions. Alan in Minnesota Article 8683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mineral oil? Date: 21 Jun 1997 13:19:44 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970621131901.JAA26466@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8683 How is mineral used in the treatment of varroa? What are the proportions? and with what and when do you use it for sucessful treatment. Also, whee do you find the food grade product? Please email me with the info. Al in MN Article 8684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33ABFBCC.7263@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:05:32 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Liz Harlaar Subject: Re: Dying bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.212 Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.212 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8684 Liz Harlaar wrote: > > Hiya folks, > > A friend of mine has problem with his bees that he can't solve and would > welcome ideas on. He's been keeping bees happily for 20+ years on the > family farm in East Anglia (UK). He currently has 5 hives (I think). > > The problem > > The bees appear to be falling comatose in significant numbers from a > Cotoneaster tree (about 15ft tall) and losing their lower segments in > the process, as he put it they are losing their bottoms. He is very > distressed by the unexplained loss. Any theories? There are no obvious > pests or infections that he is aware of. > > Emails appreciated please, just in case I miss any posted answers. > Sorry if my terminology is out, I'm more of an engineer than a > biologist. > > Thanks > -- > Liz Harlaar **** Philosophy is great, if you can afford it*** There was an article in the American Bee Journal a few months back about bees eating some type of necter that later becomes toxic. They showed symptoms similar to what you describe. I don't know the name of the plant or if I can find the article. Maybe someone else might remember it. Al Welk Article 8685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33ABFCD9.D70@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:10:01 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives References: <19970621131201.JAA22496@ladder02.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.212 Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.212 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8685 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > I wouledlke to know the best time of day to move a hive/es? I have two > recently estAblished buckfast hives I want to relocate. Also, it is not > too late in the season to make a nuc to start for the next season? I was > thinking of making up a nuc from my strong hives and adding a new queen to > winter over. Would I need to feed this nuc even though we are now in the > main flow? I intend to add plenty of honey and pollen in the nuc. Would > like your response to these questions. > > Alan in Minnesota As to moveing the hives. I would close up the hive with a screen once the sun has gone done. (Bees can't fly at night and will always try to get back to the hive before dark.) Once closed either move it then or early the next AM before it gets too hot. The bees will generate a lot of heat so try and keep the hive where air can get across it. My mentor will keep a fan on his when he keeps them in the shop waiting to be moved. Article 8686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ais.net!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!News4.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dying bees Date: 21 Jun 1997 16:35:03 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ogvrn$42u$1@news.istar.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ts20-13.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8686 Interesting problem, bees losing their bottoms. I would suggest there is another insect that it cutting them in half and devouring the bottoms. Maybe like humans, the bottom is softer than the top. Its not uncommon for yellow jacket wasps to cut insects in half, I have watched them do it. They have rasor sharp mandibles, and just rotate the insect as they cut. They fly away with what they can carry, and come back for more. Watch our for your bottom if you go under this tree. Article 8687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!missing.link.ca!ad058 From: ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN) Newsgroups: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Subject: Re: Give the Bumblebee his own show! Followup-To: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Date: 22 Jun 1997 01:16:51 GMT Organization: Saskatoon Free-Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5ohue3$9fg$3@missing.link.ca> References: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:16135 alt.tv.simpsons:174319 alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy:3796 soc.culture.mexican:81951 soc.culture.mexican.american:25927 soc.culture.spain:149641 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8687 alt.music.korn:1205 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:65001 alt.fan.ok-soda:3665 Bobby Tendinitis (bedwarm@SPAMBLOCK.cryogen.com) wrote: : I think if ever there was a Simpsons spin-off, they'd have to give it : to the Mexican bumblebee guy (I know he has a name besides that, : but I forget right now). I could very easily watch a half-hour long : episode of lines like "El Yo-yo is grande!" and "Aye Chihuahua!". : He's got to be the most underrated character on the show, and : there's so much potential for developing his character even : further. : -Bobby T. A half hour special might work, but I don't think a weekly series would. How many bits could they come up with before they ran out of material? tim gueguen ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Article 8688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!newsfeed.gte.net!news From: "D. Kersh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sale Date: 22 Jun 1997 03:53:04 GMT Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5oi7j0$di6$1@news5.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust32.max34.los-angeles.ca.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D1009C5006D1D78F49968491 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8688 One hive for sale, Southern California area. (I would like a spot to keep them but not my backyard!! Thus I'm putting them up for sale.) Doug Article 8689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.71.16.13!newsfeed.sover.net!granite.sover.net!geoewald From: George Ewald Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flowers bees don't like Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 23:43:02 -0400 Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <33A9CF14.6BA8@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: granite.sover.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <33A9CF14.6BA8@povn.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8689 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, J. F Hensler wrote: > Add to the list: bluebells, lilacs, buffalo currents, asiatic lilies, > tiger lilies, bleeding hearts and lupines. > > > you know I would have said lupines too, yesterday, but I have a number of them blooming right now (I gather the seed and broadcast it on my north facing slopes) and today I saw a bee very persistently visiting a beautiful peach colored specimen. Article 8690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 07:09:31 +0100 Organization: adrem Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <33a8364c.27959467@news.iserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8690 In article <33a8364c.27959467@news.iserv.net>, duane@x-celtransport.com writes >Does anybody have any info about BEE-L, I have been trying to >subscribe and am having no success at all. Send an email to: listserv@cnsibm.albany.edu containing : Subscribe Bee-L help this will go directly to the listserv program so you must not put anything else in the email (i.e. signature file, etc). The "help" line will give you the instructions. Within a 48 hours you will have to confirm your desire to join the mail list by sending an "OK" message. You should then start to receive mail from Bee-L. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Article 8691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!heliodor.demon.co.uk!heliodor.demon.co.uk!liz From: Liz Harlaar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dying bees Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:18:01 +0100 Organization: Topaz Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: heliodor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: heliodor.demon.co.uk [194.222.38.183] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8691 Thanks to all who have replied to my post, the toxic theory is winning at the moment. The plot has thickened somewhat, it seems that only bumble bees are being affected, the honey bees are ignoring the Cotoneaster. They are obviously too smart. Thanks Bill for advising me to watch out for my bottom, nobody has shown it much attention for quite a while ;) -- Liz **** Philosophy is great, if you can afford it*** Article 8692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kai.engfer@amigabee.org.uk (Kai Engfer) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.akorn.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!feed1.news.innet.be!INbe.net!stns.news.pipex.net!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!kai.engfer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cape Honey Bee Message-ID: <866987918@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:41:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers MSGID: 240:249/64 d19856a3 REPLY: 240:249/100.0@BeeNet C0503020 PID: XP 3.11 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8692 Kai Engfer@240:249/100.0 meinte am 15.06.97 zum Thema "Cape Honey Bee": Hallo alle, is there anybody in the International Beenet who has got any experience with the *Cape* *Honey* *Bee*, or who knows anybody who has made experience with it??? Thanks for quick return mail! Bye bye Kai --- Mail Manager 1.22x/n #1001 * Origin: Haben Sie nicht auch den Drang....?? (240:249/100.0) --- CrossPoint v3.11 * Origin: Kai Engfer (240:249/64) Article 8693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33AAB871.2575@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:05:53 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: catching swarms with vacum cleener References: <33ab0204.3680865@nnrp1.crl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.157 Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8693 Mark Jensen wrote: > > My bees tell me nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) wrote: > > >Does anyone have experience in catching swarms with vacum cleener. > >I am thinking of using 3 - 4" PVC hard tubing conected to flexible tube > >having a 5 gallon container to collect the bees installed between the > >collecting tube and the vac. > > You need to have a speed control on the vacuum motor. Most vacuums at > full speed will kill the bees. I use a variac which allows a variable > voltage to set a lower speed, about 1/3 full voltage. > Mark Jensen Ph 415 941-2254 Fax 415 941-3488 > 26225 Purissima Rd., Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 > Voice mail 415 482-9848 E-mail mjensen@crl.com I do use one all the time. It is a small bee retriever that is made just for getting bees. It uses a small vac and standard 4" tubes for a shop type vac. I have seen them made from old gas leaf blowers and shop vacs. The bees are collected in a box with screen on all four sides. The top is plywood with handle for carrying. The bottem is sheet metal that slides off. The bos is just smaller that the inside dimentions of the inner cover frame. One the box is full of bees it is placed over the inner cover and the bottom is slid off the bees go down through the escape hole on the inner cover. As mentioned you do need to control the vacuum. either by the speed or an adjustable opening the allows more air to enter the vac somewhere closer to the vac that the end of the hose. Article 8694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flowers bees don't like Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:15:09 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 70 Message-ID: <33AD79BC.70B75543@valley.net> References: <33A9CF14.6BA8@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-121.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8694 George Ewald wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, J. F Hensler wrote: > > > Add to the list: bluebells, lilacs, buffalo currents, asiatic > lilies, > > tiger lilies, bleeding hearts and lupines. > > > > > > > you know I would have said lupines too, yesterday, but I have a number > of > them blooming right now (I gather the seed and broadcast it on my > north > facing slopes) and today I saw a bee very persistently visiting a > beautiful peach colored specimen. greetings, just thought i'd add my 2 cents to this string. i've got a a rock garden along a slope about 50 feet long, that i've been working on for the last 2 summers, and i've probably planted about 50% of the species listed in the various posts. while honey bees may not be attracted to most or all of these plant varieties, other species of bees do seem to like at least some of them. bumble bees, for example, definitely like my foxglove and lupines. also, there are lots of other species [i'm guessing they're representatives of some of the many, many native north american bees], that seem to like many of these plants just fine. if the concern of the original post was to find plants that would not attract bees, in order to reduce the possibility of the preschoolers getting stung, then i think it's a lot harder to do than it seems. maybe the attraction of some plant species is regionally specific and depends on what else is available that bees in general would find more desirable? btw, george, i got your email. i've had guests visiting all weekend, and i've been off-line. i'll get back to you real soon. in the meantime, the url for intellicast's national precipitation radar is: http://www.intellicast.com/weather/usa/radsum/ that gives you the cloud heights and system speeds and directions of movement. http://www.intellicast.com/weather/usa/radar/ gives you rain, mixed precip and snow boundaries, but no speeds or directions. also, http://www.intellicast.com/weather/bos/radsum/ and http://www.intellicast.com/weather/bos/radar/ give you the same radar images out of boston. these cover our area and have more detail than the national radar images. