Article 23366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:06:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <89j13h$g0c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 01 12:06:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23366 In article <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com>, "William Cantrell" wrote: > Is there anyone on the NG who uses screen hive bottoms in an area with where > Fire Ants are located? > If so, do the ants bother your bees? > > William > North GA Mtns. > > We're in NW Florida and have plenty of fire ants. Last year we started with two hives and I placed them on supports made out of steel pipes. I coated the pipes with vaseline and/or automobile grease and never had a problem with fire ants. The ants do come and carry away dead bees from the ground in front of the hives but have never tried to go into the hives. Most of the winter we feed syrup in entrance feeders and try to keep the holes small enough so that none spills on the ground. We modified the screen bottoms so we can slide a piece of plywood out from the back of the hive and see what is on it. No fire ants. So far we've only found one dead Varroa mite, one dead wax moth, and two live wax moths. Early this year I changed the support to a 6 x 6 treated post sitting on concrete blocks because the pipes were not steady enough. If we begin to see fire ants getting in the hives, we'll go back to smearing grease on the supports. Sincerely, Herb (Vasak@aol.com) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:44:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 99 Message-ID: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38b93758.251409136@news1.radix.net> <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.76 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 01 12:44:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.76 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23367 In article <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com>, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: > >Humm, I wonder if Vidor TX doesn't have a libray or is he just too > >lazy to use it? > > > >Greg the beekeep > > > > It sure does greg. And I have read every book on bees in it along with all of > the other local cities. It was the very first thing I did when I got involved > in beekeeping. Lazy... > Ha...that does give me a good laugh. How many other two man teams do you know > that maintain 3700 hives and produce between 500 ,000 and 600,000 pounds of > honey a year with the help of a few high school kids in the summer. Thats my > day job. After I'm through there I run an additional 150 hives on my own. On > the weekends I have taken to galavanting around the state at trade days to seek > a decent price for my bee products and in doing so also spread the wonder of > bees to many people. I have even visited several major French beekeepers in > search of knowledge. I got more information from them than anyone else and I > don't even speak the language. > > Lazy is not the word I would choose to describe my self. > > I have recently started pollen and propolis collections. I have built up a > large consumer base for my pollen. My questions are simple and can't readily be > answered by a book. > > 1. Does anyone else collect pollen. If so what are your daily averages per > hive. > > 2. Does anyone else collect propolis? If so how much do you average per hive. > > 3. Does anyone have any recipes for beeswax polishes or creams. > > In all my quests for knowledge I have accepted the fact that not everything is > found in a book...greg. The best knowledge is found in the heads of > experimentors and old timers and that is what I'm looking for. > > I seem to remember you making a comment the other day that now that it is warm > we can get back to keeping bees. Well good beekeeping is year round. We see our > bees at least once a month sometimes twice. Forgive me if that comment was not > yours, but I seem to associate it with your name. > > Before you judge a man you need to spend a day in his boots. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > Hi, I did find an internet site which listed one handcream recipe. It is the one from the book by Elaine White. Here it is: Skin Cream 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. This is a nice cream, but, the lanolin really makes it smell like a barnyard. I definitely use the fragrant oil (I use almond) to cut the smell of the lanolin. Give it a try !! Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books for sale Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23368 Hello Everyone Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. Thanks Mike Smith Article 23369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Only you can prevent... Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:33:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302173359.01270.00002133@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23369 From the Ottawa Citizen. This year I bought a metal pail that I can put my smoker in to cool off, though i do like the new Merrill toolbox device that is listed in the new Brushy Mountain Bee Farm catalog. March 2, 2000, Thursday, FINAL HEADLINE: Farmers blamed for massive forest fires DATELINE: ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia -- Police have detained nearly 150 farmers for allegedly starting fires that have destroyed more than 34,600 hectares of forest in southern Ethiopia, a newspaper said yesterday. The farmers failed to put out the fires they had lit to smoke out bees from their hives and collect honey, the Ethiopian Herald quoted police as saying. No charges against the farmers have been filed, the newspaper said. About 9,000 people have been mobilized to fight the fires, which broke out 18 days ago and were still raging out of control, the paper quoted Kasso Morka, an Agriculture Ministry official, as saying. ''It will take at least 10 years to replace the forest destroyed by the fire,'' Mr. Morka said. Article 23370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books for Sale for Real . Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:07:55 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 92 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23370 Here it is contact me for prices.I shall be away from tommorrow untill next Tuesday or just have a good read of the titles.How many have you read? All The Best Mike Smith Beekeeping Book List. 1. Br.Adam.Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey.1974? 2. Br.Adam.In Search of the Best Strains of Bees.1982? 3. D.V.Alfold.Bumblebees.d.w.1975. 4. D.V.Alford.d.w.The Life of the Bumblebee.1978. 5. E.R.Bent.Swarm Control Survey. d.w.1946. 6. A.Betts. The Diseases of Bees.Paperback .No date 7. L.Bill. For The Love of Bees.*** Signed by Br.Adam.1989 8. R.Brown.d.w.Beeswax.1981 9. C.G.Butler. d.w.The World of the Honeybee.1954. 10. G.E.Carter. Bees and Honey.1948. 11. D'Arcy Chapman.The Honeybee and Her Master. 1936. 12. K.K. Clark. Beekeeping. Paperback.1951. 13..E Crane.d.w. A Book of Honey.1980. 14. H.A.Dade. Anatomy and Dissection of the Honey Bee.d.w.1977. 15. A.S.C. Deans.d.w. Beekeeping Techniques. 1963. 16. T.Edwardes. Beekeeping for All. 1941. 17. J. Francon. The Mind of The Bees. Ex Lib. 1939. 18. J.B.Free. Honeybee Biology.Paperback.1982? 19. J.B. Free. Honeybees. 1978. 20. J.B.Free.The Social Organization of Honeybees.Paperback. 1977. 21. G.R.Gayre. Wassail! in Mazers of Mead.1948. Rebound upside down must have been potent! 22. W Herrod-Hempsall.The Beekeepers Guide.Paperback.1944. 23. W.Herrod-Hempsall.Bee Produce.1948. 24. T Hooper.Guide to Bees and Honey.d.w.1983. 25. F.N.Howes.d.w.Plants and Beekeeping.1979. 26. F.N.Howes.d.w.Plants and Beekeeping.1949? 27. O.H.Latter.Bees and Wasps. 1913. 28. W.Longgood.The Queen Must Die.Paperback.1985. 29. M.Maeterlink.The Life of the Bee. 1948. 30. H.Mace. Bees Flowers and Fruit. d.w.1949. 31. H.Mace. Some Other Bees. No date. 32. H Mace.The Complete Handbook of Beekeeping.d.w.1976. 33. H.Mace. Modern Beekeeping. 1933. 34. R.O.B.Manley.Honey Farming.d.w.1949? 35. R.O.B.Manley.Honey Farming.1946. 36. R.O.B.Manley.Beekeeping in Britain.d.w.1949. 37. R.O.B, Manley.Honey Production in the British Isles.d.w.1949? 38. O.Meyer. Microscopy on a Shoestring. 1984. 39. R.Morse and T.Hooper.The Illustrated Encylopedia of Beekeeping. d.w.1985. 40. A.I.Root.ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture.1980. 41. A.I.Root.ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture.1972. 42. J.R. Ratcliff. Bee-keepers Folly. 1949. Page 2. 43. R.Sawyer. Honey Identification. 1988. 44. A.N.Schofield.d.w.Teach Yourself Beekeeping.1943. 45. A. Scott. A Murmur of Bees. 1980. 46. F.W.L.Sladen. Queen Rearing in England.Paperback. 1982. 47. L.E. Snelgrove. Swarming:It's Control and Prevention.1939. 48. L.E. Snelgrove. The Introduction of Queen Bees.2 copies.1948. 49. L.E. Snelgrove.Queen Rearing.1966. 50. R Taylor.The Joys of Beekeeping.d.w.1974. 51. J.Tinsley.Beekeeping Up To Date. 1945. 52. K.Von Frisch.The Dancing Bees. Paperback. 1953. 53. K.Von Frisch.The Dancing Bees.d.w. 1954. 54. K.Von Frisch.Bees:Their Vision,Chemical Senses,and Language.d.w. 1983. 55. Virgil. The Eclogues:The Georgics.Paperback. 1983. 56. H.J.Wadey. The Bee Craftsman.2 copies. Paperback 1978. 56. H.J.Wadey. The Bee Craftsman. d.w. 1945. 57. H.J.Wadey. The Behavior of Bees. d.w. 1948. 58. E.B. Wedmore. A Manual of Beekeeping.1945. *** Signed by the Author to H. J. Wadey. 59. E.B. Wedmore.d.w. A Manual of Beekeeping. 1979. 60. K.Williams.The Bee Box Book.1984. Article 23371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "No Bees, No Peace" Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:49:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23371 Perhaps there's some tactics here that might be useful for beekeepers here in America on Capitol Hill. I especially like the tactic of blocking roads with empty beehives. Who wants to walk up to a beehive and try to figure out if there are bees in it or not? (Except of course a beekeeper). SUNDAY TELEGRAPH(LONDON) HEADLINE: Beekeepers threaten holy war over thefts BYLINE: By Tim Gross THE humble bee has become the latest irritant in the Middle East peace negotiations as Holy Land beekeepers protest about a big increase in thefts of hives. In what is being called the Beekeepers' Revolt, Israeli apiarists have mounted noisy demonstrations at West Bank checkpoints to demand that the authorities on both sides clamp down on thefts by Palestinians. Wearing their white protective overalls, netting masks and gloves, protesters have held up placards reading, "No bees - no peace", and "Israel, land of milk and honey", with the word "honey" crossed out. They are now threatening to put a sting into their protests by releasing swarms of bees at the crossing points if their calls go unheeded. "We're talking about millions of bees worth hundreds of thousands of shekels," said one beekeeper, Levi Schneerson, who has lost half his hives in recent months. "Our livelihoods are at stake. If this goes on, I won't be able to feed my family." Beehives are not difficult to steal: they can fit easily into a car and be hidden from sight. About 2,600 of Israel's 80,000 hives were stolen last year, and 80 per cent of those ended up in the West Bank, according to Israeli officials. "There is a new mafia trade in bees," said Shachar Teneh, the head of the Israel Beekeepers' Association. The issue is particularly sensitive given the important role that bees and honey have played in Jewish history. According to the Bible, God told the Israelites that he would bring them to a land "flowing with milk and honey". Jewish tradition has it that Samson, the tribal leader responsible for defeating the Philistines, killed a lion and returned a few days later to find that a swarm of bees had settled in its mouth. His remark, "Out of the strength came forth sweetness", is still used as an idiom by many Israelis. The importance of the bee is no less symbolic for the Palestinians: a whole chapter of the Koran is devoted to the insect. "Honey is a holy product of the Holy Land," said Osman Arafat, a leading West Bank apiarist. "There is no such thing as a Palestinian or Israeli bee. They fly freely over checkpoints - linking us through nature." Israelis say that bees are not the only possessions to be purloined in the past few years since the Jewish state began handing back occupied territory. Other property - particularly cars - has been stolen, and the owners complain that Palestinian police have done little to stop the rising tide, and that, sometimes, the officers have themselves been involved. Past Palestinian-Israeli agreements are supposed to contain measures for combating crime. But Palestinian officials have said that they want fresh concessions on other fronts in return for more co-operation in this area. When beekeepers complained this month to Hekmet Zaid, the Palestinian agriculture minister, he told them that he would deal with the problem only if their authorities agreed to allow Palestinian strawberries to be sold in Israel. The Israelis say this is not possible because the Palestinians use pesticides banned in the Jewish state. Shaul Yarkoni, a 54-year-old beekeeper from a collective farm near Rehovot, south of Tel Aviv, said he hoped that others working in agriculture would join the Beekeepers' Revolt. "We're calling on the cattlemen, the chicken raisers and the orchard owners to come out with us," he said. So far, the beekeepers have blocked roads near checkpoints with burning tyres and empty beehives. But if the authorities do not act, they are threatening to bring full hives to their demonstrations, and release thousands of bees. Border guards and the many people who regularly use the crossing points shudder at the prospect. "Everyone will scatter, except us," said Mr Yarkoni. Article 23372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: jones@massed.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rendering propolis? Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:29:37 +1200 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38BE1861.204A3960@massed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: Ie8r/MVb13gxI0OWSXX5fho33KDgv5YKFSF1ff4n3Fo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2000 00:30:54 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23372 Is there a way for a hobbyist beekeeper to render his own collected propolis? Steve J. Article 23373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Amy Moye" Subject: WBC, National Hives Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:30:56 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust67.tnt1.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.25.239.67 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa04 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23373 I have read about "WBC" and "National" hives on UK websites. Does anyone know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. I might want to purchase or build a few, but do not know much about them. Anyone have any experience? Pros / Cons? Article 23374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rendering propolis? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:28:57 GMT References: <38BE1861.204A3960@massed.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302222857.15368.00000697@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23374 >is there a way for a hobbyist beekeeper to render his own collected >propolis? > >Steve J. Hi Steve The only way I have found is to collect clean propolis...not the stuff you scrape off your frames and boxes (these contain wood, grass etc.) You should use a propolis trap or you can make your own by using window screen. Once its full take the trap and freeze it. This will make the propolis brittle and it will fall off when you bang it. While its brittle you can use a grinder or mortar and pestle method to powder it. Then you can mix in Corn starch or carob powder to keep it that way. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:39:24 GMT References: <38bed6e2.27760632@news1.radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302223924.15368.00000701@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23375 >I don't see why not, just list them here. Bob Williamson might buy >them all for his town library. > >Greg the beekeep > Or since Greg is the Big Commercial Beekeep... He might want them to donate to our backward, long suffering town library. Thank you so much for your altruistic thought. lots of love;) (country bumpkin style) Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:57:44 GMT References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302225744.15368.00000705@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23376 >Robert; > >Have you looked at Andy's Book > > ( Andy Passed Away about a year ago) at > Thanks Dan My search engines never came up with that one. I started reading it and it is filled with wonderful information. Some of it leaves me with questions I wish I could ask him. I started subscribing to this newgroup about the time he passed away. Wish I could have known him. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:39:09 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38bf3ed1.905926@news.tco.net> References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> <20000302225744.15368.00000705@ng-df1.news.cs.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23377 On 03 Mar 2000 03:57:44 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: > >My search engines never came up with that one. I started reading it and it is >filled with wonderful information. Some of it leaves me with questions I wish I >could ask him. I started subscribing to this newgroup about the time he passed >away. Wish I could have known him. Robert; Do a search on Bee-line using his name and you will have days of reading and glean a lot about bees and other things. Dan Article 23378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:43:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.54.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 952058631 24.67.54.247 (Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:43:51 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:43:51 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23378 I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special techniques to split the pkg into two hives? I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 04:02:05 GMT References: <20000302140835.01313.00000134@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000302230205.15368.00000709@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23379 >I think if you use 5 mesh screen in the pollen trap you starve the bees >But 7 mesh lets about 1/2 get through. >Can't find where I saw it referenced but it stuck in my memory > > I've been experimenting and I've found that my reconditioned pollen traps do let about 50% through. I bought some plastic pollen trap sheets overseas and the perforations are so small the bee can barely make it through. I've decided not to use those...unless I just really have to fill a rush order. Thanks for the feedback Tom. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.110 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead hives Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:59:51 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38B41207.3678BA19@digizen.net> References: <38B34F46.8F00A631@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 951324440 66494 209.194.78.12 (23 Feb 2000 16:47:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 16:47:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23380 I also had my first starvation death this year (in a hive I thought had sufficient stores). Is it necessary to remove each dead bee from each cell... or can you put them on another colony and let them "bring out your dead" ? Chad Howell wrote: > Today I checked on my hives and found three dead ones. What is puzzling > to me is that it looks like starvation. The middle frames of two bodies > were eaten up the middle about 20 cells wide and the rest of the frame > wasn't touched along with the other 5 frames. I found bees head first in > cells. I guess my question is, can I install packages into those hives > and let them feed off the honey left in them. The honey isn't fit for > consumption due to medications given in the fall. Thanks for any > insight. Today was a very sad day for me. I mourn the loss of three fine > colonies. > Chad Howell Article 23381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B98C6A.5379C3BB@cybertours.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:43:22 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS Message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.123 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.123 X-Trace: 27 Feb 2000 15:34:06 -0500, 209.222.109.123 Lines: 19 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.123 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23381 Greetings! The Presidents EAS 2000 newsletter is located here: http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/pres.eas2000.htm Other events are located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/events.html -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid smoker Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:34:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23382 has anybody tried that stuff. i definitely want to try it. my family complain the shed smells like smoke, with the reg. smoker, and i have had a time finding decent fuel. i only have one hive right now, so it should last a decent time. how much does it cost, anyway? Article 23383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:12:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> <20000223081037.00513.00001192@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951343298 nnrp-06:18071 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23383 In article <20000223081037.00513.00001192@ng-cu1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes > I've only just purchased it and don't know what the drawbacks, if any, are. >Any European or Canadian beekeeps out there have any comment on the use of this >product? Yes. Very happy with it. As you say, if you are an organic grower, you'll be used to it as a means of dealing with cabbage white butterfly larvae and the like. I believe the organism is from the soil. It is very easy to use. It stores well. It can be bought over here (UK) in large containers as well as small. I have had colleagues deride the use of pdcb on the grounds that even food manufacturers have stopped using it! However, if it must be used, it is volatile. I believe it is supposed to deter not kill. -- James Kilty Article 23384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B45FBC.FF1440E3@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:24:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 951344675 24.92.236.168 (Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:35 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23384 I'd never use PDB with any combs of honey, even if (or especially if) they are going back to the bees later. P-U! You don't mention where you are, but if you are in a place where it is winter now, and cold outside, just stack the supers outside with a lid on top, and any holes screened against mice. That is the easiest and best protection if any honey/pollen are present. An alternative would be to store the supers, same way, in an UNheated building, such as a garage or shed, until you are ready to re-stock them in spring. Either of these situations will do away with _any_ need for moth repellents, as long as the nights remain cold, and as long as you get some bees back into the equipment before mid-Spring, when outside temperatures become balmy enough for wax moths activity. Here in NY I frequently stored brood combs outside like that, and from what I recall, wax moth damage doesn't become noticeable til mid to late May. So -- if you're in the midst of winter cold, you'll be able to have new bees installed well before wax moths get a chance to cause damage. Skip the moth crystals. Paul Petty wrote: > I've got some boxes/ frames containing some honey that I need to store > for awhile. (A couple of winter deadouts I just discovered.) I know > that parachlorodibenzyne (Paramoth) isn't supposed to get into the wax, > but what about the honey? > > Paul Article 23385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> <891m5h$h61$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: liquid smoker Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:57:22 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-cb06eM6yGzC+wsGMdiZnwuQP6T+giuUIuetl9vGsVUj6w/N0kDPxDvK4G0dFgaiBGLjWjrVhZYKtjT3!LWJJKYrNs8PcZyKoYFvxOgVYnr8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:58:46 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23385 Hi Pete...Standard stuff for smokers here in Western Washington is "gunny-sacks" from the feed store....Spud sacks work alright, too, but are looser weave and burn up pretty fast. "DM" Port Angeles, WA. Article 23386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen question Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:06:19 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <891p7c$9j3$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-46.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 951347244 9827 63.75.191.46 (23 Feb 2000 23:07:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 23:07:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23386 I live in central missouri, Just went out and checked on the hives , and found bees coming in loaded with pollen. What a surprise! I havent seen anything blooming yet. Maples are close. Could this be leftovers from the fall flowers? preacher Article 23387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lost queen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:02:16 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <891ovq$ap9$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-46.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 951347002 11049 63.75.191.46 (23 Feb 2000 23:03:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2000 23:03:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23387 Hey folks, I have a hive without a queen. And I want to add it to another hive with a queen. Which way do I put it on. On top or bottom . thanks. Article 23388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B44113.95C71AB5@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:20:35 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's started!!! References: <38b1e451.2635740@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn51.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 951354751 180 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23388 Mine too, I have two large Maples in front yard, I walked past and had to stop and look, the bee's were working them so much it sounded like a swarm. These Buckfast bee's have already exploded!! L.E.G. honeybs@radix.net wrote: > The bees were bringing in pollen today. Maple and something else, > maybe skunk cabbage. All hell is getting ready to break loose. We > can get out of the house and back to beekeeping again! > > Greg the beekeep Article 23389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38B33305.AB7F041F@usol.com> <38B43FD6.D94E6B22@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: hive is alive, hurray! what to feed? Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.53.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 951359845 12.72.53.75 (Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:37:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23389 Absolutely! They will want to swarm just before the flow. If they are successful, you will have wasted some good sugar. Stimulative feeding will force you to become a better beekeeper or an annoyance to your neighbors. You call it early, I call it late. I start Feb 1, otherwise I get next to nothing from the citrus. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:38B43FD6.D94E6B22@crosslink.net... > George, Question#1 Feeding syrup this early in the year, will it stimulate the > swarming urge? > L.E.G. > Article 23390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:03:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <89o9mr$9ts$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.23 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 03 12:03:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.23 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23390 That's a lot of bees! I've never heard of that procedure but don't see any problem with just dividing the bees and introducing each queen in the usual way. But that's more bees than necessary I think. At the end of March 1999 we received a 4 pound package from Wilbanks and a 3 pound package from Andy Webb. During the first month the Wilbanks bees got right to work while the Alabama bees just sat around on the porch drinking syrup ( and telling jokes I suppose). But in September we got more honey from Webb's bees and this spring there are a lot more bees in the Alabama hive. Andy Webb 334-829-6183 Calvert Apiaries #14 Widow's Lane PO Box 36 Hwy 43 Calvert, AL 36513 Wilbanks Apiaries, Inc. PO Box 12 Claxton, GA 30417 812-739-4820 In article , "stacker" wrote: > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning glassware Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:52:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38b49c84.23659005@news.ncweb.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23391 What is the best/easiest way to remove beeswax from glassware and stainless steel when they have cooled? I have a glass Dutch oven that I use to melt wax cappings with and I am looking for an easy way to clean it. I also use a few wax molds that I need to clean. Thank you for the help. Pat Article 23392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:37:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38BFC01D.DE7B3256@fuse.net> References: Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23392 Here in the U.S., the package bees are shook from a hive into the package the morning they are to be shipped. The queen is placed in a queen cage and then the cage is placed into the package. The queen cage has candy in the ends and also includes a few worker bees as attendants to the queen. The bees and the queens come from different 'hives' and are not natural. So any further splitting you would do would be just measuring and splitting the workers, then placing a queen cage into each of your new hives. Judy in Kentucky, USA stacker wrote: > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost queen Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 29 Feb 2000 05:05:29 GMT References: <20000227233230.03653.00001984@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000229000529.12648.00000683@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23393 > If it's 2 hives you're uniting and they both have queens, put the one on >top >that you want to survive. We do this all the time during april and may with splits that just don't build up enough. Newspaper is the best idea. it keeps the bees apart long enough that they all start smelling the same and both hives usaully accept each other. During this time of year I would suggest using a mixture of syrup and vanilla extract. Pour it all over both sets of bees and let them lick each other clean. By the time the finish licking and the vanilla smell dissipates you have a single hive. Wether they accept both queens is up to the bees. If they want both they will keep them apart. (usually is the case) if not they might swarm or of course kill each other. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: liquid smoker Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:38:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <38BA5E1C.B315A4E6@usol.com> References: <38B33938.C5625469@usol.com> <891m5h$h61$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23394 thanks for the advice! Article 23395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive is alive, hurray! what to feed? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:46:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BA601A.AC2C2E2E@usol.com> References: <38B33305.AB7F041F@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23395 sorry, i live in detroit michigan, and they had one deep body full of honey, i was able to feed all the way into november, and i did put one batch of sugar candy in the hive back in jan. they have done one hell of a spring cleaning, there is big pile of dead bees in front of the hive, havent looked in it yet. will do it tomorrow. thanks for all the groovy responses. Article 23396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Keeping in your garden Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 06:53:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38BA61A8.8C53CFB6@usol.com> References: <87sfl2$gd0$1@news.beeb.net> <0146ce5a.21b28076@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23396 i live in big city, my yard is four lots. my hive is in a cage fence, but everyone can see the hive, folks dont seem to give a rats ass, and they all love the honey i gave them. i am going to try to cover it better this year, however. Article 23397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jerry Ameel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Winter Hive Kill Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.61.61 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 951819250 209.57.61.61 (Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:14:10 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:14:10 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:14:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23397 Good News! 27 colonies, 0 dead. With a nice break in winter and temperatures in the 50's - 70's we decided we better check our girls and throw on some feed. The day before we went out a friend of ours who manages 500+ colonies told us he experienced a 70 - 80% winter kill. Much to our surprise, all our colonies are very strong and 5 -6 that are overflowing ( good candidates for spring split) Any others in Michigan experiencing winter kills like our friend?? Jake Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI www.Good-Rich.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ "Steve Chapin" wrote in message news:schapin-0902001443060001@h000502d05653.ne.mediaone.net... > I opened up my hive today and found that it was dead. Here is the history > of the hive: > > Hive was created from a package of Buckfast bees last April. It is > located in Northeastern MA. Initially the hive was fed with syrup and > fumadil. All summer and early fall, the hive was extremely strong. It > produced 4 supers of honey (about 125 lbs.) After I removed the supers, > the remaining two hive bodies weighed about 140 lbs. > > In the fall, after the honey was off, I used Apistan for about 45 days. > At the same time, I added a Terramycin patty. The last time I saw bee > activity was in beginning of Nov, when I removed the Apistan strips. > > I opened the hive today as it is warm (40 degrees) and found a clump of > dead bees on the top of the second hive body. I expected to find the bees > in a clump, but they seemed to be scattered over the hive. One frame had > many bees with their heads down in the comb, looking like they were eating > honey. There was still a lot of honey in that hive body, as it weighed > about 40-50 lbs. I pulled 5 frames and found much the same; lots of honey > and some bees head down in the comb. > > The lower hive body had less honey as it was mostly empty brood cells. > When I removed the top hive body, I found more dead bees on the top of the > frames. There was also a fine light colored powder. I looked much like > fine sawdust. It was the heaviest on the center frames. > > The winter here was cold, with many days below zero, with a wind. The > hive consisted of two hive bodies, an inner cover (inverted so the side > cutout acted as a vent), then a empty super with fiberglass insulation and > finally the top cover. There is an entrance reducer, 3/4 inch opening > exposed and facing upward. I never used a queen excluder on the hive. > > The bees and comb appeared to be intact, no evidence of predation. > > So, my question is, What happened?? > > Cheers > Steve Chapin Article 23398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees in Comb Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:48:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000303184821.02482.00000222@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23398 My friend recently gave me a old hive that had died out during the winter. He asked me to clean it and help catch a swarm to replish the died bees. My questio is How do I get the dead bees that are stuck in the comb?? There are over 300-400 bees in 5-6 frames with their heads stuck in the comb. All died out beacuse of lack of honey, they starved to death. I am worried about the smell of dead bees may make to hard for a swarm to enter the old hive. Any answers will be deeply appreciated. Richard Flanagan I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 23399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B68B69.6E56229@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Larvin 3.2 & bees References: <20000211194500.27087.00002910@ng-fm1.aol.com> <20000225080634.08881.00001506@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:02:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp08.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:02:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23399 I had an experience this winter with exactly that. The improper widespread aerial spraying in eastern NC this Oct to wipeout the nonexistent encephalitis epidemic 2 weeks before freezing temperatures killed the mosquitos naturally, apparently weakened very strong and well fed colonies. They had been treated (Apistan) despite minimal mite drops. I treated them because I had an impending major operation and would not be able to tend them for 4 months or so. They had Crisco patties placed as well as menthol last September. Plenty of food, pollen and honey. Honey left in accessible places in the colony. No sign of dysentery, no foulbrood, no sign of robbing, no poor condition equipment or comb, no sign of external animals, small clusters on combs that appear as if they froze to death due to too small clusters. Requeened last year from several different major breeders of different races (testing purposes). Queens in the cluster. No sign of mites on the bees. 6 colonies survived out of 20 in yards separated by 40 miles. It appeared just as a dwindling from mites but with proper treatments in colonies that have no history of resistance and near 0 mite drops when tested last week. The only thing I can conclude is that is how the pesticide spraying played itself out. The spraying was done in mid October warm sunny afternoons. Probably not a single mosquito out flying. But my bees certainly were. Thom JMitc1014 wrote: > > < sprayed, but I'm not sure if it might not be a better idea to have my bee's in > the farmer's fields.>> > > I talked to a hobbyist with one hive about a mile south of the farmer's > field where the Larvin is being sprayed. She says she used to pull as much as > 300 pounds off this one hive, but starting about three years ago, the hive > started dying off in the summertime and early fall. "The bees would just > disappear," she said. The remaining ones would crawl around and look weak. > Coincidentally, the leases on farmed fields owned by the nearby town comes > up every 5 years, and 3 years ago was about the last time all the fields had > their leases renewed, or new farmers took over. I am located in Eastern Mass. > She said the bee inspector had come out and blamed mites, saying that there > were some hives from Mexico brought into the area with some really bad mites. > Does what she describe sound like a pesticide kill? Is it possible that when > people talk about "disappearing bees" and mites, they are really encountering a > pesticide hit? > John Article 23400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:03:38 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Substitute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn52.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 952134912 13670 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23400 Does anyone have any info on using pollen subs... Pros and cons, favorites, ect... 4of the6 oldtimers in the area use it (and I ) and all seem to do ok..The 2 that do not use it don't talk too much, so it is hard to drag out info from them. They may use something and just don't say. Thanks, L.E.G. Article 23401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news.trentu.ca!news From: APATRY Subject: The big move Sender: news@news.trentu.ca (News System) Message-ID: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:57:27 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: net129-121-dyn.flemingc.on.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) Organization: Sir Sandford Fleming College Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23401 Hello again,

Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do:

1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them
2. close off the hive entrance

the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.

Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover?

Thanks,

Andre
  Article 23402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952138674 63.17.126.77 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 02:57:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23402 Hello all. My dad tells me my bees are dead. I keep a hive at his house and could not get out there this winter. I was planning on going out this weekend but just got a call that the hive is dead. I haven't seen them yet but I am still going out to look this Sunday. My father said there are dead bees in the bottom of the hive and no life what so ever inside. I may have cuased this by accident. When medicating last fall I forgot to take out the bag of menthol (he found it inside where I placed it). Could this have caused the demise of the hive? I haven't taken it apart yet so do not know if there are dead brood in the frames or if there is any honey left in there. I will post when I find out. Also, the hive is in eastern PA and we had a pretty mild winter. Still scratching my head as to what went wrong. Not happy. Gabe Article 23403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!pao.uu.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38BAA104.D9ED0C4C@sonic.net> From: "Michael R. Cirivello" Organization: SiteRise.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FA: 1871 Beehive Patent -- not a reproduction! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:23:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.165.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 951754994 209.204.165.201 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:23:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:23:14 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23403 For Auction through Ebay: An 1871 certified copy of a beehive patent awarded to Silas Strens of Weston, OH. This is not a reproduction -- not a photocopy, but one of several certified copies made by the Patent Office at the time of issue. This piece is over 125 years old and comes mounted on archival backing, and professionally matted and ready for a 16x20 inch frame. This makes a great addition for the collector or hobbyist. For more detail, see: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270367761 -- Michael R. Cirivello cirelli@sonic.net Santa Rosa Junior College Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Librarian -- Internet Consultant-- Regular Guy Facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts all come with points of view. Facts don't do what I want them to. --Talking Heads Crosseyed and Painless Article 23404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.124 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:15:27 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38BAE56E.4DEB8B78@digizen.net> References: <20000226193619.02785.00001690@ng-ft1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 951771857 19100 209.194.78.12 (28 Feb 2000 21:04:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2000 21:04:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23404 Maybe your request was too broad. I have a couple of books on making things with beeswax.... but I can't quote the entire book to you. What sort of recipe would you like? Robert Williamson wrote: > So far in the past six months I have posted numerous requests for any > information on pollen, propolis, and any recipes involving beeswax. To date I > have gotten 0 replies. You would think that with all the subscribers to this > newsgroup there would be at least one person with some useful information. > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B6A816.17B0ABEA@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:57:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 951494263 24.92.236.131 (Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:57:43 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23405 APATRY wrote: > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover? Sure. Order some packages or nucs to replace the dead colonies. Well...seriously, good luck. If they end up OK it will be fortunate. Let us all know how it goes -- if it works out OK after all, it will show that bees actually can be moved that far, and that way, during the winter. On bumpy or uneven terrain, take it s l o w; also when making any sharp turns. If the hives are right up against the cab, it should protect them some, from the wind-chill. Once they are at the new location, I would let them settle down overnight, before opening the entrances. Otherwise they are likely to rush out en masse, and many of them are apt to be promptly lost and unable to make it back to the hive. Hopefully you will get good weather on moving-day, that isn't too cold. good luck with the move J. Article 23406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:26:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38B6AD2C.9205C01E@mwci.net> References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23406 When you say "close off the entrances" I hope you mean with screen. Remember the bees will run out of oxygen very quickly if the entrances are closed. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com APATRY wrote: > Hello again, > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover? > > Thanks, > > Andre > Article 23407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 2000 19:20:09 GMT References: <20000225122245.01261.00001073@ng-xe1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225142009.01614.00000029@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23407 Did you do the matchstick test for a ropey sticky mess? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New television show/bees Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 04:49:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23408 On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... "Pollinators in Peril" Host: Peter Fonda Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our world thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these often forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native bees. — From a post on another NG. It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US beekeepers in "Ulee's Gold", and the producers of this program will repeat the exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the imperiled pollinator movement "The Forgotten Pollinators" by Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): > *Speculates* that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators to extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? > Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and nectar (native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). > Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that "native pollinators" in North America are native *everywhere* in North America — there are more than 55 species of bumblebees here. A “native pollinator” in the Northwest is an invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from a bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive species in Massachusetts. > Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in those areas of the world rival US output for some products. > Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the honey bee for outcompeting them—without mentioning that bumble bees were also imported to Australia several centuries ago. > Implies that "native pollinators" are more benign than honey bees. Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. > Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force "fearsome" and "overwhelming." > Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native forage. A study of beekeepers in "The Hive and the Honey Bee" (Chapter 11) shows the majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. > Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully done: Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry on. > Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about the diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as managed or kept colonies are concerned. > Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for one trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey bee research to alternative pollinator research. Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this "fashion" seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the latest victim. The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. Article 23409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning glassware Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Feb 2000 20:58:57 GMT References: <38B672D4.D45B0A4E@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225155857.01220.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23409 I have had great luck boiling waxed up stuff in a pot of water with some washing soda added. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:04:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38bed6e2.27760632@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23410 On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000, "Mike Smith" wrote: >Hello Everyone > Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an >attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. > Thanks Mike Smith > > I don't see why not, just list them here. Bob Williamson might buy them all for his town library. Greg the beekeep Article 23411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B6FD81.2B773FC9@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning glassware References: <38B672D4.D45B0A4E@visi.net> <20000225155857.01220.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:09:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:09:31 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23411 Yeah but, I still never use something for wax unless it stays with a bee project. The thrift stores are too loaded with cheap stainless to bother with using a good pot, glass, bucket, what have you. Thom BeeCrofter wrote: > > I have had great luck boiling waxed up stuff in a pot of water with some > washing soda added. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paramoth and honey Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:26:35 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38BEDC8B.20A8DF6D@uidaho.edu> References: <38B2F38C.3DE11750@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-02.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 952032394 11977 129.101.6.228 (2 Mar 2000 21:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2000 21:26:34 GMT To: Paul Petty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23412 I have stored boxes/frames loaded with honey in a chest freezer for up to three years. So ill effects that I can find. Just need a big empty freezer :-) Good lick matthew Paul Petty wrote: > I've got some boxes/ frames containing some honey that I need to store > for awhile. (A couple of winter deadouts I just discovered.) I know > that parachlorodibenzyne (Paramoth) isn't supposed to get into the wax, > but what about the honey? > > Paul Article 23413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Live in Greenville, South Carolina Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 00:50:01 GMT References: <896viv$jto$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225195001.01612.00000090@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23413 > >I am in Easley which is outside Greenville, South Carolina. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Live in Greenville, South Carolina Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 00:53:00 GMT References: <896viv$jto$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000225195300.01612.00000093@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23414 >I am in Easley which is outside Greenville, South Carolina > > There's Rossman Apiaries they have rabetted cypress hives There's Brushy Mountan And Walter Kelley I have stuff from all three and no problems with service or anything. I think you are surrounded Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Expanding Hives Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:18:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <896ikj$ef9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> <896s7n$9qs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23415 I totally agree, shop till ya drop. So to speak, I have found spending just a little extra can get you some higher quality wood! Article 23416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@metalab.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Books for sale Date: 4 Mar 2000 08:17:44 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <89r2dp$sh4@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: Reply-To: adamf@metalab.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu X-Trace: news2.isis.unc.edu 952175866 15671 152.2.22.14 (4 Mar 2000 13:17:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news2.isis.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Mar 2000 13:17:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23416 >On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:00:05 -0000, "Mike Smith" > wrote: > >>Hello Everyone >> Is it kosher to post books for sale in this N.G. as an >>attachment? I live in the U.K. but could post if covered in the price. >> Thanks Mike Smith Oy! Yes this newsgroup is for beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Books about bees certainly may be sold here. In Usenet, posting attachments is usually not well received--you could post a description of the books and then have people email you for the list, or if you have web space, throw the attached list there with a URL to it. Thanks for asking. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Article 23417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B7CF37.2972A7B1@together.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:03:51 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 26 Feb 2000 08:14:51 -0500, dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 20 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23417 I've moved many colonies into apples when it was in the 40's farenheight. Never had a problem. Never screened the entrance, and didn't loose any colonies. I always found that the bees travelled calmer if the entrances weren't screened. I would load the bees at dusk, and drive them at night. Can't really see any problems, even traveling 500 km. APATRY wrote: > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > 2. close off the hive entrance > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > Andre > Article 23418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38B7D0FF.987B1604@together.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:11:27 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Expanding Hives References: <896ikj$ef9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 26 Feb 2000 08:22:27 -0500, dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-117-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23418 Do you have a table saw? Bottoms, boxes, and covers can be made quite cheaply if you do. I just built 108 medium supers for $100. Used pine ends from a mill in the area. Bought the frames for $.52 @, plus the foundation. Outer covers cost about $3.00 because of the metal. I used aluminum flashing. A full sized hive(with 4 supers) would cost $300 if you were to buy it at catalog prices. Hard to pay for at today's honey prices. Kevin wrote: > I am entering my 2nd year with my apiary. First year went great with only > one hive. I would like to up it to two or three this year. Where is a good > source for equipment? > Kevin Article 23419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B7D28A.7C0B8530@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad(spam_tastes_good)"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: mpalmer@together.net Subject: Re: The big move References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> <38B7CF37.2972A7B1@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:18:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:18:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23419 I've moved bees without screening the entrance at 50 deg. F during daylight and everything went just fine. If it is cool there will be no real reason, except perhaps being very cautious, in screening the entrance as the bees won't be flying anyway. I moved them in very rural places. Michael Palmer wrote: > > I've moved many colonies into apples when it was in the 40's > farenheight. Never had a problem. Never screened the entrance, and > didn't loose any colonies. I always found that the bees travelled calmer > if the entrances weren't screened. I would load the bees at dusk, and > drive them at night. Can't really see any problems, even traveling 500 > km. > > APATRY wrote: > > > Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do: > > > > 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them > > 2. close off the hive entrance > > > > the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius. > > Andre > > Article 23420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:27:57 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 69 Message-ID: <898kaq$7ss2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas2.lec.gblx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0" X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 951571610 258946 209.130.165.75 (26 Feb 2000 13:26:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 13:26:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23420 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Load at dusk. Net the load. Travel at night.=20 --Busybee APATRY wrote in message <38B69857.22D7B2C9@flemingc.on.ca>... Hello again,=20 Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to do:=20 1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over them=20 2. close off the hive entrance=20 the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.=20 Any other tips out there for a first time hive mover?=20 Thanks,=20 Andre=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Hello=20 again,=20

