From npatt@snet.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: where to get very small extractor Date: 1 Jun 1999 12:08:18 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7j0ifi$s8d@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh2-port218.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17956 Do you know where I can purchase a 2-3 frame hand crank extractor cheap. I have one hive and don't want or need anything bigger. Norm npatt@snet.net From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:24:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7iv3dj$4rp$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990601002459.12514.00009267@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17957 I'm too new to have ever faced this problem, but seems like most of the the book authors agree taht the bee blower is easiest. From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue Jun 1 22:02:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:25:20 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928247203 25375 129.173.88.206 (1 Jun 1999 14:26:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 14:26:43 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17958 Peter Edwards wrote: > > I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is > also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees > that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about > the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; snip IPA (isopentyl acetate) is a important part of the honey bee alarm pheromone. It has a fruity smell and is very volatile. On the abdomen tip is a gland which produces this pheromone, and after you got stung the gland remains with the stinger in your skin to label the target. If the stuff is released by bees to alarm the colonie the effect is not very long lasting, only minutes or even seconds (but the colonie responds to subsequent signals much faster). A stinger in your skin, or glan tissue on your fingers after removing the stinger ist very active for at least 30 minutes. Wash your hands after removing a stinger, or use vinegar solution to mask the pheromone scent. Otherwise it's just a matter of time to catch another one. Cheers Ulli From hutchiso@ccp.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm in tree Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: CCP Online Message-ID: <928253688.517046@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup136-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:15:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928253787 207.193.195.8 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:16:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:16:27 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17959 Just got a call from a lady that has a swarm of bees that showed up and made their home in an old oak tree in her yard. She wants them taken away. How do I get them out of the tree?? Appreciate any help. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:07:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3753F732.1D4F10E@worldnet.att.net> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928249611 11192 12.72.0.11 (1 Jun 1999 15:06:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:06:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17960 A few years ago Dear Abbey ran a long discussion of this topic of toilet paper flap up or down, with many writers sending in passionate opinions of why one way or another is superior. One young woman pretty much ended the matter by writing in to say that she was looking for a young man with rather more on his mind than such topics. Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > "Barry Birkey" writes: > > > > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of > >toilet paper on the holder. > > > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" > > Aaron Morris - thinking TP is far more interesting than BK! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.primenet.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:09:29 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7j0t39$hn6$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17961 To pollinator's response I'll also add for SE Penn, depending where you are, wild roses and various brambles (some ending, some just getting started) and honeysuckles. There is also a little wild mustard still blooming, though that tends to be an earlier source. Dave T. Gabe (Redshrike@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : Hi all, : I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. : I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this : area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this : area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the : heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? : Thanks, : Gabe -- From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:19:52 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928261143 23073 12.72.3.32 (1 Jun 1999 18:19:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 18:19:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17962 Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a few times. The season is still early here at 3,000 feet, but the days are hot. The blackberry and star thistle are still weeks from bloom, so why would bees ignore one of the few feed sources around, especially when it's only about 20 feet from home? Beetools wrote: > > Another possible explaination to your observation is that there is a plant/tree > with a narrow nectar window. Flowers do not have nectar in them all day long - > only at certian hours of the day. Bees will not waste their time visitng > flowers without nectar and will wait until the necatr is up in the flower > before visiting and stop when it drops. > > This is a constant "education" process with growers who call beekeepers > providing pollianino services and complain that they just went into their > orchard at 9AM and their isn't a single bee on their cherry trees (or whatever > crop). We tell them to check again at 3PM and the grower finds the trees all a > buzz. > > Ron Bennett > Luckiamute Bee From Steve_Hird@hp.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: Steve Hird Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No brood question Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:18:31 -0500 Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 13 Message-ID: <375415E7.B908E609@hp.com> Reply-To: Steve_Hird@hp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mtdsteve.lvld.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17963 I have three hives now, one from a swarm I captured two weeks ago. One of the other hives has no developing brood, but does have at least one queen cell that is occupied. Early in the spring the queen was laying fine. This hive may have created the captured swarm. There is still plenty of worker bees in the hive. Should I be worried about this lack of brood? Is it maybe a lull caused by the swarm leaving and the new queen taking over or maybe a mid honey flow lull in bee production? any ideas would be helpful. Maybe the queen cells are the bees attempt to remedy this problem? None of my bee keeping books has any mention of this sort of situation. From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:01:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 01 1:53:26 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17964 Hasta B. Shasta wrote: >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a >few times What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:14:03 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1835081DES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17965 In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> "Barry Birkey" writes: > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >toilet paper on the holder. > Definitely so the TP rolls off towards you. Aaron Morris - thinking bandwidth is a wonderful thing to waste! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 1 22:02:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:16:07 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17966 In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> "Barry Birkey" writes: > > ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >toilet paper on the holder. > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" Aaron Morris - thinking TP is far more interesting than BK! From beetools@aol.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 15:50:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17967 Another possible explaination to your observation is that there is a plant/tree with a narrow nectar window. Flowers do not have nectar in them all day long - only at certian hours of the day. Bees will not waste their time visitng flowers without nectar and will wait until the necatr is up in the flower before visiting and stop when it drops. This is a constant "education" process with growers who call beekeepers providing pollianino services and complain that they just went into their orchard at 9AM and their isn't a single bee on their cherry trees (or whatever crop). We tell them to check again at 3PM and the grower finds the trees all a buzz. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From barry@birkey.com Tue Jun 1 22:02:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:44:00 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17968 In article <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> , SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > "Barry Birkey" writes: > >> >> ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of >>toilet paper on the holder. >> > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" Definitely fold. I think wasn't it someone by the name of Langstroth (name rings a bell for some reason) that discovered proper TP spacing? I think it's 4-1/2" to every perforation. He found that given this spacing of perforations, humans would tend to waste less (pardon the pun) TP than TP that was not perforated. In the days of the out house, this nonperforated type wasn't as much of a problem as the roll usually was not in a holder of any kind and the pit could handle large amounts of TP. With the invention of indoor plumbing, pipes would get clogged quite often so Langstroth's discovery forever changed this aspect of our lives. I think he also was instrumental in the development of the TP dispensers that one sees at public restrooms as I quote from my copy of THE HOUSE AND THE HUMAN. "Also, unlike some other dispensers, Langstroth's could be tiered - built up from a number of holders one placed above another - and this is of great practical utility when working a heavy ***** flow." Forgive me, I wasted far more bandwidth then you did. Barry From bek@e-postboks.dk Tue Jun 1 22:02:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news100.image.dk!news020.image.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bernd Kuemmel" Subject: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Organization: privat Message-ID: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:09:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.54.70.53 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@image.dk X-Trace: news020.image.dk 928271357 212.54.70.53 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:09:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:09:17 MET DST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34662 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17969 sci.agriculture.fruit:2778 sci.bio.botany:9889 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8903 Dear Reader I am currently investigating the following, unfortunately very difficult, questions: 1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every 2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many flowering days can I count on)? 2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? 3. If I increase the share of SRC willow from 0 to 5% (or 10%) of a 1 square kilometre (c. .35 sq miles) area, how much would this extra pollen during spring mean for the build-up of the bee family (like in how much would its size [=number bees in %] be enlarged)? 4. What would this better start during spring mean for the summer honey production? I especially need information on question 1. I would especially appreciate guidance to literature, or also IN, references. Thank you in advance. Bernd Kuemmel From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 22:02:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:15:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-108.hyalgan.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 928279020 8175 62.136.71.108 (1 Jun 1999 23:17:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 23:17:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17970 Used fondant for three years now and it is excellent. Some of the advantages: Easy to store Does not deteriorate like unused syrup No mixing Can feed many colonies very quickly - particularly useful in a bad Spring No need for expensive feeders No leaking syrup No robbing Can be fed at any time of the year I have made up some simple ekes - 2.5 inches high - and place one of these on the colony above the brood box. I then cut the 12.5 kg block of fondant in half lengthways and place it cut side down directly on the queen excluder, crown board on top, then roof. I treat for varroa using thymol, 1 tsp. in an old honey jar lid and this goes on the Q/E as well. Last Autumn I fed and treated 90 colonies in 8 hours; I am sure that it would have taken longer just to mix up syrup. David Smith wrote in message <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com>... >Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's >fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to >comment on them? From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 22:02:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:49:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net> References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928280897 12297 12.72.192.148 (1 Jun 1999 23:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 1999 23:48:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17971 Well, hot damn! The flowers on the clover are red; if that makes it red clover, I guess you've got it. The few honey bees I've seen there rush >from bloom to bloom, never spending anywhere near the amount of time the bumble bees spend at each blossom. David Scribner wrote: > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. > >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of > >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my > >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several > >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a > >few times > > What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than > white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long > for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer > tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of > nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and > enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From calin@ozemail.com.au Fri Jun 4 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:25:03 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <375487EF.246EAA36@ozemail.com.au> References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928283052 9616 203.63.79.234 (2 Jun 1999 00:24:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 00:24:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17972 You situation is very much like the one in "swarm in a tree" (just 2 posts before yours) My reply that post also applies to you except except that instead of cutting down the tree you COULD open up about 1 or 2 square metres of the wall. The website mentioned in that reply answers a lot of the questions you friend is asking you todd@interadnet.com wrote: > First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour > post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. > > Situation: > A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the > walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if > possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them > started.) > > Problem > 1. We've never done this before. > 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" > 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. > 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a > Pesticide solution. > > Options > How do we get the queen/swarm out? > We've heard of drumming? > Could we bait with a caged queen? > Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? > Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? > > Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. > > BTW were in Apex NC. > > Thanks > Todd Wittlief From honeybs@radix.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:14:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7j1u8n$24b$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17973 David Smith wrote: >Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's >fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to >comment on them? The liquid smoke is similar to a cigarette butt in a urinal - it's very hard to light! On the serious side I like it for one or two colonies but for real serious bee work I prefer old smokey. It seems to give better control. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From helmick@webtv.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <24024-37548A7B-85@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApNW0/b0hIstGJxixFiL3DdDhpLcCFCWWPxatGl2oWAfoeAohTU9IBR05 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17974 I remember when the toliet paper came by the page and we "crumbled" (especially the shiney pages. From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:08:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <37549218.4C09@midwest.net> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:19:41 GMT X-Trace: 928289981.009.42 JF3D7GB4M1C10D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17975 Aw, you all, and that Lang guy, are a bunch of a.. retentives - *everyone* knows the only natural position for the TP is atop the bar, top bar TP - only 'natural' way - allows for true freedom & self expression. For further enlightenment I offer the following: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mineart/tpaper2.html AL Barry Birkey wrote: > > In article <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> , SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu > (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > > In article <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> > > "Barry Birkey" writes: > > > >> > >> ... which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of > >>toilet paper on the holder. > >> > > No wait! The TP should roll off so that it's between the wall and the roll. > > It tears better that way. Now the REAL controversy is, "crumple or fold?" > > Definitely fold. I think wasn't it someone by the name of Langstroth (name > rings a bell for some reason) that discovered proper TP spacing? I think > it's 4-1/2" to every perforation. He found that given this spacing of > perforations, humans would tend to waste less (pardon the pun) TP than TP > that was not perforated. In the days of the out house, this nonperforated > type wasn't as much of a problem as the roll usually was not in a holder of > any kind and the pit could handle large amounts of TP. With the invention > of indoor plumbing, pipes would get clogged quite often so Langstroth's > discovery forever changed this aspect of our lives. > > I think he also was instrumental in the development of the TP dispensers > that one sees at public restrooms as I quote from my copy of THE HOUSE AND > THE HUMAN. "Also, unlike some other dispensers, Langstroth's could be > tiered - built up from a number of holders one placed above another - and > this is of great practical utility when working a heavy ***** flow." > > Forgive me, I wasted far more bandwidth then you did. > > Barry From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:18:27 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17976 Timothy Dobbs wrote: > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > harvest honey? > Tim Dobbs > tdobbs@aug.edu greetings, guess it depends on your definition of 'easiest.' others have already mentioned blowers, which certainly are quick. but, for my couple of hives i use inner covers, fitted with a couple of one-way porter escapes and inserted between the super and the rest of the hive. leave on overnight. the bees migrate down to the colony at night and can't get back into the super(s). works really well, and i usually only have a handful of bees to brush off the frames the next day. being an overnight process it is not the quickest, but it is very easy, having no power requirements or equipment to transport [except for the modified inner covers]. as an aside, i left two empty supers out on the lawn for 'just a couple of minutes' a couple of weeks ago. big mistake. in minutes they had bees all in and around 'em. i stacked them and put an escape board on top upside down. i watched as the bees exited via the porter escapes, but could not get back inside. they were VERY persistent, but failed to a one. in a half hour the supers were empty of bees. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jun 1999 02:40:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375487EF.246EAA36@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <19990601224001.14546.00008327@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17977 They have to open the wall and clean out the dead bees and honey and brood. Otherwise the smell of several pounds of dead bees is going to make them open the wall anyway. Also you need to remove the comb and pack the cavity with insulation otherwise bees will find it again next year or next month because it is the right size and now smells like bees. You may be able to trap the field bees as they emerge over a few weeks and lessen the amount of dead bees in the wall . I would walk away from this swarm now but when I was a new beekeeper I would have tried it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From millerb@acm.org Fri Jun 4 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Bryan Miller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Parasites on wasps? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:46:50 -0700 Organization: Manky Pro Inc Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37549B1A.E675CAC5@acm.org> Reply-To: millerb@acm.org NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca13-215.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 01 7:46:10 PM PDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17978 Has anyone ever seen what appears to be small red mites on the abdomen of paper wasps? I have heard several anecdotal reports but have never seen this first hand. cheers, Bryan From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jun 1999 05:00:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> Message-ID: <19990602010047.15023.00002694@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17979 >3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. >4 >We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a >Pesticide solution. > >BTW were in Apex NC. > >Thanks >Todd Wittlief Todd, There is no other way to remove these bees except by removing part of the wall. Unless you have a month or two to use a funnel escape and a second hive , even then there is NO guarantee. Please explain to your friends that if the colony is sprayed then that is only the beginning. The wax will melt this summer allowing the pesticide enriched honey to run down the walls and soak into anything it touches, leaving permanent stains. Give me some exact info on the colony and i'll try to help further. what type of house is it? where are the bees going in ? how long has it been there ? is there a reason that removing part of the wall is impossible ? Get back to me asap on this, I might even be able to come up and help you guys do the job. You get the bees and the honey I get the money. Mail or phone 910-814-0540 Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hensler@povn.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:06:01 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3754ADA9.58D5@povn.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <183508259S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j1kc8$me3$1@eve.enteract.com> <37549218.4C09@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp225.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17980 AL wrote: > > Aw, you all, and that Lang guy, are a bunch of a.. retentives - > *everyone* knows the only natural position for the TP is atop the bar, > top bar TP - only 'natural' way - allows for true freedom & self > expression. > > For further enlightenment I offer the following: > http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~mineart/tpaper2.html Yo Al (probably an alias) & all: I hereby rescind any statement I may have made earlier in regards to beekeepers being particularly busy this time of the year, however I do still stand by my assertion that they *can* be a bit testy at times... :-) Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From todd@interadnet.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net.POSTED!iceman.emji.net!doorman.interadnet.com From: todd@interadnet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Reply-To: todd@interadnet.com Message-ID: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:02:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.22.135.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net 928270935 207.22.135.3 (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:02:15 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17981 First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. Situation: A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them started.) Problem 1. We've never done this before. 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a Pesticide solution. Options How do we get the queen/swarm out? We've heard of drumming? Could we bait with a caged queen? Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. BTW were in Apex NC. Thanks Todd Wittlief From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 21:51:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990601175118.28279.00002087@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17982 Folded not crumpled. Less waste, more efficient. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 13:04:01 GMT References: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602090401.21307.00000009@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17983 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: >The comment, as quoted by Hubbell, came from none other than C.P Dadant, and >implied that talented beekeepers care so deeply about attention to detail, >that >in their fussiness they can get a little cranky. Also Skip writes "And, as pointed out here recently, beekeepers have a tendency to be somewhat testy even on a good day." Other professions such as accountants and computer programmers tend to have to pay great attention to detail. I don't hear of them being testy, cranky or bitchy. These are traits I sure don't want to pick up as a new beekeeper. Maybe bee person should operate their apiary in such a way to avoid this scenario. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: shopping for NZ honey Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 13:04:00 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602090400.21307.00000008@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17984 A man was selling honey at market that was from New Zealand. He said that it was a beekeeper's paradise. Man was also made some claims about the honey which I won't say here because I haven't researched the validity.He let me try about 10 different types. After trying so many it was hard to differentiate between them. He also had some comb honey. I want to buy some comb honey but I am not sure of criteria to use when buying. I have a video on comb honey but it doesn't really tell you what to look for when buying. Is freshness important and is quality of comb important ? Its a great product. From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!raptor.com!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:13:55 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17985 I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank you in advance for your insight. Jesse From spmr@msn.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> Subject: Re: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:28 +0100 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34670 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17986 sci.agriculture.fruit:2779 sci.bio.botany:9891 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8908 Bernd Kuemmel wrote in message <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek>... >Dear Reader >1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every >2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would >produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many >flowering days can I count on)? > >2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? Don't forget that certain Andrena species (Apidae; Andreninae) (A.clarkella, A.praecox, A.apicata, A.ruficrus and probably others in continental Europe) depend on Salix pollen as do (indirectly) their various Nomada cleptoparasites. Bombus spp. (especially B.terrestris) is also a common visitor to male Salix. Good luck with the project Stuart Roberts From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Fri Jun 4 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7i7b9f$kk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990522221647.29567.00003817@ng-fg1.aol.com> <7i8i32$l3j$2@news1.Radix.Net> Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:58:00 -0400 Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <3748430e.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 23 May 1999 13:03:58 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17987 >Pardon my ignorance but what's a stone fruit? Anything with a stone, peaches, cherries...... -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj bees at Kiff.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:42:13 +0100 Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.200.89 Message-ID: <37488f07.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 24 May 1999 00:28:07 GMT, 195.34.200.89 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.200.89 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17988 Just some passing thoughts on this thread It depends what you mean by porous Polythene is waterproof but it is still "Porous" Thats why crisps go stale in 6 weeks unless they are in aluminised bags where they can last for 6 months. Aluminium foil has a much better performance than polythene (or whatever you want to call it locally) and is often used as a vapour barrier in buildings you need the structure to be moisture permeable to help stop condensation on the inside surfaces of the hive. But to keep the timber dry it is essential not to have an impermeable coating on the outside. Although a water repellent coating on both sides is very useful. It is not the porosity of wood that gives good heat insulation but the cell structure which provides for a multitude of air spaces. As you are all probably aware water has a high conductivity rate and in damp timber fills most of the air spaces but the density of the timber also has some effect as well -- Rj, England UK bees@kiff.net if replying direct use address above or remove REMOVE from posted address Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com... > You could be right Peter > But 'non porous' suggests low insulation factor which could cause > condensation > The propolis provides a membrane against a porous wall. Just like in a > building > So with timber you have a porous, well insulated (against heat and cold > extremes), 'waterproofed' and workable material. > BUT is brace comb such a problem if the bee space is maintained? > I don't reckon so. > Regards > Chris D > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Does anyone believe that any hive is porous? All of the inner surface has > a > >thin coating of propolis - and propolis is waterproof! > > > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com>... > >>Using non-porous material would perhaps create condensation within the > >hive. > >>Have you seen what those bees do to metal spacers with propolis. > >>Is this likely to happen to other non-porous materials? > >> > > > > > > From dalbin@sprint.ca Fri Jun 4 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-02.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Albin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees, capture & store? Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:40:00 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.77.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-02.sprint.ca 928345054 149.99.77.138 (Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:37:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:37:34 EDT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17989 Can bumblebees be captured and stored from one season to the next? We farm in Southern Ontario, Canada. Thanks Doug From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:07:02 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Message-ID: <375572C6.CB8D6D1D@bms.com> References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17990 I forgot to mention, I live in Upstate New York. Jesse Hunter wrote: > I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for > a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other > acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these > trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the > couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank > you in advance for your insight. > > Jesse From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 16:50:39 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:49:18 GMT X-Trace: 928345758.417.55 KRFRRPH9I1C57CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17991 Hi, Yer doomed . Once they move in, and the pheromones, and the combs, and the honey, and the smells of a hive are there, it will attract endless repetitions of your problem . And the sugar will attract ants, and other insects . And the sugar will, with moisture, rot the wood, of the structure . And the brood will rot . And, all that wood, with honey running down through it is going to attract rats, and mice, insect pests, who knows what ? Better to bite the bullet, and do it right . Or, live with the bees . According to the books, I'm still reading, there are houses in the old world, that have lived with bees for decades . It could be worse . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/1/99 2:02PM, in message <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net>, todd@interadnet.com wrote: First of all, Thanks to all of you who helped with my Odd Bee-haviour post several weeks ago. Midnites are definately going gangbusters. Situation: A friend has some Honeybees that have taken up residence inside the walls of her house. A friend and I want to capture the swarm if possible. (We have an empty hive and some drawn frames to get them started.) Problem 1. We've never done this before. 2. We dont have a "Big Johnson Bee Vac" 3. We cant tear the walls apart or up to get to the hive. 4. We only have a few days before she and her husband result to a Pesticide solution. Options How do we get the queen/swarm out? We've heard of drumming? Could we bait with a caged queen? Could we smoke till they swarm and recapture somewhere? Could we place the new hive at the entrance and just hope? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. BTW were in Apex NC. Thanks Todd Wittlief From ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu Fri Jun 4 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.lafn.org!lafn.org!lafn.org!am197 From: ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu Subject: Help with Hive. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Message-ID: <1999May24.130812.22862@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Organization: Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:08:12 GMT Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17992 I noticed a swarm in my backyard yesterday in northern Ohio. Found a football size hive about 6' off the ground in a pine tree. Should I do anything? Is it safe to mow here.? To me they looked like honeybees but I cant be sure. The "hive" just looked like a beard made of bees. e-mail please. THANKS -- am197@lafn.org OR ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:26 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17993 In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common for bees. What is formula for bee space? Thanks From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:13:12 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7j3psm$s28@news1.snet.net> References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh9-port44.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17994 I have also had good luck with Benadryl, I take the maximum dose 1 hour before I start any operation where I won't be able to stop and remove stingers - like before I climb a ladder to hive a swarm (they may be cranky) or if a storm overturned many hives. Antihistamines work much better if they in your bloodstream before the venom is because they block the release of histamine, they don't destroy what is already released or undo the effects of the histamine that has already acted on your cells. After a sting (within an hour or 2 at most) a paste of Adolph's meat tenderizer will dissolve some of the venom. This is particularly useful in areas with poor circulation. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com>... >True to a point, the Benadryl liquid filled caplets can be pierced and squeezed >out under the tongue. >I wouldn't rely on it entirely rather using it in conjuction with an epi pen. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:26 GMT References: <375572C6.CB8D6D1D@bms.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155727.24379.00000119@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17995 I was wondering in having bees in hives would that noticeably help to propogate the plants in a bare field. Like for instance if you plant wild flowers or other plants in clumps would presence of bees in hives help to spread wildflowers over entire field. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1999 19:57:27 GMT References: <19990601095208.13702.00004470@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602155727.24379.00000120@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17996 I've opted for shaking vines once a day. When you shake the vines you get the tomato plant fragrance, as well, which is nice. Thanks to all From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Fri Jun 4 06:48:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise for Feral Swarm Capture Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:05:19 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7j42t1$sf$1@gxsn.com> References: <37564a15.548385526@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.56 X-Trace: 928354017 1NNUCNF1G8538C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17997 Ken I really love this reply I'm still chuckling Chris Real Name: wrote in message ... >Hi, > > Yer doomed etc etc . > > It could be worse . > >Ken . From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Jun 4 06:48:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New manual to Bidata! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:32:18 +0200 Organization: EDBi Message-ID: <7j4f25$c9a$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip82.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 928366469 12586 195.249.242.82 (2 Jun 1999 23:34:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:34:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17998 New updated software But here to read first If you want information about my software: I have put up a new manual to my software. It is not a technical manual, but also gives some advice about slecting queens based on some criteria, that all are genetic bound and therefore possible to change over a few years. Have a lokk at this manual http://apimo.dk/programs/engmanus.zip is around 400KB best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:40:22 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Jun 1999 23:36:38 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jun 2 16:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-004txdallp040.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3755c073.39389378@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17999 Jesse Hunter wrote: >I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for >a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other >acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these >trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the >couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Thank >you in advance for your insight. > >Jesse Jesse, in what part of the world is your yard located? Climate plays an important role in the selection of bee forage. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GRIDLOCK !!! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 23:08:47 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:07:25 GMT X-Trace: 928368445.557.87 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18000 Hi, OR : What a difference a couple of days make ! I thought they were busy before . NOT !!! The foragers can't easily make it back into the hive, for all the bees heading out to the flowers . About time . ALL THAT GOOD ADVICE AT WORK !!! Thanks-guys ! Ken . From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 23:21:20 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@library-pro NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:19:58 GMT X-Trace: 928369198.010.86 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18001 Hi, I saw that insertion tool, at the feed store, but I think that an ice pick, or mechanic's scribe is better, because it cleans out the hole, as it inserts the grommet . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/29/99 5:55AM, in message <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@l ibrary-pro, "dewitt" wrote: On the same subject; is it absolutely necessary to embed the wires into the foundation? cliff > Did you insert metal eyelets in the endbar holes? If not, you'll find the > wire cuts into the wood, which makes it difficult to get a tight draw (or > one that stays tight if you do). If you didn't use them, order them. They > are cheap (about $2.00 per 1000). While you're at it, don't forget the > little punch used to drive them into the endbar holes (.85 cents). > Together, they'll help you get strong cross-wires in the frame. > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 00:03:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> <19990601115057.21411.00006519@ng63.aol.com> <37542448.692C9538@worldnet.att.net> <7j1a76$bd5@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:01:51 GMT X-Trace: 928371711.676.101 KRFRRPH9I1C71CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18002 Hi, Does this mean we gotta take our hives to the bee dentist, for dental appliances ? forty thousand of them ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/1/99 4:49PM, in message <37547189.D3FB999@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: Well, hot damn! The flowers on the clover are red; if that makes it red clover, I guess you've got it. The few honey bees I've seen there rush >from bloom to bloom, never spending anywhere near the amount of time the bumble bees spend at each blossom. David Scribner wrote: > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > >Something puzzles me about some blooming clover growing near my hives. > >These blossoms are covered for most of the day with a large number of > >bumble bees and many other types of bees and flies, yet nary a one of my > >honey bees deigns to sniff here. Although I examine this patch several > >times each day, I've only seen one or two honey bees feeding at most a > >few times > > What kind of clover is it? Red clover has slightly longer flower-tubes than > white, sweet, and alsike clovers, which is many times just a tad too long > for a honey bee's tongue to reach, but not a bumble bee (which has a longer > tongue). If nectar secretion is heavy in the flower tube, the amount of > nectar may build up to a level and enable the honey bee to reach it (and > enable her to get all the nectar in the tube via capillary action). > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian beekeeping Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:39:05 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7ir06k$8o0$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.68.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18003 Can anyone give me contact addresses of beekeepers in Italy? Keith From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 10:50:50 GMT References: <928040059.662063@ridge.spiritone.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530065050.08632.00004236@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18004 I didn't mean to insult any woodworker maybe I should have said a person who diddles around with wood (like myself). I have the greatest respect for anybody who could make their own hive My choice is the top bar hive. Even at my skill level I am going to make a nice one with scrap half log cedar siding . From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 10:50:51 GMT References: <7iqflv$er4$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530065051.08632.00004237@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18005 I have a real nice site that you envision. Can I now label my honey "organic". Who is Peter A. Archives are tedious to search From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Box Honey Frames Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:09:59 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.222.133.28 X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 30 11:02:44 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18006 carmar007@yahoo.com wrote: >Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. >These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in >the super. Are these still available? If so, where? > >Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? > >Thank you, > >Carol & Evelyn >Ozark Mtns. - MO Yes, they are still available. They're usually called basswood sections or split sections. They fit into special sized frames and supers, so keep that in mind if you decide to use them. You may also want to check out using what are called Ross Rounds; plastic rings (that also use different sized frames and supers) that work better for many. When using basswood sections, the bees may not draw and fill comb fully into the corners. Ross Rounds have no corners, so are filled more completely with comb. Once frames of rings are filled and capped, and are removed from the supers, plastic covers snap on to both sides of the ring taken out of the frame, making for a handy package. Some catalogs you might try for basswood sections, Ross Rounds and loads of other stuff are (in alpha order - they're all very good companies): Brushy Mountain Bee Farm - 1.800.BEESWAX Dadant & Sons - 217.847.3324 The Walter T. Kelley Co. - 502.242.2012 Western Bee Supplies - 406.883.2918 --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 7 questions for the beeblical elite. Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 18:21:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7irdd1$3jv@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990530142157.15944.00003562@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18007 From: npatt@snet.net >I have 2 deep and 1 shallow for the bees. Above that I have 2 shallows, one >brand new with foundation and one that I put on a while ago. > >The hive is absolutely packed with bees, brood and honey. > >The queen is laying very well. > >I'm concerned about it swarming. > > >Questions: > >1. I've read about clipping the queen's wings. Is this wise at this time? >or ever? Nope. The hive will swarm with a virgin queen, if the old queen cannot go. And you'll have a deformed queen, which could stimulate supersedure, when she obviously is a very good queen. Why mess with a good thing? >2. The top shallow super I put on is full of honey. Can I extract this now? Sure, and get it back on quickly. They'll love the wet comb, and may fill it again very quickly. >3. I just put one shallow on the hive. Should I put more on? Probably. Especially if the top one is now full. I always add supers, if I can see whitened comb (new wax) when I look down into the top super. The same is true if it is simply full of bees. Check with local beekeepers as to your flows in the area. >4. When examining the hive for queen cells, do I go through every super and >every frame in search of queen cells? NO! Let them BEE. You could demoralize them and stop their productivity. If you are seriously concerned about swarming, break the two deeps apart with your hive tool, tilt one up a bit, and see if there are cells between the boxes. > Will there be some this early? I am of the impression that this is a hive you just started, ie., this year's queen. It's not likely that they'll swarm unless you crowd them badly. If it is last year's queen, she is programmed to go, and probably will, as soon as the flow is interrupted by a spell of bad weather. If you see cells, split the two brood boxes apart, set one on a new bottom board. Put the weakest one on the old stand, make sure both halves have a cell or two. Presto, you now have two hives -- after - you've made a honey crop. Chances are, at least one half will make a crop again, tho that depends on your local flows. >5. Is there any place to find a little extractor that handles say, 2 or 3 >frames at a time? Check with your local bee club. They may have one for loan. >6. When do I put on a queen excluder? At this point they have probably pushed down the queen, due to the honeyflow. But I have seen times when the bottom box is empty. Check. If the flow tends to stop later, and you do not take all the honey, then get the queen below an excluder, or they will fill the supers with brood, and eat up the honey. This happens here in South Carolina, if I have a good queen, and leave supers on without excluders. Since my super comb is pretty poor brood comb, this can make a pretty poor hive. Also, they will come up to winter with no honey, as they've consumed it. Your best bet tho, is to consult with area beekeepers who know your conditions. >7. How do I not ruin a good situation? The old beekeeper saying: "If there's no flow, you can hardly do anything right; if there is a flow, you can hardly do anything wrong." One exception to the above -- not having supers on when there is a flow. If you find burr comb under the cover, when you lift it, you have lost a lot of honey, and you will be crowding your queen and shutting her off. You should always have excess supers, so that when the flow ends, there will be one empty super on top. That was the one they temporarily stored nectar in, and moved it down when it was concentrated. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From h.tait@home.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net> Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:40:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928089650 24.65.109.178 (Sun, 30 May 1999 11:40:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:40:50 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18008 JKimbro wrote in message news:374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net... > I've had a similar reaction. In fact it's on the verge of worrying me. I > picked up an Epipen just to be safe. I got zapped in the thigh with just the > normal, 'oh damn,,,I just got stung',,, but then I got stung in the ankle and > it swelled up for four days! I've been keeping bees for about four years now > with no other serious reactions,,,I just can't help but to think it would be > just MY luck that now I'm allergic! > During a season I pick up hundreds of stings, 24 the other day in a 4 inch square. But little or no reaction. What I have noticed is that when stung on the ankle, I swell up as well cant put dress shoes on for a couple days ). The only time I seem to swell >from stings is when it is in an area where blood flow and circulation is poor. So I think your luck is still good for the most part. hugh From beeman@kingston.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rush hour? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:21:03 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.174 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:22:54 GMT X-Trace: 928110174.335.41 QANSHOMNI30AECDBDC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18009 Hi Everybody, I have been noticing that my hives all get VERY busy around the entrance starting at 3:30 and lasting until 4:00. Afterwards they settle back down. It appears that the bee traffic is going in both direction, with maybe the greater percent returning to the hive. They are all pretty much normal activity through out the rest of the day. The hives are located in different yards. I'm located in south eastern Ontario. Has anybody else noticed this? It's been a dry hot spring here. With limited rain. The spring flow was ok. We need more rain for the clover. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From islapro@islapro.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian beekeeping Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:41:06 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <37523D12.1E9AB7AA@islapro.com> References: <7ir06k$8o0$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip243.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18010 Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Once in a while a fellow from Italy get involved in this forum, his address is : afichera@iol.it His first name is Alexander, and writes in english. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Keith Hooker escribió: > > Can anyone give me contact addresses of beekeepers in Italy? > > Keith --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Tarjeta de Jose Matas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jose Matas n: Matas;Jose org: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr: Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;;;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN email;internet: islapro@islapro.com title: marketing tel;work: 971-620-115 tel;fax: 971-140-870 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3EA1B6509DACA35A7658E8E3-- From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 11:25:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990531072545.11739.00002643@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18011 From: "Gabe" >I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. >I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this >area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this >area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the >heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? Are your soils acid, or high lime? That is a critical difference, as there will be entirely different sets of nectar producers depending on your answer. In eastern Pennsylvania you can often go from one set to another in a short walk. High lime soils are based on limestone or marble. Acidic soils are based on shales, slates, granite, gneiss and such underlay. Sometimes the soils that are naturally acidic have been modified for agriculture with massive additions of lime. On the high lime soils you have an earlier season. Look for locust (which I imagine would be blooming about now in your area), tulip poplar, sweet clover (should be blooming about the end of June), alfalfa (first cutting is usually mowed before it blooms, but second cutting in July or early August may bloom extensively and give a fine honey. Other kinds of clovers also yield in early to mid summer, but sweet clover is the best. I'm not sure if you have star thistle (knapwee) that far south, but if you do, it's a fine honey. Basswood (wild or sometimes planted along streets as "linden,") is a very minty light honey. On acidic soils, your main crop probably will be goldenrod, which will grow on sweet soils, but won't yield worth a darn there. That is a late summer flow. Often you can move bees a short distance in mid summer and make both the early and late flows. Along the rivers, look for Japanese bamboo, which is considered a noxious weed, but makes a fine honey (it really is a wild buckwheat). If you can find a buckwheat field near you, boy are you ever in for a treat! Also near swamps another weed, purple loosestrife, which blooms for six weeks and makes a low grade honey (looks like Pennzoil and doesn't taste much better), but, hey, it's honey.... There are lots of other plants that fill in the flow. If you live in or near town, a lot of ornamental shrubs may yield a bit here and there, and in the aggregate, make a good yield for a few hives. One of the neat things about keeping bees is that you will also become a botany student. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:48:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-corner Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 11:34:53 GMT References: <37520FEB.1BB2@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531073453.25969.00001326@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18012 Would like to hear about positive experiences in the use of Top Bar Hives. From cde049@airmail.net Fri Jun 4 06:48:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:55:26 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 41 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7its58$8f5@library.airnews.net> References: <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> <19990530125401.10853.00005391@ngol04.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon May 31 06:35:04 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![6YN1k-W^iKAh" (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18013 That is what got me interested in this in the first place. I have had a feral hive out side my office window, here in Dallas, for the last four years. It is hung from the bottom of a tree branch, it is not in a hollow space and it is growing in leaps and bounds. That started me thinking that perhaps is surviving because mites that fall off the bees fall to the ground and can not get back up to the host. If I can find some one with a scanner locally I will post some pictures. I have watched this hive since it swarmed from a column on a house that was restored. I knew about the hive in the column for about 7 months before the restoration started. I saw the "football" and the first bits of comb that was drawn this hive is what got me interested in Beekeeping. Every winter it shrinks back up into the center combs and every spring is grows more and more. I keep binoculars in my office just to watch the hive in the winter so I know this is a continuos colony not one that has died out and been replaced. I have never tried to inspect it for varroa but the fact that it is over two years old and growing every year indicated to me that it is healthy. Cliff > I looked at the website, and quoting..."The principle of the anti-varroa > bottom board has come from the fact that: wild colonies of honey bees can be > found, free of varroa, in highly infested areas..." This is not a true fact > that I am aware of. In fact, my observation is that varroa has greatly reduced > the feral populatio, at least here in Texas. It may be difficult to find wild > colonies with great contamination of Varroa, generally because they are already > dead. If there are a few wild feral colonies really thriving, no doubt they are > still free of Varroa. > Am I incorrect here? From collinsb@portobello.ie Fri Jun 4 06:49:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Bill Collins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding hived swarm Organization: Portobello College X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:45:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.212.62 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 928150676 194.125.212.62 (Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:56 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:56 BST Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18014 Hi I'm a Dublin based newcomer to bees I was lucky enough to come across a swarm last week which with the help of an experienced beekeeper I managed to hive. I've tried feeding the swarm, but they have only taken about half the syrup feed (2 bags sugar 1/2 gal water mixed. ) The bees appear to be bringing in lots of pollen to the hive. The feeder I made from an empty catering tin of instant coffee which I made perforations in the lid . This I placed over the opening in the crown board . Any advice,comments appreciated. Thanks Bill Collins From fordcar@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Box Honey Frames Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:47:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7iu0dq$ddn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.13 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 31 12:47:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18015 David - Thanks for the information...much appreciated! Carol & Evelyn Ozark Mtns. - MO In article <7irug4$9kh@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" wrote: > carmar007@yahoo.com wrote: > >Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. > >These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in > >the super. Are these still available? If so, where? > > > >Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? > > > >Thank you, > > > >Carol & Evelyn > >Ozark Mtns. - MO > > Yes, they are still available. They're usually called basswood sections or > split sections. They fit into special sized frames and supers, so keep that > in mind if you decide to use them. You may also want to check out using > what are called Ross Rounds; plastic rings (that also use different sized > frames and supers) that work better for many. When using basswood sections, > the bees may not draw and fill comb fully into the corners. Ross Rounds > have no corners, so are filled more completely with comb. Once frames of > rings are filled and capped, and are removed from the supers, plastic covers > snap on to both sides of the ring taken out of the frame, making for a handy > package. > > Some catalogs you might try for basswood sections, Ross Rounds and loads of > other stuff are (in alpha order - they're all very good companies): > > Brushy Mountain Bee Farm - 1.800.BEESWAX > Dadant & Sons - 217.847.3324 > The Walter T. Kelley Co. - 502.242.2012 > Western Bee Supplies - 406.883.2918 > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ52b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Message-ID: References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.121 X-Trace: typ52b.nn.bcandid.com 928159859 216.100.28.121 (Mon, 31 May 1999 10:10:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:10:59 EDT Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:15:18 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18016 Supersedure they call it, George, :0), as I became superannuated. In article <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net says... > > Peter, are you aware that someone has switched bodies with you? > From lauramleek@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 04:10:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j3psm$s28@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603001013.21823.00000228@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18017 Liquid benedryl is available and very fast acting. A bottle cost me $1.50 american. Laura From hensler@povn.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:30:50 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 96 Message-ID: <37561309.5E10@povn.com> References: <37553C23.6FC2264A@bms.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp171.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18018 Jesse Hunter wrote: > > I am in the process of planting trees, shrubs, flowers, etc. for > a large yard (4 acres) which is also adjacent to some other > acreage that I own. What are the preferable varieties of these > trees, etc that I should plant to accommodate (in the future) the > couple of colonies of bees that I have recently started. Yo Jesse: I would have thought you would be snowed under by replies on this subject by now. Since that doesn't seem to be the case I will offer what advice I can. I'm not exactly sure what garden zone you are in but I would venture a guess that you would be roughly the same as us, Z 4 ½ to 5? Not knowing your soil type, preferences, local zoning ordinances (if any) time period you are willing to work with until said trees, etc. are mature enough to produce pollen and/or nectar. etc., I will try to relate what *I* would consider doing under the same circumstances. Please keep in mind this is one person's opinion only, it is *not* meant to in any way be a complete list of what you might find advantageous to plant in your area, nor do I make any claim of being particularly an expert on this subject. In addition I would first check with any local beekeeping clubs, individual beekeepers and nurseries, although I would try to confirm any nursery information unless you are *sure* the source actually knew anything about bee plants. :-) I'm going to assume you will be keeping your bees in one location and will not be capable of moving them to the various nectar sources as the availability changes. Under these conditions I would be primarily interested in providing a spread of plants that would be producing a nectar flow at different times of the year. This would be with the goal of having, to the extend possible, each flow starting as the previous one matured. I will relate what species that have worked well for us, you will need to check locally to see if the flowering dates would work for you, as well as to the suitability of each species for your local growing conditions. First of all I would concentrate on the early spring need for pollen. I would plant pussy willows and other willows if space and soil type allow. I would also put in various maples, mt. ash, service berry, poplar, aspen, tulip poplar, catalpa, honeysuckle, nanking cherries, sand cherries and all possible fruit trees, with the exception of pears. If you have the soil, location, water, time and interest I certainly would put in as much of an herb garden as possible. Once established, herbs require minimum care for the most part. The various herbs blended with clover, or whatever else is available, makes the most interesting honey, and marketed as "Herb & (whatever)" it sells like a charm. :-) There may be an herb or two that doesn't produce good honey but if so, we haven't run across them yet. :-) We utilize chives, borage, mint, lavender, sage, catnip, basil and thyme. I'm not sure if tansy is classified as an herb or just a plain ole weed, but *don't* plant it under any circumstances. a. t. A. You don't mention a vegetable or perennial garden in your plans. If so, I would consider as many raspberries and blackberries as you can possibly work in, seed onions, leaving at least some broccoli to flower, blueberries, scabiosa, hollyhocks, sunflowers, crocus, strawberries, cukes, squash, pumpkins, zucchini and early blooming tulips. If you are considering putting some of the acreage into pasture then check out vetch, alfalfa and all of the clovers except red clover. I would definitely consider planting as much buckwheat as possible. I don't know if you are a beer drinker or not, but buckwheat honey is the honey equivalent of stout in the beer world. :-) The really neat thing about buckwheat, in addition to being a good first crop plant when cultivating new acreage, is that (weather permitting) you can plan your seeding so that the bloom coincides with a dry period of other available bee plants. Check with your local seed supplier but I *think* seeding to bloom time is 60 days with buckwheat. One additional caveat: all of the above information can be pretty much useless without a soil test before you attempt to raise anything on your plot. Yes, it is possible you could get lucky and do quite well without one, but knowing what your soil condition is before you invest your time and $ will go a long way towards making sure the crop is a success instead of "Damn, I wonder what went wrong?" Contact your local extension office, garden center or national catalog garden supply outfit. Any one of them should be able to instruct you as to how to collect soil samples, where to have the test done and then instruct you as to what amendment(s), if any, you will need to add to maximize your growth potential. I hope this is of some help. If I have confused you, or can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to drop us an e-mail. Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From liabilite@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: treatmeat for brood Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 06:07:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18019 Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? From beeman221@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:47:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 22:47:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt; AltaVista 1.01.01) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18020 In article <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common > for bees. > What is formula for bee space? > Thanks There is no "formula" as such however the bees tell me they will keep a space of 7mm free of brace comb. "Listen to the bees, they know best" > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:34:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7j21n0$6ke$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 01:34:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18021 In article <7j1plc$7vf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I treat for varroa using thymol, 1 > tsp. in an old honey jar lid and this goes on the Q/E as well. Interesting. Isn't thymol just a fancy way of saying oil of thyme, the herb? Are you saying that you don't use Apistan or formic acid? How long have you been using this? Do you find it effective? And can you elaborate on the method, where you obtain the thymol, etc.? Do you extract it yourself from thyme? TIA. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jun 4 06:49:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 08:59:09 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18022 In article <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) writes: > >Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? One 6.4 oz packet of water soluable TM-25, three 1 lb boxes of Domino Confectioners Sugar, mix thoroughly, treat hives with 1 rounded tablespoon sprinkled over ends of the frames 3 times at three to five day intervals. NO HONEY SUPERS for 6 WEEKS after treatments. Surf to: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/97oct3.htm or better yet, READ THE LABEL! Aaron Morris - thinking RTFM! From shuston@riverace.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:52:36 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Message-ID: <375696B4.F50F154F@riverace.com> References: <7j40jo$ri0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: U+UxD0Hv9mYAQooxIeGKPvaVtY7g/9wciol4L2fzOqc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 14:52:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18023 Warning - this is my first beekeeping season, so don't bet the farm on this reply ;-) I had read/learned to add a second box when about 8 frames were drawn (not full of brood). Keep careful watch, though, to be sure the queen has space to lay. For example, if they start filling frames with honey in the middle, do something - I was advised to add the second box, move a couple of drawn frames (without honey in them) to the top box. Within a week, those frames were completely drawn and full of eggs, and I was a happy camper once again :-) If you're a beginner, it is wise to read and, if possible, get a local, experienced beekeeper's advice - ideally get him/her to come over and take a look at your hive. -Steve tim_jk@my-deja.com wrote: > > Looking for suggestions on adding my second brood box. > I have 5 full frames of brood now. Thought I remember > reading about adding after 8 to 9 frames of brood, but > not sure. Any help appreciated. > > Tim > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:28:27 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.244 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18024 Here is a similar question as well: When using a langstroth hive, should the 10 frames be spaces evenly throughout the hive-body or super , or should they be pushed together toward the center with the excess space left on the ends of the frames. Thanks for the insight, Jesse beeman221@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com>, > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary > by type > > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space > is common > > for bees. > > What is formula for bee space? > > Thanks > > There is no "formula" as such however the bees tell me they will keep a > space of 7mm free of brace comb. > > "Listen to the bees, they know best" > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Fri Jun 4 06:49:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:38:05 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3756A15D.48486C57@lambton.on.ca> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18025 Several years ago, when my family was in the beekeeping business, we use to use cardboard boxes which would fit tightly over the hive. I don't know if such an animal is available today. Mark Veltman Jajwuth wrote: > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:55:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7j69bi$imv$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.55 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928426162 19167 12.72.49.55 (3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18026 Yes there could be ill effects. Odd as it may sound, if they are too well insulated they may use up their stores too soon and starve. Rather than rewrite what has already been said, the following is from an article written by George Imirie: "Bees don't eat very much when they are INactive in the months of November and December when the Queen is not laying! The easiest winter, when very little food is used, is when it gets real cold at Halloween and STAYS, cold. so the bees practically don't move around. , at all and just huddle up sharing warmth in a nice cluster." The entire article is at http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/georges.spring.html George I. is in Maryland. I am in California where wintering consists of going from a 7/8" entrance to 3/8". Maybe someone from the northeast or Canada can provide some more info on wintering. Do you even wrap them up there anymore? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jajwuth Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: hives insulated for comfort > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:04:42 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7j69bi$imv$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> <7j4ca6$vkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.55 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928426162 19167 12.72.49.55 (3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:09:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18027 Depends on if they are drawn or not. Foundation should be 10 frames pushed tight together. It doesn't much matter if they are right, left or center as long as it is not too tight on the sides. After they are drawn they can be spread out. I usually remove 1 after they are drawn and run with 9. Easier to manipulate in the brood chamers and easier to uncap from the honey supers. Drawn frames can be spread out from the git-go. Jesse Hunter wrote in message news:37569F1B.D6F48ABF@bms.com... > Here is a similar question as well: When using a langstroth hive, should > the 10 frames be spaces evenly throughout the hive-body or super , or > should they be pushed together toward the center with the excess space left > on the ends of the frames. > > Thanks for the insight, > Jesse From totoruner1@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: totoruner1@aol.com (Totoruner1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EMAIL PROCESSORS NEEDED Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:06:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603120624.21532.00000057@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18028 How would you like to make $1,000.00 - $5,000.00 a month? No startup money required. We will train. Its fun, easy, and only take a few hours a day. You set your own schedule. Fully legal and you'll help people enrich their lives. If you have a computer and Internet access then you're ready to start. Contact: Totoruner1@aol.com Subject: EMAIL PROCESSORS From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:49:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 16:26:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603122644.03073.00000047@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18029 It's hot provide good ventilation by propping up the cover offsetting a super or puting match sticks between the boxes. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:47:21 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 103 Message-ID: <7j6703$84l@news1.snet.net> References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh9-port44.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18030 npatt@snet.net wrote in message <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net>... >Here's the deal > >It's been hot and humid here in Connecticut. > >There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. I've kept bees in CT for 10 years now, and in the weather we have had the behaviour you described does occur in the abcense of swarm preparations. We need some more information to decide what is going on. How long has the clustering been intense - a 2 days or a week? If they exhibit the same behavior tomorrow (low humidity and 70s forcast) then a swarm is likely. Is the clustering only intense during the heat of the day? My bees often cluster on hot humid days - you can reduce it by improving ventilation. I offset 2 hive bodies by 1/4 inch or prop the outer cover with a small stone. A strong colony can easily defend this opening and the airflow helps evaporate the water from all the nectar a strong colony brings in. If conditions force them to cluster for more than about 4 days out of 7 they will often start swarm prep. Also, direct sunlight at the hottest part of the day exagerates this behavior - are your bees in a well ventilated and shady spot? How old is the queen? less than a year old things must be very cramped for a long time (weeks) to swarm, 1-2 and she'll swarm under moderate pressure and 2+ years old means she is probably already well into the swarm preperations and even if you stop this one, the next stretch of hot humid weather will send her flying. Is she honey bound (ie, have they filled in with honey more than just the edges of the middle 6 frames of each deep super)? You can extract some frames to give her more space, or make a split. Is there a lot of drone comb? That is a good indication of intent to swarm. >The hive is very large and was a bit crowded for space. I put on 2 shallow supers this week. Are you in a good forage area? I have a friend who keeps bees an a poor forage area and can get away with waiting until June to super, but I've found my colonies in both the North West corner and North Central CT need supers by late March. If you had a strong colony in a good area, they probably are honey bound. > >While going through I did a quick look for queen cells. I found one uncapped. I didn't keep looking in the bottom brood chamber so there could easily be many more >around. a queen cell or 2 on the bottom or edge of a frame is common even in a perfect colony. Bees build queen cells by majority rule - workers passing a site will add a little wax or remove a little, depending on the intensity of pheremones they have recieved lately (Gould & Gould - "The Honey Bee") so you always get a few malcontents starting cells on the fringe :-) Look in the queen cell for larva, and watch out if it is on the face of otherwise good worker comb. Queen cells with larva or cells on the face of good comb indicate high pressures to rear a new queen. Also, swarm cells (as opposed to emergency replacement cells) often vary in age. You may have found one mostly formed but 3 frames over there is one almost ripe! You should go through the hive frame by frame to see if there are others and what state they are in. > >Are these bees getting ready to swarm or are they just hot or both? > >Should I use a swarming prevention technique now or wait? Unless you have a young queen, know she has ample brood space, and know the clustering was only during the very hottest part of the day you should take further swarm prevention. Adding supers was a good first step, but you can give her more space to lay (either by extracting honey from brood frames, swapping full frames with a weaker colony, or putting in new brood frames), increase ventilation, provide more shade, split the colony, remove all queen cells, and/or requeen. It is important to note that simply removing the queen cells is not sufficient. If you do that and don't fix the reasons they did it to begin with, they will do it again in a week or 2. For cutting queen cells to work, it must be done once a week and if you miss one, they swarm! Remember that queens emerge 16 days from when the egg was laid, and bees can adapt a larva several days old, so 10 days is the minimum frequency for checking! One other "swarm prevention" technique that doesn't get much press is to simply clip the queen. If the bees rear a new queen, the old will try to fly but will die on the ground so the bees go back to the parent hive. This method of control assumes the bees have ample laying space, that the colony is stong enough to rear _healthy_ queens, that you are happy with the genetics of your colony, and that there are plenty of drones in the area for her to mate with. So what part of CT are you in? Are there other beehives nearby? What nectar and pollen sources are nearby? Are you interested in increasing the number of hives you have? Good luck Robert From beeman221@my-deja.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:47:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7j6f2h$lcc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 03 17:47:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt; AltaVista 1.01.01) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18031 In article <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive. > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. This is a topic I am very interested in. Fully half our hives are in Styrofoam hives (hereafter called Poly boxes) Yes the bees winter better here-north east Scotland- in the poly boxes and there are behavioural differences between the two types. I am in a maritime climate and our biggest enemy is wetness/wind. In poly boxes even in the coldest frost the cluster can move accross the frames. Heat rises of course so between the crownboard and the roof is the warmest place and thats where they want to be if they can get there! The Poly boxes have a ventilated floor 10" X 10" which is covered by mesh. This helps keep them in touch with the real temp outside. Both our timber hives and the poly boxes are the same in that they both have ventilated floors and insulation above. In spring the timber hives rear brood as much as 3 weeks earlier than the poly boxes, however when the poly boxes switch on then they soon catch up and pass the timber hives. I suspect that the earlier brood rearing in the timber hives is a way of reducing moisture in the gut by producing brood food. As the winter bees in the poly boxes are not under the same stress they can afford to wait and are about longer to support the colony. We have Poly langstroth with 10 frames, timber langstroth, national hives timber and poly hives that take 12 ntional frames. The bees winter, under our conditions please note, best in the poly national, why well we think it's because the combs are paralel with the enterance, as opposed to the right angles situation in the langstroth. As a footnote the ventilated floors cost less as holes are cheap! Yes we know very Scottish! Peter Watt Listen to the bees, they know best. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive plans Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1999 20:42:48 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990603164248.16426.00000090@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18032 I must compliment superior Web Site with plans for beehives that is made reference to by this group.. Noticeably absent to me is a plan for top bar hive. I know there is plans at other sites but not quality of what is on that site. >From what I read top bar hives can be made with simple hand tools which is an attraction to me.. My late dad was a professionaly skilled on use of table saw. He worked for 40yrs on wood working machinery. He always discouraged us as kids from using table saws, jointers etc. He said he saw far too many old boys in the shop loose fingers. He said could hear fingers ping off wall. Maybe it was just his way of saying get an education. >From what I read precision sawing of frames, box joints etc. is not that easy particularly if the wood happens to bind in table saw.. Don't get me wrong I would love to make my own langstroth hive and I admire anybody who does. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:26:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7j6oeb$4d64$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 928441611 000 192.168.254.73 (3 Jun 1999 20:26:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:26:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18033 i dont know know the answer to your question, but i do know that the Territorial seed company sells Bumblebee houses. and i think they see a book on it to. they have a web site, do a search engine From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:28:01 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 927765029 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 26 May 1999 17:30:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:30:29 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18034 Thank you for the info Paul. This raises one other question, however. Can Canadian breeders ship to the US without customs hassles? A Canadian bred queen might be better suited to Southern Maine than one from Texas, although I might try both as Adam Finklestein suggests for comparison. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:08:01 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7ii7ev$bla$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.234 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927768863 11946 12.72.41.234 (27 May 1999 01:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 01:34:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18035 You can achieve the same result in a Langstroth-type frame by just "seeding" the top bar with a narrow strip of foundation. Given the right conditions, the bees will fill the frame. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com... > Is it true that a top bar hive will produce purest most natural product since > no foundation is required. Its too bad that bureaucrats have outlawed them in > some areas of the country in favour of the langstroth type hive. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: non bee swarms? Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:35:12 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7ii7f0$bla$2@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com> <7ihtim$6ee$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.234 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927768864 11946 12.72.41.234 (27 May 1999 01:34:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 01:34:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18036 English is a funny language. The answer to the first question could be yes. Ants, termites, etc swarm and are not honey bees. If the first qustion is asking if any bees, other than honey bees swarm, then the second question does not restate the first and needs to be posed as a separate question since wasps and yellow jackets are not bees. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7ihtim$6ee$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > No. > > David Smith wrote in message <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com>... > >Is there such a thing as a non-honey bee swarm? That is, do > >wasps or yellow jackets swarm? > > From harrisonrw@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Jun 1999 22:58:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603185836.22567.00000714@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18037 Hi Norm, Don't worry about the bees hanging out. When it gets hot and sticky the hive gets too warm and the bee hang out on the front porch to cool the hive down so that the honeycomb does not start to sag and melt because of the high temp. If you notice in the early morning the bees will be back in the hive when the temps are cooler. Regards, Ralph Western CT Beekeepers Association>There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update on virgin queen Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:40:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <374C62B5.4409@earthlink.net> <374C86F7.11EF038B@swbell.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 May 1999 09:42:25 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 27 02:45:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <374D1319.9B1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18038 She was allowed to go out for her mating flight. I will not know for several days if she mated or not. Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey flow Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:43:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990527000758.15034.00000620@ng-fn1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 May 1999 09:45:00 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 27 02:45:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <374D13B3.1E72@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18039 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > Flow goes well here > But its a darker honey than the last few years, I suppose the tulip popular are > making a comeback since the hurricane. > Before the come back we had a few years of almost clear, blackberry and gum and > clover. > Hows everyone else ? > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Here in Rocky Mount, NC the honey is really light this year with some of it nearly clear. Don From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Fri Jun 4 06:49:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:33:05 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 927800767 13694 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18040 Changing the base board on my Langstroth hive - adding a varroa floor (sigh) - I got two bees in my hood, which stung me on neck and back of head, and I was stung once on each arm. The head and left arm stings were a minor irritation, but the stingers were removed fairly quickly; hard to do when you have to keep the hood and gloves on! However, the right arm sting was down my glove, and I had to reassemble the hive, doing quite a bit of hefting, before I could attend to it. I also had quite a few followers, hence the delay. This sting was from an angrier bee What is interesting is that the last sting made my arm swell much more than the other stings. Is there some correlation to time to remover the sting and/or the anger of the bees? I am fairly sure it's not allergic response as the other stings I hardly noticed. Mike P.S. Piriton syrup is a good bet as an antihistamine as it does not contain lactose (too which I am allergic) and is fairly vvegetarian! -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Fri Jun 4 06:49:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:10:35 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7ijcq3$fqn$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ibf14$5hu$1@golux.radix.net> <7ie8eb$5lm$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ihtij$6ee$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927807107 16215 129.173.88.206 (27 May 1999 12:11:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 12:11:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18041 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Does cutting out drone brood select for varroa that infest worker brood? Could be, but what's the point? As long as there are mites in the drone brood you get rid of them during the season. It's not the big hit but this is the only treatment you can do during honey flow. cheers Ulli From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" References: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:43:09 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <#QCya5Dq#GA.293@cpmsnbbsa02> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18042 > What types of sugar compounds Exist in Nectar > 1. > 2. 1. Sucrose 2. Glucose > What Types of sugar compounds do the bees convert this into for storage as > Honey ( or for their use in general ) > > 1. > 2. 1. Glucose 2. Fructose From markm@ntplx.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: markm@ntplx.net (mmm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help!! my bees are swarming Message-ID: <374d5e2b.20534058@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:03:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.188.164 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 927817434 204.213.188.164 (Thu, 27 May 1999 11:03:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:03:54 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18043 As I was in my garden, I noticed a huge mass of bees around my fairly inactive hive. Right now there are thousands of bees just milling around the outside of the hive. From seeing queens cells capped in recent weeks, all indications are that they are swarming. Since I'm a newbee, is there anything I can do? mark From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Jun 4 06:49:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring update of the beekeeping hivenote software! Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:42:52 +0200 Organization: EDBi Message-ID: <7j744g$pa4$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 928453584 25924 195.249.242.68 (3 Jun 1999 23:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 23:46:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 79 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18044 First of I will introduce you to a 'personal' website in english! http://www.agrsci.dk/plb/cjb/cjb_home.htm It is showing a part of what Projectgroup Beekeeping (Research group for beekeeping) is working with! The holder of the site is special working with Varroa research! Second I will introduce the spring Updata of my hivenote software! HTTP://apimo.dk/programs/30-5-99update.exe to use this update : DO NOT UNINSTALL BIDATA! extract this files to a temp directory of your choise. run the setup.exe and install upon the instalation you have. The update is ment to replace with new files. the manual(s) is in RTF format. You can load it into winword, and the save it as a doc file, hvich will decrease the size. The reason for the rtf format is that it then can be read by word6 and word7. I have only word97 so thats why. You can dlete the following files : Bidat3245.hlp Bimanual dansk.rtf Bimanual engelsk.rtf after converting to bimanual english.doc after deleting those files you will have saved around 20MB diskspace. New manual New help file so that all items should be covered. You can choose if you want the software to run as a queen breader softwware or as hivenote software. you can now search and printout! New language drivers suported. nearly the whole world is covered. did you know that you just by editing the languagefile in Notepad.exe can turn the software into your language. Even Chinese is covered :-) the software is free for up to 5 hives. If you register the software for 20 hive or full You will recive A Cd-room with beekeeping related stuff and the latest edition of the hivenote software. registration prices is fair : 10 hives registration is 20USD 20 hives registration is 45USD included one years service by e-mail! Full registration is 100USD included two years service and free updates and service by e-mail.. You can online pay the registration by creditcard and will then be getting the registration information to register the software with. se the manual for introduktion to the software: http://apimo.dk/programs/engmanus.zip about 400Kb best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37571923.5FC653FC@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-langstroth-bee space References: <19990602155726.24379.00000118@ngol06.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:09:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 928454547 24.92.236.85 (Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:02:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:02:27 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18045 Jajwuth wrote: > In making top bar hive from what I read the top bar width should vary by type > of bee. I'm not sure, but in manufactured langstroth hive bee space is common > for bees. > What is formula for bee space? > Thanks The usual recommended top bar with for European bees is 1 3/8", so the brood combs end up spaced 1 3/8" on centers. A narrower spacing is called for when working with certain African subspecies. Then it is closer to 1 1/4". On the follow-up question: In a hive containing the fulll complement of brood frames, they are best maintained tight together, centered in the hive body, with the extra space balanced at the side-walls. This results in combs of even thickness and minimal propolis/burr comb buildup. From tomapis@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hobby queen rearing? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 00:17:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18046 Would like to know if anyone who is a hobbiest is rearing there own queens.really looking for numbers of individuals who actively raise their own queens and the success or failures they have had..Like to hear from all parts of the country. Tom..Email me replys if you want. From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 02:28:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990603222849.27192.00000333@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18047 >The hive is very large and was a bit crowded for space. I put on 2 shallow >supers this week. > good !!!! >While going through I did a quick look for queen cells. I found one >uncapped. I didn't keep looking in the bottom brood chamber so there could >easily be many more >around. very bad !!!!!!!!! don't stop till ya check it all, especially in this case >Are these bees getting ready to swarm or are they just hot or both? > YESSSS !!!!!! >Should I use a swarming prevention technique now or wait? > > yesssss !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 01:39:50 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 95 Message-ID: References: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> <19990603185836.22567.00000714@ng62.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.105 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 02:38:23 GMT X-Trace: 928463903.108.53 KRFRRPH9I1C69CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18048 Hi, I thought it was going to be a great idea, originally, but so far, it's turned out to be a loser . BUT : I took a bottom board, screwed some standoffs to the edges of the landing board, and attached a new landing board to the standoffs, right at the ends of the side shims . I had some old cedar cove moulding, and it turned out to have a just-perfect bevel, in just the right place, to make some short side boards, to keep it from blowing, or getting bumped off . It needs another guide board at the back . Something short, maybe six inches, and designed to keep a little tension against the back of the top super, and keep the new landing board tight against the outside wall of the super . A recurved spring would be all that it would take . I haven't done that yet, but on my next one, if there IS a next one, I'll take that into account . I turned it upside down, and used it to replace my top board/roof . The hive is well ventilated, and the bees have a new exit for the summer flow . No appreciation for my work : They almost totally ignore it, as an egress . Bees are such creatures of habit, that if it's not their usual door, it's not there to use . They did post a half-dozen guards at this new opening to their hive, and there is a forager coming, or going, every half a minute, or so; but as a door, it's a bust . For your purposes, though, it might be worth trying . When winter comes, you can replace it with a standard roof, in about a second, and everybody's happy . Or, possibly, leave it in place, and block the lower entrance, to avoid a thermal powered draft . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 3:58PM, in message <19990603185836.22567.00000714@ng62.aol.com>, HarrisonRW wrote: Hi Norm, Don't worry about the bees hanging out. When it gets hot and sticky the hive gets too warm and the bee hang out on the front porch to cool the hive down so that the honeycomb does not start to sag and melt because of the high temp. If you notice in the early morning the bees will be back in the hive when the temps are cooler. Regards, Ralph Western CT Beekeepers Association>There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jun 4 06:49:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 02:55:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j5nl3$ls9$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990603225552.17938.00000248@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18049 > >If you can't read the label then what makes you think you >could read the directions here? > >Greg the beekeep > The 6.4 oz pkg sometimes comes with a piece of paper with directions sometimes not. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatment for brood Ask Who ? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 01:56:40 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j6v51$eqo$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.105 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 02:55:12 GMT X-Trace: 928464912.565.16 KRFRRPH9I1C69CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18050 Hi, The day I need to go to a civil servant for medicines, for me, or for my animals, is the day I look for a stronger, more aggressive militia . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 3:00PM, in message <7j6v51$eqo$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >In article <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> >liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) writes: > >> >>Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? > >One 6.4 oz packet of water soluable TM-25, three 1 lb boxes of Domino >Confectioners Sugar, mix thoroughly, treat hives with 1 rounded >tablespoon sprinkled over ends of the frames 3 times at three to five >day intervals. > >NO HONEY SUPERS for 6 WEEKS after treatments. > >Surf to: >http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/97oct3.htm >or better yet, READ THE LABEL! > >Aaron Morris - thinking RTFM! I'm willing to bet he doesn't have TM-25 or he would know the answer. Terramycin comes in different concentrations for treating different livestock. I have never seen a packet of Terramycin that didn't have the label attached. If these idiots keep this stuff up we will all need a veterinarian's prescription to buy our drugs for our bees. If you don't have the label - don't use it. We already have foulbrood that is resistant to TM! People like liabilite ARE the cause. We shouldn't encourage them. Greg the beekeep PS: Obviously he doesn't think therefore he can't bee. // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ffx.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.tli.de!blackbush.xlink.net!news.csl-gmbh.net!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: things to check for in hive Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:13:27 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7j6nl7$493s$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> <18350801ds86.sysam@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 928440807 000 192.168.254.73 (3 Jun 1999 20:13:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:13:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18051 thanks everyone! btw, i have read at least 5 books from the library, but it doesnt hurt to ask for more updated advice, i figure. From geoffkb@coldmail.com Fri Jun 4 06:49:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: geoffkb@coldmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:38:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37585737.47914772@netnews.worldnet.att.net> References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.3.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928471080 15930 12.64.3.90 (4 Jun 1999 04:38:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:38:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18052 You could just take the old queen from the swarm if you can find her. There are ways to do this, like getting the swarm to crawl through a queen excluder. When you have removed the queen, take the frames from the hive one by one, shake ordinary flour all over the bees. Then with an emplty super on top of the hive, shake flour all over the swarm and empty them into the super. This is much quicker than newspaper amd seems to work just as well. By the time the bees have removed all the flour from themselves they have forgotten their differences. Geoff On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:27:17 -0400, "Gabe" wrote: >Hello all, > >A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was >left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like >to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the >queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back >the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am >planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them >apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to >learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be >MOST apreciated! > >Thanks >Gabe > > From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 4 06:49:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Working with bees in Fresno Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:21:03 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7j7lj7$5cl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <3757542f.47138121@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.80 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928471463 5525 12.72.205.80 (4 Jun 1999 04:44:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:44:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18053 Check with Dadant & Sons wrote in message news:3757542f.47138121@netnews.worldnet.att.net... > I'm looking for some work with bees in the Fresno area. Has anyone got > any ideas or suggestions? From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 11:00:40 GMT References: <7in6rt$p5h$6@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18054 I know that the catenary hive is mentioned in book called Home Honey Production. I didn't know if there was another book on subject. It puzzle me why a top bar hive would not be made in the catenary shape because of the shape of comb. From ttgme@megalink.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3757C5A2.35479234@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:25:07 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.146 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 928499639 208.148.250.146 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:33:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:33:59 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18055 Gabe wrote: > Hello all, > > A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was > left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like > to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the > queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back > the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am > planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them > apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to > learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be > MOST apreciated! > > Thanks > Gabe Gabe, I learned that your bees have swarmed for 1 of 3 reasons. 1. SUPERCEDURE: natures way of keeping new young queens laying eggs to keep colonies strong. 2. VENTILATION: the hive has to be able to properly keep the right temperature and air movement in order to dehydrate nectar into honey. There is a lot of moisture that has to be removed from the hive in the process of making honey. 3. ROOM: swarming frequently occurs when your current hive doesn't have enough space or empty foundation/comb to work on. So, before trying to put the old swarm back into the same hive, I would suggest that you take a few minutes and try to find the reason why the hive swarmed in the first place. Fix the problem before trying to rehive. A few years ago, I rehived a swarm 3 times trying to get them to stay in the box. Without fixing the problem, I didn't have very good luck. Here in Maine, June is also a big swarming season. If your hive consists of a single brrod chamber, add another one on top. If your hive already has 2 brood chambers, throw on a honey super. As far as combining though, I would tend to install the swarm into a new box of undrawn foundation so that you get the benefit of 2 colonies. The queen cups laid in the original hive will hatch, hopefully mate successfully, and build the strength of the first hive back up. If you decide to combine the 2 colonies, I would suggest that you use the sheet of paper that you mentioned, but, using your hive tool, cut a couple of slits in the paper. This will allow the bees to get an edge to chew to open up the entire hive area. The paper is useful to allow both colonies some time to get "reacquainted" and accept each other with less fighting. Bear in mind, that if any of the existing queen cups hatch, there will be a fight between the new queen and the existing queen. Since the new queen is younger and not "puffy" from laying eggs, she will have a better chance of winning and you may end up losing the existing queen. That's why I suggested starting a second hive. Good Luck, Paul Bilodeau From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:28:44 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7j8gu8$8od$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <37585737.47914772@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.7.162 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928499464 8973 12.68.7.162 (4 Jun 1999 12:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 12:31:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18056 The Old queen is with the swarm and the new in the hive? I do have a queen excluder to put them through, if this is the case then I can get the old queen by putting the swarm on top and haveing the whole swarm going down to the hive. Please advise, I want to get this right and not disrupt them too much. geoffkb@coldmail.com wrote in message <37585737.47914772@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... >You could just take the old queen from the swarm if you can find her. >There are ways to do this, like getting the swarm to crawl through a >queen excluder. > >When you have removed the queen, take the frames from the hive one by >one, shake ordinary flour all over the bees. Then with an emplty super >on top of the hive, shake flour all over the swarm and empty them into >the super. > >This is much quicker than newspaper amd seems to work just as well. By >the time the bees have removed all the flour from themselves they have >forgotten their differences. > >Geoff > > > >On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:27:17 -0400, "Gabe" >wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was >>left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like >>to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the >>queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back >>the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am >>planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them >>apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to >>learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be >>MOST apreciated! >> >>Thanks >>Gabe >> >> > From cross@pcpostal.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374FD6D6.AF5EB460@pcpostal.com> From: Bee Wrangler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 X-Trace: /wq5/b/3Fg0rdBGSlCeKarACIGghYObLBUh5oHXGQJkwDs+BUpzQ6/ywhBRsKdbLbWZ/8+oo6ZzD!oLNfMdpP/YHQ+L44k2dWS8YWc5MRKoWgWsM45Ylw2T2+WLbYU00A X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:06:44 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:06:44 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18057 I hate to say it but I'm not sure if the queen's wings were clipped, I didn't know to check. I have a bee book but it does not cover a lot of things and I'm going to have to get a better one. I do not have an extra hive or swarm trap and since this is Memorial day weekend I'm afraid I'm in big trouble. I guess there is a lesson here somewhere. I'll be better prepared next time. From adamf@golux.radix.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More on Virgin Queens Date: 4 Jun 1999 07:56:40 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 75 Message-ID: <7j80ro$fad$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18058 I replied to Peter Edwards in message <7ig50e$d5j$1@golux.radix.net>... >Really? I'd like a citation on this aspect of virgin >queen mating behavior if you've got one. Peter responded: >Adam >Personal observation! >Nucs with no brood and a virgin often swarm when >the queen flies to mate. If , you can see the >'mating sign' as the queen enters the hive. Cool. But "often" really doesn't mean anything biologically. How many observations have you made? Over how many years? What other variables come into play that might perhaps influence this behavior? My point: to make a generalization about bee behavior, one should have documented data that can be backed up as statistically significant. A replicated experiment, tested with the appropriate statistic really makes the behavioral statement more factual. Not that I'm stating your observations aren't factual, but perhaps there is other variation happening in the situations that might be influencing what you observe. Most behavioral tests are replicated, utilizing an experimental design to minimize the variance, assuring that what is being observed is really an *effect* from the hypothesized aspect, and not of something else. >I suspect that this is, again, natural selection at >work; if there is no brood then the colony has no >chance of survival without the queen and therefore >follows her when she flies. It is this type of swarm >that often absconds - probably because it has no brood >(i.e. investment) to which it feels a need to return. Okay, but then how do you explain laying workers? How does "natural selection" account for them? Or colonies that have no brood, and do *not* follow the virgin on her mating flight? I've observed these, and not seen a queenless, brood-less nuc swarm. >In the case of a full sized colony that swarms, a >similar behavior is seen if one virgin survives and >is then delayed from taking her mating flight, perhaps >by bad weather, until all the brood has hatched; the >result is a massive swarm - which may not return to the >now empty hive, giving the appearance of absconding. But wouldn't it be more parsimonious for the colony to remain where it was, and not have to create more comb, expend scouting energy, carry honey stores, and expose itself to non-hive competition from predators, stress, etc, than to seek a new nest site only because there is "no chance of survival without the queen"? Maybe something happens pheromonally to the colony when there is no more young brood (brood pheromone: email me for citations) and the virgin is producing all her pheromones, plus maybe others we don't know about; maybe to restore the proper pheromonal balance in the colony that signifies colony order, new comb must be constructed? Comb plays an integral role in colony organization pheromonally (email me for citations). Testing your hypothesis would be interesting. Can you or anyone else think up some ways to design experiments to show if indeed, when colonies are brood-less, with a virgin, they will abscond with the queen, until she is mated. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? But ... Why ? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 12:07:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604080751.17309.00000143@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18059 Ken wrote " I can't resist asking the obvious question . Why NOT honeybees ? Sheeeeesh ! " I saw on video where large greenhouse operators use bumble bees to pollinate crops in greenhouse. Comment in video was that bumble bees do not try to escape the greenhouse. There is a significant labour cost saving in using bumble bees. Honeybees escape. Maybe that is why man is trying to abduct bumble bees . From kejones@my-deja.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: KJ Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need advice on captured swarm Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:52:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7iqg72$5sg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.65.144.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 30 04:52:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.65.144.87 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18060 Last year I started a colony from a captured swarm. I thought I'd see what the native queen was like, so I didn't requeen. A week ago, (just before I left on a one week trip), I caught the hive in the act of swarming. I recaptured the swarm, and set it up in a new hive body with drawn comb. I'd like to get some honey this year, and go into winter with a strong hive, so I'm thinking it would be best to recombine the swarm with the original colony. 1) Is this a wise move? 2) Should I kill the virgin, or the original queen (which I assume is the one in the swarm)? One final question: At the time the hive swarmed, there was an unoccuppied hive body, with drawn comb, sitting right next to the hive which swarmed. (This was from a hive which did not make it through the winter.) Was it neccessary for me to capture the swarm, or is it reasonable to assume that the swarm would have settled in this body anyway? Thanks for any advice, Kelly Hillsboro, OR Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives insulated for comfort Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1999 02:52:26 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18061 If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less temperature fluctuation within hive. In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a web site "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive with a material with higher R rating than wood.. From cde049@airmail.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:38:59 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3D11E0D89141F0FB.064748CF97083FF2.C9E6331D9A7E5341@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7irka8$jnd@library3.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun May 30 10:08:56 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`&,.1k-WVNf(J` (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18062 Someone, French or Belgian, Has a picture on their websight showing a hive bottom made of metal tubes to try to combat varoa. Does anyone have the URL or how the experiment is going? From carmar007@yahoo.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar007@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Box Honey Frames Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:59:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7irn85$udn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 30 15:59:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18063 Years ago, 40' & 50's, we kept bees (Maine) and we used box frames. These were about 4inches square & 2 inches thick and set into a rack in the super. Are these still available? If so, where? Also, can anyone please tell me the names of some good catalogs? Thank you, Carol & Evelyn Ozark Mtns. - MO Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 19:22:59 GMT References: <7j92a8$iou$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604152259.23075.00000339@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18064 paulk oakley wrote >Interesting. I could have sworn that you quite recently expressed your >disdain for the Langstroth. If you want to split hairs do mean man or his hives? To be clear I express no disdain for the man or his hives. He is legendary. My choice of hive is complex based on a number of factors including the cost of langstroth hive and what I percieve to be difficulty to construct (which would reduce cost if you self construct). Also from what I read there are considerable after costs too with the choice of langstroth hive. Also from what I read, I like the simple operation top bar hive. All my reasons are about my personal circumstances. I could go on and on but I'm busy with the design phase of my top bar hives. I've acquired some new (cheap) material today for my hives. From h.tait@home.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <9LV53.47126$75.35974@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:25:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928524357 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:25:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:25:57 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18065 Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net... > Timothy Dobbs wrote: > > > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > > harvest honey? > > Tim Dobbs > > tdobbs@aug.edu > Try the tip up/abandon method. During honey flow, in the early evening take the supers of the hive and tip them on their side. Insuring there is no brood ( bees will not abandon brood) In the early morning go back before they are flying and the boxes will be almost if not empty. Blow the stragglers out and remove. This must be done during honeyflow or they will start robbing. Should that happen, take the lids off all the hives in the yard, and all the bees will panic run home to defend their big front door, some jerk left open. The only time I have found bees still in the box in great numbers, is when either brood or the queen was present. If that is the case simply reunite with origional hive I might have left out some details, if you need more, I will e-mail you this method. hugh From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 5 07:07:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:55:00 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3751EBF3.501CF98D@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928112052 12449 203.63.79.234 (31 May 1999 00:54:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 00:54:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18066 JMitc1014 wrote: > Is it better not to hive swarms at night? > I don't recollect any book I've read recommending a preferred time of day to > hive a swarm. Any advice? The important point is to give them time to settle in the new box before "bed time". The scouts need time to return and learn the swarm has settled in the box. I suggest you allow at least 1 hour (more would be better). After dark when the bees are all in and "gone to bed" you can remove the box to some convenient location. If you box the bees early in the day, you can leave the site and return after dark to remove them. This 2nd trip is often very inconvenient for the beekeeper. One option is to box the bees late in the afternoon (just before sunset). You remain there until the bees have settled and then move them (educate the people who called you while you wait) From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:42:54 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7isur1$25k$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.142 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928120481 2228 12.72.205.142 (31 May 1999 03:14:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 03:14:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18067 Peter, are you aware that someone has switched bodies with you? Someone else speaking the virtues of TBH's. And now you, a convert to the Langstroth. My days of "medicine" smoking are long past but thanks for the invite. Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.11ba6b04e5721cae9896b3@news.pe.net... > A well run Langstroth operation can produce a fine work of nature, dude. > My Aunt Crewe in Sheridan told me so, and my cousin in Story proves it is > true. > Bee power is immense and we can be proud of our countryman, Mr. > Langstroth, of Illinois, I believe it is, for designing moveable frames > to be able to harness this tremendous puissance des fleurs. > (smokin' a little medicine tonight over here tonight - join me George?) > From h.tait@home.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990604145033.16426.00000364@ngol03.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:57:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928522624 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:57:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:57:04 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18068 > Material that I am thinking of using for my hives will be cardboard since it > is easy to work with. I read that that cardboard covered with stucco or other > material can last up to 30 yrs outdoors. . > The outside of the hive might last 20-30 years, but the wear and tear of removing bars, after they have been propolized will disintegrate the card board the ledge is attached to. On the good side it migtht last a year or two until you design a more permanent structure hugh From h.tait@home.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5BV53.47121$75.36017@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:15:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928523713 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:15:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:15:13 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18069 Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com... > If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an > insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be less > temperature fluctuation within hive Winter here goes from 40 below to 5 above. Insulating slowings down the temp change so the bees can react and move stores, change cluster size. Moisture is also a killer, so you MUST have proper ventalation or they will die. Its like the saying we have up here. " so what if its 40 below, its a dry cold " > > In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in a > web site > > "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are good > to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". I am very interested in these styrofoam boxes, my only concern ( maybe misplaced) is regarding styrofoams abilitie to transfer moisture through the walls, as opposed to condensation. That being said this getleman in sweden live in much the same climate, is a good beekeeper seems to have success with them http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ > > Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a hive > with a material with higher R rating than wood.. Again the only bad thing might be that they keep the bees too isolated from outside the hive weather condition. Too much insulation seems to be as bad as too little. When I firtst started we killed hives by overinsulating. Thinking if some is good more is better. hugh From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 20:28:41 GMT References: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604162841.23077.00000332@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18070 hugh writes: >The outside of the hive might last 20-30 years, but the wear and tear of >removing bars, after they have been propolized will disintegrate the card >board the ledge is attached to. On the good side it migtht last a year or >two until you design a more permanent structure For further clarification cardbord is very hard pressed like what you would see in carpet rolls. It is almost like wood. I prefer to use it because it is almost in shape of top bar hive I am building. I will try to reinforce it where you indicate that there will be prying on bars at ledge area.. Thanks From tomapis@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hobby queen rearing? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 23:22:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7j7lj8$5cl$2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990604192225.21529.00000755@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18071 Well dont give up yet...I still feel that you can get good queens that suit your area and can be productive..just as long as you have plenty of drones and graft at the right time...and of course feed them and keep the nuc well filled with emerging brood..good luck next time From tomapis@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering spring packaged bees?? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 23:28:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990604081042.24126.00000264@ng-cs1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990604192805.21529.00000756@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18072 You need to rotate your frames bringing the side ones into the center..just dont split brood . Push it aside and and rotate in form the side...once you have at least nine brood frames filled you and have a good flow coming in you can try to do comb honey but you have to have a real crowded colony so you may need to spit one of your two stories and shake most of the bees into one of these and place you round comb on this...it may make them try to swarm so be careful but you have to have lots of bees and a good flow to get rounds and to get the bees into the rounds..For extraction supers its not so bad..just super your foundation supers without and excluder on your second story...same for cut comb supers..Your bees will work Buckwheat really well but it is not good for comb honey ...better for extraction...alfalfa however is great comb honey..What strain of bees do you have? Good luck Tom From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:29:15 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 928539150 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:32:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:32:30 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18073 Are you saying you want to till this field in and plant bee pasture? Or maybe something for a cash crop? Location? Rainfall? From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 5 07:07:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 22:37:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <9LV53.47126$75.35974@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <19990604183723.00845.00000677@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18074 Just pulled 38 medium frames from 5 hives -all nicely capped snow white. Honey flow is on pretty well here in CT. I use a brush and savor every minute I spend in the beeyard. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 21:20:48 GMT References: <3752E028.7004@povn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531172048.10853.00005615@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18075 Well Howdy Skip In article <3752E028.7004@povn.com>, "J. F Hensler" writes: >And, as >pointed out here recently, beekeepers have a tendency to be somewhat >testy even on a good day. :-) I remember reading that isn't that a comment made in Sue Hubbell book. Why is that so? One of the reasons I wanted to get into beekeeping was I thought that one would have to be calm and deliberate in action so as not to anger the bees. Almost like a bio feedback mechanism to ensure you don't loose your cool otherwise you get stung more. But beekeeping, from what I read, also involves some lifting and shifting of supers on the warmer better days. I won't say anything here about top bar hives. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 00:39:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604203930.23077.00000410@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18076 Rick writes >Are you saying you want to till this field in and plant bee pasture? Or >maybe something for a cash crop? Location? Rainfall? I would like to plant plants that might help area if I had top bar bee hives (if needed based on my previous list of plants in area). I have no equipment to plow field. I don't desire a cash crop. There is a fair amount of rainfall and the whole area gets morning dew. No frost usually between May 24 to October 1. Some top soil with sand base. Perrenial herbs that are easy to grow may do well, like Borage. Thanks From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 5 07:07:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:26:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-16.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928190708 4985 62.136.19.16 (31 May 1999 22:45:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:45:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18077 I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; if the effect lasted for a long time then colonies would be constantly on the attack and this would not be good for the colonies (or anyone else for that matter!). Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net>... >Last week I was stung on my left earlobe and scraped out the stinger. >Each time I re-approached the hive, a few angry bees zeroed in on my >left ear. I've read where a sting releases an alarm chemical which >enables other bees to locate an enemy, and my question is how long this >chemical scent persists From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 01:39:28 GMT References: <19990604203930.23077.00000410@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604213928.06548.00000419@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18078 >Rick writes > >>Are you saying you want to till this field in and plant bee pasture? Or >>maybe something for a cash crop? Location? Rainfall? > Sorry, I forgot to state location is near Algonquin Park, Ontario Canada Thanks for your interest From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:44:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990531172048.10853.00005615@ngol04.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990601004431.12514.00009272@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18079 The comment, as quoted by Hubbell, came from none other than C.P Dadant, and implied that talented beekeepers care so deeply about attention to detail, that in their fussiness they can get a little cranky. What is it with this group -- seems like many of us here sit down in front of our computers smoking grass (as implied in one posting), drinking beer (as stated in this thread), or tossing back a gin and tonic (as in my case right now). Is beekeeping like being a cop -- so intense that we all have to make an extra effort to relax after the work is done or what? From agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 5 07:07:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!bignews.mediaways.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <19990528161107.25969.00000799@ngol02.aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:34:53 GMT Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18080 > Top bar hive is less labour intensive than Langstroth therefore analogy > to > horse and tractor should be reversed. Yields are less but of higher > quality and > requiring less effort to produce. > Top bar hives are not used here in Ireland or in the UK. Is this related to the more temperate climate here ?. We have to build colonies up to conserve heat. Michael ( from Dublin ) From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saging comb in brood box Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 01:48:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <68B337B251D67A07.A83A48BCA08390CE.4D3C661EAEA571D0@lp.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990604214850.08003.00001022@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18081 From: "dewitt" >Typically here in Texas it has been in the 90's (both humidity and F. temp) >all this week I went out this evening (the only time I have to work the >bees) and the comb in my Deeps is all sagging and drooping to the bottom> I >will stager the mediums above them (Three on one hive Two on the other) to >improve ventilation but short of A/C is there anything else I should do? Hmmmmm..... no 100's yet? Give 'em shade...at least in the afternoon. I know that's easier done in South Carolina than in Texas. But I am real fussy about making sure they have at least partial shade, and I've not had a meltdown, even in 104 degree weather. I have had 'em melt down on the truck though. You might have to put up some kind of pole structure with some shadecloth. Also water is important. They can cool the hive quite a bit, if they have plentiful water real close by. Again, easier here than there... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.atl.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:05:06 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <375323B2.5481@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a1.86 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 1999 03:59:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18082 Any one using Liquid Smoke from a mister or baker's fondant for feeders (glucose syrup and white sugar ) care to comment on them? From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:10:41 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7j5gtv$8kq$1@epos.tesco.net> References: <928179963@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.25.125 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18083 Hi Bill I should like to take up your point:- "The Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes....... conclusion was that the intake level of gene products from pollen in honey was likely to be negligible". 3 other research projects supported this conclusion. While the main extra gene is derived from Bt, a substance that is used quite a lot within hives to kill wax moth without effect on the bees, there are some indications that this bacillus can mutate and has produced contra indications in French studies. Do you have sight of the substance of the studies and 3 research projects on which the Advisory Committee based their conclusions? Regards Keith Hooker ex Canterbury BKA From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jun 5 07:07:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: things to check for in hive Date: Tue, 01 Jun 99 09:06:33 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <18350801DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18084 In article <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: > >>okay, tomorrow i will open up my hive for the second time and check for >>how the queen is laying. i was too > >> what else should i check for? > >look for eggs, check for disease >look for wax moth damage( sign of a weak hive or other problems ) check bottom >board for beetles, open a few drone cells checkin for varroa, look for queen >cells > Look for a good beginner beekeeping book! > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1999 13:52:08 GMT References: <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990601095208.13702.00004470@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18085 In article <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) writes: >Do I have to do anything to get a crop of tomatoes. > Yes, you can use an artificial hormone (tomato set) available at gardening supplies, or you can shake the vines once a day. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 5 07:07:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd behavior for a queen...I think Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:58:44 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7jab23$8j4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.14 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928558979 8804 12.72.50.14 (5 Jun 1999 05:02:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 1999 05:02:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18086 Put 1 deep and 1 med frame in observation hive yesterday to take to the kids school. Had the marked queen along with a good sampling of eggs, larva and sealed brood. By this afternoon they had built a queen cup on the bottom bar between the frames. This evening, her highness is diligently working on tearing down the cup with her mandibles. She worked on it a good 15 minutes until it was completely gone. I don't recall ever reading about this kind of behavior. I know the cell was not there when I put them in the observation. Anyone have an explaination? From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 5 07:07:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm in tree Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:15:21 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <375485A8.D018F501@ozemail.com.au> References: <928253688.517046@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928282470 8333 203.63.79.234 (2 Jun 1999 00:14:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 1999 00:14:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18087 The simple answer is "cut the tree down". However, I imagine she would object to that Besides cutting down a tree like that is not so easy (and sacrilege). In theory, you can 1) put a one way trap over the entrance so the bees can go out but can't go back into the nest (this is not easy) 2) put a hive with foundation and one frame of brood next to the entrance (it must be VERY close to the entrance). When the bees find that they cannot go back into their own nest and there is a frame of brood that needs care close by, they will go into your hive and care for the brood. After a few weeks (when all the brood in the tree have grown) you will have all the worker bees in the new hive. At this point, you can remove the hive to another location and remove the trap over the entrance. The old nest might still have some honey in it. When bees from other colonies close by discover this, the will visit the old nest to remove the honey. The lady will tell you "they're still there" or "they came back". You must convince her (and yourself) that they are robbing the honey (taking it back to their own colony) This also takes several weeks. The whole process is an AWFUL lot of hard yacka on your part. If your lucky, you might feel a warm inner glow for a job well done but that is ALL you really get out of it. I normally tell people that it simply is not worth the effort. The bees are not a threat and they might as well leave them there. If you can, show her my web site I have designed this site mainly for non beekeepers like the lady you are helping. It answers a lot of the questions she is asking you. (you may need to print it out for her). I do not have any picture to put on it yet, Sorry about that but the sort of pictures I want are not so easy to collect. Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote: > Just got a call from a lady that has a swarm of bees that showed up and made > their home in an old oak tree in her yard. She wants them taken away. How > do I get them out of the tree?? > Appreciate any help. From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jun 5 07:07:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Better than Hardware cloth? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 04:33:55 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 928571404 209.69.69.100 (Sat, 05 Jun 1999 08:30:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 08:30:04 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18088 I was moving a hive the other day- used plastic canvas curled into a U and placed in the enterance with thumbtacks- It worked great! (Plastic Canvas is a molded sheet of stiff but flexible plastic with a grid of tiny holes in it. It is sold in craft stores, and used for needlepoint projects. It is available in several gauges, and many colors) It is easier to cut and shape. It is easier to store- Pops back out flat when removed. Doesn't rust. Doesnt catch on and rip veils when tossed in the back of the car. *However* It is not as strong as hardware cloth May be slightly more expensive (Plastic canvas is about $1 per large sheet at the craft store, while hardware cloth is $2.25 per foot at the Hardware. I think the HC is slightly cheaper.) You cannot join PC panels by meshing and bending over the "wires" I'm trying to think of other areas where I could use PC as a convenient, easily shaped substitute for hardware cloth. Any Ideas? Ellen From spmr@msn.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek> Subject: Re: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:28 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.entomology.misc Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa03 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34702 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18089 sci.agriculture.fruit:2786 sci.bio.botany:9916 sci.bio.entomology.misc:8932 Bernd Kuemmel wrote in message <01beac73$4a0969e0$354636d4@bek>... >Dear Reader >1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every >2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would >produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many >flowering days can I count on)? > >2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? Don't forget that certain Andrena species (Apidae; Andreninae) (A.clarkella, A.praecox, A.apicata, A.ruficrus and probably others in continental Europe) depend on Salix pollen as do (indirectly) their various Nomada cleptoparasites. Bombus spp. (especially B.terrestris) is also a common visitor to male Salix. Good luck with the project Stuart Roberts From hutchiso@ccp.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!WCG!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clustering at entrance Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: CCP Online Message-ID: <928584327.525243@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup65-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:02:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928584392 207.193.195.8 (Sat, 05 Jun 1999 05:06:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 05:06:32 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18090 I have a very strong hive of buckfast bees that I have given several honey supers already but they are clustering on the hive entrance as if they don't have enough room to get into the hive. There is a nectar flow going on and they are bringing in nectar and pollen by the bunch. Should I be concerned by the bunch at the entrance? Lowell Hutchison St. Joseph MO. From harrisonrw@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Better than Hardware cloth? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 12:55:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990605085519.16038.00000314@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18091 > I was moving a hive the other day- used plastic canvas curled into a U >and placed in the enterance with thumbtacks- It worked great! >(Plastic Canvas is a molded sheet of stiff but flexible plastic with a grid >of tiny holes in it. It is sold in craft stores, and used for needlepoint >projects. > I was moving a hive the other day- used plastic canvas curled into a U >and placed in the enterance with thumbtacks- It worked great! >(Plastic Canvas is a molded sheet of stiff but flexible plastic with a grid >of tiny holes in it. It is sold in craft stores, and used for needlepoint >projects. This stuff is also great for feeding sugar syrup. Take a cheep dishpan and cut the plastic to the shape of the dishpan, fill with syrup. Float some small twigs on the syrup then lay the plastic on top (the plastic will float but the weigh of the bees on it will make it sink, hence the use of the twigs). Place the dishpan on top of the hive with a empty super around it and presto you have a large volume in hive feeder. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:54:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7j1381$9lv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990528161107.25969.00000799@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 01 16:54:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18092 agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") wrote: > Top bar hives are not used here in Ireland or in the UK. Is this related > to the more temperate climate here ? No. A TBH's structure has to do with technological choices. A TBH has fewer parts to assemble, consisting only of the box and a series of bars the width of comb plus bee space which fit flush against each other(often with a ridge down the center of each to encourage the bees not to draw comb in ways the beekeeper can't manage) and some kind of cover to keep the rain out. While some TBH users rig a supering system, the TBH is essentially designed as a one-box system. In cold climates, some TBH users insert a solid divider in the TBH to reduce the area the bees must maintain their cluster's warmth in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lazov@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Alexander Lazovsky Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Patent of the new beehive construction Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:40:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7j12dn$9cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.116.191.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 01 16:40:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.116.191.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18093 Dear Sirs! For last several years I work on improvement of beehives constructions. In the June 1998 I've obtained the Israel patent of the new construction of beehive with these parameters. The main difference of my new beehive is using the alternative non - wood materials for making it possible to produce the beehive that is lighter, cheaper and the beehive provides stable microclimate inside for any weather condition and stands for simple, quick and safe moving from place to place. My new technology of producing the new beehive reduces time for the whole process down to the 5 minutes and its cost down for 2-2.5 times low comparing for regular wooden beehive. The test of the smaples was pretty good. In Israel there is no need for large number of beehives per year, that's why I looking for any serious partner for patenting and inculcating my new beehive in your country. If you have interest for such kind of behaves I'd like to offer to cooperate with me in order to patent and to inculcate those beehives in your region. Don't hesitate to ask me for more details. I'll be more then pleased receiving an answer from you. Sincerely, Efim Lazovsky. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:19:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 72 Message-ID: <7j20rf$6b0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 01:19:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18094 Well! These learned disquisitions on the exact chemicals involved in the alarm response and stinging are very interesting. I usually work my bees dressed in Levis and a thick long-sleeved shirt, though, and I usually don't use smoke. I've noticed something that seems to be at odds with the quoted scent dispersal times, however. Over the course of several visits, on different days separated perhaps by a couple of weeks or more, that the bees seem to get progressively meaner. I always assumed that it was some sort of cumulative effect going on, since I'll often pick up a few stingers in the fabric of the shirt when I'm out there. But if the chemicals truly fall off to nothing in a matter of minutes, or at worst, hours, then that shouldn't happen. Puzzling. Is there yet another chemical involved, and has anyone else made a similar observation? As far as the original topic, reflected in the title of this thread, I use goatskin gloves with canvas uppers. I've never been stung through them, and don't find them much of an impediment either. But I work pretty slowly anyway -- more relaxing that way, and the bees seem to like it better. If I had a commercial operation I might do it differently. With respect to masking the scent of the poison sac to as to make the site less of a target for future attacks, I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned (as far as I saw, anyway) that smoke works very well for that purpose. But maybe that's too obvious, eh? In article <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca>, Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> wrote: > > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > > I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is > > also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees > > that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about > > the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; > snip > > IPA (isopentyl acetate) is a important part of the honey bee alarm > pheromone. It has a fruity smell and is very volatile. On the abdomen > tip is a gland which produces this pheromone, and after you got stung > the gland remains with the stinger in your skin to label the target. > If the stuff is released by bees to alarm the colonie the effect is not > very long lasting, only minutes or even seconds (but the colonie > responds to subsequent signals much faster). A stinger in your skin, or > glan tissue on your fingers after removing the stinger ist very active > for at least 30 minutes. Wash your hands after removing a stinger, or > use vinegar solution to mask the pheromone scent. Otherwise it's just a > matter of time to catch another one. > > Cheers > > Ulli > -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatmeat for brood Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:46:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7j5nl3$ls9$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18095 liabilite@aol.com (Liabilite) wrote: >Can anyone tell me the parts or measurments for Terramycin and powder sugar ? If you can't read the label then what makes you think you could read the directions here? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From npatt@snet.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a swarm, hot bees or both? Date: 3 Jun 1999 11:07:42 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7j5nlu$q6@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh1-port39.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18096 Here's the deal It's been hot and humid here in Connecticut. There are gobs of bees at the opening. Many are clustered in big handfulls. The hive is very large and was a bit crowded for space. I put on 2 shallow supers this week. While going through I did a quick look for queen cells. I found one uncapped. I didn't keep looking in the bottom brood chamber so there could easily be many more around. Are these bees getting ready to swarm or are they just hot or both? Should I use a swarming prevention technique now or wait? Any help would be wonderful Norm npatt@snet.net From beetools@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 15:47:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990604152259.23075.00000339@ngol04.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18097 I have the skills and the tools (Powermatic 66 and, INCA 250 table saws, two each radial arm saws, bandsaws, and almost as many routers as Norm Abrhams, etc.), and even if I figure my time at $0, I can't buy the lumber for what I can buy Langstroth-style woodware. If you are building bee equipment in your wood shop, it's for the pleasure of woodworking, not any cost savings. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:35:58 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 63 Message-ID: <7j5qs5$bmc$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> <3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.7 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 928411333 11980 208.247.251.7 (3 Jun 1999 12:02:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 1999 12:02:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18098 FWIW, I remove my supers one at a time to about 20 feet from the hives, so they are less defensive, and then just remove a frame at a time to another super box with cover, blowing off the bees as I do it. 'Cept I just blow with my mouth after shaking the frame! For just a few hives, it works fine for me. Last year, I rigged up an old squirrel cage blower to try power blowing them, but it wasn't powerful enough to budge them. It sure did befuddle them some though with the "wind" and I didn't get any stings doing it. I've had trouble keeping the porter bee escapes adjusted so they work properly as "check valves." I've seen a cute inner cover with three concentric triangles of thin wood strips glued around the center hole, with the corners of the triangles open a bee space or so, and the triangles then covered with a screen. With it installed under the supers with the screened triangles on the bottom side, the bees could come down through the hole and out the corners, but when they went in the corners, they invariably took a "side street" over to another corner of the triangle and back out that side! Cute! A couple of guys in our club started making them last year and really like them. Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:3754A283.B96EF040@valley.net... Timothy Dobbs wrote: > What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to > harvest honey? > Tim Dobbs > tdobbs@aug.edu greetings, guess it depends on your definition of 'easiest.' others have already mentioned blowers, which certainly are quick. but, for my couple of hives i use inner covers, fitted with a couple of one-way porter escapes and inserted between the super and the rest of the hive. leave on overnight. the bees migrate down to the colony at night and can't get back into the super(s). works really well, and i usually only have a handful of bees to brush off the frames the next day. being an overnight process it is not the quickest, but it is very easy, having no power requirements or equipment to transport [except for the modified inner covers]. as an aside, i left two empty supers out on the lawn for 'just a couple of minutes' a couple of weeks ago. big mistake. in minutes they had bees all in and around 'em. i stacked them and put an escape board on top upside down. i watched as the bees exited via the porter escapes, but could not get back inside. they were VERY persistent, but failed to a one. in a half hour the supers were empty of bees. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 17:37:50 GMT References: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990605133750.25592.00000392@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18099 Ron wrote: >I have the skills and the tools (Powermatic 66 and, INCA 250 table saws, two >each radial arm saws, bandsaws, and almost as many routers as Norm Abrhams, >etc.), and even if I figure my time at $0, I can't buy the lumber for what I >can buy Langstroth-style woodware. If you are building bee equipment in your >wood shop, it's for the pleasure of woodworking, not any cost savings. > I don't doubt what you say. Me not being an experienced woodworker would have probably tried to buy inferior grade pine since hive is made from short pieces. Although that might be a mistake trying to run them through table saw. I have a catalogue but it is hard to determine the price of 2 complete hives they seem to price beginners kits but I don't think that is even one complete hive. Maybe I was fooled into thinking there is a cost saving by plans on web site. Anyways I'm going with top bar hives from what I read they cost zip or more if you want to buy material.. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clustering at entrance Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 22:10:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <928584327.525243@super.ccp.com> Message-ID: <19990605181047.15306.00001019@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18100 Tip the brood boxes up and see if you have queen cells with larvae in them. Improve ventillation. Add additional drawn comb. (as if there is comb to spare for most of us) Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Harvest Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 22:11:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990605181152.15306.00001020@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18101 Another 52 frames of capped spring honey removed here in Southeast CT USA Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Message-ID: <928619453@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:12:18 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d38421 REPLY: 240:44/0 4e655551 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620965 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18102 Clipping --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Message-ID: <928619451@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:52:48 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d33b1b REPLY: 240:44/0 8002efc8 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620963 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18103 Hi Keith. Good to know your still with us, so many these days seem not to be. Have you heard about Bert Hart? Area you coming on Bee Tour 99? If so I couold bring the mass of papers I have >from the Government with me. They are many pages to set out here. There are three aspects which concern me 1. the effect on bees. 2. the effect on humans of possible build up. 3. What do you tell purchasers who ask "Has any of this honey been collected from G M Crops, because if so I don't want it"! William --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From gavin@errol100.*cut-this*.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 7 06:48:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Gavin Ramsay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:26:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.nefazodone.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 928617928 25293 62.136.81.201 (5 Jun 1999 21:25:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 1999 21:25:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18104 Dear All Does anyone have an explanation for the presence of a single, sealed Q cell in a super above the excluder and brood box? The hive is a Modified National, common in the UK (I’m in E Scotland), with the usual single brood box and two supers above an undamaged wire excluder. The upper super has been on longer and is mostly capped; the lower was furnished with a mixture of drawn comb, foundation, and starter strips (hoping for comb honey) against the top bar 19 days ago. The comb drawn down from the starter strips has a few Q cups, an arch of unsealed honey, and a semi-circular lower area of empty cells as if the bees were hoping to enlarge the brood nest into the super. No such luck, I’m sticking to one deep, even in a strong colony such as this one. So, among the honey, some pollen and empty cells in the lower super, part way up from the base of the central frame and alongside an unused Q cup, was one sealed Q cell containing a living larva. No other sealed cells, larvae or eggs in the supers. The marked Q, 12 months old, was still laying in the brood box below the excluder with eggs, larvae and plenty of sealed brood. A month or two back Jack Griffes said that he suspected egg movement can take place. The only other explanation in this case would be the queen slipping through the excluder for the first time in her life to lay one egg, then retreating down again …. or maybe an egg dropping from the sky during the previous inspection! Anyone seen anything similar? Gavin. From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Question Message-ID: <928619452@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:12:10 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d383a4 REPLY: 240:244/128 662d9c00 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620963 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18105 Hi... When I posed the question of 31st May, I had mislaid the Daily Telegraph extract. The was in the paper on the 16th April and reads:- STING IN TAIL OF LIFE IN THE HIVE The enduring image of honeybees living for their queen and thriving amid order has been destroyed. In fact, they can be scheming, factional creatures who hate rearing queen's eggs, says Ben Oldroyd, a science lecturer at Aydney University. He discovered a genetic mutation causes one in 2.5 million female worker bees to rebel and lay fake queen bee eggs. Within months all the workers begin laying eggs, the queen is toppled,workers strike, and the colony crumbles. Dr Oldroyd, who is now breeding mutant colonies, said: Itr's really weird to watch. WHY BOTHER? Suppose the mutant workers foraging, before going on strike, enter another hive - could be as bad as varroa! William" --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From bill.mundy@zbee.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a swarm, hot bees or both? Message-ID: <928619450@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:43:06 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 66d316a0 REPLY: 240:44/0 f030fafe PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(401) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928620961 26082 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18106 Clipping the Queens certainly ensures the return of the Swarm to the Hive BUT watch out for the large swarm which will accompany the virgin when she leaves to permit another emerging virgin to take over the hive Clipping a Queenalone is not the sole answer. William . --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:38:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18107 "Gavin Ramsay" wrote: >Dear All >Does anyone have an explanation for the presence of a single, sealed Q cell >in a super above the excluder and brood box? >The hive is a Modified National, common in the UK (I’m in E Scotland), with >the usual single brood box and two supers above an undamaged wire excluder. >The upper super has been on longer and is mostly capped; the lower was >furnished with a mixture of drawn comb, foundation, and starter strips >(hoping for comb honey) against the top bar 19 days ago. The comb drawn >down from the starter strips has a few Q cups, an arch of unsealed honey, >and a semi-circular lower area of empty cells as if the bees were hoping to >enlarge the brood nest into the super. No such luck, I’m sticking to one >deep, even in a strong colony such as this one. So, among the honey, some >pollen and empty cells in the lower super, part way up from the base of the >central frame and alongside an unused Q cup, was one sealed Q cell >containing a living larva. No other sealed cells, larvae or eggs in the >supers. The marked Q, 12 months old, was still laying in the brood box >below the excluder with eggs, larvae and plenty of sealed brood. >A month or two back Jack Griffes said that he suspected egg movement can >take place. The only other explanation in this case would be the queen >slipping through the excluder for the first time in her life to lay one egg, >then retreating down again …. or maybe an egg dropping from the sky during >the previous inspection! Anyone seen anything similar? >Gavin. I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From tim_jk@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_jk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:28:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7j40jo$ri0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 02 19:28:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18108 Looking for suggestions on adding my second brood box. I have 5 full frames of brood now. Thought I remember reading about adding after 8 to 9 frames of brood, but not sure. Any help appreciated. Tim Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Message-ID: <3759cbeb.10147052@news.usit.net> References: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> <374EB01B.43B6A542@riverace.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 01:29:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.150.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 928632592 216.80.150.76 (Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:29:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:29:52 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18109 I also use the leather glove with the canvas sleeves and was stung one time through the seam where the thumb is sewn to the hand of the glove. Got me right in the tender part of the skin between thumb and pointer. These gloves aren't real flexible and after propolis builds up on the fingers of the glove they become quite stiff and sticky. Wis I had the nerve to go without them but I don't, even though the few stings I get don't affect be badly. Just intense pain for a few seconds and then a dull pain for a few minutes. A previous post described getting stung on ankles. Went down to my yard one afternoon and didn't put on my boots. Still had on thin black socks and dress shoes. They really love to sting ankles with thin black socks. Better to wear white. Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellow jackets in my bait hive! Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jun 1999 02:05:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990605220505.15513.00001182@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18110 I went out to check, my bait hive today and there is a nasty nest of yellow jackets moving in. I figure that if I want to get rid of them, I should open the trap, pull out the frames of undrawn foundation, and just leave it all lying out in the open sun. My questions are: Has anybody out there ever gone up against yellow jackets in a bee suit, and how did it hold up? Does smoke affect yellow jackets? Will my plan destroy the nest, and can you suggest a better way that doesn't involve chemicals that may leave a lingering smell that will make it unattractive to a swarm of bees? If I get rid of the yellow jackets, will they return if I put the bait hive back in the same place? Now that this bait hive has had a yellow jacket nest in it, will other yellow jackets always find it an attractive nest site, much the way bees like places that have previously held bee nests? Thanks in advance, JM From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice beekeeper Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jun 1999 11:39:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7jcr17$ek$1@ionews.ionet.net> Message-ID: <19990606073928.09785.00000043@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18111 From: "Stacey or Steven Greb" >I started a hive with package bees this spring. I have (or maybe had) a new >queen and everything. All has gone well until recently when the hive >started to cluster outside the brood chamber. I suspected that I needed to >add a second brood chamber for additional room, but also thought the hive >needed more ventilation. At first I prompt up the hive to give the colony >more ventilation, then began preparing a second chamber with racks and >starter, etc. > > I took the opportunity to inspect the hive. The first thing I notice >was that the hive had created at least a dozen queen cell. Therefore, I >suspected that the queen had died and they were trying to replace her or >that the hive was preparing to split and swarm (supersedure). Second, there >also seemed be a lot of drone cells. Finally, I never could find the queen >after two searches on separate days. > >What are the chances that my new, young queen has died and that I now need >to replace her?? They are preparing to swarm. Normally a young queen won't swarm, but they will if they get extremely crowded. You should have added your second box as soon as there were bees on all ten frames of the original. You are unlikely to find the queen right now, as she is slimmed down preparatory to swarming. Even if you could find her you have a very slim chance of getting them to accept a new queen. You need to use your second box now, to split them. Quick! It may already be too late, as I speak. Move the original hive a few feet. Set the new box in its place and put three frames of bees and brood in it, making sure you have a cell or two (undamaged -- don't even tip the frame over - handle very gently). The original hive will not swarm, as they will lose their field force to the nuc. And the nuc you make is not strong enough to swarm. If you don't want more hives, you can recombine them later. But it would be a real shame (and maybe make your neighbors curse you) if you lose the swarm. That is your livestock, that you have worked hard to build up. No cattleman can afford to have his calves run off and be lost in the woods. If you don't have equipment, improvise. You can put a piece of plywood or tar paper on a pallet, leaving open a crack at the front, for a bottom board. Any scrap of plywood will do for a cover. You have to move quickly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow jackets in my bait hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jun 1999 14:09:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990605220505.15513.00001182@ng-cc1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990606100934.04058.00001279@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18112 Seal the opening freeze the bait hive remove and kill torpid half frozen yellow jackets. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From altabios@bham.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 06:48:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!bham!not-for-mail From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bayvarol and swarms Date: 6 Jun 1999 13:54:24 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Message-ID: <7jduig$1j2$1@usenet.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial9.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18113 Has anyone had any experience with Bayvarol and a possible reduction in the number of swarms? John Fox ****************************************************************** Alta Bioscience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK http://www.bham.ac.uk/Alta_Bioscience From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:18:37 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 928682207 209.69.69.109 (Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:16:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:16:47 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18114 Find a rooftop location- Top of a garage or on a balcony- It keeps the bees up and out of peoples hair. TBH's look different enough from langstroths that people don't even know what they are if they see them. Stack a little wood on the lid and people will think it is a storage box full of firewood. What they don't know won't bug them- out of sight, out of mind! Ellen Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com... > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. This > makes it impossible to set up on your own postage stamp size home lot.. I've > heard where beekeepers have approached companies and asked them if they could > set up hives on their property. Particularly if it is backing on wild property. > Also I notice that there is lots of commercial lots standing empty with chain > link fences surrounding them. They tear down all structures on lot and let > lot stand empty to pay no business and less property tax. Lot is held for > future development purposes. This type of property would be perfect. I could > find out who owns it but it would probably be a shot out of hell that man > would let me set up a string of top bar hives. > > It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do > beekeeping in city?. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey and pine trees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 20:25:35 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18115 In a book entitled Honey for Health it describes a type of honey from Germany as follows: product comes from the pine forests and is really a honey-dew (saccharide exudation of the aphids that feed on pine needles). It is dark brownish in colour with an accompanying strong taste and considered a great delicacy and much relished. Seems indirect and rather technical. In the woods in early spring I saw a vast numbers of bees buzzing around spruce trees at the tips of branches. I didn't check the pines. Does that mean that conifer forests are contributors to honey production in North America as well. From npatt@snet.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow jackets in my bait hive! Date: 6 Jun 1999 20:49:02 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 71 Message-ID: <7jemru$440@news1.snet.net> References: <19990605220505.15513.00001182@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh1-port87.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18116 JM I collect yellowjackets for a Medical Lab and have had contact with hundreds of yellowjacket nests. > jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: > I went out to check, my bait hive today and there is a nasty nest of yellow > jackets moving in. I figure that if I want to get rid of them, I should open > the trap, pull out the frames of undrawn foundation, and just leave it all > lying out in the open sun. My questions are: > > Has anybody out there ever gone up against yellow jackets in a bee suit, and > how did it hold up? I use a standard bee suit and have not been stung through. Generally speaking yellowjackets are not that bad. I even wear shorts under the suit. Only once did I get nailed with a nasty baldfaced hornet. You should be all right in a bee suit. Their stingers are very much like bees but they can sting repeatedly. > Does smoke affect yellow jackets? I wouldn't bother with the smoke though I have never tried smoke on them > > Will my plan destroy the nest, and can you suggest a better way that doesn't > involve chemicals that may leave a lingering smell that will make it > unattractive to a swarm of bees? It may get rid of them. They may just build up paper around themselves. I'd use a shop vac or even a regular vacuum cleaner and get rid of the bag when you are done. Put the bag in the sun and the heat will kill them soon. I doubt bees will be bothered by any lingering yj smell but I don't know for sure. > > If I get rid of the yellow jackets, will they return if I put the bait hive > back in the same place? I doubt it but it is possible. > > Now that this bait hive has had a yellow jacket nest in it, will other yellow > jackets always find it an attractive nest site, much the way bees like places > that have previously held bee nests? Sometimes another queen yellowjacket will find it and make a new nest. If you check it often, I doubt they will have time to establish themselves. Yellowjacket nest start with a single queen. As she builds a nest and rears young then you will have more but that takes a while like a month or two. They are not like honey bees Where do you live? That would help a lot. Do you know what kind of yellowjackets they are? Describe the nest and I might be able to tell you. I wish I lived near, I'd get rid of those suckers for you. Norm npatt@snet.net > Thanks in advance, > JM > >>>> From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Mon Jun 7 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:17:28 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7jes1e$8tf$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928707438 9135 129.173.88.206 (6 Jun 1999 22:17:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 1999 22:17:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18117 > > I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when > the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. > > Greg the beekeep Were did they find this egg, if there was no uncapped brood in the hive at that time ?? Was it from a laying worker or stolen from the hive next door? ;) Confused Ulli From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Mon Jun 7 06:48:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: snelgove board Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:56:40 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.164.65 X-Trace: 928702848 1NNUCNF1GA441C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18118 Hello all Ive used snelgrove boards for the first time for years Can someone remind me of the procedure to unite top brood with new queen to bottom brood with old queen Can I just K.O. the old queen and remove the snelgrove? thanks Chris From geoffkb@coldmail.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: geoffkb@coldmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Working with bees in Fresno Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:22:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3757542f.47138121@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.3.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928470119 11373 12.64.3.90 (4 Jun 1999 04:21:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:21:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18119 I'm looking for some work with bees in the Fresno area. Has anyone got any ideas or suggestions? From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hobby queen rearing? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:26:36 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7j7lj8$5cl$2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.80 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928471464 5525 12.72.205.80 (4 Jun 1999 04:44:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 1999 04:44:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18120 Tried it in March using the Miller method. Three of the most pathetic queens ever produced by man. I did manage to get 1 of 3 mated. I'll try again but I found out that if you travel for your real job as much as I do you really have to plan carefully. Can't really do it if you are only at home on the weekends. Tomapis wrote in message news:19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com... > Would like to know if anyone who is a hobbiest is rearing there own > queens.really looking for numbers of individuals who actively raise their own > queens and the success or failures they have had..Like to hear from all parts > of the country. > > Tom..Email me replys if you want. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 04:20:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.128 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 05:18:47 GMT X-Trace: 928473527.411.36 KRFRRPH9I9880CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18121 Hi, Get some books ! If you can get a couple of queen excluders, you can have the best of BOTH worlds, by separating the two queens using a super, sandwiched between two queen excluders, and recombining your populations . Then again, maybe you ought to read postings from people who do more than read books . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 6:27PM, in message <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Gabe" wrote: Hello all, A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back the swarm do I separate them from the main hive and for how long? I am planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be MOST appreciated! Thanks Gabe From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!!! my hive swarmed OOPS ! ALSO ! Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 04:23:38 GMT Organization: Company: Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.128 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 05:22:11 GMT X-Trace: 928473731.014.69 KRFRRPH9I9880CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18122 Hi, I didn't mention, that you're supposed to put newspaper between the two colonies, to make them chew through it, to get back together without a big fight . Though in your case, with the two groups originating with the same hive, it might not be necessary . GOOD LUCK . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/3/99 6:27PM, in message <7j7a7b$fqn$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Gabe" wrote: Hello all, A hive I have was doing very well and today they swarmed. The group that was left is a bit weak and I did manage to catch the swarming bees. I would like to recombine the hive aws a whole but need some help. Do I have to find the queen in the hive and destroy her before I recombine? and when I DO add back the swarm do I seperate them from the main hive and for how long? I am planing to do this with newspaper but I'm not sure how long to keep them apart. Please post any suggestions that may help. I am hitting the books to learn more but practical experience from such a great news group would be MOST apreciated! Thanks Gabe From jimowen@swbell.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3757BC95.1F207498@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Organization: OWEN Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hobby queen rearing? References: <19990603201723.23666.00000249@ng34.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 06:46:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.58.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 928496454 151.164.58.100 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:40:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 04:40:54 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18123 This is my first successful year at it. (tried last year, but didn't do well) I'm using a Jenter type(actually Mann Lake) box. First try this spring, in March, got screwed up by cold weather (and my constant "peeking" into the hive). Out of 30 larvae, only got 7 queens, and I only think 2 of them mated. My next attempt (in May) I transferred 40 larvae, got 37 sealed queen cells, 35 hatched, and have about 12 mated nucs now (I put 2 queens in each nuc... let them fight it out), and gave away 10 queens to local beekeepers. It worked so well, I think I'll do it again in early fall to see what they can do over the winter in Nucs. Later, Jim (McKinney, TX) Tomapis wrote: > > Would like to know if anyone who is a hobbiest is rearing there own > queens.really looking for numbers of individuals who actively raise their own > queens and the success or failures they have had..Like to hear from all parts > of the country. > > Tom..Email me replys if you want. From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: treatment for brood Ask Who ? Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:38:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7j8f2m$n03$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990603020727.10969.00000299@ng-fd1.aol.com> <183527E63S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7j6v51$eqo$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18124 stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) wrote: >Hi, > The day I need to go to a civil >servant for medicines, for me, or for my >animals, is the day I look for a stronger, >more aggressive militia . >Ken . I couldn't agree with you more. We should have the right to treat ourselves without the aid of a doctor if we so choose. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From cchln@NOSPAM.alinga.newcastle.edu.au Mon Jun 7 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uow.edu.au!news.usyd.edu.au!seagoon.newcastle.edu.au!not-for-mail From: cchln@NOSPAM.alinga.newcastle.edu.au (Hope) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nuclgoing in to winter Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:47:19 GMT Organization: The University of Newcastle Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3757ba99.396059@news.newcastle.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: c25ou1-asy14.newcastle.edu.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18125 Hi I have had my first nuc for severral monthes now and we are moving into the Aussie winter. When I first got the nucI had about 5 full frames of stores and they were quite strong. We had some wet weather which stopped them flying really for about 2 weeks. The next inspection I saw the stores frames in the top box were becoming depleted. 2 weeks later they were all gone. As winter was coming in I removed the top super completely, installed a pad and proceeded to feed. They ate and ate and have now returned to strength. However my dilemma is that the weather is improving and I appear to be havinng a honey flow in this early part of winnter. All peripheral frames of brood are stuffed with capped stores and the outer frames in the brood box, now the onnly box in the hive are full of nectar. There are 5 frames of brood in the bottom box.. Some people have advised that supering down would have helped strengthen them. However with a flow should I super up now? The coldest part of winter is yet to arrive. Or should I maybe put a 1/2 deoth super on. or should I just leave be for winter and keep an eye on the stores situation? Any thoughts opinions, reccomendations are greatly appreciated. Thanks Jonathan Narara Australia http://www.geocities.com/picketfence/7113/ remove NOSPAM to reply by email From seasholtzm@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering spring packaged bees?? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jun 1999 12:10:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990604081042.24126.00000264@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18126 Hi All My question is this i started 4 packages in mid april added a second deep to all 4 in late may 3 are hive busters eating sugar syrup as fast as i can make it and are drawing out most of the frames in the center but not the outside frames?? I am in southeast PA and our flow is said to run till late june?? when should i add a super ?? i have ross rounds, cutcomb and extracting supers all ready but they are only foundation?? So when do i remove the feeders and add the supers?? Special note i farm my own ground so i will be letting the alfalfa full bloom late june and have buckwheet scheduled to bloom in july, Farmin for my bees and my cattle :~} Thanks all NewBee Garry From dalbin@sprint.ca Mon Jun 7 06:48:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-02.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Albin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990604080751.17309.00000143@ngol08.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? This is why? Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:15:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.78.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-02.sprint.ca 928516397 149.99.78.226 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:13:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:13:17 EDT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18127 We believe Bumblebees are better pollinators for some clover crops From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 17:27:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7j92a8$iou$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990603164248.16426.00000090@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 04 17:27:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18128 In article <19990603164248.16426.00000090@ngol03.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Don't get me wrong I would love to make my own langstroth hive and I admire > anybody who does. Interesting. I could have sworn that you quite recently expressed your disdain for the Langstroth. But maybe here you mean "...I would love to have the woodworking skills requisite to constructing a Langstroth and admire anybody who does have such skills." Is that it? Wording does make a difference to perceived meaning, Jajwuth. And particular care is required when you are communicating in the context of previous arguments in which most everyone knows your position. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1999 18:50:33 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990604145033.16426.00000364@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18129 Do the top bars for the top bar hives sit on a ledge flush with top edge or do they sit on top of edge and over edge. I prefer to use an inside ledge but I think I read that there may be a problem with propolis attachment of top bar. I want to put them on a ledge since it is easier to make a cover for my hives. Material that I am thinking of using for my hives will be cardboard since it is easy to work with. I read that that cardboard covered with stucco or other material can last up to 30 yrs outdoors. . Thanks all From h.tait@home.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Subject: Re: plant buffet for bees Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:03:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928522981 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:03:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:03:01 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18130 Where on the planet are you. hugh Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com... > I have the following on property where I propose to put hives. The list is not > complete it is from recollection. I've made other comments as well > > > conifer trees -pine, spruce, balsam, cedar, etc > deciduous trees-popular, birch,some maple > shrubs-chokecherry (lots), other leafy type shrubs > other- wild strawberry , blackberry,raspberry,some blueberry > grasses in huge wetlands, bullrushes with some flowering wetland plants > some early and later wild flowers > wild plants like ferns, milkweed, golden rod.,iris > I don't see a great abundance of wildflowers > lots of green foilage type vegetation > some wild apple trees although about 3 miles down road > > only a small part of the total area is old homestead field.(about 3 acres) > (grasses and wild plants) > The soil is 3 inches of topsoil with underlying pure beach type sand > I want to plant something here and also to potentially help future hives > > Wild bees- early in spring I saw lots of bees flying low to ground and at > spruce trees. > Other times I saw lots of wasps and bumble bees and probably other bees I can't > identify. > Abundance of insects including black flies, mosquitos, deer flies, dragon > flies, grasshoppers at varying times etc > > above is not a complete list and I don't know what of above is honey bee > relevant or irrelevant > I should do some searching of archives on plants for bees > > I appreciate any comments that will help me sort this out and give direction. > > Thanks all From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:39:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 928539751 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:42:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:42:31 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18131 Seems I read somewhere years ago of a study done in northern Minnesota. Insulated vs. uninsulated. The insulated colonies had far more moisture problems, although I think all they tried was hay, felt paper and cardboard. The poly hives may be different. From cde049@airmail.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Saging comb in brood box Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:18:17 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 14 Message-ID: <68B337B251D67A07.A83A48BCA08390CE.4D3C661EAEA571D0@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7j9uom$u01@library1.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Jun 4 20:33:10 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !dF_k1k-X-\8L:2 (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18132 Typically here in Texas it has been in the 90's (both humidity and F. temp) all this week I went out this evening (the only time I have to work the bees) and the comb in my Deeps is all sagging and drooping to the bottom> I will stager the mediums above them (Three on one hive Two on the other) to improve ventilation but short of A/C is there anything else I should do? Looked through Keeping Bees, Hive Management, and The Beekeepers Handbook and didn't see any recommendations someone from south of the Mason Dixon line needs to write a beginning beekeepers book! The problems are different for us Sons of the Confederacy than they are for those in Mi. or N.Y. Cliff From allend@internode.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: top bars for top bar hives Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:28:16 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <000201beaef2$afd76480$02000003@allend> References: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4kV53.47117$75.35594@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Importance: Normal Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18133 > > Material that I am thinking of using for my hives will be > cardboard... We make temporary cardboard entrance reducers for our Langstroth hives by cutting a strip of corrugated box material 3" x 13-1/2" and then folding once lengthwise. We then just jam it sideways into the entrances. It fits any height of gap. The advantage? We don't have to guess when to remove them. The bees just chew them out when they think it is time. Why am I telling you this?... !,lenMJ From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jun 7 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saging comb in brood box Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jun 1999 02:31:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990604214850.08003.00001022@ng-fi1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990604223122.07910.00000765@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18134 Scrap plywood on top of the hives to give em shade will help. See a roofer they toss lots of plywood scrap. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms : The absolute minimum hive . Date: Sat, 05 Jun 99 04:18:01 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 91 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.101 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 05:16:31 GMT X-Trace: 928559791.131.11 KRFRRPH9I9865CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18135 Hi, This is an anecdote . When I was quite small, dad was going through a rough time in the logging business, and got interested in the bee hives that for the most part, were at the bottom of his list of "things to do". At that time, we had a stainless steel bucket, something to do with cattle, but I never did know what it was really for, but it was probably 12" in diameter, and 14" deep . It was laying propped against I don't remember what for years, and had a very slight gap, between the rim, and the ground . Well . Turned out, that the bees had not only settled into this stainless steel whatsit, but had it plumb full of comb, and bee colony . Dad guessed that they'd been in it for three years . He'd known that they were swarming, but the log truck needed repair, and that came first . By the time he had a spare moment for the bees, the swarm was gone . Brushing out, among the hives, he came across it again . Now folks, it's very fine, to argue amongst our own fine selves about what is THE BEST hive design, but for a temporary home, and even to winter them over, the truth is a LOT less complicated then the salesman at the farm store wants us to believe . So long as the only goal, is to keep the bees alive, and reasonably happy . Some poor sod, running across a swarm for the first time, and getting strange ideas about becoming a beekeeper might want to delay the college degree in bee business, till he can be reasonably assured that his lively and ambitious friends don't head for greener pastures . Wouldn't it make good sense, in a newsgroup like this, to write to those folks, that they need a water tight something, not less than about a square foot, preferably a bit more, that the bees can enter, and leave by a small opening ? And, really, that's all it takes, till the novice can go out and buy all the books we pawn off on him, to sell beekeeping INDUSTRY supplies . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/20/99 3:53PM, in message <374491f5.25400481@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, geoffkb@coldmail.com wrote: I've just moved to Fresno from England and want to start beekeeping again. How do I spread the word that I am able and willing to collect swarms in my area? Is there any sort of beekeeping association in the Fresno area? Geoff From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bars for top bar hives Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 13:13:04 GMT References: <000201beaef2$afd76480$02000003@allend> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990605091304.25592.00000367@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18136 Allan writes about cardboard: >We don't have to guess when to remove them. The bees >just chew them out when they think it is time. > >Why am I telling you this?... I get your point. I will reinforce holes for bees with metal eyelets so bees do not chew frayed perimeters of holes. Thanks for tip.From what I read one of the beauties of top bar hive movement is that you can experiment with materials. This leaves money to buy sting proof suit for beginner. From what I read I think they make cardboard langstoth type hives as a lower cost alternative to wood. My cardboard is hard pressed like wood. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Landscaping for Bees and Honey Production Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 1999 13:13:05 GMT References: <37561309.5E10@povn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990605091305.25592.00000368@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18137 Skip writes >The various herbs blended >with clover, or whatever else is available, makes the most interesting >honey, and marketed as "Herb & (whatever)" it sells like a charm. :-) >There may be an herb or two that doesn't produce good honey but if so, >we haven't run across them yet. :-) We utilize chives, borage, mint, >lavender, sage, catnip, basil and thyme. I'm not sure if tansy is >classified as an herb or just a plain ole weed, but *don't* plant it >under any circumstances. a. t. A. > Skip wrote quite an epistle on this topic . Included is the above which is quite interesting . I was wondering how much herbs would you have to plant to get an effect into honey. I f you plant exclusively sage would the medicinal qualities of sage get into the honey.Personally I use my own concoction of sage to get relief from canker mouth sores. From adamf@vt.edu Mon Jun 7 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: 6 Jun 1999 17:59:09 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18138 In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: > >I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when >the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. > Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From magic@spartanburg.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail From: "magic" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: water tight hive top Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:17:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.222.108.72 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 928707473 206.222.108.72 (Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:17:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:17:53 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18139 You don't have to be a sheet metal worker to have water tight hive tops. this new aluminum vapor barrier product installs in minutes, is self sealing and easy to install. 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Allow 2 wks. for shipping Send money order / cashiers check only no personal checks please From calin@ozemail.com.au Mon Jun 7 06:48:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuclgoing in to winter Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:00:32 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <375B19AF.385893FD@ozemail.com.au> References: <3757ba99.396059@news.newcastle.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 928713615 16330 203.63.79.234 (7 Jun 1999 00:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 00:00:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18140 Hope wrote: > Hi I have had my first nuc for severral monthes now and we are moving > into the Aussie winter. One problem you have in with this news group id the most contributors are >from the Northern Hemisphere where the winters are quite different from our own (wrong time of for a start). A lot of their advice (for wintering) will not apply to you. I keep my 2 hives in Sydney so my winter experience is closer to yours. We have a generous winter. The winter honey flow never stops completely so the bees are foraging the whole time. Some beekeepers get a good honey surplus during the winter. However the trees that provide this nectar do not provide useful pollen and the bees' nutrition can suffer badly. When we have trouble with honey flow it is mostly due to the lack of rain rather than cold temperature. In the autumn extraction I like to leave about 2 frames of stored honey as a winter reserve. I reduce my hives to 2 full depth boxes by end of April and leave them alone until August. I know some local beekeepers who say it is better to reduce the hive to only on box because it is easier for the bees to keep warm. I compromise by using 2 boxes with a inner cover between them. The inner cover has a whole (about 25mm diameter) in the middle. The bees can restrict themselves to just the lower box when the feel cold (the inner cover helps to retain the heat down low). In warmer days they have access to the upper box if they need it. The spring flow starts sooner than you think. Have you seen the wattles lately? Some of them are getting ready to flower. Wattle is not particularly good for bees but it illustrates the point the the winter (as most books from the north describe it) never really happens here. From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:26:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7jetph$oe7$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18141 adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >> >>I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when >>the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. >> >Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched >out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf If it was a laying worker she did a good job. The egg was attached to the cell by the end of the egg. If there was a laying worker present, why didn't I see any other eggs? And yes I did look :). Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jun 7 06:48:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plant buffet for bees Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1999 16:41:51 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990603124151.06547.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18142 I have the following on property where I propose to put hives. The list is not complete it is from recollection. I've made other comments as well conifer trees -pine, spruce, balsam, cedar, etc deciduous trees-popular, birch,some maple shrubs-chokecherry (lots), other leafy type shrubs other- wild strawberry , blackberry,raspberry,some blueberry grasses in huge wetlands, bullrushes with some flowering wetland plants some early and later wild flowers wild plants like ferns, milkweed, golden rod.,iris I don't see a great abundance of wildflowers lots of green foilage type vegetation some wild apple trees although about 3 miles down road only a small part of the total area is old homestead field.(about 3 acres) (grasses and wild plants) The soil is 3 inches of topsoil with underlying pure beach type sand I want to plant something here and also to potentially help future hives Wild bees- early in spring I saw lots of bees flying low to ground and at spruce trees. Other times I saw lots of wasps and bumble bees and probably other bees I can't identify. Abundance of insects including black flies, mosquitos, deer flies, dragon flies, grasshoppers at varying times etc above is not a complete list and I don't know what of above is honey bee relevant or irrelevant I should do some searching of archives on plants for bees I appreciate any comments that will help me sort this out and give direction. 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Att: Kevin McIntyre 265-16 Midlake Blvd, SE Calgary, Alberta Canada T2X 2X7 Bus: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 Email: wcbdc@home.com --------------87965D8E908189921E988B50 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kevin McIntyre Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kevin McIntyre n: McIntyre;Kevin org: Westcan Business Development Corp. adr: 265-16 Midlake Blvd. S.E.;;;Calgary;Alberta;T2X 2X7;Canada email;internet: wcbdc@home.com title: Financial Consultants tel;work: 1-(403) 201-7713 tel;fax: 1-(403) 201-7719 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------87965D8E908189921E988B50-- From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 7 06:48:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:57:23 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7jfgfk$mm9$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990606114444.06547.00000745@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.9 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928728372 23241 12.72.51.9 (7 Jun 1999 04:06:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 04:06:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18144 Sounds like you may be trying to conceal your hobby from the neighbors. I live in the city. Back yard is 30 x 40 ft and until yesterday I had 4 hives here. I move 2 to a friends 1 acre lot so I am back down to 2. Local laws allow for 2 hives and I think it is 55 ft from property line. Mine are about 2 ft in. All of our neighbors for several houses on all sides know we keep bees. I think you only reinforce peoples paranoia about bees if you are not open with them. Then they can't say something like "If your bees won't cause any problems, why did you try to hide them." Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990606114444.06547.00000745@ngol01.aol.com... > In article , "Anglin" Ellen > writes: > > >Find a rooftop location- Top of a garage or on a balcony- It keeps the bees > >up and out of peoples hair. TBH's look different enough from langstroths > >that people don't even know what they are if they see them. Stack a little > >wood on the lid and people will think it is a storage box full of firewood. > > > > What they don't know won't bug them- out of sight, out of mind! > > > >Ellen > > > Sounds like a good idea but if the neighbours see you in a beekeepers suit it > might tip them off. Maybe I could wear goggles only to protect eyes . I think > you right about top bar hives looking non descript. > > thanks > Jajwuth > From eric_cl@pacbell.net Tue Jun 8 06:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375BC212.A56ED83D@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:58:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 928760188 216.103.215.122 (Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:56:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:56:28 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18145 Jajwuth wrote: > (snip) > It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do > beekeeping in city?. Yes. This year I started five hives on the roof of a three story building in San Francisco. It is a dense residential area adjacent to a park. One neighbor spotted me with the veil on, waved, and gave me a thumbs up. We mentioned the bees to a couple moving in next door who turned out to be gardening enthusiasts. No problem there. The altitude of the hives keeps the local density of foragers very low on the street level. The main flyway is straight to the park at a 20-30 ft altitude. Earlier this season, I spent a couple weeks surveying the park and neighborhood for bees. I found two. Now I find bees at most every nectar source in the area. They may not all be mine, but I am satisfied that I've done my pollination duty. I also have distant apiaries, taking advantage of Bay Area micro climates, but I like having my bees close at hand. Find a situation comfortable for you and your neighbors. The bees will adapt to most anything. Good luck! Eric -- Eric K. Engelhard San Francisco, CA From war2@home.com Tue Jun 8 06:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: war2@home.com (Warren Ransom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Date: 7 Jun 1999 11:20:22 -0500 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <375be8dc.1212812337@news2.newscene.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18146 I am interested in starting a hive or two in the next few years and am beginning to start my due diligence. i was wondering if anyone could help me by pointing me in the right direction? i've gotten a few ideas about research material, books, periodicals, etc.. but does anyone know the best way to find out what the laws are in my area regarding beekeeping? i live in Fairfiled county Connecticut and have no idea whom to contact for information about what i can and cannot do in my area (are the applicable laws city, county, state, or federally mandated?) any pointers would be great. thanks! From taylaw@digizen.net Tue Jun 8 06:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.244 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:01:58 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <375C1726.AB64CA88@digizen.net> References: <375be8dc.1212812337@news2.newscene.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 928786061 103034 209.194.78.12 (7 Jun 1999 20:07:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 20:07:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18147 The Backyard Beekpers Association is in your area. Their web page is located at: http://www.fairfieldweb.com/byba/ Also... the Conn. State Apiarist is: Ms. Carol R. Lemmon Deputy State Entomologist Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station 123 Hunting Street P.O. Box 1106 New Haven, CT 06504 Phone: (203) 789 7236 Fax number: (203) 789 7232 She should be able to help you out. Good luck!! Warren Ransom wrote: > I am interested in starting a hive or two in the next few years and am > beginning to start my due diligence. i was wondering if anyone could > help me by pointing me in the right direction? > i've gotten a few ideas about research material, books, periodicals, > etc.. but does anyone know the best way to find out what the laws are > in my area regarding beekeeping? i live in Fairfiled county > Connecticut and have no idea whom to contact for information about > what i can and cannot do in my area (are the applicable laws city, > county, state, or federally mandated?) > any pointers would be great. thanks! From bobpursley@aol.com Tue Jun 8 06:25:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 21:02:29 GMT References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606170229.16425.00000747@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18148 In article <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) writes: > >product comes from the pine forests and is really a honey-dew (saccharide >exudation of the aphids that feed on pine needles). It is dark brownish in >colour with an accompanying strong taste and considered a great delicacy and >much relished. > >Seems indirect and rather technical. > >In the woods in early spring I saw a vast numbers of bees buzzing around >spruce >trees at the tips of branches. I didn't check the pines. > >Does that mean that conifer forests are contributors to honey production in >North America as well. > If you want to call it honey. From cardinf@tis.ch Tue Jun 8 06:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial03.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Date: 7 Jun 99 20:18:08 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01beb129$9253e620$LocalHost@default> References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18149 Jajwuth schrieb im Beitrag <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com>... > In a book entitled Honey for Health it describes a type of honey from Germany > as follows: > > product comes from the pine forests and is really a honey-dew (saccharide > exudation of the aphids that feed on pine needles). It is dark brownish in > colour with an accompanying strong taste and considered a great delicacy and > much relished. > > Seems indirect and rather technical. Despite it is rather correctly stated. I'm a hobby beekeeper in Europe, in an area at around 2000 ft altitude, where this type of honey usually is the major crop and, in certain years, can give very high yields. The basis are tiny insects (genus: psyllinae, coccinae, aphidae) which tap not only pine trees and spruce but e.g., oaks and certain other leaf-growing trees as well. A beekeeping dictionary lists 58 species of such insects which are producers of 'Honigtau' (honeydew) which then is eagerly collected by ants, bees and other insects. One Hektar (about 3 acres) of spruce is estimated to produce as much as 1400 pounds of honey! This dark brown to greenish honey has a strong flavor, think of something like a very concentrate maple syrup with a flavor of pine needles. The highly complex and interdependent life cycles of all the insects involved in the production of 'Honigtauwaldtracht' (forest honey) are worth of further study and cannot be explained here. But if you are suspicous of honeydew in your area place a few white sheets of paper under the tree and check it after a few hours: if it is speckled with small, sticky, droplets bring in your bees! Full buckets! francis From bek@e-postboks.dk Tue Jun 8 06:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news100.image.dk!news030.image.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bernd Kuemmel" Subject: Willow-Pollen and Honeybee Build-up during spring ? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: privat Message-ID: <01beb135$fcdede80$2e4636d4@bek> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:34:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.54.75.137 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@image.dk X-Trace: news030.image.dk 928794897 212.54.75.137 (Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:34:57 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:34:57 MET DST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18150 Dear Reader I am currently investigating the following, unfortunately very difficult, questions: 1. If I have short-rotation coppicing (SRC) willow that is harvested every 2 to 4 years, what is the amount of pollen that male willow plants would produce during early spring (like grams per flower per day and how many flowering days can I count on)? 2. How much of this pollen could be harvested by bee families? 3. If I increase the share of SRC willow from 0 to 5% (or 10%) of a 1 square kilometre (c. .35 sq miles) area, how much would this extra pollen during spring mean for the build-up of the bee family (like in how much would its size [=number bees in %] be enlarged)? 4. What would this better start during spring mean for the summer honey production? I especially need information on question 1. I would especially appreciate guidance to literature, or also IN, references. Thank you in advance. Bernd Kuemmel From harrisonrw@aol.com Tue Jun 8 06:26:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 02:48:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375be8dc.1212812337@news2.newscene.com> Message-ID: <19990607224807.07139.00001874@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18151 >Subject: Interested in starting a colony - where do i get info? Hi Warren, Let me invite you to a meeting of the Western CT Beekeepers Association. We meet the third Thursday of each month in (June 17th) Bethel, CT. This will be our last meeting until September. If you care to send me your mailing address I will send you a information package on starting beekeeping in CT and a copy of our newsletter due out next week.. Regards, Ralph Harrison Secretary Western CT Beekeepers Association From agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jun 8 06:26:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") Subject: Re: glove recommendation Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <3759cbeb.10147052@news.usit.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:54:40 GMT Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18152 > NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.150.76 > They really love to sting ankles with thin black socks. Stings on ackles are the worst ; maybe no veil ; maybe no gloves : but NEVER no rubber boots. Michael From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:13:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jio3u$m41$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18153 carl wrote: >I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know >how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? It sounds like your going as a yellow jacket! >How many legs do I need 6 > do I need 4 or 2 wings, 4 >and does my sting have a point or is hooked? Barbed point You also need a long tounge that will cause every woman in the place to want a date with you! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newscon04!prodigy.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 15:26:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> Message-ID: <19990608112616.23242.00001908@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18154 From: carl >I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know >how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? You are hitting a sore point with beekeepers. Your image of a bee is actually a yellow jacket, and we don't like being blamed for what yellow jackets do. Bees are not yellow and black. Bees are more muted in color, and quite fuzzy, at least when young. The traditional Italian bee has three bands, altho this varies. There's a photo of one, sitting on my finger, on Jan's page: http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From sgreb@ionet.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stacey or Steven Greb" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Novice beekeeper Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:48:42 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7jcr17$ek$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lawnas2-45.ionet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18155 I need some help and advice. I started a hive with package bees this spring. I have (or maybe had) a new queen and everything. All has gone well until recently when the hive started to cluster outside the brood chamber. I suspected that I needed to add a second brood chamber for additional room, but also thought the hive needed more ventilation. At first I prompt up the hive to give the colony more ventilation, then began preparing a second chamber with racks and starter, etc. I took the opportunity to inspect the hive. The first thing I notice was that the hive had created at least a dozen queen cell. Therefore, I suspected that the queen had died and they were trying to replace her or that the hive was preparing to split and swarm (supersedure). Second, there also seemed be a lot of drone cells. Finally, I never could find the queen after two searches on separate days. What are the chances that my new, young queen has died and that I now need to replace her?? Any advise or comments are welcome. Steve in Oklahoma. From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 11:51:37 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18156 Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. This makes it impossible to set up on your own postage stamp size home lot.. I've heard where beekeepers have approached companies and asked them if they could set up hives on their property. Particularly if it is backing on wild property. Also I notice that there is lots of commercial lots standing empty with chain link fences surrounding them. They tear down all structures on lot and let lot stand empty to pay no business and less property tax. Lot is held for future development purposes. This type of property would be perfect. I could find out who owns it but it would probably be a shot out of hell that man would let me set up a string of top bar hives. It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do beekeeping in city?. From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 1999 15:44:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990606114444.06547.00000745@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18157 In article , "Anglin" Ellen writes: >Find a rooftop location- Top of a garage or on a balcony- It keeps the bees >up and out of peoples hair. TBH's look different enough from langstroths >that people don't even know what they are if they see them. Stack a little >wood on the lid and people will think it is a storage box full of firewood. > > What they don't know won't bug them- out of sight, out of mind! > >Ellen > Sounds like a good idea but if the neighbours see you in a beekeepers suit it might tip them off. Maybe I could wear goggles only to protect eyes . I think you right about top bar hives looking non descript. thanks Jajwuth From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 15:10:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990608085030.16427.00001282@ngol03.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18158 >Could somebody please explain the ventilation process in a properly c Well this is one of the miracles of a bee hive. Yes they do seal the cracks, to keep out the hot air !!! the bees line up and fan in one direction, literraly walls of bees fanning in one direction other bees block the center areas so that there is literally a huge flow of air coming in and going out. bees collect water bringing it into the hive so that as the air flows over the water it evaporates cooling the hive. On a hot summer afternoon you can really hear the air conditioning running from about 5 feet away. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 8 22:17:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1999 18:15:55 GMT References: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18159 Another question, what is your advice on painting the inside of the hive? Could it effect the products (honey, bees wax etc) of the hive? I would like to coat the inside of my hive with something to extend it's life. thanks Al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:07:14 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <19990608085030.16427.00001282@ngol03.aol.com> <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:05:30 GMT X-Trace: 928872330.512.57 KRFRRPH9I989FCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18160 Hi, What is a hot summer afternoon ? For that matter, what is hot ? For that matter, what is "not raining" ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/8/99 8:10AM, in message <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >Could somebody please explain the ventilation process in a properly c Well this is one of the miracles of a bee hive. Yes they do seal the cracks, to keep out the hot air !!! the bees line up and fan in one direction, literraly walls of bees fanning in one direction other bees block the center areas so that there is literally a huge flow of air coming in and going out. bees collect water bringing it into the hive so that as the air flows over the water it evaporates cooling the hive. On a hot summer afternoon you can really hear the air conditioning running from about 5 feet away. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:03:13 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7jk0a4$6m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.174 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928875652 6855 12.72.43.174 (8 Jun 1999 21:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 21:00:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18161 Jajwuth, Take a look here, it will answer some of your questions: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/Beeinfoindex.html While you are at it, the whole site is worth exploring. Home is at: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/index.html -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com... > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. This > makes it impossible to set up on your own postage stamp size home lot.. I've > heard where beekeepers have approached companies and asked them if they could > set up hives on their property. Particularly if it is backing on wild property. > Also I notice that there is lots of commercial lots standing empty with chain > link fences surrounding them. They tear down all structures on lot and let > lot stand empty to pay no business and less property tax. Lot is held for > future development purposes. This type of property would be perfect. I could > find out who owns it but it would probably be a shot out of hell that man > would let me set up a string of top bar hives. > > It would be nice to do beekeeping close to home. Does anybody else do > beekeeping in city?. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:07:20 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:05:36 GMT X-Trace: 928872336.302.80 KRFRRPH9I989FCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18162 Hi, Also, the front wings can be hooked to the back wings for the maximum surface in flight, or unhooked for landing, and walking . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/8/99 1:07AM, in message <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com>, carl wrote: I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? Thanks in advance p.s. How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have a point or is hooked? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 8 22:17:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:07:27 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> <19990606170229.16425.00000747@ngol03.aol.com> <7ji4ej$a4v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:05:43 GMT X-Trace: 928872343.543.61 KRFRRPH9I989FCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18163 Hi, You can sell anything, if you call it rare, and expensive . Raw fish eggs . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Though, in this case, that fruit Bee-consume' sounds too good to pass up, to me . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/7/99 8:59PM, in message <7ji4ej$a4v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) wrote: > If you want to call it honey. What else would you call it? The bees collected a naturally occuring source of sweetness and, having treated with their enzymes, stored it in condensed liquid form. In addition to honeydew honey, which has a long and venerable history, you will find other kinds of non-nectar-based honeys, as, for example, this honey listed on Jan's Sweetness and Light webpage : <> If the bees "call" it honey, perhaps it is. Whether or not you like it or can find a large contemporary American market for it is another question altogether. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jun 8 22:17:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:17:21 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7jk38u$9ne$2@front5.grolier.fr> References: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-9.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 928878686 9966 194.158.120.9 (8 Jun 1999 21:51:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 21:51:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18164 Hi, I would never paint the inside, bees will take care by propolizing everywhere that is a perfect sanitized protective coating. Jajwuth a écrit dans le message : 19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com... > Another question, what is your advice on painting the inside of the hive? > Could it effect the products (honey, bees wax etc) of the hive? I would like to > coat the inside of my hive with something to extend it's life. > > thanks > Al From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Tue Jun 8 22:17:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs or packages Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:48:00 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18165 My family was in the beekeeping business for about 15 years over a decade ago. I am currently looking at getting back into the business. Most of the starter information I have read suggest going with packages instead of nucs. I am lined up to recieve a few nucs in a week or so. Can someone please explain why the packages over nucs, seem to be most recommended for starters? thankyou, Mark Veltman From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jun 8 22:17:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:27:46 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7jk5gh$pfi$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990608111006.24734.00002236@ng-ce1.aol.com> <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.226.31 X-Trace: 928880977 1NNUCNF1GE21FC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18166 Jajwuth My bees insisted on anaglypta wallpaper in a muted shade of blue. They reckoned it made the hive cooler looking on a hot day and they could run upstairs easily on the embossed design. Chris Jajwuth wrote in message <19990608141555.06546.00001126@ngol01.aol.com>... >Another question, what is your advice on painting the inside of the hive? >Could it effect the products (honey, bees wax etc) of the hive? 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That sounds like an F 1-11. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bayvarol and swarms Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:45:17 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <7jduig$1j2$1@usenet.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928739125 nnrp-13:16642 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18169 In article <7jduig$1j2$1@usenet.bham.ac.uk>, John E. Fox writes >Has anyone had any experience with Bayvarol and a possible reduction >in the number of swarms? > >John Fox > > >****************************************************************** >Alta Bioscience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk >School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 >The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 >Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK http://www.bham.ac.uk/Alta_Bioscience In cases where bayvarol (or similar) is _not_ used _and_ the colony is weakened by varroa, then is unlikely that they will be too interested in swarming. -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Secretary Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK From picdisc@ozemail.com.au Thu Jun 10 13:27:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "cad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:05:12 +1200 Organization: Customer of Telecom Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7jg25l$387o0$1@titan.xtra.co.nz> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202-27-177-129.dialup.xtra.co.nz X-Trace: titan.xtra.co.nz 928746485 3415808 202.27.177.129 (7 Jun 1999 09:08:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xtra.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 09:08:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18170 When you hive the swarm, do it in the late afternoon, and try not to stir them up too much. I understand when you say that the bees crawl over you. The danger there is that when it gets dark, it's harder to see the bees, and they crawl everywhere. I found the best way around this is to get one of those bee-proof suits, they work like a gem, but you have to wash them, otherwise they go mouldy. When you get the swarm, if you can put in a few frames of brood from another hive (making sure of course that you don't take the queen with you from the other hive. I've done this before and had two crazy hives). What will happen is, which is normal, 2/3 of the bees will go back to the old hive. The only way around this is to put a few frames of capped brood as I said above. This brood will hatch out in a few days and increase the population in the hive, increasing its chance of survival. With swarms you have to be careful that they don't swarm again. Basically they are like people if they don't like their environment, they will go elsewhere (i.e swarm again). So if you make their new hive as comfortable as possible, they should say and create a healthy, strong and productive hive. Some of my best productive hives are from swarms. Its basically natures way of natural selection, i.e. only the strong survive. You probably then should allow the hive a week to settle in, before opening them up to check on them. By that time they should have settled, and started building up more wax comb, and the swarm queens should have started laying eggs. -- Regards, ---- Chad Rowe ---- ChadRowe.com - Business consultants http://chadrowe.com/ support@chadrowe.com JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com... > Is it better not to hive swarms at night? When I did, it seemed like the bees > that didn't make it in the box couldn't find the hive. > Sadly, I didn't do a good job of hiving the swarm and 2/3s didn't make it in > the box. They all just kind of mulled in little clumps scattered around the > hive. There are angry bees everywhere at my in-laws place right now. > I also found out bees at night can be a lot more dangerous because they don't > fly so much as they crawl. They were crawling all over me. They quickly got > underneath the pant cuffs of my bee suit and were crawling up my legs. Ugggh! > I don't recollect any book I've read recommending a preferred time of day to > hive a swarm. Any advice? From support@chadrowe.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Chad Rowe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need advice on captured swarm Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:17:29 +1200 Organization: ChadRowe.com Business Consultants Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7jg2sl$38jt5$1@titan.xtra.co.nz> References: <7iqg72$5sg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "Chad Rowe" NNTP-Posting-Host: 202-27-177-129.dialup.xtra.co.nz X-Trace: titan.xtra.co.nz 928747221 3428261 202.27.177.129 (7 Jun 1999 09:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xtra.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 09:20:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18171 I think re-combining the swarm with the original colony is the best option. You could set it up in a new hive, but what you would have then is two small hives. In my experience one strong hive will produce more honey than two small ones. Also it would be in a better position to survive through the winter, if it was stronger. So if your after a good honey production, combine the swarm. If you want two new hives, don't combine them, but it's unlikely that you will get much honey from the two smaller hives. When you combine them, you can put the box containing the swarm on top of the original colony, separting them with a sheet of paper with a few holes punched in it. This will ensure that they inter-mingle without too much disturbance. If there is a new queen in the original colony the swarm queen and the new queen will fight it out, and the strongest queen will survive. Also with the empty hive body next to the original hive. In my experience, I've never had a swarm move into a empty hive. They always seem to go it alone in a tree, on a fence, or somewhere else. With your empty hive you probably should put it away so the wax moths or other bugs get into it and ruin your frames. -- Regards, ---- Chad Rowe ---- ChadRowe.com - Business consultants http://chadrowe.com/support/ support@chadrowe.com KJ wrote in message news:7iqg72$5sg$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Last year I started a colony from a captured > swarm. I thought I'd see what the native queen > was like, so I didn't requeen. > > A week ago, (just before I left on a one week > trip), I caught the hive in the act of swarming. I > recaptured the swarm, and set it up in a new > hive body with drawn comb. > > I'd like to get some honey this year, and go into > winter with a strong hive, so I'm thinking it > would be best to recombine the swarm with the > original colony. > > 1) Is this a wise move? > > 2) Should I kill the virgin, or the original queen > (which I assume is the one in the swarm)? > > One final question: At the time the hive swarmed, > there was an unoccuppied hive body, with drawn > comb, sitting right next to the hive which > swarmed. (This was from a hive which did not make > it through the winter.) Was it neccessary for me > to capture the swarm, or is it reasonable to > assume that the swarm would have settled in this > body anyway? > > Thanks for any advice, > > Kelly > Hillsboro, OR > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 1999 03:33:35 GMT References: <7jk0a4$6m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608233335.22539.00001397@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18172 George Styer writes: >Jajwuth, > >Take a look here, it will answer some of your questions: > >http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/Beeinfoindex.html Thanks for the reference, so far I've given it a brief once over I noticed it had a nice write up on beekeeping in bear country. regards Al From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 1999 03:33:36 GMT References: <7jk38u$9ne$2@front5.grolier.fr> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608233336.22539.00001398@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18173 In article <7jk38u$9ne$2@front5.grolier.fr>, "apipop" writes: >Hi, >I would never paint the inside, bees will take care by propolizing everywhere >that is a >perfect sanitized protective coating. I will be using a self constructed top bar hive and I was wondering if the bees would still propolize the interior since there is a fair amount of open space within the hive. I wanted to extend the life of the material because it is cardboard. regards al From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jun 1999 04:25:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375696B4.F50F154F@riverace.com> Message-ID: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18174 I read some advice in this group about waiting until the bees were drawing comb on 9 or 10 frames and followed it (This is my 1st year too). My hive of Carniolans swarmed after starting on 8 frames. As I look at the frames now, I can see that they had clearly become honey-bound across the tops of the frames. I think this advice about watching for honey must be significant, and it is more important to add a 2nd super than to wait (if you don't want your hive to swarm). Though I did add a 2nd super to stymie the swarm impulse, the super was full of undrawn Plasticel with no beeswax coating on it. I'm not sure the bees were able to see past the honey barrier. The hive of Carniolans next to it that I supered with Duragilt (plastic covered with beeswax) did not swarm, and is rapidly filling the super. I suspect they smelled the beeswax and it drew them to work the Duragilt foundation, thereby suppressing the swarm impulse. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jun 10 13:27:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jun 1999 10:54:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18175 When you add the 2nd brood chamber of undrawn foundation move a drawn frame up into it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:32:20 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:35:22 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18176 Also, what are the perils of adding the second super too early? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:31:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990609002538.29269.00002161@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:34:57 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18177 In article <19990609065440.03074.00002484@ng-bg1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > When you add the 2nd brood chamber of undrawn foundation move a drawn frame up > into it. > Interesting... drawn, but with no brood, right? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:30:33 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> <7jk0a4$6m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:33:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18178 > > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. Are you sure this is the law? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 1999 15:28:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609112854.17310.00001200@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18179 (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. > > >Are you sure this is the law? > actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a fine of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. Al From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:00:14 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jh4nc$m87$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> <7jg25l$387o0$1@titan.xtra.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.122 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928781868 22791 12.72.41.122 (7 Jun 1999 18:57:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 1999 18:57:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18180 This is very confusing. Are you saying that when you hive a swarm (that has left from a parent colony) that 2/3 will return to the parent colony? If you are talking about a split, then yes, the foragers will return to the old location, but a swarm "forgets" very soon. If they didn't, it would not make for a very good survival strategy if 2/3 of the reproductive unit returned to the parent. Please clarify. I reread the original question and it was cearly a swarm that was asked about. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail cad wrote in message news:7jg25l$387o0$1@titan.xtra.co.nz... > When you get the swarm, if you can put in a few frames of brood from another > hive (making sure of course that you don't take the queen with you from the > other hive. I've done this before and had two crazy hives). What will > happen is, which is normal, 2/3 of the bees will go back to the old hive. From b-m-karl@whidbey.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Billy E. Karlinsey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen replacer candy ? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:58:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <928952198.755.38@news.remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.12.120.179 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:16:38 GMT X-Trace: 928952198.755.38 K5UVNLILW78B3CF0CC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18181 If there no other water around a chicken watering can is a good idea, but add a lot of rocks it so the bees have a place to land or climb onto if they fall in to the water, that way it will reduce the drowned bees. Bill Real Name: wrote in message news:N.052799.131324.03@i-link-2.net... > Hi, > > Looked in on the bees, yesterday, > and my not so bright idea about using > an old chicken watering whatsit, to > feed pollen replacer turned out to be > full to the brim, with drunk, > and drowned bees . > > One idea down the tubes . > > What about making candy out of sugar, > and pollen replacer ? > > They've plenty of water(Washington > State) . > > Would this work ? > > What mixtures would make good > sense ? > > Ken . > > > > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 5/26/99 6:13PM, in message > <374C9C1F.4C01C4C7@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose > wrote: > > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > I use 1 for 1 by volume. > > I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture > to boiling and let boil for > > 5 minutes. > > > > This is a simple sugar, used in canning and > feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT > > crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do > not ferment as quickly. As > > for some evaporation......If you don't tell the > bees, they won't know. > > > > Laura > > greetings, > > for some reason, my news server did not show the > original post of this thread. > since the question has already been answered several > times by others ["don't cook > it, just dissolve it"], i will only point out that > this thread should not be > allowed to get too long or contain too many > references to ratios and weight v.s. > volume calculations. otherwise, aaron will become > apoplectic. ;) > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive ventilation Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1999 12:50:30 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990608085030.16427.00001282@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18182 Could somebody please explain the ventilation process in a properly constructed hive. Seems to me that the bees try to seal everything up with propolis. Should there be ventilation holes in roof edge and floor to allow air circulation. The analogy I'm thinking of is a building a house without proper ventilation. I know the bees fan to reduce heat. Again with the analogy of a house without proper ventilation could there be a moisture problems within the hive. I'm building my own hives. Thanks Al From g.mcclure@usxchange.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "g.mcclure" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm lures Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:11:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <928966353.371.95@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.47.227.140 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:12:33 GMT X-Trace: 928966353.371.95 MI9QTOWEUE38CD82FC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18183 i have seen some information on swarm traps or lures to capture wild bees and was wondering if they work? i like the idea of collecting wild bees too build my colonies and save money on packaged bees. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jun 10 13:27:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding second brood chamber? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jun 1999 22:23:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990609182332.01580.00001289@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18184 Generally you dont split up the brood area especially if the weather is cool and the hive is not strongly populated. Once summer rolls around there is probably no real downside to adding the next brood chamber early but in cold weather it will slow the hive down. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small plastic tubs. Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:52:26 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928918851 nnrp-09:2638 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18185 Can anyone point me to a UK supplier of plastic tubs to hold beewax handcream. About 50/60g and/or 125g sizes. A pensioner member wants to buy small quantities (200-300). I know the bee suppliers sell them at about 40p each, but he thinks that may make his cream too expensive. Thank you. -- Tom Speight From adamf@vt.edu Thu Jun 10 13:27:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: 9 Jun 1999 06:53:08 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7jl30k$24j$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> <7jetph$oe7$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18186 In article <7jetph$oe7$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: > >If it was a laying worker she did a good job. The egg was >attached to the cell by the end of the egg. If there was a >laying worker present, why didn't I see any other eggs? Workers lay eggs. Probably up to 5%. The typical laying-worker brood one sees is made by more than one laying-worker. Hence the angle of the eggs and the number per cell. I've seen newly mated queens however, ready to roll, with only nuc bees attending them, lay a pattern where the eggs look like a "laying-worker". Why only one egg? Good question. Why do some workers' ovaries begin to produce eggs while others do not? I don't know. If the eggs you saw were diploid (queen eggs= fertilized) then they'd make a queen. Someone needs to rear and hatch out some eggs like the ones you describe, and see if they become queens or very small drones, or are killed, which would mean that they were also haploid= non-fertilized, and from a laying worker. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ttownsen@telusplanet.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED.MISMATCH!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375F1807.179E4D4F@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liquid smoke References: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990516234015.11104.00001492@ng-fr1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:42:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.201.168 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 928978932 161.184.201.168 (Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:42:12 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:42:12 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18187 > > Just tried the stuff today. It worked OK. I had some bees buzzing around me > and the hive, I sprayed some Liquid Smoke in the air and they seemed to settle > down.Think I like this more, no smoker to light, don't need to carry extra > fuel, don't need to keep the smoker going. > > Jeffery E Reader > > Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend Jeff; You might want to try a spritz bottle with water a few drops of peppermint oil mixed in, it works as well as the liquid smoke, smells better, and costs less. Tim Townsend From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:41:23 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609204123.17311.00001305@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18188 previous chat >> (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >> >> >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up >hive. >> > >> > >> >Are you sure this is the law? >> > >> actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a >fine >> of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. >> > >Wow. Interesting. Where do you live? > >-- In asking me that you are forgetting about the potential fine for non compliance. My opinion is that It is best to operate within the rules after all isn't the rules that say that your hives are private property while on someone else's land. The rules also I believe make a swarm from a hive public domain. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:50:52 GMT References: <7jk5gh$pfi$1@gxsn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609205052.17311.00001307@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18189 In article <7jk5gh$pfi$1@gxsn.com>, "Christopher Dainton" writes: >jajwuth >My bees insisted on anaglypta wallpaper in a muted shade of blue. They >reckoned it made the hive cooler looking on a hot day and they could run >upstairs easily on the embossed design. >Chris anaglypta wallpaper eh? seems they have asked for a kind wallpaper I wasn't aware of. do the bees glue it on with that propolis stuff. there is no second story to my hive so I'll forgo the embossed design Al From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-47.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:00:27 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Message-ID: References: <19990609204123.17311.00001305@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.2f X-Server-Date: 10 Jun 1999 03:01:10 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18190 In article <19990609204123.17311.00001305@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > previous chat > >> (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > >> > >> >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up > >hive. > >> > > >> > > >> >Are you sure this is the law? > >> > > >> actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a > >fine > >> of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. > >> > > > >Wow. Interesting. Where do you live? > > > >-- > In asking me that you are forgetting about the potential fine for non > compliance. Sowwy... I didn't realize you alread had a non-compliant hive. Are you in the US -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 03:35:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990609233520.06545.00001829@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18191 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >Sowwy... I didn't realize you alread had a non-compliant hive. > >Are you in the US > That is a definitely a wrong conclusion. By the way in a rural setting it is 10 meters within a property line. There is lots of ways you can be technically non compliant in beekeeping. Even the design of the hive itself can be non compliant in some locales.I assume the authorities ask you to correct the situation before they come down on you like a ton of bricks. That should end this dialog.. From ajh@home.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "RABM" Subject: starting a new colony Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: ussun6f-ext.glaxowellcome.com/192.58.204.121 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 928988633150 Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:24:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 928988640 216.200.3.205 (Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:24:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:24:00 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18192 I have observed a queen cell developing in the older of two brood boxes. How can I take advantage of this new queen to create a new colony? This is my first year at this facinating adventure. Thanks for your expertise. Bruce -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From BJ@nospam.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> From: NewBeekeeper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Assembling Frames? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:08:24 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.9.79 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 928991141 216.26.9.79 (Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:05:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:05:41 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18193 I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked - down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do I - assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti cell). I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down - the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get - damaged? Any infor appreciated! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-47.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:16:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <19990609233520.06545.00001829@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.2f X-Server-Date: 10 Jun 1999 04:18:47 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18194 In article <19990609233520.06545.00001829@ngol01.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > In article , > HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > > >Sowwy... I didn't realize you alread had a non-compliant hive. > > > >Are you in the US > > > > That is a definitely a wrong conclusion. By the way in a rural setting it is > 10 meters within a property line. There is lots of ways you can be technically > non compliant in beekeeping. Even the design of the hive itself can be non > compliant in some locales.I assume the authorities ask you to correct the > situation before they come down on you like a ton of bricks. > That should end this dialog.. Hell, what did I step into this time... What I MEANT was... who ever said he would get fined apparently didn't want to say where he's located. I'm curious if this kind of law exists in the US. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Jun 10 13:27:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 07:26:40 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.156 X-Trace: 929003090 Y.AP37JYI989CCE81C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18196 Hi, I've got my bees in new equipment . But I spent our few sunny days recently, getting dad's old hives ready to go again . And they were old, when he bought them used . If the bees are in them, there's a preservative effect . Glues, the real experts have to tell you about, but I've always heard that you've got to be careful about poisoning the bees . I don't always use glue, but I have, and can't tell the difference . The only thing I can suggest, is to get plenty of equipment in advance of needing it . And, if you're using the frames with the nailed in strip, leave a stub of the nail sticking out, to remove it someday . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/9/99 10:08PM, in message <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com>, NewBeekeeper wrote: I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked - down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do I - assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti cell). I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down - the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get - damaged? Any infor appreciated! From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper-direct honey Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:10:28 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7jodjn$nu2$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990610090502.16428.00001641@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.139.93 X-Trace: 929020343 1NNUCNF1G8B5DC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18197 Al You can have some of mine if you like There is a 14 oz sample on the shelf in the garage but I am not sure about the regulations going across oceans etc. Chris Jajwuth wrote in message <19990610090502.16428.00001641@ngol03.aol.com>... >Do any of you beekeepers have honey for sale or barter ? >I have to buy my honey from a retail store and I would prefer to buy it direct. >I would also like to try different types. >I'm not sure of the regulations going across borders etc. > >Al From hamilton@pbssite.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <375fb7b2.225085875@news3.usenetserver.com> References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:07:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 929020357 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:12:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:12:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18198 Just nails two down from the top bar on each end .. two up from the bottom bar on each end and the most important nail is one from each side into top bar, diagonally upward. This is the "usual" way. I know people with nail guns will put all the nails in from the side bars, through the little tabs into the top and bottom bars, horizontally. If you tried this with a hammer you would split a bunch of tabs open. When you nail the split rail back in .. it is a good idea to leave the 5/8" nails stick out a bit so you can pull them to replace foundation. Dave On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:08:24 -0700, NewBeekeeper wrote: > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked >- down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do >I >- assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti >cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down >- the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get >- damaged? > >Any infor appreciated! > From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper-direct honey Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 14:15:21 GMT References: <7jodjn$nu2$1@gxsn.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610101521.06545.00001907@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18199 "Christopher Dainton" writes: >Al >You can have some of mine if you like >There is a 14 oz sample on the shelf in the garage >but I am not sure about the regulations going across oceans etc. >Chris Is the honey in a solitary bottle next to paint cans, oil cans etc. In my mind I'm picturing my own garage. I think I'll pass. Thanks any way. Somebody sent me an e mail telling me to cease with the chatter, as though there is no human side to beekeeping.. Others do it like yourself, in fact in what I think they call a thread there was quite a few messages from some of the old boys in the group about toilet tissue. Al From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:21:32 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.139.93 X-Trace: 929021007 1NNUCNF1G8B5DC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18200 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com>... >Hello all > >I've used snelgrove boards for the first time for years >Can someone remind me of the procedure to unite top brood with new queen to >bottom brood with old queen >Can I just K.O. the old queen and remove the snelgrove? > PS. What no replies to date? (2nd posting) Is it perhaps called a demaree board? It's the board with the 'open' and 'close' entrances My literature has no refernce to this method of swarm/queen rearing >thanks >Chris > > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jun 10 13:27:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 15:17:57 GMT References: <375F70EF.F0CEF9E1@gw.ford.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610111757.01162.00000118@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18201 Seems like some slack-jawed, Beavis-and-Butthead character has wandered into the group. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Thu Jun 10 13:27:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:57:33 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jnr8v$ml3$1@gxsn.com> References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.161.53 X-Trace: 929001567 1NNUCNF1GA135C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18202 Welcome to beekeeping Nail only! They will last for yonks If you are using wedge top bar (rather than sawcut) fix the foundation using a couple of 'horizontal' nails (when frame is upright) It will be easier to pop it out with a screwdriver when you are getting rid of old drawn comb Some people put a nail thro' the centre of the bottom rail to hold foundation but I avoid this. It makes it harder to clean up frame when renewing foundation Chris NewBeekeeper wrote in message <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com>... > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked >- down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do >I >- assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti >cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down >- the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get >- damaged? > >Any infor appreciated! > From post@sciseek.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <375FDCFF.BFC2D441@sciseek.com> From: "Magnolia Scientific Services, Inc." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE Science and Nature Resource! 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I put a frame filled with brood of all ages and lots of eggs into the middle of the bottom deep. Much to my delight, one side of the frame was almost completely filled with eggs laid in a good pattern. The parts that were previously eggs only, are capped. I saw the queen on an adjascent frame. The hive has settled down quite a bit and seems to be doing nicely. Thnks to pollinator for his helpful advice. Only one thing that I am curious about. Given the time required for a queen to be raised from an egg and get mated, things just don't add up. If a queen can only be raised from a less than 3 day old egg, and then takes about a week to get mated and start laying, that means that the queen is laying a week early. Or could there have been a virgin queen in the colony that I missed during inspections and that was why my attempts to introduce failed? The weather has been very wet and cold for this time of year, so maybe it took longer than normal for the hypothetical "hidden virgin" to get mated. Does this sound plausible? Thanks, Scott Eby Kenmore, Wash. From agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:57:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: agenb@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Micheal Hurley") Subject: Re: top bar hive plans Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:54:47 GMT Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18205 > Article: 15846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Path: > cix.compulink.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!ayres.ftech.net!ne > ws.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed. > cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-f > or-mail > From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: top bar hive plans > NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com > X-Admin: news@aol.com > Date: 5 Jun 1999 15:47:48 GMT > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > References: <19990604152259.23075.00000339@ngol04.aol.com> > Message-ID: <19990605114748.07145.00000761@ng-ci1.aol.com> > Lines: 9 > > I have the skills and the tools (Powermatic 66 and, INCA 250 table > saws, two > each radial arm saws, bandsaws, and almost as many routers as Norm > Abrhams, > etc.), and even if I figure my time at $0, I can't buy the lumber for > what I > can buy Langstroth-style woodware. If you are building bee equipment > in your > wood shop, it's for the pleasure of woodworking, not any cost savings. > > Ron Bennett > Luckiamute Bee > Wood must cost a lot !!. Michael There are only 24 hours in the day and 7 days in the week. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 19:08:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610150832.07645.00000140@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18206 >i, > > What is a hot summer afternoon ? > > For that matter, what is hot ? > > For that matter, what is "not raining" ? > >Ken . its when its 99.8 in the shade, not raining is what its been doing here for about 5 weeks queens stopped laying, dead bees and drones infront of every hive, forcast is for no rain through next week. animals cant get to the pond for all the bees Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did the ladies leave me? Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <37600faa.247605765@news3.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:23:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 929042915 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:28:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:28:35 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18207 One of my hives (just started from a nuc this year) has lots of bees so someone has been laying. Started on foundation and its all pulled out so everything seems good except I just noticed no capped brood or larva/eggs. The others started the same day have the bottom box full of brood. Do I assume the queen left with some bees (swarmed) and I missed it? I don't see any swarm cells or emerency queen cells, open or closed. I don't see a significant number of drones. Ideas, I'll tear apart tonight and see if I can find a queen. Dave From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:06:09 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18208 Would I be right in saying that the bees generally confine there activities to the frames within langstroth hive because of the full foundation being present.There is also the principle of bee space in design of the hive. If there was only a frame with a starter strip then the bees would likely build a crescent shape comb within the frame Would a langstroth hive without full foundations (only starter strip) within its frames be in reality like a top bar hive.Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. Al. From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Sat Jun 12 22:57:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:17:19 -0400 Lines: 14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <37601ea7.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 10 Jun 1999 15:23:03 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18209 I remember seeing a chart where a couple of 2x4's are nailed and it takes a few pounds of pressure to break them apart. But using glue it was thousands of pounds. In fact they refered to the nails as simply clamps, it's the glue that does all the work. Since then I always glue and nail the supers, bottom boards and cover. On the frames I only glue the side rails to the top and bottom bar and nail them as well. It adds a little more time but I think it will hold up better over time. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From mather1@gw.ford.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu.MISMATCH!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: GRIM REAPER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:01:51 +0100 Organization: Ford Motor Company Message-ID: <375F70EF.F0CEF9E1@gw.ford.com> References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.165.5.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-c32f404p (Win95; I) Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18210 CARL. DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE GOING AS A BEE, YOU COULDE GO AS A SLUG AND YOU WOULD NOT EVEN NEED A COSTUME. CHEERS. GRIM REAPER. carl wrote: > > I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > Thanks in advance > > p.s. > How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have > a point or is hooked? From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-127.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:43:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990609112854.17310.00001200@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.7f X-Server-Date: 9 Jun 1999 20:46:43 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18211 In article <19990609112854.17310.00001200@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > > >> > Where I live you need to be 100 ft from property line in setting up hive. > > > > > >Are you sure this is the law? > > > actually it is 30 metres of a property line and you could be subject to a fine > of $2,000 if you don't comply and it is the LAW. > Wow. Interesting. Where do you live? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:57:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:47:02 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7jpbsa$is4$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.161.187 X-Trace: 929051338 1NNUCNF1GA1BBC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18212 Al Starter strips will be drawn out to the full frame in most cases I use starter strips in my supers because they are'nt wired and I can cut out the comb easily if it crystallises rapidly before I can extract (oil seed rape) Jajwuth wrote in message <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com>... >Would I be right in saying that the bees generally confine there activities to >the frames within langstroth hive because of the full foundation being >present.There is also the principle of bee space in design of the hive. If >there was only a frame with a starter strip then the bees would likely build a >crescent shape comb within the frame Would a langstroth hive without full >foundations (only starter strip) within its frames be in reality like a top bar >hive.Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a >langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. > >Al. From kredick@cnu.edu Sat Jun 12 22:57:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kredick@cnu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Entering the exchange Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:58:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.155.230.137 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 10 19:58:20 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 137.155.230.137 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18213 Anybody out there from the southeastern region of Virginia? I am an avid organic gardener who has always loved bees, and so, believing that failure is not to be feared but to be a catalyst for learning, I jumped into beekeeping this spring after a couple years of intense research. Much of what I have read, both in books and in this usenet log, indicate that I should be walking in the shadow of a living beekeeper. The only two I know of quit a number of years ago. Until I find a face-to-face beekeeping relationship, this usenet group is my only link to those in the know. My hive has been going for nearly 5 weeks now, and I have opened it twice. Does anyone remember the excitement of opening their first hive, for the first time? I'm there!! with all the wonder and questions. A week ago I noticed that they were building a supercedure structure (is that the right way to say it?). The queen seems to have a moderately regular pattern in the nest, and there were only a couple of sealed drones. I also noticed, here and there in the nest, that at the bottom of the unsealed cones there was a copper colored substance. Any comments or instruction is appreciated. Kip Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:57:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:45:06 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929054779 nnrp-01:14411 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18214 In article <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com>, Christopher Dainton writes >PS. What no replies to date? (2nd posting) >Is it perhaps called a demaree board? >It's the board with the 'open' and 'close' entrances >My literature has no refernce to this method of swarm/queen rearing >>thanks > >>Chris No, Snelgrove Board is correct. The two brood chambers are divides into box A with combs containing brood, and box B containg bees and combs with no brood. The queen and a frame containing a little unsealed brood is placed in the centre of box B Place box B on the floorboard, then a queen excluder,the super(s) that were on the hive, then box A above the super(s). Day 3/4, place the Snelgrove board under box A with the blank edge toward the front of the hive. The six entrances on the board are numbered: 1 left upper 2 left lower 3 right upper 4 right lower 5 rear upper 6 rear lower Open entratce 1 Day 7/8 close 1 open 2 & 3 Day 14/15 close 3 open 4 & 5 Entrance 6 doesnt come into the equation until later in the season if more bees are requred in box B, the the manipulations start all over. If you want to know more, buy the book: 'Swarming, Its Control & Prevention'. In my opinion, it's ok if you have a few hives and plenty of time. -- Tom Speight From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entering the exchange Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 23:42:11 GMT References: <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610194211.06546.00001816@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18215 In article <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kredick@cnu.edu writes: > >Anybody out there from the southeastern region of Virginia? There is a strong beekeepers association in Southern Maryland, I use to enjoy the trips quarterly to those meetings when I lived in Washington DC. I suspect there is one in your area, call your ag extension agent. From katperrr@gis.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Katherine A Perry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ? on effect of pesticides Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:30:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <929060631.523.18@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.32.220 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:23:51 GMT X-Trace: 929060631.523.18 K5MLV8YPG20DCD829C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18216 Can anyone point me towards information pertaining to the effect of pesticides on the honey bee? thanks -- Katherine A Perry From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-169.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:43:09 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990610150832.07645.00000140@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.a9 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 1999 00:43:26 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18217 In article <19990610150832.07645.00000140@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > queens stopped laying, dead bees and drones infront of every hive, forcast is > for no rain through next week. How many dead in front of each hive, you reckon? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From cheatherly@mms.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane!jacui.paris.none.net!news.none.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376070F3.74AC8553@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:14:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.202 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 929067213 166.82.249.202 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:13:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:13:33 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18218 carl wrote: > I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > Thanks in advance > > p.s. > How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have > a point or is hooked? Carl, You need six legs, two wings, and a hooked stinger. Don't know about the striped, never counted them. However, pick a number, four or hive, everybody will stay so far away from you with that stinger, they won't care whether you've not the right number of stripes or not. LO Charles Heatherly, NC From cheatherly@mms.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37607047.22DD53EA@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Assembling Frames? References: <375F4848.C766C8E5@nospam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:11:19 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.202 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 929067041 166.82.249.202 (Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:10:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:10:41 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18219 NewBeekeeper wrote: > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked > - down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do > I > - assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti > cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down > - the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get > - damaged? > > Any infor appreciated! Nail the frames firmly and glue them. Otherwise, they will work apart at the most inconvenient time. You can still reuse them many times after this either by extracting honey and reusing wax, or cutting out honey and wax, cleaning up frames and installing new foundation. I do it all the time. Charles Heatherly, NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 02:24:29 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610222429.09002.00000382@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18220 >How many dead in front of each hive, you reckon? > the ones that came out 6 wks ago plus the drones they cant afford to feed during a drought Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jun 12 22:57:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Message-ID: References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.64 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 929073659 216.100.28.64 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:00:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:00:59 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:05:24 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18222 Did you mean to say: "...hive with frame but no foundation?" In article <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a > langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. > > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:57:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 02:17:23 GMT References: <376070F3.74AC8553@mms.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990610221723.09002.00000381@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18223 ya know they don't call em three banded italians for nuthin . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I search the Archives? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:26:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7jr2qh$fj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 11 13:26:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18224 In article <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com>, "Robert Malley" wrote: > I would like to search the archives of this newsgroup. Can anyone please > tell me were it is located and how to search it. > Thanks for your help. > > Just A NewBee Robert > > The newsgroup is potentially located anywhere there is a news server. One such location is www.deja.com. >From the home page, select "Power Search" (at the top right side of the page under the button labelled "Find"). Fill in the "Forum" box with "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" and you probably want to change the "Match" list box to "any". You could also fill in any of the other boxes to limit your search or enter a keyword for which to search. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 12 22:58:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: 11 Jun 1999 16:26:07 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7jrdav$9h1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19990606075137.24729.00000558@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18225 Some of you may remember that I was sued for an alleged mass stinging incident back in 1997 (it took 9 months to conclude). My case was helped considerably by the fact that I was operating WITHIN the parameters of the law, and had a good reputation amongst the neighbors. The lawyers in the group can clarify this, but a lot of it had to do with what defined me as being liable in the first place. Apparently, operating within the law and established beekeeping practice reduced or made me non-liable. I got the distinct impression that in a court situation a beekeeper is in more trouble if he is operating illegally and one sting occurs, than if he is operating legally, and a hundred stings occur. Unfortunately, if you keep bees and own property, you are vulnerable to suits by unscrupulous persons aided by "slip and fall" exploiting lawyers. My experience was that by being conscientious and legal (and clearly knowing a lot more about apiculture than anyone in the courtroom) I was completely exonerated. But had I been operating illegally, I have no doubt that the case would have gone against me -- even though the plaintiff had NO evidence corroborating his story. Dave T. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeper-direct honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1999 13:05:02 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990610090502.16428.00001641@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18226 Do any of you beekeepers have honey for sale or barter ? I have to buy my honey from a retail store and I would prefer to buy it direct. I would also like to try different types. I'm not sure of the regulations going across borders etc. Al From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and pine trees Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 03:59:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7ji4ej$a4v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990606162535.16428.00000711@ngol03.aol.com> <19990606170229.16425.00000747@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 08 03:59:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.47, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18227 bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) wrote: > If you want to call it honey. What else would you call it? The bees collected a naturally occuring source of sweetness and, having treated with their enzymes, stored it in condensed liquid form. In addition to honeydew honey, which has a long and venerable history, you will find other kinds of non-nectar-based honeys, as, for example, this honey listed on Jan's Sweetness and Light webpage : <> If the bees "call" it honey, perhaps it is. Whether or not you like it or can find a large contemporary American market for it is another question altogether. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:22:54 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7jik1t$phe$1@epos.tesco.net> References: <928619451@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.22.240 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18228 Hi Bill What about Bert Hart? I have not been in contact with many of the old team for some time, please update me. I will not be on the bee tour this year although might do so next year. The concerns over GM are one issue that needs resolving and perhaps the association should state a clear policy stance on it - if it has one! Another snippet came to me yesterday. The headline that caught my eye was "BEES DELIVER LETHAL CARGO" is this dramatic or what. It seems IACR Harpenden have been coating departing bees with spores of a fungus that attacks the black pollen beetle of OSR. Without more information this seems somewhat fraught, exposing one insect that forages randomly to a fungus that might or might not be specific to one species of a beetle. The journalists involved like dramatic headlines and this may degenerate the importance of bees and create un-necessary fear in the population and heavens knows they are sufficiently timorous of bees at the best of times. Is there a way to get BBKA to state a policy position? Are they consulted by the ministry or have they been overlooked as a lobbying group due to the shrinking membership? Keith From cpreece@ford.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: carl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:07:02 +0100 Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 8 Message-ID: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.165.5.154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-c32f404p (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18229 I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? Thanks in advance p.s. How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have a point or is hooked? From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:24:09 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928839857 nnrp-11:25950 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18230 The simple answer is YES bees do move eggs. The following is paraphrased from Ted Hooper - A guide to Bees and Honey Blandford Press 1985 "As it is very unlikely that there will already be queen cups..... the bees make emergency type queen cells. The bees commence by adding royal jelly to selected worker larvae until they are floated to the mouth of the cell. By this time the bees have had time to build a bespoke cell. Provided the larvae is less than 36 hours old, it will form a satisfactory queen. Older larvae may result in smaller or weaker queens." The next question is WHY build a queen cup in the super? Perhaps the "architect" bee put her chalk (pheromone) mark in the wrong place which explains the vagaries of many human buildings. If there are no nurse bees to tend and care for the misplaced larvae then it will not survive. In article <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Gavin Ramsay writes >Dear All > >Does anyone have an explanation for the presence of a single, sealed Q cell >in a super above the excluder and brood box? > >The hive is a Modified National, common in the UK (I’m in E Scotland), with >the usual single brood box and two supers above an undamaged wire excluder. >The upper super has been on longer and is mostly capped; the lower was >furnished with a mixture of drawn comb, foundation, and starter strips >(hoping for comb honey) against the top bar 19 days ago. The comb drawn >down from the starter strips has a few Q cups, an arch of unsealed honey, >and a semi-circular lower area of empty cells as if the bees were hoping to >enlarge the brood nest into the super. No such luck, I’m sticking to one >deep, even in a strong colony such as this one. So, among the honey, some >pollen and empty cells in the lower super, part way up from the base of the >central frame and alongside an unused Q cup, was one sealed Q cell >containing a living larva. No other sealed cells, larvae or eggs in the >supers. The marked Q, 12 months old, was still laying in the brood box >below the excluder with eggs, larvae and plenty of sealed brood. > >A month or two back Jack Griffes said that he suspected egg movement can >take place. The only other explanation in this case would be the queen >slipping through the excluder for the first time in her life to lay one egg, >then retreating down again …. or maybe an egg dropping from the sky during >the previous inspection! Anyone seen anything similar? > >Gavin. > > > > -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Secretary Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Sat Jun 12 22:58:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:20:12 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7jj5a5$3ap$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> <7jio3u$m41$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 928848005 3417 129.173.88.206 (8 Jun 1999 13:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 13:20:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18231 honeybs wrote: > > carl wrote: > > >I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > >how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > It sounds like your going as a yellow jacket! > > >How many legs do I need > 6 > > > do I need 4 or 2 wings, > 4 > > >and does my sting have a point or is hooked? > Barbed point > > You also need a long tounge that will cause every woman in > the place to want a date with you! > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > And don't forget the prism googles Ulli From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jun 1999 15:17:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> Message-ID: <19990608111758.23242.00001907@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18232 From: Mark Veltman >My family was in the beekeeping business for about 15 years over a >decade ago. I am currently looking at getting back into the business. >Most of the starter information I have read suggest going with packages >instead of nucs. I am lined up to recieve a few nucs in a week or so. > >Can someone please explain why the packages over nucs, seem to be most >recommended for starters? Packages can be shipped. If you have nucs available, go with them. They will have brood emerging on the day you get them, whereas installed packages will dwindle quite a while, until brood starts hatching and the colony builds. You probably have at least a three week advantage with nucs. If your main flows are early, that can be critical. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From shuston@riverace.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:15:08 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <375D418C.FD719E25@riverace.com> References: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> <374EB01B.43B6A542@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 409RTEs4wpcT0GXPXS4pfiuODG/zQmyEs6sCreE2fJg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1999 16:15:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18233 Steve Huston wrote: > My gloves have leather hands and ventilated canvas arms. So far I've > not been stung through them, and I've seen bees trying. Spoke too soon... ;-) Little sucker got me through the ventilated part of the sleeve this weekend. Oh well. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From apimo@apimo.dk Sat Jun 12 22:58:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:25:17 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip17.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 929122192 3194 195.249.242.17 (11 Jun 1999 17:29:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 1999 17:29:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18234 Terry Western skrev i meddelelsen <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com>... >A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the >news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. >When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one >remind us where to find it? You can get the software from my web placed in USA. The software is multilingual in the sence that the software 'try to speak your country language' and if not found speak English :-) The language covered is : English Dutch German Danish Swedish Spanish Brazil Puortoguise and can be translated into any language of the world by the user him/her self. Even the source for the help file is available on request. A simple winword document (RTF) and if translated and returned to me I will compile the helpfile for use with Your language . best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37615279.312E45AA@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:16:26 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.75.213 X-Trace: news1.atl 929124930 209.214.75.213 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:15:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:15:30 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18235 We all agree that beekeeping is considered agriculture... I suppose it can also be considered a "non-profit" enterprise... David (more bees than money) Sue Snyder wrote: > I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment > and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an > equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township > Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of > agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to > be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone > point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. > > Jeff in Michigan From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:02:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> To: Jajwuth X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 11 Jun 1999 10:04:23 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Jun 11 03:05:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust153.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3760DE9B.2C34@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18236 Jajwuth wrote: > > Would I be right in saying that the bees generally confine there activities to > the frames within langstroth hive because of the full foundation being > present.There is also the principle of bee space in design of the hive. If > there was only a frame with a starter strip then the bees would likely build a > crescent shape comb within the frame Would a langstroth hive without full > foundations (only starter strip) within its frames be in reality like a top bar > hive.Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a > langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. > > Al. I've used a starter strip in shallow supers for comb honey and the bees pull it from corner to corner. I suspect they would do the same with deeps. Don From dscribner@SPAM-CATCHERbigfoot.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:08:09 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7jrfav$pnc@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-60.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 11 12:00:15 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18237 Terry Western wrote: >A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the >news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. >When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one >remind us where to find it? Go to http://apimo.dk . --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 17:15:37 GMT References: <7jrdav$9h1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611131537.23075.00001981@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18238 David J Trickett writes: > Apparently, operating within the law and established beekeeping >practice reduced or made me non-liable. One thing puzzles me about the above statement what is the meaning of established beekeeping practise. Wouldn't operating within the law to some degree assure you are operating in an established manner as long as you are not negligent in your practises. Thanks Al From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: G M Crops again! Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:11:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7jrqgk$o0j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <928179963@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.palladium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 929131860 24595 62.136.22.151 (11 Jun 1999 20:11:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 1999 20:11:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18239 Bill Mundy wrote in message <928179963@zbee.com>... >be sown in this area, I wrote to two local M.P.s, stating that a 6m barrier of >non G.M. seed around the test area would no t prevent pollination by Honeybees >--- > * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) More important is that if an insecticide element is genetically introduced into pollen of, say, OSR, it will be fed to our bee larvae and they will die. The same applies to bumble bees, which are under many other threats. Monsanta apologists say that Monarch butterflies only died under labolratory conditions, when they were force fed GM pollen but our bees force feed larvae, which NEED pollen. I've telephoned and written to Radio 4 about this but this very important aspect of the matter never seems to be raised. Perhaps we need a mass lobby. After all, honey bees are vital to agricultural economy for that very pollination effected by adult bees collecting pollen to feed to the developing bees. Mary Fisher From beeman10@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, and ANTS ? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 19:16:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611151657.24730.00001480@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18240 Not all black ants are carpenter ants. There is a species of carpenter ant that has a red thorax and black abdomen and head. The size does vary in a carpenter ant colony and the older the colony, the more large ants you will see. I have seen several species of ants around my hive and the bees defend their hive from all of them. They usualy put down extra propolis to keep them. I have found them on the inner cover warming their eggs and the bees have filled in the central hole almost completely. The ants will raid the hive for honey and I would not put it past some species grabbing pollen and bee parts. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives in bear country Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 19:37:54 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611153754.17311.00001644@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18241 >From what I read that some of the best pesticide free apiary sites also happen to be in black bear country. Also I read that there is strategies in locating your apiary and the recommendation of using electric fences. Electric fences require maintenace and monitoring to be effective. You have to use bacon and condition the bear not to go through the fence. Do they really work ? My question is do apiaries in themselves attract bears? Or is it by chance that a foraging bear will come upon an apiary. Is there anybody not using electric fences in bear country? Al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I search the Archives? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 99 19:02:35 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com> <7jr2qh$fj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.88 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:00:39 GMT X-Trace: 929131239.569.71 KRFRRPH9I9858CE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18242 Hi, Actually, you can spend days in fruitless searching . It's rare that you find what you're looking for on the first try . Be as cunning as you're able, to keep the search as narrow, and on-target as possible . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/11/99 6:26AM, in message <7jr2qh$fj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com wrote: In article <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com>, "Robert Malley" wrote: > I would like to search the archives of this newsgroup. Can anyone please > tell me were it is located and how to search it. > Thanks for your help. > > Just A NewBee Robert > > The newsgroup is potentially located anywhere there is a news server. One such location is www.deja.com. >From the home page, select "Power Search" (at the top right side of the page under the button labelled "Find"). Fill in the "Forum" box with "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" and you probably want to change the "Match" list box to "any". You could also fill in any of the other boxes to limit your search or enter a keyword for which to search. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-184.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives in bear country Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:05:36 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990611153754.17311.00001644@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.b8 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 1999 20:08:47 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18243 In article <19990611153754.17311.00001644@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >You have to use bacon and condition the bear not to > go through the fence. Do they really work ? > Here in Colorado, some friends put electrodes into a piece of bacon and shocked the hell out of a problem bear. They swear he's never been back. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 21:13:39 GMT References: <37615279.312E45AA@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611171339.03117.00000643@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18244 >beekeeping is considered agriculture... I suppose it can also >be considered a "non-profit" enterprise... THATS FOR DANG SURE !!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:23:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7jrr77$ok7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7in6rt$p5h$6@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.palladium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 929132583 25223 62.136.22.151 (11 Jun 1999 20:23:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 1999 20:23:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18245 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com>... >I know that the catenary hive is mentioned in book called Home Honey >Production. >I didn't know if there was another book on subject. Bill Bielby, then County Bee Adviser in West Yorkshire, wrote the book and invented the catenary hive. He kept some bees in them and I took my first exam using one with him as my examiner. I passed with flying colours but not because of the hive, I wouldn't advise using one. Condition have to be ideal to manipulate the frames. Bill Bielby retired and moved to New Zealand several years ago and I don't think has been heard of since. Mary the Chandler It puzzle me why a top >bar hive would not be made in the catenary shape because of the shape of comb. From tceisele@mtu.edu Sat Jun 12 22:58:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Date: 11 Jun 1999 13:02:45 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7jr1dl$a4i$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> <19990611083712.22540.00002059@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18246 Jajwuth wrote: : what is the approximate price differential between nucs and packages? : I assume that with a top bar hive the only way to go is with package bees : since nucs are aimed more at the langstroth market.. : Al >From my (admittedly limited) experience, the price difference is essentially none. Packages look a bit cheaper at first, but you have to pay for the postage, which makes their price pretty much the same as nucs ($50 per nuc in my area). As far as putting nucs in top bar hives, is there any particular reason why the TBH can't be made so that a Langstroth frame will fit in, at least temporarily? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:39:43 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7jrvqk$mc1$1@gxsn.com> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.129.129 X-Trace: 929137300 1NNUCNF1G8181C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18247 Thanks Tom Your post was very useful I've muddled through with some success I've raised 4 new queens on the 5 hives I'd tried it on Top box and bottom box with loads of eggs and brood ready for the summer flow if it appears I'll unite the brood with the new queen in anticipation I like the idea of only putting the snelgrove board after 3/4 days to give the unsealed QC plenty of nurse bees I did it straight away and with a somewhat haphazard use of entrances it still worked The one failure ended with a total desertion of the top brood box but the old queen at the bottom came back into lay Yes it does take some time but perhaps no more than an artificial swarm procedure The one disadvantage is that it all happens during the spring flow with supers having to be cleared at the same time I found the real advantage is that I make no increase, being limited on space Thanks Chris Tom Speight wrote in message <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk>... From BobCan@Clover.Net Sat Jun 12 22:58:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Bob" From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <928966353.371.95@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:23:55 -0400 Lines: 24 Organization: Ohio Bee Keeper X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <375fd891@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 10 Jun 1999 11:24:01 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18248 Yes they do work.. Although, collecting a swarm means you are collecting bees that like to swarm! I don't know If I have seen any wild bees. The ones I have seen are usually from my hives! I have made it a point to replace the queen with a breed that doesn't have a tendency to swarm. Good Luck! g.mcclure wrote in message news:928966353.371.95@news.remarQ.com... > i have seen some information on swarm traps or lures to capture wild bees > and was wondering > if they work? i like the idea of collecting wild bees too build my colonies > and save money on > packaged bees. > > > > From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:15:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7jrqo7$os8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 11 20:15:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18249 In article <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: > > Terry Western skrev i meddelelsen <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com>... > >A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the > >news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. > >When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one > >remind us where to find it? > > You can get the software from my web placed in USA. > > The software is multilingual in the sence that the software 'try to speak > your country language' and if not found speak English :-) > > The language covered is : > > English > Dutch > German > Danish > Swedish > Spanish > Brazil Puortoguise > > and can be translated into any language of the world by the user him/her > self. Even the source for the help file is available on request. A simple > winword document (RTF) and if translated and returned to me I will compile > the helpfile for use with Your language . > > best regards > > Jorn Johanesson > > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) > http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) > http://apimo.dk (USA) > apimo@post4.tele.dk > apimo@wn.com.au > Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > > > Are you aware that your URL http://apimo.dk gives an error message? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jkimbro@midtown.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis buster Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:13:53 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.36 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:20:53 GMT X-Trace: 929146853.152.84 YIDHBSSGM6524CDA2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18250 Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 00:39:41 GMT References: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611203941.07651.00000880@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18251 >Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? > sure is ethyl alcohol " Everclear " works real good Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives in bear country Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 00:49:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611204953.23074.00002008@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18252 Actually today I viewed a video that showed the setting up and operation of an electric fence. At the end of the video it showed three examples of bears approaching the apiary. In each case the bears bit the bacon and promptly took off in a flash. It was obvious the bears did not like it. The fence does require maintenance. I'm sure if there was no bacon there the bear would go right through the fence. Probably the bacon alone on the fence is enough to attract the bears without the apiary being there. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 00:49:54 GMT References: <7jrr77$ok7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611204954.23074.00002009@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18253 , "Mary Fisher" writes: >Bill Bielby, then County Bee Adviser in West Yorkshire, wrote the book (home honey production) and >invented the catenary hive. He kept some bees in them and I took my first >exam using one with him as my examiner. I passed with flying colours but not >because of the hive, I wouldn't advise using one. Condition have to be ideal >to manipulate the frames. I sure enjoyed reading his book. Through this newsgroup I found one other person who built a catenary hive for his own use.. Al From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Message-ID: References: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> <19990611083712.22540.00002059@ngol02.aol.com> <7jr1dl$a4i$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.113 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 929149632 216.100.28.113 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:07:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:07:12 EDT Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:11:40 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18254 I think Jim Satterfield of U of G recommends that. In article <7jr1dl$a4i$1@campus1.mtu.edu>, tceisele@mtu.edu says... > As far as putting nucs in top bar hives, is there any particular reason > why the TBH can't be made so that a Langstroth frame will fit in, at least > temporarily? > > From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 02:35:29 GMT References: <19990610221723.09002.00000381@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611223529.01328.00000381@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18255 Aren't there five banded Italians also or is that just one of my many bee dreams? Laura From allend@internode.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: nucs or packages Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:40:33 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 79 Message-ID: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> References: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <375D1F10.AE351883@lambton.on.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18256 > Can someone please explain why the packages over nucs, seem to be most > recommended for starters? There are a number of interesting reasons: The Producer: Packages are available consistently and reliably in large quantities nationally and internationally. Nucs are available mostly locally, in limited supply and on a custom 'arranged' basis. They are harder to produce consistently and on time, heavier, and trickier to ship in small numbers. A nuc supplier that gears up to produce quantity will run out of drawn comb quickly, unless combs are exchanged, in which case some time consuming and alienating haggling is required on every transaction, and brood diseases and/or government inspections may be a problem. This limits the potential for the nuc business to expand compared to package businesses. The Marketplace: It is easier for the recipient to judge the quality of a nuc than a package; thus transactions are again less simple, since nucs are not well standardized. It is much more obvious if you are being 'burned' buying nucs than packages. This fact makes selling nucs more difficult. With nucs, obvious immediate failure is clearly the seller's fault most of the time, while with packages, it is generally harder and takes longer to spot failure. Either nucs are good on arrival and thrive, or they are poor on arrival and fail. The buyer does not have to do much of anything with them. With package bees, the buyer's equipment, handling and feeding is involved. It takes time for problems to show, and it is easy to blame the buyer. Even with immediate failure -- other than a package arriving full of dead bees -- the buyer is likely to take at least some of the blame. Government: Regulatory people and extension people have historically been more concerned about spread of brood diseases than the risk of failure by those beginning beekeeping, and consider packages safer from that perspective. Sale of used equipment has been carefully regulated and somewhat disparaged in many jurisdictions. The Bee Press: The bee press is largely sponsored by the bee equipment suppliers' and bee suppliers' advertising dollars. Both are fairly big, standardised and profitable businesses compared to the nuc businesses and second-hand sales, which are mostly local and ad hoc. The former run large regular national and international display ads and the latter run sporadic little local classifieds -- if they even advertise at all. It's not entirely a co-incidence that the bee press, which is national or international in scope and which -- when not the house organ for a bee supply manufacturer -- needs advertising revenue to survive, has historically has always tended to favour starting with foundation, new wood and packages, not nucs and used equipment. Homo Sapiens: "New' has always tended to be considered better than used in everything people buy. Consumerism demands that new products replace old as quickly as possible to generate economic activity. Conservation movements -- at times other than in wartime -- have turned out to be fads and not had wide followings. Although people have always paid lip service and made token efforts to sort garbage, etc. they still will choose new over old every time -- all other things being equal. People tend to have a built-in bias against buying things that have been used by others. Beekeeping equipment is unusual in that 'used' is better than 'new' in most cases, so those who are not fully immersed in beekeeping naturally make the wrong choice every time. As I see it anyhow. allen From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 02:21:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611222151.01328.00000371@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18257 >Hell, what did I step into this time... What I MEANT was... who ever said >he would get fined apparently didn't want to say where he's located. I'm >curious if this kind of law exists in the US. > Don't worry about it. Jajwuth is a bit of an arse. I'd rather go to the dentist than try to converse with him. Oh Ya........He is in Canada. Laura From tjwestern@bigpond.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> From: Terry Western X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:29:14 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.226.251 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 929100405 139.134.226.251 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:26:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:26:45 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18258 A friend of mine told me about some beekeeping software listed in the news group recently. I think it comes from Denmark but is multilingual. When we went looking for it, we could not find the message. Can any one remind us where to find it? From shurik166@softhome.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Shu2217" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey for sale! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:14:26 +0400 Organization: RemarQ http://www.remarQ.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7jtito$p2s$1@uk25.supernews.com> X-Trace: 929189624 7RLHQ.0RS76A5C310 uk25.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:96 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18259 I'm has unlimited amount of natural honey!!! I'm from Russia Anybody please talk me - where (at Europe) I can sale my Honey??? or who can buy it! I also want to know - how price of Honey at in a different countries!? My e-mail is shurik166@softhome.net please answer anybody!!! Shurik (sorry for bad English) From malley@netdoor.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How can I search the Archives? Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <8O683.1711$LI5.165062@axe.netdoor.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:03:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.135 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 929102084 208.137.149.135 (Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:54:44 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:54:44 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18260 I would like to search the archives of this newsgroup. Can anyone please tell me were it is located and how to search it. Thanks for your help. Just A NewBee Robert From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 12:37:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611083711.22540.00002058@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18261 (Peter Amschel) writes: >Did you mean to say: "...hive with frame but no foundation?" > > > > >In article <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com >says... >> Also a catenary hive with foundation but no frame would be like a >> langstroth hive but is in fact classified as a top bar hive. >> >> >> I believe catenary hive has a full reinforced foundation suspended from top bar Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs or packages Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 12:37:12 GMT References: <000001beb3e6$1207bea0$02000003@allend> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990611083712.22540.00002059@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18262 what is the approximate price differential between nucs and packages? I assume that with a top bar hive the only way to go is with package bees since nucs are aimed more at the langstroth market.. Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 11:36:56 GMT References: <8zq83.2078$EU.126287@monger.newsread.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990612073656.25603.00001061@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18263 >I've always used denatured but I'll have to try Everclear as I could always >put a little in my grapefruit juice. > I usually forget something, this time was no different. Most will remember my note on the use of boiling Lye water used to clean wooden ware. This works very well, removes anything, leaves the wooden frames bright and looking just like new. I have found that it will also run the propolis out of cracks and crevases, making it very easy to see if any re gluing is necessary as in the case of old used boxes. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From griffes@my-deja.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia '99 Press Release #9 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:00:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 89 Message-ID: <7jtel9$835$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 12 11:00:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18264 Dear Friends of Bees!     below and attached you will find the most recent press release relating to Apimondia'99.  If you think these presentations sound interesting, check out the website .  The breadth of topics is exceptional.     Please forward this message on to everyone you can think of.  No one should miss this congress!  It is truly a once-in-a-lifetime event.                                         Gard Otis                                         University of Guelph                                         Ontario, Canada                                         Apimondia Promotion Chair                                         gotis@evbhort.uoguelph.ca ******************************************************************** Press Release #9: Apimondia'99 *************************************************** Apimondia'99 Program Highlights Have you ever dreamt of the perfect beekeeping congress? Hundreds of high quality presentations, a huge trade show, held in a beautiful location?  Apimondia'99 is all that and more! The program has been finalized now, and will be excellent! Approximately 450 papers have been accepted for presentation by beekeepers and researchers from throughout the world.  The summaries that follow provide a "taste" of what to expect at thecongress.      When Denis Anderson (Australia) began sequencing DNA      from Varroa mites, he never would have predicted that      "Varroa jacobsoni" is actually a complex of 5 different      species of mites!  In his presentation, Denis will explain      that "Varroa jacobsoni" is harmless to honey bees.  The      new name of the Varroa mite that causes damage to Apis      mellifera worldwide will be unveiled at the congress!      Brother Adam's Buckfast Bee has gained acceptance      throughout the world as a gentle, productive bee strain.      Buckfast breeder Erik Osterlund (Sweden) will describe      his breeding methods, including progress through 1999 in      developing a varroa-tolerant bee based on crosses with      high elevation African bees.      The prairie provinces of Canada are famous for large      crops of white honey.  The short growing season demands      beekeeping efficiency.  For example, Dave Tegart      (Alberta) has incorporated hive splitting and migration to      southern British Columbia as ways to stay ahead of      parasitic mites and reduce costs.  Terry Fehr (Manitoba)      will describe ways to be maximally efficient in the beeyard,      thereby managing time as a resource.  Other successful      beekeepers will discuss how they make their operations     profitable.      How much is pollination worth to fruit and vegetable      growers?  Nelson Pomeroy (New Zealand) has data for      bumble bees: $1 spent on bees translates into $100 in      tomatoes!  The factory-style indoor production units for      the bees he will describe have no parallel in other parts of      the bee industry.      Beekeepers often rent hives for cranberry pollination.  Jim      Cane (USA) has discovered that honey bees are good      pollinators of cranberries, but foragers that specialize on      pollen collection are much more effective pollinators than      nectar foragers.  He will present the first documented      evidence that bees selectively bred to hoard more pollen      are more efficient pollinators.      Bob Kime (USA) has developed techniques of      ultrafiltration of honey to remove the proteins that cause      serious problems for mead-makers.  Using ultrafiltered      honey eliminates cloudiness and the need for lengthy aging      of mead.  He looks forward to explaining "the first      breakthrough in mead making in thousands of years!"      Beekeeping can help to improve the lives of the poorest      people in developing countries.  After Nicola Bradbear      (UK) gives an overview of the value of beekeeping in      development, speakers from beekeeping projects world-wide will present their personal experiences. If these sound interesting, check the program at the website or the second circular to see the diversity of information to be presented at Apimondia'99.  No aspects of bees and beekeeping will be overlooked.  Beekeepers cannot afford to miss this congress!  The information that will be presented will translate into improved bee management and profitability. Apimondia'99 will take place in Vancouver, Canada, between 12-18 September.  Register now to ensure your place in this major beekeeping congress.  Registration materials can be obtained from the congress website: . Alternatively, you can contact Venue West Conference Services, #645-375 Water Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada V6B 5C6; e-mail: . Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-226.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey for sale! Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:41:22 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <7jtito$p2s$1@uk25.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.e2 X-Server-Date: 12 Jun 1999 14:44:08 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:97 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18266 In article <7jtito$p2s$1@uk25.supernews.com>, "Shu2217" wrote: > I'm has unlimited amount of natural honey!!! > I'm from Russia > > Anybody please talk me - where (at Europe) I can sale my Honey??? > or who can buy it! > I also want to know - how price of Honey at in a different countries!? > > My e-mail is shurik166@softhome.net > > please answer anybody!!! > Shurik > > > (sorry for bad English) I have no idea, but I hope someone does... this could be an interesting thread. Good luck! "Dobredan!" (Sorry, bad Russian!) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-85.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:48:54 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990610222429.09002.00000382@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.55 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 1999 04:51:38 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18267 In article <19990610222429.09002.00000382@ng-co1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >How many dead in front of each hive, you reckon? > > > > the ones that came out 6 wks ago plus the drones they cant afford to feed > during a drought > I mean... dozens, hundreds, thousands??? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entering the exchange Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:43:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7jq0ki$50t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 11 03:43:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18268 In article <7jp5cm$rgo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kredick@cnu.edu wrote: There appear to be a lot of beekeeping associations in southeastern Virginia and include the Tidewater Beekeepers Association, NASA-Langley Apicultural Club, and depending on your definition of southeastern Virginia, Halifax Beekeepers Association and Richmond Beekeepers Association. Let me know which one interests you and I'll send you a contact or two if you like. > Anybody out there from the southeastern region of Virginia? I am an > avid organic gardener who has always loved bees, and so, believing that > failure is not to be feared but to be a catalyst for learning, I jumped > into beekeeping this spring after a couple years of intense research. > Much of what I have read, both in books and in this usenet log, indicate > that I should be walking in the shadow of a living beekeeper. The only > two I know of quit a number of years ago. Until I find a face-to-face > beekeeping relationship, this usenet group is my only link to those in > the know. My hive has been going for nearly 5 weeks now, and I have > opened it twice. Does anyone remember the excitement of opening their > first hive, for the first time? I'm there!! with all the wonder and > questions. A week ago I noticed that they were building a supercedure > structure (is that the right way to say it?). The queen seems to have a > moderately regular pattern in the nest, and there were only a couple of > sealed drones. I also noticed, here and there in the nest, that at the > bottom of the unsealed cones there was a copper colored substance. Any > comments or instruction is appreciated. > Kip > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive ventilation Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1999 14:54:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990611105454.03741.00000454@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18269 > >I mean... dozens, hundreds, thousands??? > well stretch, it's usual to see quite a few bees on the ground in front of the hive during a drought a good hand ful for instance. Course ya gotta realize you're gonna lose bees due to age sometimes like this too. I don't worry or even get concerned till i see about 20 on the landing board itself. If they haven't been dumped over the edge or carried off then something is up for sure. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What are my bees doing? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:26:14 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 929201200 209.69.69.147 (Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:26:40 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:26:40 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18270 Odd happening this morning- I got a call form my father this morning- "The Bees are swarming!" "OK," I said, "I'll be there in ten minutes!" I jumped in my car, drove to my parents house, and by the time I got there the bees had settled back on the front of the hive, and were beginning to re-enter the hive. This is what my dad saw between Ten and 10 fifteen this morning: Al was very quiet, then suddenly a large number of bees exited the hive, and flew about in a large swirling cloud in front of the hive. The cloud of bees was probably 20 feet across, and completely filled the large apple tree in front of the hive. The bees did not seem to be entering the swarm trap in this tree. After 5 or ten minutes of excitement, the bees began to settle back onto the front of the hive. When I got there a few minutes later, all was quiet, and there was at least a gallon of bees draped over the entrance board. This hive has no queen at the moment, but I know they have at least two ripe queen cells. Could this have been a mating flight? Thanks! Ellen From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: installing packages of bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 17:06:56 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990612130656.22542.00001989@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18271 I have a video that shows a package of bees being installed in a hive. Is it the queens presence that causes all the bees to remain in the hive, once they are dumped in? How is the package made up by the supplier. Is the Queen new to the masses when the package is made up or does it matter? Should any other bee scent be put in the hive to encourage the bees to remain and start up a honey producing colony? I've never seen a swarm but is the process similar in capturing and installing a swarm in your hive? Thanks Al From jps@ticnet.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:38:50 -0500 Organization: DFW R/C Net Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7727870F646333EA.08F8700AC9F8B293.8AAAF1390B475275@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7ju5vh$mn4@library1.airnews.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Jun 12 12:38:57 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !a=YF4F\JsW( wrote in message news:Q_u83.422$el4.16273@ord-read.news.verio.net... > Odd happening this morning- I got a call form my father this morning- > "The Bees are swarming!" "OK," I said, "I'll be there in ten minutes!" > I jumped in my car, drove to my parents house, and by the time I got > there the bees had settled back on the front of the hive, and were beginning > to re-enter the hive. > This is what my dad saw between Ten and 10 fifteen this morning: > Al was very quiet, then suddenly a large number of bees exited the hive, and > flew about in a large swirling cloud in front of the hive. The cloud of > bees was probably 20 feet across, and completely filled the large apple tree > in front of the hive. The bees did not seem to be entering the swarm trap > in this tree. > After 5 or ten minutes of excitement, the bees began to settle back > onto the front of the hive. When I got there a few minutes later, all was > quiet, and there was at least a gallon of bees draped over the entrance > board. > This hive has no queen at the moment, but I know they have at least > two ripe queen cells. Could this have been a mating flight? > > Thanks! > Ellen > > > From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Sat Jun 12 22:58:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> Subject: Re: Propolis buster Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:30:21 -0400 Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.7 Message-ID: <3762461e.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 12 Jun 1999 06:35:58 -0600, 209.192.109.7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.208.190.2!news.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18273 When I get it on my hands or equipment I use alcohol wipes, it seems to cut through it very easily. -- -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 JKimbro wrote in message <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net>... >Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? > From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990612130656.22542.00001989@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: installing packages of bees Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:03:04 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 929210388 209.69.69.117 (Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:59:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:59:48 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18274 With a queen, the package is likely to remain in the hive- most of the time! If the hive is in an unbearable place (Too hot, or something) the bees may decide to leave, and take the queen with them. (Just like a natural swarm.) Having comb encourages them to stay, shady cool location helps, so does feeding sugar water. Some recommend hiving packages in the late afternoon or early evening because once they have stayed overnight, they are very likely to stay. I keep the queen in the introduction cage- by the time they release her they have built some comb and consider this spot home. (With a TBH I hang the cage from an empty TB with a little metal screening, leaving the candy hole well exposed.) The queen is new to the bees in the package when she is put in, but remember they have had several days in the mail to get used to her. Ellen From dcpickle@busprod.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "David Pickle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will Apistan ruin my honey? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:46:53 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.150.74.9 Message-ID: <37628ea2.0@news.busprod.com> X-Trace: 12 Jun 1999 16:45:22 GMT, 207.150.74.9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.154.138.15!news.busprod.com!207.150.74.9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18275 Hi, I accidentaly left an apistan strip on last fall. (It stuck to the 2nd brood chamber, so when I lifted it there was only one in the bottom brood chamber to remove, I thought) I forgot about the strip. Now, I have a super full of capped honey and I'm not sure if it's safe to eat! What do you think? The strip is still there, I'll remove it before I put on the next super, of course. Thanks! From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 20:11:24 GMT References: <19990611222151.01328.00000371@ng-fv1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990612161124.16425.00002231@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18276 Stretch I'm located in Canada regards Al From ronbonzo@webtv.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: ronbonzo@webtv.net (Dave O'Donnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:44:07 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7005-3762B887-82@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7007-3762AA8F-30@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxhwbIO5+ooHgJkJPudPuDizlaAECFFz4EyuVziswDIIh306rgkE7CA7Q Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18277 Also: http://www.uidaho.edu/pses/Strickler/SolitaryBees/diversfy.html From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 12 22:58:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:19:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7jufcj$64d$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.visine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929218771 6285 62.136.94.83 (12 Jun 1999 20:19:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 1999 20:19:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18278 JKimbro wrote in message <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net>... >Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? Vodka Mary B > From ronbonzo@webtv.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: ronbonzo@webtv.net (Dave O'Donnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees, capture & store? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:44:31 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7007-3762AA8F-30@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuBbZVmlYlY8aWyvbMllIdIpwTegCFBfFzfKws+qdbyPGkNnEnzsAcyhI Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18279 Check out: http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/inse006/inse006.htm http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/omb.htm From m12345@ihug.co.nz Sat Jun 12 22:58:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: m12345@ihug.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:30:10 -0700 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3763CE82.5F9C@ihug.co.nz> References: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p55-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18280 JKimbro wrote: > > Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? yep. methylated spirits. From apimo@apimo.dk Sat Jun 12 22:58:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:54:29 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7jt7i7$d5h$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3760F30A.6AC5B81A@bigpond.com> <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <7jrqo7$os8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip93.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 929177991 13489 195.249.242.93 (12 Jun 1999 08:59:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 1999 08:59:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18281 glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com skrev i meddelelsen <7jrqo7$os8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <7jrh2g$33q$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, > "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: >Are you aware that your URL http://apimo.dk gives an error message? No I was not aware of it. The Url was working when I wrote the mail. But this morning I could not logon myself. The reason for that is that apimo.dk is moving to another server location. It is moving to UUnet and the administration on this server is my nef. I phoned him this morning, but he was still asleep. Sorry for this. The moving should assure a more relaiable and faster connection. So please have pation. the alternative location for my software is ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/edbi/bidatawin95inst.exe at the size and time of 10528981byte 1999-05-30 13:04 best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk S > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beehive -landing board Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 22:39:11 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990612183911.17311.00001825@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18282 Is the landing board necessary and recommended on a beehive? The only purpose that comes to my mind is more efficient arrivals and departures. In a wild hive I don't think there is a landing board. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 21:48:58 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <375CCF26.96A8F72E@ford.com> <375F6E8F.2C35DB2B@gw.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:46:56 GMT X-Trace: 929227616.768.72 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18283 Hi, Sober up, if you can't post in better taste than this in science newsgroups, when you're drunk . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/10/99 12:51AM, in message <375F6E8F.2C35DB2B@gw.ford.com>, default wrote: CARL. WHY DON'T YOU GO AS A SLUG.ITS MUCH EASIER AS YOU WON'T NEED A COSTUME. CHEERS MARK. carl wrote: > > I'm going to a fancy dress party at the weekend and would like to know > how many yellow and black stipes I need to stick on my bee costume? > > Thanks in advance > > p.s. > How many legs do I need, do I need 4 or 2 wings, and does my sting have > a point or is hooked? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 21:49:09 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <375F70EF.F0CEF9E1@gw.ford.com> <19990610111757.01162.00000118@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:47:07 GMT X-Trace: 929227627.486.86 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18284 Hi, Yeh, I remember being young, and ignorant . Time took care of the "young" part . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/10/99 8:17AM, in message <19990610111757.01162.00000118@ng-fi1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 wrote: Seems like some slack-jawed, Beavis-and-Butthead character has wandered into the group. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contrary bees, can't take a hint . Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 21:49:22 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 81 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:47:21 GMT X-Trace: 929227641.444.32 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18285 Hi, The brood box that was my first attempt to assemble a beehive, is a resounding success at producing brood, and bees ... but : They've built comb in EVERY direction, regardless the foundation . I started to take your advice about checking each frame, did actually pull two, but found the whole thing so interwoven, that trying to put it back together was a disaster . I'm not real disappointed, like I wrote, they're all-over three deep supers, and two shallow supers, it must be a huge success, in terms of population; but I can't pull frames in the brood box, without totally wrecking the hive . Where did I go wrong ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/10/99 6:07AM, in message <375fb7b2.225085875@news3.usenetserver.com>, Dave Hamilton wrote: Just nails two down from the top bar on each end .. two up from the bottom bar on each end and the most important nail is one from each side into top bar, diagonally upward. This is the "usual" way. I know people with nail guns will put all the nails in from the side bars, through the little tabs into the top and bottom bars, horizontally. If you tried this with a hammer you would split a bunch of tabs open. When you nail the split rail back in .. it is a good idea to leave the 5/8" nails stick out a bit so you can pull them to replace foundation. Dave On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:08:24 -0700, NewBeekeeper wrote: > I am just starting out, got my first hives & frames delivered knocked >- down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, now I need to know do >I >- assemble the frames & foundation with glue & nails? (using Plasti >cell). > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail them up so that down >- the road if I want to replace the foundation I can disassemble them > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when the old ones get >- damaged? > >Any infor appreciated! > From platokafka@aol.comedy.org Sat Jun 12 22:58:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: platokafka@aol.comedy.org (Platokafka) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contrary bees, can't take a hint . Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1999 22:57:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990612185704.07588.00001025@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18286 Never seen this happen unless the space between frames is too big. Always use 10 frames of undrawn foundation in a Langstroth, to start. Some reduce this to 9 or even 8 when using drawn comb. Sounds like a real success story otherwise. That big a colony should make lots of honey -- IF they don't swarm. Good luck! --PK You wrote: > > >Hi, > > The brood box that was my first >attempt to assemble a beehive, is a >resounding success at producing brood, >and bees ... but : > > They've built comb in EVERY direction, >regardless the foundation . > > I started to take your advice about >checking each frame, did actually pull >two, but found the whole thing so interwoven, >that trying to put it back together was a >disaster . > > I'm not real disappointed, like I >wrote, they're all-over three deep supers, >and two shallow supers, it must be a >huge success, in terms of population; >but I can't pull frames in the brood >box, without totally wrecking the hive . > > Where did I go wrong ? > >Ken . > -- "All good reasoning is offensive." --Henri Stendhal From tjwestern@bigpond.com Sat Jun 12 22:58:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3762EE0E.F27BD010@bigpond.com> From: Terry Western X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey for sale! References: <7jtito$p2s$1@uk25.supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:32:30 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.227.150 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 929230202 139.134.227.150 (Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:30:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:30:02 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:98 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18287 In Australia we can get up to A$1.70 per kilo from the major honey packers. If we pack and sell it ourselves we can get A$6.00 per kilo packed in jars of 500 grams. However to keep bees and market the honey takes a great deal of time. Best regards Terry Shu2217 wrote: > I'm has unlimited amount of natural honey!!! > I'm from Russia > > Anybody please talk me - where (at Europe) I can sale my Honey??? > or who can buy it! > I also want to know - how price of Honey at in a different countries!? > > My e-mail is shurik166@softhome.net > > please answer anybody!!! > Shurik > > (sorry for bad English) From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any bee experts out there Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 21:49:17 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <19990610221723.09002.00000381@ng-co1.aol.com> <19990611223529.01328.00000381@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:47:14 GMT X-Trace: 929227634.980.63 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18288 Hi, How can y'all run backwards fast enough to get away, and still to see if they got bands, at all ? If mine have bands at all, they must be bagpipe bands, when their Black Watch comes after me . Ken . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/11/99 7:35PM, in message <19990611223529.01328.00000381@ng-fv1.aol.com>, LauraMLeek wrote: Aren't there five banded Italians also or is that just one of my many bee dreams? Laura From ernie@whro.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: ernie@whro.net (E.L.Scofield, Jr.) Subject: Re: Propolis buster References: <3761A641.FB3F0AD4@midtown.net> <19990611203941.07651.00000880@ng-ca1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8zq83.2078$EU.126287@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:24:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.82 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 929183044 198.76.162.82 (Sat, 12 Jun 1999 06:24:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 06:24:04 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18289 I've always used denatured but I'll have to try Everclear as I could always put a little in my grapefruit juice. Ernie Scofield >>Is there any super-duper propolis dissolver? >> > >sure is > >ethyl alcohol > >" Everclear " works real good > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 12 22:58:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contrary bees, can't take a hint . Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:06:48 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 91 Message-ID: <7jv0fe$ci5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.71 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 929236270 12869 12.72.51.71 (13 Jun 1999 01:11:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 1999 01:11:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18290 If you used 10 frames pushed tight together then my guess is you used Duragilt. I have had problems with it in deeps even with huge swarms which will normally draw a great deal of quality comb rapidly. Once the bees chew off the wax, Duragilt is worthless. On the other hand, I've had success with it in medium honey supers.. Real Name: wrote in message news:N.061299.144922.91@i-link-2.net... > Hi, > > The brood box that was my first > attempt to assemble a beehive, is a > resounding success at producing brood, > and bees ... but : > > They've built comb in EVERY direction, > regardless the foundation . > > I started to take your advice about > checking each frame, did actually pull > two, but found the whole thing so interwoven, > that trying to put it back together was a > disaster . > > I'm not real disappointed, like I > wrote, they're all-over three deep supers, > and two shallow supers, it must be a > huge success, in terms of population; > but I can't pull frames in the brood > box, without totally wrecking the hive . > > Where did I go wrong ? > > Ken . > > > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 6/10/99 6:07AM, in message > <375fb7b2.225085875@news3.usenetserver.com>, Dave > Hamilton wrote: > > Just nails > > two down from the top bar on each end .. two up from > the bottom bar on > each end and the most important nail is one from > each side into top > bar, diagonally upward. This is the "usual" way. > > I know people with nail guns will put all the nails > in from the side > bars, through the little tabs into the top and > bottom bars, > horizontally. If you tried this with a hammer you > would split a bunch > of tabs open. > > When you nail the split rail back in .. it is a good > idea to leave the > 5/8" nails stick out a bit so you can pull them to > replace foundation. > > Dave > > On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:08:24 -0700, NewBeekeeper > > wrote: > > > I am just starting out, got my first hives & > frames delivered knocked > >- down, I have assembled the hive bodies & supers, > now I need to know do > >I > >- assemble the frames & foundation with glue & > nails? (using Plasti > >cell). > > I am uncertain wether or not I should just nail > them up so that down > >- the road if I want to replace the foundation I > can disassemble them > > or does everybody just buy/make new frames when > the old ones get > >- damaged? > > > >Any infor appreciated! > > > > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 12 22:58:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contrary bees, can't take a hint . Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 1999 01:55:42 GMT References: <7jv0fe$ci5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990612215542.07586.00001073@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18291 You gotta fix the problems as they happen and put the kind of screwy comb next to one that is drawn straight and true so they get the idea.(After scraping the screwy comb off) If you wait untill the whole thing is bollixed up then you have a chore and a mess. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 12 22:58:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beehive -landing board Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 1999 01:57:01 GMT References: <19990612183911.17311.00001825@ngol08.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990612215701.07586.00001074@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18292 No landing board is needed - it is just another piece of gear to keep painted. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cool beekeeper clothing Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jun 1999 03:03:18 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18365 I often hear of outdoor gardeners etc complaining about biting insects such as mosquitos, black flies, deer flies, horse flies etc. They say they are going to get a head to toe beekeepers suit. The likely response back is that you will cook in the heat. If beekeepers have to work on their hives on the best of days (sunny and hot) when the bees are out foraging. How do they manage in the heat? Are there any tips in what you wear to beat the sweltering heat. I myself have worn a fly screen top and in no time was sweating gum drops. What would it be like in a beekeepers outfit? Al From jcounce@jemez.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: "Jim Counce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie questions Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:06:00 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-059.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18366 Sorry, but I have a question about my hive. I see lots of bees gathered outside the entrance during the daytime, it is quite a mass of bees. Can anyone tell me what this means or even if it means anything. -- Jim Counce email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-161.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will Apistan ruin my honey? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:36:06 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <37628ea2.0@news.busprod.com> <7k1ahd$pct$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k38nd$nuo$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7k3frk$5pg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3765AFF3.514319D8@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.a1 X-Server-Date: 15 Jun 1999 03:38:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18367 In article <3765AFF3.514319D8@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: > greetings, > > part of the confusion may stem from your use of the term 'super' when referring to > the bottom boxes of your hive [which i think you are doing]. AHA! You're right! I'm talking about the two bottom boxes! For take-away honey, I'm going to put on a third, medium super. :) >the term 'super' > generally refers to the boxes that are placed on the hive to collect excess honey > [superstructure]. the boxes that are left in place for the bees to raise brood > and store honey to make it through the winter are known by various terms, hive > bodies or brood boxes, to name a couple. I was wondering about that term: brood chamber! >if you use the same size boxes for brood > and supering, then they can be interchangeable, although many beekeepers refrain > from using comb that has been used to raise brood, since it becomes discolored > with use [and may contain trace amounts of chemicals like fluvalinate, too.] in > my case i run my hives with 3 deeps as brood boxes, and medium supers on top. no > chance of mix-up that way. and yes, it's a LOT of bees and a lot of honey. > > don't worry about un'hatched' bees behind the strips. i've never seen dead brood, > when i removed the strips. guess they manage to squeeze out. even if you did > lose a few that way, the loss would be minimal compared to the benefit of superior > contact between cluster and strips. That's what I figured. Thanks for the info! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jun 1999 03:03:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990614230317.04590.00000050@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18368 Does it matter the type of paint or glue used on the exterior of the hive in its construction? I expect not to use the hive until both are thoroughly dried and all lingering odour is gone. I'm tempted to use the most durable materials and of my own preference. Or do I have to use special beehive paint and special beehive glue at a premium price. I would assume that interior of hive is of most concern to the bees and they cover it with propolis anyway..Wild bees nest in the most unlikely places. Al From nospam@home.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <376481AE.F8B0B487@sk.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Impending swarm Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:00:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 929419215 24.6.224.103 (Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:00:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:00:15 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18369 Actually, I did that as I was removing the queen cells. I had heard about this many years ago. It's called shook swarming I think. I'm glad you confirmed that method as a possibility. I'll soon know if it worked. George >You could also try shaking all the bees on the > ground in front of their hive and replacing all the frames in the same order > they were in. A queen breeder in california told me that one. Good luck > From miel@ix.netcom.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ....land of milk and honey? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:02:08 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3765DE50.4FD7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ali-ca36-26.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 15 12:03:27 AM CDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18370 As the only beekeeper in my Bible study class, I was asked to do a presentation on the Biblical references to bees and honey. Any Israeli beekeepers out there could shed some light on this often quoted phrase in the Old Testament? thanks, Vivian From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rtaremote1.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did the ladies leave me? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:58:02 +0100 Message-ID: <929447574.10359.0.nnrp-11.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> References: <37600faa.247605765@news3.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929447574 nnrp-11:10359 NO-IDENT rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18371 Dave Try putting in a frame of eggs from another colony and if there is a problem they should make an emergency queen. If they do produce queen cells leave than to it for 4 weeks before checking again. Graham Dave Hamilton wrote in message <37600faa.247605765@news3.usenetserver.com>... >One of my hives (just started from a nuc this year) has lots of bees >so someone has been laying. Started on foundation and its all pulled >out so everything seems good except I just noticed no capped brood or >larva/eggs. The others started the same day have the bottom box full >of brood. > >Do I assume the queen left with some bees (swarmed) and I missed it? > >I don't see any swarm cells or emerency queen cells, open or closed. > >I don't see a significant number of drones. > >Ideas, I'll tear apart tonight and see if I can find a queen. > >Dave From michel_crichton@mitel.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!nr.dist.news.psi.net!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvesting/extracting honey Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <%er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:59:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:59:55 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18372 Flow is going well up here in central Ontario. I am about to start harvesting some of the honey. I have read/heard that at least 70% of a frame must be capped before extracting. Is this figure correct? If you have two frames and one is 90% capped and the other is 50% capped (average of 70% between the two) is it ok to extract them together then? What happens if I extract without allowing 70% to be capped? I have read that the honey will possibly begin fermenting? Why is this? Thanks for any help you can offer, Mich From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rtaremote1.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive in School Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:18:03 +0100 Message-ID: <929448773.10899.0.nnrp-11.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> References: <929262494@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929448773 nnrp-11:10899 NO-IDENT rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18373 Hi Steve, I would not recommend a full size colony of bees. With the best will in the world the quietest bees have their off days. As some of the replies have already mentioned an observation hive would be much better and more educational as the life cycle can be observed. This is now part of the curriculum in the UK so should be useful. I have kept an observation hive in the local school for many years without a problem. One interesting observation is that the temper of observation hove bees are always (in my experience) good this may be due to the smaller population or scent of humans continually adjacent to the colony. Graham Steven Turner wrote in message <929262494@zbee.com>... >Hello All, >I've been asked to provide a bee hive for a local primary school >for the wildlife area. The headmaster has asked for a risk assessment >to be written, does anybody have some advise before embarking on this project. > >Thanks in advance > >STEVEN TURNER >G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. >http://www.kentbee.com/ >Email: beeman@zbee.com > >... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 19 10:46:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting/extracting honey Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jun 1999 12:34:19 GMT References: <%er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990615083419.11251.00000007@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18374 Try to have as much capped as you can - shake the frame hard if it "rains" it is not ready. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From prw3@york.ac.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: paul waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question.... (possible swarming) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:26:04 -0700 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 33 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <37669ABB.A56B51A7@york.ac.uk> References: <19990614122851.00748.00000239@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 929445966 5821 144.32.212.17 (15 Jun 1999 11:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:26:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18375 Thanks for the advice. It was quite a sight a cloud of bees filling the local area. I put my suit on and stood in the middle of it just watching them all milling about. I guess that my immediate reaction was to panic a bit this being an urban area. I am also worried that I may have damaged the queen cells but if there is a few of them then I hope that I will be alrigth. Just to be on the safe side and to prepare myself for the worst. Just supposing that the two cells that got crushed as I opened up the hive were the only queen cells what is the likely thing that will happen next. Sorry to sound paranoid but it is better if I am aware of what is likely to happen. Thanks once again for the advice Paul. GardenWrks wrote: > > It sounds like you think your hive swarmed. Trust your own judgement. > One of my hives swarmed a few weeks ago. I had noticed a considerable increase > in drone brood and drones previous to the swarm. > Perhaps it's because as the queen slims down to flying weight for the swarm > journey her reproductive organs become less efficient. > When bees construct queen cells before swarming they usually construct from 5 > to 15, so if you damaged a few there are probably more than a few more that are > still intact. > Since it's going to be a few weeks before the new queen hatches, gets mated and > starts laying eggs, be prepared to see your colony's population get much > smaller as many of the remaining bees die of old age. From tceisele@mtu.edu Sat Jun 19 10:46:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beehive -landing board Date: 15 Jun 1999 12:46:58 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7k5i02$foj$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <19990612183911.17311.00001825@ngol08.aol.com> <3765981B.35E251AA@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18376 Chris Allen wrote: : You might have a different name for "compressed fibro" in your country. It is : commonly use in the building industry as a substitute for timber floors in the : bathrooms and toilets because it is water resistant and well suited for laying : ceramic tiles. Its colour is concrete grey and is made in sheets of 1200 mm by 2400 : mm and about 12 mm thick. It is heavy & must be cut with a power saw fitted with a : masonry disk (lots of dust, wear mask and goggles) This sounds like a good idea (I currently have my hives up on cement blocks, with old shingles on the ground to keep down the grass and weeds). Here in the U. S. (Michigan), they sell something that sounds like what you describe, under the trade name "Wonderboard" (we have some left over from remodelling the bathroom, I'll have to give it a try). It doesn't have to be cut with a masonry saw, you can (with difficulty) cut the fibers with a utility knife, then snap it off like gypsum wallboard. The edge isn't as neat as a saw would make it, but it should be OK for use with beehives. Thanks for the pointer! -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From admin@vladam.aip.mk.ua Sat Jun 19 10:46:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!news.ts.kiev.ua!scelto.ts.kiev.ua!news.aip.mk.ua!not-for-mail From: "÷ÌÁÄ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ðÒÏÄÁÅÍ Ï×ÏÝÉ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:44:08 +0300 Organization: "÷ÌÁÄÁÍ" Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7k4spd$4q0$1@shark.aip.mk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-up-line9.aip.mk.ua X-Trace: shark.aip.mk.ua 929429101 4928 193.125.86.42 (15 Jun 1999 06:45:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@shark.aip.mk.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 1999 06:45:01 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18377 æÉÒÍÁ "÷ÌÁÄÁÍ" ÐÒÏÄÁÅÔ ÏÐÔÏÍ É × ÒÏÚÎÉÃÕ ÌÕË, Ó×ÅËÌÕ, ËÁÐÕÓÔÕ. úÁ ÄÏÐÏÌÎÉÔÅÌØÎÏÊ ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÅÊ ÏÂÒÁÝÁÔØÓÑ ÐÏ ÁÄÒÅÓÕ: Ç. îÉËÏÌÁÅ×, ÕÌ.â. íÏÒÓËÁÑ 102/7 ÔÅÌ:36-60-03 ÆÁËÓ:50-04-92 áÄÒÅÓ ÜÌÅËÔÒÏÎÎÏÊ ÐÏÞÔÙ:admin@vladam.aip.mk.ua From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rtaremote1.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd behavior for a queen...I think Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:04:49 +0100 Message-ID: <929447979.10524.0.nnrp-11.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> References: <7jab23$8j4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929447979 nnrp-11:10524 NO-IDENT rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18378 Possibly the normal level of pheromones was disrupted by the new colony environment / ventilation and their first reaction was to build a queen cell as the old queen pheromone level suddenly changed (up or down). Graham George Styer wrote in message <7jab23$8j4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >Put 1 deep and 1 med frame in observation hive yesterday to take to the kids >school. Had the marked queen along with a good sampling of eggs, larva and >sealed brood. By this afternoon they had built a queen cup on the bottom bar >between the frames. This evening, her highness is diligently working on >tearing down the cup with her mandibles. She worked on it a good 15 minutes >until it was completely gone. > >I don't recall ever reading about this kind of behavior. I know the cell was >not there when I put them in the observation. Anyone have an explaination? > > From tceisele@mtu.edu Sat Jun 19 10:46:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to start bee Keeping? Date: 15 Jun 1999 12:49:08 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7k5i44$foj$2@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <37646390.3E9E350B@switchedon.com.au> <3765B18B.9C281E2@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18379 Chris Allen wrote: : Bear in mind that a lot of what you read on the web works well for : people in the frozen north but does not apply in the tropics or : sub-tropics And vice versa. I live in the "frozen north", and a lot of the information I find only applies to the sub-tropics. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did the ladies leave me? Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <376683dc.78102484@news3.usenetserver.com> References: <37600faa.247605765@news3.usenetserver.com> <929447574.10359.0.nnrp-11.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 37 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:49:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 929465700 207.91.44.54 (Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:55:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:55:00 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18380 I looked again when I put suppers on the other hives and still not an egg to bee seen .. couldn't find a queen .. since these are now 3 weeks behind .. I may just try to combine with another hive using newspaper. Dave On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:58:02 +0100, "Graham Law" wrote: >Dave >Try putting in a frame of eggs from another colony and if there is a problem >they should make an emergency queen. >If they do produce queen cells leave than to it for 4 weeks before checking >again. >Graham > >Dave Hamilton wrote in message ><37600faa.247605765@news3.usenetserver.com>... >>One of my hives (just started from a nuc this year) has lots of bees >>so someone has been laying. Started on foundation and its all pulled >>out so everything seems good except I just noticed no capped brood or >>larva/eggs. The others started the same day have the bottom box full >>of brood. >> >>Do I assume the queen left with some bees (swarmed) and I missed it? >> >>I don't see any swarm cells or emerency queen cells, open or closed. >> >>I don't see a significant number of drones. >> >>Ideas, I'll tear apart tonight and see if I can find a queen. >> >>Dave > > From jimowen@swbell.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3766959C.22854472@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting/extracting honey References: <%er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:04:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.57.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 929469504 151.164.57.13 (Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:58:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:58:24 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18381 Try to get as much capped as possible (which has already had the water evaporate off, and cured), otherwise the combined moisture content will be too high and it WILL ferment. The reason is that yeast need a certain concentration of sugars to water and anything above that percentage inhibits the yeast's growth. It's sort of like an extremely rich mixture in your car... too much gas, and the car dies (a layman's answer, but you get the idea) Jim Michel Crichton wrote: > > Flow is going well up here in central Ontario. I am about to start > harvesting some of the honey. I have read/heard that at least 70% of a > frame must be capped before extracting. Is this figure correct? If you > have two frames and one is 90% capped and the other is 50% capped (average > of 70% between the two) is it ok to extract them together then? What > happens if I extract without allowing 70% to be capped? I have read that > the honey will possibly begin fermenting? Why is this? > > Thanks for any help you can offer, > Mich From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Sat Jun 19 10:46:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990614230317.04590.00000050@ngol05.aol.com> Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:50:34 -0400 Lines: 11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <376693ba.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 15 Jun 1999 12:56:10 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18382 I use Titebond II Wood Glue, non toxic and is FDA approved for food contact. Any good hardware store should have this stuff on hand. For paint I use a good latex paint. I always give them another coat year after year as they do get dirty from the weather. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie questions Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:58:06 GMT References: <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990615155806.02275.00000276@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18383 Massing of bees on the outside of a hive could mean one of several things: 1) The bees are too hot to be inside the hive. 2) Massing bees are a common sign of swarming. Since we are in the middle of the swarming season in most parts of the country, I'd assume your bees are getting ready to swarm. By the time the bees start massing like that, it is too late to do anything about it. Keep a close eye on it, and maybe you can catch the swarm when it emerges and lands nearby. Good luck! From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cool beekeeper clothing Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:05:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7k6b6h$26h$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-113.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929476625 2257 62.136.12.241 (15 Jun 1999 19:57:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:57:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18384 Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com... > I often hear of outdoor gardeners etc complaining about biting insects such as > mosquitos, black flies, deer flies, horse flies etc. They say they are going to > get a head to toe beekeepers suit. The likely response back is that you will > cook in the heat. > If beekeepers have to work on their hives on the best of days (sunny and hot) > when the bees are out foraging. How do they manage in the heat? You don't wear anything else under the suit. I don't, anyway. Mary B Are there any > tips in what you wear to beat the sweltering heat. I myself have worn a fly > screen top and in no time was sweating gum drops. > What would it be like in a beekeepers outfit? > Al From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie questions Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:11:07 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7k6c4p$mlp$1@gxsn.com> References: <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.226.41 X-Trace: 929477593 1NNUCNF1GE229C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18385 Jim Find out what's happening inside the hive There are things that could be done if they are about to swarm Artificial swarm for instance Could be it's too warm inside and they are outside fanning air into the hive Chris Jim Counce wrote in message <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com>... >Sorry, but I have a question about my hive. I see lots of bees gathered >outside the entrance during the daytime, it is quite a mass of bees. Can >anyone tell me what this means or even if it means anything. > >-- >Jim Counce >email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com >home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cool beekeeper clothing Date: Tue, 15 Jun 99 08:50:53 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.76 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:48:43 GMT X-Trace: 929440123.558.4 KRFRRPH9I1C4CCF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18386 Hi, Oh, and don't forget the duct tape . Keep yer stick on the ice, Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/14/99 9:44PM, in message , Real Name: wrote: Hi, My favorite trick, is to soak a long towel till it drips, wrap it around the back of my neck, and across to the opposite elbow . USE CLEAN TOWEL ! USE CLEAN WATER ! Find the long one, that will reach all the way to the point of your elbow . If it's only warm, as opposed to hot, you can even wear a quilted shirt, that will hold the moisture, but still warm you a little bit . Put it under your long sleeved shirt, a few minutes before you put on your bee suit, and let it cool you off, before you get started . A REALLY good trick . Works good . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/14/99 8:03PM, in message <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com>, Jajwuth wrote: I often hear of outdoor gardeners etc complaining about biting insects such as mosquitos, black flies, deer flies, horse flies etc. They say they are going to get a head to toe beekeepers suit. The likely response back is that you will cook in the heat. If beekeepers have to work on their hives on the best of days (sunny and hot) when the bees are out foraging. How do they manage in the heat? Are there any tips in what you wear to beat the sweltering heat. I myself have worn a fly screen top and in no time was sweating gum drops. What would it be like in a beekeepers outfit? Al From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news4.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3766357D.E2748C12@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue References: <19990614230317.04590.00000050@ngol05.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:14:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.41 X-Trace: news4.mco 929445285 209.214.198.41 (Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:14:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:14:45 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18387 Jajwuth wrote: > Does it matter the type of paint or glue used on the exterior of the hive in its > construction? I have grown very fond of the new-ish polyurethane glues for all my woodworking projects. It is waterproof (not submersible), very strong, and has wonderful gap filling properties (which really comes in handy with the sloppy joins in beekeepers woodenware). Be careful about cleanup; it is very hard to clean up after it has set. In the U.S. brands are Elmer's Probond, Gorilla, etc. Bill Daniels From apipop@club-internet.fr Sat Jun 19 10:46:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting/extracting honey Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:42:38 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7k6c59$1kc$2@front6.grolier.fr> References: <%er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-2-145.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front6.grolier.fr 929477609 1676 195.36.154.145 (15 Jun 1999 20:13:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 1999 20:13:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18388 Bonjour, Every frame you take out for extracting MUST at least have 70% capped cells. But its just an indication. I had one hive were honey was fermenting inside capped cells !!!! Since that, I do my best to harvest fully capped frames only. The best way to be about sure honey will not ferment is to measure the water content, that must be below 18 %. But I had a 15 % harvest that has fermented. For water % measurement you need a refractometer which is one kind of monocular with a prism designed to measure refraction of the light caused by a drop of honey. A % scale let you know how dry is your sample. This tool is rather expensive (~ 300 to 400 $) and could be shared by beekeeper's clubs for instance. Rgds apipop Michel Crichton a écrit dans le message : %er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net... > Flow is going well up here in central Ontario. I am about to start > harvesting some of the honey. I have read/heard that at least 70% of a > frame must be capped before extracting. Is this figure correct? If you > have two frames and one is 90% capped and the other is 50% capped (average > of 70% between the two) is it ok to extract them together then? What > happens if I extract without allowing 70% to be capped? I have read that > the honey will possibly begin fermenting? Why is this? > > Thanks for any help you can offer, > Mich > > From beeman@kingston.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie questions Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:47:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3766BBD5.46BF7829@kingston.net> References: <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.23.168 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:45:41 GMT X-Trace: 929479541.867.101 QANSHOMNI17A8CE2FC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18389 I see lots of bees gathered outside the entrance during the daytime, it is quite a mass of bees. Can anyone tell me what this means or even if it means anything. 1. It could be that your hive is going to swarm. 2. It could be the hive is to hot. 3. There might not be a nectar flow right now. Did you check your hive for queen cells? Does you hive have some type of ventilation or protection from the midday sun? From twentyone@clara.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k3lqr$tl8$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Help! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <7uA93.270$nh.9189@nnrp4.clara.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:30:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.84.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 929485827 195.8.84.43 (Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:30:27 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:30:27 BST Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18390 Geoff On a more realistic note - you have to decide - are they are upsetting your household? If they are - act as wasps and destroy the colony. If they are not then leave well alone and the bees will do the same to you. Nick PS You conservatory is simply a navigation hazard. From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie questions Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:03:37 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929486094 nnrp-07:7539 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18391 Jim, a few possibilities 1, Too many bees...add more space or artificial swarm 2. Preparing to swarm, (1) above will lead to this anyway 3. The queens been lost/ killed during a manipulation and their out looking 4. You looked just as the temperature is optimum for the first flight of the day and you looked just as they have all piled out. Graham In article <7k4cfc$sii@news1.newsguy.com>, Jim Counce writes >Sorry, but I have a question about my hive. I see lots of bees gathered >outside the entrance during the daytime, it is quite a mass of bees. Can >anyone tell me what this means or even if it means anything. > >-- >Jim Counce >email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com >home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html > > Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 19 10:46:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beehive -landing board Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:51:22 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3766F509.13125716@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990612183911.17311.00001825@ngol08.aol.com> <3765981B.35E251AA@ozemail.com.au> <7k5i02$foj$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929494250 15697 203.63.79.234 (16 Jun 1999 00:50:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1999 00:50:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18392 "Timothy C. Eisele" wrote: > > > Here in the U. S. (Michigan), they sell something that sounds > like what you describe, under the trade name "Wonderboard" (we have > some left over from remodelling the bathroom, I'll have to give it a > try). It doesn't have to be cut with a masonry saw, you can (with > difficulty) cut the fibers with a utility knife, then snap it off like > gypsum wallboard. The edge isn't as neat as a saw would make it, but > it should be OK for use with beehives. > This sounds like what we call "vilaboard" which is used for the walls of wet rooms. It is about 6 mm thick. This stuff does not last very long underneath a hive. It becomes brittle and breaks up into smaller pieces. The grass then grows up through the cracks. You have to replace it every 1 or 2 years. The heavy duty "compressed fibro" lasts for ever. Mind you, the heavy stuff is more expensive. Replacing the light weight stuff every so often may be cheaper in the long run. It depends on how many hives & how much un-used scrap is left over after cutting up a full size sheet. With a few friends, you could share the cost of the full sheet. From user@txk.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!nntp2.lotsanews.com.MISMATCH!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Tim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees out of a brick chimney Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:31:48 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mtp1-pm3-pppuser24.bluebonnet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18393 Any suggestions how to get honey bees out of a brick chimney? Bees have probably been in chimney for a couple months. Tried foggers and wasp spray with no luck. Thanks, Tim From aleciaf@hotmail.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alecia Warner" Subject: Beekeeping for the garden Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 98.houston-35rs.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.73.249.98 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 929495286147 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <%NC93.9397$Xr4.76478@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:08:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 929495291 216.200.3.205 (Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:08:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:08:11 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18394 Hello all fellow beekeepers, Just wanted to introduce myself and say "hi." I am from Longview Texas and got interested in beekeeping because of our garden and the educational experience it would be for our whole family. We homeschool our son, and since he showed a real interest in beekeeping, why not? We called up our local beekeeper (in his 80's and very knowledgeable) sold us a complete hive. The hive weighs about 65 pound already, and we were told that we would need to put another super in about two weeks. The master beekeeper treated the hive for mites for us- a concoction of grease and sugar. Hopefully this will fiend the mites off for a while. The whole family headed to the library and introduced our eyes to many pages of bee reading and learned quite a bit, but nothing could have personally prepared me for the gentleness of the bees. In my minds eye I just knew that the first time they saw my white legs (I am a red-head and very light skinned) I would be stung to death! Instead I have already learned how gentle the bees are and already they are covering my purple hull peas and hurrying back with legs full of pollen. The reading we have done as been so interesting. I never knew learning about bees would be so intriguing. We are nevous about robbing the nest of the honey when that time comes, but plan to offer our strong backs to the master beekeeper with his hives to help us to be more prepared when our time comes. Hope I have not bored the group with my prattle, but I felt like it is always nice to introduce yourself and say hi, hopefully learn a few things to boot! Alecia Warner Always open to new ideas, and bright tommorows! -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive in School Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 02:54:18 GMT References: <929448773.10899.0.nnrp-11.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990615225418.20181.00000012@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18395 I think this gentleman is asking for help in WRITING A RISK ASSESSMENT. From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cool beekeeper clothing Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:47:30 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37671042.B071C428@valley.net> References: <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18396 Jajwuth wrote: > I often hear of outdoor gardeners etc complaining about biting insects such as > mosquitos, black flies, deer flies, horse flies etc. They say they are going to > get a head to toe beekeepers suit. The likely response back is that you will > cook in the heat. > If beekeepers have to work on their hives on the best of days (sunny and hot) > when the bees are out foraging. How do they manage in the heat? Are there any > tips in what you wear to beat the sweltering heat. I myself have worn a fly > screen top and in no time was sweating gum drops. > What would it be like in a beekeepers outfit? > Al i have a full nylon sherriff's bee suit. it is supposedly cooler to wear than a traditional thick cotton bee suit, but it is still pretty warm to wear in the summer. i always put on a cotton, elastic headband beforehand. that keeps the sweat out of my eyes, off the tip of my nose and from splashing out of the veil and into the hive, which irritates the bees. dress lightly underneath, shorts, tee shirt, etc. i'll probably jinx myself, but in 3 years i've yet to be stung through this suit, even when it's been wet from my sweat and clinging to my arms and legs. for quick visits to the hive, when i'm not planning any manipulations, i just put on a bee veil/hat combo. btw, the sherriff's suit has a veil that is fine enough to screen out black flies. at this time of year that is a REAL advantage here in new hampshire. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 03:08:05 GMT References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18397 How will it possibly take twelve years to eliminate it from the hive? Could you please explain? With some type of reference. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 03:09:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990615230918.20181.00000026@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18398 Hey Stretch...... How do you eat cut comb honey if you cannot eat the wax.....?Hmmm :-) Laura From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:07:28 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 35 Message-ID: <376714F0.7E9E114C@valley.net> References: <%NC93.9397$Xr4.76478@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18399 Alecia Warner wrote: > Hello all fellow beekeepers, > > Just wanted to introduce myself and say "hi." > > > > Hope I have not bored the group with my prattle, but I felt like it is > always nice to introduce yourself and say hi, hopefully learn a few > things to boot! > > Alecia Warner > Always open to new ideas, and bright tommorows! > congratulations and welcome aboard! sounds like you are off to a great start, and your apprenticeship with an experienced beekeeper will pay great dividends down the road. don't worry about boring us [you're not]. we do that to each other all the time. [right, kevin? ;) ] always room around the extractor for a new bee story. <--- note sly double-meaning bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:57:20 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3767128F.5D5D5E25@valley.net> References: <19990614230317.04590.00000050@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18400 Jajwuth wrote: > Does it matter the type of paint or glue used on the exterior of the hive in > its construction? I expect not to use the hive until both are thoroughly dried > and all lingering odour is gone. > I'm tempted to use the most durable materials and of my own preference. Or do I > have to use special beehive paint and special beehive glue at a premium price. > I would assume that interior of hive is of most concern to the bees and they > cover it with propolis anyway..Wild bees nest in the most unlikely places. > Al for glue, i'd recommend any of the newer, super wood glues. some of them are gap-filling. will take the moisture and temperature extremes much better than standard glues. available at any hardware store or 'home-owner-do-it-yourselfer-all-in-one-place-including-the-kitchen-sink' superstore. don't use basic elmer's. for paint, i use a 'best quality' exterior latex paint. semi-gloss. white. this year it's dutch boy. this group is mixed regarding interior painting of hive boxes. fwiw, i don't paint 'em, but i do paint the inside of the bottom board. the better quality you use up front, the longer your woodenware will last. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-80.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:25:50 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990615230918.20181.00000026@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.50 X-Server-Date: 16 Jun 1999 04:26:10 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18401 In article <19990615230918.20181.00000026@ng-fv1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: > Hey Stretch...... > > How do you eat cut comb honey if you cannot eat the wax.....?Hmmm :-) > > Laura I dunno... that was exactly the quandary my friend was in... she didn't know what to do with this honey... which was a gift. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting/extracting honey Message-ID: References: <%er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> <7k6c59$1kc$2@front6.grolier.fr> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.216 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 929510030 216.100.28.216 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:13:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:13:50 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:18:21 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18402 C'est un bon idée monsieur, merci. In article <7k6c59$1kc$2@front6.grolier.fr>, apipop@club-internet.fr says... > Bonjour, > Every frame you take out for extracting MUST at least have 70% capped cells. But its just an > indication. I had one hive were honey was fermenting inside capped cells !!!! Since that, I > do my best to harvest fully capped frames only. The best way to be about sure honey will not > ferment is to measure the water content, that must be below 18 %. But I had a 15 % harvest > that has fermented. > For water % measurement you need a refractometer which is one kind of monocular with a prism > designed to measure refraction of the light caused by a drop of honey. A % scale let you > know how dry is your sample. This tool is rather expensive (~ 300 to 400 $) and could be > shared by beekeeper's clubs for instance. > Rgds apipop > > Michel Crichton a écrit dans le message : > %er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net... > > Flow is going well up here in central Ontario. I am about to start > > harvesting some of the honey. I have read/heard that at least 70% of a > > frame must be capped before extracting. Is this figure correct? If you > > have two frames and one is 90% capped and the other is 50% capped (average > > of 70% between the two) is it ok to extract them together then? What > > happens if I extract without allowing 70% to be capped? I have read that > > the honey will possibly begin fermenting? Why is this? > > > > Thanks for any help you can offer, > > Mich > > > > > > > From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 19 10:46:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:05:47 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37673EBB.4BAC5C54@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990615230918.20181.00000026@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929513117 24839 203.63.79.234 (16 Jun 1999 06:05:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1999 06:05:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18403 There are 2 common methods. 1) Put the whole lot in your mouth and chew. As you crush the comb (& swallow the honey) the wax gets mould into 1 or 2 lumps (a bit like stiff chewing gum). You can swallow the wax. If you don't like to swallow, "spit" it out (like chewing gum) 2) Cut the comb into thin slices and spread it on your bread. As you chew, the wax is mixed with the bread and you won't notice it as you swallow. If toast the bread first, some wax may even melt into the bread (work fast). LauraMLeek wrote: > Hey Stretch...... > > How do you eat cut comb honey if you cannot eat the wax.....?Hmmm :-) > > Laura From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jun 19 10:46:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 08:40:48 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1835F7A14S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <8zq83.2078$EU.126287@monger.newsread.com> <19990612073656.25603.00001061@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18404 In article <19990612073656.25603.00001061@ng-fw1.aol.com> hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: >Most will remember my note on the use of boiling Lye water used to clean >wooden ware. This works very well, removes anything, leaves the wooden >frames bright and looking just like new. Having never used lye, I don't know but have read that lye leaves wooden frames quite brittle. Kevin, you advocate lye baths often. Comments on the "brittle" rumor? Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cool beekeeper clothing Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 13:20:58 GMT References: <37671042.B071C428@valley.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990616092058.08877.00000039@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18405 Bill Greenrose writes: >btw, the sherriff's suit has a veil that is fine enough to screen out black >flies. >at this time of year that is a REAL advantage here in new hampshire. Thats good to know I'll have to contend with black flies, mosquitoes, deer flies, horse flies (all in droves) in addition to the bees. Al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cool beekeeper clothing Date: Tue, 15 Jun 99 04:44:23 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.139 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:42:15 GMT X-Trace: 929425335.207.54 KRFRRPH9I988BCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18406 Hi, My favorite trick, is to soak a long towel till it drips, wrap it around the back of my neck, and across to the opposite elbow . USE CLEAN TOWEL ! USE CLEAN WATER ! Find the long one, that will reach all the way to the point of your elbow . If it's only warm, as opposed to hot, you can even wear a quilted shirt, that will hold the moisture, but still warm you a little bit . Put it under your long sleeved shirt, a few minutes before you put on your bee suit, and let it cool you off, before you get started . A REALLY good trick . Works good . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/14/99 8:03PM, in message <19990614230318.04590.00000051@ngol05.aol.com>, Jajwuth wrote: I often hear of outdoor gardeners etc complaining about biting insects such as mosquitos, black flies, deer flies, horse flies etc. They say they are going to get a head to toe beekeepers suit. The likely response back is that you will cook in the heat. If beekeepers have to work on their hives on the best of days (sunny and hot) when the bees are out foraging. How do they manage in the heat? Are there any tips in what you wear to beat the sweltering heat. I myself have worn a fly screen top and in no time was sweating gum drops. What would it be like in a beekeepers outfit? Al From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3767A806.E049C613@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Nucs for sale -- nr. Binghamton, NY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:35:06 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 929539669 24.95.169.104 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:27:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:27:49 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18407 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:101 4 remaining nucs available; were never picked up by intended purchasers very strong; incl. new northern queens, large qty. brood, on 5 frames Contact Dean Frost, in Whitney Point: 607.692.3066 From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping suit -other uses Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 13:20:57 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18408 In the neat little book called Home Honey Production , the author Bill Bielby (inventor of cantenary hive) states the following: "A boiler (beekeeper) suit is a good investment because it can be used for many other jobs in addition to protecting you from angry bees". What other jobs? From lconner@1st.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!206.228.179.2!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ee.net!not-for-mail From: "Lisa Conner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:15:39 -0000 Organization: eNET Inc. Message-ID: <7k8c16$c4d$1@news2.ee.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: port6-26.1st.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18409 My 4 year old and I eat the wax from honeycombs. We cut it in little squares. It's like eatting those wax lips that were around a few years back. lconner@1st.net Real Name: wrote in message news:N.061499.145407.43@i-link-2.net... > Hi, > > Back in the horse and buggy days, > wasn't beeswax one of their common > ingredients ? > > Then again, they went in for snake > oil a lot too . > > Ken . > > > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 6/14/99 12:22PM, in message > , "Nick > Templar" wrote: > > Wax has no food value but it's super roughage - help > you go without > straining! > > Nick > > > > From ttgme@megalink.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3767A870.7C7B3A4@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden References: <%NC93.9397$Xr4.76478@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:36:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.107.9 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 929540969 209.222.107.9 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:49:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:49:29 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18410 Alecia Warner wrote: > Hello all fellow beekeepers, > > Just wanted to introduce myself and say "hi." > > I am from Longview Texas and got interested in beekeeping because of > our garden and the educational experience it would be for our whole > family. We homeschool our son, and since he showed a real interest in > beekeeping, why not? > > We called up our local beekeeper (in his 80's and very knowledgeable) > sold us a complete hive. The hive weighs about 65 pound already, and we > were told that we would need to put another super in about two weeks. > The master beekeeper treated the hive for mites for us- a concoction of > grease and sugar. Hopefully this will fiend the mites off for a while. > > The whole family headed to the library and introduced our eyes to many > pages of bee reading and learned quite a bit, but nothing could have > personally prepared me for the gentleness of the bees. In my minds eye > I just knew that the first time they saw my white legs (I am a red-head > and very light skinned) I would be stung to death! Instead I have > already learned how gentle the bees are and already they are covering > my purple hull peas and hurrying back with legs full of pollen. The > reading we have done as been so interesting. I never knew learning > about bees would be so intriguing. We are nevous about robbing the nest > of the honey when that time comes, but plan to offer our strong backs > to the master beekeeper with his hives to help us to be more prepared > when our time comes. > > Hope I have not bored the group with my prattle, but I felt like it is > always nice to introduce yourself and say hi, hopefully learn a few > things to boot! > > Alecia Warner > Always open to new ideas, and bright tommorows! > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). Your message is not boring at all !! Beekeepers love to tell AND listen to beekeeping stories. One book I would suggest (if you want ALL the in depth info. on bees) is "The Hive and the Honeybee". It will cost approx. $36.00, but has all the info. you will need. I tried to read as much as possible before starting my hives, but, found that no matter how much you read, you're going to learn volumes more by actually working with the bees. I was (and still am) fastenated to watch the little creatures travelling in and out of the hive, hauling all the materials that they need for survival. A beehive is quite a community. Make sure to involve your children in the activities around the hive. I have been into 3 classrooms in the local school to show some of my bees to the kids there. They really love to watch observation hives and learn more about the living beings around them. ENJOY !! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jun 19 10:46:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 08:55:40 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1835F7D8ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news-atl-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18411 In article "Ellen Anglin" writes: > ... a large number of bees exited the hive, and >flew about in a large swirling cloud in front of the hive... >After 5 or ten minutes of excitement, the bees began to settle back >onto the front of the hive. When I got there a few minutes later, all was >quiet, and there was at least a gallon of bees draped over the entrance >board. > This hive has no queen at the moment, but I know they have at least >two ripe queen cells. Could this have been a mating flight? Your bees started to swarm, had no queen, consequently returned to the hive. With ripe cells you can take it to the bank that your hive WILL swarm when the cells hatch. Take swarm control measures or bid them farewell. You don't say but it sounds like you have only a few hives. I suspect shook swarming (artifical swarming) will be your best bet at this late date. Check out Richard Taylor's _The_New_Comb_Honey_ (not sure if the title is correct) for a full description. In a nutshell, shake most of the bees out into a shallow or medium foundation only brood chamber with a queen excluder and at least two foundation only honey supers. Wait and be AMAZED at how quickly this shook swarm draws the foundation and fills it up. You state no queen (how do you know?) so you will have to include a new queen introduction into your shook swarm process. Hive your shook swarm on the original site, move the original hive to a different location at least 10 feet away. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jun 19 10:46:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: source for queen? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 08:48:23 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1835F7BDBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990614122851.00748.00000239@ng-cg1.aol.com> <376579A5.1C5B5000@facstaff.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18412 In article <376579A5.1C5B5000@facstaff.wisc.edu> Ben August writes: keep them in my roladex under "Dial-a-Queen" >I need to get a queen (one) for a single hive... >Could someone please help me located a >place that might ship me one asap? Rossman Apiaries: 1-800-333-7677 I keep them in my roladex under "Dial-a-Queen" Tell Fred "Aaron sent ya!" Aaron Morris - thinking phone call today, queen tomorrow (well, maybe Friday)! From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:29:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7k8fsu$n7j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 16 15:29:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.20, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18413 "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Not if you have used Apistan or Bayvarol - wax absorbs it. > > You should not produce or sell chunk or comb honey if you have used these > products. I understand that if you stop using them it will take 12 years to > eliminate them from the hive. I thought the whole point of restricting Apistan use to times when there is no honey flow on was to prevent contamintion of hive products which will be harvested for human consumption, particularly honey but also the comb in the supers above the lower hive body/ies. Are there data showing that Apistan installed and removed at proper times still contaminates comb not yet drawn? And for the 12 years Peter Edwards mentions? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:14:31 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7k8iq4$7nh$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <%NC93.9397$Xr4.76478@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.174 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 929549956 7921 12.72.48.174 (16 Jun 1999 16:19:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1999 16:19:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18414 Welcome. In your reading, do some research on mites. The grease and sugar will control (emphasis on control, as in not eliminate) tracheal mites. Most who use this method advocate treatment continuously. I tend to favor no treatment for tracheal mites and let the susceptable colonies die out. The other significant mite is the varroa. Grease and sugar is ineffective for these so don't assume that your "master" beekeeper has sufficiently treated for mites. A colony infested with varroa can crash very suddenly. They are the reason you probably noticed a lack of bees in your garden prior to becoming a beekeeper. A good place to get current information is on the many .EDU entomology sites on the net. Most of the books are not revised often enough to keep up with trends, pests and disease. Alecia Warner wrote in message news:%NC93.9397$Xr4.76478@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com... > The master beekeeper treated the hive for mites for us- a concoction of > grease and sugar. Hopefully this will fiend the mites off for a while. > From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive in School Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:08:59 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <929448773.10899.0.nnrp-11.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> <19990615225418.20181.00000012@ng-fv1.aol.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929560185 nnrp-13:6128 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18415 In article <19990615225418.20181.00000012@ng-fv1.aol.com>, LauraMLeek writes >I think this gentleman is asking for help in WRITING A RISK ASSESSMENT. Obviously my assessment of the risk was not to do it, please be more tolerant of advice given with the best of intentions. G Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive in School Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 20:27:25 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990616162725.05874.00000141@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18416 LauraMLeek writes: >>I think this gentleman is asking for help in WRITING A RISK ASSESSMENT. Then Graham writes> >Obviously my assessment of the risk was not to do it, please be more >tolerant of advice given with the best of intentions. > As a person reading the advice on the topic I found it very interesting. From what I recall there was information about observation hives, accidental and intentional disturbance of hives by students, the more people tolerant observation hives are, risk and who assumes it etc. All very interesting information and important to me as well in my career as a beekeeper. Al From n1vxs@juno.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37680B60.C2E73B06@analogic.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:38:56 -0400 From: Howard Cohen Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....land of milk and honey? References: <3765DE50.4FD7@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.41.16 X-Trace: 16 Jun 1999 16:39:31 -0500, 204.178.41.16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.225.159.2!news-out.uswest.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!alognews.analogic.com!204.178.41.16 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18417 You may be interested that the Hebrew word for bee is Devorah, which is the name of the judge Deborah. The word word for honey is devrash. miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > As the only beekeeper in my Bible study class, I was asked to do a > presentation on the Biblical references to bees and honey. Any Israeli > beekeepers out there could shed some light on this often quoted phrase in > the Old Testament? > > thanks, Vivian From ad387@hwcn.org Sat Jun 19 10:46:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!torn!kwon!hone!informer1.cis.mcmaster.ca!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Unpasteurized/pasturised honey Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:54:07 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7k8kso$g14$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.219 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18418 Hi, You may wish to visit the Canadian Honey Council's website and article : http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/pasteur.html Keith From jonathan@talent-centre.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!vislearn.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: Jonathan Robbins Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping suit -other uses Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:44:44 +0100 Organization: The Talent Centre Ltd Message-ID: References: <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: Jonathan NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk:158.152.219.58 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929569642 nnrp-12:16308 NO-IDENT vislearn.demon.co.uk:158.152.219.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 <95WUkXGnMKbsXE9+K9TaH3GuUd> Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18419 In article <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes >In the neat little book called Home Honey Production , the author Bill Bielby >(inventor of cantenary hive) states the following: > >"A boiler (beekeeper) suit is a good investment because it can be used for many >other jobs in addition to protecting you from angry bees". > >What other jobs? Protection when getting rid of wasp nests (serious stuff) Fancy dress party wear Robbing banks Slimming (food doesn't get through veil) Sauna (on a hot day) 'A you can't see me suit' when its snowing.......... Greetings from a hot and sunny Dorset on the South coast of England -- Jonathan For improved results from people and teams visit - http://www.talent-centre.com The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!amsterdam1-snf1!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:57:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-47.americium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929574398 27591 62.136.47.47 (16 Jun 1999 23:06:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:06:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18420 Fluvalinate and flumethrin (the active ingredients in Apistan and Bayvarol respectively) are wax soluble. This could be regarded as helpful in producing extracted honey because they will be absorbed from the honey into the wax. However, for anyone wishing to produce comb honey (where the wax is usually eaten) the opposite is true. Unless you remove all the wax in your hive - rather unlikely! - these pesticides will, I understand, take 12 years to degrade (I regret that I cannot lay my hands on the reference at present, but I know that I have it somewhere!). They are not degraded by heating the wax - unless you set fire to it! - and will therefore contaminate the general wax 'pool' through beekeepers trading in wax which is then recirculated as foundation. The exposure to this lower level of pesticide will, presumably, then increase mite resistance. LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com>... >How will it possibly take twelve years to eliminate it from the hive? Could you >please explain? With some type of reference. > >Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:46:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out of a brick chimney Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:04:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7k9alv$qu7$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-47.americium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929574399 27591 62.136.47.47 (16 Jun 1999 23:06:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:06:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18421 Not worth the effort - they will probably die out anyway because of varroa. Bees in chimneys rarely bother any one because few people stand in their flight path. Would not use wasp spray - this can irritate the colony and provoke stinging. Fumigate if you must kill them. Tim wrote in message <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com>... >Any suggestions how to get honey bees out of a brick chimney? Bees have >probably been in chimney for a couple months. Tried foggers and wasp spray >with no luck. > >Thanks, > >Tim > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out of a brick chimney Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 23:13:35 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:11:20 GMT X-Trace: 929578280.703.35 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18422 Hi, There've been several threads on this topic, and some very knowledgable people have given professional advice . Go to Dejanews, and search the newsgroup, or download the recent article on the subject in this newsgroup . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/15/99 5:31PM, in message <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Tim" wrote: Any suggestions how to get honey bees out of a brick chimney? Bees have probably been in chimney for a couple months. Tried foggers and wasp spray with no luck. Thanks, Tim From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 19 10:46:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out of a brick chimney Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 00:49:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990616204902.09059.00000377@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18423 Spray first then ask questions? Ha ha ha you are on your own Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 01:22:19 GMT References: <7k8fsu$n7j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990616212219.22993.00000382@ng-xa1.aol.com> Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18424 My point exactly. NOT supposed to be supering during flow. If directions are followed, how is the super wax contaminated and contaminated for twelve years. I understand Peter's point but it is valid only when beekeeper's are being extremely sloppy. Unfortunately this probably happens far more often than I care to know From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sat Jun 19 10:46:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:41:32 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.141.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:41:32 GMT X-Trace: 929587292.240.14 ZGM1HNE6N8D35C72DC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18425 Hello all, First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. I've been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which of the types of oil, and if not why not? Thanks Spike Psarris -- remove spamfree to reply From barry@birkey.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:50:50 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com> <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18426 Hey Peter - You're still missing the point some are making. If you only treat the hive with Apistan when there are no supers on the hive, explain how the comb in the supers get contaminated. -Barry ---------- In article <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Fluvalinate and flumethrin (the active ingredients in Apistan and Bayvarol > respectively) are wax soluble. This could be regarded as helpful in > producing extracted honey because they will be absorbed from the honey into > the wax. However, for anyone wishing to produce comb honey (where the wax > is usually eaten) the opposite is true. > > Unless you remove all the wax in your hive - rather unlikely! - these > pesticides will, I understand, take 12 years to degrade (I regret that I From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:46:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chinese competition Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 03:54:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18427 Seems like a lot of people are worried about competition from Chinese honey producers in the U.S. market. Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-102.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:29:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.66 X-Server-Date: 17 Jun 1999 04:30:47 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18428 In article <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly > devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? Tracheal and varroa mites are know capitalists. Steve Forbes, a mite of the variety "republicanus buythe presidencius", is a good example of their kind. Other varieties include Texas Governor George Bush (executum cum compassionus), Elizabeth Dole (husbandus flaccidius), and Danny Quayle (dumbus ignoramus infinitum). As capitalists, mites tend to reside in countries whose economic systems are conducive to their greedy ways. As noted above, however, many reside in coutries where they are not welcomed, and, even seek higher political office. Although China is gradually moving toward a more open economic system, the traditional socialist system is much too entrenched there for the mites to flourish. Editor's Note: Texas Governor George Bush claims a "compassionate conservatism" while his state has for decades led the country in the number of state sponsored executions. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping suit -other uses Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:18:26 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7kai5g$9oa$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.217.232 X-Trace: 929614832 1NNUCNF1GD9E8C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18429 boiling cabbage! Lansing boils! stoking boilers! broiling chickens! oiling boilers! coiling ropes! changing oil! toiling at tilling! rolling foil! -what you fancy really. Jajwuth wrote in message <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com>... >In the neat little book called Home Honey Production , the author Bill Bielby >(inventor of cantenary hive) states the following: > >"A boiler (beekeeper) suit is a good investment because it can be used for many >other jobs in addition to protecting you from angry bees". > >What other jobs? From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <3768db44.136270359@news3.usenetserver.com> References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:27:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 929619178 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:32:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:32:58 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18430 On a more serious note, its not the Chinese production level that is discussed. Its the sale of honey into the market at prices that are below the cost of production. This keeps all prices low. On 17 Jun 1999 03:54:10 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Seems like a lot of people are worried about competition from Chinese honey >producers in the U.S. market. >Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly >devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sat Jun 19 10:47:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:58:52 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7kanu5$7la$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 929620741 7850 129.173.88.206 (17 Jun 1999 11:59:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 11:59:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18431 They are, but they also use medication. Remember the varroa strips offered by a chinese company via WWW? The main reason for the low prices are not the lack of parasites. How much do a chinese worker earn? How much do a chinese beekeeper earn? Surely only a fraction of his american or european counterpart. Cheers ulli JMitc1014 wrote: > > Seems like a lot of people are worried about competition from Chinese honey > producers in the U.S. market. > Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly > devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? From lconner@1st.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ee.net!not-for-mail From: "Lisa Conner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jars Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:09:53 -0000 Organization: eNET Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7kashs$s74$1@news2.ee.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port6-247.1st.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18432 Anyone know where I can order empty honey jars and smaller jars for creams, ect. Did search but only found places selling honey. Thanks in advance. lconner@1st.net From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 14:48:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617104827.01367.00000825@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18433 Thank you, Stretch, for that stirring and cogent analysis of the dynamic political complications of the mite dilemma swirling beneath the placid (flaccid?) presidential campaign as we head into the new milennium. I haven't tried socialism, yet, as a cure for my mite infestation, but I'll see if I can work it in. From cd_rasmussen@bigfoot.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: CD Rasmussen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catenary Hive Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:23:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7kapb0$hem$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.25.183.42 To: jajwuth@aol.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 17 12:23:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.25.183.42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18434 I found this message in a search for info on top bar hives and can not find a copy of "Home Honey Production". Can anyone tell me where I might Jajwuth wrote: Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home Honey Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know more about them. I am considering making and using them. Thanks Al Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-4.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:57:51 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990617104827.01367.00000825@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.04 X-Server-Date: 17 Jun 1999 16:00:43 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18435 In article <19990617104827.01367.00000825@ng-ch1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > Thank you, Stretch, for that stirring and cogent analysis of the dynamic > political complications of the mite dilemma swirling beneath the placid > (flaccid?) presidential campaign as we head into the new milennium. > I haven't tried socialism, yet, as a cure for my mite infestation, but I'll see > if I can work it in. ;) For all of you who think I need to say it: "Me culpa..." ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From BOGANSRJ@apci.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!netnews1.apci.com!usenet From: "RONALD J. BOGANSKY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:17:45 -0400 Organization: Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7kbajr$sn9@netnews1.apci.com> References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bogansrj.apci.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18436 I understand the bees in China are different than the European races used in the U.S. They evolved with the mite and have natural defenses against them. The mites really don't have much to do with the economics of the situation. There is an interesting letter to the editor in the June issue of Bee Culture magazine that speaks in length on this subject. There is an example given in the letter that talks about a beekeeping family in China. The family live and their honey operation is housed in a tent (Running water? Toilet facilities?). They work the summer in the north. When winter arrives the government puts the family, their tent, and their bees on a train and ships them south. I haven't run across to many beekeepers living in tents, or dept. of agriculture inspectors that would approve a dirt floor honey house. I was told I needed two sinks in mine, one for washing equipment and one for washing hands. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >Seems like a lot of people are worried about competition from Chinese honey >producers in the U.S. market. >Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly >devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:00:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7kbatu$9pk$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18437 Steve Huston wrote: >Hi, >Looking for some other ideas of if one of my hives has a problem and >what that might be. >This hive was made from a split of Italians on May 1, and I introduced a >New World Carniolan queen at that time. All was well. They've gone >from the initial 4 frame split to 18 deep frames drawn and lots of >brood. Note that the Italians have the "traditional" yellowish/brownish >color on the abdomen, while the NWC doesn't - they're noticeably darker. >Last week I started to notice a few NWC bees outside the hive (or being >carried out by others) alive, but with stubby or very short wings. They >appear to not have grown all the way, and don't look like they were >eaten or anything. All the affected bees are NWC. >I suspected varroa, asked some local beekeepers who said to check drone >brood - if there's varroa, it'll be noticeable there. I uncapped a >bunch (there's not much drone brood in the hive to start with) and found >no varroa. I went in yesterday with a magnifying glass and looked over >a few frames from each of the 2 brood boxes and saw no varroa. I did >see lots and lots of healthy NWC bees though. >So far, there are few affected bees - maybe 10 that I've seen in the >last 2 weeks - and I go out there almost daily and watch the outside of >the hive. >Is this something I should be concerned about? Any more ideas on what >the problem may be? >Thanks, >-Steve An ether roll test should be used to confirm varroa. It could be Deformed Wing Virus. Bees know when others are sick with a virus and will remove them from the hive. There is little that can be done to treat a virus. Just let it run its coarse. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catenary Hive Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 18:17:55 GMT References: <7kapb0$hem$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18438 CD Rasmussen> writes: >I found this message in a search for info on top bar hives and >can not find a copy of "Home Honey Production". Can anyone tell me >where I might > >Jajwuth wrote: >Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home >Honey Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know >more about them. >I am considering making and using them. > >Thanks >Al The book in question was published in 1977, the author is W. B. Bielby. It is likely out of print and I didn't try to buy it. I happened upon when I was requesting books on beekeeping at my library system. It is about 70 pages and easily zeroxed. However there is warnings about that in the book. The catenary hive has top bars with rigid foundation that is not framed also with a super. It is briefly mentioned in the outstanding web site on top bar hives. There is a picture of a guy with a trailer and a whole mess of catenary hives on page 47. The guy might even be Bill the author. I have yet to make one as I'm building a purer form of top bar hives . Hopefully the products produced will be of the same character. regards Al From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:26:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kbifu$eg9$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 929647934 14857 62.136.1.19 (17 Jun 1999 19:32:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:32:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18439 I suspect that vegetable oils would dry out whereas mineral oils would not; anyone care to comment on this hypothesis? This seems great, >except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all >possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which >of the types of oil, and if not why not? > >Thanks > >Spike Psarris >-- >remove spamfree to reply From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:31:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kbig0$eg9$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990617121812.05314.00000257@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 929647936 14857 62.136.1.19 (17 Jun 1999 19:32:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:32:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18440 Yes - colonies weakened by varroa may well succumb to wax moth - perhaps they have their good points after all. Anyone know what effect these pesticides have on wax moth larvae? Dave Green wrote in message <19990617121812.05314.00000257@ngol02.aol.com>... >In article <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" > writes: > >>Not if you have used Apistan or Bayvarol - wax absorbs it. >> >>You should not produce or sell chunk or comb honey if you have used these >>products. I understand that if you stop using them it will take 12 years to >>eliminate them from the hive. > >Naw.....wax worms'll clean it up a LOT faster than THAT...... > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:29:19 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kbifv$eg9$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com> <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 929647935 14857 62.136.1.19 (17 Jun 1999 19:32:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:32:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18441 Transfer from contaminated brood comb. (Incidentally, I will get back on previous postings but am in the middle of extracting the spring crop - such as it is!) Barry Birkey wrote in message <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com>... >Hey Peter - > >You're still missing the point some are making. If you only treat the hive >with Apistan when there are no supers on the hive, explain how the comb in >the supers get contaminated. > >-Barry > >---------- >In article <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >> Fluvalinate and flumethrin (the active ingredients in Apistan and Bayvarol >> respectively) are wax soluble. This could be regarded as helpful in >> producing extracted honey because they will be absorbed from the honey into >> the wax. However, for anyone wishing to produce comb honey (where the wax >> is usually eaten) the opposite is true. >> >> Unless you remove all the wax in your hive - rather unlikely! - these >> pesticides will, I understand, take 12 years to degrade (I regret that I > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:48:30 GMT References: <7kashs$s74$1@news2.ee.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617154830.29704.00000045@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18442 >Anyone know where I can order empty honey jars and smaller jars for creams, >ect. Did search but only found places selling honey. Thanks in advance. >lconner@1st.net Brushy Mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax for free catalog Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From timjk@my-deja.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:11:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7kba83$opk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 17 17:11:42 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18443 In article , "Ellen Anglin" wrote: > Odd happening this morning- I got a call form my father this morning- > "The Bees are swarming!" "OK," I said, "I'll be there in ten minutes!" > I jumped in my car, drove to my parents house, and by the time I got > there the bees had settled back on the front of the hive, and were beginning > to re-enter the hive. > This is what my dad saw between Ten and 10 fifteen this morning: > Al was very quiet, then suddenly a large number of bees exited the hive, and > flew about in a large swirling cloud in front of the hive. The cloud of > bees was probably 20 feet across, and completely filled the large apple tree > in front of the hive. The bees did not seem to be entering the swarm trap > in this tree. > After 5 or ten minutes of excitement, the bees began to settle back > onto the front of the hive. When I got there a few minutes later, all was > quiet, and there was at least a gallon of bees draped over the entrance > board. > This hive has no queen at the moment, but I know they have at least > two ripe queen cells. Could this have been a mating flight? > > Thanks! > Ellen > > I also had a simaler experience, although not a 20 foot cloud. The hive had a large mass buzzing about the hive and crawling about the front of the hive. Being a newbie and doing some research I wrote it off to a major hatch and a bunch of young-uns stretching their wings. Everything seems to be well in the hive, no queen cells, lots of room. Lots of brood and honey. The only problem I have is I had to add a second brood chamber early and now the bees are building up and not filling out the outer 4 frames, 2 on each side,on the bottom chamber, if that is a problem??? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:59:44 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617155944.29704.00000051@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18444 >Where's yer latest quiz??? > I had it at the beach with me i'll find one this week Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ernie@whro.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: ernie@whro.net (E.L.Scofield, Jr.) Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 25 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:08:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.112 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 929614105 198.76.162.112 (Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:08:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 06:08:25 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18445 Hello Spike, I have tried mineral oil as a varroa mite treatment and found it not to be effective. However this is only my observation. I have found Crisco patties to be effective for tracheal mite control. however I'm in the "semi-south". Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, VA USA >Hello all, > First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. > I've >been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's >still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. > > I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here >references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at >http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, >except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all >possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which >of the types of oil, and if not why not? > >Thanks > >Spike Psarris From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 20:54:29 GMT References: <1835F7A14S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617165429.07435.00000254@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18446 >know but have read that lye leaves wooden >frames quite brittle. Kevin, you advocate lye baths often. Comments on >the "brittle" rumor? > On the point of often, I must say that when buying used wooden ware it's either lye bath or State run gas chamber before they go in my yard. I would not suggest using the lye bath as a yearly clean up for cut comb frames. Instead a good scrape or a dip in boiling clean water works very well. But for the sterializing of a hive suffering from foulbrood or after the purchase of used equip the Lye has proved to be the best. I could see where continued steady use of the lye could cause brittle frames because it will literally strip them to the bare wood layer , but i've found that the moisture re instilled into the wood after a bath can revitalize frames thought to be unuseable at the time of purchase. I have found some old frames that looked possible for spare parts before boiling in lye to come out only in need of glue and nail before general full use. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:23:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kbifr$eg9$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990617104827.01367.00000825@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 929647931 14857 62.136.1.19 (17 Jun 1999 19:32:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:32:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18447 Should that be 'mea culpa'? Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <19990617104827.01367.00000825@ng-ch1.aol.com>, >jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > >> Thank you, Stretch, for that stirring and cogent analysis of the dynamic >> political complications of the mite dilemma swirling beneath the placid >> (flaccid?) presidential campaign as we head into the new milennium. >> I haven't tried socialism, yet, as a cure for my mite infestation, but >I'll see >> if I can work it in. > >;) > >For all of you who think I need to say it: "Me culpa..." > >;) > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sat Jun 19 10:47:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 12:15:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617081553.25919.00000577@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18448 From: "Ellen Anglin" >Al was very quiet, then suddenly a large number of bees exited the hive, and >flew about in a large swirling cloud in front of the hive. The cloud of >bees was probably 20 feet across, and completely filled the large apple tree >in front of the hive. The bees did not seem to be entering the swarm trap >in this tree. > After 5 or ten minutes of excitement, the bees began to settle back >onto the front of the hive. When I got there a few minutes later, all was >quiet, and there was at least a gallon of bees draped over the entrance >board. > This hive has no queen at the moment, but I know they have at least >two ripe queen cells. Could this have been a mating flight? If they have been queenless, they would not be swarming. I'd put my odds on a mating flight, as you suggest. This is an occasion of great excitement in a hive. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: 17 Jun 1999 21:06:57 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7kbo1h$g1s$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <37647BE6.3C24CB0C@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18449 Read up on the disease. The key is to eliminate the reservoirs of re-contamination while treating with terramycin. Do not just treat with this antibiotic or you'll be using it forever! The re-infection takes place when the housebees try to clean up the dried scale left from deceased dessicated larvae. Identify these frames (frames that have these cells in them) and burn or treat with boiling lye method. Boil or singe the hive bodies and supers. I have found that broodcomb without scales and in good condition can be saved, but with use of TM the first year of re-use or salvage. After that you can treat only as incidence demands. You do not have to kill the bees. If you want to make things easier, you can move the contaminated hive, replacing it with a weak (i.e., under populated) queenright hive. The bees leaving the old hive will cleanse themselves in flight and return to the old location, i.e., the new, contamination free hive. You can treat this one with TM to just to be safe. Once the contaminated one is thinned out, it will be a lot easier to deal with (in terms of removing bad comb or making a shook swarm. Good luck, Dave T. P.S. in terms of economics, the boiling lye method is cost-effective in terms of labor vs. avoided costs of new frames. The hardest part is getting and keeping the 55 gallon drum of water hot enough. I recommend using an NG or propane burner of sufficient size. Also, as one who has reclaimed a lot of equipment, I speak from experience when I say don't wait on this. If you are storing the contaminated equipment and the wax moths take it over, you'll be learning a lot about the silk production process once you start boiling THOSE frames! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: 17 Jun 1999 21:11:15 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19990614230317.04590.00000050@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18450 Elmer's wood glue works fine. Don't paint the insides. Primer and paint the exterior. Don't worry about surface imperfections or small holes. The bees will plug them up. Dave T. From shuston@riverace.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Short, stubby wings? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:41:58 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: FsIUtVtOTjX8+RyVg/dlTBM9aFuni474FSNC8USZ5EA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 15:41:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18451 Hi, Looking for some other ideas of if one of my hives has a problem and what that might be. This hive was made from a split of Italians on May 1, and I introduced a New World Carniolan queen at that time. All was well. They've gone >from the initial 4 frame split to 18 deep frames drawn and lots of brood. Note that the Italians have the "traditional" yellowish/brownish color on the abdomen, while the NWC doesn't - they're noticeably darker. Last week I started to notice a few NWC bees outside the hive (or being carried out by others) alive, but with stubby or very short wings. They appear to not have grown all the way, and don't look like they were eaten or anything. All the affected bees are NWC. I suspected varroa, asked some local beekeepers who said to check drone brood - if there's varroa, it'll be noticeable there. I uncapped a bunch (there's not much drone brood in the hive to start with) and found no varroa. I went in yesterday with a magnifying glass and looked over a few frames from each of the 2 brood boxes and saw no varroa. I did see lots and lots of healthy NWC bees though. So far, there are few affected bees - maybe 10 that I've seen in the last 2 weeks - and I go out there almost daily and watch the outside of the hive. Is this something I should be concerned about? Any more ideas on what the problem may be? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:42:54 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 929659687 nnrp-06:23648 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18452 In article , Nick Templar writes >Sadly a mite called varroa has wiped out all the ferral honey bee colonies >in the UK All?? A pretty strong and incorrect statement -- Tom From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sat Jun 19 10:47:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1999 16:18:12 GMT References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990617121812.05314.00000257@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18453 In article <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" writes: >Not if you have used Apistan or Bayvarol - wax absorbs it. > >You should not produce or sell chunk or comb honey if you have used these >products. I understand that if you stop using them it will take 12 years to >eliminate them from the hive. Naw.....wax worms'll clean it up a LOT faster than THAT...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From paulp@ims.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1/4 in. mesh excluder? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:20:52 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <376974C4.9AD57342@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18454 When I discovered some eggs in a honey super, I thought “time for a queen excluder”. I first found the queen down below, so as not to trap her above. I didn’t have an extra excluder, so I put on a piece of 1/4 inch mesh hardware cloth. I also added another super, because the first one (with the eggs) was nearly full, even though the upper of the two brood boxes was not yet fully drawn out. Now, a couple weeks later, I checked on them and found the two supers were crammed full of brood, in all stages. I went through these supers twice but didn’t see a queen. I also saw brood down in the upper brood box. (It is still not fully drawn.) My question is: Do I have a queen in the supers, or did the queen travel from below through the 1/4 inch mesh, to lay in them? If there is a queen in the supers, I don't know how she got in there. (Although sometimes the bees will surprise you.) They wouldn't have had time to raise a new queen from the eggs, and also there were no queen cells in the supers. I may never know the real answer as I decided to move the supers off and unite them with a weak hive in another location. Paul From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 19 10:47:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1/4 in. mesh excluder? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:45:47 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <376988AB.9533BE7E@ozemail.com.au> References: <376974C4.9AD57342@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929663113 19530 203.63.79.234 (17 Jun 1999 23:45:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 23:45:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18455 I just had a quick look at my ruler to see how big 1/4 inch really is. If I were a bee I'd say "You could drive a truck through it". The queen (and maybe the drones) can go through without noticing. Paul Petty wrote: > When I discovered some eggs in a honey super, I thought “time for a > queen excluder”. I first found the queen down below, so as not to trap > her above. I didn’t have an extra excluder, so I put on a piece of 1/4 > inch mesh hardware cloth. I also added another super, because the first > one (with the eggs) was nearly full, even though the upper of the two > brood boxes was not yet fully drawn out. Now, a couple weeks later, I > checked on them and found the two supers were crammed full of brood, in > all stages. I went through these supers twice but didn’t see a queen. > I also saw brood down in the upper brood box. (It is still not fully > drawn.) > > My question is: Do I have a queen in the supers, or did the queen > travel from below through the 1/4 inch mesh, to lay in them? > > If there is a queen in the supers, I don't know how she got in there. > (Although sometimes the bees will surprise you.) They wouldn't have had > time to raise a new queen from the eggs, and also there were no queen > cells in the supers. > > I may never know the real answer as I decided to move the supers off and > unite them with a weak hive in another location. > > Paul From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:49:47 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Message-ID: <01beb91d$0f53e8a0$2fd32dc7@spike> References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> <3768db44.136270359@news3.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.141.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:49:47 GMT X-Trace: 929663387.469.69 ZGM1HNE6N8D35C72DC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18456 There's also a major problem with adulteration and contamination of Chinese honey. "Honey" is apparently harvested while still at a very high moisture content (25-35%), so it of course ferments, requiring chemical treatment to kill all of the resulting yeast cells. Then it's adulterated, to boot. See http://www.beekeeping.com/spmf/adulteration.htm Dave Hamilton wrote in article <3768db44.136270359@news3.usenetserver.com>... > On a more serious note, its not the Chinese production level that is > discussed. Its the sale of honey into the market at prices that are > below the cost of production. This keeps all prices low. > > On 17 Jun 1999 03:54:10 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > >Seems like a lot of people are worried about competition from Chinese honey > >producers in the U.S. market. > >Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly > >devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? > > From shuston@riverace.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:54:15 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37698AA7.41B03BC0@riverace.com> References: <7kba83$opk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: PLT3NgaWvU+IpzTOicJPH3cDApj6RttH7RwMXU88iC0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 23:54:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18457 timjk@my-deja.com wrote: > I also had a simaler experience, although not a 20 foot cloud. > The hive had a large mass buzzing about the hive and crawling > about the front of the hive. Being a newbie and doing some research > I wrote it off to a major hatch and a bunch of young-uns stretching > their wings. Everything seems to be well in the hive, no queen cells, > lots of room. Lots of brood and honey. > The only problem I have is I had to add a second brood chamber early > and now the bees are building up and not filling out the outer 4 > frames, 2 on each side,on the bottom chamber, if that is a problem??? Warning: fellow newbie. You can move an empty frame (maybe two) one slot towards the center - but don't break up the brood nest. A book I have recommended that as a way to get them to fill up all the frames. Don't let them get to winter without filling them all up. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 00:08:23 GMT References: <7kbajr$sn9@netnews1.apci.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617200823.11254.00000873@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18458 Are you beekeeping in China? Does the Dept of Agriculture regulate Chinese honey houses? Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 00:12:32 GMT References: <7kba83$opk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617201232.11254.00000879@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18459 What if you swapped the outer frames that are not drawn with inner frames that are. I'd think you may want to make sure they aren't brood frames. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 00:14:25 GMT References: <19990617155944.29704.00000051@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617201425.11254.00000881@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18460 GLAD to have you back Kevin. Started to worry. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 00:17:56 GMT References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18461 Why not paint the insides? Does it affect the bees? Laura From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 99 22:40:36 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> <7kbajr$sn9@netnews1.apci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.90 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:38:20 GMT X-Trace: 929662700.409.54 KRFRRPH9I985ACE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18462 Hi, Fair enough . If the Chinese want to sell their products here, then they compete on an even playing field . They can sell their honey here, if they handle it to Bill Klinton's health dictates, and figure into it, the cost per unit of subsidized services at our rates . Or they can start a ... . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/17/99 10:17AM, in message <7kbajr$sn9@netnews1.apci.com>, "RONALD J. BOGANSKY" wrote: I understand the bees in China are different than the European races used in the U.S. They evolved with the mite and have natural defenses against them. The mites really don't have much to do with the economics of the situation. There is an interesting letter to the editor in the June issue of Bee Culture magazine that speaks in length on this subject. There is an example given in the letter that talks about a beekeeping family in China. The family live and their honey operation is housed in a tent (Running water? Toilet facilities?). They work the summer in the north. When winter arrives the government puts the family, their tent, and their bees on a train and ships them south. I haven't run across to many beekeepers living in tents, or dept. of agriculture inspectors that would approve a dirt floor honey house. I was told I needed two sinks in mine, one for washing equipment and one for washing hands. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >Seems like a lot of people are worried about competition from Chinese honey >producers in the U.S. market. >Can somebody tell me why Chinese honey producers aren't being as badly >devastated by tracheal and varroa mites as American honey producers? From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: molten liquid beeswax NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 00:52:20 GMT References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18463 >From what I read when heating beeswax it is fairly safe under a temperature of 180 degrees F. However at 212 degrees F it may vapourize and catch fire. It may even explode under certain conditions. Is there a piece of equipment that will safely heat beeswax. Most of the uses of beeswax require you to heat it to a molten liquid. Al From calin@ozemail.com.au Sat Jun 19 10:47:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:04:24 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <37699B18.ED781F66@ozemail.com.au> References: <37647BE6.3C24CB0C@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929667830 296 203.63.79.234 (18 Jun 1999 01:03:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 01:03:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18464 A microbiologist (a specialists in AFB) explained the disease as follows: It is cuased by a bacteria living in the brood. The live bacteria do not harm the brood but when they sporolate, they release a toxin that does the damage. The cell with the dead brood now has masses of spores in it. When a nurse bee cleans it out she inevitably picks up a lot of spores in her mouth. These do not harm the adult bee but when she feeds other brood, she also delivers a dose of AFB. Terramycin is a general purpose anti biotic the kills a large range of bacteria. When this is given to the hive, the house "clean up" the mess you made (with the terramycin) and then continue feeding the brood. In the process they deliver the terramycin to the brood and it kills all the bacteria that is still alive. However it is NOT deleivered to the spores and has no affect on them anyway. The spores remaining in the hive re-infest the brood and the whole cycle starts again. Spores can also be mixed with the honey. If you expose contamianted honey, local bees can take some home and infect the colony. Laboratory test have shown the spores for AFB are still viable after 40 years. They may last a lot longer than that but the experiment was discontinued. From a practical point of view, we can regard them as viable FOR EVER. The spores are extremely resistant to heat and chemical attack. This fact is used when testing honey samples for traces of AFB. When sample are subjected to a range heat and chemical treatment, spores of AFB are the only things that survive . The samples are then given to a culture medium and if anything grows on it, it is AFB. Burning contaminated material is the traditional way to stop AFB from spreading through out the apiary. Some of the spores may even survive this treatment (I'm speculating on this point) but by the time every thing is reduce to ashes and THEN BURRIED, local bees cannot take them back to their own colony. Some beekeepers state that boiling in various caustic solutions will de-contaminate the material. Apparently tests have shown that is not the case. I have heard of some extraordinary measures that beekeepers got to to de-contaminate. I keep thinking that it would have been simpler and cheaper to burn and re-build with new material. Gamma radiation is the only effective way to destroy spores without destroying contaminated material. Weather it is cost affective depends on the cost of transport to and from the radiation plant plus the cost of the radiation relative to the cost of burning and rebuilding. Joe Edwards wrote: > I have just recently purchased a Honey business with quiet a bit of > foulbrood. I can identify it easily and have some ideas as to clean the > business up but just looking for some new ideas I might have missed. > Any ideas would be of help. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping suit -other uses Date: Fri, 18 Jun 99 01:20:47 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 186 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.148 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:18:29 GMT X-Trace: 929672309.455.40 KRFRRPH9I9894CE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18465 Hi, I have too many cats . This arrived in my mailbox today . Ken . How To Bathe A Cat (Note: Jeffery LaCroix is a veterinarian with an office in Wilmington. He writes a column for the Morning Star called "From Paws to Tails." Dear Dr. LaCroix: I've heard that cats never have to be bathed, and that they have some sort of special enzyme in their saliva that keeps them clean. This doesn't sound believable to me because there are definite "kitty" odors on my couch and dirty cat paw prints on our white hearth. Is this true about the saliva? If we do decide to give "Nice Kitty" a bath, how do we do that? - NSP, Wilmington Dear NSP: Fortunately for you, several years ago a client gave me a written set of instructions about cat bathing which I am privileged to share with you: Cat Bathing As A Martial Art A. Know that although the cat has the advantage of quickness and lack of concern for human life, you have the advantage of strength. Capitalize on that advantage by selecting the battlefield. Don't try to bathe him in an open area where he can force you to chase him. Pick a very small bathroom. If your bathroom is more than four feet square, I recommend that you get in the tub with the cat and close the sliding glass doors as if you were about to take a shower. (A simple shower curtain will not do. A berserk cat can shred a three-ply rubber shower curtain quicker than a politician can shift positions.) B. Know that a cat has claws and will not hesitate to remove all the skin from your body. Your advantage here is that you are smart and know how to dress to protect yourself. I recommend canvas overalls tucked into high-top construction boots, a pair of steel-mesh gloves, an army helmet, a hockey face-mask, and a long-sleeved to simply carry him to his supper dish. (Cats will not usually notice your strange attire. They have little or no interest in fashion as a rule.) D. Once you are inside the bathroom, speed is essential to survival. In a single liquid motion, shut the bathroom door, step into the tub enclosure, slide the glass door shut, dip the cat in the water and squirt him with shampoo. You have begun one of the wildest 45 seconds of your life. E. Cats have no handles. Add the fact that he now has soapy fur, and the problem is radically compounded. Do not expect to hold on to him for more than two or three seconds at a time. When you have him, however, you must remember to give him another squirt of shampoo and rub like crazy. He'll then spring free and fall back into the water, thereby rinsing himself off. (The national record for cats is three latherings, so don't expect too much.) F. Next, the cat must be dried. Novice cat bathers always assume this part will be the most difficult, for humans generally are worn out at this point and the cat is just getting really determined. In fact, the drying is simple compared with what you have just been through. That's because by now the cat is semi-permanently affixed to your right leg. You simply pop the drain plug with your foot, reach for your towel and wait. (Occasionally, however, the cat will end up clinging to the top of your army helmet. If this happens, the best thing you can do is to shake him loose and to encourage him toward your leg.) After all the water is drained from the tub, it is a simple matter to just reach down and dry the cat. In a few days the cat will relax enough to be removed from your leg. He will usually have nothing to say for about three weeks and will spend a lot of time sitting with his back to you. He might even become psychoceramic and develop the fixed stare of a plaster figurine. You will be tempted to assume he is angry. This isn't usually the case. As a rule he is simply plotting ways to get through your defenses and injure you for life the next time you decide to give him a bath. But at least now he smells a lot better. ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/16/99 7:44AM, in message , Jonathan Robbins wrote: In article <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes >In the neat little book called Home Honey Production , the author Bill Bielby >(inventor of cantenary hive) states the following: > >"A boiler (beekeeper) suit is a good investment because it can be used for many >other jobs in addition to protecting you from angry bees". > >What other jobs? Protection when getting rid of wasp nests (serious stuff) Fancy dress party wear Robbing banks Slimming (food doesn't get through veil) Sauna (on a hot day) 'A you can't see me suit' when its snowing.......... Greetings from a hot and sunny Dorset on the South coast of England -- Jonathan For improved results from people and teams visit - http://www.talent-centre.com The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping suit -other uses Date: Fri, 18 Jun 99 01:19:28 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 186 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.148 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:17:10 GMT X-Trace: 929672230.804.37 KRFRRPH9I9894CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18466 Hi, I have too many cats . This arrived in my mailbox today . Ken . How To Bathe A Cat (Note: Jeffery LaCroix is a veterinarian with an office in Wilmington. He writes a column for the Morning Star called "From Paws to Tails." Dear Dr. LaCroix: I've heard that cats never have to be bathed, and that they have some sort of special enzyme in their saliva that keeps them clean. This doesn't sound believable to me because there are definite "kitty" odors on my couch and dirty cat paw prints on our white hearth. Is this true about the saliva? If we do decide to give "Nice Kitty" a bath, how do we do that? - NSP, Wilmington Dear NSP: Fortunately for you, several years ago a client gave me a written set of instructions about cat bathing which I am privileged to share with you: Cat Bathing As A Martial Art A. Know that although the cat has the advantage of quickness and lack of concern for human life, you have the advantage of strength. Capitalize on that advantage by selecting the battlefield. Don't try to bathe him in an open area where he can force you to chase him. Pick a very small bathroom. If your bathroom is more than four feet square, I recommend that you get in the tub with the cat and close the sliding glass doors as if you were about to take a shower. (A simple shower curtain will not do. A berserk cat can shred a three-ply rubber shower curtain quicker than a politician can shift positions.) B. Know that a cat has claws and will not hesitate to remove all the skin from your body. Your advantage here is that you are smart and know how to dress to protect yourself. I recommend canvas overalls tucked into high-top construction boots, a pair of steel-mesh gloves, an army helmet, a hockey face-mask, and a long-sleeved to simply carry him to his supper dish. (Cats will not usually notice your strange attire. They have little or no interest in fashion as a rule.) D. Once you are inside the bathroom, speed is essential to survival. In a single liquid motion, shut the bathroom door, step into the tub enclosure, slide the glass door shut, dip the cat in the water and squirt him with shampoo. You have begun one of the wildest 45 seconds of your life. E. Cats have no handles. Add the fact that he now has soapy fur, and the problem is radically compounded. Do not expect to hold on to him for more than two or three seconds at a time. When you have him, however, you must remember to give him another squirt of shampoo and rub like crazy. He'll then spring free and fall back into the water, thereby rinsing himself off. (The national record for cats is three latherings, so don't expect too much.) F. Next, the cat must be dried. Novice cat bathers always assume this part will be the most difficult, for humans generally are worn out at this point and the cat is just getting really determined. In fact, the drying is simple compared with what you have just been through. That's because by now the cat is semi-permanently affixed to your right leg. You simply pop the drain plug with your foot, reach for your towel and wait. (Occasionally, however, the cat will end up clinging to the top of your army helmet. If this happens, the best thing you can do is to shake him loose and to encourage him toward your leg.) After all the water is drained from the tub, it is a simple matter to just reach down and dry the cat. In a few days the cat will relax enough to be removed from your leg. He will usually have nothing to say for about three weeks and will spend a lot of time sitting with his back to you. He might even become psychoceramic and develop the fixed stare of a plaster figurine. You will be tempted to assume he is angry. This isn't usually the case. As a rule he is simply plotting ways to get through your defenses and injure you for life the next time you decide to give him a bath. But at least now he smells a lot better. ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/16/99 7:44AM, in message , Jonathan Robbins wrote: In article <19990616092057.08877.00000038@ngol07.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes >In the neat little book called Home Honey Production , the author Bill Bielby >(inventor of cantenary hive) states the following: > >"A boiler (beekeeper) suit is a good investment because it can be used for many >other jobs in addition to protecting you from angry bees". > >What other jobs? Protection when getting rid of wasp nests (serious stuff) Fancy dress party wear Robbing banks Slimming (food doesn't get through veil) Sauna (on a hot day) 'A you can't see me suit' when its snowing.......... Greetings from a hot and sunny Dorset on the South coast of England -- Jonathan For improved results from people and teams visit - http://www.talent-centre.com The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From barry@birkey.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:24:53 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7kcar0$mn0$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com> <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kbifv$eg9$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18467 Peter - I don't transfer comb from the brood chamber to the honey supers. barry ---------- In article <7kbifv$eg9$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Transfer from contaminated brood comb. > > (Incidentally, I will get back on previous postings but am in the middle of > extracting the spring crop - such as it is!) > > Barry Birkey wrote in message <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com>... >>Hey Peter - >> >>You're still missing the point some are making. If you only treat the hive >>with Apistan when there are no supers on the hive, explain how the comb in >>the supers get contaminated. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-113.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:28:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990617104827.01367.00000825@ng-ch1.aol.com> <7kbifr$eg9$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.71 X-Server-Date: 18 Jun 1999 02:28:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18468 In article <7kbifr$eg9$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Should that be 'mea culpa'? Indeed it should. "Mea culpa, ad infinitum." -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From barry@birkey.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:36:42 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18469 ---------- In article <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: Hi Laura, > Why not paint the insides? Because somewhere in some ancient beekeeping book it said not to paint the inside and most people now know it as the gospel truth. > Does it affect the bees? None of mine ever complained. -Barry From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-113.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:29:44 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990617155944.29704.00000051@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.71 X-Server-Date: 18 Jun 1999 02:30:05 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18470 In article <19990617155944.29704.00000051@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >Where's yer latest quiz??? > > > > I had it at the beach with me Where did you go? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:01:20 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18471 Spike Psarris wrote: > Hello all, > First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. I've > been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's > still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. > > I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here > references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at > http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, > except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all > possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which > of the types of oil, and if not why not? > > Thanks > > Spike Psarris > -- > remove spamfree to reply greetings, about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one of the member's apiary, the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in vegetable oil to treat for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the hive and laid the napkin across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. over time the bees would chew up the napkin to dispose of it, spreading the oil on themselves and others [via grooming] in the process. he did not use apistan strips, and had been using this method for 3 years. we did both a drone brood and ether roll test for varroa and found one mite in about 200 bees and a frame [both sides] of brood. however, he did point out that some colonies will just propolize the entire napkin, rather than chew it up, defeating its purpose. also, i think vegetable oil might go rancid, if it sat too long in the hive in the summer. personally, i have used mineral oil. just be sure to use food grade mo. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From dnl@cs.rmit.edu.au Sat Jun 19 10:47:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.cs.rmit.edu.au!dnl From: dnl@cs.rmit.edu.au (David Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: 18 Jun 1999 03:11:11 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, RMIT Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au X-Trace: emu.cs.rmit.edu.au 929675471 12618 131.170.24.40 (18 Jun 1999 03:11:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 03:11:11 GMT X-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18472 "Barry Birkey" writes: >---------- >In article <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com>, >lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: >Hi Laura, >> Why not paint the insides? >Because somewhere in some ancient beekeeping book it said not to paint the >inside and most people now know it as the gospel truth. >> Does it affect the bees? >None of mine ever complained. --------------------------------------------------------- Many people in Australia paint the insides as well, providing you let the paint dry there is no problems with it. I do leave mine for some time before I use them. I also use a little talc powder to stop them sticking to each other when I do use them with the bees for the first time. As far as I can tell in Australia more paint the insides than those who dont. I think it is the opposite in the us... ...maybe their bees are upside down, people there do drive on the wrong side of the road though.... ;-) Just joking folks! In short, paint the inside if you want to, it does preserve the wood a bit, but hives do last a long time in the us unpainted, so maybe the wood keeps drier or something??? I intend to check out hot wax dipping, so I probably will stop painting the inside then. David Melbourne Australia. From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 03:05:02 GMT References: <19990617201232.11254.00000879@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990617230502.10714.00000247@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18473 If it's really warm outside during the summer, why would it matter if you split up the brood nest? If it's too warm for the brood to get chilled, what's the problem? From capps@cts.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!nusku.cts.com!not-for-mail From: capps@cts.com (Carolyn Capps) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....land of milk and honey? Date: 18 Jun 1999 03:08:03 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7kcd6j$pqe$1@nusku.cts.com> References: <3765DE50.4FD7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com X-Trace: nusku.cts.com 929675283 26446 192.188.72.17 (18 Jun 1999 03:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nusku.cts.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 03:08:03 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18474 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: : As the only beekeeper in my Bible study class, I was asked to do a : presentation on the Biblical references to bees and honey. Any Israeli : beekeepers out there could shed some light on this often quoted phrase in : the Old Testament? I can't shed any light on the old use of the expression, but I can give you a hint about its evolution. Last night I was at a focus group (loosely analagous to a prayer group) where someone asked for plenty of "milk and money" for all who would want it. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1/4 in. mesh excluder? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:49:49 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7kcjeb$3go$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <376974C4.9AD57342@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.117 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 929681675 3608 12.72.49.117 (18 Jun 1999 04:54:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 04:54:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18475 Most likely came from below. 1/4" won't stop a queen. Also, it is not manufactured to very tight tolerances. Some spacing will be closer to 3/16" and some will be closer to 5/16". If that is not enough, it damages easy. I did have an experience last summer where I had a laying queen below and a laying queen above a QX. I concluded that a virgin squeeked through, mated and then squeeked back through to continue her lifes work above the QX. The hive was tight with no cracks or holes so I was at a loss for another explaination. FWIW, sounds like a new hive and you supered too soon as they were not forced to completely draw out the second (deep?) brood box. But sometimes you just have a queen that keeps going up. The hive from last year I speak of above had a queen that had crossed 3 full mediums full of sealed honey and layed in the 4th. That was the reason for the QX and I generally don't like to use them. Incidentaly, she is still with me and the hive is working on the 5th medium and yes, I had to put her below a QX again this year. She will be my breeder again as this is her only bad trait and consistently outperforms my other hives. Paul Petty wrote in message news:376974C4.9AD57342@ims.com... > When I discovered some eggs in a honey super, I thought "time for a > queen excluder". I first found the queen down below, so as not to trap > her above. I didn't have an extra excluder, so I put on a piece of 1/4 > inch mesh hardware cloth. I also added another super, because the first > one (with the eggs) was nearly full, even though the upper of the two > brood boxes was not yet fully drawn out. Now, a couple weeks later, I > checked on them and found the two supers were crammed full of brood, in > all stages. I went through these supers twice but didn't see a queen. > I also saw brood down in the upper brood box. (It is still not fully > drawn.) > > My question is: Do I have a queen in the supers, or did the queen > travel from below through the 1/4 inch mesh, to lay in them? > > If there is a queen in the supers, I don't know how she got in there. > (Although sometimes the bees will surprise you.) They wouldn't have had > time to raise a new queen from the eggs, and also there were no queen > cells in the supers. > > I may never know the real answer as I decided to move the supers off and > unite them with a weak hive in another location. > > Paul > From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 05:00:24 GMT References: <7k42u2$a60$4@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618010024.17076.00000988@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18476 Well, Peter Edwards, that was a very good question. Since no one else has tried to answer it, I, as a newbie, will now shine my ignorance. The worker is the most susceptible to American FoulBrood. I cannot find specifically why it is so, but, with a bit of thought I am going to give it a stab in the dark. Would it bee because the workers are the ones cleaning the cells of the affected larvae and then spreading it to other larvae when in the process of feeding? Laura From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:15:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7kdb20$eo6$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18477 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >From what I read when heating beeswax it is fairly safe under a temperature of >180 degrees F. However at 212 degrees F it may vapourize and catch fire. It >may even explode under certain conditions. >Is there a piece of equipment that will safely heat beeswax. Most of the uses >of beeswax require you to heat it to a molten liquid. >Al Old crock pots work well. Can be picked up for $2-$3 at yard sales. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From adamf@radix.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: 18 Jun 1999 06:31:09 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7kcp3d$32a$1@golux.radix.net> References: <37647BE6.3C24CB0C@sk.sympatico.ca> <7kbo1h$g1s$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18478 Re: "Boiling Lye Method" There's a much safer boiling water and bleach method archived at metalab. Instead of lye, one uses bleach. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From lazov@my-deja.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Alexander Lazovsky Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Business Offer: patent and inculcation of modern beehive construction Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:17:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7kdgtr$h1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.116.191.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 18 13:17:57 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.116.191.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18479 Dear Sirs! For last several years I work on improvement of beehives constructions. In the June 1998 I've obtained the Israel patent of the new construction of beehive. The main difference of my new beehive is using the alternative non - wood materials for making it possible to produce the beehive that is lighter, cheaper and the beehive provides stable microclimate inside for any weather condition and stands for simple, quick and safe moving from place to place. My new technology of producing the new beehive reduces time for the whole process down to the 5 minutes and its cost down for 2-2.5 times low comparing for regular wooden beehive. The test of the smaples was pretty good. In Israel there is no need for large number of beehives per year, that's why I looking for any serious partner for patenting and inculcating my new beehive in your country. If you have interest for such kind of behaves I'd like to offer to cooperate with me in order to patent and to inculcate those beehives in your region. Don't hesitate to ask me for more details. I'll be more then pleased receiving an answer from you. Sincerely, Efim Lazovsky. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bears -chain link enclosure or deck Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 14:55:50 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990618105550.05316.00000462@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18480 I have a book called "Cloud burst A Handbook Of Rural Skills & Technology" It describes some solutions to bears raiding apiaries. It states " if you can cage bears in then you can cage bears out". I may either use a deck on metal poles or a caged (including top) enclosure. Has anybody built either of the above. I would be interested in hearing of your design. Thanks Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 13:35:21 GMT References: <7kdb20$eo6$2@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990618093521.06754.00000348@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18481 In article <7kdb20$eo6$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) writes: >Old crock pots work well. Can be picked up for $2-$3 at >yard sales. Thanks for the tip Could you please explain the process. To get the molten liquid beeswax out of the crock pot would you use a ladle or tip the pot?. Also is the idea of using the crock pot is that there is no open flame thus less risk of fire. If the temperature reaches above 212 degrees F could there be spontaneous combustion and how do you avoid this? Al From adam26@nol.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3769F330.ECF7D528@nol.net> From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Wax Suppliers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.126.40.36 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 929691368 206.126.40.36 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:36:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:36:08 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:20:17 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18482 Anyone of of a beeswax supplier? -Adam From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need advice Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 14:52:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618105214.03836.00001215@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18483 >eaning/licking the hive. >They are not stacked up on top of each other. Just going about >buisness in their usual orderly fashion. Should I worry??? > no worries Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 19 10:47:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:21:35 GMT References: <19990618093521.06754.00000348@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618122135.27920.00000897@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18484 fill the crock with some water float a stainless steel bowl in the water Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Familjen.Svensson@home.se Sat Jun 19 10:47:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newnews.hk-r.se!news.lth.se!not-for-mail From: Familjen Svensson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fishing Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:00:14 +0200 Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Lines: 14 Message-ID: <376A892E.325844DD@home.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: nosve.geol.dial.lu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18485 Helllllllllllllllllllllllo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ********************************** weé are two boys at 13 age and we like fishing. we do a test what the most puppular kind of fishing stuff is. So we want you to anser Now!! Ower name is Krister petterson and kalle stropp. My Imail: daniel.e.svensson@home.se From eric_cl@pacbell.net Sat Jun 19 10:47:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376A902F.82ADCA28@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Blunder 1999 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A858A8A952356903FA6572AA" Lines: 104 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:30:07 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 929730457 216.103.215.122 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:27:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:27:37 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18486 --------------A858A8A952356903FA6572AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blunder 1999: I recently moved back to the USA after a couple years working in Europe. I started up new hives (third time in four years) on the roof of our building and at more distant apiaries. In one of the roof hives, I had left overly large bee space between two frames. The space was quickly filled with brood comb attached to the adjacent frame. I decided to leave it, as the hive was struggling at that point and I could check it easily (mistake #1). The next time I checked the hive, I decided not to lift the frame out to check it, because it was attached precariously (mistake #2). Well, after some weeks of neglect I finally got into the hives. The hive in question appeared to be lagging behind the others and had huge number of drones. Yup, the "natural" comb was completely drone. I was busy thinking about the wasted effort, holding the offending frame when the attached comb broke away and landed on my feet (mistake #3). I had about a tenth of a second to consider the following: 1. A full comb of drone brood with attending crew is surprisingly heavy. 2. Now would have been a good time to be wearing a long sleeve shirt and gloves. 3. I should have tucked in my pant legs. 4. A third story roof apiary leaves limited escape options. I was, of course, quickly covered with bees from head to toe. I held my breath and waited for multiple injections of "pain cocktail" (phospholipase A for instant pain, mellitin for long-term itching and swelling, and hyaluronidase to spread the message). Then a miracle happened. The little sweethearts did... NOTHING! I gently brushed off my sandals and socks, tucked my pant legs in, brushed off my arms, and reached under my veil to removed a few (more ambitious) bees. I stepped away carefully and came back with a long sleeve shirt and gloves. I then checked for the queen, and once convinced she wasn't there, gently brushed off the comb at the entrance and put the hive back together. The offending comb went straight into the deep freeze as a genome source. Those little darlings get a sugar treat today and a permanent membership in the breeding pool. Amen. -- Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D. Charmed Life San Francisco, CA --------------A858A8A952356903FA6572AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blunder 1999:

I recently moved back to the USA after a couple years working in Europe. I started up new hives (third time in four years) on the roof of our building and at more distant apiaries. In one of the roof hives, I had left overly large bee space between two frames. The space was quickly filled with brood comb attached to the adjacent frame. I decided to leave it, as the hive was struggling at that point and I could check it easily (mistake #1). The next time I checked the hive, I decided not to lift the frame out to check it, because it was attached precariously (mistake #2). Well, after some weeks of neglect I finally got into the hives. The hive in question appeared to be lagging behind the others and had  huge number of drones. Yup, the "natural" comb was completely drone. I was busy thinking about the wasted effort, holding the offending frame when the attached comb broke away and landed on my feet (mistake #3). I had about a tenth of a second to consider the following:

1. A full comb of drone brood with attending crew is surprisingly heavy.
2. Now would have been a good time to be wearing a long sleeve shirt and gloves.
3. I should have tucked in my pant legs.
4. A third story roof apiary leaves limited escape options.

I was, of course, quickly covered with bees from head to toe. I held my breath and waited for multiple injections of "pain cocktail" (phospholipase A for instant pain, mellitin for long-term itching and swelling, and hyaluronidase to spread the message).

Then a miracle happened. The little sweethearts did... NOTHING!

I gently brushed off my sandals and socks, tucked my pant legs in, brushed off my arms, and reached under my veil to removed a few (more ambitious) bees. I stepped away carefully and came back with a long sleeve shirt and gloves. I then checked for the queen, and once convinced she wasn't there, gently brushed off the comb at the entrance and put the hive back together. The offending comb went straight into the deep freeze as a genome source.

Those little darlings get a sugar treat today and a permanent membership in the breeding pool. Amen.
  

