Article 28681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Lawrence Freeman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Few bees question. Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:43:10 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A9DFD8E.DA0128AC@2530.net> Reply-To: lawrence.freeman@2530.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20010219230927.02938.00001829@ng-fy1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28681 Blue Taz37 wrote: > > Why are the bees are Black in Winter than in the Summer? Does this mean Black > tail bees live longer during the Winter than light Three band? Was some of it > are the same one which staying in the hive long in the dark place with out Sun > which might cause the tail black? > Last Fall there were alot of nice looking one and this coming Feb. there was > alots of ugly Black Tails Bees. ( Are mean too ) > > One fellow said he check his hive this week and one of it empty. The bees are > gone and there were alot of it worker die inside the comb about 5" circle head > first. But, still have plenty of honey and pollen. ( cold spell ? ) > Tim Head in the comb normally indicates starvation! -- Kind regards Lawrence Freeman ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lawrence Freeman - Senior Manager, Hosting & Application Services e-Net Software - http://www.enetgroup.co.uk Tel:- +44-1225-484449 Fax:- +44-1225-484944 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Article 28682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Beatles Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:06:28 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <97lohm$pnahc$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983459191 26978860 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28682 I have a delicate question that I would like to query all. I have recently placed an order for bees in the mid part of Alabama. Before I ordered them I asked if there were any problems with Hive Beatles and was told not yet. Well, I spoke with some folks who told me that if I ordered them that I might as well have the Bee inspector standing by as they didn't think I should do so. I guess at this point I was being made feel like if I bought them in I was going to be the ass end of a jackass. Well, to make a story longer, the person I purchased them from has already charged them to my VISA and I won't see the bees until April sometime. I particularly don't want to hear I told you so and be blamed for infesting the area with beetles. So the question is... what chances are there that I will get a package for of beetles?? If the they were shipped with Checkmite+ I would expect less chance of getting them however, what real effect will a strip have on a package during the short period they are packaged? -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 28683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:59:10 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 32 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <97mgne$3d3$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 983483950 3491 24.95.169.25 (1 Mar 2001 21:59:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:59:10 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28683 You're correct, in that there is too much depth to the boxes, as compared to the frames. The actual dimensions do vary, however, from lot to lot, and from mfr. to mfr. You could rip just over an eighth of an inch off the _bottom_ of the boxes on a table saw, if you want. I've often done this, when there was considerably more than 1/8" space below the frames. (Technically, the bee space should be mainly above the frames when they are in place.) Not sure why this discrepancy is perpetuated, but perhaps it has something to do with the wood in the frames expanding. In article <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com>, you say... > >I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note >that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving >1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate >that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, >and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the >frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on >top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution >which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- >and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they >are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines >with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an >unacceptable 1/2". > >So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height >for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not >enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without >violating beespace. Article 28684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new listing Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:57:06 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.34 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.34 Message-ID: <3a9eb79f_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 1 Mar 2001 15:57:03 -0500, 64.208.65.34 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.34 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28684 Greetings! Market Intelligence for the World's Agriculture Industry http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/marketreport.htm Regards, Herb/Norma Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beatles Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:01:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3a9e9ba8.439295885@news1.radix.net> References: <97lohm$pnahc$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28685 On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:06:28 -0500, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >I have a delicate question that I would like to query all. I have recently >placed an order for bees in the mid part of Alabama. Before I ordered them >I asked if there were any problems with Hive Beatles and was told not yet. >Well, I spoke with some folks who told me that if I ordered them that I >might as well have the Bee inspector standing by as they didn't think I >should do so. I guess at this point I was being made feel like if I bought >them in I was going to be the ass end of a jackass. Well, to make a story >longer, the person I purchased them from has already charged them to my VISA >and I won't see the bees until April sometime. > >I particularly don't want to hear I told you so and be blamed for infesting >the area with beetles. So the question is... what chances are there that I >will get a package for of beetles?? If the they were shipped with >Checkmite+ I would expect less chance of getting them however, what real >effect will a strip have on a package during the short period they are >packaged? > >-- >BeeFarmer >BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html This is just a followup question. If hive beetles are shipped in a package will they be in the cluster of bees or will they be scurrying around in the package among the dead bees? beekeep Article 28686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: Beeginner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Building Boxes Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:58:00 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.ec.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:46:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28686 I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving 1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an unacceptable 1/2". So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without violating beespace. Article 28687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:35:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3a9edc56.455853635@news1.radix.net> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28687 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:58:00 -0800, Beeginner wrote: >I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note >that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving >1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate >that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, >and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the >frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on >top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution >which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- >and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they >are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines >with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an >unacceptable 1/2". > >So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height >for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not >enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without >violating beespace. Because it is a lot easier to break burr comb than propolis. Shave an 1/8 inch off a super and leave it on a hive for awhile. beekeep Article 28688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Mar 2001 03:02:55 GMT References: <95ekgq$gqaub$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Message-ID: <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28688 >Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against >> anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings I can not speak for Bee Stings--at least not yet--Ive had two so far both of what I would term "normal" in that I was sore for about 4 hrs, then really sore for another 4, then ichy for the next day. The swelling was moderate on the arm--the finger sting was a tad worse in that the swelling which lasted a day made it so that my hand was difficult to close fully. However let us digress for a min into the area of seafood. I am deathly allergic to shrimp--so much so that the smell of it cooking will send me into shock. Now as a child I ate shrimp several times with no reaction, then with a mild reaction and finally with a serious reaction that actually resulted in hospitalization. Now I am NOT saying beestings work the same way or dont work that way. But I am saying that it may be that for some people, the "many sting" theory may cause the problem. I for one prefer NOT to get stung and will wear the appropriate clothing etc to minimize this. I realize that gloves for some are clumsy-but then again I live in gloves, so Im used to working with them on. TIM MORRIS Article 28689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Mar 2001 01:54:11 GMT References: <3A945D85.3F16944C@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What is the best Breed? Message-ID: <20010301205411.04332.00000086@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28689 >I would like to know what is the best breed of HoneyBee, for living in >central Florida. Dave, I too am new to beekeeping having gotten my first hive the day after Thanksgiving of 2000 and my second hive about 3 weeks later. What I can tell you so far about Breeds is this--ask 3 different beekeepers ANY question and you will get 5 different answers :O) Seriously though-get a good book and read about the differences in the various strains of bees, then choose the one that seems to best suit your own tastes. I have had the Italians suggested to me by many because they are "more gentle" and "less likely to swarm". We shall see. In any case--WELCOME to beekeeping. TIM MORRIS Article 28690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Mar 2001 13:12:03 GMT References: <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Message-ID: <20010302081203.13562.00000045@nso-fm.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28690 In article <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com>, morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) writes: > >>Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against >>> anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings > > This certainly is not backed by any medical research findings, and it most certainly didnt work for Karl von Frisch, one of the great bee scientists of this century. Bob Pursley Article 28691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:34:11 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28691 My view - from over 30 years of handling bee equipment around the bee lab - is that maintaining the bee space has almost become a lost art. Wet (green) lumber has something to do with it, but many hives are manufactured with strange dimensions inside. Differing rabbets, frames, etc. also may change the situation. Beeginner wrote: > I am building some deep (9 5/8") supers. However, I note > that the frames, including the bar, are 9 1/8", thus leaving > 1/2" (4/8") for vertical beespace. Now, my researches indicate > that if beespace is less than 1/4", the bees will propolize it, > and if more than 1/4", they will fill it with comb. Hanging the > frame at a midpoint in the box, so as to leave 1/4" beespace on > top of the frame and 1/4" below the frame seems to be a solution > which provides the required beespace at both top and bottom -- > and it is -- but only if the supers are not stacked. When they > are stacked the 1/4" space at the top of the bottom super combines > with the 1/4" space at the bottom of the top super to give an > unacceptable 1/2". > > So my stupid questions are: Why isn't 9 3/8" the proper height > for a super? Or, if we leave the super the same size, why not > enlarge the frame to 9 3/8"? Boxes could then be stacked without > violating beespace. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 28692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsone.net!newsone.net!not-for-mail From: paulp@nospam_ims.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nutrition Label Stickers Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 2 Mar 2001 21:14:06 GMT Organization: NewsOne.Net - Free Usenet News via the Web - http://newsone.net/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.netmar.com X-Trace: news.netmar.com 983567646 11140 205.139.138.14 (2 Mar 2001 21:14:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsone.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2001 21:14:06 GMT X-PNG: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-NewsOnePostHost: proxy.ims.com X-NewsOnePostAddr: 139.47.48.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28692 I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition information for honey, made up according to the U.S. standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities less than 1000. (100's would be great.) Thanks, Paul ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Message-ID: <983572624@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:46:14 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b0f200 REPLY: 240:44/0 5cb4d165 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575120 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28693 I first heard of thymol in an article on preserving sugar syrup from fermenting in the days when UK commercial beekeepers could buy bulk sugar on the world market. A small amount was added per 100 gallon bulk tank to prevent fermentation in the months before the syrup was used. Last year there was a new product on the market in the U.K. - a "non theraputic curative substance" whose name escapes me . It is a sort of wallpaper paste type jelly with thymol used as an 'alternative (soft chemical) therapy' for varroa and acarine. Does it work - I dont know ? They got round the medicines registration regulations through the "non-therapeutic curative substance" loop-hole. Some beekeepers are using a vegetable oil (margarine) thymol and icing sugar patty reicpe, also against varroa. I would love to see proper trial reports on both. Andrew T> Lines: 10 T> X-Admin: news@cs.com T> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5001 T> From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) T> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping T> Date: 23 Feb 2001 03:21:51 GMT T> References: T> <20010222195722.00597.00000125@nso-fy.aol.com> T> Organization: CompuServe T> (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Thymol T> and Mites T> Message-ID: T> <20010222222151.10184.00000256@ng-fg1.news.cs.com> T> Path: T> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news T> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!diablo.netcom.net T> .uk!netcom.net.uk!news.tele.dk!144.212.100.101!news T> feed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.ne T> ws.cs.com!not-for-mail T> Wow... And they flavor foods with this stuff. So is T> a danger of honey contamintaion with thymol?. The T> packaging says that it can be used a a syrup feed T> for curing chalkbrood. T> Robert Williamson T> Southeast Texas Honey Co. T> P.O. Box 176 T> Vidor, Tx. 77670 T> " A simple and independent mind does not toil at T> the bidding of any prince" --- Platinum T> Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5 --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA02A52.C03B23C0@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:18:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 983575112 64.244.8.120 (Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:18:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:18:32 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28694 Both Kelley and Dadant carry them in lots of 100 (others may carry them too, I just had their catalogs on hand). Walter T. Kelley Co., Inc. 1-800-233-2899 Dadant & Sons, Inc. 1-800-637-7468 Chris Drazba paulp@nospam_ims.com wrote: > I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone > direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition > information for honey, made up according to the U.S. > standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities > less than 1000. (100's would be great.) > > Thanks, > Paul > > ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- > http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups > NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Message-ID: <983572621@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:02:18 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5aef9b5 REPLY: 240:44/0 6095c876 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg A> From: "David Eyre" A> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping A> Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs A> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:09:50 -0500 A> Organization: Posted via Supernews, A> http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: A> A> References: A> A> X-Priority: 3 A> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal A> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express A> 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft A> MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: A> newsabuse@supernews.com A> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4988 A> Lines: 43 A> Path: A> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news A> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!diablo.netcom.net A> .uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr A> .edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit A> -04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not A> -for-mail X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575099 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28695 A> It's always a problem to change over to new frames, A> which one first? To place a new box of foundation A> on top without a care means it will become another A> honey super, not what you need! You'll need to put A> the new box on top, but get the bees up there A> really quickly and working the foundation. A> I would recommend you bring up old frames preferably sealed brood and A> interleave them with the new foundation, avoid two A> foundations together. Does this no split the brood nest and also risk chilled brood ? A> As the frames become drawn A> out and filled, then you can start shuffling them A> back into the formation you need. Always feed when A> adding foundation. A> A couple of points. You are likely to find an increase in your hive A> size, then you'll ultimately compress them as you A> pull the old box out, beware of swarming! You'll A> also have to keep the queen out of the old box, A> otherwise you'll never get all the brood emerged, A> as it is you'll find lots of stores down there. A> A better idea. Why not add a second deep box this year, when full A> extract, then you'll have a complete box of drawn A> frames for next year, and life will be a great deal A> easier. This bit is a great idea - the bees move up into a box of clean drawn comb much easier than into a box of foundation. A> Regards Dave....-- A> ******************************************** A> The Bee Works, A> 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, A> Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 A> 705 326 7171 A> http://www.beeworks.com A> *************************************** >> With three of my hives this year I want to replace >> all the brood combs and boxes. I believe I know how >> to do this but could do with any comments/guidance >> people could offer. >> >> I understand that I should put the new box with >> frames and new foundation, on top of the old box, >> without foundation and then feed rapidly to provide >> enough food for wax building. From what I have been >> told the bees should build up the foundation and the >> queen will then migrate into the top box. Once this >> happens I can remove the lower box, shake out all >> the bees into the new box and discrad the old >> frames. >> >> Does this sound correct? >> Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old >> box? My concern is that I would expect them to start >> storing honey in the new brood box, not start laying >> in it. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Message-ID: <983572620@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:48:10 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5aec4b4 REPLY: 240:44/0 d05d77b6 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 127 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575092 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28696 Regular transfer to clean comb (TTCC) is a great idea for hobbiest beekeepers. John Powell of Twickenham and Thames Valley Beekeepers and of Reigate Division - Surrey Beekeepers Association , , and now on the Education Board of the BBKA is a great advocate of this tecnique. At Kingston Division we used to have lots of Chalk brood and sac brood diseases until I started regular transfer to clean comb every spring. Now chalk brood is unheard of and sac brood is very rare. Nosema can be kept in check with Fumadil B antibiotic, but will re-infect as the brood nest expands into contamitated combs, so soiled combs are replaced or disinfected by fumigating with 80% acetic acid. I like to over-winter my colonies on a single deep box with 40lb of stores. this makes TTCC much easier in the following spring. - Adding a third box (of foundation) to a double brood colony in the spring is a lost cause as the bees stay where they are or use the new box for honey storage. A single brood box colony is desperate to expand (into the foundation box) in the spring and a good feed of sugar syrup gives them the 'honey flow' they need to draw out the foundation. When a colony has overwintered on two boxes I will reduce them to one box on a warm day in late Feb or early March before the brood has begun to expand again. Usually the cluster is all in the top box and I can simply remove the bottom box and move any stores combs upstairs beside the cluster without disturbing them. Timing is crucial. Then the rest is simple: Add a whole box of foundation on top as soon as the weather warms up in spring - usually March/early April; and feed with a contact (bucket) feeder. As soon as eggs and the queen is seen upstairs a queen excluder is used to keep her out of the old comb for three weeks when the whole bottom box of old comb is removed. Three weeks allows all the worker brood to emerge. The danger here is the colony could starve if there is not enough stores in the upper chamber - feed or add combs of stores if needed. Remember the QX will trap drones so don't leave it on longer then you have to. As I run my bees on two deep brood boxes for the early summer, I usually add a second box of foundation soon after there is brood in 7-8 frames of the first new box. Also, I try to have the first first or second super as a deep box of foundation. This gives me a whole box of clean drawn comb which I use instead of foundation the following spring. The only problem is the massive weight when full of honey. All the old comb is cut out and melted down in a solar was extractor. I intended to build my own but gave up and bought one from Stamfordham after eight years of unrealised good intentions. I hate cleaning old frames by hand so now boil them up with autometic washing powder or washing soda in an old "Burko boiler" - about 10 minutes per 11 frames! The clean wax from the solar extractor is traded in for new wired foundation and the surplus used for polish and candle making. This keeps the time involved and cost of all that new foundation to a minamum. Any yellow combs removed can be fumigated with 80% acetic acid, aired well and replaced as clean comb. I use Transfer to clean comb as a treatment for Nosema together with Fumidil-B in the feed. Fumidil on its own only gives temporary relief - a cure requires TTCC as well. All the best, Andrew McManus S> From: Steven Newport S> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping S> Subject: Changing Brood Combs S> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:44:57 +0000 S> Organization: Posted via Supernews, S> http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: S> S> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 S> MIME-Version: 1.0 S> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii S> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S> X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk S> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4986 S> Lines: 22 S> Path: S> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news S> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!diablo.netcom.net S> .uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-u S> k-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for- S> mail S> With three of my hives this year I want to replace S> all the brood combs and boxes. I believe I know how S> to do this but could do with any comments/guidance S> people could offer. S> I understand that I should put the new box with S> frames and new foundation, on top of the old box, S> without foundation and then feed rapidly to provide S> enough food for wax building. From what I have been S> told the bees should build up the foundation and S> the queen will then migrate into the top box. Once S> this happens I can remove the lower box, shake out S> all the bees into the new box and discrad the old S> frames. S> Does this sound correct? S> Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old S> box? My concern is that I would expect them to S> start storing honey in the new brood box, not start S> laying in it. S> Thanks for any help you can give. S> Steve Newport S> Sussex, England --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Message-ID: <983572623@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:06:32 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b0cb85 REPLY: 240:44/0 584e4628 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575112 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28697 Does anyone remember how bad AFB was in the U.K. before statutory destruction and restricted use of antibiotics was introduced ? AFB is now quite rare, though recent destruction of our 'County Beekeeping Instructor' program and restricted numbers of government 'Bees Officers' is not helping. All the best Andrew McManus C> From: Charlie Kroeger C> Newsgroups: C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping C> Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? C> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:24 -0600 C> Lines: 22 C> Message-ID: C> <2s799t0rsbfmutajtidfo36e1e5074ofrc@4ax.com> C> References: <982618178@zbee.com> C> Reply-To: C> ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com C> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.170 C> Mime-Version: 1.0 C> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C> X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982819584 24689084 C> 216.167.138.170 (16 [35320]) XRef: zbee.com C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4994 C> Path: C> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news C> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newsfeed.icl.net! C> colt.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni- C> berlin.de!216.167.138.170!not-for-mail C> Peter Edwards said: >>... and EFB is out of control! Proves the point. C> So..let's see you're saying that 'because' of C> restricted use of Terramycin that EFB is out of C> control? . Based on what you said, does 'it' mean C> you think that by NOT using Terramycin 'freely' as C> Americans are want to do, (even as a 'growth' C> promoter) EFB would not then be a problem? C> I'm under the impression that EFB although messy, C> is about the same as AFB without the spores. AFB C> has shown 'resistance' to Terramycin in America C> because of it's casual and unprofessional use. C> I would then suppose if that's what you meant, C> you're one of those dumbbells that think that C> 'government' should 'stay out of our lives' so that C> corporations can have a less 'regulated' approach C> to inviting everyone to use as much Terramycin as C> they want? I'm sure you didn't mean that; but, if C> you did, you've been misled. If I'm wrong about C> your cryptic post, then accept my regrets in C> advance. C> C.K. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any comments on Apistan? Message-ID: <983572625@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:21:32 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b103c0 REPLY: 240:44/0 0cdb06ab PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575128 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28698 I use the mesh bottom boards with a white drawer beneath purely to monitor the natural mortality of varroa mites to give an indication of the numbers infesting the colony and so when to treat - with apistan or bayvarrol etc. I don't think the mesh actually controls varroa itself - but I would love to hear otherwise. Andrew D> From: "David" D> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping D> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apistan? D> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:56:49 -0500 D> Organization: MindSpring Enterprises D> Lines: 18 D> Message-ID: <974pi2$p15$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> D> References: <3a9331f8.19205642@news.infoave.net> D> <970h8h$n0ckg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> D> <3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net> Reply-To: "David" D> D> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.16 D> X-Server-Date: 23 Feb 2001 04:39:30 GMT D> X-Priority: 3 D> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal D> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express D> 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft D> MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 XRef: zbee.com D> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5002 D> Path: D> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news D> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!news-out.nuthinbu D> tnews.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.tex D> tport.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!loo D> k.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.ne D> t!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-fo D> r-mail D> Do the mesh bottom boards really help to control D> Varroa mites? David A. D> michael palmer wrote in D> message news:3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net... >> And I bet in South Carolina they are! >> >> BeeFarmer wrote: >> >> > Apistan does work... for Varroa! Unless of course >> > your mites are D> resistant >> > to it! >> > >> >> >> --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Message-ID: <983572622@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:56:58 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b5b0a7a1 REPLY: 240:44/0 584e4628 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 118 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983575106 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28699 There was a great article about the control of E.F.B. written by P.A.M. a few years ago in Beecraft magazine - does anyone have a copy of it on line, or know which month it was published so I can dig it out again ? As I understand it EFB is difficult to diagnose with certainty in the field and all visable signs can dissapear within an infected colony as the bees clear away the dead larvae quickly for most of the year. Sometimes it is only visable in late April when the brood-nest is large and the nurse bees numbers are small and they are overstretched. - Less food per larva mean more die and are not cleared away so quickly. This is a hide-and-seek disease. EFB bacteria (Melissococcus pluton) live in the larval gut, eating the food meant for the larva. So the larva is malnourished or starves to death. When larvae are well fed they rarely die, but pass on the infection by defacating in the cell just before pupating. Malnourished larvae make poor nurse bees and short lived foragers, so EFB has a slow cumulative effect upon the whole colony. Symptoms are: larvae: contorted (gut ache) unusual positions and off colour - not pearly white is it true the gut may become visable as a white thread (if B.alvei is present)? dead brood in the larval stage no 'roping' with the matchstick test (AFB) colony: poor spring build up - failure to thrive but this could be nosema or many other reasons If anyone can add to this list please do. EFB has no resting spore like AFB so must survive only as active infection in the guts of living larvae (who defacate in the cell) and nurse bees (who transmit bacteria to more larvae). If EFB kills a larva before it defacates the infective cycle is broken when the larva is cleaned out of the colony. Thus if most infected larvae die (in April) then most of the infection may be removed from the hive and the disease may appear to dissapear from the colony until the infection level builds up again. EFB is a stress related disease - more prevalent and more visable when the colony is under stress. EFB is further complicated because of secondary infection by Bacillus alvei (which is sometimes considered to be part of the disease) and now with the stress of varroa on the colony EFB like symptoms and EFB has become more visable. Diagnosis is not easy Sucessful treatment is difficult re-infection is a major problem. The changing dynamics of the disease within the colony population is fascinating. I think that sucessful treatment must include all colonies in the apiary (and nighbours). The MAFF statutory treatment regime has weaknesses. The P.A.M article in Beecraft was a good starting point. I might detail our experiences and treatment of the disease in our club apiary in another posting but this one is getting a bit long already. I would love to hear other peoples thoughts and experiences with this major problem disease Please do fill in the gaps and correct me where you think I am wrong. All the best Andrew McManus C> From: Charlie Kroeger C> Newsgroups: C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping C> Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? C> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:24 -0600 C> Lines: 22 C> Message-ID: C> <2s799t0rsbfmutajtidfo36e1e5074ofrc@4ax.com> C> References: <982618178@zbee.com> C> Reply-To: C> ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com C> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.170 C> Mime-Version: 1.0 C> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C> X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982819584 24689084 C> 216.167.138.170 (16 [35320]) XRef: zbee.com C> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4994 C> Path: C> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news C> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newsfeed.icl.net! C> colt.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni- C> berlin.de!216.167.138.170!not-for-mail C> Peter Edwards said: >>... and EFB is out of control! Proves the point. C> So..let's see you're saying that 'because' of C> restricted use of Terramycin that EFB is out of C> control? . Based on what you said, does 'it' mean C> you think that by NOT using Terramycin 'freely' as C> Americans are want to do, (even as a 'growth' C> promoter) EFB would not then be a problem? C> I'm under the impression that EFB although messy, C> is about the same as AFB without the spores. AFB C> has shown 'resistance' to Terramycin in America C> because of it's casual and unprofessional use. C> I would then suppose if that's what you meant, C> you're one of those dumbbells that think that C> 'government' should 'stay out of our lives' so that C> corporations can have a less 'regulated' approach C> to inviting everyone to use as much Terramycin as C> they want? I'm sure you didn't mean that; but, if C> you did, you've been misled. If I'm wrong about C> your cryptic post, then accept my regrets in C> advance. C> C.K. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: 2 Mar 2001 14:53:50 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 48 Message-ID: <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-696.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28700 In article <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John says... > >My view - from over 30 years of handling bee equipment around the bee >lab - is that maintaining the bee space has almost become a lost art. >Wet (green) lumber has something to do with it, but many hives are >manufactured with strange dimensions inside. Differing rabbets, frames, >etc. also may change the situation. No kidding... check out the March 2001 issue of Bee Culture for their massive chart of what results from mixing different vendors' frames with different vendors' supers, and then stacking the various permutations on top of each other. They even address inner covers and queen excluders. The bad news is that I see much, much more "Red" (meaning that the space will be too large, and will result in burr comb) and "Brown" (meaning not enough space) than I do "Green" (good), "Gold" (smallish, but ok), "Yellow" (largish but ok) The really sad part is that some woodenware is not even "compatible" when stacked upon more of the same brand, same size woodenware! Sounds like there is a need for an actual written standard for "bee space", but perhaps I am expecting too much from the woodenware vendors, who may have significant investments in fixed tooling. We have a few table saws, and crank out our own supers, so it would certainly not be my place to complain about products I have never bought. jim Article 28701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Mar 2001 00:11:59 GMT References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers Message-ID: <20010302191159.10842.00000225@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28701 >Can someone >direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition >information for honey, made up according to the U.S. >standards brushy mtn used to carry them, 1-800- beeswax Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 28702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 983580063 12.73.40.145 (Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:41:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28702 Unfortunately, you'll end up buying a different label for each different size container. Seems the Fed thinks we need to know how many servings are in a container so that kind of buggers up the idea of a "one-size-fits-all" label. Just another example of the dumbing down of America if you ask me. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com... > > I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone > direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition > information for honey, made up according to the U.S. > standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities > less than 1000. (100's would be great.) > > Thanks, > Paul > > > > > ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb ----- > http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups > NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: n4zo@amsat.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlling tracheal mites Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:21:05 GMT Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3aa0462f.11292287@news.infoave.net> References: <3A9B280D.231DCE1E@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-39.r8.scccrk.infoave.net X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 983582448 29873 204.116.58.169 (3 Mar 2001 01:20:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:20:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28703 Is a suitable receipe for a grese patty something like half Criso and half sugar? Where is the best place to place it for feeding? After reading about drugs like Apistan, this seems the most prudent approach for tracheal mites. DMMcNeal n4zo@amsat.org Article 28704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <95ekgq$gqaub$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <20010301220255.04229.00000119@ng-mg1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:55:34 -0800 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-116.reachone.com Message-ID: <3aa04e40@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 2 Mar 2001 17:52:00 -0800, tc1-116.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.uswest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-116.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28704 For what it's worth, here's my experience. I'm a 3rd year novice with 2 hives. 1st year, I was stung once on my hand. The stung area swelled to the size of a quarter and was gone in about 2-3 days. Next year, stung twice on the same hand. It swelled to about twice the size of the other hand & stayed that way for a week. I wear gloves now. Article 28705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Standards for Organic Honey Date: 3 Mar 2001 06:24:29 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28705 Thanks for this update. A producer going for certification would most certainly have to use foundation that was "certified" as chemical free. I'd really be curious to see residue test results from random foundation samples taken throughout the USA. Organic certification is not only a marketing tool, but a plunge into a commitment with the ecology framing one's production system. Beekeeping and aspects of honey bee husbandry, without a partnership with one's ecological system, is a difficult agricultural enterprise. Where are the beekeepers lobbying for Organic standards located in the USA? Their location would be interesting to know. Thanks again, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nutrition Label Stickers Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:36:21 -0600 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3AA02065.E55AC49C@okstate.edu> References: <97p2eu$as4$1@news.netmar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76ed.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28706 paulp@nospam_ims.com wrote: > I'd like to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Can someone > direct me to a supplier of stickers with the nutrition > information for honey, made up according to the U.S. > standards? I'd like it if I can purchase in quantities > less than 1000. (100's would be great.) > > Thanks, > Paul Try BetterBee. Their just one of many that offer this. 800-632-3379. Cost is $3.00 for a roll of 100. > > > ----- Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web ----- > http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups > NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts > made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net Article 28707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:07:20 -0700 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <97qqac$qje5s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <983572620@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983624845 27900092 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28707 > At Kingston Division we used to have lots of Chalk brood and sac brood diseases > until I started regular transfer to clean comb every spring. Now chalk brood is > unheard of and sac brood is very rare. Nosema can be kept in check with > Fumadil B antibiotic, but will re-infect as the brood nest expands into > contaminated combs, so soiled combs are replaced or disinfected by fumigating > with 80% acetic acid. Many of these diseases are a sign of poor stock and can be bred out quite quickly or eliminated by changing queen suppliers. Comb replacement studies we did here last spring and summer (unpublished as of yet) using forty hives and several methods showed that the improvement made by total comb replacement was lost as the season went on. Also, significantly, the honey yield in foundation colonies was 1/3 of the crop in those on old comb, even though the comb replacement was limited to the brood chamber and drawn supers were given. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 28708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.imp.ch!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:24:19 -0700 Lines: 72 Message-ID: <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983625863 27595824 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28708 I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, but also things like 'hygienic' queens. Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of administering and policing the standards. If there were a standard, I am assuming that consumer pressure would encourage producer conformance. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- Yesterday I parked my car in a tow-away zone...when I came back the entire area was missing. -- Steven Wright "James Fischer" wrote in message news:97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com... > In article <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John says... > > > >My view - from over 30 years of handling bee equipment around the bee > >lab - is that maintaining the bee space has almost become a lost art. > >Wet (green) lumber has something to do with it, but many hives are > >manufactured with strange dimensions inside. Differing rabbets, frames, > >etc. also may change the situation. > > No kidding... check out the March 2001 issue > of Bee Culture for their massive chart of what > results from mixing different vendors' frames > with different vendors' supers, and then > stacking the various permutations on top of > each other. > > They even address inner covers and queen > excluders. > > The bad news is that I see much, much more > > "Red" (meaning that the space > will be too large, and > will result in burr comb) > and > > "Brown" (meaning not enough space) > > than I do > > "Green" (good), > "Gold" (smallish, but ok), > "Yellow" (largish but ok) > > The really sad part is that some woodenware is > not even "compatible" when stacked upon more > of the same brand, same size woodenware! > > Sounds like there is a need for an actual written > standard for "bee space", but perhaps I am expecting > too much from the woodenware vendors, who may have > significant investments in fixed tooling. > > We have a few table saws, and crank out our own > supers, so it would certainly not be my place > to complain about products I have never bought. > > jim > Article 28709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:30:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.52 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 983626238 205.232.94.52 (Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:30:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:30:38 EST Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28709 Greetings all - We've got a mill back in the woods, and my husband will be milling wood again this spring for his garage. If I can get him to agree, what kind of wood would be best suited for building my own hive bodies and supers? We've got hemlock, beech, maple (although that's used for the sugaring), pine, and probably a lot more. The wood he'll mill the most is probably the hemlock, and he says that's a very hard wood. How suitable would that bee for building hives? The pine would probably be best, from what he says. Any thoughts on the woods I mentioned, and any others that might work? Jennifer Article 28710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: 3 Mar 2001 11:18:45 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 32 Message-ID: <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-318.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28710 Jennifer said: >...what kind of wood would be best suited for building >my own hive bodies and supers? We've got hemlock, beech, >maple (although that's used for the sugaring), pine, and >probably a lot more. The wood he'll mill the most is >probably the hemlock, and he says that's a very hard wood. > >How suitable would that bee for building hives? The pine would >probably be best, from what he says. Any thoughts on the woods >I mentioned, and any others that might work? The bees won't mind, no matter which wood you use. Your table saw (unless equipped with carbide blades) certainly WILL mind harder woods. (I love the carbide- tipped adjustable dado blade sold by Sears that "wobbles", as it cuts through oak like it was butter.) Most of the woodenware one can buy is pine, and I have yet to hear anyone criticize pine as a "poor choice". A good paint job seems to be more important than the type of wood used. Rossman makes their woodenware from Cypress see http://www.gabees.com/cypress.htm Here's one option that starts to seem silly - MAHOGANY!!! see http://www.bee-commerce.com/gifts/estatehive.htm of course, at $1,500 each, one should expect a solid gold entrance reducer! Article 28711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: 3 Mar 2001 10:53:01 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 54 Message-ID: <97reid01ndg@drn.newsguy.com> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-809.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28711 Allen Dick said: >I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, >continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, >but also things like 'hygienic' queens. Yeah, I know a "hygenic queen"... he will come and clean your house every week at reasonable prices! :) The concept of a "standard" implies that some number of people come to agreement on a consensus view, and that compromises are made to achive the consensus. I have yet to see a consensus develop among any number of beekeepers on any issue. In fact, discussion most often results in additional divergent views being added to the mix! :) >Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like >Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish >a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of >>administering and policing the standards. The same issue has existed for years in technology markets. In this case, the key word is "interoperability". Of course, there is some debate over the optimal minimum and maximum gap that can be called "bee space", so there must first be a consensus on the core issue of "standard bee space". >If there were a standard, I am assuming that consumer pressure >would encourage producer conformance. At least the first step has been taken - names have been named, and brands of woodenware that are not even "interoperable" with more of the same brand have been exposed to light and air. This was a brave thing for Bee Culture to do, given that some number of advertisers have been found to be lacking. I wish I could agree on that "consumer pressure" is a powerful force, but "consumer pressure" has not forced Microsoft to comply with well-known standards, and computer products are both sold to more people, and are much more expensive than woodenware. It is easy to write up a document that says "respect bee space", but it is hard (and expensive) to re-tool one's entire set of jigs and implement strict quality-control over tolerances when working with wood. I'd hope that the woodenware vendors would negotiate among themselves and come to their own consensus, but I'm not going to hold my breath. What beekeepers owe the vendors is a clear consensus on what "bee space" should be, with minmum and maximum tolerances. Article 28712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preserving Hive Bodies Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:13:00 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-c1fpsEclokwK7qd9NVpSSILH5vNuAVXd6uIw0I60l2siPfSy//Qax0wlX9TPj1CFbJygeeJaEVBEd3x!Imj6hiJAg1ZvEQLJmHDzKoe/dw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:12:55 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28712 Hello, I've heard there are a couple of good wood preservatives to use on hive bodies and possibly other parts; Copper Napthenate and Copper Quinolate. I have some 9% Copper Napthenate. My questions are: 1. Can I use Copper Napthenate on the inside as well as outside? 2. What percent Copper Napthenate should I use? 3. What is the best way(s) to apply it? 4. Can I paint over it? Thanks Mark -- Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else have your way. Article 28713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bee Standards Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:35:21 -0700 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <97tg9v$mgboo$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <97reid01ndg@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983712897 23605016 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28713 > >Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like > >Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish > >a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of > >>administering and policing the standards. > > >I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, > >continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, > >but also things like 'hygienic' queens. > > Yeah, I know a "hygenic queen"... he will come and clean > your house every week at reasonable prices! :) Hygienic behaviour will become much more important in the next few years as fewer and fewer chemicals and drugs will be available and effective against our multitude of bee health problems. Bee breeding has the potential to reduce these major threats to minor status. If bee breeding is to replace drugs, then it must be quality controlled and certified, just as drugs and chemicals are now. The problem is that bee breeeding costs money and effort and the product of that that money and effort must be able to be verified and rewarded. It happens that 'hygienic' is much cheaper and easier to achieve in advertising than in the beehive. Although many, if not most bee breeders, are honest, educated, and try to give good value, queen raisers have no strong incentive to conform hygienic or SMR standards in bees they label 'hygienic' or 'SMR' unless they are tested peridically by an independant organisation -- and potentially subject to sanctions or public embarrassment. As I have pointed out publicly, we spend well over $10 per year per hive treating and inspecting to suppress AFB, EFB, mites, etc. Some things like chalkbrood and sacbrood and viruses, we cannot treat, yet they have a hand in our pocket. That means that I could very happily spend =at least= $10 more per queen for bees that are immune to these scourges. BUT I wouldn't do that, and neither would any astute commercial beekeeper -- pay double the price -- unless I had strong evidence that the queens were produced under strict quality control and testing. We need assurance of consistency if we are to depend entirely on these characteristics. Any variation and subsequent failure could be very costly. Without a high level of conformance to standards failure rates could be high resulting in loss of bees, loss of crop, extra work, remedial chemical or radiation treatment, and even destruction of hive parts. Without independant testing, I could not reasonably count on these traits being there consisently enough to rely on them and would not pay the premium. We see regulation and certification in many analagous areas. Only certain varieties of wheat may be grown in Western Canada. Commercial seed growers must meet standards and submit to testing and certification. We are no different. If we want to ensure that all areas are filled with bees that are relatively unaffected by the mentioned diseases and pests, we must have a way of proving conformance on the queen market. For those beekeepers who oppose any form of regulation, need I mention that the drugs we use are produced to strict standards under inspection and quality control testing? Why not their potential replacements? Independent testing and certification marks keep everyone honest. Independent testing ensures that those who do a good job of breeding consistent queens with the advertised traits get rewarded. Independent testing discourages phonies. In short, without independant testing and an official 'seal of approval' to certify and reward high performance queens, we will never get off the chemical treadmill. That is because without convincing independant testing 1.) no one will have faith in the product and 3.) no one will make the strong effort necessary to meet the high level of consistency and performance necessary to wean the industry from cheap, effective, and, yes, standardised chemicals. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- I went to the hardware store and bought some used paint. It was in the shape of a house. I also bought some batteries, but they weren't included. So I had to buy them again. -- Steven Wright Article 28714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Standards for Organic Honey Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:10:54 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28714 Adam Finkelstein <> wrote in message news:97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net... > A producer going for certification would most certainly have to use > foundation that was "certified" as chemical free. I'd really be curious to > see residue test results from random foundation samples taken throughout > the USA. a swiss study of acaricide residues in honey, wax and propolis can be found at http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/pdf/BeeProducts/Acaricides_e.pdf and is quite revealing, although not exactly what you might predict in usa probably due to "api/cultural" differences... > Organic certification is not only a marketing tool, but a plunge into a > commitment with the ecology framing one's production system. Beekeeping > and aspects of honey bee husbandry, without a partnership with one's ecological > system, is a difficult agricultural enterprise. m.winston's recent (late2000?) column in "bee culture" on organic production (online but not archived at) http://www.airoot.com/beeculture basically agrees with your viewpoint and discusses it in a global/local context... btw, how did your queen trials go last year and do you plan to repeat them this year? Article 28715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail From: lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT Message-ID: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.198.60.163 X-Trace: 983770517 news1.twtelecom.net 65279 216.198.60.163 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28715 Hello Honey Bee Mavens! My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter certain pain conditions. Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? Metalaya Article 28716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:34:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28716 On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! > >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter >certain pain conditions. > >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? > >Metalaya Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. beekeep Article 28717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA2889D.116C69@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: frames Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:25:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 983730318 64.244.8.120 (Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:25:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:25:18 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28717 Do brood frames need horizontal wires? I am using wired brood foundation. If so, should I use 2 or 4 wires? Chris D. Article 28718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Message-ID: <3aa3ad26.279824359@west.usenetserver.com> References: <983572620@zbee.com> <97qqac$qje5s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 40 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:14:16 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:15:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28718 I think this may be "too much of a good thing". My method of disease control is replacing 2 frames per box each year and this is sufficient. Totally replacing the entire comb with foundation is expensive especially when you remember how much honey is lost pulling out wax IMHO Dave On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:07:20 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> At Kingston Division we used to have lots of Chalk brood and sac brood >diseases >> until I started regular transfer to clean comb every spring. Now chalk >brood is >> unheard of and sac brood is very rare. Nosema can be kept in check with >> Fumadil B antibiotic, but will re-infect as the brood nest expands into >> contaminated combs, so soiled combs are replaced or disinfected by >fumigating >> with 80% acetic acid. > >Many of these diseases are a sign of poor stock and can be bred out quite >quickly or eliminated by changing queen suppliers. > >Comb replacement studies we did here last spring and summer (unpublished as >of yet) using forty hives and several methods showed that the improvement >made by total comb replacement was lost as the season went on. > >Also, significantly, the honey yield in foundation colonies was 1/3 of the >crop in those on old comb, even though the comb replacement was limited to >the brood chamber and drawn supers were given. >-- >allen > >http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > Article 28719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:19:30 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.126 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.126 Message-ID: <3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 5 Mar 2001 16:19:15 -0500, 64.208.64.126 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.126 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28719 National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/organstan.htm -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:14:11 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.192.147 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 983834155 212.137.192.147 (Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:15:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:15:55 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28720 My understanding is that the latest research suggests that it is a little more complex! It suggests that stings may alleviate arthritis away from the site of the sting, but cause it where the person is stung. I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: > > >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! > > > >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the > >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive > >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings > >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same > >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the > >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, > >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter > >certain pain conditions. > > > >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? > > > >Metalaya > > Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great > for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. > > beekeep > Article 28721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:16:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28721 could you please cite the source for your article, unless it's your own release? Midnitebee <> wrote in message news:3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com... > National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA > > http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/organstan.htm > Article 28722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:32:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3aa42120.801103311@news1.radix.net> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28722 Most of my customers sting for MS. But we do get a lot of other feedback as well. Many have reported back that the arthritus was completely gone. The MS takes a lot longer. Another side effect is that women quite often become pregnant! They have reported that they had always been unable to conceive, so they didn't bother using any preventitives, started the bvt and then became pregnant. beekeep On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:14:11 -0000, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >My understanding is that the latest research suggests that it is a little >more complex! > >It suggests that stings may alleviate arthritis away from the site of the >sting, but cause it where the person is stung. > >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net... >> On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: >> >> >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! >> > >> >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the >> >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive >> >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings >> >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same >> >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the >> >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, >> >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter >> >certain pain conditions. >> > >> >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? >> > >> >Metalaya >> >> Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great >> for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. >> >> beekeep >> > > Article 28723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 19:13:31 -0600 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaOVkzVLW8Iukna+7iVl9kADewPJnEzgGg7CduoFceIUSRDztxk8VvW X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2001 01:14:41 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28723 > From: "Teri Bachus" > Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:16:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA > > could you please cite the source for your article, unless it's your own > release? > > Midnitebee <> wrote in message news:3aa402d3_1@news.cybertours.com... >> National Organic Standards finally announced by USDA >> >> http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/organstan.htm Teri - Note from the above web page: "It details the methods, practices and substances that can be used in producing and handling organic crops and livestock, as well as processed products." I don't know his source but this ruling does not pertain to beekeeping or honey. This will be a separate ruling later this year at the earliest. Not sure why it was announced here in a beekeeping forum. Regards, Barry Article 28724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Message-ID: <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28724 I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually die(the bees). Any suggestions? Dennis Haisten Article 28725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28725 On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >die(the bees). Any suggestions? >Dennis Haisten A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey you are going to have a real problem on your hands. beekeep Article 28726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.twtelecom.net!newsfeed.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail From: lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:29:21 GMT Message-ID: <3aa458fa.77940036@news.stic.net> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3aa42120.801103311@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.198.62.209 X-Trace: 983849019 news1.twtelecom.net 65278 216.198.62.209 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28726 Dear Beekeep, It appears that you encounter people using bee sting "therapy" sort of often...Can you list a few more ailments or disfunctions for which people get stung? Metalaya On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:32:27 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >Most of my customers sting for MS. But we do get a lot of other >feedback as well. Many have reported back that the arthritus was >completely gone. The MS takes a lot longer. Another side effect is >that women quite often become pregnant! They have reported that they >had always been unable to conceive, so they didn't bother using any >preventitives, started the bvt and then became pregnant. > >beekeep > >On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:14:11 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >>My understanding is that the latest research suggests that it is a little >>more complex! >> >>It suggests that stings may alleviate arthritis away from the site of the >>sting, but cause it where the person is stung. >> >>I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this >>newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. >> >>"beekeep" wrote in message >>news:3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net... >>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:44:05 GMT, lrpotts@stic.net (Metalaya) wrote: >>> >>> >Hello Honey Bee Mavens! >>> > >>> >My friends father kept bees and related the story that when the >>> >arthritis in his hand would act up he would stick his hand into a hive >>> >and agitate it around to get a few stings. He claimed that the stings >>> >would ease the pain of his arthritis. I guess this is much the same >>> >technique as the counter stimulation method of moxibustion, or the >>> >burning of moxa. Ancient Buddhist medicine utilizes an herb, moxa, >>> >which is burned then placed against the skin while hot to counter >>> >certain pain conditions. >>> > >>> >Question...Has anyone heard of any bee sting remedies similar to this? >>> > >>> >Metalaya >>> >>> Bee stings cause you body to produce cortizones. Yes they work great >>> for arthritus, and many other autoamune diseases. >>> >>> beekeep >>> >> >> > Article 28727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:56:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3aa4d049.845928440@news1.radix.net> References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28727 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000, Kidney John wrote: >On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > >>On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >> >>>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>>Dennis Haisten >> >>A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >>they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >>you are going to have a real problem on your hands. >> >>beekeep > >If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a >bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the >foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will >perish. >-- >kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm If the chimney is that bad chances are they will find a way around the the cone. beekeep Article 28728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:24:17 +0000 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <65o9ats0h97sdk4gvr95bbfv9p3gq6bu3b@4ax.com> References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> <3aa4d049.845928440@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 44 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28728 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:56:45 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000, Kidney John > wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >> >>>On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >>> >>>>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>>>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>>>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>>>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>>>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>>>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>>>Dennis Haisten >>> >>>A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >>>they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >>>you are going to have a real problem on your hands. >>> >>>beekeep >> >>If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a >>bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the >>foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will >>perish. >>-- >>kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >>TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm > >If the chimney is that bad chances are they will find a way around the >the cone. > >beekeep True. Extra entrances can be closed, though (assuming you can find them all, or reach them). I'm probably clutching at straws here, but that's because I hate the idea of killing the bees, but sometimes it's the only answer. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm Article 28729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28729 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: > >>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>Dennis Haisten > >A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >you are going to have a real problem on your hands. > >beekeep If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will perish. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm Article 28730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!sac.uu.net!newshub1.wanet.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Mar 2001 14:29:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Frame spacers Message-ID: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28730 I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, hives ect. In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. I don't understand ??? Why would you want less frames ??? Thank You for Your Time, -= Mike =- Article 28731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame spacers Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:46:01 -0500 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <982t7h$255q$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983889970 70842 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28731 Spacers can be used to provide more space for bees to draw out comb. Some keepers use spacers in broad chambers and other use it for honey supers. Some probably do both. For my operation I use 9 frames spacers for honey supers so bees draw out the comb further which, allows easier uncapping of the frame. I won't go into detail as there are as many ideas as there are keepers. Good Luck. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Mike" wrote in message news:20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com... > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > hives ect. > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > I don't understand ??? > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > > Thank You for Your Time, > -= Mike =- Article 28732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When should i apply strips?????? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:19:17 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28732 Supposed to hit 61 F today....Should i put the strips in? Live in Washington state. ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/stories.html To bad honey isn't Low Carb. ===================================== Article 28733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.83!