Tomorrow I will be moving 3 hives 500km here is what I plan to = do:=20

1. secure the hives in the back of a pick up with a tarp over = them
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the temperature will be around 5-10 celcius.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BF802B.0110F1E0-- Article 23421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark G Spagnolo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dulhb107-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 951573954 4991848 209.254.168.15 (26 Feb 2000 14:05:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:05:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23421 Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for their wintering ability. This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians will do better in most cases! Also, I believe Carni's are more likely to swarm if not managed correctly. They need a lot of room in the Spring as their population will explode quickly. There is some evidence that Carniolans have a better resistence to mites and other diseases, but with the overwhelming number of predators, (SHB, TM resistent foulbrood, both mites, etc.), this resistence is probably too little, even if it does exist! "terry" wrote in message news:88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am hobbiest beekeep in north GA and am interested in trying a new > breed of bee. There is an old timer in the area that says that he likes > Carnolian bees but I wonder if what he really has are Carnolians. His > bees are a very yellow and I understand that Carnolians are a darker > race. My Question: are Carnolians suited to the hot summers of GA? And > Do they have peak numbers in July when the area sourwood is in bloom? > Where is there a good source of Crnln queens in the south east? > > Any experience in these areas is GREATLY appreciated. > > > terry > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark G Spagnolo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:10:56 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <898mtg$2t1a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dulhb107-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 951574256 4991848 209.254.168.15 (26 Feb 2000 14:10:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:10:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23422 Mesquite and acacia trees both live in dry desert areas, but are very easy to tell apart. The Mesquite, which we called Kiawe in Hawaii, is a thorny, scraggly looking tree of medium size. The acacia, which we called a monkeypod, can be a huge towering tree. The mesquite grows in areas too dry for acacia. Mequite honey is very white. Not clear, but white. It granulates very quickly and is often seen with the consistency of butter. It has a mild flavor and sells for a good price. "Old Drone" wrote in message news:v1s2bsgq8at2jokk4viur6jkndprncr2pr@4ax.com... > Dear All, > Can anyone give me an acurate description of the colour, flavour and > properties of this honey. I need to surprise someone with "knowledge." > My books mention it but it is literally just a mention. > ASAP Please. > Thanks in advance, > Pete. Article 23423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:13:03 GMT References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000226091303.14724.00000700@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23423 >... Can I >successfully keep a hive in a shed, so to conceal the fact that I have bees ? > >(I live in an urban area that prohibits beekeeping). Keeping bees in a shed is no problem. We started last spring with two hives in a lean-to shed with corrugated fiberglass roof that I built for that purpose. We recently split them to four hives. In front of the hives is a screen and glass fence about 40 inches high to force the foragers to fly upward more quickly than they would normally do. This is to protect children and others who might walk by. HOWEVER, in your case I agree with Barry. If your city has a law against keeping bees, then you must not do it. Far better in my opinion to learn all you can about the benefits of bees and then educate the city council. With some help from other beekeepers maybe you can get the law changed. Sincerely, Herb Campbell Article 23424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Feeding Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:14:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <898n4l$gqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 24 14:51:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23424 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > A picture is worth 1,000 words. Notice the feeder ring, a super will work > too. > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/fe eding.htm > > My wife just bought me some 2 gallon bags that are about 13 x 15 that work > great. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net A word of caution. In 1998 we tried the ziploc bag method, with one gallon bags as I recall. We had found John's beekeeping site and did it just like his pictures show. But notice all of the bees on top of the bag in one of his photos. In our case so many bees accumulated on top of the bag that their weight pushed it down and several hundred drowned. The Ziploc bag procedure seems to work for many bees, but it sure didn't work for ours. We've gone to the entrance feeders with great success, and we put in a little wintergreen oil to control the mites. Of course here in NW Florida we don't have very many days when the entrance feeders would freeze - none so far this winter! Sincerely, Herb Campbell Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:56:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23425 On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600, "Mark G Spagnolo" wrote: > >Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for >their wintering ability. > >This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians >will do better in most cases! If you have only a spring flow then the carnies are the way to go. > >Also, I believe Carni's are more likely to swarm if not managed correctly. >They need a lot of room in the Spring as their population will explode >quickly. > >There is some evidence that Carniolans have a better resistence to mites and >other diseases, but with the overwhelming number of predators, (SHB, TM >resistent foulbrood, both mites, etc.), this resistence is probably too >little, even if it does exist! > > > > >"terry" wrote in message >news:88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> I am hobbiest beekeep in north GA and am interested in trying a new >> breed of bee. There is an old timer in the area that says that he likes >> Carnolian bees but I wonder if what he really has are Carnolians. His >> bees are a very yellow and I understand that Carnolians are a darker >> race. My Question: are Carnolians suited to the hot summers of GA? And >> Do they have peak numbers in July when the area sourwood is in bloom? >> Where is there a good source of Crnln queens in the south east? >> >> Any experience in these areas is GREATLY appreciated. >> >> >> terry >> >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > > Article 23426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:59:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38b7e9c6.166015096@news1.radix.net> References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23426 On 26 Feb 2000 05:56:54 GMT, gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote: >Hello. I will be new to beekeeping this spring and have a question. Can I >successfully keep a hive in a shed, so to conceal the fact that I have bees ? >(I live in an urban area that prohibits beekeeping). Perhaps I could install >a tube of PVC pipe or another material from the hive entrance to a discrete >hole outside of the shed. > >Thanks for your input. Bees under roof is not a problem. I keep several hives in a shed so that I have access to bees when it is raining etc. You can just leave the door open. They will come and go. Greg the beekeep Article 23427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:38:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23427 The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. not what you would call prime time is it??? JMitc1014 wrote in message +ADw-20000303234923.03271.00000085+AEA-ng-fl1.aol.com+AD4-... +AD4-On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... +AD4- +AD4AIg-Pollinators in Peril+ACI- +AD4- Host: Peter Fonda +AD4- Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our world +AD4-thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these often +AD4-forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role +AD4-they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include +AD4-footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed +AD4-growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native +AD4-bees. +AD4- From a post on another NG. +AD4- It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US beekeepers +AD4-in +ACI-Ulee's Gold+ACI-, and the producers of this program will repeat the +AD4-exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the +AD4-imperiled pollinator movement +ACI-The Forgotten Pollinators+ACI- by Gary Nabhan and +AD4-Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): +AD4- +AD4- +ACo-Speculates+ACo- that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators to +AD4-extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? +AD4- +AD4- Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators +AD4-because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and nectar +AD4-(native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). +AD4- +AD4- Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- in +AD4-North America are native +ACo-everywhere+ACo- in North America there are more than 55 +AD4-species of bumblebees here. A native pollinator in the Northwest is an +AD4-invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from a +AD4-bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive species +AD4-in Massachusetts. +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival +AD4-of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized +AD4-honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been +AD4-successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in those +AD4-areas of the world rival US output for some products. +AD4- +AD4- Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the honey +AD4-bee for outcompeting themwithout mentioning that bumble bees were also +AD4-imported to Australia several centuries ago. +AD4- +AD4- Implies that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- are more benign than honey bees. +AD4-Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by +AD4-hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without +AD4-pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. +AD4- +AD4- Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force +AD4AIg-fearsome+ACI- and +ACI-overwhelming.+ACI- +AD4- +AD4- Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native forage. +AD4-A study of beekeepers in +ACI-The Hive and the Honey Bee+ACI- (Chapter 11) shows the +AD4-majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the arrival +AD4-of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully done: +AD4-Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry on. +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about the +AD4-diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as +AD4-managed or kept colonies are concerned. +AD4- +AD4- Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for one +AD4-trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey bee +AD4-research to alternative pollinator research. +AD4- Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an +AD4-immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this +ACI-fashion+ACI- +AD4-seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the +AD4-latest victim. +AD4- The show airs (Eastern times): +AD4-Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm +AD4- Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am +AD4- Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. Article 23428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aangeboden Message-ID: References: <898tpf$4dvdd$1@reader2.wxs.nl> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 951583895 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:51:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:51:35 MST Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:51:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23428 zoot soot dood In article <898tpf$4dvdd$1@reader2.wxs.nl>, bramborg@planet.nl says... > Ter overname aangeboden bijenstal met vijf gezonde volken in de omgeving van > Groot-Ammers. Met mogelijkheid opslag materialen en reserve delen. Verder > een grote hoeveelheid reservedelen voor kasten, honingslinger, > zonnewassmelter etc, etc. Bram Borg e-mail: bramborg@planet.nl > > > Article 23429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C11926.22A10F70@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 13:58:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 952178281 24.112.144.102 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:58:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:58:01 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23429 Stacker, I am a total newbie here as well, but I can relate what I have been told. A supplier near me in Ontario - F.W.Jones in Toronto, sells 4lb.(pound) packages with two queens. Most of the other retailers sell 3lb. packages with one queen. When I asked some experienced beekeepers if splitting them into smaller hives would cause much of a problem, the consensus was that there would be no problem whatsoever. Just split them into two hives and introduce the queens accordingly. I was going to go this route myself, but managed to find a guy that sells entire hives - woodenware and everything - for almost the same money as the above mentioned 4lb. packages. Good luck with whatever you chose. Yours, Glen Archer - Ontario, Canada. stacker wrote: > > I this is my first year beekeeping on my own and I'm ordering package bees. > My supplier has indicated that they can sell me 4kg packages with two queens > which can be split into 2 hives. This is the first Ive heard of a 4 kg > package. I have reseached the net and cant seem to find any information > about splitting and hiving a single pkg into two separate hives. I am > leaning toward ordering the 4kg pkgs as the cost per hive is less than the > 1kg pkgs and one ends up with twice as many bees. > > Are there any negatives to using the larger pkgs? Does one use any special > techniques to split the pkg into two hives? > > I would appreciate any information or insight this newsgroup can offer...Thx Article 23430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:21:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <89922h$nqe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 26 17:21:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; CS 2000; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.199.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtlawrenceault Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23430 In article <38b7e92b.165860482@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:05:53 -0600, "Mark G Spagnolo" > wrote: > > > > >Carniolans were developed in cold weather areas. They are well known for > >their wintering ability. > > > >This is not to say they won't do well in a warm weather area, but Italians > >will do better in most cases! > > If you have only a spring flow then the carnies are the way to go. > For my purposes, only the sourwood flow which is in July/August is desirable. Terry Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:16:42 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 5 Message-ID: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 952179792 3131 62.136.21.62 (4 Mar 2000 14:23:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Mar 2000 14:23:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23431 I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK based group. Does anyone know of one please? Article 23432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Friday Forecast Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:42:29 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8996so$1lh$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> References: <88jooi$6ha$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.d1.3b X-Server-Date: 26 Feb 2000 18:43:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23432 Sorry about that post, it proves that a meteorologist can't handle reading a newsgroup and sending a forecast at the same time! Mark N. Mark Nelsen wrote in message news:88jooi$6ha$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > Today: > Sunny...Still Smoggy > High: 54 Light Wind > > Tonight: > Clear & Cool > Low: 32 in City, 25-30 outlying areas > > Tomorrow: > Sunny...No Haze...Warmer/Windy > High: 60 Wind: E 15-30 & Gusty > > > Friday: --/54 Sunny > Saturday: 32/60 Sunny > Sunday: 34/56 Partly Cloudy > Monday: 42/52 Showers (use sun w/shower) > Tuesday: 39/51 Rainy > > Article 23433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Regarding Package Bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 14:45:20 GMT References: <38C11926.22A10F70@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000304094520.03548.00000255@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23433 It is reccomended that new beekeepers start with packages because they generally lack the experiance to inspect comb for disease signs. If you have a trusted mentor who will inspect an existing hive for you then by all means go for the bargain. Otherwise start on new equipment from a package. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!tribune.oar.net!not-for-mail From: "nwolfe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:11:30 -0500 Organization: OARnet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.agmc.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23434 My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 at this location survived The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one and the workers threw them out. What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a fair price, before the worms set in? What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Small" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:35:03 -0800 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <89jdg4$7uf$1@ins21.netins.net> References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> <20000229214549.08208.00000439@nso-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ur146.mebbs.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23435 > I am learning what kind of fire ant poision I can put out and kill the ants > with little harm to the bees, but I haven't found the right product yet. Many years ago there was a product called Cyn-o-gas that worked wonders. It was pelletized and released a heavy gas so putting it on the ground eliminated burrowing life. I have not seen it for a very long time and guess that it was removed from the market. Article 23436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The big move Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:33:49 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9983-38B838AD-9@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <898kaq$7ss2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQWYPi55r+BYF1a+DTHEvRSJ+GZdgIUAiPVFsLPOYTWez3J3Zuir+2Ihbg= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23436 Should be no problem as long as bees can breathe. Migratory almond pollinators move hives from Northern Oregon to Northern California in January without much trouble. It is about 400-500 miles. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 23437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <38b6971a.134113999@news.direct.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.193.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 951607543 12.72.193.72 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:25:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23437 My bees tell me ^ngravel@direct.ca^ (Normand) wrote: >Should I try to clean them better (Please tell me how)? I have cleaned such frames by warming them and scraping them down to the mid-rib. Then spraying them with a steam cleaner to get most of the debris out. Followed by a bleach soak to add a little insurance against the possibility of AFB. They are advertised as reusable, so why should we throw them away when they get ugly? Article 23438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B865A7.393B6687@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic frames cleaning References: <38b6971a.134113999@news.direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:27:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.209.185 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 951607654 161.184.209.185 (Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:27:34 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:27:34 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23438 Normand wrote: > Hi you all. I inherited old plastic frames ravaged by waxmoths (all > dead frozen here in Canada) lots of the cells are deformed or > covered with mold because there was honey that got uncapped by wasps > and there was pollen which is wasted. > Normand: If you have already scrapped them down to the midrib, and are concerned about the wax and propolis in the bottom of the cell. Just check with a nail to see if it's loose of hard, if loose don't worry about it, the bee's will clean it up better than you could do. If it's hard you can try washing them down with some warm water, not boiling, too hot a water will make pretzels out of your frames. Just use a stiff bristle brush. If they are inherited, you probably aren't sure if they are disease free. If that is the case make sure you treat with TM when you put the frames on the hives, just pay attention to the frames and the bees. Article 23439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhdavila Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: find where to buy queens in Mexico Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:43:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <899oek$6lh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <88pe41$nsh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <88u1is$b7q$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.235.8.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 26 23:43:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 148.235.8.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhdavila Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23439 Thanks for your info Adam I find one place on that pages to buy frames. Javier Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:08:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952189720 24.92.236.180 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:08:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:08:40 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23440 The WBC hive features an outer "shell" surrounding the hive boxes-proper. There is one "lift" or shell per box , and when stacked up, they give the hive its gabled(?) appearance. The WBC by design uses a lot of material, even if it is more picturesque, and so is considerably more expensive than a single-walled hive. The National is simpler and more practical, being a single-walled hive. An advantage over the Langstroth hive is that the National boxes have "plinths" (I think they are caled) or slats/rails built into the top and bottom of the end-walls, and forming the frame-rests. They provide much more of a grip for handling the boxes than the Langstroth hive's meager hand-hold cutouts. Disadvantages to both WBC's and Nationals is that the bee-space is on the bottom, instead of above the frames, and they both use British Standard frames, which are rather small in area, compared to Lanstroth or other brood frames. One WBC/National brood chamber doesn't quite provide the volume required for the laying capacity of a prolific queen. -J. Amy Moye wrote: > I have read about "WBC" and "National" hives on UK websites. Does anyone > know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. I might want > to purchase or build a few, but do not know much about them. Anyone have > any experience? > Pros / Cons? Article 23441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carnolian Queens? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:36:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38B88DA6.58D124E2@kingston.net> References: <88sdt3$orh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <898mk2$2j6e$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23441 Hi All, I have kept Carnies for several years now. I'm in south eastern ontario. I switched to Buckfast and wasn't as happy. All of the other postes are great. Fast build up in the spring, watch out for swarming, fairly gentle. If you want to expand, there the girls. Mine seemed to be fine through the hot days of summer. The beekeeper where I get mine from gets his stock from Australia. Kent Article 23442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C1457A.2FE1CAE6@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees in Comb References: <20000303184821.02482.00000222@ng-ca1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:11:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952189900 24.92.236.180 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:11:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:11:40 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23442 Just leave the dead bees in the cells as they are. Not worth trying to remove them, at all. A swarm will certainly not be deterred by them remaining in there. Once there are new bees in the hive, they will remove the dead ones and clean everything up in short order. Richard Flanagan wrote: > My friend recently gave me a old hive that had died out during the winter. He > asked me to clean it and help catch a swarm to replish the died bees. My > questio is How do I get the dead bees that are stuck in the comb?? There are > over 300-400 bees in 5-6 frames with their heads stuck in the comb. All died > out beacuse of lack of honey, they starved to death. I am worried about the > smell of dead bees may make to hard for a swarm to enter the old hive. Any > answers will be deeply appreciated. > > Richard Flanagan > > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 23443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 07:14:19 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 952182608 204.244.87.47 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:10:08 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:10:08 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23443 > know where I can find a blowup or dimensions of those hives. Hi Amy, You can find plans for a WBC hive at http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm unfortunately I never used them myself but I hear they are more popular in Europe. Maybe that Irish newsgroup would know more? Good luck. Normand One con is that there isn't much of those around. Article 23444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: "Shari Sanford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:15:06 -0800 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <89jfot$iv8$1@news.monmouth.com> References: <38BAE56E.4DEB8B78@digizen.net> <20000228235844.12648.00000682@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp158.monmouth.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23444 Hey Rob, Here is a site that markets many types of bee related products: http://www.beehive-botanicals.com/ Sounds like you'll be mighty busy this spring! I only have one Top Bar Hive at present that is going strong after our NJ summer drought and rather chilly winter. They are bringing in loads of pollen from somewhere. The crocus in my yard is barely up and the daffy's haven't budded yet. Will be installing a nuc into a 2nd tbh this spring (unless I have to split my 1st hive ). Thinking I'll try making up a propolis tincture myself--got a recipe off this group last year, just waiting to accumulate enough of the stuff to get it going. By the way, my 11 you is attending the Beekeeper's Short course with me this year. Definitely interested in bees ;) Shari Article 23445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 19:29:36 GMT References: <20000228235844.12648.00000682@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000304142936.02598.00000023@ng-fq1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23445 You might want to try Dadant. They have a web page at www.dadant.com as well as a mail order catalog. They have some recipe and craft books. One is specifically soap recipes for $19.50. Another is Beeswax Production, Harvesting, Processing and Products for $15.50. They have a location in Paris texas with toll free number of 877-632-3268. Ron Article 23446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 19:33:14 GMT References: <20000226005654.24201.00001993@ng-ck1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000304143314.02598.00000024@ng-fq1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23446 I would recommend that you try to find locations on other people's property where beekeeping would be allowed. It will cause you some inconvenience of having to travel to your hives, but could cause you less trouble than having to get rid of your hives when found out. Article 23447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C1683F.CBF02B43@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitute References: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:40:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952198812 24.92.236.129 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:40:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:40:12 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23447 P. substitutes are supposed to stimulate greater or earlier brood production. P. supplements are more effective at this (containing a portion of real pollen), being considerably more attractive to the bees. You are apt to see better results if you trap some pollen during the active season, and mix it in with p. substitute before feeding. A common formulation of substitute is expeller-processed soy flour blended with brewers' yeast. Many suppliers now offer other types or versions of feed supplements which contain the required nutrients to enhance early brood production ("Bee-Boost," "Protivy" "Quick-Gro," etc.). If you are in a location where the early pollen sources are abundant (maples, willows, swamp cabbage, etc.) you probably don't need to supply any of this stuff at all. The bees will soon be collecting all they need, so it won't make much difference, and they will prefer to use the fresh pollen even if substitute is in place. If you do go for early pollen sub./supp. feeding, though, make sure there is plenty of honey or syrup in the hive, as the resulting increased brood production will lead to a marked drain on the honey reserves. -J "L.E.G." wrote: > Does anyone have any info on using pollen subs... Pros and cons, > favorites, ect... > 4of the6 oldtimers in the area use it (and I ) and all seem to do > ok..The 2 that do not use it don't talk too much, so it is hard to drag > out info from them. They may use something and just don't say. > Thanks, > L.E.G. Article 23448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:52:26 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23448 >When medicating last fall I forgot to take out the bag of >menthol (he found it inside where I placed it). Could this have caused the >demise of the hive? There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is increased the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get any more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. Worst case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - Actualización Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:10:26 +0100 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.74.85 Message-ID: <38c19748_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 5 Mar 2000 00:07:52 +0100, 195.5.74.85 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.74.85 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23449 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha sido actualizada el 4/3/2000, ascendiendo el número de visitas a 24.104. En el mes de Febrero hemos superado por primera vez la frontera de 3.000 visitas/mes. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Además poseemos dos nuevas colaboraciones enviadas algunos de vosotros. @groPreguntas @groNoticias - 41 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 125 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a cerca de 2.000 de los cuales + 1.000 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades. Se despide atentamente esperando que sean de vuestro agrado nuestra actualización: Javier Soto Vázquez Article 23451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:52:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.99 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952213935 63.17.126.99 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:52:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:52:15 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23451 Thanks for the Reply, Yes I did treat with Apistan in the fall. With that I did follow the diretions to the letter. I also put a tetryciacin (spelling?) patti in as well. I thought I did all the right things. I guess in the mild winters they are more active so need more stores. I am learning as I go. Tomorrow I go and do a post mortum on the hive. I hope (if this is a hope I guess) that they starved as I want to start a new family in the now defunct hive. Now my problem is to discover exactly what happened so I don't repeat it in the futuer. Also, I am wondering what type of bee to get. THis hive was italians but I would like to try something else. Any suggestions would be great. Midnite, Starline or buckfast is what I am looking at.... Thanks Again, Gabe in PA >There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. >Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is increased >the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get any >more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. Worst >case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? > > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: New television show/bees Lines: 152 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:47:24 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952220712 203.37.7.69 (Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:45:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:45:12 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23452 If the quote that commercial type bees arrived in Australia several centuries ago is correct as taken from the program. Then I suggest that this may well sum up the scientific accuracy of the program generally as this type of bee arrived on HMS Scarborough in 1822 which 178 years hardly several hundred. But then if you don't like honeybees or Apiarist then what is the difference between 400-500 and 178 from what I can see of the usual published "scientific" papers then near enough is good enough even 200+ years on an easily verifiable date -- Barry Metz Jenn C wrote in message news:sc248i1kee6166@corp.supernews.com... > The show airs (Eastern times): > Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm > Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am > Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. > > not what you would call prime time is it??? > > > > JMitc1014 wrote in message +ADw-20000303234923.03271.00000085+AEA-ng-fl1.aol.com+AD4-... > +AD4-On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... > +AD4- > +AD4AIg-Pollinators in Peril+ACI- > +AD4- Host: Peter Fonda > +AD4- Birds, bees, bats and insects pollinate the food crops that keep our > world > +AD4-thriving. Actor Peter Fonda will explore the fascinating world of these > often > +AD4-forgotten but crucial and overlooked animals, to discover the critical role > +AD4-they play in keeping ourselves and our world flourishing. Should include > +AD4-footage and interviews with UT cherry and apple growers, WA alfalfa seed > +AD4-growers, NJ cranberry growers and more, with a considerable focus on native > +AD4-bees. > +AD4- From a post on another NG. > +AD4- It will be interesting to see if Fonda, who did great PR for US > beekeepers > +AD4-in +ACI-Ulee's Gold+ACI-, and the producers of this program will repeat the > +AD4-exaggerations and mischaracterizations of that seminal document of the > +AD4-imperiled pollinator movement +ACI-The Forgotten Pollinators+ACI- by Gary Nabhan > and > +AD4-Stephen Buchmann. Some points to consider (pardon my long-winded rant): > +AD4- +AD4- +ACo-Speculates+ACo- that honey bees may have driven some native pollinators > to > +AD4-extinction in North America and elsewhere. Proof please? > +AD4- +AD4- Implies that honey bees are more inefficient than native pollinators > +AD4-because they groom pollen from their bodies and mix it with saliva and > nectar > +AD4-(native pollinators like the bumblebees do this too). > +AD4- +AD4- Propagates the unexamined fallacy of thought that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- > in > +AD4-North America are native +ACo-everywhere+ACo- in North America there are more than > 55 > +AD4-species of bumblebees here. A native pollinator in the Northwest is an > +AD4-invasive species in the East. A farmer or gardener who buys bumblebees from > a > +AD4-bio-supply company in Michigan may be introducing a whole new invasive > species > +AD4-in Massachusetts. > +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the > arrival > +AD4-of the Africanized honey bee. A closer examination of where the Africanized > +AD4-honey bee comes from (Africa and South America) shows the bees have been > +AD4-successfully kept and managed for generations. The beekeeping industry in > those > +AD4-areas of the world rival US output for some products. > +AD4- +AD4- Recounts the plight of Australian native pollinators and blames the > honey > +AD4-bee for outcompeting themwithout mentioning that bumble bees were also > +AD4-imported to Australia several centuries ago. > +AD4- +AD4- Implies that +ACI-native pollinators+ACI- are more benign than honey bees. > +AD4-Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by > +AD4-hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without > +AD4-pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that. > +AD4- +AD4- Fearmongers about honey bees by calling the size of the foraging force > +AD4AIg-fearsome+ACI- and +ACI-overwhelming.+ACI- > +AD4- +AD4- Says honey bees outcompete native pollinators for their own native > forage. > +AD4-A study of beekeepers in +ACI-The Hive and the Honey Bee+ACI- (Chapter 11) shows > the > +AD4-majority of their harvest comes from introduced plant species. > +AD4- +AD4- Says beekeeping, both as a hobby and an industry, is doomed by the > arrival > +AD4-of exotic mites. Beekeepers will do what they have always successfully > done: > +AD4-Develop new management practices with the help of USDA scientists and carry > on. > +AD4- > +AD4- +AD4- Talk about the diseases and parasites of honey bees and not talk about > the > +AD4-diseases and parasites of native pollinating insects, at least in so far as > +AD4-managed or kept colonies are concerned. > +AD4- +AD4- Concludes that because honey bees in this country may be doomed for > one > +AD4-trumped-up reason or another, money should be redirected away from honey > bee > +AD4-research to alternative pollinator research. > +AD4- Unfortunately, recent trends in the U.S. have included an embrace of an > +AD4-immigrant-bashing mentality (blame it on the foreigners). Sadly, this > +ACI-fashion+ACI- > +AD4-seems to have jumped over to the world of insects with the honey bee as the > +AD4-latest victim. > +AD4- The show airs (Eastern times): > +AD4-Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm > +AD4- Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am > +AD4- Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am. > > Article 23453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:04:57 GMT References: <20000303234923.03271.00000085@ng-fl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000304210457.03536.00000320@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23453 <<> Bumblebees will chew out the base of a flower evolved to be pollinated by hummingbirds and other large pollinators to get at the nectar there without pollinating the flower. Honey bees won't do that.>> I offer the following long quote from an article published by the Environmental News Network last year as a graphic example of this: Researchers investigate nectar-robbing bees. Thursday, July 22, 1999 Evironmental News Network Danger may loom for the lovely, red, trumpet-shaped blossoms of the scarlet gilia, a Rocky Mountain plant, according to researchers from the University of Vermont. They say the flower's nectar is in jeopardy because bumble bee "thieves" have been preventing sprightly hummingbirds from pollinating the gilia. Past studies have shown that nectar robbing may in fact have a positive effect on the reproductive success of a plant. Some robbers can unknowingly aid in a plant's pollination when they brush up against floral reproductive structures. In this study, published in the July issue of Ecology, researchers Rebecca E. Irwin and Alison K. Brody wanted to know if nectar robbing was detrimental to the scarlet gilia. To study the bee's effects on the gilia, the researchers first studied the method by which the robber steals nectar from the plant's blossoms. They found that the bee uses its spiky, toothed mouth parts to chew a hole through the side of the corolla, the petals that surround the inner parts of the flower. The bee then sucks the nectar out of this hole through a long, snout-like proboscis. While this method provides ample nectar for the bee, there is none left for other winged creatures, such as the hummingbirds that migrate through the region. The bee thieves also fail to pollinate the plant, a process that would likely occur after a visit from a hummingbird. Pollination in the gilia occurs only through interplant pollen transfer. For successful pollination to occur, the pollen of one plant must be transferred to the stigma of another, where it can fertilize the ovule and form seeds. Nectar robbing, therefore, has the potential to be highly damaging to the plant's reproductive success, the researchers say. Since individual gilia plants bloom only once, estimates of lifetime reproductive success can be measured in a single season. The researchers measured the rate of pollen transfer between the scarlet gilia plants by placing dye particles on flowers to imitate pollen. The number of dye particles deposited on flowers was compared in plants with low and high robbing rates. This was associated with the amount of pollen transferred by pollinators. They found that highly-robbed flowers donated and received fewer dye particles, indicating that less pollen transfer was occurring among those plants which were visited often by nectar robbers. "The most probable explanation for the reduced fitness of nectar-robbed scarlet gilia is that these plants attract less pollinators," said Irwin. "Hummingbirds tend to avoid plants that are highly robbed, and visit less flowers on those plants. Our study shows that nectar-robbing does decrease reproductive success in the scarlet gilia, further research will elucidate the effect of floral larceny on the evolution of floral traits." Article 23454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Message-ID: References: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 952232009 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:53:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:53:29 MST Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:53:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23454 My guess is they starved. I always thought that was dumb, too, that bees would starve even though there was plenty of honey. I guess you can rake it open for them, but in any event this winter I tried giving my colony as much sugar water as they wanted to take. I put the sugar water in Bee Bob's two quart sized upside down plastic pail with holes in the top, and they would go through it in a week or 10 days. Yesterday I discovered that the pail had developed a crack so that the vacuum was bad and all the sugar water ran into the hive within probably a minute; but the bees don't seem any the worse for wear for it, and now they have begun to enjoy the plastic bag feeder method which can be used in a pinch. I guess feeding the bees is not a bad idea. I was thinking that it would be best if they just subsisted off nectar and pollen and then later nurished themselves off their own honey and pollen, but what'r u going 2 do? In article , Redshrike@worldnet.att.net says... > Thanks for the Reply, > > Yes I did treat with Apistan in the fall. With that I did follow the > diretions to the letter. I also put a tetryciacin (spelling?) patti in as > well. I thought I did all the right things. I guess in the mild winters they > are more active so need more stores. I am learning as I go. Tomorrow I go > and do a post mortum on the hive. I hope (if this is a hope I guess) that > they starved as I want to start a new family in the now defunct hive. Now my > problem is to discover exactly what happened so I don't repeat it in the > futuer. Also, I am wondering what type of bee to get. THis hive was italians > but I would like to try something else. Any suggestions would be great. > Midnite, Starline or buckfast is what I am looking at.... > > Thanks Again, > Gabe in PA > > > >There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. > >Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is > increased > >the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get > any > >more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. > Worst > >case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? > > > > > >Robert Williamson > >Southeast Texas Honey Co. > >P.O. Box 176 > >Vidor, Tx. 77670 > >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > > > Article 23455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 4.54.51.198 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Best Queen for Western Virginia Lines: 8 From: leggsafton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0a98dc30.214f0f4a@usw-ex0104-031.remarq.com> Bytes: 394 X-Wren-Trace: eIaji4qT1J7VypeJhMeUnJuWn4KXh9WwjY+dn4qAkIiHhdLH3IjG3MTS083Zn80= Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:45:44 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.31 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 951777688 10.0.2.31 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:41:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:41:28 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23455 I am needing to requeen a hive where the queen is not laying much of anything. I noticed Kelly listing Italians but also a russian and another type of queen as being Varroa tolerant. How do they compare? Which should I get? Thanks. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:29:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38b93758.251409136@news1.radix.net> <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951778103 nnrp-14:14197 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23456 In article <20000227200643.14207.00002146@ng-ce1.news.cs.com>, Robert Williamson writes >3. Does anyone have any recipes for beeswax polishes or creams. I haven't got the book to hand, but from memory this one has some. If the group doesn't come up with more, I'll have a look in our library and see what I can dig out. This is my year to make and sell some. White E.C., Super Formulas (Arts and Crafts), Valley Hills Press, 1993 -- James Kilty Article 23457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversing hives Message-ID: <38bb1a38.5476054@news.usit.net> References: <38b9cd18.37743947@news.usit.net> <20000228011612.00870.00002383@ng-de1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:06:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 951786384 216.80.168.254 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:06:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:06:24 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23457 I live in southwest va.. On 28 Feb 2000 06:16:12 GMT, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: >where are your hives located? It's kinda hard to answer specific bee questions >if we don't know where your hives are. > >Laura Article 23458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversing hives Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:58:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38BB199E.EFC1F222@kingston.net> References: <38b9cd18.37743947@news.usit.net> <20000228080620.14749.00002445@ng-fh1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23458 Hi all, Right on Kevin. Reversing is done if you find the queen is up laying in the top box in the spring. I've had Carnies that where so large that the brood nest already spanned both boxes. These hives I split. However, the Buckfast where smaller and some were in the top box while in others the queen was laying in the bottom already. So only the hives with the queen laying up top were reversed. This is only one type of the swarm prevention. Depending on other variables (such as comb honey production) will decide what else you will need to do to convince the ladies that your place is the best for them. I love hearing my more southern friends talk about the first pollen and nectar flow. Here in Ontario we still have 2 months to go. Best of luck to all in the coming season. Kent Article 23459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversing hives Message-ID: <38bb1ad6.5633674@news.usit.net> References: <38b9cd18.37743947@news.usit.net> <20000228080620.14749.00002445@ng-fh1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:09:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 951786598 216.80.168.254 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:09:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:09:58 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23459 thanks for the respond. I didn't go down into the hive but, there was bees covering three frames in the top box on the hive that swarmed at least twice last year. On 28 Feb 2000 13:06:20 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>I still don't feel comfortable reverseing hives. > >Hi gang, > >I kinda wanted to jump on the wagon here just a min. >The process of reversing hives is not just a every hive thing. You have to >inspect your hives in the early spring late winter and see if it's needed. > >I went through 17 hives last Sat. Of the 17 only 5 needed reversing. >If the queen is laying in the bottom box and everything looks ok then do not >reverse. >If you do reverse and it's not needed you will be causing the problem that >reversing is designed to prevent !!! > >Oh Btw, NO HIVE BEETLES FOUND !!!!!! > >Yahooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 23460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in Shed ? Message-ID: References: <951692259@zbee.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 951790529 216.100.16.35 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:15:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:15:29 MST Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:15:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23460 All things are possible except for a husband to be an authority figure in his own house in this day and age in the USA. The incident you cite would have had to have occurred at least 50 years ago. In article <951692259@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com says... > Yes and no. Yes, plenty of people keep hives in sheds successfully and it is > the standard method in parts of continental Europe. No, you are unlikely to > keep it secret for long; somebody (probably you) will talk. However I have > heard of a lady who kept bees in the attic of her house without the knowledge > of her husband who had said she shouldn't have bees so all things are possible. > Chris Slade > > --- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > Article 23461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:13:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <89tq29$cq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Mar 05 14:13:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.158 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23461 In article <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Freddie Cooke" wrote: > I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the > activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK > based group. Does anyone know of one please? > > Perhaps someone at the following list can help you. Irish Beekeeping discussion list - http://IrishBeekeeping.listbot.com Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C27547.9985C647@usit.net> From: "Harry J. Bowie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitute References: <38C028A9.DCFB3B61@crosslink.net> <38C1683F.CBF02B43@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:57:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.146.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 952268225 216.80.146.109 (Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:57:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:57:05 EST Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23462 JGinNY wrote: > A common formulation of substitute is expeller-processed soy flour blended > with brewers' yeast. I have located a source of soy flower that is not expeller-processed or chemically processed. The mill claims that it is milled on metal wheels (stones). Would this flour be ok to use for bee feed? Harry Article 23463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killer bees in australia? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:22:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23463 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000303/od/bees_1.html Friday March 3 12:07 PM ET Swarm of Bees Attack Woman, Child SYDNEY (Reuters) - A swarm of bees attacked a mother and her baby in Sydney, killing the woman and stinging the child more than 50 times, police said. Maryanne Savor, 38, and her year-old daughter Natalie were playing on the front lawn of their Sydney home Thursday when thousands of bees kept in hives in the garage swarmed over them. Savor tried to run inside her house, but collapsed at the front door and died, probably from a toxic reaction to the multiple stings. Her baby was found crying at her feet and rushed to hospital in a serious but stable condition. ``I have never seen a bee attack as bad as this before,'' Dr Alyson Kakakios, who treated the baby, said Friday. Police and ambulance officers who rescued the baby were also badly stung by the bees, but were treated in hospital and released. A beekeeper called to the house said the eight hives inside Savor's garage each contained up to 80,000 bees. It was not known why the bees attacked. Article 23464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killer bees in australia? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:22:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23464 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000303/od/bees_1.html Friday March 3 12:07 PM ET Swarm of Bees Attack Woman, Child SYDNEY (Reuters) - A swarm of bees attacked a mother and her baby in Sydney, killing the woman and stinging the child more than 50 times, police said. Maryanne Savor, 38, and her year-old daughter Natalie were playing on the front lawn of their Sydney home Thursday when thousands of bees kept in hives in the garage swarmed over them. Savor tried to run inside her house, but collapsed at the front door and died, probably from a toxic reaction to the multiple stings. Her baby was found crying at her feet and rushed to hospital in a serious but stable condition. ``I have never seen a bee attack as bad as this before,'' Dr Alyson Kakakios, who treated the baby, said Friday. Police and ambulance officers who rescued the baby were also badly stung by the bees, but were treated in hospital and released. A beekeeper called to the house said the eight hives inside Savor's garage each contained up to 80,000 bees. It was not known why the bees attacked. Article 23465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952302326 nnrp-14:3194 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23465 In article <38C144C4.5D4805F0@hotmail.com>, JGinNY writes >Disadvantages to both WBC's and Nationals is that the bee-space is on the >bottom, instead of above the frames, and they both use British Standard >frames, which are rather small in area, compared to Lanstroth or other brood >frames. Bee space can be on top for Nationals. Just order the design. The frame size is fine for the commonly non-prolific British bee. Most colonies will not fill either the 10-frame WBC or 11-frame National, though you'll get an arch of pollen or "bee bread" in the first super which may be removed for the summer flow. In case of rapid build-up, a two box system can be used as is common with the Italian or Buckfast bees in the USA. However, if you choose a more prolific bee, it is best to go for a larger hive, like the Langstroth, Modified Commercial (like a larger National with the same area and short lugs) or the Dadant or Modified Dadant (au Adam) or even the Jumbo National (14"x12" cf 14"x8"). I prefer the National as I can make them easily from plywood and I select for near native characteristics. After all, the UK honey record is by a native bee and the colony was never moved. I have some odd ones I was given with 14"x14" frames which allow me to use a smaller number of frames and expand if the queen needs it. All the larger hives also give this freedom to use a dummy board to follow the bees needs. Wintering with 2 dummy boards improves insulation and allows better circulation of air. The double-walled hives are useful in very wet and windy climates (like my own!) as the bees are always well insulated. But they are so cumbersome to move. I know quite a few beekeepers who swear by the Smith hive, which, like the Langstroth and Modified Commercial, have short lugs and top bee space and the same size as the National. They are the quickest to sort through according to one of the Newsgroup. (He must speak for himself). I will dig out references to the plans which are available from several sources. Groupies in North America might find it strange that in the UK we have native designs, modified this and modified that, but on the Continent, as we say, there are lots more varieties than here. -- James Kilty Article 23466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stock evaluation cooperators wanted Date: 5 Mar 2000 20:26:48 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <89v1go$g29$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: Beekeeping in Eastern USA Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23466 Hello. This post is geographically specific to the Mid-Atlantic USA. I'm looking for a few good beekeepers! I need help evaluating crosses. Here's the situation: This Spring, we're planning on making crosses of specific lines. We're selecting for anti-varroa factor. From in-press work, Harbo has shown that through selection, stocks of bees may be selected for traits protecting them against varroa mites. It's more than likely that the hot new "Russian" bees the USDA has made available to breeders and beekeepers express these traits. What we're looking for are beekeepers within a tolerable driving distance of Metro Maryland/DC that would like to help us evaluate stock for it's potential anti-varroa factor. You'd need to pick up the queens from Maryland (mailing them isn't possible, sorry) and follow our establishment methodology. Once established, you'd need to perform the varroa assays we're working on, record the data, and store it safely until the evaluation is done. We'd then ask for the data at season's end, and maybe get together for a meeting and some fun. And you get to keep your queen. Our goal: to assess the methodology and feasibility of selection for anti-varroa factors in the honey bee population, and to support other beekeepers, bee breeders and biologists concerned about our LACK OF CONTROL in the agricultural realm of beekeeping in the USA. Background: We're testing honey bee stock from the HIP program (Kudos to Jack Griffes) see: http://Griffes.tripod.com/HIP1.html Jack has created and mentored a grassroots, cooperative honey bee selection program. He coordinates beekeepers, bee breeders, and University faculty in this forward-thinking and creative project. We've also obtained stock from Dr.John Harbo, Baton Rouge, USDA bee breeding lab. John provided us with some excellent stock from his anti-varroa selection research (in press). We'll be making crosses in May and June. The queens we'd need evaluated will be daughters from II (instrumentally inseminated) queen mothers. I'm working on the assay to test the queens. Drop me an email if you think you'd like to participate, or if you have any questions, comments etc. Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: killer bees in australia?-- I DON"T THINK SO Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <_TDw4.8$677.226471970@news.interact.net.au> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:34:28 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952306298 203.37.7.73 (Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:31:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:31:38 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23467 Hardly "Killer Bees" my information was that the bees concerned were garden variety Apis Melifera, and as yet the exact reason for the attack is unknown. However I feel I could put a few reasonable theories all of which would preclude any unnatural ferocity on the part of the bees. This tragic incident is not appropriate for any of the Media Hysteria that has surrounded it so far, nor have the knee jerk reactions by local politicians helped. -- Barry Metz Teri Bachus wrote in message news:sc52s5t5ee660@corp.supernews.com... > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000303/od/bees_1.html > > Friday March 3 12:07 PM ET > > Swarm of Bees Attack Woman, Child > > SYDNEY (Reuters) - A swarm of bees attacked a mother and her baby in > Sydney, killing the woman and stinging the child > more than 50 times, police said. > > Maryanne Savor, 38, and her year-old daughter Natalie were playing on the > front lawn of their Sydney home Thursday when > thousands of bees kept in hives in the garage swarmed over them. > > Savor tried to run inside her house, but collapsed at the front door and > died, probably from a toxic reaction to the multiple > stings. Her baby was found crying at her feet and rushed to hospital in a > serious but stable condition. > > ``I have never seen a bee attack as bad as this before,'' Dr Alyson > Kakakios, who treated the baby, said Friday. > > Police and ambulance officers who rescued the baby were also badly stung by > the bees, but were treated in hospital and > released. > > A beekeeper called to the house said the eight hives inside Savor's garage > each contained up to 80,000 bees. It was not > known why the bees attacked. > > > Article 23468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:32:53 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <29938-38C30AC5-47@storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQCZGGDMoFTmjouONivXH8ZszbAgQIVALYhiCVvvE82SFygBEYq6GAQauMl Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23468 Article 23469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Pam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just saying thanks. Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1987-38BE8450-17@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38BC3D3B.70A98FBD@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhlYpm0z+gmrmSUOqlu+JdXmrENYCFCqVDKNVIIjJHhWUY6QwCXJxxfpg Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23469 Try calling 1-800-233-2899 and getting a catalog from the Walter T. Kelley Co. They are in Kentucky and sale bees and supplies. They have dealt in bees and supplies for 76 years. They ship from Zone 2 through 8. Pam Article 23470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 19:08:35 GMT References: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000302140835.01313.00000134@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23470 I think if you use 5 mesh screen in the pollen trap you starve the bees But 7 mesh lets about 1/2 get through. Can't find where I saw it referenced but it stuck in my memory Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free hive for interested beekeepers Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:56:21 -0600 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-150-65.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 952314979 92936 207.229.150.65 (6 Mar 2000 03:56:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 03:56:19 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23471 FYI in southern California. > From: ABBcmpsr@aol.com > Subject: RE: Free hive for interested bee keepers > > Hello > > I have a hive of bees that has settled in my roof. I live in southern > California and I was hoping that you might know of someone who would want to > take them off my hands. > > Thanks > > Adam Barry -- Information Service www.beesource.com www.bee-l.com Article 23472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38C3490F.3A97A2F3@cybertours.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:58:39 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.227 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.227 X-Trace: 6 Mar 2000 00:48:58 -0500, 209.222.109.227 Lines: 21 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.227 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23472 Greetings! Bee article Page:http://www.mainebee.com has been updated. List of articles: 1)ABF Workshop 2)Special Edition 3)March Enjoy -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:39:48 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <89vkga$imb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-119.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 952325450 19147 62.136.78.119 (6 Mar 2000 06:50:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 06:50:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23473 Not sure that I understand - but if you are looking for UK beekeepers then there are quite a number of us here! paulhirst wrote in message news:89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk... > If there's not much on this, what chance in uk? > Paul Hirst hobby beekeeper Yorkshire > > Article 23474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.myxa.com!iad-feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!news.donbass.net!news.taide.net!news.dnttm.ro!not-for-mail From: "Jabba" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: good european beekeeping job site wanted Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:45:58 +0200 Organization: Dynamic Network Technologies Timisoara Lines: 9 Message-ID: <89vuoo$9v3$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> Reply-To: "Jabba" NNTP-Posting-Host: ls.datagroup.ro X-Trace: nebula.dnttm.ro 952335960 10211 193.230.233.2 (6 Mar 2000 09:46:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.dnttm.ro NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 09:46:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23474 Hi all, I am retired and looking for a job in the beekeeping, where I have extended experience.Can somebody recommend a good european site containing releted things? Thank you, Jabba Article 23475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: schembari3@aol.com (Schembari3) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Science Mentors Needed Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Mar 2000 06:40:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000305014008.03184.00000342@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23475 Hello All. I am a High School Biology Teacher in Sleepy Hollow, NY. Additionally, I teach a Scientific Research Class in conjunction with SUNY-Albany. The students take this course over a three year period, eventually conducting an original scientific experiment. As a part of this project, students must work with a professional mentor. I am looking to develop a network of professionals in the NYC metro area (1 hr from NYC) who would be willing to act as mentors. Current research topics include: Bacterial degradation of PCB's in sediment deposits, Transmission of Fatal-Familial Insomnia, Suicide Gene Therapy, The role of MHC in xenotransplant rejection, Rapid-cycling Bipolar Disorder Treatment Strategies, Limb Deformity Phenomenon in Amphibians, and The Role of Vitamin Deficiencies in Vitiligo. The final paper from the last topic can be viewed at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/vitiligoresearch/finalpaper.html So, If you are interested in becoming a mentor, please e-mail me with Your name, organization, mailing address, phone number, and area of specialty. Thanks for your help Angelo Schembari Sleepy Hollow HS Article 23476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!korova!korova.insync.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01a.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:57:06 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38BD7612.941E9568@mwci.net> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23476 It's really hard to say what happened in your hives this winter from the info given, but you did put in your Apistan strips way to late. The strips need warm temps to be completely effective and although it was warm the day you put them in, it would have been the middle of December before you took them out. We always try to get our strips in the first week in September. Of course, we lose the fall flow, but the bees put that to good use and we have to feed very little in the fall. We've found that the key to wintering is large stores and large clusters here in northern Iowa. That and adequate and timely medication. Good luck this year! chris sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com nwolfe wrote: > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > at this location survived > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > and the workers threw them out. > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > fair price, before the worms set in? > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do i need to treat? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:02:55 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <25806-38C3BA8F-21@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAg6uz+Ha5tECFUnz/3WrUR7cHqtsCFGA1uj3t3GxzJQJVM2TirWRR+aib Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23477 I live in southwest VA. I have four stands of bees. One stand is Buckfast, the other three are Italians. I have been feeding them for 3 weeks.The Buckfast is super strong, it has about 15 frames of bees. All the rest have 7 or 8 frames of bees. I have been feeding them a 1-1 sugar syrup.Yesterday, I got in them to feed them and I pulled some frames to see how my girls are doing.To my surprise, they had brood everywhere.There was a lot of drone brood, so I uncapped some of it. I could not find any mites. I treated them with Apistan last fall. Do i need to treat them again this spring? Article 23478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: good european beekeeping job site wanted Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Mar 2000 15:10:28 GMT References: <89vuoo$9v3$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306101028.02109.00000386@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23478 >I am retired and looking for a job in the beekeeping, where I have extended >experience.Can somebody recommend a good european site containing releted >things? Check at http://www.apiservices.com/ in France Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: THE BIG MOVE Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:39:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.162.132 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 952360788 206.172.162.132 (Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:39:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:39:48 EST Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23479 Last week, I posted that i was moving 3 hives 600 km+ and asked for any more advice on top of what I was preparing. Some one wanted and update, here it is: The weather was 6°C and we left at 1pm and arrived at 8pm. we left the truck until morning. The next day I extremely relieved to see all hives were well. It has been over a week now and the bees are getting used to their new home. Thanks for all the advice! -- André Article 23480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <25806-38C3BA8F-21@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Do i need to treat? Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.206.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952362713 12.72.206.96 (Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23480 You shouldn't be surprised. There is brood everywhere because of your feeding 1:1. You should be looking for queen cells and begin your swarm prevention now as it sounds like they may be preparing. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Rodney Moore" wrote in message news:25806-38C3BA8F-21@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I live in southwest VA. I have four stands of bees. One stand is > Buckfast, the other three are Italians. I have been feeding them for 3 > weeks.The Buckfast is super strong, it has about 15 frames of bees. All > the rest have 7 or 8 frames of bees. I have been feeding them a 1-1 > sugar syrup.Yesterday, I got in them to feed them and I pulled some > frames to see how my girls are doing.To my surprise, they had brood > everywhere.There was a lot of drone brood, so I uncapped some of it. I > could not find any mites. I treated them with Apistan last fall. Do i > need to treat them again this spring? > Article 23481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring in New England Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:52:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306165256.02215.00000280@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23481 Bees sighted working crocus blooms today (March 6) with full pollen sacks in suburbs of Boston. Cheers, John Article 23482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!not-for-mail From: David Watson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Giant gumtree honey Date: 6 Mar 2000 23:09:54 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8a1ds2$smv$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: solo.ned.dem.csiro.au User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.5.1 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23482 You might like to read about eucalyptus honey from south west Australia http://www.gumforest.com/red_river/high_honey.html dave@gumforest.com Article 23483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:25:04 GMT References: <89jdg4$7uf$1@ins21.netins.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000301212504.21245.00000307@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23483 > I am learning what kind of fire ant poision I can put out and kill the >ants >> with little harm to the bees, but I haven't found the right product yet. > >Many years ago there was a product called Cyn-o-gas that worked wonders. It >was pelletized and released a heavy gas so putting it on the ground >eliminated burrowing life. I have not seen it for a very long time and >guess that it was removed from the market. > > The only product I know that is similar, and that I use is diazanon. It activates with water and forms a heavy gas. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38C44FCA.4E956007@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:39:38 -0500 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Provide a Water Source...how? References: <8845rv$si8$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <20000226104347.01196.00000582@ng-fu1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.73.117 X-Trace: 7 Mar 2000 00:45:10 GMT, 32.100.73.117 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.prserv.net!32.100.73.117 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23484 I've used a 1/4 inch copper line. I put a "T" on one of my outside taps. One side of the "T" has another spigot, the other I used reducers to bring it down to accept the 1/4in line. I ran the line out to an area with some shrubs an have the water just drip onto a pile of stones. The bees can drink all they want off the stones and the excess water drips into the shrubs. It drips enough just to keep the rocks moist. I guess you could get a drip irrigation system from your local home builder supply store. It would do about the same. I still get bees that gather on a hemp door mat at my back door. This year I might have the water drip onto an old piece of carpet. Al Welk / Atlanta, GA KB6UDA wrote: > Maybe something along the lines of a drip irrigation system might work. It > could drip onto some sort of surface the bees can easily land on. Set the drip > so that evaporation is such that there is no real build up of water. > > I have never raised bees so I do not know if this is practical of not. > > Good Luck Article 23485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring in New England Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:52:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38c4523a.1567943@news1.radix.net> References: <20000306165256.02215.00000280@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23485 On 06 Mar 2000 21:52:56 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Bees sighted working crocus blooms today (March 6) with full pollen sacks in >suburbs of Boston. >Cheers, >John Some of my hives have a half super full of maple pollen and nectar here in Maryland. Lots of capped drone brood. I plan on making up nucs in another week or so. They are pulling whit wax and smell soooo good! Greg the beekeep Article 23486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:39:08 GMT References: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000301213908.21245.00000309@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23486 >Hi, I did find an internet site which listed one handcream recipe. It >is the one from the book by Elaine White. Here it is: > >Skin Cream >2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax >4 ounces (weight) lanolin >2/3 cup baby or mineral oil >3/4 cup water >1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) >Fragrant oil (optional) > >Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and >water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is >melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil >mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the >mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth >jars. > >This is a nice cream, but, the lanolin really makes it smell like a >barnyard. I definitely use the fragrant oil (I use almond) to cut the >smell of the lanolin. Give it a try !! > >Good Luck, >Paul Hi Paul thanks for the recipe... One Question I have though is about the fragrant oil. I understand that most fragrant oils like almond have a tendency to turn rancid. Have you experienced that problem? How long does it keep? Thanks Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dissappointment Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 03:00:56 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38bdd8ff.2130953@news.tco.net> References: <89j3bf$hen$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000301213908.21245.00000309@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23487 Robert; Have you looked at Andy's Book ( Andy Passed Away about a year ago) at http://beenet.com/pollen.htm >What is the effectiveness of your trap. Mine is under 50% >A hive must have between 1 to 1.5 pounds of pollen per day this time of year to >survive on. So you don't want too effective of a trap. > >Has anyone left their pollen traps active for an lengthy duration at one time. >So far the longest that I have left them on is for five days straight and went >in to study. I found ample pollen stores and 12 frames of brood including eggs. >I am worried about taking to much pollen from them because the result is the >canibalization of brood for protein and the Queen ceasing to lay eggs. Has any >one else had this problem. I left a trap on for over 90 days last summer with no ill effects to that hive. > >How does one prevent moisture damage to the pollen if you let the traps go >unattended for say a week? Is there a way? In your weather conditions I would say no. Even in the dry 14 to 20% wearher we have in Northern CA. any build up of over 1/2" in the screen tray and it starts to sour. That is about all I can add. Dan Red Bluff Ca 41.10 N 122.25 W Article 23488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring in New England Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 02:27:40 GMT References: <38c4523a.1567943@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306212740.02076.00000351@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23488 >Some of my hives have a half super full of maple pollen and nectar >here in Maryland. Lots of capped drone brood. I plan on making up >nucs in another week or so. They are pulling whit wax and smell soooo >good! Caution is advised. Cold weather is not over yet, and there is usually a dearth between maple and other spring flowers. I'm not saying not to do it (I've made early nucs myself), but it's a much bigger gamble, and usually nucs made a little later will catch up quickly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.news.aol.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hefty Pollination Contract Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 04:10:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000306231046.02128.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23489 At the Pollination Home Page is a listing of beekeepers available for pollination (are you listed yet?), and a less-used list of growers who need bees. One new grower listing is looking for 1500 hives in Wisconsin this season. Take a look, if you think you could supply this. Dave Green http://pollinator.com Article 23490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.skycache.com!dagobah.blueriver.net!not-for-mail From: roy ballard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:16:33 -0800 Organization: acme Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C4ACD1.1011BE3A@blueriver.net> References: <89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk> <89vkga$imb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: roy@blueriver.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-slm-02-18.blueriver.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dagobah.blueriver.net 952402714 10046 209.43.66.82 (7 Mar 2000 04:18:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@dagobah.blueriver.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2000 04:18:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23490 Peter Edwards wrote: > Not sure that I understand - but if you are looking for UK beekeepers then > there are quite a number of us here! > > paulhirst wrote in message > news:89s7bc$1ul$1@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk... > > If there's not much on this, what chance in uk? > > Paul Hirst hobby beekeeper Yorkshire > > > >Do you have many hives? How are they doing? The drought last summer did not do ours much good. Varroa mites, tracheal mites and now the threat of African hive beetles are making it difficult for the honeybees. Article 23491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New television show/bees NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Mar 2000 18:01:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000307130119.16138.00002510@ng-fc1.aol.com> Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23491 Barry wrote: <> The assertion about when bees arrived in Australia should not be attributed to the program. That was not my source. On honey bees, Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann wrote in 1996 in "The Forgotten Pollinators": "Two hundred years ago, the Australian continent was irrevocably disturbed by the arrival of English colonists bringing with them a few souvenirs of their British homeland: rats, sheep, cattle, and various birds. One of the animals brought Down Under was the European honeybee, one more means of domesticating an unfamiliar landsdcape, reshaping it in the image of Northern Europe." For the bumblebee's arrival in Australia, I have a turn-of-the-century nature writer, Neltje Blanchan, who says they were introduced some time prior to 1900. It's been brought to my attention that that information is suspect, and I won't be quoting it again without further research to discover what Blanchan's source was. The points I elaborated upon in my original post were responses to contentions made or implied in "The Forgotten Pollinators," and other problems I see with the fashion for native pollinators, like chauvinism and jingoism about native pollinators in the US—attended by a fair amount of honey bee bashing. "The Forgotten Pollinator" calls the honey bee a colonizer and a conqueror, destroying and displacing. I call the honey bee an immigrant seeking peaceful co-existence. I have not seen the program, and I reserve judgement upon it until I can see whether its treatment of honey bees will be fair and impartial. Cheers, John Article 23492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: good european beekeeping job site wanted Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:31:36 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38C56728.5CA34ED5@club-internet.fr> References: <89vuoo$9v3$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-50-12.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 952461281 25775 213.44.50.12 (7 Mar 2000 20:34:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2000 20:34:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23492 Try visiting the site under the name of APISERVICES.
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Peter. Article 23493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!n00zpHeed.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:25:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Lines: 66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23493 On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor wrote: > I was informed by Steve Taber, who > recently left France to return to his southern > roots. What southern roots is that? > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > generally marketed around > the world, does not > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > Black Locust in North America. as far as I can tell there are no "Black Locust" growing in Texas, maybe by another name, but I can't find a reference. > In its pure form from certain origins it is > truly excellent. > Murray McGregor I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) which is predominate around here along with another "Mesquite" which everyone agrees is Mesquite but is not called an acacia but is related to the pea family (Prosopis glandulosa, P. juliflora, P. pubescens, and others) but also produces delicately scented blooms (and will bloom two or three times in wet summers) and is visited by bees. On good (wet) years, (a good year would have 24 inches -61 cm.) an important nectar plant is the Catclaw Acacia (Acacia greggii) Wright's Acacia (Acacia wrightii) Roemer Acacia (Acacia roemeriana) and Whiteball Acacia (Acacia texensis) and Huisache, pronounced wee satch, (sweet acacia) which is rather rare excepting below the cap rock, (High Plains of Texas) but down south below San Antonio where there are large groves of Huisache, (unless the Texas A&M advice has been followed by the local landowners to kill them, and other native brush out, because they "compete" with the ground water and grass for cattle) that produce a honey considered a great delicacy because of it's superior qualities and uncertain production owning to the usual drought conditions that prevail. As Locust trees go, they are good honey producers but not necessarily around me. We have a "honey Locust" (Gleditsia triacanthos) which every year on May 8 blooms for about a week and is covered with bees. It is a fine tree and if you're patient, in twenty to twenty-five years it will be around 15 feet tall. In other places that have a water table, they do much better. C.K. Article 23494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Small" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:01:49 -0800 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8a44vu$10p$1@ins20.netins.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ur179.mebbs.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23494 > > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > > generally marketed around > the world, does not > > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > > Black Locust in North America. Is this the black locust that has clusters of thorns? Article 23495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:25:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23495 On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor wrote: > I was informed by Steve Taber, who > recently left France to return to his southern > roots. What southern roots is that? > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > generally marketed around > the world, does not > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > Black Locust in North America. as far as I can tell there are no "Black Locust" growing in Texas, maybe by another name, but I can't find a reference. > In its pure form from certain origins it is > truly excellent. > Murray McGregor I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) which is predominate around here along with another "Mesquite" which everyone agrees is Mesquite but is not called an acacia but is related to the pea family (Prosopis glandulosa, P. juliflora, P. pubescens, and others) but also produces delicately scented blooms (and will bloom two or three times in wet summers) and is visited by bees. On good (wet) years, (a good year would have 24 inches -61 cm.) an important nectar plant is the Catclaw Acacia (Acacia greggii) Wright's Acacia (Acacia wrightii) Roemer Acacia (Acacia roemeriana) and Whiteball Acacia (Acacia texensis) and Huisache, pronounced wee satch, (sweet acacia) which is rather rare excepting below the cap rock, (High Plains of Texas) but down south below San Antonio where there are large groves of Huisache, (unless the Texas A&M advice has been followed by the local landowners to kill them, and other native brush out, because they "compete" with the ground water and grass for cattle) that produce a honey considered a great delicacy because of it's superior qualities and uncertain production owning to the usual drought conditions that prevail. As Locust trees go, they are good honey producers but not necessarily around me. We have a "honey Locust" (Gleditsia triacanthos) which every year on May 8 blooms for about a week and is covered with bees. It is a fine tree and if you're patient, in twenty to twenty-five years it will be around 15 feet tall. In other places that have a water table, they do much better. C.K. Article 23496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:25:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23496 On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor wrote: > I was informed by Steve Taber, who > recently left France to return to his southern > roots. What southern roots is that? > Only one snag with the above. Acacia honey, as > generally marketed around > the world, does not > come from acacia plants. > It actually comes > from Robinia pseudacacia (sp?), or the false > acacia. I > have been told that it is known as > Black Locust in North America. as far as I can tell there are no "Black Locust" growing in Texas, maybe by another name, but I can't find a reference. > In its pure form from certain origins it is > truly excellent. > Murray McGregor I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) which is predominate around here along with another "Mesquite" which everyone agrees is Mesquite but is not called an acacia but is related to the pea family (Prosopis glandulosa, P. juliflora, P. pubescens, and others) but also produces delicately scented blooms (and will bloom two or three times in wet summers) and is visited by bees. On good (wet) years, (a good year would have 24 inches -61 cm.) an important nectar plant is the Catclaw Acacia (Acacia greggii) Wright's Acacia (Acacia wrightii) Roemer Acacia (Acacia roemeriana) and Whiteball Acacia (Acacia texensis) and Huisache, pronounced wee satch, (sweet acacia) which is rather rare excepting below the cap rock, (High Plains of Texas) but down south below San Antonio where there are large groves of Huisache, (unless the Texas A&M advice has been followed by the local landowners to kill them, and other native brush out, because they "compete" with the ground water and grass for cattle) that produce a honey considered a great delicacy because of it's superior qualities and uncertain production owning to the usual drought conditions that prevail. As Locust trees go, they are good honey producers but not necessarily around me. We have a "honey Locust" (Gleditsia triacanthos) which every year on May 8 blooms for about a week and is covered with bees. It is a fine tree and if you're patient, in twenty to twenty-five years it will be around 15 feet tall. In other places that have a water table, they do much better. C.K. Article 23497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To feed or not to feed Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:12:50 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 952441719 204.244.87.78 (Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:08:39 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:08:39 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23497 I have been reading lots on the subject but I am still perplexe... To do it the bee way and let them figure it out themselves was my first thought and also seemed to be the least work as long as the bees have enough supply left in the fall... But then, If I don't feed I understand that I may miss the major flow and then have too many bees when the flow is over wich will deplete the stores too fast... Something to do with inducing the queen to lay faster. This is my first wintering and so far my 5 hives are doing fine except for one which was a secondary swarm (or afterswarm?) And that I tried to winter against all your good advice. I started feeding it yesterday and the future will tell. I am in BC Canada 100mi. North of Vancouver, Bees have been flying on sunny days for the last month. Dandelions usually come in bloom about mid-april here. Thank you Normand. Article 23498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:39:00 GMT References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000307203900.02107.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23498 Those things are wax moth larvae. You can give the comb back to a new colony of bees and they will clean the moths right out. Moth larvae are only a problem in abandoned comb or in colonies that are too sick to resist them. No problem for strong colonies. Article 23499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Silk worm type things Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:11:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23499 my first hive left me about a month ago. they were an established hive that i captured. then left where they were for a couple of weeks then i mowed them home. a couple of days later they had all left. now today when i looked at the honey comb (it seems they had taken most of the honey with them) today there were little white inch worms in the comb so im wondering why the bees left and what are these parasites I just caught a swarm today ( yea my second hive) i used a new box ( how do i keep them from leaving or becoming infected?) Article 23500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Barry Meltzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie feeding question Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 02:13:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 952481622 24.128.21.130 (Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:13:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:13:42 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23500 I have seen several feeding methods in the books and discussed in this group. Is there any reason I couldn't just put a large plastic container (Tupperware or other) of sugar syrup (with a float or ramp inside) on top of the top frames, surround it with an empty super and then just put the cover over that? Thanks, Barry Article 23501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen bottoms and Fire Ants Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 03:23:21 GMT References: <38bc818e_2@news3.paonline.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000307222321.01315.00001311@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23501 >Is there anyone on the NG who uses screen hive bottoms in an area with where >Fire Ants are located? >If so, do the ants bother your bees? > >William >North GA Mtns. > > > > > > > > Miksa from Lake County Florida, we have several thousand colonies in our area with screen bottom boards on pallets, no one has found any increase fire ant problems. Some beekeepers use 4x4 mesh some 8x8 mesh we use 6x6 have been for ten years since finding out it helps cut down varroa populations. Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 23502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Your Name" Subject: re beeswax receipes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf88b9$44b05f80$29cda7cb@setup5> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:44:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.167.205.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 952490698 203.167.205.33 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:44:58 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:44:58 NZDT Organization: CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23502 hi, about that receipe that was posted using baby or minral oil. Mineral oil doen't soak into the skin, it justs sit on top as a greasy mess I always use almond or peach kernal oil. If they're too pricy, use a vegetable oil, preferably cold pressed, which will feed the skin with vits A & D, but even a overprocessed salad/cooking oil would be preferable to baby oil. I always melt the oils/waters together in a water bath so they are the same temperature, & also wax over a direct heat can be very dangerous! Please email me if you want other receipes, i've got plenty. jenny Article 23503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C5D1C3.DFCF3AF2@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie feeding question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:06:27 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.106 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 952487852 206.253.50.106 (Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:57:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:57:32 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23503 Barry Meltzer wrote: > I have seen several feeding methods in the books and discussed in this > group. > > Is there any reason I couldn't just put a large plastic container > (Tupperware or other) of sugar syrup (with a float or ramp inside) on top of > the top frames, surround it with an empty super and then just put the cover > over that? > > Thanks, > Barry If the weather is cool it is best to feed the bees by placing the container over the inner cover hole, then placing and empty hive body over it. I have used a large coffee can with the plactic lid.. Punch a few holes in the plastic lid, in a circle motion, fill the can with the sugar syrup, put on the lid, place it over the inner cover hole. Check it the next day to make sure it is draining ok. Article 23504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Your Name" Subject: question re BEESTINGS Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:26:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.167.205.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 952489607 203.167.205.41 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:26:47 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:26:47 NZDT Organization: CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23504 TO ALL BEEKEEPERS HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? jenny watson Article 23505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:04:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38c63399.2560054@news1.radix.net> References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23505 On 08 Mar 2000 01:11:12 GMT, ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) wrote: >my first hive left me about a month ago. >they were an established hive that i captured. >then left where they were for a couple of weeks >then i mowed them home. >a couple of days later they had all left. >now today when i looked at the honey comb (it seems they had taken most of the >honey with them) >today there were little white inch worms in the comb >so im wondering why the bees left >and what are these parasites >I just caught a swarm today ( yea my second hive) >i used a new box ( how do i keep them from leaving or becoming infected?) I think they all went fishing. Greg the beekeep Work is for people that don't know how to fish. Article 23506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38C63D0D.72C01BF7@together.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 06:44:13 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-231-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 8 Mar 2000 06:59:44 -0500, dial-231-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 34 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-231-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23506 Jenny-I am a beekeeper with 1000 colonies. Have two daughters, both of whom have been stung a number of times. My younger had a reaction last September. You're right, it is scary. We are only 5 minutes from the hospital, but it was still nip and tuck. She starts venom therapy tomorrow. She was tested for venom allergy last week. I asked the MD about her allergy/being in a beekeeping family. He told me that 1 in 10 members of beekeeping families develope allergic reactions to bee venom. In the general population it is 1 in 100 to 200. Trouble is that they don't receive enough bee stings, but are exposed to the venom on the beekeepers clothes. This causes the m to develop the wrong kinds of antibodies(simplified version). Gaelen will be receiving very weak solution of venom-once a week for awhile, and then less often for about two years. When the treatment period is over, she has to receive regular bee stings(several times a year). This is a good reason all you hobbyists to shed your gloves, and receive enough venom to keep your immune system in good order. Hope this answers some of your questions. Mike Your Name wrote: > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > jenny watson Article 23507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:31:26 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952493237 203.37.7.123 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:27:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:27:17 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23507 I suspect that they may be the larvae of wax moth, If you've only a couple of hives then perhaps you might be best to pick the grubs out by hand rather than contaminate the comb with an insecticide. If you use an insecticide then the wax will be toxic to bees for some weeks unless you can air the frames for a couple of days after using an insecticide -- Barry Metz IJimbo2 wrote in message news:20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com... > my first hive left me about a month ago. > they were an established hive that i captured. > then left where they were for a couple of weeks > then i mowed them home. > a couple of days later they had all left. > now today when i looked at the honey comb (it seems they had taken most of the > honey with them) > today there were little white inch worms in the comb > so im wondering why the bees left > and what are these parasites > I just caught a swarm today ( yea my second hive) > i used a new box ( how do i keep them from leaving or becoming infected?) Article 23508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:34:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 952522446 204.186.129.86 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:34:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:34:06 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23508 Send your questions to Theo Cherbuliez tcherbuliez@cyburban.com He is a MD with the American Apitherapy Society and will have the latest info. Good Luck! Your Name wrote in message news:01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5... > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > jenny watson > Article 23509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:21:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <8a5nkb$j2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000304165226.03240.00000215@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.138.65.222 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 08 14:21:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.138.65.