-- 
Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D.
Charmed Life
San Francisco, CA
  --------------A858A8A952356903FA6572AA-- From @tinet.ie Sat Jun 19 10:47:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:11:33 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7kdv17$4nu$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <%NC93.9397$Xr4.76478@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p115.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 929726311 4862 159.134.232.115 (18 Jun 1999 17:18:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 17:18:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!isdnet!golmote!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18487 Hi Alecia I am afraid that the there are two types of mite the first is the Acarine mite which inhabits the Trachea of the bee (commonly known as the 'T' mite) and the other is varroa. The grease and sugar mix will treat an infestation of Acarine but will have no effect on the varroa which will have to be treated with Bayvarrol or Apistan Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Alecia Warner wrote in message >Hello all fellow beekeepers, >The master beekeeper treated the hive for mites for us- a concoction of >grease and sugar. Hopefully this will fiend the mites off for a while. > From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:47:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ke46j$s6g$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.uranium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929731603 28880 62.136.45.225 (18 Jun 1999 18:46:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 18:46:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18488 Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com... Simply use a water bath - melt your wax in a glass or SS container which is in a larger vessel containing water. A better, but more complicated - method is to have a (well insulated) thermostatically controlled oven. Again only use glass or stainless steel in contact with wax. The oven comes into its own for straining wax. A large laboratory glass funnel (expensive but worth it) which contains some straining material is supported in a tripod or other stand and drips into a glass or SS jug. Meanwhile 'dirty' wax is melting in the same oven in another jug. It's a continuous process. You can also use this oven for melting honey which has granulated. And for drying apples and tomatoes etc. Mine is one of the best pieces of equipment my husband made for me - mostly from items salvaged from a skip. Mary B. > From what I read when heating beeswax it is fairly safe under a temperature of > 180 degrees F. However at 212 degrees F it may vapourize and catch fire. It > may even explode under certain conditions. > Is there a piece of equipment that will safely heat beeswax. Most of the uses > of beeswax require you to heat it to a molten liquid. > Al From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fishing Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 19:03:22 GMT References: <376A892E.325844DD@home.se> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990618150322.06753.00000362@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18489 In article <376A892E.325844DD@home.se>, Familjen Svensson writes: >********************************* > weé are two boys at 13 age and we like fishing. we do a test what the >most puppular kind of fishing stuff is. So we want you to anser Now!! >Ower name is Krister petterson and kalle stropp. > >daniel.e.svensson@home.se > > a grocery cart is my favorite way of catching fish.. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 19:59:30 GMT References: <19990618152239.07105.00001553@ng-fs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990618155930.17961.00000509@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18490 In article <19990618152239.07105.00001553@ng-fs1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) writes: >You are making a double boiler >The crockpot heats the water >The stainless bowl floats in the water and the wax melts within the stainless >bowl. >My bowl fits the crockpot with enough room for 3 pints of water between pot >and >bowl. >As long as there is water in the pot the wax can never exceed 212 degrees F. >As for Kaboom or similar as long as the wax remains below the boiling point >of >water you just get a mess when you mix them. >If the wax is above the boiling point of water then you get big time spatter. > > >Tom > > more questions please, do you put the lid on crock with the floating bowl within crock or is the bowl just sitting in crock? Does the bowl float so it sits above the top of crock? I think in that case it would be easier to get out of crock. I think you have a good system, I just want to get it right. Thanks Al From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: 18 Jun 1999 20:12:17 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7ke971$9ls$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <37647BE6.3C24CB0C@sk.sympatico.ca> <37699B18.ED781F66@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18491 Chris, thanks for the specific info on AFB and transmission. I have also heard that the boiling lye solution method does not kill the spores, but if this is the case, then I should be suffering re-infection in my salvaged equipment. I am not, and it is not because I am using continuing TM treatments. I treat once after applying salvaged equipment, and that's it... Perhaps some of the spores survive but not in places that they are readily picked up by the house and nurse bees. I would assume that they end up coated with propolis - which also, apparently, is effective against them as an antibiotic. Did the studies test re-infection by treated equipment or simply survival of the spores? (If not, maybe there's a good thesis or dissertion project in the works here?) As I said before, I think the key is to remove the scale contaminated cells and treat with TM until there are no signs of the disease. (THe TM should take care of any spores transmitted to the larva from the worker bees, and the frame removal takes care of the source of reinfection.) If this means taking the hive out of production for the year, so be it. Dave From gee@pcgee.dciem.dnd.ca Sat Jun 19 10:47:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!crc-news.crc.ca!news.drenet.dnd.ca!gee From: gee@pcgee.dciem.dnd.ca (Tom Gee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out of a brick chimney Date: 18 Jun 1999 17:24:39 GMT Organization: DCIEM Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com> <7k9alv$qu7$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.136.69.202 X-Trace: news.drenet.dnd.ca 929726679 5374 131.136.69.202 (18 Jun 1999 17:24:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.drenet.dnd.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 17:24:39 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18492 On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:04:38 +0100, Peter Edwards wrote: > >Would not use wasp spray - this can irritate the colony and provoke >stinging. Fumigate if you must kill them. > This is interesting. Wasp spray won't kill bees? The reason I ask is that I have had a couple of "wasp" colonies in the side of my garage (2 yrs ago) and the side of my house (last year). In both cases the nests were out of site (behind brick walls). I thought they were some sort of yellow jacket, except that they were about half the size of a normal yellow jacket and not at all aggressive. And the other thing I noticed is that my fiercely effective wasp spray didn't bother them in the least. Could these have been some sort of bee? They certainly weren't like any sort of honey or bumble bee that I've ever seen. They weren't fuzzy but shiny and had the same colouration as a yellow jacket. If they come back this year (so far so good), maybe I'll have to go borrow a bee vac! Thanks, Tom (who doesn't raise bees, but who finds this newsgroup fascinating) --- gee@dciem.dnd.ca SAILSS Software Team / DCIEM / DND Canada From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: 18 Jun 1999 20:19:17 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7ke9k5$9ls$2@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18493 Well, you *could* paint the insides, but I think it's a waste of paint and time. It's all a matter or economics. If you have one hive and buy a gallon of paint, *and* have a week for the paint to dry before using the equipment, I suppose you could given that you have extra paint anyway. But if you have 30 or a 100 or a thousand, and needed to get the equipment on the hive *last* weekend, I'd say it's a waste of time. Put another way, I'd bet you are better off with two coats of paint on the exterior than one on both the inside and outside. Dave From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting/extracting honey Date: 18 Jun 1999 20:31:10 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7keaae$9ls$3@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <%er93.1362$RU.20783526@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18494 The sugar percentage in the honey has to be high enough so that the honey will still aborb water. Remember, honey is a supersaturated sugar solution. It will absorb water. When a yeast spore finds it's way into honey it cannot develop and consume the honey without being dessicated by the honey... unless the honey is diluted by enough water for the dessication process not to take place. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Business Offer: patent and inculcation of modern beehive construction Date: 18 Jun 1999 20:46:35 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 1 Message-ID: <7keb7b$9ls$5@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <7kdgtr$h1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18495 Does it require the use of wax foundation? From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese competition Date: 18 Jun 1999 20:44:33 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7keb3h$9ls$4@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19990616235410.22997.00000400@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18496 I don't think that it is because of fewer mite losses due to use of the Asian honeybee (a separate species from which the varroa mite "jumped" to the European species.) The Asian species does not produce as much honey (according to the texts, anyway) as the European type. I do not know, what degree of Chinese honey is actually produced from each species however, but you can bet that their cost of production is *much* lower, given the *very* low cost of labor there. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 19 10:47:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 19:22:39 GMT References: <19990618151610.27461.00000572@ngol03.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618152239.07105.00001553@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18497 You are making a double boiler The crockpot heats the water The stainless bowl floats in the water and the wax melts within the stainless bowl. My bowl fits the crockpot with enough room for 3 pints of water between pot and bowl. As long as there is water in the pot the wax can never exceed 212 degrees F. As for Kaboom or similar as long as the wax remains below the boiling point of water you just get a mess when you mix them. If the wax is above the boiling point of water then you get big time spatter. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 19:16:10 GMT References: <19990618122135.27920.00000897@ng-fd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990618151610.27461.00000572@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18498 Tom writes: >fill the crock with some water float a stainless steel bowl in the water > > >Tom > I have difficulty visualizing. Does the bowl act like a cover to the crock. Is it sitting at the very top of the crock. I know if molten wax is accidently mixed with water then kaboom. Al From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jun 19 10:47:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:23:05 GMT References: <19990618155930.17961.00000509@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618172305.13956.00000599@ng-fq1.aol.com> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18499 The rim of my bowl sits on the inner rim of the crock but it still floats well enough to be spun. And I use the original crockpot lid. Another approach might be to use a lamp dimmer to adjust the heat of the crock pot-mine is 320 watts which is well in the range of lamp dimmers. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From twentyone@clara.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Help! Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:31:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.89.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 929741490 195.8.89.55 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:31:30 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:31:30 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18500 Ok - most - in England - I believe all the known ferral colonies here in the Midlands have gone, in a recent club survey no one knew of any, and as time goes on I guess most in the UK will disapear. Maybe we should not have treated and let the mite travel across the UK like a flame across paper. Could we then have started over with a clean sheet? Nick From nospam@nospam.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: nospam@nospam.com (David C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need advice Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:51:09 GMT Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 6 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <376a3fd7.175302465@news.fastlane.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Jun 18 07:49:27 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !c'nK3I`0Sk.N5l (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18501 I'm new to beekeeping and I have 3 hives. On one of my hives it appears they are swarming on the hive. There's a few hundred on the outside of the front cover and upon closer inspection, it looks like their (for lacl of a better discription) cleaning/licking the hive. They are not stacked up on top of each other. Just going about buisness in their usual orderly fashion. Should I worry??? From randy-nessler@uiowa.edu Sat Jun 19 10:47:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!128.255.56.80!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:11:07 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 51 Message-ID: <376A537B.5AEB51CC@uiowa.edu> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18502 Bill Greenrose wrote: > > Spike Psarris wrote: > > > Hello all, > > First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. I've > > been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's > > still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. > > > > I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here > > references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at > > http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, > > except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all > > possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which > > of the types of oil, and if not why not? > > > > Thanks > > > > Spike Psarris > > -- > > remove spamfree to reply > > greetings, > > about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one of the member's apiary, > the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in vegetable oil to treat > for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the hive and laid the napkin > across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. over time the bees would chew > up the napkin to dispose of it, spreading the oil on themselves and others [via > grooming] in the process. he did not use apistan strips, and had been using this > method for 3 years. we did both a drone brood and ether roll test for varroa and > found one mite in about 200 bees and a frame [both sides] of brood. > > however, he did point out that some colonies will just propolize the entire napkin, > rather than chew it up, defeating its purpose. also, i think vegetable oil might go > rancid, if it sat too long in the hive in the summer. personally, i have used > mineral oil. just be sure to use food grade mo. > > hope this helps, > > bill I heard of some research (private) where they were using soybean oil. Don't know if soybean oil resists going rancid, though. They were mixing sugar with it to make a slurry, then putting it on a piece of wax paper on top of the frames. I don't think the work was published, but they had a fair number of hives in their study, and it appeared to lower mite infestation. FWIW -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From aleciaf@hotmail.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alecia Warner" Subject: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.houston-21-22rs.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.73.232.206 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 929742054812 Lines: 46 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:40:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.203 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 929742059 216.200.3.203 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:40:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:40:59 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18503 Thanks for all for the warm howdy do's, it is always nice to know you are welcome and encouraged to participate. I appreciate all of the helpful hints on the mites. I have done a lot of reading on both species and know that it will be a battle whichever one decides to hit the hive. I appreciate the book title too. I will see if I can get my library to order it, if they do not have it, and may purchase it later. So far our little hobby has hit $300 and more to order, so I best watch my pennies so I can stay in the hobby for a bit longer. Can anyone give me any advice on what to look for if the hive is infected with the tracheal mites? I know the other mite will look like a volley ball size tick so I should be able to see it pretty well. We are all nervous.... it is time to actually open the hive and change the super out. We plan to get one frame of honey mainly for the learning experience, and yes, we are dying to taste some with my homemade bread! The hive feels like it has about 45 pounds of honey. Any cautious advice about opening the lid? Hee, hee a bet that gave a few a laugh. We are planning to open the hive early in the morning- on a cool morning so the bees will not be as active. The smoker will be ready, but we were advised that a lot of smoke is really not neccessary so I guess we will learn by trial and error. We plan to use an electric knife to cut the caps. I guess we will just put the comb in a jar and go that route, till we learn more about getting the honey. We may get a little more sophistocated as time goes, but right now we will be doing good getting a frame and making it back to house in one piece. I am sure we will be a lot less nervous after this first adventure. I will let you all know how it all comes out, if not, you may see an article in the Longview TX paper reported by one of my nosey neighbors saying "Beginner beekeepers airlifted to nearby hospital after hive attacks to defend honey supply" ok I am sure it won't be that bad, but what is a sense of humor if you cannot share it? I look forward to all the enlightening advice! Alecia -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:33:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kefa9$erh$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990617201232.11254.00000879@ng-cd1.aol.com> <19990617230502.10714.00000247@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742985 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18504 I agree - I have split broodnests regularly (when the weather has settled - i.e. not early spring) and have had no problems. I am sure that someone used to advocate this as a method of swarm prevention by removing a nuc and then interleaving the remaining frames with foundation. I think this one was dreamed up by one of the 'experts' of yesteryear and has been repeated ever since. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990617230502.10714.00000247@ng-fy1.aol.com>... >If it's really warm outside during the summer, why would it matter if you split >up the brood nest? If it's too warm for the brood to get chilled, what's the >problem? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:36:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7kefaa$erh$5@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742986 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18505 Agree - I know feral colonies that seem to be doing very well; and surely beekeepers will lose swarms from time to time which will then occupy the sites where feral colonies have died, thus replenishing the feral population. Tom Speight wrote in message ... >In article , Nick Templar > writes >>Sadly a mite called varroa has wiped out all the ferral honey bee colonies >>in the UK >All?? A pretty strong and incorrect statement >-- >Tom From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!amsterdam1-snf1!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:27:54 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7kefa8$erh$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k42u2$a60$4@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990618010024.17076.00000988@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742984 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18506 It has gone a bit quiet, has it not? Yours was a good answer, in that it shows you are thinking; but not correct I am afraid - sorry! LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990618010024.17076.00000988@ng-cs1.aol.com>... >Well, Peter Edwards, that was a very good question. Since no one else has tried >to answer it, I, as a newbie, will now shine my ignorance. > >The worker is the most susceptible to American FoulBrood. I cannot find >specifically why it is so, but, with a bit of thought I am going to give it a >stab in the dark. >Would it bee because the workers are the ones cleaning the cells of the >affected larvae and then spreading it to other larvae when in the process of >feeding? > >Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1/4 in. mesh excluder? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:42:44 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kefab$erh$6@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <376974C4.9AD57342@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742987 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18507 Correct size for queen excluder is 163/1000" - so 1/4" will not stop a queen. Paul Petty wrote in message <376974C4.9AD57342@ims.com>... >When I discovered some eggs in a honey super, I thought “time for a >queen excluder”. I first found the queen down below, so as not to trap >her above. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eat the Wax? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:17:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kefa7$erh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k42ts$a60$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990615230805.20181.00000024@ng-fv1.aol.com> <7k9alu$qu7$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kbifv$eg9$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7kcar0$mn0$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742983 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18508 Who does! but bees transfer the pesticide simply by moving over them. In a year or two this will be academic anyway because all commercial foundation will be contaminated with these pesticides. The only way to produce comb (or chunk) honey that is fit to eat will be to produce your own foundation from uncontaminated wax and use it in colonies that are not treated with these substances . Barry Birkey wrote in message <7kcar0$mn0$1@eve.enteract.com>... >Peter - > >I don't transfer comb from the brood chamber to the honey supers. > >barry > >---------- >In article <7kbifv$eg9$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >> Transfer from contaminated brood comb. >> >> (Incidentally, I will get back on previous postings but am in the middle of >> extracting the spring crop - such as it is!) >> >> Barry Birkey wrote in message <7k9nvk$co0$1@eve.enteract.com>... >>>Hey Peter - >>> >>>You're still missing the point some are making. If you only treat the hive >>>with Apistan when there are no supers on the hive, explain how the comb in >>>the supers get contaminated. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out of a brick chimney Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:09:56 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7kefa5$erh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k6rjp$2i5o@enews4.newsguy.com> <7k9alv$qu7$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742981 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18509 I did not say that it will not kill them. It will certainly kill some, but a spray can is unlikely to kill the colony and the ones that are left will cause problems - especially if the spray kills the queen. My advice is to go for one of two options - either kill the colony quickly and effectively, or leave alone. Tom Gee wrote in message ... >On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:04:38 +0100, Peter Edwards > wrote: >> >>Would not use wasp spray - this can irritate the colony and provoke >>stinging. Fumigate if you must kill them. >> > >This is interesting. Wasp spray won't kill bees? > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:51:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7kefae$erh$9@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742990 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18510 No good trying to dip in hot wax if the wood has been painted - the wax will simply sit on the outside (been there, done that!) David Latter wrote in message <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au>... >In short, paint the inside if you want to, it does preserve the wood a bit, >but hives do last a long time in the us unpainted, so maybe the wood keeps >drier or something??? I intend to check out hot wax dipping, so I probably >will stop painting the inside then. > > > David > Melbourne Australia. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:45:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kefac$erh$7@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990614230317.04590.00000050@ngol05.aol.com> <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742988 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18511 In the UK 'Cascamite' - a resin glue is certainly the best. I would never paint a hive - use preservative such as Cuprinol, or hot paraffin wax dip (see previous postings). David J Trickett wrote in message <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu>... >Elmer's wood glue works fine. Don't paint the insides. Primer and paint >the exterior. Don't worry about surface imperfections or small holes. >The bees will plug them up. > >Dave T. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 19 10:47:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:48:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929742989 15217 62.136.92.239 (18 Jun 1999 21:56:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:56:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18512 I think you should turn the question around and ask 'why paint the insides?' - the bees will cover with propolis which is far superior - it is waterproof, antiseptic, does not contaminate the honey with a paint smell and will require no labour on your part ever. Barry Birkey wrote in message <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com>... >---------- >In article <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com>, >lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: > >Hi Laura, > >> Why not paint the insides? > >Because somewhere in some ancient beekeeping book it said not to paint the >inside and most people now know it as the gospel truth. > >> Does it affect the bees? > >None of mine ever complained. > >-Barry From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:47:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:03:16 GMT References: <7kefa8$erh$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618180316.11037.00000529@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18513 I take it the reason it was incorrect was WHY. I did find out it IS the worker. Just as not to confuse anyone. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:05:55 GMT References: <7kefac$erh$7@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618180556.11037.00000531@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18514 I would LOVE to dip my equipment but it is rather cumbersome for only 5 hives. Why would you NEVER paint your hives? From npatt@snet.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a question for the Sherlocks of beekeeping Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:13:34 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7kecpu$bh2@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh4-port141.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18515 Right now I have 2 deep and 6 shallow for my hive. I bought this as an established hive in March with 1 deep and 3 shallows on it. The hive is packed with bees in all the supers. I went through the hive of all but the bottom deep (I stopped because of fatigue and the bees were going absolutely ape by this time). A few observations 1. The hive is very active and producing lots of honey right now. There are tons of bees in and out of the hive in all the supers, even new ones 2. I saw the presence of more drone cells then I thought usual. 3. Of all the supers I examined I only saw 3 or 4 frames of brood, that's it. Like I said I didn't check the bottom deep but even if this is full it doesn't seem enough brood for this time of year. 4. I saw 3 or 4 small queen cells with no eggs in them but nicely polished. Here's why I'm confused. Why would there be so many bees in 2 deep and 6 shallow with lots of honey and lots of activity all day and such few brood? Two weeks ago there was a decent amount of brood. I didn't find the queen but I didn't look that carefully. Also, I'm assuming the bottom deep and the next 3 shallow is to be left strictly for the bees for brood, honey ect. If they continue filling up the supers above these, can I extract these supers with no damage to the bees once they fill them? The 3 shallows I put on recently are full and capped. The deep super I stuck on with foundation is drawn and is being filled as I write this. I extracted one shallow and am waiting for advice if I can have the rest of the honey even this early in the season. The super I extracted last week is almost full after a week. Any opinions and advice welcome. Norm npatt@snet.net From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fishing Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:17:10 GMT References: <376A892E.325844DD@home.se> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990618181710.12834.00001074@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18516 > weé are two boys at 13 age and we like fishing. we do a test what the >most puppular kind of fishing stuff is. So we want you to anser Now!! >Ower name is Krister petterson and kalle stropp. > > dynamite works suprisingly well and with all the terror in the news lately it would appear that its easier for teens to get than adults, and if caught by the game warden simply light a stick , hand it to him and ask if he is gonna talk law.....OR FISH !!!! honestly though, i always used bread dough mixed with bacon grease for cat fish and carp. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From geoff.painter@virgin.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Geoff Painter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:29:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kehhu$gt9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k3lqr$tl8$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7uA93.270$nh.9189@nnrp4.clara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-31.name8.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 929745278 17321 62.136.163.159 (18 Jun 1999 22:34:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:34:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18517 Thanks for all the advice, I have noticed there seems to less activity of late - are they finishing work before I do or are they dying out due to this mite problem? My two cats remain fascinated by them prefering the taste of wasps to bees I think! From kredick@cnu.edu Sat Jun 19 10:48:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Kip Redick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sea Shells Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:30:49 -0400 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 10 Message-ID: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18518 My kids saw some of my bees on some sea shells we brought back from the outer banks of N.C. Yesterday my daughter yells that the bee is back! So I ran to the site and there was one of the little sisters on a clam shell. She was very interested something on that shell. Anybody know what is so attractive about sea shells? Was she listening to the sound of the waves? Kip From barry@birkey.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:18:00 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18519 I paint the insides because it will equalize the board to moisture penetration Look at deck boards. The top side of the board gets treated/sealed but not the underside and we all know what happens, it cups. Moisture moving in and out of the wood fibers are not equal on all sides. A stable board is one that has the same treatment on all sides. Given time (a year or two) the bees will propolis the interior of the hive but they don't do it overnight. Once again we're talking about something that comes down to personal preference. Either way (paint/no paint) works and has no bearing on the preferences of the bees. I just don't like it when someone says you shouldn't do this or that and it's based on their own feelings not fact. -Barry ---------- In article <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I think you should turn the question around and ask 'why paint the > insides?' - the bees will cover with propolis which is far superior - it is > waterproof, antiseptic, does not contaminate the honey with a paint smell > and will require no labour on your part ever. From lauramleek@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:10:16 GMT References: <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618181016.11037.00000534@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18520 Well since my newly painted supers were painted with LOW VOC paint and left to sit over 30 days I truly doubt my honey will be contaminated with paint fumes. I also spray the inside at the same time I sprayed the outside so now I will have supers painted on both side and covered with propolis on the inside. Even better! I'm not saying painting the inside is better.....I believe it may be a preference that is neither right or wrong. Laura From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <376A892E.325844DD@home.se> <19990618181710.12834.00001074@ng-fx1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Fishing Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:43:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 929745630 209.69.69.132 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:40:30 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:40:30 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18521 I feed the drone brood I cut to the goldfish- they love it- I hear it makes great bait! (But so do wax worms allegedly...) Ellen From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out of a brick chimney Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jun 1999 00:28:03 GMT References: <7kefa5$erh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618202803.01978.00001195@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18522 I was called out to recover a swarm in a backyard tree recently. Being new at this, I failed to ask sufficient questions. It turned out that the homeowner had had his friend the firefighter come out and squirt about a 1/2 quart of pesticide into the nest at noon the day before. Naturally, being bees, the entire foraging force was out in the field at that time. By sundown there were about 12,000 bees (about 3 lbs.) without a queen clustered on the outside of the tree, with nowhere to go. Very stressed! It was a good thing I approached those bees with my full bee suit on because they were mad and mean! I managed to get most into my swarm box by the time it got dark and the bees stopped flying, but I got stung twice in the process. Left a couple hundred there. I added them to a small after-swarm hive and they seemed to make all the difference -- lots of brood rearing going on now. The point is, those bees were trouble after the ignorant firefighter had his shot at them. They were far more of a liability after the botched extermination attempt than before. I second the idea that if you are going to get rid of a feral bee colony, be fast and efficient -- or don't bother! From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:47:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 100 Message-ID: <376AF6AB.DF642509@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18523 Alecia Warner wrote: > We are all nervous.... it is time to actually open the hive and > change > the super out. We plan to get one frame of honey mainly for the > learning experience, and yes, we are dying to taste some with my > homemade bread! The hive feels like it has about 45 pounds of honey. > Any cautious advice about opening the lid? Hee, hee a bet that gave a > few a laugh. We are planning to open the hive early in the morning- on > a cool morning so the bees will not be as active. The smoker will be > ready, but we were advised that a lot of smoke is really not neccessary > so I guess we will learn by trial and error. > > We plan to use an electric knife to cut the caps. I guess we will just > put the comb in a jar and go that route, till we learn more about > getting the honey. We may get a little more sophistocated as time goes, > but right now we will be doing good getting a frame and making it back > to house in one piece. I am sure we will be a lot less nervous after > this first adventure. I will let you all know how it all comes out, if > not, you may see an article in the Longview TX paper reported by one of > my nosey neighbors saying "Beginner beekeepers airlifted to nearby > hospital after hive attacks to defend honey supply" ok I am sure it > won't be that bad, but what is a sense of humor if you cannot share it? > > I look forward to all the enlightening advice! > > Alecia > > greetings, advice on opening the hive: recommend opening it around midday or early afternoon on a sunny or party cloudy day, rather than in the early morning. in the middle of the day most of the forager bees will be out and about, reducing the population within the hive, and those in the hive will be busy doing their thing, hopefully, too busy to bother with you. early on a cool morning, the hive will be mostly full of idle bees and you will be the most interesting thing they see. and they WILL come out to investigate you, especially as you start tearing into their home. you'll get bees buzzing about you at any time of day, but there will probably be fewer of them at one in the afternoon than at seven in the morning. move slowly, but purposefully. pry the lid on a couple of sides, so it will lift off without suddenly 'popping' off. sudden, jarring actions will disturb your bees. smooth, gentle motions will generally elicit minimal response. same goes for manipulating frames. remove an outer frame first, rather than an inner frame to disturb as few bees as possible. try to lift it out straight and true to minimize rolling bees off of it on either the frame next to it or the outer wall. rolled bees are unhappy bees. after examining it, lean the frame on its side against the corner of the hive away from you, since it probably won't contain capped honey. use the opening in the box to slide the next frame over for easier removal. slide each subsequent frame into the new gap for removal and examination, until you find the one you want to take, which will probably be near the center. avoid exhaling down into the hive. carbon dioxide aggravates bees. in general, go about your business and the bees will go about theirs. if a few bees buzz or bump your veil, don't swing at them. if a few land on you, either let them be or gently nudge them off. wild swinging motions aggravate bees. so do the pheromones given off by freshly killed bees, so try to keep the deaths to a minimum. finally, why are you only planning to remove one frame? if you are in the middle of a flow and the super is filling up with capped comb in the middle, it is only a matter of week or two, before you'll be able to harvest the whole super. a whole super is a better 'return on investment' in the action of disturbing the hive than a single frame. in other words, you will disturb your bees a lot less by removing a super full of capped frames once, than by going in 10 times and removing a single frame each time. just a thought. if you do remove your single frame, which will probably be from near the center of the super, which is where the frames get capped first, the you will also have a frame with a lot of bees on it. so, pull the frame out, hold it over the box, give it a good, sharp downward shake once, to dislodge as many bees as possible. then, use your bee brush to gently brush off the remaining bees into the hive. at that point you will have a lot of bees flying around, but that's the way it goes. replace the frame. close her up and get out. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sea Shells Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:51:02 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <376AF786.BF2B3BA@valley.net> References: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18524 Kip Redick wrote: > My kids saw some of my bees on some sea shells we brought back from the > outer banks of N.C. Yesterday my daughter yells that the bee is back! > So I ran to the site and there was one of the little sisters on a clam > shell. She was very interested something on that shell. Anybody know > what is so attractive about sea shells? Was she listening to the sound > of the waves? > > Kip probably going after the salts on the shell, the same way butterflies will collect salts from mud. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From huey14@my-deja.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hue Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: roaches in hive? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:18:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7ker49$fr4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.152.19 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 19 01:18:07 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.209.152.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18525 This is my first year and first hive. My ladies seem to be doing just fine. I just added my second brood box about 1 1\2 weeks ago. Today I opened the hive and found them working the foundation out on the upper hive and the last couple of frames in the first hive. I also found a couple of roaches in the hive. Will they cause any problem with my hive? Will the bees get rid of them? Please help me answer these questions, I haven't found any reference to this problem in any book. thanks Huey Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Message-ID: References: <376AF6AB.DF642509@valley.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.127 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 929759244 216.100.28.127 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:27:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:27:24 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:31:59 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18526 That was some good advice from Bill on handling the innards of a beehive. I think it would be fine to just cut out a segment of capped comb for yourself. When you get your frame out you will see that there may be some areas that are still practically nectar. The nectar, of course, is not honey ready to harvest, even though technically it has probably changed its composition somewhat by having spent time in the worker's innards. The bees seem to know when the honey is just right and then they cap it up. So go ahead and cut out all you want of the capped comb, all the way through, leaving an empty hole in the frame. I bought a little cookie-cutter type tool to cut out round pieces of comb from the frame, but a knife will work fine. You will probably have the more brittle beeswax commercial foundation in the middle of the comb, but that is a minor drawback, and next time when the hole is repaired by the bees, it will be local wax through and through. Good luck, and we'll be thinking about tomorrow's grand opening. Blouse your boots! From jcounce@jemez.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: "Jim Counce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones attacked Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:06:25 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7keu0o$r7i@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-643.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18527 Observing the hive today I saw the drones being attacked and pushed out by the worker bees. I was surprised since I thought this happened in the fall. As a new beekeeper any information or help is very appreciated. -- Jim Counce email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html From aleciaf@hotmail.com Sat Jun 19 10:48:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alecia Warner" Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.houston-23-24rs.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.73.233.159 References: <376AF6AB.DF642509@valley.net> X-TWRN-Tag: 929763153559 Lines: 31 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:35:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 929763305 216.200.3.202 (Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:35:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:35:05 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18528 Thank you very much Bill for that informative rendition of what needs to be done when the hive is opened. The whole family set quietly while I read your letter. All with curious looks and many questions, most were answered in your letter. I will try and answer the one question you asked "why just one frame" because we are very curious and mainly for observation is the reason for removing of just one frame. The master beekeeper told us to get one frame out and put the new super in and do not go back till September for harvesting the honey. We picked up five more frames from him today and he remarked something to my son I really did not understand, he said "besure and use the honey up quickly" I plan to call him about that statement, because I do not understand what he meant by that. My son just ran up to his door and picked the frames up so we did not get to talk to him, but I am curious, I mean does honey spoil? Really got my thinking bulb on for that one. We are still reading and learning more and more, mostly from this group and all of the informative replies. Tommorow afternoon is the removal time then, I will let you all know how we fair. Thanks for taking the time to help us out with our family project. This is probably the most interesting endeavor we have ever taken on for quite some time! Alecia -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sat Jun 19 10:48:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.globix.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a question for the Sherlocks of beekeeping Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jun 1999 04:29:17 GMT References: <7kecpu$bh2@news1.snet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619002917.14572.00000474@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18529 From: npatt@snet.net >Why would there be so many bees in 2 deep and 6 shallow with lots of honey >and lots of activity all day and such few brood? Two weeks ago there was a >decent >amount of brood. I didn't find the queen but I didn't look that carefully. A good honeyflow will shut down a queen. It's pretty normal. They put nectar in a cell as soon as a new bee emerges, and there isn't enough empty cells for the queen to lay in. > >Also, I'm assuming the bottom deep and the next 3 shallow is to be left >strictly for the bees for brood, honey ect. If they continue filling up the >supers above these, can >I extract these supers with no damage to the bees once they fill them? > >The 3 shallows I put on recently are full and capped. The deep super I stuck >on with foundation is drawn and is being filled as I write this. I >extracted one shallow >and am waiting for advice if I can have the rest of the honey even this early >in the season. The super I extracted last week is almost full after a week. Go for it! If she is in her second year, watch out for swarming when the honeyflow tapers off, or if there is a spell of bad weather. I have several of mine do this, after plugging up. Large amounts of drone brood are a warning. You'll likely find queen cells next. As to extracting honey below the excluder, yes, if they are really plugged up. I often remove a couple outer frames of honey, and put a couple frames of empty comb back right in the center of the brood nest. This helps get the queen going again, although they bees sometimes fill this with new nectar, too. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: roaches in hive? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:24:29 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <376B1B7D.2AE521AE@valley.net> References: <7ker49$fr4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18530 hue wrote: > This is my first year and first hive. My ladies seem to be doing just fine. > I just added my second brood box about 1 1\2 weeks ago. Today I opened the > hive and found them working the foundation out on the upper hive and the last > couple of frames in the first hive. I also found a couple of roaches in the > hive. Will they cause any problem with my hive? Will the bees get rid of > them? Please help me answer these questions, I haven't found any reference > to this problem in any book. > thanks Huey > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. greetings, over time, you will probably see all manner of opportunistic critters in your hives, ants, roaches, spiders, etc. for a healthy colony most insects, arachnids, and the like will not be a problem and will be taken care of by the bees, assuming they can get to them. if the guests take up residence above the inner lid, for example, the bees won't be able to get to them. you can choose to assist the girls in housecleaning or adopt a live and let live policy, as you please. ants that live around my hives i leave alone, and they help remove the dead bodies that the bees toss out every day. the bees keep them out of the hive proper. but, a couple of weeks ago i opened one hive and found a colony of ants had moved into the area under the outer ends of the frames in the dead space where the bees can't reach. [how they got in and out is a mystery to me.] when i lifted off the cover, man, all heck broke loose. ants were running around every which way, carrying eggs and pupae, and the bees set onto them with a vengeance. it was quite a noisy little battle, because the bees had a hard time stinging and grabbing the ants, but the ants could bite the bees pretty well. they were, however grossly outnumbered and the bees wouldn't quit. final score: bees 1, ants 0. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jun 19 10:48:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:10:16 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 93 Message-ID: <376B1827.4BE7571C@valley.net> References: <376AF6AB.DF642509@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18531 Alecia Warner wrote: > Thank you very much Bill for that informative rendition of what needs > to be done when the hive is opened. The whole family set quietly while > I read your letter. All with curious looks and many questions, most > were answered in your letter. I will try and answer the one question > you asked "why just one frame" because we are very curious and mainly > for observation is the reason for removing of just one frame. The > master beekeeper told us to get one frame out and put the new super in > and do not go back till September for harvesting the honey. We picked > up five more frames from him today and he remarked something to my son > I really did not understand, he said "besure and use the honey up > quickly" I plan to call him about that statement, because I do not > understand what he meant by that. My son just ran up to his door and > picked the frames up so we did not get to talk to him, but I am > curious, I mean does honey spoil? Really got my thinking bulb on for > that one. > > We are still reading and learning more and more, mostly from this group > and all of the informative replies. > > Tommorow afternoon is the removal time then, I will let you all know > how we fair. > > Thanks for taking the time to help us out with our family project. This > is probably the most interesting endeavor we have ever taken on for > quite some time! > > Alecia > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). greetings, whole family sat around in silence? holy cow, now i feel the pressure of getting it right. anyway.... as your mentor says, you can leave the supers on 'til fall, or you can harvest them, once they are capped off and then reuse them. it depends, i guess, on how many supers you have and what kind of flow you're having [and whether or not you have a fall flow]. i only have 3 supers per hive, so i have to harvest after the spring flow, extract and return them for the fall flow. if you do cut the comb from the frame, and if you have wired foundation [not sure what you're using], then you will have to be careful of the wiring, when you cut. as to your mentor's cryptic comment about using your honey up quickly, he may be referring to the fact that honey from the hive, unlike store-bought honey, which is heated and ultrafiltered, will crystallize relatively quickly. i say relatively, because it depends on a number of things, not the least of which is nectar source. some honey crystallizes in a matter of weeks, other kinds are good for over a year. if it does crystallize, it's a simple matter to reheat it and the honey will go back into solution. nuke it at 30 second intervals and mix, or place in a pan of hot water. just be careful not to scorch it. i like to keep mine in a semi-liquid state, because it's easier to spoon out into tea, onto waffles, etc. or, he may have been referring to the fact that comb honey may contain wax worm eggs, which could hatch out and ruin your newly harvested liquid gold. a couple of days in the freezer will eliminate that possibility, assuming it lasts that long. please don't be grossed out by this last statement regarding worm eggs. 'homemade' honey is about as natural a product as you will see and it contains lots of interesting things. remember, bees walk all over the comb and there's no doormat at the hive entrance. extracted honey contains bits of wax, propolis, bee parts, etc. it's all good stuff. or, he may have been having a little fun with you, realizing that the likelihood of your first honey harvest sitting around for very long is about the same as all of us in this newsgroup hitting the lottery at the same time. regardless, under normal conditions, honey will not spoil. it is, in fact, a natural preservative. it is possible, if the water content is too high, for it to ferment, though, which is why you want to harvest capped honey, as peter pointed out. a little uncapped honey mixed in will not hurt, usually, but try to get as much capped honey as possible. good luck tomorrow! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sat Jun 19 10:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones attacked Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jun 1999 04:19:26 GMT References: <7keu0o$r7i@news1.newsguy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619001926.14572.00000469@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18532 from: Jim Counce :jcounce@jemez.com >Observing the hive today I saw the drones being attacked and pushed out by >the worker bees. I was surprised since I thought this happened in the fall. >As a new beekeeper any information or help is very appreciated. This can happen any time pollen supplies are short. Hot, dry weather in July, here in South Carolina, will cause this behavior. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From @tinet.ie Sat Jun 19 10:48:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FREE Science and Nature Resource! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:07:51 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7kfjgt$1g1$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <375FDCFF.BFC2D441@sciseek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p101.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 929780061 1537 159.134.232.101 (19 Jun 1999 08:14:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 08:14:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18533 I tried a search for varroa and another one for apis and got no hits on either one not much of a search engine or maybe there is no "high quality and useful information" on varroa ;-) Maybe varroa does not exist :-) Now wouldn't THAT be great !!! Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Magnolia Scientific Services, Inc. wrote in message <375FDCFF.BFC2D441@sciseek.com>... > > >-- >When searching for technical information on the >Internet are you tired of the huge number of >irrelevant matches returned by the major search >engines and Web directories? > >SciSeek (http://www.sciseek.com) offers a new >solution for those of you who are only interested >in high quality and useful information. This can >not be achieved using traditional online resources >because of the number of websites that they try >to index. > >Magnolia Scientific Services, Inc. >E-mail: post@sciseek.com >URL: http://www.sciseek.com >Telephone Number: (601) 794-2309 >Fax Number: (601) 794-2547 > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jun 20 22:50:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a question for the Sherlocks of beekeeping Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:05:09 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 74 Message-ID: <376B2504.E8C1C7BC@valley.net> References: <7kecpu$bh2@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18534 npatt@snet.net wrote: > Right now I have 2 deep and 6 shallow for my hive. > > I bought this as an established hive in March with 1 deep and 3 shallows on it. > > The hive is packed with bees in all the supers. > > I went through the hive of all but the bottom deep (I stopped because of fatigue and the bees were going absolutely ape by this time). > > A few observations > > 1. The hive is very active and producing lots of honey right now. There are tons of bees in and out of the hive in all the supers, even new ones > > 2. I saw the presence of more drone cells then I thought usual. > > 3. Of all the supers I examined I only saw 3 or 4 frames of brood, that's it. Like I said I didn't check the bottom deep but even if this is full it doesn't seem enough > brood for this time of year. > > 4. I saw 3 or 4 small queen cells with no eggs in them but nicely polished. > > Here's why I'm confused. > > Why would there be so many bees in 2 deep and 6 shallow with lots of honey and lots of activity all day and such few brood? Two weeks ago there was a decent > amount of brood. I didn't find the queen but I didn't look that carefully. > > Also, I'm assuming the bottom deep and the next 3 shallow is to be left strictly for the bees for brood, honey ect. If they continue filling up the supers above these, can > I extract these supers with no damage to the bees once they fill them? > > The 3 shallows I put on recently are full and capped. The deep super I stuck on with foundation is drawn and is being filled as I write this. I extracted one shallow > and am waiting for advice if I can have the rest of the honey even this early in the season. The super I extracted last week is almost full after a week. > > Any opinions and advice welcome. > > Norm > > npatt@snet.net i'm sorry, but i'm confused. how is your hive arranged? do you have a deep on bottom as a brood box and then 3 shallows above that as brood boxes and then another deep and the supers for extracting [one deep and three shallows]? or do you have 2 deeps on bottom with 3 shallows for brood and then your shallow supers? when you say saw 3 or 4 frames of brood, do you mean capped brood or brood in all stages of development? whatever the arrangement of your boxes the key is whether or not you can see eggs and various stages of brood. if all you can see is capped brood [and you need to check the bottom deep to confirm this], then you may have lost your queen. or, she might still be there, but failing. [either situation perhaps indicated by the queen cells.] if, on the other hand, you just can't see any eggs, because you haven't developed an eye for them, yet, then you won't be able to tell. with so many bees in the hive, they may be covering the comb that contains eggs and young brood. if by brood you mean capped brood, then it is possible that you are just seeing a cyclic ebb in older brood and there may be younger brood and eggs that will fill the gap over the next several days. also, you say there is a lot of drone brood. how much of the 3 - 4 frames of brood is drone? depending on where you are, this may be the time of the season for drone rearing. or, it may be one more sign that your queen has failed or is failing. one thing to look for in those brood boxes is if the cells left empty by hatched brood are being filled with nectar. usually, the bees will leave them be for a while, so the queen can lay another batch in them. but, if they are vacant for a while, then the bees will fill those cells with honey. you'll see a rim of capped, older honey on the perimeter, and fresh honey in the middle. if you see this pattern in the center frames of all your brood boxes, it is not a good sign. in a young colony the workers can get ahead of the queen and fill up the available cells with nectar and pollen. but, in an established hive, the patterns are usually set with available space for all activities, especially if a sufficient number of supers are on the hive, which sounds like the case with your hive. as to taking off supers, if you've determined that you have provided enough hive space in combination of deeps and shallows for the bees to overwinter with sufficient stores for your area, then the supers can all be harvested without harm to your colony. if in doubt, leave one on for insurance. if you are running out of open supers and your flow is still on, then you better start extracting the full, capped ones. otherwise, your hive may become honeybound. [like i described above, all honey, no brood.] if you find lots of extra comb connecting frames between boxes, on the inside of the inner cover, etc., then your hive is probably reaching maximum fill. i speak from experience. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:14:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kgjc0$n8f$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k3nt8$6oj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929812672 23823 62.136.91.233 (19 Jun 1999 17:17:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 17:17:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18535 Nick Templar wrote in message news:gzA93.281$nh.9185@nnrp4.clara.net... > And for the Mary's of this word I pose this question. > > "You have to make the decision: destroy the last living animal on this world > to make room for another human soul - or not." Some folk of this world will > follow the ethos in the film Silent Running, that is, people are more > important. > > I take a more practical view and as a bee keeper I know that unlike bees, > humans are NOT a social animal, but like bees we are all governed by nature! > > I hope that this goes a small way toward explaining what I am trying to say > to Geoff in my reply. It doesn't. It is a convoluted statement which I can't understand. It smacks of pretension. Can't you articulate more simply? Mary > > Nick > > > From @tinet.ie Sun Jun 20 22:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.tli.de!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:56:58 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Message-ID: <7kfj9e$pel$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <376AF6AB.DF642509@valley.net> <376B1827.4BE7571C@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p101.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 929779822 26069 159.134.232.101 (19 Jun 1999 08:10:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 08:10:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18536 Hi Alecia, If you are going to take a full frame out during a honey flow I would repeat all that Bill said regarding capped cells, an easy test is to hold the frame horizontally over the hive and give it a small shake. If any liquid lands on the hive then the honey is not ready to harvest and will ferment readily if you try to store it. It will also be very "thin" and will run everywhere when you try to put it on bread. Wait until the frame is completely sealed on both sides and then harvest it. If you are going to eat it as comb honey use a cutter to divide the comb into suitable size chunks and you can keep it in plastic containers "Tupperware" is fine for the house. If you want to sell it as comb honey you can buy a purpose cutter and containers and to keep the cappings clean you should harvest regularly as the bees will stain the cappings as they cross over the sealed honey to fill other cells, for that reason if you are into comb honey place your new supers under the old ones to minimise the travelling of the bees over the sealed cells. Good Luck Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Bill Greenrose wrote in message <376B1827.4BE7571C@valley.net>... >Alecia Warner wrote: > >regardless, under normal conditions, honey will not spoil. it is, in fact, >a natural preservative. it is possible, if the water content is too high, >for it to ferment, though, which is why you want to harvest capped honey, >as peter pointed out. a little uncapped honey mixed in will not hurt, >usually, but try to get as much capped honey as possible. > >good luck tomorrow! > From allend@internode.net Sun Jun 20 22:50:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Short, stubby wings? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:33:59 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <001201beba71$884a6400$02000003@allend> References: <7kbatu$9pk$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7kbatu$9pk$1@news1.Radix.Net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18537 > >Last week I started to notice a few NWC bees outside the > hive (or being > >carried out by others) alive, but with stubby or very short > wings. Did you jar or shake a frame of sealed brood a week or two ago? allen From allend@internode.net Sun Jun 20 22:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:35:53 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <001601beba71$cc72d0e0$02000003@allend> References: <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18538 > about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one > of the member's apiary, > the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in > vegetable oil to treat > for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the > hive and laid the napkin > across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. Do you know what brand or type of oil? Any idea how many times he repeats this? What times of year? allen From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Sun Jun 20 22:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:21:08 -0400 Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.5 Message-ID: <376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 19 Jun 1999 10:26:38 -0600, 209.192.109.5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18539 If you want to get a lot of the junk out of the wax before going to the double boiler method is to use or make a solar wax melter. Any of my cappings and burr comb or scraps go into this box. I use an aluminum painters tray to hold the bits with a bread size loaf pan underneath with aluminum foil in that pan. The top is made with two panes of glass and the box is painted black to absorb the heat. The sun will melt the wax down into the next pan and most of the junky stuff like propolis and honey will go to the bottom of the wax. When it's done you have a nice brick of nearly clean wax. You can scrape off the junk on the bottom and then put in the double boiler. You end up with a much cleaner product this way. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jun 1999 19:01:36 GMT References: <7kgjbp$n8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619150136.11021.00000836@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18540 You talk of not killing slugs.....Obviously you do not live in the Pacific Northwest of the US. Here they MUST be controled or they would wipe out the vegetation. Laura From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.6.79.69!peernews!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:58:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7kgson$ipn$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kgjbp$n8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990619150136.11021.00000836@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.astitine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 929822295 19255 62.136.42.88 (19 Jun 1999 19:58:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 19:58:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18541 LauraMLeek wrote in message news:19990619150136.11021.00000836@ng-fm1.aol.com... > You talk of not killing slugs.....Obviously you do not live in the Pacific > Northwest of the US. Here they MUST be controled or they would wipe out the > vegetation. Hello Laura, No I live in Yorkshire, England. But I have spent time in Puget Sound, Whidbey Island to be more specific, and my hosts explained that slugs were the Evergreen States State Animal and I brought home some of the slug novelties for one of my daughters who has gained the nickname 'slug' - I don't know why. Your slugs are no worse, nor bigger, nor more numerous, nor varied than ours. I don't warm to them, especially intelligent ones, but they are only doing what we do, raiding the earth to satisfy their needs. The difference been slugkind and humankind is that slugs don't take more than they need. My hens eat them though. Mary > > Laura From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:02:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kgt00$iuq$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> <376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.astitine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 929822528 19418 62.136.42.88 (19 Jun 1999 20:02:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 20:02:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18542 Ralph Landry wrote in message news:376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net... > If you want to get a lot of the junk out of the wax before going to the > double boiler method is to use or make a solar wax melter. Any of my > cappings and burr comb or scraps go into this box. I use an aluminum > painters tray to hold the bits with a bread size loaf pan underneath > with aluminum foil in that pan. The top is made with two panes of glass > and the box is painted black to absorb the heat. The sun will melt the > wax down into the next pan and most of the junky stuff like propolis and > honey will go to the bottom of the wax. When it's done you have a nice > brick of nearly clean wax. You can scrape off the junk on the bottom > and then put in the double boiler. You end up with a much cleaner > product this way. > > -Ralph Of course you use a solar extractor first but it doesn't make a cleaner product, just means that (with my method) you only need to filter once, through a fine filter. Even the oldest brood combs give glorious wax. Mary > rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us > "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" > ICQ# 19545315 > > From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:50:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:12:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 68 Message-ID: <7kgjbp$n8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929812665 23823 62.136.91.233 (19 Jun 1999 17:17:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 17:17:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18543 Nick Templar wrote in message news:OAc93.9419$To2.165836@nnrp3.clara.net... > Geoff > > And I have some bees who live in a crack in my garden path. They are one of > the twelve varieties of bumble bee ...............There are more than twelve 'varieties' of bumble bee in UK............. and are great efficient pollenators. Fat > wooly things about the size of a top finger digit. > > Sadly a mite called varroa has wiped out all the ferral honey bee colonies > in the UK and people and the car are doing the same for poor Mr Bumble. .......As Tom Speight says, not all. You can't possibly know that even in your area..... ....Loss of habitat has far more effect on the bumble bee population than the car.... > > My best advice is to watch and admire. They will steadily grow to about 200 > strong before suddenly vanishing one September day. .....They won't suddenly vanish. The workers dies off gradually when new queens leave ...... You can then feel happy > that you have helped us all to have fruit to eat next year. .....These bumble bees won't have any effect on the fruit I eat, their flying range is small. Even honey bees don't fly far enough to pollinate the whole of the country...... > > If you do have honey bees under your conservatory they will dance outside > the entrance and they trail their back legs behind themselves - post here > again for advice. ....Trail their legs behind? WHAT? ........... > > Wasps were created by the devil to balance out Gods work on the honey bee. .......Wasps are wonderful creatures and without them we'd be in a sorry state. They eat carrion and living 'pests'. And they have rear legs of course....... > No rear legs - call the council pest control officer who may charge you > anything from £20. > ......Don't kill wasps unless they are a very real danger, they are just as interesting to watch as bumble bees, their life cycle is very similar ........ > Enjoy. .....Enjoy ALL creation - even slugs ...... > ...... Mary, who is sorry she couldn't reply immediately, she had bees to see to. > Nick > From cobaltcat@_nospam_dmci.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <376C2437.30A9AEAB@_nospam_dmci.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:13:59 -0400 From: LMK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Do I Hive a Swarm? References: <19990618105214.03836.00001215@ng-ce1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sb56k8.dmci.net X-Trace: 19 Jun 1999 18:12:28 -0600, sb56k8.dmci.net Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news-out2.newsnerds.com!sb56k8.dmci.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18544 This afternoon hundreds of bees were flying around the room in my barn where I've been storing a hive (2 brood chambers, one super) from a lost colony (no, don't know exactly why, but it's been about 2 months bee-less) until I could take it apart and clean things. The boxes were lidded and the entrance blocked. So I assumed the flying bees had smelled the honey left in there and had robbing in mind, but since all was closed up, I wasn't concerned. It's early evening now; I just went to check and found those bees are in a swarm cluster on one of the barn beams!! I've read about hiving, but never attempted it. I have basic beekeeping equipment, nothing fancy, certainly no bee vac. (I live too far away for Kevin J to come over and help, darn it.) The beam is about 9 feet up, against a wall. Certainly can't be shaken. How do I get those bees down? Can I do it tonight, or is early morning better? I thought of using a piece of sheet metal (roof flashing) to sort of cut them loose into a box, as they are hanging on the bottom of the beam. How close do I have to get the catching box to the swarm? If that works, do I tip the ball of bees from the catching box into the top of a hive body? Or should I tip the catching box opening sideways next to the hive entrance and hope they crawl in? Then how on earth do I figure out if they have a queen? What next? If most of them get into the hive, do I just move it to the beeyard tonight, and carry on as usual, or do they need different care from a normal colony at this time? Advice asap much appreciated. Lili in Michigan From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping for the garden-a reply to all Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:19:56 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7kh8n1$ai8$1@gxsn.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.211.177 X-Trace: 929834529 1NNUCNF1GD3B1C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18545 >. We are planning to open the hive early in the morning- on >a cool morning so the bees will not be as active. Alecia Wrong!!!! They will all be at home with nothing to do but get angry with you I'd wait until they have all gone shopping then raid the house Give those bees remaining at home a good puff of smoke to begin with and leave for a couple of minutes Good hunting Best wishes from the UK Chris From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:46:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kh9em$odq$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kgjbp$n8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990619150136.11021.00000836@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.havrix.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 929835286 25018 62.136.70.41 (19 Jun 1999 23:34:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 23:34:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18546 Perhaps because someone killed the creatures that ate the slugs? LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990619150136.11021.00000836@ng-fm1.aol.com>... >You talk of not killing slugs.....Obviously you do not live in the Pacific >Northwest of the US. Here they MUST be controled or they would wipe out the >vegetation. > >Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:19:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kh9eo$odq$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.havrix.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 929835288 25018 62.136.70.41 (19 Jun 1999 23:34:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 23:34:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18547 Barry Sorry if I sounded dogmatic. I agree that it is a matter of personal preference - if you want to paint then I would defend your right to do so! But when someone asks for opinions I do try to pass on what I feel is best advice. All of my floors (deck boards?) have either been hot wax dipped or soaked in Cuprinol - they will never cup and the wax dipped will never require any further treatment; those treated with Cuprinol will probably require another dip in 5 years time. . . . and I hate painting! Barry Birkey wrote in message <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com>... >I paint the insides because it will equalize the board to moisture >penetration Look at deck boards. The top side of the board gets >treated/sealed but not the underside and we all know what happens, it cups. >> >Once again we're talking about something that comes down to personal >preference. Either way (paint/no paint) works and has no bearing on the >preferences of the bees. I just don't like it when someone says you >shouldn't do this or that and it's based on their own feelings not fact. > >-Barry > >---------- >In article <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >> I think you should turn the question around and ask 'why paint the >> insides?' - the bees will cover with propolis which is far superior - it is >> waterproof, antiseptic, does not contaminate the honey with a paint smell >> and will require no labour on your part ever. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:34:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 90 Message-ID: <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.havrix.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 929835291 25018 62.136.70.41 (19 Jun 1999 23:34:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 23:34:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18548 I have just read some research on this in the Journal of Apicultural Research (Vol 37 No 4 1998) by Conte, Colin, Paris and Crauser. Briefly they sprayed an emulsion of: 1 Rape oil 2 Mineral oil 3 Mineral oil +Tween 20 (a tensio-active agent) [can anyone out there tell me more about this substance?] They were effective in that order rape 57.1% +/- 10.1%, mineral oil 80.6% +/- 7.4%, the mixture 97.0% +/- 1.3%. They made the point that treatment times of up to 10 mins per hive made it uneconomic for commercial beekeeping; also, the mites were still alive when collected on a special oiled sheet on the floor - so you need to need a special floor; conclusion was that it could 'be the basis of a useful biotechnical method...' More research needed I think. Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net>... >Spike Psarris wrote: > >> Hello all, >> First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. I've >> been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's >> still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. >> >> I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here >> references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at >> http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, >> except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all >> possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which >> of the types of oil, and if not why not? >> >> Thanks >> >> Spike Psarris >> -- >> remove spamfree to reply > >greetings, > >about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one of the member's apiary, >the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in vegetable oil to treat >for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the hive and laid the napkin >across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. over time the bees would chew >up the napkin to dispose of it, spreading the oil on themselves and others [via >grooming] in the process. he did not use apistan strips, and had been using this >method for 3 years. we did both a drone brood and ether roll test for varroa and >found one mite in about 200 bees and a frame [both sides] of brood. > >however, he did point out that some colonies will just propolize the entire napkin, >rather than chew it up, defeating its purpose. also, i think vegetable oil might go >rancid, if it sat too long in the hive in the summer. personally, i have used >mineral oil. just be sure to use food grade mo. > >hope this helps, > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:20:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kh9eq$odq$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kefa8$erh$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990618180316.11037.00000529@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.havrix.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 929835290 25018 62.136.70.41 (19 Jun 1999 23:34:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 23:34:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18549 Sorry - it is not the worker. LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990618180316.11037.00000529@ng-fm1.aol.com>... >I take it the reason it was incorrect was WHY. I did find out it IS the worker. >Just as not to confuse anyone. > >Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:09:44 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kh9en$odq$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kefac$erh$7@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990618180556.11037.00000531@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.havrix.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 929835287 25018 62.136.70.41 (19 Jun 1999 23:34:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 23:34:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18550 Paint does not preserve wood - it forms a surface coating that will - for a while - keep out moisture; however, it will also seal in any moisture that is in the wood when you paint it and this will cause rot. When the paint starts to peel and crack, as it surely will, the moisture that gets in through the cracks will permeate through the wood and be kept in there by the remaining paint - again causing rot. Once you start painting, it becomes and endless task to keep it in good order. It is just so much easier to preserve wood by other means; whilst I agree that dipping would not be economical for a small number of hives, it would be a good activity for an association (you could dip several hundred boxes in a day if you really got organised). I have boxes that I dipped about 15 years ago that have had no further treatment since and are still as good as new. If dipping using hot wax is not a viable option for you, then a very simple alternative is to dip in a wood preservative (many people here use Cuprinol); the boxes will need airing afterwards, but the preservative will penetrate right through the wood and your boxes will last for years; when they do need retreating it will be a simple matter to dip them again - far simpler than dealing with flaking paint! LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990618180556.11037.00000531@ng-fm1.aol.com>... >I would LOVE to dip my equipment but it is rather cumbersome for only 5 hives. >Why would you NEVER paint your hives? From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1999 00:40:44 GMT References: <7kh9eq$odq$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619204044.11258.00002028@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18551 Well.......All the old salts tell us newbies to get books, READ READ READ. I guess I may as well burn 'em all because obviously the books are wrong. "American Foulbrood attacks the worker brood primarily but in rare instances drone and queen larvae also become infected" Pg. 55 500 ANSWERS to BEE questions Published by AI ROOT Now they very well may be wrong. But, from this day forward, everytime someone snidely remarks to read the books, I will have to remind them the books are not necessarily correct. So now I assume you do know the answer. Are you or are you not going to answer it and state references so we can all learn what is truly right? Laura From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: argh, she got me Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:46:09 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-113.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18552 greetings, all. after posting a week or two ago about how i haven't been stung through my leather gloves in 3 years, i got zapped yesterday, as the bees put me in my place. wasn't paying close enough attention, pinched a girl between finger and frame as i lifted it, and got stung right on the index finger. but she barely got me, and it pulled free with the glove as i moved my finger within. i've had no swelling or tenderness at all, which is nice. so, gloves may not be perfect, but they still help. lesson learned: carelessness hurts. just my 2 cents. your mileage may vary. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:32:16 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <376C3690.B7347061@valley.net> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-113.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18553 Peter Edwards wrote: > I have just read some research on this in the Journal of Apicultural > Research (Vol 37 No 4 1998) by Conte, Colin, Paris and Crauser. > > Briefly they sprayed an emulsion of: > 1 Rape oil > 2 Mineral oil > 3 Mineral oil +Tween 20 (a tensio-active agent) [can anyone out there > tell me more about this substance?] > > Tween 20 is a trademark name for polysorbate 20, a water soluble surfactant. it is often used as an oil/water emulsifying agent. memory fades, and i can't remember the exact chemical formula, but it is part of a family of 'tweens', Tween 60 and Tween 80 being others in general use. it is very commonly used in the pharmaceutical, cosmetic and food industries [check a label on a bottle of salad dressing: polysorbate = Tween]. it can be consumed without harm. bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:18:09 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <376C3340.17257F33@valley.net> References: <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> <001601beba71$cc72d0e0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-113.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18554 Allen Dick wrote: > > about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one > > of the member's apiary, > > the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in > > vegetable oil to treat > > for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the > > hive and laid the napkin > > across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. > > Do you know what brand or type of oil? > > Any idea how many times he repeats this? What times of year? > > allen it was regular vegetable oil, the kind you buy at the grocery store, basically, the cheapest available. this was a sideliner, and he had several apiaries, so he only opened his hives a couple of times a season. as i recall he added the napkins twice a year, when he first put his supers on in the spring and again when he took them off on the fall. napkin went on top of the upper brood box [he ran 2 deep brood boxes]. the napkins were not wrung out or anything like that. they came out of the oil and were placed, dripping, onto the frames with a pair of tongs. i'm sure that helped spread the oil within the hive. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 99 00:00:58 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.109 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:58:31 GMT X-Trace: 929840311.856.85 KRFRRPH9I986DCE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18555 Hi, One of the books I've read, says that you shouldn't paint the hives at all . Where moisture, and cold are a problem, the bees will suffer more from the cold, dank, airtight, box than if the wood is allowed to "breathe", and pass some of the moisture . Since I keep mine indoors, I can't see it hurts, so I don't paint them . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/17/99 8:11PM, in message <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au>, David Latter wrote: "Barry Birkey" writes: >---------- >In article <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com>, >lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: >Hi Laura, >> Why not paint the insides? >Because somewhere in some ancient beekeeping book it said not to paint the >inside and most people now know it as the gospel truth. >> Does it affect the bees? >None of mine ever complained. ----------------------------------------------------- ---- Many people in Australia paint the insides as well, providing you let the paint dry there is no problems with it. I do leave mine for some time before I use them. I also use a little talc powder to stop them sticking to each other when I do use them with the bees for the first time. As far as I can tell in Australia more paint the insides than those who dont. I think it is the opposite in the us... ...maybe their bees are upside down, people there do drive on the wrong side of the road though.... ;-) Just joking folks! In short, paint the inside if you want to, it does preserve the wood a bit, but hives do last a long time in the us unpainted, so maybe the wood keeps drier or something??? I intend to check out hot wax dipping, so I probably will stop painting the inside then. David Melbourne Australia. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sea Shells Date: Sun, 20 Jun 99 00:14:06 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> <376AF786.BF2B3BA@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.109 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:11:38 GMT X-Trace: 929841098.407.82 KRFRRPH9I986DCE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18556 Hi, Yer jokin me ! Salts ? The area I live in is not strong in minerals . Should I be providing a salt lick, or something ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/18/99 6:51PM, in message <376AF786.BF2B3BA@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: Kip Redick wrote: > My kids saw some of my bees on some sea shells we brought back from the > outer banks of N.C. Yesterday my daughter yells that the bee is back! > So I ran to the site and there was one of the little sisters on a clam > shell. She was very interested something on that shell. Anybody know > what is so attractive about sea shells? Was she listening to the sound > of the waves? > > Kip probably going after the salts on the shell, the same way butterflies will collect salts from mud. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pigeonif@usit.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376C4174.4FC4B29E@usit.net> From: Roger Fain Reply-To: pigeonif@usit.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Introduction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:22:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.194.171.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 929841749 204.194.171.35 (Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:22:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:22:29 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18557 Hello Everyone Just thought I would say hi, and let you know a little about my knowledge of bees (slim to none) *grin* I started messing with bees when I was 16 (not gonna say how many years ago that was) *bigger grin* My great-grandfather got me interested when he took me to his hives with no protection at all, the didn't sting either of us, that time. I do not have bees at this time as we just moved here (50 miles sw of Nashville) from Oklahoma in December. I plan to get a hive over the winter and get a swarm from a beehaver about 20 miles from me in the spring. I will then re-queen. My question is, I would like to have a queen available when I get the swarm. How whan would you order the queen, and how do you care for it in the event I get the queen before I get the swarm? Roger in Tennessee From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1999 01:52:29 GMT References: <19990619215038.10458.00002237@ng-ca1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619215229.10717.00000867@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18558 ROTFLMAO Laura From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Jun 20 22:51:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1999 01:50:38 GMT References: <7kh9em$odq$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619215038.10458.00002237@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18559 The creatures that ate slugs probably killed themselves. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:17:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kgjc2$n8f$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7k3fa4$nfu$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7k3lqr$tl8$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7uA93.270$nh.9189@nnrp4.clara.net> <7kehhu$gt9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929812674 23823 62.136.91.233 (19 Jun 1999 17:17:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 17:17:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18560 Geoff Painter wrote in message news:7kehhu$gt9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Thanks for all the advice, I have noticed there seems to less activity of > late - are they finishing work before I do or are they dying out due to this > mite problem? > My two cats remain fascinated by them prefering the taste of wasps to bees > I think! Yes, my cat used to eat wasps with no problem but he would skirt the hives with great respect. One of our large koi carp once took a wasp which was drinking on the pond. I've never seen any fish swim so fast. Mary From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jun 1999 18:58:51 GMT References: <376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990619145851.11021.00000835@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18561 But you would do this with solid wax foundation only, right? Laura From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1999 02:26:03 GMT References: <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990619222603.27701.00000606@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18562 Barry Birkey writes: >The top side of the board gets >treated/sealed but not the underside and we all know what happens, it cups. >Moisture moving in and out of the wood fibers are not equal on all sides. A >stable board is one that has the same treatment on all sides. The railing boards on my deck were the first to cup and I had to replace them. The are stained on both sides since both sides are visible. So I would have to question your explanation for cupping of deck boards as being opinion or fact. In that light what should I conclude about painting the interior of top bar hive? Al From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:31:46 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> To: Steve Huston X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 17 Jun 1999 21:35:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Jun 17 14:45:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust195.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37696942.394E@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18563 I've found a major infestation of varroa mites when that happens, and treat immediately. Don From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sea Shells Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 01:13:45 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <376C7889.FA44AE94@valley.net> References: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> <376AF786.BF2B3BA@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-106.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18564 Real Name: wrote: > Hi, > > Yer jokin me ! > > Salts ? > > The area I live in is not strong in > minerals . > > Should I be providing a salt lick, > or something ? > > Ken . > > nope, i'm serious. just about all living things need trace quantities of minerals. bees usually get them from their water supply. as has been posted here in the past, bees often choose muddy water from a puddle evaporating by the side of the road or from a cattle watering hole to nice, fresh clean water from the tap. in butterflies the activity is called 'puddling.' they also like to drink from swimming pools, because of the chlorine [which can be annoying to a neighbor, if the bees choose their pool as the local 'gatorade' source]. in the hard pack parking lot at my office after a rain, i often see butterflies, bald-faced hornets, yellow jackets etc. drinking from the edges of the evaporating puddles, where the dissolved salts are concentrated. they'll even dab at the drying mud. note i said 'often' not 'always.' bees will also drink from fresh water supplies, and i've seen them on the rocks in the brook behind my house. as to a salt lick, it might be useful to the deer, but the bees will do fine with what they obtain from natural sources. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 99 07:46:39 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990619222603.27701.00000606@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.110 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:44:11 GMT X-Trace: 929868251.404.23 KRFRRPH9I1C6ECF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18565 Hi, Nope, he's right about three sided painting . Makes it cup, and warp . But direct sun is a bitch too, and your railings got the worst of everything . As to the hive, write the experts on hives . Though I do recall one wrote about textured wallpaper . I remembered that one . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/19/99 7:26PM, in message <19990619222603.27701.00000606@ngol08.aol.com>, Jajwuth wrote: Barry Birkey writes: >The top side of the board gets >treated/sealed but not the underside and we all know what happens, it cups. >Moisture moving in and out of the wood fibers are not equal on all sides. A >stable board is one that has the same treatment on all sides. The railing boards on my deck were the first to cup and I had to replace them. The are stained on both sides since both sides are visible. So I would have to question your explanation for cupping of deck boards as being opinion or fact. In that light what should I conclude about painting the interior of top bar hive? Al From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7kh9em$odq$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990619215038.10458.00002237@ng-ca1.aol.com> <7kiaer$4gc$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Help! Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:56:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 929872489 209.69.69.118 (Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:54:49 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:54:49 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18566 I know a version of that song- but the Ducks(Duk's) were Eating worms (Tworms)as I recall it.. I guess the same principal applies! Ellen > No, they are very healthy and laying super eggs, which we eat. Do you know > the song, "On Ilkey Moor Baht 'at"? > > Mary > > > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 99 07:46:48 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 137 Message-ID: References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.110 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:44:21 GMT X-Trace: 929868261.962.44 KRFRRPH9I1C6ECF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18567 Hi, Least uncertain cure I've read, was when I first joined the newsgroup awhile back . He suggested Composition 3 . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/19/99 4:34PM, in message <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: I have just read some research on this in the Journal of Apicultural Research (Vol 37 No 4 1998) by Conte, Colin, Paris and Crauser. Briefly they sprayed an emulsion of: 1 Rape oil 2 Mineral oil 3 Mineral oil +Tween 20 (a tensio-active agent) [can anyone out there tell me more about this substance?] They were effective in that order rape 57.1% +/- 10.1%, mineral oil 80.6% +/- 7.4%, the mixture 97.0% +/- 1.3%. They made the point that treatment times of up to 10 mins per hive made it uneconomic for commercial beekeeping; also, the mites were still alive when collected on a special oiled sheet on the floor - so you need to need a special floor; conclusion was that it could 'be the basis of a useful biotechnical method...' More research needed I think. Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net>... >Spike Psarris wrote: > >> Hello all, >> First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. I've >> been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's >> still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. >> >> I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here >> references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at >> http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, >> except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all >> possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which >> of the types of oil, and if not why not? >> >> Thanks >> >> Spike Psarris >> -- >> remove spamfree to reply > >greetings, > >about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one of the member's apiary, >the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in vegetable oil to treat >for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the hive and laid the napkin >across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. over time the bees would chew >up the napkin to dispose of it, spreading the oil on themselves and others [via >grooming] in the process. he did not use apistan strips, and had been using this >method for 3 years. we did both a drone brood and ether roll test for varroa and >found one mite in about 200 bees and a frame [both sides] of brood. > >however, he did point out that some colonies will just propolize the entire napkin, >rather than chew it up, defeating its purpose. also, i think vegetable oil might go >rancid, if it sat too long in the hive in the summer. personally, i have used >mineral oil. just be sure to use food grade mo. > >hope this helps, > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:58:17 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kiaer$4gc$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kh9em$odq$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990619215038.10458.00002237@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.erythromycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 929869083 4620 62.136.65.216 (20 Jun 1999 08:58:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 1999 08:58:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18568 BeeCrofter wrote in message news:19990619215038.10458.00002237@ng-ca1.aol.com... > The creatures that ate slugs probably killed themselves. >> > Tom > No, they are very healthy and laying super eggs, which we eat. Do you know the song, "On Ilkey Moor Baht 'at"? Mary > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ernie@whro.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: ernie@whro.net (E.L.Scofield, Jr.) Subject: Re: How Do I Hive a Swarm? References: <19990618105214.03836.00001215@ng-ce1.aol.com> <376C2437.30A9AEAB@_nospam_dmci.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:35:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.25 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 929878507 198.76.162.25 (Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:35:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:35:07 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18569 Try this. Get a cardboard box with something for a lid, a dustpan, and a ladder. Put on the best bee gear you have since you're new at this. Mist the bees with a plant sprayer, get them pretty good and wet. Best time would probably be early morning. Take the dustpan and scrape as many bees as you can into the box and close the lid. If you have a hive body with frames and foundation made up, put it where you want to establish the hive and dump the bees on the ground in front of it. If you have the queen, they will go in the hive and set up shop, if not they will return to the beam If you don't have a hive boby made up then leave the bees in the box with an entrance cut in it for a couple of days until you can get the equipment together. Be sure to shade the box from the sun, as the sun will make them leave for the first couple of days. I've noticed that when you see bees poking around stored equipment during swarm season ( ours is over here ) you might as well get some equipment ready and go look for the swarm. It's around somewhere. Hope this helps. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach VA USA >It's early evening now; I just went to check and found those >bees are in a swarm cluster on one of the barn beams!! I've read >about hiving, but never attempted it. I have basic beekeeping >equipment, nothing fancy, certainly no bee vac. (I live too far >away for Kevin J to come over and help, darn it.) From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: storing supers & size of colony Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1999 12:24:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990620082417.17961.00000798@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18570 In operating a langstoth hive does the beekeeper normally save drawn out frames to the next season (over winter) or is new foundation added in the next season. Also, is the size of the colony substantially related to the nectar flow? In areas of poorer nectar flow could you have a smaller colony and be able to harvest some honey?. Trying to fill in the gaps of knowledge. Thanks Al From cwelch@cais.nospam.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!in1.nntp.cais.net!newsie.cais.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raw honey sources in Northern VA? From: cwelch@cais.nospam.com (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3J5b3.113$Sw3.1903409@newsie.cais.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:08:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.177.24.62 X-Trace: newsie.cais.net 929884095 205.177.24.62 (Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:08:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:08:15 EDT Organization: CAIS Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18571 Pardon the intrusion but are there any local (Northern VA) honey producers online ? I'm an amature mead maker and am trying to find some local honey for my mead... If so, please drop me a line here or via email at cwelch @ cais . com CW From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 20 22:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:02:02 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kis8c$d0o$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kh9em$odq$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990619215038.10458.00002237@ng-ca1.aol.com> <7kiaer$4gc$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.ukrain.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 929887308 13336 62.136.90.196 (20 Jun 1999 14:01:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 1999 14:01:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18572 Ellen Anglin wrote in message news:JT2b3.1082$el4.37126@ord-read.news.verio.net... Exactly! it's not "Tworms" though, it's "t' worms". The single t is a glottal stop which everyone knows we use in Yorkshire instead of the definite article. Mary > I know a version of that song- but the Ducks(Duk's) were Eating worms > (Tworms)as I recall it.. I guess the same principal applies! > > Ellen > > > > No, they are very healthy and laying super eggs, which we eat. Do you know > > the song, "On Ilkey Moor Baht 'at"? > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > > > > > > From hutchiso@ccp.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queenless hives Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <929885169.533153@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup7-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:33:57 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 929888602 207.193.195.8 (Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:23:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:23:22 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18573 Can someone explain why I continue to find hives with no queen. When I inspect I find loads of bees and no eggs or sealed brood at all. In most cases, but not all, there are queen cells, but with all the bees that are left I don't think they swarmed. I also have had several hives that lost the queen , or at least showed these same characteristics even though they were a new hive developed from a nuc. Has this been an unusual year? Is this much supersede common? What will this do to my honey production. I'm in northwest Missouri. From barry@birkey.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:14:08 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7kj0lb$anq$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990619222603.27701.00000606@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18574 In article <19990619222603.27701.00000606@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > The railing boards on my deck were the first to cup and I had to replace them. > The are stained on both sides since both sides are visible. So I would have to > question your explanation for cupping of deck boards as being opinion or fact. Al - Your decking boards would have done the same thing as your railings if it wasn't for the fact that they are nailed to a joist every 16" or so which keeps the twisting and cupping to a more controlled form. The other unknown is the percentage of moisture your boards had at the time of construction and what kind of sun exposure all the parts of your deck get. The type of wood used also makes a big difference. If your railings were attached to a post every 3 to 4 feet, you would tend to have less movement than if the posts were every 6 to 8 feet apart. I was going on the assumption that the wood one uses to make hive bodies out of is dried lumber to begin with. -Barry From barry@birkey.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:47:14 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7kj2jd$c24$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18575 In article , stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) wrote: > Hi, > > One of the books I've read, says that > you shouldn't paint the hives at all . > > Where moisture, and cold are a problem, > the bees will suffer more from the cold, > dank, airtight, box than if the wood > is allowed to "breathe", and pass some > of the moisture . This is the kind of info from books that I have a problem with. When was the last time you tried breathing air through a piece of 3/4" wood? It ain't like a piece of cloth. Sure, moisture and air will pass through wood just as it still does even with paint or stain on the wood but it isn't going to make hardly a drop in the bucket if that's what your relying on to take care of moisture problems in a hive. The issue is whether or not you are going to "treat" the hive bodies to hold up against the outside elements or the inside elements. I've not yet seen a reason to protect the wood from the bees so I think in terms of the weather being my greatest threat. I'm thinking, you got moisture problems? .... vent the hive. Do we not seal the outside of our homes to protect us from the elements? Why would I leave the wood bevel siding on my house bare and in a few years be shot just so my house could "breath" better? A more logical approach would be to seal and protect the siding which in turn protects me from the elements and add venting to the house so I do get the movement of the moist air out before it will cause damage. Isn't it about time we update some of these books? Another example is the way tents are designed today. We don't use a single material that is totally waterproof anymore. Talk about moisture on the inside!! Now we have the ceiling of the tent made from a breathable material with a waterproof canopy/fly that goes over the tent to keep the rain out. The outside shell is waterproof but designed in such a way to still allow moisture to escape. Regards, -Barry From barry@birkey.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:02:05 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7kj3f8$cik$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kefad$erh$8@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7kek8j$o7v$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kh9eo$odq$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18576 In article <7kh9eo$odq$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Barry > > Sorry if I sounded dogmatic. I agree that it is a matter of personal > preference - if you want to paint then I would defend your right to do so! > But when someone asks for opinions I do try to pass on what I feel is best > advice. Hi Peter - No problem. I was mainly responding to David Trickett's post where he said "Don't paint the insides." He later gave a follow up to his statement which cleared things up a bit better. I guess I first took it to mean that when someone says not to paint the inside of a hive that there is something bad or wrong in doing it. I'm sure most first time beekeepers starting out with their new hives hearing this would think that it would have some negative effect on the bees when in fact it really is a matter of personal preference. Kinda like the TBH verses Lang debate. Both work and it comes down to personal taste as to which kind one will use. Regards, Barry From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Training Bees to find landmines Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:49:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7kj629$kid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.16 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 20 16:49:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18577 An article on the BBC web site dated today, Sunday 20 June 1999, located at the following URL: , reports research in training bees for the purpose of locating landmines. The method reported is to "train" the bees to associate traces of explosive chemicals with "reward" by mixing those chemicals in syrup they are fed before being set to their task in the field. It depends on plants near mines drawing up explosive chemicals into themeselves (which would then appear in their pollen and/or nectar). The article even says the research suggests fitting the little ladies with micro-transmitters in order better to trace their movements. All sounds like science fiction to me. The X-Files, maybe? But what do I know. Any knowledgeable comments on "training" bees? Or on fitting them with transmitters to trace their movements? If you visit this BBC site and find clear errors in it, do use their Feedback link to register your carefully worded complaint. They have been known graciously to change posted articles when error is reported to them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From tlself@mindspring.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: tlself@mindspring.com (Terry Self) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best books to enlighten the ignorant? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:57:02 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <376d429d.6011165@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: tlself@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.a2.ce X-Server-Date: 20 Jun 1999 19:56:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18578 I am an ignorant novice with access to a feral (and apparently healthy) hive living in an old farmhouse my beautiful wife and i are planning to restore from decades of neglect. Seems a shame to me to destroy the colony; I am intrested in managing the beasts for pollination and honey. I have plenty of time before beginning the project. Located in north central piedmont area of North Carolina. Thanks. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:47:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <376C4174.4FC4B29E@usit.net> To: pigeonif@usit.net X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 20 Jun 1999 19:51:11 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Jun 20 12:55:14 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust64.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <376D4561.2C0D@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18579 If you get a swarm(my understanding of a swarm) there will be a queen with it. This year, every swarm I know of that was hived, superceeded the queen at the end of the honey flow. There are many places to order queens from. My best ones come from Kelley's. Don in NC From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jun 1999 23:26:53 GMT References: <7kj2jd$c24$1@eve.enteract.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990620192653.17961.00000887@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18580 Barry Birkey> writes: >A more logical approach would be to seal and >protect the siding which in turn protects me from the elements and add >venting to the house so I do get the movement of the moist air out before it >will cause damage. > >Isn't it about time we update some of these books? > As per the above should there not be venting in the roof of the hive to allow air to flow from entrance through to roof chamber and out. Seems to me that the bees with their use of propolis create their own environment and not necessarily in regard to the longevity of the hive. I think I read in a web site that the langstroth hive was invented in 1851. How old are these books that need updating? Al From pakdad@mindspring.com Sun Jun 20 22:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees in front of hive. Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:47:50 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7kjuk0$l3u$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.3f.68 X-Server-Date: 20 Jun 1999 23:48:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18581 Dead bees in front of my two hive to the point they are attracting nats. More than looks normal. Some are freshly "grounded" and still wiggling a little (paralyzed?). Some seem very light and almost empty inside (I don't know if they do that after they die). The bees were package bees from a Georgia Apiary, and they were treated with Apistan before arrival. Checked frames and brood pattern looks healthy, normal, and full. Did not check any recently hatched frames. Suggestions??? From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 20 22:51:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:09:19 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <376D82AE.29647FC9@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> <376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929923721 25875 203.63.79.234 (21 Jun 1999 00:08:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 00:08:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18582 Ralph Landry wrote: > If you want to get a lot of the junk out of the wax before going to the > double boiler method is to use or make a solar wax melter. > When it's done you have a nice brick of nearly clean wax. You can scrape > off the junk on the bottom I have a variation on this that does not require scraping. I got idea from reading a book about plumbing. Any one who designs a wax melter should learn and understand same basic principles of draining. When plumbers lay draining pipes, they have to get slope just right (1:50). With the correct gradient, the water creates enough turbulence to carry all the sediment with it. If the slope is too shallow, the water dribbles away very slowly and there is not enough turbulence to carry the sediment. The sediment remains behind (in the pipe) and eventually blocks the drain. I use the same principle with my wax melter. I put the wax on a tray (SS) that is almost flat. As the wax melts (slowly) it drains away (SLOWLY) through some small holes into another container below. The propolis and other gunk remains behind in the tray as sediment. From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 20 22:51:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing supers & size of colony Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:37:53 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <376D8961.555C970E@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990620082417.17961.00000798@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929925439 29804 203.63.79.234 (21 Jun 1999 00:37:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 00:37:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18583 Jajwuth wrote: > In operating a langstoth hive does the beekeeper normally save drawn out frames > to the next season (over winter) or is new foundation added in the next season. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. That is the main reason for using that kind of frame. The same applies to any kind of frame that is fully enclosed and srtengthened with wire. (not just the longstroth). The bees require lots of "honey" to make wax . I think the ratio is about 7 kilos or honey : 1 kilo of wax. I understand that bees make wax from nectar rather than honey. So "7 kilos of honey" should read be as "enough nectar to make 7 kilos of honey". If you can recycle the old combs, they (or you) can use that nectar for something else instead of making more wax. > > Also, is the size of the colony substantially related to the nectar flow? Yes > In areas of poorer nectar flow could you have a smaller colony and be able to > harvest some honey?. Maybe. Depends on how week the flow is,. From allend@internode.net Sun Jun 20 22:51:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: American Foul Brood Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:51:44 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <000a01bebb77$d9c19f40$02000003@allend> References: <7ke971$9ls$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7ke971$9ls$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18584 > I have also > heard that the boiling lye solution method does not kill the > spores, but > if this is the case, then I should be suffering re-infection in my > salvaged equipment. I am not, and it is not because I am > using continuing > TM treatments. Well, AFB is a funny thing. When I was a bee inspector, I remember going to an abandoned yard of about thirty hives. Of those, 23 or so were dead of AFB and the mice ran in and out. The remaining seven were freely robbing the last remnants of the others and were entirely free of the scourge. It takes a certain threshold of infection to cause a breakdown of AFB. That threshold varies from strain to strain in bees. Some bees are very resistant. allen From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 20 22:51:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:37:37 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <376D9761.9DA44F2@ozemail.com.au> References: <37647BE6.3C24CB0C@sk.sympatico.ca> <37699B18.ED781F66@ozemail.com.au> <7ke971$9ls$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 929929020 8177 203.63.79.234 (21 Jun 1999 01:37:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 01:37:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18585 David J Trickett wrote: > I have also > heard that the boiling lye solution method does not kill the spores, but > if this is the case, then I should be suffering re-infection in my > salvaged equipment. I am not, and it is not because I am using continuing > TM treatments. I treat once after applying salvaged equipment, and > that's it... Perhaps some of the spores survive but not in places that > they are readily picked up by the house and nurse bees. I suspect this the reason for the alleged success of this mthod. You are only reducing the chance of re-infection from you own equipment. As long as it does not occur again with in a short time people think it works. Any subsequent re-infcetion is presumed to have come from outside the hive. But can you be certain of that? > Did the studies test > re-infection by treated equipment or simply survival of the spores? > Don't know. > THe TM should > take care of any spores transmitted to the larva from the worker bees, > and the frame removal takes care of the source of reinfection. Only if you keep topping up the TM (it breaks down in just a few weeks). While your honey has TM in it , you cannot extract it. Eeating honey with TM in it can do drastic things to your digestion. You digestion system actually requires a lot of (freindly) bacteria to work. TM will kill them and give a tough time. > If this > means taking the hive out of production for the year, so be it. The spores survive for 40 years (or more). It might be better to take the hive out of production for 50 years (or more). From sky7@nikocity.de Wed Jun 23 06:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-DUS.ecrc.net!news-HBG.ecrc.net!news.nikoma.de!not-for-mail From: "SkyBlue" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neue Imker Homepage ( German Only ) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:59:21 +0200 Organization: Nikoma MediaWorks GmbH Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7kidsc$2bt$2@news.nikoma.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-17.tnt02.hamburg.nikoma.de X-Trace: news.nikoma.de 929872588 2429 212.122.138.17 (20 Jun 1999 09:56:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nikoma.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 1999 09:56:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18586 hallo schau mal bei http://mitglied.tripod.de/BienenMJ/ vorbei. Imker Chat & Imker Forum, Info über Varroa Milben u.v.m... danke From landspa@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Oliver" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis buster Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:47:51 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7kk988$gcv@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <1835F7A14S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <19990617165429.07435.00000254@ng-cf1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Oliver" NNTP-Posting-Host: ali-ca45-11.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 20 9:49:44 PM CDT 1999 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18587 I have boiled thousands of frames in lye water and would never waste my time and health again for the cost of new frames again. It is ten times the work of stapling and wiring new frames, and you still end up with a weak old frame. Toss that old crap in the fire and buy new ones. Lye boiling tank For Sale near San Francisco. Oliver From maxieb@earthlink.net Wed Jun 23 06:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!sdn-ar-006watacop073.dialsprint.net!user From: maxieb@earthlink.net (Catherine Burns) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....land of milk and honey? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:02:06 -0800 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Jun 20 20:05:07 1999 References: <3765DE50.4FD7@ix.netcom.com> Organization: home X-Posted-Path-Was: sdn-ar-006watacop073.dialsprint.net!user Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-006watacop073.dialsprint.net X-ELN-Date: 21 Jun 1999 03:02:26 GMT Message-ID: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18588 In article <3765DE50.4FD7@ix.netcom.com>, miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > As the only beekeeper in my Bible study class, I was asked to do a > presentation on the Biblical references to bees and honey. Any Israeli > beekeepers out there could shed some light on this often quoted phrase in > the Old Testament? > > thanks, Vivian I was always told that this was a reference to the lushness of the land there 3000 odd years ago. There was lots of grass and many flowering plants, from which goats/cattle/sheep and bees make their respective products. Dan From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:45:00 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <376DB53C.60AA9E12@valley.net> References: <7kj2jd$c24$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990620192653.17961.00000887@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18589 Jajwuth wrote: > Barry Birkey> writes: > > >A more logical approach would be to seal and > >protect the siding which in turn protects me from the elements and add > >venting to the house so I do get the movement of the moist air out before it > >will cause damage. > > > >Isn't it about time we update some of these books? > > > > As per the above should there not be venting in the roof of the hive to allow > air to flow from entrance through to roof chamber and out. > Al greetings, that's exactly how my D.E. hives are constructed [modified langstroths]. each hive has 3 screened openings in the inner cover. above the cover sits a ventilation box, the depth of a medium super with screened vent holes on all sides. above that is the telescoping roof, which also has 3 vent holes in the front. the holes in the vent box are angled top to bottom and also biased to one side, so in the cold weather the vent box can be flipped and the vent holes are covered by the telescoping roof. when warm weather hits, the box is inverted. in three years of using them i've never seen my bees clustering on the landing board, because the temp was too high for them to all go inside. another advantage of the vent box is that it gives enough depth to use a feeder right over the inner cover. no robbing that way. also serves to hold frames in a pinch to feed back to the hive. i long ago removed the staples holding the screen on the center hole in the inner cover. when i don't need the opening, i just place the screen back on it and the bees propolize it into place. if you think the vent holes in the roof might be a problem in the winter, i can tell you that this past fall i didn't do anything special to winterize my hives except for adding an entrance reducer and flipping the vent box. no wrapping and no insulation under the roof. this spring the colonies took off like gangbusters. there are other differences in the design, and these hives are not for everyone [more expensive, more parts to assemble, non-standard dimensions - square boxes and 11 frames per box], but i really like them. if you're interested, pics of the hives can be seen at david eyre's [the d.e. in the d.e. hive] at http://www.beeworks.com hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 04:52:52 GMT References: <376D9761.9DA44F2@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621005252.12856.00002453@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18590 I have not written this before because I KNOW it is going to cause an uproar. There is reliable word out that AFB exists mainly in the WAX and if the wax is cleaned from the super and frame, it is considered re-usable. I mean simply SCRAPING the wax off. I then imagine Kevin's way of doing it, by boiling in lye would work rather well. Laura From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jun 23 06:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....land of milk and honey? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 04:58:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621005819.01977.00002242@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18591 From: maxieb@earthlink.net (Catherine Burns) >> As the only beekeeper in my Bible study class, I was asked to do a >> presentation on the Biblical references to bees and honey. Any Israeli >> beekeepers out there could shed some light on this often quoted phrase in >> the Old Testament? >> >> thanks, Vivian > >I was always told that this was a reference to the lushness of the land >there 3000 odd years ago. There was lots of grass and many flowering >plants, from which goats/cattle/sheep and bees make their respective >products. The areas I know that would fit the description of "land of milk and honey" are limestone-based (sweet) soils that have lush clover growth, leading to high productivity of bees and/or milk animals. Not having been to The Holy Land, I am guessing here, but It's likely that you have large areas underlain by limestone, which leads to sweet soils. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:05:48 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <376DBA1C.D48B7175@valley.net> References: <7kjuk0$l3u$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18592 Phillip Knowles wrote: > Dead bees in front of my two hive to the point they are attracting nats. > More than looks normal. Some are freshly "grounded" and still wiggling a > little (paralyzed?). Some seem very light and almost empty inside (I don't > know if they do that after they die). The bees were package bees from a > Georgia Apiary, and they were treated with Apistan before arrival. Checked > frames and brood pattern looks healthy, normal, and full. Did not check > any recently hatched frames. Suggestions??? greetings, you will see a LOT of dead bees in front of and around your hive as the season progresses. scared the hoozits outta me my first season, even though the keeper, who sold me my first nuc, warmed me to expect it. just wait 'til you seem 'em hauling out partially developed drone brood in the fall. anyway, figure that a healthy queen can lay more than 2000 eggs a day in build up mode. even if the death to birth ratio is only 1:2 and even if most of the bees die while foraging afield, that is still several hundred dead bees a day that have to be hauled out of the hive and disposed of in the 'graveyard.' quite a job for the housecleaning bees. if you watch your hive in the early morning, that's when you'll see a steady stream of the previous nite's expirees being removed. if some bees are still moving, they could be drones, kicked out because stores are light. happens with a new hive. this is 'normal' behavior. it is always possible that you have something else going on, but based on the info you provided, that's my 2 cent guess. hope this helps, bill ######################################### don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jun 23 06:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive. NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 05:05:23 GMT References: <7kjuk0$l3u$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621010523.01977.00002246@ng-cc1.aol.com> Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18593 From: "Phillip Knowles" >Dead bees in front of my two hive to the point they are attracting nats. >More than looks normal. Some are freshly "grounded" and still wiggling a >little (paralyzed?). Some seem very light and almost empty inside (I don't >know if they do that after they die). The bees were package bees from a >Georgia Apiary, and they were treated with Apistan before arrival. Checked >frames and brood pattern looks healthy, normal, and full. Did not check >any recently hatched frames. Suggestions??? If it's an ongoing thing, you probably are seeing mite damage; if it appeared suddenly, you took a pesticide hit. Look over what is blooming in your area that bees are working, and learn what insecticides are being used. It could be clover in the ground floor of an orchard, vegetables or sweet corn, aerial mosquito spraying, etc. If it's insecticide damage you see, someone violated label instructions, and you can get enforcement, but you probably will have to have a good understanding of the law, the proof of the misuse, etc. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenless hives Date: 21 Jun 1999 07:43:58 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7kkqfu$1u2i$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <929885169.533153@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 929951038 000 192.168.254.73 (21 Jun 1999 07:43:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 07:43:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18594 i think i special thanks to Ellen Anglin for helping me with my hive that i had since may 10. . she showed me how to inspect my hive without freaking out. and took the swarm i had 3 weeks ago, and even gave me a new queen. i wanted to put what happened on the newsgroup. after we out the new queen in her cage in the brood chamber and destroyed the queen cells. we left the i took the cork out the next day and three days later last Monday i took the little box out and put back the end honey frame taken out earlier to make space. the queen cage was empty. i didnt look for the queen that monday, but last thursday i was trying to look for the queen. i didnt see her, but i didnt check the last four frames, or for eggs, so i wanted to take a complete look at the bottom chamber before i start to panic. the upper chamber is total honey, looks like, and the super is still empty. lots of empty spaces in the frames of the lower brood chamber. so sunday i looked completely, no queen, and no eggs/larvae! at least i think, its still hard to tell. i will have to look again. if i dont find what looks like larvae, i will have to get another queen post haste, right? btw, i am getting more comfortable going into the hive, i was able to inspect it without freaking out. although one bee marked me for death on of the times i went in. quite unnerving. she was still angry hours afterward. only big problem is taking the frames out with gloves on. definately need to get the frame grabber. would appreciate all comments. cc email if possible. thanks. From randy-nessler@uiowa.edu Wed Jun 23 06:18:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!128.255.56.80!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My bees are aggressive!!!!!!Kinda wordy Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:41:45 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 57 Message-ID: <376E3309.FC193D2F@uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18595 How long until I have my yard back? This weekend, I planned on requeening three of my hives, as they weren't doing so hot. I've had supers on them for some time, and the bees have shown little interest in drawing comb or storing honey in them. I started put supers on with queen excluders, but pulled the excluders about a month ago, fearing that they were responsible for the lack of activity in the supers. Anyhow, it's all a learning experience. The first hive had a fair amount of sealed brood in it, and I found the queen and dispatched her, hanging the new Buckfast queen in her cage in the hive. This hive hadn't done much for honey production last year, but was great at glueing everything togethor with propolis. The second hive was obviously a novice mistake on my part, as I hadn't realized that the brood chambers had become honey bound, limiting space for brood production. It also had some poorly drawn out frames of brood comb, which I replaced with new foundation. I had enough equipment that I moved the honey filled brood chamber above a queen excluder (went over every frame looking for the queen and queen cells first), with some brood in the frames, thinking that the bees would want to tend the brood and forget about the excluder. I found the queen in this hive, and replaced her with the new Buckfast queen. Starting work on the third hive, I quickly realized that things were going to be a little different! Bees started bouncing off of my veil almost immediately. I was using a smoker, and covered from head to foot with a bee suit, veil and gloves. I took about six quick stings (a couple where the veil was too close to my neck, and some through the suit on my arms/shoulders). I went into retreat, and put on a thicker shirt under another suit that was dry. Back at the hive, I was met by many hostile bees, but was padded enough this time that their efforts were in vain. In this hive, I found very little brood, most of which was drone. I found no queen, and this hive was also heavy with honey in the brood chambers. Again, I moved the honey filled brood chamber above a queen excluder, but tried to leave out as much of the drone brood as possible. Didn't figure that I needed them up in the supers, eating honey with no way out. I placed the new queen in the hive, but with lack of any sealed brood and the hostile behaviour of the bees, I feel there might not be much of a chance of her being accepted. In hindsight, I wish I would have robbed a frame or two of brood from the first hive to add to this one, but hindsight is 20/20. So this was Saturday, and the bees were hopping mad. Yesterday, Sunday, I couldn't go out in the yard, as I would get chased back inot the house. The hives are located about fifty yards behind the house in our orchard. I had to hang clothes on the line with my bee suit on! I stood outside in the front yard, catching bees that were attacking me, killing them in my gloved hand. I must have killed a dozen this way. Why are they attacking? I have heard that a queenless hive can be aggressive, but I used to be able to walk out and stand next to the hives without any problem. Are they recognizing me by shape or odor? They are Italians (or at least that's what I bought last year). With a wife and two young children held hostage in my house, I want opinions as to how long these guys are going to remember Saturday. Then there's the lovely thought of getting back in the hives to make sure the queens have been released. That out to refresh their memories! Help.... Weather was mid 70F, light breeze, worked the hives in the middle of the day. Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 13:04:24 GMT References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18596 Bill Greenrose writes: >after posting a week or two ago about how i haven't been stung through >my leather gloves in 3 years, i got zapped yesterday, as the bees put me >in my place. In reading some of your detailed postings I would have thought you would have been a beekeeper (very experienced) who doesn't use gloves. I have a video which shows a beekeeper getting stung on the hands and grimacing a bit and then going on with the task. I'm going to buy the best quality gloves that I can find and learn to work with them. It's my understanding if you use top bar hives you don't have to tear the hive apart as much. I guess it is a matter of personal preference how long you keep your gloves. I'm not challenging you to abandon your gloves just making a few comments. Al. From dhazard@dial.pipex.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <376E3D37.BD13DD64@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:25:12 +0100 From: Darren Hazard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Wild Bee Hive in my Garden - Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.195.208 X-Trace: 21 Jun 1999 13:24:37 GMT, 139.92.195.208 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news.uk.ibm.net!139.92.195.208 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18597 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:103 I have just uncovered a wild bee hive under a garden shed that i am demolishing, i am concious of the decline of wild bees in Britain hence am reluctant to destroy/kill the hive. I am in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, if anyone can help that would be great. TIA Darren From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jun 23 06:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My bees are aggressive!!!!!!Kinda wordy Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 13:20:02 GMT References: <376E3309.FC193D2F@uiowa.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621092002.14574.00001462@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18598 From: nessler >Starting work on the third >hive, I quickly realized that things were going to be a little >different! Bees started bouncing off of my veil almost immediately. I >was using a smoker, and covered from head to foot with a bee suit, veil >and gloves. I took about six quick stings (a couple where the veil was >too close to my neck, and some through the suit on my arms/shoulders). >I went into retreat, and put on a thicker shirt under another suit that >was dry. Back at the hive, I was met by many hostile bees, but was >padded enough this time that their efforts were in vain. In this hive, >I found very little brood, most of which was drone. I found no queen, >and this hive was also heavy with honey in the brood chambers. Again, I >moved the honey filled brood chamber above a queen excluder, but tried >to leave out as much of the drone brood as possible. Didn't figure that >I needed them up in the supers, eating honey with no way out. I placed >the new queen in the hive, but with lack of any sealed brood and the >hostile behaviour of the bees, I feel there might not be much of a >chance of her being accepted Odds are that they had blown off a swarm. They may have had a virgin queen or maybe they were queenless (if her mating attempt had failed), but the hostility is due to the lack of young bees. As you say, your introduced queen doesn't have a very good chance, but I'd still get back and get some brood into that hive. Then they'll calm down. It also give them a chance to raise another queen, if necessary. And that one, they'll accept for sure. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jun 23 06:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Bee Hive in my Garden - Help Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 14:02:23 GMT References: <376E3D37.BD13DD64@dial.pipex.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621100223.25162.00001771@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18599 >I have just uncovered a wild bee hive under a garden shed that i am >demolishing, i am concious of the decline of wild bees in Britain hence >am reluctant to destroy/kill the hive. I am in Welwyn Garden City, >Hertfordshire, if anyone can help that would be great. In the US, we have county extension agents; you must have something similar in Britain. Check to find bee clubs in your area, and find local beekeepers. Some beekeepers will take the bees for you. You may be charged a fee, though. I don't know what customs are in your area. All this is presuming they are honeybees. If they are bumblebees, or wasps (which aren't bees at all), beekeepers wouldn't be interested, though a few do extermination service for other stinging insects. I am glad for your reluctance to kill them, and hope it won't be necessary. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen fecundation and scientific studies. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:39:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7klfa3$ado$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 21 13:39:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18600 I have various questions about queen fecundation, natural and artificial (so-called instrumental insemination) and would appreciate pointers on the subject. 1: Hobby beekeepers I contacted believe that queens inseminated artificially are less easilly accepted by a hive, that they do not lay as well as naturally fecundated queens and that the hive is more likely to requeen them. Has this effect been studied/documented or is it a mere rumour? 2: If the effect is more than a mere rumour, what would be the cause? Manipulation errors e.g. when using anaesthetic (wasn't it one of the cause of the change from ether to CO2?) or incomplete fecondation - leaks, use of too few drones? 3: What is the common practice for choosing drones for instrumental insemination: would all the drones come from a single hive or would one choose drones from different hives (still chosen amongst the best)? 4: Can one freeze drone sperm to keep for a long period, as I understand is done with mamals. If yes, how is it done (liquid nitrogen?) and how is the sperm brought back to the right temperature? 5: Are there definitive studies on how far a queen flies for natural mating? 6: I see in some old beekeeper litterature that the queen is followed by many drones when she leaves the hive for mating. Has this really been observed or is it a mere belief? I am a bit surprised that she manages to fly far away if this is the case, because the males -who appear to be able to fly better- should catch her quickly. 7: I have seen a few years ago a video of queen mating done by a German university. They attached the queen on a huge rotating arm to simulate fly and still be able to film. Anybody has got pointers to the results of that work? 8: How much would basic equipment for instrumental insemination cost (excluding the microscope)? Thanks in advance for any help. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best books to enlighten the ignorant? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 14:38:38 GMT References: <376d429d.6011165@news.mindspring.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621103838.07115.00001635@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18601 >Seems a shame to me to destroy the colony; I am intrested in managing >the beasts for pollination and honey. > >I have plenty of time before beginning the project. >Located in north central piedmon welp ya came to the right place first of all are you sure it's an old colony ? swarms love old houses. secondly if ya want em out and in a hive we can do this. or if you're really into it you could replace the inner wall with glass for a hell of a observation hive !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:54:37 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <376E522D.533DC0CE@riverace.com> References: <7kbatu$9pk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <001201beba71$884a6400$02000003@allend> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: IZrWTNlQPcGgfyxUu0rRr4KFzi7kExg/S0xPgwFQAFk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 14:54:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18602 Allen Dick wrote: > > > >Last week I started to notice a few NWC bees outside the > > hive (or being > > >carried out by others) alive, but with stubby or very short > > wings. > > Did you jar or shake a frame of sealed brood a week or two ago? Being a beginner, that's likely... I'm just starting to be able to go in without bumping too many things around. And I have been looking inside about every week. What's the tie between weird wings and bumping sealed brood? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fishing Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 14:59:25 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621105925.07115.00001643@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18603 >I feed the drone brood I cut to the goldfish- they love it- I hear it makes >great bait! (But so do wax worms allegedly...) >Ellen oh yeah wonderful bait one of the local bait shops put up a sign selling wax worms. bout 20 local beekeepers helped him take it down man those things burn bright !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From mdudley@execonn.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376E5BB4.4BB6B593@execonn.com> From: Marshall Dudley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cure for mites and PMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.30.67 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 929979566 216.111.30.67 (Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:39:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:39:26 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:35:16 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18604 I use to be a beekeeper, but was forced to get rid of my hives a decade or so since I was in a subdivision. I just purchased some propertery out in the country and was planning on getting some more hives. However I have been researching and found that mites are more than a bit of a problem. In the meantime I have become involved with the manufacture of colloidal silver. We have tested and found that this mineral kills every pathogen we and others have tried it on (over 650 or them), including all viruses, fungi, yeasts, bacteria, protozoa and clymedia. Interestingly enought in testing with animals, we have found that it also kills all fleas, lice and mites. We believe that the reason it kills all fleas and mites is that these insects require bacteria to digest the blood, and since the silver kills the bacteria, they starve to death. It does not appear to kill any beneficial insects, and is toally nontoxic to humans and other mammals. Anyway, I was amazed at all the reasearch that has been done on the mites for bees, and yet could find no test of colloidal silver at all. In addition, since PMS is caused by viruses spread by the mites, I am certain that colloidal silver would kill that in a couple of days at the most. I am very intersted in getting back into beekeeping, but do not see any really good remedies for the mites and PMS. Therefore I am proposing the following. If anyone would like to test colloidal silver for the mites and PMS, please contact me, and I will get you a gallon of colloidal silver to test with. I would like to see it tested alone (or mixed with honey or surgar water), as well as in conjunction with an essential oil. It might not even be necessary to use the essential oils. I am willing to bet that it will cure PMS in less than a week. Once this is confirmed then I can purchase some hives again. :> Thanks, Marshall From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Business Offer: patent and inculcation of modern beehive construction Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:09:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7kldhe$9mh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7kdgtr$h1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 21 13:09:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18605 In article <7kdgtr$h1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alexander Lazovsky wrote: > Dear Sirs! > > For last several years I work on improvement of beehives constructions. > In the June 1998 I've obtained the Israel patent of the new > construction of beehive. > The main difference of my new beehive is using the alternative > non - wood materials for making it possible to produce > the beehive that is lighter, cheaper and the beehive provides stable > microclimate inside for any weather condition and stands for simple, > quick and safe moving from place to place. > My new technology of producing the new beehive reduces time > for the whole process down to the 5 minutes and its cost down > for 2-2.5 times low comparing for regular wooden beehive. [...] Hives made of molded polystyrene foam are readily available in Germany ("Franken-Beute"). The manufacturer also advertises with "lighter, cheaper, better insulation and quick manufacturing". Would by any chance your construction be similar? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From @tinet.ie Wed Jun 23 06:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.dpn.de!news-out2.f.gtn.com!news-in2.f.gtn.com!195.206.66.162.MISMATCH!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:38:33 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Message-ID: <7kls8q$ifn$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <376D9761.9DA44F2@ozemail.com.au> <19990621005252.12856.00002453@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p26.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 929985626 18935 159.134.232.26 (21 Jun 1999 17:20:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 17:20:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18606 References please Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990621005252.12856.00002453@ng-cb1.aol.com>... >There is reliable word out that AFB exists mainly in the WAX and if the wax is >cleaned from the super and frame, it is considered re-usable. >Laura From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions about buying equipment Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 17:43:49 GMT References: <19990621120944.17745.00000230@ng-bg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621134349.01395.00003426@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18607 One huge issue in buying new equipment is how much the shipping costs are. Dadant, by having a shipping center in New England, can keep my cost of shipping down. By contrast, I was going to buy some equipment from a company that advertises in Bee Culture magazine (Browning Cut Stock) that seemed considerably cheaper than Dadant. However, once you added in the cost of shipping (Browning is located in Iowa or Idaho) it was way too expensive. As far as the actual price of equipment goes, Perhaps Dadant just takes advantage of economies of scale; that is, when a company is big enough, it can buy everything in bulk lots at a big discount price, then pass the savings on to us. However, skimming on quality could be a factor, too. I did order some frames >from them recently and the joint areas at each end of some of the top bars weren't properly hewn, so I'm having to carve off the miscut wood to make the frame sides sit properly. Out of 100 top bars maybe 8 of them were a misfit. But I would also suggest that you check out Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. The only piece of hive equipment I buy from Dadant (the frame purchase above was an exception) is bottom boards. I buy everything else from Brushy because the price is better. From aleciaf@hotmail.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alecia Warner" Subject: The Bee Adventure! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 57.houston-35rs.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.73.249.57 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 929983686280 Lines: 81 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:48:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 929983690 216.200.3.205 (Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:48:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:48:10 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18608 Hello all, I just wanted to drop a line, and let everyone that was so kind to help us out with all of the informative information about our new home project of beekeeping. As I had mentioned in my previous post we planned on opening our hive to inspect the inside and to take one frame for examination and study, the honey is a plus too. As per all the great advice we decided to wait and open the lid, not in the morning, but in the middle of the afternoon. This was a real spectacle, since we had an audience. My mother in-law and dad in-law wanted to see the whole thing, so we had their lawn chairs all ready. We only have two bee suits, so I got left out of the first adventure. We all discussed the first visit, and decided that our 13 year old son and dad should be the first to inspect, open and retrieve the first frame. So hence our adventure started…. The day was a hot one and a perfect for the occasion. The boys loaded their clothes on and tied down their veils and off they went. I had my binoculars all ready as the boys headed with their smoker in search for some pine straw or leaves to get it going. First they hit the front of the hive with a little smoke, next the prying tool… the lid removed pretty easily. More smoke…I personally think too much smoke was given, but this was our first time, so I held my tongue. Larry my husband removed the first frame to the left and shook it off, and laid it outside of the hive. He inspected all of the frames. No frames were capped! We could not believe this because there was so much honey in there or is it nectar? Larry decided on the frame he wanted, and he took it out and started to put back the other frames. We were advised against a bee brush (which we really think we needed, and we plan to get one next time we have to open up the hive along with a blower). Larry said it was really hard to get the bees off the frames because they were embedded in the honey on the frame. Is this normal? I know the bees should gorged themselves as the smoke hits them, but he said they were really stuck had their heads stuck in the honey. I think this was because of too much smoke, live and learn I guess. The bees were really agitated yesterday, but have calmed down today. They are busy gathering pollen. The pollen is different colors. Some is bright yellow and some orange. We plan to plant a lot of sage next year in our pasture, because we heard that makes the best honey. We did retrieve one frame and harvested the honey. It was smoky tasting, but good. I tried to cook it on the stove to get the honey taste out, which I did, but I think I got it a little, too hot. I figure I will get better as time goes. If any can recommend a good source for purchasing something that can help to process our honey including extracting it I would appreciate any comments. Our hive doesn't have a queen excluder. The beekeeper said he would sell us one, but that he did not recommend it. What is the advice there? He really did not elaborate too much. He is 80 or so and was a little hard of hearing. We plan to open the hive again, because Larry forgot to move the out frames into the center and check the brood chamber. He and my son were very nervous about hurting the bees. Larry said, I just went blank when I got the hive open. I could do was stare into the frames in wonder, and worrying over how many would I harm as I tried to remove the frames. The bees were really pretty gentle. They hardly even landed on either one of them. My father in law sat nearby about 10 feet and not one came near him. The whole thing was so interesting to see. In the morning we go out and watch the bees and sit very close to the hive, they do not seem to even bother with us. We also check in the middle of the afternoon, but they are very busy gather pollen at this time, so many are rushing in and then back out. Any case I hope we did a few things right, but any comments and suggestions are most welcome. Thanks to each and every one of you! Alecia -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cure for mites and PMS Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:17:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7kls20$fop$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <376E5BB4.4BB6B593@execonn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 21 17:17:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18609 Marshall Dudley wrote: > In the meantime I have become involved with the manufacture of colloidal > silver. We have tested and found that this mineral kills every pathogen ... What exactly are your credentials and your position? Are you a research chemist or biologist, or are you a janitor in a company producing colloidal silver? You don't say. Do you work for a pharmaceutical corporation or out of a shop in your basement? Your being "involved with the manufacture" tells us nothing about how trustworthy we might expect your science-oriented statements to be. > I am willing to bet that it will cure PMS in less than a week. Once > this is confirmed then I can purchase some hives again. :> That's mighty generous and unscientific of you, trying to get someone else to take all the risk, without any control group or anything. Do your testing under rigorously scientific controls if you want to know whether this or that is effective. It may be, for all my unscientific mind knows, that colloidal silver is the miracle cure and miticide of the future, but you've not given us enough information to hold that as a reasonable hope. And offering us a backdoor supply of an untested and unapproved chemical adds nothing to your credibility. In fact, it greatly detracts. This is not an ad hominem attack. But it is a request that you make yourself credible. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mgold41@ibm.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <376E8F15.73218550@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:14:29 -0400 From: Mark Gold X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New to the NYC area Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.253.66 X-Trace: 21 Jun 1999 19:18:20 GMT, 32.100.253.66 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 6 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.253.66 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18610 Hi my name is Lucrecia and I moved to NYC 10 months ago, I used to work with bees in my native Peru and I am looking to get acquainted with any beeking group around New York City. Any information will be helpful. Thanks Lucrecia Briceno From summerbeam@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: summerbeam@aol.com (Summerbeam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No brood found Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 20:46:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621164607.03947.00001677@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18611 Hi- I recently (3 weeks ago) got a 5 frame "nuc" with a Carnolian queen supposedly). My question is: The hive seems quite active and is putting up honey and pollen but, I find no brood. Did my queen die? If so, how long do I have to get a replacement? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thank you, Bruce Wilson summerbeam@aol.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-230.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:59:20 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <7kjuk0$l3u$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> <19990621010523.01977.00002246@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.e6 X-Server-Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:02:17 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18612 OK... we've got two diametrically opposite opinions on this phenomenon... I'd love for other veteran beekeepers to weigh in... this sorta thing is confusing for a novice... like me. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pushing the boundaries of beekeeping Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:22:44 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: <$16hHDAk0qb3EwZQ@gandboss.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 930000303 nnrp-12:27456 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18613 Hi, I have an interest in observation hives and have kept one in our house {tame wife :-)} for several years. Last year I video'd some very interesting behaviour when the first queen emerged after swarming. Basically the bees seemed to restrict the access of the free queen to the remaining queen cells and were very rough on her. Also the remaining queens seemed to be confined within their cells. A lot of piping was going on from these confined queens each having a distinctive note. Anyway this year I wished to see exactly what was going on. I got the hive to the point of swarming and just as the first Q cells were sealed I carefully cut them out and cut a rectangular slot down the side about 4mm x 12mm. I then fused the cell to a pre prepared cover slide (very thin glass) which would offer low thermal inertia, and inserted three such cells back into the hive. The grubs were not physically harmed by this operation as there was plenty of space around the grub at that stage. The atmosphere within the cell would be lost but I figured that as the cell capping is porous this was not significant. I filmed the pupae's rapidly changing into mature queens without any apparent problem. Disappointingly there was little piping, as I wished to catch a virgin queen actually piping within her cell but failed this time. On emerging all the queens were killed by balling which took a long time. Up to five days before death. Q?. Anyone got any ideas why this happened and how I might improve this technique. I have a lot more details if anyone is remotely interested in this backwater of beekeeping experience. Or if you are going to the Stoneleigh Spring Beekeeping Convention in the UK next year on the Saturday you will be able to see this video and much more as I have the ?privilege? of giving the memorial lecture on these experiences. Not an advert really honest. Regards to all readers Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From spcherub@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions about buying equipment Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jun 1999 16:09:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621120944.17745.00000230@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18614 Hello All, I am new to beekeeping and have been doing alot of research on the internet and by reading books. In pricing hives and equipment from various suppliers, I have run across an extreme price discrepancy between most suppliers and Dadant, the latter being 25% to almost 50% cheaper in most cases. My question to all you veteran beekeepers out there is this: Is this a case of Dadant having just that much more buying and thus selling power (kinda like Walmart) or is this a case of Dadant's supplies being that much lower quality? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. R.T. From nospam@nospam.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Ian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cure for mites and PMS Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:53:53 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <376E9850.E372E4AD@nospam.com> References: <376E5BB4.4BB6B593@execonn.com> <7kls20$fop$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: nospam@nospam.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.169.112 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 929994736 29703 12.75.169.112 (21 Jun 1999 19:52:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 19:52:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 49 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18615 paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > In the meantime I have become involved with the manufacture of > colloidal > > silver. We have tested and found that this mineral kills every > pathogen ... > > What exactly are your credentials and your position? Are you a research > chemist or biologist, or are you a janitor in a company producing > colloidal silver? You don't say. Do you work for a pharmaceutical > corporation or out of a shop in your basement? Your being "involved with > the manufacture" tells us nothing about how trustworthy we might expect > your science-oriented statements to be. > > > I am willing to bet that it will cure PMS in less than a week. Once > > this is confirmed then I can purchase some hives again. :> > > That's mighty generous and unscientific of you, trying to get someone > else to take all the risk, without any control group or anything. Do > your testing under rigorously scientific controls if you want to know > whether this or that is effective. > > It may be, for all my unscientific mind knows, that colloidal silver is > the miracle cure and miticide of the future, but you've not given us > enough information to hold that as a reasonable hope. And offering us a > backdoor supply of an untested and unapproved chemical adds nothing to > your credibility. In fact, it greatly detracts. > > This is not an ad hominem attack. But it is a request that you make > yourself credible. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Paul Kent Oakley > The Sabine Farm > Ava, Illinois, USA And then there's the regulatory aspect of this (I just finished a semester of environmental law... blech). Once you've made claims for your product (in this case pesticidal, fungicidal and bacteriacidal) your product falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) which is enforced by EPA. Then you'll need to supply EPA with all sorts of toxicity, residue, and environmental data to get it registered as a pesticide. And to do field trials with the product in order to gather info needed to get a registration you'll need to obtain an Experimental Use Permit from EPA, too. If you make claims and don't get the product registered under FIFRA you're in violation of the law. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Bee Hive in my Garden - Help Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:18:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kmchn$im2$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <376E3D37.BD13DD64@dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.fluvoxamine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930002295 19138 62.136.68.235 (21 Jun 1999 21:58:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:58:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18616 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:104 Almost certainly bumblebees - do you know the difference between honey and bumble? Try to leave them if you can; if you are removing the shed and the nest is exposed then it would be helpful if you could provide some sort of cover to protect them from the rain. The nest will die out between July and September (dependent on the species) after producing new queens for next year. Darren Hazard wrote in message <376E3D37.BD13DD64@dial.pipex.com>... >I have just uncovered a wild bee hive under a garden shed that i am >demolishing, i am concious of the decline of wild bees in Britain hence >am reluctant to destroy/kill the hive. I am in Welwyn Garden City, >Hertfordshire, if anyone can help that would be great. > >TIA Darren > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:47:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kmcho$im2$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <376C3690.B7347061@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.fluvoxamine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930002296 19138 62.136.68.235 (21 Jun 1999 21:58:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:58:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18617 Thanks Bill - I have since found some references on the web. Not sure that this is the sort of thing that I would want in my honey! Whilst oil and honey may not mix, it seems to me that Tween could well assist the oil to emulsify with the honey. Bill Greenrose wrote in message <376C3690.B7347061@valley.net>... >> >Tween 20 is a trademark name for polysorbate 20, a water soluble surfactant. it >is often used as an oil/water emulsifying agent. memory fades, and i can't >remember the exact chemical formula, but it is part of a family of 'tweens', >Tween 60 and Tween 80 being others in general use. it is very commonly used in >the pharmaceutical, cosmetic and food industries [check a label on a bottle of >salad dressing: polysorbate = Tween]. it can be consumed without harm. > >bill > >-- >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:57:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kmchs$im2$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> <37696942.394E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.fluvoxamine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930002300 19138 62.136.68.235 (21 Jun 1999 21:58:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:58:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18618 By this point it may well be too late to save the colony. workerbee wrote in message <37696942.394E@earthlink.net>... >I've found a major infestation of varroa mites when that happens, and >treat immediately. > >Don > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:50:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kmchp$im2$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au> <7kj2jd$c24$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.fluvoxamine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930002297 19138 62.136.68.235 (21 Jun 1999 21:58:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:58:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18619 Back to WBC hives then? >Another example is the way tents are designed today. We don't use a single >material that is totally waterproof anymore. Talk about moisture on the >inside!! Now we have the ceiling of the tent made from a breathable >material with a waterproof canopy/fly that goes over the tent to keep the >rain out. The outside shell is waterproof but designed in such a way to >still allow moisture to escape. > >Regards, > >-Barry From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenless hives Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:56:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7kmchq$im2$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <929885169.533153@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.fluvoxamine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930002298 19138 62.136.68.235 (21 Jun 1999 21:58:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 21:58:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18620 I think that you will find that they have swarmed. The 'loads of bees' have come from the brood that has hatched out since the swarm left. The population will now decline as bees die off and then lift as your new queen starts to lay - but there will be quite a break in brood rearing, perhaps a month, and your honey production will suffer. Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <929885169.533153@super.ccp.com>... >Can someone explain why I continue to find hives with no queen. When I >inspect I find loads of bees and no eggs or sealed brood at all. In most >cases, but not all, there are queen cells, but with all the bees that are >left I don't think they swarmed. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.6.79.69!peernews!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:13:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7kmdfn$jk1$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kjuk0$l3u$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> <19990621010523.01977.00002246@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.ibuprofin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930003255 20097 62.136.73.71 (21 Jun 1999 22:14:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 1999 22:14:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18621 Whilst I would agree that you will see some dead bees in front of a hive, it is NOT normal to see large numbers during the active season - the 'undertaker' bees usually carry them some distance before dropping them.In contrast, in the early spring it is usually a good sign to see a fair number of dead bees outside the hive as this is an indication that there are a good number of live ones inside doing some housekeeping. What would worry me is that Phillip says that some (define some!) are freshly grounded and 'wiggling'. We need more information: If they are drones then they may be being ejected - possibly because of a food shortage - although this would not account for a large number of bees. If this is a sudden phenomenon - within a day - then it could be a pesticide problem; numbers could amount to hundreds or even thousands. If there are just dozens - but on an ongoing basis - then I would suspect acarine or varroa, possibly in conjunction with chronic paralysis virus. Are there any physical deformities - stunted bees, deformed wings, K-wings? Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >OK... we've got two diametrically opposite opinions on this phenomenon... >I'd love for other veteran beekeepers to weigh in... this sorta thing is >confusing for a novice... like me. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From barry@birkey.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:51:55 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7kmjc7$fut$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7kbo9j$g1s$2@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990617201756.11254.00000886@ng-cd1.aol.com> <7kcbh5$n7c$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kcdcf$caa$1@emu.cs.rmit.edu.au> <7kj2jd$c24$1@eve.enteract.com> <7kmchp$im2$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18622 In article <7kmchp$im2$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Back to WBC hives then? > >>Another example is the way tents are designed today. We don't use a single >>material that is totally waterproof anymore. Talk about moisture on the >>inside!! Now we have the ceiling of the tent made from a breathable >>material with a waterproof canopy/fly that goes over the tent to keep the >>rain out. The outside shell is waterproof but designed in such a way to >>still allow moisture to escape. I suppose this is one of the strong points of the WBC hive but I'd personally opt for one of the many creative ways beekeepers have learned to vent the Langstroth hive since this is what I have. Barry From rowdy1@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: rowdy1@ix.netcom.com (Andrew Rawson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees attracted to Pledge?? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:25:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <376ee5e0.82879608@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lai-ca4b-109.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 21 8:26:14 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18623 Strangest thing happen today as I was cleaning the house. I was using Pledge furniture polish to dust all my rooms and my big wood front door, when I finished I noticed that my whole house was surrounded by hundreds of bees trying to get in the screen windows. I can only guess that it was the Pledge that attracted them because they swarmed my front door screen very heavily even fighting one another to try to get in. Am I crazy or would this make sense? Any info any of you professional beekeeps have would be greatly appreciated. If it's not too much trouble also respond via e-mail as this is not a uual newsgroup I watch. Thanks! Andy Rawson rowdy1@ix.netcom.com From jcounce@jemez.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news1.bewellnet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: "Jim Counce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving to the cold Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:29:18 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7kmhsq$21cj@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-277.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18624 I currently live at 6000 ft in New Mexico where winters seldom have temps below 0 f. We will be moving to 8000 feet about 12 miles away where winter temps are well below 0 f. How well can my bees handle this move? Can they forage in pine forest? I have only one hive and it is doing super right now and I don't want to lose it. I could put it at one of my friend's houses at a lower altitude. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. -- Jim Counce email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html From pakdad@mindspring.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of hive. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:40:34 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7kmpki$so6$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7kjuk0$l3u$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> <19990621010523.01977.00002246@ng-cc1.aol.com> <7kmdfn$jk1$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.07.85 X-Server-Date: 22 Jun 1999 01:41:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18625 Answer to Charles from Original writer: I have seen workers wrestling drones out of the hive (and they mean business!). I had a sterile queen this spring, and there were way to many drones around. But, I got that problem fixed. I did not take note that the dead bees out front are drones, but it is hard to tell because they are hollow and empty inside. The few bees that I could find that were wiggling did not seem to have deformities. Again the brood patterns look good. When will bees stop producing large numbers of workers in Georgia? I have one hive that is just getting up to speed now in mid June. Thanks for all the help. From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ....land of milk and honey? (long text) Message-ID: References: <19990621005819.01977.00002242@ng-cc1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 158 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.234 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 930016831 216.100.28.234 (Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:00:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:00:31 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:05:04 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18626 Here's some research on the Bible references on these subjects: *** it-1 275 Bee *** BEE [Heb., devoh·rah']. Biblical references in the main quite evidently relate to wild honeybees. The description of Canaan as "a land flowing with milk and honey" indicates that bees were very numerous in that land from early times. (Ex 3:8) The warm climate and the abundance of flowers continue to make it a land suitable for a large bee population, and beekeeping is very popular there in modern times. Of the more than 20,000 varieties of bees known, the kind most common in Israel today is a dark bee called Apis mellifica syriaca. The honey eaten by Jonathan during one military campaign was found in the woods, the bees' nest likely being in a hollow tree. (1Sa 14:25-27) Wild honeybees of the Jordan Valley provided John the Baptizer with a large proportion of his food. (Mt 3:4) Bees nest not only in trees but also in other hollow cavities, such as clefts of rocks and walls.-De 32:13; Ps 81:16. The account at Judges 14:5-9 has caused some question. Samson, having slain a lion, returned to find "a swarm of bees in the lion's corpse, and honey." The strong aversion of most bees to dead bodies and carrion is well known. It should be noted, however, that the account states that Samson returned "after a while" or, literally in the Hebrew, "after days," a phrase that can refer to a period of even a year. (Compare 1Sa 1:3 [The expression "from year to year" in the Hebrew is literally "from days to days."]; compare Ne 13:6.) The time elapsed would allow for the scavenger birds or animals and also insects to have consumed much of the flesh and for the burning rays of the sun to desiccate the remainder. That a fair amount of time had passed is also evident from the fact that the swarm of bees not only had formed their nest within the lion's corpse but also had produced a quantity of honey. The ferocity of attack by a disturbed hive of bees is used to describe the way in which the Amorites chased the Israelite forces out of their mountainous domain. (De 1:44) Comparing enemy nations to a swarm of attacking bees, the psalmist says they were held off only by faith in Jehovah's name.-Ps 118:10-12. The prophet Isaiah graphically foretold the invasion of the Promised Land by the armies of Egypt and Assyria, likening their troops to swarms of flies and bees for which Jehovah God figuratively whistles so that they come in and settle on the torrent valleys and the clefts of the crags. (Isa 7:18, 19) The 'whistling' does not denote an actual practice among those keeping bees but simply indicates that Jehovah attracts the attention of the aggressive nations to the land of his covenant people. Two women in the Bible bore the name Deborah (meaning "Bee"), the nursing woman of Rebekah (Ge 35:8) and the prophetess who cooperated with Judge Barak in the defeat of Canaanite King Jabin.-Jg 4:4. *** it-1 1134-5 Honey, Honeycomb *** HONEY, HONEYCOMB Bee honey is a sweet, viscid fluid manufactured by bees. Honey is referred to in the Hebrew Scriptures by the words no'pheth (flowing honey, or comb honey) and devash'. This latter word may refer not only to bee honey but also to the syrup of fruits. (Le 2:11, ftn) In the Greek Scriptures me'li is used, along with the adjective a'gri·os, "wild," to denote the honey of wild bees. The Honeycomb. The honeycomb is a marvel of engineering; it reveals the Creator's unparalleled wisdom and ability in putting such "engineering" and construction instinct in the honeybee. The hexagonal shape of the cells is ideal for holding the maximum quantity of honey with a minimum of beeswax, the material of which the cell walls are made. When a comb is being built, beeswax is made by special glands in the bee's body. It oozes through pores in the body, forming small white flakes. Using its legs, the bee moves the flakes to its jaws. It then chews the wax and places it in the part of the honeycomb being constructed. The walls of the comb are only one third of a millimeter (1/80 in.) thick but can support 30 times their weight. Honeybees build their nests in a variety of places, including trees, rocks, and, in one case, even in the carcass of a dead animal, which evidently was no longer carrion but had been dried out by the sun. This was the lion's carcass from which Samson ate honey.-Jg 14:8, 9. Honey. Bee honey is made from the nectar obtained from flowers and fruit. In the process of gathering the nectar and depositing it in the honeycomb, certain chemicals from the bee's body are added. Some of the water evaporates from the nectar, and the chemicals transform the nectar into honey. The color and flavor of honey vary according to the source of nectar. Honey is easily assimilated by the body and quickly converted into energy. Most of the Bible's references to the honey of bees is to wild honey, such as John the Baptizer ate in the wilderness. (Mt 3:1, 4) The energy-giving property of honey is illustrated in the case of King Saul's son Jonathan who, exhausted >from battle, tasted some honey. Immediately his eyes "began to beam." (1Sa 14:25-30) This energy food is listed among the provisions God supplied for his people in the wilderness. There, where few trees existed, the people were able to get honey to eat "out of a crag," that is, from the honeycombs that the bees built in rocky places.-De 32:13. Illustrative Use. The curative properties of honey are compared to pleasant sayings and wisdom, not only because of its sweetness and fine taste but also because of its health-giving qualities. Pleasant sayings are healthful spiritually, just as honey is good for the physical body. The writer of Proverbs says: "Pleasant sayings are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and a healing to the bones."-Pr 16:24; 24:13, 14. The sweetness and enjoyment of eating honey is applied illustratively throughout the Scriptures. Examples are found at Ezekiel 3:2, 3 and Revelation 10:9. Comb honey is often mentioned, for it is considered superior in flavor, sweetness, and richness to honey that has been exposed to the air for a time. Emphasizing the goodness and pleasantness of the words spoken by the Shulammite girl, her shepherd lover speaks of them as "comb honey" that keeps dripping from her lips. (Ca 4:11) Jehovah's judicial decisions are so fine, healthful, and beneficial that they are even "sweeter than honey and the flowing honey of the combs." (Ps 19:9, 10) His sayings are 'smoother to the palate than honey to the mouth.'-Ps 119:103. While honey is good, overeating of it can cause nausea (Pr 25:16), and this eating of too much honey is compared to people seeking out their own glory.-Pr 25:27. Proverbs chapter 5 uses the sweetness of comb honey to illustrate the temptation to sexual immorality that the "strange woman" can bring to bear by her appeal to a man with her use of charm and smooth words. It constitutes a fine warning to Christians today. "As a honeycomb the lips of a strange woman keep dripping, and her palate is smoother than oil. But the aftereffect from her is as bitter as wormwood; it is as sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet are descending to death," says the wise man. Her smooth, honeylike words and actions lead the man right up to the immoral act so that "all of a sudden he is going after her, like a bull that comes even to the slaughter."-Pr 5:3-5; 7:21, 22. Honey of Fruits. The Hebrew word devash' can refer also to the juice, or syrup, of fruits-figs, dates, and so forth. Often the context enables the reader to determine whether or not bee honey is meant. Evidently the syrup of fruits is what is prohibited from being offered on the altar at Leviticus 2:11, because of its tendency to ferment. That bee honey is not meant here is indicated by the next verse, which included the prohibited "honey" as firstfruits to be offered to Jehovah. Since most of the honey used by the Israelites was wild honey, not a cultivated crop, the "honey" offered as firstfruits when Hezekiah motivated the people to support the priesthood was undoubtedly the juice or syrup of fruits.- 2Ch 31:5. A Land of Milk and Honey. The description of Palestine as "a land flowing with milk and honey," often repeated in the Scriptures, is apt, for not only was the land well supplied with the product of bees but also with the syrup of fruits. (Ex 3:8; Le 20:24; De 11:9; Jos 5:6) The latter is apparently referred to as being an item of trade exchanged for Tyre's merchandise.-Eze 27:2, 17 In article <19990621005819.01977.00002242@ng-cc1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam says... > From: maxieb@earthlink.net (Catherine Burns) > > >> As the only beekeeper in my Bible study class, I was asked to do a > >> presentation on the Biblical references to bees and honey. Any Israeli > >> beekeepers out there could shed some light on this often quoted phrase in > >> the Old Testament? > >> > >> thanks, Vivian > > > >I was always told that this was a reference to the lushness of the land > >there 3000 odd years ago. There was lots of grass and many flowering > >plants, from which goats/cattle/sheep and bees make their respective > >products. > > The areas I know that would fit the description of "land of milk and honey" > are limestone-based (sweet) soils that have lush clover growth, leading to high > productivity of bees and/or milk animals. > > Not having been to The Holy Land, I am guessing here, but It's likely that > you have large areas underlain by limestone, which leads to sweet soils. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.idt.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:56:43 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 930016863 24.93.149.35 (Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:01:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:01:03 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18627 It's better to get stung now and then to keep your tolerance to the venom. Working with bees for many years can get you sensitized to the venom and when you do get stung, you could go into anaphalytic shock. If you're afraid of the sting, you shouldn't be keeping bees. Try grabbing a worker by the wings(with your gear on) and take her to your garage or something and bare an arm or leg and apply her. Do it on a regular basis. Your resistance will build and eventually you will gain the confidence to roll up your sleeves and go to work. At least on the nice days. From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Message-ID: References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.234 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 930017313 216.100.28.234 (Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:08:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:08:33 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:13:10 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18628 On my top bar hives the bees always plaster the comb up against the side of the hive on the combs that the bees have been working for some time. (Maybe I should get in there more often). I tried one with sides sloping in, and the next one I tried with sides straight up and down and in each case the bees plastered the comb up against the side walls. I have to run the hive tool down both sides of the comb to free the comb from the sides, and with a heavy, ripe comb, even then the comb might come free from the top bar and, if you aren't watching for that to happen, go plopping down onto the bottom of the top bar hive, covered with unhappy bees and with honey oozing out on them. Have you seen live bees covered in honey? It doesn't seem to drown them. Next time I will try one with the sides sloping outward, or maybe use a barrell cut in half where the sides will slope out from the top bars. In article <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > It's my understanding if you use top bar hives you don't have to tear > the hive apart as much. > From pigeonif@usit.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376EF34E.9DD88B8F@usit.net> From: Roger Fain Reply-To: pigeonif@usit.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:25:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.193.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 930018353 205.241.193.160 (Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:25:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:25:53 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18629 That was my thought too, a laying worker. It seems like I read years ago, where in a queenless colony workers can lay eggs and produce a queen. Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: > > > >I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when > >the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. > > > > Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched > out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jun 1999 02:45:43 GMT References: <7kls8q$ifn$1@scotty.tinet.ie> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621224543.11254.00002717@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18630 The best I can do for you since I said "Reliable Word out" not that I read it anywhere, is......(drumroll please) Washington State Apiarist was to have said it. Jim Bach WSDA 509-576-3041 Best I can do. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jun 1999 02:41:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990621224114.27463.00001311@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18631 rick writes: >It's better to get stung now and then to keep your tolerance to the venom. >Working with bees for many years can get you sensitized to the venom and >when you do get stung, you could go into anaphalytic shock. If you're afraid >of the sting, you shouldn't be keeping bees. Try grabbing a worker by the >wings(with your gear on) and take her to your garage or something and bare >an arm or leg and apply her. Do it on a regular basis. Your resistance will >build and eventually you will gain the confidence to roll up your sleeves >and go to work. At least on the nice days. > Rick Thanks for the advice, it makes a lot of sense. I'll make a point of trying that. Al From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:44:06 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 56 Message-ID: <376EF875.AF0499E@valley.net> References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-101.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18632 Jajwuth wrote: > Bill Greenrose writes: > > >after posting a week or two ago about how i haven't been stung through > >my leather gloves in 3 years, i got zapped yesterday, as the bees put me > >in my place. > > In reading some of your detailed postings I would have thought you would have > been a beekeeper (very experienced) who doesn't use gloves. I have a video > which shows a beekeeper getting stung on the hands and grimacing a bit and then > going on with the task. > I'm going to buy the best quality gloves that I can find and learn to work with > them. It's my understanding if you use top bar hives you don't have to tear > the hive apart as much. I guess it is a matter of personal preference how long > you keep your gloves. I'm not challenging you to abandon your gloves just > making a few comments. > Al. ah, i see i've managed to hide my ignorance behind a shield of postings. i try to make it a point to mention every few postings that i'm in my third year of beekeeping with a couple of hives and consider myself to be, maybe, a step above rank amateur. my comments are, usually, based on hard-learned lessons from working with my own hives. the how-not-to-do-it school, so to speak. occasionally, questions pop up of a chemical or biological nature that i can answer, too. i also regurgitate well what i've learned from postings here over the past few years by the real experts [allen, kevin, peter, and the recently departed and sorely missed andy, to name a few]. as to gear, i wear a full bee suit and gloves. occasionally, i'll forgo the suit and just go with a hat and veil for brief inspections. i've thought about giving it a go without the gloves, but i see no reason to inflict more pain on myself than necessary. in three years i've been stung twice by my bees and only once while working the hives [last week]. probably makes me a pansy-*ss in the eyes of the pros [who i do admire for their developed tolerances to stings], but, hey, i'm just in it to have fun and boost the local pollination rates. i don't swell up very much from a sting, so i don't see a need to expose myself to regular 'desensitizing' stings. maybe someday i'll tackle my hive maintenance barehanded, but for now, i'll take the added confidence my gloves and suit give me and use it to better focus on what i'm doing. don't worry, i didn't take your comments as a challenge. it really is a matter of personal preference. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:13:27 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <376EF146.22160D48@valley.net> References: <01beb86b$e3f75040$50d32dc7@spike> <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net> <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <376C3690.B7347061@valley.net> <7kmcho$im2$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-101.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18633 Peter Edwards wrote: > Thanks Bill - I have since found some references on the web. > you're welcome. > Not sure that this is the sort of thing that I would want in my honey! > > Whilst oil and honey may not mix, it seems to me that Tween could well > assist the oil to emulsify with the honey. > yes, i'm not quite sure why they added it to the mix. perhaps to make foamy honey? seriously, i don't believe it was for it's emulsifying features, so i guess is was to reduce surface tension and, thus, aid in the spreading of the oil. but, when i've used mineral oil, i have found the bees quite capable of spreading it all over themselves. although, you're numbers do suggest that its addition yields a more effective treatment. for now, i'll leave the polysorbate in my salad dressing. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:01:10 GMT References: <376EF875.AF0499E@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621230110.11261.00003257@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18634 If it's any consolation.....The ONLY times I have been stung is when I am wearing gloves. Started with 4 packages in April. Figured out very quickly that I would have a much easier time manipulating my frames without gloves. Another incentive was I had holes in my gloves and it was either do without or by a new pair. SO I bought a new pair that have yet to be worn :-) Laura From jlbar@webtv.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jlbar@webtv.net (Jackie Barentine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: my first time on this post and my first yr in bees on 3-27 i started Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:33:56 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8604-376EF614-289@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwfLanIRZMckZYPUmTdZHFs5nMeMCFAzIf+BYomxUjiKJWF55ib2ZtH1s Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18635 3 colonyies with packeged bees. after 1 of them became queenless i placed another hive box with a frame from 1 of the strong hives that had a queen cell and a lot of nurse bees on top of the queenless oneuseing the newpaper trick. how will i know when they become one colony. should i go in and check after a week or what.this is a great post. Mega Ditos Jack Barentine From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-86.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:21:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.56 X-Server-Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:24:14 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18636 In article , "rick" wrote: > It's better to get stung now and then to keep your tolerance to the venom. > Working with bees for many years can get you sensitized to the venom and > when you do get stung, you could go into anaphalytic shock. SNIP > Try grabbing a worker by the > wings(with your gear on) and take her to your garage or something and bare > an arm or leg and apply her. Do it on a regular basis. Your resistance will > build and eventually you will gain the confidence to roll up your sleeves > and go to work. At least on the nice days. This seems contradictory to me... First graph, are you not saying that the build up of stings is dangerous? Second graph, are you not saying that building a resistance, through regular stings, is desirable? Clarify, please? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-86.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:25:33 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.56 X-Server-Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:28:31 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18637 FWIW... Except when I was on a job photographing a beekeeper in Arizona a few months ago (with some VERY aggressive, probably mixed-Africanized bees), I don't remember the last time I was stung. That day, I was stung once twice or three times through the gloves, and once on the tip of my nose, the veil pressed against same while I was trying to focus the camera. I didn't react much at all, but I am curious about this "sensitization" I'm reading about here... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:34:21 GMT References: <376EF146.22160D48@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990621233421.26286.00002649@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18638 Just checking here...the phrase "food grade mineral oil" refers to the stuff you can buy for a few dollars in any pharmacy sold as a laxative, correct? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 03:01:36 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.90 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:59:01 GMT X-Trace: 930023941.480.51 KRFRRPH9I985ACE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18639 Hi, Is there a coating that bee's wax wouldn't stick to ? Cooking shortening ? Maybe there's a wood that the bees don't like, but wouldn't hurt them ? What about a false wall of something the bees could attach to , but would be easy for you to cut, detach, unthread, or take out intact, as are frames, or rounds ? Would they cooperate, if you shaped a strip of comb to the shape of your hive walls, such that you maintain the proper spacing between your home made "foundation" and the hive wall ? What if the hive were split in fashion to pick up parts of it while leaving the rest in place ? Is there a URL to a picture of this style of hive ? Maybe a whole different concept is possible . I've read, and seen, people using blankets, instead of top boards for hives . It won't work everywhere, nor all the time, even where it can be used, but it's something to learn about . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/21/99 7:13PM, in message , Peter Amschel wrote: On my top bar hives the bees always plaster the comb up against the side of the hive on the combs that the bees have been working for some time. (Maybe I should get in there more often). I tried one with sides sloping in, and the next one I tried with sides straight up and down and in each case the bees plastered the comb up against the side walls. I have to run the hive tool down both sides of the comb to free the comb from the sides, and with a heavy, ripe comb, even then the comb might come free from the top bar and, if you aren't watching for that to happen, go plopping down onto the bottom of the top bar hive, covered with unhappy bees and with honey oozing out on them. Have you seen live bees covered in honey? It doesn't seem to drown them. Next time I will try one with the sides sloping outward, or maybe use a barrelbarrell cut in half where the sides will slope out from the top bars. In article <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > It's my understanding if you use top bar hives you don't have to tear > the hive apart as much. > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave2!