Article 24611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:48:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8eignt$gi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <8e7d1o$kpm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.68 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 23:48:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.68 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24611 In the spirit of helping a new 1 hive beekeeper perhaps we could start by putting the cynicism aside for say a plastic discussion.. Glenn, The entrance reducer is meant to do only that. the tiny 1" mode or the wider 3 or 4" one. take your pick, if it's still cold maybe use the smaller one. The entrance feeders work alright but not with the entrance reducer. I would suggest using the feeder one side of the whole entrance then craft a block that will sit on the bottom board and leave an inch or two open on the other end for an entrance. a 2x4 for instance just resting on the landing board. the goal would be to keep the actual entrance and the feeder seperated and not together. This will help discourage enemy visitor bees. As far as the cold goes: If its cold at night they won't be down there. IF you have an empty deep super you could take the entrance feeder,place it on the inner cover right near the hole and put the empty super over it and cover the hive. They'll use the feeder during the night. Good method for feeding over all as it get's used during all types of weather until late fall/early winter when it gets too cold anyway. That make sense at all? Mike In article <8e7d1o$kpm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Glenn West wrote: > In article <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net>, > "THE WHITNEY'S" wrote: > > > > I'm Looking for some help on setting up the entrance reducer for a > first > > time hive ( and a first time beekeeper). The bee's are only day's > away! > > > > I noticed that the entrance feeder is the same size as the opening > for the > > 4" entrance. How do the bee's get past the feeder. I have a standard > Dadant > > hive with a entrance reducer with three options. 3/4" 4" or > nothing. > > > > What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, > taking > > in mind I have a entrance feeder. > > I think the idea is to use one or the other but not both at the same > time. > > > > > About to be stung and I can't wait > > > > Thanks Tom W. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Message-ID: References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:43:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957141785 4.33.104.103 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:43:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24612 Simon de Vet wrote: >At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor >beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to >ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the >wall. >Anyone else seen hives like this? > >Anyone have one of their own? :) Yes, and observation hives are relatively easy to build. Pictures of several observation hives that I designed and built are on my web site (below), along with some design tips. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package does not want to go down Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4146-390CCF5D-35@storefull-108.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <20000430182850.14580.00001255@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRJP23DmGol/pPoZuPjMfj9aZf9jAIVAJftw+2EPk95HB0fKDcRbNGAgY7n Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24613 If you shook them down again and used an entrance feeder, you could check for your queen on the frames of foundation. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: www.agroweb-hispana.com Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 01:17:20 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 41 Message-ID: <390cdac0.9045244@news.myOKAY.NET> References: <390cbfba$2_1@news.arrakis.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.52.165 X-Trace: news.okay.net 957143887 62584 194.29.52.165 (1 May 2000 01:18:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 01:18:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24614 On Mon, 1 May 2000 01:20:48 +0200, "aaaaaaa" wrote: >Estimado/a @migo/a: > >@groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada >el 1 de Mayo del 2000, con dos excelentes noticias: > >1) Poseemos nuestro propio dominio, más fácil de recordar: >http://www.agroweb-hispana.com > >2) Hemos superado la barrera de las 4.000 visitas mensuales, ascendiendo el >total de visitas desde que se creo el espacio a 31.413. > >Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: > >@groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas >del algodón. 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Saludos Eberhard http://www.bienen-netz.de http://www.buckfast-imker.de http://www.woersching.net Article 24615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New BEE-servers Become member of Bienen-Netz WEBRING Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 01:29:30 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 5 Message-ID: <390cdda0.9781435@news.myOKAY.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.52.165 X-Trace: news.okay.net 957144617 62584 194.29.52.165 (1 May 2000 01:30:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 01:30:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24615 http://www.bienen-netz.de/Webring/index.htm http://www.bienen-netz.de http://www.buckfast-imker.de http://www.woersching.net Article 24616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm catcher Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:00:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24616 you can try lemongrass oil...contains nassanov-like components...good luck! "yosi_sarid" wrote in message news:00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com... > Hello all. > One of my coloney swarmed high on a pine tree. I heard that > there are few formulations based on Nassanov pheromone. I > will be more than happey to know thire commerical names and > how can i get it? > Best regards > Yosi Sarid > > > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 02:17:53 GMT References: <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430221753.23652.00000856@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24617 Don't forget bees are tougher in shade than in sun. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:25:23 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8eipuj$b05$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24618 In article , Peter Kerr wrote: >In article <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" > wrote: >> >> For the record, this is dumb idea and will inevitably fail, but it will take >> years to find that out. > >Hmm, it could just work, given that the area is geographically small, so >far well defined, doesn't have a massive population of inaccessible feral >hives. Of course there are feral colonies, but visible and accessible, >easy to destroy. Mites are extremely adaptive. I'll bet on the mites. >Peter Kerr proficiency in vi >School of Music is a sign of a >University of Auckland mis-spent youth vi is adaptive too. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spanish beekeepers protest Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:31:42 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8eiqae$bdn$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24619 Thanks for this information. It's fascinating how agricultural regulation so often crosses bounds that complicate matters. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: www.agroweb-hispana.com Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 03:13:13 GMT References: <390cdac0.9045244@news.myOKAY.NET> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430231313.08509.00000524@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24620 >Hola Javier, > >donde es pagina con abelhas ??? > busqueda "abejas" Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package does not want to go down Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 01 May 2000 04:11:39 GMT References: <20000430182850.14580.00001255@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000501001139.25509.00000664@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24621 They may be balling the queen. Perhaps she was released before they had her essence sufficiently distributed, or she may be damaged in some way that causes them to refuse her. One of my packages balled the queen. When I got her out, she had a damaged wing. I don't know if she was that way or if they dmaged her wing. Article 24622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm catcher Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 01 May 2000 04:15:15 GMT References: <00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000501001515.25509.00000666@ng-df1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24622 You can order it from Dadant. http://www.dadant.com. Probably from other places as well. I think it is about $6.00 american for 2 packages. Article 24623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Beekeeper Meets a City Lawyer Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 04:27:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501002719.24911.00000693@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24623 An old beekeeper, with weatherbeaten face, and bib overalls, driving a rusty one-ton truck, collided with a new Mercedes driven by a pasty-faced guy in a business suit. Both vehicles were wrecked; both drivers were shaken up, but neither was hurt. "You old hayseed! I'm gonna sue you for this! Do you know I'm an attorney?" "Waall," drawled the old timer, "I see neither of us was hurt. There's no need to be so upset." Then he reached into his toolbox and pulled out a bottle of wine. "Lookee here! This didn't even get broke...here's a bottle of my best elderberry wine...doncha think we oughter celebrate." "Here," he said, popping the cork, "I propose a toast to our guardian angels." He handed the bottle to the young man. "Well, okay, I guess." The young fellow had stopped breathing hard, but was still shaking. "I suppose I could use some anyway." He took a long draw, then handed back the bottle to the bee man. The old timer recorked the bottle and put it away. "Aren't you gonna drink?" asked the lawyer? "Nope, I'll just wait for the police." Pollinator http://hemingwaysouthcarolina.com http://pollinator.com Article 24624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vegan web site Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:26:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <390D0784.2DC0C060@midwest.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24624 David Gladstone wrote: > > > I've just been doing a bit of surfing and quite by accident I've come > across http://www.vegansociety.com/info/info24.html uh oh, here we go again... AL Article 24625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Leon Jordaan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:32:50 +0200 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: bfn-dial-196-7-94-27.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <390d7b54.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 14:40:52 +0200, bfn-dial-196-7-94-27.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!bfn-dial-196-7-94-27.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24625 Hi Simon, Some years ago I saw an indoor glass enclosed hive at a dealer`s shop in Goodwood, Cape Town, South Africa. This facinated me. I decided to do the same and constructed a nuc hive out of glass and proceded to hive a small swarm of cape bees. This was facinating to watch. They became too big and had to be removed and placed in a normal outdoor hive. I lived in Johannesburg for a while and learned some more. I then constructed a nuc from double layered perspex to keep the temperature more constant. It was only put to use after I moved to a small town called Jagersfontein in the Freestate Province. The hive stood in my study and gave me hours of joy. Unfortunately I am now living in an area where commercial beekeeping can not be practiced and the severe droughts experienced in these parts from time to time can be blamed for this. The bees in this hive were also eventually placed in a proper hive and my little nuc has been empty since then. A few weeks ago a small swarm moved into one of my bird`s nests (I am a birdkeeper and breeder also) and in desperation to save my birds and with nothing else available I hived the bees in this nuc. My study had been changed since the last swarm called it home and for now this swarm is kept outside the house in my garden. Winter is approaching in our area and I will need to make a plan. We do experience -10 C some nights and the hive was not desighned for this. It is the three feet or three mile rule that will be causing me problems as time is running out for me and the bees. I can tell you more of some facinatings things which I observed, but enough for now. More later. Leon Simon de Vet wrote in message news:390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca... > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > wall. > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > ground. > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Simon > Article 24626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:02:04 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24626 some background on the lusbys from 1/98 "bee culture" magazine can be found online at: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html Article 24627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Introduction Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 15:08:24 GMT References: <8ehtf3$s92$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501110824.22330.00001685@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24627 Welcome. I am curious. What are your nectar and pollen plants? Do you have large nectar and pollen flows, and how long is your season? What unique or unusual challenges does beekeeping in Southwest Asia present to you? I think of your area as not really having any substantial winter to speak of, unlike the Northeastern U.S. where I am located. Do you ever get days of frost? Article 24628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:10:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24628 for more on beekeeping with/among ahb in arizona, see 1/98 "bee culture" magazine online at: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan3.html http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html Article 24629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive paint Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:20:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8ek7bm$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390af765@news.gj.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 15:20:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24629 In article <390af765@news.gj.net>, bdigman@cyberport.com wrote: > All, > I can't believe there's a hive sitting on my front porch. I > procrastinated for years, thumbing through catalogs and reading > beekeeping books. A couple of weeks ago a fellow stops by the office > on his way to an elementary school to do a presentation on bees. He > has a brand new package of bees with a neat little queen in a cage and > a shiny new hive in the back of his pickup. I started some sort of > primordial drool. Bees. Honey. Twenty minutes later the lady on the > phone is asking for the expiration date on my credit card. This > craving must be worse than crack. > My first question is about paint. I see "Beehive Paint" in the > catalogs, but I also see what appears to be regular acrylic flat latex > offered. Can I use regular acrylic from Bubba's corner hardware store > to paint the hive? Thanks. Sure. I use an exterior waterbased primer. I buy the exterior flat latex topcoat for $1 a quart from the "returned" bin at Lowes or Home Depot. You'll be amazed at how many hive bodies you can paint with a quart of paint. Using light colors will keep the hives coolest in the summer. > > P.S. Is there a pamphlet with some generally acceptable answers to > such questiions from wives such as "What the hell is a > 3-frame-hand-crank-extractor and why is it more important than new > kitchen curtains?" Thanks again. > > Barry > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: multi eggs per cell? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:44:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.45.232 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 15:44:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.45.232 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24630 I went through a hive that hasn't been doing very well and noticed some cells that had 3 eggs in them. Other cells had larvae growing. I did not see the queen but did a month ago. Does this appear to be workers laying eggs or just a bad queen? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: refining beeswax Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:51:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8ek95c$bb0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efurb$skj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.209 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 15:51:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.209 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24631 In article <8efurb$skj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > In article , > "Darren" wrote: > > Am looking for a pointer for information on the web or other source > for > > simple process to refine beeswax... Any help would be greatly > appreciated... > > Darren.. Darren, I'm a small hobbyist beekeeper and consequently clean and use fairly small amounts. Here's what I do: First, I buy the small disposable aluminum bread baking pans (5 in a pack) and float then in a stew pot partially filled with boiling water. Next, I hand pick the easier and larger chunks of debris from the cappings, and then place small blobs of cappings into the floating bread pans. After a few minutes the wax will be completely melted. Add more blobs (and pans, if needed) until all your wax is melted. Next, take a new, clean bread pan and slide it inside the leg of a brand-new pair of ladies nylons. the small pans hold the nylon material open very well. Now, pour the molten wax through the nylon and into the pan. You can slowly turn the nylon around the outside of the pan when the material becomes clogged with debris. After all the wax has been filtered, slide the pan out of the nylon and let it cool. Once the wax is solid, pull outward slightly on the edges of the aluminum pan to release the edges of the wax block. Below the wax will be a layer of separated honey. Clean off the bottom surface of the wax and you're done. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 16:44:16 GMT References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501124416.24909.00000788@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24632 From: leggsafton@my-deja.com >I went through a hive that hasn't been doing very well and noticed some >cells that had 3 eggs in them. Other cells had larvae growing. I >did not see the queen but did a month ago. Does this appear to be >workers laying eggs or just a bad queen? Laying worker eggs will be attatched to the side of the cell. Queen eggs will be at the bottom. If you have an old queen, she is failing. You may see some sealed brood that has been capped with bullet shaped caps (starting to be a drone layer). If you have a young queen (did you see a recently hatched queen cell?), give her some time to get established. Young queens often take a few days to get the hang of it. Check them again in a week and a half. In either case it would be a good idea to give them a frame or two of brood from a strong hive, including at least a few cells with eggs. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> <390d7b54.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:44:36 -0500 Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.56 Message-ID: <390db3cf_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 12:41:51 -0400, 208.24.176.56 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.56 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24633 I have been to a flee market in the Florida panhandle where a beekeeper has a hive inside the fleemarket housed in a glass hive. The hive is about 3'x3'x4' all glass with a forked tree branch in the center, that the bees have used to hang comb. This is a totally natural hive. The beekeeper got the swarm on the tree limb and sawed it off and put it in the glass enclosure. It sits to one side inside his honey and candle shop. Larry "Leon Jordaan" wrote in message news:390d7b54.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > Hi Simon, > Some years ago I saw an indoor glass enclosed hive at a dealer`s shop in > Goodwood, Cape Town, South Africa. This facinated me. I decided to do the > same and constructed a nuc hive out of glass and proceded to hive a small > swarm of cape bees. This was facinating to watch. They became too big and > had to be removed and placed in a normal outdoor hive. > I lived in Johannesburg for a while and learned some more. I then > constructed a nuc from double layered perspex to keep the temperature more > constant. It was only put to use after I moved to a small town called > Jagersfontein in the Freestate Province. The hive stood in my study and gave > me hours of joy. Unfortunately I am now living in an area where commercial > beekeeping can not be practiced and the severe droughts experienced in these > parts from time to time can be blamed for this. > The bees in this hive were also eventually placed in a proper hive and my > little nuc has been empty since then. A few weeks ago a small swarm moved > into one of my bird`s nests (I am a birdkeeper and breeder also) and in > desperation to save my birds and with nothing else available I hived the > bees in this nuc. My study had been changed since the last swarm called it > home and for now this swarm is kept outside the house in my garden. > Winter is approaching in our area and I will need to make a plan. We do > experience -10 C some nights and the hive was not desighned for this. It is > the three feet or three mile rule that will be causing me problems as time > is running out for me and the bees. > I can tell you more of some facinatings things which I observed, but enough > for now. More later. > > Leon > > Simon de Vet wrote in message > news:390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca... > > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > > wall. > > > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > > ground. > > > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > > > Simon > > > > Article 24634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Swarm Cells on New Package Hive X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <390DABDA.E2F13FCA@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:07:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 39 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24634 Group, Installed my first packages (3) on April 8. All three hives are doing great - lots of capped brood (probably some emerging today), capped honey, and pollen. Checked them all Saturday and found one with 3 queen cells hanging from the bottom of a frame. Lots of drone cells in this hive as well. The other two hives have no queen cells and I could only find one drone cell in each of them. I'm surprised that I would have a hive building swarm cells already as they have only been at it for three weeks. They have each taken 1 gal. of sugar syrup and have almost worked through an additional 1/2 gal. of extracted fall honey given me by a friendly local beekeeper. I'm feeding them with a pail inverted over the top cover. The colony with the swarm cells has been taking the most feed. I destroyed the queen cells in the one and added a 2nd deep brood box with 10 frames of foundation to all three hives as they have drawn comb on 9 of the 10 frames on the first box. I am at a loss to say which is the strongest colony as they all seem to be doing equally well. Now some questions: Did I do right by destroying the cells and adding the 2nd brood box to the colony with the swarm cells? I sure would hate to lose a package & queen to a swarm right out of the gate! They are all still taking feed even though nectar is available. Should I quit feeding them? Could this be the reason for the swarm cells? All three hives still have the entrance reducers on. When do I take them off? Newbee in S. Central Kansas, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 24635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:30:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <390dbe8b.1022703@news1.radix.net> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a3.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24635 On 01 May 2000 17:02:18 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >You have a hive with no queen and laying workers. The multiple eggs per cell is >the dead-givaway. The other sign is that drones are being raised in worker >cells. Makes a frame look like the bees went insane. NOT TRUE! Some new queens have to learn to lay one egg per cell. It can sometimes take them a week to get it right. Ya just never know with bees. Greg the beekeep Article 24636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 17:02:18 GMT References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24636 You have a hive with no queen and laying workers. The multiple eggs per cell is the dead-givaway. The other sign is that drones are being raised in worker cells. Makes a frame look like the bees went insane. I just "cured" a hive like that myself yesterday. Sadly, the hive was in the one apiary that I had waited late to do a "spring cleaning," so the drone brood was already hatching. I had opened the top of the hive several times and looked for broodnest activity in the top box, which of course there was. Recently though, I noticed few foragers coming and going. The "cure" was to take the drone-laying hive about 200 yards away, shake all the bees off the frames, then leave. I put a 1-week-old nuc on the hivestand where the drone-layer was. As told on this newsgroup and elsewhere, the drone-layers won't be able to fly back to the hive. The foraging force will, and hopefully will become part of the new nuc's foraging force. In my experience, the bees don't fly back to the old hivestand. They stay with their brood boxes and try to defend them. What a mess! Imagine loading boxes covered with clusters of angry bees in the back of your pickup. A fair number seemed to decide my pickup was the place to cluster. I drove around the field a couple times and it seemed that most headed back to their old hive spot when I drove past it. It all took way too much time, and I did'nt finish the rest of the afternoon's bee chores (removing Apistan strips). What do you commercial guys do with a drone-laying hive, that's quicker than this method? Article 24637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Explanation Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:10:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8ekdp5$gln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 17:10:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24637 Hi guys, One of my friends asked me a question that I have no answer for, so if someone can give help me with it. The guy is wondering whither the honey that we import is pure natural honey or artificial (i.e. Languiniza honey imported from germany). If it is natural he is wondering about the price why is it very low compared to what we have here, its more than ten times the price of the imported one. And the high production of honey in these countries should not lower the price by this factor. So, if any one has an explanation for this, it would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Aziz ==== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey as herbicide Lines: 20 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:14:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957201253 12.72.51.206 (Mon, 01 May 2000 17:14:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:14:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24638 I have been meaning to post this for some time now. Last fall I was rinsing some extracting equipment out on an area of lawn where I had a sump drain. To my horror, about a 8ft diameter of the lawn around the drain had turned brown, indeed died as if it had been sprayed with RoundUp only a lot faster. This was a very diluted concentration of honey. The lawn never did come back and I finally re-seeded it recently. The seed came up fine. Has anyone else experienced this and if so what is the property of the honey that would cause this. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 24639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey as herbicide Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 17:41:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501134141.10665.00000836@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24639 Honey is acid Sugar ties up available soil nitrogen in bacteria Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: colony union Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0221c012.ef5dab46@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Lines: 6 Bytes: 239 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.216.158 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eOzJ4eD5vvS/tff34JP+5Ozf5ujh6bq05+X3oez0tf6yueK1rP6otK68vbE= Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:41:56 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.68 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957204172 10.0.2.68 (Mon, 01 May 2000 11:02:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:02:52 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24640 Hello all I need a methode for having unity 2 mediume colonys into 1 big colony. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood frames Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:57:45 +0100 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lon-qbu-bsg-vty104.as.wcom.net X-Trace: ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com 957207388 28477 195.232.121.104 (1 May 2000 18:56:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 18:56:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24641 My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove some frames and put in new frames to make some space. What can I do with the old frames? I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board and putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a kind of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? Thanks Vicky Article 24642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 2000 18:59:21 GMT References: <390bfc40@pink.one.net.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000501145921.25496.00000784@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24642 Not being a beekeeper and not living on a continent where Bee-eaters live, I have only advice that comes from my experience as a horticulturalist. But, since no one has mentioned these methods of bird control, I will. First: most birds are afraid of fire. You can mimic fire by hanging streamers of mylar or other shiny material from poles to twist and sparkle in the wind. You can either hang them from individual poles or from a wire hung between poles. Like most deterrents, this will not work forever--the birds get used to it. So it is best to rotate this with some other forms of deterrence. Hawk-shaped kites, false owls, even scarecrows will all work on some birds for at least a short time. Cannons mentioned by another poster are also effective for a short time, but may disturb your neighbors (if you have any). The key is to understand your pest. If you know when they are breeding, you know when they are most likely looking for protein (insects). Do these birds *only* eat bees? Or do they have other food sources that they go to when bees are lacking? Sometimes, if you can offer birds another food source that is easier to get, then they will not bother your crop. For example, cherry farmers sometimes grow mulberries--which bloom and fruit at the same time as cherries--as a bait crop to keep the birds out of the cherries. If there were something other than bees you could cultivate for the birds, you might be able to keep them away from the hives, particularly if you made the hives harder to get to. In addition, the deterrents mentioned above will be best used when the birds are most active--instead of all the time. Now, I know bees are flying all about, but is not the main problem with birds close to the hive where the bees are in greater density? You could hang bird netting in a large cage around the hive. No doubt the bees could navigate through the openings. Some bees would still get eaten, but fewer than with no barriers. Finally, as a last resort, I would say that you could try to find another location a few miles from where you have your hives presently. You could move them for a season or so until you have basically starved out the colony (assuming bees are their main source of food) then move them back. Probably you will have attracted another colony to the alternate site at this point, so it will be time to move anyway. Once again, I must attach the disclaimer--I'm not a beekeeper, I live in North America, and I am only extrapolating information from handling other pest birds. If anyone has information that I missed or assumed wrongly, please feel free to comment. trying to be helpful, Kelly Article 24643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey loan deficiency program to be reinstated? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:19:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957208741 204.186.180.199 (Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:19:01 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24643 We received a letter today about the possibility of the honey loan deficiency program being reinstated. All beekeepers should read this! Follow the link below to go directly to the article, once there if you want to return to the regular frames view click on the home button. You can print it out or I can send you a notepad version just send me your email address. http://www.draperbee.com/info/hot%20topics.htm Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Article 24644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:12:59 -0500 Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.81 Message-ID: <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 16:10:20 -0400, 208.24.176.81 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.81 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24644 Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you can see what they look like. http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG Larry wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. I > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear the > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that bees > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do not > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for many > reasons. > > I glad to read from you. > Best wishes > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > asiray0a@hotmail.com > asiray0@mail.com > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:50:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 20:50:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24645 I'm curious why you feel the need to cull the box of brood(and future bees) and then replace the brood with 'new' frames. Lots of brood is generally a good thing! If you feel very strongly that they simply don't have anymore room for brood, put another deep with frames on. Or another super anyway. The bee population isn't always going to be running so high in production of new ones. If you think they are too big give 2 or 3 frames to a colony that needs help. Otherwise treat such a queen as a gift. enjoy, Mike In article <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, "Vicky Campbell" wrote: > My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove some > frames and put in new frames to make some space. > What can I do with the old frames? > I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board and > putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a kind > of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? > Thanks > Vicky > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:38:34 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 19 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ekpkq$dsj$2@news.smartworld.net> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24646 > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass... > Anyone else seen hives like this? Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ and choose the 'Observation Hive' link. AFAIK, I have links to all the best observation hive websites and dealers there, but if anyone knows of some I've missed, please let me know. allen --- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:46:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ekuq3$sui$4@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218435 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24647 Yes - very common in England. I have managed one in the Butterfly Farm in Stratford-upon-Avon for some years (not occupied at present), there is one in Warwick museum, but the best ones are probably those at Quince Honey farm, South Molton, Devon. "Simon de Vet" wrote in message news:390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca... > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > wall. > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > ground. > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Simon > Article 24648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:28:38 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 50 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ekpkn$dsj$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust61.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24648 > What odds are you offering for those bets? Five'll get you ten, but I want to see your money. > I hear suggestions that varroa clearance by hive destruction will have to > be repeated at 5 year intervals forever. Yes. Nobody knows how varroa got there, so how can they think it will not come back in the remote chance that they eliminate it? I've been quiet about this and no one else has dared to bring it up, but who knows that the varroa wasn't introduced deliberately? Some in NZ have been immodestly bragging about their (lucky) status -- and by inference knocking all the other beekeepers of the world and their products. One does not make friends that way. Don't get me wrong. I don't advocate such acts, but I'm not unaware that there is a little bad feeling towards NZ. (NOT from me. FWIW, years ago, I hosted the first NZ web pages for free for some time until they got reasonably priced web hosting facilities). > Cynical observers might suggest that MAF apiary > inspectors had a vested interest in keeping AFB going to keep their jobs > going. You don't have ro be all that cynical to think the fox is running the hen house, and not just in NZ. > Those same cynical observers could claim at least the AFB PMS might work > now if varroa forces the lazy and incompetent beekeepers out of the > trade... If they put enough beekeepers out of business, no one will care about varroa. I bought the Van Eaton AFB book, and have always intended to write an article about how the AFB project won't work either, but have not had the time. Here again, I hope it does work, but doubt it will. allen --- Look over my shoulder... Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and much more... Article 24649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: www.agroweb-hispana.com Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:54:46 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 25 Message-ID: <390df6a3.2340538@news.myOKAY.NET> References: <390cdac0.9045244@news.myOKAY.NET> <20000430231313.08509.00000524@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.53.193 X-Trace: news.okay.net 957218128 16236 194.29.53.193 (1 May 2000 21:55:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 21:55:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24649 On 01 May 2000 03:13:13 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >>Hola Javier, >> >>donde es pagina con abelhas ??? >> > >busqueda "abejas" > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Hi thanx, but i ask for the bee-pages on agroweb-hispana.com PS http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm DOESN´T WORK http://pollinator.com works fine and was a good tip. Thanx Article 24650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:34:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8ekuq1$sui$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> <390dbe8b.1022703@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218433 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24650 Agree with you Greg - I have also found that vigorous newly mated queens in nucs will lay multiple eggs in cells if there are not enough cells available for them; move the nuc into a full broood box and they lay normally. wrote in message news:390dbe8b.1022703@news1.radix.net... > On 01 May 2000 17:02:18 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > >You have a hive with no queen and laying workers. The multiple eggs per cell is > >the dead-givaway. The other sign is that drones are being raised in worker > >cells. Makes a frame look like the bees went insane. > > NOT TRUE! Some new queens have to learn to lay one egg per cell. > It can sometimes take them a week to get it right. Ya just never know > with bees. > > Greg the beekeep > Article 24651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive paint Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:36:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8ekuq2$sui$3@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <390af765@news.gj.net> <8ek7bm$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218434 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24651 Many postings on this subject 18-20 June last year. "Glenn West" wrote in message news:8ek7bm$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <390af765@news.gj.net>, > bdigman@cyberport.com wrote: > > All, > > I can't believe there's a hive sitting on my front porch. I > > procrastinated for years, thumbing through catalogs and reading > > beekeeping books. A couple of weeks ago a fellow stops by the office > > on his way to an elementary school to do a presentation on bees. He > > has a brand new package of bees with a neat little queen in a cage and > > a shiny new hive in the back of his pickup. I started some sort of > > primordial drool. Bees. Honey. Twenty minutes later the lady on the > > phone is asking for the expiration date on my credit card. This > > craving must be worse than crack. > > My first question is about paint. I see "Beehive Paint" in the > > catalogs, but I also see what appears to be regular acrylic flat latex > > offered. Can I use regular acrylic from Bubba's corner hardware store > > to paint the hive? Thanks. > > Sure. I use an exterior waterbased primer. I buy the exterior flat > latex topcoat for $1 a quart from the "returned" bin at Lowes or Home > Depot. You'll be amazed at how many hive bodies you can paint with a > quart of paint. Using light colors will keep the hives coolest in the > summer. > > > > > P.S. Is there a pamphlet with some generally acceptable answers > to > > such questiions from wives such as "What the hell is a > > 3-frame-hand-crank-extractor and why is it more important than new > > kitchen curtains?" Thanks again. > > > > Barry > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey as herbicide Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:31:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8ekuq0$sui$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000501134141.10665.00000836@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218432 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24652 ...and attracts lots of robbing bees! "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000501134141.10665.00000836@ng-cu1.aol.com... > Honey is acid > Sugar ties up available soil nitrogen in bacteria > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:49:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8ekuq4$sui$5@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000427222501.10659.00000133@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218436 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24653 Cape bees have been introduced into Germany for research purposes. Not the brightest idea in my opinion. "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000427222501.10659.00000133@ng-cu1.aol.com... > Cape bees are not bio control for africanized honey bees. They may be a > worst pest for beekeepers than AHB, since they cause honeybee colonies, > European and African, to go haywire and self destruct. > God help us all if some misguided fool ever decides to introduce the Cape > bee in Europe, America (North or South), Australia, or elsewhere. Article 24654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa control Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:00:17 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-162.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 957218437 29650 62.136.2.162 (1 May 2000 22:00:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2000 22:00:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24654 I am rather surprised that the latest developments in varroa control do not seem to have reached this group yet. Briefly: Vita (Europe) Ltd announced at the Stoneleigh Convention that they are introducing Pherovar in November. This is a pheromone (delivered in a small plastic plug which is pinned in the hive) which stops varroa entering cells to breed. Apparently, they are also working on controlling AFB with a bacterium which attacks it. I have also learnt recently that research is underway to control varroa with pathogenic fungi; apparently other types of mites on crops grown in glasshouses are well controlled in this way at present and there seems to be no reason why varroa could not be similarly controlled. There seems to light at the end of the tunnel! Article 24655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:33:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8el0om$6q3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 22:33:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24655 I installed some package bees a few weeks ago, they didn't do so good...they sort of look alive now that the weather is better, but even though they move around and a few make it to the front to hang out they are not out and flying on sunny days. (I open the lid and they crawl around a little, that's all, on a sunny 60 degree day). The queen didn't make it...I sprayed them lightly with sugar a few days ago fearing they were starving due to the previous cold (they weren't eating out of the jar)... Are they goners? Should I order another queen or a complete package. (I don't want to give up...it looks like a fun hobby). Is there any hope these barely moving bees will come back? If I order new ones and these come back can they be joined? Thanks, Ron E. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:47:55 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221209 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24656 In article , Peter Kerr writes >Hmm, it could just work, given that the area is geographically small, so >far well defined, doesn't have a massive population of inaccessible feral >hives. Of course there are feral colonies, but visible and accessible, >easy to destroy. Of course it will work. The price will be all beekeepers hives for *several* years as you track down all colonies feral or kept and keep tracking to be sure. In a couple of years you'll have to determine that there are *no* honeybees anywhere on the island and when you find one, you'll have to follow it to it's colony. There will always be some that are difficult to find. To be sure, you'll have to keep adding years on to the original thought. The cost to search and destroy will also be high. Will there be compensation for the beekeepers income? Can you guarantee that no further varroa will come in on a ship? Will beekeepers want to start from scratch again? Will you search the imported colonies to 100% exclude varroa? How will your kiwi fruit exporters pollinate their crops? Add up the cost. I suggest the price is too high chasing a dream. Most of us in this newsgroup live with it. In fact, it seems that the new standards of beekeeping actually improve the bees and the harvest. >I've been reading some of the claims for essential oils, and drone brood >combs. Plausible, but, they would take discipline and dedication, precise >dosing and timing. If NZ beekeepers were able to do this, how come they >haven't got rid of AFB in the past 100 years? You have implied a connection between your statements and an unstated conclusion. Ask a logician in your University to point this out. >Varroa has arrived just as the NBA was swinging into action with the PMS >to get rid of AFB by infected hive destruction. Killing two birds with the >one stone may not be such a silly idea... There are not two birds here. On the one hand you will kill hives with proven AFB as we do here in the UK. This will reduce the infection rate down to a low % but not eradicate it. On the other, you will have to kill 100% of all colonies probably on both islands. So you won't have any AFB at all. Hooray! -- James Kilty Article 24657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221210 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24657 In article <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Hank Mishima writes >Allen, > >Is there some published research on allergic reactions in regard to >being stung (as a prophylactic measure) as well as those close to bees >having a higher rate of allergic reactions if not stung? Try Croft L. R., Allergy to Bee Stings, Bee Books New and Old 1988 and Frankland A. W., Bee Sting Allergy, IBRA 1976 and Riches H. R. Hypersensitivity to Bee Venom IBRA 1982 and Riches H. R. Recent Problems in the Treatment of Bee Venom Allergy, Central Association 1990 I don't have the books in front of me so I cannot check out the precise information you want. -- James Kilty Article 24658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: <2i+8yPAmXfD5EwRF@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221211 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24658 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes >worker bee laying eggs. > >I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? Workers have ovaries since they are female. They are *very* underdeveloped since to develop them fully, queens are given *much* more of a more concentrated food which gets them much bigger before they change to adult. Think of it like there are two sets of cells in the egg, those that make the larva and the adult cells which wait a while and grow as if by feeding off the larva which acts as a store of food. Queens have a big enough larva to trigger the development of the ovaries. So, workers *can* lay eggs when there is no queen to suppress that activity by specific pheromones. They cannot lay very many and tend to lay them all over the cell and several in the one cell. > Does she lay >drones or workers? Normally and with most races these contain only one set of chromosomes, so they produce males. On occasion workers can lay a viable female (with two sets of chromosomes). This is rare in most races but common with A.m.capensis. >Any comments from the cognicenti? You'd better ask them. -- James Kilty Article 24659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957221213 nnrp-07:22555 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24659 In article <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr>, apipop writes >Hi everybody, >What about bumble-bees ? In our French beekeeper's forum it was lately >posted that one found a big bumble-bee in bad shape with 5 varroas on >his back!!. Has this beekeeper confirmed it was varroa absolutely and verified by other people with samples kept for examination? Bumble-bees can carry a load of parasites. -- James Kilty Article 24660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: They Live! Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:02:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8el2e9$8pi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ehtjv$sbe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 01 23:02:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.190 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24660 ? Isn't that how the rest of the bees looked earlier? The queens that I've seen don't hold THAT still. she should be walking or running. Unless of course it's ten degrees outside and you're in there poking around. Is it possible the combs in this hive were treated with something that is having an effect on the bees? I've looked at bees in the late fall and never had much question whether they were alive or not. Even if it was only 20F outside. Where are you and what's the weather like now? Get two hives going and you can have something to compare the other to. Good luck. Mike In article <8ehtjv$sbe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > FYI for anyone who read the are my bees dead message...they are > alive...crawling around out front today, etc. Queen looks dead but the > rest are moving... > > Ron E. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:33:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24661 thanks for the tip...can you give us some more details and/or source references? "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > I am rather surprised that the latest developments in varroa control do not > seem to have reached this group yet. > > Briefly: > > Vita (Europe) Ltd announced at the Stoneleigh Convention that they are > introducing Pherovar in November. This is a pheromone (delivered in a small > plastic plug which is pinned in the hive) which stops varroa entering cells > to breed. Apparently, they are also working on controlling AFB with a > bacterium which attacks it. > > I have also learnt recently that research is underway to control varroa with > pathogenic fungi; apparently other types of mites on crops grown in > glasshouses are well controlled in this way at present and there seems to be > no reason why varroa could not be similarly controlled. > > There seems to light at the end of the tunnel! Article 24662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:12:41 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957226253 16870 130.216.90.132 (2 May 2000 00:10:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 00:10:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24662 In article , James Kilty wrote: > Of course it will work. The price will be all beekeepers hives for > *several* years as you track down all colonies feral or kept and keep > tracking to be sure. In a couple of years you'll have to determine that > there are *no* honeybees anywhere on the island and when you find one, > you'll have to follow it to it's colony. There will always be some that > are difficult to find. To be sure, you'll have to keep adding years on > to the original thought. The cost to search and destroy will also be > high. Will there be compensation for the beekeepers income? It did occurr to me that re-employing beekeepers for the search and destroy operation would have some social justice, but is that what we're talking about? > Can you > guarantee that no further varroa will come in on a ship? Will beekeepers > want to start from scratch again? Will you search the imported colonies > to 100% exclude varroa? Wonderful thing about modern transport: it has turned the whole planet into a massive uncontrolled ecological experiment... > How will your kiwi fruit exporters pollinate > their crops? Add up the cost. When I last looked at the figures, $/tonne of crop, mechanical pollination was almost down to beehives cost, and produced more uniform sized and shaped fruit. -- Peter Kerr School of Music University of Auckland Article 24663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:13:28 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <390E2BB8.8A213016@kingston.net> References: <8el0om$6q3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24663 Hi Ron, If the queen is gone, you need to replace her quickly. It depends on how fast you can get a queen if you will order a package as well. Kent Article 24664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:10:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24664 Hi Vicky, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. More space for brood or replacing old brood frames? Kent Article 24665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E3187.4C9E53B@visi.net.beesarecool> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation References: <8ekdp5$gln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:38:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:38:58 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24665 Myriad reasons, different governmental and economic systems, different levels of economic support, different levels of testing and purity, different management techniques. Thom asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > One of my friends asked me a question that I have no answer for, so if > someone can give help me with it. The guy is wondering whither the honey that > we import is pure natural honey or artificial (i.e. Languiniza honey imported > from germany). If it is natural he is wondering about the price why is it > very low compared to what we have here, its more than ten times the price of > the imported one. And the high production of honey in these countries should > not lower the price by this factor. So, if any one has an explanation for > this, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Aziz > ==== > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: beerich@bellsouth.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybee streaming video Reply-To: beerich@bellsouth.net Message-ID: <390e31f0.30636492@news.bna.bellsouth.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:40:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.120.94 X-Trace: news1.atl 957231647 209.214.120.94 (Mon, 01 May 2000 21:40:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:40:47 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24666 We've just added some pretty interesting streaming video files to the Nashville Area Beekeepers Association page, courtesy of Jeff Harris of the USDA-ARS in Baton Rouge. http://personal.bellsouth.net/~beerich Jeff narrates a clip on the life cycle of the honey bee and varroa mite. Dr. Jose' Villa narrates a clip showing bees exhibiting resistant behavior to tracheal mites made by Villa and Dr. Bob Danka. All the footage is shot through a microscope and presented in RealVideo format. While you are there sign our guest book and let us know if there are any links we should add to our site - we're pretty far behind on that. Thanks -Barry Richards Cross Plains, TN Article 24667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E356D.A96CCDAD@visi.net.beesarecool> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:55:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:55:37 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24667 Peter Kerr wrote: > > > proficiency in vi > is a sign of a > mis-spent youth Peter I've never seen this and find it more amusing than it really should be. :) Thom Article 24668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E3B58.B9226BFE@visi.net.beesarecool> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones come & go References: <8efft8$j4v$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:20:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:20:51 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24668 Keith, Normal, drones will drift from hive to hive eating and waiting out the night and bad weather. Welcome to beekeeping in VA. For links to information to associations in VA sift through http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers Thom Bradley Tidewater Beekeepers Association Angela Copi wrote: > > First let me apologize if this is a stupid question, but I am just getting > started. I installed 2 5 frame nucs 8 days ago. This afternoon while > watching the activity at the two hives I noticed quit a few drones coming > and going from both of them. What are they doing? (I am in central > Virginia, Tulip Poplar is blooming and the bees seem very busy). > > Thanks, > > Keith Article 24669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390E40C0.E8B661CA@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm cells on new package Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:43:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.89.6 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 957234800 209.42.89.6 (Mon, 01 May 2000 21:33:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:33:20 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24669 Adding the extra hive body and frames are probably what the hive needed. Make sure there is larva in the hive that wanted to swarm, if there is than you don't need another queen, and removing the queen cells in my opinion was an ok thing to do. The entrance reducers can be removed whenever you think the hives are strong enough to control the in and outs of the hive. When the weather becomes hot, it is best to take measurements to help cool them down also. When there is plenty of nectar available bees we usually stop taking the sugar water. They should be starting on those second hive bodies you put on real quick. The cappings on those will be a pretty paper white.take care, Craig Article 24670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5244-390E3DF9-56@storefull-108.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRGNzxy3AcfrYsjwIXJI4cYZ+NGwAIUFTe4/9ZdFyy3poziaACfDXHOg9I= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24670 Thanks for the information! To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 1 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:21:22 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:18:15 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24671 Testing new Ordinateur Article 24672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:28:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <390E4B6E.48A551C@midwest.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <390E356D.A96CCDAD@visi.net.beesarecool> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24672 Thom Bradley wrote: > > Peter Kerr wrote: > > > > > > proficiency in vi > > is a sign of a > > mis-spent youth > > Peter I've never seen this and find it more amusing than it really > should be. > > :) Thom A characteristic of bitter truths - ah yes, and I remember my days of awking & grepping... AL Article 24673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 2 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:28:58 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:25:51 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24673 test test Got new equipment; will go online soon with DirecPC Article 24674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!news.bel.alcatel.be!not-for-mail From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:03:33 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <390EE035.D3B033A7@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bt02e2.god.bel.alcatel.be 957276213 13819 138.203.32.35 (2 May 2000 14:03:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 14:03:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24674 go to http://www.beekeeping.com/vita/pherovar.htm -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 24675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:41:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8emsvg$7s9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 15:41:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24675 In article <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you > can see what they look like. > > http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG > Larry > > wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. > I > > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear > the > > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that > bees > > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do > not > > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for > many > > reasons. > > > > I glad to read from you. > > Best wishes > > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > > asiray0a@hotmail.com > > asiray0@mail.com > > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Sure once I get the chance, I will do. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:01:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.194.211 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 15:01:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.194.211 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24676 I have one hive that has many bees, but no sign of queen activity- I tried to introduce a purchased queen in a cage several weeks ago, but upon examination yesterday, there was still no sign of eggs, larvae, or brood- they seem to have been queenless for an extended time (maybe 3-4 weeks), yet are still storing honey. There seem to be an unsual number of bees that linger at the entrance to the hive continuously. I have a nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so many bees in this hive I hate to just leave them to die out without some attempt to save it- Any help will be certainly welcome & appreciated -- repbees Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 16:42:13 GMT References: <390E2BB8.8A213016@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502124213.22707.00002154@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24677 You could try a package from a different supplier too. Gook luck! Article 24678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <24636-390F04A2-29@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRWa3tYRONrSjn0uTcocT7K+AplfgIUWxYbTAjhHCbh+oUjWIGIddpYI3Q= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24678 I haven't tried this but I would if I were in your situation. Should have a good chance of acceptance from all I have read. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:12:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8emr85$5vm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 15:12:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24679 In article <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I am rather surprised that the latest developments in varroa control do not > seem to have reached this group yet. > > Briefly: > > Vita (Europe) Ltd announced at the Stoneleigh Convention that they are > introducing Pherovar in November. This is a pheromone (delivered in a small > plastic plug which is pinned in the hive) which stops varroa entering cells > to breed. Apparently, they are also working on controlling AFB with a > bacterium which attacks it. > > I have also learnt recently that research is underway to control varroa with > pathogenic fungi; apparently other types of mites on crops grown in > glasshouses are well controlled in this way at present and there seems to be > no reason why varroa could not be similarly controlled. > > There seems to light at the end of the tunnel! Thanks Peter, This is a bit new. However, Is this new method of controlling the mite effective?. For the first mentioned method (small plastic plug), What is the idea? what is inside this plug? Are their any negative effects on human or bees? How is it compared to Apistan strips? Many questions since the subject is interesting? Could you please provide us with more info. or references that can complete the picture? God bliss you, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: LIGURIAN BEES Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 07:23:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502032309.07405.00000788@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24680 Look up the Kangaroo Island beekeeping site--tells all about the history of Ligurian bees (originally from Italy). Article 24681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 07:26:07 GMT References: <3905fad3.2079076@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502032607.07405.00000789@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24681 No--don't give it up and Greg, you need a "brainwash" with your judgemental opinions, even if well-intentioned..... Article 24682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:38:14 +0100 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8em47j$r7o$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lon-qbu-bsk-vty34.as.wcom.net X-Trace: ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com 957256755 27896 195.232.125.34 (2 May 2000 08:39:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 08:39:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24682 I want to stop the bees from becoming overcrowded and then swarming. Also I don't want to have too large a brood as I don't have so much time for checking the colony for queen cells, and extracting huge amounts of honey. I forgot to mention in my previous posting that the "mini nuke" would be above a super. Vicky wrote in message news:8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I'm curious why you feel the need to cull the box of brood(and future > bees) and then replace the brood with 'new' frames. Lots of brood is > generally a good thing! > If you feel very strongly that they simply don't have anymore room for > brood, put another deep with frames on. Or another super anyway. > The bee population isn't always going to be running so high in > production of new ones. If you think they are too big give 2 or 3 frames > to a colony that needs help. Otherwise treat such a queen as a gift. > enjoy, > Mike > > > In article <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, > "Vicky Campbell" wrote: > > My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove > some > > frames and put in new frames to make some space. > > What can I do with the old frames? > > I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board > and > > putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a > kind > > of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? > > Thanks > > Vicky > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Bees, Old Hive Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:47:39 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24683 I lost a couple of my hives over the winter. I think due to starving as there was no honey near the dead cluster of bees. My question is this, can I put a new nuc in this same hive without cleaning it of the old honey? Also one of the hive had what appeared to be larvae in some of the cells, could this be wax moth? Thanks for the info. Jesse Article 24684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dragonflies in the apiary Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 19:57:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24684 Last summer, I noticed dragonflies hovering and hunting over the hives at dusk at one site where I keep bees. They were maintaining a 20 to 30 foot altitude. The hives are in a clearing next to my relative’s home and the bees commonly fly straight up to go over the trees or the house. I spoke to a dragonfly researcher today. Dragonflies are very efficient insect hunters. They breed in wetlands, but often leave them to hunt elsewhere. Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the “darners” are attracted to swarms and masses of flying insects, much the way predator fish are attracted to schools of smaller fish. And this is why you might find them flying over your apiaries. The number of bees they take is insignificant (judging from the honey production of those hives last summer), and I welcome their presence as they consume huge numbers of mosquitoes and flies—a great beneficial for your garden and yard. I’ll point the dragonflies out to my relatives this summer and explain what they do to pest species, which will be just another good reason to keep honeybees in the yard. Article 24685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:30:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8en6sd$jsm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 18:30:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24685 I think I'm getting it now, but not entirely, but that's OK. that's my fault not yours. If only 1 hive is what we're talking about extracting HUGE amounts of honey probably won't be an issue. If you have a super duper great year you might go over 100lbs maybe even 200lbs. That's only a couple hours of hand cranking. I this part is a hassle then get someone else to spin a super and give it to them! You'll find takers I'm sure of it. Tell us how many frames in the old hive first. is it 9 or 10 in a deep box? If so, slap it on top and walk away! Keep it a 3 deep hive if you really must. If they swarm, guess what? you'll have fewer bees and less honey! they don't all leave when they swarm y'know. It just puts a big dent in the overall honey production.(That's what you're after) I think what might help is to go sit down and watch your hive for a while and rethink what it is you want to accomplish. You've handed us a rather problematic dilemna to try to answer. Honey's not a bad thing! Thanks for checking back in by the way, lots of time questions get asked and the asker vacates and we never know what went where 'n'stuff. Stop fretting and smell the nectar.... Mike In article <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, "Vicky Campbell" wrote: > Hi Kent, > I'm mainly wanting to make space, but I do have some old frames in one hive > that I want to get rid off. > I'm just not sure what to do with the old frames. I don't just want to put > them in the rubbish bin! > Thanks > Vicky > kent stienburg wrote in message > news:390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net... > > Hi Vicky, > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. More space > > for brood or replacing old brood frames? > > > > Kent > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Lines: 36 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:04:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957294262 12.72.203.33 (Tue, 02 May 2000 19:04:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:04:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24686 Remove the queenless hive and put it about 15 ft (or more) from its current location. In its place put your queen-right nuc (in full size equipment if it is not already). Go back to the old hive and shake all the bees from each frame. They will fly up and join with the nuc at the old location. You can put the frames back into the new hive. Once thing settle down, you can start another nuc by splitting. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I have one hive that has many bees, but no sign of queen activity- I > tried to introduce a purchased queen in a cage several weeks ago, but > upon examination yesterday, there was still no sign of eggs, larvae, or > brood- they seem to have been queenless for an extended time (maybe 3-4 > weeks), yet are still storing honey. There seem to be an unsual number > of bees that linger at the entrance to the hive continuously. I have a > nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc > along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive > with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so > many bees in this hive I hate to just leave them to die out without > some attempt to save it- Any help will be certainly welcome & > appreciated > -- > repbees > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:32:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 19:32:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24687 HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing is 1/4". Have anybody experinced this before? Do any body have an explanation? Thanks, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bees, Old Hive Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:25:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ena39$ntm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.140 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 19:25:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.140 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24688 > Jesse, I ran into the same problem this year... I had 2 hives that died. I simply opened up each hive and cleaned out all the dead bees. I also scraped off all the wax cappings that were scattered on the bottom board. Before installing a new package, I have been told, that you should clean out whatever you can easily get out (bees, wax cappings, debris, etc.) without damaging any of the comb. Sometimes you will find dead bees that have crawled into open cells. Sometimes you may find a little mold. I was told to "not worry about it" because the new bees will take over and clean the place up to their liking. As far as stored honey goes, leave it in the comb and install the new bees into it. This will give the new hive a healthy boost in production. Also, if the comb is in good shape, the new bees won't have to work as hard to draw out new comb for the Queen to start laying eggs in. One thing, If you have more than 1 hive body on each hive, strip out the best 10 frames (or 9 if you use 9 frame hives) and reduce the hive to 1 box. Install the new bees into this 1 box and add the second box after they have filled up the first one. You can also give the bees used frames containing honey in the second box. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:29:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8ena9b$nvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 19:29:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24689 HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. Have anybody experinced this before? Do any body have an explanation? Thanks, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:40:19 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <39099C83.11F9937A@netscapeonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.6d X-Server-Date: 2 May 2000 19:42:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24690 In article <39099C83.11F9937A@netscapeonline.co.uk>, theorganloft wrote: > Since the worker is not mated she will lay only drones. Bad news all > round! Hope you pick up a swarm soon. > > Stephen R Alliss Thanks, Steve... It turns out, after closer inspection, that there are no eggs and no laying worker in the hive... This past weekend I put a swarm in, thanks to the generosity of fellow CO beekeep Matthew Westfall. Everyone seems to be happy in their new home. :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:42:31 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <2i+8yPAmXfD5EwRF@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.6d X-Server-Date: 2 May 2000 19:44:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24691 In article <2i+8yPAmXfD5EwRF@kilty.demon.co.uk>, James Kilty wrote: > In article t>, Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes > >worker bee laying eggs. > > > >I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? > Workers have ovaries since they are female. They are *very* > underdeveloped since to develop them fully, queens are given *much* more > of a more concentrated food which gets them much bigger before they > change to adult. Think of it like there are two sets of cells in the > egg, those that make the larva and the adult cells which wait a while > and grow as if by feeding off the larva which acts as a store of food. > Queens have a big enough larva to trigger the development of the > ovaries. So, workers *can* lay eggs when there is no queen to suppress > that activity by specific pheromones. They cannot lay very many and tend > to lay them all over the cell and several in the one cell. > > Does she lay > >drones or workers? > Normally and with most races these contain only one set of chromosomes, > so they produce males. On occasion workers can lay a viable female (with > two sets of chromosomes). This is rare in most races but common with > A.m.capensis. > >Any comments from the cognicenti? > You'd better ask them. Thanks, James! This is what I was curious about... the biology of it all... as with other things honeybee related, it's fascinating. What amazing little critters. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:46:23 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.6d X-Server-Date: 2 May 2000 19:48:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24692 Greetings, all... A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using hot water to mix syrup? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen in a shipping cage. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 21:26:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502172600.05647.00001036@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24693 >Just a quick question, >How long has anyone kept a queen in a shipping cage? Alive of course 5 days, keep givin her a few drops a water evr day Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:23 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8enc3h$ipg$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-36-98.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 957297585 19248 213.44.36.98 (2 May 2000 19:59:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 19:59:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24694 Well, you are right we don't have a scientific proof of varroas living in bumble-bee colony :-((. It was just an information posted on a French speaking list. IN fact I was surprised to learn there was no evidence of varroas reproduction in other specie than Apis Mellifera . I have asked for more information through the above list, mainly from experienced bumble-bee's breeders. Will keep you informed if I get more interesting information. - apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ James Kilty a écrit dans le message : BtOBxfAlkgD5EwGY@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr>, apipop internet.fr> writes > >Hi everybody, > >What about bumble-bees ? In our French beekeeper's forum it was lately > >posted that one found a big bumble-bee in bad shape with 5 varroas on > >his back!!. > Has this beekeeper confirmed it was varroa absolutely and verified by > other people with samples kept for examination? Bumble-bees can carry a > load of parasites. > -- > James Kilty Article 24695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:57:07 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <390F4F33.9C009C58@club-internet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-61.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 957304925 19846 213.44.62.61 (2 May 2000 22:02:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 22:02:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24695 Rodney
When bees feel "the need" to build drone comb they will- often changing the cell from worker to drone- and often in areas around the edge of the main worker brood.Thet will also build drone in damaged areas of comb.