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtlawrenceault Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23509 I would use caution with the Midnight breed. I have had some very bad luck with the breed. Granted, I am a very small hobbyist, but it sounds like you are as well so maybe I am not out of order to caution you. Last summer I requeened two of my hives with Midnights and both have died since. My italians are still alive and thriving. I am in N. GA. and requeened during a honey flow and both queens took but neither prospered. In article , "Gabe" wrote: > Thanks for the Reply, > > Yes I did treat with Apistan in the fall. With that I did follow the > diretions to the letter. I also put a tetryciacin (spelling?) patti in as > well. I thought I did all the right things. I guess in the mild winters they > are more active so need more stores. I am learning as I go. Tomorrow I go > and do a post mortum on the hive. I hope (if this is a hope I guess) that > they starved as I want to start a new family in the now defunct hive. Now my > problem is to discover exactly what happened so I don't repeat it in the > futuer. Also, I am wondering what type of bee to get. THis hive was italians > but I would like to try something else. Any suggestions would be great. > Midnite, Starline or buckfast is what I am looking at.... > > Thanks Again, > Gabe in PA > > >There is absolutely no way that a bag of menthol could cause a hive to die. > >Menthol is not harmful to bees. With a mild winter bee activity is > increased > >the hive could have eaten all their stores and not have been able to get > any > >more or they could have gotten weak and been torn apart by another hive. > Worst > >case would be Varroa. Did you treat for them? > > > > > >Robert Williamson > >Southeast Texas Honey Co. > >P.O. Box 176 > >Vidor, Tx. 77670 > >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: i need a smoker Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:25:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000308122500.02153.00000027@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23510 anybody wanna sell me one also is that liquid spray smoke anygood? Article 23511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Bruce and Chris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead hives Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:41:36 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bngrb102-30.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23511 Hello to all- A question from a novice: On our first spring hive check, we found both hives dead. There seemed to be enough food present, but the capped honey had a chalky gray, sort of moldy appearance to it which was also seen on parts of the frames as well. We had a fairly mild winter here (Maine) and I thought that we had provided ample ventilation. But who knows, we apparently did something wrong. Any thoughts? Your experienced thoughts are most welcomed. We can't wait to get going again soon. Thank you, Bruce Wilson Charleston, Me sbeam@bangornews.infi.net Article 23512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> Subject: Re: Dead hives Lines: 31 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952543383 12.72.48.155 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23512 A hive without bees will mold. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Bruce and Chris" wrote in message news:38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net... > Hello to all- > > A question from a novice: On our first spring hive check, we found both > hives dead. There seemed to be enough food present, but the capped > honey had a chalky gray, sort of moldy appearance to it which was also > seen on parts of the frames as well. We had a fairly mild winter here > (Maine) and I thought that we had provided ample ventilation. But who > knows, we apparently did something wrong. Any thoughts? Your > experienced thoughts are most welcomed. We can't wait to get going > again soon. > > Thank you, > > Bruce Wilson > Charleston, Me > sbeam@bangornews.infi.net > Article 23513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:46:24 GMT References: <8a5nkb$j2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000308184624.03560.00000998@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23513 >I would use caution with the Midnight breed. I have had some very bad >luck with the breed. I have had good luck with the Midnites I have gotten from Yorks nice crop reasonably mellow bees nice dark color. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:13:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23514 On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >A hive without bees will mold. > >-- >Geo It will also make a nice colony of bees if you add a package or a swarm. Greg the beekeep Article 23515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8a5nkb$j2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000308184624.03560.00000998@ng-cl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: oh well.. dead bees Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:50:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.17.126.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952566640 63.17.126.170 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:50:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:50:40 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23515 Thanks for the responses. I did what research I could and talked/emailed some friends. I have since decided on Buckfast as they were recomended. I only keep one hive and so try to do the best I can with what little I have. My last hive was Italians which did pretty well except this winter. I think there demise was partly my fault in that I treated a bit late in the year with my apistan. Hopefully I learned a lesson and will do better with my new hive. Thanks again for the advice. Gabe New Jersey Article 23516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.98.98.64!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey barrels Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:21:02 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-71.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 952572135 15495 208.232.214.71 (9 Mar 2000 03:22:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Mar 2000 03:22:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23516 Hello guys, I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions preacher Article 23517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:19:23 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 952575671 209.90.4.228 (Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:21:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:21:11 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23517 > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but Could you describe what you mean by anaphylactic shock? Some people don't really have a good grip on what it is. They will confuse a very strong reaction to a sting, with ana... shock when it is not really. Strong reactions don't really require a shot. But people just go ahead and shoot themselves or family because they get scared. I'm not saying he did not have it; I just want to know what actually happened and the time frame. John Article 23518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:43:31 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <9Z81+CAjY1x4EwHP@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952596346 nnrp-02:29552 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 43 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23518 In article , "C.K." writes > >On 25-Feb-2000, Murray McGregor > wrote: > >> I was informed by Steve Taber, who >> recently left France to return to his southern >> roots. > >What southern roots is that? This quote is wrongly attributed to me here. I do not know Steve Taber(although I do like his writings) and have never corresponded with him. Thus there is no point in challenging me about the availability or otherwise of Black Locust in Texas because I just do not know if it grows there or not. What I do know is that the honey marketed around the world as acacia is normally Robinia pseudacacia, and not any of the true acacias. It is a native North American tree which has been spread by man to many areas, including much of central Europe to China. Many references have been made by other posters to this being known as Black Locust in its native range. Where exactly its native range is in North America is something for others who know better to post about. >I would just say that White Thorn Mesquite or >Mescat Acacia or Lorgoncillo (Acacia constricta) ............large snip for sake of brevity........... >water table, they do much better. > >C.K. Naturally I do not dispute any of this and find it very interesting indeed. I have tasted catsclaw honey and liked it greatly, and it is probably the one of those you mention which has most of a reputation beyond the US. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 23519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid bee smoker Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:54:17 +0300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip48.parma.ru Message-ID: <38c7adf0@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 9 Mar 2000 17:20:15 +0300, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!rosnet!news.glas.net!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip48.parma.ru Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23519 Me interests liquid bee smoker. But at us in Russia it do not sell. Someone can has its recipe? Andrey Article 23520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C7B0D5.CF46DC74@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:58:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 952610301 24.112.144.102 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 05:58:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 05:58:21 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23520 Try this one - it seems simple enough. http://www.beesource.com/plans/melter.htm Hope this helps, Glen. "André Patry" wrote: > > I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans > to build a simple one? > > Thanks, > -- > > André Article 23521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Mar 2000 15:50:03 GMT References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000309105003.03538.00001281@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23521 Check ot this set of plans and instructions - http://members.aol.com/beetools/solar.htm Article 23522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey barrels Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:56:36 GMT References: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000309125636.22016.00000523@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23522 >I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions >preacher Check with local food processors, bakeries, etc. Those who bottle fruit juice often get their concentrate in drums. I've bought hundreds that way for $2 apiece, sometimes even free, when they were overstocked. You may find a candy maker small enough to still use corn syrup from drums, though most use tankers and tanks. I'd stay away from those that have held vegetable oil. It'll cost more to clean it out than the drum is worth. Local salvage dealers may also have leads or even have drums. I bought a couple of stainless steel drums once for $10 apiece. Made good tanks. Just make sure all drums are food grade, and no chemicals have been kept in them. If plastic is okay, check soft drink bottlers. Usually one of their employees contracts to buy all, then you must buy from the employee. They'll run around $10 for 55 gallon. I don't use these for honey, but for feed syrup. Many states have a market bulletin with classified ads. Drums are frequently found under miscelaneous. Ours is online at: http://www.state.sc.us/scda/mkt_bulletinv2.html Or check your state. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Article on CNN about using honey for healing Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:07:23 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38C7E85A.4E3C6073@netins.net> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-18-233.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23523 Here is an article I came across on CNN' news site posted on 8 March, 2000. It describes how doctors are once again looking into using honey to help heal external wounds. http://cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/alternative/03/08/honey.healing.wmd/index.html Article 23524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Caldwell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey barrels Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:00:51 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23524 Dennis, I saw plastic 55 gallon drums at Wal-Mart for sale for $25.00 a piece before Y2K for water storage. Maybe they still have some at one near you. Try looking there. Regards, Dave "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote in message news:8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net... > Hello guys, > I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions > preacher > > Article 23525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:43:21 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1943-38C7FED9-39@storefull-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRiNOKM7eC8MMxdMEjzjTnOKS0LnQIUYmyG5m/aVbbElaPKUfGXaomUfpM= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23525 Difficult to say what may have happened based on your description. I wintered 4 hives this winter (my first) and they are doing well as of Monday here in NW Oregon. In the fall, I had strong hives with honey/sugar syrup stores of at least 60 pounds. I fed sugar syrup in the fall and over the past 6 weeks even though some honey in the hives. Medicated with coumaphos, fumidil, and TM in the fall. Left lids propped with smal sticks for venilation. Put entrance reducers on. Factors to consider: Were any dead bees around? When/What were the conditions on your last check? Were your hives queenright going into winter? How strong were hive populations in the fall? Were there any signs of disease or pests at that time? DId you medicate in the fall? To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 23526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:52:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.162.167 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 952638737 206.172.162.167 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:52:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:52:17 EST Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23526 Thanks! -- André André Patry wrote in message news:0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com... > I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans > to build a simple one? > > > Thanks, > -- > > André > > Article 23527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Article on CNN about using honey for healing Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:01:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38C7E85A.4E3C6073@netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952645473 nnrp-12:19523 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23527 In article <38C7E85A.4E3C6073@netins.net>, David writes > >Here is an article I came across on CNN' news site posted on 8 March, 2000. It >describes how doctors are once again >looking into using honey to help heal external wounds. In hospitals in the UK, bandages with honey are used routinely in many cases to speed up healing. -- James Kilty Article 23528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:22:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38c8402f.2500295@news1.radix.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> <38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23528 On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:10:27 -0500, Bruce and Chris wrote: >Thanks for the comments. Can I re=use these frames as is or do they >require some kind of cleaning/disinfecting? > >Bruce and Chris > The bees will clean it up. Greg the beekeep Article 23529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C815AC.4443E66E@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:20:44 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> <38C63D0D.72C01BF7@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn25.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 952654331 23625 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23529 Got Mine Today L.E.G. Michael Palmer wrote: > Jenny-I am a beekeeper with 1000 colonies. Have two daughters, both of whom > have been stung a number of times. My younger had a reaction last September. > You're right, it is scary. We are only 5 minutes from the hospital, but it was > still nip and tuck. > She starts venom therapy tomorrow. She was tested for venom allergy last > week. I asked the MD about her allergy/being in a beekeeping family. He told me > that 1 in 10 members of beekeeping families develope allergic reactions to bee > venom. In the general population it is 1 in 100 to 200. Trouble is that they > don't receive enough bee stings, but are exposed to the venom on the beekeepers > clothes. This causes the m to develop the wrong kinds of antibodies(simplified > version). > Gaelen will be receiving very weak solution of venom-once a week for > awhile, and then less often for about two years. When the treatment period is > over, she has to receive regular bee stings(several times a year). > This is a good reason all you hobbyists to shed your gloves, and receive > enough venom to keep your immune system in good order. > Hope this answers some of your questions. Mike > > Your Name wrote: > > > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > > jenny watson Article 23530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor wanted Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:04:24 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38C86638.92ECB3D1@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-105.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 952658220 5524 216.176.151.105 (10 Mar 2000 03:17:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:17:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23530 I'm looking for a good, used stainless steel honey extractor that's motorized. I'm a small hobbyist with no more than ten hives. I live in Indiana so something from the midwest or south would be preferable. Please email me At chowell@netnitco.net Thanks, Chad Howell Article 23531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor wanted Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:05:54 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38C86692.B553D88A@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-105.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 952658306 24092 216.176.151.105 (10 Mar 2000 03:18:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:18:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23531 I'm looking for a good, used stainless steel honey extractor that's motorized. I'm a small hobbyist with no more than ten hives. I live in Indiana so something from the midwest or south would be preferable. Please email me At chowell@netnitco.net Thanks, Chad Howell Article 23532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C790CA.8FA99EC4@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Reply-To: thombrad@visi.net Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey barrels References: <8a75d7$f47$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:54:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 06:54:15 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23532 A.I. Root and Dadant both sell the drums you are looking for. Thom Chesapeake, VA Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > Hello guys, > I am looking for a place to buy 55 gal drums for honey. Any suggestions > preacher Article 23533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C792E9.66A9F09@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Reply-To: thombrad@visi.net Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie feeding question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:03:20 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23533 Barry, I have used, in the past, plastic tool totes from Walmart. I catch them on sale for about $2.00. They are stackable and convenient. You may be able to find some that will fit inside a super vice deep and most will fit under a medium. Under the handle is open and in weather where they can break cluster for a couple of hours, they will come up through the center just fine. However, bees will drown like this. To lessen this effect- Scratch the walls very well with a rasp or similar device to allow them a footholds on the plastic. Place wood or similar objects on top of the liquid in the bins. On top of this place cloth paper towels, or screen material to float on top of the liquid. Do not allow the material to drape over the side as it will wick all the fluid right out of the bin. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Barry Meltzer wrote: > > I have seen several feeding methods in the books and discussed in this > group. > > Is there any reason I couldn't just put a large plastic container > (Tupperware or other) of sugar syrup (with a float or ramp inside) on top of > the top frames, surround it with an empty super and then just put the cover > over that? > > Thanks, > Barry Article 23534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Melter Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:29:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.162.74 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 952604988 206.172.162.74 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:29:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:29:48 EST Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23534 I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans to build a simple one? Thanks, -- André Article 23535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Bruce and Chris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:10:27 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bngrb103-04.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23535 Thanks for the comments. Can I re=use these frames as is or do they require some kind of cleaning/disinfecting? Bruce and Chris honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:23:03 GMT, "George Styer" > wrote: > > >A hive without bees will mold. > > > >-- > >Geo > It will also make a nice colony of bees if you add a package or a > swarm. > > Greg the beekeep Article 23536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:36:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.54.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 952670194 24.67.54.247 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:36:34 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:36:34 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23536 Hi all!! First I want to thank those that answered my last post a cpl of weeks ago..your information was very helpful. I am getting ready to build some frames for my hives and have a few questions that i hope someone can help me out. I have stand size supers and am trying to decide what is the best route for me as hobbist to go for building some new frames 1) A local supplier will sell me knock down frames with are pre-cut and have to be assembled. Anyone care to share their experience with me...I am leaning toward purchasing the knockdown frames rather than buying lumber and making my own..I am guessing that although it may be a bit more costly to purchase precut components the time savings is worth the extra expense. 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. I have read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? I plan to build 300 frames...how many pounds of plain foundation will I need? as well how much wire do I need to build this many frames? My supplier sells wire in a 500 g or 3 Kg pkg...how much will i need? 3) I am also considering making some extra honey supers and have noticed that all of hte literature suggests using box joints to construct the supers. I would like to use a rabbit joint and build the supers out of 3/4 inch plywood. Will this material and the joint tye be strong enough or should I build them out of solid stock and use box joints? I would appreciate any insight anyone has to offer on this...and thanx in advance for you help on this. I should also mention that I have found this newsgroup provides a wealth of information that otherwise wouldnt be accessible to newbies like myself. Article 23537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon1.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: enfieldbees Subject: hives on farms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Lines: 15 Bytes: 783 X-Originating-Host: 63.23.105.27 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eJi9lZSNyoDL3I2emsqQl4yChr2ZmdSCk5GD1ZKDjJjBzZbLxZbcxsHXzso= Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:26:02 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon1 952655236 10.0.2.50 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:27:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:27:16 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23537 I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. Comments? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:26:29 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8aapj3$109i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 952691107 33074 209.130.165.60 (10 Mar 2000 12:25:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 12:25:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23538 Hi enfieldbees: We keep bees in the middle of corn country! However, we have excellent stands of basswood and much sweet clover in road ditches or the occasional alfalfa field that sometimes blooms...cross our fingers the farmer can't get in to cut due to rain or his busy schedule :-). Look to see what else blooms (and approx bloom dates) in a 2-3 mile radius of the farm. I would also advise that you not expect much honey from some fruit bearing blossoms (ie apples). We have pollinated for a large apple orchard in our area and if not for the dandelion and basswood the bees would starve in that particular locale. If you put bees in orchards, I would be more concerned with chemicals there than the corn fields. It is necessary (in the case of the apple grower) that he contact us before sprays. There is a nasty chemical he uses after the blossoms set fruit so it is important we move the bees out! As far as a contract? It might be good idea. Its funny how some people blow off your services...as in the case of our apple grower. We've provided excellent service and have had a good working relationship...until now. He is being turned in for collection this week and he won't see any of our bees at work in his orchard this year. It may be that he is experiencing bigger financial problems than we know, too. Best to look into a pollination contract. May I ask where you are located? --Busybee enfieldbees wrote in message <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com>... >I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to >expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in >a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng >some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their >properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like >corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I >restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not >polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract >like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. > >Comments? > > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 23539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 27 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4hay4.3422$Q76.232851@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 952709312 12.72.48.126 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:28:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23539 You should also consider plastic foundation. No wiring and it lasts forever. Assemble your frames and snap them in. Grooved bottom and top bars work best. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "stacker" wrote in message news:SJ0y4.110045$up4.1699090@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... > > 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring > the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. I have > read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with > out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? > What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? > I plan to build 300 frames...how many pounds of plain foundation will I > need? Article 23540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.50.225.33!news.servint.com!not-for-mail From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:29:33 -0500 Organization: ServInt - This Is It Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38C9693D.7D54334C@digizen.net> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.22.32.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.servint.com 952709005 725 216.22.32.206 (10 Mar 2000 17:23:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.servint.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 17:23:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23540 If you want the farmers to pay you for pollination... a contract wouldn't be a bad idea. If you want them to let you put your hives on their land, but don't expect money to change hands, a written contract may be a little off-putting to some people who otherwise might have been happy to have your bees. How about sending a friendly letter confirming the arrangement... without the formality of a signed contract? enfieldbees wrote: > I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to > expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in > a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng > some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their > properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like > corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I > restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not > polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract > like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. > > Comments? > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:05:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38c8d605.40857554@news1.radix.net> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23541 On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:26:02 -0800, enfieldbees wrote: >I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to >expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in >a residential neighborhood. Therefore I am thinking of approachinng >some local farmers to ask if I can keep a few hives on their >properties. Most of the farms around here grow corn. Do bees even like >corn? Should I be worried about the chemicals they use? Should I >restrict myself to fruit growers? Do I need a written contract (I'm not >polinating for money at this point)? I was thinking of using a contract >like the one outlined in the Feb '98 issue of Bee-Culture. > >Comments? > Run an ad in the local news paper "FREE HONEYBEES." You will have all the places to keep bees you want. Be picky, put them where they will do best, be easy to get to, etc. I find big vegetable farms to be the best. Especially the ones that let the brocolli bloom before plowing them under. Greg the beekeep Article 23542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question re BEESTINGS Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:05:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8aaku1$6td$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.194 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 10 11:05:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.194 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23542 Dear Jenny, Michael is right. We often hear of beekeepers who have gotten so good at their job that they no longer get stings. Then one or more sends them into shock. Getting plenty of stings is very cheap insurance for a beekeeper. If we use crawling bees that are near the end of their life anyway it doesn't even waste any bees. Bee stings never used to bother me but I had gone some twenty years without one. Then in 1998 one bee sting on a finger caused severe local itching and swelling. After about 30 minutes both palms were itching and the swelling was moving up to the back of my right hand. After an hour my entire hand was swollen and I felt a little dizzy. So it was an allergic reaction but not full blown anaphylactic shock. Twenty- four hours later the hand looked like a blown up rubber glove and the swelling was above my wrist. The next day it had moved on up to the middle of my forearm, with the swollen part twice normal size. The third day it reached my elbow. Then it started down. I was surprised to see that the finger went back to normal first and then recovery moved up. In March of 1999 we bought 2 colonies and my first sting caused a similar reaction but this time it was on the left hand and the swelling didn't quite reach the elbow. That's when I decided to go through a desensitization procedure described by Pat Wagner, "The Bee Lady", beelady@olg.com on the Apitherapy List at Apither-L@sci.fi Her procedure worked fine and I'm becoming fairly immune to bee stings now. They still hurt of course but no ill effects. In fact I think they are beneficial. Crawling bees provide enough venom with 4 or 5 stings a day to keep me immune and help my arthritis. Yesterday we collected a swarm and I got stung about thirty times with no problems. That makes over 300 stings so far this year and I feel great. Sincerely, Herb In article <01bf88b7$0a28c520$29cda7cb@setup5>, "Your Name" wrote: > TO ALL BEEKEEPERS > > HI, we are 2nd year beekeepers with 4 hives. We have both been stung a few > times, but a couple weeks ago, my husband was stung on the end of the > finger & because it was so painful he ran it under cold water which put him > into full blown anaphalactic shock - pretty scary when you're 40mins from > any hospital!! Anyway we got him the adrenalin in time, but could anybody > whos interested please send me eveything they know about beestings? Build > up of sensitivity over time, natual treatments, how to lessen sensitivity - > is it about buiding immunity or is there more to it? > jenny watson > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Contact us: av@rada1.saratov.su Article 23545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK - Brede Valley Queens Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:37:27 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ac499$2mj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-75.antimony.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 952734825 2771 62.136.42.75 (11 Mar 2000 00:33:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Mar 2000 00:33:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23545 Do any UK readers of this newsletter know where I can buy Brede Valley Queens? I have bought them in the past and they produce the most amazing calm bees that can be safely kept in city gardens - they are a joy to handle but unfortunately I have lost the address. Thanks Article 23546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees on TV Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:16:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000310221622.02079.00000996@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23546 << On Turner Broadcasting Wildlife Adventures this March.... "Pollinators in Peril" Host: Peter Fonda The show airs (Eastern times): Wednesday, March 21, 2000 10:05pm-11:05pm Monday, March 27, 2000 1:15am- 2:15am Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:25am- 3:25am >> According to my calendar March 21st is a Tuesday, not a Wednesday. I called the station and checked that it would indeed be airing Tuesday. The show should also be a bellwether for whether billion-dollar Ted (see below) has been misled by honey bee bashers like "The Forgotten Pollinator" authors, who have wrongly characterized the honey bee as a sort of threat to the "natural world." As a conservationist, environmentalist and beekeeper, I'm quite upset about this. With a stated goal of "All we're doing is allowing the ecosystem to be as natural as possible," my hope that this show will treat the immigrant honey bees fairly and impartially is going down. I wonder if Ted knows about all those non-native bumble bees, alfalfa leaf-cutter bees and Orchard Masons that are being shipped around the country? Or how about that new pollinator, the Japanese horn-faced beetle, that was introduced by a USDA scientist (Barta) in 1990? Sure didn't here about it from "The Forgotten Pollinator" crowd, who have arbitrarily and selectively chosen to villify the honey bee. Omaha World-Herald, December 27, 1998, Sunday SUNRISE EDITION SECTION: ;NEWS; Pg. 5b HEADLINE: Turner Conservation Work Spans Nation BYLINE: Julie Anderson SOURCE: World-Herald Staff Writer Many Nebraskans are familiar with Ted Turner's efforts to return American bison to the Nebraska Sand Hills - of which he owns a little more than 100,000 acres - and on some of the other Western land he has acquired. But an article in the January-February issue of Audubon magazine tells just how broad his conservation interests have become. They range from establishing a captive breeding program for Mexican wolves on his New Mexico property and restoring endangered red-cockaded woodpeckers on his Florida plantation to trying to eradicate invasive, non-native weeds and addressing declines in pollinators such as bees, bats and butterflies. In Nebraska, Turner is helping the Nebraska Game and Parks Commission re-establish blowout penstemon, a native plant on the state's endangered species list. Many of Turner's efforts are controversial. But there is no doubt that a man who can afford to give $ 1 billion to the United Nations can try pretty much anything he wants. "All we're doing is allowing the ecosystem to be as natural as possible," Turner said in the article. "We're trying to replace as many missing pieces to the environment as we can: plants or animals now missing because of overhunting or habitat destruction or whatever. We're trying to save what we can of the natural world." Article 23547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: enfieldbees Subject: Re: hives on farms Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0cefcfc2.c29861f1@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com> Lines: 6 Bytes: 263 X-Originating-Host: 63.23.150.205 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> <8aapj3$109i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Wren-Trace: eN/60tPKjceMm8rZ3Y3X0MvFwfre3pPF1NbEktXEy9+GitGMgtGbhIOQiYqE Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:26:58 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.49 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 952749180 10.0.2.49 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:33:00 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23547 Thanks for your response. I'm from Enfield, CT. I just got started last year and will have 7 hives this year. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FYI Posted in Garden Forums Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:26:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000310102641.21960.00000669@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23548 Just read of a neighbor who advised a backyard fruit grower to spray peaches while the fruit is in blossom. This is a reminder to all backyard growers NOT to spray insecticides during bloom. Reasons: 1. It is illegal. Read the label directions, under Environmental Hazards, you see instructions not to apply while bees are visiting the spray area. You can be prosecuted, fined for violations. 2. It bites the hand that feeds you. Killing your pollinators is not an intelligent practice, especially in light of the tremendous pollinator population decline within this generation. 3. You can be liable for damages to a beekeeper neighbor. Just as you cannot poison a stream, shoot songbirds, or foul the air, your rights are limited to some extent for the greater good of all. PROTECT OUR POLLINATORS Apply insecticides, if needed, before blossoms open, and after full petal fall. Don't let clover or dandelions, or any other weed blossom pick up insecticides as you spray. Mow the blossoms off before spraying. The bees cannot speak for themselves, so I speak for them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Mar 2000 16:16:24 GMT References: <38C919D2.8215A99E@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000310111624.02586.00001307@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23549 Plywood makes for good lids and bottom boards but makes for lousy supers and hive bodies as it peels in that orientation moreso than when flat. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:27:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 81 Message-ID: <8ab487$hus$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 10 15:27:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23550 In article , "stacker" wrote: > Hi all!! First I want to thank those that answered my last post a cpl of > weeks ago..your information was very helpful. > > I am getting ready to build some frames for my hives and have a few > questions that i hope someone can help me out. > I have stand size supers and am trying to decide what is the best route for > me as hobbist to go for building some new frames > > 1) A local supplier will sell me knock down frames with are pre-cut and have > to be assembled. Anyone care to share their experience with me...I am > leaning toward purchasing the knockdown frames rather than buying lumber and > making my own..I am guessing that although it may be a bit more costly to > purchase precut components the time savings is worth the extra expense. With the number and accuracy of cuts necessary to make frames, I would spend the extra money and buy them. > > 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring > the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. You mean embedding the foundation onto the support wires? > I have > read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with > out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? Yup... > What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? For use in the brood box, probably none. For extracting, durability. > I plan to build 300 frames...how many pounds of plain foundation will I > need? > as well how much wire do I need to build this many frames? My supplier sells > wire in a 500 g or 3 Kg pkg...how much will i need? > > 3) I am also considering making some extra honey supers and have noticed > that all of hte literature suggests using box joints to construct the > supers. I would like to use a rabbit joint and build the supers out of 3/4 > inch plywood. Will this material and the joint tye be strong enough or > should I build them out of solid stock and use box joints? For one, I'm not sure you can make durable rabbets in plywood. For another, the plywood will need to be exterior grade so that it will last any length of time and I'm not sure how healthy it would be to have treated plywood in close proximity to a food product. I would buy 3/4 inch untreated solid stock and use rabbet joints. Use a type II exterior wood glue and galvanized nails or screws (I prefer finish nails purely for the esthetics) on the joints. Then prime and paint the exterior surfaces. > > I would appreciate any insight anyone has to offer on this...and thanx in > advance for you help on this. I should also mention that I have found this > newsgroup provides a wealth of information that otherwise wouldnt be > accessible to newbies like myself. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:50:42 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38C919D2.8215A99E@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 7XX/r1KsbvADI8ttVG6Ug08IiZM8+eW4crOy5rfAjkA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:50:44 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23551 stacker wrote: > 1) A local supplier will sell me knock down frames with are pre-cut and have > to be assembled. Anyone care to share their experience with me...I am > leaning toward purchasing the knockdown frames rather than buying lumber and > making my own..I am guessing that although it may be a bit more costly to > purchase precut components the time savings is worth the extra expense. I'd agree with the previous reply... cutting 300 frames yourself is quite a lot of work and if your spacing is off, you'll violate bee space and create a mess. > 2) Foundation - I am leaning toward using plain un-wired foundation, wiring > the frames myself and melting the foundation onto the frames myself. I have > read up up on this and looks to me like this is something one can do with > out too much difficulty..am i correct on this? > What is the benefit to using wired foundation verses plain foundation? I started last year. I put in vertically-wired foundation and support pins. It was ok for April til about June, but when it got hotter out, any undrawn foundation started to warp, and then when it was drawn the cells were unevenly deep. I now install wired foundation and add horizontal wires also. I don't have 300 frames to wire though... -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees on TV Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:03:07 GMT References: <20000311082018.02133.00000498@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000311130307.03835.00001488@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23552 <<...scientists are going to be radically limited in their ability to engage in such practices in the future.>> I should say scientists and businesses. In Brian Griffin's book, "The Orchard Mason Bee," he describes a bee he calls the "Onion Bee" (Heriades carinata). He says that starting in winter 1999, he will begin offering these bees for sale (he has a nationwide mail-order business). Does anybody know what the native range is of these bees, and whether any research has been done on how they will compete and interact with other pollinating insects in the environment? Griffen calls this bee a "pleasant and interesting little pollinator." Do pollination biologists and entomologists really want to stymie the growth of this kind of interest (and business) in alternative pollinators by staying silent in the face of the "native" pollinator argument? Pollinating insects are beneficial organisms, not "aliens" bent on destroying "the natural world." Scientists should not let the native pollinator advocates villify alternative, but non-native pollinators. John Article 23553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK - Brede Valley Queens Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:43:25 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8ad8mg$3s1$1@gxsn.com> References: <8ac499$2mj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.232.23 X-Trace: 952772112 1NNUCNF1GE817C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23553 Try Brede Valley Bee Farm kbs@binternet.com or Tel. 01 424 870 737 Seems a safe bet. Chris Stephen Cox wrote in message <8ac499$2mj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Do any UK readers of this newsletter know where I can buy Brede Valley >Queens? I have bought them in the past and they produce the most amazing >calm bees that can be safely kept in city gardens - they are a joy to handle >but unfortunately I have lost the address. >Thanks > > Article 23554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees on TV Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Mar 2000 13:20:18 GMT References: <20000310221622.02079.00000996@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000311082018.02133.00000498@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23554 Correction: The USDA entomologist who released the Japanese horn-faced beetle (Osmia cornifrons) was Suzanne Batra. Griffin (1999) writes, "Her passion for the attributes of this pretty little bee has resulted in its introduction to many parts of the country." In their book, "The Forgotten Pollinators", Buchmann and Nabhan introduce the concept of scramble competition among bees, and say such competition disrupts many plant/pollinator relationships. They single out the honey bee for its "fearsome" foraging force and the efficiency of its dance communication language. But I've identified now repeated introductions of non-native pollinators in North America — bumble bees outside their native range, alfalfa leafcutter bees from Eurasia, Orchard Masons outside their range, the Japanese horn-faced beetle. The contribution of any individual insect may be minimized by some, but cumulatively, doesn't this add up to a significant amount of scramble competition? Most of these introductions have been with the assistance and help of pollination biologists and USDA entomologists. It seems that if we are to buy into Buchmann and Nabhan's theory and the advocacy that is growing behind it to make the ecosystem "as natural as possible," scientists are going to be radically limited in their ability to engage in such practices in the future. John Mitchell Article 23555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!pop-news-1.colt-telecom.nl!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WBC, National Hives Message-ID: <952816210@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:17:24 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 89c1225f REPLY: 240:44/0 f464eaef PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(115) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 952819746 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23555 I believe the BBKA publish plans for both these hives cheaply. The WBC is a double walled hive so it uses twice as much timber; with sloping pagoda like outer lifts the joinery is complicated; the inner boxes are protected from the weather so cheap materials may be used; painted white it looks really smart on your lawn; it is not very portable so is suitable only for a permanent site; with oblong brood boxes and supers and outer lifts options for manipulations are limited; bees love them as they are warm and dry. They do so well that they swarm easily; mice love them too. They best thing about them is that a National will fit inside. About 80% of the hives in the UK are Nationals. They are square, 18 and an eighth inches each way. They take 11 brood frames which have 1 1/2inch lugs. Like the WBC they have bottom bee way but this can be remedied without too much difficulty. They are reasonably portable; a full brood box can be lifted without too much difficulty. Being square, you can orientate them the warm way or the cold way and you can alternate the alignment of adjacent supers so the bees are less inclined to join them together with brace comb. They are more difficult to build than the short lugged types but can be managed by the amateur. Commercially, they are made from western red cedar and these last longer than the owner.- I have some over half a century old and they are in better condition than I am. I hope this helps. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 23556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: vabeach@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on farms Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:33:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8aeoki$25f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <136f266c.57afedba@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> <38C9693D.7D54334C@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.28.223 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Mar 12 00:33:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.28.223 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDvabeach Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23556 I've been where you are now and have had great success by finding growers who do "you pick". I don't charge for pollination at those sites, but they sell all my honey at well above market prices. I give them 1/3 of the retail price and so far everyone's happy. Just a thought, Ernie > > I have been keeping a small number of hives at home and would like to > > expand a little. I can't keep alot more hives at home because I live in Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment building question Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 02:35:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23557 I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common woodworking tools? I want flush sides to the boxes so I can insulate next winter by surrounding them with insulation board (kind of like in this month's ABJ) but can't do that well with the cleated handles getting in the way. Thanks Jim Article 23558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 9 frame spacing tool Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 02:35:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000311213552.03539.00000475@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23558 I'm looking for information on how to build (or where to buy) a 9-frame spacing tool like Bonney recommends in his book Hive Management. Anyone know how or where? Article 23559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news4.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CB0AF8.56754DB6@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frame spacing tool References: <20000311213552.03539.00000475@ng-ck1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:11:52 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.82 X-Trace: news4.mco 952830693 209.214.198.82 (Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:11:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:11:33 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23559 Just about all the equipment dealers in the U.S. sell them. For example, BetterBee (the first catalog I picked up, 800.632.3379) offers part number FST1 - 9 Frame Spacer - US$13.95. They look like a very big hair comb with 10 teeth! Bill Daniels JHTanstaaf wrote: > I'm looking for information on how to build (or where to buy) a 9-frame spacing > tool like Bonney recommends in his book Hive Management. Anyone know how or > where? Article 23560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: africanized bees Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 03:44:36 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20000311224436.03152.00001535@ng-fo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23560 What exactly are these bees? I think they are aggressive but not exactly like killer bees. I know there is some beekeepers in the group who use them. Thanks Al Article 23561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Jerry Hathaway Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:43:34 -0600 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38CB2076.5621C15B@geneseo.net> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> Reply-To: hathaway@geneseo.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gen4-ch340.geneseo.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 952836499 19934 216.175.21.244 (12 Mar 2000 04:48:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:48:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23561 JHTanstaaf wrote: > I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides > for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial > equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common > woodworking tools? > > I use my table saw with a dado blade about 3/4 inch wide to cut them. I have also heard of using a router. Article 23562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesquite Honey. Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:11:53 GMT References: <9Z81+CAjY1x4EwHP@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000312101153.02866.00002000@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23562 Murray McGregor worte: <> I did not know this plant was introduced and invading in Europe and China. <> The following information is from the Brooklyn Botanic Garden's Handbook on Invasive Plants "Weeds of the Global Garden." This report is by John Hunter, Dept. of Biological Sciences, State University of New York. Black locust (Robinia pseudacacia) is a native of eastern North America from Pennsylvania and southern Indiana south to Georgia and Louisiana and west to Iowa, Missouri and Oklahoma. Because of its useful wood, nitrogen-fixing ability and attractive flowers, it has been planted widely beyond this orginal range and now grows in the wild throughout the U.S. and southern Canada. While intolerant of shade or poorly drained soils, it occurs in many habitats—in the East in disturbed woodlands and forests of urban and agricultural landscapes. In the West, its distribution is more restricted, and it is typically found on heavily disturbed lands such as roadsides, and in stream bottoms and ravines. It has also escaped cultivation in the Northeast and upper Midwest. What problems does it cause? Through roots and seeds, black locust creates stands of consdierable size. Outside of black locust's original range, these stands displace native vegetation in woodlands and pinelands and riparian areas in the eastern portions of the nation and in riparian areas including along desert watercourses in the far West. Its seeds, leaves and bark are toxic to humans and livestock. Article 23563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!isdnet!isdnethub!not-for-mail From: "Gérard PIOCH" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Displacement of rucher Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:32:22 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp41-montpellier2.libertysurf.fr X-Trace: news4.isdnet.net 952886369 36581 213.36.21.41 (12 Mar 2000 18:39:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@isdnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 18:39:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23563 Hi, For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double displacement) to carry out this transfer? Gerard. Article 23564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CBE7F0.2D1E36EF@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:55:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp39.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:55:17 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23564 Move the hive and leave a leave a small "nucleus" hive in it's spot. After a good foraging day, move only the small nucleus hive to a new field. The only other way I know of is to move it 1/2 meter per day. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA "Gérard PIOCH" wrote: > > Hi, > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > Gerard. Article 23565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 20:44:54 GMT References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000312154454.21378.00000284@nso-cu.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23565 In article <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net>, "Gérard PIOCH" writes: > >Hi, >For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained >to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site >is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in >mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double >displacement) to carry out this transfer? >Gerard. > You are going to have to make two moves to accomplish this short move. Article 23566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "Einar Bernth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:05:05 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.131.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 952898764 195.47.131.164 (Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:06:04 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:06:04 MET Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23566 Hi Gerard, You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new flight of orientation. Good luck, Einar Gérard PIOCH wrote in message news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > Hi, > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > Gerard. > > > > > Article 23567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.freedom2surf.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: i need a smoker Message-ID: <952894245@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:35:26 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 89d4bbec REPLY: 240:44/0 dd748e05 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(116) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 952901165 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23567 I used liquid smoke for the first time today. I didn't even have my smoker with me. I went through the hive and the bees almost ignored me. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 23568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:35:16 +0100 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8ah62g$3uk6@news.vtx.ch> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-7-p54.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23568 A couple of chisels, especially a gouge with a convex edge, and of course A STEADY HAND... JHTanstaaf a écrit dans le message : 20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides > for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial > equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common > woodworking tools? > > I want flush sides to the boxes so I can insulate next winter by surrounding > them with insulation board (kind of like in this month's ABJ) but can't do that > well with the cleated handles getting in the way. > > Thanks > Jim Article 23569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frame spacing tool Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:36:51 GMT References: <38CB0AF8.56754DB6@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000312183651.02587.00001558@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23569 >Just about all the equipment dealers in the U.S. sell them. For example, >BetterBee >(the first catalog I picked up, 800.632.3379) offers part number FST1 - 9 >Frame >Spacer - US$13.95. >They look like a very big hair comb with 10 teeth! > >Bill Daniels Great. Thanks. Neither Dadant nor AI Root list it in their catalogs. I figure if they haven't got it it's generally not readily available. I ordered one tonight. Article 23570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:38:41 GMT References: <38CB2076.5621C15B@geneseo.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000312183841.02587.00001559@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23570 >I use my table saw with a dado blade about 3/4 inch wide to cut them. I have >also >heard of using a router. Yeah, I tried that but didn't get the dished out handle I was looking for. Maybe it's time to burn some wood trying a bunch of things to find the one that works best. Article 23571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wesley.videotron.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CC2C41.3F6C722C@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bulk comb honey (...& round cut-comb)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:38:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952904335 24.92.236.196 (Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:38:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:38:55 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23571 Walter Kelley used to advocate bulk comb honey production, and recommended it over extracted honey production for hobbiests and sideliners. For this purpose, his company sold (and perhaps still offers) cardboard boxes made to hold one entire comb honey frame. I'm wondering if comb honey "by the frame" is ever marketed nowadays, or if it is still popular in some parts of the USA. Is it, or was it, more of a regional thing, perhaps more common in the South? And is there any demand for it now? On a related note, I see that lately there is a new style of cutcomb container on the market, which is round. Evidently supposed to have the appearance of round-section honey. Not sure what the advantage is, considering that the circles of comb that are cut out must leave quite a bit of the comb area behind. It is a nice-looking package, though. I'm guessing it allows cut-comb to compete for the high price that round sections bring. Anybody tried the round c/c, and how do customers seem to like them? j. Article 23572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Forgotten Pollinators - UPDATE Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:18:26 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38CC25C2.EB28707E@azstarnet.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23572 Re: Bees on TV, and other recent references to USDA Research Entomologist Steve Buchmann: To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Buchmann has resigned from his position at the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS, in Tucson, Arizona, and is no longer associated with the USDA. Article 23573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Mar 2000 01:38:12 GMT References: <38CBE7F0.2D1E36EF@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000312203812.02104.00000989@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23573 Rainy days help with short moves as the bees are pretty much confined to the hives. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!iol.ie!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!159.134.237.94.MISMATCH!news.eircom.net!news.eircom.net!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:29:55 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8afh72$bp$1@moe.eircom.net> References: <38C69EE0.C92AC473@bangornews.infi.net> <38c6ec2e.2794364@news1.radix.net> <38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p53.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: moe.eircom.net 952846370 377 159.134.232.53 (12 Mar 2000 07:32:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Mar 2000 07:32:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23574 Hi there, It wouldn't hurt to sterilise the hive using 80% acetic acid as a fumigant before installing a new colony ( or swarm) Ruary Rudd rrudd@eircom.net Bruce and Chris wrote in message news:38C7A2C2.31A273C0@bangornews.infi.net... > Thanks for the comments. Can I re=use these frames as is or do they > require some kind of cleaning/disinfecting? > > Bruce and Chris Article 23575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp3.giganews.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Montgomery" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Glass-sided behive anyone? Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:58:37 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-JWe79hKkDnmffDXWHZfbaA+zZT+GkQEyCbCLXkTUxq7DwBJZmfT4OfiQ63T2t16mMUAht66fbldci8w!527NWu2xrpVZX5CjO5yxV2aPqAqY X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:01:38 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23575 Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the basics. Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. Do bees need darkness? I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. Thanks in advance for your consideration Article 23576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:18:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:18:40 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23576 That, I have never heard. Do you have any sources? Thom Einar Bernth wrote: > > Hi Gerard, > You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 > days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new > flight of orientation. Good luck, > Einar > Gérard PIOCH wrote in message > news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > > Hi, > > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new > site > > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > > Gerard. > > > > > > > > > > Article 23577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:28:35 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38cc6d48.42473091@news.tco.net> References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <38CBE7F0.2D1E36EF@visi.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23577 On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:55:17 GMT, Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> wrote: > Move the hive and leave a leave a small "nucleus" hive in it's spot. >After a good foraging day, move only the small nucleus hive to a new >field. The only other way I know of is to move it 1/2 meter per day. > >Thom Bradley >Chesapeake, VA Try leaning a piece of glass aginst the front of the hive when you move it so that the bees will run into the glass and realize that something is wrong. Article 23578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.ecn.ou.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mpx.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net> Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:36:50 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 952929263 203.37.7.89 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:34:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:34:23 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23578 From experience and research I doubt very much the three days of rain theory. It is generally accepted that there are only two ways to move the hives being 1. Move them a distance of more than 8 km overnight and unload by sunrise if possible 2. For short moves ( in the same yard) about 3-5M at a time(/day). or for a short move i.e. less than 8 km, take two days about 4/5 days apart on day one move them 8Km or so, then on day two bring them back to the desired location But I really cant see any point in moving the bees 500 metres, perhaps you could elaborate on your reasons -- Barry Metz Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> wrote in message news:38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net... > That, I have never heard. Do you have any sources? > > Thom > > Einar Bernth wrote: > > > > Hi Gerard, > > You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 > > days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new > > flight of orientation. Good luck, > > Einar > > Gérard PIOCH wrote in message > > news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > > > Hi, > > > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > > > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new > > site > > > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > > > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > > > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > > > Gerard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 23579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "bowyerpounds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sale in South East England ? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:17:38 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8airfn$imi$1@lure.pipex.net> Reply-To: "bowyerpounds" NNTP-Posting-Host: userds53.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 952955191 19154 62.188.6.159 (13 Mar 2000 13:46:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 13:46:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23579 Most years there are a couple of sales of second hand bee-keeping equipment etc held around Easter in East Sussex. I have some equipment to sell, does anyone know the date and place of any forthcoming sales. Many thanks Matthew Pounds Article 23580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: spring feeding Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:46:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:46:56 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23580 Hi folks, I'm going to have to feed my bees this spring. The book I have says that the spring mixture is 1:1, sugar to water for sprintime feeding and 2:1 for the fall. I think allthat I have read on the newsgroup says 2:1. So which is it? I'm thinking of going with 2:1. Thaks, Mich Article 23581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:16:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 952953398 204.186.180.126 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:38 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23581 The bees are fine with room lighting, you just do not want them to be in direct sunlight. Our observation hive has been active in our office for 8 seasons now without dying. We open the hive about 3 - 5 times a season, to take out brood if needed and to clean the glass. Check out this link to our site with pictures of our hives - http://www.draperbee.com/catalog/page7.htm Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Mike Montgomery wrote in message news:NHZy4.3139$QF6.138248@news5.giganews.com... > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration > > Article 23582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Message-ID: <38cd09fc.1103112312@news.usenetserver.com> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 18 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:31:08 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:33:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23582 I saw a table saw jig a guy had made where as the wood fed forward he cranked the blade higher .. worked pretty slick On 12 Mar 2000 02:35:01 GMT, jhtanstaaf@aol.comnospam (JHTanstaaf) wrote: >I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides >for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial >equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common >woodworking tools? > >I want flush sides to the boxes so I can insulate next winter by surrounding >them with insulation board (kind of like in this month's ABJ) but can't do that >well with the cleated handles getting in the way. > >Thanks >Jim Article 23583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spring feeding Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:43:55 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CD1ACB.85C877A4@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dFEuvemAm6NgtYs2SZ+x5smcLNCs9Iq0Yumt9yh0U8A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 16:43:56 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23583 1:1 to stimulate them 2:1 to give them more for storage Are you feeding to get them through the winter, or to start building up population? -Steve Michel Crichton wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm going to have to feed my bees this spring. The book I have says that > the spring mixture is 1:1, sugar to water for sprintime feeding and 2:1 for > the fall. I think allthat I have read on the newsgroup says 2:1. So which > is it? I'm thinking of going with 2:1. > > Thaks, > Mich -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:27:59 -0500 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38CD251F.3941DE4E@lambton.on.ca> References: <20000311213501.03539.00000474@ng-ck1.aol.com> <38CB2076.5621C15B@geneseo.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23584 I have used a router with great success. From a small piece of plywood i cut out a hole about 2" * 4" and then lightly nailed this onto the side of the box to be used as a template for the router. Jerry Hathaway wrote: > JHTanstaaf wrote: > > > I build my own hive equipment and have been using cleats screwed to the sides > > for handles. I'd like to have those dished out handles that commercial > > equipment has (like Dadant). Does anyone know how to make those using common > > woodworking tools? > > > > > > I use my table saw with a dado blade about 3/4 inch wide to cut them. I have also > heard of using a router. -- Mark Article 23585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?VHVybmVyknMgYW50aS1ob25leSBiZWUgYWdlbmRhIHNldHMgb2ZmIGFsYXJtcw==?= Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:09:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23585 Turner’s anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms Ted Turner, who gives more than $25 million annually to organizations professing to have conservationist goals, announced in January 1999 that his foundation was aligning itself with the Pollinator Conservation Consortium at the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. The organization was formed and is run by the authors of “The Forgotten Pollinators.” The book calls honey bees conquerors and colonizers and a serious threat to native pollinators, and implies strongly that beekeeping is an environmentally destructive practice that should be discouraged and banned. The first product of this alliance hits the (US) airwaves March 21st with “Pollinators in Peril,” hosted by Peter Fonda. Check your guide for local listings. Writer Donovan Webster recounts his meeting with Turner and some of his top managers in the January/February 1999 issue of Audubon magazine: “Finally, Turner speaks of his newest baby, which is being rolled out in 1999. It’s a pollinator project, which addresses the population drop of bees, bats, butterflies, hummingbirds, and other animals that fertilize the fruit and vegetable plants that constitute one-third of the world’s diet. Phillips (Mike Phillips, a top manager at the Turner Foundation) later explains how the program started: “Ted was walking one day at Avalon, his plantation in Florida, and he noticed there weren’t any bees.” At the next Turner Foundation meeting in Atlanta, Turner pointed out his observation to Phillips and Bahouth (Peter Bahouth, another official of the Turner Foundation). Bahouth, as it happened, had recently read the book The Forgotten Pollinators, by Stephen Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan, and had already passed it along to Beau Turner (Turner’s son, who is a wildlife biologist). Phillips says the book inspired Turner to take direct action on the issue of native pollinators. “It’s one of our biggest pushes for 1999.” The article’s author sums up Turner’ conservation agenda: “Starting on his own properties—more than a million acres on 13 different ranches and plantations in North and South America....He wants to return his land, acre by acre, species by species—to the way it was before white settlers arrived.” Turner has also turned loose a small army of biologists on his land to monitor some of his pet peeves, one of which is “introduced bees” Again, from Webster’s interview: “Don’t get me wrong, we’re not here to give every biologist in North America a job,” Phillips says. “But we may need occasional help checking out migratory populations, identifying threats, and testing how introduced bees affect resident populations. Some of this can be gathered through a network, and we’ve got folks at the Interior Department interested. We’re also hoping other private landowners will look into these types of issues.” Turner’s efforts don’t end at the US border. He is active in South America, where he has sustantial land holdings. Turner’s agenda also has a lot of clout at the United Nations, which recently received a $1 billion gift from the media mogul. The United Nations is helping—through the UN Environmental Programme—formulate a global Convention on Biological Diversity. Working documents from this group mention pollinators numerous times as being threatened, with much of the science underpinning the recommendations having been contributed by unnamed US researchers (more on this later). The convention will recommend “legal instruments” and “incentive programs” for treaty nations to enact internally to protect biodiversity. John Mitchell Article 23586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!bignews.mediaways.net!news0.de.colt.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: REQ Font with bees / Font for bees-pages /Please post or sent URL Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:27:48 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38cd4f3f.4282640@news.myOKAY.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-194-29-52-93.stuttgart.gigabell.net X-Trace: news.okay.net 952979257 41899 194.29.52.93 (13 Mar 2000 20:27:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:27:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23586 Article 23587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CCBEAE.E365408D@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:10:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.84 X-Trace: tattler 952942191 131.96.150.84 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:09:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:09:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23587 Mike Montgomery wrote: > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration Go to this url for some information on "observation hives": http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm -- Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm Article 23588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!gatech!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C8C160.F0F9231@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melter References: <0PMx4.29154$e53.1126159@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 32 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:33:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.52 X-Trace: tattler 952680745 131.96.150.52 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:32:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:32:25 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23588 "André Patry" wrote: > I have seen different plans for a solar wax melter, does anyone have plans > to build a simple one? > > Thanks, > -- > > André Andre, a simple solar wax melter designed by Paul Magnuson, using a cheap foam ice chest, is found on these pages: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm -- Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm Article 23589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: "A.Somalingam" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: A FREE UNIVERSITY WWW Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:46:30 +1100 Organization: SAI BABA FREE SERVICES Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8ajib7$eo0$20@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.163.128.138 X-Trace: the-fly.zip.com.au 952978599 15104 202.163.128.138 (13 Mar 2000 20:16:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@zipworld.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:16:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23589 sci.agriculture.fruit:3447 sci.agriculture.poultry:20598 -- *************************************************************** FREE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION *************************************************************** GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!SATHYA SAI UNIVERSITY WWW IS NOW OPENED AT http://www.saiberweb.com STUDENT ENROLMENTS ARE ACCEPTED FROM NOW ONWARDS FOR FREE With Love and Pleasure We are glad to announce that Our University has SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS Now opened for enrolments. 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NY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:16:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 952989380 24.92.236.242 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:16:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:16:20 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23590 Maxant 3100H 3/6 frame honey extractor belt-drive, handles 3 deep or 6 med/shal frames (radially). S/S, vg-exc condition, a Maxant, so it's built like a tank $150 Maxant hand uncapping plane, exc. condition, rt. hand model, never used heavily, works great $30 Prefer pick/up, central NY location prices firm; will take $170 for both Joel (607) 347-6566 jwg6@cornell.edu nr. Ithaca, NY Article 23591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Turner’s anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:46:23 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 104 Message-ID: <8ajuk2$a3a$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 952991170 10346 209.130.165.16 (13 Mar 2000 23:46:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:46:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23591 I don't understand this thinking. It is all fine and good to want to return parcels of land to pre-settler like environment. What I don't understand is why is the honeybee blamed for the decline of bats, butterflies, hummingbirds? I don't see the connection. Where will the U.S. be if we solely rely on these creatures (sans honeybees)? Are we willing to accept that food prices would most likely go through the roof? What next chop down trees/plants that were not native to specific regions? Where are THEY (Turner, Buchmann, Nabhan, etc.) going to go when they realize that THEY are not native either? I think this is a bunch of crap...if this goes anywhere it only proves that "money talks". I thought Peter Fonda supported the efforts of the whole beekeeping thing...??? So what is the point? Except for some peoples soft heads... --Busybee JMitc1014 wrote in message <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com>... >Turner’s anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms > > Ted Turner, who gives more than $25 million annually to organizations >professing to have conservationist goals, announced in January 1999 that his >foundation was aligning itself with the Pollinator Conservation Consortium at >the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. > The organization was formed and is run by the authors of “The Forgotten >Pollinators.” The book calls honey bees conquerors and colonizers and a serious >threat to native pollinators, and implies strongly that beekeeping is an >environmentally destructive practice that should be discouraged and banned. > The first product of this alliance hits the (US) airwaves March 21st with >“Pollinators in Peril,” hosted by Peter Fonda. Check your guide for local >listings. > Writer Donovan Webster recounts his meeting with Turner and some of his top >managers in the January/February 1999 issue of Audubon magazine: > “Finally, Turner speaks of his newest baby, which is being rolled out in >1999. It’s a pollinator project, which addresses the population drop of bees, >bats, butterflies, hummingbirds, and other animals that fertilize the fruit and >vegetable plants that constitute one-third of the world’s diet. > Phillips (Mike Phillips, a top manager at the Turner Foundation) later >explains how the program started: “Ted was walking one day at Avalon, his >plantation in Florida, and he noticed there weren’t any bees.” At the next >Turner Foundation meeting in Atlanta, Turner pointed out his observation to >Phillips and Bahouth (Peter Bahouth, another official of the Turner >Foundation). Bahouth, as it happened, had recently read the book The Forgotten >Pollinators, by Stephen Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan, and had already passed >it along to Beau Turner (Turner’s son, who is a wildlife biologist). > Phillips says the book inspired Turner to take direct action on the issue of >native pollinators. “It’s one of our biggest pushes for 1999.” > The article’s author sums up Turner’ conservation agenda: “Starting on his >own properties—more than a million acres on 13 different ranches and >plantations in North and South America....He wants to return his land, acre by >acre, species by species—to the way it was before white settlers arrived.” > Turner has also turned loose a small army of biologists on his land to >monitor some of his pet peeves, one of which is “introduced bees” Again, from >Webster’s interview: > “Don’t get me wrong, we’re not here to give every biologist in North America >a job,” Phillips says. “But we may need occasional help checking out migratory >populations, identifying threats, and testing how introduced bees affect >resident populations. Some of this can be gathered through a network, and we’ve >got folks at the Interior Department interested. We’re also hoping other >private landowners will look into these types of issues.” > Turner’s efforts don’t end at the US border. He is active in South America, >where he has sustantial land holdings. Turner’s agenda also has a lot of clout >at the United Nations, which recently received a $1 billion gift from the media >mogul. The United Nations is helping—through the UN Environmental >Programme—formulate a global Convention on Biological Diversity. Working >documents from this group mention pollinators numerous times as being >threatened, with much of the science underpinning the recommendations having >been contributed by unnamed US researchers (more on this later). > The convention will recommend “legal instruments” and “incentive programs” >for treaty nations to enact internally to protect biodiversity. >John Mitchell Article 23592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sale in South East England ? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 01:52:57 GMT References: <8airfn$imi$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000313205257.02589.00001650@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23592 >Most years there are a couple of sales of second hand bee-keeping >equipment etc held around Easter in East Sussex. > >I have some equipment to sell, does anyone know the date and place of any >forthcoming sales. You might want to contact Sheila Berrett owner of Bees & Things, Clay Lane, Chichester. Phone 01243 576710, e-mail bees-things@FSBDial.co.uk Regards, Ralph Harrison Western Connecticut Beekeepers Associaton Milford, CT USA Article 23593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:22:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23593 Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace native pollinators—both insects and vertebrates—from flowers but they do so without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit—buzz pollination—and honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) Am I reading this correctly as saying that native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia? John Mitchell Article 23594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!Spacestar!not-for-mail From: MERDOC_US@YAHOO.COM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen trap plans Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:22:47 -0600 Organization: Spacestar Communications, Twin Cities, MN Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38CDBE97.6918@YAHOO.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-25.spooner.spacestar.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.spacestar.net 953008360 3334 206.191.197.229 (14 Mar 2000 04:32:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news1.spacestar.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 04:32:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23594 DOSE ANYONE HAVE PLANS TO BUILD A POLLEN TRAP? Article 23595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A report of native bumblebees in Australia Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 11:50:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000314065038.02606.00001676@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23595 Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace native pollinators—both insects and vertebrates—from flowers but they do so without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit—buzz pollination—and honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) According to Buchmann and Nabhan, native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia. John Mitchell Article 23596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 15:27:17 GMT References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000314102717.21991.00001298@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23596 From: Gregory getebee@mich.com >I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than >Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast >bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite >resistance, and a gentler disposition. I've used Buckfast from Weaver's in Texas. They are gentle and highly productive. When they supercede the queen, however, they are NOT gentle, so care is required to keep your queen, perhaps by annual requeening. Carniolan are the most gentle bees of all. I don't use them, because they don't do well in hot weather (in SC), but you'll love them in Michigan. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.freedom2surf.net!colt.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!news.taide.net!news.dnttm.ro!not-for-mail From: "Jabba" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:54:03 +0200 Organization: Dynamic Network Technologies Timisoara Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8alnb6$ls8$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> Reply-To: "Jabba" NNTP-Posting-Host: gate.datagroup.ro X-Trace: nebula.dnttm.ro 953049254 22408 193.230.233.18 (14 Mar 2000 15:54:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.dnttm.ro NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 15:54:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23597 Article 23598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CE7B76.5C6A57F9@beemaster.com> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NOVICE BEEKEEPING COURSE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:52:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.203 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 953045567 151.198.241.203 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:52:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:52:47 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23598 Please visit my Novice Beekeeping Course at http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm Where you will find over 20 beekeeping topic and 200 photos. My free site is ideal for novice beekeepers, students, teachers and anyone interested in beekeeping. My many topics include: Studying the Hive My Apiary The Queen's role Equipment explained Ordering bees and equipment On-Line logbook Swarm capturing and management FAQs Wax Moth problems Photo Gallery Hive inspection Wallpaper and much much more. Also, checkout my COMPLETE WEBSITE with over 35 educational topics and 600 photos. All at http://www.beemaster.com John the Beemaster If you write me, please let me know that you found me in News Groups. Article 23599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:12:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8alocr$to5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 16:12:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23599 Check beesource.com for plans to build a 3 frame (2 deep, 1 medium) observation hive. It's only 1 frame wide (front to back) so I'd only use it for temporary housing. However, by doubling it so you've got 2 frames by 3 high you'll be able to keep the bees there permanently. However, you'll have to keep an eye on brood production, swarming, etc. since they're more crowded than when you give them 20 frames for brood in a traditional hive. Also, go to yahoo.com and search on "observation hive" and you'll find a bunch of sites with info, plans, etc. AI Root also sells a book on observation hives including plans. Jim In article , "Mike Montgomery" wrote: > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:50:52 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38CE8A0A.B1967FF@netins.net> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4264.51472EC9@mich.com> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-20-142.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23600 Could you describe what your hive setup was that caused so much water in it? It may be helpful for others to know. Thanks Gregory wrote: > > I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water > in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor > of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. > Gregory > > nwolfe wrote: > > > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > > at this location survived > > > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > > and the workers threw them out. > > > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > > fair price, before the worms set in? > > > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hobbyist Equipment Question Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:42:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8am4nt$63n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <_Efs4.6676$tk7.578911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 19:42:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23601 > > Given that the part of the hive in question is really for the bee's use, > > which method (2 deeps or 3 mediums) do you think they would prefer? Which > > configuration would keep them the healthiest and give them the best > > over-wintering capability? We live in Massachusetts SSW of Boston. I'm in Northcentral CT, have Buckfast bees, and use all mediums. They don't seem to notice the difference. I do though. Mediums are easier to handle. I only have to get one size of everything & the only thing I can't get easily are the frame feeders which doesn't impact me much 'cause I use ziplocs or Miller feeders that I build myself. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38CEA4A3.C34637F0@cybertours.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:44:19 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newsletter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.9 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.9 X-Trace: 14 Mar 2000 15:34:08 -0500, 209.222.81.9 Lines: 23 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.81.9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23602 Greetings! We have added a new feature on our web site. Below you will find a link to the WCBKA newsletter: http://www.mainebee.com/html/anhes.html We would bee more than happy to include your monthly club meeting notes. Just email us the information (txt.file is OK) -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/ "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 23603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:39:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8am815$8j8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 20:39:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23603 In article <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com>, getebee@mich.com wrote: > Hi! > Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? > > I believe the Weavers in TX are the only US breeders. Both B. Weaver & R. Weaver sell packages. I use B. Weaver myself. Nice people. (Does not imply that R. Weaver isn't, just haven't dealt with them.) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "Hans Wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:29:03 +0100 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8am9b1$koi$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-129-138.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 953067681 21266 212.239.129.138 (14 Mar 2000 21:01:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 21:01:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23604 First off all think once more over displacing them twice. For example visit the fruit blossom and put them at there new location wen they come back. You do not mention were you live. In case winter just ends, and the bees did not fly much jet, you can still move them, for after a long winter-sit they have to renew there orientation. Finally you can narcotize them with laughing-gas, (nitrous oxide), you by this in tablets, burn them in the smoker, for this time fueled with charcoal, be carefull charcoal is much hotter than the jusual stuff. This is a kill or cure remedy, also applicable to other problems, but to me only a last resort. Keep the opening small next days. Hans "Gérard PIOCH" schreef in bericht news:8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net... > Hi, > For reasons of good cohabitation with my vicinity I see myself constrained > to move all my rucher. But I do not know how to proceed because the new site > is with 500m first and I am afraid that the butineuses ones turn over in > mass to their initial site. Know you a direct method (not of double > displacement) to carry out this transfer? > Gerard. > > > > > Article 23605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "like-life" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help----please Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Trace: /whjshcnUD9Si+8BwPECaeCIfm/56pFb+QON0F9YYUyAcIE93X/uyd7Z4X/FTZy+8qduNwvcV5yG!etQQIEWVhLbbpk1r5WUnnLQDi//n8rlJmztzzfoJmIJ/sLtmkAaXIWNmUih/nTA9N4ZjGS5wmZK6!ffGuGcJSYcoNwkdg/KWEaA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:02:25 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:02:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23605 hello I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. was wondering what can I spray or put out that will not harm my bees.......... And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my garden????????????????? rose's ect..ect.... would be thankful for any help.............. thanks-----Dusty Article 23606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:59:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23606 I have tried Buckfast bees also. I found that they lived up to the hype but in all of my cases when they superceded undesirable characteristics came out. If you want to keep them I would suggest re-queening annually. I have gone back to Carniolans. Kent Article 23607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jhtanstaaf@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Rule Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:36:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.28.233.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 14 20:36:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.28.233.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjhtanstaaf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23607 In article <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com>, getebee@mich.com wrote: > Hi! > This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to > a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee > stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable > pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than > Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from > anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the > opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? > > Go for it. They are the best bees! Actually they've been bred for disease resistance, low propolis production, good honey production, gentleness. Best all round bee. I'm in the N.E. and we generally saw disappointing honey production last year due to drought & heat. Many friends got little or no honey. I got 70lbs/hive. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sale in South East England ? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:22:38 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38cec882.5132791@news.freeserve.net> References: <8airfn$imi$1@lure.pipex.net> <20000313205257.02589.00001650@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-67.longnose-hawk.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 953076528 32624 62.137.38.67 (14 Mar 2000 23:28:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:28:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23608 Brinsbury Agricultural College, May 6th. There is also the PLumton Bee Fair on 21st May. Meon Valley have an Auction on April 29th On 14 Mar 2000 01:52:57 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: > >>Most years there are a couple of sales of second hand bee-keeping >>equipment etc held around Easter in East Sussex. >> >>I have some equipment to sell, does anyone know the date and place of any >>forthcoming sales. > >You might want to contact Sheila Berrett >owner of Bees & Things, Clay Lane, Chichester. Phone 01243 576710, e-mail >bees-things@FSBDial.co.uk > >Regards, >Ralph Harrison >Western Connecticut Beekeepers Associaton >Milford, CT USA Article 23609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Buckfast Rule Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 953079432 12.72.44.250 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:12 GMT Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23609 I hate to see blanket statements like this. First off, tell us how many colonies and under what conditions you tested to conclude that the Buckfast is the "best bee". I'll argue that the "best" bee is the one that has best adapted to your environment and has the characteristics that are important to you. This may not be a choice of only race (although this is a good place to start), but of individuals. Some queens just don't display the expected characteristics of the race. The Buckfast may have been the "best" bee for Br. Adam, but it is not for everyone. If it was, we would have no need for other races and strains and the Weavers would be the MicroSoft of the bee world. In the hands of a beginner that can't tell if the queen in his colony is the same Buckfast queen he purchased, then the Buckfast is among the worst choices. If the original poster is reluctant to do thorough inspections because of being "somewhat allergic", then a hybrid such as Buckfast is probably a bad choice. In the coming months we will begin to see the posts asking "Why are my Buckfasts suddenly aggressive?". Getting back to the original post, I would second Dave Green on the Carniolan for the northern climate if gentleness is of primary concern. Being a true race (Buckfast is not), genetic characteristics will be more predictable down generations. Like Dave though, I don't keep them as I find that my mongrel Italians are gentle, consistently produce over 200 lbs, and winter well in our short mild winters. But I wouldn't recommend them to everyone. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Go for it. They are the best bees! Actually they've been bred for > disease resistance, low propolis production, good honey production, > gentleness. Best all round bee. > > I'm in the N.E. and we generally saw disappointing honey production > last year due to drought & heat. Many friends got little or no honey. I > got 70lbs/hive. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEEDBA.6616FF8C@beemaster.com> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help----please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:00:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 953074854 151.198.241.229 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:00:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:00:54 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23610 FLEAS, like other insects will suffocate with soapy water. Just hook at fertilizer treatment jar to your hose, fill it with dishwashing soap and spray all over your trouble areas. This will clog the flea's pores and they will die. More help, visit my NOVICE BEEKEEPING COURSE at http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm - over 30 pages and 200 photos - good luck. John the Beemaster like-life wrote: > hello > I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. > was wondering what can I spray or put out > that will not harm my bees.......... > And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my > garden????????????????? > rose's ect..ect.... > would be thankful for any help.............. > thanks-----Dusty Article 23611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 72 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 953079430 12.72.44.250 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23611 I inadvertently replied back to the poster's e-mail so I am also posting back to the newsgroup. I assume the statement in your second paragraph is your conclusion and the authors have not come right out and said that bumble bees are native to Australia. In the quote you do attribute to the authors, you can not safely conclude that they are claiming native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia. They do say "...bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds...", but nowhere does it claim they are native. The earlier reference to "native pollinators-both insects and vertebrates" could be referring to moths, flies, bats and hummingbirds. You can only infer the 2 statements can be taken together but that may be out of context with what the author is saying. There is a term in logic for the kind of argument you are making, but I can't recall from over 20 years ago, maybe "slippery-slope". I am not arguing for the accuracy of the program or authorities sited, only the answer to your final question. I will agree that it makes no since for the authors to argue that non-native honeybees displace native pollinators and then argue that other non-native pollinators do a better job than honeybees. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com... > Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed > in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever > claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. > According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" > (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job > of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little > long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: > "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a > hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace > native pollinators-both insects and vertebrates-from flowers but they do so > without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or > native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora > requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit-buzz pollination-and > honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and > native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas > bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large > fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although > honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite > abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some > pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) > Am I reading this correctly as saying that native Australian bumblebees > routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia? > John Mitchell Article 23612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEE4A5.1F504EE4@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Rule References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <8am7t6$8b4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:18:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 953083086 204.186.179.34 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:18:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:18:06 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23612 I agree for the most part. I only had one Buckfast hive (out of six) that dissapointed me. They are a great bee and the only queen that I buy anymore. However, for gentleness nothing beats the Midnite bees. I started 5 years ago with two Midnite hives and had excellent honey production. The only negative is their love of propolis but even that wasn't as bad as I was led to expect. Article 23613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 01:19:33 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000314201933.02150.00001014@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23613 George said: <> Giving your interpretation the benefit of the doubt, it's terribly misleading to slip a generic reference to bumblebees on another continent into an otherwise concise paragraph about pollination of Australian flora. But the authors are much better writers than that; otherwise, this book wouldn't be as influential as it has become. That's why I take the meaning at face value: Australian bumblebees out-perform exotic honey bees. My argument is not "slippery-slope." It is their science that is slip-shod. John Mitchell Article 23614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.nyu.edu!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: A report of native Australian bumblebees Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:10:20 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 953032048 203.37.7.82 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:07:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:07:28 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23614 I am as usual totally at a loss to understand where these experts get there information from. But unlike Bill they seem to inhale. My bee books name four common Australian Native Bees 1. Resin Bee 2. Solitary Resin Bee 3. Blue Banded Bee 4. Native Stingless Social Bee. But there are some 2000 types of Native Bee in Australia, and I have never heard any of them referred to as a BumbleBee, though I've only been keeping bees for 10 years and am over 40 years old so I'd reckon I'd have read or heard some reference other than Turner TV by now. As for the Commercial Bees not being effective Pollinators of Eucalypts and such, somewhere here I have an article on reafforestation groups using commercial hives to ensure a good seed set in stands of desirable Eucalypts. I'll try and find this and 'post it' -- Barry Metz JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000313232253.03536.00002247@ng-cs1.aol.com... > Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed > in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever > claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. > According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" > (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job > of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little > long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: > "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a > hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace > native pollinators-both insects and vertebrates-from flowers but they do so > without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or > native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora > requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit-buzz pollination-and > honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and > native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas > bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large > fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although > honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite > abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some > pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) > Am I reading this correctly as saying that native Australian bumblebees > routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia? > John Mitchell Article 23615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Save the Autralian bumblebee Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Mar 2000 12:59:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000314075945.21917.00001639@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23615 Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. According th Gary Nabhan and Stephen Buchmann in "The Forgotten Pollinators" (1996) native Australian bumblebees (along with carpenter bees) do a better job of pollinating Australian flora than honey bees do. I will quote this a little long because I don't want anybody to say I'm taking this out of context: "From an ecological and evolutionary perspective, honeybees may pose a hitherto unsuspected threat to life in the bush. Not only do they displace native pollinators—both insects and vertebrates—from flowers but they do so without effectvely triggering the pollination mechanisms of the crop plants or native flowers they visit. A significant portion of the Australian flora requires vibratory pollen harvesting to set fruit—buzz pollination—and honeybees are incapable of this feat. Blooms of deadly nightshade blossoms and native bush tomatoes all require other pollinators to effect fruit set. Whereas bumblebees and carpenter bees do an excellent job and routinely set large fruits full of seeds, honeybees leave these plants unfertilized. Although honeybees do not use floral sonication to harvest pollen, they are often quite abundant on Australian blossoms with pored anthers and must account for some pollination and seed set." (Pg. 178) According to Buchmann and Nabhan, native Australian bumblebees routinely set large fruits full of seeds in Australia. John Mitchell Article 23616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:37:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23616 Hi! This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of Buckfast bees? Article 23617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Melting Honey Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:46:53 -0600 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.195.239.170 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23617 I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. What would be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without harming the properties of the honey. Terry Article 23618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <38CC6BFC.62DFC658@visi.net> Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:52:07 +0300 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.parma.ru Message-ID: <38ce47a5@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 14 Mar 2000 17:08:31 +0300, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!rosnet!news.glas.net!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip36.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23618 There is one more way to move beehives on 500 m.. I read about it. He can use, if there is no opportunity to make it by two steps. Possibly to sleep of bees by carbonic gas or ether. When a bee wake up they will forget where there was the beehive. If burn a rags impregnated by ammoniac nitrate (saltpeter; NH4NO3), a smoke will be formed, which can too do bees sleepy. Enough 2-3 stream of such smoke. A bee should fall on bottom. Through 5-30 minutes they wake up (depending on quantity of a smoke and access of fresh air). The large concentration of a smoke can do harm to bees. All this theory: I have never used it. Andrey Barry Metz writes: >From experience and research I doubt very much the three days of rain >theory. It is generally accepted that there are only two ways to move the >hives being > 1. Move them a distance of more than 8 km overnight and >unload by sunrise if possible > 2. For short moves ( in the same yard) about 3-5M at a >time(/day). or for a short move i.e. less than 8 km, take two days about >4/5 days apart on day one move them 8Km or so, then on day two bring them >back to the desired location >But I really cant see any point in moving the bees 500 metres, perhaps you >could elaborate on your reasons > >-- >Barry Metz Article 23619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:45:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CE4264.51472EC9@mich.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23619 I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. Gregory nwolfe wrote: > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > at this location survived > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > and the workers threw them out. > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > fair price, before the worms set in? > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:44:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23620 I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. Gregory nwolfe wrote: > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > at this location survived > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > and the workers threw them out. > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > fair price, before the worms set in? > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 01:58:25 GMT References: <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000314205825.02167.00001199@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23621 November is way too late for Apistan around here in the NE. A hole bored in the top box of the hive sure helps with dampness and ventillation as does a little pitch forward. Windbreaks are a good thing. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEBEDF.31C3F146@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:36:15 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn19.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 953090857 88 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23622 Hi! Dave and George are right, The Buckfast do great here in eastern Va.. I don't know how they would do where you are but I have no problem at all. George did mention about aggressive Buckfast. I had no problem last year until Sept. when I requeened, and one hive became a little snotty in oct, but I hope I will change that this Sept. L.E.G. Gregory wrote: > Hi! > This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to > a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee > stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable > pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than > Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from > anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the > opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? Article 23623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:48:31 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bradford Pear Trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn19.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 953091591 88 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23623 Hi A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. Thanks in advance for your help L.E.G. Article 23624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:35:17 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38cf03e2.3019921@news.tco.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23624 On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:37:14 -0500, Gregory wrote: >Hi! >This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to >a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee >stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable >pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than >Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast >bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite >resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from >anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the >opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of >Buckfast bees? Get some from north of the border it legal and make sure that they bring them acriss the border t ship them. Expect a late June shipping date. If you need a address let my know. Dan > Article 23625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CF00BF.DC386443@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:17:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp32.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:17:55 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23625 In an old refrigerator or similar, put a 40W light bulb and leave it in there burning for a day or two. Thom TJ wrote: > > I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. What would > be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without harming the > properties of the honey. > > Terry Article 23626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CE7DFE.1DDFAC7A@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's Yazbeck about?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:46:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 953056013 24.112.144.102 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:46:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:46:53 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23626 Has anyone done business with yazbeck.com? Anyone in Canada?? I visited their website and could not believe the prices. I see that they are looking for U.S. distributors - any of them around? Thanks, Glen Archer Article 23627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:16:58 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p87.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 953063649 27782 203.96.192.215 (14 Mar 2000 19:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 19:54:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23627 Greetings all Much to my suprise our latest Beekeeping Assoc newsletter featured the following recipe for Garlic Butter fried bees, I wasn't sure whether to post this here, but there may be some who are interested. i would suggest for any connosieurs to only use the drones, they are larger non productive (other than reproductive function), so more expendable Garlic Butter Fried Bees 1/4c butter or cooking oil 6 cloves garlic 1c cleaned bees (larvae) Heat oil or butter over low heat in frypan or pot. Slowly fry the garlic for 5 minsor till slightly brown. add the insects and continue to fry at the same temp for 10-15mins, stirring occassionally. Do not over heat or the garlic will burn. The insects can be included in tacos, used as condiments with rice and tortillas or offered as appetisers. If drained well they can be served as snack any time or packaged like nuts. bon appetit carman Article 23628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Message-ID: <953074755@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:08:58 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 89f296a0 REPLY: 240:44/0 13552158 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(116) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 953101927 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23628 I have made recessed hand grips using craft knife & chisels. There has to be an easier way. 2 tips you may find useful. 1. Undercut the top edge a little to give your fingers a better grip. 2. Remember that the bees do not always distribute the weight evenly within the hive. With grips placed centrally the hive may tend to tip when you carry it. Assuming you are right handed (a 9:1 chance) try making the hand hold about two thirds of the way along each side (working from left to right on the board) as you make it. Thus when you lift the right hand will be a little further away and the left nearer to the body. This gives you much more control of the uneven weight and makes better use of your relative strength and weakness. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 23629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:38:20 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8aold5$50u$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-125.california.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 953145573 5150 62.137.56.125 (15 Mar 2000 18:39:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:39:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23629 Gregory wrote in message news:38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com... From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition ---------------------------------------------- OK if you do not mind buying new queens regularly as they will not stay true. 1st crosses are often very bad tempered. You might do better to find a local beekeeper with a good local strain. Article 23630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.via.net!24.0.94.134.MISMATCH!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying used equipment. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 953145565 24.112.144.102 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:39:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:39:25 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23630 This being my very first year in bees, I was looking at saving a bit of money as I have to buy everything. I have been offered an extensive collection of used equipment from a person who has quit the hobby. There is absolutely everything I will need from hives and frames right up to an extractor and bottling pails. My dilemna is that some of the frames have wax-moth damage. There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen Archer. Article 23631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:35:11 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8aold3$50u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-125.california.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 953145571 5150 62.137.56.125 (15 Mar 2000 18:39:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:39:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23631 Einar Bernth wrote in message news:gxUy4.603$pp1.12505@news.get2net.dk... > Hi Gerard, > You can move the hive if you have more than 3 days of rainy wheater. After 3 > days inside the hive the bees forget where they are, and need to make a new > flight of orientation. Good luck, > Einar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- I cannot agree with this advice. 3 weeks of non-flying due to cold weather, yes - but not three days. On distance - I have always worked on the 3 feet or 3 miles principle, but have still had some bees return from 3 miles. Moving across a garden is best done in small moves (3 feet) a day - but sometimes the bees will still return to the original site after several moves. Probably best to move them over 3 miles (put them on a good crop and get some honey!) for a month and then bring them back to their new site. Article 23632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CFEE57.84B492AB@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> <38CF88B2.34814E79@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:11:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:11:37 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23632 Bradford pears are strictly ornamental, they do not produce nectar nor pollen attractive to any bees. Very pretty but like many hybrids.. all show and nothing else. Thom Bradley "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" wrote: > > We have a 20 foot tall Bradford Pear in our back yard (near Memphis, > Tennessee, USA) and I made a special attempt to watch it a few times during > this spring's bloom. It was loaded with blossoms that looked so attractive > to me but the bees must have thought otherwise. I never saw a single > honeybee working it. > > Caveat: My bees are not in my back yard and I don't know where the closest > hive (managed or feral) might be located. > > Bill > > "L.E.G." wrote: > > > Hi > > A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us > > here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my > > shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have > > to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > > Thanks in advance for your help > > L.E.G. Article 23633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Quality RAM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying used equipment.-BEWARE Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38cfe3d7.1248541@news.earthlink.net> References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 65 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:16:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953151418 209.245.2.80 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:16:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:16:58 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23633 Archer, After frequenting ads placed on this newsgoup in hopes of saving pennies, "Buyer Beware" is the first point you should observe. Twice I've purchased used hives and equipment from out-of-state sellers: A hobbyist from New Mexico 'quitting because of varroa' turned out to have EFB throughout his 30+ deeps. Learning about AFB & EFB is an invaluable source of information, but most would prefer to learn on the wings of others. I'm certain this 'bee-haver' didn't intentionally pass on diseased equipment, but the cost was still on my shoulders after the equipment was purchased and the disease discovered. My second purchase was some 150 supers from a guy in Minnesota. We negotiated over the phone and talked at length on various bee topics. Feeling confident I would receive what we agreed, money was sent as deposit and several weeks later this fellow showed up to deliver. What he had was 50% usable and the rest, literally trash. The 50 or so deeps were sifted rejects - every one a tell-tale different color top-bar. Each frame ranged from broken ears, mouse damage, split bars, ratty foundation, Duragilt bee chew-down - you name it. The supers turned out to have 7 to 8 frames on average, on a ten-frame super - along with approx. 10% Duragilt chew-down on the remaining frames. The $400 extractor which he claimed was "slow to get started" had every bearing out. Although these purchases are character building, I'm certainly not proud of these 'bargains'. Build your own gear or BE SURE of the person you're buying and the condition of the equipment - along with the agreement of sale. Know whom is responsible (in writing) if you buy AFB/EFB. Know how many frames per super you're agreeing to. Know whom has the right of refusal if the purchaser doesn't like what they see (again, in writing). For the most part, beekeepers are an honest bunch. But don't trust everybody. Ignorance has it's price. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:25 GMT, Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> wrote: >This being my very first year in bees, I was looking at saving a bit of >money as I have to buy everything. I have been offered an extensive >collection of used equipment from a person who has quit the hobby. There >is absolutely everything I will need from hives and frames right up to >an extractor and bottling pails. My dilemna is that some of the frames >have wax-moth damage. There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 >clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation >replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I >remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal >but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen >Archer. (PS - wax damage is easy to clean if you have plastic foundation or plastic frames. Just scrape it down and feed the bees heavily to re-draw them out. If you're looking at old wax or Duragilt, you may as well add these to your solar-melter. When the old foundation has melted out, see if you can't pop in new plastic foundation in without too much trouble. Likely your best option is to start fresh with new frames & foundation and re-use the hive-bodies. Scorch the insides of the boxes and pay attention to corners and frame-rests.) Article 23634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D00C0E.CE8095CB@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying used equipment.-BEWARE References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> <38cfe3d7.1248541@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:05:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 953157912 24.112.144.102 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:05:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:05:12 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23634 Matthew, Thanks for the tip. I have inspected all the equipment, and apart from the wax-moth damaged frames everything seems fine. The fellow is a respected member of a local beekeeping club and seems okay to me and was referred to me by a few different members. He is going to ask our local inspector about the equipment as well. All in all it seems like a good deal, just being new at this I am leary of that wax-moth damage. Thanks again, Glen. Article 23635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D016D1.29A305F1@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Joe Edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: color of nuc boxes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:20:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.107.239 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 953162442 142.165.107.239 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:20:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:20:42 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23635 I'm planning to make up quite a few nucs this year by putting a divider in the middle of my new honey supers. Also drilling a 1" hole on either side for an entrance for each half. Now i need to paint, I was wondering if anybody new what colors were the best so the Queen would recognize her entrance easier. Any suggestions would be helpful. Joe Edwards Article 23636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:45:36 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ap70j$742$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> <38CF00BF.DC386443@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdt48.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 953163603 7298 62.188.6.253 (15 Mar 2000 23:40:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:40:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23636 In my old refrigerator I included an adjustable aquarium thermostat and as it's a big chest freezer, two 60W light bulbs in the bottom to spread out the heating. It can then be set to melt without damaging. The original wire baskets are upside down in the bottom so the tubs of honey are raised and in easier reach. Mine runs at about 50C which softens wax enough that you can put tubs with taps fitted, full of cut out set combs (I get lots of OSR (=colza)) in and later run the honey out of the tap. The waxy remains goes onto the hot melting tray later. Martin Buckle. Thom Bradley wrote ... > In an old refrigerator or similar, put a 40W light bulb and leave it in > there burning for a day or two. > > TJ wrote: > > > > I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized....etc> > Terry Article 23637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying used equipment. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:35:50 GMT References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000315203550.02534.00002271@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23637 >There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 >clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation >replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I >remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal >but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen >Archer. When I first got into the bee business I had about $300. I was at an auction for a beekeeper who had gone out of business about five years earlier. Most of the equipment was in really bad shape save the boxes that were sealed in a once fumigated comb room. these went for up to $5,000 a lot. Of course I couldn't afford any of that so after all was said and done I asked the auctioneer what they planned to do with all the things that were laying around in piles outside. He asked if I wanted it and of course I said yes so I got it for about $600 which I didn't even have at the time. Before everyone left I had salvaged and sold about $1200 worth of pallets, presses, and hidden syrup tanks. But to get to the chase I saved about 800 usable boxes and about 150 boxes worth of frames. To date(that was 6 years ago) all I have ever done to those boxes and frames was to scrape them clean and rewax them. Wax moths don't carry any disease. The only things you have to worry about is foulbrood so just treat extra heavy with terramycin until you feel comfortable. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Amy Moye" References: Subject: Re: help----please Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:01:16 -0500 Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust174.tnt4.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.31.145.174 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23638 "like-life" wrote in message news:lVwz4.567$fL1.117319@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > hello > I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. > was wondering what can I spray or put out > that will not harm my bees.......... Try Spectracide (diazinon) or Dursban (chlorpyrifos) granules. They are both toxic to bees but should not come into contact with the bees since they are spread out as dry granules onto the ground and move into the soil with water. You can check out toxicity of pesticides to honeybees at: http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/agchem/chptr5/501.PDF Also treat your pets at the same time. If you have a "closed environment" your pets are confined to your yard and no other pets can come in, then you can use Program (lufenuron) on your pets. This is a once a month tablet that inhibits chitin formation. Chitin is the exoskeleton of an insect. To get lufenuron, fleas take a blood meal from your dog or cat. Honeybees obviously will not be exposed to lufenuron. Note: this may take several weeks (6 or 8) to work. You can also use Frontline (fipronil) or Advantage (can't remember active ingredient) on your pets back once a month. Program/Frontline/Advantage are veterinarian sold products and are the best. Permethrin containing products do not work well where I live. > And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my > garden????????????????? > rose's ect..ect.... > would be thankful for any help.............. > thanks-----Dusty > Depends on pest. Whenever pest is from the insect order Lepidoptera (larvae - pupae - moth or butterfly) there's a good chance that products containing Bacillus thuringiensis will work (Dipel). This is not a pesticide, but rather a bug disease. It gives the larvae gastroenteritis and they stop eating. See http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/agchem/agchem.html for recommendations in my state. Your state may have similar. > > Article 23639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Moye" Subject: Want to buy or make extractor. Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:08:05 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust174.tnt4.goldsboro.nc.da.uu.net 63.31.145.174 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23639 Does anyone have a good used radial extractor for sale 10 frames or less? or Has anyone built a homemade extractor that works well. I am not interested in using products like trash cans or hardware cloth that are not food grade material. However stainless steel, wood, or food grade plastic, would be satisfactory. Article 23640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: "UJobBank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.aquaria,sci.archaeology,sci.archaeology.mesoamerican,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.bio.botany,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.en Subject: University Job Bank (www.UJobBank.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:07:23 -0500 Organization: None Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8apm98$18aj$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unit18.iwr.msu.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:41173 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23640 sci.agriculture.fruit:3449 sci.agriculture.poultry:20641 sci.anthropology:77313 sci.anthropology.paleo:42858 sci.aquaria:31587 sci.archaeology:146781 sci.archaeology.mesoamerican:12095 sci.astro:270841 sci.astro.amateur:378208 sci.bio.botany:12738 sci.bio.ecology:54060 For your information: The following new websites have been launched. 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University Job Bank website: http://www.UJobBank.com (for full-time faculty and staff positions) Post-Doctoral positions website: http://www.Post-Docs.com Graduate Assistantship website: http://www.GradAsst.com Article 23641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38CF7E67.FD1CFDE7@together.net> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:13:28 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-128-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 15 Mar 2000 07:29:44 -0500, dial-128-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 26 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-128-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23641 I'll never buy another Buckfast Queen. Granted they did well for a time-resistant to TM, built up well in the spring. Trouble is that they aren't the same bee as they used to be. I know several commercial keepers who just won't bother with Weaver Buckfast again. Too many colonies requeened with them this year have failing queens again next year. All you Buckfasters blast me right out of the water if it makes you feel better, but after purchasing thousands of them over the last 10 years, I'm all done. The Weaver Buckfast isn't really the "Buckfast " bee anymore. It may have Buckfast blood in its past, but is only a shadow of its former self. Mike Gregory wrote: > Hi! > This is My 2nd year in beekeeping and am interested in switching over to > a different race of bees. It turns out I am somewhat allergic to bee > stings and while I refuse to let this stop Me from such an enjoyable > pursuit, I would like to find a bee a little less aggressive than > Italians. From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > resistance, and a gentler disposition. I would like to hear advice from > anyone out there who's using Buckfast bees. I would also like the > opinions of beekeepers using other races. Where is the best source of > Buckfast bees? Article 23642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.atl!news2.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CF88B2.34814E79@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:57:22 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.98 X-Trace: news2.mco 953125065 209.214.198.98 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:57:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:57:45 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23642 We have a 20 foot tall Bradford Pear in our back yard (near Memphis, Tennessee, USA) and I made a special attempt to watch it a few times during this spring's bloom. It was loaded with blossoms that looked so attractive to me but the bees must have thought otherwise. I never saw a single honeybee working it. Caveat: My bees are not in my back yard and I don't know where the closest hive (managed or feral) might be located. Bill "L.E.G." wrote: > Hi > A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us > here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my > shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have > to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > Thanks in advance for your help > L.E.G. Article 23643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment building question Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:59:53 GMT References: <953074755@zbee.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000315075953.03252.00002222@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23643 >I have made recessed hand grips using craft knife & chisels. There has to be >an easier way. 2 tips you may find useful. > 1. Undercut the top edge a little to give your fingers a better grip. I've made many a handhold with a wobble blade. First you C-clamp boards on the saw table to get the correct placement, and put your fence in the right position. Then carefully lay down the box on top of the blade. Undercuts aren't possible with this setup, unfortunately. You need more sophisticated equipment for that. And I agree that undercuts are very nice. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Mar 2000 13:04:06 GMT References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000315080406.03252.00002225@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23644 From: "L.E.G." gmt@crosslink.net >Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have >to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if >any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. I doubt it. -Plus the bradford pear is not really going to give you much shade. How about a tulip poplar instead? Fast growing, beautiful form, dense shade, fairly strong, and lots of nectar when it blooms. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:46:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 15 14:46:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.73 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23645 In article <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz>, "Carman" wrote: > Greetings all > > Much to my suprise our latest Beekeeping Assoc newsletter featured the > following recipe for Garlic Butter fried bees, I wasn't sure whether to post > this here, but there may be some who are interested. > i would suggest for any connosieurs to only use the drones, they are larger > non productive (other than reproductive function), so more expendable > > Garlic Butter Fried Bees > > 1/4c butter or cooking oil > 6 cloves garlic > 1c cleaned bees (larvae) > > Heat oil or butter over low heat in frypan or pot. Slowly fry the garlic > for 5 minsor till slightly brown. > add the insects and continue to fry at the same temp for 10-15mins, stirring > occassionally. > Do not over heat or the garlic will burn. > The insects can be included in tacos, used as condiments with rice and > tortillas or offered as appetisers. If drained well they can be served as > snack any time or packaged like nuts. > > bon appetit > carman > Sounds okay to me, Carman! I've eaten drone larvae right out of the cell when I was looking for mites. But what is this about "cleaned bees." When we "clean" a chicken, rabbit, or any other animal we take out the guts. Sounds like a very tedious job with drone larvae!! :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38D0D5B6.7D340977@zzclinic.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:38:14 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Subject: Re: Buying used equipment. References: <38CFDBD3.FAC216DB@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p3-28.clinic.net X-Trace: 16 Mar 2000 07:38:08 -0500, d-p3-28.clinic.net Lines: 30 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p3-28.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23646 Glen & Zoe wrote: > > This being my very first year in bees, I was looking at saving a bit of > money as I have to buy everything. I have been offered an extensive > collection of used equipment from a person who has quit the hobby. There > is absolutely everything I will need from hives and frames right up to > an extractor and bottling pails. My dilemna is that some of the frames > have wax-moth damage. There is about 160 frames total, with about 50 > clean, 50 needing cleaning and the remainder needing the foundation > replaced. Should I pass on this stuff because of the wax-moth?? Can I > remove the crap and flame-sterilize everything?? It still is a good deal > but the guy wants to sell it all together. Thanks for any help, Glen > Archer. I bought all my initial equipment through a reputable beekeeper. It had AFB and had to burn everything. Only good thing was the seller refunded my money and let me keep the extras- suit, smoker and hive tool. Bought new and have never regretted it. You have peace of mind. Forget about treating with terramycine to cover AFB if it is there in old equipment. It will be there after you stop. I do not recommend new beekeepers buy used. Too many problems you can inherit. After several years of beekeeping, then you know what to look for with used equipment. Plus, unfortunately hives, frames, bottom and top covers are not all standard. If you buy from one of the national companies, like Kelly which I like, you will have interchangeable equipment. Bill T Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 23647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:43:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.226.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953214225 209.245.226.8 (Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:43:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:43:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23647 "Mike Montgomery" wrote: >Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the >basics. Photos and some design tips for observation hives may be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/obs1.htm and the page following it. John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 23648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Gregory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:28:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38D0FD81.9BE099F6@mich.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4264.51472EC9@mich.com> <38CE8A0A.B1967FF@netins.net> Reply-To: getebee@mich.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23648 I use a cypress stand, a standard reversible bottom board, an entrance reducer/mouse guard, and slatted rack under two hive bodies, a std. inner cover and telescoping top. Each hive body is wrapped in a single layer of tar paper. Both hives are in the same location, one had water the other was OK. The one without was tilted forward (entrance lower than the back slightly). After shaking out the water from the combs I repositioned the weak hive with the same slope and shimmed the top cover for more ventilation, on both. I am located in SE Michigan(Ann Arbor) Since My last post I've re-entered the hive to check the queen and she appears quite sluggish despite the unseasonably warm weather. There's very little brood and almost no eggs. Hope this helps, Gregory David wrote: > Could you describe what your hive setup was that caused so much water in it? It may be helpful for others to know. > Thanks > > Gregory wrote: > > > > I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water > > in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor > > of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. > > Gregory > > > > nwolfe wrote: > > > > > My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > > > going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > > > a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > > > starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > > > at this location survived > > > > > > The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > > > I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > > > inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > > > and the workers threw them out. > > > > > > What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > > > > > > Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > > > fair price, before the worms set in? > > > > > > What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small extractor, uncap.plane for sale -- c. NY Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 17:16:29 GMT References: <38CD7880.55245DBE@hotmail.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316121629.00659.00001447@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23649 Hi Joel Did you sell that extractor yet I have been looking for a nice little radial extractor and your not to far away from me with in a days drive I would be real interested in buying it from you but I know I can't get up there for the next couple of weekends. I can work something out for the middle of next week if that will work for you ....I'm in Danbury CT I presently have 2 hives that made it through there first winter and they were out collecting pollen yesterday I am starting 3 more this april. I did get 65 lbs last year and I had to borrow a extrator so I have been looking on this board for quite sometime. I just hope that I'm not to late. I am interested in both the uncapping plane and the extractor if you still have them. Let me know and I'll work with you to set up a date for me to come pick it up.... Thanks Jim jpa555@aol.com Article 23650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: color of nuc boxes Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:24:18 GMT References: <38D016D1.29A305F1@sk.sympatico.ca> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000315202418.02534.00002269@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23650 >Now i need to paint, I was >wondering if anybody new what colors were the best so the Queen would >recognize her entrance easier. Any suggestions would be helpful. >Joe Edwards Actually multi colored hives work best but are not too practical. Don't worry to much about the Queen finding her way back. That what bees do best. Just make sure that you make the hives as different as possible. Landmarks like trees and anything else are great. Also facing the entrances in different directions helps out. Usually in addition I use a Mean Streak to draw shapes on front of the hives. Triangles, squares, etc. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:08:35 GMT References: <8aold5$50u$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316130835.06271.00000187@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23651 I have given up on Buckfasts myself due to the fact that I am an urban beekeeper and the supercedures can be a bit mean. This is not limited to the Buckfast strain and can happen with any line of bees. Weavers always treated me well and took care of any problems promptly and I kinda miss doing business with them. I am using York midnites these days and any gentle mongrel stock that I have. Requeening is good advice every bee book reccomends it and for good reason. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hobbyist Equipment Question Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:49:35 GMT References: <8am4nt$63n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316134935.02853.00002127@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23652 <> Do you make an effort to keep the brood boxes separate from the honey storage supers? Some people have posted here that it is important to avoid contamination of honey supers with darkened comb (from brood), and to keep medical treatments separate from the honey supers. Cheers, John Article 23653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan and reversing Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 18:35:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316133539.02853.00002124@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23653 If I am going to reverse hive bodies, do I want to wait until after that procedure to put the Apistan in? Does it make any difference if I already have strips in? Thanks in advance, John Article 23654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:45:52 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8arms2$87c$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p54.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 953245378 8428 203.96.192.182 (16 Mar 2000 22:22:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:22:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23654 wrote in message news:8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz>, > "Carman" wrote: > > Greetings all > > > > Much to my suprise our latest Beekeeping Assoc newsletter featured the > > following recipe for Garlic Butter fried bees, I wasn't sure whether > to post > > this here, but there may be some who are interested. > > i would suggest for any connosieurs to only use the drones, they are > larger > > non productive (other than reproductive function), so more expendable > > > > Garlic Butter Fried Bees > > > > 1/4c butter or cooking oil > > 6 cloves garlic > > 1c cleaned bees (larvae) > > > > Heat oil or butter over low heat in frypan or pot. Slowly fry the > garlic > > for 5 minsor till slightly brown. > > add the insects and continue to fry at the same temp for 10-15mins, > stirring > > occassionally. > > Do not over heat or the garlic will burn. > > The insects can be included in tacos, used as condiments with rice and > > tortillas or offered as appetisers. If drained well they can be > served as > > snack any time or packaged like nuts. > > > > bon appetit > > carman > > > Sounds okay to me, Carman! I've eaten drone larvae right out of > the cell when I was looking for mites. But what is this about "cleaned > bees." When we "clean" a chicken, rabbit, or any other animal we take > out the guts. Sounds like a very tedious job with drone larvae!! :-) > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Greetings Herb what do they taste like? and why did you feel inspired to try them? I'm surprised at the amount of garlic suggested in the recipe I've noticed how the larvae seem to be quite fluid-like when crushed so i imagine them to be fairly runny consistency inside carman Article 23655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help----please Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:33:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316173347.02519.00002790@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23655 > hello > I have a bad case of flea's in my lawn.. > was wondering what can I spray or put out > that will not harm my bees.......... Beneficial nematodes are useful on ground-dwelling larvae such as fleas and beetles--Ortho makes one that comes as a granule. It's a little expensive, but truly will not harm bees or any other beneficial insects. When I worked as a landscaper, we used nematodes to treat all kinds of lawn grubs and larvae--with great success. The problem with chemical pesticides is that, although they may not actually contact and kill any bees (assuming you don't have clover or dandylions blooming yet), they will kill off most of your ground-dwelling beneficials, including earthworms. Also, depending on where you live (city or country?) you may want to see if there are any rabbit warrens in the area. Rabbits can be a continuing source of flea problems, and treating for the fleas without getting rid of the rabbits means that the fleas will just come right back. (Probably worse than before if you use chemical pesticides that kill off any beneficials that would help control the flea population.) > And also---->> what can I use as a general bug spray for my >garden????????????????? > rose's ect..ect.... > would be thankful for any help.............. > thanks-----Dusty > As one poster mentioned, Bt is good for some insects. Aphids are best addressed by simply washing them off with a blast of water from the hose. If you do this regularly, the remaining aphids will help keep your predator insect populations high, while minimizing damage to roses. There is no "magic bullet" when it comes to gardening--even non organic gardening. There is lots of info on non toxic gardening here: http://sunsite.unc.edu/rge/main.htm or just look at the rec.gardens.ecosytems newsgroup. One of the moderators works at the Los Angeles arboretum in the Rose Garden, which is maintained organically. They have more info on managing pests on roses at: http://victorian-rose.org Organic gardening methods (or at least IPM or Integrated Pest Management--see http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu) will not only save your bees, but also lots of other beneficial insects in your garden. It's worth the extra effort it takes to learn the techniques, IMHO. HTH, Kelly Article 23656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie hygiene Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:14:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.56.164.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 16 23:14:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.56.164.37 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkennyp3618 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23656 Although it's still wet & cool here in western WA state (highs in the 50s) the pussy willows are starting to bloom & I got in yesterday to do some spring cleaning (feed, reverse the hive bodies, treat with apistan, fumadil & menthol and clean the bottom board). The hive was clustered in the upper hive body. The middle frames of the lower hive body are empty & pretty moldy. Do I have to burn out the foundation or is it safe to add? Is this a stupid question? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Mar 2000 00:00:56 GMT References: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316190056.21845.00001155@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23657 Too cold for menthol, Bees will clean up moldy frames and comb just fine. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Displacement of rucher Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:56:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ago91$13n5$1@news4.isdnet.net> <8aold3$50u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953254658 nnrp-06:3805 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23658 In article <8aold3$50u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Probably best to move them over 3 miles (put them on a good crop and get >some honey!) for a month and then bring them back to their new site. Yes. The thing is to get as many old bees flying as possible and orientate to the new site before moving the hive(s) back. How long you leave them depends on how many go out flying. If the number is decreasing as the brood nest expands then the time can be short. If there is one really warm day, then you could take them immediately after that. They seem to wipe their memories completely holding only one map. They do remember landmarks differently, hence the 3 miles or more recommended (5km). I set up a new apiary of 8 hives and to my horror, found it became a bog the day after (there had been heavy rain for a few days beforehand, and the site was dry when we set it up and when we moved the hives). I decided I could move them completely just over a mile away to another new apiary as I did not believe they had foraged any distance in view of the ambient temperatures of around 12 or 13 degrees over the 2 weeks. It is a marvellous sight to see them immediately orientating once released. There were no signs of bees returning to the old site, which I have now moved about 20 yards to a dry location. -- James Kilty Article 23659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Save the Autralian bumblebee Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20000314075945.21917.00001639@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953254659 nnrp-06:3805 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23659 In article <20000314075945.21917.00001639@ng-cd1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes > Recently on this list, several authoritative sources with references weighed >in to say bumblebees have not been established in Australia. Nobody has ever >claimed that there were native Australian bumblebees. Until now. I seem to have had this posting 3 times. -- James Kilty Article 23660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:29:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953254660 nnrp-06:3805 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23660 In article <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net>, kent stienburg writes >I have tried Buckfast bees also. I found that they lived up to the hype >but in all of my cases when they superceded undesirable characteristics >came out. If you want to keep them I would suggest re-queening >annually. I have gone back to Carniolans. (If you are in the UK) I wish more Brits would get together to bring out the native bee characteristics. The black bee is docile, contrary to many authors. If beekeepers in an area combined resources, life would be easier. But even if they don't, matings can be within race as the queens and drones fly in colder weather, so can mate at different times than other races do. The problem of temper can be resolved by being ruthless in culling where temper is bad. this means rearing more than you need. I know it's easier in West Cornwall than the S.E. of England, where imports continue and cross breeding is rampant. Where are you anyway? If you are not in the UK the choice of race must depend on your climate pattern. Ask where does the race originate? What is the climate and forage there throughout the year? If yours is similar, then they should do well. Whilst acknowledging Bro Adam's contribution to our understanding of bee breeding, I am willing to stick my neck out as a heretic and suggest he went down a breeding dead end. He dismissed our native bee mistakenly and people still argue it died out with disease. We now know the genes are well and truly surviving, the race may be more ancient than Carniolans and Italians, and if my reading of the books is right, it holds the record for honey production in the UK, in spite of imports, Buckfasts and the like. Do people anywhere do proper scientific researches on the productivity of different races in different localities and propensity to disease, over several seasons? Now that would be nice to know. Obviously migratory and static beekeeping could give different results. Now, will the axe fall? -- James Kilty Article 23661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Mar 2000 01:29:24 GMT References: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000316202924.01808.00000369@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23661 From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com >The hive was >clustered in the upper hive body. The middle frames of the lower hive >body are empty & pretty moldy. Do I have to burn out the foundation or >is it safe to add? Is this a stupid question? The only stupid question, Kenny, is the one that isn't asked. I would not destroy the comb; bees can clean up mold, as soon as they get a decent flow; you'll be surprised how fast they will clean it up. However, the mold does indicate a damp, unhealthy environment. Maybe it's an impossibility, given your location, but you might work on better ventilation next fall, for wintering. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:29:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38D19877.4632CD7D@kingston.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23662 James Kilty wrote: > > > (If you are in the UK) I wish more Brits would get together to bring out the native bee characteristics. The black bee is docile, contrary to > many authors. If beekeepers in an area combined resources, life would be easier. But even if they don't, matings can be within race as the queens and drones fly in colder weather, so can mate at different times than other races do. The problem of temper can be resolved by being ruthless in culling where temper is bad. this means rearing more than you need. Where are you anyway? If you are not in the UK the choice of race must depend on your climate pattern. Ask where does the race originate? What is the climate and forage there throughout the year? If yours is similar, then they should do well. I am willing to stick my neck out as a > heretic and suggest he went down a breeding dead end. He dismissed our > native bee mistakenly and people still argue it died out with disease. > We now know the genes are well and truly surviving, the race may be more ancient than Carniolans and Italians, and if my reading of the books is right, it holds the record for honey production in the UK, in spite of imports, Buckfasts and the like. > Do people anywhere do proper scientific researches on the productivity > of different races in different localities and propensity to disease, > over several seasons? Now that would be nice to know. Obviously > migratory and static beekeeping could give different results. > Hi James, Well for your first question I am located in Ontario Canada. I agree with your remark regarding using bees that do well in your own climate. I have always felt that is important. I think if you can find a local breeder it might be a bit easier but finding a breeder who's strain you like is the important issue. I won't tell anyone not to try any of the different strains of bees that are around for the simple fact that you pointed out, you have to find the strain that works for you in your areas. Apis carnica seem to do well here for me. The tendency for them to swarm keeps me on my toes :-). I also agree that to think of any bee now as being pure is false. With the amount of cross breeding and such I believe it is difficult to maintain pureness. I wish you Brits would get together and help your native bee :-) I think it would be interesting to see what their characteristics are. I'm not sure by culling out bees such as the Buckfast would reduce the temper since the bee never existed naturally. I think it would be easier done if the strain had the tendency already. I don't think that many of us have the time nor ability to develop a proper statistical or scientific study on our findings in our bee yards. I'm sure there are some who can but I think the majority go with what works for them. I hope you have a bountiful season ahead. Kent Stienburg Article 23663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Breeding Stock (was: Re: Buckfast Bees) Date: 17 Mar 2000 07:23:39 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8at84b$dtj$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23663 In article , James Kilty wrote: > >Do people anywhere do proper scientific researches on the productivity >of different races in different localities and propensity to disease, >over several seasons? Now that would be nice to know. Obviously >migratory and static beekeeping could give different results. Hahahah. Good question. In the USA, the last comparative "stock" experiment was conducted over ten years ago (email me for citations). It's not in the USA's beekeeping industry's business interest to compare and contrast stock. Since the USA's borders are CLOSED to _Apis mellifera_ germplasm, here in the USA, beekeepers are dealing with a slight genetic load, a population that's finite with respect to genetic combinations. When an introduced pathogen like varroa begins to thrive in this population, the "finiteness" becomes apparent, with serious hive losses. Enter POLITICS! Enter the USDA **hooray**. Enter the RUSSIAN BEES. Time, and careful selection will determine how keeping honey bees in the USA evolves. Keep your eyes and ears open. How is it in other countries? Anyone want to describe the stock/race situation in their country? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees Date: 17 Mar 2000 07:28:03 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8at8cj$e5u$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23664 In article <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net>, L.E.G. wrote: >Hi >A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us >here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my >shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have >to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if >any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. I've seen bees getting pollen from the happy trees. Nectar? probably not. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: color of nuc boxes Date: 17 Mar 2000 07:34:57 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8at8ph$ehh$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <38D016D1.29A305F1@sk.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23665 In article <38D016D1.29A305F1@sk.sympatico.ca>, Joe Edwards wrote: >I'm planning to make up quite a few nucs this year by putting a divider >in the middle of my new honey supers. Also drilling a 1" hole on either >side for an entrance for each half. Now i need to paint, Rather than drill a hole, why not make a bottom board (I use migratory tops) with a routed or grooved recesses in it--then you have two entrances and you don't ruin the box (you might not want the holes in it in the future) or the top. I use spray paint and a few stencils and vary a blocky pattern near entrances. Use different colors, and different patterns. Any whole color will do. With white, the entrance pattern shows up real nice. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:53:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8at6be$app$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8arms2$87c$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.33 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 17 11:53:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.33 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23666 In article <8arms2$87c$1@news.wave.co.nz>, "Carman" wrote: > > Greetings Herb > what do they taste like? > and why did you feel inspired to try them? > I'm surprised at the amount of garlic suggested in the recipe > I've noticed how the larvae seem to be quite fluid-like when crushed so i > imagine them to be fairly runny consistency inside > > carman > I had read a lot about eating larvae before doing it. They are supposed to have a slightly sour taste, but I've only run across one that did. Mostly they don't have any taste to me and they definitely have a runny consistency. What prompted me to try it was probably one of those little boy- macho-things. When the state bee inspector looked for mites the first time he dug out a drone larvae with a tooth pick and popped it in his mouth. Then he offered me the next one. How could I refuse? :-) Yesterday we did a major clean-up and inspection of one of our hives and accumulated about a spoonful of larvae so I tried a smaller scale version of the recipe. I'm afraid those appetizers aren't going to be a big hit. They taste like garlic. No surprise there. Royal jelly and apilarnil are both good for humans so there are genuine health reasons to eat larvae - once we get past the psychological hurdle. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: color of nuc boxes Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:02:43 GMT References: <8at8ph$ehh$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000317110243.01729.00003059@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23667 I made a few double nuc boxes from deeps and before nailing them together I dadoed a groove to hold a piece of 1/4" plywood between the halves. The bottom board gets two strips of wood nailed to it to recieve the plywood and the front of the bottom board gets a piece of wood as an entrance reducer which moves each entrance towards the sides. I make the bottom board a little thicker than normal so that a frame with queen cells hanging off the bottom wont be damaged. It helps to ease the edge of the plywood with sandpaper when sliding it in. Now I make nucs from scrap plywood to hold 5 frames or 4 and a division board feeder. Again make em a little deeper than a regular hive so you can use frames with queen cells sticking off the bottom. On the top of the plywood divider I used a strip of foam rubber to prevent the bees going back and forth and get a good seal against the lid. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: "Kevin Van Cott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fumidil question Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:37:27 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8atpos$kfg$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.173.240.244 X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 953313884 20976 128.173.240.244 (17 Mar 2000 17:24:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2000 17:24:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23668 I noticed that my hive does not seem to consume the fumidil medicated sugar syrup as quickly as plain syrup. Is this normal? Another question: I had a weaker hive die due to a cold snap back in January. When I cleaned out the hive a month ago, there were a number of dead bees stuck in the cells of the comb in some frames. There is still a lot of honey on the other side of these frames. Can I re-use these, or just toss them. Thanks, Kevin Van Cott Shawsville, VA Article 23669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeding Stock (was: Re: Buckfast Bees) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:56:46 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8au9o0$v7b$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> <8at84b$dtj$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-154.aluminum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 953330240 31979 62.136.12.154 (17 Mar 2000 21:57:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2000 21:57:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23669 Adam Finkelstein wrote in message news:8at84b$dtj$1@saltmine.radix.net... > > How is it in other countries? Anyone want to describe the stock/race > situation in their country? ---------------------------------- A mess! Article 23670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's HK1Beeman? Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953331919 216.100.16.37 (Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:25:19 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:25:19 MST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:25:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23670 Where's that country boy been? It must be springtime, or maybe he is going around hanging the Stars and Bars on public buildings over there in those fine Carolinas. Article 23671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fumidil question Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Mar 2000 00:01:50 GMT References: <8atpos$kfg$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000317190150.02150.00002076@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23671 From: "Kevin Van Cott" kvancott@vt.edu >I had a weaker hive die due to a cold snap back in January. When I cleaned >out the hive a month ago, there were a number of dead bees stuck in the >cells of the comb in some frames. There is still a lot of honey on the >other side of these frames. Can I re-use these, or just toss them. When the cluster dies with their heads in the cells it points to starvation as a possible cause. Even though there was honey, the cluster was too cold to move to it. Perhaps it was a small cluster, too? Always do a post-mortem to check for foulbrood scale. If none is present you can reuse the frames. The honey and pollen will help feed a package till they get going. For a picture of scale see: http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:29:22 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-08-43.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23672 I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can use for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do any of the bee supply companies carry it? Thanks for any info. D. Bainbridge Article 23673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:57:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38d36d3c.44152449@news1.radix.net> References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23673 On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:29:22 -0600, David wrote: >I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can use for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know >where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do >any of the bee supply companies carry it? > >Thanks for any info. > >D. Bainbridge I bought a roll from the Walter T Kelley Co. years ago. I don't see rolls listed in their 2000 catalog but you could give them a call at 270 242-2012. Greg the beekeep Article 23674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: screened bottom board Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:17:43 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <38D381F7.221FCF77@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-2-226.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 953386217 16492 216.176.149.226 (18 Mar 2000 13:30:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Mar 2000 13:30:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23674 does anyone have plans for a screened bottom board. I've never seen one and would like to make some. One could probably modify a regular bottom. Article 23675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.nntp.mr.net!news7.onvoy.net!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Frame construction Question from a newbie Lines: 20 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:33:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 953361192 209.32.197.15 (Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:33:12 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:33:12 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23675 >I would appreciate any insight anyone has to offer on this...and thanx in >advance for you help on this. I should also mention that I have found this >newsgroup provides a wealth of information that otherwise wouldnt be >accessible to newbies like myself. > If your looking to save a few bucks I would buy frames from a supplier, but if you want to build them yourselve for pride or just like working with wood and bees then do it. I built 1200 frames in 3 days time and learned a lot doing it. I used 2X4, 2X6, 2X8 and 2X10 stock which I got free from the local truss company. One short cut when making the end bars is to cut the lumber in 9 1/8 stock and then cut bottom and top grove before sawing out the end bar. I used a router to cut these but a dado on a good table saw would go faster. Before you try to build your selve you should have a table saw, and a router really helps to get nice looking end bars. Elroy Article 23676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:43:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3Y$YeAACFt04EwOe@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> <38D19877.4632CD7D@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953368166 nnrp-07:27238 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 39 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23676 In article <38D19877.4632CD7D@kingston.net>, kent stienburg writes >With the amount of cross breeding and >such I believe it is difficult to maintain pureness. Yes and nature is an exacting selector for the area. We do have pockets where the native bee genes are very high, in Great Britain and Ireland as well as northern continental Europe, notably Scandinavia. > I wish you Brits >would get together and help your native bee :-) The Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association has that objective. > I think it would be >interesting to see what their characteristics are. I'm not sure by >culling out bees such as the Buckfast would reduce the temper since the >bee never existed naturally. I only say cull the bad-tempered ones and select for the best characteristics with both maternal and paternal lines where possible. We can also import from outside our area from breeders who have a better start with the black bee. snip >I don't think that many of us have >the time nor ability to develop a proper statistical or scientific study >on our findings in our bee yards. Here is the problem. So many swear by their choice. Yet we need data to inform our choices. I have friends who import Italians and others who have bought Carnicans. I rely on the mating choices of my bees being towards their own type. Unfortunately, as I understand it, mongrels will always be mongrels, except that natural selection keeps culling where we don't save them by various treatments and feeding and converges the genes a little each time. Overall, with repeated imports, it may be a losing battle. But we have a little group here dedicated to measurement and gene studies. With a little funding, we may go quite a long way down this road. > I'm sure there are some who can but I >think the majority go with what works for them. I hope you have a >bountiful season ahead. You too. -- James Kilty Article 23677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: grichtmeye@aol.com (GRichtmeye) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Mar 2000 11:09:34 GMT References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000318060934.22025.00002409@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23677 I do not know what state you are in but here in oklahoma we get it at ace hardware store if thay do not have they will order it for you our bee club order a 100ft. roll and we paid .99 a ft.for it GRichtmeye@aol.com Article 23678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "workerbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <76NA4.12279$Nn6.415239@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:17:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.188.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953392643 63.20.188.252 (Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:17:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:17:23 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23678 I haven't built any but have been thinking about it. The small hive beetle and wax moth do not like light. I store my pulled supers and dead out brood boxes on their side in the garage or between the hives and have no problem with moths. Too early to tell about the beetle yet. One consideration about glass or Plexiglas hives is shave to keep the direct sunlight from overheating the hive and keeping it warm in the winter. Don in NC Mike Montgomery wrote in message news:NHZy4.3139$QF6.138248@news5.giganews.com... > Has anyone build a glass-sided beehive. Could you post me a note about the > basics. > Same as a regular hive, or are there special considerations. > Do bees need darkness? > I would like to keep a hive in my office if I can. > Thanks in advance for your consideration > > Article 23679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Possible suggestion for drones Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:06:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <8am5d1$r46$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ao7n9$m9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8arms2$87c$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8at6be$app$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23679 With six cloves of garlic you could fry up dirt and sticks and it would taste the same as bee larva:) herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote in message <8at6be$app$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <8arms2$87c$1@news.wave.co.nz>, >"Carman" wrote: >> >> Greetings Herb >> what do they taste like? >> and why did you feel inspired to try them? >> I'm surprised at the amount of garlic suggested in the recipe >> I've noticed how the larvae seem to be quite fluid-like when crushed >so i >> imagine them to be fairly runny consistency inside >> >> carman >> > I had read a lot about eating larvae before doing it. They are >supposed to have a slightly sour taste, but I've only run across one >that did. Mostly they don't have any taste to me and they definitely >have a runny consistency. > What prompted me to try it was probably one of those little boy- >macho-things. When the state bee inspector looked for mites the first >time he dug out a drone larvae with a tooth pick and popped it in his >mouth. Then he offered me the next one. How could I refuse? :-) > Yesterday we did a major clean-up and inspection of one of our hives >and accumulated about a spoonful of larvae so I tried a smaller scale >version of the recipe. I'm afraid those appetizers aren't going to be a >big hit. They taste like garlic. No surprise there. > Royal jelly and apilarnil are both good for humans so there are >genuine health reasons to eat larvae - once we get past the >psychological hurdle. > Sincerely, > Herb > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. > Article 23680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "workerbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Where's HK1Beeman? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <2ISA4.10917$kv6.540085@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:39:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.188.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953415550 63.20.188.148 (Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:39:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:39:10 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23680 Jest talked to Kevin. Heans and heans wife has both been under the weather for some time. Them two has fit the flu bug and heans wife had a little bout of surgery. Them folks seem better now so i's sure youns will hear from him soon. Don Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.133c50dab1acc4d7989aac@news.pe.net... > Where's that country boy been? It must be springtime, or maybe he > is going around hanging the Stars and Bars on public buildings > over there in those fine Carolinas. Article 23681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb, la Página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:24:43 +0100 Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.76.145 Message-ID: <38d404fd$2_3@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 18 Mar 2000 23:36:45 +0100, 195.5.76.145 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.76.145 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23681 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha superado todas nuestras espectavas de visitas, superando la frontera de las 3.000 visitas mensuales. Puedes encontrar dentro de nuestro espacio las ya clasicas secciones de: @groEscuela, con documentos relacionados con la Agricultura y Ganadería @groPreguntas @groNoticias - 41 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Donde poseemos unas de la mayores bases de datos del sector: 2.000 enlaces de los cuales + 1.000 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades. Esperamos tu visita y que agrade nuestro espacio. Article 23682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:39:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 18 23:39:04 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.51 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23682 In article <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net>, dkb@netins.net wrote: > I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can use for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know > where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do > any of the bee supply companies carry it? > > Thanks for any info. > > D. Bainbridge > David, this morning you had a response from GRichtmeye that said he got it at Ace Hardware for 99 cents a foot in Oklahoma. I couldn't post then and now can't find his post. Anyway it looks like I got ripped off!! I got some at Ace Hardware (only place I could find it) here in NW Florida and paid $2.79 a foot for a 3 ft. wide roll. Brushy Mountain sells the wood frame with 1/8 mesh wire attached, but I've forgotten how much that cost. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:01:22 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8b1frj$gn2$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Trace: 3bPrXvR4PR44SN8LLDOjv4twhoP+ORZlFukIj09rnjQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Mar 2000 03:00:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23683 wrote in message news:8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net>, > dkb@netins.net wrote: > > I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can use > for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know > > where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find > anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do > > any of the bee supply companies carry it? > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > You can order just about any kind of screen/mesh imaginable online at www.twpinc.com. Article 23684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's HK1Beeman? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Mar 2000 05:12:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000319001220.02594.00002763@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23684 hea i is been fightin them damn yankee flu's as of late. bout to go crazy building bee vac's, seems brushy mountain can't sell enough of them. tryin to git the bees ready for spring and keepin up with the vac's at the same time. done had to hire me a cousin ta help out its so much. ya'll come see us Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.randori.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's HK1Beeman? Message-ID: References: <20000319001220.02594.00002763@ng-fh1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953451322 216.100.16.37 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:35:22 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:35:22 MST Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:35:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23685 Whew! When the Old Drone dropped out like that for a while it turned out he had upped and died! Thanks, workerbee. I might take you up on that one day Big Johnson, thanks for the activity report. Respectfully; Pete/Hemet In article <20000319001220.02594.00002763@ng-fh1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > hea i is > been fightin them damn yankee flu's as of late. > bout to go crazy building bee vac's, seems brushy mountain can't sell enough of > them. > > tryin to git the bees ready for spring and keepin up with the vac's at the same > time. > done had to hire me a cousin ta help out its so much. > > ya'll come see us > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Article 23686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Beekeeping Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:36:49 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-118.dexfenfluramine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 953473584 24517 62.136.89.246 (19 Mar 2000 13:46:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Mar 2000 13:46:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23686 Hi there, This is a great place for reading of and chatting to fellow beekeepers world-wide but I would also like to be able to find a news group for those of us in the UK. Why? Well although there are a lot of things we all have in common there are times, like when wants practical help at hand, like locating bees for sale locally, that it would be nice to be able to find UK keepers fast. I know you all find it difficult to tell where everyone is from even sometimes after reading their post. does anyone know of a specific UK group please? Regards Freddie. Article 23687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small radial extractors -- effective? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 108 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:43:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 953480596 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:43:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:43:16 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23687 There have been more and more small-sized radial extractors coming on the hobbiest market in recent years. (Several are offered by Eurpoean manufacturers, also Kelley's 12 frame model, Dadant's "Ranger," "6/12" etc.) Having used one myself (Maxant, 6 frame hand-cranker), I wonder what others' experiences with such machines have been. I am interested to know, as my own have not been particularly good. Main thing is, I never was successful in emptying combs with the radial configuration. Not once. Even with a small motor rigged up, extraction was incomplete, and still took a very long time. It was faster to just spin 3 combs at a time, tangentially, than to run a motor for an extended period, and the combs were left with far less residual honey in the tangential arrangement. This was quite disappointing, as my intent was to be able to empty 6 combs at a time, _without_ any need to stop, take out each comb, turn it around, and replace it mid-cycle. Thus the advantages of radial extraction were not realized. I should add that the motor I tried was quite small, and started heating up too much, so I only ran it for like 5 minutes at a time. A more substantial motor and a running time of 10-15 minutes might have yielded much better results. Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small radials effective? Under what operating conditions? At all, with hand power? Upon the advice of the folks at Maxant, I even tried warming the supers for a few days prior to extracting, and there was still FAR too much honey left in the combs with the radial configuration. (..and as far as I know, the honey in this region is not particularly thick or dense.) Not sure, but I suspect that a small extractor diameter does not lend itself to developing the force required to adequately empty a small number of combs, radially. That, or the rpm's must be much higher (say, 300 rpm) in a small machine than a large one, for even moderately acceptable results. In any case, radial extracting takes _much_ longer, per load, and far longer than the average person would be willing to spend cranking the thing around! Certainly more than 10 or 12 minutes, and even then, there is apt to be substantial honey left in the combs. It would seem that a motor would be absolutely essential for effective operation of even a small radial machine, considering the long spinning time and rpm's required. Interested in any comments. Following, I include some discussion on the subject from an older edition of the Roots' bee culture encyclopedia, in case anyone might wish to check it out. thanks & regards, Joel Govostes nr. Ithaca, NY jwg6@cornell.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Referencing ABC & XYZ of BEE CULTURE, by Root (c. 1974), on the subject of radial extractors: "The Radial Principle is Not Practicable for Hand Extractors The radial 45 and 50 comb extractors owe their great efficiency and capacity to their size. An extractor on the radial principle holding eight or ten combs would be much slower per comb than a two or four frame extractor of the old type where the combs are reversed. Under conditions requiring 15 minutes to extract 45 combs in the radial, five minutes would be needed to extract four combs in the reversible type machine. To avoid excessive air pressure on the combs in a radial extractor the combs must be close together. This is not possible in a hand extractor. Moreover, to extract honey thoroughly from combs in a radial position a speed of at least 250 revolutions per minute is necessary, and the relatively long time required makes the radial principle impractical for a small machine." Now, the Roots experimented with different extractors, back in 1921, to compare the amount of honey remaining in/on the combs after spinning. The power extractor under test was an 8-frame reversible, operated at a max. speed of 350 rpm. After 2.5 minutes, the amount of honey left in the cells averaged 3 to 3.5 %. The residues left in combs spun in a 4 frame hand-powered extractor were much higher "The reason for this is plain enough -- the hand power is not sufficient to maintain a high speed. One's hand or arm gets tired except in the case of the two- or three-frame extractor." (p.278) Obviously, then, motor-power is much more effective, allowing much higher rpm's, and to boot, it frees you up to un-cap the next load of frames. The whole process goes much faster -- especially if one is working alone. According to ABC&XYZ, Root first tried the radial principle in 1888, with a small 6-frame extractor. "He demonstrated then that it was perfectly possible to extract honey from both sides of the comb at the same time without reversing, but it took from three to four times as long to get the honey out as when an equal number of combs were placed in a machine like those already described {i.e., reversible tangential types}.(p.274) (...and in my experience, "three to four times as long" is a majorunderstatement.) "On the basis that the 8-frame extractor of the reversible type takes three minutes to extract a load and that the big [radial] machine takes 12 minutes to extract 45 or 50 combs, it is seen that the latter does its work in a little over half the time..." (p.277) So the efficiency goes way up when you start talking about the big radials, and of course, the diameters, given their capacity, are huge, creating much more outward force to empty the combs. OR so it would appear... thanks, j. Article 23688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Who sells beeswax foundation molds? Message-ID: <4qv9dskh6vcg76r5er1mt0k2h1u761fjoi@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:26:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.234.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953483164 209.245.234.10 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:26:04 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:26:04 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23688 Where can I buy a wax foundation mold with a non-stick surface? I am looking for a waffle iron style of foundation mold with a non-stick surface that does not require a release agent, if such an item exists. Thanks, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 23689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "like-life" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plants Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wq5/f8PdWQkeiF0dnkpTp7dtg+OTdYYYBvxgpBJSeto7WhefkOPaOuKyZhHX+yxjQUcPJkqwHWt!qKQI2iMZEkgrjapZvtX+7xGI5M12zr0YWE4uux/AW++sWVQCuuOC73cqrI/FcMOPgHRwmbsYwA0h!Kfd6xDWoLV30kXekXho= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:36:40 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:36:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23689 I was planting some different srubs and plants to give my bees some extra pollen............ I have a 140 foot long fence line coming up my drive..........I haven't planted anything there as of this time..........I was wondering if anyone knew of a good climbing plant I could put there that would bloom all summer...... open for ideals Dusty Article 23690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small radial extractors -- effective? Message-ID: References: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953485613 216.100.16.37 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:06:53 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:06:53 MST Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:06:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23690 I had a plastic, hand cranked extractor. It was made in China, ordered through Dadant. It cost about $100. It would spin two frames at a time. The frames were set up facing the walls of the extractor, not diagonal to the walls (radial?), so just with a hand crank it was possible to put a lot of centrifugal force on the frames and empty the cells and sometimes some of the comb itself would be spun off the frame. My boys and I almost had to go into business those years when I started out with Langstroth frames, but now I am more of a leisure time beekeeper with my top bar hive, so I sold my two-frame hand-cranked-extractor. In article <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com>, jwgbee@hotmail.com says... > Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small > radials effective? > Article 23691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.online.be!news.online.be!not-for-mail From: "Erwin Hoebrechts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:40:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Online Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8b310s$l00$1@trex.antw.online.be> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> <38D19877.4632CD7D@kingston.net> <3Y$YeAACFt04EwOe@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a01-030.antw.online.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23691 Hello, I am a member of a small beeclub in central Belgium. Most of the members, myself included are working with CARNICA. This year, we would like to start with Buckfast. For this, we would like to purchase a queen. I was told that Danish breeders have a good strain. Can someone pass me some adresses,e -mail adresses, names,websites,... of Buckfast breeders? Thanks, Erwin Article 23692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: UK Beekeeping Message-ID: <953492256@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:57:36 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 953492526 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23692 On Mar 19, 2000 01:36pm, FCOOKE@LINEONE.NET wrote to ALL: Hello Freddie, > This is a great place for reading of and chatting to fellow beekeepers > world-wide but I would also like to be able to find a news group for those > of us in the UK. > does anyone know of a specific UK group please? You didn't say what part of the UK you live? I'm in London (Catford) Kent borders The Newsgroups for beekeeping are WORLD WIDE only two that I know of. We run a few mailing list that might interest, you can subscribe from this link http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/internet.htm Running 7 hives in 3 locations Regards Steve ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 23693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D52753.9CE39A00@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C83EC3B184CC48802AA8B587" Lines: 148 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:08:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 953492892 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:08:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:08:12 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23693 --------------C83EC3B184CC48802AA8B587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Kilty wrote: ... > I am willing to stick my neck out as aheretic and suggest he went down a > breeding dead end. > He dismissed our native bee mistakenly and people still argue it died out > with disease. > We now know the genes are well and truly surviving, the race may be more > ancient than Carniolans and Italians, and if my reading of the books is > right, it holds the record for honey ...but wouldn't Apis mellifera mellifera (native-British form) have been incorporated into the Buckfast breeding and selection programs, at some point in the dim past? I.e., wouldn't "Buckfast" stock likely carry a certain proportion of the native bee's genetic makeup? (Or was Br. Adam's selection work all carried out post-Isle-of-White, long after the supposed demise of the Br. bee?) Regarding this thread, my two cents would be that the Buckfasts I used to get from TX, a decade ago were much more consistent in traits and productivity than the ones I have worked with in recent years. I have heard, or read, that the TX breeder is no longer receiving Buckfast genetic stock directly from the Abbey, for use in instrumental insemination of Buckfast breeders(?), so perhaps the "pure" link to the Buckfast Abbey lines is not what it used to be. (? -- I mention this only as a possibility -- I do not know.) Not to knock Weavers' by any means. I, too was consistently pleased with their service and always enjoyed doing business with them. Their All-American Italians have been some of the best bees I have ever seen, second only to the Buckfasts I used to get. All I can say for sure is that when I first started using Buckfasts several years ago, I was extremely impressed. They were great -- their mild disposition, calmness, high productivity, utter cleanliness, and remarkable lack of propolizing made them a joy to work. Smoke and veil were practically unnecessary, and the frames could oftentimes be loosened and removed without even the need for a hive tool! What's more, I have seen Buckfast colonies go 2 and 3 years with absolutely no inclination to swarm, and that is something I have never seen in other bees, before or since. Granted, I never had any large number of Buckfasts at one time -- abt. a dozen -- and I realize that makes for a terribly small sample size, but the ones I did have back then were very consistent, truly worthy of the "super-bee" moniker, and unquestionably worth every penny. 'Hope to be getting some more B'fasts this season, and in the meantime, I'd prefer to chalk up the more recent mediocre Buckfasts to unfortunate aberrations, and give Weavers' the benefit of the doubt. After all, there is always a certain amount of variation, due to the vagaries of open mating, possibilities of poor weather during the mating period, etc., so there can occasionally be some real duds. Maybe others with further details or info could comment. (For instance, does the Canadian breeder of Buckfast still import breeding stock directly from the Abbey, or are they also "cut loose" and on their own nowadays, breeding solely from their own holdings?) comments/corrections? thanx JG > --------------C83EC3B184CC48802AA8B587 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
James Kilty wrote:

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I am willing to stick my neck out as aheretic and suggest he went down a breeding dead end.
He dismissed our native bee mistakenly and people still argue it died out with disease.
We now know the genes are well and truly surviving, the race may be more
ancient than Carniolans and Italians, and if my reading of the books is
right, it holds the record for honey

...but wouldn't Apis mellifera mellifera (native-British form)  have been incorporated into the Buckfast breeding and selection programs, at some point in the dim past?   I.e., wouldn't "Buckfast" stock likely carry a certain proportion of the native bee's genetic makeup?  (Or was Br. Adam's selection work all carried out post-Isle-of-White, long after the supposed demise of the Br. bee?)

Regarding this thread, my two cents would be that the Buckfasts I used to get from TX, a decade ago were much more consistent in traits and productivity than the ones I have worked with in recent years.  I have heard, or read, that the TX breeder is no longer receiving Buckfast genetic stock directly from the Abbey, for use in instrumental insemination of Buckfast breeders(?), so perhaps the "pure" link to the Buckfast Abbey lines is not what it used to be.  (? -- I mention this only as a possibility -- I do not know.)  Not to knock Weavers' by any means.  I, too was consistently pleased with their service and always enjoyed doing business with them.  Their All-American Italians have been some of the best bees I have ever seen, second only to the Buckfasts I used to get.

All I can say for sure is that when I first started using Buckfasts several years ago, I was extremely impressed.  They were great -- their mild disposition, calmness, high productivity, utter cleanliness, and remarkable lack of propolizing made them a joy to work.  Smoke and veil were practically unnecessary, and the frames could oftentimes be loosened and removed without even the need for a hive tool!  What's more, I have seen Buckfast colonies go 2 and 3 years with absolutely no inclination to swarm, and that is something I have never seen in other bees, before or since.

Granted, I never had any large number of Buckfasts at one time -- abt. a dozen -- and I realize that makes for a terribly small sample size, but the ones I did have back then were very consistent, truly worthy of the "super-bee" moniker, and unquestionably worth every penny.

'Hope to be getting some more B'fasts this season, and in the meantime, I'd prefer to chalk up the more recent mediocre Buckfasts to unfortunate aberrations, and give Weavers' the benefit of the doubt.  After all, there is always a certain amount of variation, due to the vagaries of open mating, possibilities of poor weather during the mating period, etc., so there can occasionally be some real duds.

Maybe others with further details or info could comment.  (For instance, does the Canadian breeder of Buckfast still import breeding stock directly from the Abbey, or are they also "cut loose" and on their own nowadays, breeding solely from their own holdings?)
 
comments/corrections?
thanx
JG
 
 
 
 
 