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:32:10 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983907131 141764 216.167.138.83 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28733 Peter Edwards sniffed: >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. That's because you didn't poll the archives first, where there are many such threads, including some of my own views. C.K. Article 28734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: Frame spacers X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.127.111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:22:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28734 I don't use spacers. In my opinion if you use spacers the bees will draw the comb out further. This means when you uncap it's either harder to take just the cap, or you cut off more of the comb when cutting back to level with the frame. Mike wrote: > > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > hives ect. > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > I don't understand ??? > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > Thank You for Your Time, > -= Mike =- Article 28735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!skycache.prestige.net!not-for-mail From: "mikebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> Subject: Re: Frame spacers Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:54:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.94.220.131 X-Complaints-To: administrator@prestige.net X-Trace: skycache.prestige.net 983919244 63.94.220.131 (Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:54:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:54:04 EST Organization: Prestige Communications/ Prestige.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28735 I have been using spacers for a number of years in the extracting supers. It makes it easier to uncap as the cells are pulled out farther. You can use spacers in the brood chamber, it makes it easier to get the frames out. When you remove frames, start with an outside frame and work inwards to help prevent rolling the bees and possibly killing the queen. Once you move the outside frame you then have room to move the next frame over. For a new beekeeper I suggest joining a beekeeping club, you can get a lot of information and there will be experienced beekeepers to help you. Good luck. J wrote in message news:3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com... > I don't use spacers. In my opinion if you use spacers the bees will > draw the comb out further. This means when you uncap it's either harder > to take just the cap, or you cut off more of the comb when cutting back > to level with the frame. > > Mike wrote: > > > > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > > hives ect. > > > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > > > I don't understand ??? > > > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > > > Thank You for Your Time, > > -= Mike =- Article 28736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wintering = dead bees? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:02:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.10.145.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 983923375 24.10.145.159 (Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:02:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:02:55 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28736 hello all I live in southern california. I have four hives. two all american, and buckfast. three weeks ago while dusting with Terramycin , I noticed that one of the all american hives has been extremely active and reproducing. fearing a swarm I placed a shallow super and closed the entrance and covered the super with a tarp. yesterday I opened the hive, and what a disaster. there is approximately six inch high worth of dead bees on the bottom super. its an apparent stampede to the entrance. I still have not found the queen. I'm hoping she is still alive. ok after you call me names, I hope you would answer this question? how the hay do pro beekeepers transport the hives without having such a disaster? or how beekeepers who live in cold climates wrap the hive in a tarp and leave it outside in the snow without having such a disaster thanks Mike Article 28737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA58146.1DD01562@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When should i apply strips?????? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 X-Trace: /whjskj4E/4/gXJ640PKwdBeMJ5PVVsFNL7iXbZ+x9tGgkenxNLGGrvMuxlkElqjLJfaQBSL77Cr!/edLYcqGcC2j5Q4jvDO0bQhZbvGnRad9aJb4eSQlGpn7uBkDBuXT/TBBBRdT X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:31:11 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:31:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28737 Did you put Apistan in last fall? BeArLc wrote: > Supposed to hit 61 F today....Should i put the strips in? Live in > Washington state. > > ===================================== > http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/stories.html > To bad honey isn't Low Carb. > ===================================== Article 28738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!news.gnac.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.127.111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:41:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28738 Ya know, it's really hard to happen upon a news group and know how or where to go "poll the archives". I've been watching this NG for over 6 months now - and commenting every now and then, and I still don't have a clue as to what "archives" you are referring to. Most of us probably purge our posts over 14 days old, as well, we have lives outside of computing, newsgroups and beekeeping. So, cut us some slack and don't be so snippy. Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > Peter Edwards sniffed: > > >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this > >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. > > That's because you didn't poll the archives first, where there are > many such threads, including some of my own views. > > C.K. Article 28739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!not-for-mail From: Xavier Dequaire Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:15:35 +0100 Organization: XDi Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> Reply-To: xavier@futurich.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.91.191.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: oslo-nntp.eunet.no 983949045 15224 193.91.191.10 (7 Mar 2001 07:10:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eunet.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Mar 2001 07:10:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28739 About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ or more specifically for this NG http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping Bee in peace Xavier J wrote: > Ya know, it's really hard to happen upon a news group and know how or > where to go "poll the archives". I've been watching this NG for over 6 > months now - and commenting every now and then, and I still don't have a > clue as to what "archives" you are referring to. Most of us probably > purge our posts over 14 days old, as well, we have lives outside of > computing, newsgroups and beekeeping. So, cut us some slack and don't > be so snippy. > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > > Peter Edwards sniffed: > > > > >I regret that my attempt, a little while ago, to poll contributors to this > > >newsgroup on their experience of arthritis met with little success. > > > > That's because you didn't poll the archives first, where there are > > many such threads, including some of my own views. > > > > C.K. -- ----------------------------------- | XDi, Xavier Dequaire interaktiv | e-learning og multimedia konsulent |-@------------------------------@- | Dataforhandler: | maskinvare og programvare | Forhandler av en glimrende urtedrikk | http://www.futurich.com ----------------------------------- Article 28740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:17:40 -0700 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983971047 390998 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28740 > About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ > or more specifically for this NG > http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beeke eping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping Thanks for this. I was aware that Deja's searches had degenerated in depth, but not that this new service had replaced it. Hope it lasts. Anyone else have any neat tricks for accessing sci.agriculture.beekeeping or the archives? Anyone know if the archives at Google go all the way back? I keep a page about sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm , and I see I'm going to have to overhaul it now. For those wanting to look into archives, BEE-L has searchable archives over a decade deep accessible from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- When I was little, my grandfather used to make me stand in a closet for five minutes without moving. He said it was elevator practice. -- Steven Wright Article 28741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Selection for Varroa tolerance (was Re: Standards for Organic Honey) Date: 7 Mar 2001 08:25:02 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <985cre$rs6$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <97qk9d$j5i$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28741 In article , Teri Bachus wrote: >btw, how did your queen trials go last year and do you plan to repeat them >this year? > > We're still awaiting Spring buildup to assess completely how our tests went. We've been in contact with others and as soon as everyone pools their data and arranges for crosses (i.e. exchanging germplasm via virgins/semen) I'll post a summary. I'm still looking for queen testers for this season. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frames Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:57:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AA2889D.116C69@mail.tqci.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28742 I do wire my brood frames, this is how I was first taught to make brood frames. I use two wires. This helps to keep the foundation straight in the frame to prevent bowing. You also might run into sagging of the comb as you get into the summer. With all of the bees and the stores that they have put into the comb, plus the heat, the comb can easily be deformed and sag. You can get support pins, I have two jars I got from a beekeeper, but I have never used them. I extract most of my honey, so I also wire the super frames. My advice is to wire. Pat On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:25:18 GMT, Christopher Drazba wrote: >Do brood frames need horizontal wires? I am using wired >brood foundation. If so, should I use 2 or 4 wires? > >Chris D. Article 28743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 37 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Mar 2001 15:40:31 GMT References: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: wintering = dead bees? Message-ID: <20010307104031.01735.00000182@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28743 From: maverick maldimassi@home.com >one of the all american hives has been extremely active and reproducing. >fearing a swarm I placed a shallow super and closed the entrance and >covered the super with a tarp. yesterday I opened the hive, and what a >disaster. there is approximately six inch high worth of dead bees on the >bottom super. its an apparent stampede to the entrance. I still have not >found the queen. I'm hoping she is still alive. More likely they suffocated. You can't close up a strong hive. They HAVE to fly. >how the hay do pro beekeepers transport the hives without having such a >disaster? I just give them a puff of smoke (at any time when bees are not flying) and set them on the truck. I NEVER close the entrances. I've often seen hobbyists close up hives with duct tape for moving, and suffocate them the same way. As long as the truck keeps moving, the bees will not fly. And they will get air, which they desperately need. Another possibility strikes my mind. Did you actually look at the brood when you say this was a strong hive? Or did you just see a lot of frenzied flight at the entrance. Whenever you see a lot of flight at the entrance in late winter, look to see if they are bringing in pollen. If so, it is a strong hive. If no pollen on the bees, they may well be robbing out a dead or weak hive. You can reduce the entrance to a very small one that is more easily defended, but it may be too late by the time you see robbing. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wintering = dead bees? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:44:24 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <985dvb$df7i$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983972652 441586 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28744 These questions and more are answered in detail at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ , but finding what you are looking for might not be a quick process, since there is no index at present, just a search., so I'll give a few ideas below... > fearing a swarm I placed a shallow super and closed the entrance and > covered the super with a tarp. yesterday I opened the hive, and what a > disaster. there is approximately six inch high worth of dead bees on the > bottom super... how the hay > do pro beekeepers transport hives without having such a disaster? In a nutshell, it is very important to get air to bees being moved. Screening individual hives can get them dead fast if the enclosed bees inside -- or lost bees outside -- cover the screens and cut off airflow. Most pros move them open and unscreened or open with screens over the entire load. We use tarps, but with assured airflow and open entrances. >or how beekeepers who live in cold climates wrap the hive in >a tarp and leave it outside in the snow without having such a disaster There are pictures at my site. One feature of all wintering wraps is holes somewhere for air flow. Even though the entire hive is wrapped, there is always an air hole. See the pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/Diary120100.htm -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- My girlfriend does her nails with white-out. When she's asleep, I go over there and write misspelled words on them. -- Steven Wright Article 28745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wintering = dead bees? Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:32:23 -0600 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3AA66297.54C0A10A@okstate.edu> References: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28745 Mike, Both Allen Dick and Dave Green provided good answers to your question. I would add just one thing. Please don't use the shallow super you added to the hive for honey that will be consumed by humans. I would think it is well and truly contaminated with Terramyacin now. Gary J. Article 28746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> <985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:19:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 983985591 66.31.137.46 (Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:19:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:19:51 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28746 Just FYI... "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ > > or more specifically for this NG > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beeke > eping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Thanks for this. I was aware that Deja's searches had degenerated in depth, > but not that this new service had replaced it. They didn't replace it... google bought deja.com's groups service. See http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/pressrelease48.html. -Steve Article 28747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When should i apply strips?????? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:27:56 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AA58146.1DD01562@gte.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28747 yes...i treated with apistan last fall.... Article 28748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.127.111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AA6744F.D1578680@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> <985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:47:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28748 Thank you all. This is helpful. However, this website will have to be posted every couple of weeks or so for those that are new to the newsgroup and don't know where to look. Thanks again! Allen Dick wrote: > > > About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ > > or more specifically for this NG > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beeke > eping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Thanks for this. I was aware that Deja's searches had degenerated in depth, > but not that this new service had replaced it. Hope it lasts. > > Anyone else have any neat tricks for accessing sci.agriculture.beekeeping or > the archives? Anyone know if the archives at Google go all the way back? I > keep a page about sci.agriculture.beekeeping at > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm , and I see I'm going to have > to overhaul it now. > > For those wanting to look into archives, BEE-L has searchable archives over > a decade deep accessible from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ > > -- > allen > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > --- > When I was little, my grandfather used to make me stand in a closet for five > minutes without moving. He said it was elevator practice. -- Steven Wright Article 28749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.127.111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AA676AD.5DC6064@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> <985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <3AA6744F.D1578680@NOTaol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:58:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28749 Ok, so how do you make this google site work. I can only see part of the threads and it seems to be WAY behind. For example the two newest posts aren't even out there. I'm also not seeing these posts out there..... J wrote: > > Thank you all. This is helpful. However, this website will have to be > posted every couple of weeks or so for those that are new to the > newsgroup and don't know where to look. > > Thanks again! > > Allen Dick wrote: > > > > > About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ > > > or more specifically for this NG > > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&lr=&group=sci.agriculture.beeke > > eping&safe=off&start=50&group=sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > > > Thanks for this. I was aware that Deja's searches had degenerated in depth, > > but not that this new service had replaced it. Hope it lasts. > > > > Anyone else have any neat tricks for accessing sci.agriculture.beekeeping or > > the archives? Anyone know if the archives at Google go all the way back? I > > keep a page about sci.agriculture.beekeeping at > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm , and I see I'm going to have > > to overhaul it now. > > > > For those wanting to look into archives, BEE-L has searchable archives over > > a decade deep accessible from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ > > > > -- > > allen > > > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > --- > > When I was little, my grandfather used to make me stand in a closet for five > > minutes without moving. He said it was elevator practice. -- Steven Wright Article 28750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Live beekeeping experiment Message-ID: <983993040@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:24:00 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983996285 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28750 This is a live beekeeping experiment with monthly updates on a website. Read the document at: http://www.beedata.com/data3/experiment Author: Ian Rumsey Address: Morris Green Farm, Morris Green, Sible Hedingham, Halstead, Essex C09 3LU Email: ianrumsey@hotmail.com Regards Steve ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 28751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Mar 2001 23:43:03 GMT References: <985cre$rs6$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Queen Selection for Varroa tolerance (was Re: Standards for Organic Honey) Message-ID: <20010307184303.06638.00000206@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28751 >I'm still looking for queen testers for this season. > fill me in adam....????? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 28752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new software Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:52:50 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 50 Message-ID: <986h67$4ml$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip35.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984008711 4821 195.249.242.35 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28752 Bidata now up to Scandinavian (and many other) Standards. The 2001 edition includes the following : Queen breeder Register card (build on the Swedish queen register card) with dropdown lists for a lot of stuff. Index calculation on hives can give a help to determine, which hives to keep. It also gives access to a graphic show of hives that gives a visual sight to compare from.. Disease form with dropdown lists for diseases, treatment and control. the forms have changed to tabbed notebook format to get a better overview. Number of frames in a hive is now reflected when you enter a new hive-note. Multi-selection of hives to handle. means that you only have to e.g. enter disease treatment ones and then by accepting the entries, add to all selected hives. This also goes for data entries to hives and some of the hive manipulations. To multi-select use Ctrl + mouse-click. Hives in a yard can be additional grouped. Such as identified by placement on e.g. pallets. If grouped the hives will be kept together. Hives can also be marked colored, so that it is easy to spot a hive on the screen. E.g. a hive you must follow, or a group of hives to visual make it more easy to spot on the screen. dial up your queen breeder from within software You can let the software create the first records for all your families and at the same time group them. Barcodes to identify your hives with can be created and put on Avery labels or printed out on letter paper. the barcodes will contain visual information on hive and queen too. The palm OS software now also support scanning of hive labels to place you on the correct record on the Palm OS compatible Handheld device. backup of data added. If you use this facility when leaving the software, you will have the ability to restore data after an eventually power failure. The manual is again in the archive but see it just as a guideline, the help is updated and much more instructive. The software is free for use up to 10 hives and will not expire. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software updated! Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:45:51 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 28 Message-ID: <986gp4$2ms$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip35.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984008292 2780 195.249.242.35 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28753 To all interrested in beekeeping software! I have now been updating my software! it is now free of charge for up to 10 hives, and a lot of new facilities have been added. Handheld software also renewed, now with scanning facilities. If you have been disapointed before this new software might be a solid replacement. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.germany.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone with white eyes? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:49:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 984023389 24.27.124.89 (Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:49:49 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:49:49 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28754 My son found a drone today that had pale white eyes instead of black eyes. It was crawling around and he picked it up to look at it. It crawled on his hand for a minute then flew off. Any ideas on why the drone's eyes may be white. (Only one we have ever seen.) Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com Article 28755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can Honey Bee Stings Ameliorate Arthritis? Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:04:31 -0700 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <987au9$k4o2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3aa325b0.437164063@news.stic.net> <3aa3878c.761793325@news1.radix.net> <3AA57590.90FF9007@NOTaol.com> <3AA5E017.609C97A3@futurich.com> <985cd6$btqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <3AA6744F.D1578680@NOTaol.com> <3AA676AD.5DC6064@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 984035083 660226 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28755 > Ok, so how do you make this google site work. I can only see part of > the threads and it seems to be WAY behind. For example the two newest > posts aren't even out there. I'm also not seeing these posts out > there..... Dunno. It says it is still Beta. They say they now update only once a day. They say they plan to go back to'95. They say they plan to allow posting from there too. Hope so. -- allen > > > > About archive on this NG, you can check http://groups.google.com/ --- Smoking cures weight problems...eventually... -- Steven Wright Article 28756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "gomer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm bee-havior Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:48:30 -0800 Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.195 Message-ID: <3aa70f68.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 8 Mar 2001 04:49:44 GMT, 209.192.109.195 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.195 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28756 I searched the FAQ and skimmed this newgroup but I can't find the answer to these questions. I would think they're asked a lot. Several times I've seen pictures or film clips of beekeepers who have an entire swarm of bees crawling around on their bodies or faces. Often the person is unprotected --not wearing a bee suit, smiling for the camera. #1 What are the bees doing? #2 Isn't this a little dangerous? #3 How does the beekeeper encourage this to happen? (or does he?) #4 How does the beekeeper get them off? Just curious. Article 28757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!renate.komtel.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Call for help Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:20:44 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 48 Message-ID: <987m04$dj5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip81.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984046404 13925 195.215.97.81 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28757 my software is multi lingual but some of the languages available suchs a little. the following languages is surported but except from the danish and english the rest needs revision that I can't do because my language knowlege is limited. Danish *German *Swedish English *Finnish *French *Spanish *Dutch *Brazil Portuguese those with a star need revision. I need helpt to the language file which is a plain text file editable in notepad. The helpfile need translation. it is a winword document with some foot notes. because I am working voluntary on tis software, I can't pay you, but I can give you a free registration. anybody out there. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT: Proposed mead newsgroup - rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:36:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 984062192 24.163.160.238 (Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:36:32 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:36:32 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:69498 rec.crafts.brewing:256796 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:255 rec.food.historic:24456 rec.org.sca:315333 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28758 Just as a reminder, the vote for the proposed mead newsgroup closes today. For more information about this newsgroup and the newsgroup creation process, you can visit http://mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html . Christopher Hadden Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking http://mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html chadden@contecrayon.com Article 28759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt4-port-71.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quality of Honey Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:37:12 -0700 Lines: 95 Message-ID: <988cdj$ouas$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt4-port-71.dial.telus.net (161.184.49.71) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 984069364 817500 161.184.49.71 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28759 I was writing this for BEE-L and thought I'd send it here too. ----- > In a similar manner, those who are worried that plastics heated to anything > less than around 200 degrees will somehow release chemicals into food are > repeating old wives tales. That said, there are many kinds of plastics and > I am certain that some may vaporize chemicals...but not those common > plastics that are commonly used in food applications, and that includes the > plastics used in the manufacture of 5 gallon pails. Many plastics, > including polypropylene and polyethylene can and are heated to near 200 > degrees as a matter of course and, if handled properly, will show no damage. Hmmm. Old wives tales, eh? I must be hitting close to the bone. After all that, I see the words "if handled properly". That's the point. If people are melting the pails, what =is= the temperature? Also I see "near 200 degrees", isn't that around the temperature of boiling water? When heat belts or hot air are used, what about the parts of the pail (hot spots) that are not well cooled by honey? I thought I might hit a nerve when pointing out that virtually all methods used commercially for handling honey damage it and that many common container materials are only appropriate for use at normal shelf temperatures. I actually didn't expect it from the guy who markets one of the few alternatives to damaging honey -- comb honey. I realise that Lloyd is likely an expert on plastics by now, since he is manufacturing Ross Rounds and likely reading a lot of technical stuff, but I do not share his confidence that beekeepers are in the safe zone when using plastic pails and plastic paints, etc. Granted, the damages to honey by today's processing are subtle, and for those who regard honey as just another sweetener or a mass commercial product, these effects don't matter. For those who use honey medicinally or have gourmet taste buds, even the slight damage caused by commercial packing can render honey worthless. We all know how honey is processed today. Commercial beekeepers typically use heat up to a max of 120 F (measured at the contact surfaces) . Many use lower heat, and it is usually only over a matter of minutes to remove large chunks of wax and debris. Honey in cappings is often subject to much more heat over a longer duration. Packers typically heat honey to 160 F for only a few moments, but they also typically hold that honey in vats for a day or more at about 130 F before running it through. We all know what is done, but the question is whether it is right. I know that one of the best built, managed and certified honey packing plants in the world darkens the honey it handles 100% from the time it enters the plant to the time it leaves. The colour number doubles from start to finish. When it leaves the plant it is pasteurized, filtered so that the pollen is gone and IMO, it is not really honey anymore. It is not the honey that I taste when I eat burr comb in the beeyard or the honey I eat when I sample packaged comb honey from markets or stores. I know I am stepping on toes here. Commercial beekeepers need packing plants and packing plants need heat and lots of it. They are in competition for markets and want to use the cheapest process possible because the mass market does not seem able to distinguish good honey from bad, at least in the short run. If they cannot recover the added cost of improved handling, then they have no incentive to seek new and technologically advanced methods of achieving higher quality. Unfortunately, because most of the honey offered to the public is either mass processed or from small operators who very often misunderstand and mishandle honey, the public has turned slowly away from our product and we are losing ground in the marketplace. I am talking here about the output of honest producers and packers and not considering the impact of adulteration, which is rampant worldwide and destroys our incentive to produce a premium product by diminishing the price spread between honey and cheap sweeteners as well as diminishing the differences apparent to consumers. I understand that as I write, a shipment of NZ manuka honey is in detention in Canada, since it tested positive for around seven percent corn syrup. Economics are driving the honey production and packing industry and our product is a poor shadow of what the bees make. The fact remains that the best honey is honey in the comb, and preferably comb made without manufactured foundation. Anything less is less. We all know it, but we don't like to face the fact. Any air, any knives, any augers, any extractors, any pumps, any heat exchangers, any tanks, and any containers that touch that honey on the way to your mouth change the honey subtly. And not for better. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 28760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/services/server/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Files available if you dont want to go online Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:45:53 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 48 Message-ID: <987h4s$qvt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip126.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984041436 27645 195.215.97.126 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28760 Because some filenames have changed here is the url to files: Filenames to get if you don't want to go online: The help file have been heavy expanded, and is the main documentation. You will have help to nearly everything, and if you need help on what is not covered I trust you to figure it out. Help file in English and Danish. full install if you don't have the archive present on CD or somewhere else. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95inst.exe Update archive if you have the CD or have the full archive present somewhere. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update.exe Palm software full install http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_palm.exe Palm update http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatapalmup.exe It is strongly recommended that if you Update both the normal bidata and the palm software if you are using this. About language support: if you see a star * in program items then you know that this must be edited. Use the facility to do that from tool menu. In edit window right click to get options to save abandon or reload the language file. Language file will be saved with extension of your country code. Take a little time to do this, it is not much work Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/services/server/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm bee-havior Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:24:20 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 44 Message-ID: <987imf$23n$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3aa70f68.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip9.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984043023 2167 195.215.97.9 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28761 "gomer" skrev i en meddelelse news:3aa70f68.0@newsman.viper.net... > bodies or faces. Often the person is unprotected --not wearing > a bee suit, smiling for the camera. > > #1 What are the bees doing? it is a swarm clustering about the queen (not the beekeeper) > > #2 Isn't this a little dangerous? There is a risk about everything in life :-) but I a have in my more than 25 years doing beekeeping never been attached by a swarm. > > #3 How does the beekeeper encourage this to happen? (or does he?) he looks up the queen in the swarm. Put her into a box of some kind (can be a match box) I use a hair curler old fashion. Then he put this container under his neck goes a little away from the svarm and drinking a cool beer he just wait. after a while the swarm recognize the new place for the queen and the fly or walk to the beekeeper to get clustered araund the queen. > > #4 How does the beekeeper get them off? removes the box and places it in a swarm catcher or in front of the entrance to a new hive. then the bees will leave the beekeeper and follow the queen. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/services/server/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone with white eyes? Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:59:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3aa78eb3.92580620@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28762 On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:49:49 GMT, "Robert Talk" wrote: >My son found a drone today that had pale white eyes instead of black eyes. >It was crawling around and he picked it up to look at it. It crawled on his >hand for a minute then flew off. > >Any ideas on why the drone's eyes may be white. (Only one we have ever >seen.) > >Robert >http://beetalk.tripod.com > Since drones are haploid they reflect their mother's genotype, thus they show phenotypes of recessive mutations more readily. You can expect to find one mutant in every 10^6 or 10^7 drones. Mutant eye color is the most common mutation seen. It is also the easiest to see. Others includ hairlessness, cuticular color, and the morphology of the eyes, wings, and sting. beekeep Article 28763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "peter white" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> Subject: Re: wintering = dead bees? Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:18:51 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.135.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 984079255 195.47.135.39 (Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:20:55 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:20:55 MET Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28763 Hi Mick No great secret here, The bees probably suffocated.-Having begun to fly, closing the ventilation for three weeks is going to kill them, when pro beekeepers move hives if the weather is hot, we put a ventilation cover on .This is a hive roof made of a wire mesh,and no cover. the bees are then selfventilating. I have never had a case where the bees became too cold under transport. As to your question concerning tarps on hives-they are normaly used when the bees are not flying, thats to say when the weather is to cold, in your case they were already out and about. An interresting point here I live in Denmark where the weather can be cold. Bees that die in the winter are more likely to die from packing them in and restricting ventilation and creating damp conditions in the hive than from cold. We now use hives with open,wire mesh bases and these seem to overwinter without problems from cold.Good luck with the other 3 hives. maverick skrev i meddelelsen <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com>... Article 28764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please respond if testing my software Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:06:17 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 24 Message-ID: <988va7$an6$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip121.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984088711 10982 195.249.242.121 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28764 I want to make the software better, so all responds are very welcome. please be aware, that I do this of interest for beekeeping not for profit even if I claim a little money to be able to continue with this. I am autodidact programmer so errors may occur, even if I am doing my very best to avoid this. Think about this before you fire your misssil. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Boxes Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 23:50:20 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <9h6gat43df3ofpeti14mvimbmi930ifrbs@4ax.com> References: <3A9EC5E8.1D66DA53@coldspring.com> <3A9FF5B2.5A3979B4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <97p89u02qpu@drn.newsguy.com> <97qra6$qa51g$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <97reid01ndg@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28765 In the UK they did establish a standard to govern the construction of a hive, the size of brood and many other aspect of beekeeping. However, it was all withdrawn many years ago. I have recently purchased the plans for the hive which are widely used in our area. On 3 Mar 2001 10:53:01 -0800, James Fischer wrote: >Allen Dick said: > >>I'm thinking that we need a standard endorsed by a national, >>continental, or world body. This applies not only to woodenware, >>but also things like 'hygienic' queens. > >Yeah, I know a "hygenic queen"... he will come and clean >your house every week at reasonable prices! :) > >The concept of a "standard" implies that some number of >people come to agreement on a consensus view, and that >compromises are made to achive the consensus. > >I have yet to see a consensus develop among any number >of beekeepers on any issue. In fact, discussion most >often results in additional divergent views being added >to the mix! :) > >>Seems to me that a large organisation already in place like >>Sue Bee, ABF or AHPA could pick up the ball on this and establish >>a standard, then licence the use of marks for the nominal cost of >>>administering and policing the standards. > >The same issue has existed for years in technology markets. >In this case, the key word is "interoperability". Of course, >there is some debate over the optimal minimum and maximum gap >that can be called "bee space", so there must first be a >consensus on the core issue of "standard bee space". > >>If there were a standard, I am assuming that consumer pressure >>would encourage producer conformance. > >At least the first step has been taken - names have been named, >and brands of woodenware that are not even "interoperable" with >more of the same brand have been exposed to light and air. This >was a brave thing for Bee Culture to do, given that some number >of advertisers have been found to be lacking. > >I wish I could agree on that "consumer pressure" is a powerful >force, but "consumer pressure" has not forced Microsoft to comply >with well-known standards, and computer products are both sold >to more people, and are much more expensive than woodenware. > >It is easy to write up a document that says "respect bee space", >but it is hard (and expensive) to re-tool one's entire set of jigs >and implement strict quality-control over tolerances when working >with wood. > >I'd hope that the woodenware vendors would negotiate among themselves >and come to their own consensus, but I'm not going to hold my breath. > >What beekeepers owe the vendors is a clear consensus on >what "bee space" should be, with minmum and maximum tolerances. Article 28766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AA7BC54.B8BD95FE@home.com> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wintering = dead bees? References: <3AA57A9E.79166691@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:07:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.5.215.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 984071270 65.5.215.160 (Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:07:50 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:07:50 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28766 thank you all for your response. your answers have truly been helpful Mike > Article 28767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!oz.net!usenet From: Scott & Martha Eby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quality of Honey Date: 9 Mar 2001 00:49:34 GMT Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9899au$1cr$0@216.39.130.139> References: <988cdj$ouas$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.130.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28767 Allen Dick wrote: > I was writing this for BEE-L and thought I'd send it here too. > ----- > > > I am talking here about the output of honest producers and packers and not > considering the impact of adulteration, which is rampant worldwide and > destroys our incentive to produce a premium product by diminishing the price > spread between honey and cheap sweeteners as well as diminishing the > differences apparent to consumers. I understand that as I write, a shipment > of NZ manuka honey is in detention in Canada, since it tested positive for > around seven percent corn syrup. > > Economics are driving the honey production and packing industry and our > product is a poor shadow of what the bees make. The fact remains that the > best honey is honey in the comb, and preferably comb made without > manufactured foundation. > > Anything less is less. We all know it, but we don't like to face the fact. > Any air, any knives, any augers, any extractors, any pumps, any heat > exchangers, any tanks, and any containers that touch that honey on the way > to your mouth change the honey subtly. > > And not for better. > > allen > > -- > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Allen, could you please post more details about the NZ honey adulteration? This is very disturbing if a reputable supplier is involved. Thanks, Scott Eby Seattle, Washington Article 28768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.direcpc.com!not-for-mail From: tbpwpp@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: If Napster won't help - WE WILL! Read how inside! Lines: 122 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 19:21:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.71.111.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direcpc.com X-Trace: news.direcpc.com 984079280 206.71.111.202 (Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:21:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:21:20 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28768 Having Napster withdrawal pains? Well, cry no more! Everything you want is available RIGHT NOW at #MP3_DEPOT on IRC; the server is irc.action-irc.net. 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If you can't figure out how to add a channel, once you have logged into a server and get the welcome message, close the menu box and at the bottom of the page just type this: /join #MP3_Depot No space or other character before the / That will bring you to our channel From there just ask any question you have and someone will answer it. urehfbkplcfrbblgyutnkqddwtkpp Article 28769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 23:40:08 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <97cni4$ojvr9$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28769 Sure, no problem. In one hive last year the bees swarn\med almost completely out. The few that were left seemed very 'down hearted' (not very active). The existing combs were torn apart to try and build emergency queen cells and, because there were fewer bees and the weather was very damp, most of the frames gort damp and covered in fungus. I took the worst ones out before winter set in but I want to get them on good and clean new comb for winter. The two other boxes were bees I bought from an old beekeeper who had given up. They were in a bad state and, where one frame had been missed out, the bees had built wild comb. Again, they were very old and dark frames. Aside from that, many thanks to everyone for their help. On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:56:10 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> > With three of my hives this year I want to replace all the brood combs >> > and boxes. >Do you mind if I ask why? >allen Article 28770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:02:37 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 44 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28770 Interesting to hear the comments. In the UK cedar is used (in the main) for hive bodies etc and painting seems to be frowned upon, they prefer to treat with preservative recommended for use with bees. I think the reason depends upon climate. In the UK we are a little damp! Therefore to seal wood with paint stops any breathing. Also pine (or at least the pine we get here in the UK) would not last five minutes. Having said that I do know of a couple of people using pine. On 3 Mar 2001 11:18:45 -0800, James Fischer wrote: >Jennifer said: > >>...what kind of wood would be best suited for building >>my own hive bodies and supers? We've got hemlock, beech, >>maple (although that's used for the sugaring), pine, and >>probably a lot more. The wood he'll mill the most is >>probably the hemlock, and he says that's a very hard wood. >> >>How suitable would that bee for building hives? The pine would >>probably be best, from what he says. Any thoughts on the woods >>I mentioned, and any others that might work? > >The bees won't mind, no matter which wood you use. > >Your table saw (unless equipped with carbide blades) >certainly WILL mind harder woods. (I love the carbide- >tipped adjustable dado blade sold by Sears that "wobbles", >as it cuts through oak like it was butter.) > >Most of the woodenware one can buy is pine, and I have yet >to hear anyone criticize pine as a "poor choice". A good >paint job seems to be more important than the type of wood >used. > >Rossman makes their woodenware from Cypress >see http://www.gabees.com/cypress.htm > >Here's one option that starts to seem silly - MAHOGANY!!! >see http://www.bee-commerce.com/gifts/estatehive.htm >of course, at $1,500 each, one should expect a solid >gold entrance reducer! Article 28771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3aa78eb3.92580620@news1.radix.net> Subject: George's PINK PAGES March 2001 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:33:45 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.181 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.181 Message-ID: <3aa832f5_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 8 Mar 2001 20:33:41 -0500, 64.208.65.181 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.181 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28771 George's PINK PAGES March 2001 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Regards, Herb/Norma Article 28772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quality of Honey Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:37:17 -0700 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <989j5j$14nds$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <988cdj$ouas$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <9899au$1cr$0@216.39.130.139> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-12.internode.net (198.161.229.204) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 984109047 1203644 198.161.229.204 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28772 > > I understand that as I write, a shipment > > of NZ manuka honey is in detention in Canada, since it tested positive for > > around seven percent corn syrup. > Allen, could you please post more details about the NZ honey adulteration? This > is very disturbing if a reputable supplier is involved. Sorry, this is all I have. -- allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- I worked in a health food store once. A guy came in and asked me, "If I melt dry ice, can I take a bath without getting wet?" -- Steven Wright Article 28773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!eanews1.unisys.com!plnews.pl.unisys.com!not-for-mail From: "Clive Tooth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: All your bees are belong to us. Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:17:16 -0000 Organization: We get signal. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <98ae1c$m2i$1@mail.pl.unisys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.39.129.234 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28773 For great justice. -- Clive Tooth http://www.pisquaredoversix.force9.co.uk/ End of document Article 28774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Veil.... Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:27:18 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28774 Heya... I have 2 veils. One ive never used that has the strings attached in the back...and a loop in the front. How do I tie this thing on...doesn't seem to fit as snug as the one with strings attached in the front. Joe -- ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/joe.html ===================================== Article 28775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: George's PINK PAGES March 2001 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:37:39 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.29 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.29 Message-ID: <3aa8dc80_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 9 Mar 2001 08:37:04 -0500, 64.208.65.29 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28775 Greetings! Updated pages: George's PINK PAGES March 2001 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/contentpages/articles.html -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Confused? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:42:28 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 23 Message-ID: <98b0o4$cku$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip122.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984155716 12958 195.215.97.122 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28776 Bidata is win98/NT software despit of the naming of the archive. Registration have changed. $US45 for a twenty hive registration included a CD. $US100 for a full registration CD included. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Confused? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:05:27 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 43 Message-ID: <98b224$g1a$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <98b0o4$cku$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip83.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984157060 16426 195.249.242.83 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28777 sorry should have gone private! -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Jorn Johanesson" skrev i en meddelelse news:98b0o4$cku$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > Bidata is win98/NT software despit of the naming of the archive. > > Registration have changed. $US45 for a twenty hive registration included a > CD. > > $US100 for a full registration CD included. > > -- > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. > all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen > breeder > free of charge up to 10 hives. > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > Article 28778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veil.... Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:22:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3aa95764.82205961@news1.radix.net> References: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28778 On 09 Mar 2001 20:55:40 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Run the strings through the loop. Down to your hips across your waist and tie >in front. > >My strings shrunk over winter. > Once the season gets underway and they have you going 24/7 they get longer. beekeep Article 28779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 30 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Mar 2001 20:55:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veil.... Message-ID: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28779 Run the strings through the loop. Down to your hips across your waist and tie in front. My strings shrunk over winter. Taliban's supreme commander, Mullah Mohammed Omar can kiss my ass. Article 28780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veil.... Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:13:20 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28780 Hmm...dunno if there is enough string on mine either...but i will try that. You say your strings shrunk or is it something else has grown...lol... Click on my link and see what NOT eating honey will do...hehe thanks man...Joe ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/joe.html ===================================== Article 28781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.191.133 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 984181953 212.137.191.133 (Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:52:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:52:33 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28781 "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:lo6gatkur4i3fjjocnisdsrmv7cu18v3gf@4ax.com... > Interesting to hear the comments. In the UK cedar is used (in the > main) for hive bodies etc and painting seems to be frowned upon, they > prefer to treat with preservative recommended for use with bees. I > think the reason depends upon climate. In the UK we are a little damp! > Therefore to seal wood with paint stops any breathing. Also pine (or > at least the pine we get here in the UK) would not last five minutes. > > Having said that I do know of a couple of people using pine. ------------------------ I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is far to high - and woodpeckers love it! Paint is not favoured because it seals in water and the wood rots - a wood preservative that soaks in to the wood is far better or, best of all in my opinion, the wood can be dipped in hot paraffin wax. Once you start painting you have to keep going and if it starts to peel then you really need to strip the lot and start again. Unpainted hives are also less obvious to thieves and vandals than white painted ones. Article 28782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Mar 2001 05:13:43 GMT References: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veil.... Message-ID: <20010310001343.00549.00000599@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28782 >My strings shrunk over winter. >From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) That's why I gave up strings. My wife makes my veils out of black tulle, which is kinda fragile, but offers the best vision of any material. She started making them when Dadant quit selling them. She uses elastic in them, but no strings. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAA4C73.4770A04C@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame spacers References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:46:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 984238686 206.231.24.89 (Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:38:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:38:06 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28783 This is the whole idea. To make it easier to uncap. Fat combs are easier to uncap. I don't use frame spacers. I find it easier to use a spacing tool. Try scraping the rabbets when a spacer is present! My biggest objection to spacers concerns mostly brood combs. There is a difference in spacing between worker brood and honey combe. Bees build honey comb fatter than worker brood. When brood combs are spaced, by spacers, to honey comb spacing. much drone comb is constructed. Many good worker combs can be ruined in this way. J wrote: > I don't use spacers. In my opinion if you use spacers the bees will > draw the comb out further. This means when you uncap it's either harder > to take just the cap, or you cut off more of the comb when cutting back > to level with the frame. > > Mike wrote: > > > > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > > hives ect. > > > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > > > I don't understand ??? > > > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > > > Thank You for Your Time, > > -= Mike =- Article 28784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Info" From: "Info" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Splitting Lines: 1776 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:27:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.21.71.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 984230865 63.21.71.202 (Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:27:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:27:45 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28784 With the swarming season rapidly approaching, hive splitting should be a consideration for those wishing to minimize the possibility of swarming while replacing those dead colonies that did not winter. 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Message-ID: <20010310092355.00602.00000622@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28785 Nice work, I could lose 50 myself and not die. Article 28786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame spacers Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:47:44 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 13 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <98e7e0$2o4$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> <3AAA4C73.4770A04C@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 984260864 2820 24.95.169.25 (10 Mar 2001 21:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:47:44 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28786 In article <3AAA4C73.4770A04C@together.net>, mpalmer@together.net says... > >This is the whole idea. To make it easier to uncap. Fat combs are easier to >uncap. I don't use frame spacers. I find it easier to use a spacing tool. Try >scraping the rabbets when a spacer is present! > My biggest objection to spacers concerns mostly brood combs. There is a >difference in spacing between worker brood and honey combe. Bees build honey >comb fatter than worker brood. When brood combs are spaced, by spacers, to >honey comb spacing. much drone comb is constructed. Many good worker combs >can be ruined in this way. (ditto) Article 28787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:31:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 984264241 nnrp-13:8886 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28787 In article , Steven Newport writes >Interesting to hear the comments. In the UK cedar is used (in the >main) for hive bodies etc and painting seems to be frowned upon, they >prefer to treat with preservative recommended for use with bees. There's no point painting (red) cedar. It lasts and lasts without preservative. If needed a cuprinol type bee friendly coat is all that is needed to keep the wood good for more years. I have some that must be 50 years old that have probably never been treated. > I >think the reason depends upon climate. In the UK we are a little damp! >Therefore to seal wood with paint stops any breathing. Also pine (or >at least the pine we get here in the UK) would not last five minutes. Some of us make our own from 12mm ply and they work out a small but significant % cheaper than Thorne's cedar seconds which are superb quality with a few knots only. -- James Kilty Article 28788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preserving Hive Bodies Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:32:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 984264244 nnrp-13:8886 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28788 In article , Me writes all snipped Sometimes we like to reply off list. To you (you@home.com>? -- James Kilty Article 28789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: 10 Mar 2001 19:06:05 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 43 Message-ID: <98eq2t0gh@drn.newsguy.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-674.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28789 Peter said, about painting of hives in the UK: > Paint is not favoured because it seals in water and the > wood rots - a wood preservative that soaks in to the wood > is far better or, best of all in my opinion, the wood can > be dipped in hot paraffin wax. To each his own, and certainly the UK holds the original patent on the damp/rainy day. There are a few points in favor of painting in areas where one has more sun, not the least of which is the lower solar gain and lower internal hive temperatures of a hive painted a light color versus a "natural wood" finish. As I recall, this newsgroup was the forum for a lengthy discussion of the "advantages" of dark-colored hive bodies in lowering varroa mite populations, but the trade-off was that these darker colors also produced less brood, and less honey. As I recall, the study sample size was a bit small, but the results were statistically significant. > Once you start painting you have to keep going and if it > starts to peel then you really need to strip the lot and > start again. True - painting implies eventual repainting. > Unpainted hives are also less obvious to thieves and > vandals than white painted ones. ...but who said anything about WHITE paint? :) All my woodenware is painted shades of greenish-yellow, just to blend in with the surrounding grasses and be unobtrusive. This is certainly not the best job of camouflage possible, but I have never seen a true "camouflaged hive". Come to think of it, "true camouflage" would be something that one would NEVER see, so I guess all I can say is that I have not seen any poor attempts at army-style camouflage. Honestly, most purists in the US DO paint their hives white. Most photos do show white equipment. Article 28790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAB6F73.23B67F91@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <98eq2t0gh@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:28:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 984313194 206.231.24.30 (Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:19:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:19:54 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28790 I prefer the rainbow effect. With all the new house construction in my area, there are lots of folks painting houses. Everybody seems to want their house one of the "new" colors. If the color isn't mixed just right, the homeowner complains. The storekeeper is left with gallons and gallons of "mistinted" paint. These can usually be gotten for free, or $5 a gallon. The only color I ever repainted was a lemon yellow. Too bright for me! Also, I think it better not to hide your bees. If you are friendly with the neighbors, they will tell you if the covers have blown off or a heifer has knocked some hives over. A reward of honey, and your phone number will work wonders. Mike James Fischer wrote: > ...but who said anything about WHITE paint? :) All my > woodenware is painted shades of greenish-yellow, just to > blend in with the surrounding grasses and be unobtrusive. > This is certainly not the best job of camouflage possible, > but I have never seen a true "camouflaged hive". > Honestly, most purists in the US DO paint their hives white. > Most photos do show white equipment. Article 28791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:06:21 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28791 On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two >hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are >pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is >far to high - and woodpeckers love it! I thought all Thornes hives were Cedar? I know a local bee keeping supplier close to me was looking at buying in pine bodies but decided against it because she felt they wouldn't last as long. Article 28792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:06 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.239.204 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 984350289 195.44.239.204 (Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:09 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28792 Thorne is not the only manufacturer of hives and just as well - I have just received their latest price list quoting £222.30 for a complete National hive - or £237.56 for a Langstroth! Local suppliers would sell you six pine ones for that much money. "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com... > On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two > >hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are > >pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is > >far to high - and woodpeckers love it! > > I thought all Thornes hives were Cedar? > I know a local bee keeping supplier close to me was looking at buying > in pine bodies but decided against it because she felt they wouldn't > last as long. Article 28793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!213.56.195.71!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone comb & menthol questions Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:54:21 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28793 2 questions: 1) When reversing my hive bodies, I found that the bees had built a lot of drone comb on the bottoms of the frames, between the top (before I reversed them) and bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or remove it? In one hive, they had actually connected the bottoms of the top frames & the tops of the bottom frames, making a bit of a mess when I pulled them apart. 2) I used menthol in the fall. Do I need to use it again in the spring? Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom North Alabama rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 28794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAC447A.DE12D143@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <98eq2t0gh@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 X-Trace: +4LrtsY0c/dIpYajdFbwTKHs8yWgcJgRjR1/Z6AVcIKfNVSXBtABpWr0KC7psuL9PzHscqU08lVy!BKEymlI4i3Pfneml0K9Dxou3HD7zytMlQSYKHFhObJdFTep/rEoehI2RCt3s0Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:37:50 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:37:50 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28794 I paint my supers with an exterior oil based stain made by Cabot here in the US. My preferred color is a custom color I call calypso green. Stain will not peel like paint. It also cuts the steps in half since with paint one should prime new wood first. James Fischer wrote: > Peter said, about painting of hives in the UK: > > > Paint is not favoured because it seals in water and the > > wood rots - a wood preservative that soaks in to the wood > > is far better or, best of all in my opinion, the wood can > > be dipped in hot paraffin wax. > > To each his own, and certainly the UK holds the original > patent on the damp/rainy day. There are a few points in > favor of painting in areas where one has more sun, not > the least of which is the lower solar gain and lower > internal hive temperatures of a hive painted a light > color versus a "natural wood" finish. > > As I recall, this newsgroup was the forum for a lengthy > discussion of the "advantages" of dark-colored hive bodies > in lowering varroa mite populations, but the trade-off was > that these darker colors also produced less brood, and less > honey. As I recall, the study sample size was a bit small, > but the results were statistically significant. > > > Once you start painting you have to keep going and if it > > starts to peel then you really need to strip the lot and > > start again. > > True - painting implies eventual repainting. > > > Unpainted hives are also less obvious to thieves and > > vandals than white painted ones. > > ...but who said anything about WHITE paint? :) All my > woodenware is painted shades of greenish-yellow, just to > blend in with the surrounding grasses and be unobtrusive. > This is certainly not the best job of camouflage possible, > but I have never seen a true "camouflaged hive". > > Come to think of it, "true camouflage" would be something > that one would NEVER see, so I guess all I can say is that > I have not seen any poor attempts at army-style camouflage. > > Honestly, most purists in the US DO paint their hives white. > Most photos do show white equipment. Article 28795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I am so sorry! Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:42:23 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 36 Message-ID: <98i1nk$siq$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip30.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984386100 29274 195.215.97.30 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28795 I thought all was OK, but no. The software was working here by me, and that is only the gurantie I can give, but this time, I succeded building in a nice error. that prevented the software from running on new computers with new install. If you can see me now I am frightened out of my wits, and whatever I can write I am very sorry, more than you can imagine. Who saw the rrroe could not initialize the engine????? Please write me and I will do what ican to get this as undone as possible. (CD). The working archive is now in place. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Mar 2001 11:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Message-ID: <20010312060112.20641.00000897@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28796 Hi gang a note here for all part timers and those of us who cant afford a "air nailer " I've tried electric staplers but they didn't work, but i found a new tool this weekend that is just great. Its made by Sears Craftsman, its a new type of staple gun that shoots 9/16 brad nails as well as staples. It's the best thing since buttered toast, it sinks those brads right on into the wedge cleats good an tight. Man what a time saver!!!!! Its just a hand held manual stapler, got a big handle makes it easier to use. No more tack hammering. makes loading foundation a breeze !! cost was 20.00 US Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 28797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Veil.... Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:08:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 984416881 66.31.137.46 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:08:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:08:01 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28797 "BeArLc" wrote in message news:taibklrq3sd2f9@corp.supernews.com... > Heya... > > I have 2 veils. One ive never used that has the strings attached in the > back...and a loop in the front. How do I tie this thing on...doesn't seem > to fit as snug as the one with strings attached in the front. The trick is to run the strings under your arms (one on each side), and then through the loops in front. Then across your chest, around the back and tie in front. Unless they shrunk... ;-) -Steve Article 28798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news.phx.gblx.net!dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:23:13 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 124 Message-ID: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-137-142.nas3.roc.gblx.