The space beneath the comb is an excellent parking place for bees when the body is filling up with incoming nectar and there is much activity higher up on the comb- don't build frames that are too close to the hive floor.
Regards
Peter Article 24696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 20:50:26 GMT References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502165026.22327.00002311@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24696 Spike wrote: <> The trick here that has worked for me is to give the package a good hard thump (or two) on the ground to jar the bees loose after you have placed the queen in the hive. Then quickly turn the box over and shake them out into the hive. A small amount will remain in the package, but with most of the rest of the bees gone, they hustle into the hive pretty quick. Article 24697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: constructing a pail feeder Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:18 -0400 Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.12 Message-ID: <390f4d67.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 2 May 2000 16:49:27 -0600, 209.192.109.12 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ultranews.duc.auburn.edu!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24697 I got a couple of 3 QT size rubber maid containers that I'd like to make into pail feeders. What would be a good size hole to use and how many holes would be good to start with? -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Article 24698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 21:05:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502170554.05647.00001033@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24698 >but... what is the danger of using >hot water to mix syrup? > not nairy a damn thing if wuz all a mine would be dead now. hain't nary a way ta git the mess ta syrup wit out usin hot water Ya'll come !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!fr.clara.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:08:10 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <390F51CA.B8B523AD@club-internet.fr> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-61.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front6.grolier.fr 957305587 1933 213.44.62.61 (2 May 2000 22:13:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 22:13:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24699 Peter,
Please may we have more info. on this development.
V.j are starting to bite my ankles!!
Peter Article 24700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:36 +0100 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lon-qbu-bsk-vty69.as.wcom.net X-Trace: ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com 957260846 15612 195.232.125.69 (2 May 2000 09:47:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 09:47:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24700 Hi Kent, I'm mainly wanting to make space, but I do have some old frames in one hive that I want to get rid off. I'm just not sure what to do with the old frames. I don't just want to put them in the rubbish bin! Thanks Vicky kent stienburg wrote in message news:390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net... > Hi Vicky, > > I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. More space > for brood or replacing old brood frames? > > Kent Article 24701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wanting Position Date: 2 May 2000 08:12:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8emgo5$qvm$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: krasi7309@chickmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24701 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:47:05 -0700 From: Krasimir Nikolov Reply-to: krasi7309@chickmail.com Hallo, I am a bee-keeper from Bulgaria.My name is Krasimir Nikolov.I am 26years old.Magister of economics. I like bees and working with them.I'm indulged in beekeeping since 1 was 7.I've been working with all kinds of beehives.I am looking of a job as a beekeeper. It someone is intevested please write me. krasi7309@chickmail.com ______________________________________________________ Please reply to the above email address if you can help this guy out Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:25:07 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24702 Peter Edwards (in response to JMitc1014) writes: Cape bees have been introduced into Germany for research purposes. Not the brightest idea in my opinion. any more info on when and with what results? any sources/references would be welcome, thanks! Article 24703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 05:27:50 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 34 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust240.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8emdkd$po4$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust240.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24703 > What do you commercial guys do with a drone-laying hive, that's quicker than > this method? We just shake them out in front of another (strong) hive and let them do what they may -- or double them up with another hive. We don't ever worry about the laying workers getting into a hive. It does not seem to do any harm. To get the bees off the frames, we hold the frame so one end is up and tap the tab on the other end sharply, but lightly on a hard object like a lid or rock. All the bees come off with one or two taps. Generally our policy with any hive that has been without a good queen for any time is to combine it with a good hive, since all the bees in the bad hive will likely be old. We do much better making a new split somewhere in the yard, or in the same combined hive later, than wasting resources trying to save the old hive. (We had talk about the problem of laying workers in queen mating nucs some years back on BEE-L if anyone is interested. It's easy to search from the link at the top of the page at the link below. I used 'laying worker' and the substring search checked. The search returns clickable links to the original posts and allows navigating forward and back through the discussions). allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:54:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8enmb6$ccq$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-98.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 957308070 12698 62.136.35.226 (2 May 2000 22:54:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2000 22:54:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24704 Seem's to me you let the queen through or possibly tuned the excluder round when you put it back on and the queen was clinging to it. Or maybe you've got a faulty excluder (one or two holes enlarged a little). But this may not be the end of your problem ! Have you brood of the same age in your brood box ? or new eggs in both ? if so get rid of one of the queens. wrote in message news:8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > is 1/4". > > Have anybody experinced this before? > Do any body have an explanation? > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:00:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <8e9ek2$6tq$1@news.smartworld.net> <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307701 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 47 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24705 In article <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com>, S. R. Jones writes >I don't think this is truly a vicious hive, rather just a little fiestier than I >prefer to deal with.. One of the things I've wondered is if there's a some sort >of test to quantitatively measure the 'mean-ness' of a hive. Perhaps some scale >where the lowest number is a completely docile, defenceless colony and the top >of the scale is AHB. As recommended by BIBBA (following Beowulf Cooper's original work) I assess 4 temper characters: (1) docility, (2) calmness, (3) non- following, (4) non-jumping. These mean (1) non-stinging (2) low movement on the comb when lifted out (3) not following you as you move away from the hive (4) not rising when you open the hive. Most people do this subjectively: awarding 10/10 for a "perfect" or near perfect behaviour and reducing in steps to show degrees of perfection. On stinging, some advocate decreasing the score by 1 for every sting not induced by the beekeeper. So 10 stings scores 0. So if you open the hive and the bees rise up in a cloud, fly at you and make a drumming sound on your hat, chase after you when you leave them and rush about madly on the comb leaving the brood uncovered and clustering only to fall off into the hive, then I'd not only score 0, 0, 0, 0, I'd requeen a.s.a.p! Looking at 34 records on a page I see that I scored 25 10's, 4 9's, 4 8's, and 1 5 for non-stinging. This means I got 5 stings (through thin household rubber gloves) from 1 hive and 3/4 I could have done away with the gloves. Scores for (non-)running are less good but I have 11 10's which means they seemed to hardly move on the comb and kept them fully covered (lowest score 1 at 5). Non-jumping ranged more widely from 2 (2 colonies) to 10, which means from a cloud (of thankfully non-stinging bees) to no obvious rising at all just getting on with their business. Again nearly half showed 10 for non-following down to 7/10. I could not assess 7 on account of being followed by bees from other colonies. If you rear your own queens (or let them do it themselves) it is vital to cull the less satisfactory queens. Temper (on at least 2 of the above criteria) is in my view number 1. Remember that stinging derives from *that* queen whereas the 3 others derive from the genes (both father and mother. So if you change the queen and the tendency to sting drops, you'll have to wait till her daughters are flying (and get old) to determine if the tendencies to rise, run about or follow you change (7 or 8 weeks). Obviously you'll have other characters you favour. The value of scoring out of 10 is that if you weight your various criteria equally, you can add up all the scores and breed from the highest scoring. -- James Kilty Article 24706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:04:08 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307702 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24706 In article <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com>, Larry W writes >Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you >can see what they look like. > >http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG Pretty. -- James Kilty Article 24707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:16:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <8ekqlh$vvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8em47j$r7o$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307703 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24707 In article <8em47j$r7o$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, Vicky Campbell writes >I want to stop the bees from becoming overcrowded and then swarming. >Also I don't want to have too large a brood as I don't have so much time for >checking the colony for queen cells, and extracting huge amounts of honey. >I forgot to mention in my previous posting that the "mini nuke" would be >above a super. Putting brood above a super would promote queen raising if the brood was unsealed. The workers treat the two sections as two colonies. You can use 2 brood cambers and add 2 or more frames of foundation to equalise above and below and then use 2 dummy boards. Reduce back to 1 brood chamber later and extract the frames or give them to a colony or nuc that needs them. -- James Kilty Article 24708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:32:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957307704 nnrp-07:8858 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24708 In article <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, repbees@my-deja.com writes >nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc >along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive >with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so You can exchange sites. No need to "introduce". See what happens to the old colony. Look carefully. There may be a queen in it. If most of the bees go to the nuc it will need to be made much larger into a normal hive. I presume the nuc is strong enough, with, say 3 frames of brood. Don't leave the old hive with few bees (and possibly a queen) to be robbed out. Let us know what you do and how it works out. -- James Kilty Article 24709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining? Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:37:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8enscn$cn2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390E2BB8.8A213016@kingston.net> <20000502124213.22707.00002154@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 03 00:37:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24709 Thanks for the info, ordered another package and queen from a different supplier... i am also not doing anything with the "slow" bees in the queenless hive until the new package comes...they are still sort of crawling around but not flying or anything...can a bee be "slow" or "sick" or are they either dead or alive? Should i combine the new ones or not bother and just use the new ones and give up on the old ones? (The old ones don't buzz, if you open the lid they move but not too active looking to me, although they do crawl and stuff, I'm still confused on whether something happened to them or they are just a little weak or something. The beekeeper I ordered the package from said that when you install them in the cold sometimes you have to spray them with sugar to amke sure they get food - i guess the idea being that in the cold they may be too inactive to get to the feeder starve and that spraying them makes it more likely they will eat?) Can a bee be damaged or are they just sort of on or off? thanks, sorry if these questions sound dumb...these forums are really helpful, ron e. In article <20000502124213.22707.00002154@ng-cg1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > You could try a package from a different supplier too. > Gook luck! > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957287302 nnrp-06:13965 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24710 In article , Rodney Isom writes >I have a hive that seems to insist on building drone comb on the bottom of >the frames in my bottom brood box. The other hive I have does it a little, >but not nearly as much. Is this normal or is it a sign that I need to do >something? Should I leave it be or scrape it off? If the space under the frames is small enough they cannot do it. I have a bottom bee space hive and when I use a single bee space depth floor I get no drone brood but with a 2 space floor depth I do get it. -- James Kilty Article 24711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supercedure Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:15:52 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp069.viagrafix.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24711 I have a colony in the process of making a supercedure cell. Is it best to let them make their own queen or order a new one and place in hive? Article 24712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood frames Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:12:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <390F8B10.CBEBA22F@kingston.net> References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <390E2AFB.A8CE1A64@kingston.net> <8em87e$f7s$1@ssauraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24712 Hi Vicky, I have had to cull brood frames mostly because they have developed into drone cells. I melted down the wax and either reused the frame or tossed it. I have always believed that one very good reason for swarming is congestion of the brood nest. I try to let her expand as large as she wants. I have only found swarm cells in the top deep. I use 2 deeps for the nest. Kent Article 24713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:25:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8eo2m7$jd6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.127 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 03 02:25:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.127 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24713 Aziz, Check to see if you have a queen below as well as the top. Find her in this case as the eggs this time are only proof of one until you actually see both first hand. I've read that in some circumstances the workers will carry eggs through the excluders to make more room for the queen below, although I have not seen this personally. I also only use excluders in my comb supers so I haven't used them alot. Keep us posted, this is an interesting situation. Mike. In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > is 1/4". > > Have anybody experinced this before? > Do any body have an explanation? > > Thanks, Aziz > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Cells Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:17:12 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp069.viagrafix.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24714 I have a colony seems to have a several drone cells on top and bottom of the frames. Is this a possible sign of swarming? Article 24715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 2000 17:16:08 GMT References: <20000501124416.24909.00000788@ng-cc1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000502131608.22705.00002098@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24715 Dave wrote: <> If a hive already has laying workers, will it draw queen cells from a frame with fertilized eggs? I thought laying-worker hives are deluded into thinking that they are queenright. Thanks for the info, John Article 24716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Message-ID: <957305094@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:26:30 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9033b97b REPLY: 240:44/0 86d6be85 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(166) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957331806 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24716 Geo, Why should a virgin get through an excluder? I thought it was the thorax, not the abdomen, that was the crucial dimension to allow passage or not. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:31:49 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 48 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust199.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ep986$ha4$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <957305095@zbee.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust199.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24717 I've been trying to understand all this lately, and learned that bees vary in size *a lot*, and it is the bees that go through excluders. Queens also vary quite a bit in weight, and in size. I wrote quite a bit about this in my online dairy at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ sometime during the past two months, so will not repeat it here. Excluding queens does not seem to be a problem -- many things work. I used 5 mesh hardware cloth for years and it is bigger than the standard excluder gap, I think. My excluders also vary a bit. What concerns me is that we take a 'one size fits all' approach. I wonder if an excluder with wider gaps would work just as well -- and offer less resistance. We often get comments that excluders simply do not work from some people, and other comments that excluders are never a problem and work just fine all the time from others (like me). Could it be that everyone is right, and that the bees vary in size from one situation to another? allen > Allen wonders about excluders and why the size doesn't change although we are > using different foundation sizes. I think the reason is that queens are reared > in natural bee designed cells and not on foundation. The worker larvae may > have through their nurture in a larger cradle grown to be bigger bees than they > would be if left to themselves, but this larger size is an acquired, not an > inherited, characteristic and modern genetic theory is that acquired > characteristics cannot be inherited. Therefore the queens will be the size > they have always been and there is no need to enlarge gaps in excluders: they > would no longer exclude. -- Diary and pictures at Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Message-ID: <957305095@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:00:28 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 903438c9 REPLY: 240:44/0 15c566e2 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(166) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957331813 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24718 Allen wonders about excluders and why the size doesn't change although we are using different foundation sizes. I think the reason is that queens are reared in natural bee designed cells and not on foundation. The worker larvae may have through their nurture in a larger cradle grown to be bigger bees than they would be if left to themselves, but this larger size is an acquired, not an inherited, characteristic and modern genetic theory is that acquired characteristics cannot be inherited. Therefore the queens will be the size they have always been and there is no need to enlarge gaps in excluders: they would no longer exclude. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: swarm cells on new package X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3910509D.A4BAF78C@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <390E40C0.E8B661CA@ckt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:15:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24719 Thanks for the response cpullman wrote: > Adding the extra hive body and frames are probably what the hive needed. > Make sure there is larva in the hive that wanted to swarm, if there is > than you don't need another queen, and removing the queen cells in my > opinion was an ok thing to do. The entrance reducers can be removed > whenever you think the hives are strong enough to control the in and > outs of the hive. When the weather becomes hot, it is best to take > measurements to help cool them down also. When there is plenty of nectar > available bees we usually stop taking the sugar water. They should be > starting on those second hive bodies you put on real quick. The cappings > on those will be a pretty paper white.take care, Craig -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 24720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:21:22 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 5cmLfOa4hJa/1fMbCcLLqFRHHpKv4nGO5is55hpC4Ts+NiURQr0nBw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2000 17:21:29 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24720 This is my 2nd year keeping bees, so don't bet the farm on this... I read the other replies re moving the hive. They seem good, but I'll relay my experience, FWIW. This happened to me about a month ago, though a little differently. My strongest hive from last year was getting more defensive, and building a few supercedure cells this spring. I had a weaker hive with a good (I think) queen. I killed the stronger queen, and put the box with the weaker colony on the stronger one, separated by newspaper. Well, they made quick work of the paper - and the weaker colony. Now I had a really queenless colony. And some spare equipment ;-) I bought another queen and introduced it. They seemed calmer after a few days, but that queen was soon gone too. I had a split I had started from another hive, so I put that box on the queenless hive, separated by screen, to keep them apart, but let them get used to each other. After 3-4 days, I opened one little corner of the screen. After 2-3 more days, I opened the other corner a little. Then I opened an end, and they were all living happily together, so I combined all the frames back to the two original boxes and they are (so far) ok. So, it worked out, but is probably way too laborious for people who do this for a job ;-) If anyone has an idea of why the newspaper trick didn't work here in step 1, I'd be interested to learn. Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Cells Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:30:19 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3910622B.A71101D3@riverace.com> References: <8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: RnxPEtoklpLXO1BvmnqeVBsO9gIw7tGkMoKcoc7Iofz0mZDAMI/jpg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2000 17:30:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24721 TJ wrote: > > I have a colony seems to have a several drone cells on top and bottom of the > frames. Is this a possible sign of swarming? Not by itself, I don't think so. But you may need to give this colony more space. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <957305094@zbee.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Lines: 40 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957378788 12.72.47.123 (Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:33:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24722 I don't have an answer for this. I can only relay my experience which I posted previously to this thread. FWIW, I think Allen is of the correct thinking on this. Even an opening that is larger than her thorax (as #5 hardware cloth is at 1/4" on average) will be an effective barrier WITHIN the hive to restrict her movement. My observation was based on dumping bees on an excluder outside the hive. Given the variability of nature, is it really conceivable that an excluder is effective because the openings are of a size that is smaller than a queens thorax? I don't think so. I think something like an 80/20 rule would apply. The effectiveness of an excluder is probably in large part due to her reluctance to try to pass through a restricted space, even though she would be able to. Some queens are more determined than others, as some of us have seen. Does anyone remember that old "Leave It To Beaver" when he got his head stuck in the stair railing? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Christopher Slade" wrote in message news:957305094@zbee.com... > Geo, > Why should a virgin get through an excluder? 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  --------------FD2CD91E75BDEE67F2315410-- Article 24724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:41:08 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: mercury.wright.edu 957386471 9809 130.108.128.35 (3 May 2000 20:41:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@wright.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 2000 20:41:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24724 when you're inspecting hives for swarming cells, what is the first thing you should do when you find some? what i did was destroy the cells. what i should have done was check for eggs elsewhere. i forgot. On 3 May 2000, JMitc1014 wrote: > Date: 03 May 2000 11:34:23 GMT > From: JMitc1014 > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Supercedure > > Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, according > to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen is > preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok > probably. > I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. One > of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top of > several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are > usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, > frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate > frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if I > had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs > indicating swarm. > Oh well. > > Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University Article 24725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving honey to super from brood Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:16:41 -0500 Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.64 Message-ID: <391096ae_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 3 May 2000 17:14:22 -0400, 208.24.176.64 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.64 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24725 I had a double hive with one super, it was about 60% full. I added a 2nd super. Then found the queen was missing and the 2nd brood box is about 50% full of honey. I have since added 2 more hives, one swarm and one full 5 frame nuc that I just put into a full size box 2 weeks ago. I also added a partially filled super to it. and started another nuc. Tomorrow I will check for the presents of a queen in the double. Question: If there is no queen I am going to join that hive with the new nuc. How can I get the bees to move the honey from the 2nd deep brood box into a super. 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Article 24727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: vhryvd@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need Help 292 Lines: 4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 06:05:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.180.42 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 957333919 142.165.180.42 (Wed, 03 May 2000 00:05:19 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:05:19 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24727 http://modchip.50megs.com/ This Is my First Website that I made, its about Modchips and such, Please Tell me If it works, e-mail Sampras21@mindsprings.net sllopmdegsksuld Article 24728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:07:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 04:07:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24728 In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > is 1/4". > > Have anybody experinced this before? > Do any body have an explanation? > > Thanks, Aziz > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. They try to get down but they could not. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colonys unity Message-ID: References: <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 20 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:32:28 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:29:17 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24729 I have heard that you can do it. I recall hearing that one colony is put on one side of the hive body and the other colony on the other side of the hive body and then place a sheet of newspaper between the colonies so as to delay their unification for awhile as they get used to one another. Watch for a queen fight, I'll bet those would be exciting to observe. I wonder if the beekeeper would have any duty to intervene? What say ye, hk1beeman? In article <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>, yosi_sarNOyoSPAM@zahav.net.il.invalid says... > Hello all > I need an advice about union of bee families. > Thank you all > Yosi Sarid > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful > Article 24730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-209-138-166-207-phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: colonys unity Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:48:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a6.cf X-Server-Date: 4 May 2000 04:50:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24730 In article , Peter Amschel wrote: > I have heard that you can do it. I recall hearing that one colony is put > on one side of the hive body and the other colony on the other side of > the hive body and then place a sheet of newspaper between the colonies so > as to delay their unification for awhile as they get used to one another. > Watch for a queen fight, I'll bet those would be exciting to observe. I > wonder if the beekeeper would have any duty to intervene? > What say ye, hk1beeman? > > > In article <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>, > yosi_sarNOyoSPAM@zahav.net.il.invalid says... > > Hello all > > I need an advice about union of bee families. > > Thank you all > > Yosi Sarid > > Speaking of Bee Unity... it's a little known fact that it was honeybees, not human laborers, that Karl Marx had in mind when he uttered his famous phrase, "Workers of the world, unite!" It is due to the mistranslation of the word "workers" from the Russian to the English that resulted in the Cold War, the Partitioning of Berlin, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and, yes, the recent Elian Gonzalez saga. Truth is stranger than fact. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:50:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8eqvjd$rkl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 04:50:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24731 In article <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > > hot water to mix syrup? > > There is some truth behind this, but also some misunderstanding. > > Using boiling water will not caramelize (burn) sugar. However, adding sugar > to a pot of boiling water on high heat and letting it sit without stirring > could conceivably burn the unstirred sugar on the bottom. You probably > stirred though. It is the natural thing to do. > > Beekeepers make candy by taking sugar well above boiling, but the trick is > not to allow one area of the mix to get hot enough to burn. Burning can be > caused either by failing to stir or by using strong direct heat carelessly. > > Carmelization is fairly obvious by the flavour and brown colour. > > allen Do you konw why does the Carmelized sugar kill bees? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Date: 3 May 2000 05:22:28 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8eor4k$ln5$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <390F4F33.9C009C58@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24732 Drone production is directly proportional to protein levels--i.e. pollen coming in. If your colony is making drones, they are in a good spot and building up-- Keep an eye on room for incoming nectar and be ready to give room. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 May 2000 11:34:23 GMT References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24733 Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, according to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen is preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok probably. I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. One of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top of several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if I had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs indicating swarm. Oh well. Article 24734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.idt.net!attmtf!att541!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:38:45 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 23 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust246.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> References: Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust246.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24734 > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > hot water to mix syrup? There is some truth behind this, but also some misunderstanding. Using boiling water will not caramelize (burn) sugar. However, adding sugar to a pot of boiling water on high heat and letting it sit without stirring could conceivably burn the unstirred sugar on the bottom. You probably stirred though. It is the natural thing to do. Beekeepers make candy by taking sugar well above boiling, but the trick is not to allow one area of the mix to get hot enough to burn. Burning can be caused either by failing to stir or by using strong direct heat carelessly. Carmelization is fairly obvious by the flavour and brown colour. allen Article 24737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957439479 nnrp-04:19541 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24737 In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com writes >HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of >Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box >eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing >is 1/4". Spacing too high. >Have anybody experinced this before? >Do any body have an explanation? Occasionally. Usually it is a damaged excluder. Sometimes it is due to faulty handling such as putting the hive body over a super and then putting it all back together, the queen having gone into the super. Very occasionally the queen may be a little too small. In your case the width is too high. Sorry I forget the exact width it should be. Someone will tell you. -- James Kilty Article 24738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:16:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957439480 nnrp-04:19541 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24738 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes >Greetings, all... > >A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my >hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using >boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down >before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using >hot water to mix syrup? I always use boiling water and have found no problems. It dissolves quicker and cools down pretty quickly in contact with sugar. I think the rule may be about boiling sugar water over a stove. I think it was something else. Did you feed late? That is a known problem that can kill bees. They expend so much energy trying to convert the sugar and overstress themselves. Feeding is more exacting than a lot of people realise. Bailey's work is the prime reference I think. See also the Johannssons' book "Some important operations in bee management" IBRA 1978. It is superb on a range of ... I have checked this reference and 2 of the methods have boiling water added and one even says keep the pan on the heat! It also says do not boil the syrup. If the syrup does scorch it may be fed in the spring, when they are rearing brood and when they can fly to void. -- James Kilty Article 24739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Young" Subject: cone bee removal method Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: boby@lakecountry.net Message-ID: <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:50:13 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-mfTXa3UWBhUq7Xk4WWLaraeaIRnlVuNVkPXAeDwVDlRVreg31Y6X8p8+vz2wN84Tv2Nr6ls0wvZqOtp!X4dFzRXeDg5rY56cSWtzXGcOHWP16T0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:50:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24739 I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a source with detailed instructions on removal of bees from walls/ceilings with the cone bee removal method. I have read reports of this method but it sounds complicated and I don't have enough information. Bob Young Lindale,TX Article 24740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 May 2000 14:46:33 GMT References: <391151E4.D5C8C247@zzclinic.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000504104633.14592.00002943@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24740 Hi Bill, Could you by chance point me in the direction of the study? I make my syrup the exact same way as I do for a simple syrup for canning. It boils 5 mins, never had any go bad and they go through it by the gallons when first packaged. Don't want to mess 'em up tho' Laura Article 24741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cone bee removal method Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:55:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <8ervh0$tq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 13:55:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24741 In article <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby>, boby@lakecountry.net wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a source with detailed > instructions on removal of bees from walls/ceilings with the cone bee > removal method. I have read reports of this method but it sounds > complicated and I don't have enough information. > Bob Young > Lindale,TX > Bob, I've never heard it called the cone method but it sounds like you are talking about the same thing my daughter and I did in 1998 when bees moved into the 8" concrete block walls of my house behind the electric meter. We've refined the procedure since then as we learned more about it and have collected other colonies. But the basic procedure is not complicated. 1. Make sure the bees only have one way in and out. I did this by mortaring all around the meter box except for a space about 2 inches long. Also went into the attic and sealed around the main wire coming up out of the wall. 2. Then I secured a one inch piece of PVC pipe to the wall and meter box with duct tape. At the exit end of the pipe was a funnel made of window screen wire. This was attached to the pipe with duct tape in a cone shape. I stripped off some of the cross pieces of wire so the end of the funnel had wires parallel to the pipe sticking out about one half inch. I used a pencil to make the end of the funnel nice and smooth to form about a quarter-inch hole. Bees could exit from the wall but could not return. 3. Outside, with its entrance at the same heighth as the wall entrance, we placed a hive box with foundation and a queen in a shipping container. Using frames with drawn comb, and one or two with brood would help but we didn't have those at the time. 4. The bees ignored our new queen and hung in a big blob under the meter box so I rigged up a way to suck them off the wall with a vacuum and blow them into the new hive. This probably wasn't necessary but I was not patient. 5. After 5 to 8 weeks they will be established in the new hive. Then you can remove the one-way exit and the bees will go back into the wall and rob all of the honey. The old queen will probably already be dead by this time. They can get all of the honey out in a day and it's easy to see when they are no longer retrieving honey. 6. Then seal up the wall entrance and move your new hive wherever you want it. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Illinois State Beekeepers' Association Summer Meeting Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:33:09 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3911C265.53C27F57@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24742 Meeting announcement: Mark your calendar now for the Illinois State Beekeepers' Association Summer Meeting. This year the Little Egypt Beekeepers' Association will host the meeting in Fairfield, IL, on Saturday, June 24th. For more information contact: Howard or Beverly Tanner at (618) 842-6016 or email at ffpro2@midwest.net Article 24743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Graham Read" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Supercedure Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:05:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.12.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 957380625 62.252.12.178 (Wed, 03 May 2000 20:03:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:03:45 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24743 I've always thought of supercedure as an overwhelmingly Autumn phenomenon, and if I see Queen Cells any other time of the year I assume swarm preparation - am I wrong to think that ? Graham JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com... > Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, according > to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen is > preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok > probably. > I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. One > of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top of > several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are > usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, > frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate > frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if I > had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs > indicating swarm. > Oh well. Article 24744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: colonys unity Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <199874d0.c65f0455@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> Lines: 8 Bytes: 262 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.105 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eDUQODkgZy1mbC4uOUonPTUGPzE4MGNtPjwueDUtbCdrYDtsdSdxbHdlYWU= Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:35:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.61 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957383855 10.0.2.61 (Wed, 03 May 2000 12:57:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:57:35 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24744 Hello all I need an advice about union of bee families. Thank you all Yosi Sarid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: colonys unity Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00a1bc3d.c7d6e5c1@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> Lines: 11 Bytes: 306 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.105 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eIithYSd2pDb0ZOThPeagIi7goyFjd7Qg4GTxYiQ0ZrW3YbRyJrM0crY3Ng= Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:40:46 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.61 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957384193 10.0.2.61 (Wed, 03 May 2000 13:03:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:03:13 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24745 Hello all I need some help with unity bee colonys. I will be more than happy to get some advices. Thank you all Yosi Sarid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: CcugiQip Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Date: 4 May 2000 16:06:48 GMT Organization: CcugiQip Lines: 322 Message-ID: <8es76o$sao$1@nmaster.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-to16-7.tin.it X-Trace: nmaster.tin.it 957456408 29016 212.216.67.134 (4 May 2000 16:06:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmaster.tin.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 2000 16:06:48 GMT X-Newsreader: CcugiQip Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24746 XOOM.it Servizi Iscritti:


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Article 24747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:02:41 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.169.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 957471027 1NNUCNF1GA9D0C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24747 That has been my experience until recently. My bees seemed to ignore me most of the time. However, I reecently went to move an old hive on someones property (an abandoned hive) and they were so vicious I could not believe it. The sound and the number trying to get into the suit were horrendous. I was a little shaken after the experience. I do agree with the last comment though. Suit up well, layers of clothing and let em whine on. On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:17:19 -0400, Michael Franklin wrote: >Maybe I just have extremely passive hives, but I've only been stung once >this season, and it was my own fault. Article 24748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:59:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8er74k$37o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 04 06:59:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24748 In article <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com>, Steve Huston wrote: > This is my 2nd year keeping bees, so don't bet the farm on this... > > I read the other replies re moving the hive. They seem good, but I'll > relay my experience, FWIW. > > This happened to me about a month ago, though a little differently. My > strongest hive from last year was getting more defensive, and building a > few supercedure cells this spring. I had a weaker hive with a good (I > think) queen. I killed the stronger queen, and put the box with the > weaker colony on the stronger one, separated by newspaper. Well, they > made quick work of the paper - and the weaker colony. Now I had a really > queenless colony. And some spare equipment ;-) \ > > I bought another queen and introduced it. They seemed calmer after a few > days, but that queen was soon gone too. > > I had a split I had started from another hive, so I put that box on the > queenless hive, separated by screen, to keep them apart, but let them > get used to each other. After 3-4 days, I opened one little corner of > the screen. After 2-3 more days, I opened the other corner a little. > Then I opened an end, and they were all living happily together, so I > combined all the frames back to the two original boxes and they are (so > far) ok. > > So, it worked out, but is probably way too laborious for people who do > this for a job ;-) > > If anyone has an idea of why the newspaper trick didn't work here in > step 1, I'd be interested to learn. > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html > Steve, Tell me about the newspaper contents (Political, Social....etc), I will tell you why it did not work. That's very important for bees. Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391151E4.D5C8C247@zzclinic.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:33:08 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water References: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p6-36.clinic.net X-Trace: 4 May 2000 05:32:29 -0400, d-p6-36.clinic.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!skynet.be!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!News.Destek.net!d-p6-36.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24749 > > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > > hot water to mix syrup? Studies of different winter feeds showed that it is best to feed sugar syrup that has been dissolved in warm water and not to boil it. Boiled water does cause some problems, but not to the extent that it will kill off a hive. Something else is at work here, not the boiled sugar syrup. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 24750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:50:59 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3911FED2.4AB2D4AC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24750 Teri Bachus wrote: > agree with what you're saying, but beg to differ with assesment of > morphometrics as "reliable"...a technician at an unnamed (for obvious > reasons) beelab reports that it is possible to bias a test (by selecting > bees to be analyzed) to yield results that can vary from 90% ahb to 90% ehb > probabilities > from the same sample...that could conceivably be in an exceptional case, but > some variation within samples seems to be common enough, especially in > hybridized populations... Sorry I missed this message until today - I agree with you completely. Reliable, trustworthy, and honest identifiers take great pains NOT to choose the smaller, larger, or differently colored bees for analysis, just as we discard any bee with missing or damaged body parts used in the identification, even at the finish of a painstaking dissection. Morphometrical analysis of any species is not easy to learn or clearcut. It relies on population statistics. This all gets to the morals of anyone doing complicated analysis by themselves - anyone can turn the knob on a gas chromatograph at the right time to skew the results, only collect corn pollen from the healthier plants, etc., etc. Analysis of mixed populations must always be done in a random fashion, to do otherwise is dishonest. I and everyone else in the field sciences have been accused of intentional sampling errors frequently through our careers. In addition the AHB is like a coyote, with many and varied genetic components which express themselves when the animal needs to adapt to a different environment. But why would we continue in a field where distrust is so prevalent ? Mainly because we can take the heat, we want to know the answers, even if the answers are upsetting to some people, and we know what is in our own hearts. You have to be curiosity-driven to stay in this field, and let the chips fall wherever. I do not take offense at your post, for I have been there myself, and remember Howell Daly's admonition that new databases would have to be built up as the AHB moved into different climates and areas. So far as I know, this has seldom been done, save for the Weslaco BeeLab and the "second edition" of USDAID from Baton Rouge, which incorporated many SW U.S. bee samples. I hope this ramble has helped someone out there - we can but try. If you want to read Daly's original paper, which so many tried to minimize or ignore, it is - - Daly and Balling, "Identification of Africanized Honeybees in the Western Hemisphere by Discriminant Analysis" in the Journal of the Kansas Entomological Society, 17 Nov., 1978 51(4), 1978, pp. 857-869. -- John ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Research Technician, Morphometricist, Mobile Sting Target Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 24751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Donna Freeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <67GN4.24693$PV.1729320@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Maybe someday? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:24:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957482646 63.36.30.65 (Thu, 04 May 2000 16:24:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:24:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24751 Hi George; I'm new at beekeeping but a friend of mine is helping me. He lost all but two of his hives last winter, the two that made it where so big they swarmed, could they have some mite resistants? "George Styer" wrote in message news:67GN4.24693$PV.1729320@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > More than likely, several colonies have taken up residence in this old hive > over the 5 year period, each eventually crashing. Unless the guy was > actually inspecting the hive and marking the queens, he would have no way of > knowing. In short, you probably didn't miss anything other than a relatively > recent swarm that had moved in. The probability of a mite resistant stock > that can survive for 5 years and pass along this characteristic consistently > to subsequent generations is, well....were you just hit by lightning? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > "d" wrote in message > news:8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net... > > Hello, > > Boy did I miss out on a opportunity of a life time. I was getting > permission > > to start a new bee yard. The gentlemen I was talking too, said boy I wish > I > > knew you had bees. I just gave a old hive of bees away. When asked about > > them, he said another bee keeper was nearly wiped out with varroa mites a > > few years back. He moved all of his hives but forgot or left this one. The > > hive has been doing great. And has done so without treatment for mites for > > about 5 years. He gave it away to someone else who immediately put a new > > queen in. Wrong. This could of been a naturally mite resistant queen. No > > treatment has been given. Maybe someone will find just the right one > > someday. > > preacher > > > > > > Article 24752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Message-ID: <957478864@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:32:38 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9054b17b REPLY: 240:44/0 19594ab8 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(168) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957482646 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24752 At a recent National Honey Show in London, one of the lectures was by a honey importer and packer. Naturally he regularly tests what people are selling him. He said the only country that has not tried to sell him adulterated honey is New Zealand. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:12:48 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39121200.CF3CBAEB@fuse.net> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24753 JMitc1014 wrote: The "cure" was to take the drone-laying hive about 200 yards away, shake all > the bees off the frames, then leave. I put a 1-week-old nuc on the hivestand > where the drone-layer was. As told on this newsgroup and elsewhere, the > drone-layers won't be able to fly back to the hive. The foraging force will, > and hopefully will become part of the new nuc's foraging force. In my > experience, the bees don't fly back to the old hivestand. They stay with their > brood boxes and try to defend them. John: When you shake all the bees off the frames into a pile on the ground, I don't think you should leave the hive by the pile, at least beyond the time it takes to shake the bees off. Take the empty hive and either return it to the original site, or store it. The reason you may need another box at the original site it that some of the bees make it back to the original site before you can get their box back to the site. Judy in Kentucky Article 24754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Cells Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:58:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8etntg$ev8$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506288 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24754 No "TJ" wrote in message news:8eo5d8$1n1$1@ionews.ionet.net... > I have a colony seems to have a several drone cells on top and bottom of the > frames. Is this a possible sign of swarming? > > Article 24755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 07:30:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8ettaf$4ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 05 07:30:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24755 I checked the excluder for any defect but I have not found any defect. Does this mean that the openings spacing 250/1000 (1/4") is not proper and most probably the cause. Thx, Aziz In article <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Firstly, what do you mean by 'excluder spacing'? The slots should be > 163/1000 inch. > > Common causes of queens getting into supers are damaged excluders and poor > handling of equipment during inspections. Correct technique is to: > take off the roof and place it upside down at the side or rear of the hive; > remove the supers and pace on the upturned roof; > remove the queen excluder, check it to make sure that the queen is not on it > and then place it in front of the hive (just in case you missed her!); > when removing brood frames, remove the first one and either prop it against > the front of the hive or place it in a nuc box - do not prop it against the > supers; > never place a brood box on the supers (the queen will go down into the > darker, lower box; > when re-assembling, shake all bees off the queen excluder, either into the > brood box or in front of the hive. > > You will then be sure that the queen stays where she should be! > wrote in message news:8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of > hybird of > > > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top > box > > > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder > spacing > > > is 1/4". > > > > > > Have anybody experinced this before? > > > Do any body have an explanation? > > > > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. > They > > try to get down but they could not. > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Argentina honey output stuck on bad weather Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:43:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 80 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24756 posted for information/discussion purposes only: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000504/12/food-argentina-honey INTERVIEW-Updated 12:32 PM ET May 4, 2000 By Robert Elliott BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Argentina's beekeepers face a probable 20 percent cut in their abundant honey production this year due to topsy-turvy weather ranging from either too much rain or too little, a food sector official said late Wednesday. Coming off a sterling 1999 season when a record 95,000 tonnes were taken from the hives and Argentina led the world in honey exports, producers are expected to chalk up only 75,000 tonnes of the sweet goo this year, said Mercedes Nimo, food network coordinator at the Agriculture Department. "Production has diminished between 20 percent and 30 percent in some areas of Santa Fe, Entre Rios, Cordoba and Buenos Aires (provinces)," said Nimo. "All have suffered either flooding or drought," she added. The dip in 2000 production is partially offset by rises in select areas such as La Pampa, where 7,500 tonnes were drawn over last year's 6,800 tonnes, and central-west Santa Fe, where the hives have nearly doubled production to 70 kilograms each. Honey producers in those parts have applied new technology, strategically placed their hives and waged a constant battle against sicknesses to spur increased production. Overall production numbers have been boosted by more off-the-books beekeepers registering their spoils and a steady rise in apiary activity initially encouraged by the 1995 international price hike, Nimo said. Argentina currently has about three million hives that house some 50,000 bees apiece. About 55 percent of the country's honey spills from the hot and humid summers in Buenos Aires province, while Santa Fe chalks up 18 percent and Entre Rios about 15 percent. Last year's world-leading exports were 93,000 tonnes worth $94 million, topping China's shipments of more than 85,000 tonnes, Nimo said. Argentina's leading honey clients are the United States and Germany, who buy 75 percent of the out-going product. This year's exports are on a pace exceeding those in 1999, but overall exports are only expected to reach 70,000 tonnes. "In January and February a lot of honey is always exported, and in fact this year we've exported more than last. We'll have to see what happens during the remainder of the year," said Nimo. Argentine honey is known for its sought-after, nearly transparent quality and subsequent dear price in world markets. ((Buenos Aires Newsroom, +5411 4318-0657 buenosaires.newsroom+reuters.com)) Article 24757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jan Visser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa destructor ,TERMINATOR !!! Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:52:39 +1000 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.74.219 Message-ID: <3912eebf@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 6 May 2000 01:54:39 +1000, 203.101.74.219 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news01!uunet!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.74.219 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24757 Varroa jacobsoni has possible 5 species. The Varroa destructor is the mite from mainland Asia, 2 members of this species are harmful to the European Honey bee. The Java mite first described in 1904 as Varroa jacobsoni is harmles to the European Honeybee it is the Malaysia-Indonesia type. It is a technological challenge to find a solution for removig Varroa destructor!! Perhaps electronicaly we might solve this problem through Static electricity, by charging only the outgoing bees and letting incoming bees unhindered back into the hive through One Way tunnels with no static charge because we do want to lose the pollen or nectar. We would train the bees to come in to the middle of the landingboard which they do naturally with nectar and pollen. They walk through the black One Way tunnel unhindered. Outgoing bees have to walk through the outside white One Way tunnels on the landingboard and will be charged with Static Electricity till their hairs stand on end!!! The bees will not notice this, but the Varroa will as it has the same Static charge as the bees and will be repelled. Remember that equal static electric charges repel each other. To make the One Way tunnels we have to fit slanted soft brushes inside on top of these tunnels. The way the hairs of the brushes run determines ingoing or outgoing traffic. The hairs of the brushes are not meant to remove the Varroa but they can be of help. Underneath these tunnels is an empty space with real thin wire or mesh connecting to the opening underneath it. The bottom of this space can be slanted towards the outside to clean itself from mites and other debris. The wire or mesh has to be spaced accordingly to the size of the mite. The tunnels can be made from Nylon or some other plastic with holes or rectangular spaces the size of one single drone. The holes are across and parallel all along the full length of the entrance perhaps in 3 separate sections. Two sections for outgoing bees on the outside white in color and One section in the middle black in color for incoming bees. Bees naturally make a static electric charge by flying and attracting the pollen towards them when collecting it from the flowers. To make this static charge a special constructed solar cell has to be made for this but that is another story! In the hope I might hear your comments. Kind regards, JAN VISSER from "The Land Down Under" Article 24758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Rearing Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 05 19:28:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24758 I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. Thanks Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39130F2E.1175B9EE@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:12:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957550342 204.186.179.43 (Fri, 05 May 2000 14:12:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:12:22 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24759 Was there much of a nectar flow? It helps to have a good flow going when you unite. Article 24760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 39 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:05:02 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:06:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24760 I too took Marla Spivak's class and am grafting tomorrow. The starter colony is a swarm box .. by putting it in a cool / dark place you get the nurse bees to cluster on your grafted queen cell cups. After they have started you put the frame into a finish colony which is loaded with bees to the point it wants to swarm .. this means the bees want to drawn out queen cells. It's really not that much work .. no real "tearing up" of anything .. you will end up with the one colony .. the finish colony having a lot of bees since you keep giving the queen empty places to lay. After you raise your queen cells .. you still have this colony ready to go make honey. The bees in the swarm box go back into the finish colony after the first day .. they only start drawing the queens cells out. Another idea is we have a person at Nebraska working on royal jelly production. He makes a single story hive boiling with bees by removing every thing except only 2 frames of pollen, a division feeder and the queen cells frame. Maybe in June, I will try this method for queen rearing as he claims he gets better acceptance by this method. Dave On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and >was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony >was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality >as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? >Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. >Thanks >Mike > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 24761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:03:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8etntk$ev8$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506292 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24761 If the colony is a good one then I would allow it to supersede. One caveat - are you sure that it is not preparing to swarm? How many cells are there? Where are they on the comb? Remember that you really need to shake most of the bees off the combs in order to find queen cells - 6 bees can hide a cell completely. "TJ" wrote in message news:8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net... > I have a colony in the process of making a supercedure cell. Is it best to > let them make their own queen or order a new one and place in hive? > > Article 24762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dragonflies in the apiary Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:06:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506296 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24762 "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com... > Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the "darners" I think that should be 'Darters'. > The number of bees they take is insignificant Unless they are queens flying to mate! Article 24763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:12:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8etntu$ev8$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506302 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24763 Biggest danger is to your wallet. Sugar dissolves perfectly well in cold water if you keep it moving - heat costs money! I now use fondant to feed, but when I used to use sugar I put 25kg of sugar in an old Hoover single tub washing machine, added water to the 9 gallon mark and switched on for 20 mins. Result is a cloudy syrup that clears within an hour. Cost is far less than heating all that water. "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-0205001346230001@pool-207-205-178-109.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > A knowledgeale local beekeeper has told me that I may have killed off my > hive late this winter when I fed them sugar water that I mixed using > boiling (or close to boiling) water. Obviously, I let the water cool down > before I fed the mixture to the bees, but... what is the danger of using > hot water to mix syrup? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:23:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506306 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24764 Firstly, what do you mean by 'excluder spacing'? The slots should be 163/1000 inch. Common causes of queens getting into supers are damaged excluders and poor handling of equipment during inspections. Correct technique is to: take off the roof and place it upside down at the side or rear of the hive; remove the supers and pace on the upturned roof; remove the queen excluder, check it to make sure that the queen is not on it and then place it in front of the hive (just in case you missed her!); when removing brood frames, remove the first one and either prop it against the front of the hive or place it in a nuc box - do not prop it against the supers; never place a brood box on the supers (the queen will go down into the darker, lower box; when re-assembling, shake all bees off the queen excluder, either into the brood box or in front of the hive. You will then be sure that the queen stays where she should be! wrote in message news:8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of hybird of > > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top box > > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder spacing > > is 1/4". > > > > Have anybody experinced this before? > > Do any body have an explanation? > > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. They > try to get down but they could not. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bees, Old Hive Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:27:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8etnu7$ev8$6@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506311 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24765 As long as you are sure that there is no disease, you need only remove as much debris and dead bees as practical - the new bees will some clean up the combs (and a swarm would do an even better job). Not a bad idea to sterilise the combs with 80% acetic acid before adding new bees - most manuals will give you the method if you are unsure. "Jesse Hunter" wrote in message news:390F14BB.AE366C88@bms.com... > I lost a couple of my hives over the winter. I think due to > starving as there was no honey near the dead cluster of bees. > My question is this, can I put a new nuc in this same hive > without cleaning it of the old honey? Also one of the hive had > what appeared to be larvae in some of the cells, could this be > wax moth? > > Thanks for the info. > > Jesse > > Article 24766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multi eggs per cell? Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:34:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8etnud$ev8$7@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ek8oc$an8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000501130218.22329.00001733@ng-md1.aol.com> <8emdkd$po4$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506317 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24766 Agree - it is really a waste of time - and a queen - to try to requeen a hive with laying workers; these are old bees and it is best to let them join other hives and then use the equipment more productively. "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8emdkd$po4$1@news.smartworld.net... > > What do you commercial guys do with a drone-laying hive, that's quicker > than > > this method? > > We just shake them out in front of another (strong) hive and let them do > what they may -- or double them up with another hive. We don't ever worry > about the laying workers getting into a hive. It does not seem to do any > harm. > > To get the bees off the frames, we hold the frame so one end is up and tap > the tab on the other end sharply, but lightly on a hard object like a lid or > rock. All the bees come off with one or two taps. > > Generally our policy with any hive that has been without a good queen for > any time is to combine it with a good hive, since all the bees in the bad > hive will likely be old. We do much better making a new split somewhere in > the yard, or in the same combined hive later, than wasting resources trying > to save the old hive. > > (We had talk about the problem of laying workers in queen mating nucs some > years back on BEE-L if anyone is interested. It's easy to search from the > link at the top of the page at the link below. I used 'laying worker' and > the substring search checked. The search returns clickable links to the > original posts and allows navigating forward and back through the > discussions). > > allen > -- > Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, > winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, > wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... > > Article 24767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:45:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8etnui$ev8$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ekuq5$sui$6@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> <390EE035.D3B033A7@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.androderm.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 957506322 15336 62.136.79.223 (5 May 2000 05:58:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 05:58:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24767 Thanks Hugo, this site gives all the info available at present. "Hugo Thone" wrote in message news:390EE035.D3B033A7@se.bel.alcatel.be... > go to > > http://www.beekeeping.com/vita/pherovar.htm > -- > Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... > IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be > F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 > B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 24768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Demaree Method Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9267-39131EE4-25@storefull-101.private.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR7Hyzw6/gDin7XBT+CYPF16ND8SwIVAJm8RJn49UevM3BVtOAv/4tG6nSZ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24768 Are there any beekeepers out there who use the Demaree method for swarm control/honey production? --------------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:07:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <957478864@zbee.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24769 I'm curious, how does one detect the presence of adulterants? Simple viscosity or similar test sure won't do that... Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. "Christopher Slade" wrote in message news:957478864@zbee.com... > At a recent National Honey Show in London, one of the lectures was by a honey > importer and packer. Naturally he regularly tests what people are selling him. > He said the only country that has not tried to sell him adulterated honey is > New Zealand. > > Chris Slade > > --- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:54:19 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3913430B.F65D3B49@club-internet.fr> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-64-101.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front6m.grolier.fr 957563962 1350 213.44.64.101 (5 May 2000 21:59:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 21:59:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR To: Steve Newport Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24770 Steve, I learnt my lesson many years ago. With much confidence and 18 months experience as a beekeeper I "attacked" a hive that hadn't been touched for so many years that there were at least 10 entrances for the bees and the frames were hidden in a mass of propolis. So, I started to demolish the hive body with a hammer( the wood was rotten- easy work!).A free colony at that stage in my career was too much to loose due to a few stuck frames. I didn't get the colony after all! Peter. Article 24771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:03:17 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <39133715.F90E0232@riverace.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> <39130F2E.1175B9EE@ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tL1XM5JP/KzuBs7SzWnPoswERqP1h5AC/gXUHVX+a3qlBePIl5GLGA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 21:03:18 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24771 Hi Russell, No... there was about none. Some early spring flowers (crocus, daffodils), but no nice big flowering trees. They're getting going now around here. -Steve Russell Sears wrote: > > Was there much of a nectar flow? It helps to have a good flow going > when you unite. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.8!cyclone1.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ebiqf$7mc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:59:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.49.98 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 957567566 141.156.49.98 (Fri, 05 May 2000 18:59:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:59:26 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24772 Would a paintball gun count as well ??? >Thanks for your input, but unfortunately, it is illegal to have unregistered >air guns in SA. In the same time, it is very very difficult to register air Wassail, Trask --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) Rogue #331 / "the amber lovin' wyvern" Meads Fermenting: Strawberry, Traditional Bulk-aging or bottled: Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry(3), Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Melon, Peach(2), Plum, Pyment, Raspberry(2),Vanilla, Sack, Braggot Article 24773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: George C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splits Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:31:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.20.92.254 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 05 23:31:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.20.92.254 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDghclark Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24773 I'm going to make a split this weekend. Is it necessary to leave the new split queenless for 24 hours before putting the new queen in? I have heard that this may increase the likelihood of acceptance. Thanks for any help.. George Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Site. Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:34:34 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24774 Greetings all, I have been away from the news groups etc for the last month using my spare time on our new site. www.beeworks.com now it's finished I thought I might join the fray again. Please drop by and visit, lots of FAQs, online ordering and a catalog of goodies, your comments and observations would be appreciated. Regards Dave... Article 24775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:10:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <8evuui$ctg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 06 02:10:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24775 I wish I could take the class, interaction is always a plus. So as I'm still absorbing the first couple chapters of her short course book, do I lock the starter colony up to prevent any flying? I'll assume so as a basement is a cool/dark place. And secondly, in the hive I choose the finishing in do I remove the queen and give the cells or just give the cells? I'm pretty excited about the concept of making my own queens. I realize this may be old hat for some. A beekeeper up here I know is going to give a run himself on quite a larger scale. It sure beats plunking down hundreds of dollars for several hundred queens each year. For me I'm hoping that I can keep the qualities of the strain of bees that a queen breeder here in Vermont makes. They are exceptional quality. And hopefully get 20-30 4frame nucs thru a winter. Thanks in advance for your input. Mike In article <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com>, hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: > I too took Marla Spivak's class and am grafting tomorrow. The starter > colony is a swarm box .. by putting it in a cool / dark place you get > the nurse bees to cluster on your grafted queen cell cups. After they > have started you put the frame into a finish colony which is loaded > with bees to the point it wants to swarm .. this means the bees want > to drawn out queen cells. It's really not that much work .. no real > "tearing up" of anything .. you will end up with the one colony .. the > finish colony having a lot of bees since you keep giving the queen > empty places to lay. After you raise your queen cells .. you still > have this colony ready to go make honey. The bees in the swarm box go > back into the finish colony after the first day .. they only start > drawing the queens cells out. > > Another idea is we have a person at Nebraska working on royal jelly > production. He makes a single story hive boiling with bees by > removing every thing except only 2 frames of pollen, a division feeder > and the queen cells frame. Maybe in June, I will try this method for > queen rearing as he claims he gets better acceptance by this method. > > Dave > > On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: > > >I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and > >was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony > >was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality > >as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? > >Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. > >Thanks > >Mike > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:15:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8evv7a$cvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <957478864@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 06 02:15:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24776 I don't know how they do it. But I've been told it's very possible but it's quite expensive on the order of 2-3 hundred bucks a sample. It involves technical laboratory testing. If someone know the chemistry of the tests please share. Mike VT In article , "Dusty Bleher" wrote: > I'm curious, how does one detect the presence of adulterants? > Simple viscosity or similar test sure won't do that... > > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > "Christopher Slade" wrote in message > news:957478864@zbee.com... > > At a recent National Honey Show in London, one of the lectures > was by a honey > > importer and packer. Naturally he regularly tests what people > are selling him. > > He said the only country that has not tried to sell him > adulterated honey is > > New Zealand. > > > > Chris Slade > > > > --- > > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3914046E.BB79D60F@zzclinic.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 07:39:26 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: LauraMLeek Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water References: <391151E4.D5C8C247@zzclinic.net> <20000504104633.14592.00002943@ng-ch1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-16.clinic.net X-Trace: 6 May 2000 06:38:45 -0400, d-p2-16.clinic.net Lines: 20 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p2-16.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24777 LauraMLeek wrote: > > Hi Bill, > Could you by chance point me in the direction of the study? I make my syrup > the exact same way as I do for a simple syrup for canning. It boils 5 mins, > never had any go bad and they go through it by the gallons when first packaged. > Don't want to mess 'em up tho' > > Laura It was a british study. If you feed at any time but fall it is fine. It is not bad for then either, but not quite as good as warm water dissolved SS. Also, they found that adding cream of tartar causes increased winter kill. So do not do that even though the Hive and Honey Bee say to do it. The problem is that most bee kills are not even seen by the beekeeper since even a 10% kill would never be seen at buildup or during the summer. So keep on doing what you are doing. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 24778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying workers, queen cells, or me? Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:58:01 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8f1mlk$2c8p$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957636085 78105 204.216.255.92 (6 May 2000 18:01:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24778 I installed a hive two weeks ago. My first! I pulled the queen cage out about 36 hours after installation. I did my first look after that day today. I have one super. I have not fed them at all since the person I bought the equipment from told me since everything is in bloom I didn't need to. He also said that I would probably need another super in about 4 weeks. Well, the single super was almost full of comb. The bees were just about to start drawing comb on the last frame on each side. But, I don't see any eggs. I don't really know what to look for, but when I held the inner frames up to the light, it appeared clear to me. It looks like most are filled with honey and a few have some darker pollen. The hive is very active and is building well. May cells are covered in a beautiful snow white cover. I did notice about 4 or five queen cells (I think). They look like pictures in my book and are in the middle of the frames, none at the bottom, so I would assume they are supersedure queen cells. If I assume for a minute that the queen didn't make it, I have a couple of questions, can workers lay cells that the hive prepares as queen cells? Will the hive look so active, and work so hard, if there is no queen? I did put another super on top. Thanks for any help, Dave Article 24779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moved hives Message-ID: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 5 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 20:41:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 957645714 216.80.168.165 (Sat, 06 May 2000 16:41:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 16:41:54 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24779 I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so mean. Article 24780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Various Questions. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 2000 20:25:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24780 1. How long should menthol stay on the hive? 2.How long after menthol is taken off can you put on supers? 3.Is a bore hole on the top brood chamber really needed? 4.Should I give terramyacin just 'because' it's there? 5.As a novice should I go for cut comb or extraction? 6.If I put a fence and bushes around the hives they will be protected against the winter wind but they will then be partially shaded in the winter, where do I compromise? 7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the summer? 8. When the farmer next door sprays his soy beans will he kill my bees? 9. Anything I can to do to protect from number 8? 10.When will my two books I ordered come in so I don't have to ask these simple questions? If it helps to answer the questions, I live in central Illinois. Tim W. Article 24781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: lady_in_red_hat@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.south-africa,soc.genealogy.french,alt.gossip.royalty Subject: Ninjas (are they bees)??? Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:12:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8f21ro$gub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000502032309.07405.00000788@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.123.203.165 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 06 21:12:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 149.123.203.165 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDlady_in_red_hat Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24781 soc.culture.south-africa:81994 soc.genealogy.french:56339 alt.gossip.royalty:32994 I found a website that spins cocoons around my brain and stings me color blind ---- about bees, silkworms, huguenot merchants, planetary configurations and royal blood lines. In addition, cosmic NINJAs!!! Help me with with this this one, p-l-e-a-s-e???!!!! Lady in Red Hat re: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/krakenwarriors/index.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 2000 13:26:00 GMT References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24782 A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: moved hives Lines: 19 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <981R4.51452$fV.3206228@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957652613 12.72.48.250 (Sat, 06 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:36:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24783 How far did you move them? 3 ft or 3 miles is the general rule. If you want to capture the ones returning to the old site, move one of the hives back. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:39148274.11359117@news.usit.net... > I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the > workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and > started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they > will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so > mean. Article 24784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moved hives Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:19:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3914a74d.32755292@news1.radix.net> References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24784 On Sat, 06 May 2000 20:41:07 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the >workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and >started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they >will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so >mean. If someone stole your house that you would not be very pleased either. This time of year the bees work until dark. If they haven't collected a full load they stay out and wait until the next morning to return. If you have moved your hives far enough then these are the bees you are seeing. Good way to reduce your treacheal mite load! When I move bees out of pumpkins I do so at midday just for that reason. Greg the beekeep Article 24785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moved hives Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 01:25:01 GMT References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506212501.19418.00001806@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24785 From: gfdavis@usit.net" >I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the >workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and >started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they >will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so >mean. Bees are creatures of habit; so much so, that they'll fly out of the hive in the new location, visit the flowers, then return to the old hive location. The only solution: move the hive far enough so the bees don't recognize the territory, at least a couple miles. Then they'll mark the new location. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers, queen cells, or me? Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 01:40:40 GMT References: <8f1mlk$2c8p$1@thoth.cts.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000506214040.19418.00001812@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24786 From: "Dave Kern" davekern@hotmail.com >Well, the single super was almost full of comb. The bees were just about to >start drawing comb on the last frame on each side. But, I don't see any >eggs. I don't really know what to look for, but when I held the inner >frames up to the light, it appeared clear to me. It looks like most are >filled with honey and a few have some darker pollen. The hive is very >active and is building well. May cells are covered in a beautiful snow >white cover. I did notice about 4 or five queen cells (I think). They look >like pictures in my book and are in the middle of the frames, none at the >bottom, so I would assume they are supersedure queen cells. My guess is that the queen was poorly mated (lots of cold days this spring in the southeast). She needs to mate with a dozen drones or more, and probably only mated with one. She apparently laid enough for them to make replacement queen cells. > >If I assume for a minute that the queen didn't make it, I have a couple of >questions, can workers lay cells that the hive prepares as queen cells? No. >Will the hive look so active, and work so hard, if there is no queen? Yes, if they have good prospects. The fact that they've drawn so much comb is a good sign. It's too bad you only have one hive though. A frame or two of brood would keep up their strength until the new queen is mated, and/or give them another chance to raise one from fresh eggs. I always recommend folks start with two hives. I moved around frames between several hives today. One had swarmed, acted like they had a queen, but no eggs yet. I gave them two frames from a strong hive. Another was a nuc that wasn't building very well. There were some eggs and some older brood, but not as much as I expected, and the bees were singing the "queenless song." So I gave them a couple frames or open brood/eggs as well, and I expect to see cells on these in a few days. The bees know the young queen is failing already. Most of the others were early nucs that were about to go to pollination, but were short a frame of the minimum 5 frames of brood, so I gave them frames of sealed brood, so they'll have the necessary bees in another week. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers, queen cells, or me? Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:46:43 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8f306f$mvb$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8f1mlk$2c8p$1@thoth.cts.com> <20000506214040.19418.00001812@ng-bg1.aol.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957678607 23531 204.216.255.92 (7 May 2000 05:50:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24787 Thanks for the reply. > My guess is that the queen was poorly mated (lots of cold days this spring > in the southeast). She needs to mate with a dozen drones or more, and probably > only mated with one. She apparently laid enough for them to make replacement > queen cells. Actually I live in San Diego, and bought the bees from an apiary up by Sacramento. Maybe the same runs true. > >If I assume for a minute that the queen didn't make it, I have a couple of > >questions, can workers lay cells that the hive prepares as queen cells? > > No. My concern was that if I had a laying worker that they would try an unsuccessfully try and make a queen. I am glad to hear that is not possible. Since it takes them about 16 days to develop a queen, at least one of them should be out by next weekend (21 days since I hived them). I am hoping the hive can live through this. > I always recommend folks start with two hives. I originally started two but lost the first hive from a dumb mistake. You can read my previous post about the great queen escape. I am planning on buying another package of bees soon. > I moved around frames between several hives today. One had swarmed, acted > like they had a queen, but no eggs yet. I gave them two frames from a strong > hive. Another was a nuc that wasn't building very well. There were some eggs > and some older brood, but not as much as I expected, and the bees were singing > the "queenless song." So I gave them a couple frames or open brood/eggs as > well, and I expect to see cells on these in a few days. The bees know the young > queen is failing already. Most of the others were early nucs that were about > to go to pollination, but were short a frame of the minimum 5 frames of brood, > so I gave them frames of sealed brood, so they'll have the necessary bees in > another week. Sounds like having a few hives is the way to go. That way you can use the others to help out a hive in need. Many things to learn. Thanks again for the help. Article 24788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39148274.11359117@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: moved hives Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:52 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 957689114 203.37.7.86 (Sun, 07 May 2000 18:45:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:45:14 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:45:14 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24788 If you moved the hives more then 1 metre (3 feet) and less than 3000 metres (2 Miles), you have caused a major disorientation amongst the hive and will probably loose many if not most of the foraging bees. Also if 6.30am is after daybreak where you live and the air temp was above 11C then you have broken most of the rules for moving bees wrote in message news:39148274.11359117@news.usit.net... > I moved some hives this morning around 6:30 a.m. and figured the > workers were still in there. They must of not oriented to new site and > started gathering around old site and were mad as heck. I assume they > will find the hives again, would of never thought they would be so > mean. Article 24789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsf1.elp.rr.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Pollinators in Peril" Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:42:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957706947 4.33.104.153 (Sun, 07 May 2000 06:42:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 06:42:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24789 Some in this newsgroup might find this online CNN article interesting, though it is woefully weak on accuracy: http://www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/05/05/pollinators.peril/ The bottom of the article mentions that "Pollinators in Peril" will air on cable TV on CNN's Earth Matters, Sunday, May 7, at 1:30 p.m. Eastern time. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Narky" bees Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 17:05:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24790 I read that word "narky" in a Scottish beesletter--at any rate, they're mean (this one hive of mine). I tried to replace the queen once (got rid of the old queen) and they wouldn't accept the new one and killed her. Now, I've put a full nuc on top of the old hive and that seems to have worked--got brood, etc., so the queen has to be ok. But, their temperment is lousy--very hard to work with, and they will chase you or anyone else who gets near the hive. Will this aggressive trait be bred out of this hive with the new brood/queen? And, while I'm asking your advice, any easy way of requeening a "narky" hive (not having to do so with a full "nuc")? Article 24791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 17:17:16 GMT References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000507131716.07426.00001908@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24791 I am sitting in my library at my computer, and my observation hive is about 10' away! I love it--it has two frames, and I replaced the glass with plexiglass and give demonstrations and talks to school age youngsters and bring the hive with me. I have several replacement sheets of "glass" so it is easy to clean and change--about every two weeks to a month between April and the end of September. The bees will overwinter without a "change" in my part of Oregon. It really is a joy to be reading and hear the hum of the bees and watch their activity (ie, bee dances). Lee Larson Article 24792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Narky" bees Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 2000 17:51:57 GMT References: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000507135157.01769.00001666@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24792 > >And, while I'm asking your advice, any easy way of requeening a "narky" hive >(not having to do so with a full "nuc")? > > Nope mean bees are hard on queens to. I always make several new hives from one mean hive. Small hives of mean bees are easier to deal with till the new brood from the gentle replacement queen is in abundance. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: CAIR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner's Question: Why are my bees building comb BETWEEN frames? Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:16:12 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.d9.6f.a3 X-Server-Date: 7 May 2000 18:20:11 GMT X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24793 I checked a 3-week inspection of my newly installed hive. The bees seem to be in good shape (like I'd know if they weren't) and they have a lot of capped brood that I take to be workers (flat top). But I noticed that in several locations on the frames, the bees have built comb that forms a bridge between the frames. Is this normal or is it a problem that I should be aware of? I am using the black plastic Pierco (sp?) frames. ----- The Quran, 16:68 - "And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought." Article 24794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Beginner's Question: Why are my bees building comb BETWEEN frames? Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7glR4.53845$WF.2937156@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:30:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957735043 12.72.51.34 (Sun, 07 May 2000 21:30:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:30:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24794 Any frames of foundation, either wood or plastic, must be 10/box pushed tightly together with all the end-bars in contact until drawn. Sounds like the Pierco was spread out in which case you will get comb on the same plane as the foundation. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "CAIR" wrote in message news:8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > I checked a 3-week inspection of my newly installed hive. The bees seem to > be in good shape (like I'd know if they weren't) and they have a lot of > capped brood that I take to be workers (flat top). But I noticed that in > several locations on the frames, the bees have built comb that forms a > bridge between the frames. Is this normal or is it a problem that I should > be aware of? I am using the black plastic Pierco (sp?) frames. > > ----- > > The Quran, 16:68 - "And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in > hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the produce > (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there > issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is > healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought." Article 24795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Explanation Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:30:43 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <957478864@zbee.com> <8evv7a$cvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24795 Thanks, Mike. If someone does know, please share the underlying science--or provide pointers to such info if you have them. Given the power and scope of today's search engines, any names or chemicals involved are useful too. I design and program embedded devices. Given an understanding of the mechanism, I *might* be able to devise an small simple tester... Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. wrote in message news:8evv7a$cvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I don't know how they do it. But I've been told it's very possible but > it's quite expensive on the order of 2-3 hundred bucks a sample. It > involves technical laboratory testing. > If someone know the chemistry of the tests please share. > Mike VT Article 24796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Narky" bees Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:06:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3915f683.16056939@news1.radix.net> References: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24796 On 07 May 2000 17:05:43 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >I read that word "narky" in a Scottish beesletter--at any rate, they're mean >(this one hive of mine). I tried to replace the queen once (got rid of the old >queen) and they wouldn't accept the new one and killed her. Now, I've put a >full nuc on top of the old hive and that seems to have worked--got brood, etc., >so the queen has to be ok. > >But, their temperment is lousy--very hard to work with, and they will chase you >or anyone else who gets near the hive. Will this aggressive trait be bred out >of this hive with the new brood/queen? It takes 8 or 9 weeks to get rid of the mean ones. Bees live 6 weeks plus another 3 weeks for the eggs to develope. they will get gentler over time, then comes fall and they become protective of their stores. You just can't win. Greg the beekeep Article 24797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Message-ID: References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> <20000507131716.07426.00001908@ng-cl1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 31 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:34:52 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:31:42 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24797 I made an observation hive with plexiglas sides during my first year of beekeeping. I hammered boards together to make a frame into which I could place a Langstroth frame, according to plans in one of my reference books. My fortune was so good at that time that the frame I picked out of my main hives had not only plenty of honey, brood and pollen on it but it had an old queen on it too! She was a bit weathered and her wings were a little tattered but she still laid up lots of eggs and it was great watching her walk around the comb, and to watch the reactions of the others to her and to watch her stick her rear end way down into the cells to lay her eggs. It turns out that the long, narrow rear end fits perfectly down into the cells. She looks funny sticking half way out of the cell while she is doing her thing. I hung the frame out on the patio. In article <20000507131716.07426.00001908@ng-cl1.aol.com>, lklarson1@aol.com says... > I am sitting in my library at my computer, and my observation hive is about 10' > away! I love it--it has two frames, and I replaced the glass with plexiglass > and give demonstrations and talks to school age youngsters and bring the hive > with me. > > I have several replacement sheets of "glass" so it is easy to clean and > change--about every two weeks to a month between April and the end of > September. The bees will overwinter without a "change" in my part of Oregon. > > It really is a joy to be reading and hear the hum of the bees and watch their > activity (ie, bee dances). > > Lee Larson > > > Article 24798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various Questions. Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 02:39:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8f59dh$r0c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.148 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 08 02:39:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.148 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24798 Quite a laundry list you have here. I'll try... In article <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com>, timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: > 1. How long should menthol stay on the hive? > follow the instructions. > 2.How long after menthol is taken off can you put on supers? > follow the instructions I believe the Menthol has no illeffect on honey since it's natural > 3.Is a bore hole on the top brood chamber really needed? > personal preference. room for arguments. I have a thing about boring holes in good equipment but I have freinds that do and no ill effects. > 4.Should I give terramyacin just 'because' it's there? > Foulbrood is always there. If you only have one hive it's risky at best not to. Use powder/sugar it doses better and more completely. Resistance has started to happen with the patty applications. > 5.As a novice should I go for cut comb or extraction? > Cut comb is easier, borrowing an extractor is also. A little more time consuming but not overly so. depends on what you want. > 6.If I put a fence and bushes around the hives they will be protected against > the winter wind but they will then be partially shaded in the winter, where do > I compromise? > Wrap them in black building 'tar'paper. Mine are partially shaded in winter until around 11 am. they winter without problems from the cold which in VT we have at worst 2-3 weeks of evening temps near -20 > 7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the > summer? > NO not here but in a hot place like texas maybe it's needed. You can tell if it's really to hot if they start hanging in clumps off the entrance. lifting the outer/inner cover with stick to increase ventilation or offsetting your hive bodies an inch to make more airflow will work. > 8. When the farmer next door sprays his soy beans will he kill my bees? > ASK HIM. You must find out what chemical he's using. If he applies it during bloom (if soybeans are targeted by bees) this would be tantamount to know. > 9. Anything I can to do to protect from number 8? > If it's toxics he's using you will probably have to move the hive miles away at least during application. permanently would be insurance. See about #7 first. that is critical. > 10.When will my two books I ordered come in so I don't have to ask these simple > questions? > One week after the bees are wrapped and ready for winter B^) > If it helps to answer the questions, I live in central Illinois. > > Tim W. Happy hunny season.. Mike in VT > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39163FB4.D99A6CF2@telusplanet.net> From: netcoman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TWO QUEEN COLONIES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:16:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.199.143 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 957755784 161.184.199.143 (Sun, 07 May 2000 21:16:24 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:16:24 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24799 I live in northern Alberta. I am thinking of trying a two queen colony this year. I am unclear on one detail. Do you combine the bees via two excluders to keep the queens apart and then pull the excluders before the flow, or do you keep the queens seperate the whole time and combine the workers just before the flow. Any experienced advice would be welcome. Article 24800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: "Robert Hamilton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tracheal Mite Control Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:58:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.107.200 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 957758315 142.165.107.200 (Sun, 07 May 2000 21:58:35 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:58:35 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24800 click on http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/hambrh/ for Tracheal Mite Control Article 24801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:06:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 957783970 24.95.75.22 (Mon, 08 May 2000 07:06:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 07:06:10 EDT Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24801 It was suggested by a local university specialist that I should encourage the creation of drone cells as a means of controlling varroa, the principle being that these mites prefer to invade the larva cells of drones -- by a factor of 8-1 according to Dadant advertising for its drone comb foundation. The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which females have laid their eggs. The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I don't know is the disadvantages. I am going about this in two ways. The university person suggested putting a thin strip of ordinary foundation in the middle of an empty frame. The motivation for this is that the bees will fill up the rest of the frame with drone cells (which seems to be happening). My source said that once the frame has significant amounts of capped drone cells to remove it, cut out a section to examine for cells for the presence of varroa, and, if found, destroy all the drone comb and reinsert the frame for another go around. I am going with this method in one hive. Dadant offers drone comb foundation and suggests that one take out frames with capped cells, freeze them to kill any mites, decap them, and return the fame. I am going with this method in two hives. Does anyone out there have experience with this method of varroa control? If so, I would appreciate any advice you would give me. Mike Geis Article 24802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news.netcologne.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.uni-paderborn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!not-for-mail From: Ahlert Schmidt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:50:17 +0200 Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Test Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3916B809.2F68CD03@mbox.botanik.uni-hannover.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pc03-7.bot.uni-hannover.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de 957790197 9914 130.75.191.5 (8 May 2000 12:49:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 12:49:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24802 Controlling varroa by drone procuction is a well known method. Please refer to the web-site http://members.aol.com/Beenet8/drohnmet.htm where you will find a good descrption. With best regards Ahlert Schmidt Article 24803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> From: "William T. Singleton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring requeening Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 05:15:06 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.159.148 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957790856 207.149.159.148 (Mon, 08 May 2000 06:00:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 06:00:56 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24803 Having gone through a middling successful requeening effort in the beeyard, I am looking for a pointer or two from more experienced hands. I am not able to get my replacement queens until mid- to late April. This means that, in spite of reversing brood bodies every weekend and supering up 2-4 supers, I have several hives that are getting in a swarmy mode and starting to make queen cells. Despite my careful efforts to inspect each hive, dequeen and cut out swarm cells for a week before I intoduced the new queen(s), I still find that they supercede her in half or more of the colonies. If I can get the swarm with the new queen (marked, of course) them I can try again, but that's not always possible. So now I am thinking that requeening a swarmy colony, i.e. usually a strong colony, in the spring is just a risky idea. Quite a paradox, since I was requeening SPECIFICALLY to help reduce swarming....younger queens and all that.. My goal is to reduce swarming (I know I can't eliminate it.) I only have 15 hives, but requeening and watching swarms still fly is frustrating, and expensive if you don't end up with a new queen in place.. The bottom line question is how can you requeen to reduce swarming when half of more of them swarm again after you requeen? I have continued reversing brood bodies weekly and supering so that a least one super was mostly empty of bees, and generally cut out swarm cells (numbering 5-10 per hive), unless the hive is queenless and eggless (already swarmed). What suggestions do you wiser beekeeps have on this? I'm stumped. Article 24804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 May 2000 13:26:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24804 From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which >females have laid their eggs. You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > >The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I >don't know is the disadvantages. Very labor intensive. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <3916ba36.520703703@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com> <8evuui$ctg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 99 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:06:31 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:08:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24805 I don't know if I should be giving anyone advice .. my first try was a total failure, the swarm box didn't draw out any cells at all. In the three day class you do the process hands on and actually raise queen cells. In the field, I wasn't so lucky. The grafting was actually the easiest part .. Problem 1 .. the finishing colony is huge .. I spend more than an hour and never did find the queen .. by then end of an hour, the ladies are getting pretty upset. Given this situation, I am wondering if 1) could I have shaken the queen into the swarm box .. maybe, but I tried to be careful 3) maybe my finishing colony had 2 queens already .. maybe all 4 hive bodies had capped brood and millions of bees 2) maybe I didn't have a full 4 lbs of bees in the swarm box, but I had quite a few .. they formed a cluster fine .. just not arround my queen cells. For this next try, I have now 2 excluders on the finishing colony so will try to eliminate some places the queen may be and also find out if I have more than 1 queen mother. To your questions. When you put the young bees in the swarm box .. you have wet sponges in the bottom. Shaking 8 frames of young bees, most of them stay but I kept closing the lid quickly. Yes it is closed and I kept in an old abandened root celler. Dave On Sat, 06 May 2000 02:10:34 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >I wish I could take the class, interaction is always a plus. >So as I'm still absorbing the first couple chapters of her short course >book, do I lock the starter colony up to prevent any flying? I'll assume >so as a basement is a cool/dark place. > >And secondly, in the hive I choose the finishing in do I remove the >queen and give the cells or just give the cells? > >I'm pretty excited about the concept of making my own queens. I realize >this may be old hat for some. A beekeeper up here I know is going to >give a run himself on quite a larger scale. It sure beats plunking down >hundreds of dollars for several hundred queens each year. For me I'm >hoping that I can keep the qualities of the strain of bees that a queen >breeder here in Vermont makes. They are exceptional quality. And >hopefully get 20-30 4frame nucs thru a winter. > >Thanks in advance for your input. >Mike > >In article <391327e7.286640906@news.usenetserver.com>, > hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: >> I too took Marla Spivak's class and am grafting tomorrow. The starter >> colony is a swarm box .. by putting it in a cool / dark place you get >> the nurse bees to cluster on your grafted queen cell cups. After they >> have started you put the frame into a finish colony which is loaded >> with bees to the point it wants to swarm .. this means the bees want >> to drawn out queen cells. It's really not that much work .. no real >> "tearing up" of anything .. you will end up with the one colony .. the >> finish colony having a lot of bees since you keep giving the queen >> empty places to lay. After you raise your queen cells .. you still >> have this colony ready to go make honey. The bees in the swarm box go >> back into the finish colony after the first day .. they only start >> drawing the queens cells out. >> >> Another idea is we have a person at Nebraska working on royal jelly >> production. He makes a single story hive boiling with bees by >> removing every thing except only 2 frames of pollen, a division feeder >> and the queen cells frame. Maybe in June, I will try this method for >> queen rearing as he claims he gets better acceptance by this method. >> >> Dave >> >> On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:28:06 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >> >> >I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and >> >was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher >colony >> >was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a >formality >> >as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen >cells? >> >Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two >hives. >> >Thanks >> >Mike >> > >> > >> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> >Before you buy. >> >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 24806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various Questions. Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 May 2000 07:41:29 GMT References: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000508034129.14509.00001608@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24806 >1. How long should menthol stay on the hive? 28 days >2.How long after menthol is taken off can you put on supers? I'd say a couple a days >3.Is a bore hole on the top brood chamber really needed? I like to cut a tunnel in the front of my inner cover , bout 2 bees wide. They'll close it if'n they dont want it open >4.Should I give terramyacin just 'because' it's there? > It's a good idea to treat at least once a year, used to they'd suggest making patties with it. but now they say just the powder. Oh btw its bout 50 cents cheaper at the feed store. Southern States fr example >5.As a novice should I go for cut comb or extraction? if ya got the money get a cheap extractor if ya got more'n 1 hive. >6.If I put a fence and bushes around the hives they will be protected against >the winter wind but they will then be partially shaded in the winter, where >do >I compromise? > sounds like a pretty good idea so far. >7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the >summer? > ovr the years i've had better luck with em in the sun. seems like the pests leaves em alone better. >8. When the farmer next door sprays his soy beans will he kill my bees? > if they are out there then yes. give him some honey and ask him to spray bout dusk, most decent folks'll be glad not ta kill ya bees >9. Anything I can to do to protect from number 8? > see above >10.When will my two books I ordered come in so I don't have to ask these >simple >questions? > keep watchin the skys, an ya mail box good luck Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Spring requeening Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:52:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957804756 12.72.51.228 (Mon, 08 May 2000 16:52:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:52:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24807 Once your swarm control comes down to cutting out sealed cells, you are fighting a losing battle. One possibility is to make "temporary" splits. Introduce your new queens to the queenless half. After a while you can destroy the old queens and re-combine the splits. Another possibility is to re-queen in the fall. With 15 hives, if you want earlier queens you can try to raise them yourself. Depending on where you are, your success will vary year to year and sometimes will be completely spoiled by unmated or poorly mated queens. You will then be hard pressed to find a supplier on short notice. There are reasons why it is difficult to get quality queens before mid-April. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "William T. Singleton" wrote in message news:3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com... > Having gone through a middling successful requeening effort in the > beeyard, I am looking for a pointer or two from more experienced hands. > I am not able to get my replacement queens until mid- to late April. > This means that, in spite of reversing brood bodies every weekend and > supering up 2-4 supers, I have several hives that are getting in a > swarmy mode and starting to make queen cells. > > Despite my careful efforts to inspect each hive, dequeen and cut out > swarm cells for a week before I intoduced the new queen(s), I still find > that they supercede her in half or more of the colonies. If I can get > the swarm with the new queen (marked, of course) them I can try again, > but that's not always possible. > > So now I am thinking that requeening a swarmy colony, i.e. usually a > strong colony, in the spring is just a risky idea. Quite a paradox, > since I was requeening SPECIFICALLY to help reduce swarming....younger > queens and all that.. > > My goal is to reduce swarming (I know I can't eliminate it.) I only > have 15 hives, but requeening and watching swarms still fly is > frustrating, and expensive if you don't end up with a new queen in > place.. The bottom line question is how can you requeen to reduce > swarming when half of more of them swarm again after you requeen? I have > continued reversing brood bodies weekly and supering so that a least one > super was mostly empty of bees, and generally cut out swarm cells > (numbering 5-10 per hive), unless the hive is queenless and eggless > (already swarmed). > > What suggestions do you wiser beekeeps have on this? I'm stumped. > Article 24808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!triton.skycache.com!206.66.160.22!news-reader.ntrnet.net!not-for-mail From: DHolliday@mailandnews.com (David Holliday) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,misc.rural,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Should I requeen my bee hive? Message-ID: <3916fdc5.16506172@news.ntrnet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:52:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.241.156.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntrnet.net X-Trace: news-reader.ntrnet.net 957808362 208.241.156.212 (Mon, 08 May 2000 13:52:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:52:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:213 misc.rural:101713 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24808 Hello everyone, I am a beginning bee keeper and I am unsure what to do with my hive. I checked it yesturday and found that there were quite a lot of drones in the hive. I would guess about half the bees were drones and the other half females. That isn't the worst of it though. I couldn't find the queen or any eggs or brood anywhere. I was under the impresion that without a queen the bees would not stay in the hive and work, which they are still doing. Should I try and requeen this hive or is it too late for this? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks David Article 24809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:47:20 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3916FDA8.30384778@riverace.com> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39106012.7FED3476@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 6qO/c11u2ObUJd/OdMOepM7iXh6qEvhKDe0vVGhRZ4o/6VNOKcP7gg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 17:47:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24809 Well, I was inspecting this hive over the weekend and found the source of the problem. There was another queen (supercedure) in the hive. Since I found and removed the original (marked) queen, I thought there was no queen. Each queen I introduced was Carniolan, marked. The one I found Saturday was Italian, unmarked, and just starting to lay eggs. Well, it was an expensive education, but I won't soon forget that lesson. -Steve Steve Huston wrote: > > This is my 2nd year keeping bees, so don't bet the farm on this... > > I read the other replies re moving the hive. They seem good, but I'll > relay my experience, FWIW. > > This happened to me about a month ago, though a little differently. My > strongest hive from last year was getting more defensive, and building a > few supercedure cells this spring. I had a weaker hive with a good (I > think) queen. I killed the stronger queen, and put the box with the > weaker colony on the stronger one, separated by newspaper. Well, they > made quick work of the paper - and the weaker colony. Now I had a really > queenless colony. And some spare equipment ;-) > > I bought another queen and introduced it. They seemed calmer after a few > days, but that queen was soon gone too. > > I had a split I had started from another hive, so I put that box on the > queenless hive, separated by screen, to keep them apart, but let them > get used to each other. After 3-4 days, I opened one little corner of > the screen. After 2-3 more days, I opened the other corner a little. > Then I opened an end, and they were all living happily together, so I > combined all the frames back to the two original boxes and they are (so > far) ok. > > So, it worked out, but is probably way too laborious for people who do > this for a job ;-) > > If anyone has an idea of why the newspaper trick didn't work here in > step 1, I'd be interested to learn. > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3917022E.2BE3C3A@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NY bees and equip 4 sale -- now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:02:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 957808946 24.92.236.147 (Mon, 08 May 2000 14:02:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:02:26 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24810 18 colonies for sale, 2-deep, overwintered, strong some with medium super already on central NY location ready for black locust/basswood! also abt. 70 medium supers w/comb abt. 20 deep b.c.'s w/comb several deep hive bodies etc. etc. NO history of brood disease _at all_ make offer; prefer to sell all together; located near Ithaca, three yards of 6 col's each. they must be moved out of present locations. (607) 347-6566, lv. message Freeville Article 24811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Overbuilt comb Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:08:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 957809325 24.95.75.22 (Mon, 08 May 2000 14:08:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:08:45 EDT Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24811 I have a hive that began with 5 frames from a Nuc to which I added five frames with foundation. Unfortunately, the comb on one of the frames has been built way into the area where the new foundation is. For the most part, it seems to have honey in it. Should I just shave off the excess? Mike Geis Article 24812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Spring requeening Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:40:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957811242 12.72.50.33 (Mon, 08 May 2000 18:40:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:40:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24812 After reading this, I realize that I neglected the obvious. If you have queen cells, make sure they go with the queenless half of the split. Let them work according to their biology and finish the queen rearing and you will likely end up with some very good early queens. This way you can skip ordering the queens entirely. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "George Styer" wrote in message news:ohCR4.54672$WF.3018548@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Once your swarm control comes down to cutting out sealed cells, you are > fighting a losing battle. One possibility is to make "temporary" splits. > Introduce your new queens to the queenless half. After a while you can > destroy the old queens and re-combine the splits. Article 24813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!laurel.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeder for top bar hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:51:30 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: laurel.tc.umn.edu 957811455 16010 134.84.160.46 (8 May 2000 18:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@laurel.tc.umn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24813 Greetings, Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas appreciated. DK -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 Article 24814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39170B8E.1BB9DB06@bigfoot.com> From: "William T. Singleton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring requeening References: <3916AFCA.DFB14C64@bigfoot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:46:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.117.229 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957814344 206.129.117.229 (Mon, 08 May 2000 12:32:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:32:24 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24814 Thanks George. I think you are saying what I had come to think--that it was essentially too late by the time I got the (Russian) queens. The requeening was successful on the "smaller" hives, i.e. those that were less than 2 supers high in April. We had a warmer and dryer than usual spring here in western Washington (20 miles NE of Seattle) so I guess I just picked a "bad" year to try this, since the bees had such a head start. I had hoped that by dequeening and then cutting out cells for a round or two (if they appeared), that I could eliminate the supercedure when I requeened, but I guess not... They seem to have just waited for the new queen to start again with new eggs in new swarm cells. Sheesh! Maybe I'll get the hang of this in another 25 years or so... Do I have to requeen in fall, then, in order to be able to minimize swarming with regards to ensuring a "young" queen? Or is general experience so variable that having a < 9 month old queen is not so critical? Tom S Monroe, WA Article 24815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:45:45 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-157.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 957815155 98857 207.229.151.157 (8 May 2000 19:45:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 19:45:55 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24815 David - Cut a hole the same diameter as a mason jar lid in your outer cover on the hive, right in the middle. Fill your jar with feed and invert and place into the hole. Make sure there are holes in the lid! Works great and you can see the feed level in the jar to monitor. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL U.S.A. www.beesource.com > Greetings, > Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a > package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie > feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas > appreciated. Article 24816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:53:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957819196 204.186.180.197 (Mon, 08 May 2000 16:53:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:53:16 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24816 Along the same line, stop at your local bakery or donut shop and pick up a 2 gallon frosting pail, they will usually give them to you. Drill some holes in them and you have a large capacity hive top feeder. Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Barry Birkey wrote in message news:B53C8398.3A23%barry@birkey.com... > David - > > Cut a hole the same diameter as a mason jar lid in your outer cover on the > hive, right in the middle. Fill your jar with feed and invert and place into > the hole. Make sure there are holes in the lid! Works great and you can see > the feed level in the jar to monitor. > > -Barry > > -- > Barry Birkey > West Chicago, IL U.S.A. > www.beesource.com > > > > Greetings, > > Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a > > package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie > > feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas > > appreciated. > Article 24817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:49:30 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957818844 8551 130.216.90.132 (8 May 2000 20:47:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 20:47:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24817 In article <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com > > >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which > >females have laid their eggs. > > You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > One sincerely hopes that all varroa are well & truly dead before feeding them to the bream.... -- Peter Kerr School of Music apiculurist University of Auckland angler Article 24818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What color are they Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:09:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957820184 63.36.30.175 (Mon, 08 May 2000 14:09:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:09:44 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24818 Hi I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? What color are your Russian bees? Thanks Donna Article 24819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:58:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3917384e.1505768@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24819 On Mon, 08 May 2000 21:09:44 GMT, "doona" wrote: >Hi >I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his >Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are >Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? >What color are your Russian bees? >Thanks >Donna > Shouldn't they be red? Greg the beekeep Article 24820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:29:07 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8f7kiu$r98$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957830558 27944 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:02:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:02:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24820 Greetings graham generally when queen cells appear in spring & summer we assume it is swarm preparation. Also, now that the Varroa mite has arrived in NZ we are planning to produce all our own queens .. or rather get the bees to do it for us. Rather than import queens onto our property and increase the risk of Varroa importation to the hives. Carman Graham Read wrote in message news:lK_P4.8703$Px3.164269@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... > I've always thought of supercedure as an overwhelmingly Autumn phenomenon, > and if I see Queen Cells any other time of the year I assume swarm > preparation - am I wrong to think that ? > > Graham > > > JMitc1014 wrote in message > news:20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com... > > Supercedure queens are reputed to be very well raised by the bees, > according > > to the books. Queen breeders might tell you a professionally mated queen > is > > preferable because the drone source is better controlled, but you'd be ok > > probably. > > I found 2 of my hives superceding this spring. I decided to leave them. > One > > of them swarmed. It had built the queen cells in the center and at the top > of > > several frames I pulled, so my diagnosis was supercedure. (Swarm cells are > > usually built along the bottoms of frames.) I did not do a detailed, > > frame-by-frame inspection though as I figured I didn't want to manipulate > > frames with fragile queen cells that I wanted to raise on them. Perhaps if > I > > had done the more detailed inspection I would have discovered other signs > > indicating swarm. > > Oh well. > > > > Article 24821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:34:32 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8f7kt1$r9g$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957830881 27952 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:08:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:08:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24821 We also have a queenless hive Bees generally only live for 6 weeks and so it is interesting that the hive is even still populated and I am wondering if the neighboring beehive has colonised the queenless hive, for extra storage. We are going to unite the queenless hive with the neighboring beehive to create a single colony. carman wrote in message news:8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I have one hive that has many bees, but no sign of queen activity- I > tried to introduce a purchased queen in a cage several weeks ago, but > upon examination yesterday, there was still no sign of eggs, larvae, or > brood- they seem to have been queenless for an extended time (maybe 3-4 > weeks), yet are still storing honey. There seem to be an unsual number > of bees that linger at the entrance to the hive continuously. I have a > nuc with an active queen- can I take a frame with brood from the nuc > along with the queen from it and introduce them to the queenless hive > with any chance of them excepting her at this late date? There are so > many bees in this hive I hate to just leave them to die out without > some attempt to save it- Any help will be certainly welcome & > appreciated > -- > repbees > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:35:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957828903 12.72.48.18 (Mon, 08 May 2000 23:35:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:35:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24822 Genetics is not my strong suit but isn't it true that there will be a lot of variation in early year 2000 Russian queens? Aren't they essentially hybrids since they have not (naturally) mated with Russian drones? For example: let's say I am a breeder of naturally mated Italians and I have taken great efforts to saturate the area with Italian drones. I decide to try my hand at Russians and buy a breeder queen. I graft from her and put the sealed cells in mating nucs. At this point there are essentially zero Russian drones in the area so she mates with the Italians. The result is a hybrid. But demand being what it is, I am happy to sell them as "Russian". Hopefully I will have sold you a good hybrid and having no experience with them you will be happy and will come back to me next year when I can sell you a true Russian. Any geneticist want to weigh in? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "doona" wrote in message news:s2GR4.39057$x4.1286570@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hi > I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his > Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are > Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? > What color are your Russian bees? > Thanks > Donna > > Article 24823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> From: "William T. Singleton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Multiple queens in swarms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:54:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.117.184 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957832832 206.129.117.184 (Mon, 08 May 2000 17:40:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:40:32 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24823 How common an experience is it out there to find multiple queens in a swarm? I have had several swarms this season in which I found multiple queens; once four queens, twice three queens, and several times (almost normally) two queens. In one case, I watched the swarm from issue to gathering, and that swarm had two queens in it, so it is not from the common landing of two separate swarms, at least in that case. These swarms are somewhat large, but not uncommonly so. I am just wondering how normal this is, since I didn't have as good an "eye" for spotting queens before this year. Since I've had several days of having to handle 3 to 6 swarms per day I've needed to dequeen some of these swarms before combining them. I hadn't even thought before of looking for multiple queens until I happened to keep finding them as I scanned the swarm during handling/hiving. Anyone have an idea what's going on here?. TIA for any ideas, Tom S. Monroe, WA Article 24824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 56 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:56:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.52.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957830171 12.72.52.81 (Mon, 08 May 2000 23:56:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:56:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24824 Jeez, I have to quit posting when I should be working. I left out a critical generation. In my example the breeder I bought would have been a hybrid. Isn't this what the USDA essentially did, release hybrid breeder stock? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "George Styer" wrote in message news:HaIR4.55407$fV.3422405@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Genetics is not my strong suit but isn't it true that there will be a lot of > variation in early year 2000 Russian queens? Aren't they essentially hybrids > since they have not (naturally) mated with Russian drones? > > For example: let's say I am a breeder of naturally mated Italians and I have > taken great efforts to saturate the area with Italian drones. I decide to > try my hand at Russians and buy a breeder queen. I graft from her and put > the sealed cells in mating nucs. At this point there are essentially zero > Russian drones in the area so she mates with the Italians. The result is a > hybrid. But demand being what it is, I am happy to sell them as "Russian". > Hopefully I will have sold you a good hybrid and having no experience with > them you will be happy and will come back to me next year when I can sell > you a true Russian. > > Any geneticist want to weigh in? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "doona" wrote in message > news:s2GR4.39057$x4.1286570@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Hi > > I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his > > Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are > > Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? > > What color are your Russian bees? > > Thanks > > Donna > > > > > > Article 24825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:49:57 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8f7lq0$rio$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957831808 28248 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:23:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:23:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24825 Greetings John Thanks for sharing the pictures of your observatories. We have been thinking of building something like that for quite a while as we have seen observation hives in various locations around NZ... one of which is a natural comb observation hive. We weren't sure how to go about building one and the most suitable design .... your designs are fantastic!! especially the arboretum .. good inspiration Your website is pretty superb as well many thanks carman NZ John Caldeira wrote in message news:gekpgscn8giuidbgfpnvuuu39j07kl3n69@4ax.com... > Simon de Vet wrote: > >At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > >beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > >ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > >wall. > >Anyone else seen hives like this? > > > >Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Yes, and observation hives are relatively easy to build. > > Pictures of several observation hives that I designed and built are on > my web site (below), along with some design tips. > > -John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Message-ID: <91qehsg1htmek2i34jmdlimpfebkd3dvff@4ax.com> References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 01:27:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957835645 4.33.104.153 (Mon, 08 May 2000 18:27:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:27:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24826 David Kelley wrote: >Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a >package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. A pail feeder can be placed INSIDE the hive, on the far end from the entrance, on top of a few sticks. Just don't let it interfere with their comb building by leaving it in too long. Pail feeders have much more syrup capacity than a baggie, and you'll probably want that with a package of bees, though a baggie will work too. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping contacts Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:06:43 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8f7mpe$rrp$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 957832814 28537 203.96.192.189 (9 May 2000 00:40:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 00:40:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24827 Peter Kerr wrote in message news:p.kerr-2804001625540001@news.auckland.ac.nz... > In article <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz>, "Carman" wrote: > > Latest update the Beekeepers Assoc meets with Govt officials on Monday and > > last I heard the NBA was going to recommend destruction. > > I received a phone call yesterday from one who has been inspecting hives > > within the exclusion zone, during the course of discussions it was > > mentioned that most Northland beekeepers are against the mass destruction. > > > > What does "destruction" mean in this context? > Just bees and brood comb, and fumigation of hives and furniture? > Or burning the lot as for AFB? I guess we'll know at the end of June... apparently the date when the verdict will be passed snip > Idle speculation may be futile, but there were murmurings a few years >back about bringing in some new genetic material. Even threats that if >MAF > wouldn't allow it thru its quarantined station at Mt Albert, someone might > smuggle a fertilised queen. Well, they did it with the rabbit virus... Hey !!! who says my speculation is idle? ..... might be i'm actively speculating (hehe) Actually I heard a rumour ... someone told me that there is a beekeeper in Auckland who always bragged about his genetically superior bees and how far ahead he is of the rest of the land ... word has it there was suspicion that he was importing queens .. have you heard that rumour? any truth you suppose? carman - Waikato > -- > Peter Kerr proficiency in vi > School of Music is a sign of a > University of Auckland mis-spent youth Article 24828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp1.savvis.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.premier1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39175681.16E689AB@bigfoot.com> From: Tom Singleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:06:25 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.117.184 X-Trace: news.premier1.net 957833529 206.129.117.184 (Mon, 08 May 2000 17:52:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:52:09 PDT Organization: Premier1 Internet Services, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24828 Hi Doona, I understand what George says, however, the 15 queens that recently I got from Taber/Parisian (Honeybee Genetics, Vacaville, CA, USA) were uniformly very dark. In fact I happened to get the first shipment (accidently) unmarked and had introduced them in the first six colonies before I realized that inside those cages they were unmarked. Believe me, I'll check closer next time... Nonetheless, on getting my next shipment and checking I discovered that they were so much darker on the abdomen that I felt relatively certain in being able to tell who was who when I went into those first hives looking to determine if my replacement queen was there. But I am sure, as George points out, that there is variation. My personal experience of just these 15 queens received in two shipments from a single breeder was that they were uniformly distinctively dark (as compared to my Yugos). Tom S. Monroe, WA doona wrote: > Hi > I got my Russian Queen, and she is very dark in color. A friend got his > Russian Queen and it was very yellow. What color should they bee? Are > Russian bees dark or light in color? Does anyone out there have Russian? > What color are your Russian bees? > Thanks > Donna Article 24829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> <0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net> Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Lines: 55 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957843000 12.72.49.172 (Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:30:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24829 I'm having a hard time visualizing how the bees will get to the feeder through the top bars. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Royal W. Draper" wrote in message news:0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net... > Along the same line, stop at your local bakery or donut shop and pick up a 2 > gallon frosting pail, they will usually give them to you. Drill some holes > in them and you have a large capacity hive top feeder. > > Royal W. Draper > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > 800-233-4273 > draperb@ptd.net > www.draperbee.com > > Barry Birkey wrote in message > news:B53C8398.3A23%barry@birkey.com... > > David - > > > > Cut a hole the same diameter as a mason jar lid in your outer cover on the > > hive, right in the middle. Fill your jar with feed and invert and place > into > > the hole. Make sure there are holes in the lid! Works great and you can > see > > the feed level in the jar to monitor. > > > > -Barry > > > > -- > > Barry Birkey > > West Chicago, IL U.S.A. > > www.beesource.com > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Anyone have ideas for a feeder for a top bar hive? I'll be hiving a > > > package in a new top bar hive and hope to feed them at the onset. Baggie > > > feeder on the bottom of the hive body? Other ways? Any ideas > > > appreciated. > > > > Article 24830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I requeen my bee hive? Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <20039-391785C3-18@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3916fdc5.16506172@news.ntrnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRyi3YNMxn3s3TOKpm/65BF+MDE6gIUWVa5POkCKXX7J7J8TQc2r1zwdBw= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24830 Check around with other local beekeepers to see if you can get a nuc to combine with. This may be your best option if you do not have any other hives. It would not cost that much more and you would be far ahead of what you would get with just a new queen. -------------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Roel ten Klei" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ns reisplanner Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:19:20 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline - The Internet Communication Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8f8024$553$1@nereid.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp213-165.worldonline.nl X-Trace: nereid.worldonline.nl 957842308 5283 195.241.213.165 (9 May 2000 03:18:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 03:18:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24831 heeft iemand enig idee waar de nieuwste ns reisplanner te downloaden is? Article 24832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:51:39 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <39170CB2.4336A26@soils.umn.edu> <0PFR4.200$Cc.8905@nnrp1.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-150-164.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 957844309 46704 207.229.150.164 (9 May 2000 03:51:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 03:51:49 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24832 > I'm having a hard time visualizing how the bees will get to the feeder > through the top bars. George - Now that you mention it, so am I. I forget that most TBH's leave no space between the top bars. I suppose one could simply cut a notch out of two opposing top bars to allow space for bees to come up and access the feeder jar. I have a few migratory tops with such holes cut into them and they work great over conventional top bars. Regards, Barry Article 24833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capturing wild bees Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:20:33 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957846240 1875 204.216.255.92 (9 May 2000 04:24:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24833 I have one hive and want to start another. A friend who lives about 40 miles away has a wild colony on his property that he wants to get rid of. I have agreed to go and capture the colony and put it in a hive if I can leave the bees on his property (a different location). I don't want to bring it home until I am sure it doesn't have any diseases. I have a couple of questions. Is there a way to sanitize my equipment so if the wild bees have any diseases I don't bring them home? What is the easiest way to capture the bees? They are in a storage cabinet that is easily accessible. How should I get the bees out? What should I do with their current comb? If I move the hive a few hundred feet, how many bees should I expect to lose since I am breaking the 3 feet / 3 mile rule? Thursday is the big day. I plan to go over in the early evening. Is this a good time? Thanks for any help. Article 24834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 05:41:22 GMT References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509014122.05255.00001452@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24834 >How common an experience is it out there to find multiple queens in a >swarm? Pretty common. As you noted, we don't usually look. Most prime swarms have a mated queen and one or more virgins. Sometimes swarms merge and you have more mated queens. Once a friend and I dropped a huge swarm on a sheet in front of hive and we were snatching queens as they ran into the hive. We had three mated queens and 18 virgins. Afterswarms often have just one virgin queen. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dragonflies in the apiary Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:15:15 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8f8q4p$b8l$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> <8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds72.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 957869017 11541 62.188.6.178 (9 May 2000 10:43:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 10:43:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24835 Darners is right - for the long-bodied type which look like big long needles. These are also known as Hawkers because of the behaviour described in the original post (Odonata, Aeshnidae, Aeshna the best known genus). Darters are the shorter flatter type of dragonfly which tend to hunt by darting out from a sitting lookout point (Odonata, Libellulidae, Libellula the best known genus with its flat bright coloured body). Names vary with locality. Martin. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "JMitc1014" wrote in message > news:20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com... > > Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the "darners" > > I think that should be 'Darters'. > > > The number of bees they take is insignificant > > Unless they are queens flying to mate! > > Article 24836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:17:30 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8f8q4q$b8l$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds72.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 957869018 11541 62.188.6.178 (9 May 2000 10:43:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 10:43:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24836 I'm told they are OK fried as an hors d'oevre. Look on the Varroa as an added condiment! Martin. Dave Green wrote in message news:20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com... > From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com > > > >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which > >females have laid their eggs. > > You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > > > > >The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I > >don't know is the disadvantages. > > Very labor intensive. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cone bee removal method Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:29:26 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8f8q4s$b8l$3@lure.pipex.net> References: <01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds72.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 957869020 11541 62.188.6.178 (9 May 2000 10:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2000 10:43:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24837 I use a vacuum cleaner. It is attached to the top lid of a big double plastic tub in which the bees collect. Vac takes air out of top tub A, which gets its air from tub B via a mesh screen between base of A and lid of B which are screwed together (plywood circles each side, like a sandwich). To control suction, cut a couple of U shaped cuts in side of tub A so that if pressure is enough to damage bees these tongues of plastic bend in and bleed air into the system. It's easier to construct if you use a hand held vac so it's portable, attach the vac to lid of top tub A, Use a smaller tub for A so there's space off-centre for the bees-inwards pipe to go through the lid at one side. that way you can swap tub B for a fresh one anytime and keep working. Use lids pierced with breather holes. Sounds complicated but it isn't, and a whole lot lighter than wooden or metal versions. The test is that my friends are always asking to borrow it to get swarms out of difficult places. Also great for picking up stragglers so you get a swarm completely in just one visit. I dump the bee tub upside down on crown board of a hive and they move down in their own time. Easy way to unite small swarms. Martin. Bob Young wrote in message news:01bfb5c7$724977c0$5913aad0@boby... > I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a source with detailed > instructions on removal of bees from walls/ceilings with the cone bee > removal method. I have read reports of this method but it sounds > complicated and I don't have enough information. > Bob Young > Lindale,TX Article 24838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I requeen my bee hive? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 16:53:28 GMT References: <20039-391785C3-18@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509125328.24312.00001951@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24838 Look closely at the drone brood. If the drones are in worker sized cells you have a problem. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:02:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24839 my hive swarm 2 weeks ago, i thought i had got all the queen cells, guess i didnt. due to a new job, i have not been out to my hive in these 2 weeks. i am still new to this beekeeping thing. should i order a new queen and try to look for the emerge queen and kill her? ( i am worried i may not find her, still have trouble reconnizing the queen.) the bees are collecting in front of the hive again, I have one super on. should i keep looking for swarm cells? Article 24840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I design and host web sites for insect traders Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:30:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.244.12.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 957864630 216.244.12.77 (Tue, 09 May 2000 02:30:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:30:30 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24840 If you have insect/arachnid specimens to sell or trade and would like to get an inexpensive web site for your enterprise, this message will be of interest to you. 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Thank you Article 24841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 11:17:10 GMT References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509071710.05267.00001468@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24841 From: shelley corbin svcorbin@usol.com >my hive swarm 2 weeks ago, i thought i had got all the queen cells, >guess i didnt. due to a new job, i have not been out to my hive in these >2 weeks. i am still new to this beekeeping thing. should i order a new >queen and try to look for the emerge queen and kill her? ( i am worried >i may not find her, still have trouble reconnizing the queen.) >the bees are collecting in front of the hive again, I have one super on. >should i keep looking for swarm cells? No! Who told you to cut out swarm cells? Find them and jack them up good! That is a thoroughly discredited means of swarm control. What you described is just exactly what winds up happening in far too many cases. For those of you who still have this season ahead, here's the message loud and clear: CUTTING OUT QUEEN CELLS IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY! All you *dabblers* and *putterers,* QUIT telling the newbies to do this! Once you find swarm cells, your other methods of swarm control have failed; their fate is sealed, and you need to admit it and go with the flow. They are determined to reproduce, so HELP THEM REPRODUCE! It's time to split the bees. Cutting out swarm cells is time consuming, keeps the bees demoralized, and, in the end will usually fail. So first things first: Shelley, go to the bee list archives, or the s.a.beekeeping archives, (http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm) and run a search for "swarm control." Basically, you keep young queens and give them lots of room to keep laying, and there are lots of ways to accomplish that. Two year old queens are programmed to swarm, and it takes A LOT more work to keep them from it. It can be done, usually, but not after you have found cells. Now to the problem at hand, Shelley: You probably have a queen, and she'll probably be fine. The key thing is: will she get mated? If the weather is too poor for mating flights, or a dragonfly gets her as she flies (she's a choise morsel for them), then you have basically lost your hive. If you try to introduce a queen, and the bees already have a virgin, they won't accept the queen you give, so you've wasted the cost of a queen. By the time you KNOW the queen they raised is not going to make it, the bees are mostly old bees (mean as the dickens a lot of times) and they will kill an introduced queen. You will not have this happen in the majority of cases, but it does happen. The solution, no matter what the case, is adding brood, which is why experienced beekeepers always recommend that new ones start with two hives. Take a frame or two of brood each week to give the hive that you don't know the queen status. Make sure there are at least a few eggs. This will accomplish three things: 1. It will test whether you have a queen in the process (if they immediately draw queen cells, you don't). 2. It will give them a chance to raise a queen that they WILL accept, and 3. It will help keep their strength up and keep some young bees coming on, so the population is balanced and they won't be so mean. Now it's harder introduce frames of brood, if you have only one hive. Perhaps you can talk another beekeeper out of a couple frames of brood. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Center of the Swarm Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 11:29:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24842 A brief slide show of an easy capture of an incoming swarm yesterday. http://www.pollinator.com/swarm/swarm1.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39184B56.E9041F7D@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive References: <8emqkk$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8f7kt1$r9g$1@news.wave.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:30:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957893413 204.186.179.69 (Tue, 09 May 2000 13:30:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:30:13 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24843 I doubt if the neighboring colony is using the hive for storage. They would steal whatever is available and carry it to their own hive. Make sure the hive is queenless (no brood or eggs). If it were mine, I would give requeening a shot. As long as the hive doesn't have any laying workers you have a decent shot at saving it. Just don't give them any brood when you introduce the new queen as I did earlier this year. I'm pretty sure they wasted my nice new queen because they are raising new ones off of the brood frames that I gave them. Beekeeping is so humbling! Article 24844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 19:14:34 GMT References: <39175681.16E689AB@bigfoot.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509151434.14581.00004284@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24844 George is right about the mating. The first true Russian queens that will be available this summer will be artificially inseminated with Russian drone semen. Whether any of the much-vaunted benefits of the Russians will appear in these hybrids is a crap-shoot. Article 24845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:31:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 09 19:31:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24845 In article <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com>, "Dave Kern" wrote: > I have one hive and want to start another. A friend who lives about 40 > miles away has a wild colony on his property that he wants to get rid of. I > have agreed to go and capture the colony and put it in a hive if I can leave > the bees on his property (a different location). I don't want to bring it > home until I am sure it doesn't have any diseases. I have a couple of > questions. > > Is there a way to sanitize my equipment so if the wild bees have any > diseases I don't bring them home? > > What is the easiest way to capture the bees? They are in a storage cabinet > that is easily accessible. How should I get the bees out? What should I do > with their current comb? > > If I move the hive a few hundred feet, how many bees should I expect to lose > since I am breaking the 3 feet / 3 mile rule? > > Thursday is the big day. I plan to go over in the early evening. Is this a > good time? > > Thanks for any help. > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of them if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off from the new location without doing orientation flights and will return to the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I think a few hundred feet is too close. Of course the best way to move them is to find their queen and place her in the box where you want them. So far we have not been able to find a queen so we just brush or vacuum the whole blob and put them in a hive box, or buckets with screen tops. It's easy to tell which bucket the queen is in because bees will congregate on the outside of the screen. I made some wire cages that take up the space of two frames to hold comb that has plenty of brood. If there are not many bees we may also try to save some of the honey and pollen comb to help them get started again. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:18:12 -0400 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 21 Message-ID: <39188EA4.485F15E4@lambton.on.ca> References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24846 I did a split last weekend. I *think* it was successfuly, but I will find out in the upcoming weeks. Can you explain what you mean by 'Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older'. thanks, BeeCrofter wrote: > A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. > Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't > instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. > Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com -- Mark Veltman Article 24847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Traps Work Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 13:30:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509093050.21268.00002158@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24847 This is just a fast post for those who never saw a swarm trap in action this pic shows a trap 20 yards from my bee yard 10 foot up in a tree catching a swarm I might not have because sometimes your just to busy. http://members.aol.com/RollingHillzFarm/swarm1.jpg Garry Knowin Kevins Bee Vac is great but this was the real easy way :~} Article 24848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Trappin the easy way Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 13:33:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509093302.21268.00002159@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24848 This is a picture of a swarm trap 20 yards from my yard 10 feet up in a tree with a phermone lure in it doin its job when i was to busy to do mine. http://members.aol.com/RollingHillzFarm/swarm1.jpg Enjoy Garry Article 24849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-181.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Center of the Swarm Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:50:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.b5 X-Server-Date: 9 May 2000 13:53:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24849 In article <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > A brief slide show of an easy capture of an incoming swarm yesterday. > http://www.pollinator.com/swarm/swarm1.htm > VERY cool and very educational presentation, Dave! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-181.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:45:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> <20000509014122.05255.00001452@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.b5 X-Server-Date: 9 May 2000 13:47:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24850 In article <20000509014122.05255.00001452@ng-cq1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > >How common an experience is it out there to find multiple queens in a > >swarm? > > Pretty common. As you noted, we don't usually look. Most prime swarms have > a mated queen and one or more virgins. Sometimes swarms merge and you have > more mated queens. Once a friend and I dropped a huge swarm on a sheet in > front of hive and we were snatching queens as they ran into the hive. We had > three mated queens and 18 virgins. > > Afterswarms often have just one virgin queen. I put a rather small swarm in my hive nearly two weeks ago. There's a queen in there, and she seems healthy, but I don't see any eggs yet. How long does she usually wait before going on a mating flight and/or beginning to lay eggs after she's hived? The hive is one that was left with a lot of honey and plenty of pollen/honey mix stored in the comb from the colony that died out over the winter. Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Rob Overton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bees needed Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:45:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24851 Anyone know of any South East suppliers that have packages available for immediate shipment. I had a mix up (my fault) with an order I placed in Feb. that was suppose to ship end of April. Now supplier can't ship before June. Thought I'd ask here before making a bunch of phone calls. I live in NY. Thanks, Rob.. Article 24852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ to eliminate Varroa? not yet... Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:47:35 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 127 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957919527 13481 130.216.90.132 (10 May 2000 00:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 00:45:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24852 On Monday 8 May more than 200 beekeepers from all over the upper half of the North Island gathered in South Auckland to hear industry leaders, NBA executives, and government scientists outline their present understanding of the Varroa infestation. We saw a bee pathologist from the Ministry of Agriculture present movies and colored presentations on the lifecycle, and the worldwide spread of V. jacobsonii, and give some information on chemical control measures. We saw an epidemiologist from the National Disease Information Centre (responsible to the Minister of BioSecurity) show map projections of the likely future spread of varroa through New Zealand if nothing was done, and if internationally accepted control measures were taken (eg. Apistan). Surprisingly (or perhaps not) the controlled spread was only about 2 years behind the do nothing spread because of spread by ferals and subclinical infection in migratory hives. Amongst the audience were some people frightened for their future, and for the future of the people they employed. There were some people angry that the government appeared to be doing too little, too slowly. But as the epidemiologist pointed out we still have time, varroa spreads slowly on its own, not like say foot and mouth where the virus is wind borne, and all cattle within a given radius and downwind must be slaughtered whether they have visible signs or not. The biggest factor in the spread of varroa (as with AFB) is the actions of beekeepers. So the emphasis has been on stopping hive movement, and checking all sites where bees have been moved to or from. This exercise has been compounded by the discovery of over 8000 unregistered hives on nearly 600 sites owned by about 130 beekeepers. The law requires now (Apiaries Act, and AFB Pest Management Strategy under Biosecurity Act) that all places where bees are kept for more than seven days must be registered as an apiary. Obviously laying 600 prosecutions against 130 persons would be a major diversion from the urgency of the varroa exercise. All sites found have been registered immediately where owners are known, apparently in many cases by numbers on the hives of beekeepers who do have other sites registered. It may be futile to consider action later against these people... The greatest fear is the fear of the unknown. In this case we do not yet know if any other exotic pathogens came in with varroa. The initial official thrust was to establish the extent of spread of varroa. It was only at the insistence of NBA that testing for EFB, tracheal mites and tropilaelaps was started on samples from the apparent centre of infestation. Lab results will not be back till the end of this week. It is assumed that any virus for which varroa is a vector will be present The epidemiologist seemed to favor an attempt at eradication. When pressed for an estimate of the chances that this could be successful she gave a figure that, while high, was somewhat less than 100%. The pathologist wanted people to prepare to live with varroa. When asked, if eradication was successful, how long would it be before varroa was back again, he became optimistic, and suggested that since it had taken at least 20 years for it to get here, it might take up to 20 years before it came back again... It was estimated that it could cost an extra NZ$14 per hive for Apistan for the most efficient and successful beekeepers. Those whose management techniques were not up to scratch would find it costing more than $14 per hive, and some may find other lines of business more profitable... The Animal Remedies Act requires that any substance administered to an animal for medicinal purposes must be registered as a remedy. This is to control such thing as efficacy, toxicity to other species, and residual quantities and withholding periods in the case of food producing animals. Formal registration of Apistan is still 6 to 8 weeks away. Overseas use, registration, or lab tests are not sufficient. Some of the tetsting must be done here under local conditions. Presumably thymol and oil of wintergreen will also need to be registered... A positive note was sounded by a well known local honey producer, that most of the rest of the world has varroa, and is still producing honey, more of it, more cheaply than us. The best thing to do in the meantime was to get on with the business of beekeeping. If eradication is chosen, ferals, and all unregistered hives, will be "depopulated" by slow release poison baits laid at 1 kilometre intervals over the affected area. Registered hives would be killed on the spot, woodware with the possible exception of brood frames could be re-used. The cost of this is known and is included in the figure of NZ$50 million published in local papers last week. Horticultural pollination services for next season would be supplied by hives from outside the area being brought in, then "depopulated" to be refilled for the following season. Some would remain as controls to determine the success or otherwise of eradication. Further unknowns: although V. jacobsonii will die within 5 days without a live bee host, it is not known how long they can live without reproducing when carried on bumble bees. Unknown is the extent of pollination of orchards, pasture and crops such as onions and pumpkins, by feral bees. One estimate is of an 80% reduction in clover content of dry hill country pasture when varroa eliminates ferals. Further tracing continues of hive movements near Te Puke, 60 km outside the orginal infected zone, following the discovery of an unregistered dump site for pollination hives which had come from the infected area... Border control has declined in the past 15 years with "restructuring", staff and budget cuts, and the belief by treasury gnomes that random audit can be as effective as continual control. Less than 5% of shipping containers entering NZ are now routinely inspected for Biosecurity hazards. Ultimately the decision to eradicate or live with varroa will be a political one. Cabinet will decide with the advice of their officials, who are still gathering the numbers... Disclaimer: this is not an official report, it is what one beekeeper has seen and heard. NZ National Beekeepers' Association posts varroa news at http://www.nba.org.nz/news.html NZ Ministry of Agriculture media releases are at http://www.maf.govt.nz/MAFnet/index/Varroa.html -- Peter Kerr School of Music University of Auckland Article 24853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:33:23 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> <39188EA4.485F15E4@lambton.on.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24853 When the egg is first laid it stands straight on the cell bottom, when it hatches( 3 days) it tips over and lays on it's side and a slight wetness shows the bees are feeding it. Mark Veltman wrote in message news:39188EA4.485F15E4@lambton.on.ca... > I did a split last weekend. I *think* it was successfuly, but I will find out > in the upcoming weeks. Can you explain what you mean by 'Standup eggs are > fresh laydown eggs are older'. > > thanks, > > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. > > Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't > > instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. > > Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older > > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > > -- > Mark Veltman > > Article 24854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:36:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24854 Hi Shelly, Is it warm where you are? They could be just hanging out :-) Is there a nectar flow? After the first swarm it usually takes about 4 weeks to get things back to normal, that is a laying queen. If they want to swarm again then the bees will keep the 2 queens apart. It's up to you if you want to re queen or not. You could wait to see what her off spring are like. Look for the queen where the eggs are. Make sure there is room for the queen to lay in the brood nest. I have put the second super on here in Ontario, the first is over 1/4 full. Kent Article 24855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eggs in honey super Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:13:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24855 Hi folks, I'm a second year beekeeper. I put excluders & supers on my two hives a few weeks ago (after they both swarmed) and the bees seemed reluctant to cross the excluder & would not start drawing comb in the supers. In accordance with popular advice, I removed the excluders so the bees would move up & get started working on the supers, with intentions of putting them back as soon as the bees got some comb drawn. Well, I waited a little too long on one hive. It has two supers on it & they had drawn at least some comb on most of the frames of the lower super, which is fine, but in three of the frames, there were eggs. Also, quite of few of the eggs were laid in cells which the bees had enlarged (drone cells ??), but not all of them. After I discovered this, I thoroughly inspected the frames in the super to make sure the queen wasn't up there & moved the three frames with eggs in them to the end so I'd remember which ones they were. Then I put the excluder in place & put the hive back together. I had two supers on the hive & I put the other one (comb not drawn) below the one with the eggs in it, in hopes of getting them started on it sooner too. Was reversing the supers advisable, or should I put them back the way they were (already drawn one below & other on top)? Did I do the right thing about the super with eggs in it by just leaving it the way it was? I assume that I shouldn't use the frames that have had eggs in them as comb honey (it's comb foundation), since larvae tend to leave behind stuff you might not want to eat. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 24856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:55:27 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24856 not all that uncommon, most likely these are afterswarms with virgins, no need to dequeen as they are just hedging their bets and will sort themselves out naturally...however if you are in africanized bee territory swarms tend to "amalgamate" commonly with multiple queens not necessarily all virgins...(see also previous posting on cape bees). Article 24857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 04:21:52 GMT References: <20000509153403.14583.00004349@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000510002152.07429.00002211@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24857 From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) > This is anecdotal, but the only time I've ever seen dragonflies hunting >over >my Eastern Mass. apiaries is at dusk. Queens generally don't mate at dusk. I >don't have my reference material in front of me, but I think queens fly >between >10 a.m. and 4 p.m. Of course, the behavior of dragonflies, like bees, could >differ according to various factors like race, suborder, species, climate and >location. Yup. Ask any southeastern US queen breeder. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 2000 19:34:03 GMT References: <20000509071710.05267.00001468@ng-cq1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000509153403.14583.00004349@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24858 Dave wrote: If the weather is too poor for mating flights, or a dragonfly gets her as she flies (she's a choise morsel for them), then you have basically lost your hive. This is anecdotal, but the only time I've ever seen dragonflies hunting over my Eastern Mass. apiaries is at dusk. Queens generally don't mate at dusk. I don't have my reference material in front of me, but I think queens fly between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. Of course, the behavior of dragonflies, like bees, could differ according to various factors like race, suborder, species, climate and location. Article 24859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:47:59 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957934287 84075 204.216.255.92 (10 May 2000 04:51:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24859 I am new to beekeeping as will be obvious. I opened up my first hive after a couple of weeks and saw about six to seven frames drawn out. There were frames of capped cells. I couldn't see any eggs / larvae when I held it up to the sunlight. Someone told me to try and hold it down so the light shows into the cells and look for eggs / larvae. How can I tell the difference between capped honey and capped brood? Would they cap honey so soon? Article 24860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: The Center of the Swarm Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <957935292.248464@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-33.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:08:48 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 957935308 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 10 May 2000 17:08:28 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:08:28 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24860 Ditto!!! Just great. Liz (Auckland NZ) Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0905000750570001@pool-207-205-176-181.phnx.grid.net... > In article <20000509072940.05267.00001469@ng-cq1.aol.com>, > pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > > > A brief slide show of an easy capture of an incoming swarm yesterday. > > http://www.pollinator.com/swarm/swarm1.htm > > > > > VERY cool and very educational presentation, Dave! > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees needed Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 15:01:46 GMT References: <3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000510110146.05666.00001860@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24861 >Anyone know of any South East suppliers that have packages available for >immediate shipment. I had a mix up (my fault) with an order I placed in >Feb. that was suppose to ship end of April. Now supplier can't ship >before June. Thought I'd ask here before making a bunch of phone >calls. I live in NY. If you are near Dundee, Wixxson is getting in a truckoad of nucs in the next couple days. I think he'll have some spares. Nucs will be off and going quicker than packages, because they already have brood the day you get them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:26:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 957968487 204.244.87.79 (Wed, 10 May 2000 07:21:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:21:27 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24862 Hi Vicky, Capped honey looks a bit translucent and the frame is mainly flat on the surface with small veins. Capped brood is yellow, opaque and each cell is a little convex. Very convex capped brood (bullet like) easy to see the difference, are drones. Larvaes look like coiled white worms on bottom of cell usually close to the lightest yellow capped brood. Eggs are seen like you said, and close to the smallest larvaes. Every one of those above should be seen almost at all times as well as pollen. 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  --------------7589DF07BF4630737AA2EA63-- Article 24864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 180% increase in bee complaints in S. CA Lines: 134 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 15:03:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000510110315.24101.00001127@ng-mb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24864 Submitted to bee-l. Cross posted here. In a message dated 5/10/00 7:06:21 AM, dewsnap@WORLDNET.ATT.NET writes: << Obviously a small beekeeping group cannot handle every situation, but how are things done in other areas (in regards to answering calls in areas infested with Africanized honeybees)? >> Not very well I gather from the following article. Ignorant fear about honeybees seems to be rampant in the land of Hollywood. From what follows, it seems there is a kill-on-sight attitude, if not a law, for honeybees in S. California now that Africanized honeybees have arrived. Some problems: 1) There is a glaring (to me) error of accuracy, on the part of both the vector control people and the reporter. The "bees" are building their "hive" in the roots of a magnolia tree. Honeybees don't nest in the ground, unless this is a behavioral characteristic of Africanized honeybees I'm not aware of. The vector control people are either ignorant, or they are purposely misrepresenting the type of insect to mug for the reporter who is doing a story on "killer bees." 2) Why are these state-government "professionals" dousing hives with pesticides in the middle of the day, and then leaving a "bucket of pesticides" to come back a second time and kill the foragers in a few days? In addition to being wasteful (2 visits), it creates an extremely dangerous situation for several days as the returning foragers are extremely volatile! This is a terribly irresponsible situation, and leaves the city wide-open to a lawsuit. It also will leave an indelibly negative imprint on the minds and attitudes of people living in the surrounding area about the behavior of honeybees. 3) I find the journalist's flip characterization of the pesticide applicators' work destroying bee hives as glamorous and glorious to be offensive, gross. The part about these guys standing around a woman's yard trying to pressure her to come on her property and kill a swarm sounds like abuse of their mandate as state workers. 4) The only California victim of the "killer" bees, according to this article, was a Long Beach beekeeper who was stung 50 times. Are there any beekeepers out there who have had a bad day with their European bees and been stung dozens of times? The point is, this happens to beekeepers. The story is more indicative of the hazards of beekeeping rather than the hazards of AHB, especially for those among us who don't always wear a full suit. It is highly unlikely to happen to somebody who isn't messing around with a bee hive. This is also a classic example of why beekeeps who mug for the cameras with minimal (or no) protective gear are irresponsible to set the example. 5) "These are the golden days for bee workers, a time of high public appreciation and elevated status among their pest control brethren." Is this reporting, or a public relations campaign? Personally, I receive elevated status among my pest control brethren when I give them a jar of honey for sending me all those swarm calls. From Los Angeles Times April 24, 2000 HEADLINE: STING OPERATIONS; CALLS TO PEST CONTROL TEAMS MULTIPLY WITH FEAR OF AFRICANIZED BEES BYLINE: SUE FOX "Holly Ziman threw open her front door before the men in the white mesh suits had knocked, before they'd even trundled across her tidy lawn. "'Are you here for the bees?' she asked anxiously. "We didn't know whether they were African or regular or what!" "The Bee Team, a pesticide-toting duo accustomed to such fervent greetings, was unfazed. Ever since the infamous Africanized honeybee arrived in Los Angeles County in late 1998, the buzz around town has kept the pair as busy as the bees they chase. "Bee-related complaints skyrocketed from 31 calls in 1998 to more than 5,550 in 1999, according to the Greater Los Angeles County Vector Control District. The agency, a state-authorized district funded by property taxes, recently hired 10 workers to keep up with the demand. "And as the weather warms up again, hundreds of cries for help will be heard. "'Ten or 15 years ago, if people saw bees in a bush, they thought, "Oh, how cute, the bees are pollinating my flowers,"' said Richard Baxter, a Bee Team member who covers the San Fernando Valley, as he zipped on his sting-proof hood for another call. 'Now, they're very concerned about Africanized bees.' "Last April, agriculture officials declared that Los Angeles County had been colonized by the aggressive bees--ending any hopes of eradication. "Despite their fearsome "killer bee" moniker, they rarely kill people—but they do attack in larger numbers and pursue people more persistently than European bees, officials say. "Since 1990, six people have died from Africanized bee stings in the United States, said Robert Donley, director of pest detection for the county's Agriculture Department. The only California victim was a Long Beach beekeeper who was stung more than 50 times last August. "'If people weren't so aware of the danger , I think we'd see a lot more multiple stinging incidents and possibly more fatalities,' Donley said. "To the eye, Africanized bees look just like their European counterparts, experts say. But their genes are dominant. Ever since some Africanized bees escaped from a Brazilian laboratory in the late 1950s, they have been steadily moving north, taking over the wild bee populations as they go. "Experts now assume Africanized honeybees to be so widespread here that county officials no longer test bees to confirm their genetic origins. Ziman said she and her husband contacted the pest control district as soon as they noticed bees buzzing around the roots of their magnolia tree. With neighborhood children scooting past on bikes and two dogs of their own, the couple didn't want to take any chances. "'It's been a concern ever since we saw them,' Ziman said, ducking as a stray bee whizzed by. "Aaaagghh! There's one flying over here," she shouted to the bee squad. "I don't like this." The art of bee removal, at least as practiced by vector control workers, is fairly straightforward. If the hive is exposed--say, hanging from a branch--workers spray it with pesticide and yank it down. If it's hidden inside a tree, they spray it and stuff the knot-holes with cotton batting, trapping the bees inside. "Jeremy Uhlenkott opted for the latter method at the Ziman house, jamming the cotton into the cracks between the tree roots with a screwdriver. "'It's hard to tell if it's all sealed up,' he said. If not, the bees will find another exit route. Even if the holes are blocked, plenty of bees that were out foraging will eventually return, only to find their ransacked hive. So Baxter and Uhlenkott leave a bucket filled with yet more pesticide behind, promising to return in a few days. "For guys who spend their days slugging it out with swarms of angry bees, they're pretty cheerful. These are the golden days for bee workers, a time of high public appreciation and elevated status among their pest control brethren. "'People seem to like us more when we show up for bees,' Baxter said. "The Vector Control District also handles mosquito and other insect abatement. While trolling through backyards looking for stagnant water may not seem as glamorous as bee-busting, the effort keeps mosquitoes from breeding and possibly transmitting diseases such as St. Louis encephalitis. "'With the bees, your adrenaline's going,' said Wesley Collins, who is currently on mosquito patrol. "But for me, I personally feel like I'm serving a better need with the mosquitoes. No one likes being bitten by a mosquito." "Besides, working the bee shift isn't all glory. Both Baxter and Uhlenkott have been stung on duty. "Not everyone is glad to see the Bee Team roll up in its white pickup truck, either. Sometimes people yell at them to leave the poor bees alone, Baxter said. "Occasionally, homeowners will insist that they don't have a bee problem, even when a hive is clearly visible. On a recent call in Valley Village, for example, a woman swore that her gardener already had removed the hive in her yard. The team was forced to turn away, even though they could see the bees swarming around a tree. "'We'll probably be back here next week,' Uhlenkott said." Article 24865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0221c012.ef5dab46@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Subject: Re: colony union Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:02:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 957974545 24.65.109.115 (Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:25 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24865 Reduce both hives to one super, and place one super on top of the other with a layer of newpaper in between them. By the time they have chewed through it, they will think they are a single unit. Either let the queens fight it out, kill the queen in the hive that is weaker, or requeen. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries SK Canada "yosi_sarid" wrote in message news:0221c012.ef5dab46@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com... > Hello all > I need a methode for having unity 2 mediume colonys into 1 > big colony. > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Eggs in honey super Lines: 68 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957978932 12.72.51.242 (Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24866 If you have eggs above an excluder and super of foundation, you need to be aware that some colonies will start queen cells in the upper super, so be on the lookout. I'm sorry I don't remember the particulars of your original post. Did you stagger the supers or otherwise provide for an entrance above the QX? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Rodney Isom" wrote in message news:shhha174d5896@corp.supernews.com... > Hi folks, > > I'm a second year beekeeper. I put excluders & supers on my two hives a few > weeks ago (after they both swarmed) and the bees seemed reluctant to cross > the excluder & would not start drawing comb in the supers. In accordance > with popular advice, I removed the excluders so the bees would move up & get > started working on the supers, with intentions of putting them back as soon > as the bees got some comb drawn. > > Well, I waited a little too long on one hive. It has two supers on it & > they had drawn at least some comb on most of the frames of the lower super, > which is fine, but in three of the frames, there were eggs. Also, quite of > few of the eggs were laid in cells which the bees had enlarged (drone cells > ??), but not all of them. After I discovered this, I thoroughly inspected > the frames in the super to make sure the queen wasn't up there & moved the > three frames with eggs in them to the end so I'd remember which ones they > were. Then I put the excluder in place & put the hive back together. I had > two supers on the hive & I put the other one (comb not drawn) below the one > with the eggs in it, in hopes of getting them started on it sooner too. > > Was reversing the supers advisable, or should I put them back the way they > were (already drawn one below & other on top)? Did I do the right thing > about the super with eggs in it by just leaving it the way it was? I assume > that I shouldn't use the frames that have had eggs in them as comb honey > (it's comb foundation), since larvae tend to leave behind stuff you might > not want to eat. > > Any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > -- > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > > > > Article 24867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 27 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957978933 12.72.51.242 (Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:15:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24867 I find it much easier to see the eggs if the frame is not viewed in direct sunlight, the glistening in the bottom of the cells looks very much like an egg. Try to view it with your shadow cast over it. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Vicky" wrote in message news:8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com... > I am new to beekeeping as will be obvious. I opened up my first hive after > a couple of weeks and saw about six to seven frames drawn out. There were > frames of capped cells. I couldn't see any eggs / larvae when I held it up > to the sunlight. Someone told me to try and hold it down so the light shows > into the cells and look for eggs / larvae. How can I tell the difference > between capped honey and capped brood? Would they cap honey so soon? > > Article 24868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: George C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splits Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:13:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8fc5bf$ev9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8evljt$35q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.141.254 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 10 17:13:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.219.141.254 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDghclark Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24868 Thanks, George In article <20000506092600.15493.00001397@ng-fm1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > A day or two is a good idea and gets more queen acceptance. > Also after a few days you can go back and see who has eggs and who doesn't > instead of playing hide and seek with her highness. > Standup eggs are fresh laydown eggs are older > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net> Subject: Re: Package Bees needed Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <0scS4.494$Cc.24241@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:18:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 957961084 204.186.180.80 (Wed, 10 May 2000 08:18:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:18:04 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24869 We are shipping packages and can send you some out on Monday if you so desire. Give us a call or visit our website. Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Rob Overton wrote in message news:3918B11F.2974A681@ulster.net... > Anyone know of any South East suppliers that have packages available for > immediate shipment. I had a mix up (my fault) with an order I placed in > Feb. that was suppose to ship end of April. Now supplier can't ship > before June. Thought I'd ask here before making a bunch of phone > calls. I live in NY. > > Thanks, > Rob.. > Article 24870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!HSNX.atgi.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:25:59 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8fbro7$a9b$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957968968 10539 204.216.255.92 (10 May 2000 14:29:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24870 Thank you, I will look again this weekend and keep in mind you comments. If I don't see any brood will order a new queen. Vicky Normand wrote in message news:HfeS4.28061$H7.1541486@brie.direct.ca... > Hi Vicky, > Capped honey looks a bit translucent and the frame is mainly flat on the > surface with small veins. > Capped brood is yellow, opaque and each cell is a little convex. > Very convex capped brood (bullet like) easy to see the difference, are > drones. > Larvaes look like coiled white worms on bottom of cell usually close to the > lightest yellow capped brood. > Eggs are seen like you said, and close to the smallest larvaes. > Every one of those above should be seen almost at all times as well as > pollen. > Hope this helps,enjoy > Normand > > > Article 24871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Various Questions. Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 15:16:32 GMT References: <20000506162514.05634.00001549@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000510111632.24101.00001130@ng-mb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24871 Tim wrote: 7.Has anyone ever placed a canopy over the hives to keep them shaded in the summer? I painted my hives a dark color to improve movement in the winter to the honey stores and prevent starvation. Last summer was a blazer here on the East Coast, and one hive was positioned to get sun all day (the rest get a break from vegetation, usually in the afternoon if I've arranged my hives right in the apiary). For that one hive, I placed a piece of wooden particle board, the kind that has 1/4 inch holes in it, over the top extending about a foot over each side. Got a 50-pound surplus from it—pretty good for a 1st year hive started on foundation. Article 24872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Entrance reducers and other useless equipment Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:29:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 957972593 24.65.109.115 (Wed, 10 May 2000 08:29:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:29:53 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24872 Thanks George, I too have used the frame" slipper", but find it too advanced for my simple skill level. Your comment made me crack right up. I have been very fond of the Queen squisher, used to punish queens that do not co-operate while being marked. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Sk, Canada "George Styer" wrote in message news:Mv9N4.32132$fV.1951814@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > We have had some fun with Duragilt (AKA DadantGuilt), entrance reducers, > entrance feeders and other items that each of us on an individual basis has > an opinion of as to their relative usefulness. The supers are on, new queens > are in and I've nothing to do so what is the most useless item relative to > beekeeping you have come across. Could be equipment or even the bee itself > (Yugo?). > > I'll start with the frame slipper, er...I mean gripper. > > Do these things even work on Pierco frames? And how do you turn your wrists > to examine the other side of a frame? Lots of people become attached to > these things claiming the great level of confidence they afford to the > novice. The confidence quickly erodes once you drop a frame on your foot and > they start to crawl up your leg at an amazing rate of speed. Or worse, you > start to have a Bill Buckner moment and your natural reaction is to reach > for the floundering frame with you free hand. No thanks, fingers work just > fine and I always know where they are. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > Article 24873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!uio.no!uninett.no!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bad situation in Denmark! Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:57:15 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8fcls5$1cs$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 957995717 1436 195.249.242.3 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24873 Hello fellow beekeepers! Tracheal mites now found in Denmark. Due to an import of queens from USA this disease was also imported. The Importer of the queens was not able to help out who the beekeepers were that received the queens. The very bad thing is that he refused to bring an article in the magazine he at that time vas editor of, that could have helped out stopping this invasion in time. But that is not all. We have an ireland where we are keeping the black Nordic bee. This ireland was protected against import of bees, but probably illegal import have caused that also this ireland now is infested by tracheal mites. Cure for tracheal mites is formic acid and because of this, beekeepers that are using this against Varroa mites, will at the same time limit the damage this tracheal mites can do. about my software, i will inform you what have been going on lately! take a peek at my url and browsw to thew what news page, and you will find a total new input screen and also a new queenbreeder interface. I have now plenty of time to expand the software for the benefit of beekeeping. The last expansion came from cooperation with a Swedish beekeeper, and the inputscreen is based on the swedish queenbreeder register card. what is more done is that from within the software you will now be able to edit the software language, so that the items that I was not able to translate or languages that is not yet supported kan be worked out by you. the editing takes place within the software. you can find this software at http://apimo.dk best regards Jorn Johanesson e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 24874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dragonflies in the apiary Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:59:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8fcqk8$vob$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com> <8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <8f8q4p$b8l$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000584 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24874 Thanks - first time that I have heard the name 'darners'. "Pamela Buckle" wrote in message news:8f8q4p$b8l$1@lure.pipex.net... > Darners is right - for the long-bodied type which look like big long > needles. These are also known as Hawkers because of the behaviour described > in the original post (Odonata, Aeshnidae, Aeshna the best known genus). > Darters are the shorter flatter type of dragonfly which tend to hunt by > darting out from a sitting lookout point (Odonata, Libellulidae, Libellula > the best known genus with its flat bright coloured body). Names vary with > locality. > Martin. > > Peter Edwards wrote in > message news:8etntp$ev8$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "JMitc1014" wrote in message > > news:20000502155709.14590.00002274@ng-ch1.aol.com... > > > Dragonflies, and especially a suborder she referred to as the "darners" > > > > I think that should be 'Darters'. > > > > > The number of bees they take is insignificant > > > > Unless they are queens flying to mate! > > > > > > Article 24875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inspection technique Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:15:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8fcqkb$vob$7@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000587 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24875 I am now in my 20th year of beekeeping. In all that time I have always practised (and taught) that you should remove the queen excluder, turn it over and inspect it to make sure that the queen is not on it and then place it upside down in front of the hive (just in case she is). Last Saturday, for the first time, I removed a queen excluder, turned it over and found the queen on it. Article 24876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:10:42 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 74 Message-ID: <8fcqka$vob$6@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ettaf$4ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000586 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24876 I suspect that is it is. 1/4" sounds very wrong to me. wrote in message news:8ettaf$4ak$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I checked the excluder for any defect but I have not found any defect. Does > this mean that the openings spacing 250/1000 (1/4") is not proper and most > probably the cause. Thx, Aziz > > In article <8etnu2$ev8$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, > "Peter Edwards" wrote: > > Firstly, what do you mean by 'excluder spacing'? The slots should be > > 163/1000 inch. > > > > Common causes of queens getting into supers are damaged excluders and poor > > handling of equipment during inspections. Correct technique is to: > > take off the roof and place it upside down at the side or rear of the hive; > > remove the supers and pace on the upturned roof; > > remove the queen excluder, check it to make sure that the queen is not on it > > and then place it in front of the hive (just in case you missed her!); > > when removing brood frames, remove the first one and either prop it against > > the front of the hive or place it in a nuc box - do not prop it against the > > supers; > > never place a brood box on the supers (the queen will go down into the > > darker, lower box; > > when re-assembling, shake all bees off the queen excluder, either into the > > brood box or in front of the hive. > > > > You will then be sure that the queen stays where she should be! > > wrote in message news:8eqt14$oi7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > In article <8enag6$o39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > > asiray0a@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > HI everybody, When I opened my two boxes (brood and super) hive of > > hybird of > > > > Carniolan with Egyptian bees for inspection, I found brood on the top > > box > > > > eventhough there is an queen excluder between the boxes. The excluder > > spacing > > > > is 1/4". > > > > > > > > Have anybody experinced this before? > > > > Do any body have an explanation? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Aziz > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > I forget to tell you that I found approx. 20 Drones above the exluder. > > They > > > try to get down but they could not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Narky" bees Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:08:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8fcqk9$vob$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000507130543.07426.00001904@ng-cl1.aol.com> <20000507135157.01769.00001666@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-143.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958000585 32523 62.136.4.143 (10 May 2000 23:16:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:16:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24877 Move it - provided that there is another hive close by for the flyers to drift into. The moved hive will then have mainly young bees that are much easier to handle - and certainly easier to requeen. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000507135157.01769.00001666@ng-fl1.aol.com... > > > >And, while I'm asking your advice, any easy way of requeening a "narky" hive > >(not having to do so with a full "nuc")? > > > > > > Nope mean bees are hard on queens to. I always make several new hives from > one mean hive. > Small hives of mean bees are easier to deal with till the new brood from the > gentle replacement queen is in abundance. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 2000 23:22:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000510192242.23697.00001756@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24878 Capped honey looks like it has been capped with a sheet of wax that is a little wrinkled. Capped brood is capped individually one cell at a time. In a healthy colony during the season of brood raising you would expect to see 1 eggs 2 twice as much open brood as eggs 3 twice as much capped brood as open Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!news.okay.net!not-for-mail From: Maier_egon@heilbronn-neckar.de (Egon Maier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEUE WEB-SEITEN http://www.bienen-netz.de vorerst deutschsprachig mit WEB-RING Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:39:49 GMT Organization: Okay.Net Newsserver @ Gigabell Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3919e8a6.10074877@news.myOKAY.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.29.52.209 X-Trace: news.okay.net 958002112 36533 194.29.52.209 (10 May 2000 23:41:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Okay.Net Abuse Team NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 23:41:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24879 Neue deutschsprachige Bienenseiten unter http://www.bienen-netz.de Einladung auch fuer den neuen Bienen-Netz Webring unter http://www.bienen-netz.de/Webring/index.htm Kontakt: webmaster@bienen-netz.de Article 24880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:55:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8fd7fg$m8l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 11 02:55:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24880 > "Vicky"wrote: > How can I tell the difference between capped honey and capped brood? > Would they cap honey so soon? ****************************************************************** Howdy Vicky -- Location on the frame is significant. Capped brood with its toast brown color is toward the middle of the frame. Stored honey with its whitish caps is located in the top corners. Break a cell with the corner of your hive tool and you will know quickly. No, the bees will not cap honey before it is ready. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.126.101.70!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:50:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <391A581B.FBE26263@usol.com> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24881 it was warm 2 weeks before this last monday, we had good weather after the swarm. how many days does a queen have a mating flight to go thru 15 drones on ave.? 3 days? Hi Shelly, Is it warm where you are? They could be just hanging out :-) Is there a nectar flow? After the first swarm it usually takes about 4 weeks to get things back to normal, that is a laying queen. If they want to swarm again then the bees will keep the 2 queens apart. It's up to you if you want to re queen or not. You could wait to see what her off spring are like. Look for the queen where the eggs are. Make sure there is room for the queen to lay in the brood nest. I have put the second super on here in Ontario, the first is over 1/4 full. Kent Article 24882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:51:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <391A587C.FB8DA778@usol.com> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24882 thanks to everyone for the feedback. never a dull moment with my bees. Article 24883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software update : What is new? Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:04:42 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 95 Message-ID: <8fesk6$r0d$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip87.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 958068166 27661 195.249.242.87 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24883 First of my buglist is getting very very thin. Al bugs reported to me have been worked out, and corrected. There is though one bug left, that I created by making an other Index file layout. It works that way that if you have created index on the queens and then install the new software, the index file on disk and this described in the software no longer match, so an error comes up by trying to use the queenbreeder facility. it is simple an access violation error that do no harm, and the cure is simple, just make a new index calculation. here is the new things in the software: there are added two new fields to the hivenote entry so that it now is up to date with the official hivenote entries in Denmark and I think it will satisfy the most beekeepers. The queenbreeder queen entry is based on the Swedish queenbreeder register card and is practical a copy of this. But it is automated in some ways. You can select some predefined text to some of the fields, but you can also add to those text just by entering what you want. You will then be asked if you want to add this to the list. As you enter queens you will also be asked if you want to add those to the queen list. If you add it, then those queens will be available from this list, that is available for queenmother queen mother and queen grand mother. The queen list is also available fro the dronesource, where you can add up to five sources for the queen, queen mother and queen grandmother. I though have a hint only add those queens you are using as breeding source, otherwise it will grow to big. Dates can be entered from a calendar for the following items Hatching mating taken in use and kassation there is a little grid on this entry form, that shows the result for up to four Years for the queen. those results are Index Harvest average for the beeyard harvest for the queen average grades for the beeyard and the queen result for the following items: Aggressivity Steadiness Sickness and Swarming those above is what is very important for the beekeeping results. And those are genetic ingredients in the queen. The good thing is that those, even for a normal beekeeper is very easy to change, by simple selection, and if you go one by one you will see results in a few years. to help you by this selection I calculate an index. this index is shown as over or under the average for the Yard that is set to 100% so you can now easily select the queen you want to work with. But it does not rule out the beekeeper, because it is your decision to choose what you think is best. It is just a guideline. a software for beekeeping can be no more than a tool but very helpful if used. It can help you to improve your beekeeping because it is working with facts and not an unreliable and weak memory. Your question to me can be : Why pay you that money you are asking for , I can just use a spreadsheet? It is Okay. If you want to do the above, and can do it in a spreadsheet then Okay. If you can't do that then my software is a possibility for that lousy money of $100 for a full software. For a limited software without the queenbreeder facility it is $45 and this will include a free update of the software + acces to the updates on the web that I will announce by personal E-Mail. The very limited software is $20 and on pricelevel for shareware software. You will get one free update but have to watch out for updates on the net yourself. For the rest of you who dont want to pay in blind, the software on the net is full working but only for five hives and the queenbreeder entry shows, but only queen, hive, beeyard and comments to the queen is saved. Does this above not sound fair ???? if not go elsewhere for the solution you want. The above prices will only partly cover my expensies, so! best regards Jorn Johanesson Http://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 24884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391AFF3B.AA7E0127@cybertours.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:43:08 -0400 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.221 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.221 X-Trace: 11 May 2000 14:40:57 -0500, 209.222.80.221 Lines: 8 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.221 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24884 The following link has been updated: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Herb/Norma Article 24885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:59:51 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 27 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust214.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust214.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24885 > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of them > if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off from > the new location without doing orientation flights and will return to > the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home > swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I > think a few hundred feet is too close. Bees that have swarmed immediately 'forget' their former location no matter how near or far it is from where you hive them. The danger of loss is that once hived, they may 1.) still have a location picked out and go there at the next opportunity -- or 2.) they may have lost their queen and return home to wait and swarm again as soon as a new queen is available. Therefore, it is good practice to 1.) move them a long way or 2.) keep them confined for a while until settled and the queen starts laying or to 3.) give them a frame of young brood and eggs. If you confine them, the best way is by putting the hive in a totally dark and cool place for a day or two, not by screening which can suffocate them. allen Article 24886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:03:01 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-98-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 11 May 2000 07:14:12 -0500, dial-98-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 43 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-98-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24886 I began raising queens last summer. A breeder in Vermont showed me a way to raise cells with one colony. The colony is out of honey production for only about 3 weeks. Pick a strong colony with a prolific queen. This colony should have at least 10 frames of brood. Dismantle the hive, placing the queen and all the sealed brood in the bottom chamber. Place an excluder on the hive, and then the top chamber with the rest of the brood. Put the supers back on the hive. On the ninth day, check the entire colony for queen cells. Feed! The following day is grafting day. In the morning, remove the colony from the stand. Place a new bottom board on the stand, and then a super. On the super, place the top brood chamber. Place a shaker box (hive body with excluder nailed on the bottom) on this chamber. Shake 5 frames of bees from the bottom brood chamber into the shaker box. The bees will go down, but the queen will not. If the queen winds up in the shaker box, place her back into the bottom chamber. The bottom chamber gets a super on top and is covered. The bottom chamber gets a super, is covered, and moved to a different yard. In the afternoon, The cell starter is ready for the graft. They're newly queenless, packed with young bees, and ready to raise cells. There will be no larvae to feed except the ones you give them.Give them the cell bars, and a frame of pollen. In 5 days, bring back the parent colony. Place it on the stand, then an excluder, and then the cell builder. You don't need newspaper. The cells will be ready on the tenth day. Remove the cells, and the excluder. The colony is back in honey production. I feel this to be the easiest and most successful cell rearing plan for the beekeeper with limited equipment, wanting to raise a few or a few hundred cells. Good luck Mike kamtout@together.net wrote: > I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and > was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony > was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality > as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? > Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. > Thanks > Mike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9205-391AB06E-7@storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQrIA6wCzmAz6kkGkNBfv7ulSc+qwIUaPDw0mKIJJID39iaSL9kn0o6j9g= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24887 Mr. Palmer this is a very good post. I would like to know why you put all the sealed brood down and the open brood up with the Ex. in the middle. If you just make sure the Q was in the bottom and wait the nine days would this not do the same thing. I am sure there is a good reason for this because you say it works so good. One other thing in your idea would this hive not keep on makeing honey because you left all the bees except a few to take care of the queen and brood with the queed raisers. They might make more because they had no brood to feed. BUD Article 24888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee folklore Message-ID: References: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 15 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:50:20 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:47:10 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24888 There's lots of nice references and stories about them in the Bible, like when they set up shop inside a dead lion one time. In article <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk>, jps114@york.ac.uk says... > Hi. > I've been interested in bees and beekeeping for a long time. I wondered > if any of you know much folklore about bees. There's the stuff about > telling bees about deaths and other important events and that bees > should not be bought but exchanged. > > What other folklore is there and are there any websites about bee > folklore? > > Peter. > Article 24889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!199.79.239.47!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:30:44 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8ffjlf$25ll$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-2-95.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 958091759 71349 199.45.211.95 (12 May 2000 00:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2000 00:35:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24889 Thanks to everybody who answered my questions! I gave the bees 4 days or so to get used to the queens, then went and checked on them. The queens were still caged, so I took the advice given here and let the bees release them by themselves. I was concerned about the flyaway-queen story that was told, so I pushed the corks into each cage and plugged the holes with granulated honey (not having any marshmallows). I went back a week later, and voila! queens and eggs in every hive! This is exciting to actually start a hive from scratch like this. I was surprised to find that 1 hive out of the four was overflowing the medium super I provided each with, having drawn (or begun) all 10 frames. 2 of the other hives however only had 2 or 3 frames of bees apiece. I figure that in all the confusion of installation, a lot of bees wound up in the strong hive somehow. Maybe they liked that queen's perfume the best? I dunno. Thanks again for the advice! -- replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply Article 24890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.germany.net!news.vas-net.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.rt.ru!news.donbass.net!hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Grigory Psaras" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: æÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÍ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ 0629 39-53-55 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 05:00:39 +0300 Organization: Azov Information Company Ltd. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8ffohl$lr3$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: du18.azov.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24890 áÇÒÏÆÉÒÍÁ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÔ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ ÎÁ ËÏÎÅà Á×ÇÕÓÔÁ 2000 Ç. Article 24891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged bees or Nuc in Southern California Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:27:22 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8fg1dp$1g68$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 958105849 49352 204.216.255.92 (12 May 2000 04:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24891 Does anyone know of a source for packaged bees (still shipping) or a nuc in Southern California? I have only found queens. Thanks Article 24892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 180% increase in bee complaints in S. CA Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 2000 18:58:52 GMT References: <20000510110315.24101.00001127@ng-mb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000511145852.24702.00001539@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24892 Contributors on bee-l have pointed out that honeybees will nest in the ground, and that there is some strong evidence that Africanized bees are even more likely to do so. I still find the original article objectional in tone and the methodology of the "Bee Team" unsound in how they dispose of established feral colonies. Article 24893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Peter Sanderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee folklore Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:36:12 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 10 Sender: jps114@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cst234.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 958088172 26573 144.32.8.48 (11 May 2000 23:36:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2000 23:36:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24893 Hi. I've been interested in bees and beekeeping for a long time. I wondered if any of you know much folklore about bees. There's the stuff about telling bees about deaths and other important events and that bees should not be bought but exchanged. What other folklore is there and are there any websites about bee folklore? Peter. Article 24894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: lbirdwell@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to buy - PA Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:18:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8fgp9b$jvm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.83.116.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 11 13:18:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.83.116.21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24894 I am looking to get back into beekeeping as a hobby. I am looking to buy 4-5 hives or so and some equipment. Extractor, hot knife, extra frames, smoker, etc. Thanks. Feel free to call Lyle 570-426-1851 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:28:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8fgpsv$kkb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 12 11:28:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24895 In article <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of them > > if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off from > > the new location without doing orientation flights and will return to > > the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home > > swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I > > think a few hundred feet is too close. > > Bees that have swarmed immediately 'forget' their former location no matter > how near or far it is from where you hive them. > > The danger of loss is that once hived, they may 1.) still have a location > picked out and go there at the next opportunity -- or 2.) they may have lost > their queen and return home to wait and swarm again as soon as a new queen > is available. > > Therefore, it is good practice to 1.) move them a long way or 2.) keep them > confined for a while until settled and the queen starts laying or to 3.) > give them a frame of young brood and eggs. > > If you confine them, the best way is by putting the hive in a totally dark > and cool place for a day or two, not by screening which can suffocate them. > > allen > I agree, Allen, and like your other advice, but the bees in question are a colony, not a swarm. I got the impression that they had been in place for quite some time since they had comb. Anyway, Thursday has passed so maybe we'll find out what happened. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Five Locations Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:13:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <8fhl54$iqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fh4p8$lj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000512124413.08500.00002447@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 12 19:13:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24896 In article <20000512124413.08500.00002447@ng-cs1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > > What are the top five states in USA that are appropriate and easy for > >keeping bees?, since I am going to continue my advanced education in USA > > Boy, that's a tough one, and would have to be qualified a bit. Are you > looking for good schools for beekeeper education, or are you studying another > field and keeping bees on the side? Are you thinking in terms of honey > production, or pollination, or ? > > One thing, if you want to study beekeeping, is that many of our best > agricultural universities only have one bee specialist. You may want to pick a > good mentor, rather than worry about the school. > > On that basis, I'd suggest Keith Delaplane, Georgia; Tom Sanford, Florida; > Nick Calderone, New York, Maryann Frazier, Pennsylvania. There are many others > that could be on the list. Dewey Caron at Delaware is a good one in a small > beekeeping state. You'll note that I'm biased to the east coast, as I don't > know the west as well; western beekeepers please speak up.... > > As to states where beekeeping is a major industry, I'd probably list > California first, Oregon, Washington, New York and Florida, though North Dakota > & Minnisota would be close to making my list. > > I've made a start on trying to list some resources for beekeeper education > at: > http://pollinator.com/agricultural_education.htm > > I regard it as a pretty poor effort so far, and hope to get a much more > developed section in time > > You may wish also to go to http://airoot.com to check Who's Who in > Apiculture. Write to the university extension apiculturist of each state that > interests you for further info. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > I am going to continue my advanced education in Material Engineering/Plastics Engineering. However, I would like to continue my hobby "Beekeeping" in USA and also want to improve my experience in beekeeping. My concern is Honey production regions, What do you think about Texas/Houston? Thx, Abdulaziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391C77CA.4C84BAA7@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boiling Sugar Water References: <8epgov$sjp$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:25:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 958166734 24.24.11.216 (Fri, 12 May 2000 17:25:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:25:34 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24897 Allen Dick wrote: < ... > > Carmelization is fairly obvious by the flavour and brown colour. (... or: flavor... and... color.) Allen -- how do ya like that -- eh? My take on this: boiling _syrup_ supposedly causes some carmelization of the sugar, giving rise to certain indigestible products in it. Supposed to be bad for them. Maybe that applies more to syrup given for winter feed. (?) Never occurred to me to actually heat water to that extent for making syrup. Hot tap water seems to be hot enough. I wonder if syrup mixed up from water that has been boiled is less apt to ferment. In that case, maybe it would be worth (...or "wourth"?) the trouble... ; o) Article 24898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dr. Roger Morse Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:06:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <391c8d87.133382561@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24898 Dr. Roger Morse, Professor and Extension Specialist in Apiculture at Cornel University in Ithaca, New York, and the world, passed away in his sleep this morning. At his request there will be no public services. I knew Dr. Morse and enjoyed his talks immensely. The one quote of his I remember most is "Only in America can a beekeeper become a millionare." Greg the beekeep Article 24899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony N Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee folklore Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:01:58 +0200 Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Division of Electronic Engineering Lines: 21 Message-ID: <391BBA76.37AB1FA1@iet.hist.no> References: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 958118485 12098 158.38.51.37 (12 May 2000 08:01:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24899 Peter Sanderson wrote: > > .....that bees should not be bought but exchanged. Never heard this one. How does it go? We have a tradition/folklore rule that a knifemaker or anyone that makes a knife should never give one/it away even as a present but must always charge something for it or make an exchange, as otherwise the knife will always return eventually and harm its maker in some way (unspecified). cheers Tony Morgan -- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteammanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7004 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 24900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loosecannon59@netzero.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Would like info please Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:46:56 GMT Message-ID: <391beda0.165140584@news.nuthinbutnews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip64a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip64a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net X-Trace: 12 May 2000 03:41:20 true, ip64a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net Organization: NuthinButNews.com Lines: 6 X-Authenticated-User: 6617530 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!nntp.corpcomm.net!news.nuthinbutnews.com!ip64a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24900 I would like to start reading up/studying beekeeping. I've been semi-fascinated with it most of my life, but, sadly, all of the old time bee keepers around me have passed away. What books and web sites would be most beneficial to a hopeless newbie? Article 24901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <391BDE03.AA353C41@together.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:33:39 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing References: <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <9205-391AB06E-7@storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-84-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 12 May 2000 06:45:10 -0500, dial-84-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!Spacestar!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-84-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24901 Hey Bud. The sealed brood will hatch, giving the queen a place to lay. Mike John Partin wrote: > Mr. Palmer this is a very good post. I would like to know why you put > all the sealed brood down and the open brood up with the Ex. in the > middle. If you just make sure the Q was in the bottom and wait the nine > days would this not do the same thing. I am sure there is a good reason > for this because you say it works so good. One other thing in your idea > would this hive not keep on makeing honey because you left all the bees > except a few to take care of the queen and brood with the queed raisers. > They might make more because they had no brood to feed. > BUD Article 24902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Would like info please Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 2000 11:57:29 GMT References: <391beda0.165140584@news.nuthinbutnews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000512075729.21269.00002860@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24902 From: loosecannon59@netzero.net >What books and web sites would be most beneficial to a hopeless >newbie? Here's a good starting point: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Peter Sanderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee folklore Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:28:51 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 15 Sender: jps114@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <391BF903.3E98266A@york.ac.uk> References: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> <391BBA76.37AB1FA1@iet.hist.