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in1.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: here's a cure for sticking hive boxes Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:54:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706221428482061@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <199706181909.UAA02385@apis.demon.co.uk> Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8695 GS>From: Gordon Scott >Subject: Re: here's a cure for sticking hive boxes GS>Petroleum Jelly is popular, too. Another Use for "LOVE" lube Some beekeeper's here call that petroleum jelly "LOVE" lube, but in any case a light coating on a rim covered with metal that is placed on top of a open bulk bee cage will keep the bees from crawling out at night when the top is off so bees can bee scooped out with a long handle ladle made out of a "SPAM" can used to measure the bees that are placed into the baby nucs... ttul, Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 8696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PLAGIARISM in USDA Bee Re Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:27:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706221428482062@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 85 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8696 PLAGIARISM or What? ___ ____ ___ _ _ ___ ___ _ _ / _ \| _ \_ _| \ | |_ _/ _ \| \ | | | | | | |_) | || \| || | | | | \| | | |_| | __/| || |\ || | |_| | |\ | \___/|_| |___|_| \_|___\___/|_| \_| Check this out to get an idea of what I am saying: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/beecells0597.htm or if you support PDF reading then try: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/may97/honey.pdf In my humble opinion, IMHO... If you go to this site you will find some very interesting information on cell size and how it can and does effect the health of your honeybees. This is good information and has been a long time in coming, but.. The information in this news release attributed to Dr. Erickson, the leader of the Tucson, Arizona ARS Bee Lab, and based on work done by him and/or others at his lab. This information is now being picked up by the farm press and news services and spread as the GOSPEL according to the best of USDA Bee Research (BS) science. Nothing wrong with this or the information except for one little small detail. The information contained is not the work product of, or the original idea of anyone connected to the USDA, ARS, or USDA Beekeeping Research. You would never know it by reading the information on this page or the so called NEWS stories now making the rounds in the agricultural press based on the USDA ARS News releases about Dr. Erickson and his work at the Bee Lab in Tucson. Copying or using someone else's idea's and work is a violation of federal and world copyright laws and is a crime. This includes the duplication of the ideas and work of others no matter what their personal station in life. We all know that we beekeepers are not in the same class as some of our public servants, such as the so called Beekeeping Scientist (BS). I am sure that this USDA Research branch of ARS will defend themselves by saying we did not write the PRESS release or some such lamer excuse, but this won't wash as they do control the information in their own press releases and web pages and the facts are they did not even share the credit for the information contained in the press release or on their web pages and that is clear to the public or anyone who wants to read or visit them and/or read this official government information. You can be sure if this was information from the chemical industry they would have been sure to have shared the credit..but then we all know the close connection of the chemical industry to the so called bee research industry in the ARS. Who cares anyway?, well I am sure the beekeeper's involved who have spent several generations working in their bees and first noticed and brought it to the attention of those in the Beekeeping Industry and Beekeeping Research at the USDA that the cell size of our foundation is too large, and have themselves been using smaller sized foundations for years, (something that could be adjusted by the foundation manufactures in a few weeks), do care, if only because so many in both the beekeeping industry and beekeeping research have turned a deaf ear to their ideas and cries for help in the past only now to read that the USDA Bee Research under Dr. Erickson have discovered what they have known, worked with, written about and talked about for years...thats the work of those who PLAGIARIZE or steal from the writing and work of others, IMHO..how easy it would have been to say because of work and ideas from such and such beekeepers in our area we have been able to duplicate and replicate work that they are doing or have done in the past and found out using the best scientific mythology that they were right all along, Thank You, Mr. and Mrs. Beekeeper. On a cold day in Hell, maybe....! ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. 62297 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The summer comes with flower and bee,-- Article 8697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!magma.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Mites And Mineral Oil Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:34:19 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33ADB67B.2B82@mines.edu> References: <199706181726.SAA02340@apis.demon.co.uk> <33AB2D60.57C9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: ballen@mines.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.67.28.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8697 > And with that I'll gas up my lorry and be off to my "English as a Second > Language" class. > Bee cool, > Pete Wouldn't that be petrol? Article 8698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: David Verville Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two Queens - One Hive, neither laying Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:16:17 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33ADA431.1595@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.37.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8698 What are my solutions? First queen was raised early this year, mated and started to lay eggs. about a week or so later, I noticed queen cells so figured that the bees where going to supercede their queen. So .... about six weeks later there are two queens in the hive, (I clipped the first queen) but neither is laying. They are not buzzy and are putting on some honey but there isn't any brood. The brood nest is in chaos, with pollen, honey and water being stored every where. Should I just nuc them? Dave Verville Plaistow, NH Article 8699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rghall@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MITES!!!! Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:55:12 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <33add651.46686318@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.178 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!news.clark.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8699 As I was inspecting my hives yesterday I saw a flat round varmit about 1-1/2 times the size of a pin-head and it was just gliding over the surface of some capped brood comb. I also scraped the top off of a drone cell and found one inside of it. Are these Varroa mites? Should I wait until fall to medicate my bees? I just started these hives this year from packages and they had an Apistan strip in them when they arrived. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Richard Hall Article 8700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black hairless syndrome Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:20:35 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <33ADEB83.4D80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.173 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8700 Can some one give me some details about this virus or point me to some. Pete Seattle Article 8701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: checkered beetles Date: 23 Jun 1997 04:01:02 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <19970623040101.AAA12844@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8701 I have observed checkered beetles from time to time on my inner covers and in out of the way spots in the hives I was wodering what is known about these beetles and how many other beekeepers have observed them. As near as I can determine they are subsisting on scraps that are in places the bees can't reach and when the bees can reach these insects they seem to pretty nuch ignore them. " ` " ` _- -_`-_|'\ /` / / / -' `~()() \_\ _ /\-._/\/ / | | '` ^ ^ Article 8703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black hairless syndrome - chdwp2.htm [0/1] Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:52:28 -0700 Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <33ADEB83.4D80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-14.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!165.113.1.76!nntp3.crl.com!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8703 In article <33ADEB83.4D80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net says... > Can some one give me some details about this virus or point me to some. > A good place to start, and in fact the best place and one that all should check out is: http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/research/chdpage1.htm The black hairless syndrome is common here after an extended time of poor food sources, very harmful here in the fall after the cotton flow. These hairless bees do not winter well if the hives contain a high percentage of them at the end of the brood rearing season. NO Cure other then moving to a good food source. It has been said that the bees are not born hairless, but it is soon eaten off by the healthy bees. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 8704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding 9 5/8 boxes Date: 23 Jun 1997 22:54:33 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19970623225400.SAA28192@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8704 My one package and 2 nucs are doing great and will be ready for supers by next week. But as a new guy I am not ready for honey handling and don't want to be this year. I have built 10 new hives for next year already. How about if I add full size boxes this year and let the bees draw out foundation and store honey to use next year to give me some foundation and honey to start bees on next year. If I do that then should I leave the boxes on all winter or take them off? Thanks Rick Koehler Sugar Grove Illinois ROK101D@aol.com Article 8705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!xfer.kren.nm.kr!mr.net!news.mr.net!cronkite.polaristel.net!news From: Paul Conklin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dragonflies Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:12:20 -0700 Organization: Martonklin Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sebeka-22.dialup.means.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8705 I have a couple of new hives in an area with lot of dragonflys. I've noticed some hanging out around to hive, and today I saw one snag a bee. The bee got away, but it made me wonder if dragonflies could put a dent in my bee population. Any thoughts? -- Paul Conklin & Becky Marty HC 05 Box 8 Lake Itasca MN 56460 conklin@means.net (218)266-3608 Article 8706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding 9 5/8 boxes Date: 24 Jun 1997 03:03:49 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <19970624030301.XAA17700@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970623225400.SAA28192@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8706 In article <19970623225400.SAA28192@ladder02.news.aol.com>, rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) writes: >My one package and 2 nucs are doing great and will be ready for supers by >next week. But as a new guy I am not ready for honey handling and don't >want to be this year. I have built 10 new hives for next year already. >How about if I add full size boxes this year and let the bees draw out >foundation and store honey to use next year to give me some foundation and >honey to start bees on next year. If I do that then should I leave the >boxes on all winter or take them off? If you are implying that you would add one deep to make your hives consist of two deep supers, I think that would work just fine. The bees should put up some honey from the fall flow and be able to use that honey for themselves for overwintering. With luck come next spring you should have good strong hives ready to make lots of honey for you and your friends. Most folks around here in Middle Tennessee use two deep supers for their hives...and add honey supers on top of them. There are several variations of this, but for the most part that is what folks around here do. Good luck with your bees! God bless... Fred Rev. Fred B. Hembree, Jr. n4ssd@aol.com Article 8707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.120.68.2!news.gwi.net!web.ddp.state.me.us!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a natural cure for ants Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:17:01 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <33AF200D.2C3017FC@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-127.