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@gblx.net X-Posted-By: @209.130.137.142 (dakidd) User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28798 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:256 Greetings from northern California... For the last several years, I've been kicking around the idea of getting into small-scale beekeeping. When I say small-scale, I mean *REALLY* small - 2, maybe 3 hives max. Nothing that even remotely resembles commercial level stuff. I don't much care about turning a profit, I just want a hobby-type setup that might turn out some honey for the biscuits. Recently, I've come into contact with a fellow who used to be into the game in a big way - We're talking several hundred (thousand?) hives that he used to shuttle around the area orchards for profit. From the way he tells the tale, mites hit him hard about 5-6 years back, and between that and his age, he decided it was time to bail out of the biz. As a result, he's got literally hundreds of abandoned hives, supers, frames, etc. piled in one corner of his alfalfa field, some in various states of rotting away, others in near-new condition, several buzzing merrily away with swarms he says he hasn't done anything with other than look at as he drove past on the tractor for the past 2-3 years, but most dead and silent. Since I've got an interest (and not much of a budget) I asked him about 'em. I got the whole story of him bailing out, and to make a long story short, I'm welcome to however many of 'em I feel like carting away, including, if I feel brave enough, the ones that are buzzing, so long as I leave one "live one" for him to maybe tinker with if he gets the urge to do so. So yesterday, after putting a load of hay on the pickup, I stopped on the way out, he helped me do some picking and choosing, and I loaded up the makings for a 10-frame hive in the cab - bottom box (an 8-ish inch high super with bottom board/landing platform nailed on) a second 8-ish inch super, 20 frames, 15 with plastic foundation, 5 with bare wires for wax foundation, and a lid that's rigged for a 2-liter bottle feeder. Plus, of course, I can go back and get whatever else I think I might need next time I go get a load of hay from him. "Great," sez I... "I've got me a Bee-starter-kit. Just add bees, sugar-water, and brain-power." So the first thing I do after getting home and unloading the hay is get on the phone to a local apiary looking for how much it's gonna cost me to install a batch of buzzers in my nifty new box. This is where I got "stung", you might say... Joe Beekeeper (not his real name, obviously) did everything he could, up to and including flat-out telling me that I was friggin' NUTS, to persuade me that I didn't want anything to do with the game, that all I was gonna get out of it was a box of dead bees and disappointment, I was gonna spend money from here to tuesday and not see anything come of it, and just basically "YOU DON'T WANNA DO THIS, but if you insist, I'll cheerfully take your money, supply you with bees I know are going to die, and then tell you "I told ya so" when you decide you've had enough frustration and offer to sell me your hives, which I won't give you anything for because I've already got so many I can't use 'em all for my own operation." A seriously "rosy" picture... A frat-hazing to the tune of "You maggot!" might have been a tad easier to swallow, but I'm not one to take "no" for an answer, and slowly, as I kept insisting that I was going into the game with eyes open, no delusions about swimming around in a lake of honey and/or money, was willing to bust my hump (after all, I know about hobbies where your money literally turns to shit - I'm a horseman) for little or no return other than the enjoyment of doing it, and so on, he finally started to "lighten up" a bit and actually dispense some information. In the end, we reached an agreement: On Thursday night, I'm going over to his place to set his computer up for internet access, show him the basics of going online, and get him hooked up. In exchange, I'm gonna get a queen and some bees, some basic tools, and as much bee-education as I can soak up. Barter in action at it's finest! :) Now to get the hive I have cleaned up and ready for new inhabitants... Now, the point of this whole ramble: Is the "NO YOU CRAZY FOOL!!! DON'T DO IT!!!" speech fairly typical (this is about the third time I've gotten it over the last 3-4 years and 4-5 inquiries to various beekeepers in three states) or have I just stumbled onto folks who are sour on the whole biz? I mean, are we talking a "boot-camp" style hazing that every rookie gets to try to gauge their "serious level" and weed out the ones that think they're gonna turn a quick buck without effort, or has beekeeping really become as difficult as the folks I've been talking to seem to imply? George (the fellow I'm getting my boxes from) tells me he was pretty much wiped out by mites, but the "wave" seems to have passed, since he's had several of his abandoned hives "come to life" and survive for 2-3 years with no intervention. As evidence, I can only offer his claim and the 4 hives (that I could tell... there may have been more) that are buzzing right now out there in his "junkpile" - If those weren't healthy, happy, fully-functional bees that were so thick they were bouncing off me as they came and went, then I'm a TOTAL idiot. The one that sat on (nope, she didn't sting - why would she?) my finger long enough for me to get a good look at sure didn't appear to have any problem other than slighly ratty wings - Not real surprising, since she's probably been mondo-busy wth the almond orchard that's in blossom on the other side of the alfalfa field. Finally, what, if any, information would you guys (and/or gals) here on the newsgroups offer a new-but-not-dumb person trying to get a hive started? I've already got a book (If memory serves me rightly, the title is "Practical Beekeeping" - I can't remember author right now. I do recall seeing a picture of it on one of the web pages I hit last night while surfing for bee-info, and noticing that it was listed as one of the highly recommended references) and I've done a fair bit of research over the years since I first considered the idea, so I'm not going in TOTALLY blind. I either already have, can easily get, or can make much of the hardware needed. About the only thing I'm missing right now (aside from knowledge and experience) is the trendy white coveralls, the veil, and the bees. So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? Hoping to hear some useful information, since I've already had the "you don' wanna do dat" speech... -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@primenet.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Article 28799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:59:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3aad0e65$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.33 X-Original-Trace: 12 Mar 2001 12:59:01 -0500, 141.219.66.33 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28799 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:257 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping Don Bruder wrote: > So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? > We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe > getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning > a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance > to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to > seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed > out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? I'd say you're doing fine, and going into this with your eyes about as wide open as anybody does. You should probably give all of the equipment that you are getting for free a really thorough going-over to look for signs of disease, particularly American Foulbrood, and be prepared to treat for mites right away, but other than that, go right ahead. As long as you are approaching this as a hobby that is likely to have setbacks from time to time, no problem. Incidentally, now is a good time to think about how you feel about getting stung. You *will* get stung, one way or another, and if you decide that one sting or twenty is all the same to you, then you can save a lot of money on the protective gear by just wearing one of those mosquito-proofing headnets (cost about $3 at WalMart, compared to $12-$20 for a regular bee veil). You can skip the gloves most of the time, and get a couple of latex surgical gloves (about 20 cents apiece) from the drugstore for the times that you *really* need gloves. Aside from that, clothing actually stops a lot of stings. Those that do get through, say, a thin shirt seem to be moderated quite a bit, probably because they don't penetrate so deep and a small motion of the cloth relative to the skin pulls it out before too much venom gets pumped in. Don't cheap out on your mite monitoring and treatment, though. With all the money saved on everything else, you'll be more able to afford the $10 per hive or so for mite control every year, right? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 28800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:24:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3aaccdfd.52671140@news1.radix.net> References: <20010312060112.20641.00000897@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28800 On 12 Mar 2001 11:01:12 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >Hi gang > a note here for all part timers and those of us who cant afford a "air nailer >" > >I've tried electric staplers but they didn't work, but i found a new tool this >weekend that is just great. > >Its made by Sears Craftsman, its a new type of staple gun that shoots 9/16 brad >nails as well as staples. >It's the best thing since buttered toast, it sinks those brads right on into >the wedge cleats good an tight. Man what a time saver!!!!! > >Its just a hand held manual stapler, got a big handle makes it easier to use. >No more tack hammering. makes loading foundation a breeze !! > >cost was 20.00 US > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > There is an electric paneling nailer out there that works equally well. beekeep Article 28801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Mar 2001 13:58:43 GMT References: <3aaccdfd.52671140@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Message-ID: <20010312085843.16816.00000968@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28801 I paid around 100$ US for an Airy brad nailer. it shoots from 5/16 to 1-9/16. Came with 5000 brads. It nails frames, inner covers bottom boards and fingers equally well. Article 28802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <98i1nk$siq$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: I am so sorry! Lines: 51 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 984419191 12.73.40.132 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28802 Hanging the laundry out again! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Apimo" wrote in message news:98i1nk$siq$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > I thought all was OK, but no. The software was working here by me, and that > is only the gurantie I can give, but this time, I succeded building in a > nice error. that prevented the software from running on new computers with > new install. If you can see me now I am frightened out of my wits, and > whatever I can write I am very sorry, more than you can imagine. > > Who saw the rrroe could not initialize the engine????? > > Please write me and I will do what ican to get this as undone as possible. > (CD). > > The working archive is now in place. > > > -- > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. > all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen > breeder > free of charge up to 10 hives. > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > > > > > > Article 28803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news.phx.gblx.net!dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:59:18 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 135 Message-ID: <98j69s$8n5$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <3aad0e65$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64-212-194-240.nas8.roc.gblx.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@gblx.net X-Posted-By: @64.212.194.240 (dakidd) User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28803 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:258 In article <3aad0e65$1@mtunews.mtu.edu>, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > In sci.agriculture.beekeeping Don Bruder wrote: > > > So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? > > We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe > > getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning > > a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance > > to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to > > seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed > > out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? > > I'd say you're doing fine, and going into this with your eyes about > as wide open as anybody does. You should probably give all of the > equipment that you are getting for free a really thorough going-over > to look for signs of disease, particularly American Foulbrood, and > be prepared to treat for mites right away, but other than that, > go right ahead. As long as you are approaching this as a hobby that > is likely to have setbacks from time to time, no problem. There's a load off :) I know (from pictures and reading) what to look for in terms of foulbrood in an active hive, but since I've got "dead" boxes, what would I be looking for in them to tell? Would cloroxing them be a wise preventative move? I'm already planning on a hot-water dip and some scraping to remove what wax there is in/on them, so adding some clorox to the mix would be a simple alteration to my plans. I've considerd leaving what drawn comb there is on the plastic foundation alone, but it's heavily discolored, and in some places, just plain melted, so I've pretty well scrapped that idea, and my working plan now is to go with the hot water and scrape regimen to strip everything totally bare before putting any bees in. > Incidentally, now is a good time to think about how you feel about > getting stung. You *will* get stung, one way or another, and if you Wise advice. However, if I'm willing to get close enough to a working hive to have the bees bouncing off of me as they come and go while digging out parts to make another hive, do you think I'm severely worried about a sting or three? :) > decide that one sting or twenty is all the same to you, then you can As long as we aren't talking 20 *AT ONCE*, I'm probably going to be able to cope just fine. Been stung before, probably will be again, never been *PARTICULARLY* bothered by any but one that got me just behind the ear one time. That's gotta be the worst one I ever had... felt like somebody hit me upside the head with a baseball bat, complete with a flash of light, then *THROBBED* for about 15 minutes. Otherwise, Yeah, it smarts, but unless I've developed an allergy since my last sting, it's pretty non-fatal. > save a lot of money on the protective gear by just wearing one of > those mosquito-proofing headnets (cost about $3 at WalMart, compared > to $12-$20 for a regular bee veil). You can skip the gloves most of the Y'know, I was actually considering the idea of trying to cook up a veil (from fiberglass window screen) that I could attatch to my Stetson. Not so much for the "cheap" concept, but just to see if I could come up with something useful. I'm going into this whole thing as a "play with it" hobby, and what better way to "play" than to try improving the tools, y'know? :) > time, and get a couple of latex surgical gloves (about 20 cents apiece) Dang... you're paying a *LOT* for surgical gloves! We pick 'em up for about $2.50 per box of 200 at Costco. > from the drugstore for the times that you *really* need gloves. > Aside from that, clothing actually stops a lot of stings. Those > that do get through, say, a thin shirt seem to be moderated quite > a bit, probably because they don't penetrate so deep and a small motion > of the cloth relative to the skin pulls it out before too much venom > gets pumped in. Warning: Story of evil kid behavior follows... I recall a time, when I was a goofy kid, suiting up to go hive-raiding on a hot July day in northern Michigan. I knew where there were a bunch of hives in a nearby apple orchard, and I was by-god gonna get me some honey! Two pairs of jeans, a couple rubber bands for the legs, an extra pair of high-top socks to pull over the cuffs, two long-sleeve sweatshirts, two full-face ski masks like the bank robbers wear (How appropriate, I thought, since I was going to rob a hive), a knit scarf to seal the gap between ski masks and sweatshirts, and a pair of leather mitts with the heavy knit liners. The ski masks went on with one "frontwise", and the next "backwards" so I was looking out through the "proper" hole of one, then actually looking through the fabric of the second. Everything else went on as might be imagined. On, as I said, a hot (probably 90+) July day, with the sun beating down and trying to cook some sense into my honey-fevered little brain-cell. (looking back over the years at some of my kid-antics, I'm pretty sure I probably only had the one back in those days...) Thus prepared, off I went, figuring I was king of the world. After sweating my way up the slope to where the hives were, I picked out a likely target, and set to work. A broken branch made a fine "thump bar" to knock the lid loose, and I got a hive opened up. Of course, the bees came boiling out immediately after the first thump, and then they *REALLY* started boiling when I peeled the lid off, and of course, I was a little bit freaked, but hey... I was safe in my "armor" and didn't pay much attention to them after the first few seconds without getting a sting. Confident in the protection of my layers, I went to work trying to get a frame loose. My pocket knife made a crude but effective "hive tool" to break the first frame loose (once I figured out how things were arranged inside, that is...) and I had managed to fumble one frame out, and was working on another, when a lone bee managed to crawl under the cuff of one of the mitts to zap me on the wrist. Being the youngster I was (I think I was all of 10 or 12 at the time) I dropped everything (my knife went into the hive - I had fun explaining to grandpa why I needed a new one) and ran like hell, with a cloud of peeved bees following, just like a Yogi bear cartoon. I think I even remember them forming the cartoon "arrow-cloud" behind me. :) :) So much for my career as a hive-robber. In hindsight, I should have added a couple more rubber bands on the cuffs of the mitts, but... I was young and dumb. When I stripped down, I found dozens and dozens of stingers in the outer layer of sweatshirt and jeans, but the only one that actually made contact with flesh was the one that got under the cuff of the mitt. I'd have to agree... normal clothing can go a LONG way in preventing stings. > Don't cheap out on your mite monitoring and treatment, though. With > all the money saved on everything else, you'll be more able to afford > the $10 per hive or so for mite control every year, right? One can only hope :) Thanks for the commentary! -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@primenet.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Article 49597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: European hornet problem Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:37:22 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49597 What's the best way to deal with European hornets (big yellow hornets, we got 'em in the south) harassing my hives? They're not a problem now, but later in the summer, they kill & eat a lot of bees. Anything I can do about them? Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL (North AL) rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 49598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European hornet problem Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:11:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49598 Yes. Trap them out. Use a jar with two holes in the lid, about the size of a pencil. Place some jam or 'jelly' plus water with a few drops of liquid detergent to about 1/2 full. The wasps go after the sticky, get into the jar, can't get out and end up drowning. If you start them early enough you can keep the nest under control to even wipe them out. You're removing the foragers! I place two or three around each yard, change and recharge when necessary. Eventually the problem becomes manageable. Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** > What's the best way to deal with European hornets (big yellow hornets, we > got 'em in the south) harassing my hives? They're not a problem now, but > later in the summer, they kill & eat a lot of bees. Anything I can do about > them? Article 49599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Mar 2001 03:11:47 GMT References: <3AB0E6AD.3965317A@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! Message-ID: <20010315221147.00571.00001499@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49599 From: michael palmer mpalmer@together.net >Hmm... Do wasps behave differently in warm climates? Some do survive the winter in central and south Florida, so I presume they would in San Diego. They don't make it thru winter here in South Carolina. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 49600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Get the updates Plase! Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:25:11 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 19 Message-ID: <98slmr$c5s$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip21.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984734235 12476 195.215.97.21 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49600 I know some are interested! Please get the update that removes the errors. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 49532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!eanews1.unisys.com!plnews.pl.unisys.com!not-for-mail From: "Clive Tooth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: All your bees are belong to us. Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:17:16 -0000 Organization: We get signal. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <98ae1c$m2i$1@mail.pl.unisys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.39.129.234 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49532 For great justice. -- Clive Tooth http://www.pisquaredoversix.force9.co.uk/ End of document Article 49533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: George's PINK PAGES March 2001 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:37:39 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.29 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.29 Message-ID: <3aa8dc80_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 9 Mar 2001 08:37:04 -0500, 64.208.65.29 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.29 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49533 Greetings! Updated pages: George's PINK PAGES March 2001 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/contentpages/articles.html -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 49534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Confused? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:42:28 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 23 Message-ID: <98b0o4$cku$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip122.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984155716 12958 195.215.97.122 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49534 Bidata is win98/NT software despit of the naming of the archive. Registration have changed. $US45 for a twenty hive registration included a CD. $US100 for a full registration CD included. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 49535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Confused? Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:05:27 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 43 Message-ID: <98b224$g1a$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <98b0o4$cku$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip83.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984157060 16426 195.249.242.83 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49535 sorry should have gone private! -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Jorn Johanesson" skrev i en meddelelse news:98b0o4$cku$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > Bidata is win98/NT software despit of the naming of the archive. > > Registration have changed. $US45 for a twenty hive registration included a > CD. > > $US100 for a full registration CD included. > > -- > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. > all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen > breeder > free of charge up to 10 hives. > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > Article 49536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Veil.... Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:27:18 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49536 Heya... I have 2 veils. One ive never used that has the strings attached in the back...and a loop in the front. How do I tie this thing on...doesn't seem to fit as snug as the one with strings attached in the front. Joe -- ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/joe.html ===================================== Article 49537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 30 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Mar 2001 20:55:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veil.... Message-ID: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49537 Run the strings through the loop. Down to your hips across your waist and tie in front. My strings shrunk over winter. Taliban's supreme commander, Mullah Mohammed Omar can kiss my ass. Article 49538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veil.... Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:13:20 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49538 Hmm...dunno if there is enough string on mine either...but i will try that. You say your strings shrunk or is it something else has grown...lol... Click on my link and see what NOT eating honey will do...hehe thanks man...Joe ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/joe.html ===================================== Article 49539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veil.... Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:22:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3aa95764.82205961@news1.radix.net> References: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49539 On 09 Mar 2001 20:55:40 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Run the strings through the loop. Down to your hips across your waist and tie >in front. > >My strings shrunk over winter. > Once the season gets underway and they have you going 24/7 they get longer. beekeep Article 49540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.191.133 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 984181953 212.137.191.133 (Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:52:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:52:33 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49540 "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:lo6gatkur4i3fjjocnisdsrmv7cu18v3gf@4ax.com... > Interesting to hear the comments. In the UK cedar is used (in the > main) for hive bodies etc and painting seems to be frowned upon, they > prefer to treat with preservative recommended for use with bees. I > think the reason depends upon climate. In the UK we are a little damp! > Therefore to seal wood with paint stops any breathing. Also pine (or > at least the pine we get here in the UK) would not last five minutes. > > Having said that I do know of a couple of people using pine. ------------------------ I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is far to high - and woodpeckers love it! Paint is not favoured because it seals in water and the wood rots - a wood preservative that soaks in to the wood is far better or, best of all in my opinion, the wood can be dipped in hot paraffin wax. Once you start painting you have to keep going and if it starts to peel then you really need to strip the lot and start again. Unpainted hives are also less obvious to thieves and vandals than white painted ones. Article 49541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.130!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Mar 2001 05:13:43 GMT References: <20010309155540.23450.00000602@ng-fd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veil.... Message-ID: <20010310001343.00549.00000599@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49541 >My strings shrunk over winter. >From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) That's why I gave up strings. My wife makes my veils out of black tulle, which is kinda fragile, but offers the best vision of any material. She started making them when Dadant quit selling them. She uses elastic in them, but no strings. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 49542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Mar 2001 14:23:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veil.... Message-ID: <20010310092355.00602.00000622@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49542 Nice work, I could lose 50 myself and not die. Article 49543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAA4C73.4770A04C@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame spacers References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:46:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 984238686 206.231.24.89 (Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:38:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:38:06 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49543 This is the whole idea. To make it easier to uncap. Fat combs are easier to uncap. I don't use frame spacers. I find it easier to use a spacing tool. Try scraping the rabbets when a spacer is present! My biggest objection to spacers concerns mostly brood combs. There is a difference in spacing between worker brood and honey combe. Bees build honey comb fatter than worker brood. When brood combs are spaced, by spacers, to honey comb spacing. much drone comb is constructed. Many good worker combs can be ruined in this way. J wrote: > I don't use spacers. In my opinion if you use spacers the bees will > draw the comb out further. This means when you uncap it's either harder > to take just the cap, or you cut off more of the comb when cutting back > to level with the frame. > > Mike wrote: > > > > I am VERY new to beekeeping, and have done some reading about bees, > > hives ect. > > > > In all the books they talk about "bee space" and I understand all that. > > > > Hive bodies, & supers are built to hold 10 frames for....."bee space"!! > > > > Now in some catalogs I see FRAME SPACERS for 9 or 8 frames. > > > > I don't understand ??? > > > > Why would you want less frames ??? > > > > Thank You for Your Time, > > -= Mike =- Article 49544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame spacers Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:47:44 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 13 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <98e7e0$2o4$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: <20010306092901.15387.00000007@ng-fg1.aol.com> <3AA57126.4BB7ED89@NOTaol.com> <3AAA4C73.4770A04C@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 984260864 2820 24.95.169.25 (10 Mar 2001 21:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:47:44 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49544 In article <3AAA4C73.4770A04C@together.net>, mpalmer@together.net says... > >This is the whole idea. To make it easier to uncap. Fat combs are easier to >uncap. I don't use frame spacers. I find it easier to use a spacing tool. Try >scraping the rabbets when a spacer is present! > My biggest objection to spacers concerns mostly brood combs. There is a >difference in spacing between worker brood and honey combe. Bees build honey >comb fatter than worker brood. When brood combs are spaced, by spacers, to >honey comb spacing. much drone comb is constructed. Many good worker combs >can be ruined in this way. (ditto) Article 49545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:31:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 984264241 nnrp-13:8886 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49545 In article , Steven Newport writes >Interesting to hear the comments. In the UK cedar is used (in the >main) for hive bodies etc and painting seems to be frowned upon, they >prefer to treat with preservative recommended for use with bees. There's no point painting (red) cedar. It lasts and lasts without preservative. If needed a cuprinol type bee friendly coat is all that is needed to keep the wood good for more years. I have some that must be 50 years old that have probably never been treated. > I >think the reason depends upon climate. In the UK we are a little damp! >Therefore to seal wood with paint stops any breathing. Also pine (or >at least the pine we get here in the UK) would not last five minutes. Some of us make our own from 12mm ply and they work out a small but significant % cheaper than Thorne's cedar seconds which are superb quality with a few knots only. -- James Kilty Article 49546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preserving Hive Bodies Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:32:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 984264244 nnrp-13:8886 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 6 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49546 In article , Me writes all snipped Sometimes we like to reply off list. To you (you@home.com>? -- James Kilty Article 49547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: 10 Mar 2001 19:06:05 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 43 Message-ID: <98eq2t0gh@drn.newsguy.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-674.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49547 Peter said, about painting of hives in the UK: > Paint is not favoured because it seals in water and the > wood rots - a wood preservative that soaks in to the wood > is far better or, best of all in my opinion, the wood can > be dipped in hot paraffin wax. To each his own, and certainly the UK holds the original patent on the damp/rainy day. There are a few points in favor of painting in areas where one has more sun, not the least of which is the lower solar gain and lower internal hive temperatures of a hive painted a light color versus a "natural wood" finish. As I recall, this newsgroup was the forum for a lengthy discussion of the "advantages" of dark-colored hive bodies in lowering varroa mite populations, but the trade-off was that these darker colors also produced less brood, and less honey. As I recall, the study sample size was a bit small, but the results were statistically significant. > Once you start painting you have to keep going and if it > starts to peel then you really need to strip the lot and > start again. True - painting implies eventual repainting. > Unpainted hives are also less obvious to thieves and > vandals than white painted ones. ...but who said anything about WHITE paint? :) All my woodenware is painted shades of greenish-yellow, just to blend in with the surrounding grasses and be unobtrusive. This is certainly not the best job of camouflage possible, but I have never seen a true "camouflaged hive". Come to think of it, "true camouflage" would be something that one would NEVER see, so I guess all I can say is that I have not seen any poor attempts at army-style camouflage. Honestly, most purists in the US DO paint their hives white. Most photos do show white equipment. Article 49548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAB6F73.23B67F91@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <98eq2t0gh@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:28:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 984313194 206.231.24.30 (Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:19:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:19:54 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49548 I prefer the rainbow effect. With all the new house construction in my area, there are lots of folks painting houses. Everybody seems to want their house one of the "new" colors. If the color isn't mixed just right, the homeowner complains. The storekeeper is left with gallons and gallons of "mistinted" paint. These can usually be gotten for free, or $5 a gallon. The only color I ever repainted was a lemon yellow. Too bright for me! Also, I think it better not to hide your bees. If you are friendly with the neighbors, they will tell you if the covers have blown off or a heifer has knocked some hives over. A reward of honey, and your phone number will work wonders. Mike James Fischer wrote: > ...but who said anything about WHITE paint? :) All my > woodenware is painted shades of greenish-yellow, just to > blend in with the surrounding grasses and be unobtrusive. > This is certainly not the best job of camouflage possible, > but I have never seen a true "camouflaged hive". > Honestly, most purists in the US DO paint their hives white. > Most photos do show white equipment. Article 49549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:06:21 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 11 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49549 On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two >hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are >pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is >far to high - and woodpeckers love it! I thought all Thornes hives were Cedar? I know a local bee keeping supplier close to me was looking at buying in pine bodies but decided against it because she felt they wouldn't last as long. Article 49550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:06 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.239.204 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 984350289 195.44.239.204 (Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:09 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49550 Thorne is not the only manufacturer of hives and just as well - I have just received their latest price list quoting £222.30 for a complete National hive - or £237.56 for a Langstroth! Local suppliers would sell you six pine ones for that much money. "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com... > On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two > >hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are > >pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is > >far to high - and woodpeckers love it! > > I thought all Thornes hives were Cedar? > I know a local bee keeping supplier close to me was looking at buying > in pine bodies but decided against it because she felt they wouldn't > last as long. Article 49551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!teaser.fr!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone comb & menthol questions Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:54:21 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49551 2 questions: 1) When reversing my hive bodies, I found that the bees had built a lot of drone comb on the bottoms of the frames, between the top (before I reversed them) and bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or remove it? In one hive, they had actually connected the bottoms of the top frames & the tops of the bottom frames, making a bit of a mess when I pulled them apart. 2) I used menthol in the fall. Do I need to use it again in the spring? Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom North Alabama rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 49552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAC447A.DE12D143@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <98eq2t0gh@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 X-Trace: +4LrtsY0c/dIpYajdFbwTKHs8yWgcJgRjR1/Z6AVcIKfNVSXBtABpWr0KC7psuL9PzHscqU08lVy!BKEymlI4i3Pfneml0K9Dxou3HD7zytMlQSYKHFhObJdFTep/rEoehI2RCt3s0Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:37:50 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:37:50 GMT Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49552 I paint my supers with an exterior oil based stain made by Cabot here in the US. My preferred color is a custom color I call calypso green. Stain will not peel like paint. It also cuts the steps in half since with paint one should prime new wood first. James Fischer wrote: > Peter said, about painting of hives in the UK: > > > Paint is not favoured because it seals in water and the > > wood rots - a wood preservative that soaks in to the wood > > is far better or, best of all in my opinion, the wood can > > be dipped in hot paraffin wax. > > To each his own, and certainly the UK holds the original > patent on the damp/rainy day. There are a few points in > favor of painting in areas where one has more sun, not > the least of which is the lower solar gain and lower > internal hive temperatures of a hive painted a light > color versus a "natural wood" finish. > > As I recall, this newsgroup was the forum for a lengthy > discussion of the "advantages" of dark-colored hive bodies > in lowering varroa mite populations, but the trade-off was > that these darker colors also produced less brood, and less > honey. As I recall, the study sample size was a bit small, > but the results were statistically significant. > > > Once you start painting you have to keep going and if it > > starts to peel then you really need to strip the lot and > > start again. > > True - painting implies eventual repainting. > > > Unpainted hives are also less obvious to thieves and > > vandals than white painted ones. > > ...but who said anything about WHITE paint? :) All my > woodenware is painted shades of greenish-yellow, just to > blend in with the surrounding grasses and be unobtrusive. > This is certainly not the best job of camouflage possible, > but I have never seen a true "camouflaged hive". > > Come to think of it, "true camouflage" would be something > that one would NEVER see, so I guess all I can say is that > I have not seen any poor attempts at army-style camouflage. > > Honestly, most purists in the US DO paint their hives white. > Most photos do show white equipment. Article 49553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I am so sorry! Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:42:23 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 36 Message-ID: <98i1nk$siq$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip30.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984386100 29274 195.215.97.30 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49553 I thought all was OK, but no. The software was working here by me, and that is only the gurantie I can give, but this time, I succeded building in a nice error. that prevented the software from running on new computers with new install. If you can see me now I am frightened out of my wits, and whatever I can write I am very sorry, more than you can imagine. Who saw the rrroe could not initialize the engine????? Please write me and I will do what ican to get this as undone as possible. (CD). The working archive is now in place. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 49554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!newspeer2.tds.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Mar 2001 11:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Message-ID: <20010312060112.20641.00000897@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49554 Hi gang a note here for all part timers and those of us who cant afford a "air nailer " I've tried electric staplers but they didn't work, but i found a new tool this weekend that is just great. Its made by Sears Craftsman, its a new type of staple gun that shoots 9/16 brad nails as well as staples. It's the best thing since buttered toast, it sinks those brads right on into the wedge cleats good an tight. Man what a time saver!!!!! Its just a hand held manual stapler, got a big handle makes it easier to use. No more tack hammering. makes loading foundation a breeze !! cost was 20.00 US Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 49555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:24:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3aaccdfd.52671140@news1.radix.net> References: <20010312060112.20641.00000897@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49555 On 12 Mar 2001 11:01:12 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >Hi gang > a note here for all part timers and those of us who cant afford a "air nailer >" > >I've tried electric staplers but they didn't work, but i found a new tool this >weekend that is just great. > >Its made by Sears Craftsman, its a new type of staple gun that shoots 9/16 brad >nails as well as staples. >It's the best thing since buttered toast, it sinks those brads right on into >the wedge cleats good an tight. Man what a time saver!!!!! > >Its just a hand held manual stapler, got a big handle makes it easier to use. >No more tack hammering. makes loading foundation a breeze !! > >cost was 20.00 US > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > There is an electric paneling nailer out there that works equally well. beekeep Article 49556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Mar 2001 13:58:43 GMT References: <3aaccdfd.52671140@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Message-ID: <20010312085843.16816.00000968@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49556 I paid around 100$ US for an Airy brad nailer. it shoots from 5/16 to 1-9/16. Came with 5000 brads. It nails frames, inner covers bottom boards and fingers equally well. Article 49557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Veil.... Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:08:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 984416881 66.31.137.46 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:08:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:08:01 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49557 "BeArLc" wrote in message news:taibklrq3sd2f9@corp.supernews.com... > Heya... > > I have 2 veils. One ive never used that has the strings attached in the > back...and a loop in the front. How do I tie this thing on...doesn't seem > to fit as snug as the one with strings attached in the front. The trick is to run the strings under your arms (one on each side), and then through the loops in front. Then across your chest, around the back and tie in front. Unless they shrunk... ;-) -Steve Article 49558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news.phx.gblx.net!dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:23:13 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 124 Message-ID: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-137-142.nas3.roc.gblx.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@gblx.net X-Posted-By: @209.130.137.142 (dakidd) User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49558 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1380 Greetings from northern California... For the last several years, I've been kicking around the idea of getting into small-scale beekeeping. When I say small-scale, I mean *REALLY* small - 2, maybe 3 hives max. Nothing that even remotely resembles commercial level stuff. I don't much care about turning a profit, I just want a hobby-type setup that might turn out some honey for the biscuits. Recently, I've come into contact with a fellow who used to be into the game in a big way - We're talking several hundred (thousand?) hives that he used to shuttle around the area orchards for profit. From the way he tells the tale, mites hit him hard about 5-6 years back, and between that and his age, he decided it was time to bail out of the biz. As a result, he's got literally hundreds of abandoned hives, supers, frames, etc. piled in one corner of his alfalfa field, some in various states of rotting away, others in near-new condition, several buzzing merrily away with swarms he says he hasn't done anything with other than look at as he drove past on the tractor for the past 2-3 years, but most dead and silent. Since I've got an interest (and not much of a budget) I asked him about 'em. I got the whole story of him bailing out, and to make a long story short, I'm welcome to however many of 'em I feel like carting away, including, if I feel brave enough, the ones that are buzzing, so long as I leave one "live one" for him to maybe tinker with if he gets the urge to do so. So yesterday, after putting a load of hay on the pickup, I stopped on the way out, he helped me do some picking and choosing, and I loaded up the makings for a 10-frame hive in the cab - bottom box (an 8-ish inch high super with bottom board/landing platform nailed on) a second 8-ish inch super, 20 frames, 15 with plastic foundation, 5 with bare wires for wax foundation, and a lid that's rigged for a 2-liter bottle feeder. Plus, of course, I can go back and get whatever else I think I might need next time I go get a load of hay from him. "Great," sez I... "I've got me a Bee-starter-kit. Just add bees, sugar-water, and brain-power." So the first thing I do after getting home and unloading the hay is get on the phone to a local apiary looking for how much it's gonna cost me to install a batch of buzzers in my nifty new box. This is where I got "stung", you might say... Joe Beekeeper (not his real name, obviously) did everything he could, up to and including flat-out telling me that I was friggin' NUTS, to persuade me that I didn't want anything to do with the game, that all I was gonna get out of it was a box of dead bees and disappointment, I was gonna spend money from here to tuesday and not see anything come of it, and just basically "YOU DON'T WANNA DO THIS, but if you insist, I'll cheerfully take your money, supply you with bees I know are going to die, and then tell you "I told ya so" when you decide you've had enough frustration and offer to sell me your hives, which I won't give you anything for because I've already got so many I can't use 'em all for my own operation." A seriously "rosy" picture... A frat-hazing to the tune of "You maggot!" might have been a tad easier to swallow, but I'm not one to take "no" for an answer, and slowly, as I kept insisting that I was going into the game with eyes open, no delusions about swimming around in a lake of honey and/or money, was willing to bust my hump (after all, I know about hobbies where your money literally turns to shit - I'm a horseman) for little or no return other than the enjoyment of doing it, and so on, he finally started to "lighten up" a bit and actually dispense some information. In the end, we reached an agreement: On Thursday night, I'm going over to his place to set his computer up for internet access, show him the basics of going online, and get him hooked up. In exchange, I'm gonna get a queen and some bees, some basic tools, and as much bee-education as I can soak up. Barter in action at it's finest! :) Now to get the hive I have cleaned up and ready for new inhabitants... Now, the point of this whole ramble: Is the "NO YOU CRAZY FOOL!!! DON'T DO IT!!!" speech fairly typical (this is about the third time I've gotten it over the last 3-4 years and 4-5 inquiries to various beekeepers in three states) or have I just stumbled onto folks who are sour on the whole biz? I mean, are we talking a "boot-camp" style hazing that every rookie gets to try to gauge their "serious level" and weed out the ones that think they're gonna turn a quick buck without effort, or has beekeeping really become as difficult as the folks I've been talking to seem to imply? George (the fellow I'm getting my boxes from) tells me he was pretty much wiped out by mites, but the "wave" seems to have passed, since he's had several of his abandoned hives "come to life" and survive for 2-3 years with no intervention. As evidence, I can only offer his claim and the 4 hives (that I could tell... there may have been more) that are buzzing right now out there in his "junkpile" - If those weren't healthy, happy, fully-functional bees that were so thick they were bouncing off me as they came and went, then I'm a TOTAL idiot. The one that sat on (nope, she didn't sting - why would she?) my finger long enough for me to get a good look at sure didn't appear to have any problem other than slighly ratty wings - Not real surprising, since she's probably been mondo-busy wth the almond orchard that's in blossom on the other side of the alfalfa field. Finally, what, if any, information would you guys (and/or gals) here on the newsgroups offer a new-but-not-dumb person trying to get a hive started? I've already got a book (If memory serves me rightly, the title is "Practical Beekeeping" - I can't remember author right now. I do recall seeing a picture of it on one of the web pages I hit last night while surfing for bee-info, and noticing that it was listed as one of the highly recommended references) and I've done a fair bit of research over the years since I first considered the idea, so I'm not going in TOTALLY blind. I either already have, can easily get, or can make much of the hardware needed. About the only thing I'm missing right now (aside from knowledge and experience) is the trendy white coveralls, the veil, and the bees. So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? Hoping to hear some useful information, since I've already had the "you don' wanna do dat" speech... -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@primenet.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Article 49559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <98i1nk$siq$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: I am so sorry! Lines: 51 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 984419191 12.73.40.132 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:31 GMT Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49559 Hanging the laundry out again! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Apimo" wrote in message news:98i1nk$siq$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > I thought all was OK, but no. The software was working here by me, and that > is only the gurantie I can give, but this time, I succeded building in a > nice error. that prevented the software from running on new computers with > new install. If you can see me now I am frightened out of my wits, and > whatever I can write I am very sorry, more than you can imagine. > > Who saw the rrroe could not initialize the engine????? > > Please write me and I will do what ican to get this as undone as possible. > (CD). > > The working archive is now in place. > > > -- > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. > all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen > breeder > free of charge up to 10 hives. > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > > > > > > > Article 49560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:59:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3aad0e65$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.33 X-Original-Trace: 12 Mar 2001 12:59:01 -0500, 141.219.66.33 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49560 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1381 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping Don Bruder wrote: > So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? > We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe > getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning > a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance > to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to > seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed > out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? I'd say you're doing fine, and going into this with your eyes about as wide open as anybody does. You should probably give all of the equipment that you are getting for free a really thorough going-over to look for signs of disease, particularly American Foulbrood, and be prepared to treat for mites right away, but other than that, go right ahead. As long as you are approaching this as a hobby that is likely to have setbacks from time to time, no problem. Incidentally, now is a good time to think about how you feel about getting stung. You *will* get stung, one way or another, and if you decide that one sting or twenty is all the same to you, then you can save a lot of money on the protective gear by just wearing one of those mosquito-proofing headnets (cost about $3 at WalMart, compared to $12-$20 for a regular bee veil). You can skip the gloves most of the time, and get a couple of latex surgical gloves (about 20 cents apiece) from the drugstore for the times that you *really* need gloves. Aside from that, clothing actually stops a lot of stings. Those that do get through, say, a thin shirt seem to be moderated quite a bit, probably because they don't penetrate so deep and a small motion of the cloth relative to the skin pulls it out before too much venom gets pumped in. Don't cheap out on your mite monitoring and treatment, though. With all the money saved on everything else, you'll be more able to afford the $10 per hive or so for mite control every year, right? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 49561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news.phx.gblx.net!dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:59:18 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 135 Message-ID: <98j69s$8n5$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <3aad0e65$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64-212-194-240.nas8.roc.gblx.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@gblx.net X-Posted-By: @64.212.194.240 (dakidd) User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49561 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1382 In article <3aad0e65$1@mtunews.mtu.edu>, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > In sci.agriculture.beekeeping Don Bruder wrote: > > > So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? > > We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe > > getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning > > a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance > > to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to > > seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed > > out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? > > I'd say you're doing fine, and going into this with your eyes about > as wide open as anybody does. You should probably give all of the > equipment that you are getting for free a really thorough going-over > to look for signs of disease, particularly American Foulbrood, and > be prepared to treat for mites right away, but other than that, > go right ahead. As long as you are approaching this as a hobby that > is likely to have setbacks from time to time, no problem. There's a load off :) I know (from pictures and reading) what to look for in terms of foulbrood in an active hive, but since I've got "dead" boxes, what would I be looking for in them to tell? Would cloroxing them be a wise preventative move? I'm already planning on a hot-water dip and some scraping to remove what wax there is in/on them, so adding some clorox to the mix would be a simple alteration to my plans. I've considerd leaving what drawn comb there is on the plastic foundation alone, but it's heavily discolored, and in some places, just plain melted, so I've pretty well scrapped that idea, and my working plan now is to go with the hot water and scrape regimen to strip everything totally bare before putting any bees in. > Incidentally, now is a good time to think about how you feel about > getting stung. You *will* get stung, one way or another, and if you Wise advice. However, if I'm willing to get close enough to a working hive to have the bees bouncing off of me as they come and go while digging out parts to make another hive, do you think I'm severely worried about a sting or three? :) > decide that one sting or twenty is all the same to you, then you can As long as we aren't talking 20 *AT ONCE*, I'm probably going to be able to cope just fine. Been stung before, probably will be again, never been *PARTICULARLY* bothered by any but one that got me just behind the ear one time. That's gotta be the worst one I ever had... felt like somebody hit me upside the head with a baseball bat, complete with a flash of light, then *THROBBED* for about 15 minutes. Otherwise, Yeah, it smarts, but unless I've developed an allergy since my last sting, it's pretty non-fatal. > save a lot of money on the protective gear by just wearing one of > those mosquito-proofing headnets (cost about $3 at WalMart, compared > to $12-$20 for a regular bee veil). You can skip the gloves most of the Y'know, I was actually considering the idea of trying to cook up a veil (from fiberglass window screen) that I could attatch to my Stetson. Not so much for the "cheap" concept, but just to see if I could come up with something useful. I'm going into this whole thing as a "play with it" hobby, and what better way to "play" than to try improving the tools, y'know? :) > time, and get a couple of latex surgical gloves (about 20 cents apiece) Dang... you're paying a *LOT* for surgical gloves! We pick 'em up for about $2.50 per box of 200 at Costco. > from the drugstore for the times that you *really* need gloves. > Aside from that, clothing actually stops a lot of stings. Those > that do get through, say, a thin shirt seem to be moderated quite > a bit, probably because they don't penetrate so deep and a small motion > of the cloth relative to the skin pulls it out before too much venom > gets pumped in. Warning: Story of evil kid behavior follows... I recall a time, when I was a goofy kid, suiting up to go hive-raiding on a hot July day in northern Michigan. I knew where there were a bunch of hives in a nearby apple orchard, and I was by-god gonna get me some honey! Two pairs of jeans, a couple rubber bands for the legs, an extra pair of high-top socks to pull over the cuffs, two long-sleeve sweatshirts, two full-face ski masks like the bank robbers wear (How appropriate, I thought, since I was going to rob a hive), a knit scarf to seal the gap between ski masks and sweatshirts, and a pair of leather mitts with the heavy knit liners. The ski masks went on with one "frontwise", and the next "backwards" so I was looking out through the "proper" hole of one, then actually looking through the fabric of the second. Everything else went on as might be imagined. On, as I said, a hot (probably 90+) July day, with the sun beating down and trying to cook some sense into my honey-fevered little brain-cell. (looking back over the years at some of my kid-antics, I'm pretty sure I probably only had the one back in those days...) Thus prepared, off I went, figuring I was king of the world. After sweating my way up the slope to where the hives were, I picked out a likely target, and set to work. A broken branch made a fine "thump bar" to knock the lid loose, and I got a hive opened up. Of course, the bees came boiling out immediately after the first thump, and then they *REALLY* started boiling when I peeled the lid off, and of course, I was a little bit freaked, but hey... I was safe in my "armor" and didn't pay much attention to them after the first few seconds without getting a sting. Confident in the protection of my layers, I went to work trying to get a frame loose. My pocket knife made a crude but effective "hive tool" to break the first frame loose (once I figured out how things were arranged inside, that is...) and I had managed to fumble one frame out, and was working on another, when a lone bee managed to crawl under the cuff of one of the mitts to zap me on the wrist. Being the youngster I was (I think I was all of 10 or 12 at the time) I dropped everything (my knife went into the hive - I had fun explaining to grandpa why I needed a new one) and ran like hell, with a cloud of peeved bees following, just like a Yogi bear cartoon. I think I even remember them forming the cartoon "arrow-cloud" behind me. :) :) So much for my career as a hive-robber. In hindsight, I should have added a couple more rubber bands on the cuffs of the mitts, but... I was young and dumb. When I stripped down, I found dozens and dozens of stingers in the outer layer of sweatshirt and jeans, but the only one that actually made contact with flesh was the one that got under the cuff of the mitt. I'd have to agree... normal clothing can go a LONG way in preventing stings. > Don't cheap out on your mite monitoring and treatment, though. With > all the money saved on everything else, you'll be more able to afford > the $10 per hive or so for mite control every year, right? One can only hope :) Thanks for the commentary! -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@primenet.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Article 49562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beetle Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:06:21 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3AAD3A4C.E6039FF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49562 I received this through another newsgroup - I have no reason to doubt its authenticity. ------------------------------------ In Merced County, California small hive beetles or SHB (Aethina tumida Murray) were discovered during a routine apiary strength inspection of 198 colonies on February 28, 2001. CDFA Meadowview lab confirmed the sample on March 2. The bees were originally purchased from an out-of-business Florida based operation. The colonies traveled from Florida to Maine to North Dakota and then to California in October of 2000. ------------------------------------ Article 49563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Westall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: References: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> <20010305185354.22312.00000582@ng-bk1.news.cs.com> <3aa4340d.805948391@news1.radix.net> <3aa4d049.845928440@news1.radix.net> <65o9ats0h97sdk4gvr95bbfv9p3gq6bu3b@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 90 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:40:20 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.227.62.99 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 984436776 63.227.62.99 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:39:36 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:39:36 CST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49563 This is kind of late to the thread. We're still a month away from bee season here and all free time is consumed with preparations. ----------------------------------------- Even if the (one-way) bee escape worked, it's at best a short term solution. Greg (beekeep) is right concerning the ability of bees to find another entrance. I've seen bees march across the other side of a roof when one entrance was closed. EVEN if you could find every entrance (nearly impossible even on newly constructed houses with fresh caulking) the smell of rotting brood later in the summer would shortly convince you that it was the wrong decision. Depending on how hot your area gets during summer, you might find a nice pool of wax and honey slurry waiting at the bottom of your fireplace. Bees (alive) keep a hive from melting down. My solution? Stuff insulation up into the chimney to fill the inside so bees can't find their way into your house. That seems to be Dennis Haisten's objection to the bees. If you were to let a beehive live in your house, the chimney would be the perfect location. Long term solution? Find a beekeeper whom is willing to do what's known as "The cone method". It basically forces a majority of the workforce out of the hive and into another (beekeeper's) hive immediately outside the entrance. Bees fly out and can't return so they use the new hive as a 'cheap' substitute. When the bulk of the hive is trapped out and the hive is requeened, the trap (cone) is removed and the hive inside your chimney is robbed out. Bees are thorough in robbing. Everything but wax comes out - honey & dead brood. When they are finished robbing the beekeeper removes the new hive. Following the removal, you must seal the entrance(s) or another swarm will eventurally find the robbed out hive. You could also have the chimney more easily cleaned once the honey is robbed. The cone method is rather tricky since the beekeeper has to monitor each stage of the activity and add a new queen with brood as things get under way. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:24:17 +0000, Kidney John wrote: >On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:56:45 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:37:32 +0000, Kidney John >> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 00:50:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >>> >>>>On 05 Mar 2001 23:53:54 GMT, dhaist77@cs.com (Dhaist77) wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have a unique problem. The bees are a the top of my 60 foot chimmney, between >>>>>the inner chimmeny and outer "false" chimmney. It is not accessible without 1) >>>>>building 60 feet of scofloding(sp) and 2)spending several hundred dollars to >>>>>remove the chimmney crown and cap. About a dozen a day make their way down the >>>>>chimmney into the living room where they sting my children and eventually >>>>>die(the bees). Any suggestions? >>>>>Dennis Haisten >>>> >>>>A good fire in the fire place might just do the trick. Of coarse if >>>>they have been there awhile and filled the chimney with wax and honey >>>>you are going to have a real problem on your hands. >>>> >>>>beekeep >>> >>>If you can see where the bees are entering and exiting, you could fit a >>>bee escape (one-way) so that, over a relatively short period, all the >>>foragers will be excluded, and the colony (what's left of it) will >>>perish. >>>-- >>>kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >>>TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm >> >>If the chimney is that bad chances are they will find a way around the >>the cone. >> >>beekeep > >True. >Extra entrances can be closed, though (assuming you can find them all, >or reach them). >I'm probably clutching at straws here, but that's because I hate the >idea of killing the bees, but sometimes it's the only answer. Article 49564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:44:46 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 12 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49564 Who ??? Where do you buy from? Steele & Brodie are/were? there only other UK primary supplier. Who else is making hives? Its not that I don't believe you, honestly, I would just be very interested to see about buying them. On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:06 -0000, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Thorne is not the only manufacturer of hives and just as well - I have just >received their latest price list quoting £222.30 for a complete National >hive - or £237.56 for a Langstroth! Article 49565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <98ae1c$m2i$1@mail.pl.unisys.com> Subject: Re: All your bees are belong to us. Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:10:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 984442205 24.163.160.238 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:10:05 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:10:05 CST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49565 "Clive Tooth" wrote in message news:98ae1c$m2i$1@mail.pl.unisys.com... > For great justice. > > -- > Clive Tooth > http://www.pisquaredoversix.force9.co.uk/ > End of document All your hives are belong to us! Nice Q*bert score! That was my favorite game. That is all... Article 49566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AAD84AA.642D74DA@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! References: <3aaccdfd.52671140@news1.radix.net> <20010312085843.16816.00000968@ng-fe1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:23:38 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 984442761 208.235.28.15 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:19:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:19:21 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49566 BeeCrofter wrote: > It nails frames, inner covers bottom boards and fingers equally well. I hear that!!! AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 49567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Leif Woodman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New tool for wedge cleats !!!! Message-ID: <03rqato29r6bnul1ef9tfduomtc81bek92@4ax.com> References: <20010312060112.20641.00000897@ng-cn1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:43:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.24.98.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rochester.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 984444181 66.24.98.101 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:43:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:43:01 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Rochester NY Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49567 On 12 Mar 2001 11:01:12 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >Hi gang > a note here for all part timers and those of us who cant afford a "air nailer >" > >I've tried electric staplers but they didn't work, but i found a new tool this >weekend that is just great. > >Its made by Sears Craftsman, its a new type of staple gun that shoots 9/16 brad >nails as well as staples. >It's the best thing since buttered toast, it sinks those brads right on into >the wedge cleats good an tight. Man what a time saver!!!!! > >Its just a hand held manual stapler, got a big handle makes it easier to use. >No more tack hammering. makes loading foundation a breeze !! > >cost was 20.00 US > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I have an electric version of the staple gun that also does brads. I prefer my porter cable brad nailer. Does 3/4" to 2" and holds everything great, even the muscles in my leg. Article 49568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Mar 2001 00:58:27 GMT References: <3AAD3A4C.E6039FF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Message-ID: <20010312195827.00570.00000907@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49568 > >I received this through another newsgroup - I have no reason to doubt >its authenticity. >------------------------------------ >In Merced County, California small hive beetles or SHB (Aethina tumida >Murray) were discovered during a routine apiary strength inspection of >198 colonies on February 28, 2001. CDFA Meadowview lab confirmed the >sample on March 2. The bees were originally purchased from an >out-of-business >Florida based operation. The colonies traveled from Florida to Maine to >North >Dakota and then to California in October of 2000. >------------------------------------ > Everything sounds correct except for "out-of-business Florida based operation, that outfit is not out of business the man in Deland, FL is still going strong, David Miksa Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 49569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Mar 2001 03:56:13 GMT References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Message-ID: <20010312225613.05403.00000103@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49569 >From: Don Bruder dakidd@primenet.com >Hoping to hear some useful information, since I've already had the "you >don' wanna do dat" speech... Well Jesus weeded out many would-be disciples by telling them the hardships and reminding them to "count the cost." Those who still followed were serious. There are lots of resources for new beekeepers at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm I recommend that you start with the online course by Dr. Keith Delaplane. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 49570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Mar 2001 03:58:58 GMT References: <98j69s$8n5$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Message-ID: <20010312225858.05403.00000105@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49570 From: Don Bruder dakidd@primenet.com >There's a load off :) >I know (from pictures and reading) what to look for in terms of >foulbrood in an active hive, but since I've got "dead" boxes, what would >I be looking for in them to tell? http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 49571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AADB858.4EBA4A68@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <20010312225613.05403.00000103@ng-mo1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:04:08 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 984455941 208.235.28.41 (Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:59:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:59:01 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49571 Dave Green wrote: > > >From: Don Bruder dakidd@primenet.com > > >Hoping to hear some useful information, since I've already had the "you > >don' wanna do dat" speech... > > Well Jesus weeded out many would-be disciples by telling them the hardships > and reminding them to "count the cost." Those who still followed were serious. yeah, and repeatedly nodded off and when told not to, and sold him down the river.... AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 49572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:28:54 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AADA206.825C7A1E@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49572 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1383 Don: How wonderful that you will be getting into beekeeping. How sad that so many are trying to talk you out of it. Once you get started, you will discover a peace that you have never known. When you work with your bees the calmer you are the better. It is a wonderful way to learn a Zen way of acting. And your ladies will reward you for it. Your job as a beekeeper will be to help your ladies survive in a time when the humans have made their way harder than it should be. You will find that you have more time to stop and see the flowers. You will be amazed at how many blooms you have never seen that have been there all along. As a beekeeper you will become an expert on the weather, the length of summer and spring and fall. You will quickly learn to never ask an open-ended question of another beekeeper - you will never hear the end of it. You will learn that a bee spends her whole life gathering that nectar to make that honey, and that she flies from flower to flower to hive until her wings wear out. And, having learned this, the honey will taste that much sweeter because you appreciate their work. But most important of all, you will find that you now have 40,000 or more friends who will always listen to anything you have to say - and they will never judge your delivery. By all means, become a beekeeper. Join a beekeeping club. Read a lot of books. You will make plenty of mistakes, but they will make you wiser. Judy (A leader of 4H beekeepers) Don Bruder wrote: > Greetings from northern California... > Article 49573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeffrey A. Crowther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <988va7$an6$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Please respond if testing my software Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:03:11 +1100 Lines: 26 Organization: Poor, but getting better X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.40.39 Message-ID: <3aadb0b2$1_1@news01.one.net.au> X-Trace: 13 Mar 2001 16:31:30 +1100, 203.101.40.39 Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!203.101.40.39 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49573 Jorn I downloaded the BiData program 9/3/2001 and was planning to use it in the demo, 5 hive mode, to try it out. Unfortunately I am having a problem with the software. When starting the BiData program, it did not behave as stated in the manual. On startup, prior to the program running I get an error message "An error occurred while attempting to initialize the Borland Database Engine (error $2AO6)". Next I get the message "Unknown Database. Alias: DEFAULT1." At this point I have the basic screen showing the program info (Version number, Evaluation mode etc). When I try to start a new database set I receive the error message "Unknown database. Alias: DATA." I then get a password dialogue box. After I enter the password this box closes but nothing else happens. I just end up at the basic screen. I tried completely deleting the software followed by Norton Windoctor to make sure I have no problems with the system. After this I reinstalled the software but have exactly the same set of problems occur. The program states it is version 3.3.2.2 and is on a Windows 98 (second edition) IBM-compatible PC laptop. Any comments that you can suggest to get the software running would be welcome. Hope the information I have given is helpful. Article 49574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!news.phx.gblx.net!dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:41:11 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 55 Message-ID: <98kbtb$dc9$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> References: <98j69s$8n5$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <20010312225858.05403.00000105@ng-mo1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-148-25.nas3.roc.gblx.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@gblx.net X-Posted-By: @209.130.148.25 (dakidd) User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49574 In article <20010312225858.05403.00000105@ng-mo1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > From: Don Bruder dakidd@primenet.com > > >There's a load off :) > >I know (from pictures and reading) what to look for in terms of > >foulbrood in an active hive, but since I've got "dead" boxes, what would > >I be looking for in them to tell? > > http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm Hmmm... looks like there's no simple way to tell with the frames I've got, then... On the few frames I have with intact drawn comb, I can see nothing obviously bad. These frames all contain the plastic foundation. The comb on most of them is slumped and melted, presumably because it overheated during multiple seasons without any inhabitants. The "non-plastic" frames I have basically have a few clumps of distorted-beyond-recognition, very dark, nasty-looking wax hanging on the wires, if they have anything at all. Probably due to having been weathering for multiple years. At this stage of the game, I'm thinking I'll probably discard the "naked-wire" frames, and jsut go with the plastic foundation. Bringing along the wires was mainly for the sake of "Well, let's see what I can do with them, if anything". On the plastic frames, the slumped comb is fairly light in color, and is quite brittle (where it hasn't melted) almost like little paper hexagons. It doesn't "moosh" into a mass like I'd expect good wax to do. Instead, it more or less crumbles, or "powders away" when touched. Again, I'd suspect this is due to it weathering for multiple years. I probably don't need to do any scraping or hot water to get rid of it... by the way it acts, a dry brush would most likely remove it all quite nicely. Of course, I intend to hot water and bleach the bejeebers out of everything anyway as a sanitary precaution, but as far as mechanical removal of existing wax, it doesn't look as if there's going to be much effort involved. The few recognizable (not melted into a blob) cells show no sign of anything at all inside them. I would assume this means they were honey cells that were robbed clean over the years they were idle, as opposed to brood cells, and therefore, should be little or no risk as far as AFB? I imagine the fact that all the plastic frames I have were in upper-level supers tends to strengthen that supposition, since from the reading I've done, it seems to be more common practice (if not a practically-engraved-in-stone rule) to keep the brood frames isolated in the lower sections of the hive. The fellow I'm getting the gear from doesn't strike me as someone to go in for innovation - No insult to him intended, he just seems like a "strictly by the book" type - so I figure he probably went with "the standard way of doing things". -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@primenet.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Article 49575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Message-ID: <3aae1b71.963419921@west.usenetserver.com> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <3AADA206.825C7A1E@fuse.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:20:08 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:09:14 GMT Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49575 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1384 Very nice Judy .. I would also say you can invite the state bee inspector or any beekeeper over for a look .. most would be glad to spend some time with you. Until you see foul brood scales in old equipment, its not obvious, but once someone shows it to you, you've learned a step along the path. Dave www.libertybee.com Article 49576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Please respond if testing my software Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:10:55 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 41 Message-ID: <98l9ao$g25$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <988va7$an6$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <3aadb0b2$1_1@news01.one.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip23.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984492184 16453 195.249.242.23 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49576 I know that after I got informed from another beekeeper, so what you can do is to log on apimo again and then press the update button. It will bring you to the update page. there you can taake down the update software, and install this upon the previusly downloaded and installed software. This will then create the database and then exit. I have made it so because I want this software to work smothly without giving errors. After that you can use it in unlimitid time for 10 hives. I hope this will help you out. I have had problems getting this editon up because of IP problems, I was simply cut of from uploading software this is now fixed. information about Future updates can be send to you when big changes are made, but please inform me if this is OK then you will be added to the update group. best regards Jorn -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Jeffrey A. Crowther" skrev i en meddelelse news:3aadb0b2$1_1@news01.one.net.au... > Jorn > > I downloaded the BiData program 9/3/2001 and was planning to use it in the > demo, Article 49577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning up defecated-on frames? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:26:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 984493607 66.31.137.46 (Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:26:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:26:47 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49577 Hi, I am in southern Massachusetts, US, and found one dead-out last week. The cluster was a little small a few weeks ago, and defecating in the hive, mostly on the top bars of the top brood box. I gave them some Fumidil-B syrup, but no help. I found a couple patches of brood in all stages, egg -> capped, and the queen in the middle of a small bunch of bees. Some bees were dead head first in cells, but for the most part they were on the surface of the comb. I'm guessing they just got too weak, and last week's cold/snow blast did them in. I cleaned out the boxes and frames this weekend and didn't find any evidence of any disease like AFB.... I scraped off as much feces from top bars as I could. However, some ran down the sides of frames, across comb and sealed honey. Should I replace those frames before putting in more bees? How much can I expect the new bees to clean out? Thanks, -Steve Article 49578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Winnie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Is anyone selling beeswax in the UK? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:46:43 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <98lfd5$8dp$1@soap.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: staff2.gbb.uk.uu.net X-Trace: soap.pipex.net 984498405 8633 158.43.128.153 (13 Mar 2001 15:46:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:46:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49578 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1385 Hi there. I don't suppose any of you are selling beeswax, or know of a supplier, do you please? I'm looking for several pounds with which to treat all the wood in our 17thC timber house.Finding pure wax in any but the tiniest bars is quite hard, so any hints welcome! Thanks for your time Winnie (winny AT dial DOT pipex DOT com) xx Article 49579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <98lfd5$8dp$1@soap.pipex.net> Subject: Re: Is anyone selling beeswax in the UK? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <4wyr6.21976$Cq.566529@news2-hme0> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:00:13 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.179.94 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 984528000 212.137.179.94 (Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:00:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:00:00 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49579 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1386 I have well over 100 lbs of very clean wax available. "Winnie" wrote in message news:98lfd5$8dp$1@soap.pipex.net... > Hi there. I don't suppose any of you are selling beeswax, or know of a > supplier, do you please? I'm looking for several pounds with which to treat > all the wood in our 17thC timber house.Finding pure wax in any but the > tiniest bars is quite hard, so any hints welcome! > > Thanks for your time > > Winnie (winny AT dial DOT pipex DOT com) > xx > > Article 49580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning up defecated-on frames? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:43:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49580 "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:H6qr6.3550$G76.5440066@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... . > > I cleaned out the boxes and frames this weekend and didn't find any evidence > of any disease like AFB.... I scraped off as much feces from top bars as I > could. However, some ran down the sides of frames, across comb and sealed > honey. Should I replace those frames before putting in more bees? How much > can I expect the new bees to clean out? If you can fumigate with Acetic acid then the bees will clean the remaining stuff off the frames. Pile the boxes onto the floor and seal the roof and openings with duct tape. Then place a tin lid with Acetic acid on the floor and seal the entrance, leave for a few days. This will fumigate the frames to prevent the incoming bees from being infected with the Nosema spores. Regards Dave....-- ************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************** Article 49581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quality of Honey Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:47:15 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 78 Message-ID: <98n0l3011co@drn.newsguy.com> References: <988cdj$ouas$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-590.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49581 Allen Dick said: >I know that one of the best built, managed and certified honey packing >plants in the world darkens the honey it handles 100% from the time it >enters the plant to the time it leaves. The colour number doubles from >start to finish. When it leaves the plant it is pasteurized, filtered >so that the pollen is gone and IMO, it is not really honey anymore. >It is not the honey that I taste when I eat burr comb in the beeyard or >the honey I eat when I sample packaged comb honey from markets or stores. I think that it would be easy to form a 100% consensus that "heating, micro-filtering, and pasteurizing honey is bad", if not for the incentive that large-scale operations have to create a product with a longer "shelf life", a honey that will not crystallize. Consider the poor tomato. It has been cross-bred for properties that improve its ability to be harvested, packed, shipped, and shelved. Somewhere along the way, "flavor" and "texture" were compromised. Can honey avoid the same fate? Will packaging and marketing triumph again over all? Has it already done so? >Unfortunately, because most of the honey offered to the public >is either mass processed or from small operators who very often >misunderstand and mishandle honey, You clearly explained how large operators mangle honey, but how exactly do small operators mishandle honey? What are the most common errors in your view? I'd love to start making a list of the worst errors and the solutions, as I am sure that many small operators would wish to avoid errors, myself included. I can at least offer that smaller producers are less likely to blend, micro-filter, or pasteurize, simply due to a lack of the capital equipment required to commit these felonies upon honey. Sometimes, small really IS beautiful. >the public has turned slowly away from our product and we >are losing ground in the marketplace. Turned away? What with Honey cough-drops, Honey-Nut Breakfast Cereals, Honey-Flu medicines, and so on, it appears that "Honey" has a great reputation as a high-end sweetener. It appears that the robber-baron multinationals have done enough focus-group studies to conclude that one can sell more of ANYTHING if one simply puts the word "Honey" in front of it. This proves that honey is clearly a "value-added feature" to them. The trick now seems to be to start marketing honey from specific floral sources and/or areas, and take a page from the wine industry's play-book. Sadly, this forces the big operators who blend honey, micro-filter, and pasteurize into the position of selling "cheap beer" as compared to the smaller producers' "vintage wines", but there would be nothing stopping a large producer from marketing non-blended, not-so-filtered, unpasteurized honey. >Economics are driving the honey production and packing industry and our >product is a poor shadow of what the bees make. The fact remains that the >best honey is honey in the comb, and preferably comb made without >manufactured foundation. I think that all must admit that many people prefer extracted honey to in-the-comb honey, as there are a growing number who like "creamed" honey. While a true connoisseur like yourself may consider them "inferior", it might be more accurate to call them "different products". Also, you recently said that some imported honey had been tested and was found to contain 7% corn syrup. What if a simple requirement was made to require that all bulk honey be shipped from producer to packer IN THE CRYSTALLIZED STATE? I would think that this would eliminate some, perhaps much of the fraud. I may be wrong, but my impression has been that only real honey will crystallize. This might be an elegant way to avoid lots of expensive tests and complicated finger-pointing. Article 49582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:11:36 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Cleaning up defecated-on frames? Message-ID: <20010314081136.13310.00001331@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49582 I know you can get very strong acetic acid through a photogrophers supply. No doubt is is easily available through a chemical supply as well. It is also one of the chemicals the secret police monitor because it is used somehow to make street drugs. Article 49583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 27 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:33:57 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: British Beekeeper would like to see Nevada Bees Message-ID: <20010314103357.00548.00001234@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49583 Dear Robert I have had an e-mail from a beekeeper in this country who is visting Nevada shortly and wants to make contact with local beekeepers. I do not keep my customer list in state order so cannot find anything easily. If my memory serves me correctly, there is a Bee-List in the US and you are involved with this. Is it possible that we could use this to ask if anyone would be interested? Many thanks Gill respond to sales@thorne.co.uk Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 49584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Anne B." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:27:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49584 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1388 "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net... > Now, the point of this whole ramble: > Is the "NO YOU CRAZY FOOL!!! DON'T DO IT!!!" speech fairly typical (this > is about the third time I've gotten it over the last 3-4 years and 4-5 > inquiries to various beekeepers in three states) or have I just stumbled > onto folks who are sour on the whole biz? I mean, are we talking a > "boot-camp" style hazing that every rookie gets to try to gauge their > "serious level" and weed out the ones that think they're gonna turn a > quick buck without effort, or has beekeeping really become as difficult > as the folks I've been talking to seem to imply? I've never gotten this speech -- though certainly people who've lost hives to mites have told me about it -- no, I've only gotten encouragement. We're very small, too -- one hive -- we just wanted to have bees in the backyard cause we love them so. We don't even use the honey much -- we give it away. And we've had problems. But since you're not planning on making money, but are just planning on having a hobby, you don't have to worry about it. If it gets too expensive you can stop. It's so fascinating, though. The bees are really something. And you'll have lots of stories to tell the non-bee keepers. cheers, Anne B. (delurking) Article 49585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is anyone selling beeswax in the UK? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:36:27 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <98lfd5$8dp$1@soap.pipex.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 19 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49585 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1389 I am based in Worthing, West Sussex and may be able to supply. Where are you and how much do you require? Steven Newport On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:46:43 -0000, "Winnie" wrote: >Hi there. I don't suppose any of you are selling beeswax, or know of a >supplier, do you please? I'm looking for several pounds with which to treat >all the wood in our 17thC timber house.Finding pure wax in any but the >tiniest bars is quite hard, so any hints welcome! > >Thanks for your time > >Winnie (winny AT dial DOT pipex DOT com) >xx > Article 49586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <8KQr6.22372$Cq.574467@news2-hme0> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:09:53 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.182.188 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 984602628 212.137.182.188 (Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:43:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:43:48 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49586 Try David Cotterill - 01926 651668 "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:jnnqat4tnp0rrupo2i6h7q1k24re5ojs6o@4ax.com... > Who ??? Where do you buy from? > Steele & Brodie are/were? there only other UK primary supplier. Who > else is making hives? > Its not that I don't believe you, honestly, I would just be very > interested to see about buying them. > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:38:06 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Thorne is not the only manufacturer of hives and just as well - I have just > >received their latest price list quoting £222.30 for a complete National > >hive - or £237.56 for a Langstroth! Article 49587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:13:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Message-ID: <20010314161301.02698.00001387@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49587 If you win the lotto you can farm or keep bees as a business to your hearts content. If you keep bees for a hobby you will come closer to nature and never see a flower in quite the same way again. You will also meet an amazing number of people who remember their uncle or grandfather had a few hives out back somewhere. The first year most beginners are dressed like a nuclear accident. After they relax it gets much more casual. Have fun. Ask questions believe little. Article 49588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is anyone selling beeswax in the UK? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:34:17 +0000 Message-ID: <2vqoDVApBqr6EwNp@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <98lfd5$8dp$1@soap.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 984608678 nnrp-14:17446 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49588 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1390 In article <98lfd5$8dp$1@soap.pipex.net>, Winnie writes >Hi there. I don't suppose any of you are selling beeswax, or know of a >supplier, do you please? I'm looking for several pounds with which to treat >all the wood in our 17thC timber house.Finding pure wax in any but the >tiniest bars is quite hard, so any hints welcome! Thorne's at http://www.thorne.co.uk or mailto:sales@thorne.co.uk. They might tell you of a local supplier who sells wax from them or from local beekeepers. A slightly longer route might be to find out your local beekeepers association (library?) and make contact. Where do you live - I am sure we can find the address for you? -- James Kilty Article 49589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!ragnarok.cts.com!galanthis.cts.com!127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:46:26 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ab04939$0$39878$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.255.92 X-Trace: 984631609 nntp.cts.com 39878 dkern/204.216.255.92 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49589 A few months back I asked how to get rid of two yellow jacket hives I found in the ground around my property. Most said pour gas on it or let them live. Well, a few weeks ago I began to see some new skunks in the neighborhood. Shortly after that I found both + one hive I didn't see before dug up. The comb was spread out all over the ground. Some animal, I think the skunk, had mercy on me and fixed my problem. They did an excellent job of getting rid of all of them and digging the hole clean. One was at least 2 feet deep. Dave Article 49590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-4.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quality of Honey Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:49:34 -0700 Lines: 137 Message-ID: <98q06s$32vpq$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <988cdj$ouas$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <98n0l3011co@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-4.internode.net (198.161.229.180) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 984646686 3243834 198.161.229.180 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49590 "James Fischer" wrote in message news:98n0l3011co@drn.newsguy.com... > Allen Dick said: > >Unfortunately, because most of the honey offered to the public > >is either mass processed or from small operators who very often > >misunderstand and mishandle honey, > > You clearly explained how large operators mangle honey, but > how exactly do small operators mishandle honey? What are the > most common errors in your view? I'd love to start making a > list of the worst errors and the solutions Well, I doubt that I can do the matter justice because there are so many pitfalls, and some are subtle, but it starts right at the hive. I can see you want to make me work... How is the hive built, and what glues, paints, preservatives, etc. are used? Where is the hive located? Is the area subject to serious pollution or vandalism? Do neighbours vandalise or spray the hive with insecticide? What then? What chemicals are used on the hive and when? 'Natural' substances are chemicals. Where are the hive parts stored when not in use? What fumes or liquids may contact the parts? What animals and insects might be in contact with the hive? What is fed to the hive? When? Can it get into the honey? If so, is it approved? Is it dangerous or...? How are diseases and pests controlled? Chemicals, radiation, fumigation? How is the honey removed and how is it handled and transported? Fumes? Dust? Dirt? Chemicals? How is it stored until extraction? What kind of extraction and uncapping devices are used? Materials? Cleanliness? What kind of room is being used for the job? Outdoors? How is the equipment and environment cleaned? Chemicals? Are the people healthy, clean and properly dressed? Hair nets or hats? Are they trained and "food conscious'? Is all honey from a known source or bought from another beekeeper? Are premises inspected? Questions answered? Can anything fall into a super or tank? Are things stored or placed above the honey at any point? Breast pockets? Are there flies or bees, vermin, dust, fumes, etc. in the packing room? Are lights protected against breakage? Ceiling beams -- if any -- clean? Are cleaning materials or pesticides etc. in the honey room? Is the water used in the honey handling area certified potable for public purposes? Is the honey dry enough to not ferment? Spills: What happened? What happens to the spilled honey? Bottling and storage tanks: Materials? History? Cleaning materials? Heating/warming method? What is it strained through and how fine? Material? Heat? What containers are used? New? Used? Washed? With what? When? Container materials? Previous contents? Labelling? Truthful? Lawful? Durable? Washable? Attractive? Labelling inks? Smelly? Lids stamped, then stacked? Transfer of smell? Filled containers stored where? Chemicals? Smells? Exterior contamination of jars, pails, etc. Store shelf: In sunlight? Containers sticky due to leaks? Old stock with unsightly partial granulation? Tamper-proof seal? Supervision of unsold product? Stale product: Melted? How? How often? Broken and damaged product: salvaged? How? These are just a few of the obvious points and I trust Murray or someone else will add some more. As you can see, there are zillion ways the uninitiated and untrained can go astray. > >the public has turned slowly away from our product and we > >are losing ground in the marketplace. > > Turned away? What with Honey cough-drops, Honey-Nut Breakfast > Cereals, Honey-Flu medicines, and so on, it appears that > "Honey" has a great reputation as a high-end sweetener. Our _word_ sweetens the bottom line of many companies, but our _product_ is not the primary sweetener in most of the products carrying the word "honey". People love our word and call their spouses, children and other loved ones 'honey', bit they do not buy our product in any significant quantity, especially compared to all other sweeteners. > It appears that the robber-baron multinationals have done > enough focus-group studies to conclude that one can sell > more of ANYTHING if one simply puts the word "Honey" in > front of it. This proves that honey is clearly a > "value-added feature" to them. If only they would show as much enthusiasm and commitment to putting significant amounts of real honey into the product. > The trick now seems to be to start marketing honey from > specific floral sources and/or areas, and take a page from > the wine industry's play-book. Sadly, this forces the big > operators who blend honey, micro-filter, and pasteurize into > the position of selling "cheap beer" as compared to the smaller > producers' "vintage wines", but there would be nothing stopping > a large producer from marketing non-blended, not-so-filtered, > unpasteurized honey. All the advertising in the world can only get the buyer to try a product once. When they give you that one try, it's Showtime -- make it or break it. One bad -- or even poor -- experience can turn people away for a lifetime and also even affect their friends and children's habits. Sadly, much of the honey sold does not convince the buyer that this is something to buy again, particularly in preference to cheaper standardised and predictable substitute items. > I think that all must admit that many people prefer > extracted honey to in-the-comb honey, as there are a > growing number who like "creamed" honey. While a true > connoisseur like yourself may consider them "inferior", it > might be more accurate to call them "different products". I doubt that I am a true connoisseur, but one of the things that has put people off comb honey is its perishable nature. Most people do not like hard granulated or coarse granulated honey and often comb becomes unattractive to eat long before it becomes unattractive to the eye. Consequently hard comb honey is sold once and the customer forever after avoids it. Comb really should be a freezer item. As for creamed honey, it is okay. Most of the honey turned out by the packing plants is okay. I eat it. I am talking about getting past "okay" to "great". > I may be wrong, but > my impression has been that only real honey will > crystallize. This might be an elegant way to avoid lots > of expensive tests and complicated finger-pointing. HFCS granulates nicer than any honey and quickly too. allen Article 49591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive/Metalab/Ibiblio Date: 15 Mar 2001 06:02:54 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <98q7gu$6k8$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49591 Hi. The site: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees http://www.ibiblio.org/bees is not quite right: they've migrated some of the machines from Solaris to Linux (Red Hat 7.0). I'll post back when things (like searching) are working properly. Pardon this inconvenience. Sincerely, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 49592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Last introduction I hope :-) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:28:24 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 72 Message-ID: <98q8j7$kjp$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip86.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984655271 21113 195.249.242.86 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49592 Dear fellows beekeepers. Unregistered expanded to ten hives. Here is a short list of new things in the software and also a fixed bug list. 1) Added auto creating of hives with auto creating queen numbers. 2) Added multi selection of hives (groups) for easy maintaining of some tasks: i. Disease entries ii. Bulk adding of some data (mainly addresses) iii. Deleting of hives iv. Moving hives 3) Added the possibility to dial up persons from within the software (must have a modem allowing this). 4) Added the possibility to colour mark hives. 5) Added the possibility to group hives. 6) Added the possibility to repair the database within software (not all errors can be repaired) 7) Added the possibility to backup the database 8) Expanded the help file to cover nearly everything in software. (manual 9) Added barcode support 10) Nearly all text in software is placed in language file for easy altering. (Be careful if) Following is a bug list fixed: 1) Some fields on queen breeder queen entry screen lost connection to database (fixed) 2) After converting database to new format an error occurred with list out of bounds (fixed by making an exit from software when database is converted.) 3) An important database was not created (fixed). 4) My software got an error related to windows caking (fixed) Data is now explicit saved to HD) 5) Cleaned up some code having coursed problems. More to fix: Unregistered software can show an error when entering Quick entry screen. To remove this error just click on 'ALL BEEHIVES' in yard list window and this is gone 'for ever'; More to come For registered big software there will be included a full working accounting part to Bidata. Your suggestions if you have any. Please come forward J I still hope to be able to continue this software. You are the reason. Best regards Jørn Johanesson -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 49593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! References: <3ab04939$0$39878$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:14:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 984658183 206.231.24.133 (Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:09:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:09:43 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49593 I believe yellow jacket nests don't live through the winter anyway. Only the bred females survive to start a new colony in the spring. These new queens and their nests will be back soon enough. Dave wrote: > Some animal, I think the skunk, had mercy on me and fixed my problem. They > did an excellent job of getting rid of all of them and digging the hole > clean. One was at least 2 feet deep. > > Dave Article 49594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!ragnarok.cts.com!galanthis.cts.com!127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ab04939$0$39878$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net> Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:45:06 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ab0e399$0$39877$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.255.92 X-Trace: 984671129 nntp.cts.com 39877 dkern/204.216.255.92 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49594 Actually, I live in San Diego, California. The yellow jackets were very active up until that point. I still see several hovering around my hives today. Dave "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net... > I believe yellow jacket nests don't live through the winter anyway. Only the > bred females survive to start a new colony in the spring. These new queens and > their nests will be back soon enough. > > Dave wrote: > > > Some animal, I think the skunk, had mercy on me and fixed my problem. They > > did an excellent job of getting rid of all of them and digging the hole > > clean. One was at least 2 feet deep. > > > > Dave > > > Article 49595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB0E6AD.3965317A@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! References: <3ab04939$0$39878$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net> <3ab0e399$0$39877$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:58:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 984671696 206.231.24.35 (Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:54:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:54:56 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49595 Hmm... Do wasps behave differently in warm climates? Dave wrote: > Actually, I live in San Diego, California. The yellow jackets were very > active up until that point. I still see several hovering around my hives > today. > > Dave > > "michael palmer" wrote in message > news:3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net... > > I believe yellow jacket nests don't live through the winter anyway. Only > the > > bred females survive to start a new colony in the spring. These new queens > and > > their nests will be back soon enough. > > > > Dave wrote: > > > > > Some animal, I think the skunk, had mercy on me and fixed my problem. > They > > > did an excellent job of getting rid of all of them and digging the hole > > > clean. One was at least 2 feet deep. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > Article 49596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:35:01 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010314161301.02698.00001387@ng-cl1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 27 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49596 You aren't kidding. I have been doing craft shows in the UK selling honey and I had the good fortune to meet an elderly lady that used to keep bees. Over the past couple of years we have talked a lot and she has told me many stories about her father that was the local Councils official beekeeper (he ran the apiary site for the council) during the war.) When I attend the local bee keeper meetings I am very aware that there is a significant age gap in the people attending. I sell (this is not an advert) a honey with added bees venom for arthritis (honest I don't want to get involved in a conversation on this point). One day, whilst doing one of these shows, an elderly gentleman came up to the stand and we talked for ages. He recounted his time as a teacher on a South Pacific Island where he lived amongst cannibals. When on a hunting trip (for animals not humans) they would locate a bee's nest and grab a handful of bees and 'wipe' them up their arms. The stings giving them increased suppleness in their joints to throw spears. Priceless stories! Very worth recounting. >You will also meet an amazing number of people who remember their uncle or >grandfather had a few hives out back somewhere. Article 49597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: European hornet problem Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:37:22 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49597 What's the best way to deal with European hornets (big yellow hornets, we got 'em in the south) harassing my hives? They're not a problem now, but later in the summer, they kill & eat a lot of bees. Anything I can do about them? Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL (North AL) rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 49598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European hornet problem Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:11:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49598 Yes. Trap them out. Use a jar with two holes in the lid, about the size of a pencil. Place some jam or 'jelly' plus water with a few drops of liquid detergent to about 1/2 full. The wasps go after the sticky, get into the jar, can't get out and end up drowning. If you start them early enough you can keep the nest under control to even wipe them out. You're removing the foragers! I place two or three around each yard, change and recharge when necessary. Eventually the problem becomes manageable. Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** > What's the best way to deal with European hornets (big yellow hornets, we > got 'em in the south) harassing my hives? They're not a problem now, but > later in the summer, they kill & eat a lot of bees. Anything I can do about > them? Article 49599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Mar 2001 03:11:47 GMT References: <3AB0E6AD.3965317A@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! Message-ID: <20010315221147.00571.00001499@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49599 From: michael palmer mpalmer@together.net >Hmm... Do wasps behave differently in warm climates? Some do survive the winter in central and south Florida, so I presume they would in San Diego. They don't make it thru winter here in South Carolina. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 49600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Get the updates Plase! Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:25:11 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 19 Message-ID: <98slmr$c5s$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip21.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984734235 12476 195.215.97.21 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49600 I know some are interested! Please get the update that removes the errors. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 49601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB1FABB.CF571997@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! References: <3AB0E6AD.3965317A@together.net> <20010315221147.00571.00001499@ng-cd1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:36:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 984742306 206.231.24.128 (Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:31:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:31:46 EST Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49601 So, are they perenial where they are able to survive the winter, or do they eventually die out? Dave Green wrote: > From: michael palmer mpalmer@together.net > > >Hmm... Do wasps behave differently in warm climates? > > Some do survive the winter in central and south Florida, so I presume they > would in San Diego. They don't make it thru winter here in South Carolina. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 49602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: BEE143@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:21:12 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19155-3AB1F728-4@storefull-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQr/WM7OqMDQhR2ePPXsK6S2vnwPQIVAJuhKC+2PXrrxrt10a3bnuKxfkPY Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49602 go for it but boil all used boxes before using ROD PS I started with one hive and now have 8 hives and love it !!!! // =8{})))- // Article 49603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:28:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ab222bb.65004593@news1.radix.net> References: <3ab04939$0$39878$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net> <3ab0e399$0$39877$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49603 On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:45:06 -0800, "Dave" wrote: >Actually, I live in San Diego, California. The yellow jackets were very >active up until that point. I still see several hovering around my hives >today. > >Dave > If you had followed my advice you would have had a lot of fun. It could have been good father son bonding as well. beekeep Article 49604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!skynet.be!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Jean François LONGY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy ressources / Beekeeping Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:46:46 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <98tjd7$s1p$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-1-36.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 984764647 28729 193.251.26.36 (16 Mar 2001 17:44:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:44:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49604 Hi, www.beehoo.com create a specific page dedicated to apitherapy => http://apitherapy.beehoo.com A specific webring called " apitherapy ressources" is open for webmasters at the same adress. Best Regards. -- Jean François LONGY www.beehoo.com The beekeeping directory Article 49605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-monga!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Peter W Hawkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rape Honey Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:21:47 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-41-30.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49605 Last year I was surrounded by rape fields and the honey crop (about 40 pounds from a couple of hives) has set like concrete. I dont want to have to heat up a jar of honey every time I want some so has anyone any ideas how to permanently soften it up, or is it all destined for mead (not an entirely bad idea!). Article 49606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!news.cali.co.uk!212.1.136.115 From: "Ann - Scotland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Lines: 214 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3ab2a2aa.0@news.cali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:33:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.47.10 X-Trace: newreader.ukcore.bt.net 984785583 62.172.47.10 (Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:33:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:33:03 GMT Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49606 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1391 All I can say is - Good Luck! it'll probably cost you, but if you enjoy it like I do then go for it. Ann - Scotland "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net... > > Greetings from northern California... > > For the last several years, I've been kicking around the idea of getting > into small-scale beekeeping. When I say small-scale, I mean *REALLY* > small - 2, maybe 3 hives max. Nothing that even remotely resembles > commercial level stuff. I don't much care about turning a profit, I just > want a hobby-type setup that might turn out some honey for the biscuits. > > Recently, I've come into contact with a fellow who used to be into the > game in a big way - We're talking several hundred (thousand?) hives that > he used to shuttle around the area orchards for profit. From the way he > tells the tale, mites hit him hard about 5-6 years back, and between > that and his age, he decided it was time to bail out of the biz. As a > result, he's got literally hundreds of abandoned hives, supers, frames, > etc. piled in one corner of his alfalfa field, some in various states of > rotting away, others in near-new condition, several buzzing merrily away > with swarms he says he hasn't done anything with other than look at as > he drove past on the tractor for the past 2-3 years, but most dead and > silent. Since I've got an interest (and not much of a budget) I asked > him about 'em. I got the whole story of him bailing out, and to make a > long story short, I'm welcome to however many of 'em I feel like carting > away, including, if I feel brave enough, the ones that are buzzing, so > long as I leave one "live one" for him to maybe tinker with if he gets > the urge to do so. > > So yesterday, after putting a load of hay on the pickup, I stopped on > the way out, he helped me do some picking and choosing, and I loaded up > the makings for a 10-frame hive in the cab - bottom box (an 8-ish inch > high super with bottom board/landing platform nailed on) a second 8-ish > inch super, 20 frames, 15 with plastic foundation, 5 with bare wires for > wax foundation, and a lid that's rigged for a 2-liter bottle feeder. > Plus, of course, I can go back and get whatever else I think I might > need next time I go get a load of hay from him. > > "Great," sez I... "I've got me a Bee-starter-kit. Just add bees, > sugar-water, and brain-power." > > So the first thing I do after getting home and unloading the hay is get > on the phone to a local apiary looking for how much it's gonna cost me > to install a batch of buzzers in my nifty new box. > > This is where I got "stung", you might say... > > Joe Beekeeper (not his real name, obviously) did everything he could, up > to and including flat-out telling me that I was friggin' NUTS, to > persuade me that I didn't want anything to do with the game, that all I > was gonna get out of it was a box of dead bees and disappointment, I was > gonna spend money from here to tuesday and not see anything come of it, > and just basically "YOU DON'T WANNA DO THIS, but if you insist, I'll > cheerfully take your money, supply you with bees I know are going to > die, and then tell you "I told ya so" when you decide you've had enough > frustration and offer to sell me your hives, which I won't give you > anything for because I've already got so many I can't use 'em all for my > own operation." > > A seriously "rosy" picture... > > A frat-hazing to the tune of "You maggot!" might have been a tad easier > to swallow, but I'm not one to take "no" for an answer, and slowly, as I > kept insisting that I was going into the game with eyes open, no > delusions about swimming around in a lake of honey and/or money, was > willing to bust my hump (after all, I know about hobbies where your > money literally turns to shit - I'm a horseman) for little or no return > other than the enjoyment of doing it, and so on, he finally started to > "lighten up" a bit and actually dispense some information. > > In the end, we reached an agreement: On Thursday night, I'm going over > to his place to set his computer up for internet access, show him the > basics of going online, and get him hooked up. In exchange, I'm gonna > get a queen and some bees, some basic tools, and as much bee-education > as I can soak up. Barter in action at it's finest! :) Now to get the > hive I have cleaned up and ready for new inhabitants... > > Now, the point of this whole ramble: > Is the "NO YOU CRAZY FOOL!!! DON'T DO IT!!!" speech fairly typical (this > is about the third time I've gotten it over the last 3-4 years and 4-5 > inquiries to various beekeepers in three states) or have I just stumbled > onto folks who are sour on the whole biz? I mean, are we talking a > "boot-camp" style hazing that every rookie gets to try to gauge their > "serious level" and weed out the ones that think they're gonna turn a > quick buck without effort, or has beekeeping really become as difficult > as the folks I've been talking to seem to imply? George (the fellow I'm > getting my boxes from) tells me he was pretty much wiped out by mites, > but the "wave" seems to have passed, since he's had several of his > abandoned hives "come to life" and survive for 2-3 years with no > intervention. As evidence, I can only offer his claim and the 4 hives > (that I could tell... there may have been more) that are buzzing right > now out there in his "junkpile" - If those weren't healthy, happy, > fully-functional bees that were so thick they were bouncing off me as > they came and went, then I'm a TOTAL idiot. The one that sat on (nope, > she didn't sting - why would she?) my finger long enough for me to get a > good look at sure didn't appear to have any problem other than slighly > ratty wings - Not real surprising, since she's probably been mondo-busy > wth the almond orchard that's in blossom on the other side of the > alfalfa field. > > Finally, what, if any, information would you guys (and/or gals) here on > the newsgroups offer a new-but-not-dumb person trying to get a hive > started? I've already got a book (If memory serves me rightly, the title > is "Practical Beekeeping" - I can't remember author right now. I do > recall seeing a picture of it on one of the web pages I hit last night > while surfing for bee-info, and noticing that it was listed as one of > the highly recommended references) and I've done a fair bit of research > over the years since I first considered the idea, so I'm not going in > TOTALLY blind. I either already have, can easily get, or can make much > of the hardware needed. About the only thing I'm missing right now > (aside from knowledge and experience) is the trendy white coveralls, the > veil, and the bees. > > So, what say you folks... Am I out of my mind, or do I stand a chance? > We're talking about a backyard hive or three, with hopes of maybe > getting some comb-honey out of the deal, but no delusions about turning > a profit in any way, shape, or form. Am I really lining up for a chance > to beat my head against a concrete wall, as the folks I've talked to > seem to imply, or is their "don't do it" speech just intended to "weed > out the whiners, weaklings, and get-rich-quick types"? > > Hoping to hear some useful information, since I've already had the "you > don' wanna do dat" speech... > > -- > Don Bruder - Dakidd@primenet.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Article 49607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weak hive Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:32:57 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49607 I have a weak hive that's about to die. I opened it up today and there is probably 2K or less bees in there. It has 2 brood boxes. I don't know what happened to it. The top box has plenty of honey in it. The bottom box has some honey and the bees. Both boxes have a bad wax moth infestation. I opened the box a month ago and did not detect any moths. I guess I'm just going to remove the lid and let the cold night temps kill the remaining bees. I have another hive about 30 feet from this one. Will it hurt the good hive if it's bees rob the honey from the dying hive? Should I destroy the wooden frames and buy new ones? How can I keep the moths out of the good hive? thanks Article 49608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:54:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ab2b4b7.102376550@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49608 On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:32:57 -0500, "Mr. Dixon" wrote: >I have a weak hive that's about to die. I opened it up today and there is >probably 2K or less bees in there. It has 2 brood boxes. I don't know what >happened to it. The top box has plenty of honey in it. The bottom box has >some honey and the bees. Both boxes have a bad wax moth infestation. I >opened the box a month ago and did not detect any moths. I guess I'm just >going to remove the lid and let the cold night temps kill the remaining >bees. I have another hive about 30 feet from this one. Will it hurt the >good hive if it's bees rob the honey from the dying hive? Should I destroy >the wooden frames and buy new ones? How can I keep the moths out of the >good hive? >thanks > > If the other hive is good and strong and you don't have any major disease in the dying hive, just put the boxes on top of the good hive bees and all. They will combine, kill that weak queen if she is there at all, and clean out the wax moths. Wax moths don't kill bees, beekeepers do. Then in a months time you can split the hive back and have two again. Just make sure the queen goes to the new hive stand. beekeep Article 49609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European hornet problem Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:47:40 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 42 Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49609 Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try....although the holes will have to be larger than a pencil. I dunno if you've seen European hornets or not, but they're about as big around as your index finger....they make me nervous even when I'm in my bee suit! **************** David Eyre wrote in message news:tb30qmt499et44@corp.supernews.com... > Yes. Trap them out. > Use a jar with two holes in the lid, about the size of a pencil. Place > some jam or 'jelly' plus water with a few drops of liquid detergent to about > 1/2 full. > The wasps go after the sticky, get into the jar, can't get out and end > up drowning. > If you start them early enough you can keep the nest under control to even > wipe them out. You're removing the foragers! > I place two or three around each yard, change and recharge when > necessary. Eventually the problem becomes manageable. > Regards Dave....-- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > > > What's the best way to deal with European hornets (big yellow hornets, we > > got 'em in the south) harassing my hives? They're not a problem now, but > > later in the summer, they kill & eat a lot of bees. Anything I can do > about > > them? > > > Article 49610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:37:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Queen "Stay'in Alive" Question Message-ID: <20010317053732.24187.00002648@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49610 I have three queens that have arrived that the local distributer got for me--and, am going on a two week vacation on Tuesday, so I won't have time to install them before I leave. They insist I pick the little gals up. How can I store them for a couple weeks (easily and quickly) to install them when I return? Article 49611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:48:32 GMT References: <3AADA206.825C7A1E@fuse.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Message-ID: <20010317054832.24187.00002649@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49611 I sure liked your reply. I'm a hobbyist for about six years now--beekeeping has been a great hobby for me. Gotten to share with family, had my Girl Scout troop do some "honey" projects, I go around to schools with my observation hiving showing them the "fundamentals" (including a honey tasting contest and candle making). The entire world of nature seems to been opened up to me (and others) by these little gals/guys. I'm forever grateful. It truly can be, at times, a form of mediatation--sometimes, sitting down by my hives, I lose track of time and being me! Thanks for your comments. Buzzylee Article 49612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news1.radix.net!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:50:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: bee scales Message-ID: <20010317055033.24187.00002650@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news1.radix.net sci.agriculture.beekeeping:49612 Does anyone have a source? I'm interested in buying a couple (or "jerry-rigging" something to make it EASY to weight the progress of my hives). Article 28852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:37:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Queen "Stay'in Alive" Question Message-ID: <20010317053732.24187.00002648@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28852 I have three queens that have arrived that the local distributer got for me--and, am going on a two week vacation on Tuesday, so I won't have time to install them before I leave. They insist I pick the little gals up. How can I store them for a couple weeks (easily and quickly) to install them when I return? Article 28853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:48:32 GMT References: <3AADA206.825C7A1E@fuse.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Message-ID: <20010317054832.24187.00002649@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28853 I sure liked your reply. I'm a hobbyist for about six years now--beekeeping has been a great hobby for me. Gotten to share with family, had my Girl Scout troop do some "honey" projects, I go around to schools with my observation hiving showing them the "fundamentals" (including a honey tasting contest and candle making). The entire world of nature seems to been opened up to me (and others) by these little gals/guys. I'm forever grateful. It truly can be, at times, a form of mediatation--sometimes, sitting down by my hives, I lose track of time and being me! Thanks for your comments. Buzzylee Article 28854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 10:50:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: bee scales Message-ID: <20010317055033.24187.00002650@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28854 Does anyone have a source? I'm interested in buying a couple (or "jerry-rigging" something to make it EASY to weight the progress of my hives). Article 28855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 13:40:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Very Early Queens Message-ID: <20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28855 I live in Central/Northern Ga (Atlanta area). I think I am in need of some queens. Anyone out there have some?? Whats the earliest someone would be willing to ship? TIM Article 28856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Very Early Queens Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:16:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28856 Try this: Hardman Apiaries @ 912-583-2710, they are in Ga. "MORRISTH" wrote in message news:20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I live in Central/Northern Ga (Atlanta area). I think I am in need of some > queens. Anyone out there have some?? Whats the earliest someone would be > willing to ship? > > TIM Article 28857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: admalin@aol.com (ADMALIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Mar 2001 16:17:32 GMT References: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Rape Honey Message-ID: <20010317111732.06567.00000490@nso-fr.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28857 If you can't spare it 2 minutes in the microwave you can use it as it is. OR you can sell the rape honey and buy some clear. Article 28858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Very Early Queens Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:16:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28858 You could also try: http://www.gabees.com/ "MORRISTH" wrote in message news:20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I live in Central/Northern Ga (Atlanta area). I think I am in need of some > queens. Anyone out there have some?? Whats the earliest someone would be > willing to ship? > > TIM Article 28859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010317053732.24187.00002648@ng-fc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Queen "Stay'in Alive" Question Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:16:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 984849386 12.73.40.169 (Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:16:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:16:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28859 Make up 3 nucs and introduce the cage to them. When you get back in 2 weeks you can then remove the old queens and instantly insert the nucs into your hives. Not only does this solve you timing problem, it is also about the best way to re-queen. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20010317053732.24187.00002648@ng-fc1.aol.com... > I have three queens that have arrived that the local distributer got for > me--and, am going on a two week vacation on Tuesday, so I won't have time to > install them before I leave. They insist I pick the little gals up. How can I > store them for a couple weeks (easily and quickly) to install them when I > return? > > Article 28860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax mot holes Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.173.91 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 984864756 212.151.173.91 (Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:32:36 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:32:36 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-173-91.swipnet.se Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:38:14 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28860 Hi! I bought some old hives where the wax moth had been quite busy. Now I have cleaned them properly, but there are a lot of small holes in the plastic (frigolite?) where the wax moth larvae had been hiding. With what can I repair those holes? Doris Article 28861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!ragnarok.cts.com!galanthis.cts.com!127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ab04939$0$39878$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <3AB0B21C.57DBCD3E@together.net> <3ab0e399$0$39877$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <3ab222bb.65004593@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Yellowjacket problem is fixed - by Nature!! Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:06:45 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3ab3e00d$0$39879$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.255.92 X-Trace: 984866829 nntp.cts.com 39879 dkern/204.216.255.92 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28861 I Agree!!! "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ab222bb.65004593@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:45:06 -0800, "Dave" > wrote: > > >Actually, I live in San Diego, California. The yellow jackets were very > >active up until that point. I still see several hovering around my hives > >today. > > > >Dave > > > If you had followed my advice you would have had a lot of fun. > It could have been good father son bonding as well. > > beekeep > Article 28862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax mot holes Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:14:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p33.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28862 On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:38:14 +0100, "STIG HANSSON" wrote: >Hi! >I bought some old hives where the wax moth had been quite busy. Now I have >cleaned them properly, but there are a lot of small holes in the plastic >(frigolite?) where the wax moth larvae had been hiding. With what can I >repair those holes? >Doris > > Don't sweat the small shit. Forget about the holes, the bees won't care. In nature they live in rotten trees. beekeep Article 28863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Very Early Queens Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:08:00 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28863 You could try working a different method and re-queen later in the year, it does have advantages. Try our web site http://www.beeworks.com/UsingNorthern.htm for a discussion on different methods and timing of re-queening. Regards Dave...-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "MORRISTH" wrote in message news:20010317084035.10191.00001801@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I live in Central/Northern Ga (Atlanta area). I think I am in need of some > queens. Anyone out there have some?? Whats the earliest someone would be > willing to ship? > > TIM Article 28864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Workshop Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:05:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.88.16 X-Trace: news2.atl 984877936 216.78.88.16 (Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:12:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:12:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28864 PRESS RELEASE The Mabesoone Family Apiary P. O. 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Registration forms can be acquired from the Extension Office or from the Associations workshop web page at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/a/p/apism/workshop.htm Article 28865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'The Insect Classifieds' Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1cYs6.5022$Im6.701231@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:02:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.33.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 984895357 209.179.33.1 (Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:02:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:02:37 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28865 Free classified ads for insect/arachnid traders. 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Try our Keyword Notify system, which notifies you immediately whenever someone posts and ad that has what you are looking for. http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Article 28866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax mot holes Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:22:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net> References: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28866 On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:44:21 +0100, "STIG HANSSON" wrote: > >"beekeep" skrev i meddelandet >news:3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net... >> (...)Forget about the holes, the bees won't >> care. In nature they live in rotten trees. >> >> beekeep > >True :-) I guess it's more for me, so that I 'm sure there aren't any larvae >left in the holes, which might pop up later. Maybe the bees will fill the >holes with propolis too. >On the other hand I've seen examples, where a little hole has "inspired" the >bees to go on chewing out bits of plastic there and I don't want that to >happen... >Doris > > Bees don't chew or bore stuff. Their mandibles aren't that strong. They work wax and propolis with them. Usually they cant remove wax moth cacoons. This is one of the reasons American Foulbrood stays around as they can't get the scale out. What is all this "plastic" that you are talking about? If God wanted bees to live in plastic hives he would have made plastic trees. beekeep Article 28867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!newsfeed.icl.net!news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Wax mot holes Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.253.107 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 984904724 212.151.253.107 (Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:38:44 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:38:44 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-253-107.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:44:21 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28867 "beekeep" skrev i meddelandet news:3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net... > (...)Forget about the holes, the bees won't > care. In nature they live in rotten trees. > > beekeep True :-) I guess it's more for me, so that I 'm sure there aren't any larvae left in the holes, which might pop up later. Maybe the bees will fill the holes with propolis too. On the other hand I've seen examples, where a little hole has "inspired" the bees to go on chewing out bits of plastic there and I don't want that to happen... Doris Article 28868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fix to bidata Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:12:30 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 30 Message-ID: <992bot$m03$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip116.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984920669 22531 195.215.97.116 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28868 Please bare with me, I am still trying to get Bidata back on trail. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatafix3.exe around 800kb the last small errors are now fixed, found to day :[ save the file on your hd run it and overwrite the BidataWin95_98.exe you have installed on your HD. I have in one place in the software forgotten to expand from 5 to 10 hives which gave errors in some places. You will also be presented for a personal screen that I will ask you to fill out. please bare with me, I am hard trying to bring the software back on trail. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee scales Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:24:50 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 22 Message-ID: <992gb2$5hf$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <20010317055033.24187.00002650@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.242.43.53 X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984925346 5679 62.242.43.53 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28869 Dear LK, There is a digital hive scale on the market that can be programmed to monitor the weight of your hive. You simply plug a reader into the scale and bring it home to your PC and can chart the progress. regards Bjørn Andresen Swienty A/S High Quality Beekeeping Equipment www.swienty.com "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20010317055033.24187.00002650@ng-fc1.aol.com... > Does anyone have a source? I'm interested in buying a couple (or > "jerry-rigging" something to make it EASY to weight the progress of my hives). > > Article 28870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rape Honey Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:26:32 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 25 Message-ID: <992ge7$5sc$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.242.43.53 X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 984925447 6028 62.242.43.53 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28870 Hej Peter, In Denmark we have a lot of rape honey and we cream it every time. This way the honey stays consistent for many months. however it is not liquid as many like it. regards Bjørn Andresen Swienty A/S High Quality Beekeeping Equipment www.swienty.com "Peter W Hawkey" wrote in message news:98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > Last year I was surrounded by rape fields and the honey crop (about 40 > pounds from a couple of hives) has set like concrete. I dont want to have to > heat up a jar of honey every time I want some so has anyone any ideas how to > permanently soften it up, or is it all destined for mead (not an entirely > bad idea!). > > Article 28871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Building up Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:10 -0600 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.226 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 984940796 457414 207.144.202.226 (18 Mar 2001 18:39:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:39:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28871 Hello all Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen colonies planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee yard I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting ready to turn to the better and im ready to go. Article 28872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: New Wanna"bee" beekeeper, revisited... Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:39:28 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 79 Sender: newservice@43-151.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 43-151.