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: cst333.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 958134531 29244 144.32.9.12 (12 May 2000 12:28:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2000 12:28:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24903 Anthony N Morgan wrote: > > Peter Sanderson wrote: > > > > .....that bees should not be bought but exchanged. > > Never heard this one. How does it go? Apparently bees should never be sold. And if they are, then you should take care not to talk about the sale within range of the hive and they should be bought with gold coins. It is better to exchange the bees for something of equal value and the bees should be told that they have a new master. Article 24904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is Any Place Safe from Varroa? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:43:21 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 53 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust151.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8fgtpd$aok$1@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust151.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24904 The varroa news from NZ is hot these days. I wonder if those buying bees from other apparently varroa-free parts of the world have been checking to see if their packages are truly varroa-free, or just trusting that there is no varroa in imported packages from these areas. As for us, until now, we have just been taking the seller's word for it. I remember how, here in Alberta, varroa was found in some NZ bees a year or two back; then the finder blamed his sampling methods since he could not find more. In retrospect, he may have well been the one who first spotted the NZ varroa. Varroa is funny that way. It shows up, then further sampling may not reveal it for a long time, but it is there. As those who have been following my progress in my diary may know, we have some yards which received package bees from a certified varroa-free country. They were installed in a fairly remote location in hives with foundation only. The other day one of our workers mentioned that he saw signs of varroa, but though nothing further of it until we were talking and someone pointed out that those particular bees *should* be mite-free. Although we were not completely scrupulous about ensuring that no trucks or persons with bees from our other hives were in contact -- it was not a big priority -- we cannot think of any obvious ways that (m)any mites could have been transmitted to these hives in the four weeks since they were installed. The worker who thought he saw signs of mites returned to the site and did a 24 hour mite drop and came up with the two mites you can see in my diary. It is hard to be sure they are fresh, but they have the proper colour. One seems slightly immature. If so, the mites must have gotten in in the first week or so. The thing that strikes me is that if someone spotted the signs of mites by eye in the first place, either he is tremendously lucky and observant -- or there must be many more. Our provincial inspection people will be considering this and may -- or may not -- have some comments, but since the situation is uncontrolled, nothing can be proven very easily one way or the other. In the meantime, those who are blissfully thinking they have no exposure to varroa because they bought mite-free packages may want to get some Apistan and sticky boards and read up on varroa. It's not whether the varroa-free areas will someday have varroa, but when. If no one else is checking, a buyer may be the first to discover varroa in a far distant country. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Cell size, worker bee size, package installation & performance, winter loss, Fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, unwrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Over 1000 served Article 24905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Five Locations Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:40:14 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <8fh4p8$lj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000512124413.08500.00002447@ng-cs1.aol.com><8fhl54$iqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-12.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 958178425 85426 207.229.151.12 (13 May 2000 00:40:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2000 00:40:24 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24905 > and also want to improve my experience in beekeeping. My concern is Honey > production regions, What do you think about Texas/Houston? No need to guess on this one. It's all detailed in the March issue of the National Honey Market News at: http://www.beesource.com/news/nhmn/nhmn3_00.htm -Barry Article 24906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BLOWING SMOKE Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17630-391CA882-70@storefull-175.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR2DvJdUmC+oPQsCTL6AEWfuiXaJQIVAL+VzXBIonRH5cPZK4TnBqPdxKpG Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24906 I beekeep in Florida and run from 700 to 1000 hives. We have to move all of these bees three times a year. I have some real good friends from the north that are telling me that they can take the liquid smoke and smoke the whole yeard[30-80] hives one time and wait about 30 min. and load the yard with out getting off the loader again. They also say that they can do it in the daylight and not leave too many field bees. My age is telling on me and I sure do not like getting on and off a loader or working a lot at night. Has anyone else tried this. What do you think. BUD Article 24907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Kelly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8el0om$6q3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Combining? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:19:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.216.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 958180767 63.22.216.77 (Fri, 12 May 2000 18:19:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:19:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24907 wrote in message news:8el0om$6q3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I installed some package bees a few weeks ago, they didn't do so > good...they sort of look alive now that the weather is better, but even > though they move around and a few make it to the front to hang out they > are not out and flying on sunny days. (I open the lid and they crawl > around a little, that's all, on a sunny 60 degree day). The queen > didn't make it...I sprayed them lightly with sugar a few days ago > fearing they were starving due to the previous cold (they weren't > eating out of the jar)... > > Are they goners? Should I order another queen or a complete package. (I > don't want to give up...it looks like a fun hobby). Is there any hope > these barely moving bees will come back? If I order new ones and these > come back can they be joined? > > Thanks, > > Ron E. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I would contact the people you got the package from, they may replace the queen free. If they don't, I might not buy from them again. Yes you can combine this package with another, just put apiece of newspaper between this box and another box if you have one,and poke some small slits in the paper for ventilation. It's best to put the new one on top If you don't have acess to another hive body for the new package, I would suggest that you buy a new queen. Good luck. Article 24908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Kelly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Brood frames Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:19:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.216.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 958180776 63.22.216.77 (Fri, 12 May 2000 18:19:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:19:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24908 Vicky Campbell wrote in message news:8ekk0s$rpt$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com... > My brood chambers are now quite full with brood and I need to remove some > frames and put in new frames to make some space. > What can I do with the old frames? > I was thinking of putting a brood chamber on top of the crown board and > putting the old frames in this with dummy boards around them to make a kind > of mini nucleus, is this a good idea, or will it lead to problems? > Thanks > Vicky > > Article 24909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------648C2CBE64A67B5CD95792C1" Lines: 129 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:01:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.218.162 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 958183317 206.172.218.162 (Fri, 12 May 2000 22:01:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:01:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24909 --------------648C2CBE64A67B5CD95792C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hurry Now, first 10 Customers with orders over 75$ Can$ receive FREE shipping! 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--------------648C2CBE64A67B5CD95792C1-- Article 24910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top Five Locations Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:34:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8fh4p8$lj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 12 14:34:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24910 Hi every body, I have a questions. It is as follows: What are the top five states in USA that are appropriate and easy for keeping bees?, since I am going to continue my advanced education in USA starting in Fall 2000? That's all, Thx, Abdulaziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Five Locations Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 13 May 2000 02:33:43 GMT References: <8fhl54$iqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000512223343.09504.00002456@ng-cn1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24911 >I am going to continue my advanced education in Material Engineering/Plastics >Engineering. However, I would like to continue my hobby "Beekeeping" in USA >and also want to improve my experience in beekeeping. My concern is Honey >production regions, What do you think about Texas/Houston? > >Thx, Abdulaziz > > > Hi. I'm about 90 miles east of Houston and the honey production is great. We average around 200 lbs. a hive. Houston has a great bee association and many members to help you along. Write me if you have any questions. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee folklore Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 2000 02:41:40 GMT References: <391B43EC.BE31A9D0@york.ac.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000512224140.01781.00002144@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24912 >What other folklore is there and are there any websites about bee >folklore? There's been some pretty extensive discussion on folklore on this board. Why not search the archives? Here's a good place to start: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smoking the bees Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 2000 15:21:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000512112144.15503.00002313@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24913 Here is something I never considered before and curiosity has gotten me. When I smoke the bees and they all head for uncapped cells of honey/ripening nectar do they imbibe into the honey sac or their own stomache? What got me wondering was the fact that bees with no place to put nectar make wax temerature permitting. Could smoke enhance wax production? I know I should do something usefull like finding the lost hive tools before the mower does, but. . . Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Five Locations Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 2000 16:44:13 GMT References: <8fh4p8$lj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000512124413.08500.00002447@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24914 > What are the top five states in USA that are appropriate and easy for >keeping bees?, since I am going to continue my advanced education in USA Boy, that's a tough one, and would have to be qualified a bit. Are you looking for good schools for beekeeper education, or are you studying another field and keeping bees on the side? Are you thinking in terms of honey production, or pollination, or ? One thing, if you want to study beekeeping, is that many of our best agricultural universities only have one bee specialist. You may want to pick a good mentor, rather than worry about the school. On that basis, I'd suggest Keith Delaplane, Georgia; Tom Sanford, Florida; Nick Calderone, New York, Maryann Frazier, Pennsylvania. There are many others that could be on the list. Dewey Caron at Delaware is a good one in a small beekeeping state. You'll note that I'm biased to the east coast, as I don't know the west as well; western beekeepers please speak up.... As to states where beekeeping is a major industry, I'd probably list California first, Oregon, Washington, New York and Florida, though North Dakota & Minnisota would be close to making my list. I've made a start on trying to list some resources for beekeeper education at: http://pollinator.com/agricultural_education.htm I regard it as a pretty poor effort so far, and hope to get a much more developed section in time You may wish also to go to http://airoot.com to check Who's Who in Apiculture. Write to the university extension apiculturist of each state that interests you for further info. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391CE699.21D6333C@telusplanet.net> From: netcoman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Research article? - Two Queen Colony Management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 05:05:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.198.18 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 958194300 161.184.198.18 (Fri, 12 May 2000 23:05:00 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:05:00 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24915 I have been loking for the following article: Floyd E. Moeller Two-queen system of honey bee colony management Washinton D.C. Agriculture Reasearch Service U.S. Dept. of Agriculture Production research report; no. 161, April 1976 Would any of you fellow bee buffs have a copy of this? I have requested a copy via inter linbary loan, but I live in Alberta Canada, Who knows how long that will take?? Any help with the above article would be appreciated. Has anyone in the great white north had luck with two queen colonies? Article 24916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391BF74F.B28F82BF@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E6=CF=D2=CD=C9=D2=D5=C5=CD=20=D0=C1=CB=C5=D4=20=DA=C1=CB=C1=DA=CF=D7=20=CE=C1=20=CD=C5=C4?= 0629 39-53-55 References: <8ffohl$lr3$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 8 X-Trace: 9ngRkmwOWo52QiBj+qo0KPlNo3ZjDnmSw+Sm7EFAqS8bLbxySnlCJp452Leaqw3XkaCm1s8CdhT1!NYOTkfG4DLxHxM0DryHBPu1086Kn/hvrgcRmNws7Ripw9VcN7cksJJt15qURRitebxw4ut5E X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:01:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:01:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24916 Grigory Psaras wrote: > > áÇÒÏÆÉÒÍÁ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÔ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ ÎÁ ËÏÎÅà Á×ÇÕÓÔÁ 2000 Ç. What did you say? Louise Article 24917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ to eliminate Varroa? not yet... Date: 13 May 2000 06:30:17 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8fjarp$93h$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24917 In article , Peter Kerr wrote: > >If eradication is chosen, ferals, and all unregistered hives, will be >"depopulated" by slow release poison baits laid at 1 kilometre intervals >over the affected area. Registered hives would be killed on the spot, >woodware with the possible exception of brood frames could be re-used. The >cost of this is known and is included in the figure of NZ$50 million >published in local papers last week. Horticultural pollination services >for next season would be supplied by hives from outside the area being >brought in, then "depopulated" to be refilled for the following season. >Some would remain as controls to determine the success or otherwise of >eradication. Thanks for this fascinating report, Peter. Depopulation for Arthropods hasn't been very successful in the past. I'm amazed that it's even being considered. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BLOWING SMOKE Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:54:45 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 33 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust252.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8fjirk$3cl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <17630-391CA882-70@storefull-175.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust252.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24918 > I have some real good friends > from the north that are telling me that they can take the liquid smoke > and smoke the whole yard [30-80] hives one time and wait about 30 min. > and load the yard with out getting off the loader again. They also say > that they can do it in the daylight and not leave too many field bees. I'd be very interested to hear if anyone else has discovered this. We sometimes are able to load whole yards in the daytime, but that is usually during a rainy or cool period and/or when there is no significant flow on. We can do this sometimes in the spring and usually in the fall without even using smoke, but when dealing with strong colonies that are foraging, keeping the bees in can be tough. If the report is true, I wonder what the application method is? A little of the stuff in the entrance? What about cracks and holes? If it is that effective compared to real smoke that can circulate through the whole hive, why? Is it harmless to the bees? Will it work more than once on a trip, or do the bees get accustomed to it? If it is that persistent, how long does it suppress foraging? Enough to affect crops? Any technique that assists in daytime moving would be a real boon to those of us who would like to be able to work days in pollination season. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:00:50 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 17 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust252.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust252.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24919 > Hurry Now, first 10 Customers with orders over 75$ Can$ receive FREE shipping! In Canada, to the US or even International... I trust that all members of sci.agriculture.beekeeping will remember that the most effective way to discourage SPAM is to boycott the source. Please NEVER buy anything from any firm that posts blatant commercial advertisements to any USENET groupor targets you with unsolicited junk email. allen Article 24920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 206.40.120.136 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Package Bees - Losses Lines: 11 From: Dan Amann Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0bd7285c.5e8dd254@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com> Bytes: 418 X-Wren-Trace: eH5bc3JrLGYtOmt7ejBxV2BsZX59cztkfzx/eGMqNW4nNmovPm85IDwuKS0= Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:25:36 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.38 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 958225007 10.0.2.38 (Sat, 13 May 2000 06:36:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:36:47 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24920 Hello, I just installed five 2lb packages of bees into my hives. Each package contained about two cups of dead bees. Is this amount of loss normal? The bees were trucked from California to Wisconsin over a three day period. Thanks for your input. Dan * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att541!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees - Losses Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:27:47 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 36 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust155.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8fjrqf$j2l$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <0bd7285c.5e8dd254@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust155.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24921 > I just installed five 2lb packages of bees into my hives. Each > package contained about two cups of dead bees. Is this amount of > loss normal? I don't know about normal, but this is outside the acceptable range. Two cups of bees is a lot of dead bees. When you order 2 pounds of bees, you should get 2 lbs of *live* bees. . A two-pounder with that many dead bees may have been mishandled or started off with old bees. When that many are dead in a package, you wonder about the condition of the survivors. It is no coincidence that two-pounders are the smallest packages sold. You need 2 lbs -- minimum -- to establish a good colony. Sometimes we can get by with less, but even 2 lbs can be marginal. Three pounders are better and four-pounders are better yet. The 4 lb packages of bees shown at http://localhost/NewHoneyBee/Diary/Diary040100t.htm have an ounce or so of dead bees at most. These bees came all the way from Australia by air, then travelled by truck for 20 hours over the mountains. Who knows how far they were trucked in Oz or how long they sat waiting for the plane. The rule of thumb is that bees should be held in packages for a maximum of nine days if they are to perform well when installed. FWIW, we often weigh our packages before and after dumping them and found that most suppliers give honest measure. Most packages that are in good shape when shipped and are handled properly arrive with few dead. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties, interesting varroa find, and more... Article 24922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:05:01 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a6.f1 X-Server-Date: 12 May 2000 20:08:06 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24922 In article <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net>, beeman@kingston.net wrote: > Make sure there > is room for the queen to lay in the brood nest. I have put the second > super on here in Ontario, the first is over 1/4 full. > I'm wondering if my new queen from a swarm has room to lay in the brood nest... a lot, A LOT of the comb is filled with honey and/or nectar/pollen. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391D9A89.FA1DD33@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:09:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.218.220 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 958241340 206.172.218.220 (Sat, 13 May 2000 14:09:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:09:00 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24923 Dear Allen, I'm sorry that you find my email to be SPAM. I could see if I was soliciting something like life insurance or cable boxes. But I am trying to supply Beekeeping Equipment. And if I can offer a better price that you going to your local beekeeping supply store, how is that detrimental? The free shipping isn't a joke, and it isn't linked to anything else. I live on the border with the US, and I have seen the exorbinate markups that some bee supplies stores have on their merchandise they get from the US. I'm only trying to pass it on. I only have a minimal mark up on what I have because I have no overhead. If the people in the sci.agri.beekeeping group are the target audience audience that would most interested in what I have to offer, then why should you put it down. Just like getting flyers in the mail, you read the ones that interest you and throw away the ones that dont. I dont read everything from the Bee-l and the usenet groups, I only read the articles that intrest me, as I am sure alot of others do. If you find interest in it, then read it, if not, move on to the next. Allen Banks Sault Ste Marie, Ontario Allen Dick wrote: > > Hurry Now, first 10 Customers with orders over 75$ Can$ receive FREE > shipping! > In Canada, to the US or even International... > > I trust that all members of sci.agriculture.beekeeping will remember that > the most effective way to discourage > SPAM is to boycott the source. > > Please NEVER buy anything from any firm that posts blatant commercial > advertisements to any USENET groupor targets you with unsolicited junk > email. > > allen Article 24924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Washboarding Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 2000 18:57:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000513145723.08514.00002471@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24924 I've just posted a couple pics of bees washboarding at: http://pollinator.com/washboarding.htm If you haven't seen this strange bee-haviour before, here's your chance. Has anybody ever come up with a REAL explanation? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newspharm.inet.tele.dk.MISMATCH!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!news100.image.dk!news000.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Beeandnature.Dep" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen/natural selektion Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:52:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.237.0.239 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news000.worldonline.dk 958200738 213.237.0.239 (Sat, 13 May 2000 08:52:18 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:52:18 MET DST Organization: Customer of World Online Denmark A/S Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24925 Fore a some mounts ago I read an article in apiricultoral rec. abut queens. Some of my colleges I US, had try to see if they cut see on a queen if she where "garbed" white a needle or if she where made on a natural way. They cut see a difference. If it have any consekvenses they cut not tell yet.Is there any one here on this list, who now any thing abut, if the bees natural select wits egg or bee that will bee queen. It is a "dark" area in science, but werry interesting. We are abut to start some experiment up here in this summer to see if wee cut see any difference in quality on queens make white grafting or in a more natural way. Regards Flemming Rasmussen. Bee and nature. Dep. Denmark. Article 24926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Kent Oakley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E6=CF=D2=CD=C9=D2=D5=C5=CD=20=D0=C1=CB=C5=D4=20=DA=C1=CB=C1=DA=CF=D7=20=CE=C1=20=CD=C5=C4?= 0629 39-53-55 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:50:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8fiu0d$ui6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ffohl$lr3$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> <391BF74F.B28F82BF@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.63.145 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 13 06:50:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.63.145 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24926 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > Grigory Psaras wrote: > > > > áÇÒÏÆÉÒÍÁ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÔ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ ÎÁ ËÏÎÅà Á×ÇÕÓÔÁ 2000 Ç. > > What did you say? He said, "áÇÒÏÆÉÒÍÁ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÔ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ ÎÁ ËÏÎÅà Á×ÇÕÓÔÁ 2000 Ç." ;-) I don't read Russian or any other language written with the Cyrillic alphabet, but if you reset your browser to view messages encoded in Cyrillic, this looks pretty much like a real sentence. -- Paul Kent Oakley, The Sabine Farm, Ava, Illinois, USA ~73 miles SE of St.Louis / ~25 miles NW of Carbondale USDA Winter Har Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen/natural selektion Date: 13 May 2000 06:35:27 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8fjb5f$eh3$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24927 In article , Beeandnature.Dep wrote: >Fore a some mounts ago I read an article in apiricultoral rec. abut queens. >Some of my colleges I US, had try to see if they cut see on a queen if she >where "garbed" white a needle or if she where made on a natural way. They >cut see a difference. If it have any consekvenses they cut not tell yet.Is >there any one here on this list, who now any thing abut, if the bees natural >select wits egg or bee that will bee queen. It is a "dark" area in science, >but werry interesting. We are abut to start some experiment up here in this >summer to see if wee cut see any difference in quality on queens make white >grafting or in a more natural way. Hi Flemming, I cannot understand your query. Would you post again please? Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: 13 May 2000 07:01:12 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24928 In article , George Styer wrote: >Jeez, I have to quit posting when I should be working. I left out a critical >generation. In my example the breeder I bought would have been a hybrid. >Isn't this what the USDA essentially did, release hybrid breeder stock? Hi. "Hybrid" connotes crossing two inbred homozygous lines to produce a heterozygous line with a dominant phenotype. Did the USDA do this? Or did they cross lines. I thought they selected stock from various regions, trialed those stocks, and what they though would combine best, they planned to cross on the island, with the commercial cooperator. Is this correct? Color inheritance in honeybees is still somewhat undefined. You know, all those research dollars pouring in for honey bee genetics! From what we've gleaned from the literature and experience, unless one is working with a very isolated line, or in an isolated area, to give some base homogenaiety to the population, using color to predict ancestry is not very accurate. Drone color seems much more indicative of a specific ancestry. However, a "Carniolan" drone looks very similar to a "Buckfast" drone. Brother Adam, in _Breeding The Honey Bee_ and Friedrich Ruttner in _Breeding Techniques and Selection for Breeding of the Honeybee_ discuss color inheritance and selection using color as a parental marker, as does Steve Taber in _Breeding Super Bees_. Tom Rinderer's honey bee genetics book, _Bee Genetics and Breeding_, covers the genetic mechanics of color inheritance, thoroughly. When you see fifty to one-hundred queens from a single breeder, you notice the color variations more readily. There is quite a spectrum. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen/natural selektion Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 2000 11:28:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000513072853.08515.00002387@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24929 >Fore a some mounts ago I read an article in apiricultoral rec. abut queens. >Some of my colleges I US, had try to see if they cut see on a queen if she >where "garbed" white a needle or if she where made on a natural way. They >cut see a difference. If it have any consekvenses they cut not tell yet.Is >there any one here on this list, who now any thing abut, if the bees natural >select wits egg or bee that will bee queen. It is a "dark" area in science, >but werry interesting. We are abut to start some experiment up here in this >summer to see if wee cut see any difference in quality on queens make white >grafting or in a more natural way. Grafting queens will work fine, if you are careful not to injure the larvae. I don't know of anyone who grafts eggs. I use a larva that is just a few hours old, and it works fine. There are several systems now marketed for small numbers of queens that do not require grafting. The Jenter system comes to mind, though I know there are others. I haven't tried any of these, but they are popular with hobby beekeepers. You can find these in bee catalogs. I see Mann Lake has one, though I don't know anything about that particular system: http://www.mannlakeltd.com/catalog/index.htm Basically they have figured out some kind of mechanical way to take regular cells with eggs, and position them into vertical cells so that the bees will draw out the cells as queen cells. I am a miser, so I just graft. If I don't have a grafting needle, a toothpick or a bent wire will work. It does require good eyes, and a steady hand. My eyes aren't what they used to be, so I don't graft as much. I find it helps, if I shave off about half the depth of the comb with a razor before trying to reach into the cells. Glad to see you here. I hope you find this group is a help to your beekeeping efforts. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dr. Roger Morse Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 2000 11:33:02 GMT References: <391c8d87.133382561@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000513073302.08502.00002468@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24930 >Dr. Roger Morse, Professor and Extension Specialist in Apiculture at >Cornel University in Ithaca, New York, and the world, passed away Dr. Morse was one of my mentors, as I've heard him give many talks, and have read most of his many books and articles on beekeeping. He was always patient, encouraging, and helpful. He has also read some of my writings and offered suggestions. Many of the leading bee people today were at one time his students. Dr. Morse grew up in a beekeeping family, as his father was a well-known beekeeper who frequently wrote articles for beekeeping periodicals. Dr. Morse and his grad students were always deeply involved in cutting-edge research on bee topics. He was a leader in fruit pollination experimentation and education, and much of the material that I've compiled on pollination, I owe to him. Dr. Morse was one of the few bee officials I've ever met, that had the courage to call pesticide label violations, and his influence helped greatly to reduce those violations. I remember discussing some peculiar bee-havior with him once, and we turned over several ideas, none of which were very satisfying. Then he got a kind of crooked grin and said, "I know what's the problem. They haven't read my book!" I regarded him as a friend as well as mentor, and I will miss him. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Lines: 43 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:19:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958245566 12.72.48.112 (Sat, 13 May 2000 19:19:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:19:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24931 Allen Dick calls SPAM what it is. None of the other suppliers use the group for marketing their target. Brushy Mountain used to but I have not seen any SPAM from them in quite a long time. I have been silent on this but have added workerbee@honeyroad.com to my filter since Allen Banks never seems to have anything non-commercial to present to the group. I can do this without affecting anyone else that may want to receive SPAM, but the question needs to be asked: "What does the charter of the group say about this?" So I pose the question to Adam. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net... > > Hurry Now, first 10 Customers with orders over 75$ Can$ receive FREE > shipping! > In Canada, to the US or even International... > > I trust that all members of sci.agriculture.beekeeping will remember that > the most effective way to discourage > SPAM is to boycott the source. > > Please NEVER buy anything from any firm that posts blatant commercial > advertisements to any USENET groupor targets you with unsolicited junk > email. > > allen > > > > Article 24932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!saturn.ipass.net!not-for-mail From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What does a queen look like? Message-ID: <391daa25.2296891@news.ipass.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:18:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.170.134.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipass.net X-Trace: saturn.ipass.net 958245647 209.170.134.82 (Sat, 13 May 2000 15:20:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:20:47 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24932 Hey, I'm new to beekeeping, being forced into it last year when my wife and I captured a swarm. Question: What does the queen look like? I've seen zillions of drones. Can someone give exact discriptions of queens? Can someone direct me to a picture of a queen on the net? Thanks. Brian Article 24933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does a queen look like? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 2000 20:15:31 GMT References: <391daa25.2296891@news.ipass.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000513161531.15496.00002614@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24933 From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) >Can >someone direct me to a picture of a queen on the net? > On our old pollination page: http://members.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does a queen look like? Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:32:35 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8fkebk$a8t$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <391daa25.2296891@news.ipass.net> <20000513161531.15496.00002614@ng-fm1.aol.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 958250164 10525 204.216.255.92 (13 May 2000 20:36:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24934 Is that typical for the queen not to have "hair" on the portion of her body behind her head, while the workers do? Dave Green wrote in message news:20000513161531.15496.00002614@ng-fm1.aol.com... > From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) > > >Can > >someone direct me to a picture of a queen on the net? > > > On our old pollination page: > http://members.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:47:18 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 71 Message-ID: <8fkf76$b9s$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8f83sv$1qj$1@thoth.cts.com> <8f9p38$qu5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net> <8fgpsv$kkb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 958251046 11580 204.216.255.92 (13 May 2000 20:50:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24935 Well, thanks for the help. Here is the status. I went out on Thursday evening. The hive was in a big box that had to be pulled open with a crow bar. Once inside the box, approximately 3 feet square, I found it was filled with "shelves" three inches apart standing on end. Almost like a hive but with the comb against the shelves. I tried to find the queen, pulling out each shelf, but the weight of the comb would make the comb fall from the shelf as I pulled up on the shelf and it would collapse onto itself. I found a lot of brood, that was almost black in color and tons of honey. I found a clump of bees that looked like it contained the queen and put some brood and honey with the clump in a super. I put the hive in a good weather location. Things looked promising to an extent. I left the super at his house to return in a few days. He called me on Friday to say that coyotes had found the hive and knocked it down (how common is this?). There were paw prints around. So, I learned a lot about bees on Thursday. Hopefully the girls can recover. Thanks to all for the advice. Dave wrote in message news:8fgpsv$kkb$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8ffjdv$hj2$1@news.smartworld.net>, > "Allen Dick" wrote: > > > Early evening is a good time but you will probably lose all of > them > > > if you only move them a few hundred feet. Foragers will take off > from > > > the new location without doing orientation flights and will return > to > > > the old location. I routinely break the 3 mile rule by bringing home > > > swarms from 1 1/2 to 2 miles away. So far none have gone back but I > > > think a few hundred feet is too close. > > > > Bees that have swarmed immediately 'forget' their former location no > matter > > how near or far it is from where you hive them. > > > > The danger of loss is that once hived, they may 1.) still have a > location > > picked out and go there at the next opportunity -- or 2.) they may > have lost > > their queen and return home to wait and swarm again as soon as a new > queen > > is available. > > > > Therefore, it is good practice to 1.) move them a long way or 2.) > keep them > > confined for a while until settled and the queen starts laying or to > 3.) > > give them a frame of young brood and eggs. > > > > If you confine them, the best way is by putting the hive in a totally > dark > > and cool place for a day or two, not by screening which can suffocate > them. > > > > allen > > > I agree, Allen, and like your other advice, but the bees in question > are a colony, not a swarm. I got the impression that they had been in > place for quite some time since they had comb. > Anyway, Thursday has passed so maybe we'll find out what happened. > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Message-ID: <958252116@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:46:42 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9194e633 REPLY: 240:44/0 3f0d0eb4 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(177) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 958256301 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24936 Drone larvae are pretty bland and tasteless raw. I haven't tried them cooked. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeder for top bar hive Message-ID: <958252115@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:37:48 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9194c4c7 REPLY: 240:44/0 06ed541f PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(177) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 958256295 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24937 Try a lump of fondant or a wet bag of sugar in the back end of the hive. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Message-ID: <958252114@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:33:46 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9194b5b0 REPLY: 240:44/0 aabb042c PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(177) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 958256288 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24938 An alternative method is to use an eke. This is a simple 4 sided box the same size as your brood boxes but about 3 inches or so deep. This goes between the floor and the brood box. The bees will extend their combs downward into this space nd most of it will be drone. If they can build drone there they will be less inclined to convert worker foundation to drone. At each inspection take a bucket (with a lid) with you and break or slice off any such extensions with mainly sealed drone brood. Recycle the wax. This is not the complete answer to varroa but can form a valid part to an IPM system. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee folklore Message-ID: <958252117@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:11:02 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 91a0297b REPLY: 240:44/0 d60012cd PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(177) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 958256309 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24939 You should never pay for bees except with gold Lupin time is swarming time Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391DF9C5.6B9AC5A6@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:57:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 958265823 24.112.111.157 (Sat, 13 May 2000 17:57:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:57:03 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24940 Allen, I think it is a little strange that Al posts his commercial operation on this group, but I do not agree that it is SPAM. It has everything to do with bees and beekeeping. Maybe not in the best of taste, netiquette wise, but I fail to see the reason to hang him! I have purchased some stuff from him, he is an okay guy. Regards, Glen. PS - Real spammers should be publicly executed! I have received more spam through my e-mail since joining this newsgroup than I have in the last 2 years from any other source! Allen Dick wrote: > > > Hurry Now, first 10 Customers with orders over 75$ Can$ receive FREE > shipping! > In Canada, to the US or even International... > > I trust that all members of sci.agriculture.beekeeping will remember that > the most effective way to discourage > SPAM is to boycott the source. > > Please NEVER buy anything from any firm that posts blatant commercial > advertisements to any USENET groupor targets you with unsolicited junk > email. > > allen Article 24941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: carniolan@webtv.net (old drone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does a queen look like? Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19836-391E0059-43@storefull-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <391daa25.2296891@news.ipass.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQEWmPdAH12auvmq2XD/dxULB0AMQIUM2f9TvLbBv5SNGxIYN46JghZKV8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24941 You may not have a queen if this is the same swarm and there are a zillion drones. Do you have any brood in your hive? Article 24942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washboarding Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 2000 02:38:07 GMT References: <20000513145723.08514.00002471@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000513223807.24923.00002473@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24942 Happy bees dancing. Anybody ever see anything besides a good strong colony doing this? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black Army Ants... Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 45 Message-ID: <22100-391E1EA0-106@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-28416-3578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQZA/6Gb5waVVjG0a7cFmxPa0mHlAIUcSFSL0keGiDe45bBfE3zKEAg8bc= Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=darkturquoise Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24943 --WebTV-Mail-28416-3578 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Guys, Brand new at beekeeping. Have one humble little hive. I've been outside watching every spare minute I get. Question is...black army ants are attempting to get into the hive. I've noticed the guard bees clumping around the entrance to the hive. Should I be concerned, or will bees pretty much handle it on their own? 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Image by FlamingText.com --WebTV-Mail-28416-3578-- Article 24944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!uky.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!saturn.ipass.net!not-for-mail From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does a queen look like? Message-ID: <391e2042.174048@news.ipass.net> References: <391daa25.2296891@news.ipass.net> <19836-391E0059-43@storefull-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 03:46:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.170.134.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipass.net X-Trace: saturn.ipass.net 958276099 209.170.134.93 (Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:19 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24944 On Sat, 13 May 2000 18:24:41 -0700 (PDT), carniolan@webtv.net (old drone) wrote: >You may not have a queen if this is the same swarm and there are a >zillion drones. > >Do you have any brood in your hive? > We definitely have a queen, or at least used to. We captured the swarm last year and they did so well that they swarmed last week. Wish I had some bait hives ready, but just not in time. They grouped on a tree about 60 feet away. Unfortunately, they were up around 30 feet in the air. They were only in a group for about two hours before they flew off. Couldn't keep up with them as they went into a bunch of trees. They remaining hive, I assume, has a queen. I've seen a lot of drones, but I don't know what to look for with the queen. I thought that I might have seen her leave the hive two days ago (5 days after the swarm left) for her to go on her mating flight. But I only saw a very big bee that was particularly hairy for about 1-2 seconds before she flew off. Is it likely that the hive will swarm again? The bess have been bringing back pollen, but it's been so hot here in NC that they been hanging out on the outside of the hive. Not thousands, but maybe a hundred or so at the most. Any suggestions? Brian Article 24945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!uky.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!saturn.ipass.net!not-for-mail From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does a queen look like? Message-ID: <391e227a.742141@news.ipass.net> References: <391daa25.2296891@news.ipass.net> <20000513161531.15496.00002614@ng-fm1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 03:51:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.170.134.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipass.net X-Trace: saturn.ipass.net 958276426 209.170.134.93 (Sat, 13 May 2000 23:53:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:53:46 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24945 On 13 May 2000 20:15:31 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) > >>Can >>someone direct me to a picture of a queen on the net? >> >On our old pollination page: >http://members.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Thanks for the link. But the picture's a little dark and I can't really see any distiguishing characteristics. Any better photos of a queen? Do very young queens (<3 weeks) look different that older ones? Brian Article 24946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Army Ants... Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:32:20 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 102 Message-ID: <8flaf8$16k9$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <22100-391E1EA0-106@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFBD22.B7FB4A20" X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 958278953 39561 204.216.255.92 (14 May 2000 04:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24946 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFBD22.B7FB4A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have my hive on a stand and put grease around each leg in a band about = 1" wide. That keeps the ants away without the risk of killing the bees = that I would have with pesticides. I live in Southern California and = have been warned many times of the danger of ants. I don't know if it = is the same for you. The grease has worked well though. Melissa wrote in message = news:22100-391E1EA0-106@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net... Hi Guys, Brand new at beekeeping. Have one humble little hive. I've been outside watching every spare minute I get. Question is...black army ants are attempting to get into the hive. I've noticed the guard bees clumping around the entrance to the hive. Should I be concerned, or will bees pretty much handle it on their own? Mother Hen here trying = to defend her hive. Thanks, Melissa -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =20 Image by FlamingText.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFBD22.B7FB4A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have my hive on a stand and put grease = around each=20 leg in a band about 1" wide.  That keeps the ants away without = the=20 risk of killing the bees that I would have with pesticides.  I live = in=20 Southern California and have been warned many times of the danger of = ants. =20 I don't know if it is the same for you.  The grease has worked well = though.
 
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Hi=20 Guys,

Brand new at beekeeping.  Have one humble little = hive. =20 I've been
outside watching every spare minute I get.  Question = is...black army
ants are attempting to get into the hive.  = I've=20 noticed the guard bees
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Image by FlamingText.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFBD22.B7FB4A20-- Article 24947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!world!aedwards From: aedwards@world.std.com (Arthur Edwards) Subject: Strange behavior of bees at out back window Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:57:44 GMT Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24947 We live near Boston and our kitchen at the back of our home faces some deep woods. For several years we have notice one or two bees hovering for hours by our kitchen window during the warm and hot days. I don't know how long bees live but I would not be surprised if this was the same bee that we have seen for years. It's behavior is the same, hovering near the window and then looking for openings in the roof above. I thought at a time it had a nest but am rather certain there is none. In any case, can someone suggest what's going on? Article 24948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Army Ants... Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:05:37 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4300-391E9691-10@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8flaf8$16k9$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-12281-246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAlsfIgoqy0sC7lL/gYZXQVU9BmbcCFQCnBH939d4FxADowU0QGgPtOhuREA== Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=darkturquoise Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24948 --WebTV-Mail-12281-246 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Thanks so much, Dave, for your reply. I'll give that a try. We live in Southern Louisiana, and do have problems here with ants as well. Happy BeeKeeping! Melissa --WebTV-Mail-12281-246 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Image by FlamingText.com
Image by FlamingText.com --WebTV-Mail-12281-246-- Article 24949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!news-sender.satin.net!backpost.satin.net!news.IT.net!not-for-mail From: George MuAmmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:28:31 +0200 Organization: ITnet S.p.A. is not responsible of the content of this article as posted by one of its customers. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <391E9BEF.2BC3C7AE@fabaris.it> References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> <8f8q4q$b8l$2@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.141.55.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.IT.net 958306962 20309 212.141.55.35 (14 May 2000 12:22:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@IT.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2000 12:22:42 GMT To: Pamela Buckle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24949 Another disadvantage is that it doesn't solve the problem! It allows you to avoid chemicals close to the honey picking season, but you will still have to treat them in winter! George Pamela Buckle wrote: > > I'm told they are OK fried as an hors d'oevre. Look on the Varroa as an > added condiment! > Martin. > > Dave Green wrote in message > news:20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com... > > From: "Mike Geis" mgeis@columbus.xxxrr.com > > > > > > >The idea is to control varroa by destroying drone comb cells in which > > >females have laid their eggs. > > > > You don't have to destroy them. They make great bream bait... > > > > > > > >The obvious advantage of this system is that it is chemical free. What I > > >don't know is the disadvantages. > > > > Very labor intensive. > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 weeks after swarm Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:15:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <391EA6EE.70F20226@kingston.net> References: <3917B7EB.6FF22A22@usol.com> <3918BD11.10A3BA4@kingston.net> <391A581B.FBE26263@usol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24950 Well, my information says a queen can mate 6-20 queens during one flight and she may return to the mating area to continue. But successful mating requires temps to be above 20c and winds less then 20km/hr. So I guess 1 to 3 days would be a good guess. There is a good flow on right now with the maples and dandelions out here in eastern Ontario. Kent Article 24951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391E9B24.3660336D@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washboarding References: <20000513145723.08514.00002471@ng-cs1.aol.com> <20000513223807.24923.00002473@ng-cc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:24:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 958307052 204.186.179.55 (Sun, 14 May 2000 08:24:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:24:12 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24951 I observed this in a hive that was queenless. The hive was medium strength and the behavior stopped once they accepted a new queen. The other hives in the apiary were working very hard on a strong flow but this hive was lethargic except for the wasboarding. I've seen a little of this behavior, perhaps 1-2 dozen bees, in otherwise normal hives but not to the extent that the queenless hive exhibited. Article 24952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange behavior of bees at out back window Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 2000 15:59:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000514115957.24686.00004571@nso-fz.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24952 If they are bee, they will be different each year. Bees and wasps do not live that long as individuals. You might take a closer look at the outside of your house for small openning that wasps and bees might be interested in exploring as a potential Home. There may be an odor or color in the paint or siding that, for some reason, is attractive as well. Do you know the history of your house? If there has been a honeybee nest built in the wall of that area of your house and covered over intead of removed completely, there may be a residual odor that is attracting the insects to that part of your house each year trying to find the location. If there is a history of this, you may also want to look around that area for ants and other insects that have made a path into your house wall to eat the remains of the hive that is there hidden there. Can you describe in more detail what these bees look like? If it can be identified, I might be able to provide I better explanation as to what is going on. Article 24953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Appologies Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 62 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:04:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.194 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 958334682 206.172.183.194 (Sun, 14 May 2000 16:04:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:04:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24953 Hello All, I am sorry if my post has offended or upset anyone by it's nature. Yes, I suppose my posting is commercial, but i'm only a small time hobby beekeeper trying to make a go of it. By no means was I going to be making my fortune. I did not think that anyone would take offense to it. I saw a posting a few months back asking if their were any online stores offering beekeeping equipment. This got the idea going, and I though you in the group would be interested. I have only a limited time to offer free shipping, and tried to get the message out to as many as possible so it could be taken advantage of. Once again, my humble apologies, I will not SPAM again. And in answer to your statement George that I have not had anything noncommercial to say, that is wrong, I have participated in the past with numerous discussions and I am the list master of the Beekeeping @ ICQ group. Allen Banks ps. Thank Glen for the kind words George Styer wrote: > Allen Dick calls SPAM what it is. > > None of the other suppliers use the group for marketing their target. 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Contact us: av@rada1.saratov.su Tel +7 8452 52 5757 (we speak English) Article 24956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washboarding Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:52:47 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <391F121F.CBDB076D@club-internet.fr> References: <20000513145723.08514.00002471@ng-cs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-63-105.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 958337884 27535 213.44.63.105 (14 May 2000 20:58:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2000 20:58:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24956 Dave,
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Peter Article 24957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:56:13 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <391F12ED.CD839467@club-internet.fr> References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> <8f8q4q$b8l$2@lure.pipex.net> <391E9BEF.2BC3C7AE@fabaris.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-63-105.wly.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 958338089 27535 213.44.63.105 (14 May 2000 21:01:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2000 21:01:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24957 Drone trapping- great if you can visit at the right time!- if not you finish up with a rapid increase in the number of mites in the hive after the drones have emerged from their cells- take care!!