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8707 greetings, the thread i was following on the subject of ants has expired, but i thought i'd add this new twist. i, too, saw a few ants on the lid of my hive under the roof, where i spilled [and thought i cleaned up] some syrup. since the bees can't get up there, i was just removing the few ants i found, whenever i opened the hive. today, however, i noticed that a couple of jumping spiders [the little guys you find on your deck, on your car, etc.] under the roof. and no ants. since these spiders are hunters, not web spinners, it looks like they've taken up residence in a fertile hunting ground. since they're too small to bother the bees, i'm happy to leave them where they are. if anyone is having problems with bees, catching a couple of these guys [or gals] and placing them under the roof might be the best, natural solution. if the ants stop coming to the hive, the spiders will just leave via a vent hole. btw, saw my first capped brood cells today in the new deep. life is good. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mwci.net!not-for-mail From: Christopher Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeding Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:32:42 -0500 Organization: Divine Word College Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33A89A49.5413@mwci.net> References: <01bc7771$70295ce0$733460ce@miller.micronet.net> <01bc7983$5810bd60$2980a19d@default> Reply-To: sauer@mwci.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-dyers-237.dyersville.mwci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8708 I have five hives in north-eastern Iowa. I started them all from late-arriving packages (May 2). My question is, how long do I feed them? As long as they take syrup? Right now they're building comb in the second brood box and the flow is just starting with clover blooming. Thanks for any feedback! Article 8709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Welsh black bees Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:13:28 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1Pga7GA44jrzEwbK@emphasys.demon.co.uk> References: <01bc7693$31f2d840$f1c448c2@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8709 In article , Mike Reddy writes >You may not be able to move the bees. There are cases where a bee nest >itself is protected. So be careful. If you can give me more details, I can >raise the issue with our local beekeepers association. I have never heard of such a case, and my understanding is that honey bees are not a protected species (in the UK at least). Rather than raising ?legal? issues with local beekeepers, just get someone to move them for you - here in Liverpool you would have a queue of beekeepers anxious to get a good colony. If no local beekeepers want to make the effort, then you should be able to pay the local council to exterminate them as a last resort. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 8711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!diana.ibernet.es!news.ctv.es!195.57.141.47 From: "UCA miraflor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The new Web page of the UCA MIraflor Date: 24 Jun 97 10:42:39 GMT Organization: Unisource Espana NEWS SERVER Message-ID: <01bc8089$cf942a40$LocalHost@10.0.1.1.inf> NNTP-Posting-Host: yolanda.ctv.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8711 Dear friends: This is the new Web page of the Unión de Cooperativas Agropecuarias de Miraflor en Estelí, Nicaragua. It is in spanish. You are welcome to visit us. Es una página muy interesante para las personas cercanas al tema (los organismos especializados en agroecología, participación, producción sostenible, género, agricultura orgánica, manejo integrado de plagas, medio ambiente, campesinos, pequeños productores, desarrollo rural, etc. etc...). Espero que les guste. Saludos. http://www.netmagic.net/~rel/miraflor.htm Article 8712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black hairless syndrome Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706240733162071@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <33ADEB83.4D80@postoffice.worldnet Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8712 In article <33ADEB83.4D80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net says... > Can some one give me some details about this virus or point me to some. A good place to start, and in fact the best place and one that all should check out is: http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/research/chdpage1.htm The black hairless syndrome is common here after an extended time of poor food sources, very harmful here in the fall after the cotton flow. These hairless bees do not winter well if the hives contain a high percentage of them at the end of the brood rearing season. NO Cure other then moving to a good food source. It has been said that the bees are not born hairless, but it is soon eaten off by the healthy bees. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 8713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33B025DA.459F@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:54:02 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New boy on the block References: <33AA7B64.7D79@bnr.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.80.126 Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.80.126 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8713 Adrian Kyte wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've just found this newsgroup so I though I'd sign up and ask a > question. > > Conventional wisdom says that if I collect a swarm putting most of the > bees in an upturned box and after 40 to 60 minutes all of the bees are > in the box then I have succeeded in collecting the queen as well. This > is what I did 3 weeks ago now but there is still no sign of eggs or > queen in the hive where I have established this swarm. This has never > happened with the many other swarms I have taken and I can't think what > has gone wrong in this case. > > Any ideas? > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > > Adrian.Kyte.3310836@bnf.ca [work] beeman@enterprise.net [home] I agree with Frank's coments about a virgin queen. If the Queen was mature, she just might not have survived the whole process. You stated that you could not find any eggs, you did not say if the queen was still in the box. Did you find her? Is there any sign of queen cells? if the population still seems relatively strong, you coulod try putting a frame with fresh eggs and brood from anouther hive into the questionable hive. If they are queen less there is a good chance that they will make a queen from one of the young eggs. (Should be about 2-3 day old egg). If there is a quen in the box, and they are happy with her, the brood and eggs will help strengthen your hive while the queen does get out on a mating flight. Are ther many drones in the box? If it is a solo hive with few drones she might have trouble mating. Soem hive will become quite agressive towards the queen if she come back without the sperm sack (forget the technical names) attached to her. They think that she hasn't mated enough, or have enough sperm to last her. They might have killed her in the process. hope this helps...... Article 8714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen not laying ?. Date: 24 Jun 1997 19:16:44 GMT Organization: Indigo Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc80c6$66fbf700$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts01-62.cork.indigo.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8714 Hello there, I have recently become interested in beekeeping and bought 2 stocks of bees in May. One stock swarmed and the other is ok (?), I was able to find and destroy any Queen Cells by checking the frames at 7 day intervals. Now the second last time that I checked the hive there were Queen Cells, 4 I think so I destroyed them,( an experienced Beekeeper was with me) I noticed that there was not very many eggs to be seen, just some 4/5 day old uncapped larvae. The Queen is marked and seemed ok. Yesterday I checked again and there were no Queen Cells to be seen, BUT, there were no eggs/larvae either. The Queen is present. I phoned my Beekeeper friend and he said not to worry as the Queen could have stopped laying and will start again and as long as the Queen was there there was no need to worry. There is very little capped brood there and no eggs etc and I can't help being just a little worried. Any advice would be most welcome. Thanks, Sean Article 8715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Pot Ants Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:09:45 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 15 Message-ID: <33B07DE9.6999@ultranet.com> References: <33A36C08.CBD@ultranet.com> <5o55d9$l72$1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d11.dial-1.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: Karl Altenburg Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8715 Karl Altenburg wrote: > > > The honey pots don't move. They sacrifice themselves (altruism) to serve > as the immobile resecptacles of nectar. Honey pot ants serve as one of > the prime examples of altruism and warfare in the (non-human) animal > kingdom. Check out, Journey to the Ants, by Holldobler and Wilson. > However, how can the worker ants forage over enough distance to collect honey. Bees have to fly long distances. I assume an ant cannot crawl over nearly as much territory. Marc Article 8716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dragonflies Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:08:01 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33B07D81.4D96@ultranet.com> References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d11.dial-1.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8716 Paul Conklin wrote: > > I have a couple of new hives in an area with lot of dragonflys. I've > noticed some hanging out around to hive, and today I saw one snag a bee. > The bee got away, but it made me wonder if dragonflies could put a dent > in my bee population. Any thoughts? > -- > Paul Conklin & Becky Marty > HC 05 Box 8 Lake Itasca MN 56460 > conklin@means.net > (218)266-3608 I have seen them eating bees too. Marc Article 8717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sendit.nodak.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: Karl Altenburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Pot Ants Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:28:56 -0500 Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Network Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <33B07DE9.6999@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8717 On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Marc Andelman wrote: > > The honey pots don't move. They sacrifice themselves (altruism) to serve > > as the immobile resecptacles of nectar. Honey pot ants serve as one of > > the prime examples of altruism and warfare in the (non-human) animal > > kingdom. Check out, Journey to the Ants, by Holldobler and Wilson. > > However, how can the worker ants forage over enough distance to collect > honey. Bees have to fly long distances. I assume an ant cannot > crawl over nearly as much territory. True, the ants probably don't cover as great a territory. But remember that ants are much smaller than bees and hense consume and collect far less nectar. But on the other hand, ants do forage great distances for their size and may even collect more effeciently than honeybees. Again, there are far better references than me. Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE Article 8718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Permaculture West" Subject: permaculture design course Message-ID: <01bc7d7e$6c5396e0$993aa3cd@permawest.olywa.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:53:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 87 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inil.com!news.compuvar.com!news.olywa.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8718 BUILDING THE NATURAL COMMUNITY Permaculture Design Course September 6th-19th, 1997 Oakville, WA ...imagine...living in a community that is blended into the natural environment. Homes crafted from the native landscape are designed to heat and cool themselves while remaining elegant and affordable. Integrated into the surrounding neighborhoods are natural water systems where food is grown safe from harmful chemicals and waste is managed for productivity. Neighbors, young and old, routinely help one another by sharing resources and skills. Local needs are met by efficiently managing local resources thereby reducing transportation and pollution. By design this community saves you money while making leisure time more abundant. Most importantly, however, the design of this community preserves the Earth's precious resources. Through the simple and practical strategies offered by permaculture design, a village lifestyle like this is not a dream. By developing climate-based zoning guidelines many such communities are emerging across the U.S. and the world. Seeking to emulate nature's sustainable model, permaculture design has become a globally recognized framework for an environmentally benign system of land-use management. In nature, total resource efficiency is accomplished by managing waste for productivity and balancing consumption with multi-functional contributions from each of the elements of the system. Permaculture Sciences design human communities that model the same inter-connections and multiple functions found in natural ecosystems. Though relatively new to development in the U.S., permaculture brings to home owners and design professionals an innovative approach to planning, building, and retrofitting. Perma-culture design is now taught regularly through regional groups, private colleges, and universities around the world. At the local bioregional level residential two-week training courses are conducted as an information intensive means of disseminating principles of permaculture design. From September 6th-19th, Permaculture West will be hosting a two-week Permaculture Design Course at the Wild Thyme Farm near Oakville, WA. Located in the Chehalis river valley just 35 minutes South of Olympia, the Wild Thyme Farm