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 984944347 25859 64.24.179.151 (18 Mar 2001 19:39:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Mar 2001 19:39:07 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28872 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:267 Here we go, into the heart of adventureland... So I've picked up a dead hive that consists of a hive body, a deep super, bottom board, cover, and 20 frames. The thing has been dead/abandoned for at least 3 years, perhaps more like 5. One of the sides is marked on the inside with a magic-marker date indicating that it was probably cut out and shipped from wherever it came from on the 16th of March, 1990, presumably in the company of 499 other "Sides, Commercial Hive Body, qty 500" I've spent part of the morning going through the frames I've got. 10 are mounted with sheets of what I believe are called "Plasticell" foundation, 5 of them have 4 horizontal wires (naked except where the wax has collapsed into nasty-looking melted blobs) and the other 5 seem to be made of two sheets of a nearly clear, flat sheet of plastic, held together on each end with a little metal flange running from top to bottom, and with wax hexes somehow "printed" onto them, clearly intended to give the bees a starting place. I'm concentrating on the "Plasticell" frames first, since those appear to be most usable/easily salvaged. On all of them, what drawn comb there is/was (I've been removing it on the advice of a local beekeeper I've had a chat with) shows obvious signs of having been in the sun for way too long... better than 75% of it is melted, has "dribbled" down the face of the plastic foundation into a pool at the bottom, has been crushed out of shape, or is otherwise damaged, and all of it is incredibly nasty-looking - outright black, caked with dust, coated over with mud-dauber wasp nests and black widow spider webs, (and a couple of live widows, apparently there to keep me on my toes) clear signs of wax-moth infestation (old looking, no sign of live wax moths that I can see - just tunnels through the comb that can bee seen by looking into the relatively intact cells) yellowjacket carcasses (and a few live ones... again, apparently placed there to keep my life from getting too boring) etc. In short, it's a disgusting mess, and I'm in agreement with the local beeman's description of "near total junk" in regards to the wax that's there. So I'm merrily scraping the comb off with a knife, exposing (but being careful not to damage) the plastic below. So far, I've got a tennis ball-sized wad of truly evil-looking wax and assorted grunge. So far, so good, right? Maybe... Here's the meat of the post... Now that I'm down to the bottoms of the cells in the frames that were (apparently) brood comb, I'm seeing something that's giving me a bit of a pause. I've been reading about foulbrood. The previous owner (who has no motivation to lie to me that I know of - He's offered me as many hives/frames/bottoms/tops/etc as I care to haul away, at zero cost to me other than the time of doing so) swears up and down that it was mites that wiped him out, and he never saw any sign of either American or European foulbrood when he was working the hives. Still, I'm being rather paranoid about the concept. This looks *SORTA* like the descriptions I'm reading. In the bottom of each cell (bottom in this case referring to "open end of cell is top, foundation end is bottom", rather than the "gravity bottom" of an individual, intact cell in normal "in the hive" position) is a sort of "stack of scales", varying from a coppery-bronze metallic in color, to near jet black, almost like liquid tar (but solid) and stuck relatively solidly (I can use the tip of my knife and flake them out, but they don't come out otherwise) that, when pulled out, easily separate into 5, 6, 7, and even more individual flakes. The flakes vary in color, from near-black, to almost transparent golden, and crumble easily when handled. Should I be worried? If so, what precisely am I worrying about? If not, why? What am I seeing, and why is it not something to be concerned about? Thanks in advance for any thoughts you might have... -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 28873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:33:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p38.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28873 On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:10 -0600, "Bill Wallace" wrote: >Hello all >Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. >I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I >have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen colonies >planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee yard >I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have >the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting ready >to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > Well, seeing as you will have to advertise and probably put a sign on your truck, learning to spell apiary would be a good place to start. beekeep Article 28874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB586D4.94EE6C04@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:11:00 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 984967560 208.235.28.30 (Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:06:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:06:00 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28874 beekeep wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:10 -0600, "Bill Wallace" > wrote: > > >Hello all > >Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. > >I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I > >have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen colonies > >planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee yard > >I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have > >the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting ready > >to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > > > > Well, seeing as you will have to advertise and probably put a sign on > your truck, learning to spell apiary would be a good place to start. > > beekeep jeez, that's being kinda pickie, don't ya think??? AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 28875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:59:21 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net><3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZHDWh9k9lr/THg7lyC2Kn2fTm0PRls51YX/bkwCvABGYbWvQfCnNCo X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Mar 2001 03:00:34 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28875 Bill - Did anyone warn you about the spelling police? Watch it, they are lurking at every turn. And if they don't get you, the grammar police will. :>) -Barry > Well, seeing as you will have to advertise and probably put a sign on > your truck, learning to spell apiary would be a good place to start. > > beekeep > Article 28876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Mar 2001 04:30:21 GMT References: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New Wanna "bee" beekeeper, revisited... Message-ID: <20010318233021.05382.00000093@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28876 >he tip of my knife and flake them >out, but they don't come out otherwise) that, when pulled out, easily >separate into 5, 6, 7, and even more individual flakes. The flakes vary >in color, from near-black, to almost transparent golden, and crumble >easily when handled. Should I be worried? My guess is moldy pollen, which would come out in the same way that it was packed in by the bees, so could be flaky. The variable color also indicates this, as pollen varies in color, and AFB scale of the same age would not. American foulbrood scale would not remove easily. It would destroy the cell if you persisted in trying to free it. There is a closeup pic of scale at: http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm You are wise to check for AFB scale, however. Article 28877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 33 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Mar 2001 04:41:05 GMT References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Building up Message-ID: <20010318234105.05382.00000095@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28877 >Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. >I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I >have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen colonies >planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee yard >I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have >the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting ready >to turn to the better and im ready to go. I see the spelling police have already been on your case. But in this day and age of spell and grammar programs, one wonders what excuse is really valid for poor spelling and grammar. One used to start into beekeeping by building equipment and catching swarms. You might still get lucky and have some swarm referrals. There are not too many wild bees anymore, so you might be more lucky if you have lazy beekeepers who let their hives swarm. Perhaps a better way nowadays would be to get to know other beekeepers through clubs, seminars and such. There are a lot of elderly beekeepers and sometimes they have bees for sale cheap, because they can no longer work them. Oftentime you can buy three or four hives and have a lot of equipment thrown in. The other day a retired hobby beekeeper gave me a couple hundred dollars worth of woodenware that had never even been assembled. He said his wife told him to get rid of it, and he didn't have the heart to throw it out. (BTW he loves my honey!) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Wanna "bee" beekeeper, revisited... Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:04:48 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 62 Sender: newservice@05-028.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <99440q$6gl$2@news.chatlink.com> References: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> <20010318233021.05382.00000093@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 05-028.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 984978266 6677 216.126.149.28 (19 Mar 2001 05:04:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Mar 2001 05:04:26 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28878 In article <20010318233021.05382.00000093@ng-fm1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > >he tip of my knife and flake them > >out, but they don't come out otherwise) that, when pulled out, easily > >separate into 5, 6, 7, and even more individual flakes. The flakes vary > >in color, from near-black, to almost transparent golden, and crumble > >easily when handled. Should I be worried? > > My guess is moldy pollen, which would come out in the same way that it > was > packed in by the bees, so could be flaky. The variable color also > indicates > this, as pollen varies in color, and AFB scale of the same age would not. > > American foulbrood scale would not remove easily. It would destroy the > cell if > you persisted in trying to free it. There is a closeup pic of scale at: > http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm > > You are wise to check for AFB scale, however. Wise... paranoid... anal... ain't it all the same? :) Back to serious, though... Since posting that message, I've dug through the references I have, bounced around a few web pages, re-read a few things here and there, and finally, I think I've come up with the answer... Cocoons. Or rather, the rearmost ends of 'em, stacked in layers in the cell, each one representing a new generation of bee, sorta like each ring in a tree showing another year of growth. What I'm seeing appears to match up with what the info sources I've been hitting have to say. There's mention made on one website I hit: Paraphrasing (I don't trust my memory enough to call it a perfect quote, and I forgot to bookmark the page) "...age of brood comb is sometimes a matter of pride, with some beekeepers boasting that they've still got bees raising brood in comb that was drawn during their grandfather's beekeeping career. This is good and bad. Good because the longer a section of comb gets used for raising brood, the greater the attraction for a queen to lay in it. Bad because, over time, the cells become shallower and shallower due to the remains of the cocoons that the workers are unable to clean out completely, eventually resulting in stunted, sometimes deformed, bees due to the cramped conditions during development." That fits mighty close with the layers (almost like a teensy-tiny stack of filo dough) of papery material I'm knocking loose. I still can't decide if that's the "definitive" answer. Further comments from anybody? I'm pretty sure I've managed to dig up the right answer, but I'd like some more solid confirmation than just my rookie suspicion to ease my mind. -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 28879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ace Australia" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian beehive products Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust31.tnt2.gosford.au.da.uu.net X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 984988681 210.84.51.31 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:58:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:58:01 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:57:27 +1100 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28879 Ace Australia is a supplier of quality beehive-based products : * PROPOLIS * ROYAL JELLY * BEE POLLEN * HONEY * BEAUTY PRODUCTS (Moisturing Creams and Soaps) For further details, please visit the Ace Australia Website at: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~aceaust/products.htm Article 28880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:33:55 +0000 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <20010318234105.05382.00000095@ng-fm1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28880 On 19 Mar 2001 04:41:05 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > One used to start into beekeeping by building equipment and catching swarms. >You might still get lucky and have some swarm referrals. I got my first bees by informing the local police that they could contact me if they got a call about a swarm bothering people in schools, parks, or any public place, they could call me and I'd deal with it. Not only can you get a free swarm this way, but 'victims' will often pay you for the service... -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.htm Article 28881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: admalin@aol.com (ADMALIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:26:50 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: RE NEW QUEENS Message-ID: <20010319092650.24780.00000809@nso-bh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28881 Unfortunately I deleted the original posting and reply re what to do with new queens due to arrive as you go on holiday. My subconcious has just come up with a possible solution if you don't have the time or equipment to make three nucs. Some years ago as a beginner I kept an old Q for several weeks in a honey jar over the feedhole. This was done by cutting a hole in a piece of plywood to take the neck of the jar and covering with a piece of a zinc Q excluder. The bees happily kept feeding the Q. She was finally bumped off when the new Q down below was mated OK. I suppose there is a danger of the bees killing a strange new Q. So how about getting rid of the travelling bees (that come with the new Q) and simply totally cage the Q and place between the top bars of the brood combs. TONY MALIN Article 28882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Handheld Palm OS software again available Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:20:42 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 18 Message-ID: <995epi$5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip114.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 985022066 5 195.249.242.114 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28882 -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'NEW QUEENS' Message-ID: <3ab641d5.243904265@west.usenetserver.com> References: <1cYs6.5022$Im6.701231@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:28:49 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:30:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28883 I also would like know how people bank queens? Dave Article 28884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: weak hive Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:33:22 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 985030290 209.245.213.70 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:31:30 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:31:30 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28884 Wax moth infestation is usually the first sign of a weak hive. Unfortunately (from my previous experience), once a hive gets this weak, the rest of your approximately 2000 bees are sure to die. The wax moths took over because there aren't enough bees to fend them off. If you put these frames with your strong hive, the strong hive's bees will get rid of your wax moth problem because they will have enough extra bees on hand to "deal with" the wax moths. Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com Mr. Dixon wrote in message news:tb5c778n4h2260@corp.supernews.com... > I have a weak hive that's about to die. I opened it up today and there is > probably 2K or less bees in there. It has 2 brood boxes. I don't know what > happened to it. The top box has plenty of honey in it. The bottom box has > some honey and the bees. Both boxes have a bad wax moth infestation. I > opened the box a month ago and did not detect any moths. I guess I'm just > going to remove the lid and let the cold night temps kill the remaining > bees. I have another hive about 30 feet from this one. Will it hurt the > good hive if it's bees rob the honey from the dying hive? Should I destroy > the wooden frames and buy new ones? How can I keep the moths out of the > good hive? > thanks > > Article 28885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!192.71.180.34!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> <3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Wax moth holes Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.248.168 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 985030087 212.151.248.168 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:28:07 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:28:07 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: -@d212-151-248-168.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:33:48 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28885 "beekeep" skrev i meddelandet news:3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net... > (...) > What is all this "plastic" that you are talking about? Is it called frigolite in English??? > If God wanted bees to live in plastic hives he would have made plastic > trees. If Man wants bees to live in plastic hives they have no choice. ...and Man has made plastic trees too! :-) > beekeep Doris Article 28886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Building up Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:38:05 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 985030573 209.245.213.70 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:36:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:36:13 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28886 Beekeep, Just a small noteand I'm not trying to start a war but sometimes your posts are just a little well, ummm... abrasive. We should embrace newcomers to beekeeping and not flame them over trivial items such as "speling". Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com beekeep wrote in message news:3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net... > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:10 -0600, "Bill Wallace" > wrote: > > >Hello all > >Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. > >I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I > >have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen colonies > >planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee yard > >I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have > >the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting ready > >to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > > > > Well, seeing as you will have to advertise and probably put a sign on > your truck, learning to spell apiary would be a good place to start. > > beekeep > Article 28887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "pp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANEL Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:06:16 -0800 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 10 Message-ID: <995omt$5v9$1@usenet.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-f109.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 985032221 6121 212.205.234.109 (19 Mar 2001 20:03:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:03:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28887 This is a message for those who have obtain our products . Now you can visit our site and be informed about the proper use of our products by VIDEO captures . www.anel.gr pantelac@otenet.gr Article 28888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net> From: keeper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen substitute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:13:53 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.236.162 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@iquest.net X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 985037289 204.95.236.162 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:28:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:28:09 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28888 I've heard that bees will forage pollen from cattle feed lots. Does this mean that cattle feed can be used as a pollen substitute to feed bees? Can other animal feeds also be used as pollen substitutes to feed bees? Article 28889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net> Subject: Re: pollen substitute Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:17:38 -0800 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-158.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ab68489@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 19 Mar 2001 14:13:29 -0800, tc1-158.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-out.uswest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-158.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28889 I've used a mixture of soy flour & brewer's yeast, moistened with sugar water to make patties, but I've never had great luck getting the bees to like it...despite holding it up to my mouth & making "yum, yum" noises. Naturally, you're trying to give them protein & most animal feeds are 15% protein at most. keeper wrote in message <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net>... >I've heard that bees will forage pollen from cattle feed lots. Does >this mean that cattle feed can be used as a pollen substitute to feed >bees? Can other animal feeds also be used as pollen substitutes to feed >bees? > > Article 28890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Building up Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <_pwt6.1245$DX5.27602@news1-hme0> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:15:30 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.133.47 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 985043706 212.137.133.47 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:15:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:15:06 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28890 Can't disagree with that - and I thought that the word was Beekeeper. Fascinating to hear Americans discussing spelling and grammar! "Cudd" wrote in message news:Nctt6.278$PV2.3106@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Beekeep, > > Just a small noteand I'm not trying to start a war but sometimes your posts > are just a little well, ummm... abrasive. We should embrace newcomers to > beekeeping and not flame them over trivial items such as "speling". > > Robert > http://beetalk.tripod.com > > beekeep wrote in message > news:3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net... > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:10 -0600, "Bill Wallace" > > wrote: > > > > >Hello all > > >Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. > > >I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production > I > > >have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen > colonies > > >planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee > yard > > >I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I > have > > >the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting > ready > > >to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > > > > > > > Well, seeing as you will have to advertise and probably put a sign on > > your truck, learning to spell apiary would be a good place to start. > > > > beekeep > > > > Article 28891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB69CD5.2EE2C1E4@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth holes References: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> <3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 X-Trace: /KtlGRD1Z+VmBGmmuhXtWLzjDBXIYzpYdwPwpdiTd3joelyybubBEaLZL1lrFlFmG5mlTDSB7+3x!bWzziRVJNsISNkY2gONGju7ks9w1nQ8Vir/Ty58fl207NjAkRQ9T73hzY4Gd X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:57:32 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:57:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28891 Beekeep, Your whit brings a smile to my face whenever I read it. STIG HANSSON wrote: > "beekeep" skrev i meddelandet > news:3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net... > > (...) > > What is all this "plastic" that you are talking about? > > Is it called frigolite in English??? > > > If God wanted bees to live in plastic hives he would have made plastic > > trees. > > If Man wants bees to live in plastic hives they have no choice. > ...and Man has made plastic trees too! :-) > > > beekeep > > Doris Article 28892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB69DD4.6C4B1187@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 X-Trace: +r2ablonw854n5g05DpM98muYQJ9LooipzLXdq2ky9SAg7s2qL9CeQ8yLGlntMYvCgKLk63Vn2Ox!xjDvw5KyCYNZ3g4F3B7NfKse6l32/PSYvajzUzMf8+TAMM3z4dg/pkYD0TA0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:01:48 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:01:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28892 Awe, Beekeep is just being funny. I don't think that he means any harm in what he says. I often find it amusing. Cudd wrote: > Beekeep, > > Just a small noteand I'm not trying to start a war but sometimes your posts > are just a little well, ummm... abrasive. We should embrace newcomers to > beekeeping and not flame them over trivial items such as "speling". > > Robert > http://beetalk.tripod.com > > beekeep wrote in message > news:3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net... > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:41:10 -0600, "Bill Wallace" > > wrote: > > > > >Hello all > > >Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. > > >I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production > I > > >have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen > colonies > > >planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee > yard > > >I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I > have > > >the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting > ready > > >to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > > > > > > > Well, seeing as you will have to advertise and probably put a sign on > > your truck, learning to spell apiary would be a good place to start. > > > > beekeep > > Article 28893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:09:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3ab69a5f.357769939@news1.radix.net> References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28893 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:38:05 -0600, "Cudd" wrote: >Beekeep, > >Just a small noteand I'm not trying to start a war but sometimes your posts >are just a little well, ummm... abrasive. We should embrace newcomers to >beekeeping and not flame them over trivial items such as "speling". > >Robert >http://beetalk.tripod.com I, for one, am dislexic and can't spell a four letter word at times. However this case is very different. This guy is talking about investing $10,000 to $20,000. Now I know you can get hives for less than $100 but he will need a truck and a well equiped honey house as well to back up such an operation. It is obvious that he doesn;t subscribe to the bee rags nor has he read many books on the subject. Had he, he would have known how apiary is spelled and know where the word came from. For any business to be successful one has to pay attention to the details and have extensive knowledge about the subject. The poster demonstrated that he had none of the above. My advice to him is to start over in the local library and keep his money invested elsewhere. He will do well to heed my advice, beekeeping is not the easiest way to make a living. You have got to absolutely love it and live it. We don't need to embrace or coddle newcomers. We need to tell them straight out what they are in for. This hobby isn't for everybody and 90% of them quit after a year. We need to embrace those in the 10% and do all we can to help them. Talking some fool into buying 100 to 200 hives is not embracing a newcomer. beekeep Not afraid of telling it like it is. Article 28894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth holes Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:19:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3ab6a035.359264292@news1.radix.net> References: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> <3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28894 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:33:48 +0100, "STIG HANSSON" wrote: > >"beekeep" skrev i meddelandet >news:3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net... >> (...) >> What is all this "plastic" that you are talking about? > >Is it called frigolite in English??? > >> If God wanted bees to live in plastic hives he would have made plastic >> trees. > >If Man wants bees to live in plastic hives they have no choice. >...and Man has made plastic trees too! :-) > >> beekeep > >Doris > The problem with plastic is it doesn't breath and absorb moisture. Plastic inner covers (crown boards) sweat and will kill your bees if you don't ventilate properly. Plastic hive tops are just as bad. Upside down with some rocks in them they make good watering holes for bees but that is about it. I do use the plastic foundation and like it. All plastic frames on the other hand have lots of places for waxmoths to pupate, tend to sag when full of honey in the heat, and seem to promote burr comb. All plastic hives do exist but they have never become very popular here in the US. beekeep Article 28895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen substitute Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:23:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ab6a238.359778886@news1.radix.net> References: <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28895 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:13:53 -0500, keeper wrote: >I've heard that bees will forage pollen from cattle feed lots. Does >this mean that cattle feed can be used as a pollen substitute to feed >bees? Can other animal feeds also be used as pollen substitutes to feed >bees? > > When pollen is scarce bees will scavenge just about anything. They will collect poison dusts off of crops as well but I wouldn't recomend feeding it to them. Pollen substitutes have been tested and formulated just for bees. I would stick with it if I were you. beekeep Article 28896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "CompostKing" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> Subject: Re: New Wanna"bee" beekeeper, revisited... Lines: 91 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:05:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.9.205.240 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 985053901 208.9.205.240 (Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:05:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:05:01 EST Organization: Delaware On Line (dol.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28896 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:268 Don, Do not know what you may have discovered in that old hive. I was hoping that someone more knowledgeable than me would respond. I lost half my hives over the winter and am interested in problems such as yours. I enjoy your "spirited input" and hope you continue to participate in this forum. Thanks, Ed Don Bruder wrote in message news:9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com... > > > Here we go, into the heart of adventureland... > > > So I've picked up a dead hive that consists of a hive body, a deep > super, bottom board, cover, and 20 frames. The thing has been > dead/abandoned for at least 3 years, perhaps more like 5. One of the > sides is marked on the inside with a magic-marker date indicating that > it was probably cut out and shipped from wherever it came from on the > 16th of March, 1990, presumably in the company of 499 other "Sides, > Commercial Hive Body, qty 500" > > I've spent part of the morning going through the frames I've got. 10 are > mounted with sheets of what I believe are called "Plasticell" > foundation, 5 of them have 4 horizontal wires (naked except where the > wax has collapsed into nasty-looking melted blobs) and the other 5 seem > to be made of two sheets of a nearly clear, flat sheet of plastic, held > together on each end with a little metal flange running from top to > bottom, and with wax hexes somehow "printed" onto them, clearly intended > to give the bees a starting place. > > I'm concentrating on the "Plasticell" frames first, since those appear > to be most usable/easily salvaged. > > On all of them, what drawn comb there is/was (I've been removing it on > the advice of a local beekeeper I've had a chat with) shows obvious > signs of having been in the sun for way too long... better than 75% of > it is melted, has "dribbled" down the face of the plastic foundation > into a pool at the bottom, has been crushed out of shape, or is > otherwise damaged, and all of it is incredibly nasty-looking - outright > black, caked with dust, coated over with mud-dauber wasp nests and black > widow spider webs, (and a couple of live widows, apparently there to > keep me on my toes) clear signs of wax-moth infestation (old looking, no > sign of live wax moths that I can see - just tunnels through the comb > that can bee seen by looking into the relatively intact cells) > yellowjacket carcasses (and a few live ones... again, apparently placed > there to keep my life from getting too boring) etc. In short, it's a > disgusting mess, and I'm in agreement with the local beeman's > description of "near total junk" in regards to the wax that's there. > > So I'm merrily scraping the comb off with a knife, exposing (but being > careful not to damage) the plastic below. So far, I've got a tennis > ball-sized wad of truly evil-looking wax and assorted grunge. So far, so > good, right? Maybe... > > Here's the meat of the post... > > Now that I'm down to the bottoms of the cells in the frames that were > (apparently) brood comb, I'm seeing something that's giving me a bit of > a pause. I've been reading about foulbrood. The previous owner (who has > no motivation to lie to me that I know of - He's offered me as many > hives/frames/bottoms/tops/etc as I care to haul away, at zero cost to me > other than the time of doing so) swears up and down that it was mites > that wiped him out, and he never saw any sign of either American or > European foulbrood when he was working the hives. Still, I'm being > rather paranoid about the concept. This looks *SORTA* like the > descriptions I'm reading. > > In the bottom of each cell (bottom in this case referring to "open end > of cell is top, foundation end is bottom", rather than the "gravity > bottom" of an individual, intact cell in normal "in the hive" position) > is a sort of "stack of scales", varying from a coppery-bronze metallic > in color, to near jet black, almost like liquid tar (but solid) and > stuck relatively solidly (I can use the tip of my knife and flake them > out, but they don't come out otherwise) that, when pulled out, easily > separate into 5, 6, 7, and even more individual flakes. The flakes vary > in color, from near-black, to almost transparent golden, and crumble > easily when handled. Should I be worried? If so, what precisely am I > worrying about? If not, why? What am I seeing, and why is it not > something to be concerned about? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you might have... > > -- > Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail > sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 28897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news01.tsnz.net!not-for-mail From: "Neville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fallen Fruit Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:36:24 +1200 Organization: TelstraSaturn Lines: 10 Message-ID: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-79-80-96.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Trace: raewyn.paradise.net.nz 985059479 73170 203.79.80.96 (20 Mar 2001 03:37:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tsnz.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:37:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28897 Our pear tree is dropping it's excess fruit and the birds and chickens are eating them. Yesterday afternoon when picking up the half eaten ones to compost, I found they all had 2-4 bees working away at them. It is the beginning of Autumn here now and the nectar is drying up - as it does! Can someone please tell me - are the bees after the sugar in the fruit? or something else? Thanks Liz (Auckland, NZ) Article 28898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!204.94.211.44!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: BEE143@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: blue marlins Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:56:36 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9252-3AB6E304-180@storefull-167.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQO0cwjnsPRh5HzbckxOfySomM6bQIUON6yqklfwph0axi10pby2Fs3sOo= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28898 I would like to know if Blue Marlins eat bees I have 6 hives near my garden and we were giving a Marlin house to put up near the garden .But before I put it up I want to make sure they will not eat all my bees Any info would be appreciated thanks Rodney of Missouri Article 28899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB70447.3FAC461F@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> <3ab69a5f.357769939@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 107 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:18:31 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 985065234 208.235.28.51 (Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:13:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:13:54 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28899 beekeep wrote: > I, for one, am dislexic and can't spell a four letter word at times. > However this case is very different. This guy is talking about > investing $10,000 to $20,000. Aw gee, a while back I couldn't *spell* engineer, now I are one... BTW, it is spelled dyslexic. > ... It is obvious that he doesn;t Wouldn't that be - doesn't ? Ya know, the apostrophe is approximately 300 years old and there are those who argue for its elimination - something that you *obviously* would applaud. I would too, I hate that little bugger. > Had he, he would have known how apiary is spelled and know where the > word came from. OOPS - ending a sentence in a preposition, ain't that a no-no? Guess that one got past your grammar checker. You must still be running version 1.0. For any business to be successful one has to pay > attention to the details and have extensive knowledge about the > subject. The poster demonstrated that he had none of the above. Isn't is possible for one to comprehend a subject without knowing all the words? After all he only made one small spelling mistake - you have made two spelling errors in your rebuttal. The way I see it he's one up on you. I know an old fellow who is a master diesel mechanic but I'm not sure he knows how to spell diesel. I know another guy who raises prize bulls but I would bet a paycheck he can't spell artificial insemination. My dad had a 6th grade education but he could out figure anyone with a calculator and couldn't spell 1% of what he knew about raising livestock, grain farming, tool making or financial management, but he watched a helluva lot of 'smart' guys who could spell go belly-up over night. And, he put three kids through college - not bad for a guy who couldn't spell or use proper grammar, eh? What advice would you have offered my old man??? > We don't need to embrace or coddle newcomers. How 'bout some thoughtful experienced advice? Assuming you have a good dose to offer, I could use some sage advice myself. > This hobby isn't > for everybody and 90% of them quit after a year. 50-100-200 hives does not strike me as a "hobby". 90% of all small business startups fail within the first 1-2 years - so what??? > Talking some fool > into buying 100 to 200 hives is not embracing a newcomer. That's the one that struck me as just a bit over the line. The guy is asking for some advice about getting into the business (ok maybe he's a bit over ambitious), makes a spelling error, and you call him a fool - that's harsh, man. > Not afraid of telling it like it is. You sound burned out and cynical. The way it sounds, maybe *you* should be looking for another line of work - just be sure you can spell all the words. AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 28900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!128.39.3.166!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:37:50 +0100 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no> References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 985077473 15654 158.38.51.37 (20 Mar 2001 08:37:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28900 Liz wrote: > > Our pear tree is dropping it's excess fruit and the birds and chickens are > eating them. Yesterday afternoon when picking up the half eaten ones to > compost, I found they all had 2-4 bees working away at them. It is the > beginning of Autumn here now and the nectar is drying up - as it does! Can > someone please tell me - are the bees after the sugar in the fruit? or > something else? > Thanks > Liz (Auckland, NZ) Bees are known to collect fruit juice when nothing else is on offer, however they do not go to perfect fruit only fruit that has been damaged by some other insect (such as wasps), by birds or by mechanical damage. Four years ago we had some late season plum juice honey - it was delightful! We had an excess of fruit which we had no time to pick and as this became over-ripe it was attacked by wasps. The frames (wood) were stained yellow and the hives smelled of plum, the honey was also a golden yellow colour and did not crystallize. Tony -- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteamanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 28901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp1.njy.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:09:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 116 Message-ID: <3ab73a2f.398680629@news1.radix.net> References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> <3ab69a5f.357769939@news1.radix.net> <3AB70447.3FAC461F@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28901 The only advise that I would give on this post is never argue with a fool as the bystanders may have a hard time telling which is which. beekeep On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:18:31 -0800, AL wrote: >beekeep wrote: > >> I, for one, am dislexic and can't spell a four letter word at times. >> However this case is very different. This guy is talking about >> investing $10,000 to $20,000. > > >Aw gee, a while back I couldn't *spell* engineer, now I are one... >BTW, it is spelled dyslexic. > > > > > >> ... It is obvious that he doesn;t > >Wouldn't that be - doesn't ? Ya know, the apostrophe is approximately >300 years old and there are those who argue for its elimination - >something that you *obviously* would applaud. I would too, I hate that >little bugger. > > > > > >> Had he, he would have known how apiary is spelled and know where the >> word came from. > >OOPS - ending a sentence in a preposition, ain't that a no-no? Guess >that one got past your grammar checker. You must still be running >version 1.0. > > > > > > > For any business to be successful one has to pay >> attention to the details and have extensive knowledge about the >> subject. The poster demonstrated that he had none of the above. > > > >Isn't is possible for one to comprehend a subject without knowing all >the words? After all he only made one small spelling mistake - you have >made two spelling errors in your rebuttal. The way I see it he's one up >on you. > >I know an old fellow who is a master diesel mechanic but I'm not sure he >knows how to spell diesel. I know another guy who raises prize bulls but >I would bet a paycheck he can't spell artificial insemination. My dad >had a 6th grade education but he could out figure anyone with a >calculator and couldn't spell 1% of what he knew about raising >livestock, grain farming, tool making or financial management, but he >watched a helluva lot of 'smart' guys who could spell go belly-up over >night. And, he put three kids through college - not bad for a guy who >couldn't spell or use proper grammar, eh? What advice would you have >offered my old man??? > > > > >> We don't need to embrace or coddle newcomers. > >How 'bout some thoughtful experienced advice? Assuming you have a good >dose to offer, I could use some sage advice myself. > > > > >> This hobby isn't >> for everybody and 90% of them quit after a year. > >50-100-200 hives does not strike me as a "hobby". >90% of all small business startups fail within the first 1-2 years - so >what??? > > > > >> Talking some fool >> into buying 100 to 200 hives is not embracing a newcomer. > > >That's the one that struck me as just a bit over the line. The guy is >asking for some advice about getting into the business (ok maybe he's a >bit over ambitious), makes a spelling error, and you call him a fool - >that's harsh, man. > > > > > >> Not afraid of telling it like it is. > >You sound burned out and cynical. >The way it sounds, maybe *you* should be looking for another line of >work - just be sure you can spell all the words. > > >AL > > >************************************************* > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > it's the sudden stop at the end. >************************************************* Article 28902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB74407.20986012@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blue marlins References: <9252-3AB6E304-180@storefull-167.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:50:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 985088768 206.231.24.239 (Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:46:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:46:08 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28902 Only if the bees can swim in the ocean, or the marlin can fly. I would think that purple martins can and do eat bees, but not enough to matter. Unless of course they eat a virgin queen while on her mating flight. BEE143@webtv.net wrote: > I would like to know if Blue Marlins eat bees I have 6 hives near my > garden and we were giving a Marlin house to put up near the garden .But > before I put it up I want to make sure they will not eat all my bees > Any info would be appreciated > thanks > Rodney of Missouri Article 28903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ varroa spreads? Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:32:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28903 can any kiwis update us on the situation? see "Honey Bee Mite Checks" http://www.newsroom.co.nz/story/41422.html Article 28904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Organic Standards Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:26:36 -0600 Lines: 66 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ0Mp+U5PKPcvor5PgQtb+QaYRyzBgmPIPpHGvAY7C5ynnkYGTKLbeo X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Mar 2001 15:27:49 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28904 Forward from Biological Beekeeping List ----------------------- On March 12th the Federal Register posted updated comments in the Codex on Organic Standards for Apiculture that are being talked about and still long from being finalized. I have already begun forwarding comments back. Posting in the US Federal Register is as follows: DRAFT GUIDELINES FOR THE PRODUCTION, PROCESSING, LABELLING AND MARKETING OF ORGANICALLY PRODUCED FOODS (LIVESTOCK and LIVESTOCK PRODUCTS) (At Step 6 of the Procedure) ANNEX 1,B: Livestock and livestock products Species Specific Requirements Bees 54. Hives for beekeeping should be placed in: i) areas where cultivated or spontaneous vegetation comply with the rules of production as set out in Section 4 of these guidelines, or ii) areas designated by the inspection/certification body and which meet the conditions for organic production. 55. Feeding of bee colonies where conditions require reserves to be built up for winter may be undertaken. Feeding must be carried out between the last honey harvest and the period of dormancy of the colony. Feeding should preferably include organic honey or organic sugar syrup. - Where unavailable, or in cases of extreme climatic or other extenuating circumstances, feed not satisfying these guidelines may be used. 56. The health of bee colonies should be maintained by good agricultural practice. This includes: i) the use of hardy breeds that adapt well to the local conditions; ii) regular renewal of queen bees; iii) regular cleaning and disinfection of equipment; iv) destruction of contaminated materials; v) regular renewal of beeswax; and vi) availability in hives of sufficient pollen and honey. ------------------- Comments have already been called into Washington to AMS and pertinent Beekeeping Industry Task Force personnel associated with the NOSB concerning the lack of teeth in the standards associated, with the feeding of foreign substances i.e. sugar in off season, and pollen, when honey should have either been held back or not over robbed, to avoid having to feed in off season, substances naturally foreign to a bee colony. Regards: Dee A. Lusby,Commercial Beekeeper(non-migratory) Honey produced, by "Organic Methods" No drugs, chemicals, acids or essential oils Tucson, Arizona USA Ph/Fax: 1-520-748-0542 Article 28905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB7A5C8.6FF24F7D@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> <3ab69a5f.357769939@news1.radix.net> <3AB70447.3FAC461F@midwest.net> <3ab73a2f.398680629@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:47:36 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.38 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 985106548 208.235.28.38 (Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:42:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:42:28 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28905 beekeep wrote: > > The only advise that I would give on this post is never argue with a > fool as the bystanders may have a hard time telling which is which. > Well I won't tell if you won't. AL Article 28906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit Date: 20 Mar 2001 17:31:08 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <99844s$tsk$0@63.68.70.148> References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.148 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28906 On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:37:50 +0100, Anthony Morgan wrote: >Liz wrote: >> >> Our pear tree is dropping it's excess fruit and the birds and chickens are >> eating them. Yesterday afternoon when picking up the half eaten ones to >> compost, I found they all had 2-4 bees working away at them. It is the >> beginning of Autumn here now and the nectar is drying up - as it does! Can >> someone please tell me - are the bees after the sugar in the fruit? or >> something else? >> Thanks >> Liz (Auckland, NZ) > >Bees are known to collect fruit juice when nothing else is on offer, >however they do not go to perfect fruit only fruit that has been damaged >by some other insect (such as wasps), by birds or by mechanical damage. > >Four years ago we had some late season plum juice honey - it was >delightful! >We had an excess of fruit which we had no time to pick and as this >became over-ripe it was attacked by wasps. The frames (wood) were >stained yellow and the hives smelled of plum, the honey was also a >golden yellow colour and did not crystallize. > We have an old pear tree on our property (very likely a hundred years old). It produces nice looking pears that ripen in the late fall, but they are fairly hard (like an apple) and don't make great eating. (There are always a few softer ones that fall to the ground and are pretty good though). I've been wondering if pear juice could be used in my fall feeding to cut my sugar cost, and if it would harm the bees, etc. Perhaps I'll try it next fall on a hive or two. Anyone else try this? -Tim, OH Article 28907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:37:09 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 146 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28907 --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arthur Harvey To: campaign@organicconsumers.org Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:41:44 -0500 (EST) > Final Rule Impact > > by Arthur Harvey (with help from Chris Kidwell and > Nick Maravell) > > Unless basic changes are made, USDA's Final Rule, > issued December 21, will fundamentally transform > organic farming, inspecting and standards. > > Some changes may be for the better. Under section > 205.501(a)(11)(i,ii & iii) certified farmers may not > serve on their own certifier's board of directors. > But the Rule does not define "conflict of interest". > So the definition in OFPA 6515(h) will probably be > decisive in the long run, which should not prove > disruptive to non-profit certifiers. > > More ominous is .501(a)(11)(iv) which prevents > certifiers (and inspectors) from "giving advice" to > farmers. Because this goes beyond the OFPA section > mentioned above, we may hope it will not survive a > legal challenge. > > Two organic funadamentals have been removed > entirely from the USDA Rule. First, the environmental > ethic. USDA considers that the EPA is sufficient to > handle all such concerns. Second, transparency. > Although OFPA 6506(a)(9) requires "public access to > certification documents", the Rule is silent about it. > > So much for the wholistic idea. > > The Rule is not user-friendly for farmers and > inspectors. It lacks clear guidelines and specific > lists of allowed materials, such as the OMRI list. > The compost requirement at 205.2 will be impractical > for many small farmers. The compost standard will > apply only to organic farmers, not conventional, and > it is intended as an extra safety measure. At the > same time, we are not allowed to claim that organic > food is safer or of higher quality. > > Absent is any limit on intentional rotation in and > out of organic status. See Preamble, page 78. Most > certifiers now ban the practice, but they will be > obliged to permit it in 2002. > > Labeling and organic content of preocessed foods > are problematic. .304(b) requires certifiers to put > their names on products with only 70% organic > ingredients, in violation of OFPA 6510(a)(4). It also > means a lowering of standards for any certifier that > does not now certify such products. At the same time, > the USDA seal will appear only on 95% and 100% organic > products. This will create the impression that the > USDA has higher standards than the private certifiers. > In reality, USDA is forcing a lowering of standards > while disguising the fact with labeling > sleight-of-hand. > > The National List at .600(b) and .605(b) allows > synthetics to be added in processing, contrary to OFPA > 6510(a)(1) and 6517(c)(1)(B)(iii). Also, .606 fails > to list specific exemptions as required in OFPA > 6517(c)(2)(B). This failure defeats the purpose of > the Sunset Provision at 6517(e). These distortions of > the clear language of OFPA are the most likely ones to > be struck down by a federal court. > > .101(b)(2) excludes restaurants, delis and > bakeries from certification. OFPA 6502(9) excludes > only "final retailers of agricultural products that do > not process agricultural products." Another apparent > violation. > > .501(b) is where the Final Rule become the Final > Solution for private certifiers. USDA will deny them > the ability to improve standards. Until now, organic > standards have evolved from a consumer-farmer > dialogue. In the future, standards will rise or fall > primarily from a dialogue between USDA and corporate > lobbyists. Of course, they will be constrained by > public opinion, whose effectiveness is hard to > predict. The NOSB will probably slow any further > corruption of the National List, but that will not > save the constitutent-based certifiers who have lost > two of their essential functions---helping farmers and > improving standards. > > USDA says that a uniform standard is needed to > fulfill OFPA 6501(2), "to assure consumers that > organically produced products meet a consistent > standard". Also, that consumers will be confused if > the current variety of standards in the marketplace is > allowed to continue. > > The European Union, with an organic market twice > the size of ours, allows each of 15 nations to meet > the minimum standard as it wishes. As to consumer > confusion, at least five federal agencies have minimum > standards: the Coast Guard (boat construction and > life preservers), FDA (recipe-based processed food > labeling), FTC (food advertising), Interstate Milk > Shipment program of USDA, and Consumer Product Safety > Commission. When I interviewed compliance officers of > these agencies, none could recall more than one case > related to a claim that a product exceeded federal > standards. The CPSC actually encourages manufacturers > to exceed the standards and to test their own > products, which they may promote on the basis of test > results. So where is the consumer confusion USDA is > worried about? > Article 28908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Vicky Rowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are you interested in having a link from a Mead site? Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:54:51 -0800 Organization: http://www.gotmead.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <998g2r0e2i@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-568.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28908 Hi folks, I'm relatively new to sci.ag.beekeeping, and wanted to say 'hey'. My name is Vicky Rowe, and I run a website called GotMead - Mead on the 'net at http://www.gotmead.com . We're looking to add a list of apiaries to our site, and I thought this would be a good place to start. Many of our site visitors prefer to buy their honey direct from the suppliers, and we'd like to accomodate them by putting up a list of your information, if you'd like us to. We'd need your Name/Company Name/Address/Phone/email and website, if you have one. You can either email it to me at gotmead AT gotmead DOT com, or check out the site, and submit it at http://www.gotmead.com/suggestlink.shtml , whichever you like. In either case, thanks in advance for letting us link you! We want to see honey and honey production prosper, and hope this will help in some small way. Please feel free to give us any suggestions you might have, and if you're so inclined, we're also looking for articles on honey, relating to such areas as honey density, composition and sweetness levels, specialty honeys, rare honeys, and 'what you can do to help the bees'. We're getting around 2000 visitors a month, and increasing at about 10% a month. We're hoping to get linked from the National Honey Board, as well. If you don't have a website, but were considering it, please consider using our company, Satori Digital Marketing. We'd love a chance to work with you (since we make mead ourselves and use a lot of honey!) Thanks for your time, and I hope to see our list of apiaries on GotMead grow! Vicky Rowe Proprietor, GotMead - All about mead and honey wine Vicky, da Meadwench "Mead is mad of honny and water boyled both togyther; yf it be fyred and pure, it preserveth helth; but it is not good for them the whiche have the Ilyache or the Colycke. - Andrew Borde, "The Regyment, or a Dyetary of Helth", 1542" Mad about mead? Visit GotMead at http://www.gotmead.com Article 28909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3AB52D24.863D0CC@connectnc.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:48:20 -0500 From: Tracy Nichols Reply-To: tnichols@connectnc.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; CONNECTNC} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,x-ns1DWEY4kWONh5,x-ns2U0e0btwUq5f MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen substitute question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 024.max1.mc-online.net X-Trace: 18 Mar 2001 15:46:10 -0600, 024.max1.mc-online.net Lines: 5 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.shreve.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28909 i was wondering if anyone could answer me this. I wanted to know if pollen substitute could be added to sugar syrup when feeding to add to the colony and if it works the same as patty's if it can be done. Please contact me asap. Article 28910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:25:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no> <99844s$tsk$0@63.68.70.148> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28910 I hate to hear of good stuff going to waste. Try 'coddling' the pears in a sock drawer. Left for a few days you'll find the hard pears will soften, ripen and become just delicious to eat. Not sure about the pear juice being fed as winter feed, doubtful! Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** > We have an old pear tree on our property (very likely a hundred years > old). It produces nice looking pears that ripen in the late fall, but > they are fairly hard (like an apple) and don't make great eating. > (There are always a few softer ones that fall to the ground and are > pretty good though). I've been wondering if pear juice could be used > in my fall feeding to cut my sugar cost, and if it would harm the > bees, etc. Perhaps I'll try it next fall on a hive or two. > > Anyone else try this? > > -Tim, OH Article 28911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen substitute Date: 21 Mar 2001 02:52:59 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 18 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <99952b$ha4$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 985143179 17732 24.95.169.25 (21 Mar 2001 02:52:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2001 02:52:59 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28911 In article <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net>, crashsim@iquest.net says... > >I've heard that bees will forage pollen from cattle feed lots. Does >this mean that cattle feed can be used as a pollen substitute to feed >bees? Can other animal feeds also be used as pollen substitutes to feed >bees? > > They will collect bird seed dust or sawdust, too, if they are desperate for pollen. Even though such substances do not have anything close to the nutritional value of pollen. The best, closest thing nutritionally to pollen is pollen supplement (pollen substitute + pollen), and the next best thing is pollen substitute -- generally a blend of brewer's yeast and soy flour. These provide the necessary proteins for brood production, whereas cattle feed dust most likely would not. Much research has gone into the development of pollen substitutes and AFAIK the yeast/soy flower mix is the closest thing to a really effective substitute. Article 28912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netaxs.newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "CompostKing" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> Subject: Re: New Wanna"bee" beekeeper, revisited... Lines: 88 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <5AUt6.114$o41.19629@newshog.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:44:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.9.205.30 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 985142657 208.9.205.30 (Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:44:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:44:17 EST Organization: Delaware On Line (dol.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28912 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:269 Don, have not heard from you lately. Whats happening? Ed Don Bruder wrote in message news:9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com... > > > Here we go, into the heart of adventureland... > > > So I've picked up a dead hive that consists of a hive body, a deep > super, bottom board, cover, and 20 frames. The thing has been > dead/abandoned for at least 3 years, perhaps more like 5. One of the > sides is marked on the inside with a magic-marker date indicating that > it was probably cut out and shipped from wherever it came from on the > 16th of March, 1990, presumably in the company of 499 other "Sides, > Commercial Hive Body, qty 500" > > I've spent part of the morning going through the frames I've got. 10 are > mounted with sheets of what I believe are called "Plasticell" > foundation, 5 of them have 4 horizontal wires (naked except where the > wax has collapsed into nasty-looking melted blobs) and the other 5 seem > to be made of two sheets of a nearly clear, flat sheet of plastic, held > together on each end with a little metal flange running from top to > bottom, and with wax hexes somehow "printed" onto them, clearly intended > to give the bees a starting place. > > I'm concentrating on the "Plasticell" frames first, since those appear > to be most usable/easily salvaged. > > On all of them, what drawn comb there is/was (I've been removing it on > the advice of a local beekeeper I've had a chat with) shows obvious > signs of having been in the sun for way too long... better than 75% of > it is melted, has "dribbled" down the face of the plastic foundation > into a pool at the bottom, has been crushed out of shape, or is > otherwise damaged, and all of it is incredibly nasty-looking - outright > black, caked with dust, coated over with mud-dauber wasp nests and black > widow spider webs, (and a couple of live widows, apparently there to > keep me on my toes) clear signs of wax-moth infestation (old looking, no > sign of live wax moths that I can see - just tunnels through the comb > that can bee seen by looking into the relatively intact cells) > yellowjacket carcasses (and a few live ones... again, apparently placed > there to keep my life from getting too boring) etc. In short, it's a > disgusting mess, and I'm in agreement with the local beeman's > description of "near total junk" in regards to the wax that's there. > > So I'm merrily scraping the comb off with a knife, exposing (but being > careful not to damage) the plastic below. So far, I've got a tennis > ball-sized wad of truly evil-looking wax and assorted grunge. So far, so > good, right? Maybe... > > Here's the meat of the post... > > Now that I'm down to the bottoms of the cells in the frames that were > (apparently) brood comb, I'm seeing something that's giving me a bit of > a pause. I've been reading about foulbrood. The previous owner (who has > no motivation to lie to me that I know of - He's offered me as many > hives/frames/bottoms/tops/etc as I care to haul away, at zero cost to me > other than the time of doing so) swears up and down that it was mites > that wiped him out, and he never saw any sign of either American or > European foulbrood when he was working the hives. Still, I'm being > rather paranoid about the concept. This looks *SORTA* like the > descriptions I'm reading. > > In the bottom of each cell (bottom in this case referring to "open end > of cell is top, foundation end is bottom", rather than the "gravity > bottom" of an individual, intact cell in normal "in the hive" position) > is a sort of "stack of scales", varying from a coppery-bronze metallic > in color, to near jet black, almost like liquid tar (but solid) and > stuck relatively solidly (I can use the tip of my knife and flake them > out, but they don't come out otherwise) that, when pulled out, easily > separate into 5, 6, 7, and even more individual flakes. The flakes vary > in color, from near-black, to almost transparent golden, and crumble > easily when handled. Should I be worried? If so, what precisely am I > worrying about? If not, why? What am I seeing, and why is it not > something to be concerned about? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts you might have... > > -- > Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail > sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 28913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:53:10 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <18513-3AB825A6-7@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAoQV74sdRYffxVYBco+6PQcx0xYgCFFoZpLqTXID3calWhHe5jdDPwN9f Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28913 Great job beekeep. I would not change a thing! Ray Article 28914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Wanna"bee" beekeeper, revisited... Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:33:10 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 22 Sender: newservice@06-087.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <999hud$ciu$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> <5AUt6.114$o41.19629@newshog.newsread.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 06-087.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 985156365 12894 216.126.149.87 (21 Mar 2001 06:32:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2001 06:32:45 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28914 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:270 In article <5AUt6.114$o41.19629@newshog.newsread.com>, "CompostKing" wrote: > Don, have not heard from you lately. Whats happening? > > Ed Ummm... Mayhap you have me confused with one of the 9 (that I know of from online searches on my surname while trying to figure out where my little sister finally landed) other Don Bruders living in the USA? Don't get me wrong, but I don't recognize either the handle, or the Email address you're using. Perhaps more information would stir my dying brain-cells into retrieving whether or not we actually know each other? -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 28915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:04:13 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Message-ID: References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985162901 nnrp-01:15088 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U Lines: 61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28915 >On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: >>I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two >>hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are >>pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is >>far to high - and woodpeckers love it! Depends on the scale of the order, your bargaining power, and how fussy you are. I am quite at peace with pine and treat it appropriately, and this thus underpins the price I am prepared to pay for woodenware. Bees do not mind fast knots, discolouration, or ugly grain patterns, but your average UK beekeeper does (NOT me!) and thus the catalogue, or even discounted from catalogue, rates are based on what is effectively a furniture grade of box in perfect red cedar. If you 'think bee' rather than 'think Chippendale' things are very different. Lower your expectations a bit, offer them a decent sized order, and you will find you get a price which bears zero relationship to catalogue. We took delivery of 400 cedar brood boxes from Thornes last summer, and a further 600 are reserved. The price was cheaper than anyone else in the UK who was asked to quote could even offer pine at. (I am not going to tell you the price as Paul at Thornes would not like that, but suffice to say it was a very attractive commercially viable price for me, comparable with getting the stuff in from the US and making it up here). Problem now is getting sufficiently wide good quality pine to make the boxes in one piece. Russian red wood is the best available here, but you need 10 inch batons, and finding these without shakes in them is a challenge. However, we have pine boxes in service which are still perfectly good after 40 years, and this is as broods in the field all year rather than tucked up in a shed with the supers. Whilst I prefer red wood over white, nonetheless we have some white wood ones still in service after 30 years. (By now they are getting close to the end, although the attrition up to now will be no more than 5% in total of the number originally made.) One good coat of preservative when new and never touched again. A batch of redwood boxes made by Dave Cotterill in the mid 80's still look near to new today 16 seasons on. You would pick them as being no more than 5 years old. So, there is nothing wrong with pine if you treat it fairly well and regard it as of SLIGHTLY lesser lifespan. Thus we have both and would not discriminate between red pine and cedar, only price would dictate. White wood is inferior but can still make a perfectly serviceable box for you if money is tight. Murray ps. There are not many of them, but when my father was starting out in bees he was very short of cash, so in the winter of 1949, in his garden shed, he started making his own hive parts up. He used timber he recovered from wartime packing cases which contained tractors from the US. This was pine of uncertain and mixed quality. He made brood boxes and supers. Every single one of these boxes is still in service to this day. He painted them, and they have never needed repainting in all that time. -- Murray McGregor Article 28916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rape Honey Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:15:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <20010317111732.06567.00000490@nso-fr.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985168332 nnrp-02:15653 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28916 In article <20010317111732.06567.00000490@nso-fr.aol.com>, ADMALIN writes >If you can't spare it 2 minutes in the microwave you can use it as it is. Don't microwave honey if you care about the enzymes in it. -- James Kilty Article 28917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AB8B872.3036C263@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no> <99844s$tsk$0@63.68.70.148> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 64 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:19:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 985184371 64.244.8.120 (Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:19:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:19:31 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28917 Hi,
I, too, hate to see the waste of good fruit.  I read in an article by Sally Small, a pear grower at the Pettigrew Fruit Company in Walnut Grove, California, "FineCooking" Oct/Nov '95, some information you may find helpful.  It said, "In October come the dependable autumn pears, the firmer baking and poaching pears, the better storing pears.  (In fact, some of the autumn varieties need to rest for nearly a month in commercial cold storage to bring out their proper flavor.)"  The article also later says, "Another reason for the paucity of ripe pears is that pears must be ripened off the tree."  . . . . "Some growers pick their fruit before it matures in order to catch the high prices early in the season.  This immature fruit lacks sugar.  It looks fine, but it will taste woody when ripe, or it will shrivel and never ripen at all."  Finally, this quote may help as well:  "You will have prettier fruit if you ripen your pears in your own kitchen.  It they come wrapped in a flat, leave them there: the less handling the better.  Otherwise, wrap each pear in tissue or old newspaper and set it in a cardboard box or a brown paper bag--but not plastic.  You are simply trying to increase the concentration of ethylene gases that pears naturally emit without smothering the fruit.  A cool (60-70 degrees F), dark place is ideal.  A pear should ripen slowly.  When it yellows slightly and yields to the touch at the neck . . ." it is ripe.