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: my first time on this post and my first yr in bees on 3-27 istarted Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:59:44 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7kncbh$990$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <8604-376EF614-289@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.37 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930034865 9504 12.72.42.37 (22 Jun 1999 07:01:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 07:01:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18640 You could have just put a frame directly in the queenless hive. Every time I have used newspaper, they have crewed through within 24 hours. It is pretty apparent from the debris in front of the hive. Since you are trying to get a queen to emerge and mate, I would leave them be. I would also want to find out why the other new hive had queen cells. It could be queenless also. -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Jackie Barentine wrote in message news:8604-376EF614-289@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > 3 colonyies with packeged bees. after 1 of them became queenless i > placed another hive box with a frame from 1 of the strong hives that had > a queen cell and a lot of nurse bees on top of the queenless oneuseing > the newpaper trick. how will i know when they become one colony. should > i go in and check after a week or what.this is a great post. > > Mega Ditos > Jack Barentine > From rebeck@paco.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!news.sebastopol.ua!news.paco.odessa.ua!not-for-mail From: rebeck@paco.net (BEREG) Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.medicine,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-VENOM Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:01:23 GMT Organization: PACOnet Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <376f8921.11041746@news.paco.net> Reply-To: rebeck@paco.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ultra.paco.odessa.ua X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.medicine:53635 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18641 Company "Bereg" offers to supply: 1. 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Irina Nazarova From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pushing the boundaries of beekeeping Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:43:24 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7ko0ho$8gn$1@gxsn.com> References: <$16hHDAk0qb3EwZQ@gandboss.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.217.203 X-Trace: 930055544 1NNUCNF1GD9CBC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18642 >I have an interest in observation hives and have kept one in our house >{tame wife :-)} for several years. Graham I've tried to keep my wife in an observation hive but she refuses to work unless I let her out What's the secret? Chris From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No brood found Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:34:37 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 33 Message-ID: <376F90ED.269802F1@riverace.com> References: <19990621164607.03947.00001677@ng-cr1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reUkDxkg1fdVOTYkwGvcx7vGU00ob1FnFcNNOgruAKo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 13:34:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18643 Hi Bruce, I'm a first year beekeeper, also, and surely other people will weigh in with ideas, but... > I recently (3 weeks ago) got a 5 frame "nuc" with a Carnolian queen > supposedly). My question is: The hive seems quite active and is putting up > honey and pollen but, I find no brood. Did my queen die? If so, how long do I > have to get a replacement? I started two hives this year from nucs. Both had initial "trouble" because there was no room for the queen to lay - either they hadn't drawn out enough comb or the existing comb was full of nuc brood or honey or pollen. In both cases, they nearly filled the first brood box, and in both cases, I added a second box and moved a couple of drawn frames (with brood if needed) up to the second box. Within a week or two, there was lots of new eggs. You should probably be feeding 1:1 sugar syrup if they'll take it. It's worth checking carefully over all the frames - look for the queen and for hints as to why she's not laying much, if she's there. If she's there, but there's no space, make some. If she's there, with space, but not laying, maybe good to get a new one. If she's not there, get a new one - there's an off chance she didn't survive the introduction. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:38:12 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <376F91C4.F85A9544@riverace.com> References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> <37696942.394E@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: Hs8VWt95E/mgBDV8wrsKYdXkZGyHsBPgkAU2+4LuwNs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 13:38:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18644 workerbee wrote: > > I've found a major infestation of varroa mites when that happens, and > treat immediately. Hmmm... should I be able to see the mites? I looked at drone brood, and and I looked over a number of frames with a magnifying glass. Nothing. I also had Apistan on this hive when I started it from a split this spring. The Apistan's only been out for about 4 weeks. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees attracted to Pledge?? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:48:21 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 6 Message-ID: <376FB045.196A@juno.com> References: <376ee5e0.82879608@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.136 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 930059829 OCZ7E7JIA4888D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Andrew Rawson Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18645 if it's "lemon-scented pledge" it's probably acting as a mimic of the orientation pheromone from the nasonov gland in the posterior dorsal abdomen...swarm-trap lures usually contain citral or some lemon essential oil analog, as well as other components (geraniol most commonly). From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:47:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ko5gp$bsg$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> <37696942.394E@earthlink.net> <376F91C4.F85A9544@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a3.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18646 Steve Huston wrote: >workerbee wrote: >> >> I've found a major infestation of varroa mites when that happens, and >> treat immediately. >Hmmm... should I be able to see the mites? I looked at drone brood, and >and I looked over a number of frames with a magnifying glass. Nothing. >I also had Apistan on this hive when I started it from a split this >spring. The Apistan's only been out for about 4 weeks. >-Steve >-- >Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! Have you noticed any bees pulling other bees out of the hine on the bottom board? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From bobpursley@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jun 1999 14:19:41 GMT References: <19990621230110.11261.00003257@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990622101941.08875.00000903@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18647 In article <19990621230110.11261.00003257@ng-cd1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) writes: > Started with 4 packages in April. Figured out very quickly that I would have >a much easier time manipulating my frames without gloves. Another incentive >was >I had holes in my gloves and it was either do without or by a new pair. SO I >bought a new pair that have yet to be worn :-) > I work africanized bees, gloves are NECESSARY. But I have a pair with the thumb and two fingers cut off at the end to help the sensitivity of my fingers to handle the frames gently. Often, it doesnt matter, the bees will attack no matter how sensitive i move the frames. From boothmus@pavilion.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (boothmus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee venom collection - venom.txt [1/1] Date: 22 Jun 1999 15:43:06 GMT Organization: None Message-ID: <7koaua$j53$2@grind.server.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-28.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: X-uue X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930066186 19619 194.242.139.28 (22 Jun 1999 15:43:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 15:43:06 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18648 begin 755 venom.txt M2&]W(&1O('EO=2!C;VQL96-T(&)E92!V96YO;2X@22!U;F1E2X@5&AE M('1H:6X@2!T:&5I Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <%lOb3.1312$el4.44092@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:40:42 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 930066939 209.69.69.100 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:55:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:55:39 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18649 My bees fasten the combs to the sides when I haven't spread the bars lately, and given them new bars to work on- They will get "Lazy" and build more comb around the edges before they will travel to the back of the hive to build new comb. If I give them empty bars near the brood nest, they happily build there, and scarcely attach to the walls at all. When I trim comb away from the walls, it try to cut it so that the bees are let wit a 1/4 inch bee space between the comb and the wall- they are slower to re-attach this than if the space is larger or smaller. But if they are crowded, they attach every time. Ellen From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:45:27 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 34 Message-ID: <376FBDA7.75AF6FEF@riverace.com> References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> <37696942.394E@earthlink.net> <376F91C4.F85A9544@riverace.com> <7ko5gp$bsg$1@news1.Radix.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fWN+xANdkniIzfbmEG4DqNZ8CWa80r/w2BUYrWzPlzA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 16:45:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18650 honeybs wrote: > > Steve Huston wrote: > > >workerbee wrote: > >> > >> I've found a major infestation of varroa mites when that happens, and > >> treat immediately. > > >Hmmm... should I be able to see the mites? I looked at drone brood, and > >and I looked over a number of frames with a magnifying glass. Nothing. > >I also had Apistan on this hive when I started it from a split this > >spring. The Apistan's only been out for about 4 weeks. > > >-Steve > > Have you noticed any bees pulling other bees out of the hine > on the bottom board? Yes - bees have dragged out these weird-winged ones and dropped them outside. I haven't seen any others getting dragged out. It seems to be less of the weird-winged ones today, but the hive in general seems less active, just comparing the outside activity with the hive a couple feet away. I think I'll have a look inside later today. Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From hamilton@pbssite.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No brood found Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <376f7706.59103203@news3.usenetserver.com> References: <19990621164607.03947.00001677@ng-cr1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:48:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 930052465 207.91.44.54 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:54:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:54:25 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18651 I too had a similar hive this spring from a purchased nuc .. let them go 4 weeks, never did see any brood, and now they are as mean as can be .. they have superceedure cells so I'm letting go at this point. The second I smoke or open the top bunches come out and slam into my hood. Since I'm more curious than short on honey, I'm watching them. If I were you, I'd order a queen ASAP and give her to them with a couple frames of brood from some other hive.. If you do as I have, you won't get any honey this year. Just another do as I say, not as I did suggestion. Dave On 21 Jun 1999 20:46:07 GMT, summerbeam@aol.com (Summerbeam) wrote: >Hi- > >I recently (3 weeks ago) got a 5 frame "nuc" with a Carnolian queen >supposedly). My question is: The hive seems quite active and is putting up >honey and pollen but, I find no brood. Did my queen die? If so, how long do I >have to get a replacement? > >Any thoughts are appreciated. > >Thank you, > >Bruce Wilson >summerbeam@aol.com From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7kbatu$9pk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <001201beba71$884a6400$02000003@allend> <376E522D.533DC0CE@riverace.com> Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5mNb3.1308$el4.44061@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:06:04 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 930062849 209.69.69.104 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:47:29 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:47:29 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18652 How do migratory beekeepers avoid having tons of bees with deformed wings if jarring deforms them- I can't imagine anything jarring a hive more than trucking it across the country... Ellen Steve Huston wrote in message news:376E522D.533DC0CE@riverace.com... > Allen Dick wrote: > > > > > >Last week I started to notice a few NWC bees outside the > > > hive (or being > > > >carried out by others) alive, but with stubby or very short > > > wings. > > > > Did you jar or shake a frame of sealed brood a week or two ago? > > Being a beginner, that's likely... I'm just starting to be able to go in > without bumping too many things around. And I have been looking inside > about every week. What's the tie between weird wings and bumping sealed > brood? > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From mdudley@execonn.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376FC920.1491FD9D@execonn.com> From: Marshall Dudley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cure for mites and PMS References: <376E5BB4.4BB6B593@execonn.com> <7kls20$fop$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <376E9850.E372E4AD@nospam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.30.67 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 930073118 216.111.30.67 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:38:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:38:38 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:34:24 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18653 Ian wrote: > And then there's the regulatory aspect of this (I just finished a semester > of environmental law... blech). Once you've made claims for your product > (in this case pesticidal, fungicidal and bacteriacidal) your product falls > under the jurisdiction of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and > Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) which is enforced by EPA. Then you'll need to > supply EPA with all sorts of toxicity, residue, and environmental data to > get it registered as a pesticide. And to do field trials with the product > in order to gather info needed to get a registration you'll need to obtain > an Experimental Use Permit from EPA, too. If you make claims and don't get > the product registered under FIFRA you're in violation of the law. It was in use prior to the FDA (prior to 1938), and is grandfathered, just like aspirin. For instance, a doctor can tell people to take aspirin to help prevent heart attacks, and the FDA cannot do anything about it because it also was grandfathered. As far as the EPA and pesticides, then you can't supply information to them without doing any testing. That is what I am wanting to do, testing. You have to put the cart in front of the horse. I am not sure you even have to register with the EPA for giving mineral supplements to livestock. Seems odd to me. It is approved already as a CURE for killing viruses, funguses, bacteria, yeasts and so forth in humans and animals. I don't think it kills mites directly, so it should not be classified as pesticide, but if it kills the bacteria in their stomach they need for digestion and they die of starvation, like fleas and mites on dogs do, tough luck. :> Vets are already using it for that so would I need additional approval to see if it works on bees and mites? They are all animals. I am a little puzzled. It seems that there are several organizations doing studies on killing the mites using extremely toxic materials and poisons, and this is ok, but if the substance it totally non-toxic to humans and other animals but could easily be effective for not only the mites, but would almost assuredly be effective for the diseases mites are a vector for, no one is interested in pursuing it? Of course I have run into this before; no one really cares for any natural substances even when proven to cure diseases if they can't make money on it, and you can't make big money on colloidal silver because it is not patentable. What a shame. I was just looking, and don't see any approvals for the essential oils that are presently being used on mites. Who got the approvals on those? I am surprised anyone did since that is not patented either, and would lack the same "big money potential" problems that colloidal silver does. The offer still stands though. Marshall From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 23 06:19:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pushing the boundaries of beekeeping Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:58:31 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <$16hHDAk0qb3EwZQ@gandboss.demon.co.uk> <7ko0ho$8gn$1@gxsn.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 930070789 nnrp-07:23981 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18654 In article <7ko0ho$8gn$1@gxsn.com>, Christopher Dainton writes >>I have an interest in observation hives and have kept one in our house >>{tame wife :-)} for several years. > >Graham >I've tried to keep my wife in an observation hive but she refuses to work >unless I let her out >What's the secret? >Chris > > > I find as with bees selection is the key, the traits to look for are pretty much the same. 1/ Good Housekeepers 2/ Hard working 3/ Reasonable temper 4/ Freedom from disease 5/ Frugal with resources 6/ Willing to buy a round in the pub 7/ Can change a fuse 8/ Excellent cook mmmmm. lost the plot from 6 onwards I think :-) Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From julie_wise@my-deja.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Julie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:37:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7kohl0$f17$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> <19990621090424.04332.00001002@ngol04.aol.com> <376EF875.AF0499E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 22 17:37:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 32.97.110.71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18655 In article <376EF875.AF0499E@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: > i try to make it a point to mention every few postings that i'm in my > third year of beekeeping with a couple of hives and consider myself to > be, maybe, a step above rank amateur. > as to gear, i wear a full bee suit and gloves. occasionally, i'll > forgo the suit and just go with a hat and veil for brief inspections. > I've thought about giving it a go without the gloves, but i see no > reason to inflict more pain on myself than necessary. We share a similar experience level and my husband & I also wear full suits on most occasions. I've been stung several times in the last 3 years - and each time deservedly so! Once during the first year I was working the hive at nearly sunset with no smoke - they managed to get through the glove that time. Another time I was trying to flick a bee off of the mason jar we were feeding them sugar water with - she turned around and gave me the what for. And once, after working with a sweet, gentle swarm I was feeling a little overconfident and thought I'd take the mouse guards off the entrances - was just going to be at their entrance for a second or two, no one would even notice. I must have taken more than a second because this time I actually ran for the house and discovered that I'd brought a few in with me (in my clothes). These last 2 occasions I wasn't wearing any gear. They keep life interesting & challenging! Julie (& Roger) Indiana Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mdudley@execonn.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <376FC744.5D91C71D@execonn.com> From: Marshall Dudley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cure for mites and PMS References: <376E5BB4.4BB6B593@execonn.com> <7kls20$fop$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 331 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.30.67 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 930072645 216.111.30.67 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:30:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:30:45 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:26:28 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18656 paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > In the meantime I have become involved with the manufacture of > colloidal > > silver. We have tested and found that this mineral kills every > pathogen ... > > What exactly are your credentials and your position? Are you a research > chemist or biologist, or are you a janitor in a company producing > colloidal silver? You don't say. Do you work for a pharmaceutical > corporation or out of a shop in your basement? Your being "involved with > the manufacture" tells us nothing about how trustworthy we might expect > your science-oriented statements to be. > I am the president of Silver Lightning. > > I am willing to bet that it will cure PMS in less than a week. Once > > this is confirmed then I can purchase some hives again. :> > > That's mighty generous and unscientific of you, trying to get someone > else to take all the risk, without any control group or anything. Do > your testing under rigorously scientific controls if you want to know > whether this or that is effective. > Risk. The only risk I know of is if it doesn't work. We know it kills all pathogens. Don't know about mites. I have contacted the local university, but they said they have no money to do any testing. I have no hives any more, and if it doesn't work I don't want any. > It may be, for all my unscientific mind knows, that colloidal silver is > the miracle cure and miticide of the future, but you've not given us > enough information to hold that as a reasonable hope. And offering us a > backdoor supply of an untested and unapproved chemical adds nothing to > your credibility. In fact, it greatly detracts. I didn't think I needed to give any information on colloidal silver since it is so well known. But here are some papers that discuss it followed by some urls that have additional information: Obstetrics and Gynecology The medicine department of obstetrics and gynecology at UCLA conducted tests in 1988 regarding the use of silver solutions as disinfectants. Anti-microbial and anti-bacterial effects were demonstrated in 10/5 concentrations per milliliter of the following: neisseria gonorrhea, gardurella vaginalisis, streptococcus pyogenes, staphylococcus aureus, candida albicans, candida eolobata, m. furfur, salmonella typhi. Larry C. Ford, M.D., UCLA Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, UCLA School of Medicine, November, 1, 1988. AIDS Study Eight people recover from the AIDS virus in a scientifically documented study. An additional seven AIDS patients recover as verified by anecdotal reports, Testimonials AIDS Virus. Dr. M. Paul Farber, M.P. N.D., Ph.D., D.C. Author of the "Micro Silver Bullet TM" 4th Edition, November 1996 ISBN 1-87742-00 X Pages XIII & XVI. Department of Health and Human Services (NIH) and cancer center laboratory test results, regarding Lyme disease. Borrelia burgdorferi and hermsti, organisms associated with causing the symptoms of Lyme Disease, were tested at the Department of Health and Human Services, Rocky Mountain Laboratories and Fox Chase Cancer Center, respectively, in 1995; in the Rocky Mountain Labs study, it was demonstrated that no live spirochetes of either borrellia burgdorferi [B310 orhermsti (HS-1)] survived after 24 hours of exposure to colloidal silver in concentrations of 15 ppm and 150 ppm. Department of Health and Human Services, National Institutes of Health, Rocky Mountain Laboratories, January, 13, 1995, Schuan, Tom, Ph.D., Burgdorfer, Willy Ph.D. Cancer Research Research by Dr. Robert O. Becker, and others indicated that laboratory tests conducted reverted cancer cells back to normal (not kill them but return them to normal). Other observations made such as a correlation between silver deficiency and illness or proper immune system functioning, burns, soft tissue and bone repair acceleration, and the formation of cells that appear to be able to repair virtually any part of the body. Reduction of inflammation and the anitbacterial, germicidal, astringent, antibiotic attributes so far observed are yet to be fully understood. The Body Electric, Dr. Robert O. Becker ISBN 0688069711 Quill, New York or William Morrow & Company The Environmental Protection Agency’s Poison Control Center reports no toxicity listing for Colloidal Silver; it is therefore considered harmless in any concentration. However, all of the silver salts are identified as toxic, although the only adverse effect noted is Argyria. Therefore the concern is with silver salts and compounds, not colloidal silver. C.E. A. MacLeod reports colloidal silver being used with marked success in the following cases: "Septic and follicular tonsillitis, Vincent’s angina, phlyctenular conjunctivitis, gonorrheal conjunctivitis, spring catarrh, impetigo (contagious acne of face and body), septic ulcer of legs, ringworm, soft sores, suppurative appendicitis after operation (the wounds cleaned rapidly), pustular eczema of scalp and pubes, chronic eczema of meatus of ear with recurrent boils, chronic suppuration in otitis media, and bromidrosis of feet. By injection: gonnorrhoea and chronic cystitis (local), boils, epididymitis." Lancet, Feb. 3, 1912 p. 83. The Use of Colloids Health and Disease "The germicidal action of certain metals in the colloidal state having been demonstrated, it only remained to apply them to the human subject, and this has been done in a large number of cases with astonishingly successful results. It is not suggested that colloidal metal solutions …. But for internal administration, either orally or hypodermically, they have the advantage of being rapidly fatal to the parasites both bacterial and otherwise without any toxic action on the host. Colloidal silver solution is quite stable even in the presence of salts and the normal constituents of the blood. Its destructive action on toxins is very marked, so that it will protect rabbits from ten times the lethal dose of tetanic (from tetanus) or diphtheric toxin." Searle, A. B. The Use of Colloids Health and Disease (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, May 12, 1917 p.83), E.P. Dutton & Company, New York, 1919, p.75 A research paper on theory of operation: http://silver-lightning.com/research2.html more links on the web: http://www.nu-gen.com/silver.html This site makes reference to the massive number of people who died in U.S. hospitals from infections that no pharmaceutical drug could stop. Colloidal silver is one of the best remedies that the public has to protect themselves for a massive health crisis in the making. http://csprosystems.com An extensive site providing information on all aspects of colloidal silver. This is considered one of the best sites to purchase a home unit. If you are going to purchase a home unit for short-term use and supplementation, then this is one that seems to be the best for the money http://www.2001mall.com/wp/jld/2jldindex.html John Meredith, an experienced medical writer, has a good article at this site entitled: "The Rebellion of Germs Against Antibiotics". Mr. Meredith points out the dangers of the modern world for the easy spread of infections that antibiotics can do nothing about. He explains why drug companies hate natural remedies. They do not make available grant money to study what they feel that they cannot make money on. Mr. Meredith makes reference to a number of cases that colloidal silver has helped including "Gulf War Syndrome" and a number of common medical conditions. He makes reference to a Dr. Tipton that feels that it should be a daily mineral supplement. The article makes a point on why every household should keep colloidal silver on their shelves. It is great to protect children and the elderly. A reference is make about protection from food poisoning which is becoming more and more a serious public health issue. http://aa-micro.com/frame.html At this site, Dr. Marc Micozzi of Philadelphia says, "What we call alternative medicine is colloidal Silver, The Antibiotic Alternative, even though it is traditional medicine for 80percent of the world. What we call traditional medicine is only a few centuries old. Nowadays there are many different medical practices to choose from. More and more medical doctors are evolving holistically. The underlying premise is the prevention of disease and in creating wellness. A great book to buy is: The Wonders of Colloidal Silver by Dhyana Coburn and Patrick Dighan, featured in our Online Store. There are good short articles discussing the deficiency of silver in our diet and the benefits of utilizing colloidal silver. There has never been a case of overdose or documentation of a drug interaction that is common with pharmaceutical drugs. Colloidal silver can be applied through the skin as well as drinking it. http://www.xmg.com/csilver.htm A good listing of articles about Colloidal Silver. Peter Lindeman’s article makes it clear that not all colloidal silver is the same. His discussion will educate you to evaluate the quality of colloidal silver and what to look for. When you consider long-term use, it is important that the colloidal silver has been properly made. http://www.wwmagic.com/clearlake/silver.html This site refers you to Clear Lake Press on how to order Dr. Hill’s book, Colloidal Silver: Medical Uses, Toxicology, and Manufacture http://www.choicemall.com/lifeweb/ Lifeweb is about a family that found the benefits of colloidal silver for themselves and now manufacture it for sale to the public. http://www.idigital.net/idw/colsilv.htm A good summary of the research; what colloidal silver what it treated prior to 1938; it is as nature intended; how it kills disease-causing organisms; and the most important qualities in the use of colloidal silver for human use. http://www.ipo.net/helmut/formor/silver.html A summary discussing the history of colloidal silver, including the dynamic and important uses of colloidal silver for humans. A statement is made at this site how colloidal silver is effective against many protozoa and parasites. This would further protect humans if used as a means of preserving health. http://healthuniverse.com/Where_are_the_Blue_people.html This particular site makes a tongue in cheek reference about the "blue people" or the case of agyria, which has been used over the decades by members of the medical establishment to scare consumers from the long-term use of colloidal silver. Colloidal silver is excellent for health maintenance used as a mineral supplement. It is absolutely not true as you will learn. There are references of using colloidal silver successfully in the treatment of cancer, AIDS, and Lyme disease. http://www.survival.com.mx/silver.html This site has some personal testimonials on the use of colloidal silver. This site had references to articles that were unique discussing why colloids work. There is a formulation for burns listed at this site. High quality colloidal silver mixed with pure aloe vera is an excellent application from mild to third-degree burns. http://www.victorialee.com/Colloidal.html A nice summary of common questions concerning the use of colloidal silver with humans. There was a good question addressing the presence of silver in our body. http://dave.robbins.net/csilv.htma This site discusses how the long-term use of colloidal silver is safe and effective. http://2001mall.com/wp/jld/3jldindex.html This is another reference to the article written by medical writer, John Meredith, "The Rebellion of Germs Against Antibiotics." http://www.newexperience.com/tesimoni.htm Some unusual testimonials are listed at this site in regards to dental abscesses. This site lists the common and accepted medicaments that are used by the medical professionals. A good point is that using colloidal silver as an disinfectant on humans does not cause stinging or irritation. The site has a short article addressing the concern about the use of colloidal silver on the digestive tract. There is another short article about the use of silver in the regeneration of tissue. The article on why mercury in dental fillings is not harmful because it is mixed with silver is absolutely wrong. However, we do not want to confuse the positive benefits of colloidal silver with misinformation about the placement of the extremely toxic poison, mercury, in the human body. http://www.newexperience.com/moreinfo.htm This is the same site as above with a different site reference. http://www.canstar.net/members/sww/all_about_sww.html The use of colloidal silver for topical burns and for oral health is discussed at this site. Reference is made to the alternative health pioneer, Dr. Hilda Clark, who had stated that parasites in the human body are responsible for ALL diseases. This site discusses how colloidal silver kills hundreds of varieties parasites in the body. This colloidal silver sold at this site recognizes the value of energy imparted at a particular frequency. Dr. Holcomb, a neurologist at Vanderbilt Medical School, has shown how properties of a therapeutic agent are potentiated when exposed to certain magnetic fields. This demonstrates once again how Silver Lightning TM has utilized the best of technology today with our understand of energy fields. http://apothecary.hypermart.net/cs-reports.htm An excellent source for reports and articles on Colloidal Silver. There are over 1,000 more sites, but that should keep one busy for a while. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Wed Jun 23 06:19:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: 22 Jun 1999 19:01:53 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 94 Message-ID: <7komj1$c73$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <37647BE6.3C24CB0C@sk.sympatico.ca> <37699B18.ED781F66@ozemail.com.au> <7ke971$9ls$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <376D9761.9DA44F2@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18657 Chris Allen (calin@ozemail.com.au) wrote: : David J Trickett wrote: : > I have also : > heard that the boiling lye solution method does not kill the spores, but : > if this is the case, then I should be suffering re-infection in my : > salvaged equipment. I am not, and it is not because I am using continuing : > TM treatments. I treat once after applying salvaged equipment, and : > that's it... Perhaps some of the spores survive but not in places that : > they are readily picked up by the house and nurse bees. : I suspect this the reason for the alleged success of this mthod. You are only : reducing the chance of re-infection from you own equipment. As long as it does : not occur again with in a short time people think it works. Any subsequent : re-infcetion is presumed to have come from outside the hive. But can you be : certain of that? I am talking *years* later, not months... And in some cases these frames were used for queen rearing, without TM. : : > Did the studies test : > re-infection by treated equipment or simply survival of the spores? : > : Don't know. Well, then my original point still stands, doesn't it? (!) : : > THe TM should : > take care of any spores transmitted to the larva from the worker bees, : > and the frame removal takes care of the source of reinfection. : Only if you keep topping up the TM (it breaks down in just a few weeks). While : your honey has TM in it , you cannot extract it. Eeating honey with TM in it : can do drastic things to your digestion. You digestion system actually requires : a lot of (freindly) bacteria to work. TM will kill them and give a tough time. No. This is precisely the point. If you remove the source of re-infection and treat for a short period after that, the problem should be solved. Once you remove the scale-laden frames there is no new source of reinfection... As for spores in the honey... How are the spores getting into the honey? And if so, in what concentrations? All that should be left of the spores is some residual scattered aound the hive. And frankly, I think the existence of this *residual* contamination is merely theoretical... Where is it coming from? I *know* where the contaminated brood cells got their contamination (it was manufactured in the bodies of the infected brood) but where are these spores (that last for 4o years) that are supposed to re-infeect the colony -- forever, sans TM treatment -- supposed to be residing? In behind the propolis covering every surface in the colony? : > If this : > means taking the hive out of production for the year, so be it. : The spores survive for 40 years (or more). It might be better to take the hive : out of production for 50 years (or more). Why would you want to do that? Aside from the prohibitively high O&M costs, and the lack of a stream of income during this period, it would seem like a foolish thing to do, considering what I've already written. So the spores survive for 40 years.... Big deal. THey have to survive *and* be present in a form or manner conducive to re-infection for re-infection to occur. If this were not the case I think that we'd have lost the feral population to AFB rather than varroa. Everytime a colony succumbed to AFB, it would have been robbed out and the infection introduced elsewhere. The feral colony density certainly was great enough to support the spread of varroa; it would have supported the spread of AFB too... The simple fact that this did not happen (massive feral die-off due to AFB) implies that our understanding of AFB is incomplete, or that this discussion, (sans comments such as Allen's re: resistance) is missing some crucial factors. When a colony succumbs to AFB, varroa, whatever, the brood comb and eventually the honey storage comb is consumed by moth larva. Apparently the spores do not survive the larval digestive tracts, and that is the end of those spores. However, as you say, there are other spores in and around the dead colony, and presumably the robber bees from surrounding colonies have plenty of time and opportunity to pick these up and introduce the infection to their own colonies. So why didn't AFB wipe out everything but the TM-treated population decades ago? I am arguing that the mere presence of viable spores does not necessarily mean infection -- and pointing to the lack of an AFB feral pandemic as evidence. Spores alone do not an infection make; reservoirs of re-infection, and natural selection for resistance are probably more important variables. Dave From circuit@REMOVETHIS.bigfoot.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:01:39 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18658 Are there any Alabama beekeepers out there? Larry From beefarmer@cybrtyme.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:38:45 -0500 Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: calhoundial31.cybrtyme.com Message-ID: <376ff16c@cybernews.cybrtyme.com> X-Trace: 22 Jun 1999 15:26:20 -0600, calhoundial31.cybrtyme.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!newsfeed.mia!cybernews.cybrtyme.com!calhoundial31.cybrtyme.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18659 I think we covered this last year. Contact Jim Smith 334-675-9129 beesmith@zebra.net President : Alabama Beekeepers Association Larry Williard wrote in message news:7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com... > Are there any Alabama beekeepers out there? > > Larry > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:41:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> To: Larry Williard X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 22 Jun 1999 21:44:02 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Jun 22 14:45:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust67.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <377002FF.1EC9@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18660 All in Alabama except for a few that may be elsewhere. Don in NC From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames for baby nucs Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:52:46 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7kp0k7$pgt$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.90 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 930088391 26141 12.72.40.90 (22 Jun 1999 21:53:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 21:53:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18661 I am going to be building about 6 baby nucs for queen mating. I plan to use 3 frames as deep as a medium and about 1/2 the length of a std Langstroth. I want to use baby nucs so I can discretely place them in the garden. Don't want the neighbors to think they live next to Adee Farms. Is there a source for baby nuc frames or do beekeepers build their own? -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there From circuit@REMOVETHIS.bigfoot.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:40:17 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7kp144$shc$1@news.vic.com> References: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> <376ff16c@cybernews.cybrtyme.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.43 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18662 well Im sorry for trying to find out if there are any new ones out there, excuuuuse me. I thought that was one thing the NG was for. My mistake. Larry Darrell Laney wrote in message <376ff16c@cybernews.cybrtyme.com>... >I think we covered this last year. >Contact Jim Smith >334-675-9129 >beesmith@zebra.net >President : Alabama Beekeepers Association >Larry Williard wrote in message >news:7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com... >> Are there any Alabama beekeepers out there? >> >> Larry >> >> > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hard to find queens Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:55:51 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 22 Jun 1999 21:58:35 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Jun 22 15:05:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust67.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37700667.33A5@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18663 I collected a swarm earlier this year. They filled a deep and never started filling a super, although there was still a honey flow. Right at the end of the honey flow, I checked them. No queen, no eggs but lots of larva and sealed brood and lots of superceedure cells (all Capped). I put one frame of bees with two queen cells into an observation hive and made three splits, all with queen cells. All four had queens hatch. I never found the girl in the observation hive so I added a few eggs the other day and they made a queen cell. Could not find a queen in another one so I gave them a frame with a few eggs and they made a queen cell. I found eggs and larva in one hive but could never find the old girl. I transfered the frames to another hive today and she was then found on the side of the old box. In the last hive, I have not been able to find the girl either, so today I planned to give it some eggs but found a frame with newly laid eggs. Still have not found her. I have noticed the bees in all these hives are runners and I never found the original queen but once. I have hives that I can find the queen everytime they are opened up. Just thought someone out there might enjoy this. What I cannot figure out is why at least two that hatched dissapeared. Don in NC From bud1941@webtv.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5257-377002CF-63@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <%lOb3.1312$el4.44092@ord-read.news.verio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQl5B0qO4pdKy6AP8+1Jr+ecoeSFAIVAK+nJIEUO1yLONT/PLv+mxSbnHld Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18664 We use gloves all the time. The only time we move frams is when the queen lays too high in the hive and we exchange frams from below. This is only done when we are pulling honey. If the hive is week or is a drone layer combine it with another hive. It is very very rare that we have to pull frams. Never let your queen ever reach over one year of age and most of your problems will be solved. We run between 500 and 1000 hives and it has been years sience I've been in the bottom of most of these hives. We do our meds and mitetisides when we pull honey after each flow. Mites stay under control and we have very little foulbrood. If you keep these under control , feed them well and keep YOUNG QUEENS you will have very few other problems. BUD FROM FLORIDA From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jun 1999 22:35:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990622183535.27463.00001445@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18665 "Stretch" writes: >> It's better to get stung now and then to keep your tolerance to the venom. >> Working with bees for many years can get you sensitized to the venom and >> when you do get stung, you could go into anaphalytic shock. > I would interpret it to mean that you should try to build your tolerance to the venom by being stung regularly, If you do not and you encounter a multiple stinging episode as a beekeeper you may go into shock. The statement seems clear to me. Al From bud1941@webtv.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5258-37700814-37@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <376D9761.9DA44F2@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRox+gL0wIMxSsxtoEEhnFdjz/bmgIVAIhRp7d2TJ9YyKOucsRublTDFU7F Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18666 Tell me something CHRIS ALLEN you said that TM breaks down in a few weeks and from what I've read I do agree. Then you say that it has bad effects on you if eaten after that. If its broken down whats the problem, it sure could not kill the stuff in you if its broken down. Please explain I do not understand. BUD From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-43.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:50:17 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> <376ff16c@cybernews.cybrtyme.com> <7kp144$shc$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.2b X-Server-Date: 22 Jun 1999 22:53:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18667 In article <7kp144$shc$1@news.vic.com>, "Larry Williard" wrote: > well Im sorry for trying to find out if there are any new ones out there, > excuuuuse me. I thought that was one thing the NG was for. My mistake. > > Larry Larry... don't let the ornery varmits in here skeer you off... I wasn't here last year, and if someone had posted a contact number for a beekeeper in Colorado, where I am, at that time, I wouldn't have know it. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-43.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <19990622183535.27463.00001445@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.2b X-Server-Date: 22 Jun 1999 22:51:26 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18668 In article <19990622183535.27463.00001445@ngol03.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > "Stretch" writes: > > >> It's better to get stung now and then to keep your tolerance to the venom. > >> Working with bees for many years can get you sensitized to the venom and > >> when you do get stung, you could go into anaphalytic shock. > > > > I would interpret it to mean that you should try to build your tolerance to the > venom by being stung regularly, If you do not and you encounter a multiple > stinging episode as a beekeeper you may go into shock. > Thanks, Al pal! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 23 06:19:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom collection - venom.txt [1/1] Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:16:56 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <37701968.249EF738@ozemail.com.au> References: <7koaua$j53$2@grind.server.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 930093379 13391 203.63.79.234 (22 Jun 1999 23:16:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 23:16:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18669 boothmus wrote: > How do you collect bee venom. I understand that a piece of thin > rubber latex stretched over a frame and placed on top of the hive > can be used. I've never tried collecting venom but I remember hearing a fine wire mesh at the bottom was the common method. I guess that would be easier and more effective than rubber at the top. From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 23 06:19:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!wa.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames for baby nucs Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:28:17 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37701C11.6EB66672@ozemail.com.au> References: <7kp0k7$pgt$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 930094059 15085 203.63.79.234 (22 Jun 1999 23:27:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jun 1999 23:27:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18670 George Styer wrote: > I plan to use baby nucs so I can discretely place them in the garden. > Don't > want the neighbors to think they live next to Adee Farms. You may find baby nucs do not survive for very long. If they do survive, they won't provide a honey surplus. Try using normal hives placed where they are not clearly visible e.g.. behind a hedge. Paint them some colour that does not stand out. I believe camouflage is all the rage these days. You could drape some camouflage fabric over the hive. From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> Subject: Re: argh, she got me Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:40:56 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 930095123 24.93.149.35 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:45:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:45:23 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18671 Just to clarify. The wife of our state aparist had gone many years without a sting. Just handling her husband's laundry and products of their 14 colonies had, over the years, sentisized her to the venom and when she got stung one day, the shock nearly killed her. Since then, she makes sure she gets stung regularly to keep up her resistance. I'm not a real brave soul and I wear my gear most of the time. I'll go barehanded on the nice days when I'm shifting supers or just checking the brood. If it's been a while since I've had a sting, I'll grab a bee before I leave and let her sting when I'm out of range so I don't excite the others. From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Jun 23 06:19:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:09:58 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <377025D6.F04668E9@ozemail.com.au> References: <376D9761.9DA44F2@ozemail.com.au> <5258-37700814-37@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 930096561 20605 203.63.79.234 (23 Jun 1999 00:09:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 1999 00:09:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18672 John Partin wrote: > Tell me something CHRIS ALLEN you said that TM breaks down in a few > weeks and from what I've read I do agree. Then you say that it has bad > effects on you if eaten after that. If its broken down whats the > problem, it sure could not kill the stuff in you if its broken down. > Please explain I do not understand. > BUD Previous posts hinted that as long as you keep treating with TM, you will be covered But if you want to extract honey from a hive treated with TM you must stop treating. You must stop long enough period for the TM to break down completely before you extract. By this stage, the TM is no longer protecting your bees. Another post hinted that AFB spares are "stored" in wax and scraping off contaminated wax is sufficient to stop spreading. Spores of AFB are also found in honey. In this country commercial packers MUST submit a sample of honey from every batch for testing. When this first began a lot of conscientious beekeepers were shocked to find they did have AFB after all. Regulations are strict. Hives with AFB, MUST be burnt or irradiated. The level of AFB is now declining. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drone larvae as fishing bait Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1999 01:12:38 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990622211238.27461.00001321@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18673 I read in this newsgroup that drone larvae are good fishing bait (probably brook trout). I also read it elsewhere in a web site or book but I can't find the reference. When would a beekeeper have spare brood to harvest for this. Would a beekeeper want to ever reduce the size of his colony in the normal practise of beekeeping. Al From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pushing the boundaries of beekeeping Message-ID: References: <$16hHDAk0qb3EwZQ@gandboss.demon.co.uk> <7ko0ho$8gn$1@gxsn.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.60 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 930102480 216.100.28.60 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:48:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:48:00 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:52:38 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18674 Get her a burquah. In article <7ko0ho$8gn$1@gxsn.com>, dainton@globalnet.co.uk says... > Graham > I've tried to keep my wife in an observation hive but she refuses to work > unless I let her out > What's the secret? > > From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoking technique (newbie question) Message-ID: References: <01bebd16$f2ee8280$7ad32dc7@spike> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.60 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 930103142 216.100.28.60 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:59:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:59:02 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:03:40 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18675 Yes, in my opinion the bees need less smoke rather than more. As you are working them you might notice them reaching a higher pitch of excitement and then you can give them a little more smoke on them. Heavy doses of smoke can really irritate them bad and can result in a smokey taste to the honey. What do you use for smoke, dude? Mike the beekeeper likes to use dried yerba santa leaves. Oh, and it is recommended that you give the bees a waft of smoke a few minutes before you open their hive so that the effect can soak in on them. In article <01bebd16$f2ee8280$7ad32dc7@spike>, spike@spamfreefrontier.net says... > 2) When smoking the hive, do you give a puff or two upwind of this group > flying around in front as well? Or do you just ignore them? > > 3) Do you puff smoke directly into the entrance, or are the bee's "noses" > sensitive enough that a couple of puffs around the entrance will do? > > From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:40:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7kpf9d$rqv$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18676 "Larry Williard" wrote: >Are there any Alabama beekeepers out there? >Larry Yes. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Short, stubby wings? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:37:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7kpf34$rqv$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37691746.1A49E30D@riverace.com> <37696942.394E@earthlink.net> <376F91C4.F85A9544@riverace.com> <7ko5gp$bsg$1@news1.Radix.Net> <376FBDA7.75AF6FEF@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18677 Steve Huston wrote: >honeybs wrote: >> Have you noticed any bees pulling other bees out of the hine >> on the bottom board? >Yes - bees have dragged out these weird-winged ones and dropped them >outside. I haven't seen any others getting dragged out. It seems to be >less of the weird-winged ones today, but the hive in general seems less >active, just comparing the outside activity with the hive a couple feet >away. I think I'll have a look inside later today. >Thanks, >-Steve Then it is more than likely that they have deformed wing virus. The healthy bees can tell the ones that have the virus somehow and they drag them out of the hive. If the deformed wings were from mites they wouldn't seem to notice. There is nothing you can do but let it run its coarse. I have one hive with bee paralysis virus and the same thing occured. It has seemed to have almost disappeared within the last month. I wouldn't recommend using the hive for splits but I wouldn't worry about it either. Just keep an eye on the bottom board. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hard to find queens Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:46:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7kpfkm$rqv$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37700667.33A5@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18678 workerbee wrote: >I have noticed the bees in all these hives are runners and I never found >the original queen but once. I have hives that I can find the queen >everytime they are opened up. May I ask why are you propagating runny bees? To me it is one of the less desireable traits. >Just thought someone out there might enjoy this. >What I cannot figure out is why at least two that hatched dissapeared. >Don in NC // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drone larvae as fishing bait Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:53:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7kpg1d$rqv$5@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990622211238.27461.00001321@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18679 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >I read in this newsgroup that drone larvae are good fishing bait (probably >brook trout). I also read it elsewhere in a web site or book but I can't find >the reference. >When would a beekeeper have spare brood to harvest for this. Would a beekeeper >want to ever reduce the size of his colony in the normal practise of >beekeeping. >Al Beekeepers will do almost anything for money. If you have a market it shouldn't be hard to find a beekeeper that will raise drone brood. Drone cell foundation is available. It should help with any varroa problem too! In Vietnam they raise drone brood to attract the mite load and them remove them. They don't use them for fish bait, they eat them themselves! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoking technique (newbie question) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:05:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 60 Message-ID: <7kpgnh$rqv$6@news1.Radix.Net> References: <01bebd16$f2ee8280$7ad32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18680 "Spike Psarris" wrote: >Thanking everyone in advance for their patience with newbies... >I need to go into my (3) hives for the first time ever this weekend. In >all that I've read about timing, smoking, etc., I've been under the >impression that early afternoon during "foraging time" is the best time, >and that the predominant activity at that time is foragers purposefully >coming and going. But the couple of times I've looked, I've been surprised >at the small cloud of bees that seems to just hover in front of the hives. >So my questions are: >1) Are these young adults getting oriented? I thought this took place at a >higher altitude? Or is this cloud a normal activity? If so, what are they >doing? (This isn't a huge amount of bees by any means, mayby a couple of >dozen tops.) This sounds like a play flight. Bees that are just getting ready to leave the hive to start foraging. They are just learning where they live. >2) When smoking the hive, do you give a puff or two upwind of this group >flying around in front as well? Or do you just ignore them? Ignore them. >3) Do you puff smoke directly into the entrance, or are the bee's "noses" >sensitive enough that a couple of puffs around the entrance will do? You need only enough smoke to control them. You will learn the signs, like when you see rows of eyeballs looking at you >from between the frames. Smoking like the rest of beekeeping is a gentle art. You can't learn it from a book, you learn by doing. Some never get it, others get it naturally. The later quit their jobs and do it for a living. Like my kids say " Daddy doesn't have a job; he's a beekeeper." I wouldn't have it any other way. >These are the kind of questions that books don't address. Does anybody >know of a good "beekeeping for dummies" series of videos, perhaps, that >would answer the real hands-on kinds of questions? You answered your own question - "hands-on". The questions will never end. Experience is the best teacher. She gives the test first and the lesson afterwards. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Jun 23 06:19:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1999 02:32:11 GMT References: <377025D6.F04668E9@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990622223211.25919.00002786@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18681 This is getting blown WAY out of perspective and once again people are not reading the entire thread. The point being made from the very start was Kevin's way of boiling equipment in lye would not work. The discussion was of WOODENWARE. There is no honey, there isn't any foundation either. Kevin boils his, You burn yours. Witches too were burnt at the stake until we learned better. >Another post hinted that AFB spares are "stored" in wax and scraping off >contaminated wax is sufficient to stop spreading. From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smoking technique (newbie question) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:15:33 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01bebd16$f2ee8280$7ad32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.141.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:15:33 GMT X-Trace: 930100533.798.59 ZGM1HNE6N8D35C72DC qube-03.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18682 Thanking everyone in advance for their patience with newbies... I need to go into my (3) hives for the first time ever this weekend. In all that I've read about timing, smoking, etc., I've been under the impression that early afternoon during "foraging time" is the best time, and that the predominant activity at that time is foragers purposefully coming and going. But the couple of times I've looked, I've been surprised at the small cloud of bees that seems to just hover in front of the hives. So my questions are: 1) Are these young adults getting oriented? I thought this took place at a higher altitude? Or is this cloud a normal activity? If so, what are they doing? (This isn't a huge amount of bees by any means, mayby a couple of dozen tops.) 2) When smoking the hive, do you give a puff or two upwind of this group flying around in front as well? Or do you just ignore them? 3) Do you puff smoke directly into the entrance, or are the bee's "noses" sensitive enough that a couple of puffs around the entrance will do? These are the kind of questions that books don't address. Does anybody know of a good "beekeeping for dummies" series of videos, perhaps, that would answer the real hands-on kinds of questions? Thanks -- remove spamfree to reply From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:19:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:29:50 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3770469E.249EDFB0@valley.net> References: <376EF146.22160D48@valley.net> <19990621233421.26286.00002649@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18683 JMitc1014 wrote: > Just checking here...the phrase "food grade mineral oil" refers to the stuff > you can buy for a few dollars in any pharmacy sold as a laxative, correct? correct. and the generic stuff is just as effective as the name brand. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:20:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoking technique (newbie question) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:25:37 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <377045A0.83347209@valley.net> References: <01bebd16$f2ee8280$7ad32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18684 Spike Psarris wrote: > Thanking everyone in advance for their patience with newbies... > > I need to go into my (3) hives for the first time ever this weekend. In > all that I've read about timing, smoking, etc., I've been under the > impression that early afternoon during "foraging time" is the best time, > and that the predominant activity at that time is foragers purposefully > coming and going. But the couple of times I've looked, I've been surprised > at the small cloud of bees that seems to just hover in front of the hives. > So my questions are: > > 1) Are these young adults getting oriented? I thought this took place at a > higher altitude? Or is this cloud a normal activity? If so, what are they > doing? (This isn't a huge amount of bees by any means, mayby a couple of > dozen tops.) > yes, they are soon-to-be foragers testing their wings and getting oriented. they are often very prevalent in early afternoon, sort of buzzing up and down in front of the hive. if you watch them over time, they will make larger and larger circles, going higher and higher, as they imprint the immediate area around the hive. > 2) When smoking the hive, do you give a puff or two upwind of this group > flying around in front as well? Or do you just ignore them? > i give a couple of puffs at the entrance. everyone in front will generally get the message. then, after i remove the inner cover, i give a couple of puffs over the tops of the frames of the topmost box. i try not to smoke 'em any more than that. sometimes, if i take too long at one hive, my smoker may go out. then, i work the next hive without any smoke. doesn't seem to make much difference, really. > 3) Do you puff smoke directly into the entrance, or are the bee's "noses" > sensitive enough that a couple of puffs around the entrance will do? > i sort of puff 'at' but not 'in' the entrance [i.e. i don't stick the tip of the smoker into the entrance]. a little smoke goes a long way and a well burning smoker gives off a LOT of smoke with each puff. you can definitely oversmoke bees. gets 'em agitated. > These are the kind of questions that books don't address. Does anybody > know of a good "beekeeping for dummies" series of videos, perhaps, that > would answer the real hands-on kinds of questions? > > Thanks > sorry, can't help you there. but, there are videos advertised in mags like "Bee Culture." someone else can comment on them, i'm sure. hope this helps, bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jun 23 06:20:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Bee Adventure! Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:52:03 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 90 Message-ID: <37704BD3.ADBDD56A@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18685 Alecia Warner wrote: > Hello all, > > . He inspected all of the > frames. No frames were capped! We could not believe this because there > was so much honey in there or is it nectar? Larry decided on the frame > he wanted, and he took it out and started to put back the other frames. > We were advised against a bee brush (which we really think we needed, > and we plan to get one next time we have to open up the hive along with > a blower). Larry said it was really hard to get the bees off the frames > because they were embedded in the honey on the frame. Is this normal? I > know the bees should gorged themselves as the smoke hits them, but he > said they were really stuck had their heads stuck in the honey. I think > this was because of too much smoke, live and learn I guess. > uncapped frames just means that not enough water had been evaporated from the honey to seal it up. it wasn't 'ripe.' in a week or two they will most likely all be capped. a bee brush is very useful for removing bees but from CAPPED comb. if you had used a brush on those uncapped frames, unless you were very careful, you would have quickly wound up with sticky, honey-covered bristles and sticky, honey covered bees being rolled around on the comb. yes, bees do respond to smoke by sticking their heads into the cells to eat the honey. usually, they are not 'stuck.' however, if in removing the frame you rub it up against the frame next to it, or even just bring it too close to the other one, then as you pull the frame, you will 'roll' the bees. most will just come pouring out the top, rather unhappy at the experience, but those that are eating honey can sort of be 'pushed' into the cell and get stuck. kind of like a keystone cops movie, only potentially fatal to the stuck bees. lifting straight up is important for this reason. worst case, you could roll and kill the queen. > We did retrieve one frame and harvested the honey. It was smoky > tasting, but good. I tried to cook it on the stove to get the honey > taste out, which I did, but I think I got it a little, too hot. I > figure I will get better as time goes. > the smoky flavor is because the comb was not capped [and it sounds like a lot of smoke was used, too]. next time, be sure the comb is capped on the frame you remove and you won't have that flavor. the honey flavor will be stronger, too, with no need to cook it. > If any can recommend a good source for purchasing something that can > help to process our honey including extracting it I would appreciate > any comments. Our hive doesn't have a queen excluder. The beekeeper > said he would sell us one, but that he did not recommend it. What is > the advice there? He really did not elaborate too much. He is 80 or so > and was a little hard of hearing. > i don't use queen excluders. in my limited experience they just inhibit all bee activity in the supers. in a hive with enough space the queen usually stays down in 'her' section. occasionally, i'll find some brood in a super, in which case i swap the frames to the outside. for general equipment try 'brushy mountain bee farm at: http://www.beeequipment.com/ they have a lot of supplies and good prices. nice people, too. > . The whole thing was so interesting to see. In the > morning we go out and watch the bees and sit very close to the hive, > they do not seem to even bother with us. We also check in the middle of > the afternoon, but they are very busy gather pollen at this time, so > many are rushing in and then back out. > yes, sitting and watching bees at a hive is one of life's treats. sounds like your first time went pretty well. i would recommend that you try to use as little smoke as possible, because a little goes a long way. also, next time let the guys sit out and YOU work the hive. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From circuit@REMOVETHIS.bigfoot.com Wed Jun 23 06:20:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:57:42 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7kpjn8$5lm$1@news.vic.com> References: <7korav$qba$1@news.vic.com> <7kpf9d$rqv$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.50 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18686 How do you know? honeybs wrote in message <7kpf9d$rqv$3@news1.Radix.Net>... >"Larry Williard" wrote: > >>Are there any Alabama beekeepers out there? > >>Larry > >Yes. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Wed Jun 23 06:20:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions about buying equipment Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:14:14 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990621120944.17745.00000230@ng-bg1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 23 Jun 1999 03:10:30 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Jun 22 20:15:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp168.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37704f6e.53063654@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18687 spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) wrote: > I have run across an extreme price discrepancy between most >suppliers and Dadant, the latter being 25% to almost 50% cheaper in most cases. Dadant is more expensive than several other mail order suppliers on many common beekeeping supplies. I've posted a cost comparison of 1999 prices from five suppliers (Betterbee, Mann Lake, Dadant, Brushy Mountain and Western Bee Supplies) on: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/suppliers.htm Quality, service and other criteria are harder to judge. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 23 06:20:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames for baby nucs Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:12:44 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7kpka5$m6$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7kp0k7$pgt$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37701C11.6EB66672@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.226 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930108549 710 12.72.42.226 (23 Jun 1999 03:29:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 1999 03:29:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18688 I don't need them to survive, they are only being used for hobby queen mating to requeen. I have used full size supers divided in thirds in the past but this is urban and the yard is 30' x 40' and I can't turn my whole backyard into a mating yard, thus my desire to use baby nucs. Also found that Italian queens are very poor orienters and the 3 way caused problems. I don't need to camouflage them from the neighbors, they are fully informed of my hobby. So, what about frames for baby nucs. -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Chris Allen wrote in message news:37701C11.6EB66672@ozemail.com.au... > > > George Styer wrote: > > > I plan to use baby nucs so I can discretely place them in the garden. > > Don't > > want the neighbors to think they live next to Adee Farms. > > You may find baby nucs do not survive for very long. If they do survive, they > won't provide a honey surplus. > > Try using normal hives placed where they are not clearly visible e.g.. behind a > hedge. Paint them some colour that does not stand out. > I believe camouflage is all the rage these days. You could drape some > camouflage fabric over the hive. > From noserider@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: noserider@aol.com (Noserider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized and parasites Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 02:02:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990624220256.29610.00002533@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18786 I've been courious about how the africanized bees existing in the wild can survive with the problems with parasites. I've lost an entire hive to mites and almost lost another the next year. How are the africanized beating the odds? From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-1.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:49:09 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <19990623145433.20252.00003319@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.01 X-Server-Date: 25 Jun 1999 02:52:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18787 Now WHAT was that question again, Kevin?? LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-1.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbww question Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:51:49 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3772a8f9.78683964@news.icdc.com> <7kubf1$19d4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3772b4a4@cybernews.cybrtyme.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.01 X-Server-Date: 25 Jun 1999 02:54:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18788 In article <3772b4a4@cybernews.cybrtyme.com>, "Darrell Laney" wrote: > Did it leak when you flipped the frame up...if so it is probably just nectar > that has not been evaporated jet thus making it thin and it leaks out of the > comb easily. Was there a foul smell? > > Or you coulda just damaged the capping on the honey cells, thus letting it spill. I see this often when I open my hive... I think the 10 frames is a little snug... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-1.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: africanized bees in florida...again Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:55:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <37710A06.233B@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.01 X-Server-Date: 25 Jun 1999 02:58:20 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18789 In article , "Sam" wrote: 1) Thanks for the repost. 2) > > Whether the Africanized bees will spread further and threaten Florida's $20 > million honey industry remained uncertain How will africanized bees threaten the honey industry? 3) > African honey bees are more intensely protective of their hives than common > European honey bees. Beekeepers fear them because when they swarm, half the > bees in a colony leave and start a new colony, thereby reducing honey > production. Isn't that the way all bees swarm? 4) > In addition, "African bees are harder to maintain, which would reduce the > number of available bees for pollination. This would have an even greater > impact on food prices than on the honey industry," Hall said. You mean they're more suseptible to diseases, mites, etc? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized and parasites Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:38:12 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7kutha$as9$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990624220256.29610.00002533@ng62.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.253 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930281834 11145 12.72.42.253 (25 Jun 1999 03:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 03:37:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18790 I'll offer a couple of suggestions off the top of my head: 1) AHB's swarm a lot more than EHB's. A single colony will issue multiple swarms, more so than the EHB. 2) If things get bad, they will readily abscond. The EHB will go down with the ship. 3) Shorter brood cycle All of these will disrupt the mites reproduction cycle. -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Noserider wrote in message news:19990624220256.29610.00002533@ng62.aol.com... > I've been courious about how the africanized bees existing in the wild can > survive with the problems with parasites. I've lost an entire hive to mites and > almost lost another the next year. How are the africanized beating the odds? From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for "BEE" graphics .bmp, .jpeg etc Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:31:32 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3772F814.FD683C18@valley.net> References: <3771A52B.E791E60A@foxinternet.net> <3772CB53.A1DFADBE@valley.net> <3772DB15.BC1407D6@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-124.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18791 Chris Allen wrote: > Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > if your'e looking for a software package, i recommend 'PrintMaster Platinum > > 7.0' it has over 150,000 images including dozens of clip art bees. it's a > > great package and at 35 bucks or so, well worth the cost. makes great > > newletters, posters, cards, etc. > > who sells it? what's their URL? just about all the software vendors carry it, i think, it's pretty popular. buysoft at http://www.buysoft.com is selling it for $25.40. if you go there, just do a search for 'printmaster'. there are earlier versions that are even cheaper, but i can't say what's in 'em. printmaster is made by mindscape. bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hrogers6634@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers6634@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: argh, she got me Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:01:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7kuuv6$pgc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 25 03:13:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.111 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18792 Hi stretchIn article , Hi Stretch-- It seems to work like this: Getting stung occasionally over time will produce reistance (immunity) by your body to the venom. Even after becoming relatively immune, a large number of stings at the same time may cause swelling and possibly more severe reaction. In addition to this, even if you have become immune, the body can suddenly become severely sensitive and dangerous shock can develop. I have know a few beekeepers who have had this happen and had to give up the hobby/interest. Pete -------------------------------------------------- @GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > FWIW... > > Except when I was on a job photographing a beekeeper in Arizona a few > months ago (with some VERY aggressive, probably mixed-Africanized bees), I > don't remember the last time I was stung. > > That day, I was stung once twice or three times through the gloves, and > once on the tip of my nose, the veil pressed against same while I was > trying to focus the camera. > > I didn't react much at all, but I am curious about this "sensitization" > I'm reading about here... > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers6634@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers6634@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ugly ? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:01:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7kuuv4$pgb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990624071117.04440.00001989@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.109 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 25 02:00:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.109 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18793 My philosophy has always been -- "There's no such thing as an ugly woman -- but some are just BARELY pretty". -------------------------------------------------- In article <19990624071117.04440.00001989@ng-cj1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >I thought you were at the BEACH?????????????? > > > >Busy chasin bikinis... > > Been thar done that > > 18 hrs on the pier not a single fish to show fer it and as usual the only > bikini i saw was on the ugly'st female ya ever saw. > man that gal needed a razor bad !! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-1.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Venom Confusion (Was: SHE GOT ME) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:17:52 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <376C39D1.872BC820@valley.net> <7kuuv6$pgc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.01 X-Server-Date: 25 Jun 1999 04:20:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18794 Am I correct to understand that just being around bees can "sensitize" one to the venom, such that they might develop allergic reactions? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sea Shells Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:34:49 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <377314F9.E8D856A0@worldnet.att.net> References: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.170 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 930288791 17734 12.72.0.170 (25 Jun 1999 05:33:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 05:33:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18795 Perhaps she was taking a calcium supplement to avoid having brittle bones. Was this an older bee? Kip Redick wrote: > > My kids saw some of my bees on some sea shells we brought back from the > outer banks of N.C. Yesterday my daughter yells that the bee is back! > So I ran to the site and there was one of the little sisters on a clam > shell. She was very interested something on that shell. Anybody know > what is so attractive about sea shells? Was she listening to the sound > of the waves? > > Kip From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbww question Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:30:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7kvjjt$jsd$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3772a8f9.78683964@news.icdc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18796 uknow@whoknows.com wrote: >just got back in from inspecting my 2 new hives, one hive had 2 frames >of honey that was leaking out over the comb, anyone know what or why >this is? >thanks, eggman This is caused by gravity! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:33:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990623145433.20252.00003319@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-74.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930310294 51354 209.130.165.74 (25 Jun 1999 11:31:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 11:31:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18797 Isn't anyone going to take a shot in answering the test questions? My hand is raised... We usually consolidate brood in the fall just before we feed and medicate. This is done to save time and money and it makes two colonies one strong colony. The stronger queen usually survives. A weak colony is vulnerable to robbing. --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990623145433.20252.00003319@ng-fu1.aol.com>... >Sorry for the delay folks, been kinda busy.... > >Define : Consolidating Brood Nest > >Why is this a good practice ? > >Why can this help prevent robbing ? > >What other things can this help to prevent ? > >Ok Pro's don't answer too quick, lets let the newbie's think a min . > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From cobaltcat@_nospam_dmci.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37736E49.3221F5DB@_nospam_dmci.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:55:53 -0400 From: LMK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I Hive a Swarm? References: <19990618105214.03836.00001215@ng-ce1.aol.com> <376C2437.30A9AEAB@_nospam_dmci.net> <7krg8v$vao$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.sbhs.dmci.net X-Trace: 25 Jun 1999 06:54:09 -0500, 76.sbhs.dmci.net Lines: 59 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!news-out2.newsnerds.com!76.sbhs.dmci.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18798 Thanks to everyone who responded. You've been very helpful. David, > thanks for posting Malcom Roe's fine instructions. I tried to post > Tuesday, but a computer gremlin ate the message. > > Here's the report, then more questions. > > I had a helper. Both of us fully suited. He held a clean carton up > under the swarm, right against the wall, while I sliced the swarm off > the beam (it is a large square beam against an intererior wall--all > wooden) with the blade of a snow shovel. Swarm dropped into carton. > Weight estimate about 3 lbs. This seemed to be a cranky swarm--LOUD > buzzing when we approached, and a tendency to attack my veil. But > no question that it was really a swarm. They could have been there > one day before I found them, but that area was used 2 days before > and no sign of bees at that time. Helper took carton outdoors to waiting hive body under tree about 80 > feet away, tipped bees into top of hive. I gathered what stragglers > I could with the edge of the shovel and carried them to hive. Then > we left them alone for the rest of the evening (as it is midsummer, > that was hours :-) ). > > When it was late and the bees were calming down, I covered the hive. > Not positive I'd collected the queen, so I watched carefully the > next day. There was much traffic between barn and hive all day, > but the main swarm clearly staying in the hive. By Sunday night, > most bees were in the hive. > HOWEVER--there is a handful of bees *very* determined to stay in > the barn; they fly during the day, but cluster in the corner > between post and beam (for warmth I think) at night. > > Sunday night I closed the hive and moved it to a permanent location > in the beeyard. The bees appear to be settling in, and it's been > 5 days now. So deduction says I got the queen. Should I worry about the handful of bees in the barn? They are > about the volume of one 8oz. measuring cup. It would be possible > but NOT easy to reach them. Perhaps bait a box with a small spoonful > of honey? Are stragglers like this unusual? Does a swarm ever fly > out with 2 young queens? > > Ernie -- you suggested spraying the bees with water when collecting > the swarm. Why? Does it prevent them from flying, either through > the added weight or the distraction of grooming? > > Busybee -- no, they weren't flying into light. The barn is dark and old, > and the west door was partly open. I think they saw a potential home > that smelled right. > > Finally, is there any care I should give this swarm that differs from > what I would do for any other colony in this season? The appear to be > building a propolis (I think) barrier--little disconnected mountains of > it--along the bottom board just inside the entrance. Why do they want > the Great Propolis Reef? Should I ignore it or remove it? > Lili in Michigan responses to: cobaltcat@_nospam_dmci.net From sky7@nikocity.de Tue Jun 29 05:29:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-HBG.ecrc.net!news.nikoma.de!not-for-mail From: "SkyBlue" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:07:53 +0200 Organization: Nikoma MediaWorks GmbH Message-ID: <7kvnol$lhs$1@news.nikoma.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-112.tnt02.hamburg.nikoma.de X-Trace: news.nikoma.de 930308693 22076 212.122.138.112 (25 Jun 1999 11:04:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nikoma.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 11:04:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18799 test From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:29:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help - Swarm in Eau Claire Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 12:03:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625080341.25918.00003650@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18800 Forwarded Message: Subj: bee help Date: 6/23/99 8:55:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: bmcintyre@marcus-online.net (Brent McIntyre) I am looking for help with a swarm that i have been adopted by. I am in Eau Claire,Wi 54701 Brent McIntyre. Do you know any groups or people in my area? (715) area code. Thanks Brent Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 13:24:21 GMT References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18801 > >Isn't anyone going to take a shot in answering the test questions? My hand >is raised... > >We usually consolidate brood in the fall just before we feed and medicate. >This is done to save time and money and it makes two colonies one strong >colony. The stronger queen partyl right to be true but i'm asking about consolidating in a 2 hive body colony Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From shuston@riverace.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:42:52 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3773875C.C24C0E22@riverace.com> References: <19990623145433.20252.00003319@ng-fu1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ujzNKimddWU+kUO9BBTkBNXq8JeiS9Z0RCkkXHk/+2w= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 13:42:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18802 Ok, I'm a newbie, and I'm sort of guessing, but it's better than continuing the ugly woman jokes... > Define : Consolidating Brood Nest Moving the frames of brood from the top box to the bottom box (of a 2-deep hive). Move the honey-filled frames from the bottom to the top. > Why is this a good practice ? Never heard of it, but it may help to keep brood warm if there aren't enough bees to really fill the two deeps. > Why can this help prevent robbing ? Robbers would have to cross a whole deep full of bees to get to the honey, giving them less of a chance to make it all the way. > What other things can this help to prevent ? No idea. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From msimics@direct.ca Tue Jun 29 05:29:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Re: Creaming Honey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <377102c1.0@204.83.142.253> Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01bebf14$99214c60$5c8542d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:16:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.133.92 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 930320206 216.66.133.92 (Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:16:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:16:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18803 Hello Gordon, So, you're looking for how to make creamed honey but the advice so far lacks specificity. I have successfully made creamed honey for several years following the instructions in " The Hive and the Honeybee" (1992 ed.) pages 699 to 704 with the specifics on page 702. Temps, time and quantities are given. The product is excellent . Darlene dags@lightspeed.bc.ca Gordon Blackmore wrote in article <377102c1.0@204.83.142.253>... > I am a new beekeeper, 2nd year, and would like to cream some honey. > understand the process is to heat the honey mix in some creamed honey and > cool it. I am looking for temp, times maybe some refernces. > > Thx > > > > From bobpursley@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized and parasites Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 14:54:25 GMT References: <19990624220256.29610.00002533@ng62.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990625105425.08878.00001487@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18804 In article <19990624220256.29610.00002533@ng62.aol.com>, noserider@aol.com (Noserider) writes: > >I've been courious about how the africanized bees existing in the wild can >survive with the problems with parasites. I've lost an entire hive to mites >and >almost lost another the next year. How are the africanized beating the odds? > By multiplying profusely. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creaming Honey Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:39:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7kv879$s2d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <377102c1.0@204.83.142.253> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.158.93.60 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 25 06:39:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.158.93.60 Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18805 In article <377102c1.0@204.83.142.253>, "Gordon Blackmore" wrote: > I am a new beekeeper, 2nd year, and would like to cream some honey. > understand the process is to heat the honey mix in some creamed honey and > cool it. I am looking for temp, times maybe some refernces. > The easiest method and the least damaging to the honey (but it needs good timing) is to stir after it first starts to crystalise after harvest. No need to heat, then. Description: 1: Harvest 2: Wait till the first crystal appear. You may want to help by adding some creamed honey (e.g. rape flower honey). 3: Then stir once or twice a day for half a minute. 4: Repeat untill the honey is set enough and fill the jars. I personnaly use a paint stirer on a (powerfull!) drill. Specialised devices do exist if you have lots of honey to stir. If you want to heat honey to render it liquid, the best device (IMHO) is something called melitherm (or is it mellitherm?). I do not know if it is available in the US. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized and parasites Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 13:41:21 GMT References: <19990624220256.29610.00002533@ng62.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625094121.18132.00001864@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18806 >survive with the problems with parasites. I've lost an entire hive to mites >and >almost lost another the next year. How are the africanized beating the odds? > might have something to do with the fact that theres so many of the buggers @ 200,000 in a nominal hive. course their shorter brood cycle hurts the varroa incredibly. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From lili_krezel@stortek.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!den-news-01.qwest.net!qwest!news.stortek.com!not-for-mail From: LMK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:37:41 -0400 Organization: Storage Technology Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <37738625.59A@stortek.com> References: <37726DDB.71D19B95@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: guido.stortek.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.stortek.com 930318036 16841 192.160.18.39 (25 Jun 1999 13:40:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@stortek.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 13:40:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18807 David, yours is an interesting idea. I don't have fire ants here in the Great Lakes, but I have about every other kind. I pour boiling water on the ground around the hives every week or 2, which keeps the ants knocked back. Others have suggested a water moat. While the oil doesn't evaporate, how close to the top of the cans do you fill the oil? Seems in one of our midwestern thunderstorms you could easily get overflow. Since I see by your signature you probably have reliable details, can you comment on how much overflow of oil might be acceptable? I've thought that NO petroleum should be spilled on the ground if you want to maintain healthy soil. Or are you suggesting something more like an inch of oil in an 8" high coffee can? TIA for clarification. Lili respond to: cobaltcat@_nospam_dmci.net From honeybs@radix.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ugly ? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:29:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7kvjhs$jsd$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990624071117.04440.00001989@ng-cj1.aol.com> <7kuuv4$pgb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18808 hrogers6634@my-deja.com wrote: >My philosophy has always been -- "There's no >such thing as an ugly woman -- but some are just >BARELY pretty". How about aesthetically challenged? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From aleciaf@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alecia Warner" Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 121.houston-35rs.tx.dial-access.att.net/12.73.249.121 References: <37726DDB.71D19B95@soils.umn.edu> <37738625.59A@stortek.com> X-TWRN-Tag: 930327798459 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <_1Oc3.15663$Xr4.126032@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:23:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 930327802 216.200.3.205 (Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:23:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:23:22 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18809 I would like to comment on Davids suggestion. We decided to build a table where the top over laps the legs a little, which will prevent rain or water from entering the coffee can full of motor oil. The hive sits in the middle for complete balance. So far this is working great. I have not seen one ant! Here in Texas we have to even sit our pet food bowls down into a tray of water to keep those pesty critters out. We had thought about putting water in the cans around the legs, but figured that might draw bees to it and thus they might drown. This is a pretty great idea and I can say so far no bees seem to even notice the legs, and the ants are just sitting around trying to figure out what happend to "their" honey supply. Thanks David for this inexpensive, but effective help! Alecia Warner -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:29:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I Hive a Swarm? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 17:18:36 GMT References: <37736E49.3221F5DB@_nospam_dmci.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625131836.07918.00000115@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18810 From: LMK > HOWEVER--there is a handful of bees *very* determined to stay in >> the barn; they fly during the day, but cluster in the corner >> between post and beam (for warmth I think) at night. They may have a virgin queen. It's worth a check. Oftentimes swarms leave with multiple queens. Saves supercedure later.... > They appear to be >> building a propolis (I think) barrier--little disconnected mountains of >> it--along the bottom board just inside the entrance. Why do they want >> the Great Propolis Reef? Should I ignore it or remove it? They *know* cold weather is coming, and they don't trust you to remember the entrance reducer.... ; o) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions about buying equipment Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:35:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3773BDE2.40C6E646@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990621120944.17745.00000230@ng-bg1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.1.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 930331986 29500 12.72.1.37 (25 Jun 1999 17:33:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 17:33:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18811 I feel fortunate to have a Dadant branch within driving range, and purchase all my foundation, medicines, supplements, and bee tools there. The quality of their stock of all types appears equivalent to that of A.I. Root for sale in other bee stores I've visited. I can't speak to the quality of Dadant woodenware, not having used any, but the equipment displayed in their office appears to be just fine. SPCherub wrote: > > Hello All, > > I am new to beekeeping and have been doing alot of research on the > internet and by reading books. In pricing hives and equipment from various > suppliers, I have run across an extreme price discrepancy between most > suppliers and Dadant, the latter being 25% to almost 50% cheaper in most cases. > My question to all you veteran beekeepers out there is this: Is this a case of > Dadant having just that much more buying and thus selling power (kinda like > Walmart) or is this a case of Dadant's supplies being that much lower quality? > Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. > > R.T. > From ernie@whro.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "E.L.Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990618105214.03836.00001215@ng-ce1.aol.com> <376C2437.30A9AEAB@_nospam_dmci.net> <7krg8v$vao$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37736E49.3221F5DB@_nospam_dmci.net> Subject: Re: How Do I Hive a Swarm? Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <0mSc3.574$8e5.30895@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:17:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.99 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 930345468 198.76.162.99 (Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:17:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:17:48 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18812 Hello Lili, I always use water if I have it on hand as I think it distracts them and not quite as many seem to fly. To be truthful most of the time I don't have any. The important thing is you seem to have been successful. To the others on the list I apologize for barging in without an introduction but it was early in the morning and Lili seemed to be somewhat frantic. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach >> >> Ernie -- you suggested spraying the bees with water when collecting >> the swarm. Why? Does it prevent them from flying, either through >> the added weight or the distraction of grooming? From npatt@snet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a few questions, honey, I mean honey questions Date: 25 Jun 1999 20:30:42 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Message-ID: <7l0oti$skh@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh4-port157.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18813 A couple of questions about honey, 1. Do I need a permit? Do I need a permit to sell in a local grocery store? Or one for selling at a farm stand? 2. Are the any qualifications that need to be met to sell honey for the jars ect? 3. Are certain type of honey worth more than others? I have some real clear and light spring honey. My light syrup is worth more... is light honey? 4. What is the going rate for local honey? I live in Connecticut. Norm npatt@snet.net From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 99 21:31:31 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.104 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:28:45 GMT X-Trace: 930349725.950.57 KRFRRPH9I9868CE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18814 Hi, I have a general contractor friend, who claims that the secret to dealing with ants, is to deny the nest access to water . There are a host of chemicals, that will kill ants, or serve as a chemical boundary to them, talk to your licensed nurseryman, or an especially knowledgable farm store worker . What about "ant lions", and other ant predators ? Ants use scent, as bees use navigation dances . Once one ant, finds a useful resource, it leaves a trail that leads other foragers back along the trail of the earlier . NEVER pass up a chance to break this trail, and use it, to place your chemical weapons where they'll do the most damage, for the least effect on the general environment . I know approximately nothing about "fire ants", more than I've read here, or seen on TV . But my weapon of choice, would be local harvester ants, and I'd be looking for ways to pit one against the other, and help out the domestic populations to be strong enough to overcome the invader . Y'all Californians might well defend your turf from fire ants, by encouraging your local harvester ant populations to be strong enough to prevent the bad guys from once getting established . My opinion . Occasionally, I'm not wrong . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/23/99 3:12PM, in message , "Alecia Warner" wrote: Hello all, Wanted to keep all posted about our bees and our observations. The bees seem to be very busy gather pollen and nectar, but we have notices fire ants entering the bee hive. We are very worried about this. We live in Texas, which must be the fire ant capital of the world. Does anyone know if creosote treated wood blocks would harm or bees and deter the ants. Also what about wetable sulpher? Our hive is sitting on two cinder blocks and we thought if we could outline the cinder block in sulpher maybe the ants would stay out. Any suggestions please reply! The ants are really starting to multiple. Thanks for any and all help. Alecia -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From max@gadsden.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Max Sanders" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment for sale Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.140.85.67 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 930354201 208.140.85.67 (Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:43:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:43:21 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:40:32 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18815 Is this newsgroup appropriate for listing bee equipment for sale? (Extruder/uncapping knife)? Thanks Max From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: africanized bees Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:55:06 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3773DE9A.4A73@mindspring.com> References: <37710A06.233B@juno.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.01.bf Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 25 Jun 1999 23:47:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18816 Are there any beekeepers on the net that have coped with africanized bees? What did you find out? From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment for sale Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 00:19:33 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625201933.23089.00003595@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18817 >Is this newsgroup appropriate for listing bee equipment for sale? >(Extruder/uncapping knife)? Thanks Max > In my opinion I'd say fine ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:29:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PROBLEMS WITH BEES WHEN THEY ARE WORKING SUNFLOWERS Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 01:44:55 GMT References: <3772B9D4.1011C187@club-internet.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625214455.11035.00003449@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18818 From: peter dillon >Has anybody outside of France had any problems with their bee colonies >before and during the period of the Sunflower honey harvest. I've not heard of any US beekeepers with this problem. The material may not be used here. We have quite a few sunflowers this year in SC. > >Starting about 4 years ago beekeepers in the Centre West of Francehave >suffered  due to an acute loss of harvesting bees once the beesstart to >work sunflowers.This problem appeared to coincide with the introductionand >extension in the use of the molecule "IMIDACLOPRIDE" marketed by Bayer. >The company denies any problem associating with the action of the moleculeand >bee loss.Recent field experiments have not clarified the situation,but lab. >work suggests that there is a potential problem and the moleculemay have >detrimental properties.The molecule has been provisionally bannedfrom use in >the treatment of Sunflower seed. The French government havetaken the position >that it is better to be safe than sorry ( much to thedispleasure of Bayer!). >This molecule is widely used to protect Maize and other cereal seed-as a >systemic insecticide,  allowing therefore non intention beecontact, as >the bees collect much larger amounts of maize pollen than wasthought. >The molecule appears also to remain in the soil, allowing it to bepresent in >following year's plantation programme- indicating possible cropcontamination >in plants that are visited by bees, allowing them again tobe in  non >intentional contact with the molecule. >This apparent problem has raised alot of hairs on the backs of >Frenchbeekeepers and the Seed Merchants. >ANY INFO. WILL BE GRATEFULLY RECEIVED. >We are waiting in intrepidation to see what happens this year. TheSunflowers >are just about to burst into flower. We've heard some reports on this. But it looks like you are the pioneers, (or guinea pigs), on this particular pesticide. We have plenty enough pesticide problems as it is, so I hope this material won't come into usage here. We anxiously await reports on your experience with it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:29:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment for sale Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 01:39:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625213958.11035.00003445@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18819 From: "Max Sanders" >Is this newsgroup appropriate for listing bee equipment for sale? >(Extruder/uncapping knife)? It's not really a marketplace, but folks don't mind an on-topic ad once in a while. Off topic, or repeated ads will probably get some complaints to your service provider. Obviously yours is on topic. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pdillon@club-internet.fr Tue Jun 29 05:29:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PROBLEMS WITH BEES WHEN WORKING SUNFLOWERS Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:22:06 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3773F2FE.29C8F3D8@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: chateauroux-1-129.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 930342513 21914 195.36.143.129 (25 Jun 1999 20:28:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 1999 20:28:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18820 Has anybody outside of France had any problems with their bee colonies just before and during the period of the sunflower honey harvest.
Starting about 4 years ago, beekeepers in the Centre West of France have suffered due to the acute loss of harvesting bees once they start to work sunflowers.
This problem appeared to coincide with the introduction and extension in the use of the molecule "IMIDACLOPRIDE", marketed by Bayer.
More info. if there is a response
Regards
Peter. From barry_athol@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: barry_athol@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I Hive a Swarm? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:54:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 80 Message-ID: <7l1bru$l11$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990618105214.03836.00001215@ng-ce1.aol.com> <376C2437.30A9AEAB@_nospam_dmci.net> <7krg8v$vao$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37736E49.3221F5DB@_nospam_dmci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.24.148.242 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 26 01:54:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.wag.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 proxy2.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.37.7.103, 203.37.7.3, 203.24.148.242 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18821 In article <37736E49.3221F5DB@_nospam_dmci.net>, LMK wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responded. You've been very helpful. David, > > thanks for posting Malcom Roe's fine instructions. I tried to post > > Tuesday, but a computer gremlin ate the message. > > > > Here's the report, then more questions. > > > > I had a helper. Both of us fully suited. He held a clean carton up > > under the swarm, right against the wall, while I sliced the swarm off > > the beam (it is a large square beam against an intererior wall--all > > wooden) with the blade of a snow shovel. Swarm dropped into carton. > > Weight estimate about 3 lbs. This seemed to be a cranky swarm--LOUD > > buzzing when we approached, and a tendency to attack my veil. But > > no question that it was really a swarm. They could have been there > > one day before I found them, but that area was used 2 days before > > and no sign of bees at that time. > > Helper took carton outdoors to waiting hive body under tree about 80 > > feet away, tipped bees into top of hive. I gathered what stragglers > > I could with the edge of the shovel and carried them to hive. Then > > we left them alone for the rest of the evening (as it is midsummer, > > that was hours :-) ). > > > > When it was late and the bees were calming down, I covered the hive. > > Not positive I'd collected the queen, so I watched carefully the > > next day. There was much traffic between barn and hive all day, > > but the main swarm clearly staying in the hive. By Sunday night, > > most bees were in the hive. > > HOWEVER--there is a handful of bees *very* determined to stay in > > the barn; they fly during the day, but cluster in the corner > > between post and beam (for warmth I think) at night. > > > > Sunday night I closed the hive and moved it to a permanent location > > in the beeyard. The bees appear to be settling in, and it's been > > 5 days now. So deduction says I got the queen. > > Should I worry about the handful of bees in the barn? They are > > about the volume of one 8oz. measuring cup. It would be possible > > but NOT easy to reach them. Perhaps bait a box with a small spoonful > > of honey? Are stragglers like this unusual? Does a swarm ever fly > > out with 2 young queens? > > > > Ernie -- you suggested spraying the bees with water when collecting > > the swarm. Why? Does it prevent them from flying, either through > > the added weight or the distraction of grooming? > > > > Busybee -- no, they weren't flying into light. The barn is dark and old, > > and the west door was partly open. I think they saw a potential home > > that smelled right. > > > > Finally, is there any care I should give this swarm that differs from > > what I would do for any other colony in this season? The appear to be > > building a propolis (I think) barrier--little disconnected mountains of > > it--along the bottom board just inside the entrance. Why do they want > > the Great Propolis Reef? Should I ignore it or remove it? > > > > Lili in Michigan > > responses to: cobaltcat@_nospam_dmci.net > Hi, I waS just reading about your barn effort and I saw that Ernie suggested that you spray the swarm with water, Ive been keeping bees for about 8 years now and mostly catch swarms without protective gear with very few stings ever. However if I now of one way to make a passive swarm aggressive then its to spray them with water. Barry Junee Apiairies NSW Australia Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help - Swarm in Eau Claire Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:21:32 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7l1dbi$sd0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990625080341.25918.00003650@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-78.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930363570 29088 209.130.165.78 (26 Jun 1999 02:19:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 02:19:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18822 The Chippewa-Eau Claire Co. Beekeepers Assn.'s phone number is 715-723-6584 (Fern Eggen, Sec.) --Busybee Dave Green wrote in message <19990625080341.25918.00003650@ng-da1.aol.com>... >Forwarded Message: >Subj: bee help >Date: 6/23/99 8:55:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time >From: bmcintyre@marcus-online.net (Brent McIntyre) > >I am looking for help with a swarm that i have been adopted by. I am in >Eau Claire,Wi 54701 Brent McIntyre. Do you know any groups or people >in my area? (715) area code. Thanks Brent > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oil for varroa treatment Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 02:36:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990625223632.22998.00005225@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18823 I was reading in an old archived Bee Culture column by Richard Taylor of an Indiana beekeeper who feed his bees "grease patties" composed of approximately 3 parts sugar to one part Canola oil. Questions: 1) Do you think the vegetable oil in such a grease patty would affect varroa mites the way "food grade mineral oil" has been reported to in anecdotes told recently in this group? 2) And how does this grease patty method of application stack up as a delivery method against the napkin-dipped-in-oil method that was mentioned here in this group recently? 3) And could such grease patties be made with "food grade mineral oil" instead? From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!panix!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bears sell honey Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 03:01:13 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990625230113.05875.00001509@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18824 I read where if you put a bee on the label for honey it may have an adverse effect on sales. The beekeeper that wrote the book said he defiantly put a picture of a bee anyways since he had respect and gratitude for bees. Strangely they use bear bottles to package the honey even though they are the quite a pest to beekeepers. Is it because the consumer empathizes with the bear's fondess for honey? Actually I read that adult bears prefer the brood more than the honey. Bears are quite destructive to an apiary. They have been known to carry entire hive a considerable distance. They proceed to disassemble it by batting supers in all directions. Then at peace go through each super. LH may be completely destroyed. If this were to happen to a beekeeper I wonder how he would feel about putting the honey in a bear bottle to sell? Al gone hunting ( wild bees) From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil for varroa treatment Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:25:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7l1l2l$m58$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990625223632.22998.00005225@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.12 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 930371477 22696 12.72.50.12 (26 Jun 1999 04:31:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 04:31:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18825 JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990625223632.22998.00005225@ng-xa1.aol.com... > I was reading in an old archived Bee Culture column by Richard Taylor of an > Indiana beekeeper who feed his bees "grease patties" composed of approximately > 3 parts sugar to one part Canola oil. > Questions: > 1) Do you think the vegetable oil in such a grease patty would affect varroa > mites the way "food grade mineral oil" has been reported to in anecdotes told > recently in this group? No, this treatment is for tracheal nites, not varroa > 2) And how does this grease patty method of application stack up as a delivery > method against the napkin-dipped-in-oil method that was mentioned here in this > group recently? Dunno about the napkins, but again, this is not a method for controlling varroa > 3) And could such grease patties be made with "food grade mineral oil" instead? Why would you want to substitute a petroleum product for a vegetable oil? From j.j.edwards@sk.sympatico.ca Tue Jun 29 05:29:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news@dragon From: Joe Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:34:54 -0600 Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3774586E.2576183E@sk.sympatico.ca> References: <377025D6.F04668E9@ozemail.com.au> <19990622223211.25919.00002786@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: prnask01d020501120.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18826 Well thank you everyone withall your information. I had no idea it would create such a colourful discussion. Just another question about AFB. Has anybody heard whether a honeybee that robs infected colonies and has to fly a distance to get to it will actually produce an enzyme that will digest the AFB spores. Therefore won't transfer the disease to the colony. Also I had heard in Australia they were treating their infected equipment with radiation anybody verify that. There was also a fellow that replied to my question about AFB earlier and mentioned some info in an article in Bee World. Never heard of it and could someone please tell me how to access it. Thanks for all your input, hope to hear some more of your answers. Let you all know how I make out in the future. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > In article <19990622223211.25919.00002786@ng-da1.aol.com>, > lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: > > >Kevin boils his, You burn yours. Witches too were burnt at the stake until > > we learned better. > > Now.. I'm no expert... but I *AM* an old Nawth Carolina boy, since > relocated to these other mountains in Colorado... and I damn shore doubt > that Big Kevin Johnson is a witch. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:38:10 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 68 Message-ID: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.141.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:38:10 GMT X-Trace: 930375490.488.74 ZGM1HNE6N8D35C72DC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18827 Hello all, More "practical" questions (and thanks to all those who have helped me to this point). First, my situation. I purchased 3 hives from a local beekeeper (1 deep and 1 medium per). He told me when I picked them up (3 weeks or so ago) that each of the deeps had an Apistan strip in them. (He's at a more northern climate than I am, so his flow starts later.) I knew that I had to get the strips out as soon as possible, but unfortunately, I'm in the midst of moving, and was unable to get down to the property where the hives are until yesterday. The flow is strong (lots of yellow clover) and I'm pretty sure I need to super, but obviously the strips are still in there. My current plan is to super anyway and set the resulting honey aside for winter feed, marked as not for human consumption. But I know I need to get them out immediately (and I know the directions say to pull them out before the flow starts, but this was unavoidable). Here's my problem. I opened the first hive yesterday to get the strip out - it was a perfect day (mid 90's), and the foragers were out having a ball. The cover came off easy enough, but I ran into a problem trying to pry the two boxes apart. I soon figured out that one or more of the bottom frames was "glued" (burred or propolis, don't know which) to the top box, and as I was pulling on the top box, the bottom frames were sliding up and down with it. You can imagine the bees didn't care for this very much, but the seals finally broke and the top box came off. I set it aside. At this point I'm staring down into a bottom box overflowing with bees, and feeling totally out of my league. I couldn't see the Apistan strip anywhere. Nor was I willing to start pulling frames to look - I had already crushed several bees when prying the boxes apart, plus whatever damage I had done when the bottom frame(s) were sliding up and down. And the bees were agitated, which means I was agitated... Figuring that I had already done enough damage for the day (and after staring into the box for a while out of fascination), I put it all together again and left them alone to settle down. So here are my questions: 1) I called the beekeeper afterwards and he explained that I should have pried the boxes apart from the short sides, prying downwards to press the bottom frames down and thus separate them from the upper box. (I felt really stupid when he explained this.) Are there any other "tricks" like this to manipulating the boxes? 2) He also said that there was a good chance that the Apistan strip had fallen down between the frames. I've seen the strips, but never in this context (in the midst of a hive) - can I assume that the strip would be visible if it had not fallen down? 3) ...and if it had fallen down, would it likely be between the frames or laying on the bottom board? 4) ...and if on the bottom board, what would be the easiest way to get to it? To take the bottom box off the board, do I have to worry about frames being attached to the board, or other "gotchas" like this? How do the bees react to having the main box suddenly removed off the board (albeit temporarily)? 5) Finally, while staring down into the main brood chamber, I saw several queen cells (I think). A couple were between the frames, and I couldn't see them very well. One was on top of a frame however. That one wasn't capped. My initial concern was that these were swarming preparations, except that the queen is only 9 months old, and the top brood chamber had nowhere near the density of bees that the bottom chamber did, so I figure they still have room (?). I remember "queen cups" being contrasted with queen cells in some of my books, but unfortunately they're all packed and won't be available for a little while. Could somebody help me here? Thanks Spike -- remove spamfree to reply From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:29:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:02:39 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7l2c52$2e0$1@gxsn.com> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.142.94 X-Trace: 930395106 1NNUCNF1G8E5EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18828 Are there any other "tricks" like >this to manipulating the boxes? > Spike Take a couple of timber wedges along next time Ease one corner up to break the propolis seal Pop the wedge in to stop the boxes coming together again Then do another corner You might then be able to separate the top and bottom frames My bees are bringing in bucketsful of propolis at the moment It's like a sticky toffee pudding party without the flavour I once took over some hives that had n't been opened for about 6 years They needed a bolster chisel and lump hammer to open up Tornado or what! Best wishes Chris From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:14:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-30.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930406341 52222 209.130.165.30 (26 Jun 1999 14:12:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 14:12:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18829 I'm not following...why would you have more than 2 brood boxes in a colony? --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com>... >> >>Isn't anyone going to take a shot in answering the test questions? My hand >>is raised... >> >>We usually consolidate brood in the fall just before we feed and medicate. >>This is done to save time and money and it makes two colonies one strong >>colony. The stronger queen > >partyl right to be true but i'm asking about consolidating in a 2 hive body >colony > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil for varroa treatment Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <18250-3774B32E-25@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990625223632.22998.00005225@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzB4DRT30+TKKyHCPcWWTprHhAmkCFHHR/0gmy53kabVgk7wWn/wrrZGF Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18830 There was something posted on this group or the bee L about this. It was a research paper from France. IT looked like they did a very good job at it and they said that none of the oils they tested did any good. I could not find the paper to put back up if someone else keep it they might put it back up. BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: molten liquid beeswax Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:08:28 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7l2mp8$hjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990617141755.08877.00000226@ngol07.aol.com> <19990617205220.04331.00000372@ngol04.aol.com> <376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-30.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930405992 18036 209.130.165.30 (26 Jun 1999 14:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 14:06:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18831 Bit of trivia - the "junk" is called slumgum or slum for short. --Busybee Ralph Landry wrote in message <376bb6ae.0@newsman.viper.net>... >If you want to get a lot of the junk out of the wax before going to the >>>>snipped part about solar wax melting >-Ralph >rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us >"If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" >ICQ# 19545315 > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:22:13 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7l2nj3$13jq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990623145433.20252.00003319@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-30.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930406819 36474 209.130.165.30 (26 Jun 1999 14:20:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 14:20:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18832 Are you talking about a two-queen system colony? --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990623145433.20252.00003319@ng-fu1.aol.com>... >Sorry for the delay folks, been kinda busy.... > >Define : Consolidating Brood Nest > >Why is this a good practice ? > >Why can this help prevent robbing ? > >What other things can this help to prevent ? > >Ok Pro's don't answer too quick, lets let the newbie's think a min . > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil for varroa treatment Lines: 119 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 11:46:09 GMT References: <7l1l2l$m58$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626074609.12508.00001983@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18833 Actually no, it was not a treatment for tracheal mites. It was about oil treatment for varroa (see below). And "food-grade mineral oil" is not a petroleum product; otherwise, it wouldn't be "food grade." That prompts another question -- what is it about grease patties that would help cure tracheal mites? Is it the grease that troubles the mites or is the patty just a delivery vehicle for the treatment (like if you added mint oil extract to the patty for instance)? What follows is the conversation I downloaded about the oil treatment for varroa. Participants included Peter Edwards, Bill Greenrose, Spike Psarris and Barry Birkey. What do you guys think of the original questions with which I started this thread about oil and varroa? On 6/19/99 4:34PM, in message <7kh9er$odq$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: I have just read some research on this in the Journal of Apicultural Research (Vol 37 No 4 1998) by Conte, Colin, Paris and Crauser. Briefly they sprayed an emulsion of: 1 Rape oil 2 Mineral oil 3 Mineral oil +Tween 20 (a tensio-active agent) [can anyone out there tell me more about this substance?] They were effective in that order rape 57.1% +/- 10.1%, mineral oil 80.6% +/- 7.4%, the mixture 97.0% +/- 1.3%. They made the point that treatment times of up to 10 mins per hive made it uneconomic for commercial beekeeping; also, the mites were still alive when collected on a special oiled sheet on the floor - so you need to need a special floor; conclusion was that it could 'be the basis of a useful biotechnical method...' More research needed I think. Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net>... >Spike Psarris wrote: > >> Hello all, >> First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) newbie. I've >> been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's >> still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. >> >> I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen here >> references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at >> http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems great, >> except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all >> possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which >> of the types of oil, and if not why not? >> >> Thanks >> >> Spike Psarris >> -- >> remove spamfree to reply > >greetings, > >about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one of the member's apiary, >the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in vegetable oil to treat >for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the hive and laid the napkin >across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. over time the bees would chew >up the napkin to dispose of it, spreading the oil on themselves and others [via >grooming] in the process. he did not use apistan strips, and had been using this >method for 3 years. we did both a drone brood and ether roll test for varroa and >found one mite in about 200 bees and a frame [both sides] of brood. > >however, he did point out that some colonies will just propolize the entire napkin, >rather than chew it up, defeating its purpose. also, i think vegetable oil might go >rancid, if it sat too long in the hive in the summer. personally, i have used >mineral oil. just be sure to use food grade mo. > >hope this helps, > >bill > From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jun 29 05:29:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creaming Honey Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:28:25 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7l22a1$ogg$3@front7.grolier.fr> References: <377102c1.0@204.83.142.253> <01bebf14$99214c60$5c8542d8@michael> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-87.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 930385025 25104 194.158.120.87 (26 Jun 1999 08:17:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 08:17:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18834 Hello, Could somebody pls scan p. 702 and send it to me through E-mail for instance ? Thks a lot in advance. -- apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Michael Simics a écrit dans le message : 01bebf14$99214c60$5c8542d8@michael... > Hello Gordon, > > So, you're looking for how to make creamed honey but the advice so far > lacks specificity. I have successfully made creamed honey for several > years following the instructions in " The Hive and > the Honeybee" (1992 ed.) pages 699 to 704 with the specifics on page 702. > Temps, time and quantities are given. The product is excellent . > Darlene > dags@lightspeed.bc.ca > > > Gordon Blackmore wrote in article > <377102c1.0@204.83.142.253>... > > I am a new beekeeper, 2nd year, and would like to cream some honey. > > understand the process is to heat the honey mix in some creamed honey and > > cool it. I am looking for temp, times maybe some refernces. > > > > Thx > > > > > > > > From glen@obp.agric.za Tue Jun 29 05:29:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.shore.net!feedme.ziplink.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.mikom.csir.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Glen van Niekerk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:59:21 -0700 Organization: An Internet Solution Customer Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37753F27.356C9B15@obp.agric.za> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall.nda.agric.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18835 Alecia Warner wrote: > Hello all, > > Does anyone know if creosote treated wood blocks would harm or bees and > deter the ants. > Hello Alecia ! I am a South African beekeeper with approximately 60 hives. All my new hives are creosote treated before being used to house bees. So far I have not experienced any problems with the bees rejecting it, but the ants (GRRR!!!)(not fire ants) just ignore the creosote and carry on with normal hive looting ! I have solved the problem by using metal stands of witch the legs have been smeared with axial gries. P.S Make sure there are not any other ways they can get on to the hive because they can be very inventive . Please keep the grass short under your hives because they will use it as a bridge to get across the gries ! Glen van Niekerk From john@summerfieldproductions.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3774D490.458478D7@summerfieldproductions.com> From: John Summerfield Organization: Summerfield Productions Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strange bee behaviour? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:23:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.17.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 930403426 24.112.17.183 (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:23:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:23:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18836 Hullo all... 4th year hobbyist; two hives, one established and very strong, the other a month old from a nuc... growing well. I sat down and watched the front of the hive on the strong colony for about 10 minutes (to me as engrossing as the hypnotic qualities of a campfire) and noticed something I'd never seen before. First, it was quite warm as it has been lately here in Ontario, Canada and the bees have been quite clustered at the hive entrance. Many times, I watched bees that were literally dragging other bees away >from the hive by a leg or two. They were really very determined, and the "pullee" clearly did not want to leave the hive. Only one was a baby bee, still with shriveled wings. The rest seemed to be normal workers. When cast out they either fell into the grass or flew away; about 50/50. I witnessed about a dozen displays of this in the 10 minute period. Is this normal? Are the outcasts old, sick, dying bees (in some way unhealthy) or are they robbers, or both? This is very puzzling. Also, another behavior equally puzzling to me. Many of the bees were heads down at the entrance and looked to be scrubbing or polishing the bottom board with their front feet. Just standing there making little circles. Strange... Lastly, the front of the hive seems quite congested, is this normal? They do have lots of room with two brood supers and a honey super they are clearly preparing for honey (the drawn out frames from last year are not being chewed away anymore, they are building the cells back up and drawing back out). Thanks so much for any insight you can provide. Regards, John Summerfield From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bears sell honey Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:15:37 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7l294j$pbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990625230113.05875.00001509@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-85.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930392019 25974 209.130.165.85 (26 Jun 1999 10:13:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 10:13:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18837 ;-) If the bear sells honey...I'm all for it, even though we know how destructive a bear can be to a yard. I've seen what a bear can do to a yard...awesome how mangle those boxes and frames! I suppose the majority of the honey consuming public "grew up" squeezing honey from a bear container and just reach for like containers when buying in the supermarket?! Before I got into bees...I just thought honey was honey...never paid attention to color or floral source or even thought about looking on the label for where the honey came from (ie. USA, Argentina or China). --Busybee --Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990625230113.05875.00001509@ngol05.aol.com>... >I read where if you put a bee on the label for honey it may have an adverse >effect on sales. The beekeeper that wrote the book said he defiantly put a >picture of a bee anyways since he had respect and gratitude for bees. > >Strangely they use bear bottles to package the honey even though they are the >quite a pest to beekeepers. Is it because the consumer empathizes with the >bear's fondess for honey? Actually I read that adult bears prefer the brood >more than the honey. > >Bears are quite destructive to an apiary. They have been known to carry entire >hive a considerable distance. They proceed to disassemble it by batting supers >in all directions. Then at peace go through each super. LH may be completely >destroyed. If this were to happen to a beekeeper I wonder how he would feel >about putting the honey in a bear bottle to sell? > >Al >gone hunting ( wild bees) From frick@fracks.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.93.67.47!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse2.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3774B5EB.A65FA382@fracks.com> From: SPINEL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue References: <7kj3f8$cik$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990624214212.01119.00005285@ng-fi1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 56 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:10:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tampabay.rr.com X-Trace: newse2.tampabay.rr.com 930395417 24.92.206.58 (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:10:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:10:17 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18838 alt.religion.kibology:211212 Dave Green wrote: > From: "Barry Birkey" > > >when > >someone says not to paint the inside of a hive that there is something bad > >or wrong in doing it. I'm sure most first time beekeepers starting out with > >their new hives hearing this would think that it would have some negative > >effect on the bees when in fact it really is a matter of personal > >preference. > > It's an old wives tale, as Barry notes, that bees "don't like paint." I > have handled thousands of hive bodies that were dipped in paint, and the bees > don't care. > This is correct.Bees are not concerned about paint or glue for that matter. However the concern might be for teratogenic effects. > The personal preference comes to this: How long do you want the hive bodies > to last? If you want maximum life, do inside and outside. The endless debate > on moisture movement/retention doesn't really address the issue. The simple > fact is that it works. Hive bodies that are painted both sides will not warp > anywhere near the same amount as those painted only on one side. Of all the > thousands I've handled, I can't really think of any dipped ones that had ANY > warpage. I've seen lots of one-side-painted ones that pulled nails and split > boards. > > Interestingly there doesn't seem to be any difference in propensity to rot. > Both will rot equally, if the wood is allowed to remain wet. > > As a commercial beekeeper, who doesn't have an outside income to support my > beekeeping, my purchases of new boxes are rare. It's too easy to find used ones > at a small fraction of the price of new. But if I were to buy a bunch of new > ones, you can bet I'd paint both sides. I've seen enough to not worry about the > theories of why it makes a difference. I've seen the difference so many times. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm -- Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel catch the curve of your leather heel, before he blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From bud_zeist@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!nmia!not-for-mail From: "Steve" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:16:15 -0600 Organization: New Mexico Internet Access Lines: 93 Message-ID: <7l3c9b$9mo$1@hume.nmia.com> References: <7kj3f8$cik$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990624214212.01119.00005285@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3774B5EB.A65FA382@fracks.com> Reply-To: "Steve" NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup231.nmia.com X-Trace: hume.nmia.com 930428011 9944 206.206.163.31 (26 Jun 1999 20:13:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nmia.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 20:13:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18839 I have always painted both inside & out. I live in the SW United States where it is hot and the humidity is low. Everything dry out so to protect the boxes. I always paint both inside & out. I do have some concerns over paint fumes. So I hang the boxes on hooks in the garage to season well. When I started out with beekeeping. I read that if you painted each hive a little different that the bee can find their hive easier. So what I did was the use nautical flags as patterns. I do this only on the brood boxes and leave the suppers just white. I am not sure that it helps that much. But it makes it nice looking colony. Steve SPINEL wrote in message news:3774B5EB.A65FA382@fracks.com... | Dave Green wrote: | | > From: "Barry Birkey" | > | > >when | > >someone says not to paint the inside of a hive that there is something bad | > >or wrong in doing it. I'm sure most first time beekeepers starting out with | > >their new hives hearing this would think that it would have some negative | > >effect on the bees when in fact it really is a matter of personal | > >preference. | > | > It's an old wives tale, as Barry notes, that bees "don't like paint." I | > have handled thousands of hive bodies that were dipped in paint, and the bees | > don't care. | > | | This is correct.Bees are not concerned about paint or glue for that matter. | However the concern might be for teratogenic effects. | | | | > The personal preference comes to this: How long do you want the hive bodies | > to last? If you want maximum life, do inside and outside. The endless debate | > on moisture movement/retention doesn't really address the issue. The simple | > fact is that it works. Hive bodies that are painted both sides will not warp | > anywhere near the same amount as those painted only on one side. Of all the | > thousands I've handled, I can't really think of any dipped ones that had ANY | > warpage. I've seen lots of one-side-painted ones that pulled nails and split | > boards. | > | > Interestingly there doesn't seem to be any difference in propensity to rot. | > Both will rot equally, if the wood is allowed to remain wet. | > | > As a commercial beekeeper, who doesn't have an outside income to support my | > beekeeping, my purchases of new boxes are rare. It's too easy to find used ones | > at a small fraction of the price of new. But if I were to buy a bunch of new | > ones, you can bet I'd paint both sides. I've seen enough to not worry about the | > theories of why it makes a difference. I've seen the difference so many times. | > | > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA | > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html | > | > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) | > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm | | | | | | -- | Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face | one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel | catch the curve of your leather heel, before he | blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel | | From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:29:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil treatment for varroa? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:26:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7l3d52$ouj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-92.ibogaine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 930428898 25555 62.136.72.220 (26 Jun 1999 20:28:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 20:28:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 99 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18840 Reposting for those who seem to have missed it: Peter Edwards wrote in message ... >I have just read some research on this in the Journal of Apicultural >Research (Vol 37 No 4 1998) by Conte, Colin, Paris and Crauser. > >Briefly they sprayed an emulsion of: >1 Rape oil >2 Mineral oil >3 Mineral oil +Tween 20 (a tensio-active agent) [can anyone out there >tell me more about this substance?] > >They were effective in that order rape 57.1% +/- 10.1%, mineral oil 80.6% >+/- 7.4%, the mixture 97.0% +/- 1.3%. > >They made the point that treatment times of up to 10 mins per hive made it >uneconomic for commercial beekeeping; also, the mites were still alive when >collected on a special oiled sheet on the floor - so you need to need a >special floor; conclusion was that it could 'be the basis of a useful >biotechnical method...' > >More research needed I think. > > > > > > >Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3769A86F.33DF9AA9@valley.net>... >>Spike Psarris wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> First of all, thanks from a complete (2 weeks and counting) >newbie. I've >>> been reading all I can find on the subject for a year now, and there's >>> still so much to learn... This newsgroup is great. >>> >>> I have a question on alternate treatments for varroa. I've seen >here >>> references to using mineral oil to treat for the mites (like at >>> http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html ). This seems >great, >>> except that I'd rather not use petroleum products on my bees if at all >>> possible. Does anybody know if vegetable oil would work too, if so which >>> of the types of oil, and if not why not? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Spike Psarris >>> -- >>> remove spamfree to reply >> >>greetings, >> >>about 3 years ago at a local beekeeping workshop out in one of the member's >apiary, >>the speaker demonstrated how he used paper napkins soaked in vegetable oil >to treat >>for varroa. he soaked the napkin [plain white], opened the hive and laid >the napkin >>across the tops of the frames in the upper brood box. over time the bees >would chew >>up the napkin to dispose of it, spreading the oil on themselves and others >[via >>grooming] in the process. he did not use apistan strips, and had been >using this >>method for 3 years. we did both a drone brood and ether roll test for >varroa and >>found one mite in about 200 bees and a frame [both sides] of brood. >> >>however, he did point out that some colonies will just propolize the entire >napkin, >>rather than chew it up, defeating its purpose. also, i think vegetable oil >might go >>rancid, if it sat too long in the hive in the summer. personally, i have >used >>mineral oil. just be sure to use food grade mo. >> >>hope this helps, >> >>bill >> >>########################################## >> >>don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player >> >>bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >>greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 >> >> > > From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:29:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jun 1999 13:21:24 GMT References: <3774B5EB.A65FA382@fracks.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626092124.12512.00002012@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18841 From: SPINEL >This is correct.Bees are not concerned about paint or glue for that matter. >However the concern might be for teratogenic effects. > There you go, throwing around big words! What, are you talking about - lead poisoning? I don't believe lead is used in paint any more. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From frick@fracks.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!attmtf!attmt2!ip.att.net!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse2.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> From: Pearl Warren X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics Subject: Bee navigation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:08:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tampabay.rr.com X-Trace: newse2.tampabay.rr.com 930431329 24.92.206.58 (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:08:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:08:49 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18842 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:106 sci.physics:391512 Honey bees use the sun as a reference point in navigation and communication. Experiments have shown that bees have internal representation of the sun's movement through the sky and suggest that this representation is innate, but is tailored by experience. Attempts to model this representation have not been entirely successful. The sun's movement across the sky varies by location on the earth, season, and time of day. In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to rise in the northeast and set in the northwest, but conversely, in the Southern Hemisphere, the sun rises in the southeast and sets in the southwest. This is a direct consequence of the earth's tilted axis. Even in the same hemisphere, the closer the observer is to the pole, the more of the sky the sun's path includes. Even more subtle is that the angular change in the sun's position is greater at midday than at sunrise and sunset. The function that describes the sun's position with time at a given latitude is called the local ephemeris function. Given that bees do use the sun for navigation and communication, they must have a working sense of the ephemeris function. Bees usually only eke a few flights outside the hive before foraging, so if they learn the ephemeris, they must do it quickly. There are also experiments which limit the times of day that bees can see the sun and indicate that bees ``know'' where the sun is even at hours when they have never seen it. These facts combined with experimental data suggest that bees have an innate sense of the sun's motion.Moreover, zoologists observing flying bees throughout the day know that the bee's dances show a smooth transition through midday on overcast days when the bees cannot see the sun. This seems to imply that, with experience, the bees can refine this innate sense so that it accurately represents their particular ephemeris function. SPINEL -- Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel catch the curve of your leather heel, before he blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From nospam@nosite.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul Lutus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> Subject: Re: Bee navigation Lines: 53 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <9wbd3.92524$_m4.860399@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:22:13 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-WBlnuZQTVhGO60S6+IQT6Di63X7BMb4LSNZKfTJv7+9q/VwW+yTaUBOUb8OVOQHK3Qop3oCR8KUuZNs!/F/kLw265gVk X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:22:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18843 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:107 sci.physics:391513 << In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to rise in the northeast and set in the northwest >> In midsummer, yes. In midwinter, it rises in the SE and sets in the SW. In Spring and Fall, it rises in the E and sets in the W. Think about it. -- Paul Lutus www.arachnoid.com Pearl Warren wrote in message <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com>... >Honey bees use the sun as a reference point in navigation and >communication. Experiments have shown that bees have internal >representation of the sun's movement through the sky and suggest that >this representation is innate, but is tailored by experience. Attempts >to model this representation have not been entirely successful. >The sun's movement across the sky varies by location on the earth, >season, and time of day. In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to >rise in the northeast and set in the northwest, but conversely, in the >Southern Hemisphere, the sun rises in the southeast and sets in the >southwest. This is a direct consequence of the earth's tilted axis. Even >in the same hemisphere, the closer the observer is to the pole, the more >of the sky the sun's path includes. Even more subtle is that the angular >change in the sun's position is greater at midday than at sunrise and >sunset. The function that describes the sun's position with time at a >given latitude is called the local ephemeris function. > >Given that bees do use the sun for navigation and communication, they >must have a working sense of the ephemeris function. Bees usually only >eke a few flights outside the hive before foraging, so if they learn the >ephemeris, they must do it quickly. There are also experiments which >limit the times of day that bees can see the sun and indicate that bees >``know'' where the sun is even at hours when they have never seen it. >These facts combined with experimental data suggest that bees have an >innate sense of the sun's motion.Moreover, zoologists observing flying >bees throughout the day know that the bee's dances show a smooth >transition through midday on overcast days when the bees cannot see the >sun. This seems to imply that, with experience, the bees can refine this >innate sense so that it accurately represents their particular ephemeris >function. > >SPINEL > >-- >Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face >one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel >catch the curve of your leather heel, before he >blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel > > From bill.mundy@zbee.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solitary Bees in Grass Bank Message-ID: <930434675@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:26:16 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 6973b883 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(422) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 930438129 26082 194.112.32.19 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18844 Ho Folk, I have today been called upon by an 80 year old couple who have a grass bank on one side of their lawn which is inhabited by about 200 saolitary Bee nests. The continuing flying to and forth from the nests make sitting out on the lawn uncomfortable. They don't want to kill them if it can be avoided but they wish to reclaim their lawn Anyone had experience of dealing with this problem? The bank is clay under the grass. The bees are thin and black - so many varieties I wouldn't like to try to guess which they are. Thanks for any help you can give. William. --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From adam26@nol.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ31b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Why keep bees? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.126.40.8 X-Trace: typ31b.nn.bcandid.com 930438364 206.126.40.8 (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:06:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:06:04 EDT Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:52:19 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18845 I just stumbled though here and was kinda curious about bee keeping? Why do it? Do you make any money from it, or you you just do it as a hobby? I think it is really neat and would do it myself, only it seems like a high maintenance hobby. Is this true? I saw a Martha Stewart show and her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From reading these posts I would say that's not true. -Adam From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.physics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 22:24:01 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 101 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <9wbd3.92524$_m4.860399@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.85 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:21:12 GMT X-Trace: 930439272.026.87 KRFRRPH9I1C55CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:108 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18846 sci.physics:391532 Hi, Do I gotta ? Thinking hurts . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/26/99 2:22PM, in message <9wbd3.92524$_m4.860399@news2.giganews.com>, "Paul Lutus" wrote: << In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to rise in the northeast and set in the northwest >> In midsummer, yes. In midwinter, it rises in the SE and sets in the SW. In Spring and Fall, it rises in the E and sets in the W. Think about it. -- Paul Lutus www.arachnoid.com Pearl Warren wrote in message <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com>... >Honey bees use the sun as a reference point in navigation and >communication. Experiments have shown that bees have internal >representation of the sun's movement through the sky and suggest that >this representation is innate, but is tailored by experience. Attempts >to model this representation have not been entirely successful. >The sun's movement across the sky varies by location on the earth, >season, and time of day. In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to >rise in the northeast and set in the northwest, but conversely, in the >Southern Hemisphere, the sun rises in the southeast and sets in the >southwest. This is a direct consequence of the earth's tilted axis. Even >in the same hemisphere, the closer the observer is to the pole, the more >of the sky the sun's path includes. Even more subtle is that the angular >change in the sun's position is greater at midday than at sunrise and >sunset. The function that describes the sun's position with time at a >given latitude is called the local ephemeris function. > >Given that bees do use the sun for navigation and communication, they >must have a working sense of the ephemeris function. Bees usually only >eke a few flights outside the hive before foraging, so if they learn the >ephemeris, they must do it quickly. There are also experiments which >limit the times of day that bees can see the sun and indicate that bees >``know'' where the sun is even at hours when they have never seen it. >These facts combined with experimental data suggest that bees have an >innate sense of the sun's motion.Moreover, zoologists observing flying >bees throughout the day know that the bee's dances show a smooth >transition through midday on overcast days when the bees cannot see the >sun. This seems to imply that, with experience, the bees can refine this >innate sense so that it accurately represents their particular ephemeris >function. > >SPINEL > >-- >Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face >one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel >catch the curve of your leather heel, before he >blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel > > From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:29:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37756246.FFE@midwest.net> References: <7kj3f8$cik$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990624214212.01119.00005285@ng-fi1.aol.com> <3774B5EB.A65FA382@fracks.com> <7l3c9b$9mo$1@hume.nmia.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.47 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:43:19 GMT X-Trace: 930440599.950.13 JF3D7GB4M1C2FD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18847 Steve wrote: > When I started out with beekeeping. I read that if you painted each hive a > little different that the bee can find their hive easier. So what I did > was the use nautical flags as patterns. ....and each bee as it lands with its load of nectar/pollen must inquire: "Permission to come aboard, Sir?" AL From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:30:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <377562A4.5191@midwest.net> References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.47 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:44:54 GMT X-Trace: 930440694.209.33 JF3D7GB4M1C2FD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18848 Adam wrote: > I saw a Martha Stewart show and > her beekeeping. That was not a good thing.... AL From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:26:09 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 55 Message-ID: <37756191.2B69@midwest.net> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.47 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:40:19 GMT X-Trace: 930440419.294.61 JF3D7GB4M1C2FD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18849 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:109 sci.physics:391536 Interesting. BTW, its *Mrs* Peel, not Miss Peel... AL Pearl Warren wrote: > > Honey bees use the sun as a reference point in navigation and > communication. Experiments have shown that bees have internal > representation of the sun's movement through the sky and suggest that > this representation is innate, but is tailored by experience. Attempts > to model this representation have not been entirely successful. > The sun's movement across the sky varies by location on the earth, > season, and time of day. In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to > rise in the northeast and set in the northwest, but conversely, in the > Southern Hemisphere, the sun rises in the southeast and sets in the > southwest. This is a direct consequence of the earth's tilted axis. Even > in the same hemisphere, the closer the observer is to the pole, the more > of the sky the sun's path includes. Even more subtle is that the angular > change in the sun's position is greater at midday than at sunrise and > sunset. The function that describes the sun's position with time at a > given latitude is called the local ephemeris function. > > Given that bees do use the sun for navigation and communication, they > must have a working sense of the ephemeris function. Bees usually only > eke a few flights outside the hive before foraging, so if they learn the > ephemeris, they must do it quickly. There are also experiments which > limit the times of day that bees can see the sun and indicate that bees > ``know'' where the sun is even at hours when they have never seen it. > These facts combined with experimental data suggest that bees have an > innate sense of the sun's motion.Moreover, zoologists observing flying > bees throughout the day know that the bee's dances show a smooth > transition through midday on overcast days when the bees cannot see the > sun. This seems to imply that, with experience, the bees can refine this > innate sense so that it accurately represents their particular ephemeris > function. > > SPINEL > > -- > Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face > one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel > catch the curve of your leather heel, before he > blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From barry@birkey.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:02:18 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7l3prn$56c$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18850 Well you know Martha Stewart, she makes everything look easier than it is. If I'm not mistaken, she has her own strain of bees that require little to no work at all. When the camera's not on, her army of helpers get busy with all the work. For all I know Kmart might be selling her bees. I'd look into this further though, before you go starting a few hives expecting to get loads of honey with little to no work. -Barry ---------- In article <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net>, Adam wrote: > high maintenance hobby. Is this true? I saw a Martha Stewart show and > her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping > stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on > it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From > reading these posts I would say that's not true. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:46:17 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7l3s66$gog$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-19.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930444294 17168 209.130.165.19 (27 Jun 1999 00:44:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 00:44:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18851 This is THEE very reason that I believe Martha Stewart is an idea rather than a real person! I saw one of her beekeeping episodes and I almost laughed myself silly! This episode confirmed to me that she is a complete fake. My first clue that she did not keep those bees herself was that she put packaged bees on foundation...that is downright cruel! I know that for television you need to make things neat and tidy but I'll bet she has never tried to get propolis out from beneath her fingernails ;-) Adam, don't believe that beekeeping is as easy as she makes it out to be. If you want to get into beekeeping, I suggest you actually follow a REAL beekeeper around for a _year_--then you will know exactly what is involoved. --Busybee Adam wrote in message <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net>... >I just stumbled though here and was kinda curious about bee keeping? Why >do it? Do you make any money from it, or you you just do it as a hobby? >I think it is really neat and would do it myself, only it seems like a >high maintenance hobby. Is this true? I saw a Martha Stewart show and >her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping >stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on >it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From >reading these posts I would say that's not true. > >-Adam > From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> Subject: Re: Bee navigation Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:50:31 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 930444904 24.93.149.35 (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:55:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:55:04 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18852 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:110 sci.physics:391543 These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows where the sun is on a cloudy day? From tenmoku@webtv.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR00hjom6GC+KaRCHzl78n+fVzzpAIUeZEariPuhN3rYrLPA27BFlIaji0= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18853 Hello all. I am a first year beekeeper. I started in May with two established hives which are doing fine. I have captured a couple of swarms and one of them is doing fine but I believe the last one as no queen. All the bees I have look to be Italians. I would like to see what Carniolans are capable of here in the North end of the Willamette Valley of Oregon so I am thinking of buying a Carniolan queen to make my last swarm queenright. Does anyone know of any potential problems of having different races of bees in the same yard. I have the ability to place hives over 10 mixed tree and field acres. Thanks for any help. From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To kill a queen Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 01:44:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626214445.25917.00004590@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18854 If I kill the failing queen Monday, but won't be able to put the new queen in until Wednesday, will drone-laying workers be likely to develop in that time? From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:29:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.82.12!newsrouter.icnc.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To kill a queen Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 02:18:58 GMT References: <19990626214445.25917.00004590@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626221858.12516.00002098@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18855 >If I kill the failing queen Monday, but won't be able to put the new queen in >until Wednesday, will drone-laying workers be likely to develop in that time? Not unless they already have. It will give the workers enough time to realize they are queenless, though. You may find them a bit "uppity." Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jrjr86@hotmail.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "jrjrj" Subject: Parasites in Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: invincible46.gbmtech.net/208.243.170.46 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 930449315840 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <0Lfd3.16355$Xr4.133674@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 02:11:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 930449468 216.200.3.202 (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:11:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:11:08 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18856 I am in the food processing industry and have come across the most amazing anti-microbial and bacteriacidal sanitizer. This "sanitizer" has found success in with many unexpected applications. In brain storming here, we believe that fogging this chemical may kill the mites and leave the bees unharmed and healthy. I am no expert on bees so perhaps a differnt application method would be more successful but we can work out the details. Perhaps even treating the pollen in flowers?? If anyone out there has any interest in trying this please contact me. >From what I have read beekeepers are in a bad way. This may be worth a try. --JR -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jun 29 05:29:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 03:03:13 GMT References: <7l3s66$gog$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626230313.05184.00000950@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18857 There was discussion on one of the gardening newsgreoups about a Martha Stewart Lilac. I asked what does it do -hire another shrub to bloom for it? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 03:16:35 GMT References: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626231635.17078.00004091@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18858 >Does anyone know of any potential problems of having different races of >bees in the same yard. I have the a no probs really, it'll all even out in the wash since drones drift from hive to hive anyway good luck, welcome to the crowd Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 03:31:31 GMT References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626233131.17078.00004096@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18859 >I just stumbled though here and was kinda curious about bee keeping? Why >do it? ah the eternal question, asked by young and old alike. could it be because they are there ? No my friend it's because they are not ! Long gone are the times when one could stumble across a bee tree on a short trek into the woodlands of america. Long gone are the humble bee gums lining an old farmers field. No longer can a child revel in the theft of a watermelon knowing that its inner pulp will be the sweetest thing since mothers milk. No my friend the days of plenty of pollinators just from mother nature are gone. Oh it could be nature finally paying us back, misshapen fruits with no taste or no fruits at all, flowers that bloom never to bloom again, robbed of the very essence that produces it's seed. But for whatever reason be it man or mite, the precious honey bee is going the way of all the other things we took for granted. Why keep bees you ask? Because in return they keep us. Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus and I sincerely hope I can tell my grand kids That there are honey bees as well. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South African bee Keeper Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 03:38:30 GMT References: <37753F27.356C9B15@obp.agric.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626233830.17078.00004098@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18860 Greetings Glen, Could you please relate to us any experiance that you may have had with the African small hive beetle. We are being invaded by the pest this year and i'm sure everyone would like to hear from someone who may have dealt with them on their home soil. Respectfully, Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jun 1999 03:46:08 GMT References: <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990626234608.17078.00004101@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18861 Ok guys heres the answer When using 2 brood chambers, sometimes you end up with brood above and below usually one sided If you move the brood down, usually you can eliminate honey cloging of the lower box, put more bees at the entrance to discourage robbing and puts empty frames right above the brood nest where they are more likely to be filled instead of on the outer edges. ok ok i'll think of a better one next time Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From endocrine@organharvest.com Tue Jun 29 05:29:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!attmt2!ip.att.net!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse3.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> From: Emmett Pisces X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:18:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newse3.tampabay.rr.com 930457137 24.92.206.58 (Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:18:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:18:57 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18862 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:112 sci.physics:391573 sci.optics:45024 rick wrote: > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > where the sun is on a cloudy day? Thats a good question. Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? How would they orient? -- Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel catch the curve of your leather heel, before he blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil for varroa treatment Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:16:14 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3775A58E.3EC79C93@valley.net> References: <7l1l2l$m58$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990626074609.12508.00001983@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18863 JMitc1014 wrote: > Actually no, it was not a treatment for tracheal mites. It was about oil > treatment for varroa (see below). And "food-grade mineral oil" is not a > petroleum product; otherwise, it wouldn't be "food grade." > That prompts another question -- what is it about grease patties that would > help cure tracheal mites? Is it the grease that troubles the mites or is the > patty just a delivery vehicle for the treatment (like if you added mint oil > extract to the patty for instance)? > What follows is the conversation I downloaded about the oil treatment for > varroa. Participants included Peter Edwards, Bill Greenrose, Spike Psarris and > Barry Birkey. What do you guys think of the original questions with which I > started this thread about oil and varroa? > sorry to cut out most of the thread, but i can't get the post up if there is less no material than old. regarding one of your original questions about using the napkin method, but substituting fgmo for vegetable oil, that is something i thought about doing, when i tried fgmo as a varroa control. my method, which was dr. rodriguez' original method, was to dribble a thin line of fgmo on the top of EVERY brood box frame, be it a single, double or triple brood box hive. that was his method, which purportedly yielded excellent results. as you can imagine, it was a bit of a pain to apply and you had to be careful not to apply to much or you ended up with a lot of drenched, soon-to-be-dead bees. anyway, i thought the napkin method was much cleaner, and the use of fgmo would eliminate the possibility of the oil going rancid. but, i haven't seen any new data from dr. rodriguez and i haven't used fgmo in a couple of years. oh, and by the way, fgmo IS a petroleum product. it is a mixture of highly refined hydrocarbons. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jun 29 05:29:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:48:50 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 98 Message-ID: <3775AD31.4D769D80@valley.net> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18864 Spike Psarris wrote: > Hello all, > More "practical" questions (and thanks to all those who have helped me to > this point). > So here are my questions: > > 1) I called the beekeeper afterwards and he explained that I should have > pried the boxes apart from the short sides, prying downwards to press the > bottom frames down and thus separate them from the upper box. (I felt > really stupid when he explained this.) Are there any other "tricks" like > this to manipulating the boxes? > i pry up one side of the upper box, make sure it is loose, and then give it a twist, bracing the lower box between my legs. the frames can't go anywhere, because they're all pressed together. if there are any frames stuck together between boxes the bridge of comb between them breaks. > 2) He also said that there was a good chance that the Apistan strip had > fallen down between the frames. I've seen the strips, but never in this > context (in the midst of a hive) - can I assume that the strip would be > visible if it had not fallen down? > could have fallen down between the frames. if they've built up a lot of comb, then it could be hard to see. > 3) ...and if it had fallen down, would it likely be between the frames or > laying on the bottom board? > still between them, i think, although, you never know with bees. > 4) ...and if on the bottom board, what would be the easiest way to get to > it? To take the bottom box off the board, do I have to worry about frames > being attached to the board, or other "gotchas" like this? How do the bees > react to having the main box suddenly removed off the board (albeit > temporarily)? > if it's down there, ya gotta pull that bottom box. the alternative would be to pull several frames, set them aside and check down to the bottom board. then, slide a couple of frames into the gap, and check below them. repeat, until you find the strip. i think pulling the whole box is easier. by the time you get that deep into your hive, between box maipulation and pulling/replacing frames, you're gonna have bees all over the place, anyway. they will not be the happiest critters around, but the key is to work steadily and smoothly. try to kill as few bees as possible. a cloud of bees usually looks worse than it is. whatever you do...don't panic. as to comb attaching to bottom board, i don't usually see it. they like to add some comb to the bottoms of the frames in the bottom box, but they usually keep the board clear. maybe it makes for better housekeeping. > 5) Finally, while staring down into the main brood chamber, I saw several > queen cells (I think). A couple were between the frames, and I couldn't > see them very well. One was on top of a frame however. That one wasn't > capped. My initial concern was that these were swarming preparations, > except that the queen is only 9 months old, and the top brood chamber had > nowhere near the density of bees that the bottom chamber did, so I figure > they still have room (?). I remember "queen cups" being contrasted with > queen cells in some of my books, but unfortunately they're all packed and > won't be available for a little while. Could somebody help me here? > was there any room in either box for egg laying or nectar storing? it's not the density of bees on the frames, it's availability of comb for general hive activities. if they've become honeybound because a flow is on and they haven't got any supers, then they could be getting ready to swarm, even with a young queen. the old homestead is just too small. get that strip out, add supers [give 'em room], remove queen cells. then, go back and remove more queen cells. repeat. that's if you want to try and avoid a swarm and you don't want any more hives. if you want to split your hives, that's another way to stop a colony from swarming. others will provide other ideas, i'm sure. a couple of other points. 1) if your supplier only placed one apistan strip per box, then he underdoesed. treatment is TWO strips PER brood box. if ya got 2 boxes, that's 4 strips. 2) assuming you get that strip out before supering, there is no reason you can't use the honey you collect in the supers. there's no waiting period for fluvalinate. getting the strips out before the flow starts is a management issue, because most beekeepers super as soon as or just before the flow starts. since you haven't added your supers, yet, you haven't contaminated any honey meant for human consumption. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From allend@internode.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Looking for "BEE" graphics .bmp, .jpeg etc Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:57:19 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <001301bec059$89361d80$02000003@allend> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18865 > > Could anyone guide me to, or provide me with high quality > color graphics > > of bees?? Try http://db.photovault.com/ allen From eijs.duur@consunet.nl Tue Jun 29 05:30:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "M.J.van Eijsden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeypotcollecting Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:50:06 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline News server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7l4vls$r5k$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp210-54.worldonline.nl X-Trace: news.worldonline.nl 930480636 27828 195.241.210.54 (27 Jun 1999 10:50:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 10:50:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18866 Hallo, I've been a collector of honeypots for many years now. In that time I've tried to find a japanese white pot in the form of a pagoda, but could'nt get one. Is there anyone who can help me getting one? Thank you in advance. M.J.van Eijsden, The Netherlands email:eijs.duur@consunet.nl From dcoulte@ibm.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I have bees; do you want them? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:37:01 +0100 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.130.244 Message-ID: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> X-Trace: 27 Jun 1999 15:39:17 GMT, 129.37.130.244 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!129.37.130.244 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:113 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18867 I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be torn down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: dcoulte@ibm.net From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive- special paint and special glue Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:00:36 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3775AFF4.5EB65AFD@valley.net> References: <3774B5EB.A65FA382@fracks.com> <19990626092124.12512.00002012@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18868 Dave Green wrote: > From: SPINEL > > >This is correct.Bees are not concerned about paint or glue for that matter. > >However the concern might be for teratogenic effects. > > > > There you go, throwing around big words! What, are you talking about - lead > poisoning? I don't believe lead is used in paint any more. > teratogenic - causes birth defects. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:04:39 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18869 busybee wrote: > I'm not following...why would you have more than 2 brood boxes in a colony? > > --Busybee > > to get a larger colony. to ensure enough winter stores in northen climates without having to worry about feeding in late winter or keeping an extra super on top 'just in case.'. i run 3 full deep brood boxes. awesome colonies. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From dscribner@NOSPAMbigfoot.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: africanized bees in florida...again Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:58:50 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 75 Message-ID: <7l5l7d$k5c@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <37710A06.233B@juno.com> Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-41.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 27 11:58:21 AM CDT 1999 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18870 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message: > > Whether the Africanized bees will spread further and threaten Florida's $20 > > million honey industry remained uncertain > > How will africanized bees threaten the honey industry? For starters, since the demeanor of the AHB is more vicious than the European honey bee, it may drive many beekeepers from the business. This has happened already down in South America and Mexico. It really affects the hobbyist more so, however, perhaps as hobbyists don't have as much at stake to loose... they just kill off the hives and sell off the equipment. I have heard reports that in South America, up to 80% of the hobbyist beekeepers gave up after their hives became so populated with AHB that they decided it just wasn't "fun" anymore. Also, in those states that are reporting incidents of AHBs, many of those counties are being placed under quarantine. This prohibits beekeepers from transporting hives out of those regions (legally, though I wouldn't doubt if some are finding new "back roads" to travel). For commercial beekeepers that migrate their bees across the country, this prohibits them from crossing those areas, or taking them out of those areas if they were in place there when the quarantine was put in place. There are other factors to consider, too. Commercial operators would have to find employees willing to take many more stings than normal when working them, they would have to dress more heavily (making hot working conditions even hotter). Another reason follows your question below. It has been reported that the AHB actually produces MORE honey than European honey bees, as they are also more aggressive in working blooms (harder, faster). However, getting them to stick around with it is another story. > > African honey bees are more intensely protective of their hives than common > > European honey bees. Beekeepers fear them because when they swarm, half the > > bees in a colony leave and start a new colony, thereby reducing honey > > production. > > Isn't that the way all bees swarm? Yes, but AHB do it MUCH more frequently than European honey bees. They build a nest (or take over a more docile honey bee hive), and swarm. That is one reason for their rapid spread of up to approximately 300 miles per year... entrench, swarm, entrench, swarm. This is also another reason that makes commercial operations more susceptible... if you're operation depends on the honey collected, you'll loose a lot of it when the swarm takes off with it. You could drive yourself crazy (and broke) just trying to catch and hive them all! And, the AHB often absconds the hive completely. > > In addition, "African bees are harder to maintain, which would reduce the > > number of available bees for pollination. This would have an even greater > > impact on food prices than on the honey industry," Hall said. > > You mean they're more suseptible to diseases, mites, etc? No. In fact, they seem to be more resistant to mites than the European honey bee. Perhaps because their disposition to pests, etc. (i.e.: moths, mice, etc.) is more intolerable. Also, many believe that a major contributor to their mite resistance is that they swarm so often. Mites don't have a chance to entrench themselves as the bees are always "on the go". This is another reason why the bees don't seem to suffer from other diseases as well (like foulbrood). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From martin@bromleyinstruments.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!bromleyinst.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Martin Hogbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:16:50 +0100 Organization: Bromley Instruments Message-ID: <37755F61.798028DA@bromleyinstruments.co.uk> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bromleyinst.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: bromleyinst.demon.co.uk:194.222.226.216 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 930482022 nnrp-13:14876 NO-IDENT bromleyinst.demon.co.uk:194.222.226.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18871 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:114 sci.physics:391621 Pearl Warren wrote: > Honey bees use the sun as a reference point in navigation and > communication. Experiments have shown that bees have internal > representation of the sun's movement through the sky and suggest that > this representation is innate, but is tailored by experience. Attempts > to model this representation have not been entirely successful. > The sun's movement across the sky varies by location on the earth, > season, and time of day. In the Northern Hemisphere, the sun appears to > rise in the northeast and set in the northwest, but conversely, in the > Southern Hemisphere, the sun rises in the southeast and sets in the > southwest. This is a direct consequence of the earth's tilted axis. Even > in the same hemisphere, the closer the observer is to the pole, the more > of the sky the sun's path includes. Even more subtle is that the angular > change in the sun's position is greater at midday than at sunrise and > sunset. The function that describes the sun's position with time at a > given latitude is called the local ephemeris function. > > Given that bees do use the sun for navigation and communication, they > must have a working sense of the ephemeris function. Bees usually only > eke a few flights outside the hive before foraging, so if they learn the > ephemeris, they must do it quickly. There are also experiments which > limit the times of day that bees can see the sun and indicate that bees > ``know'' where the sun is even at hours when they have never seen it. > These facts combined with experimental data suggest that bees have an > innate sense of the sun's motion.Moreover, zoologists observing flying > bees throughout the day know that the bee's dances show a smooth > transition through midday on overcast days when the bees cannot see the > sun. This seems to imply that, with experience, the bees can refine this > innate sense so that it accurately represents their particular ephemeris > function. > > SPINEL > > Perhaps the bees use the apparent rotation of the sun about the celestial pole and assume a constant angular velocity. This is what a garden sundial does. This results in a small time error which varies throughout the year but has a maximum value of about 16 minutes. I would have thought that this would have been accurate enough for navigational purposes. Martin Hogbin From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil for varroa treatment Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:15:46 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7l5lfr$cg4$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7l1l2l$m58$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990626074609.12508.00001983@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.206 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 930502971 12804 12.72.50.206 (27 Jun 1999 17:02:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 17:02:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18872 Yes, it is. That is what the "mineral" refers to. I had a page from the US gov't bookmarked that detailed all of the properties of FGMO. Unfortunately, my disk crashed last month and I lost it. I will try to find it and post it as a reference. -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990626074609.12508.00001983@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Actually no, it was not a treatment for tracheal mites. It was about oil > treatment for varroa (see below). And "food-grade mineral oil" is not a > petroleum product; otherwise, it wouldn't be "food grade." From dscribner@NOSPAMbigfoot.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:35:16 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo16-51.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 27 12:35:40 PM CDT 1999 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18873 Adam wrote in message: > I saw a Martha Stewart show and > her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping > stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on > it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract She actually has a beekeeper "manage" her hives for her. I laughed when I ran across a post in another message board that pointed to two of her online articles on beekeeping. One said she's been keeping bees for 15 year, one said 25 years... which one is correct? I could also tell in her article by how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) could have got past. Yes, she probably does check her bees once a year... probably from five feet away and over the shoulder of her hired beekeeper. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:26:20 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7l5nvg$m1m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.206 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 930505520 22582 12.72.50.206 (27 Jun 1999 17:45:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 17:45:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18874 This has always puzzled me and I am not questioning your observation (although I don't think you have a sufficient number of colonies to draw any conclusions based on comparison); but......., How does a 3 deep result in larger colonies? As long as there is sufficient room in 2 deep (i.e. not plugged) how does a 3 deep result in a larger colony? You are still limited by birth rate and death rate and there is an equalibrium which will be reached. In other words, if a queen is laying at her capacity and not constrained by lack of cells and a 3 deep has no effect on the death rate, how does the math work to support this? I have heard this before about 3 deeps but don't recall anyone ever explaining it in the context of population dynamics, only in subjective terms. It seems to me that there will be no difference in a well managed 2 deep and a well managed 3 deep. Has anyone ever quantified this with field tests? -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net... > busybee wrote: > > > I'm not following...why would you have more than 2 brood boxes in a colony? > > > > --Busybee > > > > > > > to get a larger colony. to ensure enough winter stores in northen climates > without having to worry about feeding in late winter or keeping an extra super > on top 'just in case.'. i run 3 full deep brood boxes. awesome colonies. > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > From info@westcan.ab.ca Tue Jun 29 05:30:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Westcan" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: AGRI-FINANCING Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:57:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.253.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 930517049 24.64.253.125 (Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:57:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:57:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3280 alt.agriculture.beef:1728 alt.agriculture.fruit:9143 alt.agriculture.misc:11024 sci.agriculture:35217 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18875 sci.agriculture.fruit:2837 sci.agriculture.poultry:12040 Westcan Business Development Corp., specializes in agricultural financing in Canada and the USA. 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Westcan Business Development Corp. 265-16 Midlake Blvd, SE Calgary, Alberta T2X 2X7 Canada Toll Free: 1-(888) 447-3276 Direct: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 Email: info@westcan.ab.ca From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solitary Bees in Grass Bank Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:54:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7l6330$f93$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <930434675@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-100.niobium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930516896 15651 62.136.20.100 (27 Jun 1999 20:54:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 20:54:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18876 Why would it be uncomfortable? They will not sting. I think that it is your job to convince them how lucky they are to have such wonderful creatures living in their garden. Bill Mundy wrote in message <930434675@zbee.com>... >Ho Folk, > I have today been called upon by an 80 year old couple who have a grass >bank on one side of their lawn which is inhabited by about 200 saolitary Bee >nests. > > The continuing flying to and forth from the nests make sitting out on the >lawn uncomfortable. > > They don't want to kill them if it can be avoided but they wish to reclaim >their lawn > > Anyone had experience of dealing with this problem? > > The bank is clay under the grass. The bees are thin and black - so many >varieties I wouldn't like to try to guess which they are. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > William. > >--- > * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To kill a queen Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:50:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7l632u$f93$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990626214445.25917.00004590@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-100.niobium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 930516894 15651 62.136.20.100 (27 Jun 1999 20:54:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 20:54:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18877 Introduce the new queen immediately when you kill a failing queen; I have never experienced a problem. If you wait, the bees will start to build queen cells and then they do not expect a laying queen to suddenly appear on the scene. The golden rule is - give them what they are expecting. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990626214445.25917.00004590@ng-da1.aol.com>... >If I kill the failing queen Monday, but won't be able to put the new queen in >until Wednesday, will drone-laying workers be likely to develop in that time? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 99 20:05:35 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> <7l3prn$56c$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.155 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:02:41 GMT X-Trace: 930517361.826.54 KRFRRPH9I989BCE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18878 Hi, My question, is : How do Martha's bees get the lids on all those wooden boxes of honey jars so soon to carry her label to the stores ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/26/99 5:02PM, in message <7l3prn$56c$1@eve.enteract.com>, "Barry Birkey" wrote: Well you know Martha Stewart, she makes everything look easier than it is. If I'm not mistaken, she has her own strain of bees that require little to no work at all. When the camera's not on, her army of helpers get busy with all the work. For all I know Kmart might be selling her bees. I'd look into this further though, before you go starting a few hives expecting to get loads of honey with little to no work. -Barry ---------- In article <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net>, Adam wrote: > high maintenance hobby. Is this true? I saw a Martha Stewart show and > her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping > stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on > it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From > reading these posts I would say that's not true. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 99 20:05:43 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 108 Message-ID: References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> <7l3s66$gog$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.155 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:02:51 GMT X-Trace: 930517371.206.96 KRFRRPH9I989BCE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18879 Hi, On a slightly more serious note . In my dad's time IT WAS THAT EASY . Given that you're still buying the hive components, and even if you eat the honey in the comb, it's still a monster mess . But, as the population has been herded into a "mobile"/transient mindset; and now agriculture not only has to deal with local pests, but all the enemies of our crops from all the world are finding their way into all of our crops, and fields . I'm a disbeliever in a "Y2k" computer disaster bringing an end to civilization . But as I read about all the other things going wrong, in many cases, cumulatively; I have begun putting together a pantry . If the world does go to hell in a handcart, bees will supply the ONLY source of pure sweetness there will be . Sugar manufacture requires an industrial base . And, our industries have given up independence, in the name of ultimate cheapness . For some, even if civilization collapses, they're going to bee in such businesses, that THEIR life won't actually change much . I think that bees, and their expert caretakers will be in that class of businessmen . If we can keep our internationally challenged bees alive that long . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/26/99 5:46PM, in message <7l3s66$gog$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: This is THEE very reason that I believe Martha Stewart is an idea rather than a real person! I saw one of her beekeeping episodes and I almost laughed myself silly! This episode confirmed to me that she is a complete fake. My first clue that she did not keep those bees herself was that she put packaged bees on foundation...that is downright cruel! I know that for television you need to make things neat and tidy but I'll bet she has never tried to get propolis out from beneath her fingernails ;-) Adam, don't believe that beekeeping is as easy as she makes it out to be. If you want to get into beekeeping, I suggest you actually follow a REAL beekeeper around for a _year_--then you will know exactly what is involved. --Busybee Adam wrote in message <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net>... >I just stumbled though here and was kinda curious about bee keeping? Why >do it? Do you make any money from it, or you you just do it as a hobby? >I think it is really neat and would do it myself, only it seems like a >high maintenance hobby. Is this true? I saw a Martha Stewart show and >her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping >stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on >it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From >reading these posts I would say that's not true. > >-Adam > From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No brood found Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:52:54 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37769b2c.7978340@news.pavilion.net> References: <19990621164607.03947.00001677@ng-cr1.aol.com> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-64.max2-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930520717 45908 212.74.8.192 (27 Jun 1999 21:58:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 21:58:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18880 I have just started myself and had a similar experience. No brood at all. I did obtain a swarm from a bee keeper locally to bump the numbers up I made no attempt to get a new queen as there had been several 'open' rather than torn down qeeen cells present. Rightly or wrongly I assumed that their must be a virgin queen, or recently mated queen, about to start laying. Although I have not had chance (due to the weather) to open and re-examine the hive the bees appear OK. Lots are flying and they don't seem upset as if there is no queen. However, I may not be seeing everything I should. On 21 Jun 1999 20:46:07 GMT, summerbeam@aol.com (Summerbeam) wrote: >Hi- > >I recently (3 weeks ago) got a 5 frame "nuc" with a Carnolian queen >supposedly). My question is: The hive seems quite active and is putting up >honey and pollen but, I find no brood. Did my queen die? If so, how long do I >have to get a replacement? > >Any thoughts are appreciated. > >Thank you, > >Bruce Wilson >summerbeam@aol.com From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:52:52 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3776979e.7067574@news.pavilion.net> References: <7jrdav$9h1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990611131537.23075.00001981@ngol04.aol.com> <3772168B.1064DC20@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-64.max2-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930520716 45908 212.74.8.192 (27 Jun 1999 21:58:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 21:58:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18881 Just joining this discussion byt surely they would have to prove, beyong all doubt that it was one of your bees? What are they going to do. Provide mug-shots? Does anybody know what the law is in the UK? From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:12 EDT 1999 Article: 18882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: langstroth hive - foundation and bee space Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:52:53 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Message-ID: <37769853.7248910@news.pavilion.net> References: <19990610170609.23076.00001707@ngol04.aol.com> <3760DE9B.2C34@earthlink.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-64.max2-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930520716 45908 212.74.8.192 (27 Jun 1999 21:58:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 21:58:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18882 On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:02:03 -0400, workerbee I have just started in the Uk with my first hive and that is a Langstroth. The brood chamber is fitted with full and wired foundation but the super I have only given starter strips. If I remember I'll let you know how I get on. From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French Beekeepers Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:07:42 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-64.max2-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930521606 45944 212.74.8.192 (27 Jun 1999 22:13:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 22:13:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18883 Can anybody give me the address of any major bee equipment suppliers in France and any of the main bee product sellers? Thanks, Steve. From gwinn@ma.ultranet.