 
--------------C83EC3B184CC48802AA8B587-- Article 23694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plants Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Mar 2000 21:46:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23694 Once it is warm the bees can go for miles. What is really benneficial is an early source of pollen closae at hand. Pussy Willows ,Witch Hazel come to mind first Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:05:32 +0000 Message-ID: <1BZI4NAcEU14Ew2K@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> <38D52753.9CE39A00@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953503624 nnrp-08:4439 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23695 In article <38D52753.9CE39A00@hotmail.com>, JGinNY writes > ...but wouldn't Apis mellifera mellifera (native-British form)  > have been incorporated into the Buckfast breeding and selection > programs, at some point in the dim past?   I.e., wouldn't > "Buckfast" stock likely carry a certain proportion of the native > bee's genetic makeup?  (Or was Br. Adam's selection work all > carried out post-Isle-of-White, long after the supposed demise of > the Br. bee?) It was all post IOW. He rejected the black bees he had worked with as bad tempered and prone to disease and started afresh. In any case his stock had all died out and he proclaimed A.m.m. extinct. From memory, having got isolated mating sites, he would have excluded A.m.m. effectively. His trips through Europe, Africa and the near east brought promising strains into the programme. Perhaps someone more familiar with all of Bro. Adam's work would add to this. Beowulf Cooper, in Bees of the British Isles, gave a different view and provided evidence that A.m.m. was alive and well. He suggested that is was the Italian bee (A.m.ligustica) and crosses with the native bee, especially the crosses, were particularly prone to IOW disease, which we now know was viral, though associated with acarine. Most of the south coast of Britain had crossed (and cross) bees, which was where most of the losses were. In more northern and western parts, especially higher up, along with inland Ireland, native bees survived. The racial purity is sufficient for a number of groups to breed successfully. The Irish group is particularly respected for its conservation work. Bewulf founded the Village Bee Breeders Association, now renamed Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association of which I am a recent member. Interestingly, the native bee was brought to the US of A. There must be pockets of it well established where the climate is not too dissimilar from Northern Europe. Actually, quite a lot of North America must be climatically similar enough for it to do well. Remember that Sweden has a hardy strain of A.m.m so even northern parts, with hard winters and warm summers might have remnants there. Are there any studies of this? For interest in the work of BIBBA go to http://www.bibba.com or http://www.kentbee.com. -- James Kilty Article 23696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Beekeeping Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:11:07 +0000 Message-ID: <$x0KkSArJU14EwVn@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953503625 nnrp-08:4439 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23696 In article <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Freddie Cooke writes >Hi there, >This is a great place for reading of and chatting to fellow beekeepers >world-wide but I would also like to be able to find a news group for those >of us in the UK. I think you'll find one at http://www.kentbee.com. If you are interested in the native bee, join BIBBA and find them at http://wwww.bibba.com. They have a newsgroup, obviously specialising in breeding native or near native bees. -- James Kilty Article 23697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D55DF7.F7C50F5C@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> <38D52753.9CE39A00@hotmail.com> <1BZI4NAcEU14Ew2K@kilty.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 80 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:01:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 953506873 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:01:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:01:13 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23697 OK James -- Very interesting stuff. Actually, I have read B. Cooper's book as well, and did find it quite fascinating. Also, have read about claims that the native honey bee is in fact still alive and well in some northern pockets of UK. I don't recall how it is distinguished, though (morphometrics, DNA, behavior?). You make an intriguing point, regarding A.m.m. being brought to North America in the past. I wonder if it might be found in some remote areas of the Appalacian mtns, as many of the people in those regions are of strong Anglo-Saxon descent, and more or less isolated. Amyway, once the Italianizing craze took over, ages ago, NA was flooded with Italian blood, so if there were "pure" British lines here, most if not all were probably diluted a very long time ago (-- presumably). Cooper and his cohorts certainly did put much methodical effort into selection, and from his account it would appear that he was at least partially successful. Evidently the work goes on. Meanwhile, is anyone actively pursuing the search for remnants of the original Br. bee nowadays? And -- has the stock that Beowilf and other BIBBA people developed ever been made available (commercially), anywhere in UK? BTW, I have often wondered how bees were transported to the New World on ships in the first place, without their dying out along the way. The typical passage took a very long time, naturally, and if the bees were able to fly during the crossing, seems they would have just ended up being lost, out in the middle of nowhere. Anybody have info on how the successful introduction of honey bees to North America first came about? thanks, jg James Kilty wrote: > In article <38D52753.9CE39A00@hotmail.com>, JGinNY > writes > > ...but wouldn't Apis mellifera mellifera (native-British form)  > > have been incorporated into the Buckfast breeding and selection > > programs, at some point in the dim past?   I.e., wouldn't > > "Buckfast" stock likely carry a certain proportion of the native > > bee's genetic makeup?  (Or was Br. Adam's selection work all > > carried out post-Isle-of-White, long after the supposed demise of > > the Br. bee?) > It was all post IOW. He rejected the black bees he had worked with as > bad tempered and prone to disease and started afresh. In any case his > stock had all died out and he proclaimed A.m.m. extinct. From memory, > having got isolated mating sites, he would have excluded A.m.m. > effectively. His trips through Europe, Africa and the near east brought > promising strains into the programme. Perhaps someone more familiar with > all of Bro. Adam's work would add to this. > > Beowulf Cooper, in Bees of the British Isles, gave a different view and > provided evidence that A.m.m. was alive and well. He suggested that is > was the Italian bee (A.m.ligustica) and crosses with the native bee, > especially the crosses, were particularly prone to IOW disease, which we > now know was viral, though associated with acarine. Most of the south > coast of Britain had crossed (and cross) bees, which was where most of > the losses were. In more northern and western parts, especially higher > up, along with inland Ireland, native bees survived. The racial purity > is sufficient for a number of groups to breed successfully. The Irish > group is particularly respected for its conservation work. Bewulf > founded the Village Bee Breeders Association, now renamed Bee > Improvement and Bee Breeders Association of which I am a recent member. > > Interestingly, the native bee was brought to the US of A. There must be > pockets of it well established where the climate is not too dissimilar > from Northern Europe. Actually, quite a lot of North America must be > climatically similar enough for it to do well. Remember that Sweden has > a hardy strain of A.m.m so even northern parts, with hard winters and > warm summers might have remnants there. Are there any studies of this? > > For interest in the work of BIBBA go to http://www.bibba.com or > http://www.kentbee.com. > -- > James Kilty Article 23698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:04:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8b3tf1$c2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 20 01:04:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23698 In article <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net>, > dkb@netins.net wrote: > > I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can use > for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know > > where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find > anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do > > any of the bee supply companies carry it? > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > D. Bainbridge > > David, this morning you had a response from GRichtmeye that said > he got it at Ace Hardware for 99 cents a foot in Oklahoma. I couldn't > post then and now can't find his post. > > Anyway it looks like I got ripped off!! I got some at Ace Hardware > (only place I could find it) here in NW Florida and paid $2.79 a foot > for a 3 ft. wide roll. Brushy Mountain sells the wood frame with 1/8 > mesh wire attached, but I've forgotten how much that cost. Catalog number 277 $13.95 > Herb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Wooten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Small radial extractors -- effective? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.132.36 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953514831 208.137.132.36 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:13:51 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:13:51 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:13:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23699 I've got to ask if the extractor was built well enough to be worth buying and would it be useable for up to 10 hives. Have been looking at it in Dadant cat Were the gears metal or what? "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.133ea937ff9e131989ab4@news.pe.net... > I had a plastic, hand cranked extractor. It was made in China, > ordered through Dadant. It cost about $100. It would spin two > frames at a time. The frames were set up facing the walls of the > extractor, not diagonal to the walls (radial?), so just with a > hand crank it was possible to put a lot of centrifugal force on > the frames and empty the cells and sometimes some of the comb > itself would be spun off the frame. My boys and I almost had to > go into business those years when I started out with Langstroth > frames, but now I am more of a leisure time beekeeper with my top > bar hive, so I sold my two-frame hand-cranked-extractor. > > > > In article <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com>, jwgbee@hotmail.com > says... > > Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small > > radials effective? > > Article 23700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:15:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8b3u2q$cgl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 20 01:15:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23700 In article <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > Hi > A short question or two. Last fall during the hurricane that grazed us > here in eastern Va., I lost a nice honey locust tree that was shading my > shop. Now I need a fast growing shade tree so that my ac does not have > to work over time. Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > Thanks in advance for your help > L.E.G. > > The two problems I am familiar with regarding Bradford Pears are that they don't live very long and they are extremely prone to ice damage. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.randori.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small radial extractors -- effective? Message-ID: References: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953518770 216.100.16.37 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:19:30 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:19:30 MST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:19:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23701 It was pretty durable and sturdy. I had 2 colonies with 4 full sized hive bodies in each colony. In article , wooten@netdoor.com says... > I've got to ask if the extractor was built well enough to be worth buying > and would it be useable for up to 10 hives. Have been looking at it in > Dadant cat Were the gears metal or what? > "Peter Amschel" wrote in message > news:MPG.133ea937ff9e131989ab4@news.pe.net... > > I had a plastic, hand cranked extractor. It was made in China, > > ordered through Dadant. It cost about $100. It would spin two > > frames at a time. The frames were set up facing the walls of the > > extractor, not diagonal to the walls (radial?), so just with a > > hand crank it was possible to put a lot of centrifugal force on > > the frames and empty the cells and sometimes some of the comb > > itself would be spun off the frame. My boys and I almost had to > > go into business those years when I started out with Langstroth > > frames, but now I am more of a leisure time beekeeper with my top > > bar hive, so I sold my two-frame hand-cranked-extractor. > > > > > > > > In article <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com>, jwgbee@hotmail.com > > says... > > > Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small > > > radials effective? > > > > > > Article 23702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D58D22.F22E75FD@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeping Supply Store! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:29:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.197 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 953519353 206.172.183.197 (Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:29:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:29:13 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23702 Attention Beekeepers, Honey Road Apiaries is now you Authorised Mann Lake Ltd Dealer, offering great prices on such things as extractors, assembled frames, Rite-Cell Foundation and Solar Fencers. Check it our at http://www.honeyroad.com All prices are in Canadian Dollars. What for upcomming grand oppening specials. Credit Card Processing comming soon! Article 23703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.via.net!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen trap plans Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:38:31 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38D58F26.7C5E7A89@azstarnet.com> References: <38CDBE97.6918@YAHOO.COM> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23703 Sure, several - call Diana Ward-Medley at 1-520-670-6380, or write her at the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center USDA-ARS 2000 East Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 MERDOC_US@YAHOO.COM wrote: > DOES ANYONE HAVE PLANS TO BUILD A POLLEN TRAP? Article 23704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Wallace Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small radial extractors -- effective? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:38:06 -0600 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 114 Message-ID: <38D5B93E.7796E700@winco.net> References: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 953530573 30049 207.144.202.171 (20 Mar 2000 05:36:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:36:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23704 I have a Dadant 6-12 extractor and there stand And I wouldn't change for anything I love it. It is fast easy to load ,drains well, well built looks dam good to sitting there in the basement with all my other bee stuff people see that stainless steel and feel a little better about the honey is a food item clean thing JGinNY wrote: > There have been more and more small-sized radial extractors coming on > the hobbiest market in recent years. (Several are offered by Eurpoean > manufacturers, also Kelley's 12 frame model, Dadant's "Ranger," "6/12" > etc.) Having used one myself (Maxant, 6 frame hand-cranker), I wonder > what others' experiences with such machines have been. I am interested > to know, as my own have not been particularly good. > > Main thing is, I never was successful in emptying combs with the radial > configuration. Not once. Even with a small motor rigged up, extraction > was incomplete, and still took a very long time. It was faster to just > spin 3 combs at a time, tangentially, than to run a motor for an > extended period, and the combs were left with far less residual honey in > the tangential arrangement. This was quite disappointing, as my intent > was to be able to empty 6 combs at a time, _without_ any need to stop, > take out each comb, turn it around, and replace it mid-cycle. Thus the > advantages of radial extraction were not realized. I should add that > the motor I tried was quite small, and started heating up too much, so I > only ran it for like 5 minutes at a time. A more substantial motor and > a running time of 10-15 minutes might have yielded much better results. > > Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small > radials effective? Under what operating conditions? At all, with hand > power? Upon the advice of the folks at Maxant, I even tried warming the > supers for a few days prior to extracting, and there was still FAR too > much honey left in the combs with the radial configuration. (..and as > far as I know, the honey in this region is not particularly thick or > dense.) > > Not sure, but I suspect that a small extractor diameter does not lend > itself to developing the force required to adequately empty a small > number of combs, radially. That, or the rpm's must be much higher (say, > 300 rpm) in a small machine than a large one, for even moderately > acceptable results. In any case, radial extracting takes _much_ longer, > per load, and far longer than the average person would be willing to > spend cranking the thing around! Certainly more than 10 or 12 minutes, > and even then, there is apt to be substantial honey left in the combs. > It would seem that a motor would be absolutely essential for effective > operation of even a small radial machine, considering the long spinning > time and rpm's required. > > Interested in any comments. Following, I include some discussion on the > subject from an older edition of the Roots' bee culture encyclopedia, in > case anyone might wish to check it out. > > thanks & regards, > Joel Govostes > nr. Ithaca, NY > jwg6@cornell.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Referencing ABC & XYZ of BEE CULTURE, by Root (c. 1974), on the subject > of radial extractors: > > "The Radial Principle is Not Practicable for Hand Extractors > > The radial 45 and 50 comb extractors owe their great efficiency and > capacity to their size. An extractor on the radial principle holding > eight or ten combs would be much slower per comb than a two or four > frame extractor of the old type where the combs are reversed. Under > conditions requiring 15 minutes to extract 45 combs in the radial, five > minutes would be needed to extract four combs in the reversible type > machine. > > To avoid excessive air pressure on the combs in a radial extractor the > combs must be close together. This is not possible in a hand extractor. > > Moreover, to extract honey thoroughly from combs in a radial position a > speed of at least 250 revolutions per minute is necessary, and the > relatively long time required makes the radial principle impractical for > a small machine." > > Now, the Roots experimented with different extractors, back in 1921, to > compare the amount of honey remaining in/on the combs after spinning. > The power extractor under test was an 8-frame reversible, operated at a > max. speed of 350 rpm. After 2.5 minutes, the amount of honey left in > the cells averaged 3 to 3.5 %. The residues left in combs spun in a 4 > frame hand-powered extractor were much higher "The reason for this is > plain enough -- the hand power is not sufficient to maintain a high > speed. One's hand or arm gets tired except in the case of the two- or > three-frame extractor." (p.278) > > Obviously, then, motor-power is much more effective, allowing much > higher rpm's, and to boot, it frees you up to un-cap the next load of > frames. The whole process goes much faster -- especially if one is > working alone. > > According to ABC&XYZ, Root first tried the radial principle in 1888, > with a small 6-frame extractor. "He demonstrated then that it was > perfectly possible to extract honey from both sides of the comb at the > same time without reversing, but it took from three to four times as > long to get the honey out as when an equal number of combs were placed > in a machine like those already described {i.e., reversible tangential > types}.(p.274) > (...and in my experience, "three to four times as long" is a > majorunderstatement.) > > "On the basis that the 8-frame extractor of the reversible type takes > three minutes to extract a load and that the big [radial] machine takes > 12 minutes to extract 45 or 50 combs, it is seen that the latter does > its work in a little over half the time..." (p.277) > > So the efficiency goes way up when you start talking about the big > radials, and of course, the diameters, given their capacity, are huge, > creating much more outward force to empty the combs. OR so it would > appear... > thanks, > j. Article 23705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "No Bees, No Peace" Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:28:39 GMT References: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000320042839.22435.00001935@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23705 Take that allah ! Being a bible reading man. I simply enjoy cheering for the isrielites. Article 23706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: "Bill & Cherry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advise Needed Date: 20 Mar 2000 07:37:36 EST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d37.phx-az1.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23706 Hello, We've had a swarm/hive/herd/pack/bunch (?) of bees move in under our storage shed and want to encourage them to move somewhere else. Are there any non-toxic methods that will work? We don't want to and can't use pesticides because tortoises also live under the shed. The bees don't appear to be aggressive but one of the dogs is allergic to bee stings and I'm afraid of them. My fear, irrational or not, has made it impossible for me to enjoy the backyard. If anyone has any suggestions or advise it would be appreciated. We are located in Central Arizona. Thanks for your assistance. Cherry Article 23707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "No Bees, No Peace" Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:48:46 GMT References: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000320044846.22435.00001936@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23707 Thirty stolen beehives recovered (IsraelWire-2/29) Israel Radio reported on Sunday that thirty stolen beehives were recovered from an area under PLO Authority (PA) autonomous control near the Southern Hebron Hills community of Bet Haggai. Various security agencies participated in the raid and recovery mission. Although beekeepers were pleased with the news, they explained it was a small dent in the trend in which PA residents have already made off with over 1,000 hives. Article 23708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!blackbush.xlink.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!news.bel.alcatel.be!not-for-mail From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:53:31 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D6578B.A6AA4765@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <38CE9A16.6DE54045@kingston.net> <38D19877.4632CD7D@kingston.net> <3Y$YeAACFt04EwOe@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8b310s$l00$1@trex.antw.online.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bt02e2.god.bel.alcatel.be 953571180 26498 138.203.32.35 (20 Mar 2000 16:53:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Mar 2000 16:53:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23708 Erwin, In Holland zitten er ook goede Buckfast telers. Stuur je vraag eens naar de zoemlijst. mvg, Hugo -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 23709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:13:39 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38D67863.BD1BF4B7@netins.net> References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8b3tf1$c2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-19-132.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23709 Thanks for the info. I requested a copy of the Brushy Mountain catalog to see what their screened bottom board looks like (they don't have it on their web page yet). They told me they used to sell the 1/8" screen but no longer do. David Glenn West wrote: > > In article <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net>, > > dkb@netins.net wrote: > > > I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can > use > > for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know > > > where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find > > anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do > > > any of the bee supply companies carry it? > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > D. Bainbridge > > > David, this morning you had a response from GRichtmeye that said > > he got it at Ace Hardware for 99 cents a foot in Oklahoma. I couldn't > > post then and now can't find his post. > > > > Anyway it looks like I got ripped off!! I got some at Ace Hardware > > (only place I could find it) here in NW Florida and paid $2.79 a foot > > for a 3 ft. wide roll. Brushy Mountain sells the wood frame with 1/8 > > mesh wire attached, but I've forgotten how much that cost. > > Catalog number 277 $13.95 > > > Herb > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hk1beeman...here i is !!! Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Mar 2000 21:09:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000320160946.03231.00002557@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23710 It's so nice to hear that people care the wife had hernia surgery ,out of work 6+ weeks, and my big ol disabled ass had to keep things going @ here.. then came the flu.. some damn yankee musta released it uponst us, so the i -net kinda took a back seat to the toilet seat for a while !! Ya'll buy those bee vac's ... they'll pay for theyselves the first time ya do an extraction job. An lord knows we need the money. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:51:47 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRDF13u+Qoykqy9727wCbrOPIgsCwIUb2zUwly4bYt0dcMKh/x64+Ipfi4= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23711 Call your local extension service, bee supplies company, exterminator, or vector control to see if any beekeepers will come get newly established hives. Usually there are several that will get swarms for free or charge a small fee. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 23712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D6AD19.2842ED82@usit.net> From: "Harry J. Bowie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:58:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.147.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 953593080 216.80.147.10 (Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:58:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:58:00 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23712 David Betterbee carries #8 mesh (also #5 and #7) in their catalog, 36" wide at $1.20 a foot. Catalog # GHC8 Phone (800) 632-3379 Harry David wrote: > I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can use for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know > where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do > any of the bee supply companies carry it? > > Thanks for any info. > > D. Bainbridge Article 23713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hk1beeman...here i is !!! Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:04:49 GMT References: <20000320160946.03231.00002557@ng-fu1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000320190449.06288.00000810@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23713 >then came the flu.. some damn yankee musta >released it uponst us, so the i -net kinda took a back seat to the toilet >seat >for a while !! Wait a minute now - They call this swine flu and last I remember NC had an awful lot of swine. Even if you can't smell them over NJ You probably got dandylions allready. In full sun I have a bee in every crocus. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!easynet-melon!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Bees Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:15:31 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8b6fhg$9f6$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com> <8aold5$50u$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 953598320 9702 62.136.78.12 (21 Mar 2000 00:25:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:25:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23714 I live in the UK, Shropshire. It is worth bearing in mind that Brother Adam and his Buckfast team were, for a good many years, the dominant beekeepers in the Dartmoor area of Devon. Certainly it would be true to say that in the last twenty years of his time there the density and distribution of his colonies relative to any other beekeeping activities and probably feral colonies too was considerable. The consequences being that, even though he relied upon artificial insemination for superseding queens, any 'feral mating would probably have resulted in a very 'close to type' hybrid. For those of you interested in bee breeding I would recommend Beowulf Cooper 'The Honey Bees of the British Isles' published by BIBBA. It is unlikely that you will be able to successfully introduce a new strain into your environs without employing artificial insemination or persuading all the beekeepers within a fifty mile radius to join you. I might add that the current proliferation of different species of honey bee through commercial means rather than natural migration may well prove to be the ultimate disaster waiting to happen. Best wishes to all , Freddie Cooke. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8aold5$50u$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Gregory wrote in message > news:38CE4081.B5CB00B1@mich.com... > From what I've read and the people I've talked to, Buckfast > > bees have a nice balance between honey production, tracheal mite > > resistance, and a gentler disposition > ---------------------------------------------- > > OK if you do not mind buying new queens regularly as they will not stay > true. 1st crosses are often very bad tempered. You might do better to find > a local beekeeper with a good local strain. > > Article 23715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D6D512.440C0426@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad Spam sandwiches are great"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What I have been Thinking about lately References: <8b6gqm$n1t$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 64 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:49:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp39.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:49:43 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23715 I have been thinking up the same way. I have a palm pilot and use it constantly. I have been trying to figure out how to use it to work with database input. I have been thinking more of Access DB because it's what I have programmed with but haven't had time to work on it. I guess I'll have to revisit your product and look into tie-ins. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Jorn Johanesson wrote: > > Dear friends > > Since I started the programming of my software back in 1972, I have been > thinking of a way to collect data in the beeyard, and then in an easy way > getting those data into the computer for futher processing. > What have kept me away from this aproach have been the cost. But now the > littel handheld computer has got a reasonabel price and the little PALM V, I > am writing on now cost here in Denmark around $300. > > So now back to write on the computer :-) > > I have investigated in software to create a handheld software for > beekeeping, and I came to, that what was convenient was Satellite forms, > because it is using a Dbase V database, and the forms can be designed to > match my bidata software.It also shows that this hanheld can be used by Mac > Users and that the handheld software therefore can be used by those people > owing this kind of PC. The only drawback is, that it cost Money, A lot of > Money, so I will not investigate further unless there is an interest in this > approach: Using a handheld computer to make notes and judgments in the bee > yard and then transferring the data to the PC, for further processing. So > Your comments Please. > > About taking notes I still have the feeling that you are doing much to much > Paperwork, and I still feel that the Bidata and its data file is doing what > is needed for processing relevant data of both queen breeder and normal > beekeeper interest. If that is not the fact then please tell me what you > need. I am programming for the beekeepers, not for me myself, and I want to > have my software doing what is needed. > > EDbi now has a new CD,Including the litle writing offered shown and given > out on Apimondia 99, about Nordic Beekeeping, Why not get this CD that > contains a lot of beekeeping stuff. > > best regards > > Jorn Johanesson > > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://apimo.dk (USA) > http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) > apimo@post4.tele.dk > Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > Multilingual Beekeeping software since 1972 Article 23716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!news.netscum.dk!netscum.int!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What I have been Thinking about lately Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:47:54 +0100 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8b6gqm$n1t$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip59.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 953599638 23613 195.249.242.59 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23716 Dear friends Since I started the programming of my software back in 1972, I have been thinking of a way to collect data in the beeyard, and then in an easy way getting those data into the computer for futher processing. What have kept me away from this aproach have been the cost. But now the littel handheld computer has got a reasonabel price and the little PALM V, I am writing on now cost here in Denmark around $300. So now back to write on the computer :-) I have investigated in software to create a handheld software for beekeeping, and I came to, that what was convenient was Satellite forms, because it is using a Dbase V database, and the forms can be designed to match my bidata software.It also shows that this hanheld can be used by Mac Users and that the handheld software therefore can be used by those people owing this kind of PC. The only drawback is, that it cost Money, A lot of Money, so I will not investigate further unless there is an interest in this approach: Using a handheld computer to make notes and judgments in the bee yard and then transferring the data to the PC, for further processing. So Your comments Please. About taking notes I still have the feeling that you are doing much to much Paperwork, and I still feel that the Bidata and its data file is doing what is needed for processing relevant data of both queen breeder and normal beekeeper interest. If that is not the fact then please tell me what you need. I am programming for the beekeepers, not for me myself, and I want to have my software doing what is needed. EDbi now has a new CD,Including the litle writing offered shown and given out on Apimondia 99, about Nordic Beekeeping, Why not get this CD that contains a lot of beekeeping stuff. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Multilingual Beekeeping software since 1972 Article 23717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "No Bees, No Peace" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:59:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> <20000320042839.22435.00001935@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.89 X-Server-Date: 21 Mar 2000 02:59:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23717 In article <20000320042839.22435.00001935@ng-cn1.aol.com>, ijimbo2@aol.com (IJimbo2) wrote: > Take that allah ! > Being a bible reading man. > I simply enjoy cheering for the isrielites. I'm curious as to what the HELL this drivel has to do with beekeeping... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hk1beeman...here i is !!! Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:01:17 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <20000320160946.03231.00002557@ng-fu1.aol.com> <20000320190449.06288.00000810@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.89 X-Server-Date: 21 Mar 2000 03:01:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23718 In article <20000320190449.06288.00000810@ng-cq1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > >then came the flu.. some damn yankee musta > >released it uponst us, so the i -net kinda took a back seat to the toilet > >seat > >for a while !! > > Wait a minute now - They call this swine flu and last I remember NC had an > awful lot of swine. > Even if you can't smell them over NJ > > You probably got dandylions allready. > In full sun I have a bee in every crocus. > I was outta town, but me wife reported a bee working a crocus in our yard here in COSprings a couple of weeks ago... :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:48:00 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8b6v1u$b5o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8arpt3$c5r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000316202924.01808.00000369@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.db.16 X-Server-Date: 21 Mar 2000 04:50:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23719 As a meteorologist & beekeeper, I have to tell you it's very tough to avoid mold in the Pacific Northwest--it rains about 70% of the days from November-March! My hive is almost always soaked outside and on the bottom board during that time. Mark N. Dave Green wrote in message news:20000316202924.01808.00000369@ng-cr1.aol.com... > From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com > > >The hive was > >clustered in the upper hive body. The middle frames of the lower hive > >body are empty & pretty moldy. Do I have to burn out the foundation or > >is it safe to add? Is this a stupid question? > > The only stupid question, Kenny, is the one that isn't asked. I would not > destroy the comb; bees can clean up mold, as soon as they get a decent flow; > you'll be surprised how fast they will clean it up. > > However, the mold does indicate a damp, unhealthy environment. Maybe it's > an impossibility, given your location, but you might work on better ventilation > next fall, for wintering. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!triton.skycache.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "No Bees, No Peace" Message-ID: References: <20000302174900.01269.00002129@ng-fn1.aol.com> <20000320042839.22435.00001935@ng-cn1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953617703 216.100.16.37 (Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:48:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:48:23 MST Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:48:23 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23720 HELL? Did someone say HELL? In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) says... > In article <20000320042839.22435.00001935@ng-cn1.aol.com>, ijimbo2@aol.com > (IJimbo2) wrote: > > > Take that allah ! > > Being a bible reading man. > > I simply enjoy cheering for the isrielites. > > I'm curious as to what the HELL this drivel has to do with beekeeping... > > Article 23721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: are bees cannibals? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Mar 2000 07:16:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000321021601.02577.00003491@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23721 I have an observation hive. More than the "usual" amount of bees died off (??) and were deposited in the tube--a day later, they were all gone. I looked down below which is flat and catches any carcasses of bees and there were none there, and it hasn't been windy. Where did the bees go? Article 23722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Extractor? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:36:33 -0600 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <38D7D7E1.4E98E232@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-172-69.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 953685393 37539 207.229.172.69 (22 Mar 2000 00:36:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:36:33 GMT Cc: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) In-Reply-To: <38D7D7E1.4E98E232@uidaho.edu> Posted-And-Mailed: yes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23722 Matthew - There are two here: http://www.beesource.com/plans/ -Barry > Has anybody made an extractor? Can anybody point me in the direction for > parts or ideas? > Thanks > M > Article 23723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: are bees cannibals? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:38:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8b81h4$am2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000321021601.02577.00003491@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 21 14:38:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.29 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23723 In article <20000321021601.02577.00003491@ng-fq1.aol.com>, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: > I have an observation hive. More than the "usual" amount of bees died off (??) > and were deposited in the tube--a day later, they were all gone. I looked down > below which is flat and catches any carcasses of bees and there were none > there, and it hasn't been windy. Where did the bees go? > > Not cannibals. If you watch carefully you should see bees flying away with the carcasses. They usually like to get them as far away from the hive as they can for health reasons. Crawling bees that are near the end of their life also crawl as far away as they can for the good of the hive. It's an awesome sight seeing a bee trying (and sort of succeeding) in its attempt to fly while carrying a dead bee. If the load is too heavy and both fall to the ground it will keep tugging and struggling until it gets the carcass far enough away. On the other hand I've seen some bees just shove the carcasses over the edge of their little porch and let them drop to the ground. The difference may be related to primary job in the hive. Any bee is willing to help with any job, but the one whose primary task it is probably does the best job. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for 1/8" hardware cloth? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:23:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8b87kh$fhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net> <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8b3tf1$c2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38D67863.BD1BF4B7@netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 21 16:23:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23724 In article <38D67863.BD1BF4B7@netins.net>, dkb@netins.net wrote: > Thanks for the info. I requested a copy of the Brushy Mountain catalog to see what their screened bottom board looks > like (they don't have it on their web page yet). They told me they used to sell the 1/8" screen but no longer do. That's interesting because they list 1/8" hardware cloth on the same page as the screened bottom board at $2.60 per foot. > David > > Glenn West wrote: > > > > In article <8b142m$hgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > > In article <38D2F80F.909D4606@netins.net>, > > > dkb@netins.net wrote: > > > > I am trying to locate a source for 1/8" hardware cloth that I can > > use > > > for a screened bottom board. Does anyone know > > > > where I can mail order this stuff? I have not been able to find > > > anyone locally who carries it. They all have 1/4". Do > > > > any of the bee supply companies carry it? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > > > > > D. Bainbridge > > > > David, this morning you had a response from GRichtmeye that said > > > he got it at Ace Hardware for 99 cents a foot in Oklahoma. I couldn't > > > post then and now can't find his post. > > > > > > Anyway it looks like I got ripped off!! I got some at Ace Hardware > > > (only place I could find it) here in NW Florida and paid $2.79 a foot > > > for a 3 ft. wide roll. Brushy Mountain sells the wood frame with 1/8 > > > mesh wire attached, but I've forgotten how much that cost. > > > > Catalog number 277 $13.95 > > > > > Herb > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Blackmore" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Feeding Honey Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:52:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.227.238 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 953704353 142.165.227.238 (Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:52:33 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:52:33 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23725 Would there be any reason why I would not feed some split (what a mess it was) honey from last season. Gord http://come.to/3bees Article 23726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: are bees cannibals? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:51:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20000321021601.02577.00003491@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953657488 nnrp-08:28134 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23726 In article <20000321021601.02577.00003491@ng-fq1.aol.com>, LKLarson1 writes >I have an observation hive. More than the "usual" amount of bees died off (??) >and were deposited in the tube--a day later, they were all gone. I looked down >below which is flat and catches any carcasses of bees and there were none >there, and it hasn't been windy. Where did the bees go? I am told mice clean up bees. -- James Kilty Article 23727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:23:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> <9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23727 Are they honey bees or wasp/hornets?? A local beekeeper might be able to help with honey bees but would want no part of hornets!! Ide burn them if there hornets but then again arizona in the spring might nit be the place for burning :( call the exterminator good luck Dave Hank Mishima wrote in message <9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net>... >Call your local extension service, bee supplies company, exterminator, >or vector control to see if any beekeepers will come get newly >established hives. Usually there are several that will get swarms for >free or charge a small fee. > >To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org > Article 23728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000321021601.02577.00003491@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: are bees cannibals? Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:58:01 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 953650420 204.244.87.78 (Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:53:40 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:53:40 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23728 You might have a little mouse making it's way in to take those dead bees away. Article 23729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:14:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8bakf4$sfm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 22 14:14:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23729 In article <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net>, "Bill & Cherry" wrote: > Hello, > > We've had a swarm/hive/herd/pack/bunch (?) of bees move in under our storage > shed and want to encourage them to move somewhere else. Are there any > non-toxic methods that will work? We don't want to and can't use pesticides > because tortoises also live under the shed. The bees don't appear to be > aggressive but one of the dogs is allergic to bee stings and I'm afraid of > them. My fear, irrational or not, has made it impossible for me to enjoy > the backyard. If anyone has any suggestions or advise it would be > appreciated. We are located in Central Arizona. > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Cherry > > Too bad I live in Florida. I'd like to get them. My daughter and I got a swarm out from under a minivan in the Walmart parking lot last week. They are not likely to move on their own, and the longer you wait the more "at home" they will become. Your idea of making things uncomfortable for them is what I would try. Spray them with plain water several times a day until they realize they've picked a bad place and move on. The water won't kill them (although there will be some casualties) but it will make them unable to fly for awhile. Meanwhile keep looking for more cooperative beekeepers who would welcome the challenge. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!not-for-mail From: Craig Adam Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:20:46 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.host.sfu.ca X-Trace: morgoth.sfu.ca 953745646 10034 192.168.100.25 (22 Mar 2000 17:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.sfu.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:20:46 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23730 Hi there, I've had a hive for the past few years now. The first year I had purchased bees. They died out mysteriously after their first winter, they seemed to have food and wings. But I did notice a large amount of mold growing in the hive. I had also treated with apistan and some other medicine. Last year I just let some wild bees move in, take over, clean things up, in return they got the left over honey, plus any suger water I gave them. I did not treat them for anything, and they made it through the winter just great, in fact the hive is bursting with bees, even after the winter. I'm hoping they'll swarm numerous times and re-populate the neighbor hood with bees. Moral of the story? Got me, just relating my experiance, I do like wild bees though (free!) and I figure more resistant to the natural bee predators around here. (granted they could have come from someone elses imported bee hive). Anyways, as a hobbiest I will not medicine my bees anymore, if they die I'll just let some new wild ones move in, until the wild ones build up a resistance to whatever kills them.. That's evolution for you. Craig. (Surrey, B.C - near Vancouver) Gregory wrote: : I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water : in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor : of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. : Gregory : nwolfe wrote: :> My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had :> going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on :> a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly :> starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 :> at this location survived :> :> The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when :> I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were :> inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one :> and the workers threw them out. :> :> What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. :> :> Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a :> fair price, before the worms set in? :> :> What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? Article 23731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: moonlips@netmcr.com (mark) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rotten wood and broken comb Message-ID: <38d91290.112194967@news.netmcr.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:36:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.150.14.130 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 953749833 208.150.14.130 (Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:30:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:30:33 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23731 i'm a newbie to the bees so any thoughts would be helpful. as i was cleaning the supers for the spring i noticed that some of the frames were set-up with 'duragilt' i think its called and some had just plain foundation (cut comb type). i plan to have the honey extracted (if they do well), so do i need to put the reinforced foundation in all of them? some of the comb was not filled out the the full size of the frame and others were broken. give me an idea as to where to remove the old and install with new. in other words i want to help the bees, so if i need to replace the old and broken ones i will. also some of the supers have some rotten corners. some worse than others. i can make a wooden replacement patch for the ones that are bad and put it in, but the ones that are not so bad....can i use a wood filler and then paint over it without hurting the bees. i just found this group the other day and am enjoying it very much. thanks, mark Article 23732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Lines: 79 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:56:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 953751403 12.72.40.109 (Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:56:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:56:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23732 Jeez, glad my hives are nowhere near Vancouver. Thinking you are contributing to building resistance is folly and all you are doing is providing safe harbor for mites. I'm sure your beekeeping neighbors appreciate all you are doing to contribute to the demise of their colonies. Evolution is a slow process. Read a book. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Craig Adam Hennessey" wrote in message news:8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca... > Hi there, I've had a hive for the past few years now. The first year I had > purchased bees. They died out mysteriously after their first winter, they > seemed to have food and wings. But I did notice a large amount of mold > growing in the hive. I had also treated with apistan and some other > medicine. > > Last year I just let some wild bees move in, take over, clean things up, > in return they got the left over honey, plus any suger water I gave them. > I did not treat them for anything, and they made it through the winter > just great, in fact the hive is bursting with bees, even after the > winter. I'm hoping they'll swarm numerous times and re-populate the > neighbor hood with bees. > > Moral of the story? Got me, just relating my experiance, I do like wild > bees though (free!) and I figure more resistant to the natural bee > predators around here. (granted they could have come from someone elses > imported bee hive). Anyways, as a hobbiest I will not medicine my bees > anymore, if they die I'll just let some new wild ones move in, until the > wild ones build up a resistance to whatever kills them.. That's evolution > for you. > > Craig. > > (Surrey, B.C - near Vancouver) > > > Gregory wrote: > : I have a hive that is almost dead and after investigating found a lot of water > : in it, I believe due to poor ventilation. Apparently water acts as a conductor > : of heat making it much harder for the cluster to stay warm in the winter. > : Gregory > > : nwolfe wrote: > > :> My first year as a beekeeper was rough. Only 2 of the seven hives I had > :> going into the winter (NE, Ohio) survived. I put Apistan on all my hives on > :> a warm day in the late fall (Nov 1). The one at a second apiary clearly > :> starved, as I found no honey and lots of dead bees in the cells. the other 2 > :> at this location survived > :> > :> The other 4 dead hives, at my home apiary, had plenty of honey in them when > :> I checked them this past weekend. There were only a few dead bees were > :> inside and plenty dead ones on the ground. It was as if they died one by one > :> and the workers threw them out. > :> > :> What happened. Did the queens die? Pesticides? Disease? Any Ideas. > :> > :> Would somebody tell me where I can get a half dozen packages of bees at a > :> fair price, before the worms set in? > :> > :> What is the best way to split out the 2 hives I have remaining? > Article 23733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a cyber store for beekeepers Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:20:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000322162017.13643.00001300@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23733 I'm surprised some enterprising bee entrepeneur hasn't already developed a site which would feature (one or two "click") shopping for most bee supplies you use, including possibly having a "reverse auction" feature, so that if enough of us want a given item, we could be "combined" together to see if a given supplier would give us a better price on that given item. Right now, it seems that we have lots of minature "fort knoxes" all over the country as storehouses for supplies, which isn't all bad, given the diversity, but the time seems right for a cyber store. You'd end up with the various bee suppliers, of course, supplying that store, but at the best possible prices and delivery, similar to Amzn or some of the B2B sites. Article 23734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: "Bill & Cherry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Date: 22 Mar 2000 07:08:45 EST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8bad4d$o7p@chronicle.concentric.net> References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> <9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts013d33.phx-az1.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23734 Thanks for the advise but I think I'll just have to learn to live with them and keep stuff on hand for the dogs' reaction to stings. The exterminators all want to use poison and that won't work. It will kill our tortoises. So far I've been unable to find any beekeepers willing to come and get them. I was hoping there was a way to make the bees want to move by making their present home uncomfortable. What are the chances of a spontaneous move on their part? Cherry Jenn C wrote in message ... >Are they honey bees or wasp/hornets?? >A local beekeeper might be able to help with honey bees but would want no >part of hornets!! >Ide burn them if there hornets but then again arizona in the spring might >nit be the place for burning :( >call the exterminator >good luck >Dave > > >Hank Mishima wrote in message ><9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net>... >>Call your local extension service, bee supplies company, exterminator, >>or vector control to see if any beekeepers will come get newly >>established hives. Usually there are several that will get swarms for >>free or charge a small fee. >> >>To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org >> > > Article 23735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:13:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8bagtf$oj8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> <9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> <8bad4d$o7p@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 22 13:13:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23735 In article <8bad4d$o7p@chronicle.concentric.net>, "Bill & Cherry" wrote: > Thanks for the advise but I think I'll just have to learn to live with them > and keep stuff on hand for the dogs' reaction to stings. The exterminators > all want to use poison and that won't work. It will kill our tortoises. So > far I've been unable to find any beekeepers willing to come and get them. I > was hoping there was a way to make the bees want to move by making their > present home uncomfortable. What are the chances of a spontaneous move on > their part? > > Cherry > One thing that I have been taught is that a very simple solution of water and dishwashing soap (whatever you have on the sink) is poisonous to bees. I don't know if this is also poisonous to the tortoises. You could check with your local exterminator or veterinarian. If the tortoises will not be affected, simply mix water with a good squirt of dishwashing soap and use a pump-up tree sprayer to deliver it to the bees. Another good feature of this mix is that it tends to make the bees cluster together instead of dispersing like commercial bee sprays do. It's a shame that noone will take them out of your way without killing them. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.alt.net!serv.net!usenet From: Teri Rhan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Used Beekeeping Equipment N. of Seattle Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:32:52 GMT Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8bbe64$bvv$0@199.201.191.2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.201.191.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cache-Post-Path: dns2.serv.net!unknown@itchy.serv.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23736 I am sorry to say that due to medical reasons, I can no longer keep bees so I'm selling my bee equipment. I haven't had bees in them for about 2 years. I believe they died from lack of management while I was convalesing from a number of surgeries as they went unattended for a full season in Duvall Washington where I had them set up. The neighbors hives seem to have done just fine (managed) without evidence of any other problems other than varroa & tracheal mites. This is the full compliment of equipment for a home setup. Some of the hive bodies are older but still usable, some are new but need a paint job. Some of them have the brackets for holding 9 frames. 8 deeps with frames, most with foundation, some with drawnout comb 9 westerns with frames, most with foundation, some with drawnout comb 5 sets top and bottoms 2 sets hive tools 2 smokers frame grip filter/sieve bought from Dadant $45 2+ years ago. 4 set 9 frame brackets 4 sugar water feeders misc frame repair items Hive and the Honeybee book 1 large Dadant suit (36-38) w/elastic in cuffs & around ankles w/zippered veil w/hat 1 pair large ventilated leather gloves with elastic at forearm 1 small Dadant suit (44.46) w/elastic in cuffs & around ankles w/zippered veil w/hat 1 pair small ventilated leather gloves with elastic at forearm 1 ex-large suit w/ elastic band accessories, 4-2 wrists, 2 ankles 1 hat with drawstring veil. These suits were used by my step mother who is a generously built woman, myself who is also generously built and my son. His "small" suit was way too big as he was 8 at the time. Could fit a teenager or woman. I did a quick estimate off of the Dadant website and estimated that all of this unassembled would run over $1,200. I live in Mountlake Terrace Washington and this equipment is monopolizing my garage. I would prefer to move it out at one transaction and not piece it out. Nor am I inclined to shipping it out due to my limited mobility. $500 takes it all. Teri trhan@serv.net Article 23737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:23:21 GMT References: <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000322202321.17241.00000856@ng-dh1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23737 >anyways, as a hobbiest I will not medicine my bees >anymore, if they die I'll just let some new wild ones move in, until the >wild ones build up a resistance to whatever kills them.. That's evolution >for you. Maybe you should just watch someone else's bees. What you plan to do will only encourage the spread of diseases and become a breeding nest for varroa. Just deal with the fact that evolution has decided to kill off the wild bees. Bees have to be taken care of now. Besides bees were not ever native to this country anyway . Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:37:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 23 01:37:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23738 , >Craig Adam Hennessey wrote: > Anyways, as a hobbiest I will not medicine my bees anymore, if they >die I'll just let some new wild ones move in, until the wild ones build >up a resistance to whatever kills them.. That's evolution. > Craig. ******************************************** Howdy, Craig -- I admire your concern for the "wild" bees, but realistically, bees are just livestock like cows, horses, and people. Evolution is too slow. I'm afraid your idea presented would be unfair to the very critters you are trying to befriend (to say nothing of the other beekeepers in your area). Livestock (including people) need help ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!pants.skycache.com!triton.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? (not medicating bees anymore) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:07:27 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38D98A6C.9B1BFA96@netins.net> References: <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <20000322202321.17241.00000856@ng-dh1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: dkb@netins.net NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-16-15.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23739 Unfortunately when many beekeepers start using the nerve gas that has been approved to kill off mites, you won't be helping anything. What are we going to start using when CheckMite becomes ineffective? It WILL happen. Evolution has already provided us with an answer but because so many people rely on chemicals in their hives they would never have an incentive to find it. Without the incentive it takes forward thinking individuals and groups who realize that using chemicals is only a short term solution to search out strains of bees who are naturally resistant, experimenting with new practices, and/or making small changes in the design of hives to combat these problems. The practice of simply not medicating and hoping that something happens is probably not the best way to go about it but I think more and more beekeepers will start to understand where this individual is coming from in the years to come. D. Bainbridge Robert Williamson wrote: > > >anyways, as a hobbiest I will not medicine my bees > >anymore, if they die I'll just let some new wild ones move in, until the > >wild ones build up a resistance to whatever kills them.. That's evolution > >for you. > > Maybe you should just watch someone else's bees. What you plan to do will only > encourage the spread of diseases and become a breeding nest for varroa. Just > deal with the fact that evolution has decided to kill off the wild bees. Bees > have to be taken care of now. Besides bees were not ever native to this country > anyway . > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 23740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Extractor? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:13:21 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38D7D7E1.4E98E232@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-07.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 953669601 13241 129.101.6.167 (21 Mar 2000 20:13:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2000 20:13:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23740 Has anybody made an extractor? Can anybody point me in the direction for parts or ideas? Thanks M Article 23741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DA0DDB.CE2174A@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention Ontario Beekeeper - Going to the Spring Meeting? 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For more information, email, or call (705)946-2037 --------------5A4EC57208DF6DD95801DE48-- Article 23742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? (not medicating bees anymore) Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:07:54 GMT References: <38D98A6C.9B1BFA96@netins.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000323060754.15513.00000500@nso-dh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23742 In article <38D98A6C.9B1BFA96@netins.net>, David writes: >Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? (not medicating bees anymore) >From: David >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:07:27 -0600 > >Unfortunately when many beekeepers start using the nerve gas that has been >approved to kill off mites, you won't be >helping anything. What are we going to start using when CheckMite becomes >ineffective? It WILL happen. Evolution has >already provided us with an answer but because so many people rely on >chemicals in their hives they would never have an >incentive to find it. Without the incentive it takes forward thinking >individuals and groups who realize that using >chemicals is only a short term solution to search out strains of bees who are >naturally resistant, experimenting with >new practices, and/or making small changes in the design of hives to combat >these problems. The practice of simply not >medicating and hoping that something happens is probably not the best way to >go about it but I think more and more >beekeepers will start to understand where this individual is coming from in >the years to come. > >D. Bainbridge > And what is your cure for cancer? Positive thinking? This new age stuff is too much for me. Maybe we just ought to not mediate any infants either, in the long run, "in the years to come", we will appreciate it. Goodness. Article 23743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: strmcrow@aol.comNOSPAM (Stormcrow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a cyber store for beekeepers Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:30:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000323063030.01753.00004087@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23743 Brushy Mountain Bee Farm seems to be a decent site. It's got a shopping cart function, plus their list seems pretty complete, from complete hives to bees. You might want to check them out. I've not bought anything from them, yet, but I plan to in the future. Beekeeping Supplies and Beekeeping Equipment fr… Crow Remove NOSPAM. Article 23744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Masha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need some advice Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:01:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8bdf5b$13o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.5.38.117 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 23 16:01:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.5.38.117 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmashenka1 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23744 I noticed that some honey bees seem to be setting up house in one of the oak trees on my property. My husband is allergic to bees. The county co-op gave me a phone number of someone who would remove the bees but he charges $50. Money is tight in my household. Is there a better option? I'd rather pay $50 than send my husband to the hospital. TIA, Masha Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Honey Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:19:19 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38DA4407.13729B28@mwci.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23745 No reason except that honey costs between 5 and 30 times more than corn syrup. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com Gordon Blackmore wrote: > Would there be any reason why I would not feed some split (what a mess it > was) honey from last season. > > Gord > http://come.to/3bees Article 23746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:59:29 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23746 >I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. What would >be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without harming the >properties of the honey. An alternative to the heat box (modified old refrig) is to place the container in a heated (not boiling water bath). A 5 gallon pail will fit in a 7 quart canner (with the lid off, obviously). Low heat should be used and it will take several hours. Stirring occassionally (once it softens) will also speed the process. A candy thermometer can be used to check the temp. The higher it's heated the more qualities will be lost. Usually 110-120 is adequate to dissolve all the crystals. If they are not all dissolved (honey will appear clear), they serve and seed stock for it to recrystallize in short order. Article 23747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie hive entrance question Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7PsC4.2408$_c3.14988@typhoon.columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:49:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 953833795 24.95.75.22 (Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:49:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:49:55 EST Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23747 I have Dadant brood boxes and bottom boards and with all that came a small rectangular piece of wood that I take to be entrance reducers. I have four questions I hope one of your experienced people will answer. Is the idea that one does not use this at all unless there is some specific reason to do so (e.g., cold) leaving an entrance that is the full width of the bottom board? When does one use the reducer in its two configurations? Do the holes face down or up? It appears one would need to nail it in place. Is that true? Thanks, Mike Geis Article 23748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:53:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8bdlm0$8pa$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bdf5b$13o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.219 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 23 17:53:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.219 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23748 > Perhaps you might consider calling your state government and asking them for the phone number of the State Bee Inspector. The inspector could either help you out themself, or they would be able to pass along any names of local beekeepers who would be willing to take your bees away for little or no cost to you. Another thought would be to visit local natural food stores or specialty shops that sell honey from local beekeepers. They may supply you with the names and phone numbers of beekeepers who could help. Good Luck, Paul B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DA6DBB.E7A14F43@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention Ontario Beekeeper - Going to the Spring Meeting? Extra Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:16:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.154 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 953838994 206.172.183.154 (Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:16:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:16:34 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23749 Attention Ontario Beekeeper - Going to the Spring Meeting? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:28:11 -0500 From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Are you going to the Spring Meetings in Guelph, April 3-4? Check out the great prices on Beekeeping Equipment @ www.honeyroad.com Order by Sunday, March 26, have it delivered to you at the meeting, and save on the shipping. Here are some highlights of what you will find. Rite-Cell Foundation & Assmbled, #1 frames with Rite-Cell foundation, Not available until futhur notice due to Production Problems at Mann Lake. Coregated Plastic Nuc Boxes, available in yellow, green & white, 30.49$ Unassembled 6 5/8" Supers, commercial Quality, 11.49$ Double Stainless Steel Seive, 56.95$ Plastic 5 gallon Pail with gate, 21.49$ Place your order A.S.A.P. to ensure delivery. Payment at time of delivery. Cash or Check. For more information, email, or call (705)946-2037 Article 23750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DA6F1A.DC32AA73@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black Locust v Honey Locust Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:23:57 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-7N2LVkrG0ZPCJLzrSeWaO/HegWqghlJEKxKpwFBWvgNMovET7KDGR1IlPjAfKXUzQKhqEl69mDZjQzS!gXoztCsPFVJLZu3uZp78ieiUhw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:23:06 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23750 Yo all: A while back there was a thread here in regards to locust trees and the production of honey from them. Since I am in need of establishing a living fence around one of our pastures I would like to do so with a tree that will also provide another nectar source within my lifetime. At first blush it would appear that the locust tree would fit the bill. After doing quite a bit of reading on the subject I find that black locust is a toxic plant to all ruminants, plus any tree of either species that has thorns should be avoided where ever any vehicle with rubber tires might ever be used. Then I learned that although black locust will thrive in poor soil, honey locust requires a fertile soil to survive. Digging even deeper, I find that some hybrid honey locust have been developed without thorns, some without both thorns and pods (which I assume also means without blossoms,) while others have been bred *for* pod production. One site mentions that black locust is an excellent honey source, but none I have found stress this point about any of the honey locust. (*where* did the name come from?) Is there anyone on the list with first-hand, practical experience with these trees, especially the honey locust and the various hybrids thereof? I am particularly interested in them as nectar producers in a sheep pasture setting, and grown in poor, sandy soil. Especially needed are recommendations, both for and against any particular honey locust hybrid, and the reason(s) for the opinions offered. If so, and you are willing to share your knowledge, I promise to add you to my will... (Of course that will involve standing in a *long* line.) :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 23751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Honey Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:53:36 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8be2ei$mro$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-61.barahir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 953847058 23416 62.136.134.189 (23 Mar 2000 21:30:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:30:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23751 Yes. You could spread disease and start robbing. Gordon Blackmore wrote in message news:BcZB4.521$GC.327943@tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca... > Would there be any reason why I would not feed some split (what a mess it > was) honey from last season. > > Gord > http://come.to/3bees > > Article 23752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!t-online.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: "Rudi Maurer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Source for 11 1/4" end bars? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:46:12 +0100 Organization: Online Pro GmbH & Co. KG Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8be71q$kul$1@news04.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news04.btx.dtag.de 953851770 21461 0647491046-0001 000323 22:49:30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 0647491046-0001@t-dialin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23752 Hello, I'm looking for a source for frames with - 11 1/4" end bars, - grooved top bar and - solid bottom bar. I know, these frames are somewhat out of fashion in USA, but here in europe more and more beekeepers decide to use this type - for some good reasons. Unfortunately, europian suppliers do not obtain the bee-space. Therefore I try to buy overseas... Can anyone help me? Thank You, Rudi RudiMaurer@t-online.de Article 23753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!sn-east!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!207.126.101.66.MISMATCH!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a cyber store for beekeepers Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:07:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <20000322162017.13643.00001300@ng-cp1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23753 I agree There are alot of suppliers and most have online catalogs but few have a convenient "shopping cart" type ordering system. Its very frustrating seeing these half and half sites lots of info but no "meat". The best Ive seen for convenience was www.bee%2Dcommerce.com They were not cheap but very easy to use. Nothing bugs me more then going through a site listing the products I want to buy and then having a seat of the pants web site. delete things, forget to list prices, bad links ect. Anyway you found my pet peeve. Dave LKLarson1 wrote in message <20000322162017.13643.00001300@ng-cp1.aol.com>... >I'm surprised some enterprising bee entrepeneur hasn't already developed a site >which would feature (one or two "click") >shopping for most bee supplies you use, including possibly having a "reverse >auction" feature, so that if enough of us want a given item, we could be >"combined" together to see if a given supplier would give us a better price on >that given item. > >Right now, it seems that we have lots of minature "fort knoxes" all over the >country as storehouses for supplies, which isn't all bad, given the diversity, >but the time seems right for a cyber store. You'd end up with the various bee >suppliers, of course, supplying that store, but at the best possible prices and >delivery, similar to Amzn or some of the B2B sites. > > Article 23754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Locust v Honey Locust Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Mar 2000 23:39:34 GMT References: <38DA6F1A.DC32AA73@povn.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000323183934.03516.00003671@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23754 From: "J.F.Hensler" hensler@povn.com >Is there anyone on the list with first-hand, practical experience with >these trees, especially the honey locust and the various hybrids >thereof? I am particularly interested in them as nectar producers in >a sheep pasture setting, and grown in poor, sandy soil. Especially >needed are recommendations, both for and against any particular honey >locust hybrid, and the reason(s) for the opinions offered. Black locust is the one you want. The term "honey" locust is a misnomer; they are not a significant honey source. I value black locust tree, not only for nectar and nitrogen fixation, but for its non-rotting wood. I've split thousands of posts and rails from them. Honey locust is good only for cattle fences and poking out eyes. >If so, and you are willing to share your knowledge, I promise to add >you to my will... (Of course that will involve standing in a *long* >line.) :-) Okay, I'm used to standing in line... I've been waiting for a rich relative to die, but then I got to checking to see if I have any rich ones. I found that my richest relative is actually younger than me; he's a computer technician; and he just bought a beautiful new home. I helped him put on the skirting. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Locust v Honey Locust Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:05:17 GMT References: <38DA6F1A.DC32AA73@povn.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000323200517.22474.00002653@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23755 I don't have any information about the nectar-producing aspects of locusts, but I was at one point a professional horticulturalist (really a glorified gardener). Black Locusts grow very fast, and are very difficult to eradicate once you have them. I worked in one garden where we were digging out suckers seven years after the tree was cut down. And many of these were up to 100 feet from the original tree. You are going to run into a containment problem in a pasture, I think. Since you don't want your animals eating it, you're going to have to hand pull suckers. Round-up would be unadvisable as it will travel back to the original tree and weaken and/or kill it. I'm not sure about honey locust, but suckering is a common trait in acacias. Kelly Article 23756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DACECC.45F7A20A@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Honey References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:03:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 953863431 24.161.116.74 (Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:03:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:03:51 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23756 Go ahead, as long as there is no reason to suspect the colony that produced the honey was infected with foulbrood. The bees will probably make much better use of old honey than you can -- especially if it is granulated, or it contains a great deal of pollen underneath. Just let them recycle it. A good way to do that is to set the old honey-combs in a super, on the bottom board, below the brood box(es). It will act as an "automatic" feeder. Then after a few weeks, once most of the old honey has been used or moved up above, you can remove the super and set the brood boxes back down. Gordon Blackmore wrote: > Would there be any reason why I would not feed some split (what a mess it > was) honey from last season. > > Gord > http://come.to/3bees Article 23757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!bignews.mediaways.net!frnkge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail From: Giuseppe D'Ancona Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumble beekeeping Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:43:34 +0100 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: rm1-271.tiscalinet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pegasus.tiscalinet.it 953858916 23193 62.11.120.15 (24 Mar 2000 00:48:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@tiscali.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2000 00:48:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [it] (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23757 Hello! I am a italian farmer and I would like know if there are books or articles on bumble beekeeping! Thank you, Giuseppe D'Ancona Article 23758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hive entrance question Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:05:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8bem0m$ddi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7PsC4.2408$_c3.14988@typhoon.columbus.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 24 03:05:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23758 >"Mike Geis" wrote: > When does one use the reducer in its two configurations? > > Mike Geis ****************************************************** Howdy Mike -- I think the entrance reducer is a useless product. If the entrance needs to be reduced for winter, or for a small weak colony, use a few wooden blocks laid on the landing part of the bottom board. Bricks work well too. I use the 3/8 " inch opening and leave it open year round. This coupled with a small stick or block under the cover allows good air circulation to prevent excessive moisture in the hive. The store-bought entrance reducer was intended to fit in the 3/4" opening, but the bees propolize it in order to mess up your mind when trying to remove it. Moisture is not as great a killer as mites or foulbrood, but it ranks a close second. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> <20000307203900.02107.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Trace: /Kkf2O2i8YY8MPZpMPS+UjVdZu3iXojRvtNHbMOtdAnbU4k+SCuGfTskG36XEwQ/YnI78xVhR3o9!+EpEu+p8fCgBSOlK6bA2JRmPMlYgSHLm5eG1liswnw5TzXhRyzppOU0qYAAtOcPBJKGYByfrJQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:02:24 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:02:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23759 JMitc1014 wrote: > > Those things are wax moth larvae. You can give the comb back to a new colony of > bees and they will clean the moths right out. Moth larvae are only a problem in > abandoned comb or in colonies that are too sick to resist them. No problem for > strong colonies. I checked my two hives today and found wax moth larvae in one of them. Are all of you saying that a strong hive will take care of these moths? Is there no way to treat or prevent them? The hive is very busy, but it bothers me to see these larvae in the hive. The top cover has indentions chewed all over the inside. Would the wax moths have done this damage? Help! I don't want to lose this hive. Thanks. Louise Article 23760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!triton.skycache.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Food coloring in sugar syrup Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 03:18:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000323221839.02138.00002402@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23760 Round this time last year that North Carolina gentleman told on this list of how he puts food coloring in his sugar syrup to ensure the syrup doesn't adulterate the honey. I had thought this sounded like a good idea. Then I came across the following post in the bee-l archives from another gent in England: "After the war, before most of you thought of beekeeping, we had sugar rationing for many years. Beekeepers were allowed extra for autumn and spring feeding. This sugar was sold with a green dye to prevent it from being used for other purposes. Unfortunately green honey started to appear in the supers (we do not mix brood and super combs) and the green dye had to be abandoned." Hk1beeman, ever had the food coloring "travel" up into the honey supers? Article 23761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Message-ID: References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> <20000307203900.02107.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> <38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 953868310 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:25:10 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:25:10 MST Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:25:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23761 In article , honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk says... > In article <38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain>, Louise Adderholdt > writes > >I checked my two hives today and found wax moth larvae in one of them. > >Are all of you saying that a strong hive will take care of these moths? > >Is there no way to treat or prevent them? Kill their a*ses, dude! The minute you spot one, crush its ugly *ss with your hive tool. The bees need your help to get on top of these critters, and they will repair the comb you damage after you cut these wax-hungry pests out of there. Article 23762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news.man.lodz.pl!newsfeed.silweb.pl!polsl.gliwice.pl!not-for-mail From: "enik" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: job for a student Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:18:24 GMT Organization: Politechnika Slaska, Gliwice Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bad88e$842ff100$1400a8c0@pc-21.ii-lo.gliwice.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: router.ii-lo.gliwice.pl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23762 I'm looking for a phisycal job for a student from Poland on holiday. priv : enik@poczta.fm Article 23763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> <20000307203900.02107.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> <38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6QjC4.15905$mf.1256866@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:36:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 953796994 12.72.41.46 (Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:36:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:36:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23763 A strong QUEENRIGHT colony will be able to keep them in check. The fact that you are seeing them in one of your hives is an indication to look further because something is wrong. Busy doesn't mean strong. Jelly bean shaped indentations in the woodenware are from the larvae. Pick as many out as you can and find out what is wrong and correct it. I'd start by verifying they are queenright and she has a good pattern. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain... > > I checked my two hives today and found wax moth larvae in one of them. > Are all of you saying that a strong hive will take care of these moths? > Is there no way to treat or prevent them? The hive is very busy, but it > bothers me to see these larvae in the hive. The top cover has > indentions chewed all over the inside. Would the wax moths have done > this damage? > > Help! I don't want to lose this hive. > > Thanks. > > Louise Article 23764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:41:11 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <20000307201112.20469.00002702@ng-fb1.aol.com> <20000307203900.02107.00000502@ng-fy1.aol.com> <38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953806258 nnrp-11:14386 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23764 In article <38D95CC3.48F96F9C@atlas.localdomain>, Louise Adderholdt writes >I checked my two hives today and found wax moth larvae in one of them. >Are all of you saying that a strong hive will take care of these moths? >Is there no way to treat or prevent them? The hive is very busy, but it >bothers me to see these larvae in the hive. The top cover has >indentions chewed all over the inside. Would the wax moths have done >this damage? Sounds like the large wax moth (Galleria mellonella). The big ones are the ones that eat the wood. I hate them. They seem so ugly poking out of cells that I open to track them down one by one and kill them off. The bees cannot get at them as easily as the small one and they wriggle so much that even on the floor they bees have a hard time with them. I have also seen them ignored. Fortunately, they seem to be rare and few in number in any infected colony unless it is weak, but they move fast and damage so many larval cells when they are present. Yes, good management and a strong colony seems to do the trick. A nice big spider in the roof helps! The only ones I had were in colonies I took over from old friends or donated to the club apiary. They were never in the best of condition with old comb attracting moths. -- James Kilty Article 23765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <20000322202321.17241.00000856@ng-dh1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953806255 nnrp-11:14386 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23765 In article <20000322202321.17241.00000856@ng-dh1.news.cs.com>, Robert Williamson writes >Maybe you should just watch someone else's bees. What you plan to do will only >encourage the spread of diseases and become a breeding nest for varroa. Just >deal with the fact that evolution has decided to kill off the wild bees. Bees >have to be taken care of now. Besides bees were not ever native to this country >anyway . Just on topic I think. IACR rothamsted, UK, have tested 40 fungi which attack mites (just like bacillus thuringiensis attacks moth larvae and is used against wax moth and cabbage white butterflies). Apparently 16 kill 100% varroa in their test hives. The next stage is to get it right for beekeepers. There is hope that nature can be facilitated a little to help the mellifera honeybee. Who knows, it might carry to wild colonies. -- James Kilty Article 23766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> <9685-38D68F63-1@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> <8bad4d$o7p@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953806259 nnrp-11:14386 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 45 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23766 In article <8bad4d$o7p@chronicle.concentric.net>, Bill & Cherry writes >Thanks for the advise but I think I'll just have to learn to live with them >and keep stuff on hand for the dogs' reaction to stings. The exterminators >all want to use poison and that won't work. It will kill our tortoises. If I have to use poison I use one with a pyrethroid in which decomposes quickly, like permethrin or anything ending in -thrin. Inspect the labels in your hardware store and reject any other like bendiocarb. It could be an ant or woodlouse or wasp spray. Some dog flea sprays contain only permethrin but you'll have to look hard. I don't see how the tortoises could be affected. The main problem with a long lasting insecticide is robbing. Bees will rob out a dead nest of honey and take the poison home. This may kill hundreds or thousands of bees in the robbing colonies, even kill them completely. Exterminators often use these dreadful poisons much to the dismay of beekeepers miles away. The other way is long winded and needs a beekeeper or borrowed colony. Bees go out and come back to the same point. If you can make sure the exit is small and there is a non-return system and another colony right beside the wild one, you can drain the wild one of flying bees which augment the bait hive. Over a few weeks, the stores in the wild colony get used up and are not replaced. The queen stops laying and eventually most bees will have flown. The wild colony dies out and you can remove the bait hive, by now a lot stronger. So a nucleus with a new, mated queen laying well should be brought in to help. A little ingenuity with pipes or one way systems and a hive stand to bring the bait hive right nest to the entrance works wonders. Make sure there is only one exit. It doesn't always work as bees can easily make another exit in a more difficult spot or there are too many gaps to fill completely. I have lost a queen doing this, possibly because the returning bees reacterd to the smell of the bait hive and attacked the bees, thus killing the queen. > So >far I've been unable to find any beekeepers willing to come and get them. I >was hoping there was a way to make the bees want to move by making their >present home uncomfortable. What are the chances of a spontaneous move on >their part? By leaving them, varroa will eventually get them and they will die out. Then the nest will be robbed. Then block up the entrance so no new swarms arrive to take up the "vacant possession". -- James Kilty Article 23767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food coloring in sugar syrup Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 06:25:48 GMT References: <20000323221839.02138.00002402@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324012548.02857.00004035@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23767 >for other purposes. Unfortunately green honey started to appear in the >supers >(we do not mix brood and super combs) and the green dye had to be abandoned." > Hk1beeman, ever had the food coloring "travel" up into the honey supers? > > yes i have and that is exactly the reason that i add the coloring. you see without it i would have extracted that frame along with all the rest, but since the green was there telling me there was sugar syrup in that frame.... it went back to the hive !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 06:31:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324013147.02857.00004038@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23768 >An alternative to the heat box (modified old refrig) is to place the >container in a heated (not boiling water bath). A 5 gallon pail will fit in > awe put the dang thing in ya bath tub, fill er up wit hot water far as she'll go, ever once in a while give the water a whirl. Ya get a heap a cheap heat and no big mess or muss. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a cyber store for beekeepers Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 06:40:41 GMT References: <20000323063030.01753.00004087@ng-bg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324014041.02857.00004044@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23769 >Brushy Mountain Bee Farm seems to be a decent site. It's got a shopping cart >function, plus their list seems pretty complete, from complete hives to bees. > > yeah an i understand they sell a hell of a bee vac !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 06:36:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324013647.02857.00004042@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23770 >n article <8bad4d$o7p@chronicle.concentric.net>, Bill & Cherry > writes >>Thanks for the advise but I think I'll just have to learn to live with them >> awe hell just go out there once a nnight and spray the hell out of em with a garden hose, either they'll leave or you will !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble beekeeping Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:28:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38db5f50.83511430@news1.radix.net> References: <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23771 On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:43:34 +0100, Giuseppe D'Ancona wrote: >Hello! > >I am a italian farmer and I would like know if there are books or >articles >on bumble beekeeping! > >Thank you, Giuseppe D'Ancona The Humble Bee by Sladen would be a very good place to start. Greg the beekeep Article 23772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Locust v Honey Locust Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:35:44 GMT References: <20000323200517.22474.00002653@ng-cn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324103544.06288.00001432@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23772 Black Locust is considered an invasive weed in many places. Don't much care about it's legal status but I am sure your extension service can clue you in. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silk worm type things Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:37:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324103745.06288.00001434@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23773 Dave "The Pollinator" Green that defender of bees mentioned once that tapping on the frame with a hive tool makes the larvae stick out of the frames for easier snagging. It works tap soundly and about a fast rock beat. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food coloring in sugar syrup Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:51:30 GMT References: <20000324012548.02857.00004035@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324105130.02166.00003235@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23774 But do you find that it travels all over the place in the honey supers causing all the honey to turn color, or does it stay contained in the brood box area that fills up first at the beginning of the season? Do you find that the bees move it up later when the honey supers are on, and is it distributed throughout the super frames, or just into a few? Article 23775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hive entrance question Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:45:53 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 41 Message-ID: <38DB8DB1.B86F1C6B@riverace.com> References: <7PsC4.2408$_c3.14988@typhoon.columbus.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bCAYVbnsNhtOVM65Wj/Lqw3XUMxsrHRenDRnY7F5DNo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:45:55 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23775 Mike Geis wrote: > > I have Dadant brood boxes and bottom boards and with all that came a small > rectangular piece of wood that I take to be entrance reducers. I have four > questions I hope one of your experienced people will answer. I have a whole year of experience, but I'll tell you what I know. > Is the idea that one does not use this at all unless there is some specific > reason to do so (e.g., cold) leaving an entrance that is the full width of > the bottom board? > > When does one use the reducer in its two configurations? > > Do the holes face down or up? You can use it if a colony is small or weak, for example if you just installed a package or nuc in the hive. It cuts down on the area the bees need to patrol against invaders. If you have a small number of bees, use the small opening, else use a little larger. Watch the bees during the day - if there's a traffic jam at the opening, use the larger opening or remove it entirely. If it gets hot out, remove it entirely to make sure there's enough ventilation. It's not needed for cold protection. > It appears one would need to nail it in place. Is that true? No. If it doesn't fit in the opening, just lean it in place as best you can. Sometimes you may need to trim the ends to get it to fit lengthwise. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone comb method Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:32:19 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 953918876 204.244.87.28 (Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:27:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:27:56 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23776 Hi! I've been reading about varroa control using drone frames. Now, I have a few frames deformed with extended cells covering most of the area. Could I use those frames or do I have to look for a supplier of those drone frames? Anybody else had success with this method? Pros? Cons? Varroa floors look interesting too... Just trying to avoid chemicals, Predator insects seem to like this method in my garden, makes you wonder sometimes what's best, chemicals or not? Article 23777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Turner=92s?= anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:34:04 GMT References: <38DA6C07.F25EFC9D@usol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324133404.23476.00000180@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23777 I can't possibly imagine anybody credibly objecting to the presence of 5 hives or less as competition to native pollinators (and larger apiaries really aren't the problem for natives either). Keep an eye on those anti-beekeeping ordinances though, and please post here if you hear of any that cite such competition as a reason to prohibit beekeeping. I hope that even the entomologists and biologists who have argued that honey bees compete with native pollinators would defend the opportunity of hobbyists to persue their hobby. It would be sad to see one of the few activities where people interact so intensively with an insect, and with such mutual benefit, stymied. Such scientists have championed the need in nature for a diversity of relationships, but there is a need for a diversity of human relationships with nature too. It's not enough to stand in the window passively and watch the wildlife garden pass you by. Wilderness, conceived of as a place where we don't belong, only breeds more alienation and destruction. It's getting harder and harder to relate to nature today, as linkages to our agrarian past have been neatly severed for many people. Hence a rise in the popularity of beekeeping, gardening and other related activities. Article 23778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!insnet.net!chilli.nntp.netline.net.uk!thyme.nntp.netline.net.uk!nnrp.netlineuk.net!user133060.dial.netline.net.uk!not-for-mail From: "paulhirst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Lava Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:57:54 -0000 Organization: Netline UK - Free Internet Access - http://www.supanet.net.uk Lines: 11 Sender: paulhirst@user133060.dial.netline.net.uk Message-ID: <8bghqb$c55$1@nutmeg.nnrp.netline.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user133060.dial.netline.net.uk X-Trace: nutmeg.nnrp.netline.net.uk 953928331 12453 212.111.133.60 (24 Mar 2000 20:05:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supanet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:05:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23778 Novice needs help please. Spring in UK, managed to get 3 hives through my first winter, don't want to loose them now. The bees in one of my hives are throwing out almost fully formed bees, they are still white with small brown spots, not alive, one some times two. I haven't seen any sign of varoa, could it be the start of infection? If not what? Article 23779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:22:36 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38DBC07C.B1F339BB@midwest.net> References: <20000324013147.02857.00004038@ng-fw1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23779 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >An alternative to the heat box (modified old refrig) is to place the > >container in a heated (not boiling water bath). A 5 gallon pail will fit in > > > > awe put the dang thing in ya bath tub, fill er up wit hot water far as she'll > go, ever once in a while give the water a whirl. > Ya get a heap a cheap heat and no big mess or muss. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC AND, if you time it right, you can take that weekly bath right afterwards. AL Article 23780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:30:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38db5fba.83617655@news1.radix.net> References: <8bdf5b$13o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23780 On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:01:58 GMT, Masha wrote: >I noticed that some honey bees seem to be setting up house in one of >the oak trees on my property. My husband is allergic to bees. The >county co-op gave me a phone number of someone who would remove the >bees but he charges $50. Money is tight in my household. Is there a >better option? I'd rather pay $50 than send my husband to the hospital. > >TIA, >Masha > I would jump on it before the guy realizes he is too cheap and should be charging $250.00. Greg the beekeep Article 23781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Locust v Honey Locust Message-ID: <38daa709.712386843@news.usenetserver.com> References: <38DA6F1A.DC32AA73@povn.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 56 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:21:52 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:23:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23781 Can't imagine anyone wanting to plant locus trees. Come to Nebraska, they are free here .. a major problem in our pastures .. if you cut them down you get dozens of little ones come back .. need to use tordon after you cut. Real hard on tires. But its your farm .. come take all you want Dave On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:23:06 -0800, "J.F.Hensler" wrote: >Yo all: > >A while back there was a thread here in regards to locust trees and >the production of honey from them. Since I am in need of establishing >a living fence around one of our pastures I would like to do so with a >tree that will also provide another nectar source within my lifetime. >At first blush it would appear that the locust tree would fit the >bill. > >After doing quite a bit of reading on the subject I find that black >locust is a toxic plant to all ruminants, plus any tree of either >species that has thorns should be avoided where ever any vehicle with >rubber tires might ever be used. > > >Then I learned that although black locust will thrive in poor soil, >honey locust requires a fertile soil to survive. Digging even deeper, >I find that some hybrid honey locust have been developed without >thorns, >some without both thorns and pods (which I assume also means without >blossoms,) while others have been bred *for* pod production. One site >mentions that black locust is an excellent honey source, but none I >have found stress this point about any of the honey locust. (*where* >did the name come from?) > >Is there anyone on the list with first-hand, practical experience with >these trees, especially the honey locust and the various hybrids >thereof? I am particularly interested in them as nectar producers in >a sheep pasture setting, and grown in poor, sandy soil. Especially >needed are recommendations, both for and against any particular honey >locust hybrid, and the reason(s) for the opinions offered. > >If so, and you are willing to share your knowledge, I promise to add >you to my will... (Of course that will involve standing in a *long* >line.) :-) > >Skip > >-- >Skip and Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, Wash. >http://www.povn.com/rock Article 23782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Lava Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:18:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8bgpj3$o05$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bghqb$c55$1@nutmeg.nnrp.netline.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 24 22:18:26 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23782 "paulhirst"wrote: > Novice needs help please. >Ihaven't seen any sign of varoa, could it be the start of infection? If >not what? ************************************************************ Howdy Paul -- There is also the possibility that the brown spots you see on the pupae might be Varroa. Notice whether the dead discards are mostly drones. Let us hear what you figure out. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Turner=92s?= anti-honey bee agenda sets off alarms Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:10:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38DA6C07.F25EFC9D@usol.com> References: <20000313150944.22446.00000450@ng-cn1.aol.com> <8ajuk2$a3a$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23783 i dont understand it either, i only have one hive. but last year i saw all kinds of pollinators on my plants except my honey bees. and bats? huh? Article 23784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice Beekeeping Course Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:38:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38DBFBC0.FC8E252E@beemaster.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953938033 nnrp-06:2300 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23784 In article <38DBFBC0.FC8E252E@beemaster.com>, John Clayton writes >Fellow Beekeepers and Newbees :) > >Please check out my FREE on-line Novice Beekeeping Course at I did and it's good. -- James Kilty Article 23785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble beekeeping Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:22:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953938030 nnrp-06:2300 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23785 In article <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it>, Giuseppe D'Ancona writes >I am a italian farmer and I would like know if there are books or >articles >on bumble beekeeping! I have just bought "Bumblebees" by O.E.Prys-Jones and S.A.Corbet, number 6 in the Naturalists Handbook Series republished in 1991 by the Richmond Publishing Co. Ltd. in Slough UK (originally by Cambridge University Press in 1987). It deals with 19 species of true bumblebees (bombus) and 6 cuckoo bees (psithyrus) in the British Isles. It has a good chapter on establishing and maintaining nests in captivity and a good diagram of a nesting box. -- James Kilty Article 23786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Lava Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:29:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8bghqb$c55$1@nutmeg.nnrp.netline.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 953938031 nnrp-06:2300 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23786 In article <8bghqb$c55$1@nutmeg.nnrp.netline.net.uk>, paulhirst writes >The bees in one of my hives are throwing out almost fully formed bees, they >are still white with small brown spots, not alive, one some times two. I >haven't seen any sign of varoa, could it be the start of infection? If not >what? Get the best local beekeepers from your association in, preferably your varroa officer and your microscopist and bee breeders. If the small brown spots *are young varroa*, you have a colony that has observable hygienic behaviour. It is selecting the brood with varroa and throwing them out. This is a vital trait. It can be selected for by breeding from *your* colonies. You have a gem of a colony if this is confirmed. Combined with leg-biting and we're on to a winner. Where are you? I could help you find your nearest association. -- James Kilty Article 23787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hive entrance question Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Mar 2000 00:01:15 GMT References: <38DB8DB1.B86F1C6B@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324190115.02165.00003158@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23787 If it doesn't fit in the opening, just lean it in place as best you can. I've found they don't work very well with the screen boards I bought. 3 of five don't fit in the entrance because they are too wide. I find the brick and board solution works just as well with less hassle. Article 23788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!insnet.net!chilli.nntp.netline.net.uk!thyme.nntp.netline.net.uk!nnrp.netlineuk.net!user136120.dial.netline.net.uk!not-for-mail From: "paulhirst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Lava Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:55:16 -0000 Organization: Netline UK - Free Internet Access - http://www.supanet.net.uk Lines: 4 Sender: paulhirst@user136120.dial.netline.net.uk Message-ID: <8bgs2i$dmu$1@fennel.nnrp.netline.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user136120.dial.netline.net.uk X-Trace: fennel.nnrp.netline.net.uk 953938834 14046 212.111.136.120 (24 Mar 2000 23:00:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supanet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Mar 2000 23:00:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23788 All large, so I think they are drones. Bees struggling to carry them away.Hope I have more than a little left want to learn more. Article 23789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DC302D.6C8784B1@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rotten wood and broken comb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:19:09 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.61 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 953953797 206.253.50.61 (Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:09:57 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:09:57 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23789 I f you can replace the rotten corners, I see no problem with the repairs effecting the bees. Some catalogs sell metal corners just for that. I would use the crisscross method of wiring the foundation. I have had good results with it. You will need to get some eyelets for the side bars so the wire does not cut into the wood. When you use the extractor be sure you have frames in all the holders for a easy spin, or a least across from one another. If the foundation is good, but not drawn out the bees will finish the job there. If the foundation is broken of course it will need to be replaced. You may want to feed them some sugar water, this will help them draw out the foundation a little quicker. See your bee book on the mixture to use. Article 23790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DBFBC0.FC8E252E@beemaster.com> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Novice Beekeeping Course Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:36:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.235 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 953930182 151.198.241.235 (Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:36:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:36:22 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23790 Fellow Beekeepers and Newbees :) Please check out my FREE on-line Novice Beekeeping Course at http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm where I cover most aspects of Beekeeping from, my apiary, queens role, swarming, wax moth, nucs, log keeping, installation and ordering of Bees and Supplies. My course has over 40 pages, 200 photos and detailed instructions and observation on our wonderful hobby for the NON Professional. John the Beemaster Also, if you'd like checkout my complete website at http://www.beemaster.com where I have 35 educational topics, 600 photos and nearly 150 pages. Article 23791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Lava Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:36:24 GMT References: <8bghqb$c55$1@nutmeg.nnrp.netline.net.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000324163624.14215.00000654@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23791 Sender: paulhirst@user133060.dial.netline.net.uk >The bees in one of my hives are throwing out almost fully formed bees, they >are still white with small brown spots, not alive, one some times two. I >haven't seen any sign of varoa, could it be the start of infection? If not >what? > Sounds like chilled brood: Did you have a warm spell that encouraged them to brood up, followed by some cold weather? The outer edges of the brood may not have been covered by the cluster as it shrank down in the cold. The good part is that they are throwing them out. If it is really bad, they get overwhelmed, the dead brood is deadly to the hive itself. If they are strong enough to clean out the dead, they'll probably recover from the setback. It could also be a symptom of brief starvation. Heft the hive to see if it is light. They can get enough to get by on nice days, but with no reserves, one or two cold or rainy days can cause brood death. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need some advice Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:34:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8bif8m$fcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bdf5b$13o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38db5fba.83617655@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 25 13:34:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.10 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23792 In article <38db5fba.83617655@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:01:58 GMT, Masha wrote: > > >I noticed that some honey bees seem to be setting up house in one of > >the oak trees on my property. My husband is allergic to bees. The > >county co-op gave me a phone number of someone who would remove the > >bees but he charges $50. Money is tight in my household. Is there a > >better option? I'd rather pay $50 than send my husband to the hospital. > > > >TIA, > >Masha > > > I would jump on it before the guy realizes he is too cheap and should > be charging $250.00. > > Greg the beekeep > > Dear Masha, Don't jump on it too quickly. You have many other options and there are beekeepers who will remove the bees for free. 1. Your chances of finding them would be better here if we knew where you are. If you're close enough I'll come and get them (for free of course). 2. The bees may just be temporarily hanging out in your tree while searching for a new home. 3. Even if they stay they are no threat to your husband unless he is in the habit of climbing that tree, and the particular limb the bees are on. In other words you could just leave them be. For insurance you could get a bee sting kit (Epipen) to have handy just in case your husband gets stung. But you should already have such a kit because he already has about the same chance of getting stung by bees, or more likely some type of wasp, whether the bees live in your tree or not. 4. You could spray them with water several times a day until they decide to move on. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DCD0C7.7F516FFA@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding and first super References: <8big04$g7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:36:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 953995002 24.161.116.74 (Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:36:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:36:42 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23793 mbarton15653@my-deja.com wrote: > > Two questions: I fed them some candy about six weeks ago on top of the > frames - not much, and about a third of it still remains - by feeding am > I making them lazy in foraging for pollen? No. They are hard-wired to forage regardless. Presence of candy will not obviate their need or inclination to collect pollen, which they require as a protein source in brood-rearing. If pollen is out there, and they are rearing brood, they will certainly go collect it. > > Also, when do you start adding the first super? (just brood box at > present) As soon as the Spring flowers are yielding pollen and nectar, bees are foraging regularly, and there are, say, 5-6 combs of brood present, at least. You could add the first super (over queen excluder) by that time, without any problems. It will serve as additional space for early-season nectar and also for the bees themselves, as the colony grows. Better to err on the early side, rather than to give the first super too late. It will help to prevent congestion problems in the brood nest. There is a time-honored rule of thumb, which says that the first super should be added once one notices "whitening" at the top of the brood combs. The whitening is due to new wax being added to the cell edges near the tops of the combs, indicating that nectar is being gathered in considerable quantity. By then, a colony is ready to start work in a super. Nevertheless, it's not a bad idea to add the first one even earlier, to give the girls plenty of extra room for their rapid Spring expansion. (Even if the first significant nectar flows haven't yet begun.) ("Give them a super for the bees" as they say...) Article 23794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding and first super Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:46:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8big04$g7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.244.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 25 13:46:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.244.104 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23794 Lots of bees flying about on sunny days although no signs of them bringing back pollen yet. Two questions: I fed them some candy about six weeks ago on top of the frames - not much, and about a third of it still remains - by feeding am I making them lazy in foraging for pollen? Also, when do you start adding the first super? (just brood box at present) I've not opened up the hive to inspect frames yet and hefting is pointless as I've no experience of what the weight should feel like as I only started keeping in late Summer 1999! Thankyou for your advice Regards Michael. Manchest Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!chex.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection against predators Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:00:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 953992823 24.95.75.22 (Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:00:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 09:00:23 EST Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23795 I live on the Big Darby Creek (more river than creek) out in the country where there is an abundance of skunks (never seen one but have smelled a few), raccoons (visited my birdfeeders in early summer), and opossums (ditto), all three of which are cited in the Penn State BeeAware program as problem animals. Since I am new to beekeeping, I can't say that what lives around here will actually attack my hives but I am wondering two things. One. Is it a given that these three predators, will attack the hives if they are in the area? Two. I bought a electric fence contraption last year to protect my ornamental pond from raccoons but never installed it since they seemed content to eat bird seed. Would using such a thing be a reasonable way to protect the hives from these three animals? I have in mind a two strand arrangement with the lower strand at about 6 inches and the higher one at about 12 inches. Would that work? Thanks, Mike Geis Article 23796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "DORIS JONSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bidata....! Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.40.111 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 954006868 212.151.40.111 (Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:54:28 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:54:28 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: x-225702@d212-151-40-111.swipnet.se Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:42:45 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23796 Sorry to say i downloaded yuoer program and too mee it was a bit confusing manely becaus im adjusted to the Swedish controlcard system but it was intresting althrue. Some adjustmants and it woode be a amasing tool. Excuse my bad spelling. Berry.Jonsson@swipnet.se Från: "Jorn Johanesson" Ämne: What I have been Thinking about lately Datum: den 21 mars 2000 01:47 Dear friends Since I started the programming of my software back in 1972, I have been thinking of a way to collect data in the beeyard, and then in an easy way getting those data into the computer for futher processing. What have kept me away from this aproach have been the cost. But now the littel handheld computer has got a reasonabel price and the little PALM V, I am writing on now cost here in Denmark around $300. So now back to write on the computer :-) I have investigated in software to create a handheld software for beekeeping, and I came to, that what was convenient was Satellite forms, because it is using a Dbase V database, and the forms can be designed to match my bidata software.It also shows that this hanheld can be used by Mac Users and that the handheld software therefore can be used by those people owing this kind of PC. The only drawback is, that it cost Money, A lot of Money, so I will not investigate further unless there is an interest in this approach: Using a handheld computer to make notes and judgments in the bee yard and then transferring the data to the PC, for further processing. So Your comments Please. About taking notes I still have the feeling that you are doing much to much Paperwork, and I still feel that the Bidata and its data file is doing what is needed for processing relevant data of both queen breeder and normal beekeeper interest. If that is not the fact then please tell me what you need. I am programming for the beekeepers, not for me myself, and I want to have my software doing what is needed. EDbi now has a new CD,Including the litle writing offered shown and given out on Apimondia 99, about Nordic Beekeeping, Why not get this CD that contains a lot of beekeeping stuff. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Multilingual Beekeeping software since 1972 Article 23797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New World Carniolans Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:56:42 -0700 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8bj1ja$1ppq$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-4-170.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 954010026 59194 199.45.211.170 (25 Mar 2000 18:47:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2000 18:47:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23797 Anybody have any experience with the NWCs? Are they worth the price? Thanks... -- replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply Article 23798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Protection against predators Lines: 918 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF9661.9DF5F7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:02:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 954010963 204.186.180.194 (Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:02:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:02:43 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23798 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF9661.9DF5F7C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0014_01BF9661.9DF5F7C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01BF9661.9DF5F7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A opossum will usually only eat the dead bees at the entrance and not = bother the hive. We have never had a problem with raccoons. Of the = three, the Skunk is by far the worst, they will scratch at the front of = hive and eat the bees that come out. We have a 1000 colonies and use = electric fences on each site, mostly to keep the bears out, but the = leaving one strand of wire low to the ground, as you mentioned, is = effective at keeping out the skunks and opossums. If we still have a = problem with the skunks we use a skunk guard. (picture below) They are = made of 1" wire mesh and place in front of the entrance of the hive, = which keeps the skunks from scratching at the entrance, but allows the = bees to fly through it. Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com =20 Mike Geis wrote in message = news:XD3D4.4856$_c3.29059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com... > I live on the Big Darby Creek (more river than creek) out in the = country > where there is an abundance of skunks (never seen one but have smelled = a > few), raccoons (visited my birdfeeders in early summer), and opossums > (ditto), all three of which are cited in the Penn State BeeAware = program as > problem animals. >=20 > Since I am new to beekeeping, I can't say that what lives around here = will > actually attack my hives but I am wondering two things. >=20 > One. Is it a given that these three predators, will attack the hives = if > they are in the area? >=20 > Two. I bought a electric fence contraption last year to protect my > ornamental pond from raccoons but never installed it since they seemed > content to eat bird seed. Would using such a thing be a reasonable = way to > protect the hives from these three animals? I have in mind a two = strand > arrangement with the lower strand at about 6 inches and the higher one = at > about 12 inches. Would that work? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Mike Geis >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01BF9661.9DF5F7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A opossum will usually only eat the = dead bees at=20 the entrance and not bother the hive. We have never had a problem with = raccoons.=20 Of the three, the Skunk is by far the worst, they will scratch at the = front of=20 hive and eat the bees that come out.  We have a 1000 colonies and = use=20 electric fences on each site, mostly to keep the bears out, but = the leaving=20 one strand of wire low to the ground, as you mentioned, is effective at = keeping=20 out the skunks and opossums.  If we still have a problem with the = skunks we=20 use a skunk guard. (picture below) They are made of 1" wire mesh = and place=20 in front of the entrance of the hive, which keeps the skunks from = scratching at=20 the entrance, but allows the bees to fly through it.