So, my advise is to pick the fruit when some begin to fall off so that it has matured enough, place the pears in boxes or bags as mentioned above and find a cool spot in your home to leave them for awhile.  I ripen pears that I purchase in a paper bag in my pantry (not cool, about 72 degrees F) and they are quite ripe in 5 to 7 days.  I can tell when they are ready by the fruity smell they give off.  But it is also wise to check them.

Hope this helps,
Tina Drazba

David Eyre wrote:

I hate to hear of good stuff going to waste. Try 'coddling' the pears in a
sock drawer. Left for a few days you'll find the hard pears will soften,
ripen and become just delicious to eat.
        Not sure about the pear juice being fed as winter feed, doubtful!
            Regards Dave....--
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> We have an old pear tree on our property (very likely a hundred years
> old).  It produces nice looking pears that ripen in the late fall, but
> they are fairly hard (like an apple) and don't make great eating.
> (There are always a few softer ones that fall to the ground and are
> pretty good though).  I've been wondering if pear juice could be used
> in my fall feeding to cut my sugar cost, and if it would harm the
> bees, etc.  Perhaps I'll try it next fall on a hive or two.
>
> Anyone else try this?
>
> -Tim, OH

Article 28918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:07:28 -0500 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <99ag3j$dnl2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985187252 450210 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28918 Who was it that said .. you must be pretty dumb if you can't spell a word more than one way!!! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Bill Wallace" wrote in message news:992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net... > Hello all > Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. > I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I > have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen colonies > planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee yard > I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have > the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting ready > to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > Article 28919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen substitute question Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:10:18 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <99ag8s$f8nn$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3AB52D24.863D0CC@connectnc.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985187423 500471 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28919 If you are making pollen substitute patties yes.. add syrup to the mix. Don't make your patties to running or you'll have a mess. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Tracy Nichols" wrote in message news:3AB52D24.863D0CC@connectnc.net... > i was wondering if anyone could answer me this. I wanted to know if > pollen substitute could be added to sugar syrup when feeding to add to > the colony and if it works the same as patty's if it can be done. Please > contact me asap. > Article 28920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AB52D24.863D0CC@connectnc.net> Subject: Re: pollen substitute question Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:09:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 985190941 66.31.137.46 (Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:09:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:09:01 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28920 "Tracy Nichols" wrote in message news:3AB52D24.863D0CC@connectnc.net... > i was wondering if anyone could answer me this. I wanted to know if > pollen substitute could be added to sugar syrup when feeding to add to > the colony and if it works the same as patty's if it can be done. Yes it can. The instructions that come with the pollen substitute generally have instructions on how to make a patty. -Steve Article 28921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:20:16 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <99ansg$1bh$0@63.68.70.162> References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no> <99844s$tsk$0@63.68.70.148> <3AB8B872.3036C263@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.162 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28921 On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:19:31 GMT, Christopher Drazba wrote: >
I, too, hate to see the waste of good fruit.  I read in an article >by Sally Small, a pear grower at the Pettigrew Fruit Company in Walnut >Grove, California, "FineCooking" Oct/Nov '95, some information you may >find helpful.  It said, "In October come the dependable autumn pears, >the firmer baking and poaching pears, the better storing pears.  (In >fact, some of the autumn varieties need to rest for nearly a month in commercial >cold storage to bring out their proper flavor.)"  The article also >later says, "Another reason for the paucity of ripe pears is that pears >must be ripened off the tree."  . . . . "Some growers pick >their fruit before it matures in order to catch the high prices early in >the season. Thanks for the info. I'll try that this fall. The only pears I'm familiar with growing were best eaten right off the tree, so this old tree really had me guessing. -Tim Article 28922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!isdnet!isdnethub!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:20:52 +0100 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <99b9kr$2pq4$2@news6.isdnet.net> References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn-213-36-130-135.ppp.libertysurf.fr X-Trace: news6.isdnet.net 985213403 91972 213.36.130.135 (21 Mar 2001 22:23:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@isdnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2001 22:23:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28922 Bonjour from south of France, ;-)) Caution ! Last year I got some late honey from hives near plum trees. It was dark smelling plum but not dry enough. I had to keep it in a refrigerator to prevent fermentation. We have similar problem with grape residues in vineyards. The juice cropped by bees is so rich in ferments that it is highly susceptible to fermentation, even if tested at 15% of water only ! I do not feel confident to feed with such sugar juice because the ferments and mineral elements may jam the "stomach" of the bees that is not good condition for wintering. -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ "Anthony Morgan" a écrit dans le message news: 3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no... > Liz wrote: > > > > Our pear tree is dropping it's excess fruit and the birds and chickens are > > eating them. Yesterday afternoon when picking up the half eaten ones to > > compost, I found they all had 2-4 bees working away at them. It is the > > beginning of Autumn here now and the nectar is drying up - as it does! Can > > someone please tell me - are the bees after the sugar in the fruit? or > > something else? > > Thanks > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > Bees are known to collect fruit juice when nothing else is on offer, > however they do not go to perfect fruit only fruit that has been damaged > by some other insect (such as wasps), by birds or by mechanical damage. > > Four years ago we had some late season plum juice honey - it was > delightful! > We had an excess of fruit which we had no time to pick and as this > became over-ripe it was attacked by wasps. The frames (wood) were > stained yellow and the hives smelled of plum, the honey was also a > golden yellow colour and did not crystallize. > > Tony > -- > Anthony N Morgan, > Førsteamanuensis > Institutt for Elektroteknikk > Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag > N-7005 Trondheim, Norway > anthony@iet.hist.no > Tlf. 73 55 96 04 > Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 28923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update archive fixed Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:58:52 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 23 Message-ID: <99bb9j$kl6$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip122.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 985215091 21158 195.215.97.122 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28923 The update installation had a typing error so that it could not install the help files and aborted. Now fixed. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update.exe only valid in conjunction with the full install -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Front page of wired ..we dont' use computers Message-ID: <3ab9f30e.84257125@west.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:41:28 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:42:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28924 "Beekeepers don't really use computers. They're out looking after their bees, not sitting in front of a computer." http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42316,00.html Eric Mussen, an apiculturist, isn't sure how beekeepers will take to new hive-simulation software that may help combat a lethal bee parasite. Article 28925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Front page of wired ..we dont' use computers Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:10:57 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ab9f30e.84257125@west.usenetserver.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28925 Interesting article. I'm not sure that a beekeeper would 'abandon the hive' if varroa population get high as stated in the article. The software sounds interesting, but I wonder of what practical use it would be to a beekeeper after he/she understood the rate of varroa population growth, seems like anyone managing more than a few hives for a couple of years would soon have that info under their belt. Funny, we've been using computers in our sideline operation right from the beginning, not only to manage our website, greathoney.com, but also to manage the hives. We purchased a handheld Jornada last year and keep all of our hive records on a database. I noticed that Jorn has a posting today about his software. We use a database from HandDbase http://www.ddhsoftware.com that cost 24.95 for both the desktop and handheld versions. Works great and is a great help for analyzing data from our hives. Some thoughts. chris www.greathoney.com Article 28926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Front page of wired ..we dont' use computers Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:20:38 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 104 Message-ID: <99disg$djb$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3ab9f30e.84257125@west.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip52.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 985288400 13931 195.215.97.52 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28926 "Dave Hamilton" skrev i en meddelelse news:3ab9f30e.84257125@west.usenetserver.com... > "Beekeepers don't really use computers. They're out looking after > their bees, not sitting in front of a computer." As a beekeeper you need all practical help possible. But I want to put some comments to the above! You have give priority to your time strongly, to get maximum of joy! First you have to take care of your wife/husband and children. I am sure I don't need to pin this out :) Then you have to take care of yourself and please remember life is more than bees. Now you can take care of your bees. and then use all the tools available for making this work easy as possible. well invested money are those used for making the heavy lift of honey to a case not ruining our bags. I have read this : when it gives honey it gives money, and when it gives money it gives strength (Bernhard Swinty) Newer the less, heavy lifts are reason for a lot of 'Beekeeper diseases'. about computer and beekeeping then you can find some interesting education software on the net. I want to point you to P.O.Gustafson in Sweden. (his software is on my CD) I also know about a Dutch CD software with a lot of beekeeping knowledge on it. Of American software I know about a Disease introduction software. So for the hivenote software around: the newest is the 'Beekeeper' build on the need from a Canadian migration beekeeper with thousands of hives. Then you have a German software and also a Austrian software but limited to German language. There have been a software from new Zealand to but it seems to have disappeared from the net. Snip.... I noticed that Jorn has a posting today about his software. We use a database from HandDbase http://www.ddhsoftware.com that cost 24.95 for both the desktop and handheld versions. Works great and is a great help for analyzing data from our Snip.... The problem with databases Such as predefined layouts is that they will limit the beekeeper . I am working very hard on both keeping my software within the frame of beekeeping, but also so flexible that it can be used by everyone. Of course I am creative, it is my nature, and sometimes it hits back on me being to impulsive and not testing my software properly before releasing. Shame on me YES, but I am just a beekeeper having this crazy idea of making software for the beekeeping and not for my sake. I have long time ago got what I need. But I am still trying to improve my software so that it is much more easy to use. It has been going on for a lot of years now, and I don't think I will stop before Alzheimer take over. The handheld software I have created is definitely only designed for beekeeping. It is though limited to Palm OS based handhelds, but there is a lot of those on the marked. As a new thing to this Handheld software of mine, is the use of a scanner, that simply places the handheld on the right record in handheld database. In practice I only work with one record for each hive thereby saving handheld memory. This means you can have several thousands hives on the handheld. And then the use of scanner is very useful to locate the correct record. I have also made it very simple to set-up the hives in database, by auto creating the hives in database. and at the same time group the hives. Later you can colour the groups and thereby get an easy overview of the hives belonging together. An intersting issue could be what data is needed for Hivenotes. I think, at least here in Europe, there is a national suggestion for the layout of notes, based on years of practical beekeeping. And please remember this is work based on thousands of beekeepers national wide. I think the most important note to make is 'what to do next time you visit the apiary'. A beekeeper 14 days to three weeks ahead of the bees is far better bound for success than the beekeeper looking backward, in my eyes 'wasting time on trying to remember how the weather was a month ago'. Such notes as about the weather is second priority information. But of course all this is individual for each of us. I personal find it much more relevant to keep an eye on the bees, and be ahead of them if possible. I think you should do yourself a favor and take a second look at my software. A loot has gone on and have been done since my first try in this 'software matter'. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Mar 2001 01:32:37 GMT References: <992ge7$5sc$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Rape Honey Message-ID: <20010322203237.25681.00000500@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28928 >we cream it every time. 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Tim Article 28929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: "Hortimación" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New web site Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:08:31 -0600 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 31 Message-ID: <99fl0p$bp7$26@diana.bcn.ttd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp145-infovia.accesosis.es X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28929 Visit us: www.hortimacion.com Dears Sirs, Because of your interest in the agriculture and or greenhouse industry, we thought it would be interesting to invite you to our website, where you can find a scale of products and services related to the mentioned industry and to your activities. 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I have 1 hive of italians this is my first winter. My hive has about 4 frames of bees. plenty of honey and pollen and all looks well. BUT the books I've read say the queen starts laying again in february starts slowly and builds up. I have no brood. This got me worrying so on a recent warm day I pulled some frames. There were maybe 5 or 6 capped drone cells here and there. no eggs, no larva and no capped brood. My first thought was that I have no queen so I called the place I got my nuc from and they said that its too early for brood, nothing to worry about. What do you think? Also I had drones late into the fall and winter, and saw at least one when I pulled the frames. Is this as bad as I think? Thanks for any help Dave Article 28931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:41:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3abbb45d.692035205@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28931 On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:51:07 -0500, "J&DC" wrote: >Hello, >I live in western MA. I have 1 hive of italians this is my first winter. >My hive has about 4 frames of bees. plenty of honey and pollen and all >looks well. BUT the books I've read say the queen starts laying again in >february starts slowly and builds up. I have no brood. This got me >worrying so on a recent warm day I pulled some frames. There were maybe 5 >or 6 capped drone cells here and there. no eggs, no larva and no capped >brood. My first thought was that I have no queen so I called the place I >got my nuc from and they said that its too early for brood, nothing to worry >about. What do you think? Also I had drones late into the fall and winter, >and saw at least one when I pulled the frames. Is this as bad as I think? >Thanks for any help >Dave > > > You should have plenty of capped brood by now. I'm in Maryland and the queens start laying on Christmas day. No later than the first week of January. Personally I think they can detect the days getting longer. beekeep Article 28932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:13:13 -0800 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-129.reachone.com Message-ID: <3abc01c3@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 23 Mar 2001 18:09:07 -0800, tc1-129.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-129.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28932 I start feeding a 1:1 sugar syrup about a month before the dandelions bloom. I understand that that particular mixture simulates nectar flow & increases laying. for what it's worth... Article 28933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "johnniki" References: <992ge7$5sc$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <20010322203237.25681.00000500@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Rape Honey Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:33:57 -0800 Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <#epf$QCtAHA.338@cpmsnbbsa07> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust11.tnt26.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.72.11 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28933 The recipe I just recently read said to mix 8 cups honey with 10 oz creamed honey, in a mixer from 10 to 15 minutes. Cover & let stand at room temperature for 2 weeks, then it is ready to use & should keep at room temp. for about a year. I'm assuming you use the 'spun' honey purchased at the grocery store, but I haven't tried this recipe yet. I don't know how you'd do it without the 'starter' honey, though. My recipe didn't let on. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010322203237.25681.00000500@ng-cs1.aol.com... > >we cream it every time. > > Is that something called Honey Cream? In what way how do it made? > Tim Article 28934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:47:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3abc885a.746289413@news1.radix.net> References: <3abc01c3@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28934 On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:13:13 -0800, "K Adney" wrote: >I start feeding a 1:1 sugar syrup about a month before the dandelions bloom. >I understand that that particular mixture simulates nectar flow & increases >laying. > >for what it's worth... > > I'll start serving it to my wife right away! While there is nothing wrong with early spring feeding to stimulate brood rearing, I think that pollen has a lot to do with rapid buildup as well. It takes a lot of protein to make brood. beekeep Article 28935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:50 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 985434971 206.231.24.83 (Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:56:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:56:11 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28935 I think your supplier is probably correct. This is a late spring, and definitely not Maryland. All queens vary. Some lay very little until pollen is available. Since there is nothing you can do right off, wait. If the colony fails, so be it. Buy another nuc if need be. Don't waste your money on a queen when we are still in late winter. . J&DC wrote: > Hello, > I live in western MA. I have 1 hive of italians this is my first winter. > My hive has about 4 frames of bees. plenty of honey and pollen and all > looks well. BUT the books I've read say the queen starts laying again in > february starts slowly and builds up. I have no brood. This got me > worrying so on a recent warm day I pulled some frames. There were maybe 5 > or 6 capped drone cells here and there. no eggs, no larva and no capped > brood. My first thought was that I have no queen so I called the place I > got my nuc from and they said that its too early for brood, nothing to worry > about. What do you think? Also I had drones late into the fall and winter, > and saw at least one when I pulled the frames. Is this as bad as I think? > Thanks for any help > Dave Article 28936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 27 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: admalin@aol.com (ADMALIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Mar 2001 14:05:28 GMT References: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Rape Honey (Microwaving of) Message-ID: <20010324090528.25154.00000217@nso-ck.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28936 I quite expected someone to comment on the use of microwaves for liquidising crystalised honey. This has prompted me to do some reading up on the subject, but I cannot find any mention of microwaving in relation to honey. So what are the logical arguments? The principle of heating by microwaves is that the energy produced by the magnetron causes the molecules in the commodity to vibrate rapidly causing friction which in turn produces heat. One can deduce that the only chemical effects come from the heat generated, and so these are no different from any other form of heating. There are plenty of writings on the results produced by the combination of temperature and time. The generally accepted temp for liquidity in honey is 40 deg C. For prolonged liquidity 60 deg C for 2 hours is recommended. Clearly 'perfect' honey is that consumed direct from the comb. Any honey that gets 'tampered with', will have some degree of degradation. As to the enzymes, clearly they are part of the complex chemical nature of honey, but just what do they do? The eminent scientist Dr. Jonathan W. White, Jr. wrote as follows:- "The enzymes in honey have possibly received the greatest amount of research attention over the years, and have supported the greatest burden of nonsense in the lay and even scientific press. The use of enzyme activity as a test for overheating seems to support the supposition by food faddists that the enzymes have a dietectic or nutritional significance of themselves." I believe that honey is principally a source of energy by virtue of its sugars, which on average make up about 80% of the constituents. All the other benefits are marginal. Tony Malin Article 28937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Mar 2001 16:32:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: What's Buzzin' in My Garden? Message-ID: <20010324113256.20828.00000551@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28937 A new photo section designed to help your gardener friends identify the bees and other insects often mistaken for bees in the garden. Most are beneficial http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:19:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28938 On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:50 -0500, michael palmer wrote: >I think your supplier is probably correct. This is a late spring, and definitely >not Maryland. All queens vary. Some lay very little until pollen is available. >Since there is nothing you can do right off, wait. If the colony fails, so be >it. Buy another nuc if need be. Don't waste your money on a queen when we are >still in late winter. . > >J&DC wrote: > I'd be willing to bet that they have brood in Canada right now. beekeep Article 28939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:07:18 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-xyf/LL/4sMMA7eI4jRnvsZfEc5ldlzHMS8XBBfHZj0fpYjonzFsrhuMnVYR6BulORDHqycwStUdTqKx!jRs7dHMua7v6fa2l5PuLnvmLY0PDuq1uECnKVFZQaj0bg6/t6RQQvx+bGWqI0ePpm0BUvcM4B8b1!VV3mM3kaFrw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:04:01 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28939 Thanks for the ideas, A new nuc is $60 I'd like to avoid that if I can. As you say there may be nothing I can do. I gave pollen sub. but they don't tuch it. I guess if theres no brood they have no use for it. Going on a queen search today!! 50 degrees, 2 feet of snow. wish me luck! dave "beekeep" wrote in message news:3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:50 -0500, michael palmer > wrote: > > >I think your supplier is probably correct. This is a late spring, and definitely > >not Maryland. All queens vary. Some lay very little until pollen is available. > >Since there is nothing you can do right off, wait. If the colony fails, so be > >it. Buy another nuc if need be. Don't waste your money on a queen when we are > >still in late winter. . > > > >J&DC wrote: > > > > I'd be willing to bet that they have brood in Canada right now. > > beekeep > Article 28940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.91.0.34!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:35:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 985462534 24.147.172.21 (Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:35:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:35:34 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28940 Can some one send me instructions on blocking a particular sender? I'm tried of this asinine replies. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:50 -0500, michael palmer > wrote: > > >I think your supplier is probably correct. This is a late spring, and definitely > >not Maryland. All queens vary. Some lay very little until pollen is available. > >Since there is nothing you can do right off, wait. If the colony fails, so be > >it. Buy another nuc if need be. Don't waste your money on a queen when we are > >still in late winter. . > > > >J&DC wrote: > > > > I'd be willing to bet that they have brood in Canada right now. > > beekeep > Article 28941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister2.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey heater Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:43:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.75.67.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister2.starband.net 985463023 148.75.67.98 (Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:43:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:43:43 EST Organization: Starband Communications Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28941 I am in the process of converting an old refrigerator to store honey. I have read several places about putting in a light bulb for heat and a thermostat to control the temp. Does anyone know where I can find a thermostat that will go up to 120 degrees? -- Article 28942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:23:30 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28942 I just received my new queen (russian) and I won't be able to put her in the hive until tuesday (3/27). I put a couple of drops of honey on the screen. I noticed that a couple of the nurse bees have died. I've put the bees on top of my computer monitor. The temp on top is 86 degrees. Am I doing the right things? Do you think the queen will live until tuesday? Article 28944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:48:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3abd2397.786019094@news1.radix.net> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28944 On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:35:34 GMT, "David Verville" wrote: >Can some one send me instructions on blocking a particular sender? >I'm tried of this asinine replies. > They make software that has a thing called a filter. You just plug in the name you don't want to see and the posts don't appear. beekeep Article 28945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey heater Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:51:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3abd24a5.786289159@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28945 On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:43:43 GMT, "Lowell Hutchison" wrote: >I am in the process of converting an old refrigerator to store honey. I >have read several places about putting in a light bulb for heat and a >thermostat to control the temp. Does anyone know where I can find a >thermostat that will go up to 120 degrees? > Honeywell makes them. They are rated for line voltages as well. Any good air conditioning supply house should be able to get you one. Don't expect to get away for a couple of bucks though. beekeep Article 28946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:42:10 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28946 Not on top of your computer! Put her in a dark, cool (not cold) place and she'll be fine. It's normal for an attendant or two to die. My two cents. chris www.greathoney.com Article 28947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!194.109.133.3!transit.news.xs4all.nl!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:40:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3abd3e12.792798879@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28947 On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:23:30 -0500, "Mr. Dixon" wrote: >I just received my new queen (russian) and I won't be able to put her in the >hive until tuesday (3/27). I put a couple of drops of honey on the screen. >I noticed that a couple of the nurse bees have died. I've put the bees on >top of my computer monitor. The temp on top is 86 degrees. Am I doing the >right things? Do you think the queen will live until tuesday? > > On top of the computer may dehydrate and kill them. Sitting on a counter at room temp and out of the sun would be much better. She will probably make it. If all the attendents die, add a couple of bees from the hive to help feed her. beekeep Article 28948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ABD6DEC.10B7D80A@mediaone.net> From: Barry Meltzer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey heater References: <3abd24a5.786289159@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:01:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 985492886 24.128.21.130 (Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:01:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:01:26 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28948 They also make wafer thermostats for poultry brooders. You should be able to get one at your local farm supply store. They are not that expensive. It won't be as accurate as an electronic one, but should do the trick. Most poultry equipment catalogs and/or web pages should have them as well. HTH, Barry beekeep wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:43:43 GMT, "Lowell Hutchison" > wrote: > > >I am in the process of converting an old refrigerator to store honey. I > >have read several places about putting in a light bulb for heat and a > >thermostat to control the temp. Does anyone know where I can find a > >thermostat that will go up to 120 degrees? > > > Honeywell makes them. They are rated for line voltages as well. Any > good air conditioning supply house should be able to get you one. > Don't expect to get away for a couple of bucks though. > > beekeep Article 28949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.fairs.renaissance Subject: New group: rec.crafts.meadmaking Keywords: mead, melomel, rec.crafts.meadmaking, honey Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 05:10:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 985497000 24.163.160.238 (Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:10:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:10:00 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu news.groups:387875 rec.crafts.brewing:258414 rec.crafts.winemaking:70046 rec.food.historic:24548 rec.org.sca:316031 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28949 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:271 alt.fairs.renaissance:129308 There's a new Usenet newsgroup for mead makers: rec.crafts.meadmaking. This newsgroup was just created. Some ISPs do not automatically add new groups. If you don't see this group by the end of March, you may want to contact your ISP and ask them to add this group to their newsfeed. Please contact me if you have any questions. Christopher Hadden Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking http://mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html chadden@contecrayon.com Article 28950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Mar 2001 05:43:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: honey heater Message-ID: <20010325004335.18673.00000598@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28950 > > >I am in the process of converting an old refrigerator to store honey. I >have read several places about putting in a light bulb for heat and a >thermostat to control the temp. Does anyone know where I can find a >thermostat that will go up to 120 degrees? I have used a water heater thermostat in the past. It is very easy to adjust,capable of handling the current and costs aprox. $15. Article 28951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rape Honey (Microwaving of) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:23:57 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <20010324090528.25154.00000217@nso-ck.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28951 I was surprised nobody commented, However, I recall there being some talk on this group before about the use of microwaves. May be worth a look at the archives. I have microwaved a few jars but I think the main problem is controlling the temperature. Like heating bottles of babies milk, you get 'hot spots'. On 24 Mar 2001 14:05:28 GMT, admalin@aol.com (ADMALIN) wrote: >I quite expected someone to comment on the use of microwaves for liquidising >crystalised honey. This has prompted me to do some reading up on the subject, >but I cannot find any mention of microwaving in relation to honey. Article 28952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey heater Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:33:04 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010325004335.18673.00000598@ng-ce1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28952 I have just purchased a thermostat from RS Components in the UK. See their website www.rscwww.com part number 339-291. It opens (cuts off) at 40 deg C +/-3 deg C. Cost about two pounds sixty ( 3.9 US$ at 1.5 US$/pound) I intend putting it inside the warmer, wired into the power line for the bulb. May stick a couple of LEDs in to indicate the system is working. On 25 Mar 2001 05:43:35 GMT, casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) wrote: >> >> >>I am in the process of converting an old refrigerator to store honey. I >>have read several places about putting in a light bulb for heat and a >>thermostat to control the temp. Does anyone know where I can find a >>thermostat that will go up to 120 degrees? > >I have used a water heater thermostat in the past. >It is very easy to adjust,capable of handling the current and costs aprox. $15. Article 28953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:50:01 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28953 On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:35:34 GMT, "David Verville" wrote: >Can some one send me instructions on blocking a particular sender? >I'm tried of this asinine replies. Outlook Express - Tools-->Message rules-->Blocked senders list. HTH. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.html Article 28954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:13:03 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <4tpnbtknjtisq8uf96plmfs99d9indq9pj@4ax.com> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28954 On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:04:13 +0000, Murray McGregor wrote: I admit to being corrected on the question of white wood hives. I have spoken to a supplier suggested, David Cotterill, and am impressed. I will given them a try. Article 28955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping palm software url corrected Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:45:34 +0200 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 24 Message-ID: <99koq5$edb$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip85.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 985523845 14763 195.215.97.85 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28955 I hope the sysop will stop restoring old htlm pages here is the correct urls: http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_palm.exe http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatapalmup.exe remember to save with fuld name and extensions -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:17:57 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 985529565 206.231.24.216 (Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:12:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:12:45 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28956 Excuse me? I thought this was a discussion group. If you don't agree with what is said, discuss it! No one is always correct. Growth comes from comparing notes, not by being an ostrich or a facist. It is my opinion that a colony of bees coming out of winter without a queen is surely lost. They are dead and they don't know it. Dave states that his colony has no brood save for a few capped drones. Beekeep says that all colonies should have brood by now. In fact, he says that colonies in Canada should have brood by now. I believe this is so. And Dave's colony doesn't. Why would there be drone brood present? There could be a drone layer, or perhaps laying workers. Further, all the bees in Dave's colony are old bees. Do you really believe that a colony in such condition can be requeened? I don't. He has only one colony, and no emerging brood to add to his queenless unit. Trying to requeen this colony is throwing good money after bad. So, Dave will buy a new queen for about $15. When the result is failure, he will have to buy a replacement nuc anyway. But, instead of costing $60, he will now have spent $75. David Verville, this is my opinion. It is my opinion from experience. If you don't agree with me fine, say so and counter with an intelligent post. Don't clog up the list with negativity. Michael Palmer David Verville wrote: > Can some one send me instructions on blocking a particular sender? > I'm tried of this asinine replies. > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net... > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:50 -0500, michael palmer > > wrote: > > > > >I think your supplier is probably correct. This is a late spring, and > definitely > > >not Maryland. All queens vary. Some lay very little until pollen is > available. > > >Since there is nothing you can do right off, wait. If the colony fails, > so be > > >it. Buy another nuc if need be. Don't waste your money on a queen when we > are > > >still in late winter. . > > > > > >J&DC wrote: > > > > > > > I'd be willing to bet that they have brood in Canada right now. > > > > beekeep > > Article 28957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Mar 2001 16:38:27 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Rape Honey (Microwaving of) Message-ID: <20010325113827.13045.00000504@ng-fv1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28957 http://www.texasdrone.com/Medicinal/Radiation%20Ovens.htm This might be an interesting article for some Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 28958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.103.111.5!news.voicenet.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 83 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:56:00 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-dm5CycB3tyoMIn/mUwy8mv4+6mPP/unPSn2ZeTw7+gyzjQ5ftaxNTRwxjdHf4o5EYKFceXdQawLcftC!qa89pNncx9B7sLxuD8988CtklmwTIzBjBCZHYXLCaIM7ckMXCOL8aHspt6Zkt86zWHi0gkS3Yf28!Gl4FLK4tECQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:03:14 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28958 Thank you for some info! I found the queen yesterday, But I think that there is somthing very wrong. There is only drone brood maybe 10 or 12 capped cells. Some larva now but the cells are built up as they will be drones also. I found 3 queen cups on the bottom of the frames but can't say if they were used or not. My queen was not marked so this could be a diferent one. There are live drones in the cluster but mostly workers. I just want to know if there is anything that can be done. The books I've got offer no info on how to handle this kind of situation. I can accept the loss of the colony if there is no option and will order a package but don't want to give up too easily. Also I would like to know what happend so I can avoid this in the future. Dave "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net... > Excuse me? I thought this was a discussion group. If you don't agree with what > is said, discuss it! No one is always correct. Growth comes from comparing > notes, not by being an ostrich or a facist. > It is my opinion that a colony of bees coming out of winter without a queen > is surely lost. They are dead and they don't know it. Dave states that his > colony has no brood save for a few capped drones. Beekeep says that all colonies > should have brood by now. In fact, he says that colonies in Canada should have > brood by now. I believe this is so. And Dave's colony doesn't. Why would there > be drone brood present? There could be a drone layer, or perhaps laying workers. > Further, all the bees in Dave's colony are old bees. Do you really believe that > a colony in such condition can be requeened? I don't. He has only one colony, > and no emerging brood to add to his queenless unit. Trying to requeen this > colony is throwing good money after bad. So, Dave will buy a new queen for about > $15. When the result is failure, he will have to buy a replacement nuc anyway. > But, instead of costing $60, he will now have spent $75. > David Verville, this is my opinion. It is my opinion from experience. If you > don't agree with me fine, say so and counter with an intelligent post. Don't > clog up the list with negativity. > > > Michael Palmer > > David Verville wrote: > > > Can some one send me instructions on blocking a particular sender? > > I'm tried of this asinine replies. > > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > news:3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net... > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:50 -0500, michael palmer > > > wrote: > > > > > > >I think your supplier is probably correct. This is a late spring, and > > definitely > > > >not Maryland. All queens vary. Some lay very little until pollen is > > available. > > > >Since there is nothing you can do right off, wait. If the colony fails, > > so be > > > >it. Buy another nuc if need be. Don't waste your money on a queen when we > > are > > > >still in late winter. . > > > > > > > >J&DC wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'd be willing to bet that they have brood in Canada right now. > > > > > > beekeep > > > > > > Article 28959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ed Carthell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping history? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:06:38 -0800 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.145.228.93 Message-ID: <3abe459b$1_1@news.pacifier.com> X-Trace: 25 Mar 2001 11:23:07 PDT, 198.145.228.93 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!198.145.228.93 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28959 I am new to beekeeping I have 2 hives and having fun with it. What I am looking for is any information on the history of beekeeping between the years 1000 and 1600. I am also in a historical reenactment group and am working on a presentation and need help. I am trying to go in depth and have documentation of the information. If any one could help point me in the right direction or have the information I would be grateful for your help. Edward -- Article 28960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Various spring questions Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:48:46 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28960 Hi folks, I got a few miscellaneous questions: 1) I medicated with Terramycin last fall. Do I need to do it again this spring? 2) My queens are laying & doing good & I just reversed brood boxes to help prevent swarming. Do I need to swap them back at any time during the spring or summer, or do I just leave them as they are until next year? 3) I have read that you should gradually replace old comb with new, maybe two frames per year per box. What is a good strategy to do this without unduly disturbing the brood nest? 4) Some of my hives are making a lot of drone comb between the top and bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or cut it out? Is this a sign of overcrowding? If so, what should I do, since I already reversed boxes & it's too early to add honey supers? Thanks for any help you can give, Rodney (3rd year beekeeper) -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 28961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> <97rg2l01tnj@drn.newsguy.com> <51eq6.19595$Cq.472137@news2-hme0> <31qnat0l6fgni0s9orb0tiiicocd7d7d4q@4ax.com> Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:46:09 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.135.90 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 985553646 212.137.135.90 (Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:54:06 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:54:06 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28961 ... but not everyone buys brood boxes by the thousand! I have always bought pine and treated by dipping in hot paraffin wax. Even twenty year old boxes that I bought second-hand are still in excellent condition. I suspect that they will last as long as cedar - or perhaps longer with the woodpeckers that we have around here! "Murray McGregor" wrote in message news:pK0A60A9BGu6Ewk6@denrosa.demon.co.uk... > > >On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:52:43 -0000, "Peter Edwards" > > wrote: > >>I can't agree with much of this! Certainly, amateurs with just one or two > >>hives often buy cedar, but most of the hives that I know of in this area are > >>pine. For anything other than a very small operation, the price of cedar is > >>far to high - and woodpeckers love it! > > Depends on the scale of the order, your bargaining power, and how fussy > you are. I am quite at peace with pine and treat it appropriately, and > this thus underpins the price I am prepared to pay for woodenware. > > Bees do not mind fast knots, discolouration, or ugly grain patterns, but > your average UK beekeeper does (NOT me!) and thus the catalogue, or even > discounted from catalogue, rates are based on what is effectively a > furniture grade of box in perfect red cedar. If you 'think bee' rather > than 'think Chippendale' things are very different. > > Lower your expectations a bit, offer them a decent sized order, and you > will find you get a price which bears zero relationship to catalogue. We > took delivery of 400 cedar brood boxes from Thornes last summer, and a > further 600 are reserved. The price was cheaper than anyone else in the > UK who was asked to quote could even offer pine at. (I am not going to > tell you the price as Paul at Thornes would not like that, but suffice > to say it was a very attractive commercially viable price for me, > comparable with getting the stuff in from the US and making it up here). > > Problem now is getting sufficiently wide good quality pine to make the > boxes in one piece. Russian red wood is the best available here, but you > need 10 inch batons, and finding these without shakes in them is a > challenge. However, we have pine boxes in service which are still > perfectly good after 40 years, and this is as broods in the field all > year rather than tucked up in a shed with the supers. Whilst I prefer > red wood over white, nonetheless we have some white wood ones still in > service after 30 years. (By now they are getting close to the end, > although the attrition up to now will be no more than 5% in total of the > number originally made.) One good coat of preservative when new and > never touched again. A batch of redwood boxes made by Dave Cotterill in > the mid 80's still look near to new today 16 seasons on. You would pick > them as being no more than 5 years old. So, there is nothing wrong with > pine if you treat it fairly well and regard it as of SLIGHTLY lesser > lifespan. > > Thus we have both and would not discriminate between red pine and cedar, > only price would dictate. White wood is inferior but can still make a > perfectly serviceable box for you if money is tight. > > > Murray > > > ps. There are not many of them, but when my father was starting out in > bees he was very short of cash, so in the winter of 1949, in his garden > shed, he started making his own hive parts up. He used timber he > recovered from wartime packing cases which contained tractors from the > US. This was pine of uncertain and mixed quality. He made brood boxes > and supers. Every single one of these boxes is still in service to this > day. He painted them, and they have never needed repainting in all that > time. > -- > Murray McGregor Article 28962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:30:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3abd3e12.792798879@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 30 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28962 I took your advice and moved her to a nice quite, dark,cool place. They were on top of the computer for about 20 minutes. Today, (sunday)Only one attendant and the queen is still alive.... "beekeep" wrote in message news:3abd3e12.792798879@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:23:30 -0500, "Mr. Dixon" > wrote: > > >I just received my new queen (russian) and I won't be able to put her in the > >hive until tuesday (3/27). I put a couple of drops of honey on the screen. > >I noticed that a couple of the nurse bees have died. I've put the bees on > >top of my computer monitor. The temp on top is 86 degrees. Am I doing the > >right things? Do you think the queen will live until tuesday? > > > > > On top of the computer may dehydrate and kill them. Sitting on a > counter at room temp and out of the sun would be much better. She > will probably make it. If all the attendents die, add a couple of > bees from the hive to help feed her. > > beekeep > Article 28963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: Various spring questions Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:57:10 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 40 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (jwg6 on syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <99lpjm$p9l$2@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-24-95-169-25.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 985557430 25909 24.95.169.25 (25 Mar 2001 21:57:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:57:10 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28963 Hi Rodney - 1) I medicated with Terramycin last fall. Do I need to do it again this spring? Ideally, yes. 2) My queens are laying & doing good & I just reversed brood boxes to help prevent swarming. Do I need to swap them back at any time during the spring or summer, or do I just leave them as they are until next year? Once is fine. Once they are occupying both boxes, they will continue to use both through the active season. Some recommend reversing at 2 wk. intervals, during the spring, but it is considerable work to do it that often, and IMHO disrupting the brood nest so often just isn't warranted. (In any case, repeated reversing does NOT prevent swarming. ...Or it hasn't here!) 3) I have read that you should gradually replace old comb with new, maybe two frames per year per box. What is a good strategy to do this without unduly disturbing the brood nest? In the autum, check the combs and place the "worst" or most drone-cell laden ones at the outside positions. Then in the spring you can remove these, and place two frames w/foundation at the center of the box. Replacing combs like this isn't entirely necessary, though, if the ones in place are all in fine condition. 4) Some of my hives are making a lot of drone comb between the top and bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or cut it out? Is this a sign of overcrowding? If so, what should I do, since I already reversed boxes & it's too early to add honey supers? You can remove it if it is interfering with manipulations. Incidentally, I reverse once, and while performing this operation, slice the excess burr comb off the bottom bars while tipping the box up on end. A little smoke will drive the bees away from the bottom bars and you can slice off the worst of it with your hive tool. j Article 28964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rape Honey (Microwaving of) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:29:26 +0100 Message-ID: <4SF78+AGFnv6Ew+D@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <98u40p$a7s$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <20010324090528.25154.00000217@nso-ck.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985560435 nnrp-13:6227 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28964 In article <20010324090528.25154.00000217@nso-ck.aol.com>, ADMALIN writes >I believe that honey is principally a source of energy by virtue of its sugars, >which on average make up about 80% of the constituents. All the other benefits >are marginal. When we reduce food to energy etc. or chemicals we fall into a trap. I know a farmer who ridicules farmyard manure because there's only 5% nitrogen. The trap is a limited model which has some advantages but many disadvantages - these will be invisible unless you realise the "world view" behind it is a limited one. I prefer to believe that the enzymes are a vital part of the honey. -- James Kilty Article 28965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!194.109.133.3!transit.news.xs4all.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985560438 nnrp-13:6227 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28965 In article , J&DC writes >Hello, >I live in western MA. I have 1 hive of italians this is my first winter. >My hive has about 4 frames of bees. plenty of honey and pollen and all >looks well. BUT the books I've read say the queen starts laying again in >february starts slowly and builds up. I have no brood. This got me >worrying so on a recent warm day I pulled some frames. There were maybe 5 >or 6 capped drone cells here and there. no eggs, no larva and no capped >brood. Drone layers do that. Some only lay in drone cells - others lay in worker cells as well. I think that's what you have. IMHO find her, kill her and unite the colony to another with worker brood. You might of course like to check if the drone cells have living drones at some stage in them, rather than say chalk brood mummies from last year. -- James Kilty Article 28966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Mar 2001 23:55:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Reveresd box Message-ID: <20010325185508.25620.00000829@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28966 What up with Reveresd Box? Does it mean that u have broods on one side of the box and reveres it so they fill up other side? Another question: I have one small super with bees for them to eat and it set on the top of the deep box. The combs draw across way were you can't pull out the racks to inspect it. I would like to clean up that mess. Now, should I put in a new super in between the deep and the small one that were crooking? Tim Article 28967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!cpierce From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European hornet problem References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Message-ID: Lines: 21 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:56:44 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 985564412 216.80.153.169 (Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:53:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:53:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28967 In article , "Rodney Isom" wrote: > Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try....although the holes will have > to > be larger than a pencil. I dunno if you've seen European hornets or not, > but they're about as big around as your index finger....they make me > nervous > even when I'm in my bee suit! > A friend that use to live near me did not understand the power behind the European hornet. He would take a batmitten racket and swat then when they came around... After explaining their abilities to inflict pain he decided to let then be. Wise choice in my opinion... Charles Article 28968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Mar 2001 00:04:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Bees fans Message-ID: <20010325190449.25620.00000830@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28968 Today I inspect the hive, I've seen three worker face toward the hive with tail sticken outside and they were fan. What does this mean? I can feel the heat is coming out. Tim Article 28969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Mar 2001 00:17:59 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Brood question Message-ID: <20010325191759.25620.00000831@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28969 I don't what I've done, A month before dandelions start to blooms. I make pollen candy and put those at the top bar above the cluster and feed them like hell with 1:1 Sugar syrup. Right now the lid looks like its going to bust. I have to add more rock on top of it. Fact, I found the Queen today at the brood chamber and she look real health. Think I'm going to WallyMart to buy fake tree and sit it near 20' at the front of the hive it case start to swarm and that way I don't have to cut down tree. Article 28970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.91.0.34!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:23:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 985566216 24.147.172.21 (Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:23:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:23:36 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28970 "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net... > Excuse me? I thought this was a discussion group. If you don't agree with what Mike Palmer, First let me say that after reading your response, I should have responded to the message prior to yours. My request for information to blocker a user was not directed towards you, although I can see why you did take offense. It should have been sent in response to the person who misspells the word beekeeper. I agree that a discussion group is where information should be exchanged, however, in a mature, civil, friendly manner. Several others have also mentioned the coarseness of this particular person. People from all age groups read this news group and this persons responses are vulgar, with adult innuendoes and often down right flames. It is these "potty-mouth" responses from this particular reader that I wish to block. Article 28971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European hornet problem Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:34:27 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28971 I've never been stung by one & I understand they're not particularly aggressive, but anything that size would have to pack quite a punch, just by sheer volume of venom. I guess swatting them with a racket would work, but just make sure you don't miss!! Those things look about as big as a badminton birdie anyhow....especially when they're coming right at you. Charles wrote in message news:cpierce-9DC53D.17564425032001@nntp.usit.net... > In article , "Rodney Isom" > wrote: > > > Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try....although the holes will have > > to > > be larger than a pencil. I dunno if you've seen European hornets or not, > > but they're about as big around as your index finger....they make me > > nervous > > even when I'm in my bee suit! > > > > A friend that use to live near me did not understand the power behind > the European hornet. He would take a batmitten racket and swat then when > they came around... > > After explaining their abilities to inflict pain he decided to let then > be. > > Wise choice in my opinion... > > Charles Article 28972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping history? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:40:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3abe459b$1_1@news.pacifier.