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:13 EDT 1999 Article: 18884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-232.s486.tnt2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com!user From: gwinn@ma.ultranet.com (Joe Gwinn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:10:57 -0400 Organization: Gwinn Instruments Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> X-Trace: 0W4dah+ppSmutE/xVAO0h40fyr2LfYntqFgaJJ20rzQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 23:10:46 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18884 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:115 sci.physics:391662 sci.optics:45034 In article <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com>, Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? Bees see ultrtaviolet as a color, but cannot see red. Flowers look very different to bees than to humans. Bees find the Sun by sensing the polarization of light from the sky, which works even under overcast conditions. > That's a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? Very badly, unless things were well designed for bee use. They use gravity in the dark, where up is towards the sun, when communicating the location of a new-found food source by dancing. If one puts a small lamp (which need not be polarized) in the hive, the bees will ignore gravity and treat the lamp as a sun reference. What isn't ovbious is if bees can fly in zero gravity. Joe Gwinn Ref: Dawkins, "A River Out Of Eden" From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:14 EDT 1999 Article: 18885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: This is what happened Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:51:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7l6d9i$25r0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930527346 71520 209.130.165.79 (27 Jun 1999 23:49:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 1999 23:49:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18885 A funny thing happened on the way to the office today... Actually as we pulled into our last beeyard of the day...we noticed a hive swarming. It has been hot and sunny the last two days but today was cooler and overcast. We have been supering gung-ho the last couple of days trying to keep ahead of the bees! When we finish supering the yard, we take the weed eater around each hive as the grass is sometimes 3 feet high in some places. Anyway, the hive which was swarming had already started to cluster on the top of a nearby tree. I suggested to my husband that we do the weed eating first...as I have tried the "banging the pie pan" trick to bring down a swarming hive. I think it works. I know bees are deaf but the vibrations in the air have an effect on them...so why not try the weed wacker noise to do this! It worked! The bees came back down to the hive that is just swarmed from! We guessed it could have been the weed wacker vibrations or since it was an overcast day they could have been on a trial run ;-) or that we worked the hive first and since they were given more immediate room and the queen had not yet exited...she decided not to go??? We destroyed the swarm cells...they should stay put but sometimes I wonder once they have it decided they are going to swarm--they will! Any thoughts? --Busybee From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The problem with fall feeding Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 00:00:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18886 I'm a first year beekeeper who doesn't quite understand the concept of fall feeding. Most of the books recommend it, indeed, talk about it as though it were mandatory to ensure the hive's survival. My hives have been collecting nectar and pollen all summer and all have filled at least 2 deep brood chambers completely with honey, except for the brood nest itself. Where are they supposed to store all that 2:1 medicated sugar syrup I'm supposed to feed them in the fall? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:15 EDT 1999 Article: 18887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:31:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7l6fja$jtk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930529706 20404 209.130.165.79 (28 Jun 1999 00:28:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 1999 00:28:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18887 You won't have to feed if you leave at LEAST 40 lbs. of honey and quite possibly more depending on where you live and if you plan on checking them in January to see that additional feed is not needed. It is easier to feed in the fall when it is warm enough and that they are not clustered in the hive trying to stay warm. Corn syrup is cheaper (yet, thank God but not by much-Yikes! now there is a scary realization) than the honey you leave for wintering feed. --Busybee JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >I'm a first year beekeeper who doesn't quite understand the concept of fall >feeding. Most of the books recommend it, indeed, talk about it as though it >were mandatory to ensure the hive's survival. >My hives have been collecting nectar and pollen all summer and all have filled >at least 2 deep brood chambers completely with honey, except for the brood nest >itself. Where are they supposed to store all that 2:1 medicated sugar syrup I'm >supposed to feed them in the fall? From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: This is what happened Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 01:20:36 GMT References: <7l6d9i$25r0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990627212036.01985.00005386@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18888 > >Any thoughts? > lots a times if they're gonna they will unless ya confuse the heck outa them, cut cells, move boxes gime em a lot a new foundation etc Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:16 EDT 1999 Article: 18889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 01:28:03 GMT References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990627212803.01985.00005390@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18889 >I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be torn >down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. > >I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: > >dcoulte@ibm.net > sure that would be fun, hehehehehee when ya wanna go after em ? 910-814-0540 ya gonna pay me or is this a charity affair ? if so how bout call the local tv station they love bee invasion, removal stories an my 8 yr old daughter/partner looks so cool in her bee suit !!!! seriously gimmie a hollar !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:17 EDT 1999 Article: 18890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:54:43 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7l6vfj$6ik$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.120 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930545971 6740 12.72.205.120 (28 Jun 1999 04:59:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 1999 04:59:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18890 Temper what you read with where you live. A large percentage of what is written about honey bees is from the northern states in the US. In the central valley of California, I leave whatever they have in 2 deeps. It only has to last from the beginning of October through the end of January. February 1 they all get a feeding of 1:1 to stimulate brood rearing. By the time they really start to build there are plenty of nectar sources. I have 3 "hard" dates: 1. Oct. 1 - all supers extracted, cleaned and Apistan applied 2. Thanksgiving day - roast turkey outside and remove Apistan 3. Feb. 1 - start stimulative feeding of 1:1 The end of Feb is not too soon to see some swarms if I have done a lousy job in the preceeding weeks. Supers go on by Mar 1. This leaves no window for a second application of Apistan. I have found the fall treatment is sufficient. I'm rambling. Advice......check with other beekeepers in our area. Local knowledge is invaluable. I think maybe we should do like Mr. Johnson and add our location to our sig lines. I'll do that now. -- Geo "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com... > I'm a first year beekeeper who doesn't quite understand the concept of fall > feeding. Most of the books recommend it, indeed, talk about it as though it > were mandatory to ensure the hive's survival. > My hives have been collecting nectar and pollen all summer and all have filled > at least 2 deep brood chambers completely with honey, except for the brood nest > itself. Where are they supposed to store all that 2:1 medicated sugar syrup I'm > supposed to feed them in the fall? From aircav@workforyou.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.93.67.47!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse2.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37771228.751917F2@workforyou.com> From: Luther Steel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.non.sequitur Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:07:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tampabay.rr.com X-Trace: newse2.tampabay.rr.com 930550079 24.92.206.58 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:07:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:07:59 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:116 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18891 alt.non.sequitur:58904 dcoulte@ibm.net wrote: > I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be torn > down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. > > I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: > > dcoulte@ibm.net But where is your shed? From gzooflup@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:18 EDT 1999 Article: 18892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange bee behaviour? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:20:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7l77nd$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3774D490.458478D7@summerfieldproductions.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 28 07:20:16 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18892 In article <3774D490.458478D7@summerfieldproductions.com>, John Summerfield wrote: [...] > Many times, I watched bees that were literally dragging other bees away > from the hive by a leg or two. They were really very determined, and > the "pullee" clearly did not want to leave the hive. Only one was a > baby bee, still with shriveled wings. The rest seemed to be normal > workers. When cast out they either fell into the grass or flew away; > about 50/50. I witnessed about a dozen displays of this in the 10 minute > period. > > Is this normal? Are the outcasts old, sick, dying bees (in some way > unhealthy) or are they robbers, or both? This is very puzzling. > > Also, another behavior equally puzzling to me. Many of the bees were > heads down at the entrance and looked to be scrubbing or polishing the > bottom board with their front feet. Just standing there making little > circles. Strange... > > Lastly, the front of the hive seems quite congested, is this normal? [...] Robbery comes as a possible explanation: bees dragged out, plenty of bees on the front are signs of it. Keep the hive entrance small. To be sure, wait until the night (when *no* bees are flying), open the hive and examine the front frame. If parts of the wax look eaten away, it's robbery. Do not open the hive when bees are flying until the situation has normalised for some time (like a week or so). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From graham_read@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:19 EDT 1999 Article: 18893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: graham_read@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: urban beekeeping Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:54:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7l79nh$b2h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jrdav$9h1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19990611131537.23075.00001981@ngol04.aol.com> <3772168B.1064DC20@worldnet.att.net> <3776979e.7067574@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.131.120.166 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 28 07:54:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.131.120.166 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18893 In general there are no specific UK laws (national or local bylaws) relating specifically to bee hive placement(as far as I know). One of our beekeepers had a problem with neighbours last year - bees drinking >from a garden pond. 'Creating a public nuisance' laws can be threatened by the local council, but usually they will usually first just have a quite word and ask that you move some or all hives to another location. Council Land, Allotments, National Trust land, National Parks, Country parks etc will often restrict bee hive numbers and location by issuing annual permits, or require some other type of written permission from the land owner. This is often coordinated via the local or county beekeeping association. Graham In article <3776979e.7067574@news.pavilion.net>, snewport@pavilion.co.uk wrote: > Just joining this discussion byt surely they would have to prove, > beyong all doubt that it was one of your bees? > > What are they going to do. Provide mug-shots? > > Does anybody know what the law is in the UK? > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jun 29 05:30:20 EDT 1999 Article: 18894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:25:29 GMT References: <7l7lil$17l2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628082529.21611.00004857@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18894 When I "take my losses in the fall" I go into winter with the weak colonies queen dispatched and the two deeps split and placed on two other hives. These other hives are usually my best and go through winter in three deeps. Come spring I make splits from all the 3 deep colonies. A lot less lugging is required and the bees keep the combs clean and moth free. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:21 EDT 1999 Article: 18895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:38:09 GMT References: <7l7lil$17l2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628083809.03511.00004754@ng69.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18895 I'm located in eastern Massachusetts -- northeast of the writers at Cornell University like Roger Morse (I believe Richard Taylor is also located somewhere in New York), and in the same state that Richard Bonney keeps bees. I don't remember if Taylor recommends fall feeding, but both Morse and Bonney do. So the question remains -- after I take off my supers, that leaves 2 deeps filled with honey, excepting the area where the brood nest is. Where are the bees going to store all that 2:1 sugar syrup? Will they just infill the brood nest area since the queen will be tapering off egg laying by then? jm, eastern Massachusetts From hamilton@pbssite.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!WCG!news.randori.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news3.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Message-ID: <37771bb8.226148218@news.usenetserver.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:53:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news3.usenetserver.com 930574627 207.91.44.54 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:57:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:57:07 EDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18896 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:117 sci.physics:391701 sci.optics:45045 I think the "bees in space" thing was done with the findings of irregular twisted comb being pulled. Maybe someone else has a reference on this. On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 04:18:57 GMT, Emmett Pisces wrote: >rick wrote: > >> These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. >> Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a >> sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows >> where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > > > Thats a good question. >Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? >How would they orient? > > >-- >Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face >one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel >catch the curve of your leather heel, before he >blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel > > From kredick@cnu.edu Tue Jun 29 05:30:22 EDT 1999 Article: 18897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Kip Redick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sea Shells Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:18:14 -0400 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37776806.59FEA99B@cnu.edu> References: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> <377314F9.E8D856A0@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18897 Now that you mention it, she did have a shawl and seemed to be feeling the ground for her contacts. As she left I heard her muttering under her breath, "I've got to get these dentures refitted." Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > Perhaps she was taking a calcium supplement to avoid having brittle > bones. Was this an older bee? > > Kip Redick wrote: > > > > My kids saw some of my bees on some sea shells we brought back from the > > outer banks of N.C. Yesterday my daughter yells that the bee is back! > > So I ran to the site and there was one of the little sisters on a clam > > shell. She was very interested something on that shell. Anybody know > > what is so attractive about sea shells? Was she listening to the sound > > of the waves? > > > > Kip > > From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:30:23 EDT 1999 Article: 18898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 13:03:44 GMT References: <37771228.751917F2@workforyou.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628090344.12510.00002742@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18898 dcoulte@ibm.net wrote: > I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be torn > down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. That rings warning bells. Healthy bees do NOT have honey oozing. Sick bees are not able to keep the honey dry in humid weather and it will ferment (and ooze). Often people will call the beekeeper AFTER they have tried to poison them, but couldn't kill the colony outright. I've had people deny this to me, but the evidence was that they did. So you have a question of the safety of eating the honey. 'Course they could also be heavily infested with mites..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:30:24 EDT 1999 Article: 18899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 13:10:24 GMT References: <7krtld$16es$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990628091024.27462.00002495@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18899 In article <7krtld$16es$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" writes: >To go through 800 deep supers (replace/set aside for further repair), >scrape, prime, paint and get them on the bees. We can cross "go through" off >the list and we have the supers are set out in tidy stacks ready for the >scraping process. Had a huge, hot fire going today and burned 100+ "wonder" >boxes (any box we "wonder how it is staying together is what we term a >wonder box). > >Last week we nailed together 200 new deeps and 2000 new frames with plastic >foundation...very nice...although we use great care when sending them >through the uncapper for the first time. They have a tendancy to be very >fragile until they can get get some wax build-up. > Call in Martha Stewart. She got the garden weeded by 9 am, re-sided her house by 11:30, finished supering her bees by 12, and is ready for more...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From ttgme@megalink.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37777009.A358CAB@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions about buying equipment References: <19990621120944.17745.00000230@ng-bg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:52:25 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.98 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 930575316 208.148.250.98 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:08:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:08:36 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18900 SPCherub wrote: > Hello All, > > I am new to beekeeping and have been doing alot of research on the > internet and by reading books. In pricing hives and equipment from various > suppliers, I have run across an extreme price discrepancy between most > suppliers and Dadant, the latter being 25% to almost 50% cheaper in most cases. > My question to all you veteran beekeepers out there is this: Is this a case of > Dadant having just that much more buying and thus selling power (kinda like > Walmart) or is this a case of Dadant's supplies being that much lower quality? > Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. > > R.T. I have found that Dadant's price advantage varies. For example, Dadant's electric uncapping knife is priced at $81.00 while you would be able to buy one >from Walter T. Kelley Co. for $55.00. Why the difference ?? Who knows ?? I have also been fortunate enough to live in an area of Maine where there is a man who keeps bees AND builds hive bodies and frames. I buy mine from him at a savings of approx. 50% off the Dadant price. Look around in your area to see if there are any carpenters/beekeepers who would also provide the same service for you. Also, I would suggest that you check several different beekeeping supply companies before making a specific purchase as some of them have better deals on specific equipment than others (as mentioned above). Good Luck !! From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:25 EDT 1999 Article: 18901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange bee behaviour? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:43:49 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Message-ID: <7l7coj$s69$2@epos.tesco.net> References: <3774D490.458478D7@summerfieldproductions.com> <7l77nd$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.29.20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18901 Hi John Be aware of the possibility of robbing, workers do not remove other workers unless they are not wanted, i.e. dead, sick of robbers. Reduce the entrance size to one that can easily be defended, i.e. a third of the hive width, and see how that changes it. I suspect you would then see more incoming workers being challenged and sent on their way. Keith From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solitary Bees in Grass Bank Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:38:09 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Message-ID: <7l7coi$s69$1@epos.tesco.net> References: <930434675@zbee.com> <7l6330$f93$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.29.20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18902 Hi Bill These bees are far more common than most people including beekeepers realise. They are of course one of the solitary bees and only live on the wing for a very short time. There is no way they can be moved this year, but they can be encouraged to nest elsewhere. I use bamboo canes and the prunings from my Himalayan Honeysuckle cut into 6" lengths and tied into bundles about the size of a bean tin, then fix these to the top of a fence. There are many of these solitary bees about, few last more than a couple of weeks on the wing. Over the last few years I have been observing them more and more closely and now have a small collection of pictures. Keith From h.rutt@ecs.soton.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 05:30:26 EDT 1999 Article: 18903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!spruce.sucs.soton.ac.uk!wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk!usenet From: Prof Harvey Rutt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:46:16 +0100 Organization: University of Southampton Message-ID: <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: harvey.ecs.soton.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18903 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:118 sci.physics:391725 sci.optics:45047 Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? Well this scientist was a bee keeper for about eighteen years.There is no doubt whatever that bees *can* see in the Ultraviolet, as can many other insects. The fact you do not get sunburnt on cloudy days is irrelevant; only a very low level of UV is needed. Try taking a photograph of many plain, unpatterned flowers with a UV filter over the lens; you will often see an obvious pattern of 'honey guides' leading to the nectary, similar to those seen in ordinary light for conventionally patterned flowers. I wonder why evolution provided those if nothing can see them?! On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch dances, which indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current position in the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates during the day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of polarisation of the light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter (tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? Incidentally bees also have a magnetic sensor. > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? I rather think something was tried on the shuttle, but I'm not certain.I rather think a 'big colony' would scare astronauts rigid! They will obviously have a rather more serious problem of finding 'up' & 'down'!! I cannot see how you could test other aspects easily, you need a lot of room!! - & maybe a beekeeper astronaut :-) I'll volunteer Harvey Rutt From Pieter.Kuiper@itn.hh.se Tue Jun 29 05:30:27 EDT 1999 Article: 18904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsa.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Pieter.Kuiper@itn.hh.se (Pieter Kuiper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:08:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.67.156.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsa.telia.net 930564498 195.67.156.217 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:08:18 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:08:18 CEST Organization: Telia Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18904 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:119 sci.physics:391728 sci.optics:45050 In article <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Prof Harvey Rutt wrote: > [Bees] locate the suns direction by means of the degree of polarisation of the > light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter > (tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? I think a large crystal of cordierite was found at a Viking archeological site. And here is a link: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/865.html -- Pieter.Kuiper@itn.hh.se http://www.hh.se/staff/piku/ From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:19:27 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <7l7lil$17l2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com> <7l6vfj$6ik$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-107.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930568597 40610 209.130.165.107 (28 Jun 1999 11:16:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 1999 11:16:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18905 Yes! Great advice - I should have mentioned that YMMV as I am posting advice for southern MN - and mine were conservative amounts for suggested feed or honey amounts to be left in the hive for wintering. --Busybee Southern MN George Styer wrote in message <7l6vfj$6ik$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >Temper what you read with where you live. A large percentage of what is >written about honey bees is from the northern states in the US. In the >central valley of California, I leave whatever they have in 2 deeps. It only >has to last from the beginning of October through the end of January. >February 1 they all get a feeding of 1:1 to stimulate brood rearing. By the >time they really start to build there are plenty of nectar sources. > >I have 3 "hard" dates: > >1. Oct. 1 - all supers extracted, cleaned and Apistan applied >2. Thanksgiving day - roast turkey outside and remove Apistan >3. Feb. 1 - start stimulative feeding of 1:1 > >The end of Feb is not too soon to see some swarms if I have done a lousy job >in the preceeding weeks. Supers go on by Mar 1. This leaves no window for a >second application of Apistan. I have found the fall treatment is >sufficient. > >I'm rambling. Advice......check with other beekeepers in our area. Local >knowledge is invaluable. > >I think maybe we should do like Mr. Johnson and add our location to our sig >lines. I'll do that now. > >-- >Geo >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > >JMitc1014 wrote in message >news:19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com... >> I'm a first year beekeeper who doesn't quite understand the concept of >fall >> feeding. Most of the books recommend it, indeed, talk about it as though >it >> were mandatory to ensure the hive's survival. >> My hives have been collecting nectar and pollen all summer and all have >filled >> at least 2 deep brood chambers completely with honey, except for the brood >nest >> itself. Where are they supposed to store all that 2:1 medicated sugar >syrup I'm >> supposed to feed them in the fall? > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jun 29 05:30:28 EDT 1999 Article: 18906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee navigation Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:22:09 GMT References: <37771bb8.226148218@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628112209.05625.00002455@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18906 >I think the "bees in space" thing was done with the findings of >irregular twisted comb being pulled. One does not need to leave the lithosphere to get twisted and irregular combs. Every year one or more hives will do that with new foundation all by their lonesome. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:29 EDT 1999 Article: 18907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.medicine,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-VENOM Date: Mon, 28 Jun 99 15:42:57 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <376f8921.11041746@news.paco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.112 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:40:00 GMT X-Trace: 930588000.269.46 KRFRRPH9I9870CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.medicine:53888 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18907 Hi, Somebody FINALLY found a use for AHB; now we'll finally be rid of them . 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Irina Nazarova From lauramleek@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:38:12 GMT References: <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628113812.23122.00006534@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18908 These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > where the sun is on a cloudy day?> The fact you do not get sunburnt on cloudy days is irrelevant; only a very >low >level of UV is needed. I believe the gentleman said you CAN get a sunburn on a cloudy day. Which is very true. From uticaman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: uticaman@aol.com (Uticaman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Problem in house Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 16:48:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628124857.17078.00004611@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18909 Bees have made a hive in the walls of my house, I have tried insecticide but cannot get to them. Is there any way to get them out short of tearing out the walls. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:03:17 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7l866t$1l0g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7krtld$16es$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990628091024.27462.00002495@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-20.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930585629 54288 209.130.165.20 (28 Jun 1999 16:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 1999 16:00:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18910 How does the woman do it? --Busybee Dave Green wrote in message <19990628091024.27462.00002495@ngol03.aol.com>... >In article <7krtld$16es$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" > writes: > >>To go through 800 deep supers (replace/set aside for further repair), >>scrape, prime, paint and get them on the bees. We can cross "go through" off >>the list and we have the supers are set out in tidy stacks ready for the >>scraping process. Had a huge, hot fire going today and burned 100+ "wonder" >>boxes (any box we "wonder how it is staying together is what we term a >>wonder box). >> >>Last week we nailed together 200 new deeps and 2000 new frames with plastic >>foundation...very nice...although we use great care when sending them >>through the uncapper for the first time. They have a tendancy to be very >>fragile until they can get get some wax build-up. >> > > Call in Martha Stewart. She got the garden weeded by 9 am, re-sided her >house by 11:30, finished supering her bees by 12, and is ready for more...... > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.optics,sci.physics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 99 15:42:42 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.112 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:39:53 GMT X-Trace: 930587993.539.66 KRFRRPH9I9870CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:120 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18911 sci.optics:45055 sci.physics:391752 Hi, OK - Now I have no problem with this beehive in space . But, they only range a little over a mile, so how are they going to reach the neighbor's roses, from your space hive . And, given that it's in space, NASA is going to have to design space suits for bees, and who's going to fit each bee with one of those custom made space suits ? And, how do you know that the bees are going to take proper care of these much-bucks space suits, when they're off gathering nectar on terra firma ? Reallllly, fellas, wouldn't you be better employed harnessing the bees to the space vehicles, and having them fly you where you're going ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 6/28/99 1:46AM, in message <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Prof Harvey Rutt wrote: Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? Well this scientist was a bee keeper for about eighteen years.There is no doubt whatever that bees *can* see in the Ultraviolet, as can many other insects. The fact you do not get sunburnt on cloudy days is irrelevant; only a very low level of UV is needed. Try taking a photograph of many plain, unpatterned flowers with a UV filter over the lens; you will often see an obvious pattern of 'honey guides' leading to the nectary, similar to those seen in ordinary light for conventionally patterned flowers. I wonder why evolution provided those if nothing can see them?! On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch dances, which indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current position in the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates during the day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of polarisation of the light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter (tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? Incidentally bees also have a magnetic sensor. > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? I rather think something was tried on the shuttle, but I'm not certain.I rather think a 'big colony' would scare astronauts rigid! They will obviously have a rather more serious problem of finding 'up' & 'down'!! I cannot see how you could test other aspects easily, you need a lot of room!! - & maybe a beekeeper astronaut :-) I'll volunteer Harvey Rutt From jesse.hunter@bms.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem in house Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:16 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3777BB78.2BFD90FD@bms.com> References: <19990628124857.17078.00004611@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18912 You bee-phobes need to learn not to spray first then ask questions later. Basically all you have managed to do is contaiminate the hive and honey with pesticide. Had you not done this, a apiculturist might have wanted to assist you for the rewared of the honey or bees. Can you just leave it alone, they are not hurting you or your house? Uticaman wrote: > Bees have made a hive in the walls of my house, I have tried insecticide but > cannot get to them. Is there any way to get them out short of tearing out the > walls. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jun 29 05:30:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem in house Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 19:04:25 GMT References: <19990628124857.17078.00004611@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628150425.05172.00001883@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18913 Spray first ask questions later? Screw You - you'rre on your own Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jun 29 05:30:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 19:03:23 GMT References: <7l866t$1l0g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18914 Methamphetamine and a paid staff of 130 Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From mansfield@ibd.nrc.ca Tue Jun 29 05:30:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!mansfield From: mansfield@ibd.nrc.ca (Jim Mansfield) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: 28 Jun 1999 20:05:31 GMT Organization: National Research Council Canada Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7l8kib$ogi$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeno.ibd.nrc.ca X-Trace: canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca 930600331 25106 192.70.172.132 (28 Jun 1999 20:05:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Postmaster@cc.umanitoba.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 1999 20:05:31 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18915 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:121 sci.physics:391771 sci.optics:45059 In article <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com>, Emmett Pisces wrote: >rick wrote: [snip bees and UV vision] > Thats a good question. >Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? >How would they orient? I'm just guessing here, but I would imagine that a bee put in space would orient in _all_ directions simultaneously, and probably at high velocities . Now, a colony of bees inside a space ship, that a different question ;-) -Jim who couldn't resist. -- Jim Mansfield Internet: Jim.Mansfield@nrc.ca National Research Council of Canada Phone: (204) 984-5191 Institute for Biodiagnostics Fax: (204) 984-5472 http://www.ibd.nrc.ca/~mansfield/ From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <23100-3777D921-67@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990628083809.03511.00004754@ng69.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRqJwhjEZXYHL5d2BlMfx5/rBoKygIUEKQTMKH84KzLgehOnVpMGUz8FEo= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18916 I live in Fl and I try and not do any feeding in the fall because they just fill up the brood nest and then you have a real mess in the spring. leave enough honey on the bees to winter on and it will solve a lot of problems. We leave a super of honey on and try to leave it there all year long. If you do not have a lot of hives and you have plenty of time you can feed in the fall and clean up your brood nest in the spring, but if not, do not feed. I think it pays with time saved when you have little of it It also will allow faster buildups when they have plenty of room in the spring. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No brood found Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <23104-3777DCD7-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <376f7706.59103203@news3.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ5ODUMNARG/cIUJ1ZY0bJN/ZkPsgIUSd9YK5qAPPK8HKWP1NWlmukMyJE= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18917 Steve and Dave; I do not know what Steve was looking at but I do not think it was a supercedure cell if you let it go for three weeks, there would not be any larva the rite age to make a queen cell out of. When you get a nuc check for brood and wait a week and check for eggs and then if there is no eggs order another queen. The person from where you bought the queen should let you have one. Dave most beekeepers do not try and make nucs draw any comb, your nuc will do a lot better if you keep them in one box and let them fill up that box befor adding another. It should be a real have to if you give them any foundation. From lsgouro1@tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.1.43!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse2.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Leo Sgouros" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <7l8kib$ogi$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Subject: Re: Bee navigation Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:59:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tampabay.rr.com X-Trace: newse2.tampabay.rr.com 930607187 24.92.206.58 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:59:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:59:47 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18918 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:122 sci.physics:391792 sci.optics:45060 Jim Mansfield wrote in message news:7l8kib$ogi$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca... > In article <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com>, > Emmett Pisces wrote: > >rick wrote: > > [snip bees and UV vision] > > > Thats a good question. > >Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > >How would they orient? > > I'm just guessing here, but I would imagine that a bee put > in space would orient in _all_ directions simultaneously, and probably > at high velocities . Now, a colony of bees inside a space ship, > that a different question ;-) > > -Jim > > who couldn't resist. > > > -- > Jim Mansfield Internet: Jim.Mansfield@nrc.ca > National Research Council of Canada Phone: (204) 984-5191 > Institute for Biodiagnostics Fax: (204) 984-5472 > http://www.ibd.nrc.ca/~mansfield/ Thats it then. We demand NASA take some bees up and see if we can learn something. _L_ From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem in house Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:51:19 GMT References: <19990628124857.17078.00004611@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628175119.19237.00002550@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18919 >Bees have made a hive in the walls of my house, I have tried insecticide but >cannot get to them. Is there any way to get them out short of tearing out >the >walls. No sir there is not, and you will find that you have created twice the mess and cost by spraying them !! Where are you ? I get 400.00 cash to remove a spray mess. Replacing the wall afterwards is extra. From gwinn@ma.ultranet.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-36.s544.tnt1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com!user From: gwinn@ma.ultranet.com (Joe Gwinn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:04:21 -0400 Organization: Gwinn Instruments Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Trace: L3J60gyOqzyCM/WWuHfYwUMm4mb+77JRR+M9BxK9G7A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 01:04:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18920 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:123 sci.physics:391814 sci.optics:45063 In article <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Prof Harvey Rutt wrote: > On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch dances, which > indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current position in > the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates during the > day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of polarisation of the > light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter > (tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? Yes, it's true. They used a mineral called "moonstone" (whatever that was), looking at the reflection of the sky. I have heard that it's Calcite, but don't really know. A sheet of ordinary window glass would work, as the reflection is polarized. Not that the Vikings had such glass. The issue was that Scandinavia is so close to the earth's north magnetic pole that compasses don't work all that well, especially in a pitching and rolling boat, and the weather is more often bad than good, so some other means was needed. This was explained to me many years ago by some Swedish friends, and I have also seen it in magazine articles since then. I think it may have been in Scientific American. However, it should be understood that Vikings were never observed to waggle-dance. Joe Gwinn From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jun 1999 01:49:15 GMT References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18921 I've forgotten which woman this thread was referring to. Do you mean Martha Stewart? From lsgouro1@tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!attmt2!ip.att.net!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse2.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Leo Sgouros" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <2zVd3.588$R5.18865@newse2.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:45:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tampabay.rr.com X-Trace: newse2.tampabay.rr.com 930620734 24.92.206.58 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:45:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:45:34 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18922 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:124 sci.physics:391819 sci.optics:45065 Joe Gwinn wrote in message news:gwinn-2806992104220001@207-172-102-36.s544.tnt1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com.. . > In article <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Prof Harvey Rutt > wrote: > > > On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch dances, which > > indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current > position in > > the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates during the > > day. Remind me to get my dance waggle run perfected, methinks I am going to knead it. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of > polarisation of the > > light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter > > (tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? > Do you realize that the very thought of this debate could destroy, oh, 4 groups at once. Need you an example? > Yes, it's true. They used a mineral called "moonstone" (whatever that > was), looking at the reflection of the sky. I have heard that it's > Calcite, but don't really know. A sheet of ordinary window glass would > work, as the reflection is polarized. Not that the Vikings had such > glass. > Just tell me how they got the moonstone to the egyptians, and you have a deal buddy! Everyone knows MOONDUST is a T@P Sekrit 'speriment. > The issue was that Scandinavia is so close to the earth's north magnetic > pole that compasses don't work all that well, especially in a pitching and > rolling boat, and the weather is more often bad than good, so some other > means was needed. > Change the pitches.Sometimes a pitcher or two helps. I understand the Vikings did like booze? I want to know about the maps. > This was explained to me many years ago by some Swedish friends, and I > have also seen it in magazine articles since then. I think it may have > been in Scientific American. However, it should be understood that > Vikings were never observed to waggle-dance. > > Joe Gwinn What does this have to do with maps? Or vikings? Or Bees? Lets see, if we take bees up it will be interesting if the drunken cratures will still know which side of the ship the earth is on without seeing any light 8^) From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:10:23 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7l99p3$1hd6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930622051 50598 209.130.165.75 (29 Jun 1999 02:07:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 02:07:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18923 Yes - she be the one :-) JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com>... >I've forgotten which woman this thread was referring to. Do you mean Martha >Stewart? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:14:01 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7l99vv$18pk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> <376EF34E.9DD88B8F@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930622271 41780 209.130.165.75 (29 Jun 1999 02:11:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 02:11:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18924 Yes they do - when a queen dies or is accidently killed the workers take another worker egg and place it in the cup. Roger Fain wrote in message <376EF34E.9DD88B8F@usit.net>... >That was my thought too, a laying worker. It seems like I read years ago, where >in a queenless colony workers can lay eggs and produce a queen. > >Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >> In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >> > >> >I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when >> >the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. >> > >> >> Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched >> out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. >> >> Adam >> -- >> Adam Finkelstein >> adamf@vt.edu >> http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf > > > From honey.road@sympatico.ca Tue Jun 29 05:30:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37783319.D0036026@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding References: <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:45:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.122 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 930624310 206.172.183.122 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:45:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:45:10 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18925 I answer this questions alot, as we have long cold winters here in northern Ontario. Basically, right now, thw bees are storing honey and pollen outside the brood area . In the fall, stimulated by the change in the nectar flow, (it is thicker and heavier, thats why you feed 2:1 in the fall), the queen slows down her egg laying, and the bees store honey in the empty cells of the brood nest. This will fill up, to the point of having frames of solid honey. Thats why you feed, so they have extra. Ofcourse the draw back is ( and I found this out this past winter), is it can go fement in the cells and go moldy, honey wont. Because of the cool, thet cant get the moisture down enough. Ofcourse to, if you queen isn't up to snuff, she will keep on laying in to cold, and eventually die out. Hope this helps. Allen B JMitc1014 wrote: > I'm a first year beekeeper who doesn't quite understand the concept of fall > feeding. Most of the books recommend it, indeed, talk about it as though it > were mandatory to ensure the hive's survival. > My hives have been collecting nectar and pollen all summer and all have filled > at least 2 deep brood chambers completely with honey, except for the brood nest > itself. Where are they supposed to store all that 2:1 medicated sugar syrup I'm > supposed to feed them in the fall? From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:32:48 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 99 Message-ID: <37783050.1F03B119@valley.net> References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> <7l5nvg$m1m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18926 George Styer wrote: > This has always puzzled me and I am not questioning your observation > (although I don't think you have a sufficient number of colonies to draw any > conclusions based on comparison); but......., How does a 3 deep result in > larger colonies? As long as there is sufficient room in 2 deep (i.e. not > plugged) how does a 3 deep result in a larger colony? You are still limited > by birth rate and death rate and there is an equalibrium which will be > reached. In other words, if a queen is laying at her capacity and not > constrained by lack of cells and a 3 deep has no effect on the death rate, > how does the math work to support this? I have heard this before about 3 > deeps but don't recall anyone ever explaining it in the context of > population dynamics, only in subjective terms. It seems to me that there > will be no difference in a well managed 2 deep and a well managed 3 deep. > Has anyone ever quantified this with field tests? > > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > greetings, all good points. first, you are absolutely right that my limited number of data points does not constitute a statistically valid basis for making broad generalizations. but, my comments were not only based on observation in my own apiary. in private emails i've had a number of conversations with other beekeepers on the subject. generally, the strongest support for 3 deeps has been among northern beekeepers. as others have pointed out, climatic region is important in these discussions. i live in new england, new hamsphire to be precise, and my winters are relatively long with snow on the ground from november to may. one of the beekeepers with whom i have a rumbaing correspondence stated that the u.s.d.a. routinely recommends 3 deeps for northern zones [e.g. northern new york state] for better over-wintering and earlier spring build-up. they also recommend that the boxes be reversed every 10 days or so, to be sure that the bees utilize the lower box. in my hives that doesn't seem to be a problem. unfortunately, i don't have those references, and a visit today to the u.s.d.a. website was frustratingly unfruitful.. but, i will continue to look for specific citations on the subject. i did go over to the gears bee research website for a looksee. no specific info on the subject, but i did run their beehive simulator under a number of conditions. i focused on starting colony size in january of 2500, 5000 and 10000 bees. at 150 days out, around the middle of june, which generally is spring flow time around here, the colony that started with 10,000 bees had more foragers, house bees and brood than colonies of the other smaller sizes. the same was true at 250 days, which, roughly, corresponds with the fall flow in my area. more bees will bring in more nectar and pollen, yielding better harvests and more winter stores. don't know the details of their simulation algorithms, so i can't speak to the validity of the runs, but it was interesting, none-the-less. as to why a 3 deep brood box hive would do better than a 2 deep brood box hive, i will hazard a guess, tempered as it is with my limited experience. i think that, as you point out, george, a 2 deep hive, when properly managed, will yield a population close to a 3 deep hive. but, even with supers on, the bees will put up honey in the deeps, limiting to some extent the queen's ability to lay eggs. my guess is that most [most, not all] 2 deeps don't really allow the queen enough space to lay at her true potential, and i think that is the crux of the issue. in three seasons, i've seen queens actively laying in all three boxes. and i don't mean a frame here or there. i mean across all the inner frames in 3 deeps, the whole cycle from eggs to capped brood. that's a lot of brood. frankly, i didn't think a queen could lay like that, despite the assurances of david eyre, the designer of my d.e. hives [who is out of ontario, btw], that she could. the first year my first 3 deep colony matured in late summer, it was actually a little scary, there were so many bees. in the fall the queens seem naturally to scale back to the bottom 2 boxes, and the bees fill the top deep with honey. the result is a very large colony going into the winter with a lot of stores, both to the sides of the brood area and on top with a full deep of honey. more bees over-winter and the colony kicks off quicker in the spring. again, my personal observation data is limited, but my 3 deep colony have had more bees in the spring, they were more active on cooler days, and the colony built up faster than the 2 deep hive. also, again from personal observation, i don't use a queen excluder and i've had the queen move up into a new super in a 2 deep hive, but i've never seen that happen with 3 deeps. evidence to me that she was having a tough time finding enough room to lay in the deeps, which did have a lot of honey in them [as well as brood]. again, this is limited data from my location in northern new england. 3 deeps might be a waste of resources or even counter-productive down south, where winter stores are less of an issue. for pollinators, who get paid by the hive, i doubt it would be cost effective, but that is certainly out of my bailiwick. i will continue to look for literature on the subject. in the meantime, i would be very interested to read input from others. joel, if you're out there, do you want to weigh in on this topic? bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jun 29 05:30:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem in house Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:27:54 GMT References: <19990628124857.17078.00004611@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990628232754.12466.00001397@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18927 From: uticaman@aol.com (Uticaman) >Bees have made a hive in the walls of my house, I have tried insecticide but >cannot get to them. Is there any way to get them out short of tearing out >the >walls. Now that you've poisoned these pollinators, you post on a bee bulletin board and expect beekeepers to help you out? Well I'll be nice enough to offer you free advice. You have created an absolute requirement that the wall be opened up -- pronto. While the bees are there working, storing honey, they take care of their provisions. Now you have weakened them, probably added poison to the honey. The bees are not going to be able to keep the honey from absorbing moisture during the humid summer. As it gains moisture, it will start to ferment, rupturing the cappings, and running down your walls. The mess will attract other vermin. Every bit of that poisoned honey must be removed and discarded in a way that will not cause other bees to get poisoned. The wall should be filled tightly with insulation and sealed back up, making sure there are no openings for robber bees or future swarms. An experienced beekeeper might have been able to drum or vacuum out the bees. The wall would still have to be opened, but there would not be the gross mess, so the damage would be in a smaller area. The bees and honey probably could have been salvaged. Only a rather foolish beginner would be willing to tackle this now, without charging you a hefty fee. I generally get $50 to $100 to remove bees (homeowners repair damage, but I try to keep it to a minimum). If the bees have been poisoned (and it is obvious when they have), the price goes up to $400 - $500. I won't tackle anything above the first floor. I'll leave that to the young beekeepers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French Beekeepers Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 03:40:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7l9f6v$4rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 29 03:40:16 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.52, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18928 snewport@pavilion.co.uk wrote: > Can anybody give me the address of any major bee equipment suppliers > in France and any of the main bee product sellers? Try Thomas Apiculture at the following web address: . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pakdad@mindspring.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A few general questions Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:37:59 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7l9bht$qjl$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0c.f7 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 02:37:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18929 Is it normal for many bees to conglomerate around the mouth of the hive during evening hours, or is this sign the bees are over crowded? When I got home (5:00PM) about 500 bees where flying in a circle around the front of the hive. I wondered if they were beginning to swarm, or just airing things out a little. Any ideas? Do bees swarm this late in the season (almost July)? Besides Apistan, are there any other recommended standard "treatments" for bees after the summer honey flow? I am located in Snellville GA. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French Beekeepers Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:11:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7l9h0h$5ck$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 29 04:11:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.52, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18930 snewport@pavilion.co.uk wrote: > Can anybody give me the address of any major bee equipment suppliers > in France and any of the main bee product sellers? You might also try Nid d'Abeilles at the following URL: . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:37:26 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> <19990626233131.17078.00004096@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:38:37 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18931 In article <19990626233131.17078.00004096@ng-cs1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > Why keep bees you ask? > > Because in return they keep us. > Nice. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:23:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990626234608.17078.00004101@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:25:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18932 In article <19990626234608.17078.00004101@ng-cs1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Ok guys heres the answer > > When using 2 brood chambers, sometimes you end up with brood above and below > usually one sided > If you move the brood down, usually you can eliminate honey cloging of the > lower box, put more bees at the entrance to discourage robbing and puts empty > frames right above the brood nest where they are more likely to be filled > instead of on the outer edges. > > ok ok i'll think of a better one next time > Kevin, is this to be done in the fall, as someone mentioned here, or is it an advisable practice at any time? When would it and when would it not be advisable? I have one hive with two brood boxes right now. Haven't put on the honeyh super yet, as the girls just went in in late April. I'm in Colorado. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:28:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> <7l5nvg$m1m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <37783050.1F03B119@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:30:05 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18933 In article <37783050.1F03B119@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: He wrote a very interesting post... I wonder if adding a third brood chamber would be advisable here in Colorado... I'm going to ask a local beekeeper... Also.. what's this hive simulator you're talking about? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange bee behaviour? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:31:00 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3774D490.458478D7@summerfieldproductions.com> <7l77nd$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:32:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18934 In article <7l77nd$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gzooflup@my-deja.com wrote: > Do not open the hive when bees are flying until the situation has > normalised for some time (like a week or so). > Why not? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:34:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37771bb8.226148218@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:35:17 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18935 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:125 sci.physics:391864 sci.optics:45067 In article <37771bb8.226148218@news.usenetserver.com>, hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: > I think the "bees in space" thing was done with the findings of > irregular twisted comb being pulled. Maybe someone else has a > reference on this. > Does everyone pull that stuff out when they find it? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:36:25 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <7l3s66$gog$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990626230313.05184.00000950@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:37:36 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18936 In article <19990626230313.05184.00000950@ng-bg1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > There was discussion on one of the gardening newsgreoups about a Martha Stewart > Lilac. > I asked what does it do -hire another shrub to bloom for it? > > > Tom > > ROTFL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:40:41 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:41:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18937 In article <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net>, Adam wrote: > I just stumbled though here and was kinda curious about bee keeping? Why > do it? Do you make any money from it, or you you just do it as a hobby? > I think it is really neat and would do it myself, only it seems like a > high maintenance hobby. Is this true? Adam: I'm a professional photographer who spends a good fair amount of time on the road. I have one hive in our backyard, and, so far, I've had good luck keeping them, and have put in a fair, but not excessive, amount of time with them. I may run into trouble over the winter, or even before the summer's out, but I'm having a helluva good time with the "girls". > I saw a Martha Stewart show and > her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping > stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on > it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From > reading these posts I would say that's not true. > Martha is a dumb wench. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 29 05:30:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-67.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:41:40 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> <19990627212803.01985.00005390@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.43 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 03:42:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18938 In article <19990627212803.01985.00005390@ng-cc1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be torn > >down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. > > > >I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: > > > >dcoulte@ibm.net > > > sure that would be fun, hehehehehee > when ya wanna go after em ? > 910-814-0540 > ya gonna pay me or is this a charity affair ? > if so how bout call the local tv station they love bee invasion, removal > stories an my 8 yr old daughter/partner looks so cool in her bee suit !!!! > > seriously gimmie a hollar !! > You da man... I swear I'm coming to see you next time I'm in NC! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Tue Jun 29 05:30:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:17:30 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 2 Message-ID: <01bec1e7$59ca7840$edd32dc7@spike> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.141.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:17:30 GMT X-Trace: 930629850.695.7 ZGM1HNE6N8D35C72DC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18939 Thanks to everybody for your help! From peter.bussell@sympatico.ca Tue Jun 29 05:30:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> From: Peter Bussell Reply-To: peter.bussell@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: boiled honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:31:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.61.113.168 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 930630696 207.61.113.168 (Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:31:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:31:36 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18940 I followed a suggestion to liquify about 200lbs of honey in an old dead freezer with a couple of 60watt light bulbs. I was able to more than melt it all. The honey was in 10lb plastic buckets that were melted or deformed. The result is an incredible mess. The honey is black. Can it be fed back to the bees? If not, what is the best way of disposing of it? I live in the country and do not want to put it into my septic system. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Monitoring might be worth the effort!!! Thanks Peter B. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:30 EDT 1999 Article: 18941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-232.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:24 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.e8 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 05:01:36 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18941 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:126 sci.physics:391873 sci.optics:45069 In article <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Prof Harvey Rutt wrote: >I rather > think a 'big colony' would scare astronauts rigid! Mebbe those wimpy British astronauts, but not our AMERICUNDAMMIT astronauts! "Houston, we have a problem..." 'nuff said. ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:31 EDT 1999 Article: 18942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-232.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:02:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.e8 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 1999 05:03:42 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18942 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:127 sci.physics:391876 sci.optics:45070 In article , gwinn@ma.ultranet.com (Joe Gwinn) wrote: > However, it should be understood that > Vikings were never observed to waggle-dance. > I dated this blonde for a while... she claimed Scandinavian descent... and did one HELLUVA waggle dance. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From ivaspneshc@wanadou.fr Thu Jul 1 14:57:32 EDT 1999 Article: 18943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "yaka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French Beekeepers Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:45:24 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7l9mgb$hmd$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntcfd9-165.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 930635083 18125 164.138.219.165 (29 Jun 1999 05:44:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 05:44:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18943 If you are interest for products very interest site - all on apitherapy base - propolis, honey, royal jely and pollen LABORATORIES APIPHYT' http://www.apiphyt.com Steve Newport a écrit dans le message <3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net>... >Can anybody give me the address of any major bee equipment suppliers >in France and any of the main bee product sellers? > >Thanks, Steve. From mica@thegrid.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:33 EDT 1999 Article: 18944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.non.sequitur Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net> References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> <37771228.751917F2@workforyou.com> Organization: Helping Hand Acceptance Corp. X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 (unregistered for 405 days) Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:37:23 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.45.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 930637602 209.162.45.116 (Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:26:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:26:42 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:128 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18944 alt.non.sequitur:58967 Luther Steel wrote: > dcoulte@ibm.net wrote: > > > I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be > > torn down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. > > > > I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: > > > > dcoulte@ibm.net > > But where is your shed? i think it's a metaphor From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 1 14:57:34 EDT 1999 Article: 18945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:11:14 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-174.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front6m.grolier.fr 930604387 20656 195.36.177.174 (28 Jun 1999 21:13:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:13:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 136 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18945 Bonjour, Well, I just want to add one old-world trick for item 1) : Use a cheese-wire ;-)). You have to pry the upper box a little and put two wedges to keep it uplifted. Then take a steel wire (like used to strengthen wax foundations) with two wooden grips and pass it through between the boxes. About one night later, bees will have repaired the mess and you should be able to remove the super without too much problem of honey flow. About Apistan strips still inside the hive do not worry too much : I red a study showing that after two or three month almost all the fluvalinate had gone away the strip. This was a reason to never reuse used strips as many beekeeper were used to. In addition, fluvalinate is poorly soluble into water thus into honey. apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Spike Psarris a écrit dans le message : 01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike... > Hello all, > More "practical" questions (and thanks to all those who have helped me to > this point). First, my situation. I purchased 3 hives from a local > beekeeper (1 deep and 1 medium per). He told me when I picked them up (3 > weeks or so ago) that each of the deeps had an Apistan strip in them. > (He's at a more northern climate than I am, so his flow starts later.) > I knew that I had to get the strips out as soon as possible, but > unfortunately, I'm in the midst of moving, and was unable to get down to > the property where the hives are until yesterday. The flow is strong (lots > of yellow clover) and I'm pretty sure I need to super, but obviously the > strips are still in there. My current plan is to super anyway and set the > resulting honey aside for winter feed, marked as not for human consumption. > But I know I need to get them out immediately (and I know the directions > say to pull them out before the flow starts, but this was unavoidable). > Here's my problem. I opened the first hive yesterday to get the strip out > - it was a perfect day (mid 90's), and the foragers were out having a ball. > The cover came off easy enough, but I ran into a problem trying to pry the > two boxes apart. I soon figured out that one or more of the bottom frames > was "glued" (burred or propolis, don't know which) to the top box, and as I > was pulling on the top box, the bottom frames were sliding up and down with > it. You can imagine the bees didn't care for this very much, but the seals > finally broke and the top box came off. I set it aside. > At this point I'm staring down into a bottom box overflowing with bees, > and feeling totally out of my league. I couldn't see the Apistan strip > anywhere. Nor was I willing to start pulling frames to look - I had > already crushed several bees when prying the boxes apart, plus whatever > damage I had done when the bottom frame(s) were sliding up and down. And > the bees were agitated, which means I was agitated... Figuring that I had > already done enough damage for the day (and after staring into the box for > a while out of fascination), I put it all together again and left them > alone to settle down. > So here are my questions: > > 1) I called the beekeeper afterwards and he explained that I should have > pried the boxes apart from the short sides, prying downwards to press the > bottom frames down and thus separate them from the upper box. (I felt > really stupid when he explained this.) Are there any other "tricks" like > this to manipulating the boxes? > > 2) He also said that there was a good chance that the Apistan strip had > fallen down between the frames. I've seen the strips, but never in this > context (in the midst of a hive) - can I assume that the strip would be > visible if it had not fallen down? > > 3) ...and if it had fallen down, would it likely be between the frames or > laying on the bottom board? > > 4) ...and if on the bottom board, what would be the easiest way to get to > it? To take the bottom box off the board, do I have to worry about frames > being attached to the board, or other "gotchas" like this? How do the bees > react to having the main box suddenly removed off the board (albeit > temporarily)? > > 5) Finally, while staring down into the main brood chamber, I saw several > queen cells (I think). A couple were between the frames, and I couldn't > see them very well. One was on top of a frame however. That one wasn't > capped. My initial concern was that these were swarming preparations, > except that the queen is only 9 months old, and the top brood chamber had > nowhere near the density of bees that the bottom chamber did, so I figure > they still have room (?). I remember "queen cups" being contrasted with > queen cells in some of my books, but unfortunately they're all packed and > won't be available for a little while. Could somebody help me here? > > Thanks > > Spike > -- > remove spamfree to reply From lsgouro1@tampabay.rr.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.93.67.47!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!newse3.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Leo Sgouros" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.non.sequitur References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> <37771228.751917F2@workforyou.com> <1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net> Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:38:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.206.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newse3.tampabay.rr.com 930641938 24.92.206.58 (Tue, 29 Jun 1999 03:38:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 03:38:58 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:129 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18946 alt.non.sequitur:58983 The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message news:1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net... > Luther Steel wrote: > > > dcoulte@ibm.net wrote: > > > > > I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be > > > torn down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. > > > > > > I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: > > > > > > dcoulte@ibm.net > > > > But where is your shed? > > i think it's a metaphor so thats "when I'm tore down, almost level with the ...FILL IN THE BLANK??/?//??/// From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:35 EDT 1999 Article: 18947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange bee behaviour? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:22:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7l9s8c$9gj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3774D490.458478D7@summerfieldproductions.com> <7l77nd$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 29 07:22:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18947 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > In article <7l77nd$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gzooflup@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Do not open the hive when bees are flying until the situation has > > normalised for some time (like a week or so). > > > > Why not? > If the hive is robbed and you open it, robbers will be able to get in massively. Further, I would suggest to wait a few days after the situation has settled down, because there is danger to restart the robbery if you open the hive. Better safe than sorry. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From h.rutt@ecs.soton.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:36 EDT 1999 Article: 18948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!spruce.sucs.soton.ac.uk!wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk!usenet From: Prof Harvey Rutt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:39:25 +0100 Organization: University of Southampton Message-ID: <3778863C.A2B5BD30@ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: harvey.ecs.soton.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18948 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:130 sci.physics:391892 sci.optics:45071 Joe Gwinn wrote: > In article <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Prof Harvey Rutt > wrote: > > > On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch dances, which > > indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current > position in > > the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates during the > > day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of > polarisation of the > > light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter > > (tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? The version I heard was in transmission, which wd indicate a dichroic material such a tourmaline. No real reason to use calcite in reflection; its strongly birefringent of course, unless they had learnt to make Nicol prisms etc rather early! On the other hand it does cleave easily to a flat surface, perhaps they just used that property, but its very soft & easy to damage. >The issue was that Scandinavia is so close to the earth's north magnetic >pole that compasses don't work all that well, especially in a pitching and >rolling boat, and the weather is more often bad than good, so some other >means was needed. Even a 50N in a light aircraft, which I fly, acceleration & yaw errors are severe on a magnetic compass & during a turn etc use of the gyro is vital. So these are familiar to me! >This was explained to me many years ago by some Swedish friends, and I >have also seen it in magazine articles since then. I think it may have >been in Scientific American. However, it should be understood that >Vikings were never observed to waggle-dance. Joe Gwinn The dancing habits of Vikings are unknown to me :-) I support as an alternative to a dichroic they cd have carried an observation hive & watched the waggles, but I guess the bees wd be rather ****ed off with the lack of nectar in the N Atlantic :-) Harvey Rutt From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:37 EDT 1999 Article: 18949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:19:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7la9ve$1eis$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930655022 47708 209.130.165.98 (29 Jun 1999 11:17:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 11:17:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18949 apipop wrote in message <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr>... >About Apistan strips still inside the hive do not worry too much : I >red a study showing that after two or three month almost all the >fluvalinate had gone away the strip. This was a reason to never reuse >used strips as many beekeeper were used to. In addition, fluvalinate >is >poorly soluble into water thus into honey. > >apipop >WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° Apistan strips should be pulled from the hives a good three weeks before the honey flow - they should NOT be left in the hive. Fluvalinate contaminates the wax which could in turn contaminate your honey. Please use these strips as intended! It is a violation of federal law to misuse this chemical and reusing these strips only perpetuates resistance to the mite problem. > > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:38 EDT 1999 Article: 18950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A few general questions Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jun 1999 11:34:30 GMT References: <7l9bht$qjl$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990629073430.11261.00007228@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18950 Airing it out probably at this time of year. I have 2 hives and a bait hive with a lure in it at one location. When one of the hives swarmed earlier this year, there were lots of scouts checking out the bait hive lure. Now, my other hive at that location is behaving similarly to yours, lots of bees hanging around the entrance and the sides. But I've noticed there are absolutely no scouts checking out the nearby bait hive with pheremone lure. I figure that's a sign, along with the fact that they are still collecting nectar like crazy) they're not looking for a new home. I have read somewhere that 20% of bee swarms come late in summer, so it's not outside the realm of possibility. As far as treatments, check out the Penn state survey of the mite epidemic that killed so many bee colonies in the winter of 1995 and spring of 1996. http://www.psu.edu/dept/beehive/R-hbd/Beesurvey.html The survey seems to show that beekeepers who aggressively treated their bees with multiple legal substances faired substantially better than those who left their hives untreated. Read it for yourself. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:39 EDT 1999 Article: 18951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minnesota State Fair Honey Exhibit Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:45:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7labeu$m9u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930656542 22846 209.130.165.98 (29 Jun 1999 11:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 11:42:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18951 Here is an incident that has bothered me for almost a year now in the fact that I was caught off-guard and didn't know how to answer at the time: Last summer, I was asked to help at the MN State Fair Honey Exhibit, which I gladly obliged...even though it meant taking a precious day away from extracting. It is a long but enjoyable day and well worth the reward knowing you have helped kids and adults alike see first hand the fascinating world of the honeybee. You would not believe how much more the kids know than their parents! with a little chuckle Some people have very good questions then you get ones like this... I usually stand by an observation hive with a drone bee crawling on my hand...which usually is a great ice breaker and starts the questions flowing. In this one particular group of people a lady had been standing in the back slurping a two liter size (well almost) State Fair pop, when she piped up and asked "why is honey so expensive?" At first, I looked at her dumbfounded and not saying anything...she was backing toward the door, pointing her finger at me and said "just think about it" and slipped out the door.... This has bothered me ever since... Is it me or do I have any other beekeepers who can share a little sympathetic understanding? Thinking of it now, tears me apart...especially since I could not answer. I could have said "compared to what?" I sure didn't want to start an argument but when she had that huge soda pop cup in hand which must have cost her a good $3.50" Jeez, some people... --Busybee From hutchiso@ccp.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting question Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup2-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:12:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 930657965 207.193.195.8 (Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:06:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:06:05 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18952 I am getting ready to extract for the first time, and questioned how to clean up the extractor afterward. A friend that is a long time beekeeper suggested leaving the coating of honey on the inside of the extractor and that it protected it from dirt and corrosion and washed out easily for the next use. Does this sound like what I should do to the rest of you? From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:40 EDT 1999 Article: 18953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:05:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 29 14:05:41 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18953 In article , David Gladstone wrote: > The simple answer is YES bees do move eggs. > The following is paraphrased from Ted Hooper - A guide to Bees and Honey > Blandford Press 1985 > > "As it is very unlikely that there will already be queen cups..... the > bees make emergency type queen cells. The bees commence by adding royal > jelly to selected worker larvae until they are floated to the mouth of > the cell. By this time the bees have had time to build a bespoke cell. > Provided the larvae is less than 36 hours old, it will form a > satisfactory queen. Older larvae may result in smaller or weaker > queens." > [...] To me, it seems that the text you cite does not mean that workers move eggs, but rather that they can transform a worker cell into a queen cell (which I have seen done many times). It is actually very unlikely that workers move eggs. If they were able to, they would not transform a worker cell into a queen cell and probably they would also move eggs around more routinely, e.g. to make the nest more compact. How would they move the egg and attach it back anyway? Especially if it means walking through a whole supper full of honey comb. The laying worker is the most likely explanation. We have no way to know how many of those there are in a normal hive, actually. Come to think of it, maybe all of the drone brood is layed by workers. That would explain how the queen can choose between fecundated and unfecundated eggs. Are there studies that show that the queen lays the drone brood? 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From lithar@midwest.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:41 EDT 1999 Article: 18954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:05:23 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3778E0B3.3B1A@midwest.net> References: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.148 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:41:27 GMT X-Trace: 930667287.088.85 JF3D7GB4M0494D1F8C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18954 Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote: > > I am getting ready to extract for the first time, and questioned how to > clean up the extractor afterward. A friend that is a long time beekeeper > suggested leaving the coating of honey on the inside of the extractor and > that it protected it from dirt and corrosion and washed out easily for the > next use. Does this sound like what I should do to the rest of you? IMHO, everything that the honey contacts should be clean to start with and clean when finished. Leaving a "coating" of honey to prevent corrosion just sounds like an excuse for being lazy - besides, your extractor is probably stainless steel or maybe plastic, corrosion??? As far as protecting it from dirt, if there is dirt present, a coating of honey will give it a place to stick. How 'bout some warm water with a bit of Dawn followed by a thorough rinse & towel dry? Just prior to the next use, a quick rinse would have it ready to go. AL From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Jul 1 14:57:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen replacement Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:04:18 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18955 If workers will raise there own queen they detect a queen is missing/dead, what is the advantage of introducing a queen from an external source? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:42 EDT 1999 Article: 18956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:11:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Message-ID: <7lar2u$m94$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930672542 22820 209.130.165.34 (29 Jun 1999 16:09:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 16:09:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18956 Because queens left to raise their own will (IMO) not be as good of queens and they will become more ornery. We replace every queen each year in our business. Strong healthy queens = strong healthy colonies. It is a must...then comes the benefit of gentler bees. --Busybee Mark Veltman wrote in message <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca>... >If workers will raise there own queen they detect a queen is missing/dead, >what is the advantage of introducing a queen from an external source? > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:14:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7lar73$lia$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930672675 22090 209.130.165.34 (29 Jun 1999 16:11:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 16:11:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18957 That's what we do too...best wishes for your extracting pleasure :-) --Busybee Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com>... >I am getting ready to extract for the first time, and questioned how to >clean up the extractor afterward. A friend that is a long time beekeeper >suggested leaving the coating of honey on the inside of the extractor and >that it protected it from dirt and corrosion and washed out easily for the >next use. Does this sound like what I should do to the rest of you? > > From hd.wolpert@trw.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:43 EDT 1999 Article: 18958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!news2.trw.com!cronkite.sp.trw.com!news From: Don Wolpert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:04:45 -0700 Organization: TRW, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3778EE9C.5A4524E7@trw.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dwolpert.sp.trw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Emmett Pisces Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18958 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:131 sci.physics:391939 sci.optics:45079 The honey bee does have UV response as does other insects. Many flowers have high UV reflectivity making some flowers stand out like beacons in the UV so that bees and some birds can easily distinguish them from the cluttered background. Some spider webs also have high UV reflectance for collision avoidance. The honey bee as well as others (green sea turtle, black dessert ant, for examp.) can detect polarization of the day sky and use this for navigation. Navigation by insects and animals is usually a combination of inputs. Solar position, polarization of the sky, natural land marks, stellar (night flyers), magnetic, etc. Not all necessarily have the same detection systems. Don Wolpert hd.wolpert@trw.com Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? > > -- > Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face > one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel > catch the curve of your leather heel, before he > blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From hd.wolpert@trw.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:44 EDT 1999 Article: 18959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!news2.trw.com!cronkite.sp.trw.com!news From: Don Wolpert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:07:44 -0700 Organization: TRW, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3778EF50.B640CFE8@trw.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dwolpert.sp.trw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18959 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:132 sci.physics:391942 sci.optics:45081 The honey bee does have UV response as does other insects. Many flowers have high UV reflectivity making some flowers stand out like beacons in the UV so that bees and some birds can easily distinguish them from the cluttered background. Some spider webs also have high UV reflectance for collision avoidance. The honey bee as well as others (green sea turtle, black dessert ant, for examp.) can detect polarization of the day sky and use this for navigation. Navigation by insects and animals is usually a combination of inputs. Solar position, polarization of the sky, natural land marks, stellar (night flyers), magnetic, etc. Not all necessarily have the same detection systems. Don Wolpert hd.wolpert@trw.com Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? > > -- > Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face > one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel > catch the curve of your leather heel, before he > blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From hd.wolpert@trw.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!news2.trw.com!cronkite.sp.trw.com!news From: Don Wolpert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:06:56 -0700 Organization: TRW, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3778EF20.DB51AF2D@trw.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dwolpert.sp.trw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Emmett Pisces Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18960 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:133 sci.physics:391943 sci.optics:45082 The honey bee does have UV response as does other insects. Many flowers have high UV reflectivity making some flowers stand out like beacons in the UV so that bees and some birds can easily distinguish them from the cluttered background. Some spider webs also have high UV reflectance for collision avoidance. The honey bee as well as others (green sea turtle, black dessert ant, for examp.) can detect polarization of the day sky and use this for navigation. Navigation by insects and animals is usually a combination of inputs. Solar position, polarization of the sky, natural land marks, stellar (night flyers), magnetic, etc. Not all necessarily have the same detection systems. Don Wolpert hd.wolpert@trw.com Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? > > -- > Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face > one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel > catch the curve of your leather heel, before he > blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From hd.wolpert@trw.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:45 EDT 1999 Article: 18961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!news2.trw.com!cronkite.sp.trw.com!news From: Don Wolpert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:05:16 -0700 Organization: TRW, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3778EEBB.95C66491@trw.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dwolpert.sp.trw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Emmett Pisces Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18961 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:134 sci.physics:391944 sci.optics:45083 The honey bee does have UV response as does other insects. Many flowers have high UV reflectivity making some flowers stand out like beacons in the UV so that bees and some birds can easily distinguish them from the cluttered background. Some spider webs also have high UV reflectance for collision avoidance. The honey bee as well as others (green sea turtle, black dessert ant, for examp.) can detect polarization of the day sky and use this for navigation. Navigation by insects and animals is usually a combination of inputs. Solar position, polarization of the sky, natural land marks, stellar (night flyers), magnetic, etc. Not all necessarily have the same detection systems. Don Wolpert hd.wolpert@trw.com Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? > > -- > Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face > one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel > catch the curve of your leather heel, before he > blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From hd.wolpert@trw.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:46 EDT 1999 Article: 18962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!news2.trw.com!cronkite.sp.trw.com!news From: Don Wolpert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:05:04 -0700 Organization: TRW, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3778EEAF.7754FE03@trw.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dwolpert.sp.trw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Emmett Pisces Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18962 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:135 sci.physics:391945 sci.optics:45084 The honey bee does have UV response as does other insects. Many flowers have high UV reflectivity making some flowers stand out like beacons in the UV so that bees and some birds can easily distinguish them from the cluttered background. Some spider webs also have high UV reflectance for collision avoidance. The honey bee as well as others (green sea turtle, black dessert ant, for examp.) can detect polarization of the day sky and use this for navigation. Navigation by insects and animals is usually a combination of inputs. Solar position, polarization of the sky, natural land marks, stellar (night flyers), magnetic, etc. Not all necessarily have the same detection systems. Don Wolpert hd.wolpert@trw.com Emmett Pisces wrote: > rick wrote: > > > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. > > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a > > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows > > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > Thats a good question. > Does anyone know what would happen if you had a big colony of bees in space? > How would they orient? > > -- > Miss Emma Peel, black boots kick on his face > one last look at the grace, of Miss Emma Peel > catch the curve of your leather heel, before he > blacks out, thats another one down for Miss Emma Peel From bobpursley@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:57:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jun 1999 16:23:01 GMT References: <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990629122301.06755.00002115@ngol06.aol.com> Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18963 In article <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca>, Mark Veltman writes: > >If workers will raise there own queen they detect a queen is missing/dead, >what is the advantage of introducing a queen from an external source? > > > > 1) you avoid the hazards of queenrearing, and secondly, the you avoid the absence of brood for a month. 2) you get a bred queen. (a bird in hand is worth ....) 3) you incresase the diversity of your apiary genetics 4) I have found that queenless bees are suseptable to the wax moth, somehow they just dont defense very well. Perhaps others do not have this problem, but anyway, a full colony queenless is a lot of risk for me. From Hayfevr@banet.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:47 EDT 1999 Article: 18964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3778FA6D.79D22323@banet.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:55:10 -0400 From: Hayfevr@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supersedure or swarm cell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.247.132 X-Trace: 29 Jun 1999 16:54:12 GMT, 166.72.247.132 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 38 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!166.72.247.132 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18964 Hello Everyone, The other day I found a queen cup in the grass outside one of my hives so I thought it would be good to go in for a look to see what's going on. Inside there were another three or four cups and one queen cell with jelly and a larva located on the bottom bar of the frame. There is lots of uncapped brood, normal foraging behavior and the hive doesn't seem to be overcrowded. This hive after a slower start as compared to the other nuc installed at the same time this past spring is now the strongest evident by the larger amount of bees and faster sugar syrup consumption. They are now finishing drawing out the last frames in the second deep from foundation and have started on the first honey super. My feeling is that this queen is doing just fine and the bees are very gentle to work so not wanting what looks to me like a perfectly good queen to be superseded or swarmed I scraped the cell. My questions are : 1.) Did I do the right thing by removing the cell and if I see more cells in the future what should I do? 2.) What's going on here supersedure or a first year swarm cell? Only a few cups and one cell with a larva tends to indicate supersedure right? But they were all on the bottom of the frame, indicating a swam cell. I'm confused. Approximately a month ago before they really got rolling on the second deep the first deep was full of capped brood. Now there is nowhere near that amount capped however there is lots of uncapped brood. Seems they all emerged around the same time and the queen laid in those empty cells then I go in and see them as brood almost ready to be capped. With all the brood I just don't understand the reason for the queen cell. I'm in Massachusetts Thank You for your time. All comments are appreciated. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Jul 1 14:57:48 EDT 1999 Article: 18965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting question Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:48:14 GMT References: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990629134814.19241.00002506@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18965 From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" >suggested leaving the coating of honey on the inside of the extractor and >that it protected it from dirt and corrosion and washed out easily for the >next use. Does this sound like what I should do to the rest of you? That's what most commercial beekeepers do. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From tenmoku@webtv.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3454-377919C5-49@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRnAYHfMGxNWbsQ17xtBSS6M0PWXQIUe0174GDd06xBCp+o5hyQEEBjerM= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18966 Bill, does a 3 deep colony outperform a 2 deep? From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:49 EDT 1999 Article: 18967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: boiled honey Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:23:44 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lba00$c4t$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.115 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930687808 12445 12.72.42.115 (29 Jun 1999 20:23:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 20:23:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18967 The animals at the local zoo probably won't mind that it has been cooked. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Peter Bussell wrote in message news:37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca... > I followed a suggestion to liquify about 200lbs of honey in an old dead > freezer with a couple of 60watt light bulbs. I was able to more than > melt it all. The honey was in 10lb plastic buckets that were melted or > deformed. The result is an incredible mess. The honey is black. Can it > be fed back to the bees? If not, what is the best way of disposing of > it? I live in the country and do not want to put it into my septic > system. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Monitoring might be worth the effort!!! > Thanks Peter B. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:50 EDT 1999 Article: 18968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oil for varroa treatment Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7lbdgq$ol9$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7l1l2l$m58$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990626074609.12508.00001983@ng-fy1.aol.com> <3775A58E.3EC79C93@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930691418 25257 62.136.12.68 (29 Jun 1999 21:23:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:23:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18968 According to Sammataro & Needham (1996) the oil in a grease patty (what odd things people put in hives!) does not kill acarapis woodi directly, but changes the attractiveness of the host making it unrecognisable by the mite. I know of no one in this country now treating for acarine (is there anyone out there) and we seem to have bees that have become resistant. When I first started keeping bees I used to dissect samples regularly looking for mites - but I certainly would not do it now for disease control purposes. Acarine is simply no longer a problem. Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3775A58E.3EC79C93@valley.net>... >JMitc1014 wrote: > >> Actually no, it was not a treatment for tracheal mites. It was about oil >> treatment for varroa (see below). And "food-grade mineral oil" is not a >> petroleum product; otherwise, it wouldn't be "food grade." >> That prompts another question -- what is it about grease patties that would >> help cure tracheal mites? Is it the grease that troubles the mites or is the >> patty just a delivery vehicle for the treatment (like if you added mint oil >> extract to the patty for instance)? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:55:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7lbdgo$ol9$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <377025D6.F04668E9@ozemail.com.au> <19990622223211.25919.00002786@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930691416 25257 62.136.12.68 (29 Jun 1999 21:23:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:23:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18969 Two points: 1. AFB spores would be have to be present ON the wax or the woodenware to cause infection. Foundation made from rendered down comb from infected colonies does not cause AFB; it seems that the act of melting the wax seals the spores so that they are no longer able to cause disease. 2. Hansen and Brodgaard found that different decontamination methods give varying results: Scorching with a blowtorch Scrubbing with stiff pads and hot soapy water High pressure flushing with cold water 1% solution Virkon S all gave 80% reduction in spores Sterilisation with steam, plus immersing in boiling lye follwed by high pressure flushing with cold water gave 99.997% reduction. However, colonies placed in the hives treated by the first four methods did not subsequently develop AFB - demonstrating that a reduction of spores by 80% is sufficient for practical purposes. Dipping in hot paraffin wax at 150 - 160 degrees gives good results (and preserves your hives for many years - without painting!). Fumigation with ethylene oxide kills AFB spores (but the is very toxic to humans). Use of gamma radiation kills all spores. (I have used this method and found it to be relatively inexpensive - but you need to have a facility fairly near; the process is used to sterilise medical equipment and this may be a starting point if you are interested in locating a plant). LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990622223211.25919.00002786@ng-da1.aol.com>... > > > >This is getting blown WAY out of perspective and once again people are not >reading the entire thread. > The point being made from the very start was Kevin's way of boiling >equipment in lye would not work. The discussion was of WOODENWARE. There is no >honey, there isn't any foundation either. > Kevin boils his, You burn yours. Witches too were burnt at the stake until >we learned better. > >>Another post hinted that AFB spares are "stored" in wax and scraping off >>contaminated wax is sufficient to stop spreading. > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:51 EDT 1999 Article: 18970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We Seek Guidance, O Great One Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:01:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lbdgp$ol9$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7kh9eq$odq$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990619204044.11258.00002028@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930691417 25257 62.136.12.68 (29 Jun 1999 21:23:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:23:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18970 Laura (and anyone else waiting for the answer) Sorry for the delay; I had a ton of honey to extract, then some bottling to catch up on - and the day job is particularly hectic at this time of year. According to Rinderer and Rothenbuhler, the susceptibility is influenced by the amount of pollen consumed - so the queen larvae are the most susceptible, followed by the workers and then the drones. LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990619204044.11258.00002028@ng-cd1.aol.com>... >Well.......All the old salts tell us newbies to get books, READ READ READ. I >guess I may as well burn 'em all because obviously the books are wrong. > > "American Foulbrood attacks the worker brood primarily but in rare instances >drone and queen larvae also become infected" > >Pg. 55 500 ANSWERS to BEE questions >Published by AI ROOT > >Now they very well may be wrong. But, from this day forward, everytime someone >snidely remarks to read the books, I will have to remind them the books are not >necessarily correct. So now I assume you do know the answer. Are you or are >you not going to answer it and state references so we can all learn what is >truly right? > >Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:52 EDT 1999 Article: 18971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snelgove board again Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:21:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lbdgr$ol9$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7jeni0$o4n$1@gxsn.com> <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com> <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930691419 25257 62.136.12.68 (29 Jun 1999 21:23:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:23:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18971 I remember when I first started beekeeping, my tutor at an evening class suggested that everyone should 'do a Snelgrove' at least once because it would teach you a great deal about bees. I made two boards and it was certainly very entertaining - but it is really only a way of splitting a colony vertically, rather than the more usual technique of artificial swarming (Pagden method). I have to say that having the board and a brood box on top of the supers makes it very difficult to inspect the colony as your ears will probably be where the top entrance was and will have bees trying to return to that entrance - do not try this without a veil! The board can be very useful if you have a swarm and run short of roofs as you can simply stack them on top of an existing hive - but of course you can do that by putting boxes on top of the crown board (covering the feed hole) and propping up one side with a couple of twigs; any port in a storm as they say. Tom Speight wrote in message <9Xcm9AAy$DY3Ewyl@tomsp8.demon.co.uk>... >In article <7joe8f$9mm$1@gxsn.com>, Christopher Dainton > writes >>PS. What no replies to date? (2nd posting) >>Is it perhaps called a demaree board? >>It's the board with the 'open' and 'close' entrances >>My literature has no refernce to this method of swarm/queen rearing >>>thanks >> >>>Chris >No, Snelgrove Board is correct. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:53 EDT 1999 Article: 18972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: boiled honey Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:42:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7lbfcn$qmb$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930693335 27339 62.136.0.224 (29 Jun 1999 21:55:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:55:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18972 Time to did a hole in the garden! Do not feed it to anything - least of all bees. Beware of just pouring it on your garden as it will kill plants and take a long time to disappear - and attract many bees in the meantime! Peter Bussell wrote in message <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca>... >I followed a suggestion to liquify about 200lbs of honey in an old dead >freezer with a couple of 60watt light bulbs. I was able to more than >melt it all. The honey was in 10lb plastic buckets that were melted or >deformed. The result is an incredible mess. The honey is black. Can it >be fed back to the bees? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:54 EDT 1999 Article: 18973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:39:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7lbfcm$qmb$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930693334 27339 62.136.0.224 (29 Jun 1999 21:55:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:55:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18973 Honey is acidic - so I would always recommend cleaning up if you are not going to use the extractor again in the very near future. Hose off the wax and propolis with COLD water (hot water melts them and makes a devil of a mess - you will only do it once!) which will also take most of the honey residue as well. Then use warm water to finish off. Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com>... >I am getting ready to extract for the first time, and questioned how to >clean up the extractor afterward. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:55 EDT 1999 Article: 18974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:54:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7lbfcq$qmb$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr> <7la9ve$1eis$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930693338 27339 62.136.0.224 (29 Jun 1999 21:55:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:55:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18974 The fluvalinate will contaminate the wax no matter how you use the strips because wax absorbs it - but this also prevents contamination of the honey (but do not eat the wax or produce comb honey where the wax may be consumed). busybee wrote in message <7la9ve$1eis$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... Fluvalinate contaminates >the wax which could in turn contaminate your honey> > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:57:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:51:06 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7lbfco$qmb$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930693336 27339 62.136.0.224 (29 Jun 1999 21:55:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 21:55:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18975 Sorry - but this is very bad advice. The low level of fluvalinate in the strips will help mites become resistant > About Apistan strips still inside the hive do not worry too much : I >red a study showing that after two or three month almost all the >fluvalinate had gone away the strip From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:56 EDT 1999 Article: 18976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: boiled honey Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:39:00 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7lbhoq$28da$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930695770 74154 209.130.165.34 (29 Jun 1999 22:36:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 22:36:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18976 Know of anyone going hunting for bear? Bear hunters usually call looking for "melter honey" which is the only thing I can think of to use what you have. --Busybee Southern MN Peter Bussell wrote in message <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca>... >I followed a suggestion to liquify about 200lbs of honey in an old dead >freezer with a couple of 60watt light bulbs. I was able to more than >melt it all. The honey was in 10lb plastic buckets that were melted or >deformed. The result is an incredible mess. The honey is black. Can it >be fed back to the bees? If not, what is the best way of disposing of >it? I live in the country and do not want to put it into my septic >system. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Monitoring might be worth the effort!!! >Thanks Peter B. > From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:57 EDT 1999 Article: 18977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:56:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37795D30.7718EAC@kingston.net> References: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.102 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:35 GMT X-Trace: 930700475.396.40 QANSHOMNI5066CE2FC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18977 Hi Lowell & Diane Hutchison , I always use hot water and soap then cover the extracter up till next year. I'm not sure how honey would protect it from dirt as it would make quite a mess to clean for next year. Is your extracter not Stainless Steel? Kent From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The problem with fall feeding Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:50:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37795BC2.ABBEDE43@kingston.net> References: <19990627200012.22991.00005983@ng-xa1.aol.com> <37783319.D0036026@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.102 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:48:35 GMT X-Trace: 930700115.982.47 QANSHOMNI5066CE2FC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18978 Yea Allen, Nice explanation! I have found it beneficial here in Southern Ontario to let the bees have the golden rod and wild asters. I try to do the final extraction around the first or middle of August. Then let the bees have the rest. I'm always left with honey in the spring. So I don't feed in the spring. I feed once in the fall only for Nosema medication. I've known beekeepers who will extract up until the later part of September here then feed like crazy. I always thought this was counter productive as you have to go and buy a substantial amount of sugar. Kent From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:58 EDT 1999 Article: 18979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:30:55 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net> References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7l99p3$1hd6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18979 busybee wrote: > Yes - she be the one :-) > > JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com>... > >I've forgotten which woman this thread was referring to. Do you mean Martha > >Stewart? fwiw, my chow chow was sired by the same male as one of her dogs [i still bought him.]. the breeders told me a little about how she is very willing to pose with 'her' award winning show dogs, but all the training and exercise is done by the hired help. they should know. considering how much chows shed, i can't imagine her letting them actually enter her house, except for photo ops. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Jul 1 14:57:59 EDT 1999 Article: 18980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:22:42 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <37796352.FAB82DD2@valley.net> References: <7kvpam$1i4q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990625092421.18132.00001861@ng-fx1.aol.com> <7l2n45$1ivu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> <7l5nvg$m1m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <37783050.1F03B119@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18980 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > In article <37783050.1F03B119@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose > wrote: > > He wrote a very interesting post... > > I wonder if adding a third brood chamber would be advisable here in > Colorado... I'm going to ask a local beekeeper... > > Also.. what's this hive simulator you're talking about? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com greetings, stretch. the hive simulator is called 'BeePop' and can be found at the "gears" website (global entomology agriculture research server). it is an interactive model in which you adjust certain variables and see the results graphically as the changing variables impact the hive population [forager, house bees and brood, respectively]. the specific url is: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beepop/index.html it is an interesting site overall. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:25:12 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 19 Message-ID: <377963E8.244711F9@valley.net> References: <3775B0E7.26D28645@valley.net> <3454-377919C5-49@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18981 Hank Mishima wrote: > Bill, does a 3 deep colony outperform a 2 deep? in my limited experience, yes. all of the caveats that have been previously posted apply [i'm a 'northern' beekeeper, my sample size is very small, etc.]. see my posted response to george for more details. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jul 1 14:58:00 EDT 1999 Article: 18982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 3 deeps Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1999 01:41:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990629214122.12417.00000107@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18982 Consider this Late summer and you look over your hives that are in two deeps. The hives that are weak or nasty get their queen killed. The hive bodies get put on 2 other hives using the newspaper method making them go into winter in 3 deeps. Come spring you have hives to make splits from and you got rid of poor stock. The downside is it is a lot of thermal mass and may slow spring buildup to leave em in 3 deeps in real cold areas. I have yet to experiance this. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jlbar@webtv.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jlbar@webtv.net (Jackie Barentine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: i just went throw all the E-T stuff. what has that to do with bees . Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19030-37796D59-331@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAo6GrrLB6A2ezFHegG8+9FP+PWFYCFDSkbJZJea6qiWnROcktiBbISrK2 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18983 i have been using the next new button and we seem to have gone into outer space.how about getting back to bees .i have observed this post for 3 ysars and enjoy it very much Mega Ditos Jack Barentine From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:01 EDT 1999 Article: 18984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen installation question Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1999 02:21:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990629222142.19238.00002680@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18984 I've got a hive that seems to have a "failure to thrive" problem, so I'm planning on requeening it. There appears to be no worker brood, but nice tight, compact areas of capped drone brood. Eggs are all standing on end, like a queen laid them. However, I've gone through the frames 3 times in the last 2 days and found no queen. Generally, when I go looking for a queen with this intensity, I find her. I'm starting to wonder if I might not have accidently killed the queen during one of these inspections. I did find one queen cup that seems to be getting a lot of attention, built high up on a frame near the horizontal center of it. The cup hasn't been capped and I can't tell if there is a larva in it. In the meantime, my expensive new artificially inseminated queen arrived today. I want her to be accepted, if at all possible as soon as possible. What, if anything, should I do about: 1) the fact that there is no worker brood. 2) the developing queen cup. Does it indicate the old queen is gone, and should I cut the cell out if I install the new one? 3) Could there be a drone layer -- and if there is, could it scuttle my effort to introduce a new queen? 3) When looking at these factors, along with the fact that I haven't found the old queen, should I install the queen? Thanks for any opinions offered, jm From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:02 EDT 1999 Article: 18985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:38:17 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7lc3a2$13na$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7l99p3$1hd6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-108.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930713730 36586 209.130.165.108 (30 Jun 1999 03:35:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 03:35:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18985 For some reason, I'm drawn to watch her show...kinda like a bug to a bug zapper... She had her cats on the show one day. These are very beautiful LONG haired cats...she lets them lounge on her upholstered Chippendale (or whatever) chairs but she insists that the chairs have linen tea towels to protect the fabric from the shed cat hair :-) Then the camera moved to the cat on the dining room table... I lost it! I like cats but I definately draw the line that cats do not sit on the table...and yet M tolerates it--go figure! --Busybee Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net>... >busybee wrote: > >> Yes - she be the one :-) >> >> JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com>... >> >I've forgotten which woman this thread was referring to. Do you mean Martha >> >Stewart? > >fwiw, my chow chow was sired by the same male as one of her dogs [i still bought >him.]. the breeders told me a little about how she is very willing to pose with >'her' award winning show dogs, but all the training and exercise is done by the >hired help. they should know. considering how much chows shed, i can't imagine >her letting them actually enter her house, except for photo ops. > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen installation question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:02:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 73 Message-ID: <7lc4o1$1pam$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990629222142.19238.00002680@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-108.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930715201 58710 209.130.165.108 (30 Jun 1999 04:00:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 04:00:01 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18986 Hello---offering some help here-- JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990629222142.19238.00002680@ng-fl1.aol.com>... >I've got a hive that seems to have a "failure to thrive" problem, so I'm >planning on requeening it. >There appears to be no worker brood, but nice tight, compact areas of capped >drone brood. Eggs are all standing on end, like a queen laid them. However, >I've gone through the frames 3 times in the last 2 days and found no queen. >Generally, when I go looking for a queen with this intensity, I find her. I'm >starting to wonder if I might not have accidently killed the queen during one >of these inspections. >I did find one queen cup that seems to be getting a lot of attention, built >high up on a frame near the horizontal center of it. The cup hasn't been capped >and I can't tell if there is a larva in it. >In the meantime, my expensive new artificially inseminated queen arrived today. >I want her to be accepted, if at all possible as soon as possible. What, if >anything, should I do about: >1) the fact that there is no worker brood. Yes, it could be a drone layer but not likely if there is no sealed brood whatsoever. It sounds like you have laying workers in the colony. >2) the developing queen cup. Does it indicate the old queen is gone, and should >I cut the cell out if I install the new one? If there is no egg or larvae - there is nothing to worry about as all hives have queen cups. Since you have laying workers in the colony, they may try to raise a new queen but at most you will only get a drone. >3) Could there be a drone layer -- and if there is, could it scuttle my effort >to introduce a new queen? Yes. >3) When looking at these factors, along with the fact that I haven't found the >old queen, should I install the queen? > The best thing to do if you want to save the colony, is to take healthy brood (2 - 4 frames of all developing stages/ages) and introduce those frames into the hive in question. Wait about 24 hours and then put your new queen into the colony--do not release her. Wait an additional 3 (or so) days and then release the queen. You will know at that time if they will accept her. Note: all hives would prefer to have a daughter queen so introducing a non-daughter queen will be more difficult but by putting brood into the colony, they may be tricked and thinking the old queen is still there and all attention will be given to raising the new brood than attacking the newly introduced queen. Another note: A. I . queens are hard to keep maintained in a healthy colony -- they will want to supercede her...they sense that she is "inadequate". You will need to monitor the colony closely and destroy any supercedure cells. Good Luck! --Busybee >Thanks for any opinions offered, >jm From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:03 EDT 1999 Article: 18987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:09:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7lc594$3rp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 30 04:09:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.26, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18987 HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > Martha is a dumb wench. No need to be unkind. I'm anything but a Martha fan. But she's found/ created herself a huge market niche which provides her an income (and following) most of us wouldn't mind having. The implications here have been that she doesn't really know how to do much of anything, let alone keep bees as she pretends. That may be, but it seems she does know how to do the thing that most Americans long ago decided was more important than anything else: she knows how to make money. If those aren't your values, I'm in your corner, but that's no reason unleash an ad hominem assault on the woman. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nospam@home.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm problem Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:28:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 930716904 24.6.224.103 (Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:28:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:28:24 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18988 Hoping for some ideas on this puzzlement: On 6/13/99 I inspected a strong hive and found what I believed were swarm cells. They were on the bottoms of frames but there were also some in the middles of combs. I did not see the queen nor do I recall verifying that there were any new eggs. I destroyed all queen cells (I think), and I shook all the bees on the ground in front of the hive(a swarm stopping I read about years ago). On 6/19/99 I rechecked this hive and found no new brood and no queen cells. The bees were filling all the brood comb with honey. I assumed at this point the I had misjudged the week prior when I thought they were preparing to swarm. I now thought that they were superceding the queen and I had destroyed their new queen cells. So I gave them a frame of eggs and young brood from another colony. On 6/26/99 I went out to check them and found a swarm on the ground about 10 feet in front of this colony. (I think they had tried cluster on some tall grass which then collapsed under the weight) I'm sure this swarm came >from the colony in question as their dark coloring matched those of that colony and the only other one nearby are very light colored. I placed a hive on the ground in front of the swarm, stirred them up with the smoker and they went in. (Sure beats catching a swarm 20 feet up in a tree). I'm now trying to figure out where I misjudged what they were doing. If they were not trying to swarm when I first found queen cells, why did they do it now that they are apparently queenless? Is it possible that they swarmed with a virgin queen from a queen cell that I missed destroying? I did not see a queen in the swarm but did not spend time looking. Should I try to reunite them? I'd appreciate any ideas or suggestions! Thanks, George From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:04 EDT 1999 Article: 18989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-10.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:53:25 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> <7lc594$3rp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.0a X-Server-Date: 30 Jun 1999 04:56:47 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18989 In article <7lc594$3rp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > > Martha is a dumb wench. > > No need to be unkind. I'm anything but a Martha fan. But she's found/ > created herself a huge market niche which provides her an income (and > following) most of us wouldn't mind having. The implications here have > been that she doesn't really know how to do much of anything, let alone > keep bees as she pretends. That may be, but it seems she does know how > to do the thing that most Americans long ago decided was more important > than anything else: she knows how to make money. If those aren't your > values, I'm in your corner, but that's no reason unleash an ad hominem > assault on the woman. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey! I was enjoying your post and agreeing with it until I saw that you were responding to MY post! LOL! Hell... I'm just an overgrown college kid sometimes. And don't mind venting some steam at the expense of someone who's made his/her life part of the public domain in the first place. I'm really a nice guy... ...just don't get on my bad side. (Just kidding...) ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:05 EDT 1999 Article: 18990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen installation question Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:13:47 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7lcche$apk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990629222142.19238.00002680@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7lc4o1$1pam$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.26 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930723182 11060 12.72.41.26 (30 Jun 1999 06:13:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 06:13:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18990 I'll add one technique to the process below if you suspect a laying worker(s) since these can be difficult to requeen and it sounds like you have an expensive queen. I am going to assume that you don't have another healthy hive. If you do then you should take the time to establish a nuc and get your queen accepted there first. Move the laying worker hive about 10 feet away from where it is and in the old location put a bottom board and an empty body. If you nuc'd the queen then use the queenright nuc rather than the empty body. Now go to the old hive and take a frame out (you are still 10 feet away) and standing tall, shake ALL the bees off. The frame can then be replaced into the new hive body. Repeat this until you have shaken every frame. The idea is that the normal workers will fly back to the old location but the laying workers will be unable to fly and so will be lost. If you nuc'd the queen, then they will be living happily everafter. If you didn't nuc her then you can introduce the cage. If the colony was truly queenless, I am not sure what is to be gained by waiting 24 hours. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there busybee wrote in message news:7lc4o1$1pam$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Hello---offering some help here-- > The best thing to do if you want to save the colony, is to take healthy > brood (2 - 4 frames of all developing stages/ages) and introduce those > frames into the hive in question. Wait about 24 hours and then put your new > queen into the colony--do not release her. Wait an additional 3 (or so) > days and then release the queen. You will know at that time if they will > accept her. Note: all hives would prefer to have a daughter queen so > introducing a non-daughter queen will be more difficult but by putting brood > into the colony, they may be tricked and thinking the old queen is still > there and all attention will be given to raising the new brood than > attacking the newly introduced queen. Another note: A. I . queens are hard > to keep maintained in a healthy colony -- they will want to supercede > her...they sense that she is "inadequate". You will need to monitor the > colony closely and destroy any supercedure cells. > > > Good Luck! > --Busybee > From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:32:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7lch73$84q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 30 07:32:51 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18991 In article <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca>, Mark Veltman wrote: > If workers will raise there own queen they detect a queen is missing/dead, > what is the advantage of introducing a queen from an external source? > > 1: you exchange the hazards of queen rearing for the hazards of introducing a queen ;-) 2: *If the queen you are introducing is fecundated*, you shorten the brood laying pause by something like 2 weeks. 3: But the most important reason is that you can better select what type of bees you propagate. Hopefully, the daughters of queens raised >from gentle, large producing, disease-resistant hives will retain some of this characteristics. Unpleasant surprises sometimes happen, however. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From sbharris@ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:06 EDT 1999 Article: 18992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: 30 Jun 1999 07:44:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7lchto$hdj@dfw-ixnews14.ix.netcom.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc-ut4-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 30 2:44:56 AM CDT 1999 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18992 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:136 sci.physics:392083 sci.optics:45108 In <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Prof Harvey Rutt writes: > > > >Emmett Pisces wrote: > >> rick wrote: >> >> > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in ultraviolet. >> > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you can get a >> > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the honeybee knows >> > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > >Well this scientist was a bee keeper for about eighteen years.There is no doubt >whatever that bees *can* see in the Ultraviolet, as can many other insects. >The fact you do not get sunburnt on cloudy days is irrelevant; only a very low >level of UV is needed. >Try taking a photograph of many plain, unpatterned flowers with a UV filter over >the lens; you will often see an obvious pattern of 'honey guides' leading to the >nectary, similar to those seen in ordinary light for conventionally patterned >flowers. I wonder why evolution provided those if nothing can see them?! > >On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch dances, which >indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current position in >the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates during the >day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of polarisation of the >light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic filter >(tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? > >Incidentally bees also have a magnetic sensor. The reason you get sunburned on cloudy days is not that UV penetrates clouds (it really doesn't THAT well, although it does better than IR or visible). The main reason is because of Rayleigh scattering of UV from the sky where the sun isn't, which is the same thing that get you sunburned in the shade, even on clear days, and even away from beach or water. That sky LOOKS blue, but what makes you think the color stops THERE? In fact, it's more UV than blue. Bees sense polarized light, but remember--- in nature skylight is polarized only by reflection. To use it, you need to look at a patch of sky where the light has been reflected to you, and to get direction >from there, relative to the sun, the light needs to be reflected to you at an angle which is relatively uniform (not semi-random as with a cloud). Raleigh scattered light does nicely, and UV light again fills the bill better than any other kind, simply cause there's more of it. So bees have a double reason to sense UV well, if only to have a detector behind the polarizer that does the direction-with-regard-to-sun trick. I suspect (can't prove) that patterns on flowers came later. Flying insects are in the fossil record long before flowers, and such critters certainly had a need to navigate (to find water, land, etc). From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Jul 1 14:58:07 EDT 1999 Article: 18993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old brood boxes Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:13:09 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <377A17E5.8DD6E916@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18993 I recently came across about 20 old hive bodies that have been empty for about 4-5 years. I believe the hives all died as a result of mites. I am sure the wax moths have all but destroyed the frames. My question is this: Are there any precautions I should take before acquiring these old boxes for use in my small operation? thankyou, Mark Veltman From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 1 14:58:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting question Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:00:52 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37795E34.A807583@club-internet.fr> References: <930654516.674619@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-5-154.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7m.grolier.fr 930697650 18169 195.36.151.154 (29 Jun 1999 23:07:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 23:07:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18994 As soon as the extracting process has been finished wash with cold water to remove all wax and propolis debris, then rinse with warm water to remove the remaining honey as this will quickly attack the metal container, being of an acid nature ( the honey that is).
Once this has been completed, dry the interior of extractor container to prevent any rust and / mould forming. Pay attention to any joints or other areas that may trap remaining water.
Stainless steel extractor bodies are easier to protect but are expensive.
Regards
Peter. From rubes@jps.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:08 EDT 1999 Article: 18995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <377A1C5A.2FBA9CB2@jps.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:32:13 -0700 From: Country Rube X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood Box full of honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.145 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.145 X-Trace: 30 Jun 1999 14:21:12 -0700, 208.25.61.145 Lines: 16 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.128.6.195!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!208.25.61.145 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18995 Hi, I have 5 hives, 3 which are really strong and keep filling the honey supers and two which have not put on any honey. The last two were from one hive that swarmed, we caught the swarm and put it in another hive. My brood hives are 3 medium supers. When I went into one of the new hives, the top super was totally filled with capped honey. The bottom two had brood and pollen. My question, should I remove the super with honey in it or move it to the bottom or middle of my hives. The honey is in dark comb, which I was told we should not use for consumption, but feed it back to the bees. I really do not have a bee safe place to store this honey for later use. Any ideas? Thanks, Janet From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:09 EDT 1999 Article: 18996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:35:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7lchbm$86g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 30 07:35:18 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18996 In article <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gzooflup@my-deja.com wrote: > Come to > think of it, maybe all of the drone brood is layed by workers. That > would explain how the queen can choose between fecundated and > unfecundated eggs. Having slept over that idea, I realised it is unlikely that laying workers are very common in a hive. If they were, we would see plenty of drone brood past the queen excluder. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From boothmus@pavilion.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:10 EDT 1999 Article: 18997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom Collection Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:29:10 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-25.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930749763 58036 194.242.139.25 (30 Jun 1999 13:36:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 13:36:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18997 I need to collect bee venom for study. I believe that one way to do it is to stretch latex sheet over the hive (crown board of) then statically electric charge it by rubbing it. This annoys the bees which sting it. Their stings puncture the rubber and deposit a drop of venom on the outer surface. This is allowed to dry and then harvested. The bees are able to retract their stings without damage. Is this so? Are there other methods. A few mgm are required. Gerald Legg Biologist and beekeeper From seasholtzm@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: boiled honey Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1999 14:44:04 GMT References: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990630104404.12512.00003732@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18998 The honey was in 10lb plastic buckets that were melted or >deformed. The result is an incredible mess. The honey is black. Can it >be fed back to the bees? If not, what is the best way of disposing of >it? I live in the country and do not want to put it into my septic >system You live in the country so find a local feed grinder / farmer who can mix the honey into his ground feeds for cattle/horse it is a great suppliment to ground feed in place of the standard molasses. I have a local who pays a premium for honey to mix into horse feed :~} From rubes@jps.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:11 EDT 1999 Article: 18999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <377A2E8B.DCAE0538@jps.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:49:48 -0700 From: Country Rube X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: using bleach? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.145 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.145 X-Trace: 30 Jun 1999 15:38:46 -0700, 208.25.61.145 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!208.25.61.145 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:18999 I bought 20 hives from someone that didn't medicate and varroa mites killed his hives. Most of the combs are black, almost papery, really doesn't seem like wax. I am in the process of cleaning the frames and removing the paper wax (what is that anyways). Can I reuse the plastic inserts, and can I dip the frames and plastic into a bleach solution? Also, some of the comb is light and I would like to reuse it, but there seems to be a molding looking substance on the bottom of the cells. Should I spray a bleach solution into the comb and reuse it? Thanks Janet From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sea Shells Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:24:53 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 2 Message-ID: <377A52E5.5F34@juno.com> References: <376ABA88.EFB063C2@cnu.edu> <377314F9.E8D856A0@worldnet.att.net> <37776806.59FEA99B@cnu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 930756833 OCZ7E7JIA4843D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19000 it's possible they're craving salt and/or some other minerals... From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 1 14:58:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French Beekeepers Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:34:28 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lb91d$169$1@front1.grolier.fr> References: <3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-210.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 930686829 1225 195.36.180.210 (29 Jun 1999 20:07:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 1999 20:07:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19001 Hi Steve, You can find a lot of information about french beekeeping in APISERVICE site : http://www.apiculture.com/ (french/english speaking) About major bee equipment suppliers : http://www.ick wicz.com/ E-mail miel@ickowicz.com also : NICOPLAST z.a. Rue des Cyclamens F-39260 MAISOD Fax : 33 03 84 42 34 43 APICULTURE ROUTE D'OR z.a. F-49150 CLEFS Fax : 33 02 41 82 84 71 Ets. LEYGONIE 86, rue de L'Ile du roi F-19100 BRIVE-LA-GAILLARDE Fax : 33 05 87 92 84 Ets. DUBREUIL Route de Nouzière F-86130 DISSAY Fax: 33 05 49 52 78 18 Ets THOMAS B.P. F-45450 FAY AUX LOGES Fax : 33 02 38 59 28 28 Major bee product sellers : MELLIDOR 153 Route de Tarascon F-84000 AVIGNON Fax: 33 04 90 14 11 91 -- apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Steve Newport a écrit dans le message : 3776a070.9325970@news.pavilion.net... > Can anybody give me the address of any major bee equipment suppliers > in France and any of the main bee product sellers? > > Thanks, Steve. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jul 1 14:58:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 1999 15:49:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990630114935.05183.00002511@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19002 I am not a beekeeper But I play one on TV Just about sums up Barfa Stewrat Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tcapon+@pitt.edu Thu Jul 1 14:58:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!not-for-mail From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:30:27 -0400 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 70 Message-ID: <377A4623.6BD1B4C9@pitt.edu> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> <376EF34E.9DD88B8F@usit.net> <7l99vv$18pk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: toftrees.upj.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E78035FC13819817E68D5C87" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: busybee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E78035FC13819817E68D5C87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Cape Bee (a. m. capensis) of South Africa is known for its ability to rear queens from unfertilized eggs laid by laying workers. Apparently this happens when the egg nucleus fuses with one of the usually inert polar bodies to produce a diploid (and therefore female) larva. This also happens in other races, but much more rarely. Except for the Cape Bee, therefore, most queenless colonies will remain queenless with the laying workers producing only drones. And workers may also move a female larva to a queen cup in preparation for supercedure. busybee wrote: > Yes they do - when a queen dies or is accidently killed the workers take > another worker egg and place it in the cup. > > Roger Fain wrote in message <376EF34E.9DD88B8F@usit.net>... > >That was my thought too, a laying worker. It seems like I read years ago, > where > >in a queenless colony workers can lay eggs and produce a queen. > > > >Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > > >> In article <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs > wrote: > >> > > >> >I'm completely sure they can. I found an egg in a QC when > >> >the hive was queenless with no uncapped brood. Go figure. > >> > > >> > >> Yeah, I see 'em all the time. I've never actually seen one that's hatched > >> out though, into a queen. I wonder if the eggs are from laying workers. > >> > >> Adam > >> -- > >> Adam Finkelstein > >> adamf@vt.edu > >> http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf > > > > > > --------------E78035FC13819817E68D5C87 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="tcapon+.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tony Capon Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tcapon+.vcf" begin:vcard n:Capon;Tony tel;fax:(814) 269-7255 tel;work:(814) 269-2989 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown;Sociology adr:;;104 Krebs Hall;Johnstown;PA;15904; version:2.1 email;internet:tcapon+@pitt.edu title:Associate Professor x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:Capon, Tony end:vcard --------------E78035FC13819817E68D5C87-- From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu Jul 1 14:58:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood Date: 30 Jun 1999 17:47:58 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 1 Message-ID: <7ldl8e$4ta$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <377025D6.F04668E9@ozemail.com.au> <19990622223211.25919.00002786@ng-da1.aol.com> <7lbdgo$ol9$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19004 Thanks Peter for this information. From msmith@garcott.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!garcott.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Lables(removal) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:21:17 +0100 Message-ID: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: garcott.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: garcott.demon.co.uk:212.229.43.57 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 930766869 nnrp-08:5993 NO-IDENT garcott.demon.co.uk:212.229.43.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19005 Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even three dishwasher washes can't remove them? All The Best Mike From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Thu Jul 1 14:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: using bleach? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:26:49 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7ldnia$5j9$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <377A2E8B.DCAE0538@jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 930767242 5737 129.173.88.206 (30 Jun 1999 18:27:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 18:27:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19006 I wouldn't mind to spend money for new frames and new foundations. Focus your cleaning effords to the hive bodies. If the guy didn't care for mite treatment, he might also been a little lazy with other pest control and prevention. The black, paper like stuff in the frames are the old pupae skins from the bee brood. These and the feces of the larvae are the reason that comb gets darker and darker with every brood cycle, and the size of the brood cell gets also smaller. Thats one reason to replace old black combs with fresh foundations, apart from desease prevention. The plastic inserts seems to be part of the wax foundations used in the past. Some foundtions are not purely made from wax, they have a plastic core coated with wax (Duragilt?). If my interpretation is right, get rid of the plastic stuff. Even if these are real plastic foundations, but the ones I know are made as one piece with a plastic frame, I wouldn't use them. The time spent cleaning and recoating them (BTW.: not a easy thing to do) is more valuable than the money to buy fresh stuff. I am not sure what you mean with bleach. The stuff I know to desinfect hivebodies and frames is hot -almost boiling- sodium hydroxyd (NaOH) solution. Protect your skin and eyes while scrubbing the wood with this stuff!!!! Additional burn out of the hive bodies with a torch is also recommended. As far as I know this is the only way to kill American foulbrood in all stages -apart from radiation or autoclavation which require special technical equipment. Cheers ulli From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Thu Jul 1 14:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: old brood boxes Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:32:31 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ldnt0$5mu$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <377A17E5.8DD6E916@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 930767584 5854 129.173.88.206 (30 Jun 1999 18:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 18:33:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19007 If I wouldn't be sure that the hives died from mites, I wouldn't use them. The risk to catch American foulbrood as other possible exterminator is otherwise to high. The cleaning effords are probably not worth the hive bodies. You will save some money, spend a lot of time and hard work, and might have all your hives infected in a couple of month. Cheers ulli Mark Veltman wrote: > > I recently came across about 20 old hive bodies that have been empty for > about 4-5 years. I believe the hives all died as a result of mites. I > am sure the wax moths have all but destroyed the frames. My question is > this: Are there any precautions I should take before acquiring these > old boxes for use in my small operation? > > thankyou, > Mark Veltman From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen installation question Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:54:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7le3rp$hfm$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990629222142.19238.00002680@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-66.biscuit.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930779833 17910 62.136.131.66 (30 Jun 1999 21:57:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:57:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 56 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19008 You have a drone layer! Workers lay eggs haphazardly - queens in compact areas. Workers often lay more than one egg per cell and often attached to the walls. Kill the old queen now - she is simply ruining your comb. It will be difficult to re-queen the colony and you should ask yourself if it is worth the trouble - it depends how long the queen has been laying drone - if a long time then the workers that are left will all be older and will not live long anyway. If you have another colony then I would suggest making up a nuc with some a mix of unsealed and sealed brood and some good young bees. Introduce your new queen and you are almost 100% certain to get her accepted. In the meantime you can unite the remains of the drone laying colony with your good hive. When your nuc is established, use this to replace the drone layer colony, strengthening it with more sealed brood from good colonies if you want to build it quickly. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990629222142.19238.00002680@ng-fl1.aol.com>... >I've got a hive that seems to have a "failure to thrive" problem, so I'm >planning on requeening it. >There appears to be no worker brood, but nice tight, compact areas of capped >drone brood. Eggs are all standing on end, like a queen laid them. However, >I've gone through the frames 3 times in the last 2 days and found no queen. >Generally, when I go looking for a queen with this intensity, I find her. I'm >starting to wonder if I might not have accidently killed the queen during one >of these inspections. >I did find one queen cup that seems to be getting a lot of attention, built >high up on a frame near the horizontal center of it. The cup hasn't been capped >and I can't tell if there is a larva in it. >In the meantime, my expensive new artificially inseminated queen arrived today. >I want her to be accepted, if at all possible as soon as possible. What, if >anything, should I do about: >1) the fact that there is no worker brood. >2) the developing queen cup. Does it indicate the old queen is gone, and should >I cut the cell out if I install the new one? >3) Could there be a drone layer -- and if there is, could it scuttle my effort >to introduce a new queen? >3) When looking at these factors, along with the fact that I haven't found the >old queen, should I install the queen? > >Thanks for any opinions offered, >jm From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:03:58 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7le4mm$7hj$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.80 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 930780694 7731 12.72.203.80 (30 Jun 1999 22:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:11:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19009 GooGone (I think that's the name). Alternatively, vegetable oil or WD40. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Mike Smith wrote in message news:930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk... > Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem > removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even > three dishwasher washes can't remove them? > All The Best Mike > > From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Smallest Hive? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:35:40 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Message-ID: <377a7d7b.5694623@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-82.max1-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930775290 59247 212.74.8.82 (30 Jun 1999 20:41:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 20:41:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19010 Does anybody know what the smallest viable hive would be? On the assumption that each frame is square to accomodate a spherical area for the brood, what is the small size of frame required and how few frame could you reduce it to? I am interested because I once saw a very small hive, about 10 inches long, six deep and six wide. (Approx) From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey gathering bumble bees Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:35:41 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 15 Message-ID: <377a7e4e.5906282@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-82.max1-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 930775290 59247 212.74.8.82 (30 Jun 1999 20:41:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 20:41:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19011 I recently saw in the New Scientost an article where they are trying to produce GM plants that produce a special type of nectar. This nectar carries a natural vaccine for a dogs disease. The idea being that a simple crop of these will produce the drug for you, providing a natural base and preservative. Interesting enough but they are currently testing this and are due their first crop in a years time. However, they are using bumble bees to collect the honey as they come in smaller colonies and are easier to hanle. I didn't even know bumble bees stored honey like honey bees! Could you use bumble bees as an alternative to honey bees? Are there special hives? From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:47:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7le6pv$9k9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-114.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 930782847 9865 62.136.68.114 (30 Jun 1999 22:47:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:47:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19012 Adam wrote in message news:377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net... > I just stumbled though here and was kinda curious about bee keeping? Why > do it? Do you make any money from it, or you you just do it as a hobby? > I think it is really neat and would do it myself, only it seems like a > high maintenance hobby. Is this true? I saw a Martha Stewart show and > her beekeeping. She make it look like you just set up you beekeeping > stuff in your yard, and leave it alone, and and come back and check on > it in a year and you will have lots of fresh honey to extract. From > reading these posts I would say that's not true. > > -Adam I'm not American and have no idea who Martha Stewart is and we don't have a television but I do know that all television is a sham becuase I've been on it a few times, most recently on Japanese national television. It was for a five minute programme, husband making a skep, cutting comb out of a skep, putting comb in oven, pouring molten wax into tank, dipping candles, eating honey and drinking mead in a candlelit room. Five minutes of film, eighteen hours of disruption and all unreal. I am a genuine beekeeper but would scoff at these shadows if I saw it. Adam, congratulations on setting such a question which has engendered so many varieties of replies, make the most of them all and keep asking questions. Mary the Chandler > From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:53:17 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 63 Message-ID: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7l99p3$1hd6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net> <7lc3a2$13na$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-114.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 930783196 10152 62.136.68.114 (30 Jun 1999 22:53:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:53:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19013 I've been away - who IS Martha Stewart? Mary p.s. I'm English but so are other NG members who also may not know. busybee wrote in message news:7lc3a2$13na$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > For some reason, I'm drawn to watch her show...kinda like a bug to a bug > zapper... > > She had her cats on the show one day. These are very beautiful LONG haired > cats...she lets them lounge on her upholstered Chippendale (or whatever) > chairs but she insists that the chairs have linen tea towels to protect the > fabric from the shed cat hair :-) Then the camera moved to the cat on the > dining room table... I lost it! > I like cats but I definately draw the line that cats do not sit on the > table...and yet M tolerates it--go figure! > > --Busybee > > > Bill Greenrose wrote in message <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net>... > >busybee wrote: > > > >> Yes - she be the one :-) > >> > >> JMitc1014 wrote in message > <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com>... > >> >I've forgotten which woman this thread was referring to. Do you mean > Martha > >> >Stewart? > > > >fwiw, my chow chow was sired by the same male as one of her dogs [i still > bought > >him.]. the breeders told me a little about how she is very willing to pose > with > >'her' award winning show dogs, but all the training and exercise is done by > the > >hired help. they should know. considering how much chows shed, i can't > imagine > >her letting them actually enter her house, except for photo ops. > > > >bill > > > >########################################## > > > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > > > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:14:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7le3rn$hfm$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-66.biscuit.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930779831 17910 62.136.131.66 (30 Jun 1999 21:57:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:57:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19014 Very easy -do NOT use anything other than COLD water. These glues are like wax and propolis - warm them and they make an awful mess. Simply use a pan scourer - the ones that look like a bundle of metal shavings (must be a technical term if only I could think of it) whilst running water over the label from the cold tap. No detergent needed. Soaking in cold water first makes it even easier. Mike Smith wrote in message <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk>... >Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem >removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even >three dishwasher washes can't remove them? > All The Best Mike > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 1 14:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm problem Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:42:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-66.biscuit.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 930779832 17910 62.136.131.66 (30 Jun 1999 21:57:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:57:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19015 Before destroying queen cells you need to be certain of the true state of the hive. There are a number of signs to look for that will tell you this. If you find queen cells ask: 1 Is the old queen still present - this is most important and may be the most difficult thing to establish for sure. Look at the condition of the cells - if all unsealed it is very unlikely that a swarm has left so the queen will be present - if some sealed and the weather has been fine she will probably have gone (especially if you have supers with honey but few bees) - if some sealed and a hive full of bees then they are ready to go! 2 If it is clear that they have swarmed then you need to establish when - have any cells hatched (remember that the bees will re-seal the caps on queen cells after a queen has emerged so look carefully at any where the wax has been removed from the tip leaving the papery cocoon - run your hive tool across it gently to see if it is loose. 3 If queens have emerged then you can remove the remaining cells - but release at least one queen from them as you do so - just in case the queen that has emerged has left with a cast - you do not want to leave the colony queenless. Remove the cells will prevent further casts - but not a mating swarm which is what you may have had! 4 Understand the signs that tell you whether a colony has a new young queen that has not yet started laying - polished cells ready to receive eggs - a general busy feeling with bees going about their normal business (difficult to describe). A queenless colony may have dull cells, bees loitering and standing on the combs fanning their wings and scenting (presumably trying to attract their queen back) and often creating a moaning sound - particularly in a large colony. I suspect that when you destroyed the queen cells a virgin was already loose in the hive and what you saw was a mating swarm. George C wrote in message ... >Hoping for some ideas on this puzzlement: > >On 6/13/99 I inspected a strong hive and found what I believed were swarm >cells. They were on the bottoms of frames but there were also some in the >middles of combs. I did not see the queen nor do I recall verifying that >there were any new eggs. I destroyed all queen cells (I think), and I >shook all the bees on the ground in front of the hive(a swarm stopping I >read about years ago). > From CVSoderquist@worldnet.att.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: Charles Soderquist Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fluvalinate Poisoning Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:49:59 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <377AAD27.1F6C@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.77.217 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 930786217 2640 12.74.77.217 (30 Jun 1999 23:43:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 1999 23:43:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19016 Concerning the recent thread about fluvalinate contaminated wax and the warnings of not eating it I was wondering if anyone knows of the effects of fluvalinate on humans? To my understanding fluvalinate is an artificial pyrethrum and natural pyrethrum derived from the chrsyanthemum flower is regarded as being a somewhat benign insecticide in that it breaks down in the enviroment quite readily. Also, the wax contamination is apparently in the parts per million category and while I don't like the idea of introducing impurities in a natural product the reality of the situation is that just about everything we eat is contaminated in some way either naturally or not. The FDA has an acceptable rodent feces level for grains and cereals. Think about that next time you eat your Wheaties. So what are the short/long term effects of fluvalinate exposure? Also, the continuous message has been to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, well in the Apistan package the instructions are that you can super immediately after strip removal, not six weeks later. I believe that time period is for Terramycin. Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:33:32 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7lecrs$1in4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> <7le4mm$7hj$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-85.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930789052 51940 209.130.165.85 (1 Jul 1999 00:30:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 1999 00:30:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19017 I was going to suggest GooGone also...take most of the label off before applying the GooGone--this will save much time. --Busybee George Styer wrote in message <7le4mm$7hj$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... >GooGone (I think that's the name). Alternatively, vegetable oil or WD40. > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > >Mike Smith wrote in message >news:930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk... >> Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem >> removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even >> three dishwasher washes can't remove them? >> All The Best Mike >> >> > > From honeybs@radix.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:20:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7ledkq$dkk$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <377AAD27.1F6C@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19018 Charles Soderquist wrote: >Concerning the recent thread about fluvalinate contaminated wax and >the warnings of not eating it I was wondering if anyone knows of the >effects of fluvalinate on humans? To my understanding fluvalinate is >an artificial pyrethrum and natural pyrethrum derived from the >chrsyanthemum flower is regarded as being a somewhat benign insecticide >in that it breaks down in the enviroment quite readily. Also, the wax >contamination is apparently in the parts per million category and while >I don't like the idea of introducing impurities in a natural product the >reality of the situation is that just about everything we eat is >contaminated in some way either naturally or not. The FDA has an >acceptable rodent feces level for grains and cereals. Think about that >next time you eat your Wheaties. > So what are the short/long term effects of fluvalinate exposure? >Also, the continuous message has been to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, well >in the Apistan package the instructions are that you can super >immediately after strip removal, not six weeks later. I believe that >time period is for Terramycin. Toxicological information on fluvalinate: 1. In rats, oral administration of 60 mg/kg daily for 7 consecutive days resulted in histopathological evidence of neurotoxocity in the peripheral nervous system. However, the changes were not persistent and were no longer evident following 2 weeks without treatment. 2. Rats received tau-fluvalinate via gavage. No oncogenic potential was shown. The NOEL was 1 mg/kg/day. 3. The weight of evidence suggests tau-fluvalinate in not a mutagen. 4. Rabbits were administered tau-fluvalinate during presumed gestation. Signs of maternal toxicity were anorexia, depression, and decreased body weights at 125 mg/kg/day. The NOEL was 25 mg/kg/day. 5. ACUTE TOXICITY ORAL: LD (rat) 5150 mg/kg Information from: Sandoz MSDS - Mavrik Aquaflow Insecticide which contains 22.3% fluvalinate. Maverick is quite often used by commercial beekeepers by cutting it 1 part Maveric to 3 parts water. Paper towels are then soaked in the solution and wrung out till damp. Personal measurements indicate that there is arround 1.75 grams of fluvalinate per towel. To equate this with the Acute Toxictiy a 200 lb man would have to eat 264 towels and then half would die if we are simalar to rats. Although fluvalinate is easily found in wax I have never heard of it being found in honey. Even in case where beekeepers were spraying innercovers it could not be detected by gas chromatography. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From rcjohns@wi-net.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ31b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <2Tze3.1605$qU5.33747@typ31b.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.227.51.134 X-Trace: typ31b.nn.bcandid.com 930794046 207.227.51.134 (Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:54:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:54:06 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:48:39 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19019 I have found that naill polish remover usually works well in removing old labels. Mike Smith wrote in message news:930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk... > Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem > removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even > three dishwasher washes can't remove them? > All The Best Mike > > > From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <377ACEBA.CF9E73FF@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Smallest Hive? References: <377a7d7b.5694623@news.pavilion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:13:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 930794715 24.95.169.104 (Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:05:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:05:15 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19020 Steve Newport wrote: > Does anybody know what the smallest viable hive would be? Depends on what you mean by "viable," I s'pose. Glass walled observation hives often contain only 2 - 3 brood frames, or the equivalent, and the bees can maintain themselves during the productive season. Yet they often need feeding from time to time, and such a colony can rapidly become too large for the hive, and in time swarm out. A three-brood-frame nucleus box will house a starter colony, and they will thrive OK temporarily, but again they become way too populous within a few weeks and inevitably swarm if not transferred to a full-size brood chamber. Neither of these small hives would provide enough space for the development of a full size colony, or for reliable wintering in the temperate zone, so they probably wouldn't rate as "viable." Some colonies are more prolific than others, but in general, to accomodate the laying of a moderately prolific queen plus some food reserves, it would require the comb space contained in a Br. National (/Smith) or Lanstroth brood chamber. That's about the volume of a full-size honey bee brood nest. Actually, in studies at Cornell Univ. years back, swarm scouts appeared to show a preference for nest cavities a tad smaller than the volume of a Langstroth, so that gives you a ball-park idea of what the bees are after. > > I am interested because I once saw a very small hive, about 10 inches > long, six deep and six wide. (Approx) It might have been a queen-mating nucleus (?) as used by queen producers -- i.e., a very small hive with a tiny cluster of bees, which is given a mature queen-cell. The virging queen soon emerges, and then during her brief mating period the bees tend to her. Once she is laying eggs she is removed for introduction to a colony elsewhere. Can't think of what else that could have been... jg From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jul 1 14:58:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 02:20:46 GMT References: <2Tze3.1605$qU5.33747@typ31b.nn.bcandid.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990630222046.23760.00004994@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19021 Rubbing alcohol seems to work. Still a bit of scrubbing. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Collection Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:14:32 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7lem9b$me0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-18.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930798699 22976 209.130.165.18 (1 Jul 1999 03:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:11:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19022 Are you sure you are a beekeeper? What do you mean by retracting their stings without damage? A better method may be to go into a hive holding a black (or dark color) stocking cap and rub it across a frame of bees...they will sting the stocking cap, leaving the "stings" along with the venom sac behind. Use a dark color for two reasons...(1) bees will attack it more readily and (2) you will be able to see the venom sacs and stingers against the dark color. The bee then dies after stinging once. --Busybee Booth Museum of Natural History wrote in message <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net>... >I need to collect bee venom for study. I believe that one way to do it >is to stretch latex sheet over the hive (crown board of) then >statically electric charge it by rubbing it. This annoys the bees >which sting it. Their stings puncture the rubber and deposit a drop of >venom on the outer surface. This is allowed to dry and then harvested. >The bees are able to retract their stings without damage. >Is this so? Are there other methods. A few mgm are required. > >Gerald Legg >Biologist and beekeeper From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 6 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 03:13:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990630231330.19238.00003165@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19023 >Kevin, is this to be done in the fall, as someone mentioned here, or is it >an advisable practice at any time? > iT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIANCE THAT damn caps key, if you want the bees organized its always best to keep a tidy brood nest, also usually you can get away without a queen excluder if you keep the brood nest in the bottom hive body. realize though that there will be times when both hive bodies will be near full of brood. What i'm talking about is consolidating when you see the need... Like 4 frames of brood in the lower body with 6 frames above or empty frames of drawn out brood comb in the bottom body and brood above. move the empties up and the brood down, etc.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Box full of honey Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:27:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7len12$2dh2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <377A1C5A.2FBA9CB2@jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-18.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930799458 79394 209.130.165.18 (1 Jul 1999 03:24:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:24:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19024 Country Rube wrote in message <377A1C5A.2FBA9CB2@jps.net>... >Hi, I have 5 hives, 3 which are really strong and >keep filling the honey supers and two which have >not put on any honey. The last two were from one >hive that swarmed, we caught the swarm and put it >in another hive. My brood hives are 3 medium >supers. When I went into one of the new hives, >the top super was totally filled with capped >honey. The bottom two had brood and pollen. My >question, should I remove the super with honey in >it You may remove it but be sure to add another super to replace it. The bees will continue to fill it. Did you use a queen excluder? If not, you may want to look for brood and let it hatch out before extracting. or move it to the bottom or middle of my >hives. Just making extra work for yourself...but if you have no room to store it, I would remove that box of honey and place one - two more honey supers on top of the two brood super. Then put your third box of honey on top of the two empties. The honey is in dark comb, which I was >told we should not use for consumption, but feed >it back to the bees. I really do not have a bee It doesn't make a bit of difference if the honey came from light or dark comb...you may eat it. >safe place to store this honey for later use. Any >ideas? Thanks, Janet > From lithar@midwest.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:58:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <377AF560.6B2A@midwest.net> References: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.50 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 05:12:55 GMT X-Trace: 930805975.150.23 JF3D7GB4M1C32D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19025 Mike Smith wrote: > > Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem > removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even > three dishwasher washes can't remove them? > All The Best Mike I'd be reluctant to use the dishwasher to remove labels - they could jam up the drain pump. I've had good results soaking bottles in the sink in a solution of Cascade (dishwashing detergent). It dissolves almost anything. Contrary to one post, I'd start with very hot water and a couple of good shakes of Cascade. You can tell when the mix is about right - it will make your fingers slippery, a sign the alkaline solution is dissolving skin tissue. By morning I'll bet the labels will slip right off if they aren't already floating on the surface of the water - a light rub with your fingers will remove any remaining adhesive from the bottle. This trick works great with beer bottle labels in case you happen to be a home brewer reusing your returnables. a.t.A. AL From lithar@midwest.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Collection Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:04:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 37 Message-ID: <377AF6D1.441D@midwest.net> References: <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net> <7lem9b$me0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.50 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 05:19:03 GMT X-Trace: 930806343.946.80 JF3D7GB4M1C32D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19026 Are you sure you have collected venom before? Honeybee stingers are barbed and will stick in sticky skinned critters - like humans. They can, however, sting other insects and remove their stingers. I'm not sure where a sock cap falls between those examples... :) AL busybee wrote: > > Are you sure you are a beekeeper? > What do you mean by retracting their stings without damage? > > A better method may be to go into a hive holding a black (or dark color) > stocking cap and rub it across a frame of bees...they will sting the > stocking cap, leaving the "stings" along with the venom sac behind. Use a > dark color for two reasons...(1) bees will attack it more readily and (2) > you will be able to see the venom sacs and stingers against the dark color. > The bee then dies after stinging once. > > --Busybee > > Booth Museum of Natural History wrote in message > <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net>... > >I need to collect bee venom for study. I believe that one way to do it > >is to stretch latex sheet over the hive (crown board of) then > >statically electric charge it by rubbing it. This annoys the bees > >which sting it. Their stings puncture the rubber and deposit a drop of > >venom on the outer surface. This is allowed to dry and then harvested. > >The bees are able to retract their stings without damage. > >Is this so? Are there other methods. A few mgm are required. > > > >Gerald Legg > >Biologist and beekeeper From sonorama@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sonorama@aol.com (SONORAMA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping: 3 Q's Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 06:30:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19027 I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby and am trying to get more information about this endeavor. So forgive me if these questions are seem obvious or inane. 1) Do bee hives require day to day "maintenance", or can a beekeeper just leave them for a while without any problems. What do you do with your hives, for example, if you go on a weeks vacation. 2) Can someone begin beekeeping at any time of the year, or must one start in the spring ? 3) Is there any apicultural group in New York City ? Thank you. From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping: 3 Q's Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 11:58:05 GMT References: <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990701075805.12749.00008026@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19028 Bees do not require day-to-day attention; indeed, when the weather turns cold in the winter you should leave them alone until spring. If you want to take a summer vacation for a few weeks, your bees will be ok. You really must begin a new hive in the spring, in order for it to have any chnace of surviving the winter, unless you buy an already existing hive from someone. But nobody recommends that for a new beekeeper.Best way to start is to buy new equipment and have a package of bees shipped to you via mail. Don't know about New York. I'm in Massachusetts. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Smallest Hive? Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:02:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7lflbu$bic$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <377a7d7b.5694623@news.pavilion.net> <377ACEBA.CF9E73FF@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 01 12:02:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19029 In article <377ACEBA.CF9E73FF@twcny.rr.com>, jgovost1@twcny.rr.com wrote: > Steve Newport wrote: > [...] > > > > I am interested because I once saw a very small hive, about 10 inches > > long, six deep and six wide. (Approx) > > It might have been a queen-mating nucleus (?) as used by queen producers > -- i.e., a very small hive with a tiny cluster of bees, which is given a > mature queen-cell. The virging queen soon emerges, and then during her > brief mating period the bees tend to her. Once she is laying eggs she > is removed for introduction to a colony elsewhere. > > Can't think of what else that could have been... > I am using those "queen mating" thingies myself. They come in different sizes, usually about the size noted in the previous post, but smaller sizes also exist. The ones I have bear the brand "Apidea". If there is honey flow, the bees can survive in them for quite a time. When the flow is over, it's feeding time... BTW: You can give them a virgin queen directly. A queen cell is actually more risky. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From bobpursley@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping: 3 Q's Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 12:19:50 GMT References: <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990701081950.08878.00002453@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19030 In article <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com>, sonorama@aol.com (SONORAMA) writes: > >1) Do bee hives require day to day "maintenance", or can a beekeeper just >leave >them for a while without any problems. What do you do with your hives, for >example, if you go on a weeks vacation. > >2) Can someone begin beekeeping at any time of the year, or must one start in >the spring ? > >3) Is there any apicultural group in New York City ? > When you dont have time, God will mind them. You do need to do periodic inspections for disease, I would suggest as a minimum a early fall or early spring inspection and feeding/medication as necessary. Spring is the easiest to start a new hive, but you can purchase a hive and move it at any time, this is not a particularly easy or fun task for a beginner ( it requires some particular expertise easiest gained by experinece). Beekeepers in NYC? Dunno, but probably. Do you have an agricultural agent? look in the phone book under County Extension Agent. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do workers move eggs to Q cups? Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:21:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lfmfv$bus$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7jcdl8$ecc$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7jectd$ogm$1@golux.radix.net> <376EF34E.9DD88B8F@usit.net> <7l99vv$18pk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <377A4623.6BD1B4C9@pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 01 12:21:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19031 In article <377A4623.6BD1B4C9@pitt.edu>, Tony Capon wrote: > > The Cape Bee (a. m. capensis) of South Africa is known for its ability to rear > queens from unfertilized eggs laid by laying workers. Apparently this happens > when the egg nucleus fuses with one of the usually inert polar bodies to produce > a diploid (and therefore female) larva. This also happens in other races, but > much more rarely. That's quite interesting. > > And workers may also move a female larva to a queen cup in preparation for > supercedure. But that is quite surprising. I see workers transform a normal cell into a queen cell frequently, but never have seen larva being moved to queen cups (in a queenless colony, which is the only condition in which I would be able to notice the fact). IOW: make a colony queenless. Come back after a week and look at the many queen cells right in the middle of the brrod frames. Note that pre-existing queen cups will be conspicuously empty. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping: 3 Q's Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:58:35 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7lfs6a$rqn$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.08.24 X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 1999 13:58:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19032 Bees don't require daily attention, but they require more care and attention than they used to. Bees have had a particularly rough time with diseases and mites over the past few years. This means more work for the beekeeper in checking for and medicating against these problems. Always best to start in the spring, to give the hive time to strengthen and store food for the winter (and your winters are harsh up there-I'm in Georgia). Read a lot before you get your bees in the mail, because putting them in a hire can be stressful for a beginner. It is also good to have a beekeeper to come help you the first time. But keeping bees is rewarding! From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: boiled honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 14:58:18 GMT References: <19990630104404.12512.00003732@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990701105818.07087.00002270@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19033 Really! you sell honey for people to feed to their cattle and horses. I'm always interested in learning about new markets for honey. How much do you charge for that? What's the going rate for animal-feed honey? Thanks John From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Thu Jul 1 14:58:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bottle Source Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:44:35 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.254 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:45:38 GMT X-Trace: 930825938.846.19 TQYXD9QTXBCFED1A7C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19034 Does anyone know of a manufacturer/factory source for plastic bottles suitable for bottling honey. Also which size of bottle of honey sells the best for you? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Collection Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:58:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7lfhfs$1o2c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net> <7lem9b$me0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <377AF6D1.441D@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-101.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930826556 57420 209.130.165.101 (1 Jul 1999 10:55:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 1999 10:55:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19035 Never had to collect it in this manner, but I've collected enough through bee sting injections! ;-) I didn't know what was meant by retracting their stings without damage...doesn't the bee die in all cases once it stings? I think there is some sort of apparatus used to collect venom that involves some sort of round black hollow ball placed over a glass pane. Some sort of stinky stuff is squirted on the ball that the bees hate. I'd check with a bee research lab or University of CA or AZ or MN, etc. to see if they would have any ideas. (BTW - I didn't mean to come off as sarcastic in my comment about 'are you sure your a beekeeper?) Seriously, could someone tell me, please, if a bee stings and the venom sac does not pull out...the bee still lives on? My understanding is that in order to sting (release of venom) the sac needs to be left behind where it continues to pump venom into the victim. ???inquiring minds want to know... AL wrote in message <377AF6D1.441D@midwest.net>... >Are you sure you have collected venom before? > >Honeybee stingers are barbed and will stick in sticky skinned critters - >like humans. They can, however, sting other insects and remove their >stingers. I'm not sure where a sock cap falls between those examples... > >:) > >AL > > >busybee wrote: >> >> Are you sure you are a beekeeper? >> What do you mean by retracting their stings without damage? >> >> A better method may be to go into a hive holding a black (or dark color) >> stocking cap and rub it across a frame of bees...they will sting the >> stocking cap, leaving the "stings" along with the venom sac behind. Use a >> dark color for two reasons...(1) bees will attack it more readily and (2) >> you will be able to see the venom sacs and stingers against the dark color. >> The bee then dies after stinging once. >> >> --Busybee >> >> Booth Museum of Natural History wrote in message >> <377a1b02.12534379@news.pavilion.net>... >> >I need to collect bee venom for study. I believe that one way to do it >> >is to stretch latex sheet over the hive (crown board of) then >> >statically electric charge it by rubbing it. This annoys the bees >> >which sting it. Their stings puncture the rubber and deposit a drop of >> >venom on the outer surface. This is allowed to dry and then harvested. >> >The bees are able to retract their stings without damage. >> >Is this so? Are there other methods. A few mgm are required. >> > >> >Gerald Legg >> >Biologist and beekeeper From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping: 3 Q's Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:07:07 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7lfhvj$ik6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-101.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 930827059 19078 209.130.165.101 (1 Jul 1999 11:04:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 1999 11:04:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19036 SONORAMA wrote in message <19990701023028.25272.00006181@ng-cm1.aol.com>... >I am considering taking up beekeeping as a hobby and am trying to get more >information about this endeavor. So forgive me if these questions are seem >obvious or inane. > >1) Do bee hives require day to day "maintenance", or can a beekeeper just leave >them for a while without any problems. What do you do with your hives, for >example, if you go on a weeks vacation. They should be fine - providing you worked with them prior to leaving and found everything in order. > >2) Can someone begin beekeeping at any time of the year, or must one start in >the spring ? This would be the easiest...IMO... > >3) Is there any apicultural group in New York City ? The ABF membership directory lists a few names in the NYC area...e.mail me to request them as I don't know if they would appreciate their names and numbers posted on the ng. without their knowlegde. > >Thank you. From hd.wolpert@trw.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!news2.trw.com!cronkite.sp.trw.com!news From: Don Wolpert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.physics,sci.optics Subject: Re: Bee navigation & vikings.... Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:10:07 -0700 Organization: TRW, Inc. Lines: 244 Message-ID: <377B84CE.2E132AA7@trw.com> References: <37754238.BF2CC7F4@fracks.com> <3775A707.FEDB4101@organharvest.com> <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> <7lchto$hdj@dfw-ixnews14.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dwolpert.sp.trw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------901DAA77B68A58B2671E6058" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19037 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:137 sci.physics:392325 sci.optics:45154 --------------901DAA77B68A58B2671E6058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More on Polarized light and animals that detect polarized light: It is not necessary to reflect light to have polarization. Unpolarized light entering the atmosphere is scattered by air molecules. After these light rays stike air molecules they cause the particles to execute a forced vibration generating spherical waves. The amplitude of the emitted wave is proportional to the projection of the amplitude of the oscillator perpendicular to the line-of-sight. Scattered light, thus, shows a polarization maximum at right angles to the line connecting the sun and observer. The day time sky is thus partially polarized. Some animals can detect polarized light and use the indication of the plane of maximum polarization as a navigation tool. Rhodopsin is the visual pigment that is used by all animals (i.e. vertebrates and invertebrates) to see and this includes humans. Rhodopsin is in the form of a bipolar molecule with a distinct axis. The pigment absorbes a maximum when the axis of the incident light (polarized) is aligned to the rhodopsin molecule. In vertebrates, the rhodpsin molecules are arranged randomly (hence we cannot detect polarized light) but in invertebrates, molecules are preferentially aligned parallel to the axes of narrow tubes of photoreceptor membraines or microvilli. In invertebrates, there are nine visual cells arranged around the rhabdom. Of the eight cells, one half are twisted CW the other half are twisted CCW. This 180 degree twist renders those photoreceptors insensitive to polarized light. The ninth photoreceptor is however sensitive to polarized light. Besides the honey bee there are other animals that can detect polarized light. This includes the dessert ant, fruit flies, crustaceans (mantis shrinp) cephalopodes, some fish, amphibians and sea turtles. It was because of the inaccuracy of the magnetic compas close to the earths magnetic poles the the sky compas was developed by then NBS around 1949. This compass takes advantage of polarized light from the day sky for its operation. But the earliest use of polarized light for navigation is attributed to the Vikings about the year 1,000 AD. They are said to have used "sunstones" or cordierite (Mg2Al4Si5018), a dichroic crystal found in pebbles along the coast of Norway. Here they used the sun, its position and the pattern created in the sunstone for navigation. Don Wolpert "Steven B. Harris" wrote: > In <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Prof Harvey Rutt > writes: > > > > > > > >Emmett Pisces wrote: > > > >> rick wrote: > >> > >> > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in > ultraviolet. > >> > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you > can get a > >> > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the > honeybee knows > >> > where the sun is on a cloudy day? > > > >Well this scientist was a bee keeper for about eighteen years.There is > no doubt > >whatever that bees *can* see in the Ultraviolet, as can many other > insects. > >The fact you do not get sunburnt on cloudy days is irrelevant; only a > very low > >level of UV is needed. > >Try taking a photograph of many plain, unpatterned flowers with a UV > filter over > >the lens; you will often see an obvious pattern of 'honey guides' > leading to the > >nectary, similar to those seen in ordinary light for conventionally > patterned > >flowers. I wonder why evolution provided those if nothing can see > them?! > > > >On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch > dances, which > >indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current > position in > >the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates > during the > >day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of > polarisation of the > >light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic > filter > >(tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that? > > > >Incidentally bees also have a magnetic sensor. > > The reason you get sunburned on cloudy days is not that UV > penetrates clouds (it really doesn't THAT well, although it does better > than IR or visible). The main reason is because of Rayleigh scattering > of UV from the sky where the sun isn't, which is the same thing that > get you sunburned in the shade, even on clear days, and even away from > beach or water. That sky LOOKS blue, but what makes you think the > color stops THERE? In fact, it's more UV than blue. > > Bees sense polarized light, but remember--- in nature skylight is > polarized only by reflection. To use it, you need to look at a patch > of sky where the light has been reflected to you, and to get direction > from there, relative to the sun, the light needs to be reflected to you > at an angle which is relatively uniform (not semi-random as with a > cloud). Raleigh scattered light does nicely, and UV light again fills > the bill better than any other kind, simply cause there's more of it. > So bees have a double reason to sense UV well, if only to have a > detector behind the polarizer that does the > direction-with-regard-to-sun trick. I suspect (can't prove) that > patterns on flowers came later. Flying insects are in the fossil > record long before flowers, and such critters certainly had a need to > navigate (to find water, land, etc). --------------901DAA77B68A58B2671E6058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More on Polarized light and animals that detect polarized light:

It is not necessary to reflect light to have polarization. Unpolarized light entering the atmosphere is scattered by air molecules. After these light rays stike air molecules they cause the particles to execute a forced vibration generating spherical waves. The amplitude of the emitted wave is proportional to the projection of the amplitude of the oscillator perpendicular to the line-of-sight. Scattered light, thus, shows a polarization maximum at right angles to the line connecting the sun and observer. The day time sky is thus partially polarized.

Some animals can detect polarized light and use the indication of the plane of maximum polarization as a navigation tool. Rhodopsin is the visual pigment that is used by all animals (i.e. vertebrates and invertebrates) to see and this includes humans. Rhodopsin is in the form of a bipolar molecule with a distinct axis. The pigment absorbes a maximum when the axis of the incident light (polarized) is aligned to the rhodopsin molecule. In vertebrates, the rhodpsin molecules are arranged randomly (hence we cannot detect polarized light) but in invertebrates, molecules are preferentially aligned parallel to the axes of narrow tubes of photoreceptor membraines or microvilli. In invertebrates, there are nine visual cells arranged around the rhabdom. Of the eight cells, one half are twisted CW the other half are twisted CCW. This 180 degree twist renders those photoreceptors insensitive to polarized light. The ninth photoreceptor is however sensitive to polarized light.