Royal W. Draper
Draper's Super = Bee Apiaries,=20 Inc.
800-233-4273
draperb@ptd.net
www.draperbee.com
 
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Mike Geis <mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com>= wrote in=20 message news:XD3D4.485= 6$_c3.29059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...
> I live on the Big Darby Creek (more river = than creek) out=20 in the country
> where there is an abundance of skunks (never seen = one but=20 have smelled a
> few), raccoons (visited my birdfeeders in early = summer),=20 and opossums
> (ditto), all three of which are cited in the Penn = State=20 BeeAware program as
> problem animals.
>
> Since I am = new to=20 beekeeping, I can't say that what lives around here will
> = actually attack=20 my hives but I am wondering two things.
>
> One.  Is = it a=20 given that these three predators, will attack the hives if
> they = are in=20 the area?
>
> Two.  I bought a electric fence = contraption last=20 year to protect my
> ornamental pond from raccoons but never = installed it=20 since they seemed
> content to eat bird seed.  Would using = such a=20 thing be a reasonable way to
> protect the hives from these three=20 animals?  I have in mind a two strand
> arrangement with the = lower=20 strand at about 6 inches and the higher one at
> about 12 = inches. =20 Would that work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike = Geis
>=20
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news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:28:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954020764 nnrp-09:29101 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23799 In article <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Freddie Cooke writes >I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the >activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK >based group. Does anyone know of one please? try http://www.kentbee.com. -- James Kilty Article 23800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hive entrance question Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:49:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8bjc9t$cpi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7PsC4.2408$_c3.14988@typhoon.columbus.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 25 21:49:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23800 Mike, I just removed a entrance reducer today. It was followed by a rush of water, not a good thing. I had the opening up, the bottom created a dam. As others have replied, a small peice of scrap wood is a excellent reducer if needed. Tim Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection against predators Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:45:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38dd40e2.17027903@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23801 On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:00:23 GMT, "Mike Geis" wrote: >I live on the Big Darby Creek (more river than creek) out in the country >where there is an abundance of skunks (never seen one but have smelled a >few), raccoons (visited my birdfeeders in early summer), and opossums >(ditto), all three of which are cited in the Penn State BeeAware program as >problem animals. > >Since I am new to beekeeping, I can't say that what lives around here will >actually attack my hives but I am wondering two things. > >One. Is it a given that these three predators, will attack the hives if >they are in the area? > >Two. I bought a electric fence contraption last year to protect my >ornamental pond from raccoons but never installed it since they seemed >content to eat bird seed. Would using such a thing be a reasonable way to >protect the hives from these three animals? I have in mind a two strand >arrangement with the lower strand at about 6 inches and the higher one at >about 12 inches. Would that work? > >Thanks, > >Mike Geis > > Of the three skunks can be a pest. They like to eat bees and plenty of them. A tack board (a piece of 1/4 inch ply wood with small nails sticking through it) usually does the trick. Worry about the mites first. Greg the beekeep Article 23802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!easynet-melon!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection against predators Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:12:56 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8bjfhj$t6b$1@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userdq95.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 954024307 29899 62.188.6.3 (25 Mar 2000 22:45:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2000 22:45:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23802 Here in central England there are plenty of mice, but no skunks, bears, raccoons or oppossums. However, my hives are considerably troubled by woodpeckers (the European green woodpecker, Picus viridis) We protect hives with wire netting or with sheets of plastic or tough cloth hung from under the lid, but the birds have been known to go under and drill up through the floors. They make a hole then eat the bees that come out to look. Sometimes they enlarge the hole and go inside to chop up the frames - very destructive. Some of my hives get holes I can put my hand through. Don't American woodpeckers know about bees? Mike Geis wrote in message news:XD3D4.4856$_c3.29059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com... > I live on the Big Darby Creek (more river than creek) out in the country > where there is an abundance of skunks (never seen one but have smelled a > few), raccoons (visited my birdfeeders in early summer), and opossums > (ditto), all three of which are cited in the Penn State BeeAware program as > problem animals....etc............. > Thanks, > > Mike Geis > > Article 23803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redjasper9@aol.com (Redjasper9) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drone brood Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 00:02:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000325190202.04846.00000246@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23803 Just checked my 2 hives here in eastern PA. 1 is in great shape whith nice brood and the other one looks like all drone cells. Does that mean I have a bad queen? Thanks for any replys. I've learned alot just reading this list! Article 23804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drone brood Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 00:31:03 GMT References: <20000325190202.04846.00000246@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000325193103.02895.00000657@nso-fn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23804 In article <20000325190202.04846.00000246@ng-fw1.aol.com>, redjasper9@aol.com (Redjasper9) writes: > >Just checked my 2 hives here in eastern PA. 1 is in great shape whith nice >brood and the other one looks like all drone cells. Does that mean I have a >bad >queen? Thanks for any replys. I've learned alot just reading this list! > > > Sounds like it to me. Look at the young bees. Are they all drones? Article 23805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding and first super Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8big04$g7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38DCD0C7.7F516FFA@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954032053 nnrp-01:13043 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23805 In article <38DCD0C7.7F516FFA@hotmail.com>, JGinNY writes snip >There is a time-honored rule of thumb, which says that the first super >should be added once one notices "whitening" at the top of the brood >combs. The whitening is due to new wax being added to the cell edges near >the tops of the combs, indicating that nectar is being gathered in >considerable quantity. By then, a colony is ready to start work in a >super. I was taught that when you see whitening at the top, you are a few days too late and they needed more space earlier and could have started earlier. As JGinNY said, best be early than late. In any case, the bees will make space in the brood chamber by moving honey upstairs if they need to. -- James Kilty Article 23806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:44:56 GMT References: <38DBC07C.B1F339BB@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000325204456.02497.00004400@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23806 >> go, ever once in a while give the water a whirl. >> Ya get a heap a cheap heat and no big mess or muss. > >AND, if you time it right, you can take that weekly bath right >afterwards. > >AL > Dang rite...no reason ta waste water, specially if'n its still warm!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food coloring in sugar syrup Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:47:01 GMT References: <20000324105130.02166.00003235@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000325204701.02497.00004401@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23807 >rood box >area that fills up first at the beginning of the season? > Do you find that the bees move it up later when the honey supers are on, >and >is it distributed throughout the super frames, or just into a few? > > usually stays pretty close ta where they put it to start with Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drone brood Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 02:47:08 GMT References: <20000325190202.04846.00000246@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000325214708.02159.00002870@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23808 From: redjasper9@aol.com (Redjasper9) >Just checked my 2 hives here in eastern PA. 1 is in great shape whith nice >brood and the other one looks like all drone cells. Does that mean I have a >bad >queen? Thanks for any replys. I've learned alot just reading this list! If the queen is laying drones in drone cells, that's pretty normal in the spring. If you have more than 15-20% drone brood comb, you need to upgrade your comb. The bees do need some drone brood comb, some folks are too fussy about removing every trace of it. Years ago, a hobby beekeeper I knew would sit at the hive entrance and kill drones one by one. The best hives always have plentiful drones in the spring, and I can't see why we should fight nature. But the sign of a problem, is if your queen is laying drone eggs in worker cells. If you see itty-bitty drones hatching out of worker cells, your queen has failed. Better give them a frame of brood from a good hive, with eggs on it, so they can raise a good queen. -Or at least give them some young workers so you can successfully requeen. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection against predators Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 02:50:25 GMT References: <8bjfhj$t6b$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000325215025.02159.00002872@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23809 From: "Pamela Buckle" p.Buckle@care4free.net >Sometimes they enlarge the hole and go inside to chop up the frames - very >destructive. Some of my hives get holes I can put my hand through. Don't >American woodpeckers know about bees? Nope, at least in my experience. They LOVE wax worms, though. I once had a woodpecker make a complete lattice of my boxes, on a deadout that had wax worms. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NWC vs Carniolan Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:43:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23810 Hi everyone, I have used and still do the "regular carniolan" so to speak. Is there anyone who has used them and Susan Cobeys New World Carniolans? I'm curious as to how the NWC fair with regards to supercedure, mite resistance, temperament, swarms and honey production versus the regular Carniolan. Kent Stienburg Article 23811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection against predators Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 03:20:44 GMT References: <38dd40e2.17027903@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000325222044.28022.00002630@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23811 <> Nail boards can be a hazard to you in the yard. Rather than a piece of wood, use an asphalt shingle. You can easily push the nails through with your fingers and it holds them up straight. However, if your shoe lands on one, the asphalt will yield and the nail will push aside, not through your boot. It prevented skunks in one of my apiaries. Article 23812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DD5CA2.CE5C66B6@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble beekeeping References: <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 X-Trace: /w/U24RPdFuh1J7IpOBiYMmAJZrOR+v9rxfH+JK4bcJ6S8S2nzNvXoSDaJ1TFd4Dt2HR0/7T7eSm!mJIkT4gmeiawvDbtFfgAyFt62C1voLQjeNiiZdg/sqExwR0JUwQ4h+GNROwaG5gJrWe7a71S+Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:02:35 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:02:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23812 Giuseppe D'Ancona wrote: > > Hello! > > I am a italian farmer and I would like know if there are books or > articles > on bumble beekeeping! > > Thank you, Giuseppe D'Ancona Yes, I just ordered a bumblebee house and a book on bumblebees from Gardens Alive. Louise Article 23813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nectar Productiion Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:15:49 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.124 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 954069160 203.37.7.124 (Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:12:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:12:40 EST Organization: InterACT Technology Group http://www.interact.net.au/ X-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:12:40 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23813 Could someone please tell me at what stage of development do flowers begin to produce nectar. i.e. before or after the bud opens -- Barry Metz Article 23814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!news.harvard.edu!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection against predators Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:22:08 -0700 Organization: Smart Lines: 17 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8bl60i$42q$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8bjfhj$t6b$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23814 > Here in central England ... my hives are considerably troubled by > woodpeckers ...They make a hole then eat the bees that come out > ...Don't American woodpeckers know about bees Don't know about American Woodpeckers, but I did have a Canadian woodpecker come by one winter and do lots of damage in a few yards. It pecked out the handholds and wrecked quite a few boxes. Wasn't good for the bees either. Otherwise, in thirty years or so, I haven't seen any others around. allen ----- Access over ten years of bee discussions. Search BEE-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 23815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!news.harvard.edu!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Potassuium Sorbate Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:36:07 -0700 Organization: Smart Lines: 22 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8bl6rn$4nd$2@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23815 I've been into the books again, and Gilles Fert in his book 'Breeding Queens" says regarding thin syrup, which we all know ferments quickly,: "If the syrup is prepared in advance, 2 drops of potassium sorbate per 100 litres (US quarts) of syrup may be added to prevent fermentation". Has anyone tried this, or have any idea if there are any side effects on the bees. I gather Gilles know what is talking about, but has anyone else used this trick? allen Access over ten years of bee discussions. Search BEE-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 23816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maximum Brood Area (Again) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:27:00 -0700 Organization: Smart Lines: 40 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8bl6r3$4kj$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23816 On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:41:08 -0700, Allen Dick wrote: > While in San Diego, I bought Bee Culture's pollination video "The > Honey Bee -- A growers Guide". It's a great video, but one thing > bothered me: the part about brood area. Frankly, I'd be afraid > to show it to a grower -- and that was my intent in buying it. I've had some more thoughts on this since then and written a bit more about it at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ in Friday's diary. This whole matter concerns me quite a bit. For one thing, it makes me realize how unobservant we are, and what a bad job we do of estimations sometimes, and how unscientific and subjective our business is. I also am amazed that, after calculating possible brood area from numbers given by good authorities, and after counting the cells on a normal frame, that I want, somehow to believe that I have seen more brood in a hive than I can possibly have seen. I'd like to believe in as many as eight full frames of brood sometimes. But when I calculate it out I realise that my mind must have been playing tricks. I also realise that estimating areas of circles or ellipses on rectangles is tricky. What are the true numbers on how many eggs a good queen can lay for weeks on end? Is it the 1,500 to 2,000 that I found in the books, or some other number? Has anyone here actually measured brood areas in hives scientifically for a period of time or counted the egg output of a queen? Or do we all just go by what we think we see? Anyone? allen Access over ten years of bee discussions. Search BEE-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 23817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maximum Brood Area (Again) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:35:15 -0700 Organization: Smart Lines: 42 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8bl6rm$4nd$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23817 On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:41:08 -0700, Allen Dick wrote: > While in San Diego, I bought Bee Culture's pollination video "The > Honey Bee -- A growers Guide". It's a great video, but one thing > bothered me: the part about brood area. Frankly, I'd be afraid > to show it to a grower -- and that was my intent in buying it. I've had some more thoughts on this since then and written a bit more about it at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ in Friday's diary. This whole matter concerns me quite a bit. For one thing, it makes me realize how unobservant we are, and what a bad job we do of estimations sometimes, and how unscientific and subjective our business is. I also am amazed that, after calculating possible brood area from numbers given by good authorities, and after counting the cells on a normal frame, that I want, somehow to believe that I have seen more brood in a hive than I can possibly have seen. I'd like to believe in as many as eight full frames of brood sometimes. But when I calculate it out I realise that my mind must have been playing tricks. I also realise that estimating areas of circles or ellipses on rectangles is tricky. What are the true numbers on how many eggs a good queen can lay for weeks on end? Is it the 1,500 to 2,000 that I found in the books, or some other number? Has anyone here actually measured brood areas in hives scientifically for a period of time or counted the egg output of a queen? Or do we all just go by what we think we see? Anyone? allen Access over ten years of bee discussions. Search BEE-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 23818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maximum Brood Area (Again) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:36:40 -0700 Organization: Smart Lines: 44 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8bl6rv$4nd$3@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust145.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23818 On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:41:08 -0700, Allen Dick wrote: > While in San Diego, I bought Bee Culture's pollination video "The > Honey Bee -- A growers Guide". It's a great video, but one thing > bothered me: the part about brood area. Frankly, I'd be afraid > to show it to a grower -- and that was my intent in buying it. I've had some more thoughts on this since then and written a bit more about it at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ in Friday's diary. This whole matter concerns me quite a bit. For one thing, it makes me realize how unobservant we are, and what a bad job we do of estimations sometimes, and how unscientific and subjective our business is. I also am amazed that, after calculating possible brood area from numbers given by good authorities, and after counting the cells on a normal frame, that I want, somehow to believe that I have seen more brood in a hive than I can possibly have seen. I'd like to believe in as many as eight full frames of brood sometimes. But when I calculate it out I realise that my mind must have been playing tricks. I also realise that estimating areas of circles or ellipses on rectangles is tricky. What are the true numbers on how many eggs a good queen can lay for weeks on end? Is it the 1,500 to 2,000 that I found in the books, or some other number? Has anyone here actually measured brood areas in hives scientifically for a period of time or counted the egg output of a queen? Or do we all just go by what we think we see? Anyone? allen Access over ten years of bee discussions. Search BEE-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 23819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old honey Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:46:01 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8bleqg$ji7$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: eWZvyhyS8Uw2VBHxXZl5PrnXb9QYN8LI0EZJiNbiBds= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:45:04 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23819 I recently discovered 2 full supers of honey that were wrapped in the basement in a plastic trash bag that I had forgotten. They are at least 2 years old, the honey looks and tastes fine. Should still be ok to extract, yes? Or should I just go ahead and feed it back to the bees? Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, John Article 23820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: s_l_kidman@zbee.com (S.l.kidman) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What I have been Thinking about lately Message-ID: <954102128@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:56:02 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/103 8bb26623 REPLY: 240:244/101 e1825481 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg(77) I used a Psion with the idear to load down on rerturn to the pc. Took me a X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 954105372 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23820 week to get the propolis off the small keys before it would work. It was never used again in the apriary! Tim kidman, Cheshire beekeeper. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/103) Article 23821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area (Again) Message-ID: References: <8bl6rv$4nd$3@news.smartworld.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 954104932 216.100.16.35 (Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:08:52 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:08:52 MST Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:08:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23821 In article <8bl6rv$4nd$3@news.smartworld.net>, allendick@freewwweb.com says... > For one thing, it makes me realize how > unobservant we are, and what a bad job we do of estimations sometimes, and > how unscientific and subjective our business is. > > Sort of like the practice of medicine. Article 23822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb la pagina Hispana de Agricultura y Ganaderia Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:14:41 +0200 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.59.205.36 Message-ID: <38de8bbf_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 27 Mar 2000 00:14:23 +0100, 212.59.205.36 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!212.59.205.36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23822 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ En el mes de Febrero hemos superado por primera vez la frontera de 3.000 visitas/mes. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Además poseemos dos nuevas colaboraciones enviadas algunos de vosotros. @groPreguntas @groNoticias - 41 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 125 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a cerca de 2.000 de los cuales + 1.000 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades. Se despide atentamente esperando que sean de vuestro agrado nuestra actualización: Javier Soto Vázquez Article 23823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Mar 2000 23:44:21 GMT References: <8bleqg$ji7$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000326184421.08662.00002111@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23823 > Should still be ok to extract, >yes? Or sh yep eat it rite up ya self, if it was capped jus like bein in a jar only better !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 23824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drone brood Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:21:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38DEB7A8.684E028C@fuse.net> References: <20000325190202.04846.00000246@ng-fw1.aol.com> <20000325214708.02159.00002870@ng-ff1.aol.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.238.2.15!skynet.be!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!texas.uncensored-news.com!traffic.uncensored-news.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23824 And then, of course, there is the possibility of a laying worker, or workers. If you just give them a frame of eggs and brood, they don't think they need a queen, do they? You have to get rid of the laying workers (if you determine that you have more drone brood than is appropriate for the time of year) and requeen. We have successfully used the following approach, along with 2 others in our bee club. It worked every time. (We got some horrid queens last year from our bee supplier!) You take all the frames from the hive to a spot at least 150 feet away from the hive. Or take the hive itself, as long as you have another to replace it in its same spot. Take each frame out of the hive at the 150' away spot and shake all the bees off the frame. Do this to each frame in the hive. You will have a pretty large pile of bees. Some will take off immediately and return to the original location. That's why you need a box there for them. Be sure to have your bee suit on. The bees are really irritated by this maneuver! As I have read, the laying workers have become enlarged from laying eggs (even though they are drone eggs) and cannot fly far, if at all. The laying workers will perish at the site. The rest of the bees will return to the hive location. You should wait about 3 hours or so before you place the queen cage into the hive so that the laying worker's pheromones can dissipate. You should watch the queen cage to be sure the bees are accepting her and do all your normal queen installation type things. Judy in Kentucky, USA Article 23825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter Bees and Blueberries Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Mar 2000 14:48:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327094835.13593.00002030@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23825 South Carolina's blueberries are in full bloom. You may be interested in some observations and photos yesterday with carpenter bees, which are much maligned by blueberry growers: http://pollinator.com/carpenter.htm Dave Green The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 23826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble beekeeping Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Mar 2000 15:00:22 GMT References: <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327100022.13591.00001553@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23826 From: Giuseppe D'Ancona gidancon@tiscalinet.it >I am a italian farmer and I would like know if there are books or >articles >on bumble beekeeping! Giuseppe, There are some resources available at: http://pollinator.com/alt_pollinators.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!news.netscum.dk!netscum.int!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: What I have been Thinking about lately Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:30:32 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8bo5pu$gi7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <954102128@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 954178174 16967 195.249.242.3 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23827 S.l.kidman skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:954102128@zbee.com... > week to get the propolis off the small keys before it would work. It was never > used again in the apriary! > Tim kidman, Cheshire beekeeper. Have You thought of putting things, that you don't want dirty from propolis, Honey or whatever in a plastic sheet! The palm handheld computer have no keys to handle. You write or tap with a plastic stick or a roller pen (without ink) directly on the screen. What I am investigating in is a palm software where it only is needed to tap on the screen :-) I admit I have not tested the hanheld in the beeyard until now, it is still to coold to do work there, but I will as soon as the weather is ready, I need to give a little feed to the bees now to insure they will get a god start. It is also time to jugde what families to abbandon (weak ones ) and what to look at as possible new queen basic. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 23828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees and Blueberries Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Mar 2000 16:20:39 GMT References: <20000327094835.13593.00002030@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327112039.22480.00003599@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23828 < Facinating Dave. Thanks for the info. I'm intrigued by the idea of the diversity of relationships between pollinators, not just the diversity of pollinators. Somebody recently asked me if I had any information about whether honey bees chew holes in flowers the way carpenter bees and bumblebees do. They don't. I could see how someone could mistakenly believe that they do if the honey bees are using the holes created by bumblebees and carpenter bees. It's a little like the situation that has been described on this list previously when honey bees get the blame for breaking the skin of fruit to get the sweet juice. It's actually yellow jackets and wasps that chew open the skin of the fruit. Honey bees may show up after the damage has been done and try to gather some of the juice. Article 23829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding and first super Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Mar 2000 18:26:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327132618.08657.00002460@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23829 <> Hi James, I've heard it recommended that if the brood area starts to plug up with honey, increasing pressure for swarming, the beekeep can help unplug it by scratching some of the honey cappings off, which will force the bees to relocate the honey elsewhere. Have you ever tried this? Article 23830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:14:14 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8bo4op$o5m$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdt41.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 954177113 24758 62.188.6.246 (27 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Mar 2000 17:11:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23830 This will be it if you write in and use it. There are no national barriers in beekeeping. Hi to everybody I met at Apimondia - what a good week that was! Martin Buckle (Milton Keynes, UK) James Kilty wrote in message news:Q6OxGoANo$24EwZT@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Freddie Cooke > writes > >I keep bees in Shropshire in the UK and as much as I like to read about the > >activities of beekeepers world-wide I would like to have access to a UK > >based group. Does anyone know of one please? > try http://www.kentbee.com. > -- > James Kilty Article 23831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nectar Productiion Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:21:49 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8bo4oq$o5m$2@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userdt41.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 954177114 24758 62.188.6.246 (27 Mar 2000 17:11:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Mar 2000 17:11:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23831 Different flowers - different answers. Most produce nectar on a daily repeating pattern starting as they open. Observations have shown bees shifting what they go to for nectar as the day passes. So the answer to your Q depends on your answer to "What were they foraging on?" Martin B. Barry Metz wrote in message news:IgmD4.11$YQ.251995@news.interact.net.au... > Could someone please tell me at what stage of development do flowers begin > to produce nectar. > i.e. before or after the bud opens > > > -- > Barry Metz > > Article 23832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: April Kentish Bee available Message-ID: <954109306@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:21:46 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 954135126 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23832 Hello all, The April issue of Kentish Bee has been put on the web site http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/april0kb.htm I forgot to mention that The Hive Chat rooms has a registration process which you need to go through, this validates that you have provided the correct email address. Any problem questions email: hive@zbee.com The Hive Chat room can bee found on: http://www.kentbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 23833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38DFA376.26C4E01E@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad spam n mustard sandwiches"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What I have been Thinking about lately References: <954102128@zbee.com> <8bo5pu$gi7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:08:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:08:34 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23833 I used my Palm Saturday to inventory a yard with equipment for 20 hives. Set it on the colony next to me and took notes with gloves on. I did not have an inventory preset I had to write it out. I was pleased with performance and did not get any spills nor junk on the device. The stylus keeps your hands off the screen. I used space to delineate within a memo and downloaded to my PC when I got home. I will try to find the time over the next month to come up with a spreadsheet to download into. Thom Bradley Jorn Johanesson wrote: > > S.l.kidman skrev i en > nyhedsmeddelelse:954102128@zbee.com... > > week to get the propolis off the small keys before it would work. It was > never > > used again in the apriary! > > Tim kidman, Cheshire beekeeper. > > Have You thought of putting things, that you don't want dirty from propolis, > Honey or whatever in a plastic sheet! > > The palm handheld computer have no keys to handle. You write or tap with a > plastic stick or a roller pen (without ink) directly on the screen. What I > am investigating in is a palm software where it only is needed to tap on the > screen :-) > > I admit I have not tested the hanheld in the beeyard until now, it is still > to coold to do work there, but I will as soon as the weather is ready, I > need to give a little feed to the bees now to insure they will get a god > start. It is also time to jugde what families to abbandon (weak ones ) and > what to look at as possible new queen basic. > > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://apimo.dk (USA) > http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) > apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 23834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:36:02 -0700 Organization: Smart Lines: 12 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust252.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8bm6jp$oih$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8bleqg$ji7$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust252.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23834 Go ahead and extract it. The honey in the store that people are buying is often older than that. allen -- > I recently discovered 2 full supers of honey that were wrapped in the > basement in a plastic trash bag that I had forgotten. They are at least 2 > years old, the honey looks and tastes fine. Should still be ok to extract, Article 23835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inland Northwest Sources?? Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:18:04 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38DFB3EC.2D25144F@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-07.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 954184683 4127 129.101.6.167 (27 Mar 2000 19:18:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Mar 2000 19:18:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23835 i am looking for a place to purchase and or rent beekeeping stuff in the inland northwest, specifially Lewiston ID, Clarkston WA, Moscow ID, etc. Thanks Matthew Moscow ID Article 23836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood for hive bodies Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:05:56 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8bom04$6h7$0@63.68.71.234> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.71.234 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23836 Being a hobby wood worker (and rather new to beekeeping) I'm planning on building my own hive bodies/supers, etc. And I'm wonder on the choice of wood. I've only seen pine (of various grades) used for hive parts. Is there any reason other than cost. I would consider using white oak because it weathers better, and it's available from the local sawmill for not much more than high grade pine at Lowes. I can understand not wanting to used treated pine, some exotic woods, and possibly even black wanut. But do bees have anything against other woods? -Tim Article 23837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!teaser.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Louis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AUTHENTICAL CARNIOLAN Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:29:33 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8bonf2$mt0$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clermont-f-9-201.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 954196258 23456 164.138.219.201 (27 Mar 2000 22:30:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:30:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23837 See also site on http://apiphyt.com/carnica Matthew a écrit dans le message <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net>... > >After two years using the NWC queens, these bees come with my highest >recommendation - provided your environment is suited to their >strengths. > >My apiary is in Castle Rock, CO which is a 'Zone-5' area with plenty >of snow at the foothills of the Rocky Mountains. The best strength >(for my use!) of the NWC (& Carniolans) is their ability to >over-winter in surprisingly small numbers. They resemble a mass >anywhere from a football size to basketball during winter and consume >roughly half the honey stores of my Italian & feral varieties. > >As for temperament, they can be handled gloveless, maskless and >smokeless nearly up until August. The other half of my apiary (50 >hives or so) is made up from mostly feral hives from every race - and >you KNOW the difference in August. Some of the hives will empty every >bee off the frames if I attempt management without smoke. Even with >smoke, they're not happy bees. > >As for honey production - these bees outperformed all but two of my >other hives at roughly 30% more stores last October. Mite resistance >SEEMS to be high since they are not falling prey to Varroa late in the >season as some of my other hives did last summer. > >Buckfast bees seem to have similar characteristics of the NWC breed, >however, I'm not impressed with their cost nor their supercedure >queens - which I had one which no one could approach without full >battle gear. > >NWC queens can be purchased relatively cheaply. Pat Heitkam >(Vacaville, CA) is a good source for queens as he raises them >full-time. DO NOT purchase your queens from sideline bee breeders. >You'll end up with haphazard queens - sometimes they arrive timely, in >great shape & other times you'll end up with questionable queens. Be >sure about whom you're buying from. > >If you live in milder climates, perhaps other races of bees should be >considered for maximum yield. > > >Matthew Westall - Earthling Bees - Castle Rock, CO > > >>Hi everyone, >> >>I have used and still do the "regular carniolan" so to speak. Is there >>anyone who has used them and Susan Cobeys New World Carniolans? I'm >>curious as to how the NWC fair with regards to supercedure, mite >>resistance, temperament, swarms and honey production >versus the regular >>Carniolan. >> >>Kent Stienburg > Article 23838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass-sided behive anyone? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:53:48 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327035348.02165.00003507@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23838 I have a beehive in my upstairs library, with glass sides--they go in and out of this "exhibition hive" thru a tube in the wall. Works great. I see no reason why a full hive, if sealed properly, would do just fine. Obviously, you'll take it out to service it, but that's not a problem, for any bees will fly back to the entrance. I put back the plexiglass sides when I show this hive to school children, and change it back to glass, which I prefer, for my use. Bees seem to prefer the dark and direct sun, of course, will kill the brood. So, I simply keep a dark colored piece of poster board on the "sun side"--the other I leave open and it does fine. Have fun--it's well worth it. I love hearing the noise level, increasing when there's a honey flow on, etc.... Article 23839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!falcon.america.net!news.mindspring.net!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim/Polly Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen's in Cages? Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:30:01 -0600 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <8boujr$1ig@library1.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: 204.181.96.50 NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Mar 27 18:32:59 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X;I]4F\KsKti9> (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23839 I ordered several queens and expected them to arrive late this week. Surprise - they got here today, Monday, and I can't get them installed until Thursday or possibly Friday. I've read that you should get them in ASAP, but are there guidelines to how long they can be kept in their shipping cages. I did give them a mist of water and will continue that daily until I can get them installed. Any other tips for keeping them as healthy as possible? Also, any tips for finding the old queen? I checked the colonies (2) yesterday, and although not a thorough queen hunting mission; I was looking pretty closely to see if she presented herself. No luck... Jim Article 23840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for hive bodies Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:52:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8bovoi$bcr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bom04$6h7$0@63.68.71.234> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 28 00:52:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23840 > (Tim Arheit) wrote: > I can understand not wanting to used treated pine, some exotic woods, > and possibly even black wanut. But do bees have anything against > other woods? > > -Tim ************************************************* Howdy Tim -- Cypress is by far the best wood for the outside parts of a hive, but it is hard to come by except in the South. The main objection to hardwoods is the extra weight. The bees don't care what wood is used. Aromatic Red Cedar should not be used because of its liklihood of imparting the taste to the honey. I have used a lot of yellow pine for both outside parts and frames. The heavy grain creates some problem with directing nails, staples, or brads in a direction you do not want. This type wood can often be obtained for free at building sites where the framing is wood timbers. Spruce 2x4's etc works well for frame end bars and has no grain to misdirect the nails. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!not-for-mail From: Craig Adam Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:24:21 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 74 Message-ID: <8bp1k5$60o$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.host.sfu.ca X-Trace: morgoth.sfu.ca 954206661 6168 192.168.100.25 (28 Mar 2000 01:24:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.sfu.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:24:21 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23841 -- Not so positive responses > Jeez, glad my hives are nowhere near Vancouver. Thinking you are > contributing to building resistance is folly and all you are doing is > providing safe harbor for mites. I'm sure your beekeeping neighbors > appreciate all you are doing to contribute to the demise of their > colonies. Evolution is a slow process. Read a book. > Maybe you should just watch someone else's bees. What you plan to do > will only encourage the spread of diseases and become a breeding nest > for varroa. Just deal with the fact that evolution has decided to kill > off the wild bees. Bees have to be taken care of now. Besides bees were > not ever native to this country anyway > And what is your cure for cancer? Positive thinking? This new age > stuff is > too much for me. Maybe we just ought to not mediate any infants either, > in the long > run, "in the years to come", we will appreciate it. Goodness. -- More so positive responses > I admire your concern for the "wild" bees, but realistically, bees > are just livestock like cows, horses, and people. Evolution is too > slow. > Livestock (including > people) need help ! > I'm afraid your idea presented would be unfair to the very > critters you are trying to befriend (to say nothing of the other > beekeepers in your area). Well, that's the first time I've been called new age :) I'm actually an electronics engineering student and am usually called a technocrat :) This bee keeping stuff is just one of my hobbies. First, a little more information, the hive I have now is extremely strong, no sign of that goo in the baby bee cells (forgive the non technical jargon) or various other diseases. I had also brought some frames to a 'real' beekeeper (I keep bees, but I guess I'm not a beekeeper) to inspect and he didn't find anything wrong. Prepare to cringe - I'm going to split my 1 large hive into two smaller ones, and give a few frames to my neighbor :) Now in regards to evolution taking place at glacial speeds. This is certainly true, it is a very gradual process, if you are perhaps a human or a monkey, or a bee. I don't really know how fast bees evolve so I'll make no claims there, (probably really really slow). I do know that bacteria and viruses can evolve at an astounding rate. For example, there seems to be some discussion now on the over-use of anti-biotics in humans. It seems that 'superbugs' have evolved which resist our medications. I do not suggest we stop giving penicillin to babies to treat them for various diseases, but perhaps anti-biotics in hand-soap is a bit much. Now varroa is a mite, and apistan is not penicillin, and my example may be completely off base, but it just seems to me that there are some similarities. The point that bee's are live-stock is a good one. We certainly medicate cows quite a bit (growth hormones and the like), and I can't say I don't eat cows, and I can't say I'd like to pay more for a non medicated piece of cow, so I guess that's just the way things are going to be. Anyways, I'm not going to burn my hive and bees and save the local bee population. I still have some medication, but I think I'm just going to leave them bee (ha ha). I enjoy watching them work away. I'm not going to steal any of their honey either, they collect it, they can keep it. It's kind of hands free bee keeping, just watching.. By the way, I also keep (though keep is not the right word) mason bees, which in fact are native to Vancouver. These guys (gals I suppose) are pretty interesting to watch too. And I believe they are resistant to many of the honey bee diseases. I won't be medicating them either. Craig. Article 23842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble beekeeping Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Mar 2000 13:13:23 GMT References: <38DD5CA2.CE5C66B6@atlas.localdomain> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327081323.03529.00005185@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23842 For people in the U.S. that are interested in attracting native pollinators, the best solution would be, IMO, to create habitat for already existing native bees to expand into by building bumblebee houses or creating other appropriate nesting places. Purchasing pollinating insects other than honey bees risks introducing an entirely new species to your area with unforeseen consequences to the natives. If we must have managed pollinators in densities sufficient to produce a good harvest, better to go with the honey bee, which has been around North America for at least a couple hundred years in most places. Its effects on natives, if any, have already been adjusted to in the local ecosystem, and the feral population is controlled by mites. Article 23843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where dandelions come from Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:44:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000327204432.02155.00003325@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23843 Beekeepers often cite the bloom of the ever-present dandelions in the U.S. as signaling the start of the beekeeping season in earnest. A search of the Bee-l archives (another beekeeping discussion group) shows beekeepers planning nuc sales, supering, splitting and reversing all around the dandelion bloom. The plant is described as an important source of forage for honey bees by beekeepers across the country in almost all regions in a survey of beekeepers reported in "The Hive and the Honey Bee." Surprisingly (to me at least), the dandelion is not a native species in the North American landscape. In a new book called "The Landscaping Revolution: Garden with Mother Nature, Not Against Her" by Andy Wasowski, the author describes the origins of the flower: "Invasive exotics are not new. The first came over on the Mayflower, in cattle feed. By 1672, twenty-two weeds were documented in New England, including the ubiquitous dandelion, which is native to northern Europe and Siberia." Native pollinators forage on dandelions too. The first European settlers may have brought an unexpected bounty of nectar and pollen to native pollinators that outweighed any competition from the newly introduced honey bee. Article 23844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E01115.870D5F90@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for hive bodies References: <8bom04$6h7$0@63.68.71.234> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:48:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954208082 24.161.116.74 (Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:48:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:48:02 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23844 Cypress hives, and especially floors, are said to be very long-lived even in moist areas, and are made by some
mfr.'s in the southern USA.  White oak sounds fine, if it isn't too heavy.  Just make sure the boards -- of whatever type -- are well-dried, to avoid shrinkage or checking.  Both can be a real hassle later on.