is an evolving education and resource center. Situated within its own watershed the farm features a 100 acre second growth forest, turn-of-the-century barn, fruit & nut orchards, greenhouses, sauna, gardens, hot tub, streams, pond, cottages, and various microclimates ranging from ridge-top meadows to low-land marshes and flood plains. Wild Thyme Farm has been a retreat center since 1989 and integrative permaculture principles have continually guided its evolution. This two-week intensive design course will examine the fundamentals of developing sustainable villages and communities that are bioregionally unique. Elements of village design to be discussed include: local economics, appropriate building strategies, edible landscaping, agro-forestry, wildcrafting, cottage industries, aquaculture, mushroom cultivation, site analysis, natural education, bamboo, livestock & wildlife, food forests, systems theory, and much, much more. Information is presented through such mediums as: slide shows, lecture, hands-on demonstrations, field trips, and observation walks. Participants completing the entire course will receive a Permaculture Design Course Graduate certificate. Instructors include: Larry Santoyo; a world renowned permaculture designer & educator who has worked directly with Bill Mollison. Larry is one of the foremost urban permaculture designers in the U.S. and has developed sustainable industry programs for several major U.S. corporations. Paul Stamets; owner of Fungi Perfecti, the largest mushroom research facility in the NW. Paul has been pioneering permaculture strategies for re-integrating edible & medicinal mushrooms into residential & commercial landscapes. Simon Henderson; co-founder of Bamboo People, the NW's leading bamboo research & consultation firm. Simon has traveled the world documenting bamboo cultivation and uses. He is author of Raising the Dragon: Bamboo Agroforestry in Vietnam. Michael Pilarski; founder of Friends of the Trees, a NW non-profit dedicated to reforesting the world. Michael has been a permaculture designer for over 15 years and has more than two decades worth of experience in international networking and sustainable natural resource management. Joanne Lee; has founded the South Sound Exchange, a local economic and bartering system for the Olympia area. She is also involved with co-housing initiatives in Thurston County. Cost: $675 (includes camping, materials, and all meals) Accommodations: Camping is free. Bunkhouse: $150. Guesthouse: $200. Space is limited, please inquire as to availability. Course is limited to 25 participants. Contact: Permaculture West 72 Mattson Rd. Oakville, WA 98568 Ph: (360) 352-6509 Fx: (360) 273-7117 E-mail: permawest@olywa.net Article 8719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.226.1.24!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MITES!!!! Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 09:04:19 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <17B977F97S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <33add651.46686318@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8719 In article <33add651.46686318@news.usit.net> rghall@usit.net writes: > >As I was inspecting my hives yesterday I saw a flat round varmit about >1-1/2 times the size of a pin-head and it was just gliding over the >surface of some capped brood comb. I also scraped the top off of a >drone cell and found one inside of it. Are these Varroa mites? >Should I wait until fall to medicate my bees? I just started these >hives this year from packages and they had an Apistan strip in them >when they arrived. Any recommendations would be appreciated. >Richard Hall Yes, sounds like varroa (although it's hard to diagnose over the net). There are plenty of web pages out there offering more/better information. Try: http://user.aol.com/pollinator/varroa.htm http://www.epix.sfu.ca/topics/animal/varoasis.htm Treatment depends on how bad an infestation you have, but if you are seeing the mites crawling around it sounds like you should treat ASAP! You did not give your location. If you had done so perhaps there are beekeepers located "near" (relatively near) who can comment on the level of varroa in your area. There have been few reports of varroa this season in these parts (upstate NY). Obviously your results may vary. Aaron Morris - I think, therefor I bee! Article 8720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!208.202.14.37!news.icanect.net!pandora.digitaladvantage.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ulee's Gold Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706241851182072@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8720 FYI* Of interest to all! This message was from Allen Dick ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Dick Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:52:34 -0600 Subject: Ulee's Gold Organization: The Beekeepers Well, tonight I , along with 6 of my crew, saw Ulee's Gold in a preview showing in Calgary. It was as good or better than I expected and I think I can recommend it to pretty well anyone teen aged or older. The plot was plausable and the characters nicely developed and well casted and portrayed. Thankfully, violence and coarse language were restricted to the minimum necessary to tell the story honestly. Peter Fonda was a convincing beekeeper and the beekeeping scenes were very authentic. With a few small changes, his truck, hives and some bee yards could have been mine. (I like to think I have a lot more bees in my hives, but then I don't have a camera crew and all the others to consider when I go to work my hives). I tend to like films with rich, sympathetic camera work and lots of visual detail, and this film did not leave me disappointed. All in all, I found it to be a rich and positive experience and I'm sure I'll see it a time or two again when I have the chance. Allen --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 8721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cm119pc3.acs.ohio-state.edu!kelly.102 From: kelly.102@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (`Pam Kelly) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dragonflies Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:52:12 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> <33B07D81.4D96@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cm119-pubpc1.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8721 In article <33B07D81.4D96@ultranet.com> Marc Andelman writes: >Path: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail >From: Marc Andelman >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Re: dragonflies >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:08:01 -0400 >Organization: Biosource >Lines: 16 >Message-ID: <33B07D81.4D96@ultranet.com> >References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: d11.dial-1.wor.ma.ultra.net >Mime-Version: 1 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) >Xref: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8896 >Paul Conklin wrote: >> >> I have a couple of new hives in an area with lot of dragonflys. I've >> noticed some hanging out around to hive, and today I saw one snag a bee. >> The bee got away, but it made me wonder if dragonflies could put a dent >> in my bee population. Any thoughts? >> -- >> Paul Conklin & Becky Marty >> HC 05 Box 8 Lake Itasca MN 56460 >> conklin@means.net >> (218)266-3608 >I have seen them eating bees too. >Marc Article 8722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dragonflies Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:56:32 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <33B15BD0.35B6@ix.netcom.com> References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-04.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 25 12:54:23 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8722 Paul Conklin wrote: > > I have a couple of new hives in an area with lot of dragonflys. I've > noticed some hanging out around to hive, and today I saw one snag a bee. > The bee got away, but it made me wonder if dragonflies could put a dent > in my bee population. Any thoughts? > -- > Paul Conklin & Becky Marty > HC 05 Box 8 Lake Itasca MN 56460 > conklin@means.net > (218)266-3608 Dragonflies (Anax Junius - Aeschnidae Family) normally eat smaller insects like mosquitos and flies. However, that doesn't mean that they won't try for something bigger if the opportunity presents itself. Their larvae even eat mosquito larvae. I wouldn't worry about them making any inroads on your bee population since bees would be on large size as far as prey goes. They're considered a lucky sign in many cultures and on the wing are among the fastest of insects. They are one of the oldest family of insects dating back almost 240 million years. American Indians believed where they landed on a bank near a lake or stream marked the best fishing locations. I bet you can't tell their my favorite insect with my bees coming in a close second. Susan Article 8723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-in.iadfw.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dragonflies Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:16:24 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <10C5125936846617.51B3CA289B2F9ADA.D57A635200E20B97@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5os953$9qf@library.airnews.net> References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> <33B15BD0.35B6@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal22-13.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8723 "Susan K. Wehe" wrote: > I wouldn't worry about them >making any inroads on your bee population since bees would be on large >size as far as prey goes. Susan, While I agree with the first part of your statement: I doubt the dragonflies could make any 'significant' inroads into the bee population (unless of course, you had many hundreds or thousands of them hovering around the bee hives). I too, have noticed that they will take up ambush postions in front of my hives. I have a creek near by and see them attack to dine on the bees many times but so far, they don't seem to have hurt my hive populations. Now as for the second part of your comment: You seem to think that the realitive size of the bees to the dragonflies may play a role in their selection of dinner. All I can say is that it is obvious that you're not talking about TEXAS dragonflies! There have been occasions where I thought some Hueys were flying over my house (I realize I'm giving away my age here, but...) only to realize it was some hovering dragonflies around my hives! Best wishes... Article 8724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.154.70.8!news.webspan.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: checkered beetles Date: 26 Jun 1997 11:07:00 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970626110701.HAA15594@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970623040101.AAA12844@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8724 I have a similar beetle and have identified it as a member of the dermestidae. Members of this family of beetles are scavangers. They live on dead animal parts including dead bees. They do not seem to be a threat to the bees and since they eat organic material, they probably help keep the hive clean. Whether the bees recognize this in some way or the beetles have some defensive mechanism to keep the bees away, I do not know. I have not seen them in strong hives. I find them on frames that I have not cleaned and in hives that have died out. Article 8725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!206.65.209.10!news.cco.net!not-for-mail From: Jason Henning Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Biking Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:00:13 -0700 Organization: CCO, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <33B2218C.4EB@cco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip39.cco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8725 Hello- You probably think I'm lost posting here but I know you apiarists can help. I'm a homebrewer and meadmaker. My interest in meadmaking lead me to this group. I've found it very interesting. I found this link on 'hiving a swam' really interesting, http://www.waterw.com/~databear/swarm.html. Someday I'll... Anyway, to my question. I've been doing quite a bit of mountain biking on the logging roads near my home. There are a lot of wild flowers and lots of bees, some big bumble bees and smaller ones. Going up is slow and grinding and the smaller bees sometimes dart around me. My natural reaction, of course, is to swat them away. I haven't been stung yet. Are they just checking me out? It seems like they don't bother me til I've worked up a sweat, they surely aren't attracked to this scent. I try to not swat them but when they bump in to my face for instance, it's hard not to. What color clothing should I wear. Are there any fragrancies that bees don't like? Are bees less likey to bother me on gusty windy days? Any other advise? Anyone got got #12 of maple honey for sale? I want to make a maple mead. This is one of the most interesting honeys I've ever tasted. Almost mint flavored. How many of you are meadmakers? It's probably best to e-mail (or post to the ng and e-mail me) since I'm only online one or two days a weeks. I think my IPS dumps the ng's once a day. My e-address isn't spam proofed so you can just hit 're:'. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Jason Henning (huskers@cco.net) Big Red Alchemy and Brewing Olympia, Washington - "It's the water" Article 8726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.71.16.13!newsfeed.sover.net!granite.sover.net!geoewald From: George Ewald Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding 9 5/8 boxes Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:03:00 -0400 Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <19970623225400.SAA28192@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: granite.sover.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <19970623225400.SAA28192@ladder02.