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28972 what you seek can bee found in eva crane's "the world history of beekeeping and honey hunting" (1999) ISBN 0-415-92467-7 truly a great read...good luck and enjoy! Ed Carthell <> wrote in message news:3abe459b$1_1@news.pacifier.com... > ...looking for is any information on the history of beekeeping between the > years 1000 and 1600... Article 28973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ABF33F3.91DE58E5@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European hornet problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:20:03 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 985608885 206.231.24.228 (Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:14:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:14:45 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28973 I have a funny story about European hornets. I was at the EAS meeting in Lancaster PA years ago. My friend, his woman and I were visiting Dupont Gardens during a break. As we walked through the gates, one of these hornets, carrying a locust, crashed into Michelle. It dropped its prey on the ground in front of her. After the hornet flew away, Michelle picked up the locust. She carried it with her during our visit around the gardens, for about an hour. As we got ready to leave, Michelle was carrying the locust in her open hand. When we got to the spot where the hornet had dropped it, the hornet swooped down and grabbed the locust out of Michelle's hand, and flew away. To this day I wonder if that hornet followed us for an hour, waiting for its chance to retake its prey, or it waited at the gates for our return. If I hadn't been there I don't think I would have believed it to be true Mike Rodney Isom wrote: > What's the best way to deal with European hornets (big yellow hornets, we > got 'em in the south) harassing my hives? They're not a problem now, but > later in the summer, they kill & eat a lot of bees. Anything I can do about > them? > > Thanks, > Rodney > > -- > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL (North AL) > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove obvious part to reply) Article 28974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:24:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3abf3416.921253636@news1.radix.net> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28974 On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:03:14 -0500, "J&DC" wrote: >Thank you for some info! >I found the queen yesterday, But I think that there is somthing very wrong. >There is only drone brood maybe 10 or 12 capped cells. Some larva now but >the cells are built up as they will be drones also. I found 3 queen cups on >the bottom of the frames but can't say if they were used or not. My queen >was not marked so this could be a diferent one. There are live drones in the >cluster but mostly workers. I just want to know if there is anything that >can be done. The books I've got offer no info on how to handle this kind of >situation. I can accept the loss of the colony if there is no option and >will order a package but don't want to give up too easily. Also I would >like to know what happend so I can avoid this in the future. >Dave > It sounds like you have a drone layer. A couple of things can cause this. She may have been poorly mated and has run out of sperm or she was a last ditch attempt by the bees to make a queen last fall and was not mated at all. Requeening will be a crap shoot at best. Combining them with a nuc would probably be your best bet. beekeep Article 28975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various spring questions Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:53:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3abf3847.922326435@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28975 On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:48:46 -0600, "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Hi folks, I got a few miscellaneous questions: > >1) I medicated with Terramycin last fall. Do I need to do it again this >spring? Personally I wouldn't use it at all unless I had hives that I knew had foulbrood present. All you are doing is surpressing the disease. If it does crop up, chances are, you will have a resistant strain which is becomming very common now. > >2) My queens are laying & doing good & I just reversed brood boxes to help >prevent swarming. Do I need to swap them back at any time during the spring >or summer, or do I just leave them as they are until next year? > You may need to reverse boxes several times. You can also mix in new frames and add another box to disrupt the brood area. Swarming is often triggered by the lack of foot pheramone left by a restricted queen. >3) I have read that you should gradually replace old comb with new, maybe >two frames per year per box. What is a good strategy to do this without >unduly disturbing the brood nest? Each time you inspect your bees work the old frames to the outside of the box. Insert the new frames in the middle of the box between two good frames. Nature hates a vacumn and they bees will draw it out quickly and straight. The only time you have to be really concerned with disturbing the brood nest is when the temperature is cold and there aren't enough bees to cover the brood and keep it warm. > >4) Some of my hives are making a lot of drone comb between the top and >bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or cut it out? Is this a sign of >overcrowding? If so, what should I do, since I already reversed boxes & >it's too early to add honey supers? > Bees know what they are doing. It is better that they build these cells here than in your brood comb. Use this to your advantage. When you break the frames out you expose the white drone brood. Check this brood carefully for varroa mites which prefere drone brood and is very easy to see on the white grubs. beekeep Article 28976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:35:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28976 On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:23:36 GMT, "David Verville" wrote: > >"michael palmer" wrote in message >news:3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net... >> Excuse me? I thought this was a discussion group. If you don't agree with >what >Mike Palmer, >First let me say that after reading your response, I should have responded >to the message prior to yours. My request for information to blocker a user >was not directed towards >you, although I can see why you did take offense. >It should have been sent in response to the person who misspells the word >beekeeper. >I agree that a discussion group is where information should be exchanged, >however, in a mature, civil, friendly manner. Several others have also >mentioned the coarseness of this particular person. >People from all age groups read this news group and this persons responses >are vulgar, with adult innuendoes and often down right flames. It is these >"potty-mouth" responses from this particular reader that I wish to block. > > > This is a news group for serious beekeeping questions. Many of us here are commercial or sideliner beekeepers that wish to keep our bees alive by exchanging info that doesn't get published. Those that want to ask a bunch of silly brainless questions you can go to the hobby beekeeping news group. Of course you will probably get a bunch of brainless answers, but hey, what are Master Beekeepers for? beekeep Greg Ferris Commercial beekeeper in Maryland Article 28977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reveresd box Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:42:23 -0500 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <99nh00$1rkus$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010325185508.25620.00000829@ng-cs1.aol.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985614147 1954780 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28977 Basic answer: When all the bees are on top they don't like to move down so you reverse the boxes so they can have room above them. Otherwise they will like swarm. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010325185508.25620.00000829@ng-cs1.aol.com... > What up with Reveresd Box? Does it mean that u have broods on one side of the > box and reveres it so they fill up other side? > > Another question: I have one small super with bees for them to eat and it set > on the top of the deep box. The combs draw across way were you can't pull out > the racks to inspect it. I would like to clean up that mess. Now, should I put > in a new super in between the deep and the small one that were crooking? > Tim Article 28978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:47:55 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <99nhac$1vmob$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985614481 2087691 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28978 I have noticed in the past years that during the first part of the year swarms will locate low to the ground 4 - 8 feet and as the year goes on they start moving up 15 - 40 feet. Is there any truth to this statement? BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 28979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:01:08 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-kwzvLYWd0l91bD09THOUf++AN5HTNMKGy5VlK1mLeTChp+G+6qqo+MryyLOqIgv4MMkzcllNGyotbVg!s/n8vc8xFnGTkpqus070ixiawCVm5UQieoU4P0Hg1XTmEhqjuV59xmXX9oyVEZoP+k6C0CYElUWh!q/o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:01:40 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28979 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net... >Those that want > to ask a bunch of silly brainless questions you can go to the hobby > beekeeping news group. Of course you will probably get a bunch of > brainless answers, but hey, what are Master Beekeepers for? Actually this idea, in reverse, is a good one. There is another group, Bee-L, that is designed especially for self-important types (with several notable exceptions) like you who like to expound endlessly on how they are God's chosen envoy, put here on earth solely to pass on knowledge on various beekeeping subjects that only they are intelligent enough to be privy to. As a matter-of-fact just recently the suggestion was made on that group that one of the posters should get off the list and post his/her "silly, brainless question" over here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, where the group was made up of hobby beekeepers who were better qualified to answer dumb beginner's questions. Of course Bee-L is a moderated group so the majority of *your* posts probably wouldn't be considered sufficiently germane to make the cut... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 28980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Queen X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ABF7235.DD2AFE8F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:45:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28980 "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > > I just received my new queen (russian) and I won't be able to put her in the > hive until tuesday (3/27). I put a couple of drops of honey on the screen. > I noticed that a couple of the nurse bees have died. I've put the bees on > top of my computer monitor. The temp on top is 86 degrees. Am I doing the > right things? Do you think the queen will live until tuesday? May also want to give her some drops of water. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 28981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <9jPv6.1329$Yq5.30828@news2-hme0> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:22:43 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.133.198 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 985645381 212.137.133.198 (Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:23:01 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:23:01 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28981 Too modest! "beekeep" wrote in message news:3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:23:36 GMT, "David Verville" > wrote: > > > > >"michael palmer" wrote in message > >news:3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net... > >> Excuse me? I thought this was a discussion group. If you don't agree with > >what > >Mike Palmer, > >First let me say that after reading your response, I should have responded > >to the message prior to yours. My request for information to blocker a user > >was not directed towards > >you, although I can see why you did take offense. > >It should have been sent in response to the person who misspells the word > >beekeeper. > >I agree that a discussion group is where information should be exchanged, > >however, in a mature, civil, friendly manner. Several others have also > >mentioned the coarseness of this particular person. > >People from all age groups read this news group and this persons responses > >are vulgar, with adult innuendoes and often down right flames. It is these > >"potty-mouth" responses from this particular reader that I wish to block. > > > > > > > This is a news group for serious beekeeping questions. Many of us > here are commercial or sideliner beekeepers that wish to keep our bees > alive by exchanging info that doesn't get published. Those that want > to ask a bunch of silly brainless questions you can go to the hobby > beekeeping news group. Of course you will probably get a bunch of > brainless answers, but hey, what are Master Beekeepers for? > > beekeep > Greg Ferris > Commercial beekeeper in Maryland > > Article 28982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:39:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3abfd30f.961926659@news1.radix.net> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28982 On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:01:40 -0800, "The Rock Garden" wrote: > > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net... > >>Those that want >> to ask a bunch of silly brainless questions you can go to the hobby >> beekeeping news group. Of course you will probably get a bunch of >> brainless answers, but hey, what are Master Beekeepers for? > > > >Actually this idea, in reverse, is a good one. There is another group, >Bee-L, that is designed especially for self-important types (with several >notable exceptions) like you who like to expound endlessly on how they are >God's chosen envoy, put here on earth solely to pass on knowledge on various >beekeeping subjects that only they are intelligent enough to be privy to. > >As a matter-of-fact just recently the suggestion was made on that group that >one of the posters should get off the list and post his/her "silly, >brainless question" over here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, where the group >was made up of hobby beekeepers who were better qualified to answer dumb >beginner's questions. > >Of course Bee-L is a moderated group so the majority of *your* posts >probably wouldn't be considered sufficiently germane to make the cut... > >Skip > > > >Skip & Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, Wash. >http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > Another one that shouldn't be argued with. beekeep Article 28983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Mar 2001 01:07:54 GMT References: <99nhac$1vmob$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Swarming Message-ID: <20010326200754.08317.00001095@ng-mn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28983 Yeah, I have noticed that too. Half of the tree lambs here had been shot off by my 12ga.pump to get the swarming. This time I'm going to try a fake tree at the front of it. Tim Article 28984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:13:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AC00542.B2E7297C@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <99nhac$1vmob$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28984 Howdy BF -- It seems that the first-of-season swarms are the prime swarms with the old queen who is big and heavy, so she stops at a low spot. Later swarms are most often leaving with a young supercedure queen or a virgin on her mating flight, so she is small and trim and flies to a greater height before stopping. Pete *********************************************** BeeFarmer wrote: > I have noticed in the past years that during the first part of the year > swarms will locate low to the ground 4 - 8 feet and as the year goes on > they start moving up 15 - 40 feet. Is there any truth to this statement? > > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 28985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC03C85.CA262C87@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net> <3abfd30f.961926659@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:08:53 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 985669430 208.235.28.21 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:03:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:03:50 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28985 beekeep wrote: (and by the way, provided evidence he actually does know how to spell beekeeper) > >>Those that want > >> to ask a bunch of silly brainless questions you can go to the hobby > >> beekeeping news group. Of course you will probably get a bunch of > >> brainless answers, but hey, what are Master Beekeepers for? > > then Skip responded: > > > >Actually this idea, in reverse, is a good one. There is another group, > >Bee-L, that is designed especially for self-important types (with several > >notable exceptions) like you who like to expound endlessly on how they are > >God's chosen envoy, put here on earth solely to pass on knowledge on various > >beekeeping subjects that only they are intelligent enough to be privy to. > > > >As a matter-of-fact just recently the suggestion was made on that group that > >one of the posters should get off the list and post his/her "silly, > >brainless question" over here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, where the group > >was made up of hobby beekeepers who were better qualified to answer dumb > >beginner's questions. > > > >Of course Bee-L is a moderated group so the majority of *your* posts > >probably wouldn't be considered sufficiently germane to make the cut... to which beekeep responded, again demonstrating his mastery of the dialectic: > > > Another one that shouldn't be argued with. > > beekeep WOW! Is this guy AMAZING or what??? William F. Buckley Jr., MOVE OVER!!! I'm thinking that given all the venues where beekeep(sp) finds himself casting pearls before swine, he would best serve his calling by starting his very own newsgroup. Maybe he should start one of those advise columns where those seeking scraps of wisdom from the Master's table could subscribe and pay a fee? I would not expect beekeep(sp) to dignify my lowly comments with a response - after all I am in the company of a ship of fools with whom he will not argue. AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 28986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:18:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3ac0764f.1003694074@news1.radix.net> References: <99nhac$1vmob$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <20010326200754.08317.00001095@ng-mn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28986 On 27 Mar 2001 01:07:54 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >Yeah, I have noticed that too. Half of the tree lambs here had been shot off by >my 12ga.pump to get the swarming. This time I'm going to try a fake tree at >the front of it. > Tim Do those tree lambs taste as good as the lamb from New Zealand? beekeep Article 28987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC08462.3767FFEA@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various spring questions References: <3abf3847.922326435@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 87 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:15:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 985695008 206.231.24.33 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:10:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:10:08 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28987 beekeep wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:48:46 -0600, "Rodney Isom" > wrote: > > >Hi folks, I got a few miscellaneous questions: > > > >1) I medicated with Terramycin last fall. Do I need to do it again this > >spring? > > Personally I wouldn't use it at all unless I had hives that I knew had > foulbrood present. All you are doing is surpressing the disease. If > it does crop up, chances are, you will have a resistant strain which > is becomming very common now. I would say use it. Dust three times at two week intervals before supering. You probably don't have AFB to supress, but if it is in your neighborhood you will have it when your bees rob out your neighbor's dead hive. I don't believe resistant AFB is that common. After the spring robbing is done, the chances of your bees contracting AFB is slight. > >2) My queens are laying & doing good & I just reversed brood boxes to help > >prevent swarming. Do I need to swap them back at any time during the spring > >or summer, or do I just leave them as they are until next year? > > > You may need to reverse boxes several times. You can also mix in new > frames and add another box to disrupt the brood area. Swarming is > often triggered by the lack of foot pheramone left by a restricted > queen. I used to reverse twice. First time before dandelions, and second time after. I still had swarming problems at or just after the second reversal. I do things differently now. I reverse during the dandelion bloom, and add supers at that time. I find the broodnests don't get clogged with dandelion honey this way. I found reversing twice didn't really help much with swarming, but getting enough supers on early did. Remember that swarming is also a requeening process. Some colonies just want to swarm no matter how many times you reverse. You wind up spending too much time on your problem colonies, and not enough on the good ones. Those colonies that still want to swarm can be requeened. Foot pheromones? > > > >3) I have read that you should gradually replace old comb with new, maybe > >two frames per year per box. What is a good strategy to do this without > >unduly disturbing the brood nest? > > Each time you inspect your bees work the old frames to the outside of > the box. Insert the new frames in the middle of the box between two > good frames. Nature hates a vacumn and they bees will draw it out > quickly and straight. The only time you have to be really concerned > with disturbing the brood nest is when the temperature is cold and > there aren't enough bees to cover the brood and keep it warm. I think this wrong for two reasons. Anytime I put frames of foundation in the middle of the brood nest, it was drawn out poorly. The combs on either side of the foundation were first made fatter. Then the foundation was drawn out with the resulting comb too thin for brood. I have seen these ajacent combs drawn out almost to the surface of the foundation itself. I also have seen the queen restricted by inserting foundation or light colored combs into the center of the brood nest. The queen doesn't like to cross over the honey comb, and will stay on one side. It is a better method to place only drawn comb into the brood nest, and tha to the side. Foundation should be drawn out above the brood, in supers of 10 frames. The resulting comb can be added to the outside of the brood nest. > > > >4) Some of my hives are making a lot of drone comb between the top and > >bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or cut it out? Is this a sign of > >overcrowding? If so, what should I do, since I already reversed boxes & > >it's too early to add honey supers? > > > Bees know what they are doing. It is better that they build these > cells here than in your brood comb. Use this to your advantage. When > you break the frames out you expose the white drone brood. Check this > brood carefully for varroa mites which prefere drone brood and is very > easy to see on the white grubs. > > beekeep I would scrape it off if it interferes with the spacing of the combs top to bottom. As it gets tougher, the top comb won't sit down into its super properly and the problem gets worse. Mike Article 28988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:31:15 -0500 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <99q87l$2d62u$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <99nhac$1vmob$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3AC00542.B2E7297C@arkansas.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985703478 2529374 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28988 Thanks for the replies. I have always wondered why this occurs. Thanks -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "H. Rogers" wrote in message news:3AC00542.B2E7297C@arkansas.net... > Howdy BF -- > > It seems that the first-of-season swarms are the prime swarms with the old > queen who is big and heavy, so she stops at a low spot. Later swarms are > most often leaving with a young supercedure queen or a virgin on her mating > flight, so she is small and trim and flies to a greater height before > stopping. > > Pete > *********************************************** > BeeFarmer wrote: > > > I have noticed in the past years that during the first part of the year > > swarms will locate low to the ground 4 - 8 feet and as the year goes on > > they start moving up 15 - 40 feet. Is there any truth to this statement? > > > > BeeFarmer > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > Article 28989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Blue Shop Towel Method Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:00:51 -0700 Lines: 68 Message-ID: <99q9v8$2cbf1$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985705257 2502113 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28989 I recently posted this to BEE-L ( http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ ). We've had some good discussion there, but I realise there are some pretty smart guys who hang around here, but never show up over there, so I thought I'd ask the same question here: ---- On Wed, 3 May 2000 13:16:43 -0500, Blane White, MN Dept of Agriculture, blane.white@state.mn.us wrote: >I have a couple of comments on Don's method. It is actually a > method developed not by Don but by researchers at USDA. By > dissolving the menthol in vegetable oil the surface area is > greatly increased thereby greatly increasing the evaporation > rate in cooler weather. Yes it does work if done properly > and yes it is legal since the applicator is using less that > the menthol label calls for ( you can always use less than > label rates legally, never more than label rates On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:07:23 -0700, George Richtmeyer [GRichtmeye@AOL.COM] wrote: > Tracheal mites are a roll of shop towels soaked in a quart > of canola oil and 1oz. of peppermint spirits. I've been impressed by the anecdotes I've heard about the blue shop towel method. I did a little trial of making up the treatment last Saturday (pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ for March 24th) and we intend to use it this spring, even though we did treat last fall with 3 pads of formic. (Yup we still have some bees, but everything is for sale - See http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Sale/). In reading about the blue shop towel treatment, I notice that some people decrease the amount of menthol in the dose from the 50/50 oil-to-menthol ratio that is mentioned in the original article cited earlier here on BEE-L by bob (Feb 97 ABJ). In the second quote above, the writer has reduced the menthol to 1 part menthol in about 28 parts of oil if I calculated correctly, and is the lowest dose I've heard so far. Menthol spirits are mentioned, not crystals, so am I correct in therefore assuming an even lower menthol level? I've also noticed that some people use canola oil and others use vegetable shortening. The ABJ article speaks of 'two pounds of canola oil' and two pounds of crystals. Now liquid oil is usually sold by liquid measure (ounces, ml, cups, litres, quarts, etc.), not pounds, and the solid form known hereabouts as shortening *is* sold by pounds, so the meaning is not entirely clear. The same word may have different meanings in different localities, so I'm hoping someone(s) can set us straight about this -- if it matters. My conclusion from reading is that the dose in the ABJ article is a bit on the high side. When we made the sample up, I cut the roll into three, since I was afraid that I might kill some brood as mentioned in the same article if a half sheet is used. I've also wondered if the second dose is necessary. Has anyone actually measured before and after and determined the optimal dose, or has everyone just used his or her own version of the treatment and not confirmed the efficacy or necessary doses by measurement? And, if the USDA did develop the treatment, is it written up somewhere? allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- Onward through the fog. Article 28990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3abf3847.922326435@news1.radix.net> <3AC08462.3767FFEA@together.net> Subject: Re: Various spring questions Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:45:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 985707959 66.31.137.46 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:45:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:45:59 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28990 "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3AC08462.3767FFEA@together.net... > > > beekeep wrote: > > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:48:46 -0600, "Rodney Isom" > > wrote: > > > > >Hi folks, I got a few miscellaneous questions: > > > > > >1) I medicated with Terramycin last fall. Do I need to do it again this > > >spring? > > > > Personally I wouldn't use it at all unless I had hives that I knew had > > foulbrood present... > I would say use it. Dust three times at two week intervals before supering. Please read the label. The label I have says 3 times at 4-5 day intervals, and completed 6 weeks before supering. If you space it out too long, it's doing more harm than good. > > >2) My queens are laying & doing good & I just reversed brood boxes to help > > >prevent swarming. Do I need to swap them back at any time during the spring > > >or summer, or do I just leave them as they are until next year? > > > > > You may need to reverse boxes several times... > I used to reverse twice... I read on this group last year (maybe even by beekeep! ;-) to reverse them when it makes sense, even after supering. If the queen has the top box full of brood, and there's space below, reverse them. > > >4) Some of my hives are making a lot of drone comb between the top and > > >bottom boxes. Should I leave it be or cut it out? Is this a sign of > > >overcrowding? It's a sign that your equipment violated bee space. There's a very detailed section in the March 2001 Bee Culture that analyzes equipment from various manufacturers and how the combinations end up spacing out. Very interesting - check it out if you can. Personally, I would cut it out when you see it. If it gets too much, you won't be able to get the boxes apart without some real mess. -Steve Article 28991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 34 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: admalin@aol.com (ADMALIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:58:29 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: RAPE HONEY (Microwaving of) Message-ID: <20010327105829.26133.00000279@nso-bj.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28991 I've done some more reading!!!!!! The 17 page article referred to by 'texasdrone' relating to microwave ovens was really scary 'till I read that"eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and (believe it or not) a decrease of intelligence". Intelligence is like an enzyme - simply a catalyst to help the other processes along. I've also read a number of articles in Encyclopaedia Britannica on electromagnetic fields, and radiation generally. Even as an electrical engineer I find these highly technical subjects difficult to understand, but one thing is clear - all the different levels of activity have different effects, some beneficial and some harmful. It is also most important to differentiate between electromagnetic and radioactive sources (as used to irradiate food). Going back to the original question how do you deal with crystalised honey, particularly Rape which is now a predominant source of nectar in the UK? Creaming at an early stage of crystalisation is one way, but I've never done it. Does it tend to ferment due to the entrapped air? After that you can only resort to heat. Heating on a small scale in a hot box needs control of temperature and time vis a vis quantity, usually hours. Could it be that the higher temperature reached by microwaving is offset by the short time involved? No one has come up and shouted HMF !!!!!!! If that worries you stop eating jam which is fruit preserved by boiling sugar and consequently it has a high level of HMF but no harmful effect. JAM LIKE HONEY HELPS THE TOAST GO DOWN (Think about it) TONY MALIN Article 28992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:09:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.219.1.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 985709396 209.219.1.130 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:09:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:09:56 PST Organization: @Work Internet powered by @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28992 I wasn't sure if anyone was aware, but the newsgroup that Chris Hadden proposed a few weeks ago has been propogated... Mead is an alcohol beverage made from honey. Mead has a long standing tradition spanning thousands of years, so I thought if you might be interested that you come on over an join the discussion. news:rec.crafts.meadmaking -- Scot Mc Pherson N27° 19' 56" W82° 30' 39" Article 28993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin Patty question (U.S.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:25 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 985722007 147.25.198.43 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:40:07 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:40:07 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:272 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28993 I'm a little confused and would appreciate some clarification as to the use of Terramycin extender patties as developed by Dr. Bill Wilson. I see on the MannLake website, they still sell these things (I've usually always made up my own). In fact they say, "The most effective way to control foulbrood. Assures proper dosage of TerramycinTM. Prevents sub-lethal dose of TerramycinTM." yada, yada... {page 23 of their online catalogue} Yet, in the latest issue of the Northeastern Kansas Beekeepers Association, "THE BEE BUZZER", I read in the April 2001 issue, "Do not use Terramycin Patties. They are no longer recommended." What gives??? Article 28994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelson" Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.fairs.renaissance Subject: Re: New group: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:17:42 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 32 Message-ID: <99qsmd$eup$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9d.87 X-Server-Date: 27 Mar 2001 20:20:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu news.groups:387954 rec.crafts.brewing:258650 rec.crafts.winemaking:70115 rec.food.historic:24570 rec.org.sca:316234 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28994 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:273 alt.fairs.renaissance:129501 Chris, Haven't checked in for a while, since my company seems to have shut down access to newsgroups over our internet connection. But, THANKS, for taking on the initiative of getting the newsgroup created. I'm about to subscribe!! Mark "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message news:I4fv6.3550$pS2.178894@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... > There's a new Usenet newsgroup for mead makers: rec.crafts.meadmaking. This > newsgroup was just created. > > Some ISPs do not automatically add new groups. If you don't see this group > by the end of March, you may want to contact your ISP and ask them to add > this group to their newsfeed. > > Please contact me if you have any questions. > > Christopher Hadden > Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking > http://mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html > chadden@contecrayon.com > > > > Article 28995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.98!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen substitute Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:17:11 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3AB692B1.717B925C@iquest.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985724233 2545347 216.167.138.98 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28995 >I've heard that bees will forage pollen from cattle feed lots. There is no pollen at cattle feed lots, they are in fact places of death and the stench thereof, however bees like the molasses based protein liquid that's mixed with silage and fed to the cows. If you are unfortunate enough to live within say 2 miles of a feedlot your honey will always smell and taste like molasses. C.K. Article 28996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.98!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blue marlins Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:24:43 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <9252-3AB6E304-180@storefull-167.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985724684 2646251 216.167.138.98 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28996 > Blue Marlins Isn't that a fish? If you meant Martins, they will eat a few bees, but they also eat a lot of mosquitoes unless your area is persistently sprayed for mosquitoes and the Martins have nothing to eat but bees; speaking of that, you will lose more bees from insecticides than birds. C.K. Article 28997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: henryj1@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is this a carpenter bee? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:38:08 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: <15u1ct8bn9jebhtq2laluijd734ljgimqb@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.20.a9.eb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Mar 2001 20:38:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28997 Last summer, when I was videotaping roses in Schenectady, NY, I captured this large bee - Pictures #1 and #2 on: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22866&a=11996862 At first, I thought it was a bumblebee, but I suspect now that it is a carpenter bee. Can someone confirm this? Top view - Pictures #1 and #2 Side view - Pictures #3 and #4 Front view - Pictures #7 and #8 Detail of the wing - Pictures #10 and #11 Take off - Picture #12 I observed that bee for about a minute. It was mainly using its tongue to lick yellow stamens(?) (Photo #6) in the center of a rose, but occasionally it would curl up in a tight ball (Picture #5) and buzz very loudly for a couple of seconds. Why was it doing that? Was it collecting pollen? One more question. A simple, hand drawn picture of a bee in one reference book on bees shows, in addition to two large compound eyes, "simple eyes" in the middle of the bee's head. Take a look at Picture #9 - there are three small eyes(?), visible as white dots, making up a triangle in the middle of the bee's head. If indeed they are eyes, how does their vision differ as compared to the larger compound eyes? Henry Jurenka http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=22866 Article 28998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <15u1ct8bn9jebhtq2laluijd734ljgimqb@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Is this a carpenter bee? Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:34:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.219.1.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 985728871 209.219.1.130 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:34:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:34:31 PST Organization: @Work Internet powered by @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28998 Those are some rather amazing photographs...I personally don't know the difference in appearance between a bumble and a carpenter. For a logn time I thought they were the same bee. -- Scot Mc Pherson N27° 19' 56" W82° 30' 39" wrote in message news:15u1ct8bn9jebhtq2laluijd734ljgimqb@4ax.com... > Last summer, when I was videotaping roses in Schenectady, NY, I > captured this large bee - Pictures #1 and #2 on: > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22866&a=11996862 > > At first, I thought it was a bumblebee, but I suspect now that it > is a carpenter bee. Can someone confirm this? > > Top view - Pictures #1 and #2 > Side view - Pictures #3 and #4 > Front view - Pictures #7 and #8 > Detail of the wing - Pictures #10 and #11 > Take off - Picture #12 > > I observed that bee for about a minute. It was mainly using its > tongue to lick yellow stamens(?) (Photo #6) in the center of a rose, > but occasionally it would curl up in a tight ball (Picture #5) and > buzz very loudly for a couple of seconds. Why was it doing that? Was > it collecting pollen? > > One more question. A simple, hand drawn picture of a bee in one > reference book on bees shows, in addition to two large compound eyes, > "simple eyes" in the middle of the bee's head. Take a look at Picture > #9 - there are three small eyes(?), visible as white dots, making up > a triangle in the middle of the bee's head. If indeed they are eyes, > how does their vision differ as compared to the larger compound eyes? > > Henry Jurenka > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=22866 > Article 28999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is this a carpenter bee? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:37:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3ac110e7.1043239879@news1.radix.net> References: <15u1ct8bn9jebhtq2laluijd734ljgimqb@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28999 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:38:08 -0500, henryj1@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Last summer, when I was videotaping roses in Schenectady, NY, I >captured this large bee - Pictures #1 and #2 on: > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22866&a=11996862 > > At first, I thought it was a bumblebee, but I suspect now that it >is a carpenter bee. Can someone confirm this? It looks like the Eastern Carpenter Bee (Xylocopa virginica) to me. It's sex is female, there goes my potty mouth again, as the males have a yellow triangle in the middle of their head. > >Top view - Pictures #1 and #2 >Side view - Pictures #3 and #4 >Front view - Pictures #7 and #8 >Detail of the wing - Pictures #10 and #11 >Take off - Picture #12 > > I observed that bee for about a minute. It was mainly using its >tongue to lick yellow stamens(?) (Photo #6) in the center of a rose, >but occasionally it would curl up in a tight ball (Picture #5) and >buzz very loudly for a couple of seconds. Why was it doing that? Was >it collecting pollen? Bumble bees do this as well. They make the pollen release by doing this. With tomatos it is know as buzz pollinating. They have to use electric toothbrushes in green houses to get the job done. This is why bumble bee rearing is so important. > > One more question. A simple, hand drawn picture of a bee in one >reference book on bees shows, in addition to two large compound eyes, >"simple eyes" in the middle of the bee's head. Take a look at Picture >#9 - there are three small eyes(?), visible as white dots, making up >a triangle in the middle of the bee's head. If indeed they are eyes, >how does their vision differ as compared to the larger compound eyes? These are simple eyes known as ocelli, the one in the center is called the median ocellus. It is thought that they don't acually see with these but use them to detect degrees of lightness. > >Henry Jurenka >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=22866 > beekeep Article 29000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:20:44 +0100 Message-ID: <5NPPpvAsQQw6EwXB@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985733377 nnrp-14:21280 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 45 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29000 In article , J&DC writes >Thank you for some info! First of all it is helpful to have either a valid email address or one that is obviously slightly different and can be corrected. That way you can receive replies off list. Quite a lot of people do this to make their correspondence private. >I found the queen yesterday, But I think that there is somthing very wrong. >There is only drone brood maybe 10 or 12 capped cells. A drone layer. snip >There are live drones in the >cluster but mostly workers. I just want to know if there is anything that >can be done. Only unite it to a queen right colony *after* taking the old queen away. > The books I've got offer no info on how to handle this kind of >situation. I can accept the loss of the colony if there is no option and >will order a package but don't want to give up too easily. Also I would >like to know what happend so I can avoid this in the future. Usual advice is to have at least 2 colonies so you can unite or equalise brood or get a frame with eggs and young larvae to test the other for queenlessness and so on. Don't think you have necessarily done anything wrong. A percentage of bees supersede their old queens - many do it inefficiently (kill old queen before mating) - the best do it efficiently (keep old queen until daughter is mated properly and laying properly or even until next spring). We had a very wet autumn going on into December. Our indigenous bees over here in the SW UK have a habit of superseding in autumn, even as late as November, keeping drones for mating. Any colony that did it inefficiently would either have *no* brood or *only drone* brood. So, some of my friends report lost colonies like yours. I have seen it many times. It is nice if it can be rescued in autumn, but it might happen when you've decided to stop looking in the hive. I am sure you will get advice on requeening every year with a nice young queen. North American practice often revolves around buying in queens with or without packages. We are fortunate to have a hardy native bee (with genes from other races mixed in) that will propagate well using open mating with other local bees. Where you have racial mixtures you often get bad temper. Your local beekeepers association will advise you on best practice for your area. Hope you carry on - chalking up one lesson. (There's more to come!!) -- James Kilty Article 29001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various spring questions Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:48:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <99lpjm$p9l$2@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985733379 nnrp-14:21280 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29001 In article <99lpjm$p9l$2@news01.cit.cornell.edu>, JG in NY writes >3) I have read that you should gradually replace old comb with new, maybe >two frames per year per box. What is a good strategy to do this without >unduly disturbing the brood nest? > >In the autum, check the combs and place the "worst" or most drone-cell laden >ones at the outside positions. Then in the spring you can remove these, and >place two frames w/foundation at the center of the box. Replacing combs like >this isn't entirely necessary, though, if the ones in place are all in fine >condition. We now recommend replacing comb on a 3 year cycle to all our students. Some even do it more frequently in the belief that it helps prevent disease even better. Wild colonies make around 3 new combs each year - maybe even more. Workers make sure the queen lays in the new comb. The oldest comb is abandoned (to the wax moth) which gives the bees new space. IMHO following their guidance helps. I know there are a lot of beekeepers who take pride in old black comb, but they may be carrying on a practice their grandfathers used in times without serious disease or chemicals which remain in comb. We also recommend placing one frame next to the brood without splitting the nest as the safest option when they've started to draw comb. This can be repeated as needed. With care, you can put one frame in the centre, but you always risk half of the colony feeling queenless. So, unless it is drawn quickly, you might cause problems. When it is drawn it is often absolutely perfect, which is why Brother Adam did it just for that purpose. If you are using 2 brood chambers, it can be easier to work in extra frames, depending on how you split the hive up when moving to 2 boxes. Putting more frames with foundation in the upper box can work well but your fellow North Americans will advise you on that one as I know little about that practice. Some people even give the bees a full box to draw as a honey super and then replace frames some time after extraction, perhaps even the following season if they are stored properly. The bees can then expand rapidly if you give them drawn comb at the right time - earlier than they can make their own. You can use a mixture of drawn and foundation as well later. -- James Kilty Article 29002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:16 +0100 Message-ID: <9NFOJxAETQw6Ew3A@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985733378 nnrp-14:21280 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29002 In article , David Verville writes >My request for information to blocker a user It is not recommended to block anyone in a newsgroup AFIAK. You mess up the news system I think. -- James Kilty Article 29003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC12A5B.D6EDFD1D@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <3abf356c.921595549@news1.radix.net> <3abfd30f.961926659@news1.radix.net> <3AC03C85.CA262C87@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 65 X-Trace: +L/oBkTdDul3fpfXJyLiEwWLo9fiWZnnZCdeckxDMUqXT1uADMwVTTSNAJgbgW0fDRfQlziFmbZZ!HgyQcmScxpGjaLjVPUD4SXJ8gnjiDtzCP4325+m9Ehz0vYkB7Kt2j46NOIQnbQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:04:19 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:04:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29003 I think beekeep has valid points which sometimes is accompanied with a little of his unique whit. Everyone on this list should suck it up and quit crying about his "flames". After all they are just words and they have never killed anyone. I for one do listen to some of what he says and laugh at the rest. Reading some of these post reminds my of my younger years in grade school. Lets all grow up. Chad AL wrote: > beekeep wrote: (and by the way, provided evidence he actually does know > how to spell beekeeper) > > > >>Those that want > > >> to ask a bunch of silly brainless questions you can go to the hobby > > >> beekeeping news group. Of course you will probably get a bunch of > > >> brainless answers, but hey, what are Master Beekeepers for? > > > > > then Skip responded: > > > > > > >Actually this idea, in reverse, is a good one. There is another group, > > >Bee-L, that is designed especially for self-important types (with several > > >notable exceptions) like you who like to expound endlessly on how they are > > >God's chosen envoy, put here on earth solely to pass on knowledge on various > > >beekeeping subjects that only they are intelligent enough to be privy to. > > > > > >As a matter-of-fact just recently the suggestion was made on that group that > > >one of the posters should get off the list and post his/her "silly, > > >brainless question" over here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, where the group > > >was made up of hobby beekeepers who were better qualified to answer dumb > > >beginner's questions. > > > > > >Of course Bee-L is a moderated group so the majority of *your* posts > > >probably wouldn't be considered sufficiently germane to make the cut... > > to which beekeep responded, again demonstrating his mastery of the > dialectic: > > > > > > Another one that shouldn't be argued with. > > > > beekeep > > WOW! Is this guy AMAZING or what??? William F. Buckley Jr., MOVE > OVER!!! > > I'm thinking that given all the venues where beekeep(sp) finds himself > casting pearls before swine, he would best serve his calling by starting > his very own newsgroup. Maybe he should start one of those advise > columns where those seeking scraps of wisdom from the Master's table > could subscribe and pay a fee? > > I would not expect beekeep(sp) to dignify my lowly comments with a > response - after all I am in the company of a ship of fools with whom he > will not argue. > > AL > > -- > ************************************************* > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > it's the sudden stop at the end. > ************************************************* Article 29004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Increasing hive numbers Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:10:39 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-KdflFMwyFPntfDJ0UxcfZZaamLjL0zJzo7UKwD3J0JhHDNCSFH7bWOvdohyCCo9kQLoe3UEAHBFp3x/!GiVa4+R/2aaCTnfduy48KR+PE6sXE6a5UVs359FBlkueWuaLoYWtGugOn8ztNBdBWyduBVZy0dNz!l3/PNeU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:06:52 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29004 Hello Group, I am trying to build up the number of hives I have as quickly as possible without purchasing large numbers of packages or nucs. There have been threads regarding splits, packages, and requeening. But, nothing seems to get around to what I'm trying to find out. Let's say I receive several 3# packages during the first week of April, say 10, here in Texas (Southwest Panhandle). How many times can they be split, or used to build other hives during the first year? I'm thinking of taking a few frames of brood from each as they build up and adding new queens to create new hives. But, I really don't know how often that can be done or if it'll work at all. Thoughts? Advice? I Appreciate the help. Thanks Mark -- Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965) Article 29005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!193.162.153.122!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:19:52 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <9NFOJxAETQw6Ew3A@kilty.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29005 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:16 +0100, James Kilty wrote: >In article , David >Verville writes >>My request for information to blocker a user >It is not recommended to block anyone in a newsgroup AFIAK. You mess up >the news system I think. Even Outlook Express () allows one to 'block' specific posters, posts, or threads (I gave instructions in an earlier post, but here it is again - Outlook Express -->Tools-->Message rules-->Blocked senders list-->Add-->). Decent (proper) news software does it more efficiently, eg. Agent - Right click on message, select filters, there are then several options. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.html Article 29006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Mar 2001 01:49:53 GMT References: <3AC00542.B2E7297C@arkansas.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Swarming Message-ID: <20010327204953.19947.00001330@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29006 >It seems that the first-of-season swarms are the prime swarms with the old >queen who is big and heavy, so she stops at a low spot. Later swarms are >most often leaving with a young supercedure queen or a virgin on her mating Oh I see, That make sense now. Article 29007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Patty question (U.S.) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 37 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:36:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.179 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 985754218 198.161.229.179 (Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:36:58 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:36:58 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:274 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29007 When resistant AFB first came to the US, there was some unfounded public speculation as to how it came to be. No proof was ever given. The victim of this speculation was the extender patty, since patties are a relatively recent development and happened to be used in many of the outfits where the SAFB was first found. Even though patties were never proven to be anything other than innocent bystanders, with any gossip and speculation, a story takes on a life of its own as it is passed around. The unfounded speculation was soon accepted uncritically -- and even passed on -- by some pretty well respected people and became regarded as fact. AFAIK, there is no evidence *whatsoever* that there is any causal relationship. In fact the extender patty is the most reliable method OTC application. If you are going to use OTC, the patty is the most effective method of delivery and the one that has the least likelihood of causing honey contmination, since the OTC is in a non-water soluble carrier. Larry Farris posted in <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com>: >I'm a little confused and would appreciate some >clarification as to the use of Terramycin extender >patties as developed by Dr. Bill Wilson. > >I see on the MannLake website, they still sell >these things (I've usually always made up my own). >In fact they say, "The most effective way to control >foulbrood. Assures proper dosage of TerramycinTM. >Prevents sub-lethal dose of TerramycinTM." yada, >yada... {page 23 of their online catalogue} > >Yet, in the latest issue of the Northeastern Kansas >Beekeepers Association, "THE BEE BUZZER", >I read in the April 2001 issue, "Do not use Terramycin >Patties. They are no longer recommended." Article 29008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!195.21.255.252!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.98!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:00:48 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985726849 2616569 216.167.138.98 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29008 David Verville implores us: >I agree that a discussion group is where information should be exchanged, >however, in a mature, civil, friendly manner. You mean like yourself..'asking how' to filter out a fellow poster, when I bet you knew all along, avoid cuteness and don't insult our intelligence. >It should have been sent in response to the person who misspells the word >beekeeper. Do you refer to 'beekeep' which is in fact not misspelled but an appropriative title for one who keeps bees. Rather like 'barkeep' a much loved title extended to innkeepers in old films about the American West. > Several others have also mentioned the coarseness of this particular person. Really, I bet that's a lie. Why don't you name these 'several others' se we can flame them properly. >It is these "potty-mouth" responses from this particular reader that I wish > to block. Fuck you David, I don't know what world you live in, but it's not the real one. C.K. Article 29009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nautilus.visp-europe.psi.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.98!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RAPE HONEY (Microwaving of) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:39:06 -0600 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8a02ct0ciias3q0iornfdgijcai3eokd6h@4ax.com> References: <20010327105829.26133.00000279@nso-bj.