Peter Article 24958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange behavior of bees at out back window Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 2000 21:08:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000514170813.21271.00003114@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24958 >For several years we have notice one or two bees hovering >for hours by our kitchen window during the warm and hot days. I don't If it's a big bee with a black butt, you have a drone carpenter bee guarding his turf. When you go out, does he come to investigate? Drones will checkout anything that moves in the area. They are valuable pollinators and should be protected as much as possible. They are no threat to you; drones can't sting, and the females will pay not attention to you. The females nest in softwood, with a single hole to lay their eggs in, and this leads some people to consider them a pest. But most of the horror stories you hear, of soffit boards riddled with holes are a result of someone poisoning the nests, and forcing the females to drill new holes each time. If they are unmolested, they will use the same nest sites year after year. I have a building which has been home to carpenter bees for 40 years, with no serious damage. We welcome them back each spring; the carpenter bees are a sure sign that spring is really here. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agroweb-hispana.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:56:14 +0200 Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.59.201.175 Message-ID: <391f20da_3@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 14 May 2000 23:55:38 +0100, 212.59.201.175 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es!212.59.201.175 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24959 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, os anuncia dos excelentes noticias: 1) Poseemos nuestro propio dominio, más fácil de recordar: http://www.agroweb-hispana.com 2) Hemos superado la barrera de las 4.000 visitas mensuales, ascendiendo el total de visitas desde que se creo el espacio a 31.413. 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Article 24960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Sting Question - What is Normal Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:59:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 14 22:59:28 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24960 I think this is in the range of normal but my wife and mother want me to check so figured I would ask (seeing its mother's day) I got stung good two days ago on my finger...my hand swelled up fri night and sat, and my wrist today...not really painful just really swollen and seems to have moved from just hand to hand and arm... How long should the swelling last...is more than 48 hours normal or do they normally last longer (most of the stings I get don't puff up like this, but this one got me good, also want to make sure it really is the sting and not an infection from when i scraped out the stinger)...anyway i guess i am asking what is the normal amount of time for the extreme sweelign to last (hours, days, etc) Thanks Ron E. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Appologies Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Message-ID: References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 56 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:29:38 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:25:02 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24961 Not to worry, dude. Say, you don't stock any top bar hive stuff do you? It might be nice to buy professionally made top bars with a neat strip of bakelite down the middle. Maybe they could have spine-like dealies built in so as to give the comb a little more stability, but what do I know? In article <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com>, workerbee@honeyroad.com says... > Hello All, > > I am sorry if my post has offended or upset anyone by it's nature. Yes, I > suppose my posting is commercial, but i'm only a small time hobby beekeeper > trying to make a go of it. By no means was I going to be making my fortune. I > did not think that anyone would take offense to it. I saw a posting a few > months back asking if their were any online stores offering beekeeping > equipment. This got the idea going, and I though you in the group would be > interested. I have only a limited time to offer free shipping, and tried to get > the message out to as many as possible so it could be taken advantage of. Once > again, my humble apologies, I will not SPAM again. And in answer to your > statement George that I have not had anything noncommercial to say, that is > wrong, I have participated in the past with numerous discussions and I am the > list master of the Beekeeping @ ICQ group. > > Allen Banks > > ps. Thank Glen for the kind words > > George Styer wrote: > > > Allen Dick calls SPAM what it is. > > > > None of the other suppliers use the group for marketing their target. Brushy > > Mountain used to but I have not seen any SPAM from them in quite a long > > time. > > > > I have been silent on this but have added workerbee@honeyroad.com to my > > filter since Allen Banks never seems to have anything non-commercial to > > present to the group. I can do this without affecting anyone else that may > > want to receive SPAM, but the question needs to be asked: "What does the > > charter of the group say about this?" > > > > So I pose the question to Adam. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > "Allen Dick" wrote in message > > news:8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net... > > > > Hurry Now, first 10 Customers with orders over 75$ Can$ receive FREE > > > shipping! > > > In Canada, to the US or even International... > > > > > > I trust that all members of sci.agriculture.beekeeping will remember that > > > the most effective way to discourage Article 24962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Appologies Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:34:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <391f28bc.3943889@news1.radix.net> References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24962 On Sun, 14 May 2000 20:04:42 GMT, workerbee@honeyroad.com wrote: >Hello All, > > I am sorry if my post has offended or upset anyone by it's nature. Yes, I >suppose my posting is commercial, but i'm only a small time hobby beekeeper >trying to make a go of it. By no means was I going to be making my fortune. I >did not think that anyone would take offense to it. I saw a posting a few >months back asking if their were any online stores offering beekeeping >equipment. This got the idea going, and I though you in the group would be >interested. I have only a limited time to offer free shipping, and tried to get >the message out to as many as possible so it could be taken advantage of. Once >again, my humble apologies, I will not SPAM again. And in answer to your >statement George that I have not had anything noncommercial to say, that is >wrong, I have participated in the past with numerous discussions and I am the >list master of the Beekeeping @ ICQ group. > >Allen Banks > No appology is necessary. If they don't like they can click their mouse elsewhere. This is use net and it's free and open for all. If they didn't whine about you they would have whined about some other trivial thing. If somebody opened up a supply shop near me I would want to know about it. If they don't like it they can go join a moderated group. Greg the beekeep Article 24963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange behavior of bees at out back window Message-ID: References: <20000514170813.21271.00003114@ng-ff1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 17 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:35:30 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:30:54 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24963 Whew! Thanks for the timely info., Dave; I had been thinking of that urban legeng about carpenter bees ruining barns and now I know not to do anything. Mine are moderately curious, but so far they have been willing to live and let live when I am out there on the patio with them. They liked my Wisteria flowers. In article <20000514170813.21271.00003114@ng-ff1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam says... > But most of the horror stories you hear, of soffit boards riddled with holes > are a result of someone poisoning the nests, and forcing the females to drill > new holes each time. If they are unmolested, they will use the same nest sites > year after year. I have a building which has been home to carpenter bees for > 40 years, with no serious damage. We welcome them back each spring; the > carpenter bees are a sure sign that spring is really here. > > Article 24964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting Question - What is Normal Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:05:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <8fnf00$if8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.68 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 15 00:05:26 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.68 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24964 In article <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > I think this is in the range of normal but my wife and mother want me > to check so figured I would ask (seeing its mother's day) > > I got stung good two days ago on my finger...my hand swelled up fri > night and sat, and my wrist today...not really painful just really > swollen and seems to have moved from just hand to hand and arm... > > How long should the swelling last...is more than 48 hours normal or do > they normally last longer (most of the stings I get don't puff up like > this, but this one got me good, also want to make sure it really is the > sting and not an infection from when i scraped out the > stinger)...anyway i guess i am asking what is the normal amount of time > for the extreme sweelign to last (hours, days, etc) > > Thanks > > Ron E. > Dear Ron, Sounds normal to me, don't worry, be happy! LOL Seriously, there are far too many variables in bee stings to say what is normal other than some pain and swelling is normal. One very significant variable is whether it is a guard bee or some other worker. In 1998 a bee stung a finger on my right hand and both palms started itching. After a couple of hours my hand looked like a rubber glove balloon. Three days later my arm was about 3 times normal size from the elbow down. Then the swelling began to subside. I got 4 or 5 more stings that year with less severe effects. Then in 1999 the first sting on a finger on the left hand caused similar swelling but it only reached the middle of my forearm before going down. My conclusion was that I needed a lot more bee stings to become immune to them. We started keeping two hives in 1999 and I knew some stings would happen. My plan is working fine. Now there is less pain, even from guard bees most of the time, and practically no swelling. So get several a day and then determine what is normal for you. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting Question - What is Normal Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:12:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 66 Message-ID: <8fnfdi$j09$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fnf00$if8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 15 00:12:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24965 Thanks Herb, Pass it on to my wife..and will BEE happy!!! Ron E. In article <8fnf00$if8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > I think this is in the range of normal but my wife and mother want me > > to check so figured I would ask (seeing its mother's day) > > > > I got stung good two days ago on my finger...my hand swelled up fri > > night and sat, and my wrist today...not really painful just really > > swollen and seems to have moved from just hand to hand and arm... > > > > How long should the swelling last...is more than 48 hours normal or do > > they normally last longer (most of the stings I get don't puff up like > > this, but this one got me good, also want to make sure it really is > the > > sting and not an infection from when i scraped out the > > stinger)...anyway i guess i am asking what is the normal amount of > time > > for the extreme sweelign to last (hours, days, etc) > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron E. > > > > Dear Ron, > > Sounds normal to me, don't worry, be happy! LOL > > Seriously, there are far too many variables in bee stings to say > what is normal other than some pain and swelling is normal. One very > significant variable is whether it is a guard bee or some other worker. > In 1998 a bee stung a finger on my right hand and both palms started > itching. After a couple of hours my hand looked like a rubber glove > balloon. Three days later my arm was about 3 times normal size from the > elbow down. Then the swelling began to subside. I got 4 or 5 more > stings that year with less severe effects. > Then in 1999 the first sting on a finger on the left hand caused > similar swelling but it only reached the middle of my forearm before > going down. My conclusion was that I needed a lot more bee stings to > become immune to them. We started keeping two hives in 1999 and I knew > some stings would happen. My plan is working fine. Now there is less > pain, even from guard bees most of the time, and practically no > swelling. So get several a day and then determine what is normal for > you. > Herb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting Question - What is Normal Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:55:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 66 Message-ID: <8fnht9$lfp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fnf00$if8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 15 00:55:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24966 Thanks Herb, Pass it on to my wife..and will BEE happy!!! Ron E. In article <8fnf00$if8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > I think this is in the range of normal but my wife and mother want me > > to check so figured I would ask (seeing its mother's day) > > > > I got stung good two days ago on my finger...my hand swelled up fri > > night and sat, and my wrist today...not really painful just really > > swollen and seems to have moved from just hand to hand and arm... > > > > How long should the swelling last...is more than 48 hours normal or do > > they normally last longer (most of the stings I get don't puff up like > > this, but this one got me good, also want to make sure it really is > the > > sting and not an infection from when i scraped out the > > stinger)...anyway i guess i am asking what is the normal amount of > time > > for the extreme sweelign to last (hours, days, etc) > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron E. > > > > Dear Ron, > > Sounds normal to me, don't worry, be happy! LOL > > Seriously, there are far too many variables in bee stings to say > what is normal other than some pain and swelling is normal. One very > significant variable is whether it is a guard bee or some other worker. > In 1998 a bee stung a finger on my right hand and both palms started > itching. After a couple of hours my hand looked like a rubber glove > balloon. Three days later my arm was about 3 times normal size from the > elbow down. Then the swelling began to subside. I got 4 or 5 more > stings that year with less severe effects. > Then in 1999 the first sting on a finger on the left hand caused > similar swelling but it only reached the middle of my forearm before > going down. My conclusion was that I needed a lot more bee stings to > become immune to them. We started keeping two hives in 1999 and I knew > some stings would happen. My plan is working fine. Now there is less > pain, even from guard bees most of the time, and practically no > swelling. So get several a day and then determine what is normal for > you. > Herb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Appologies Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:11:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <391F4EC4.160AF1CC@kingston.net> References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com> <391f28bc.3943889@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24967 I don't think apologies are due here. Kent Stienburg Article 24968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.nntp.mr.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: enfieldbees Subject: Swarm Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0a376508.55115f4c@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com> Lines: 41 Bytes: 1979 X-Originating-Host: 63.23.150.244 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eJC1nZyFwojD1IWWksKYn4SKjrWRkdyKm5mL3ZqLhJDJxZ7DzZ7Uy8zfxsHK Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:24:24 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.48 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 958354706 10.0.2.48 (Sun, 14 May 2000 18:38:26 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:38:26 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24968 I came home this morning about 10 am and there was a swarm in progress in my back yard hovering about 50 feet above the 4 hives I have. I am confused though because two of these hives are new splits created from the other two which were 1 year old. I have no idea which hive produced the swarm since I arrived after the bees left one of the four (if in fact they came from one of my hives). Some other things to note: 1. The splits were done two weeks ago. One of the old hives was very strong with lots of brood. The other was well populated but had much less brood and what appeared to me to be hatched queen cells along the bottom of several frames. 2. I could not locate a queen in either hive when I did the splits but I believe the 1st was queenright. I'm not sure about the second. 3. The new hive got new queens and 4 frames from each old hive. The new hives were put in the old hive locations while the old ones were moved to new locations 80 feet away. 4. The two new hives each got a second deep super last week, so there couldn't have been a space problem there. The old ones each had two deeps and one shallow. 5. The strong old one remained fairly strong and still had alot of bees going in and out after the swarm but I didn't open any to look for a queen. 6. The weaker old hive has been very weak in population for the past two weeks, but the few bees coming and going are bringing in some pollen. Does this mean it is queenright? Questions: 1. Which hive is the most likely one to have thrown the swarm? Could the swarm have come from somewhere else? I could not catch it - too high. 2. Is the older weak hive definitley queenright if I see a few bees bringing in pollen? 3. Could one of the new hives created from splits have swarmed? I think this unlikely. Comments? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Barry Meltzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Beetle Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:39:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 958358353 24.128.21.130 (Sun, 14 May 2000 22:39:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:39:13 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24969 Does anyone know of any hive beetle pictures online? Thanks, Barry Article 24970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetle Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:58:56 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24970 see m.t.sanford's featured creature article at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~insect/misc/bees/small_hive_beetle.htm Article 24971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carole" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: building up hive Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:59:57 +0200 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: line16.paphos.spidernet.net Message-ID: <391f938e.0@news.spidernet.net> X-Trace: 15 May 2000 09:05:02 -0300, line16.paphos.spidernet.net XPident: Unknown Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!pullfeed!news.spidernet.net!line16.paphos.spidernet.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24971 Hi everyone, I am very new to bee-keeping and have just one hive - a gift from a friend whose bees swarmed. They seem to be quite well and very busy but after 7 weeks I still have only two frames (both sides) and a half (1 side) with brood and eggs. Is this a fast enough build-up? Here in Cyprus we are into early summer and there has been both fruit blossom and flowers around for the past two months, although the weather has occasionally turned chillier than usual. Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks, Carrie Article 24972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: building up hive Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 2000 12:08:54 GMT References: <391f938e.0@news.spidernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000515080854.10708.00003061@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24972 From: "Carole" carrie@spidernet.com.cy >I am very new to bee-keeping and have just one hive - a gift from a friend >whose bees swarmed. They seem to be quite well and very busy but after 7 >weeks I still have only two frames (both sides) and a half (1 side) with >brood and eggs. Is this a fast enough build-up? Here in Cyprus we are into >early summer and there has been both fruit blossom and flowers around for >the past two months, although the weather has occasionally turned chillier >than usual. Hi Carole, Welcome! We don't hear from your part of the world too often. It's hard to diagnose from half way around the world, but I think it's safe to say that something is definitely wrong. Your bees should be filling up that box with bees by now. You may need to get some experienced help to diagnose the problem. But if you can't get someone to look at them, here are some suggestions: The first thing I would consider is queen problems. A prime swarm that issued with an old queen will usually replace her very soon. And secondary swarms have a virgin queen to begin with, so their first job is to get her mated. If she mates with only a couple drones (say the weather is cold and/or rainy), she will not have enough sperm. Ideally she should mate with 12-15 drones. Another possibility: there are few bees around and she mated with one or more of her brothers, which would lead to a lot of brood that either won't develop, or that the bees will not allow to develop. She must have mated some, or the hive would have died out by now. But to look for a poorly mated queen that is now failing due to lack of sperm (or related sperm), you need to take a brood frame and look closely at it for clues. Is the capped brood scattered around? A good queen will have areas of capped brood with very few cells missing a baby bee. Also look for brood in worker cells that is capped with bubble shaped caps, rather than flat ones. This indicates she is laying unfertilized (drone) eggs in worker cells. Another sign of a failing queen is multiple eggs in each cell. Newly mated queens sometimes do this, but it should stop after the first week. Another clue that the queen is failing is the development of emergency queen cells by the workers. These are peanut-shaped cells that hang out and down from the face of the comb. After considering the queen, I would look for disease or parasite problems. I think you have varroa mites in your part of the world, and a high infestation would make the bees sickly. Look at drone brood, if there is any. Uncap some cells and pull out the drones, looking for a pinhead-sized, reddish brown mite on them. If no drones, look at workers. In bright sun, you sometimes can spot them on the thorax of the workers. If they are severe, you may see a lot of workers with undersized abdomens, and only partly developed wings, where these vampires sucked so much body fluid out of the developing bees that they could not fully develop. Chalkbrood, sacbrood, or foulbrood are reasons why bees would fail to develop, and foul brood will probably kill them. American foul brood will have a strong sour smell and the larvae will die and form a scale in the bottom of the comb. Look at your brood and see if there is foulbrood. Here are photos of scale: http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm Foulbrood must be burned, as there a millions of spores in each scale, which will infect other bees. Chalkbrood or sacbrood are salvageable by requeening. With chalkbrood, many of the larvae turn into stony-looking mummies. Good bees with a vigorous queen will clean it up. There are other possibilities, but you may wish to do some research. There are many good places to look starting at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm I especially recommend Keith Delaplane's online course for beginning beekeepers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: building up hive Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 2000 12:16:06 GMT References: <391f938e.0@news.spidernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000515081606.10708.00003062@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24973 From: "Carole" carrie@spidernet.com.cy >I am very new to bee-keeping and have just one hive - a gift from a friend >whose bees swarmed. Another thought occurred to me. Was the swarm a small one at the beginning? Or did it nearly fill the box at the beginning? Did you feed your bees? A small afterswarm has few bees to go out to gather feed, especially if, as you say, it has been cold, those bees may just be hungry. I routinely give small swarms extra frames of honey, often brood, as well, from other bees, to get them up and going quickly. I forget that new beekeepers don't have this resource, and may not think to give them syrup. If the swarm was small at the beginning, and they don't have at least a couple frames of capped honey by now, give them some syrup as soon as possible. That may be your only problem. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <39200018.1128417078@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 18 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:54:14 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:56:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24974 Thanks Michael .. I will try your method, as it solves the "finding the queen" problem with the large finishing hive. This weekend, I had a couple excluders in place and actually found her right away. I had reviewed the Marla Spivik book trying to see why I failed .. can't say that I made any changes but this time I got 8 of 13 queen cells started. Still not the 90% she claims I should be getting, but better than last weeks big 0 for 15. A retired beekeeper told me that others were having problems. He claimed it was due to the strange weather we are having. Last week we had a 94 degree day followed by a 60 degree day. Does anyone have any input on the relationship between weather changes and queen cell acceptance? Dave Article 24975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Waites Paul Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginners Question: Last years swarm not increasing. Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:55:08 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 29 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <39200FCC.D5F61B30@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 958402467 214 144.32.212.17 (15 May 2000 14:54:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2000 14:54:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24975 A bit of a beginners question this but: Last summer I collected a swarm from my hive, hurrah I've started to make an increase. They have survived the Winter but have yet to start to increase. My main hive is now expanding (After a slow start due to the awful wet April), yet the swarm just seems to have a few bees. Inspecting it there is just a few patches of scattered brood on two brood frames, though the workers that are there are collecting nectar and filling the rest of the chamber with honey. There also seems to be a lot of chalk brood that may be accounting for the patchness of the brood in the frame. I've put in two strips of Bayvoral to knock any varroa down (I could not find much on the floor, but then there is not that many bees in the first place). Will the bees get on top of the chalk brood? Is it a lost cause? Is this a product of our appalling wet Spring? Any advice on what I should do next would be welcome. I would like to expand my colonies. B.T.W: I'm in York U.K. if that helps with the advice. Many thanks Paul Article 24976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange behavior of bees at out back window Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 2000 15:45:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000515114558.24138.00000004@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24976 I've noticed bumblebees behaving this way in several locations in Cambridge and in boston's outlying areas. They are definitely black and yellow bumblebees. I'm not familiar enough with bumblebee behavior to say with certainty what's going on, but I speculate that they might be queens looking for a nesting site. I also considered that since I'm a honeybee beekeeper and have hive gear in the area, they may be attracted to the residual smells of wax and honey that remain from the honeybees. Yesterday, I noticed a large bumble fighting a very unsuccessful battle to get into one of my hives. In the past I've seen bumbles try to climb in the entrance, then come tumbling out when the bees repulse her. This one kept getting knocked out of the air in front of the hive, without even getting a chance to land. It was a good show for my 4-year-old niece, who preferred the beehive and the bumblebee to the garden party going on elsewhere. Article 24977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 2000 15:51:31 GMT References: <391F12ED.CD839467@club-internet.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000515115131.24138.00000005@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24977 Peter wrote: Drone trapping- great if you can visit at the right time!- if not you finish up with a rapid increase in the number of mites in the hive after the drones have emerged from their cells. That's a good point—some mite and pest controls are better for hobbyists, and some for commercial operators. Each has different constraints on their time and what they can do. Since hobbyists (who aren't retired) only have a small window on the weekend to work their hives, their ability to practice certain managment techniques—whether raising queens, using a Snelgrove board (as Snelgrove recommended), or pulling capped drone brood—is limited. Article 24978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.voicenet.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Appologies Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Message-ID: References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <8fjj70$474$1@news.smartworld.net> <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:01:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp19.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:01:57 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24978 In article <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com>, workerbee@honeyroad.com says... > Hello All, > > I am sorry if my post has offended or upset anyone by it's nature. Yes, I > suppose my posting is commercial, Due to the nature of the manner posted, I feel this type of post was OK. It was not SPAM as it was true advertising and there was nothing in the least misleading. Periodic relevant posts passing real and new information on this manner I would not be offended by. Too frequent, non informational, fraudulent or repetitive posting would be SPAM. For example: Large National chain posts that they sell product x at $10.00 . If this post was not in reply to a specific request or it is not a new and relevant stocking. It is SPAM. Same chain announces they now have Sherriff beekeeping suits. Not SPAM. New business posts that he is now in (relevant) business. Not SPAM. New business posts weekly that he is in business and the post is constructively identical each time, it will quickly become SPAM. MY $.02. Thom Article 24979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: æÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÍ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ 0629 39-53-55 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:57:51 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8folhq$jmm$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8ffohl$lr3$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> <391BF74F.B28F82BF@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds88.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958388602 20182 62.188.6.194 (15 May 2000 11:03:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2000 11:03:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24979 What they said was "Agrofirma formiroyet pakyet zakazov na myod ha konyetz avgusta 2000" but they said it in Russian which was encoded in KOI8 and looks like garbage if your computer isn't equipped to convert it. Try View, Encoding, Cyrillic, KOI8 and you need to have European Language software installed. What it means is that a firm is taking bulk orders for honey to be delivered from August this year. Martin p.s. wish me luck with my GCSE Russian exams this week, starting Tuesday at 2pm !! Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:391BF74F.B28F82BF@atlas.localdomain... > Grigory Psaras wrote: > > > > áÇÒÏÆÉÒÍÁ ÆÏÒÍÉÒÕÅÔ ÐÁËÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÏ× ÎÁ ÍÅÄ ÎÁ ËÏÎÅà Á×ÇÕÓÔÁ 2000 Ç. > > > What did you say? > > Louise Article 24980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news.infoave.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:40:52 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24980 Given that the drones are from the same queen (and by that definition, the same genetic material) that laid the young new queens, why isn't in-breeding a problem for bees? Just curious, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. Article 24981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andrew L. Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Hive Beetle Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:21:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.18.26.213 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 958422431 209.18.26.213 (Mon, 15 May 2000 15:27:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:27:11 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24981 Check out Dr. Fell's stuff http://everest.ento.vt.edu/~fell/apiculture/hivebeetle/index.html Barry Meltzer wrote in message news:lrJT4.41068$nl3.53024@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > Does anyone know of any hive beetle pictures online? > > Thanks, > Barry > > Article 24982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners Question: Last years swarm not increasing. Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:45:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8fpr5s$6rm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39200FCC.D5F61B30@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 15 21:45:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24982 Waites Paul wrote: > Will the bees get on top of the chalk brood? > Is it a lost cause? > Is this a product of our appalling wet Spring? > > Paul *********************************************************** Howdy Paul -- Sounds like the queen is a failing one. Remember that the OLD queen leaves with the swarm, so she would be really old now. If the population is very small, I suggest that you kill the old queen and combine the remainder of the bees with another colony - just to save the bees. In a wet spring it may be worthwhile to feed the colony to help it build up right at the time this should be happening. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing wild bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 2000 16:47:09 GMT References: <8fkf76$b9s$1@thoth.cts.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000515124709.22616.00000019@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24983 Dave wrote: "He called me on Friday to say that coyotes had found the hive and knocked it down (how common is this?). There were paw prints around." Getting more common all the time, perhaps. Coyotes forage on anything, and are becoming more and more of an agricultural pest. I spoke to an agricultural agent recently at the Alabama extension who says coyotes have now become a notable pest of the watermelon crop in that state, busting fruit open and poking holes in watermelons. Coyotes are not native to the eastern half of the North American continent, so who knows where their wide-ranging appetites will take them. Article 24984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8F35CB557dworaczekyahoocom@24.64.3.142> Subject: Re: Ave. price of an extractor Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:45:57 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.81 Message-ID: <3920def9_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 16 May 2000 01:39:05 -0400, 208.24.176.81 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.81 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:214 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24984 I posted this earler. There was some talk about a cheap plastic extractor some time ago in this NG. Peter Amschell sold one to me about 2 years ago. I have found a source for those extractors. They are 2 frame hand powered and cost $100.00. I can vouch that it works just fine and has metal gears. Although this one I cant tell from the picture but it looks exactly the same as mine. - Rossman Apiaries has them model number L20 17lbs at $99.95 Tel no. 1-800-333-7677 Larry "Michal Dworaczek" wrote in message news:8F35CB557dworaczekyahoocom@24.64.3.142... > Does anyone knows an average price of a cheap extractor like 2 frame one > operated manually? I want to start beekeeping for a hobby. Would anyone > suggest any extractors that would be cheap and good for starters? Article 24985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attmtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: building up hive Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:24:23 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 22 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust117.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8fronk$dsb$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <391f938e.0@news.spidernet.net> <20000515081606.10708.00003062@ng-fy1.aol.com> <3920f368.0@news.spidernet.net> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust117.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24985 > BTW, I will be going to Canada for a > month and will be spending a couple of days with a friend in Orillia, so sho > uld get chance to call at the Beeworks. I don't know if you have been there before, but, if not, be sure you contact them before you go and don't just assume that you will find them easily. I have a property in that area and have gone looking for them at their advertised address several times and never been able to find them. The several tries fell on weekends, and they were closed, but I was curious and just wanted to see their location. If you phone or email ahead, you should be sure to find them. I also seem to recall some talk that they were moving. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Over 1300 served Article 24986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.126.101.70!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on swarming Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:17:39 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24986 Hi all; As some of you may already have surmised, I'm just a recently reincarnated newbie at this beekeeping stuff. I did beekeeping as a young boy with a neighbor. I'd recently taken up this interesting pastime again when an itinerant swarm picked a hole in my house as theirs. While this certainly doesn't make me experienced, it does give me at least some historical perspective wherein I can bring a few years of learning and experience to bear. I was taught, and managed to observe many dozens of times on my own; that it's the new young queens that leave (by way of swarm) from the hive. Yet I continue to read here that folks say that it's the old queen that swarms. Look, I'm certainly not here to argue something I know little enough about with you experts, but concept of the "old" queen leaving the hive just doesn't make sense! Does she somehow pass through a time portal and become young and active again? Whenever she gets to wherever the swarm is going, she's still going to be the old queen, that day-by-day marches closer to the end of her life! What's she supposed to do? Mate again and start over? I was taught, saw, and experienced on my own; that it's the newly emerged queen--after she kills any other young new rival queens--that swarms. During the swarming period--the one and only time in her life--she mates. She and her entourage locate and move into a new home, and the process begins all over... I had heard that under special conditions (stress, lack of food, and so on...), it was very rarely possible that a hive would leave to relocate. But I'd only heard of those events, I never actually got to witness it. When that happened, any brood that wasn't mobile was abandoned. So it was a pretty catastrophic event to the hive, and reserved only for real emergencies. Have I been missing the point, or have bees somehow been bred to behave differently in the last 40 or so years...? Best regards, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. Article 24987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carole" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <391f938e.0@news.spidernet.net> <20000515081606.10708.00003062@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: building up hive Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:02:49 +0200 Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: line08.paphos.spidernet.net Message-ID: <3920f368.0@news.spidernet.net> X-Trace: 16 May 2000 10:06:16 -0300, line08.paphos.spidernet.net XPident: Unknown Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!pullfeed!news.spidernet.net!line08.paphos.spidernet.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24987 Hi everyone, Thanks a lot for the information. I think it may well be that the swarm was fairly small and I didn't feed them. I'll put that right today and hope tha t it gives them the necessary boost. I'm keen to get them in good shape befo re I head off on holiday in late June. BTW, I will be going to Canada for a month and will be spending a couple of days with a friend in Orillia, so sho uld get chance to call at the Beeworks. Thanks again for the help. Dave Green wrote in message news:20000515081606.1 0708.00003062@ng-fy1.aol.com... > From: "Carole" carrie@spidernet.com.cy > > >I am very new to bee-keeping and have just one hive - a gift from a frien d > >whose bees swarmed. > > Another thought occurred to me. Was the swarm a small one at the begin ning? > Or did it nearly fill the box at the beginning? Did you feed your bees? > > A small afterswarm has few bees to go out to gather feed, especially if , as > you say, it has been cold, those bees may just be hungry. > > I routinely give small swarms extra frames of honey, often brood, as we ll, > from other bees, to get them up and going quickly. I forget that new beeke epers > don't have this resource, and may not think to give them syrup. > > If the swarm was small at the beginning, and they don't have at least a > couple frames of capped honey by now, give them some syrup as soon as poss ible. > That may be your only problem. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:25:23 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 958465457 203.37.7.85 (Tue, 16 May 2000 18:24:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:24:17 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:24:17 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24988 I have seen three different almost pure-bred races of Drones present in the same hive. I believe that the Queen mates a number of times on her mating flight and stores that semen to do her for her productive life, so the progeny of the same Queen will not be the same genetic material Dusty Bleher wrote in message news:si0h5fe5rj0143@news.supernews.com... > Given that the drones are from the same queen (and by that definition, the > same genetic material) that laid the young new queens, why isn't in-breeding a > problem for bees? > > Just curious, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > > Article 24989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392126FF.BCEAF1CF@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unread messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:46:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 958473914 208.13.202.19 (Tue, 16 May 2000 06:45:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:45:14 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24989 Why do I have so many unread messages? When I open sci.ag it says I have 1570 unread messages dating back into February. I read all those when posted. How can I clear this up. Is it only some setting? Article 24990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unread messages Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:24:35 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <39214C13.27F8EC01@riverace.com> References: <392126FF.BCEAF1CF@together.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 2I2xf5qEWEos2cLM+oGWYW9PxDldOPJqPsUh3qoAbCVFb8qqp0UY5Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2000 13:24:36 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24990 Michael Palmer wrote: > > Why do I have so many unread messages? When I open sci.ag it says I have > 1570 unread messages dating back into February. I read all those when > posted. How can I clear this up. Is it only some setting? It's likely that your news admin (or your ISP's news admin) needed to do some work on the newsgroup database and this has messed up the sequencing. It happens once in a while. If you just read the latest 100 or so, and mark the rest read, you should get caught up pretty quickly. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-Queening problem Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:38:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.105.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958527498 12.73.105.223 (Wed, 17 May 2000 01:38:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:38:18 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24991 I am having a problem re-queening a hive. Here is the scenario. About two weeks ago I went through the hive which is consists of two deeps and two western supers. I could not find an egg in any of the boxes. I did find an amount of capped brood and at least two supercedure cells (empty) and one swarm cell with the virgin queen just breaking out; she got away from me and I could not find her again. Anyway, all boxes were just full of bees. I shook the bees from about 4 frames of capped brood along with 6 other frames of drawn comb and put them in another deep super over a queen excluder. Once the box was full of bees I put it over a new bottom, introduced another queen (indirectly) and fed them with a top board feeder...it essence I split the hive it is doing well. As for the remaining bees that is another matter. I let the hive go for another 3 days, then went through all the frames looking for eggs or a queen, none were found. I then introduced another queen, again indirectly, and waited 6 days before lifting the lid. I went out to check the hive yesterday and not only was the candy eaten out of the queen cage, so was the cork in the other end! I have never seen this before. I inspected all the frames in the box and did not see the queen or any eggs - from either the new queen or from a queen that I had missed. I'm afraid the bees did not take a liking to the new queen and chewed her up. I am going to wait another 3 days in hopes of finding eggs by Wednesday, but I am doubtful. This is a very strong hive and I would hate to lose them, I could continue to split them out, but I'd rather not. Any thoughts about re-queening this hive. Other relevant information: I live in the south Puget Sound region of Washington. Our weather has been very variable, nice one day, cool and rainy the next. Flowers are just coming into bloom, but too soon to call it a flow. The hive has adequate stores of honey and pollen. Thanks for any help. -- Howard Bowles For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. Article 24992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!skin02.micron.net!news01.micron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ron Reil" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Hello and a Question Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:52:20 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.19.171.107 X-Trace: news01.micron.net 958528472 209.19.171.107 (Tue, 16 May 2000 19:54:32 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:54:32 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24992 Normally I am focused on blacksmithing, but things have occurred that now has me visiting the beekeeping group. I wish to say hello, and ask you a question. I kept bees back in the 70s, 15 hives, so beekeeping is not new to me, but there are new things that have come along that I need to learn about, but that is not the question. Sunday a nice swarm flew into my back yard and landed on a branch 6 feet off the ground so was easy for me to get into a cardboard box, where they are now. I immediately ordered a hive body and super which will be here in a few days. Well, when it rains it pours. Today at school, I teach Earth science to 9th graders, a huge swarm arrived at school and put the whole school into a tizzy. The kids knew about my swarm on Sunday so told the Principal about it and he called me out of class to see if I could deal with it. It was a little tricky, but I got it into a box and its now also in my back yard next to the first swarm. It is a huge swarm, and the queen was a real beauty, as I got a good look at her as they were marching into the box...yes marching. The swarm was partly hanging from the underside of a bleacher seat, and half in the deep grass under it. I scooped up a bunch of them and put them into a cardboard box and then laid the box with three of its flaps closed, on the ground a few inches from the swarm on the ground. They immediately started a 5" wide column marching into the box. There were so many it took over an hour for them all to get into the box, and part way through the queen was visible making her way to the box too. My question involves the best way to combine the two swarms, once I have the hive and super assembled and ready to use. I have combined hives in the past, but never two fresh swarms. Also, my memory of my beekeeping techniques is a little foggy after 25 years. I know I need to eliminate one of the queens, and place the hives together with a sheet of newspaper between them to allow them to chew through, but only after letting the queenless hive sit for a time. Could someone please advise me as the best method to follow in combining these hives. I do not want more than one hive, and the two of these will make one very strong hive to start out. Which hive should I remove the queen from, the one initially in the hive body, or the one I place in the super above with newspaper separating them? Also, how long should I wait after removing the queen to do the combining? Should the stronger swarm go into the main hive body with its queen, and the weaker swarm without its queen into the super above? Thanks a million. Ron -- Golden Age Forge http://www.webpak.net/~rreil/Forge.htm E-Mail: rreil@micron.net Boise, Idaho Article 24993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on swarming Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:08:46 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3921F11E.C011E513@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24993 Hi Dusty, I've only had the old queen go with the prime swarm. Right after the cells are capped. This is why it takes a while after a swarm to get going again. The time needed for the queen to hatch and mate. I've only seen young queens in afterswarms. Maybe I've misinterpreted your message but it seems to me you are saying you have seen young queens go in the prime swarm and the old queen stays put? Kent Article 24994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.relcom.ru!news.vrn.ru!not-for-mail From: "Oleg B. Moskalev" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: New site - Agri! 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Article 24995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question: Why are my bees building comb BETWEEN frames? Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:07:31 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8ft5ei$tie$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <7glR4.53845$WF.2937156@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.f9 X-Server-Date: 17 May 2000 03:59:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24995 Hello All I am new to Bee keeping and have the same problem as CAIR. Having read the reply to their question I assume that if I push the frames together I will have a gap at each end of the hive. I have 10 frames in the box. What should I do with the comb that they have built out between the frames? Also they are building up through the inner cover, is this normal? I live in Georgia and the package of bees were installed about 18 days ago and I have been keeping them supplied with sugar/water mix. Thank you. David George Styer wrote in message news:7glR4.53845$WF.2937156@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Any frames of foundation, either wood or plastic, must be 10/box pushed > tightly together with all the end-bars in contact until drawn. Sounds like > the Pierco was spread out in which case you will get comb on the same plane > as the foundation. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > Article 24996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <9RxU4.14689$XO1.819117@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.122.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958572997 12.73.122.54 (Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:37 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24996 Thanks for responding. Article 24997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.122.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958572998 12.73.122.54 (Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:38 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24997 Thanks for your thoughts. H. Bowles Article 24998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving honey Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:39:05 -0500 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.56 Message-ID: <3921a245_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 16 May 2000 15:32:21 -0400, 208.24.176.56 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.56 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24998 I have a brood box about 1/2 full with honey, no brood, my extractor is for shallow supers only. What is the best way to get the bees to move the honey from the deep frames into the shallow super frames. Should I put the deep on first then the shallow or the reverse. Thanks Larry Article 24999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:35:41 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3922A02D.C3288395@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: DH8Z9D8ux2JANMYf9UZmQ9OxbU+VprRwv2hgwjPkEtVua+cfXjkalQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 13:35:43 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24999 Hi Howard, I am a second-year beekeeper, so this isn't the voice of long experience talking ;-) I had a similar experience to your strong hive without eggs this spring. I killed the old queen to requeen a nasty hive. I introduced 3 queens, all killed, before I left them to themselves. Last week I found a queen (unmarked, whereas all the ones I put in were marked) just starting to lay. It sounds as though one of the queens from your queen cells is in there -it'll be a matter of time before she gets mated and starts to lay. I'd leave them alone for a couple of weeks - maybe feed syrup if the local sources aren't really going yet. -Steve Howard Bowles wrote: > > I am having a problem re-queening a hive. Here is the scenario. About two > weeks ago I went through the hive which is consists of two deeps and two > western supers. I could not find an egg in any of the boxes. I did find an > amount of capped brood and at least two supercedure cells (empty) and one > swarm cell with the virgin queen just breaking out; she got away from me and > I could not find her again. > Anyway, all boxes were just full of bees. I shook the bees from about 4 > frames of capped brood along with 6 other frames of drawn comb and put them > in another deep super over a queen excluder. Once the box was full of bees > I put it over a new bottom, introduced another queen (indirectly) and fed > them with a top board feeder...it essence I split the hive it is doing well. > As for the remaining bees that is another matter. I let the hive go for > another 3 days, then went through all the frames looking for eggs or a > queen, none were found. I then introduced another queen, again indirectly, > and waited 6 days before lifting the lid. I went out to check the hive > yesterday and not only was the candy eaten out of the queen cage, so was the > cork in the other end! I have never seen this before. I inspected all the > frames in the box and did not see the queen or any eggs - from either the > new queen or from a queen that I had missed. I'm afraid the bees did not > take a liking to the new queen and chewed her up. I am going to wait > another 3 days in hopes of finding eggs by Wednesday, but I am doubtful. > This is a very strong hive and I would hate to lose them, I could continue > to split them out, but I'd rather not. Any thoughts about re-queening this > hive. > Other relevant information: I live in the south Puget Sound region of > Washington. Our weather has been very variable, nice one day, cool and > rainy the next. Flowers are just coming into bloom, but too soon to call it > a flow. The hive has adequate stores of honey and pollen. > Thanks for any help. > > -- > > Howard Bowles > For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question: Why are my bees building comb BETWEEN frames? Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:54:54 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <8f4c4r$sej$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <7glR4.53845$WF.2937156@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <8ft5ei$tie$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a4.10 X-Server-Date: 17 May 2000 14:57:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25000 In article <8ft5ei$tie$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, "David" wrote: > Hello All > I am new to Bee keeping and have the same problem as CAIR. > Having read the reply to their question I assume that if I push the frames > together I will have a gap at each end of the hive. I have 10 frames in the > box. If you have ten frames to a box there should not be much space at the ends... There is a tool for spacing frames... looks kind of like a giant, metal comb (hair-comb). -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting Question - What is Normal Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:49:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8fu81q$3eb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fnf00$if8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fnfdi$j09$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 17 13:49:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.56 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25001 In article <8fnfdi$j09$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > Thanks Herb, > > Pass it on to my wife..and will BEE happy!!! > > Ron E. > Tell her I've been stung 930 times so far this year and I'm still alive. Also I feel better than I have in years, no lower back pain, etc. And yet the variables remain beyond my control. Sting #919 was on the back of my left hand by a guard bee and it swelled up some. #920 was on rt forearm and I barely noticed it, no swelling at all. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Hello and a Question Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:38:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8fu7c8$2mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 17 13:38:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.56 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25002 In article , "Ron Reil" wrote: > ...They immediately started a 5" wide column marching into > the box. There were so many it took over an hour for them all to get into the box, and part way through the queen was visible making her way to the box too. Some guys get all the luck!! Two easy swarms, and tomorrow my daughter and I are going to get one that moved into the space between first and second floor of an apartment building. I'll be thinking about you, Ron. > My question involves the best way to combine the two swarms, once I have the hive and super assembled and ready to use. I have combined hives in the > past, but never two fresh swarms. Also, my memory of my beekeeping > techniques is a little foggy after 25 years. I know I need to eliminate one > of the queens, and place the hives together with a sheet of newspaper > between them to allow them to chew through, but only after letting the > queenless hive sit for a time. Could someone please advise me as the best > method to follow in combining these hives. I do not want more than one hive, > and the two of these will make one very strong hive to start out. Which hive > should I remove the queen from, the one initially in the hive body, or the > one I place in the super above with newspaper separating them? Also, how > long should I wait after removing the queen to do the combining? Should the > stronger swarm go into the main hive body with its queen, and the weaker > swarm without its queen into the super above? > > Thanks a million. > > Ron > First of all you know a lot more about beekeeping than I do so I anxiously await some answers from more experienced beekeepers. But I would try to keep both going for awhile and then combine them later if you have to. I've read here that there are advantages to keeping two hives, but apart from that I wouldn't destroy either of the queens until I found out which is the best. When we combine over a newspaper we put the queenless bunch on top. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drones popping out Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:02:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8fu8od$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 17 14:02:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.56 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25003 We discovered a hive was queenless and removed two frames that had a couple hundred capped drone cells on each side. My plan was to take out the larvae and look for Varroa mites. Didn't get to it that day and left the frames in a screened room where bees couldn't get to them. The next day we noticed that many drone larvae had pushed out of the cells. They were still alive but were not anywhere near being fully formed. Just white grubs. Temperature has been between 65 and 80 F. Does anyone know what's going on? Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.online.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen/natural selektion Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:05:26 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8fugts$pdu$3@lure.pipex.net> References: <8fjb5f$eh3$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdn04.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958580476 26046 62.188.4.123 (17 May 2000 16:21:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 16:21:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25004 Adam Finkelstein wrote in message news:8fjb5f$eh3$1@saltmine.radix.net... > In article , > Beeandnature.Dep wrote: > >Fore a some mounts ago I read an article in apiricultoral rec. abut queens. > >Some of my colleges I US, had try to see if they cut see on a queen if she > >where "garbed" white a needle or if she where made on a natural way. They > >cut see a difference. If it have any consekvenses they cut not tell yet.Is > >there any one here on this list, who now any thing abut, if the bees natural > >select wits egg or bee that will bee queen. It is a "dark" area in science, > >but werry interesting. We are abut to start some experiment up here in this > >summer to see if wee cut see any difference in quality on queens make white > >grafting or in a more natural way. > > Hi Flemming, > I cannot understand your query. Would you post again please? > Thanks, > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Adam, I reckon the Question is about the difference between grafted ('garbed w(h)it(e) a needle) queens and those produced naturally. Worth knowing. And I should think the answer is already well established as well. Martin. Article 25005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.online.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on swarming Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:01:07 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 60 Message-ID: <8fugtq$pdu$2@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userdn04.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958580474 26046 62.188.4.123 (17 May 2000 16:21:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 16:21:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25005 Things just happen different in San Jose, evidently. I shall stay here where the bees know what it says in the book! All the best with your hives where the queen gets older and older and never leaves, Dusty. Martin in UK. Dusty Bleher wrote in message news:si30lh5hrj0112@news.supernews.com... > Hi all; > > As some of you may already have surmised, I'm just a recently reincarnated > newbie at this beekeeping stuff. I did beekeeping as a young boy with a > neighbor. I'd recently taken up this interesting pastime again when an > itinerant swarm picked a hole in my house as theirs. While this certainly > doesn't make me experienced, it does give me at least some historical > perspective wherein I can bring a few years of learning and experience to > bear. > > I was taught, and managed to observe many dozens of times on my own; that it's > the new young queens that leave (by way of swarm) from the hive. Yet I > continue to read here that folks say that it's the old queen that swarms. > Look, I'm certainly not here to argue something I know little enough about > with you experts, but concept of the "old" queen leaving the hive just doesn't > make sense! Does she somehow pass through a time portal and become young and > active again? Whenever she gets to wherever the swarm is going, she's still > going to be the old queen, that day-by-day marches closer to the end of her > life! What's she supposed to do? Mate again and start over? > > I was taught, saw, and experienced on my own; that it's the newly emerged > queen--after she kills any other young new rival queens--that swarms. During > the swarming period--the one and only time in her life--she mates. She and > her entourage locate and move into a new home, and the process begins all > over... > > I had heard that under special conditions (stress, lack of food, and so > on...), it was very rarely possible that a hive would leave to relocate. But > I'd only heard of those events, I never actually got to witness it. When that > happened, any brood that wasn't mobile was abandoned. So it was a pretty > catastrophic event to the hive, and reserved only for real emergencies. > > Have I been missing the point, or have bees somehow been bred to behave > differently in the last 40 or so years...? > > Best regards, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > Article 25006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:52:51 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8fugtp$pdu$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdn04.