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8726 On 23 Jun 1997, ROK101D wrote: > My one package and 2 nucs are doing great and will be ready for supers by > next week. But as a new guy I am not ready for honey handling and don't > want to be this year. I have built 10 new hives for next year already. > How about if I add full size boxes this year and let the bees draw out > foundation and store honey to use next year to give me some foundation and > honey to start bees on next year. If I do that then should I leave the > boxes on all winter or take them off? > > > Thanks Rick Koehler > Sugar Grove Illinois > ROK101D@aol.com > Its a great idea to give the new hives the full boxes of foundation to work on. And new hives often don't have much excess honey in the first year of their existence. As far as what you leave with them for the upcoming winter, I think you'll get a good idea of that in the fall. I overwinter most colonies in two full deeps. Ideally you would have lots of bees and two packed boxes per hive. It depends on how many bees you have going into the winter, and how much honey they have stored. I think a very small colony would do nicely in one packed box. As you consider your first winter you will be looking at what I call the insulation/ventilation seesaw. Some beekeepers have elaborate schemes to "insulate" or wrap the hives "to keep them warm." I have found that I have lost more hives here in Vermont due to lack of ventilation, so lately I am not wrapping the hives and I am giving them escape holes in each of the boxes. george ewald Article 8727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33B229D1.222@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:35:29 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping photos in JPG format References: <339fde63.1493595@news> <5nq6fc$91c$1@zinger.callamer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.208.132 Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.208.132 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8727 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > A good start would bee at: > > http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/WildBees/ > > Chris Allen wrote in article <339fde63.1493595@news>... > >Has any one got any beekeeping photos in JPG format. Why not take your own photos. I just took a roll of some swarms, honey comb, and my friend working some hives. I had the film developed by YORK (York.com) and had the prints put on disk. The disk comes with utilities for PC and MAC to see the prints, print them and export them as wallpaper, BMP or JPEG. I know that Wolfe camera and Seattle film works also put prints on disk but I don't know if they export in JPEG. Article 8728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plagiarism re-cell size Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706260900062085@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 74 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8728 ---------------------------------------- This OLd Drone is eating a little crow, and at last one of his opinions was wrong and he, (I) made a mistake and apologize to all as Dr. Erickson points out in this note in the past he has shared the glory of research with beekeepers and he is right and I acknowledge that I made a mistake and accept that I was wrong. Dr. Erickson is the beekeepers friend. IMHO The public other then you and I are not going to take the time to research the record and sadly all they will ever know about this subject is what they read in the latest "news" paper fillers on honeybees and what the USDA puts out as press releases on the their web site. What I wrote is based on what I and what I think the public has or will see "today" on this subject and in my humble opinion I tried to express that in my posting as accurate and the best I could. I am not perfect, I am not a bee scientist, I am a old opinionated beekeeper who has a small cancer on the end of his proboscis that maybe sometimes blurs what I see and I do make mistakes. Or at least I did as far as Dr. Erickson efforts to acknowledge beekeepers collaboration with him in the past based on what I read and have seen the last week in the farm papers and on the United States Department of Agriculture web site of their own AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH MAGAZINE for May 1997 at: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/may97/ Have a look and judge for yourselves if the public is being given the "scientific" facts. ttul Andy- the OLd Drone This message was from "Eric H. Erickson, Jr." ---------------------------------------- From: "Eric H. Erickson, Jr." To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:50:09 -0600 Subject: Plagiarism re-cell size Organization: USDA-ARS Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Now that opinion in the absence of fact has been expressed, let me take just a moment to provide the facts. The first recent (since the 1930's or thereabouts) article on the subject of honey bee comb cell size was published in Gleanings In Bee Culture (Feb.-Mar., 1990) with the "Beekeepers" (Dee and Ed Lusby) as co-authors. By mutual agreement I was the senior author and did much of the writing. In this article we included our collective speculations. Since that time I have published/co-published 3 additional articles that in one way or another relate to the subject of cell size (Gleanings, Nov. 1990: Ame. Bee J.: April 1992; and Amer, Bee J.: May 1996). In each I was careful to cite our original article and/or ackowledge contributions made by the Lusby's. The news release over which this 'issue' was raised is a report on varroa research which I and other Arizona beekeepers (not the Lusby's this time) collaborated in from 1992 to 1995. I reported the results of this work at the American Honey Producers meeting in Corpus Christie, TX two years ago. The Lusby's were there and I acknowledged them at that time. A manuscript has been submitted for publication on this latest work and, as before, our earlier paper (with the Lusby's) is cited. The Lusby's and I regularly talk about our respective work on the subject of cell size. They are pursuing their interests and I mine, and we share our further ideas and results. Dee has been urging me to publish the work I reported in Corpus Christie and when I sent her a a copy of the subject news release she called me with her excited congratulations. These are the facts minus any opinion. Any one who is interested in the facts and chooses to check them can do so easily. Eric H. Erickson --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I am not young enough to know everything anymore. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Revised Job title Ä Laundry Lady: Linen Coordinator Article 8729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!a3bsrv.nai.net!usenet From: Reference Staff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted -- Sue Hubbell book on bees Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:40:16 -0700 Organization: Stratford Library Association Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33B2D3B0.242B@ct1.nai.net> Reply-To: ref@ct1.nai.net NNTP-Posting-Host: bridgeport-usr3-32.nai.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8729 I'd like to buy a copy of Sue Hubbell's "Book of Bees... and how to keep them." It's out of print and I've tried the internet databases for out of print books. (Interloc, Bibliofind, Bibliocity). Can anyone help? A second hand copy in good condition might be sold in a shop for about 20 dollars. Thanks, Anne Killheffer Stratford Library Article 8730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen not laying ?. Date: 26 Jun 1997 23:22:15 GMT Lines: 79 Message-ID: <19970626232201.TAA22581@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc80c6$66fbf700$LocalHost@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8730 In article <01bc80c6$66fbf700$LocalHost@default>, writes: >One stock swarmed and the other is ok (?), I was able to find and destroy >any Queen Cells by checking the frames at 7 day intervals. > >Now the second last time that I checked the hive there were Queen Cells, 4 >I think so I destroyed them,( an experienced Beekeeper was with me) I >noticed that there was not very many eggs to be seen, just some 4/5 day old >uncapped larvae. The Queen is marked and seemed ok. > >Yesterday I checked again and there were no Queen Cells to be seen, BUT, >there were no eggs/larvae either. The Queen is present. >I phoned my Beekeeper friend and he said not to worry as the Queen could >have stopped laying and will start again and as long as the Queen was there >there was no need to worry. > >There is very little capped brood there and no eggs etc and I can't help >being just a little worried. > >Any advice would be most welcome. I'm not sure where the idea originated that cutting queen cells would stop swarming, but it is a common practice among hobbyists, and a very bad idea. It's time consuming, disruptive of the hive morale, and often fails, as you so dramatically illustrate. Most often the hive swarms and the replacement queen comes from a little bitty cell that the beekeeper missed in his inspections. You don't say where you are (always a good idea in a bee post), but I assume northern hemisphere and you are approaching midseason. In southern USA the heat is now developing and some queens are shutting down, but farther north, they should be going like gangbusters right now, as they are just coming into the main flow in a couple weeks. I'd requeen ASAP, killing the old queen, which appears to have worn out, and give the hive a frame of sealed brood from the other, so they will have young bees to care for the new queen. Without brood, your bees are getting old, and they will not accept a queen very well. If left in that state very long, they will also become mean, and very hard to handle. If you can't get a queen, you could give them a couple brood frames, making sure there are eggs. They could then try again to make a queen, though you probably won't get much from them, unless you have a very late flow. Otherwise, you can set this hive body over your good hive as a super, and you may make a pile of honey from that one, but you'll only have one. A wise old beekeeper told me, when I began, to study the bees and help them do what they wanted to do; then I would suceed. He said, if you fight the bees, you will lose. Cutting queen cells is one way of fighting the bees. They are ready to reproduce, and they know what is best for them. We want to bend them to our purposes a bit, but don't want to fight them. So our swarm control methods are geared to making them think they have already reproduced. One of the best ways is to take three brood frames with cells on them and make a nucleus colony (or two). They will make a very nice queen most of the time, because they are very well fed. If you don't need more colonies, you can recombine the nuc with the parent colony and leave them with a nice queen, ready to work. I wish you luck and encourage you to visit this forum often. There seems to be a large crop of new beekeepers this year, and I think that's great. I'll do all I can to help. We've just been though our main rush season, and now, with the coming of the midsummer heat, things are quieting down. Mostly, our bees just carry water in July. Pollinator@aol.com Hemingway, SC USA Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 8731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Subject: Re: Give the Bumblebee his own show! Message-ID: From: Clint Walsh Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:09:21 -0400 References: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> Organization: Bloomsburg University NNTP-Posting-Host: planetx.bloomu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Bobby Tendinitis In-Reply-To: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!andromeda.vec.net!vnntp.montagar.com!grove.iup.edu!jake.esu.edu!vesta.bloomu.edu!planetx.bloomu.edu!cwalsh Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:16476 alt.tv.simpsons:174674 alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy:3810 soc.culture.mexican:82212 soc.culture.mexican.american:26022 soc.culture.spain:150260 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8731 alt.music.korn:1384 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:66506 alt.fan.ok-soda:3702 He already has his own show on Channel Ocho. Clint M. Walsh cwalsh@planetx.bloomu.edu http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~cwalsh (Forthcoming) Article 8732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dragonflies Date: 26 Jun 1997 23:22:14 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19970626232201.TAA18906@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8732 In article <33B00E04.42F@means.net>, Paul Conklin writes: >I have a couple of new hives in an area with lot of dragonflys. I've >noticed some hanging out around to hive, and today I saw one snag a bee. > The bee got away, but it made me wonder if dragonflies could put a dent >in my bee population. Any thoughts? I doubt the dragonflies could seriously impact the worker population, but they can cause another serious problem. Queens fly much slower than workers, and when one goes out to mate, if there are dragonflies, she's a guaranteed goner. I have had to move queen mating nucs, because of high dragonfly populations. It's too much work and time lost to have them take the bulk of our young queens. Normally we like to have water near the bees, but for queen mating yards, areas near ponds may be bad, because of high dragonfly populations. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 8733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!sol.net!spool.mu.edu!newsspool.sol.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: "John Doe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: POLLINATION IN GLASS HOUSES Date: 27 Jun 1997 00:50:42 GMT Organization: Client of Sympac Computing Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bc8293$0cddd800$41441ecb@peter> NNTP-Posting-Host: illyarrie.sympac.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Cache-Post-Path: illyarrie.sympac.com.au!unknown@mdm-2-16.sympac.