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985729148 2719568 216.167.138.98 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29009 >Going back to the original question how do you deal with crystalised honey, There was a pretty good discussion regarding microwaving honey a while back and should be in the archives http://metalab.unc.edu/bees but as regards crystallized honey; I think one should just stick a kitchen knife in the jar and stir it around. This usually supplies enough for a piece of toast or a cup of coffee. Also one gets the thrill of all those exotic floral essences escaping when the crystalline bonds are broken, as it were; an experience any beekeeper who sees their honey as a valued gift of nature and the fruits of their labour, dignified as it should be, are want to enjoy. I know that someone decided that only liquified honey was edible, and they didn't have the time to take 5 seconds to 'cream' a bit in a jar to use for the moment, but by heating honey as 'recommended' on many honey labels, or for commercial bottling reasons, in my opinion diminishes those qualities of the honey we can at least be sure of. If I ever produced enough honey to fill a barrel, then I would of course, consider selling some. If it was crystallized and I had to put it in small bottles, I would rig up a paddle that ran on a geared motor and 'stir' the barrel until the honey was pourable. In warm weather the 'creamy' honey would run through a large diameter honey gate. Since I've not produced a barrel of honey that has crystallized, the above is only conjecture, however, it seems to me that this would be more desirable from the point of honey quality, as by now a majority of the honey buying public is fully aware of why honey in the supermarkets is crystal clear, and quite 'runny' too. C.K. Article 29010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:59:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3ac1d175.1092505157@news1.radix.net> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29010 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:00:48 -0600, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >David Verville implores us: > >>I agree that a discussion group is where information should be exchanged, >>however, in a mature, civil, friendly manner. > >You mean like yourself..'asking how' to filter out a fellow poster, >when I bet you knew all along, avoid cuteness and don't insult our >intelligence. > >>It should have been sent in response to the person who misspells the word >>beekeeper. > >Do you refer to 'beekeep' which is in fact not misspelled but an >appropriative title for one who keeps bees. Rather like 'barkeep' a >much loved title extended to innkeepers in old films about the >American West. > >> Several others have also mentioned the coarseness of this particular person. > >Really, I bet that's a lie. Why don't you name these 'several others' >se we can flame them properly. > >>It is these "potty-mouth" responses from this particular reader that I wish >> to block. > >Fuck you David, I don't know what world you live in, but it's not the >real one. > >C.K. This guy David is a real winner. I just got an email this morning from a fellow beekeeper/friend that he was requesting information on me. A real man would have just emailed me directly. If he thinks I post all that bad why doesn't he just forward the offending post to abuse@radix.net? They probably could use a good laugh too. beekeep Article 29011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:08:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3ac1d3da.1093118292@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29011 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:06:52 -0800, "Me" wrote: >Hello Group, > >I am trying to build up the number of hives I have as quickly as possible >without purchasing large numbers of packages or nucs. There have been >threads regarding splits, packages, and requeening. But, nothing seems to >get around to what I'm trying to find out. > >Let's say I receive several 3# packages during the first week of April, say >10, here in Texas (Southwest Panhandle). How many times can they be split, >or used to build other hives during the first year? I'm thinking of taking >a few frames of brood from each as they build up and adding new queens to >create new hives. But, I really don't know how often that can be done or if >it'll work at all. Thoughts? Advice? > >I Appreciate the help. >Thanks >Mark That totally depends on your nectar flow, length of season, and how much you are willing to feed them. It gets harder and harder as the season goes on. beekeep Article 29012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various spring questions Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:11:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3ac1d488.1093292263@news1.radix.net> References: <3abf3847.922326435@news1.radix.net> <3AC08462.3767FFEA@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29012 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:15:30 -0500, michael palmer wrote: > > >beekeep wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:48:46 -0600, "Rodney Isom" >> wrote: >> >> >Hi folks, I got a few miscellaneous questions: >> > >> >1) I medicated with Terramycin last fall. Do I need to do it again this >> >spring? >> >> Personally I wouldn't use it at all unless I had hives that I knew had >> foulbrood present. All you are doing is surpressing the disease. If >> it does crop up, chances are, you will have a resistant strain which >> is becomming very common now. > > I would say use it. Dust three times at two week intervals before supering. >You probably don't have AFB to supress, but if it is in your neighborhood you >will have it when your bees rob out your neighbor's dead hive. I don't believe >resistant AFB is that common. After the spring robbing is done, the chances of >your bees contracting AFB is slight. A good talk with Dave Knox at USDA in Beltsville might change your mind about AFB resistance. beekeep Article 29013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:37:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29013 I received an RFQ (Request for Quotation) from USDA wanting to rent 160 to 220 5 frame nucs in NY. Before my beekeeping career I was a government contractor for about 20 years or so. Let me tell you this one is full of holes. First off they only specify that there be a viable queen in the hive. No frame size is stated and the number of frames of brood or frames covered by bees is not specified. Some capped brood must be present to proove the queen is good. They ask for Nuclear hives! Maybe they want them to glow in the dark? If you are interested they can be contacted by email: elegates@naa.ars.usda.gov. Ask for RFQ 06-3615-01 I would guess that they will go for a very good price. I wouldn't bid less than $50.00 each myself. You can get the nuc boxes from Mann Lake for about $16.00 ea. The contract can also be extended for several years to boot. beekeep Article 29014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Lines: 35 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:53:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 985809218 12.73.40.34 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:53:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:53:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29014 For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net... > I received an RFQ (Request for Quotation) from USDA wanting to rent > 160 to 220 5 frame nucs in NY. > > Before my beekeeping career I was a government contractor for about 20 > years or so. Let me tell you this one is full of holes. First off > they only specify that there be a viable queen in the hive. No frame > size is stated and the number of frames of brood or frames covered by > bees is not specified. Some capped brood must be present to proove > the queen is good. They ask for Nuclear hives! Maybe they want them > to glow in the dark? > > If you are interested they can be contacted by email: > elegates@naa.ars.usda.gov. Ask for RFQ 06-3615-01 > > I would guess that they will go for a very good price. I wouldn't bid > less than $50.00 each myself. You can get the nuc boxes from Mann > Lake for about $16.00 ea. The contract can also be extended for > several years to boot. > > beekeep > Article 29015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.germany.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AC00542.B2E7297C@arkansas.net> <20010327204953.19947.00001330@ng-cd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Swarming Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:53:15 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.128.113 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 985809379 212.137.128.113 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:56:19 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:56:19 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29015 Except that the old queen is not big and heavy - she is slimmed down before the swarm issues. "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010327204953.19947.00001330@ng-cd1.aol.com... > >It seems that the first-of-season swarms are the prime swarms with the old > >queen who is big and heavy, so she stops at a low spot. Later swarms are > >most often leaving with a young supercedure queen or a virgin on her mating > > Oh I see, That make sense now. Article 29016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.44!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:42:31 -0600 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985812154 2842422 216.167.138.44 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29016 Mark, It will pretty much depend on the weather. If you're going to really make a lot of divisions based on frames with brood, while buying in extra queens, you will need to be finished up with that by the middle of May; (weather remember) this will give all your little 'nucs' at least maybe 6 weeks to build up and get in some stores; but, I think in this country (North Texas) that's pretty risky. You could wind up with a lot of weak hives you had to feed and basically unable to get through next winter. Unless it's a wet summer, which is always unlikely, your bees are not going to have a lot to bring in after July. If you're surrounded by agribusiness concerns that grow blooming crops like rape (canola oil) sunflowers, or cotton, that would give you an extended season, but your bees would be in danger of being sprayed or suffer the after effects of the fields being sprayed, even if you kept your bees in on the day the spraying occurred. Agri business farming methods in the U.S. are hell on beekeepers, who apparently have no 'lobby' in Washington, even though we are being invited to think beekeeping is critical for putting food on the table. We used to be able to rely on the USDA, but now that seems to be in question. C.K. Article 29017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.44!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax mot holes Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:15:26 -0600 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3uj4ctc86u77orj9hpjuru8j6m2g52be8q@4ax.com> References: <3ab3ee37.182633386@news1.radix.net> <3ab4996d.226462774@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985814128 2776617 216.167.138.44 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29017 Beekeep said: >Bees don't chew or bore stuff. Their mandibles aren't that strong. I don't know, they chew on wood openings and over time their effect is noticeable. They can chew through fiberglass screens. >American Foulbrood stays >around as they can't get the scale out. They may not be able to remove the scale, however if 'you' see scales then there's worse things present. The bees will spread AFB 'spores' in their attempt to reuse an infected cell, and that's what spreads AFB. Burn any frames that contain AFB 'scales' quickly. This is very important, and an effective way to deal with AFB without Terramycin which in my opinion isn't worth buying. C.K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ p.s. Hi there Doris, You could always fill holes in plastic with some harmless latex based caulk, the bees will ignore it. C.K. Article 29018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.44!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:21:11 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> <_pwt6.1245$DX5.27602@news1-hme0> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985814473 2776617 216.167.138.44 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29018 >Fascinating to hear Americans discussing spelling and grammar! heh heh.. #;-) nice one Peter. C.K. Article 29019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:25:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3ac2569b.1126569687@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29019 Vegitable seed pollination. beekeep On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:53:38 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net... >> I received an RFQ (Request for Quotation) from USDA wanting to rent >> 160 to 220 5 frame nucs in NY. >> >> Before my beekeeping career I was a government contractor for about 20 >> years or so. Let me tell you this one is full of holes. First off >> they only specify that there be a viable queen in the hive. No frame >> size is stated and the number of frames of brood or frames covered by >> bees is not specified. Some capped brood must be present to proove >> the queen is good. They ask for Nuclear hives! Maybe they want them >> to glow in the dark? >> >> If you are interested they can be contacted by email: >> elegates@naa.ars.usda.gov. Ask for RFQ 06-3615-01 >> >> I would guess that they will go for a very good price. I wouldn't bid >> less than $50.00 each myself. You can get the nuc boxes from Mann >> Lake for about $16.00 ea. The contract can also be extended for >> several years to boot. >> >> beekeep >> > > Article 29020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:38:50 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 985815570 147.25.198.43 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:39:30 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:39:30 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29020 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi George Styer wrote: > For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? Go to the above link and click on "Beehive Rentals" you can read all about it there. Article 29021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC25C4A.5DEEC651@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:48:58 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 985816178 147.25.198.43 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:49:38 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:49:38 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29021 http://cbdnet.access.gpo.gov/search1.html Okay, let's try that again -- use the above link and in the "Search Terms" box, type in the RFQ number: 06-3615-01 and then click on "Beehive Rentals" (you know nothing's simple in dealing with the federal government!) Article 29022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.91.0.34!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 73 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:46:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 985819565 24.147.172.21 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:46:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:46:05 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29022 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:lpu1cto98g8q4da50emv6cjovaetfdh3vp@4ax.com... > David Verville implores us: > > >I agree that a discussion group is where information should be exchanged, > >however, in a mature, civil, friendly manner. > > You mean like yourself..'asking how' to filter out a fellow poster, > when I bet you knew all along, avoid cuteness and don't insult our > intelligence. Honestly, I knew there was some way but it was easier to just to delete the unopened message. This method worked fine for just a few occurrences but the volume of posts has increased and I wanted to automate the process. > >It should have been sent in response to the person who misspells the word > >beekeeper. > > Do you refer to 'beekeep' which is in fact not misspelled but an > appropriative title for one who keeps bees. Rather like 'barkeep' a > much loved title extended to innkeepers in old films about the > American West. > Is this a question? I do not refer to some one who keeps bees as a beekeep. My dictionary clearly states that the appropriate title of one who keeps bees is a beekeeper. Just as some one providing temporary child care would be called a baby sitter, not a baby sit. My son says he wants to be a race car driver when he grows up. Should I be correcting him? Should he be saying race car driv? Lastly, "to filter out a fellow poster" to " to filter out a fellow post" > > Several others have also mentioned the coarseness of this particular person. > Really, I bet that's a lie. Why don't you name these 'several others' > SO we can flame them properly. > Well, for obvious reasons I will not post their names on this news group. I can however, send the names to you privately if you wish to correspond with them directly. Do you want just the names or the entire posted thread? Also from which of the following news groups that he subscibes to would you like: alt.autos.dodge.trucks sci.agriculture.beekeeping rec.motorcycles.harley rec.collecting.coins > >It is these "potty-mouth" responses from this particular reader that I wish > > to block. > > XXXX you David, I don't know what world you live in, but it's not the > real one. > > C.K. Up to this point, I thought we were having an intelligent exchange of information. However, jumping into this tread shows your intelligence or lack thereof and your vulgar closing shows your lack of vocabulary. It must be very frustrating when your vocabulary fails and you just can't express in words what you really want to say. David Verville Article 29023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:06:59 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-ZFUu+IXA/S7ea5EXmrgBXP1I4PwA+PWv7SnBrjOCY09xBbg8DIa9DBO0/nGGlcqOpxPNEIY1nE3OTyE!rDHmhFcREjQZGWFIzv4ALmhmIK4pV5GcnFe1fpJcf3R2VhjkQyDg3aTSR3IyDopIRb44Oq9QQrBm!iQIdJAY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:06:17 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29023 Thanks for the info C.K., I'm surrounded by thousands of acres of cotton fields and land set aside as unused grass land through a program called CRP. The bees are in about 100 acres of some heavily overgrown mesquite and elm pasture. We are under the boll weevil eradication program here. There's lots of spraying during certain parts of the year. Any ideas on protecting the bees when the spraying starts? "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:tqh4ctok8l5aeoc01f966tol11f1pnv9eq@4ax.com... > Mark, > > It will pretty much depend on the weather. If you're going to really > make a lot of divisions based on frames with brood, while buying in > extra queens, you will need to be finished up with that by the middle > of May; (weather remember) this will give all your little 'nucs' at > least maybe 6 weeks to build up and get in some stores; but, I think > in this country (North Texas) that's pretty risky. You could wind up > with a lot of weak hives you had to feed and basically unable to get > through next winter. Unless it's a wet summer, which is always > unlikely, your bees are not going to have a lot to bring in after > July. > > If you're surrounded by agribusiness concerns that grow blooming crops > like rape (canola oil) sunflowers, or cotton, that would give you an > extended season, but your bees would be in danger of being sprayed or > suffer the after effects of the fields being sprayed, even if you kept > your bees in on the day the spraying occurred. > > Agri business farming methods in the U.S. are hell on beekeepers, who > apparently have no 'lobby' in Washington, even though we are being > invited to think beekeeping is critical for putting food on the table. > We used to be able to rely on the USDA, but now that seems to be in > question. > > C.K. Article 29024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC2869F.CFE3EDB6@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:49:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 985826643 208.13.202.241 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:44:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:44:03 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29024 Enough already! Article 29025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:16:54 -0800 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 12 Sender: newservice@30-101.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <99u2d0$413$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 30-101.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 985828576 4131 64.24.176.101 (29 Mar 2001 01:16:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Mar 2001 01:16:16 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29025 In article , "David Verville" wrote: -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <3ab5537a.274091614@news1.radix.net> <_pwt6.1245$DX5.27602@news1-hme0> Subject: Re: Building up Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:48:45 -0800 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-105.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ac29387@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 28 Mar 2001 17:44:39 -0800, tc1-105.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-105.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29026 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message ... >>Fascinating to hear Americans discussing spelling and grammar! > Do we mean Tori Spelling and Kelsey Grammar? Article 29027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arcadia Insect Fair - this weekend! (Los Angeles) Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:16:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.34.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 985832160 209.179.34.102 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:16:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:16:00 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29027 For details go to http://www.insectnet.com See you there! - Clark Article 29028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com.MISMATCH!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "CompostKing" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: Terramycin Patty question (U.S.) Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:37:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.9.205.239 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 985837072 208.9.205.239 (Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:37:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:37:52 EST Organization: Delaware On Line (dol.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:275 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29028 Dear Allen, let me ask you this. How do you feel about putting terramycin into regular pollen/sugar patties? Have you ever done this? thanks. Ed Allen Dick wrote in message news:Xns9071DBE1DE682allendinternodenet@198.161.156.10... > When resistant AFB first came to the US, there was some unfounded public > speculation as to how it came to be. No proof was ever given. The victim > of this speculation was the extender patty, since patties are a relatively > recent development and happened to be used in many of the outfits where the > SAFB was first found. > > Even though patties were never proven to be anything other than innocent > bystanders, with any gossip and speculation, a story takes on a life of its > own as it is passed around. The unfounded speculation was soon accepted > uncritically -- and even passed on -- by some pretty well respected people > and became regarded as fact. > > AFAIK, there is no evidence *whatsoever* that there is any causal > relationship. In fact the extender patty is the most reliable method OTC > application. If you are going to use OTC, the patty is the most effective > method of delivery and the one that has the least likelihood of causing > honey contmination, since the OTC is in a non-water soluble carrier. > > Larry Farris posted in > <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com>: > > >I'm a little confused and would appreciate some > >clarification as to the use of Terramycin extender > >patties as developed by Dr. Bill Wilson. > > > >I see on the MannLake website, they still sell > >these things (I've usually always made up my own). > >In fact they say, "The most effective way to control > >foulbrood. Assures proper dosage of TerramycinTM. > >Prevents sub-lethal dose of TerramycinTM." yada, > >yada... {page 23 of their online catalogue} > > > >Yet, in the latest issue of the Northeastern Kansas > >Beekeepers Association, "THE BEE BUZZER", > >I read in the April 2001 issue, "Do not use Terramycin > >Patties. They are no longer recommended." > Article 29029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Patty question (U.S.) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com> <3AC34CAE.56F2385B@raytheon.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 35 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:25:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 985879541 198.161.229.178 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:25:41 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:25:41 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:276 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29029 >Thanks Allen for your reply. It's much as I figured -- I, for one, >will continue to use the "Terra-Patties" because I feel that >Mann Lake is not guilty of false advertising when they say >their Terra-Patties "Prevents sub-lethal dose of TerramycinTM." >I'm quite sure they don't intend to misled the beekeeping public! > >(It's interesting how the 'rumor mill' works, eh?) Yes, it is. And I am happy to report that there is currently an investigation underway to try to determine -- using DNA techniques -- if the cases of resistant AFB being found have occurred due to a number of distinct and isolated mutations or selections at various locations, or simply due to one strain that is being spread by trade in honey and equipment. This is a question that should have been asked at the outset. Instead, the assumption was made that AFB was developing resistance everywhere. A scapegoat was sought and extender patties were the casualty. At a recent Alberta meeting, an inspector from Florida confirmed that resistant AFB spores were found in exposed empty Argentine honey drums near one of their early outbreaks of resistant AFB. The current foot and mouth outbreak is giving credence to those of us who have been warning what can happen if a virulent disease is able to ride along with travellers or in commercial products. As for F&M, there was a long sad tale posted to BEE-L ( http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ ) about the effects of quarantines on those in affected areas, and a wake-up call for beekeepers as to what will happen to their freedom of movement if F&M comes to their neighbourhood. allen Article 29030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smokey flavoured Honey? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:59:57 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29030 Has anyone ever heard of a smoky flavoured honey? I don't know which part of the world it is supposed to come from. Supplementary question - has anyone ever heard of honey becoming smoke flavoured, by to much use of the smoker in the hive? -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.html Article 29031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister2.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thurber Long Cage Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:05:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.75.67.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister2.starband.net 985881955 148.75.67.98 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:05:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:05:55 EST Organization: Starband Communications Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29031 I found an article in may 1999 bee culture which talks about and even supposedly shows how to build a Thurber Long Cage. The article is very confusing and I have asked others to try to figure out how to make it to no avail. Does anyone know where I can find a clear plan of how to construct this cage. I have queens coming in the mail today or tomorrow and need to know pretty quickly. Many thanks Lowell -- Article 29032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokey flavoured Honey? From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:54:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.204 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 985884889 198.161.229.204 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:54:49 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:54:49 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29032 >Supplementary question - has anyone ever heard of honey becoming smoke >flavoured, by to much use of the smoker in the hive? Absolutely. I had a neighbour come by with some honey that was tainted by his use of an aerosol 'smoker' spray. It is also possible to taint honey by careless or excessive smoker use, especially where there is honey in open cells. Some materials beekeepers may decide to use for smoker fuel can contaminate honey with toxic or objectionable smoke components or particles that show up in routine tests and may cause it to be rejected by commercial honey packers. allen Article 29033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kidney John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokey flavoured Honey? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:24:29 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29033 On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:54:49 GMT, allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) wrote: >>Supplementary question - has anyone ever heard of honey becoming smoke >>flavoured, by to much use of the smoker in the hive? > >Absolutely. I had a neighbour come by with some honey that was tainted by >his use of an aerosol 'smoker' spray. > >It is also possible to taint honey by careless or excessive smoker use, >especially where there is honey in open cells. > >Some materials beekeepers may decide to use for smoker fuel can contaminate >honey with toxic or objectionable smoke components or particles that show >up in routine tests and may cause it to be rejected by commercial honey >packers. > >allen Thanks. A friend was telling me about some wild, smokey flavoured honey. It's not something I'd ever come across before, so I thought I'd better find out. The honey in question was from SE Asia, apparently. -- kj @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk TERMINUS - www.jaf.co.uk/terminus.html Article 29034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC34CAE.56F2385B@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Patty question (U.S.) References: <3AC0EC6D.4AF5701F@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:54:38 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 985877716 147.25.198.43 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:55:16 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:55:16 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:277 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29034 Thanks Allen for your reply. It's much as I figured -- I, for one, will continue to use the "Terra-Patties" because I feel that MannLake is not guilty of false advertising when they say their Terra-Patties "Prevents sub-lethal dose of TerramycinTM." I'm quite sure they don't intend to misled the beekeeping public! (It's interesting how the 'rumor mill' works, eh?) Article 29035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Message-ID: <985877470@zbee.com> Lines: 5 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:51:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 985877713 194.112.43.78 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:55:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:55:13 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29035 I need a reply to confirm wcnews has exported ok and seen Thanks st@zbee.com ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 29036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mating swarm Lines: 31 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 985894878 12.73.43.150 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29036 Can someone describe the phenomenon of the mating swarm. I have never witnessed it firsthand until today (I think). Here is what happened. I know this hive had queen cells because I removed several frames with cells and put them in mating nucs 5 days ago. I did not spend a lot of time searching for the old queen as my wife thinks they swarmed last week when I was out of town. I left a few sealed cells in the parent. Today, the parent hive cast 2 swarms 30 minutes apart (10:30 am and 11:00 am). On the first occasion, they never settled and returned to the hive over a period of about 10 minutes. On the second occasion, a mass about the size of a cantaloupe melon settled high in a tree. As soon as they clustered they began to return to the hive and the cluster slowly diminished over a period of about 10 minutes. Not like a swarm where they would leave en mass to seek out a new location after clustering. Yes, I am quite certain that they returned to the hive. The return flight path was quite easy to follow. So were these mating swarms? What I am most interested in is a description of the behavior rather than just a confirmation or rejection. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 29037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: References: <996jan$27ei$1@raewyn.paradise.net.nz> <3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no><99b9kr$2pq4$2@news6.isdnet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Lines: 68 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:55:49 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.229.187 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 985895026 212.137.229.187 (Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:43:46 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:43:46 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29037 Plum and grape mead! Sounds delicious! > From: "apipop" > Reply-To: "apipop" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:20:52 +0100 > Subject: Re: Fallen Fruit > > Bonjour from south of France, ;-)) > Caution ! > Last year I got some late honey from hives near plum trees. It was > dark smelling plum but not dry enough. I had to keep it in a > refrigerator to prevent fermentation. We have similar problem with > grape residues in vineyards. The juice cropped by bees is so rich in > ferments that it is highly susceptible to fermentation, even if tested > at 15% of water only ! > I do not feel confident to feed with such sugar juice because the > ferments and mineral elements may jam the "stomach" of the bees that > is not good condition for wintering. > > -- > apipop > N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] > _ > "Anthony Morgan" a écrit dans le message news: > 3AB716DE.CDA93D64@iet.hist.no... >> Liz wrote: >>> >>> Our pear tree is dropping it's excess fruit and the birds and > chickens are >>> eating them. Yesterday afternoon when picking up the half eaten > ones to >>> compost, I found they all had 2-4 bees working away at them. It > is the >>> beginning of Autumn here now and the nectar is drying up - as it > does! Can >>> someone please tell me - are the bees after the sugar in the > fruit? or >>> something else? >>> Thanks >>> Liz (Auckland, NZ) >> >> Bees are known to collect fruit juice when nothing else is on offer, >> however they do not go to perfect fruit only fruit that has been > damaged >> by some other insect (such as wasps), by birds or by mechanical > damage. >> >> Four years ago we had some late season plum juice honey - it was >> delightful! >> We had an excess of fruit which we had no time to pick and as this >> became over-ripe it was attacked by wasps. The frames (wood) were >> stained yellow and the hives smelled of plum, the honey was also a >> golden yellow colour and did not crystallize. >> >> Tony >> -- >> Anthony N Morgan, >> Førsteamanuensis >> Institutt for Elektroteknikk >> Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag >> N-7005 Trondheim, Norway >> anthony@iet.hist.no >> Tlf. 73 55 96 04 >> Fax. 73 55 95 81 > > Article 29038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating swarm Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:00:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3ac39415.1207795279@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p39.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29038 On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:18 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >Can someone describe the phenomenon of the mating swarm. I have never >witnessed it firsthand until today (I think). > >Here is what happened. I know this hive had queen cells because I removed >several frames with cells and put them in mating nucs 5 days ago. I did not >spend a lot of time searching for the old queen as my wife thinks they >swarmed last week when I was out of town. I left a few sealed cells in the >parent. > >Today, the parent hive cast 2 swarms 30 minutes apart (10:30 am and 11:00 >am). On the first occasion, they never settled and returned to the hive over >a period of about 10 minutes. On the second occasion, a mass about the size >of a cantaloupe melon settled high in a tree. As soon as they clustered they >began to return to the hive and the cluster slowly diminished over a period >of about 10 minutes. Not like a swarm where they would leave en mass to seek >out a new location after clustering. Yes, I am quite certain that they >returned to the hive. The return flight path was quite easy to follow. > >So were these mating swarms? What I am most interested in is a description >of the behavior rather than just a confirmation or rejection. > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > I would guess that they were queenless swarms. I have seen it happen when the queen could not fly. beekeep Article 29039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Mar 2001 20:20:58 GMT References: <3ac110e7.1043239879@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Is this a carpenter bee? Message-ID: <20010329152058.14422.00001424@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29039 The female and the drone Xylocopa virginica are also pictured at: http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:59:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3ABC8C72.A41E42BC@together.net> <3abce4fd.769993259@news1.radix.net> <3ABDFE15.8E48456B@together.net> <9NFOJxAETQw6Ew3A@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 985905326 nnrp-10:13917 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29040 In article , Kidney John writes >On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:16 +0100, James Kilty > wrote: > >>In article , David >>Verville writes >>>My request for information to blocker a user >>It is not recommended to block anyone in a newsgroup AFIAK. You mess up >>the news system I think. > >Even Outlook Express () allows one to 'block' specific posters, snip Whoops. It *is* easy in a Usenet group like this one or individual emails - my comment refers to *email lists* like BEE-L and IBList when a returned email goes to the List host and causes problems. I use Turnpike which allows me to set kill rules and I have used them! Sorry, I got in a muddle, being a member of several lists. -- James Kilty Article 29041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building up Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:50:08 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 39 Message-ID: <046484B92E013FD7.DFBC5702A9C64534.A18B91BE91580E11@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <9a1345$hng@library1.airnews.net> References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <99ag3j$dnl2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Mar 29 22:47:01 2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: !_2Z)1k-WqL9RkC (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29041 This string brought something to mind. Where is the BIG JOHNSON lately? I remember some fantastic posts around Nov and Dec. of '99. ;>) Lurker "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:99ag3j$dnl2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Who was it that said .. you must be pretty dumb if you can't spell a word > more than one way!!! > > -- > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Bill Wallace" wrote in message > news:992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net... > > Hello all > > Im looking for any information on building up my apiarie. > > I would like to get to 50 hives and increase my honey and wax production I > > have 10 hives now im looking for info on splits running two queen > colonies > > planting for bees and anything on setting up a good honey house and bee > yard > > I would like to get around 100 to 200 hives over the next few years I have > > the space to put them.I live in central IL and the weather is getting > ready > > to turn to the better and im ready to go. > > > > > > Article 29042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:44:22 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9a1v38$3asok$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <985877470@zbee.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 985956265 3502868 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29042 I'd say this message worked! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Steven Turner" wrote in message news:985877470@zbee.com... > I need a reply to confirm wcnews has exported ok and seen > Thanks st@zbee.com > > ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 29043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:44:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Nothing Could Bee Finer than to BEE in Caroliner in the Springtime! Message-ID: <20010330094400.27568.00001855@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29043 Copy FYI, of posting in garden forums: IF you are still stuck in the cold and gloom of a winter that just hates to go away, come and make a virtual visit to SPRING, and the beekeeper's best time of year - when the azaleas and the wisteria make the world a place of vibrant colors; the warm sun and the soft rain are quickly turning the world green; and the bees are just bustin' the hives. Perhaps you have wondered where your local beekeeper (you know - the one that pollinates your garden) gets his hives? Beekeepers used to simply catch swarms, but they don't propagate so freely nowadays, and beekeepers have to raise bees just like any other livestock. Each hive that is healthy and strong at the end of winter is like a pregnant cow, ready to give birth. It's "calving time" for beekeepers in the south, where most US bees are raised nowadays. Here is a slide show about making nucs (starter hives), for those who just simply can't bee here in the center of the world: "Calving Time" among the Bees: http://kutikshoney.com/nucs.htm Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 29044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Building up X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AC4974A.F92BFE2F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <992vdr$dum6$1@news3.infoave.net> <99ag3j$dnl2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <046484B92E013FD7.DFBC5702A9C64534.A18B91BE91580E11@lp.airnews.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:25:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29044 De Witt wrote: > > This string brought something to mind. Where is the BIG JOHNSON lately? I > remember some fantastic posts around Nov and Dec. of '99. ;>) > > Lurker > I was wondering the same thing myself. Hk1beeman posted that he was no longer going to be making bee vacs but I notice it is still listed the 2001 Brushy catalog. What gives? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 39 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:53:52 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Message-ID: <20010330095352.27568.00001858@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29045 >I'm surrounded by thousands of acres of cotton fields and land set aside as >unused grass land through a program called CRP. The bees are in about 100 >acres of some heavily overgrown mesquite and elm pasture. We are under the >boll weevil eradication program here. There's lots of spraying during >certain parts of the year. Any ideas on protecting the bees when the >spraying starts? Find out what the pesticide is and get a copy of the label. If the material is toxic to bees, it will have specific instructions on protecting bees under the topic "Environmental Hazards." You can get a copy of most pesticide labels from Crop Data Systems or the manufacturer online. See: http://pollinator.com/pesticide_misuse.htm The label directions are the law, and they usually forbid application while bees are foraging in the blossoms. Use not in accord with the directions is pesticide misuse, and wilfully doing so is a crime. After you notify them that bees are foraging in the cotton blossoms, they have to adjust the application or be liable. They will try to circumvent the label directions, by trying to make you restrict the bees from flying, or move the hives, but that is not compliance with the law, and you will have to educate yourself and stand firm. If all beekeepers did this, we would have few bee kills. As to making nucs, that should be done in the spring. You can make some in the fall, if you are an expert beekeeper and willing to gamble a bit, then get some of them thru winter on a screen over strong hives, but forget about making nucs during a Texas summer. Making Nucs in South Carolina: http://kutikshoney.com/nucs.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Mar 2001 18:47:40 GMT References: <3abd24a5.786289159@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: honey heater Message-ID: <20010330134740.09405.00001524@ng-mp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29046 >Does anyone know where I can find a >>thermostat that will go up to 120 degrees? > Walter Kelley Co. Inc. Heat Limit Control = 60-250 deg. Catalog # 250 $42.00 1-800-233-2899 Article 29047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC4F06D.F4E92603@iquest.net> From: c3d X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers References: <20010330095352.27568.00001858@ng-mj1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:45:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.236.162 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@iquest.net X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 985978494 204.95.236.162 (Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:54:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:54:54 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29047 Dave Green wrote: > >I'm surrounded by thousands of acres of cotton fields and land set aside as > >unused grass land through a program called CRP. The bees are in about 100 > >acres of some heavily overgrown mesquite and elm pasture. We are under the > >boll weevil eradication program here. There's lots of spraying during > >certain parts of the year. Any ideas on protecting the bees when the > >spraying starts? > > Find out what the pesticide is and get a copy of the label. If the material > is toxic to bees, it will have specific instructions on protecting bees under > the topic "Environmental Hazards." You can get a copy of most pesticide labels > from Crop Data Systems or the manufacturer online. > See: http://pollinator.com/pesticide_misuse.htm > > The label directions are the law, and they usually forbid application while > bees are foraging in the blossoms. Use not in accord with the directions is > pesticide misuse, and wilfully doing so is a crime. After you notify them that > bees are foraging in the cotton blossoms, they have to adjust the application > or be liable. > > They will try to circumvent the label directions, by trying to make you > restrict the bees from flying, or move the hives, but that is not compliance > with the law, and you will have to educate yourself and stand firm. If all > beekeepers did this, we would have few bee kills. > > As to making nucs, that should be done in the spring. You can make some in > the fall, if you are an expert beekeeper and willing to gamble a bit, then get > some of them thru winter on a screen over strong hives, but forget about making > nucs during a Texas summer. > > Making Nucs in South Carolina: > http://kutikshoney.com/nucs.htm > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. In the Midwest, farmers are avid users of pesticides (maybe even encouraged by USDA). Does anyone know of successful prosecution of illegal applicators in the Midwest? Better yet, has anyone had success in limiting these applications without having to resort to prosecution? We have problems here not only with pesticides, but also herbicides. It's not unusual to see the big applicators racing from one end of a field to another, spraying in a 20-25mph wind drifting all over downwind landscaping---the neighbors be damned! Article 29048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Mar 2001 22:59:45 GMT References: <99nh00$1rkus$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Reveresd box Message-ID: <20010330175945.25083.00001413@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29048 Has anybody done this....... I have a brood chamber which is full brood right now and a small Super above it which has 75% of honey and pollen mix. The combs is build across way in that small super. I want to replace it. Question: Can I take another small Super with foundation and put it in between brood chamber and old small super? If I scrach up all the honey on the top old super in order the honey to running down, Will the bees clean it up and draw a new comb in the new super that I just put it in between? Tim PS. Or should I just put new super on it and take the old one off and cut out the whole combs and toss it away in landfill? Would that be easy thing to do? Article 29049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nothing Could Bee Finer than to BEE in Caroliner in the Springtime! Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:09:40 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 46 Message-ID: <9a33v4$r60$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <20010330094400.27568.00001855@ng-mj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-10-63.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 985994020 27840 209.23.10.63 (30 Mar 2001 23:13:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Mar 2001 23:13:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29049 Hi Dave, Nice pic's. Rather depressing in upstate NY. Got another 15+ inches of snow on top of the 25-30 we already have. Going to be a late spring here! Clay Crown Point,NY Dave Green wrote in message news:20010330094400.27568.00001855@ng-mj1.aol.com... > Copy FYI, of posting in garden forums: > > IF you are still stuck in the cold and gloom of a winter that just hates to > go away, come and make a virtual visit to SPRING, and the beekeeper's best time > of year - when the azaleas and the wisteria make the world a place of vibrant > colors; the warm sun and the soft rain are quickly turning the world green; and > the bees are just bustin' the hives. > > Perhaps you have wondered where your local beekeeper (you know - the one > that pollinates your garden) gets his hives? Beekeepers used to simply catch > swarms, but they don't propagate so freely nowadays, and beekeepers have to > raise bees just like any other livestock. Each hive that is healthy and strong > at the end of winter is like a pregnant cow, ready to give birth. It's "calving > time" for beekeepers in the south, where most US bees are raised nowadays. > > Here is a slide show about making nucs (starter hives), for those who just > simply can't bee here in the center of the world: > > "Calving Time" among the Bees: http://kutikshoney.com/nucs.htm > > > > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 29050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Last year's cut comb foundation Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:20:36 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29050 Hi all, I had some cut-comb foundation that I let the bees draw out last year & I ended up extracting several frames of it instead of using it as comb honey (most of the comb survived OK...). It's been sitting all winter inside (no wax moths or any other damage). Can I put it back in the hive & let the bees fill it with honey & use it for cut comb this year, or will sitting & drying out all winter make it unsuitable for that? If so, I'll just keep using it for extracted honey until it goes to pieces. Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 29051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC52554.7CF4BD96@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reveresd box References: <99nh00$1rkus$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <20010330175945.25083.00001413@ng-cr1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:31:16 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 985998369 208.13.202.227 (Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:26:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:26:09 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29051 Put the small super on the bottom board, then the brood chamber, and then the second brood chamber. The bees should clean it up. Mike Blue Taz37 wrote: > Has anybody done this....... > > I have a brood chamber which is full brood right now and a small Super above it > which has 75% of honey and pollen mix. The combs is build across way in that > small super. I want to replace it. > Question: Can I take another small Super with foundation and put it in between > brood chamber and old small super? > If I scrach up all the honey on the top old super in order the honey to running > down, Will the bees clean it up and draw a new comb in the new super that I > just put it in between? > Tim > PS. Or should I just put new super on it and take the old one off and cut out > the whole combs and toss it away in landfill? Would that be easy thing to do? Article 29052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC5258E.28D7CAD2@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Last year's cut comb foundation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:32:14 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 985998427 208.13.202.227 (Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:27:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:27:07 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29052 Yes. Rodney Isom wrote: > Hi all, > > I had some cut-comb foundation that I let the bees draw out last year & I > ended up extracting several frames of it instead of using it as comb honey > (most of the comb survived OK...). It's been sitting all winter inside (no > wax moths or any other damage). Can I put it back in the hive & let the > bees fill it with honey & use it for cut comb this year, or will sitting & > drying out all winter make it unsuitable for that? If so, I'll just keep > using it for extracted honey until it goes to pieces. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > -- > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove obvious part to reply) Article 29053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:00:03 -0600 Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986000405 3684360 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29053 > land set aside as unused grass land through a program called CRP. Yes, that's a good program, used to be called the 'land bank' pays farmers to NOT plow up their land subsequently wrecking it, plus they require a variety of grasses to grow on the land that qualifies for the handout. One of the sad things about that program is that it only helps those farmers that have at least a 'section' (1 sq. mile, 640 acres, 259 hectares) of land. They brought this in during the dust bowl and depression of the 1930's to save the larger farms. The owners of the smaller farms that failed were often seen on the road to California. Without Congress paying these guys to leave their land alone, they would have every acre plowed from Langtry to Gruver. This is always a problem when 98 percent of your state is privately owned. >There's lots of spraying during >certain parts of the year. Any ideas on protecting the bees when the >spraying starts? The pasture sounds OK, you're going to have a 'short' season. Elms are handy for pollen in February, and the Mesquite will make nice honey until July, if it rains. As regards the boll Weevil eradication program, I don't know anything about it, but it sounds bad. You will need to do two important things: Find out when the spraying will occur, go out there the night before and close up the bees. Also, find out what it is they're spraying, and how long it 'stays around. If the residue has a short 'half life', just close up the bees with a lot of shade and ventilation for a few days not forgetting to pour in water every day they're closed in. If they're using the cheaper stuff that stays around a few weeks, and the cotton is blooming, that might wipe out the bees. Hopefully they won't be spraying when the cotton's in bloom. If the spraying isn't close to your hives and there's no 'drift', you'll be alright. Good luck. C.K. Article 29054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Mar 2001 04:29:44 GMT References: <3AC52554.7CF4BD96@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Reveresd box Message-ID: <20010330232944.08901.00001440@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29054 >Put the small super on the bottom board, Regard small super... which one are we talk about the honey or foundation? then the brood chamber, and then the >second brood chamber. I've only have one brood chamber.. So, you're saying the one with honey and the mess, put it at the bottom of the brood chamber and put a new super with foundation on the top of brood chamber? Does the bottom super need to be uncaping? Kinda hard to uncaps it because can't get to it. The combs were building across way. It a crap really. > Article 29055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Mar 2001 04:33:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Venom collect.... Message-ID: <20010330233315.08901.00001442@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29055 Has anyone use bees light on Electical Charger wire to shocked into stinging pad for collect Bees Venom and sell it to the labs?? It seem like a good money. Tim Article 29056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Mar 2001 10:34:08 GMT References: <3AC25C4A.5DEEC651@raytheon.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Message-ID: <20010331053408.27550.00001391@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29056 This may seem a silly question, but why NUCS. Why not full hives? TIM MORRIS Article 29057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm lures Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:38:07 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.dd.9b Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 31 Mar 2001 06:42:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29057 Has anyone had any success with those pheromone swarm lures ? Article 29058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC5D179.AA14F59C@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reveresd box References: <3AC52554.7CF4BD96@together.net> <20010330232944.08901.00001440@ng-mo1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:45:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 986042458 206.231.24.156 (Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:40:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:40:58 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29058 Blue Taz37 wrote: > >Put the small super on the bottom board, > Regard small super... which one are we talk about the honey or foundation? The one that is messed up. > > > then the brood chamber, and then the > >second brood chamber. > > I've only have one brood chamber.. > So, you're saying the one with honey and the mess, put it at the bottom of the > brood chamber and put a new super with foundation on the top of brood chamber? Yes, that's what I am saying. The bees don't like all that honey on the bottom board, and will clean it out. They'll move the honey upstairs, and throw any crystals out the door. Because you have only one brood chamber, I could see them putting some brood in it. I use two hive bodies plus a super for my brood chamber. Living in the north, my bees need such a large brood nest. When they get going in the spring there is an explosion of brood rearing. I think I would have massive amounts of swarming with one hive body. The bees always rob out the honey and move it up, and rarely put brood into the bottom box when they have such a large brood nest above it. If they do put brood in it, I just wait till late in the season, and remove it then. Perhaps with a small brood nest like yours you could use a queen excluder? Just make sure that the queen is above it. > Does the bottom super need to be uncaping? Kinda hard to uncaps it because > can't get to it. The combs were building across way. It a crap really. No, although they will clean it up more quickly if you do. > Article 29059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Venom collect.... Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:36:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ac5bff1.51900320@news1.radix.net> References: <20010330233315.08901.00001442@ng-mo1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29059 On 31 Mar 2001 04:33:15 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >Has anyone use bees light on Electical Charger wire to shocked into stinging >pad for collect Bees Venom and sell it to the labs?? It seem like a good money. > Tim I collect venom. It is not for the meek. While it does the colony no harm it does piss them off royaly. On top of that you don't use any smoke so the venom doesn't get contaminated. I know that $90 a gram seems like a lot of money but you don't get but about a 1/10 of a gram from a hive at a time. beekeep Article 29060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AC65078.49D4965E@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:47:36 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 986067703 208.235.28.34 (Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:41:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:41:43 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29060 Oliver Frank wrote: > > Has anyone had any success with those pheromone swarm lures ? Yes. AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 29061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Mar 2001 21:02:09 GMT References: <3AC5D179.AA14F59C@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Reveresd box Message-ID: <20010331160209.27544.00001866@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29061 Great! That sound good to me. The dendelion is start to blossom. I was wonder if this is the best time to move it down. Fact, I does have Queen excluder. Article 29062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reveresd box Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:20:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3ac67384.97872939@news1.radix.net> References: <99nh00$1rkus$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <20010330175945.25083.00001413@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29062 On 30 Mar 2001 22:59:45 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >Has anybody done this....... > >I have a brood chamber which is full brood right now and a small Super above it >which has 75% of honey and pollen mix. The combs is build across way in that >small super. I want to replace it. >Question: Can I take another small Super with foundation and put it in between >brood chamber and old small super? >If I scrach up all the honey on the top old super in order the honey to running >down, Will the bees clean it up and draw a new comb in the new super that I >just put it in between? > Tim >PS. Or should I just put new super on it and take the old one off and cut out >the whole combs and toss it away in landfill? Would that be easy thing to do? You can pull the cross comb super off and put on the new super and then the inner cover. On top of the inner cover put the crosscombed super. The bees should rob it out and bring the honey down. I have seen them move a whole super of honey down in a day when it was separated with a bee escape and there was a small hole on the outside for them to get at it. beekeep Article 29063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "james E Doan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:45:05 -0500 Organization: Global Crossing Telecommunications Lines: 9 Sender: UNKNOWN@209-130-132-74.nas3.roc.gblx.net Message-ID: <9a67v2$uq6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3AC25C4A.5DEEC651@raytheon.com> <20010331053408.27550.00001391@ng-fj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-132-74.nas3.roc.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 986096418 31558 209.130.132.74 (1 Apr 2001 03:40:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2001 03:40:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29063 Because they are using them in 8x10 cages for seed pollination. Nucs work best they dont starve in a month. MORRISTH wrote in message news:20010331053408.27550.00001391@ng-fj1.aol.com... > This may seem a silly question, but why NUCS. Why not full hives? > > TIM MORRIS