I once had a couple all-cypress hives, and the floors did last a very long time, but the hive bodies warped a little at the upper edges, resulting in gaps the bees could get through.  The hive bodies had noticeably more weight to them than the usual pine, but no big deal.

In some areas here in the Northeast, poplar (a.k.a. Aspen?) is abundant and available locally from some mills, and when properly dried and planed, the boards make fine supers, floors, and covers.  Mostly straight-grained, and about the same density as pine; often has a greenish tinge to it.  Not sure how good that would be for the frames themselves, but then given the number and complexity of the cuts required for Hoffman frames, it is probably more cost-effective to just buy and assemble them.

(hmmm... how about a solid maple hive for heavy-duty?!  Wouldn't that be a bear to move around!)

Tim Arheit wrote:

Being a hobby wood worker (and rather new to beekeeping)  I'm planning
on building my own hive bodies/supers, etc.  And I'm wonder on the
choice of wood.  I've only seen pine (of various grades) used for hive
parts.  Is there any reason other than cost.   I would consider using
white oak because it weathers better, and it's available from the
local sawmill for not much more than high grade pine at Lowes.

I can understand not wanting to used treated pine, some exotic woods,
and possibly even black wanut.  But do bees have anything against
other woods?

-Tim

Article 23845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.98.98.64!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E01A66.BE00C3A2@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad spam n mustard sandwiches"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen's in Cages? References: <0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:36:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp16.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:36:02 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23845 You can set the queens , in their cages, on top of the top bars. they will keep them alive for quite a while. The attendants, will probably die. This is called banking queens. It is best if you use a strong nuc or queenless colony. You can do it fine with a strong colony. Best if there are at least 2 deeps or 3 mediums. Thom Bradley Jim/Polly Sharp wrote: > > I ordered several queens and expected them to arrive > late this week. Surprise - they got here today, Monday, > and I can't get them installed until Thursday or possibly > Friday. > > I've read that you should get them in ASAP, but are there > guidelines to how long they can be kept in their shipping > cages. I did give them a mist of water and will continue > that daily until I can get them installed. Any other tips for > keeping them as healthy as possible? > > Also, any tips for finding the old queen? I checked the > colonies (2) yesterday, and although not a thorough queen > hunting mission; I was looking pretty closely to see if she > presented herself. No luck... > > Jim Article 23846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New World Carniolan Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:54:13 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8bp6sl$96i$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23846 In article <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net>, Matthew wrote: > DO NOT purchase your queens from sideline bee breeders. >You'll end up with haphazard queens - sometimes they arrive timely, in >great shape & other times you'll end up with questionable queens. Be >sure about whom you're buying from. Some of the best queens in the world are produced from "sideline" bee breeders. You'd be amazed at how little anyone really knows about bee breeding. Queen rearing however, does require knowledge and technique--and once one masters the skill, one can make excellent queens, either by the handfull or truck-load. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection against predators Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:33:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8bo60m$dni$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bjfhj$t6b$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 27 17:33:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23847 I guess we've been fortunate, none of the listed predators have been a problem. The raccoons are more interested in our fish, the skunks in just smelling up the place, and woodpeckers in dead trees full of termites. If your hives are the most appealing things to the pests they will go for them. So maybe the trick is to have something around that's more appealing. In article <8bjfhj$t6b$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Pamela Buckle" wrote: > Here in central England there are plenty of mice, but no skunks, bears, > raccoons or oppossums. However, my hives are considerably troubled by > woodpeckers (the European green woodpecker, Picus viridis) We protect hives > with wire netting or with sheets of plastic or tough cloth hung from under > the lid, but the birds have been known to go under and drill up through the > floors. They make a hole then eat the bees that come out to look. > Sometimes they enlarge the hole and go inside to chop up the frames - very > destructive. Some of my hives get holes I can put my hand through. Don't > American woodpeckers know about bees? > > Mike Geis wrote in message > news:XD3D4.4856$_c3.29059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com... > > I live on the Big Darby Creek (more river than creek) out in the country > > where there is an abundance of skunks (never seen one but have smelled a > > few), raccoons (visited my birdfeeders in early summer), and opossums > > (ditto), all three of which are cited in the Penn State BeeAware program > as > > problem animals....etc............. > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Geis > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New World Carniolan Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:23:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.211.240.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954181404 63.211.240.226 (Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:23:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:23:24 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23848 After two years using the NWC queens, these bees come with my highest recommendation - provided your environment is suited to their strengths. My apiary is in Castle Rock, CO which is a 'Zone-5' area with plenty of snow at the foothills of the Rocky Mountains. The best strength (for my use!) of the NWC (& Carniolans) is their ability to over-winter in surprisingly small numbers. They resemble a mass anywhere from a football size to basketball during winter and consume roughly half the honey stores of my Italian & feral varieties. As for temperament, they can be handled gloveless, maskless and smokeless nearly up until August. The other half of my apiary (50 hives or so) is made up from mostly feral hives from every race - and you KNOW the difference in August. Some of the hives will empty every bee off the frames if I attempt management without smoke. Even with smoke, they're not happy bees. As for honey production - these bees outperformed all but two of my other hives at roughly 30% more stores last October. Mite resistance SEEMS to be high since they are not falling prey to Varroa late in the season as some of my other hives did last summer. Buckfast bees seem to have similar characteristics of the NWC breed, however, I'm not impressed with their cost nor their supercedure queens - which I had one which no one could approach without full battle gear. NWC queens can be purchased relatively cheaply. Pat Heitkam (Vacaville, CA) is a good source for queens as he raises them full-time. DO NOT purchase your queens from sideline bee breeders. You'll end up with haphazard queens - sometimes they arrive timely, in great shape & other times you'll end up with questionable queens. Be sure about whom you're buying from. If you live in milder climates, perhaps other races of bees should be considered for maximum yield. Matthew Westall - Earthling Bees - Castle Rock, CO >Hi everyone, > >I have used and still do the "regular carniolan" so to speak. Is there >anyone who has used them and Susan Cobeys New World Carniolans? I'm >curious as to how the NWC fair with regards to supercedure, mite >resistance, temperament, swarms and honey production versus the regular >Carniolan. > >Kent Stienburg Article 23849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need beekeeper in s mississippi Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Mar 2000 18:28:01 GMT References: <8bqm4g$6np$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000328132801.01815.00002811@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23849 From: charlie5266@my-deja.com >i need to find a beekeeper around the mississippi gulf coast. any here? > is there any kind of directory of beekeepers? there's only one listed >in my yellow pages and i can't ever get in touch with him. my county >co-op agent could only give me one name, but i can't get in touch with >him either. Charlie, Check Who's Who for Mississippi at Bee Culture magazine. You'll have several contacts there, including the state bee inspector, and regional bee associations. http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/who.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: charlie5266@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: are my bees still there? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:57:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8bqo8u$97i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.114.251.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 28 16:57:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 148.114.251.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcharlie5266 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23850 last fall, i found that i had a beehive in the wall of my house. there were bees everywhere around it going in and out like crazy. i checked on it again yesterday and there are no bees to be seen. i banged on the wall hoping to scare some out, but none flew out. also, the beehive entrance was right in the corner of my roof. now the wood has rotted away and there's a hole there about the size of a brick. a squirrel is now using this hole as an entrace to my attic where he has decided to take up residence. since i didn't see any bees and since this squirrel has no fear of crawling right through the former entrance of the beehive, can i assume that the bees are gone? i live on the mississippi gulf coast. these bees weren't the big black and yellow bumblebees, but little black mean suckers. i happened to catch a show on bees on the discovery channel the other night. the bees they showed died during the winter (except for a queen or two and a few workers(?)). could there still be a few bees in there? it's been warm down here and the black and yellow bumblebees are out feasting on the azaleas, but i haven't seen any of these bees yet. did those bees die or are they still hibernating or did they migrate somewhere else? what can i do to make sure they don't come back other than sealing up their entrance? charlie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: are my bees still there? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:17:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8bqpf2$akr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bqo8u$97i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 28 17:17:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23851 >charlie5266@my-deja.com wrote: > what can i do to make > sure they don't come back other than sealing up their entrance? > charlie ************************************************** Howdy Charlie -- You can be sure that the bees died out. Why not just be sure the squirrel is outside and close up the opening. That should solve any and all problems. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!bignews.mediaways.net!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!news.netscum.dk!netscum.int!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Bidata....! Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:27:41 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8bqq0b$pq7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 954264395 26439 195.249.242.36 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23852 DORIS JONSSON skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:o37D4.645$w47.1373@nntpserver.swip.net... > Sorry to say i downloaded yuoer program and too mee it was a bit confusing > manely becaus im adjusted to the Swedish controlcard system but it was > intresting althrue. > Some adjustmants and it woode be a amasing tool. > Excuse my bad spelling. I know that there are differences among controlcard systems. And it will be impossible for me to cover all the world in my software, if I base it on all wishes. But I can go far in this matter, so what I can do is to ask you to send me by snail mail a copy of your national Hivenote card, and I will promisse to take a close look at it and see if it is possible to adopt it into my software.. But you must be aware of that this software are used by EDB interested Beekeepers for a lot of Years now, and the last years no addition or changes have been requested. But please dont hold back, email me please with , wishes and so on. I will take my time to look into what can be done. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 23853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news1.bewellnet.com!news.bewellnet.com!216-146-134-222.bwn.net From: "Michael Shealy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with analysis of dead bees & comb. Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:47:04 -0700 Organization: Bewell Net Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38e11221.0@news.bewellnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.54.96.248 X-Trace: news1.bewellnet.com 954273201 3595 209.54.96.248 (28 Mar 2000 19:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@bewellnet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Mar 2000 19:53:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-146-134-222.bwn.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23853 This last fall / winter we *lost* one of our hives for unknown reasons. There was *no* brood, and we didn't find a queen. Mostly no other symptoms, except an orange colored (what looked like) mold was tracked from one corner frame into the hive. Being less apparent the further away from it they got. Apparent tracking of orange stuff, about 6" from initial appearance. Don't know if this is significant or not. We've ordered a replacement colony and queen for delivery the third week of April (we live at 7,500' altitude) our first anticipated frost free week (? usually no flowers til then). Before we hive the new colony in the old hive, we need analysis of the old comb and bees to find out what went wrong, for obvious reasons. Here's the rub. Our local bee analysis folk, State Entomologists, are so busy that they *can't* do it. We sent samples to USDA SCL-CTSU, Bldg 5 Rm 137, 10300 Baltimore Blvd, Barc-West, Beltsville, MD 20705-2350 for evaluation, and the samples were lost. "Sorry, I know they came in but, I can't find them now", the good Dr. says. Anyone knowing an Entomology Lab who is capable of this type of analysis, please post the address, etc. I sure would appreciate it. We need to move fast at this point or we'll have to buy all new hive bodies, frames, etc. Thanks, Michael Shealy Article 23854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E10F68.BB497D3A@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring has Sprung! (Swarms!) References: <20000328142341.01941.00010846@ng-dc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:01:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: maryview-002.option.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:01:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23854 I have hives from "naturally bred queens" that consistently allow me to split many times and still produce. They will swarm if not managed properly. But they produce bees, queens and honey, in defiance of natural law. I was not able to feed early spring due to surgery recovery. I still had to split them 3 times. Even after all that, they tried to swarm Sunday. Settled on a fence post then moved to the side of the hive before I could react. I placed a nuc box under them and brushed some in. Nasanov glands in the air, they started the march in. Then I watched as some setup at the front of the emerging hive and started competing for attention. 20 minutes later they decided the best place to live was the colony they emerged from. Talk about easy ones. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Dave Green wrote: > > I stopped at the warehouse this afternoon and caught the end of a swarm > moving into a stack of supers. So I have one more hive than yesterday. Boy, I > love the easy ones! :o) > Article 23855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hived First Packages Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Mar 2000 17:51:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000328125135.24336.00001322@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23855 I succesfully started two hives yesterday with 3 lbs. packages. I have been studying and preparing for the last 10 months and I wanted to thank those of you on this forum that answered questions for me in the past months. Those answers, not readilly found in any of my books, sure made a difference- particularly since I hived the packages in the medium supers. Again thanks to the best board in all of usenet. Todd Palmetto, GA Article 23856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring has Sprung! (Swarms!) Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Mar 2000 20:40:57 GMT References: <20000328142341.01941.00010846@ng-dc1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000328154057.02512.00004924@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23856 Thanks for the post. Reminds me to finish that new swarm catching box I started making this winter. Cheers, John Article 23857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Mar 2000 18:05:22 GMT References: <8bp1k5$60o$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000328130522.02510.00005132@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23857 <> But are they resistant to Orchard Mason bee diseases? My honey bees haven't had a flu shot in years, and I think they've developed total immunity ;-). Good luck with all your bees, whether you keep them or just have them. On a more serious note, I wonder if keeping solitary bees in managed densities makes them more suseptible to whatever afflicts them in the state of nature? John Article 23858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring has Sprung! (Swarms!) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Mar 2000 19:23:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000328142341.01941.00010846@ng-dc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23858 Got my first swarm call yesterday. Before I could check it out, the homeowner called and said they'd gone. :o( I stopped at the warehouse this afternoon and caught the end of a swarm moving into a stack of supers. So I have one more hive than yesterday. Boy, I love the easy ones! :o) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!news.netscum.dk!netscum.int!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: Bidata....! Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:40:20 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8brfri$7g5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8bqq0b$pq7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip71.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 954286770 7685 195.249.242.71 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23859 I forgot to say that this offer , sending me information on what you need also goes for the rest of the beekeeper's interested in getting into this modern beekeeping world. I know that beekeeping is fun and should stay so, but why not use the computer to what it is designed for : Storing and handling information. My postal address, if you want to mail me information about what You need is : Jorn Johanesson Solsortevej 27, Assens Dk 9550 Mariager Denmark. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 23860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen's in Cages? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:49:23 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 48 Message-ID: <38E0C673.AA272AF3@riverace.com> References: <0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kQ61a5Wyv7/sZv6tOeF4Ly6bQxL5nosXQTYjfdKiamI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:49:25 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23860 Jim/Polly Sharp wrote: > > I ordered several queens and expected them to arrive > late this week. Surprise - they got here today, Monday, > and I can't get them installed until Thursday or possibly > Friday. > > I've read that you should get them in ASAP, but are there > guidelines to how long they can be kept in their shipping > cages. I did give them a mist of water and will continue > that daily until I can get them installed. Any other tips for > keeping them as healthy as possible? I've little experience in this, but if you don't do the queen banking idea from the previous reply, you could rub some 1:1 or 1:2 (sugar:water) syrup on the cage screen to give them some food until you get them in the hives. > Also, any tips for finding the old queen? I checked the > colonies (2) yesterday, and although not a thorough queen > hunting mission; I was looking pretty closely to see if she > presented herself. No luck... No luck is right :-) Most queens will run and hide from the light (though I have one particularly photogenic one that just loves to be seen ;-) Find the frame(s) with the most recent egg laying activity and concentrate there. There will probably be workers surrounding her also, so it may be hard to find her under the pile. Be careful not to drop the queen out of the box. If you have an extra box with a bottom, you can examine a frame, then move it to the extra box while looking at others to minimize the risk that the queen will jump frames and hide on one you just looked at. If you do all of the brood-containing frames and still haven't found her, start examining them again and move them back to the original box. If you're not used to looking for a queen, it may help to find a picture of one in a book and stare at it for a while before going out to your hive. That'll train your brain to know what you're looking for. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave2!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000325190202.04846.00000246@ng-fw1.aol.com> <20000325214708.02159.00002870@ng-ff1.aol.com> <38DEB7A8.684E028C@fuse.net> Subject: Re: drone brood Lines: 69 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:13:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.52.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954303199 12.72.52.156 (Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:13:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:13:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23861 Variations on this method have worked well for me in the past. I move the old colony only 15 feet away in the grass. This is still far enough away that laying workers can or will not crawl this far. At 150 feet, nurse bees that have no clue as to their hives location will have a hard time locating it, particularly if they are upwind. I also stand tall and hold the frame as high as I can when shaking. You want to disrupt and de-moralize them as much as you can. Success of this method is greatly increased if you use a queenright nuc in the old location instead of trying to introduce a caged queen. Also saves a trip if the hive is located remotely. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Judy and Dave" wrote in message news:38DEB7A8.684E028C@fuse.net... > And then, of course, there is the possibility of a laying worker, or workers. If > you just give them a frame of eggs and brood, they don't think they need a queen, > do they? > > You have to get rid of the laying workers (if you determine that you have more > drone brood than is appropriate for the time of year) and requeen. We have > successfully used the following approach, along with 2 others in our bee club. It > worked every time. (We got some horrid queens last year from our bee supplier!) > > You take all the frames from the hive to a spot at least 150 feet away from the > hive. Or take the hive itself, as long as you have another to replace it in its > same spot. Take each frame out of the hive at the 150' away spot and shake all the > bees off the frame. Do this to each frame in the hive. You will have a pretty > large pile of bees. Some will take off immediately and return to the original > location. That's why you need a box there for them. Be sure to have your bee suit > on. The bees are really irritated by this maneuver! > > As I have read, the laying workers have become enlarged from laying eggs (even > though they are drone eggs) and cannot fly far, if at all. The laying workers will > perish at the site. The rest of the bees will return to the hive location. You > should wait about 3 hours or so before you place the queen cage into the hive so > that the laying worker's pheromones can dissipate. You should watch the queen cage > to be sure the bees are accepting her and do all your normal queen installation > type things. > > Judy in Kentucky, USA > > > Article 23862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Queen's in Cages? Lines: 34 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:13:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.52.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954303195 12.72.52.156 (Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:13:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:13:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23862 Look for the green dot on her thorax ;-) -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jim/Polly Sharp" wrote in message news:0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net... > I ordered several queens and expected them to arrive > late this week. Surprise - they got here today, Monday, > and I can't get them installed until Thursday or possibly > Friday. > > I've read that you should get them in ASAP, but are there > guidelines to how long they can be kept in their shipping > cages. I did give them a mist of water and will continue > that daily until I can get them installed. Any other tips for > keeping them as healthy as possible? > > Also, any tips for finding the old queen? I checked the > colonies (2) yesterday, and although not a thorough queen > hunting mission; I was looking pretty closely to see if she > presented herself. No luck... > > Jim > > > Article 23863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Queen's in Cages? Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <954307773.925464@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-152.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:31:02 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 954307789 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:49 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:29:49 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23863 Hello Jim, When my new queen arrived, she came with instructions in case there was a delay in getting her installed. A few drops of water twice a day and a drop of honey once a day. Also, if the attendant bees have eaten away the candy to the outside. I'd make up some more candy to block it up again, to make sure she doesn't get released too soon. She can stay in her cage (according to the books) for up to 7-10 days. But I'd get her hived a.s.a.p. Just make sure when you put the cage between the frames that the exit hole is facing up. This way if any of the attendants die they won't block up the exit hole, they'll fall to the back. I had a delay in installing my queen, and I was glad I'd slanted the cage when putting between the frames, because 3 of her attendants had died, but she was able to get out. Hope this helps with the other responses. Cheers Liz (Auckland NZ) Jim/Polly Sharp wrote in message news:0437AB0801ADA26C.658C4D1C2A6B1DF2.AF10485EF050FBA2@lp.airnews.net... > I ordered several queens and expected them to arrive > late this week. Surprise - they got here today, Monday, > and I can't get them installed until Thursday or possibly > Friday. > > I've read that you should get them in ASAP, but are there > guidelines to how long they can be kept in their shipping > cages. I did give them a mist of water and will continue > that daily until I can get them installed. Any other tips for > keeping them as healthy as possible? > > Also, any tips for finding the old queen? I checked the > colonies (2) yesterday, and although not a thorough queen > hunting mission; I was looking pretty closely to see if she > presented herself. No luck... > > Jim > > > Article 23864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Syrup Question Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:20:51 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.d0.e0 X-Server-Date: 29 Mar 2000 08:23:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23864 Got a question for the experienced folks (I'm on my 2nd spring with 1 hive). I've been feeding them 1/1 sugar/water for the last 2 weeks (W. Oregon). They are bringing back plenty of pollen on warm 60 deg. days, but rainy 45 deg. days they stay in. So the question: They seem to consume a tremendous amount of this stuff. Only takes 2 days to drain the whole feeder (about 2 quarts of syrup set in the upper super). Is that normal? And do I have to keep it up until the dandelions/fruit trees bloom? Think I was very lucky, they seemed to end up the winter with little or no honey left when I checked back in mid-February. But thriving now. Mark N. Article 23865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:01:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38E0AD20.4A439864@fuse.net> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8bp1k5$60o$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23865 Craig Adam Hennessey wrote: > It's > kind of hands free bee keeping, just watching.. Wow. I didn't realize how accustomed I have grown to their little faces! This thread make me sad. I also enjoy watching our bees. We live right alongside of each other. They help us, we help them. I get grouchy when I am trying to mow the lawn and they are all over the clover and dandelions. They get grouchy when I am trying to mow the lawn and they are all over the clover and dandelions. We got into beekeeping because we heard about the wild bees being killed by something. We stayed in beekeeping because we learned what the 'somethng' was and that we could do something about it. It will be interesting if your neighbor decides to treat his bees and what the results/comparisons will be. Good luck to you and your ladies (It may be all they have) Judy in Kentucky, USA Article 23866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: charlie5266@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need beekeeper in s mississippi Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:20:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8bqm4g$6np$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.114.251.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 28 16:20:51 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 148.114.251.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcharlie5266 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23866 i need to find a beekeeper around the mississippi gulf coast. any here? is there any kind of directory of beekeepers? there's only one listed in my yellow pages and i can't ever get in touch with him. my county co-op agent could only give me one name, but i can't get in touch with him either. charlie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sideline bee breeders Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38e252f8.169072038@news.earthlink.net> References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> <8bp6sl$96i$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:02:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.211.241.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954313347 63.211.241.89 (Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:02:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:02:27 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23867 Adam, Since I count myself as a 'sideline' queen breeder and take steps to make the best queens I can produce, I would agree some of the best queens can be purchased by 'sideline' methods. However, if people started buying on demand and I had to keep a schedule to give them a truckload of properly mated queens WHEN they wanted them , I'm thinking questionable queens would be shipped; If at all, and probably not shipped in a timely manner. You can make queens by the truckload, but can you properly mate/feed/store/package/ship these queens to be sure every purchaser gets a good fresh queen? My point was that people whom do the queen rearing on a daily basis can(should?) be counted on for consistancy. My experience stems from a NWC breeder I purchased most of my bees and queens from. I should have known better when he didn't have my fifty packages of bees ready to ship despite two phonecalls of confirmation and asked if I could 'come back next week' depsite the 1200 mile journey. Later that summer I purchased queens from the same breeder on two occasions - the first getting sickly queens (damaged in shipment??) and the second was pathetic. Five queens each had mangled and chewed wings, some with small abdomens. This 'bee-breeder' is either a sideline breeder or has problems in production. I know in a pinch, he'll buy his queens from Pat Heitkam so perhaps my earlier good experience was from the work of Pat (?). Anyone can make a burrito, but can you ship out 10,000 by next week? Know your breeder. Ask for references. Matthew Westall - Earthling Bees - Castle Rock, CO (and if you want the best queens, take Adam's suggestion and learn how to breed them yourself) On 27 Mar 2000 21:54:13 -0500, adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net>, >Matthew wrote: > >> DO NOT purchase your queens from sideline bee breeders. >>You'll end up with haphazard queens - sometimes they arrive timely, in >>great shape & other times you'll end up with questionable queens. Be >>sure about whom you're buying from. > >Some of the best queens in the world are produced from "sideline" bee breeders. >You'd be amazed at how little anyone really knows about bee breeding. > >Queen rearing however, does require knowledge and technique--and once one >masters the skill, one can make excellent queens, either by the handfull >or truck-load. > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@radix.net >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Hive Chat rooms Message-ID: <954353495@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:11:35 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 954357486 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23868 Hello All beekeepers and webmasters I have a Fully Functional Chat server working for Beekeepers called "The Hive" , I would rather see my investment in the CGI programme not bee wasted. No Adverts, only when you leave Chat you end up at my index kentbee page. Please add a link to the address below: http://www.kentbee.com/cgi-bin/chatpro.cgi Use and Enjoy Regards Steve ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 23869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!grolier!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:44:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8bp1k5$60o$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954325354 nnrp-06:13864 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23869 In article <8bp1k5$60o$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>, Craig Adam Hennessey in the thread "dead hives/ what happened?" writes >Now in regards to evolution taking place at glacial speeds. This is >certainly true, it is a very gradual process, if you are perhaps a human >or a monkey, or a bee. I don't really know how fast bees evolve so I'll >make no claims there, (probably really really slow). This probably should be a new thread by now. The challenge nature has given apis mellifera is a tremendous one. Culling the strains that cannot survive leaves strains that can. If all beekeepers left their bees alone, we'd find out quickly if strains could survive varroa. One method we have hints of is swarming. Our bees seem to swarm much more than before varroa. I hypothesise that the swarm leaves most of the varroa behind and starts with a much lower level. It can therefore continue. If I am right, this approach makes the bees very vulnerable indeed. One failure in the chain removes that line. Here in West Cornwall, UK, the climate makes swarm survival unpredictable. Obviously over the years, swarms have survived, especially if they take over from a colony that died out. They would also have to have at least 2 other characteristics, hygienic behaviour and varroa leg-biting behaviour. There may be others, for example, colonies with thick drone cappings like cerana might have an edge. The result presumably would be catastrophic. If one in 100,000 survived, the population would take years to recover. Some numbers would imply extinction in most areas. Then perhaps natural movement would gradually extend the zones with mellifera. Biologists with suitable models would be able to make predictions. (lots of snips) But we have beekeepers who want to keep their bees. Hence medication. We live in a democratic world where freedom of thought and choice is valued highly. So we must resolve our differences democratically. Regrettably the two paradigms of management are not good bedfellows. I have lived with this in education, health and research for a long time. My daughter has had only one vaccination and one dose of mild antibiotic in her life as homeopathy is our first choice and *always* works. So we will have conflict over how best to treat our bees. Let's recognise the dilemma. I put democracy and freedoms going with it highest. So we must live with and resolve our conflicts. This takes time and care. What follows is the need to respect the choices of our neighbours in their attempt to resolve the same problem. Talk. Learn. I can live with neighbours who don't treat. I use varroa mesh floors and monitor carefully. I also lose occasional swarms which are equivalent to a beekeepers not treating. So I cannot take on a "holier than thou" attitude and keep my self-respect. I'd be found out anyway. I will now experiment with the newer treatments not using synthetic compounds. I will attempt to follow Malcolm Sanford's advice in http://www.ifas.ufl.e du/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm (navigate to Feb99's article on the inevitability of resistance and its implications). If I believed homeopathy would work against varroa I would try it. Meanwhile we'll all have to find treatments other than Apistan and Bayvarol. I will *not* be using organophosphates. I wait for the research on fungi with great anticipation. Go to http://www.iacr.bbsrc.a c.uk/res/depts/entmem/research/briangrp/kshaw/tkshaw.html (phew!) for the paper. -- James Kilty Article 23870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for hive bodies Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:04:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8bom04$6h7$0@63.68.71.234> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954325358 nnrp-06:13864 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23870 In article <8bom04$6h7$0@63.68.71.234>, Tim Arheit writes >Being a hobby wood worker (and rather new to beekeeping) I'm planning >on building my own hive bodies/supers, etc. And I'm wonder on the >choice of wood. I was told by a Brit returning from the US that you have (had?) access to fine quality birch ply from Russia cheaply which makes very good hive bodies. I make mine out of selected 12mm ply which withstands wet - not marine ply. You will have to work out an easy design for the top and bottom based on the choice of ply thickness. I use the long lug version of our frames and therefore profile the top and bottom cross pieces. -- James Kilty Article 23871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding and first super Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:50:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000327132618.08657.00002460@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954325356 nnrp-06:13864 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23871 In article <20000327132618.08657.00002460@ng-fx1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes ><upstairs if they need to.>> > >Hi James, >I've heard it recommended that if the brood area starts to plug up with honey, >increasing pressure for swarming, the beekeep can help unplug it by scratching >some of the honey cappings off, which will force the bees to relocate the honey >elsewhere. Have you ever tried this? The short answer is yes, but by removing the frame and putting it over the crown board under the roof replacing it with foundation. Sometimes I wreck the comb and put it all in a feeder without the barrier (glass). This helps me give the bees new foundation and gives me a harvest towards my candle-making. This is rather profitable. -- James Kilty Article 23872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What I have been Thinking about lately Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:54:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <954102128@zbee.com> <8bo5pu$gi7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954325357 nnrp-06:13864 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23872 In article <8bo5pu$gi7$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, Jorn Johanesson writes >I admit I have not tested the hanheld in the beeyard until now, it is still >to coold to do work there, but I will as soon as the weather is ready, I aim to take notes by hand and transfer them at home. One day, I might afford a hand held computer and do as you suggest. I find MS Excel fine for my work. A relational database would be better, but that's something I would have to learn. But it is such a discipline and I don't always keep up with my records. So, carry on with the good work and keep in touch. -- James Kilty Article 23873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: 29 Mar 2000 06:14:58 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8bp1k5$60o$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: Comment on "medication and evolution" thread Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23873 Post snipped. Here's the reference: jAuZ6PAICd44EwN2@kilty.demon.co.uk Question: Are domesticated animal breeds species? Placing selection pressures on a breeding population can produce new phenotypes. However, the key question in evolutionary biology is: When does speciation exactly take place? More confusing and conflicting information: define a "species". Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38E1EEC4.967B2A58@together.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 06:53:40 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sideline bee breeders References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> <8bp6sl$96i$1@saltmine.radix.net> <38e252f8.169072038@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------72A160BD4303DED23EAD30AC" NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-5-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 29 Mar 2000 07:15:28 -0500, dial-5-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 60 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-5-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23874 --------------72A160BD4303DED23EAD30AC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Truly! I have been discouraged in recent years by the quality of queens bought from "professional" queen breeders. I usually buy from 300-500 queens annually. Too many colonies requeened have to be requeened the following year. Well, last summer I decided to take the plunge. Boy am I glad I did! I raised more than 150 queens(now overwintering in four frame nucs). I never imagined how easy it was to raise good quality queens. I used strong colonies for cell starter/finishers. The colony was "off line" for only about 20 days, and was then back into honey production. Never again will I purchase "taylor made" queens that get caged and shipped under unknown and unfavorable conditions. Gotta take the kids to school, but if anyone wants, I'll describe my cell builders in detail later. Mike Matthew wrote: > Adam, > (and if you want the best queens, take Adam's suggestion and learn how > to breed them yourself) > > > > --------------72A160BD4303DED23EAD30AC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Truly! I have been discouraged in recent years by the quality of queens bought from "professional" queen breeders. I usually buy from 300-500 queens annually. Too many colonies requeened have to be requeened the following year. Well, last summer I decided to take the plunge. Boy am I glad I did! I raised more than 150 queens(now overwintering in four frame nucs). I never imagined how easy it was to raise good quality queens. I used strong colonies for cell starter/finishers. The colony was "off line" for only about 20 days, and was then back into honey production. Never again will I purchase "taylor made" queens that get caged and shipped under unknown and unfavorable conditions.
    Gotta take the kids to school, but if anyone wants, I'll describe my cell builders in detail later.  Mike

Matthew wrote:

Adam,
(and if you want the best queens, take Adam's suggestion and learn how
to breed them yourself)

 
 
 

  --------------72A160BD4303DED23EAD30AC-- Article 23875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Syrup Question Message-ID: References: <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 954344270 216.100.16.37 (Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:37:50 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:37:50 MST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:37:50 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23875 What design of a feeder R U using? I used an upside down plastic pail that I got from Bee Bob. It had holes poked in the plastic lid and that worked fine but then last month I noted that the feeder would empty in two days and it turned out there was a small crack in the bottom of the feeder which was letting the liquid leak out down into the hive. In article <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, mnelsen@mindspring.com says... > Got a question for the experienced folks (I'm on my 2nd spring with 1 hive). > > I've been feeding them 1/1 sugar/water for the last 2 weeks (W. Oregon). > They are bringing back plenty of pollen on warm 60 deg. days, but rainy 45 > deg. days they stay in. > So the question: > They seem to consume a tremendous amount of this stuff. Only takes 2 days > to drain the whole feeder (about 2 quarts of syrup set in the upper super). > Is that normal? And do I have to keep it up until the dandelions/fruit > trees bloom? > > Think I was very lucky, they seemed to end up the winter with little or no > honey left when I checked back in mid-February. But thriving now. > > Mark N. > > > Article 23876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did I mess it up? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Mar 2000 01:56:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23876 We had a feral hive in our back yard, which was fine with me but it bordered neighbors fence: small children.... Had vector control dismantal it; they gave me a small bit of comb in a baggie. I left it outside for several, maybe four, days--dead bees, comb and all. I tasted honey that oozed out of the opening. It was delicious. Will I die? Can I use the honey if I filter it? What should I do? Murderess in L.A. Article 23877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inland Northwest Sources?? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:52:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8bubvs$cd6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38DFB3EC.2D25144F@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 01:52:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23877 In article <38DFB3EC.2D25144F@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > i am looking for a place to purchase and or rent beekeeping stuff in the > inland northwest, specifially Lewiston ID, Clarkston WA, Moscow ID, etc. > > Thanks > Matthew > Moscow ID > > The closest place i know of is Tates Honey Farm in Spokane, WA. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did not mean to be crass Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Mar 2000 02:08:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000329210805.05976.00000952@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23878 about the lost hive I mentioned earlier. I feel so guilty I over-compensated by being flip. Sorry. Not meant to insult. Thank you for any help about what to do about the honey. Person in L.A. Article 23879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:37:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8buekt$fag$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 02:37:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23879 alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: Will I die? Can I use the honey if I filter it? What should I do? > Murderess in L.A. **************************************************** Howdy Ali -- The only concern is whether the insect eradicators used poison to kill the bees. If your interest is strong, contact the killers and inquire as to the method of killing the colony. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Mar 2000 16:04:53 GMT References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23880 <> Facinating question Adam. But before departing for uncharted territory, It's best to define what you already know. A species is a group of individuals sharing many characteristics and interbreedng freely. The breeding part is key: If an animal can no longer interbreed with others of its former kind, then a new species has developed. But let's go further into the world of honey bees. We are talking about Apis mellifera. Apis is the genus, mellifera is the species. Apis mellifera carnica, A. mellifera causcasica, A. mellifera liguistica, and A. mellifera scutellata are all different races of honey bees. The races have developed in geographic isolation over thousands of years with minimal, sporadic input from humans. I don't think the word "race" is sufficient to describe what you are talking about, and species is too far-reaching IMO, so I am going to appropriate a word from agriculture for our use here in bee culture: landraces. A landrace is a human cultural construct: a product of human intervention and selection. A type of agrarian technology. Managed alternative pollinators are a type of technology too. But it's a new technology, and as we've seen with technological advances in other fields, new technologies often do much more harm than good before we belatedly discover their consequences. It's best to proceed slowly, if at all, with new technologies. The nuclear power industry comes to mind. Anyway, my answer to your question about whether domesticated animal breeds are species is that if they can still interbreed with other honey bees, then what we are actually talking about are landraces. Species is overbroad, races are products of natural selection, landraces are products of human selection. A landrace is one that survives best in a specific geographic location. Landraces in agriculture developed over many hundreds of years. Bee breeders are moving much quicker than that. For example, in the U.S, we see breeders selling "hardy northern queens" that are said to overwinter better in the northern part of the country. Perhaps we should even begin to use variety names for our bees, like in botany: Apis mellifera 'hibernia', A. mellifera 'Scottish borderlands', A. mellifera 'Southern Appalachians', A. mellifera 'Death Valley', etc. cheers, John