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8733 Has anyone any experience with pollination in glass houses ? I have been asked to pollinate about 1.5 acres of hydroponic tomatoes that will flower for about 9 or 10 months in a glass house . What is the best method of doing this ?. Geoff Seers Moe Australia Article 8734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dragonflies Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:08:31 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33B3128F.CC2571DF@valley.net> References: <33B00E04.42F@means.net> <33B15BD0.35B6@ix.netcom.com> <10C5125936846617.51B3CA289B2F9ADA.D57A635200E20B97@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-106.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8734 BusyKnight wrote: > Now as for the second part of your comment: You seem to > think that the realitive size of the bees to the dragonflies may > play a role in their selection of dinner. All I can say is that it > is obvious that you're not talking about TEXAS dragonflies! > There have been occasions where I thought some Hueys > were flying over my house (I realize I'm giving away my age > here, but...) only to realize it was some hovering dragonflies > around my hives! > > Best wishes... i don't know....sounds like one a them 'EVERYTHING'S bigger in texas' lines to me. ;) bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: POLLINATION IN GLASS HOUSES Date: 27 Jun 1997 03:16:55 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bc82a8$8b2f9800$258cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc8293$0cddd800$41441ecb@peter> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 26 10:16:55 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8735 John Doe wrote in article <01bc8293$0cddd800$41441ecb@peter>... > Has anyone any experience with pollination in glass houses ? > I have been asked to pollinate about 1.5 acres of hydroponic tomatoes that > will flower for about 9 or 10 months in a glass house . > What is the best method of doing this ?. > Geoff Seers > Moe > Australia > They use Bumblebee colonies to pollinate tomatoes in greenhouses. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted -- Sue Hubbell book on bees Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:13:09 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 21 Message-ID: <33B3AE55.6156@spam.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.inc.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!207.22.81.9!europa.clark.net!howland.erols.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.bihs.net!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8736 Reference Staff wrote: > > I'd like to buy a copy of Sue Hubbell's "Book > of Bees... and how to keep them." It's out of print > and I've tried the internet databases for out of > print books. (Interloc, Bibliofind, Bibliocity). > > Can anyone help? A second hand copy in good condition > might be sold in a shop for about 20 dollars. > > Thanks, > > Anne Killheffer > Stratford Library In the UK you could try Northern Bee Books ruxbury@delphi.com, I think they do an export service. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} Adrian.Kyte.3310836@bnf.ca [work] beeman@enterprise.net [home] Article 8737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!dciteleport.com!europa.clark.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:41:08 -0600 From: allend@internode.net Subject: Re: POLLINATION IN GLASS HOUSES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <867417939.11429@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <01bc8293$0cddd800$41441ecb@peter> <01bc82a8$8b2f9800$258cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 27 13:25:40 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 198.161.228.104 (dialin4.internode.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) X-Authenticated-Sender: allend@internode.net Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8737 > > Has anyone any experience with pollination in glass houses ? > They use Bumblebee colonies to pollinate tomatoes in > greenhouses. Honeybees have been used for years in Southern Alberta. However, it is very hard on the bees. Honeybees do not adjust well to being in a glass building and many spend their lives trying to fly through the glass. Others, however do learn to fly around inside and do pollinate satisfactorily. Nonetheless, it is necessary to take them out for periods to build back up to strength, since they get little variety in food inside and thus dwindle. The tendancy to use pesticides fairly regulary in greenhouses is also something to consider. Allen -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!netnews.upenn.edu!news.enter.net!usenet From: felony@AYSSPAMBLOCKbiosys.net (Phil Oliver) Newsgroups: alt.non.sequitur,alt.tv.simpsons,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.spain,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.music.korn,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.ok-soda,alt.genius.bill-palmer Subject: Re: Give the Bumblebee his own show! Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:01:16 GMT Organization: naw dude Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33c2d5aa.11853803@news.enter.net> References: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: m40nris-1-33.enter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:16492 alt.tv.simpsons:174733 alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy:3813 soc.culture.mexican:82264 soc.culture.mexican.american:26044 soc.culture.spain:150366 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8738 alt.music.korn:1394 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:66623 alt.fan.ok-soda:3707 On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:09:21 -0400, Clint Walsh wrote: >He already has his own show on Channel Ocho. I don't get Channel Ocho. -Phil Oliver ----- "I'm mean if you going to be hypocrite like the rest of us just admit you posturing potser." - Ruwan Jayatilleke, in Article 8739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!main.Germany.EU.net!news-reader.Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Markus Marbach" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-pic/Bienen-Foto #2 (bee_11.jpg) [1/2] Date: 27 Jun 1997 17:17:37 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet Germany; Info: info@Germany.EU.net Lines: 1137 Message-ID: <01bc830e$de300100$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: host164.seitz.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8739 Bienen-Königin mit Volk Queen-Bee with colony of bees begin 600 bee_11.jpg M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`0```0`!``#_VP!#``@&!@<&!0@'!P<)"0@*#!0-# L+ M#!D2$P\4'1H?'AT:'!P@)"XG("(L(QP<*#$6-#5# MZD%ELC1(OS M37U5\9*:"30H,(29?Q*2^:N;IZH2[?N_=I7SRCO1Z?&D\XG(Y7= M%*^.O+!2G8_(C %39_,MRFKXI[W0**F_5ZZ\=E]GL9>AK2OZ+Z,VX$GB*KC, MF.%D<9A[`25>^Z=1?A;3N5'IK+5/IM.H?A6RSQ>PORK=2;KW4OGJ<3C"'PV8 MM' <*J?3V6H+0'+DM_FY&>8WO[J6 M3OK#A6D-\6U,QELFY$CM").9KE?=;W];KIW_`*#T4*]RXG^[:)X.:9KNEMEW MU!F16M-RRTV[P8T]AOB!F0[)YY>U_P!7:/V@DVGF522R)U=A3Y:U8XP057X8]UUA3P&743?8,'HA!XHA:/!;EU$BK[UK_S;33E.-!'< MB'D.1$#.RO@*;=2)YD_JZFS,K=[#KBWE`YE<*N_Z/DPT#,6&;&,QWQ"B\+2) MD@(*B0Y7[WW^>I*D4RF@#35/SY,UIN0Z+YHI;)?OVZ]?4[+F0XX.M4V&Q'CD8PP;%[FN&(V]5[:M4RQU));+8< M4].:939TS%83O)D.D (#"$G036R[7^/?2*K!#JE>Y11FRE*ZW'F.R01L@>\W M.#%;6/M_97;6,F2XT;4N2\ N. 0C'S1!D 6W6'8="1N7+,'ZD9N".(MQRM84 M3]*RZFJZY#-Y64I8/#;<'BFFP)+S\H9+KI9"]?#$!)M;V3WE/27B=ZH4642S M09GL!/(A+UYR*N!.#V+1=(:>CDT`YBY"=<][=.75_BNF5MHB3-3[F+%5>"G?:')!QDG7!Y;NY9)U$Y\ M%)>LO[.GL&KN39'2]R1(.R=EOJ-C0RFTN.U&C/LQG)!"1?G-[ M=.^R>AV_5+3E_AJ1+C\K[5E"4?VA,R01,5OZ6MK5%3Y<"TV;X\C ?%5 Y$2% M&YPR"ZB)[8UV7V:_V?3^.M8U/&.$B9.-]R:R&3N0('*MY>A;Y+^M^.F-&H;@ M1/$OU@VVV2Y9"T8.^M\;(G3OWR4O-\M:<4L4\I+4'[7-RHRVL7R +(@ILV1) M^[O_``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`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I heard it on the telly a while ago. 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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:28:14 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5ocjt2$24e@news.enter.net> <33c2d5aa.11853803@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bulmers.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: bulmers.demon.co.uk [158.152.111.119] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.non.sequitur:16515 alt.tv.simpsons:174746 alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy:3816 soc.culture.mexican:82294 soc.culture.mexican.american:26046 soc.culture.spain:150400 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8747 alt.music.korn:1406 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:66674 alt.fan.ok-soda:3713 In article <33c2d5aa.11853803@news.enter.net>, Phil Oliver writes >On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:09:21 -0400, Clint Walsh > wrote: > >>He already has his own show on Channel Ocho. > >I don't get Channel Ocho. > >-Phil Oliver >----- >"I'm mean if you going to be hypocrite like the rest of us >just admit you posturing potser." - Ruwan Jayatilleke, in > I don't get Channel Ocho. -- Martin Bulmer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Somebody, who comparied to me, has infinite and abosolute power and knowledge." Article 8748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!vic.news.telstra.net!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!bulb.garlic.com!news.scruz.net!redtail.cruzio.com!usenet From: Keith Kimes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted -- Sue Hubbell book on bees Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:03:23 -0700 Organization: Cruzio Community Networking Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33B438AB.29DC@cruzio.com> References: <33B3AE55.6156@spam.bnr.ca> Reply-To: kkimes@cruzio.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mbay206.cruzio.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8748 Adrian Kyte wrote: > > Reference Staff wrote: > > > > I'd like to buy a copy of Sue Hubbell's "Book > > of Bees... and how to keep them." It's out of print > > and I've tried the internet databases for out of > > print books. (Interloc, Bibliofind, Bibliocity). > > > > Can anyone help? A second hand copy in good condition > > might be sold in a shop for about 20 dollars. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Anne Killheffer > > Stratford Library > > In the UK you could try Northern Bee Books ruxbury@delphi.com, I think > they do an export service. > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > > Adrian.Kyte.3310836@bnf.ca [work] beeman@enterprise.net [home] Try Amazon books at http://www.amazon.com They list both the hard back and paper back as hard to find but may be able to get it for you. Article 8750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indentification of Varroa Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:01:36 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 37 Message-ID: <33AF547D.6F64@starpoint.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8750 Nick Cooke wrote: > > When I was last seriously beekeeping some years ago, varroa was not a > problem. Now it is. How do I know if a colony is suffering? What do I > look for? > Hi Nick It seems like the good old days for the beekeeper are long gone, only the serious beekeepers are left. This year is my first year back beekeeping after almost 20 years out of the busness. Starting with 25 hives will increase to 100 next year, mites will have to move out. One way of identifing varroa mites is the hive is that some bees will be very small and no wings, Parasytic mite syndrome (PMS). It's hard to actually see the mites on the bees, easier to spot on the drone larvae. uncap and check for little red spider like critters. I have been using mineral oil on the tops of the frames and it seems to be helping, bees with PMS has dropped of in the colonies that were the worst. One problem is that your don't want to put to much on the top bars, can kill bees immediately. I watched about 30 bees die right away on the first hive I treated, so careful not to put too much on top bars. a very thin strip applied to top bars works great, mites can not live with the oil on them. Hope this helps. > -- > Nick > ZFC Cd > nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk > _ _______________ > |___|______________|__ > _/|____________________/______________ > > A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive > SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive > Using 1.14 Article 8751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: building hives Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:32:50 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 25 Message-ID: <33AF23C2.6320@starpoint.net> References: <01bc7779$1ae9a840$LocalHost@raymond.tinet.ie> <33A0CBA2.77C6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8751 Nick Cooke wrote: > > In article <33A0CBA2.77C6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, Pete Wolcott > wrote: > > Take a look at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html > > Nice drawing of Langstroth hives. > > > I tried that site this morning but for some reason I could not get the pages > to load (site unavailable or summat) > > -- > Nick > ZFC Cd > nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk > _ _______________ > |___|______________|__ > _/|____________________/______________ > > A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive > SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive > Using 1.14 > > I am not sure if this is your problem but you do need the Adobe Acrobat program resident as a plugin to your web browser. Article 8752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aggressive Bees Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706280514592099@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 79 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8752 FYI* CROSS POSTED for interest. ---------------------------------------- EC>From: Ed Costanza >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:54:44 -0400 >Subject: Aggressive Bees EC>What can you do to make an excessively aggressive hive of bees more docile? > Out