Besides the honey bee there are other animals that can detect polarized light. This includes the dessert ant, fruit flies, crustaceans (mantis shrinp) cephalopodes, some fish, amphibians and sea turtles.

It was because of the inaccuracy of the magnetic compas close to the earths magnetic poles the the sky compas was developed by then NBS around 1949. This compass takes advantage of polarized light from the day sky for its operation. But the earliest use of polarized light for navigation is attributed to the Vikings about the year 1,000 AD. They are said to have used "sunstones" or cordierite (Mg2Al4Si5018), a dichroic crystal found in pebbles along the coast of Norway. Here they used the sun, its position and the pattern created in the sunstone for navigation.

Don Wolpert
 

"Steven B. Harris" wrote:

In <37773658.99F5ADDD@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Prof Harvey Rutt
<h.rutt@ecs.soton.ac.uk> writes:
>
>
>
>Emmett Pisces wrote:
>
>> rick wrote:
>>
>> > These same scientists seem to think the honeybee "sees" in
ultraviolet.
>> > Ultraviolet radiation will penetrate cloud cover, which is why you
can get a
>> > sunburn on a cloudy day. Could it be this is the reason the
honeybee knows
>> > where the sun is on a cloudy day?
>
>Well this scientist was a bee keeper for about eighteen years.There is
no doubt
>whatever that bees *can* see in the Ultraviolet, as can many other
insects.
>The fact you do not get sunburnt on cloudy days is irrelevant; only a
very low
>level of UV is needed.
>Try taking a photograph of many plain, unpatterned flowers with a UV
filter over
>the lens; you will often see an obvious pattern of 'honey guides'
leading to the
>nectary, similar to those seen in ordinary light for conventionally
patterned
>flowers. I wonder why evolution provided those if nothing can see
them?!
>
>On cloudy days bees can be seen in the hive doing the Von Frisch
dances, which
>indicate the position of a food source *relative to the sun's current
position in
>the sky*, ie the dance waggle run (the direction indicator) rotates
during the
>day. They locate the suns direction by means of the degree of
polarisation of the
>light. I believe the Vikings used a similar trick with a dichroic
filter
>(tourmaline?) to aid navigation - anyone substantiate that?
>
>Incidentally bees also have a magnetic sensor.

   The reason you get sunburned on cloudy days is not that UV
penetrates clouds (it really doesn't THAT well, although it does better
than IR or visible).  The main reason is because of Rayleigh scattering
of UV from the sky where the sun isn't, which is the same thing that
get you sunburned in the shade, even on clear days, and even away from
beach or water.  That sky LOOKS blue, but what makes you think the
color stops THERE?  In fact, it's more UV than blue.

   Bees sense polarized light, but remember--- in nature skylight is
polarized only by reflection.  To use it, you need to look at a patch
of sky where the light has been reflected to you, and to get direction
from there, relative to the sun, the light needs to be reflected to you
at an angle which is relatively uniform (not semi-random as with a
cloud).  Raleigh scattered light does nicely, and UV light again fills
the bill better than any other kind, simply cause there's more of it.
So bees have a double reason to sense UV well, if only to have a
detector behind the polarizer that does the
direction-with-regard-to-sun trick.  I suspect (can't prove) that
patterns on flowers came later.  Flying insects are in the fossil
record long before flowers, and such critters certainly had a need to
navigate (to find water, land, etc).

--------------901DAA77B68A58B2671E6058-- From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bottle Source Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 1999 15:49:24 GMT References: <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990701114924.09002.00000110@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19038 >Does anyone know of a manufacturer/factory source for plastic bottles >suitable for bottling honey. Also which size of bottle of honey sells the >best for you? Brushy mtn bee farm 1-800-beeswax I sell in mason jars works great Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rcjohns@wi-net.com Thu Jul 1 14:58:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ21b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7k8kso$g14$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> Subject: Re: Re Unpasteurized/pasturised honey Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.227.51.154 X-Trace: typ21b.nn.bcandid.com 930845842 207.227.51.154 (Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:17:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:17:22 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:11:53 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19039 Hi, I am looking for receipes for honey mustard if anyone can help me I would appreciate it---beesknees ----rcjohns@wi-net.com Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message news:7k8kso$g14$1@mohawk.hwcn.org... > Hi, > You may wish to visit the Canadian Honey Council's website and article : > http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/pasteur.html > > Keith > > From Carar@twlakes.net Thu Jul 1 14:58:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: "Carolyn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in a tree Granville Tennessee Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:34:03 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7lg51n$6mh$1@news3.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.74.2.213 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 930846583 6865 206.74.2.213 (1 Jul 1999 16:29:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 1999 16:29:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19040 Is there a beekeeper near Granville who would like to have a tree full of bees. They have made a home in tree near the road. Easy access.