of 15 hives of bees and 30 years of keeping bees I can never remember a >hive so aggressive. >Edgewood, NM (30 miles east of Albuquerque) Hi ED, WOW it must be a HOT one for sure as the bees in New Mexico are well know for their temperament in certain areas. Anyway for those individual hives that are too hot to handle you should KILL the queen and replace her with one from a different stock, like a mail order queen if possible from California of course or the South. I would for sure shop outside of my normal channels to get in some new blood other then your own. This is the easiest advice to give but as a beekeeper who has studied beekeepers for a lifetime it is not always the one that is followed as many of us beekeepers share one gene in common and its called "WNWN", (waste not want not), and more times then not we would spend much time, effort, and money on our bees before we would kill them no matter what the problem, disease, pests or predators. And its the same the world over no matter what is advertised by government PR persons. I would guess thats why there are so may different confusing solutions to every apiary problem. I try to say go with what works for you and thats what I try to write about. I have experienced these hot individual hives that can make a bad hair day seem tame by comparison and have found that sometimes it is almost impossible to fine that queen because the bees themselves are not only on the tooth but are very flighty or nervous, even to the queen who will run and hide and I have even seen them take wing from the corner of the box as I closed in for the kill after looking for her on every frame, and I have even found them under the hive at least once. I also would advise that she or anyone like here be killed on sight as it always seems coming back the 2nd time she is always harder to find if not impossible at times and no matter what the color or flavor of that bee hive if a few individual hives are impossible to work they are seldom worth the effort. SO if possible plan ahead and have a small nuc with an established queen to introduce if you do find the nasty queen and can kill her, or you can take the aggressive hive and make several weak nucs from it and in a few days add new queens to the parts that have started cells and maybe get lucky and find the queen or queens in the one that has not started cells. OR in time this queen will fail and be replaced by here own daughter and may or may not bee as aggressive, normally not as aggressive in commercial yard situations but it may be a good idea to not wait as these queens seem to out last the best of the rest as it seems that aggressive behaviour is coupled with longevity, or better stated they are the survivors. I know one beekeeper in the SW that has confirmed "Tex-Mex, Killer, Afro," bees and takes advantage of them by making all his increase from them as they are, he says, not only some times, but not always, more aggressive then his normally aggressive bees and better at brood rearing and will swarm out if not divided early and often. He uses cells he rears from his and others stock of dark Italian type bees and is satisfied with the results. He also kills the queens from the most aggressive hives without regards to race or preference when they can be found. Good Hunting, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Ihr habt alle keine Chancen aber nutzt sie." Article 8753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic foundation Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <9706280514592100@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 74 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8753 FYI* Question on bee comb foundation. ---------------------------------------- MG>From: Mark Goodwin >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:10:07 +1200 >Subject: Plastic foundation >Organization: HortResearch,Ruakura,NZ MG>Does anyone have a reference for a scientific paper comparing the >performance of plastic foundation and wax foundation. Hello Mark, I am sure that there are some and hope someone will forward them to you. But from experience in beekeeping testing, and most beekeepers this area use rigid plastic foundations not because it is more better for the bees but because it is stronger and holds up well with mechanical uncapping machines and very fast radial extractors, and is not labor intensive to install in the wooden frames. Anyway in beekeeper field testing the bees always preferred wax foundation over wax covered plastic film foundations, or rigid plastic foundations with or without bees wax coatings. All one has to do is put on foundation during a honey flow with the wax foundations, and the plastic together to see the difference. If one were to use what is most acceptable by the bees we would use foundations made of waxes other then beeswax which because of lower melting points possible are drawn out much faster and make wonderful combs, BUT we don't do this here in the USA because of the fear of adulteration of all beeswax that in time could lower the price of beeswax to that of the once cheep petrol chemical waxes that were once waste products of the petrol industry and are no longer so cheep. I suspect we are in todays world being a little conservative, but then we are beekeepers pure in heart, our honey, and have virgin beeswax and a well known history of letting the other guy profit from the rewards of our labors of love including the problems associated with it. One also could use drone size foundation as they will draw these out by the super full in the spring on very little honey flow and the honey extracts faster and cleaner from the bigger cells. Drone combs that is available for the queen to lay in will be used and good brood combs will not be changed by the bees to rear drones. (Not a problem with hard plastic combs.) Also varroa testing and trapping is said to be possible with drone combs. I can not say this part is all that true with full extracting supers of drone combs because even though the queen will lay in them during the honey flow if not restricted by excluders or the intensity of the flow I believe the mites do better in the warmer central brood area and don't always use the drone brood in the supers as I have found it more easy to find low levels of varroa mites in drone brood in the normal brood area and the drone brace combs the bees will build between the brood chamber and supers then in the honey supers of drone combs. If you want to have extra long queen cell and not the nubbins that come with hard plastic cell cups and bees wax machine made cell cups, make your own and add *Mobil Wax. They can be so long you may have trouble using them as they will be attached at the bottom of the next cell bar or to whatever is handy. Any way some of the local queen breeders this area use all plastic queen cell cups and produce small cells which appear to produce very nice queens when fully mated. Again because it is cost effective and a labor saving thing to do, none use anything other then bees wax for their cell cups or foundation as far as they know. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Un Dia Tal Vez! (One Day Maybe) Article 8754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33B56FFB.5E26@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 16:11:39 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: building hives References: <01bc7779$1ae9a840$LocalHost@raymond.tinet.ie> <33A0CBA2.77C6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <33AF23C2.6320@starpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.75.240 Lines: 30 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.enteract.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.75.240 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8754 Try deleteing everything after the .com to get his home page then go forward from there. Elroy Rogers wrote: > > Nick Cooke wrote: > > > > In article <33A0CBA2.77C6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, Pete Wolcott > > wrote: > > > Take a look at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html > > > Nice drawing of Langstroth hives. > > > > > I tried that site this morning but for some reason I could not get the pages > > to load (site unavailable or summat) > > > > -- > > Nick > > ZFC Cd > > nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk > > _ _______________ > > |___|______________|__ > > _/|____________________/______________ > > > > A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive > > SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive > > Using 1.14 > > > > > I am not sure if this is your problem but you do need the Adobe Acrobat > program resident as a plugin to your web browser. Article 8755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Permaculture West" Subject: natural design seminar Message-ID: <01bc7dff$ca3c1940$2d3aa3cd@permawest.olywa.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:50:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 86 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inil.com!news.compuvar.com!news.olywa.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8755 BUILDING THE NATURAL COMMUNITY Permaculture Design Course September 6th-19th, 1997 Oakville, WA ...imagine...living in a community that is blended into the natural environment. Homes crafted from the native landscape are designed to heat and cool themselves while remaining elegant and affordable. 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Oakville, WA 98568 Ph: (360) 352-6509 Fx: (360) 273-7117 E-mail: permawest@olywa.net Article 8756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indentification of Varroa Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:23:18 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 87 Message-ID: <33B5B906.2732D33@valley.net> References: <33AF547D.6F64@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-121.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) To: Elroy Rogers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8756 Elroy Rogers wrote: > Nick Cooke wrote: > > > > When I was last seriously beekeeping some years ago, varroa was not > a > > problem. Now it is. How do I know if a colony is suffering? What > do I > > look for? > > > Hi Nick > It seems like the good old days for the beekeeper are long > gone, only > the serious beekeepers are left. This year is my first year back > beekeeping after almost 20 years out of the busness. Starting with 25 > hives will increase to 100 next year, mites will have to move out. > > One way of identifing varroa mites is the hive is that some bees will > be > very small and no wings, Parasytic mite syndrome (PMS). It's hard to > actually see the mites on the bees, easier to spot on the drone > larvae. > uncap and check for little red spider like critters. I have been using > > mineral oil on the tops of the frames and it seems to be helping, bees > > with PMS has dropped of in the colonies that were the worst. One > problem > is that your don't want to put to much on the top bars, can kill bees > immediately. I watched about 30 bees die right away on the first hive > I > treated, so careful not to put too much on top bars. a very thin strip > > applied to top bars works great, mites can not live with the oil on > them. > Hope this helps. > > > -- > > Nick > > ZFC Cd > > nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk > > _ _______________ > > |___|______________|__ > > _/|____________________/______________ > > > > A5000, Original Serial Port, 4MB RAM, 41 MB IDE Hard Drive > > SCSI Card with CD-ROM and 507MB Hard drive > > Using 1.14 greetings, i have a question for you, elroy, if you don't mind. i am a first-time beekeeper with one hive. i plan to remain a hobbyist, maybe adding a hive or two as time goes on [assuming my first one is a success, which it gives all appearances of being. i know, winter is the true test.] i'm very interested in using mineral oil as an adjunctive treatment to the basic apistan strips, as i like the idea of being able to treat the colony all season long. i bought some food grade mineral oil, but i've held off on using it, until the colony has matured a little. i figure, if i mess up the first application and accidentally kill a few bees [shudder], it will have less impact, if the colony is larger. my question is: do you apply the mineral oil to the top bars of ALL the boxes, both supers and brood, or only to the brood, and if only to the brood boxes, do you apply it to the top bars of all the brood boxes in a hive? i know, that's really two questions disguised as one. right now, i only have one deep in place, but i'll be adding a second one shortly, as they are drawing comb like mad. at the rate they're going, i might even add a shallow super later, although everthing they produce will all be for the bees this first year. i want to give my bees the best possible chance of surviving [and thriving]. thank you, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.71.16.13!newsfeed.sover.net!granite.sover.net!geoewald From: George Ewald Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: POLLINATION IN GLASS HOUSES Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:24:47 -0400 Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <01bc8293$0cddd800$41441ecb@peter> NNTP-Posting-Host: granite.sover.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <01bc8293$0cddd800$41441ecb@peter> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8757 Unfortunately, by hand, or at least that's how my greenhouse friends did it. On 27 Jun 1997, John Doe wrote: > Has anyone any experience with pollination in glass houses ? > I have been asked to pollinate about 1.5 acres of hydroponic tomatoes that > will flower for about 9 or 10 months in a glass house . > What is the best method of doing this ?. > Geoff Seers > Moe > Australia > > Article 8758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aggressive Bees Date: 29 Jun 1997 04:30:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 83 Message-ID: <01bc8445$35e15160$278cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9706280514592099@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jun 28 11:30:39 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8758 Andy Nachbaur wrote in article <9706280514592099@beenet.com>... > SO if possible plan ahead and have a small nuc with an established queen > to introduce if you do find the nasty queen and can kill her, or you can > take the aggressive hive and make several weak nucs from it and in a few > days add new queens to the parts that have started cells and maybe get > lucky and find the queen or queens in the one that has not started > cells. OR in time this queen will fail and be replaced by here own > daughter and may or may not bee as aggressive, normally not as aggressive > in commercial yard situations but it may be a good idea to not wait as > these queens seem to out last the best of the rest as it seems that > aggressive behaviour is coupled with longevity, or better stated they are > the survivors. Lotsa claims are laid for the mean snots - some folks think they make more honey if they are mean - some think they live longer. They may or may not do both - when they do either it likely has something to do with less human interference with them. After all who wants to get ate alive? And how sure are you that the mean queen did live longer? Was she marked and clipped? (marks sometimes wear off and some old queens have worn their wings to mere stubs) If she wasn't you just don't know if it is the same queen UNLESS the new queen is a completely different color - like a tiger stripe replacing a black queen. Very often the queen's daughters will resemble her quite closely so it is certainly possible that an evil daughter replaced the evil unmarked, unclipped mother and nobody was the wiser. We fairly frequently find mother/daughter two queen colonies - illustrating the point that they can supersede without you knowing it. Some racial crosses (both races known for gentleness) are notorious for being mean in the first generation - but can be downright placid in following generations. An example would be Carnica virgins mated to Buckfast &/or Italian drones (which not only produces a bit snotty but also a bit swarmy bee "as a rule"). We have made that cross here and one of the stand out nastiest colonies I have ever seen came from it. But by picking from the gentler of the nasties the next generation was just fine for both temperament and swarming. Even now we occasionally get a nasty one popping out of the woodwork. Like one I brought back to the home yard from pollination duty - musta had around 300 stingers stuck in my clothes from loading that one by hand (lucky it was the last one) - as soon as I touched the hive they had bees fanning out over the entire outside hive surface and the devils would not leave off either - I had to wear my veil all the way home, park the truck up by the beeyard and walk down to the house all the while with that less than friendly angry buzz sounding loudly in my ears - had to kill a few too that got inside under my elastic veil tied down tight. Left that one to set on the truck until it was daylight and warm out - still was seriously torqued about getting moved but downright calm compared to when I had moved it 3 feet from its stand onto the truck the night before. Something else I've noted - bees aim for different areas depending on the strain. Lotsa bees around here aim for your face. Some aim for your ankles. Some (luckily very very very few) aim for your crotch. And some go for the shotgun approach - aiming for all vulnerable areas all to once. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 8759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mail Order Queen Bees Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:43:08 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 278 Message-ID: <5p4p6v$83$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-242.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8759 A source of Queen Bees via mail order (USA only). For those who are looking for something different such as the "cordovan"... the real thing is all yellow (almost red) including the bands and very easy to spot at work in your garden or field. 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:59:41 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8761 There is a methode in Holland to get ride of Varoa mites without chemicals. it is called the drone methode have a look at the site of Jan Tempelman He describes this in English German and dutch. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html -- Abe Maaijen Beijerscheweg 73 2821 Ne Stolwijk tel/fax ++31 182 514486 E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ Article 8762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suche im Internet nach Bienen-Webseiten Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:11:03 +0200 Organization: Maaijen aanemersbedrijf and NoVeZe Fishing Holland Message-ID: <33B634B7.124A@xs4all.nl> References: <01bc8311$87134140$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ztm01-04.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:13:34 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8762 Markus Marbach wrote: > > Hi, > Ich suche Information über Bienen & Imker > Im vorraus vielen Dank http://web.inter.NL.net/hcc/beenet/bmarks.htm http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/bijen_index.html http://members.aol.com/MGKilian/bienen.htm http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/beelink1.html http://www.phoaks.com/phoaks/sci/agriculture/beekeeping/resources0.html http://www.millhouse.co.uk/bibba/ http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/honeybee.html (mine own page) Viele grusse Abe Maaijen Beijerscheweg 73 2821 Ne Stolwijk tel/fax ++31 182 514486 E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ Article 8763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: janczek@aol.com (JanCzek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insects Respirometer Date: 29 Jun 1997 19:56:12 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <19970629195600.PAA26082@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8763 O2/CO2 Bio- Respirometer We developed very sensitive O2/CO2 respirometer intended to measure respiration of bacteria , algae, fungi, bacterial response to antybiotics and toxins, respiration of soil, etc. Up to 80 sample chambers ( variety of sizes) can be connected to Respirometer which is equipped with O2 and CO2, analyzers Optional CH4 and H2S, NH3, H2 are also avilable. Due to the exceptionally high sensitivity 0.2 uL of gas /h, can be used for testing biodegradation of plastics, hydrocarbons, explosives, creozote as well as respiration of insects, aquatic plants and fish. If you need more information and published papers on its applications please reply with your street address. Jan Czekajewski,Ph.D. janzcek@aol.com Article 8764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: eshel95313@aol.com (EShel95313) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: 29 Jun 1997 22:45:49 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19970629224500.SAA02690@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk References: <33a8364c.27959467@news.iserv.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8764 I have just tried to subscribe and as far as I can see it has worked, as they have asked me for confirmation. I applied to the address at the bottom of the BEE-L information as they said and then I got an e-mail asking to confirm at another address. While I am here, is there an online chat facility for beekeepers around here anywhere? Thank you. Article 8765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles V. Soderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mail Order Queen Bees Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:24:04 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <33B6FCA4.3278@worldnet.att.net> References: <5p4uue$brc$1@zinger.callamer.com> Reply-To: ChuckSoderquist@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.18.126 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8765 Ordered one of these cordovan Italians last week in fact. Very fast service as I received her in less than 36 hours from CA to Denver. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes Article 8766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:01:07 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33B71363.4FECC16D@valley.net> References: <33a8364c.27959467@news.iserv.net> <19970629224500.SAA02690@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-101.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8766 EShel95313 wrote: > I have just tried to subscribe and as far as I can see it has worked, > as > they have asked me for confirmation. I applied to the address at the > bottom of the BEE-L information as they said and then I got an e-mail > asking to confirm at another address. > > While I am here, is there an online chat facility for beekeepers > around > here anywhere? > > Thank you. check out BeeChat at: http://www.widtech.com/beechat/beechat.html bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 8767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!news.internetMCI.com!not-for-mail From: 646+464654@987967614314.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Send Thousand of Newsgroup Posts Date: 30 Jun 1997 08:23:47 GMT Organization: Internet MCI Lines: 48 Message-ID: <5p7qej$qk4$3631@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr9-dialup40.mix1.bloomington.mci.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8767 Mailloop is an Industrial Bulk Email and Newsgroup Broadcasting Program. 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If you interested in these and many other features that Mailloop has to offer, or to obtain a copy, Visit Our Web Site: http://205.199.4.219 Article 8768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Roadside spraying Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:25:15 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33B0B9CA.4358@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cardassia-20.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8768 I remembered reading on this news group about someone stoping their state from spraying chemicals on the roadsides for weed control. If they read this, I would like to know how they did it so I can try it here in Minnesota. It does seem such a waste of tax dollars being used to kill sweet clover and alfalfa on our state highways. Thanks Elroy Article 8769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: n4ssd@aol.com (N4ssd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping by Ron Brown - book sought Date: 30 Jun 1997 13:46:41 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19970630134601.JAA11068@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc84ca$2449ae40$a83563c3@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8769 In article <01bc84ca$2449ae40$a83563c3@default>, "Peter Barrett" writes: >I am trying to obtain a copy of >"Beekeeping - a seasonal guide" >by Ron Brown >publisher Batsford >I think this is now out of print. >Any assistance appreciated. >Regards, Pete >pete.barrett@btinternet.com A great source on the internet for beekeeping books is: http://www.amazon.com The book you requested information about is listed there as "out of print" at Amazon.Com but they will try to find a copy for you if requested. It could take a while though. Good luck and God bless. Fred B. Hembree, Jr. n4ssd@aol.com Article 8770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dianajudd@aol.com (DianaJudd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey Date: 30 Jun 1997 13:57:14 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19970630135701.JAA14932@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8770 Please could you advise me on the healing properties of honey as. What specific illness or allergies is it good for? Article 8771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!btnet-feed1!BTInternet!usenet From: "Peter Barrett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: out of print book - Ron Brown's Beekeeping Date: 29 Jun 1997 12:18:59 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <01bc8486$9d00f120$683c63c3@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-60-104.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8771 I am trying to obtain a copy of Ron Brown's book Beekeeping - a seasonal guide published by Batsford ISBN 0 7134 44894 I believe this book is now out of print. Would appreciate help. Regards, Ann Briggs via peter.barrett@btinternet.com Article 8772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee skyscraper Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:48:42 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 5 Message-ID: <33B7B93A.5414@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d15.dial-10.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8772 How many deep supers can you put on, and how many should you out on? Thank you Marc Article 8773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: out of print book - Ron Brown's Beekeeping Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:25:35 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc8486$9d00f120$683c63c3@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 3.02 Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8773 In article <01bc8486$9d00f120$683c63c3@default>, Peter Barrett writes >I am trying to obtain a copy of Ron Brown's book >Beekeeping - a seasonal guide published by Batsford >ISBN 0 7134 44894 >I believe this book is now out of print. >Would appreciate help. >Regards, Ann Briggs via peter.barrett@btinternet.com I think it may still be available, try (in recommended order) Northern Bee Books, Scout Bottom Farm, Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge, West Yorks HX7 5SJ Tel 01422 882751 Fax 01422 886157 (Also I believe on the 'net' URL not known, sorry) BBNO, Tapping wall Farm, Burrowbridge Nr. Bridgewater, Somerset, TA7 0RY Tel01823 698781 B & K Books, Riverside, Newport Street, Hay-on-Wye, Hereford HR3 5BG (All UK) -- Tom Speight Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/

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