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958580473 26046 62.188.4.123 (17 May 2000 16:21:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 16:21:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25006 Misunderstanding here. The new virgin Q flies out and finds drones which probably came from many other hives. Recent research indicates she mates with as many as 17 different drones, so inbreeding is pretty unlikely, or at least limited to a small proportion of her progeny. The drones in a hive are not just waiting for queens from that hive. Drones and Qs meet perhaps a long way from the hive at places where drones congregate and wait for Qs to arrive on mating flights. there can be hundreds of drones present, from many different hives. In the case of real close matings, it is possible to get fertilised eggs where the genetic material from egg and sperm are closely alike (homozygous) and this can lead to drones being produced from fertilised eggs, i.e. diploid drones instesd of the usual haploid. This happens only on rare occasions and is a bee-disaster. It seems that becoming male or female depends on being homozygous or heterozygous in fact, not just on how many sets of chromosomes a bee inherits. Another point - since the Q produces her eggs by meiosis, a great many different 'deals' of the genetic material are possible and she may produce as many genetically different drones. Often you will see drones of different colours emerging in the one hive. If not clear, ask questions. Martin. Dusty Bleher wrote in message news:si0h5fe5rj0143@news.supernews.com... > Given that the drones are from the same queen (and by that definition, the > same genetic material) that laid the young new queens, why isn't in-breeding a > problem for bees? > > Just curious, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > > Article 25007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: "steve hird" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Not removing honey Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:02:59 -0600 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8fumn2$i0n$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mtdsteve.lvld.hp.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25007 I am wondering if everyone removes excess honey in the spring or if it is just as goo of idea to leave it until the fall when you could gather it all. Also last year I had two of my three hives swarm even though I gave them plenty of room. Should I just take swarming as inevitable and try to gather the swarms as a form of increasing my hives. Or should I maybe split large hives in the late spring? Thanks Steve Hird Article 25008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lost a hived swarm Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:59:02 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.167.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 958597634 1NNUCNF1GA7C C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25008 Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive and all seemed to go well. Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from happening? Thanks Stev Newport Sussex UK Article 25009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jflongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumble bee economics Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:52:28 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8fv1b0$93q$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "jflongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-lyon-106-180.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 958597280 9338 193.250.217.180 (17 May 2000 21:01:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 21:01:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25009 hello im looking for " Bumblebee economics " written in 1979, this book is no longer available at Amazon. I'm french and i d like to get it. Could you help me ? Thanks for you help. JF -- ==================== Jean-François Longy 06 83 52 55 22 www.cybervigie.com 04 78 41 03 33 Rue C Lacouture 69500 Bron ================== Article 25010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "d" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: books Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:38:02 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8fv3kb$i6q$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-149.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 958599627 18650 208.232.214.149 (17 May 2000 21:40:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 21:40:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25010 Does anyone know where a person can pick up a book showing how to Artificial inseminate queens. thanks preacher Article 25011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not removing honey Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 May 2000 23:29:55 GMT References: <8fumn2$i0n$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000517192955.21260.00003739@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25011 Split and recombine later Split and requeen 1/2 then kill the old queen and recombine Or split and make increase. All are options Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loosecannon59@netzero.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Would like info please Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:39:44 GMT Message-ID: <392343a8.11171209@news.nuthinbutnews.com> References: <391beda0.165140584@news.nuthinbutnews.com> <20000512075729.21269.00002860@ng-ff1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip194a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip194a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net X-Trace: 17 May 2000 18:34:07 true, ip194a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net Organization: NuthinButNews.com Lines: 22 X-Authenticated-User: 6617530 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!nntp.corpcomm.net!news.nuthinbutnews.com!ip194a.richmond6.va.pub-ip.psi.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25012 On 12 May 2000 11:57:29 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: loosecannon59@netzero.net > >>What books and web sites would be most beneficial to a hopeless >>newbie? > >Here's a good starting point: > >http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Thanks for the reply. Sorry it took so long for me to get back, unexpected trip out of town. Article 25013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:57:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.174.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 958607825 24.147.174.206 (Wed, 17 May 2000 19:57:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:57:05 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25013 David, I'm not so sure of your answer here. I hived several swarms, watch the queen walk in, waited until dark, moved them and when I went back the next day to check, they too where gone. Most of the time they stay, sometimes they just don't stay in the box. I've also hived swarmed that stayed in the box but later under inspection found no queen! Dave Verville David Eyre wrote in message news:si6aomrt8ta98@corp.supernews.com... > Suggest you failed to 'get' the queen and they all went back to the original > hive. not much you could have done, but the first keeper was to keen to take > them away from the hive site. I always leave a swarm in place for a good few > hours to make sure you have the queen , otherwise you've wasted your time! > > Steve Newport wrote in message > news:3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com... > > Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive > > and all seemed to go well. > > > > Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. > > > > Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from > > happening? > > > > Thanks > > Stev Newport > > Sussex UK > > Article 25014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Waites Paul Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners Question: Last years swarm not increasing. Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:46:08 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 20 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <39226A60.81F12C5A@york.ac.uk> References: <39200FCC.D5F61B30@york.ac.uk> <8fpr5s$6rm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 958556728 29974 144.32.212.17 (17 May 2000 09:45:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2000 09:45:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25014 > > I suggest that you kill the old queen and combine the > remainder of the bees with another colony - just to save the bees. > > In a wet spring it may be worthwhile to feed the colony to help it > build up right at the time this should be happening. > > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** Hi Pete Thanks for the advice, I think I'll probably do what you suggest but I must admit that I wanted to start to increase my colony numbers. I thought about requeening, but as a beginner working in my own back yard figured that it may be a little difficult. Paul. Article 25015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Appologies Re: Adam, what is the charter, was: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Date: 17 May 2000 07:03:21 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8ftu9p$qfk$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <391CB7DD.8F49C0A2@honeyroad.com> <2VhT4.7406$XO1.419464@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <391F0726.AAF540B8@honeyroad.com> <391f28bc.3943889@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25015 Bzzzzzt. Regarding the charter of this newsgroup and off-topic posts, all of the previous posters are correct. Usenet is wide open, and anyone can post anything at anytime. Just like (for the most part) thinking and speaking in real life. However, etiquette and protocol dictate an acceptable behavior. As long as the posts in the group concern themselves with beekeeping, bee-culture or hive products, they are on topic. Newsreading software is good, and thus if someone were to feel like posting an off-topic post, and they wanted to be polite, they could indicate this in their article's subject, or summary header. Another fine way to post somewhat controversial materiel is to make a brief post with a pointer to a www url where the main content is: "For more information on my foo, check out http://www.foo.bar" With a Subject: " Pointer toward commercial foo supplier" Happily, newsreading software allows one to kill or filter articles, so unlike listservers or mailing lists, a Usenet news reader may selectively read a group's current spool of articles. Yay! I can have my newsreading software (the mighty trn) just not read this article because I just happen to dislike "foo" and anything to do with "foo". Enjoy, Adam P.S. Thanks for all the polite posts--it is refreshing to read a controversial thread where all involved are acting like adults. -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: 17 May 2000 07:10:09 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8ftumh$qps$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25016 In article , Dusty Bleher wrote: >Given that the drones are from the same queen (and by that definition, the >same genetic material) that laid the young new queens, why isn't in-breeding a >problem for bees? It is! Multiple matings in areas where there fly un-related drones cope with this potential problem. A beekeeper (s) that saturate an area with a specific queen lines must be very careful to avoid serious inbreeding after a few mating cycles. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Lines: 72 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:18:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958540708 129.37.243.136 (Wed, 17 May 2000 05:18:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:18:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25017 From your description, it sounds like your "supercedure" cells are swarm cells and your colony is without a mated queen. Wait and check again in a week. Why would a colony preparing to swarm try to supercede the queen that will be leaving? At any rate, you needed to do the split before you had sealed cells. Don't worry about losing the strong colony. If it turns out to be truly queenless, you can either give some eggs and larvae from your split or recombine the 2. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Howard Bowles" wrote in message news:eKmU4.69502$fV.4282880@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I am having a problem re-queening a hive. Here is the scenario. About two > weeks ago I went through the hive which is consists of two deeps and two > western supers. I could not find an egg in any of the boxes. I did find an > amount of capped brood and at least two supercedure cells (empty) and one > swarm cell with the virgin queen just breaking out; she got away from me and > I could not find her again. > Anyway, all boxes were just full of bees. I shook the bees from about 4 > frames of capped brood along with 6 other frames of drawn comb and put them > in another deep super over a queen excluder. Once the box was full of bees > I put it over a new bottom, introduced another queen (indirectly) and fed > them with a top board feeder...it essence I split the hive it is doing well. > As for the remaining bees that is another matter. I let the hive go for > another 3 days, then went through all the frames looking for eggs or a > queen, none were found. I then introduced another queen, again indirectly, > and waited 6 days before lifting the lid. I went out to check the hive > yesterday and not only was the candy eaten out of the queen cage, so was the > cork in the other end! I have never seen this before. I inspected all the > frames in the box and did not see the queen or any eggs - from either the > new queen or from a queen that I had missed. I'm afraid the bees did not > take a liking to the new queen and chewed her up. I am going to wait > another 3 days in hopes of finding eggs by Wednesday, but I am doubtful. > This is a very strong hive and I would hate to lose them, I could continue > to split them out, but I'd rather not. Any thoughts about re-queening this > hive. > Other relevant information: I live in the south Puget Sound region of > Washington. Our weather has been very variable, nice one day, cool and > rainy the next. Flowers are just coming into bloom, but too soon to call it > a flow. The hive has adequate stores of honey and pollen. > Thanks for any help. > > -- > > > Howard Bowles > For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. > > > > Article 25018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!nntp.ece.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:59:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <39234de2.26721946@news1.radix.net> References: <391D9A89.FA1DD33@honeyroad.com> <20000517185752.24297.00004207@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25018 On 17 May 2000 22:57:52 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >>Dear Allen, >>I'm sorry that you find my email to be SPAM. I could see if I was soliciting >>something like life insurance or cable boxes. But I am trying to supply >>Beekeeping Equipment. > > Usenet is not about advertizing; there are other forums for this purpose. If >advertising is allowed, pretty soon the free flow of information is stifled. > > I've seen two of your ads recently, Allen. Maybe there were more. The first >did not bother me; the second did, even though, as you say, it was >newsgroup-related. > > I think the group will forgive an ad once a year or so, but frequent ads are >bound to raise ire. You mean like "Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm"? Advertising is advertising. Greg the beekeep Article 25019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:32:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8fvh6g$k23$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 18 01:32:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25019 > Steve Newportwrote: > Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from > happening? ************************************************************** Howdy Steve -- Assuming that you have a true swarm with the old queen: -- One good way is to catch the swarm in a cardboard apple box. After you put the lid back on, hold the box as near the swarm site as possible.The few bees in the air will detect the queen in the box and will go in the small opening in the top of the box. Take the box to the spot you want them to live. Leave undisturbed until late afternoon (almost dusk). Take a couple of frames containing eggs and young larvae and put in the hive. Install the swarm by pouring part of it into the hive and the remainder in front of the entrance so you can watch the "marching in". When they find those hungry babies, they are right at home and will almost never leave. In case the queen was lost or killed in the collecting process, they will use the larvae to start queen cells. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:02:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39234e94.26899738@news1.radix.net> References: <20000517215644.13563.00000895@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25020 On 18 May 2000 01:56:44 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: >I have been actively looking for someone who could supply Thymol and haven't >been able to find one. Does anyone know of someone who I could contact. I need >large quantities. > >Thanks > > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" The Wall Mart pharmacy can get it for you in 100 gram bottles. About $24 I think. Talk to the head pharmacist and let him know what you are using it for. The worst that can happen is he will say you need a prescription which your vet will be able to provide. Greg the beekeep Article 25021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drones popping out Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 2000 03:32:01 GMT References: <8fu8od$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000517233201.11291.00000605@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25021 From: herbcampb@my-deja.com > The next day we noticed that many drone larvae had pushed out of the >cells. They were still alive but were not anywhere near being fully >formed. Just white grubs. Temperature has been between 65 and 80 F. >Does anyone know what's going on? They got hungry? Larvae that don't have adult attention will often crawl out of their cells. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <391F12ED.CD839467@club-internet.fr> <20000515115131.24138.00000005@ng-ch1.aol.com> Subject: SV: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.239.20 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 958627206 212.151.239.20 (Thu, 18 May 2000 07:20:06 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:20:06 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-239-20.swipnet.se Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:21:38 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25022 JMitc1014 : > Since hobbyists (who aren't retired) only have a small window > on the weekend to work their hives, their ability to practice certain > managment techniques - whether raising queens, using a Snelgrove > board (as Snelgrove recommended), or pulling capped drone brood > - is limited. ...don't forget: capped drones are removed every 7-10 days. Perfect for a weekend beekeeper. Doris Article 25023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> <8f8q4q$b8l$2@lure.pipex.net> <391E9BEF.2BC3C7AE@fabaris.it> Subject: SV: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <94LU4.3793$JL6.10440@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.239.20 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 958627205 212.151.239.20 (Thu, 18 May 2000 07:20:05 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:20:05 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-239-20.swipnet.se Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:17:24 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25023 George MuAmmar : > Another disadvantage is that it doesn't solve the problem! It allows you > to avoid chemicals close to the honey picking season, but you will still > have to treat them in winter! True, but the amount of varroa is kept at a minimum during the time when the winter bees are produced => healthier winter bees! Doris Article 25024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Five Locations Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:45:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8g03hh$7q1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fh4p8$lj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000512124413.08500.00002447@ng-cs1.aol.com><8fhl54$iqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 18 06:45:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25024 In article , Barry Birkey wrote: > > and also want to improve my experience in beekeeping. My concern is Honey > > production regions, What do you think about Texas/Houston? > > No need to guess on this one. It's all detailed in the March issue of the > National Honey Market News at: > http://www.beesource.com/news/nhmn/nhmn3_00.htm > > -Barry > > Hi, How Explain this high price TEXAS - WAX, LIGHT, $1.30 - - - DARK, $1.20 Is it because of low production, due to high operating cost or because of honey quality? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:49:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8g0sc6$372$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 18 13:49:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25025 In article <390de4ac_1@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > Asiray sent me a picture of those birds and I put it on a web site so you > can see what they look like. > > http://www.asicgmbh.com/ebay/beebird.JPG > Larry > > wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. > I > > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear > the > > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that > bees > > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do > not > > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for > many > > reasons. > > > > I glad to read from you. > > Best wishes > > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > > asiray0a@hotmail.com > > asiray0@mail.com > > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > The Picture of the bird is the first Picture in the following site: http://www.ats.com.au/~aviceda/saudi2.htm Good luck, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: anotherMELISSA@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First check of new hive... Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:25:54 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 38 Message-ID: <1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-20429-2009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQSiOCxP6f+2KpPIeOq3ojwOlpNOQIUao9CNTCbuuq3AwHVl2s1WDNUgKg= Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=blue Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25026 --WebTV-Mail-20429-2009 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hello, Pulled up a frame after about 4 days of the queen being released. I really have no clue as to what I'm looking at. I see what appears to be honey, but also some dark spots in the frame, brown in color. The frames are definitely being built. Tried to find white coma's. Was 4 days too early? I have a picture in the link below that shows one of the frames, one of the least ones with the brown showing. Can someone tell me what it is I'm seeing? Thank you, Melissa --WebTV-Mail-20429-2009 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
BeeKeeping Journal --WebTV-Mail-20429-2009-- Article 25027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39242110.26E88790@dtn.ntl.com> From: "felix.jckson" Reply-To: felix.jackson@dtn.ntl.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why does smoke make bees go dozy References: <3923EEC5.64F8927D@dtn.ntl.com> <39240FE5.A6E6830C@york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:57:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.34.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 958669177 212.250.34.186 (Thu, 18 May 2000 17:59:37 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:59:37 BST Organization: ntl News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25027 So is it actualy the smoke that makes that makes them dozy or is it that fact they eat lots of honey...does the smoke effect them and when they detect smoke in the air do they all return to the hive to eat.....shoreley they do not want to be dozy and slow if there is a fire near by! Article 25028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why does smoke make bees go dozy Message-ID: <39240f3b.1394436687@news.usenetserver.com> References: <3923EEC5.64F8927D@dtn.ntl.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 21 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:41:51 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:43:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25028 1) The smoke interrupts the natural odors so important in the hive's daily life 2) Smoke masks the alarm phermone distribution 3) Some "inbred" thing reminds them that in time of fire .. stock up on honey incase we need to flee IMHO Dave On Thu, 18 May 2000 14:23:17 +0100, "felix.jckson" wrote: >OK so this is probley a simple question to guys however i have got into >an arguement about this ...so can any one help me by telling me why bees >go dozy around smoke? >Thank you Article 25029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on swarming Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:00:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3921F11E.C011E513@kingston.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25029 "Prime swarm"? "afterswarms"? I only ever knew "swarm". Every so often, usually in response to crowding, we'd find queen cells. I used to move that frame to the "window" side (a covered glazed side wall), and peek in there on a regular basis (I spent countless hundreds of hours enthralled by the activity...). I watched dozens of times the emerging of the queen, and her hunt for other queens (whom she killed). I had been told that if two queens hatched, that they'd have a fight to the death. While I saw lots of queens get killed (in their cells), I never did see a royal wrestling match. I'd mark them, sometimes within moments of emerging. And as far as I can ever recall, they were the ones that flew away. It's been a lot of years, but I can still recall the events clearly... "kent stienburg" wrote in message news:3921F11E.C011E513@kingston.net... > Hi Dusty, > > I've only had the old queen go with the prime swarm. Right after the > cells are capped. This is why it takes a while after a swarm to get > going again. The time needed for the queen to hatch and mate. I've > only seen young queens in afterswarms. Maybe I've misinterpreted your > message but it seems to me you are saying you have seen young queens go > in the prime swarm and the old queen stays put? Yes. Exactly that. But it was what I was told would happen, and it seemed to work that way. It's certainly possible that in the confusion of the going's on in the hive that I lost track of things. But I was pretty sure I saw this repeated lots of times... Hey look! I'm certainly not the expert in this. And I'm willing to be shown wrong (that's after all how one learns). But I'm still baffled as to why the old queen would fly away. Because as she gets older she gets less and less able to fly. Lots of times the workers drag her around just to move her. I've seen old queens that only had stumps for wings. Now I don't know if this was due to accident or other happenstance, or just the natural degradation that occurs to all living things as we age... Best regards to you all folks, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. > > Kent Article 25030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:31:12 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8fugtp$pdu$1@lure.pipex.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25030 "Pamela Buckle" wrote in message news:8fugtp$pdu$1@lure.pipex.net... > Misunderstanding here. The new virgin Q flies out and finds drones which > If not clear, ask questions. > Martin. Very clear, and very well written. Thank you Martin. I also found lots of good info at the following sites: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/HBBiology/beebiology.html , and http://www-mugc.cc.monash.edu.au/~degob1/goble/KiBees/kiinfo/beegen2.htm Slowly the pieces are beginning to fall into place. Thanks again... Best regards, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. Article 25031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:24:19 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Message-ID: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 May 2000 18:17:45 -0400, 208.24.176.52 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!208.24.176.52 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25031 Will it hurt the flavor to get a frame of uncapped honey mixed with the capped? I just extracted 9 frames with about 1 total frame uncapped which a little was on 3 frames. Thanks Larry. Article 25032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:15:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8g1s98$5co$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690408 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25032 Very possibly a mating swarm with a new queen in it that had not properly mated. She would fly again the next day and all the bees would go with her (they have no future without her). "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com... > Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive > and all seemed to go well. > > Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. > > Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from > happening? > > Thanks > Stev Newport > Sussex UK Article 25033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!194.176.220.130!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washboarding Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:53:02 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8g1s9i$5co$12@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000513145723.08514.00002471@ng-cs1.aol.com> <391F121F.CBDB076D@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FA_01BFC124.33FF0E40" X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690418 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25033 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01BFC124.33FF0E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How would this help them to lose heat? 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Peter=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01BFC124.33FF0E40-- Article 25034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 From: petew@drizzle.com (Peter Willard) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Bee Dream Date: 18 May 2000 20:44:38 GMT Organization: http://www.drizzle.com/~petew Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8F38855F4browse0tron@207.211.168.81> References: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-090.newsdawg.com User-Agent: Xnews/03.03.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25034 alt.religion.kibology:238217 What was Simon de Vet thinking circa Thu, 18 May 2000 01:55:39 GMT???: <...> >What does this dream mean? Where can I buy my instant bee package? > > Maybe "bee" is a rebus for some other kind of "bee", like a spelling bee or so forth? -- Peter Willard http://www.drizzle.com/~petew ``The fact that inhumanity is coupled with so much stupidity makes one feel almost optimistic in a dangerous way.'' -Erich Hecke Article 25035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tawny Mining Bee Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:58:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8g1tea$5tr$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <29s8issn90n9hb0jeooq1kg3qpkeu5547f@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-26.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958691594 6075 62.136.18.26 (18 May 2000 23:13:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 23:13:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25035 No they do not sting - they are unable to penetrate human flesh. "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:29s8issn90n9hb0jeooq1kg3qpkeu5547f@4ax.com... > We seem to have a lot (15-20) of these in our back garden. Quite > charming little bees, especially the way they watch from just inside > the hole. > > Do these bees sting? > > Anybody ever kept them in display cases? > > Steven Newport > Sussex > UK Article 25036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tawny Mining Bee Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:42:16 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 11 Message-ID: <29s8issn90n9hb0jeooq1kg3qpkeu5547f@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.132.94 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 958690231 1NNUCNF1G845EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25036 We seem to have a lot (15-20) of these in our back garden. Quite charming little bees, especially the way they watch from just inside the hole. Do these bees sting? Anybody ever kept them in display cases? Steven Newport Sussex UK Article 25037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:42:18 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.132.94 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 958690233 1NNUCNF1G845EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25037 Thanks for all your comments. I like the idea of using a frame of brood. Never heard of thjat before (I'm new) but it sounds sensible. Thanks Steve Newport Article 25038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 2000 00:32:15 GMT References: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000518203215.23338.00000049@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25038 From: "Larry W" larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net >Will it hurt the flavor to get a frame of uncapped honey mixed with the >capped? I just extracted 9 frames with about 1 total frame uncapped which a >little was on 3 frames. > When you have open honey, shake the frame. If the nectar shakes out, don't put in it your extracting batch. If it doesn't shake, then you can put up to a quarter of the total from uncapped frames. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Five Locations Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 18 May 2000 23:11:35 GMT References: <8g03hh$7q1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000518191135.27901.00000078@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25039 >Hi, How Explain this high price TEXAS - WAX, LIGHT, $1.30 - - - DARK, $1.20 >Is it because of low production, due to high operating cost or because of >honey quality? High Price? $1.30 . Thats highway Robbery. Especially when the craft store is selling it for $12.99lb. Minimum for wax should be at least $2lb. wholesale, but thats one mans opinion. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 25040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:59:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8g1teb$5tr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-26.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958691595 6075 62.136.18.26 (18 May 2000 23:13:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 23:13:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25040 No problem extracting uncapped honey as long as there is not too much fresh nectar in the frame. If you cannot shake honey out then it is fine. "Larry W" wrote in message news:39246c09_2@news.vic.com... > Will it hurt the flavor to get a frame of uncapped honey mixed with the > capped? I just extracted 9 frames with about 1 total frame uncapped which a > little was on 3 frames. > > Thanks > > Larry. > > Article 25041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drones popping out Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:01:44 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8g1tec$5tr$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8fu8od$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-26.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958691596 6075 62.136.18.26 (18 May 2000 23:13:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 23:13:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25041 They were hungry. wrote in message news:8fu8od$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > We discovered a hive was queenless and removed two frames that had a > couple hundred capped drone cells on each side. My plan was to take out > the larvae and look for Varroa mites. Didn't get to it that day and > left the frames in a screened room where bees couldn't get to them. > The next day we noticed that many drone larvae had pushed out of the > cells. They were still alive but were not anywhere near being fully > formed. Just white grubs. Temperature has been between 65 and 80 F. > Does anyone know what's going on? > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Biocontrol for AHB Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:12:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8g1ted$5tr$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-26.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958691597 6075 62.136.18.26 (18 May 2000 23:13:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 23:13:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25042 Teri Bachus asked me for references about the use of Cape bees in Europe (some time ago I'm afraid - the bees have been busy!). I regret that I have so far been unable to find the correspondence that I had several years ago with a Professor Koeniger (?) re his experiments with Cape bees in Germany. His interest was in controlling varroa by using A.M.Capensis which have a shorter brood cycle. My concern was that the spread of these bees through Europe would be a nightmare far worse than varroa. We had to agree to differ on the safety of his work. If I do manage to find the letters I will post to this group. Does anyone else know the eventual outcome of this work? Article 25043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: First check of new hive... Lines: 48 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:18:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.0.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958601902 12.74.0.133 (Wed, 17 May 2000 22:18:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:18:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25043 (Turning HTML off) The brown and yellow is pollen which is a good sign although it doesn't guarantee you have a laying queen. From your journal it sounds like it has been less than 2 weeks since you hived the package. Since the queen will only lay in cells that have aquired some depth, your search can be narrowed. It appears that you used plastic foundation which is fine but the whiteness at the bottom of the cells will make it even more difficult to find eggs. I know it is difficult, but if you can restrain yourself and wait a week, you should be able to see capped brood. If you can't wait, try to hold the frame chest high with your body casting a shadow over it. As white as everything is now, direct sunlight will make it much harder to see. Visability will be further enhanced if you can get up the nerve to remove the veil for a moment. Let the bee's temperment be your guide (or just have Jim do it). -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net... Hello, Pulled up a frame after about 4 days of the queen being released. I really have no clue as to what I'm looking at. I see what appears to be honey, but also some dark spots in the frame, brown in color. The frames are definitely being built. Tried to find white coma's. Was 4 days too early? I have a picture in the link below that shows one of the frames, one of the least ones with the brown showing. Can someone tell me what it is I'm seeing? Thank you, Melissa BeeKeeping Journal Article 25044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 May 2000 22:57:52 GMT References: <391D9A89.FA1DD33@honeyroad.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000517185752.24297.00004207@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25044 >Dear Allen, >I'm sorry that you find my email to be SPAM. I could see if I was soliciting >something like life insurance or cable boxes. But I am trying to supply >Beekeeping Equipment. Usenet is not about advertizing; there are other forums for this purpose. If advertising is allowed, pretty soon the free flow of information is stifled. I've seen two of your ads recently, Allen. Maybe there were more. The first did not bother me; the second did, even though, as you say, it was newsgroup-related. I think the group will forgive an ad once a year or so, but frequent ads are bound to raise ire. The best bet is to participate regularly in the group, and put your web address in your sig file. No one, to my knowledge, will take any offense at that. When you have something for sale that you believe in, it's hard not to try to grab folks and haul them in. But they won't buy if they are irritated. Allen Dick and Barry Birkey both have buy/sell sections at their beekeeping portal sites. There are probably others. About.com? The Pollination Page has a spot for bees for sale. Usenet was established before the internet, and advertising has always been a no-no. And I think for good reason... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:32:04 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25045 Suggest you failed to 'get' the queen and they all went back to the original hive. not much you could have done, but the first keeper was to keen to take them away from the hive site. I always leave a swarm in place for a good few hours to make sure you have the queen , otherwise you've wasted your time! Steve Newport wrote in message news:3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com... > Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive > and all seemed to go well. > > Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. > > Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from > happening? > > Thanks > Stev Newport > Sussex UK Article 25046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetle Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:33:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25046 Heres a pic of the "worm" and honey mix! http://www.bugwood.caes.uga.edu/factsheets/shb.html Barry Meltzer wrote in message news:lrJT4.41068$nl3.53024@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > Does anyone know of any hive beetle pictures online? > > Thanks, > Barry > > Article 25047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: enfieldbees Subject: sunday swarm Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <27702aa4.6b4d3c53@usw-ex0106-044.remarq.com> Lines: 44 Bytes: 1985 X-Originating-Host: 63.28.31.123 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eCQBKSgxdjx3YDEiJnYsKzA+OgElJWg+Ly0/aS4/MCR9cSp3cipie2Z0cnI= Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:56:06 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.44 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 958609157 10.0.2.44 (Wed, 17 May 2000 17:19:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:19:17 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25047 I came home this morning about 10 am and there was a swarm in progress in my back yard hovering about 50 feet above the 4 hives I have. I am confused though because two of these hives are new splits created from the other two which were 1 year old. I have no idea which hive produced the swarm since I arrived after the bees left one of the four (if in fact they came from one of my hives). Some other things to note: 1. The splits were done two weeks ago. One of the old hives was very strong with lots of brood. The other was well populated but had much less brood and what appeared to me to be hatched queen cells along the bottom of several frames. 2. I could not locate a queen in either hive when I did the splits but I believe the 1st was queenright. I'm not sure about the second. 3. The new hive got new queens and 4 frames from each old hive. The new hives were put in the old hive locations while the old ones were moved to new locations 80 feet away. 4. The two new hives each got a second deep super last week, so there couldn't have been a space problem there. The old ones each had two deeps and one shallow. 5. The strong old one remained fairly strong and still had alot of bees going in and out after the swarm but I didn't open any to look for a queen. 6. The weaker old hive has been very weak in population for the past two weeks, but the few bees coming and going are bringing in some pollen. Does this mean it is queenright? Questions: 1. Which hive is the most likely one to have thrown the swarm? Could the swarm have come from somewhere else? I could not catch it - too high. 2. Is the older weak hive definitley queenright if I see a few bees bringing in pollen? 3. Could one of the new hives created from splits have swarmed? I think this unlikely. Comments? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 25048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thymol Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 18 May 2000 01:56:44 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000517215644.13563.00000895@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25048 I have been actively looking for someone who could supply Thymol and haven't been able to find one. Does anyone know of someone who I could contact. I need large quantities. Thanks Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 25049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 2000 03:29:12 GMT References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000517232912.11291.00000603@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25049 >Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive >and all seemed to go well. > >Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. > >Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from >happening? They probably had already selected a home, but hadn't moved to it yet. Even though you gave them a home, it would not do, because they had already made up their mind. Even if you move the swarm, they still can exit. The majority of prime swarms will stay, when put in a box, especially if you hive them in the evening, and they stay the night. Afterswarms, with virgin queens, are more apt to move on. Either is more likely to stay, if you give them a frame of open brood. Lacking that, a frame of honey is the next best thing. Sometimes all bets are off. I hived a swarm once that apparently had already selected its destination. As the bees went into the hive, they seemed disorganized and nervous. I spotted the queen, and she was also nevous. I grabbed her and put her into a cage, which I placed in the hive. A few minutes after they were hived, they suddenly emerged and headed off for the woods -- without the queen. I waited on them, and about ten minutes passed, and here they come -- right back into the hive. I thought I had them then, but no, they came pouring out and headed for the woods once more. Ten minutes later they were back. They actually left and returned four times, whereupon it was almost dark. I took them home. I did not release the queen, but I did give them a frame of brood. I checked them in the middle of the afternoon of the following day, and there were only a handful of bees. The queen was still in her cage. The bees did not return. I can only assume they also had a virgin queen or two, and were determined to make their own way in the world. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> <20000518203215.23338.00000049@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: extracting Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:56:06 -0500 Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.69 Message-ID: <39249db4_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 May 2000 21:49:40 -0400, 208.24.176.69 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25050 Thank you, IM pretty sure it wouldn't shake out but I didn't try. Too late now. Larry "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20000518203215.23338.00000049@ng-fy1.aol.com... > From: "Larry W" larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net > > >Will it hurt the flavor to get a frame of uncapped honey mixed with the > >capped? I just extracted 9 frames with about 1 total frame uncapped which a > >little was on 3 frames. > > > When you have open honey, shake the frame. If the nectar shakes out, don't > put in it your extracting batch. If it doesn't shake, then you can put up to a > quarter of the total from uncapped frames. > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3921a245_2@news.vic.com> <8g1s9d$5co$8@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: moving honey Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:00:06 -0500 Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.69 Message-ID: <39249ea2_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 May 2000 21:53:38 -0400, 208.24.176.69 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25051 Peter: Do you mean as a double brood box or start a new hive with it? I just extracted a super from it today and put it back on empty hopefully they will move it now. I will put on an excluder, that hive will be a double. Thank you Larry "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8g1s9d$5co$8@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > Use it as a brood box, put a queen excluder and an empty super over it. As > the queen fills the box with brood the bees will move the honey up to make > space; they will do it faster if you damage the cappings. > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3921a245_2@news.vic.com... > > I have a brood box about 1/2 full with honey, no brood, my extractor is > for > > shallow supers only. What is the best way to get the bees to move the > honey > > from the deep frames into the shallow super frames. Should I put the deep > on > > first then the shallow or the reverse. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 25052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!world!kibo From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Subject: Re: Bee Dream Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: X-Face: $T[.n?/D[sL]Jpd{Jp66*DCPkYZ-oSm9^Xw`v9eZeo`Bt?*2:Eag<1.o@h?wWD5J*]lxl Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:11:01 GMT References: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0b074.std.com Organization: http://www.kibo.com X-Newsreader: Internet Text-Based Content Deployment System 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2 Lines: 70 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25052 alt.religion.kibology:238250 Simon De Vet (sdevet@istar.ca) wrote: > > Last night I had a bee dream... For some reason, "Bee Dream" sounds like what Ben & Jerry's would name a honey-flavored tofutti. > I had ordered an package of bees. The bees arrived in a white paper bag, > neatly folded to envelope size. Attached to the end of the bag was a > cassette attachment, which could be plugged into a car stereo. It also > included a key, to turn it on. > > I plugged it into the cassette slot on the mailbox, which was in our > backyard for some reason, and turned the key. Nothing happened. After > several minutes, the bag started to inflate, much like microwave > popcorn. It was completely silent. > > With the help of my father, I tied the bag onto a tree where we wanted > to keep the hive, and attached one end of a string to the flap keeping > the bag closed. Running inside, we pulled the string to open the flap, > and out flew a swarm, which quickly wrapped itself around the back of > our lawn chairs. I would love to see the directions that are printed on the back of the packet. For instance, Orville Redenbacher thinks that "Open bag, then enjoy." needs to be spelled out in case we forget to open the bag before we eat the popcorn. (But it doesn't say whether or not to eat the bag!) So, I envision some lovely instructions on how to eat your instant bees in a way that won't generate any lawsuits. I've started collecting pictures of those icons that show up on shopping carts diagramming every possible way you're not allowed to use the cart ("Do not allow child to stand on his head while cart collides with beehive") as research for a story I'm planning to write about the subject of things you can't do with shopping carts. However, I promise not to mention your list of things you can't do with InstaBees if you'll read the back of your imaginary bee packet to us. I just want to know how to use bees safely! > [stuff forgotten] > > Later, I notice a few bees crawling on the outside of the living room > windows. Quickly, these few bees become a few dozen, all frantic to get > in. I look down and see why. A queen bee is sitting on the table. I know > it's the queen since it's well over 30 cm long, has a head the size of a > Ping-Pong ball, is light brown, and is shaped a little like a weasel > with wings. RUN! YOUR HOUSE IS BEING INVADED BY A SWARM OF MILTON BRADLEY COOTIES! > There are a few drones flying around it. > > I run to find my mother, to show her. When we return to the living room, > the queen is gone, along with the entire side wall. > > Something happens involving a different family camping and green glowing > bees. I'm a little fuzzy on this part. > > > What does this dream mean? Where can I buy my instant bee package? I'm not sure. I usually just get my imaginary bees by flipping the vacuum cleaner's "SUCK/BLOW" switch to the secret third position which causes the hose to emit a steadly stream of circus bees that have been trained to do my bidding. -- K. Have you checked Hammacher Schlemmer? Or possibly Ben & Jerry's? Article 25053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Hello and a Question References: <8fu7c8$2mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:21:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 958699269 204.186.179.48 (Thu, 18 May 2000 21:21:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:21:09 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25053 I've never tried this but I'm told that you can combine two swarms by dumping them both on the ground in front of the new hive. They'll both march in and settle the queen issue themselves. Let us know what you do and what happens. Article 25054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: First check of new hive... Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:23:15 -0500 Lines: 109 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFC01C.3441AD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.86 Message-ID: <39230c18_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 17 May 2000 17:16:08 -0400, 208.24.176.86 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.86 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25054 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFC01C.3441AD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The picture is much too low in resolution or it is compressed too much = to see if there are eggs I do see pollen though. That's the dark spots. = Hold the frame in bright sunlight and look for very tinny white eggs = there about 1/16" long and about the diameter of a needle and should be = in the bottom of a comb. After 4 days if there are any it is most likely = they will be spotty. Larry wrote in message = news:1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net... Hello, Pulled up a frame after about 4 days of the queen being released. I really have no clue as to what I'm looking at. I see what appears to = be honey, but also some dark spots in the frame, brown in color. The frames are definitely being built. Tried to find white coma's. Was 4 days too early? I have a picture in the link below that shows one of the frames, one of the least ones with the brown showing. Can someone tell me what it is I'm seeing?=20 Thank you, Melissa -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- BeeKeeping Journal=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFC01C.3441AD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The picture is much too = low in=20 resolution or it is compressed too much to see if there are eggs I do = see pollen=20 though. That's the dark spots. Hold the frame in bright sunlight and = look for=20 very tinny white eggs there about 1/16" long and about the diameter of a = needle=20 and should be in the bottom of a comb. After 4 days if there are any it = is most=20 likely they will be spotty.
 
Larry
 
 
 
 
 <anotherMELISSA@webtv.net>= wrote in=20 message news:11= 71-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Hello,

Pulled=20 up a frame after about 4 days of the queen being released.  = I
really=20 have no clue as to what I'm looking at.  I see what appears to=20 be
honey, but also some dark spots in the frame, brown in = color. =20 The
frames are definitely being built.  Tried to find white=20 coma's.  Was 4
days too early?  I have a picture in the = link=20 below that shows one of
the frames, one of the least ones with the = brown=20 showing.  Can someone
tell me what it is I'm seeing? =

Thank=20 you,

Melissa


BeeK= eeping=20 Journal ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01BFC01C.3441AD80-- Article 25055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inspecting hives Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:38:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25055 Hi folks, Just wanted to know what the general consensus is on how to go about inspecting hives. How often & how thoroughly do you inspect a hive that is showing no signs of problems? Do you pull all the frames in both brood boxes (if you have two) every time you open the hive, or do you just check out a few frames every couple of weeks & then do a more thorough inspection less often? Thanks, Rodney -- Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 25056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bdigman@cyberport.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rookie questions Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:48:09 GMT References: <39246d6f.8531365@news.cyberport.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 56k145-118.cyberport.com Message-ID: <39249dee@news.gj.net> Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.228.130 X-Trace: 18 May 2000 19:53:07 -0600, 199.45.228.130 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!news.coop.net!news.gj.net!56k145-118.cyberport.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25056 More questions.... The bees came from Georgia to New Mexico. The altitude here is around 5300 ft. The relative humidity is normally in the teens. It's a high desert plateau. Very clear atmosphere, bright sun. Probably nothing like where the bees were hatched. Do you suppose this change in climate will have any detrimental impact? Barry Article 25057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3924ABBC.4E1B55DA@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspecting hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 102 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:45:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 958704302 24.24.11.37 (Thu, 18 May 2000 22:45:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:45:02 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25057 Rodney and ng - For anybody who cares to read through, here's my offering. FWIW! My routine these days is sort of on the minimialist side, but it all depends on how many colonies you are dealing with, and how much time you have... (btw, I'm in NY State) 1. Spring, about 1 May: Floors scraped off, brood chambers reversed: Tipping up the upper brood chamber, I glance up between the combs. If population seems strong, plenty of capped brood is apparent, and the weight indicates lots of food stores remaining, things look well, and no brood combs need to be inspected. I note the presence or quantity of queen cell cups or actual swarm cells, in case the colony is making swarm preparations. Any q. cells showing on the bottoms of the upper brood combs (with eggs or larvae) are pinched, then the chambers are interposed and the first honey super goes on. If there are developed queen cells present already, I remove 3-4 frames of mostly capped brood and bees to make a split. If there is any indication of abnormality (weak colony, little or spotty capped brood, or all drone cappings) I know something is amiss, and then will inspect the brood combs to find out what is up. 2. Spring buildup: A couple weeks later, I return, and again, tip up the upper brood chamber to look for swarm cells. Colonies intent on swarming will have several developed queen cells hanging down. Brood and bees are removed from these hives and compiled to make up additional colonies, to replace winter kills. The removed combs (usu. 4) are replaced at the center of the upper brood box with empty combs or foundation. Second honey super is added to all "normal" colonies at this time. 3. Late Spring/Summer: Every couple weeks I visit each yard with a bunch of honey supers. Each colony is opened up and I take a look at the topmost super. If half full of honey, I add another super and close the hive. Done. If the top super is closer to full, the nectar flow is a good one, and I add two supers instead of just one. (Medium depth/ 6-5/8" supers, that is.) 4. Autumn: Pretty much the same as summer, above. Depending on availability of equipment, harvesting of full supers and extracting is begun. Usually have to empty a round of supers so they can go back on to catch the late flows. 5. Final harvest shortly after frost. Then Apistan goes in, along with Terramycin patties. Entrances get screened against mice. SO, I guess you could say that I only really "inspect" the brood nests once. Unless something appears to be wrong, or brood/bees must be removed for swarm control. At least that is how the out-apiaries are managed. I usually end up with a few hives or a bunch of nuclei at home, and I will inspect them in a thorough way every 1-2 weeks, mainly because I enjoy going through them and observing their development. The main thing is to be aware of the colony activity, and to take notice of any indication that something might be wrong. At first it is good to check your colonies every couple weeks or so, to become familiar with the colony cycle and to learn what to expect in a normal, healthy colony. You can go into the brood nest and observe the laying pattern, the healthy appearance of larvae, placement and quantity of pollen and nectar, and find the queen if you like. But you should be able to assess things pretty well by looking over 2 or 3 brood combs, and it needn't take very long. There is certainly no need to take the colony all apart and look over every comb. If things all appear healthy, during the balance of the season the main thing is to watch for signs of swarming, take control measures as necessary, and then provide additional storage space as it is needed for the ensuing honey flows. Over time you will be able to learn a great deal just from observing the general activity of the bees, and their behavior at the entrance. But you still need to inspect from time to time, to ensure that the queen is laying normally, the brood is healthy, and that super space is adequate. You don't _need_ to inspect the nest every week, or two weeks, or whatever, but there is much fascinating activity to observe, and there is a certain amount of enjoyment to be had just from going in there with minimal disturbance, and seeing how things are going. You can learn or see something new every time, you will keep your finger on the "pulse" of the colonies, and it will make the hobby that much more rewarding. For years when I had a number of colonies in the back yard, my inspections were much more thorough, and about every 2 weeks. You don't want to disturb them too often, but 10-day to 2 week intervals is not overdoing it. later, Joel Rodney Isom wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just wanted to know what the general consensus is on how to go about > inspecting hives. How often & how thoroughly do you inspect a hive that is > showing no signs of problems? Do you pull all the frames in both brood > boxes (if you have two) every time you open the hive, or do you just check > out a few frames every couple of weeks & then do a more thorough inspection > less often? > > Thanks, > Rodney > > -- > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 25058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.mccc.edu!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: petew@drizzle.com (Peter Willard) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Bee Dream Date: 19 May 2000 02:35:33 GMT Organization: http://www.drizzle.com/~petew Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8F38C097Dbrowse0tron@207.211.168.82> References: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-905.newsdawg.com User-Agent: Xnews/03.03.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25058 alt.religion.kibology:238283 What was James "Kibo" Parry thinking circa Fri, 19 May 2000 01:11:01 GMT???: >> Later, I notice a few bees crawling on the outside of the living room >> windows. Quickly, these few bees become a few dozen, all frantic to get >> in. I look down and see why. A queen bee is sitting on the table. I know >> it's the queen since it's well over 30 cm long, has a head the size of a >> Ping-Pong ball, is light brown, and is shaped a little like a weasel >> with wings. > >RUN! YOUR HOUSE IS BEING INVADED BY A SWARM OF MILTON BRADLEY COOTIES! > It might be a precognition of the swarms of apis dorsata that evil beekeepers are sneaking into Our Nation under the pretext of "strengthening" the stock of Our Nation's Honeybees. -- Peter Willard http://www.drizzle.com/~petew ``The fact that inhumanity is coupled with so much stupidity makes one feel almost optimistic in a dangerous way.'' -Erich Hecke Article 25059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> From: Simon de Vet Reply-To: sdevet@istar.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Bee Dream Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:55:39 -0300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.34.234 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 958614312 154.5.34.234 (Wed, 17 May 2000 21:45:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:45:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25059 alt.religion.kibology:238284 Last night I had a bee dream... I had ordered an package of bees. The bees arrived in a white paper bag, neatly folded to envelope size. Attached to the end of the bag was a cassette attachment, which could be plugged into a car stereo. It also included a key, to turn it on. I plugged it into the cassette slot on the mailbox, which was in our backyard for some reason, and turned the key. Nothing happened. After several minutes, the bag started to inflate, much like microwave popcorn. It was completely silent. With the help of my father, I tied the bag onto a tree where we wanted to keep the hive, and attached one end of a string to the flap keeping the bag closed. Running inside, we pulled the string to open the flap, and out flew a swarm, which quickly wrapped itself around the back of our lawn chairs. [stuff forgotten] Later, I notice a few bees crawling on the outside of the living room windows. Quickly, these few bees become a few dozen, all frantic to get in. I look down and see why. A queen bee is sitting on the table. I know it's the queen since it's well over 30 cm long, has a head the size of a Ping-Pong ball, is light brown, and is shaped a little like a weasel with wings. There are a few drones flying around it. I run to find my mother, to show her. When we return to the living room, the queen is gone, along with the entire side wall. Something happens involving a different family camping and green glowing bees. I'm a little fuzzy on this part. What does this dream mean? Where can I buy my instant bee package? Simon Article 25060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!not-for-mail From: John Burrage Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Bee Dream Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology Date: 18 May 2000 02:16:49 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8fvjqh$qap$2@enyo.uwa.edu.au> References: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> X-Trace: enyo.uwa.edu.au 958616209 26969 130.95.128.7 (18 May 2000 02:16:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uwa.edu.au User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-981002 ("Phobia") (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.37 (i686)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25060 alt.religion.kibology:238285 In alt.religion.kibology Simon de Vet wrote: : Last night I had a bee dream... : I had ordered an package of bees. The bees arrived in a white paper bag, : neatly folded to envelope size. Attached to the end of the bag was a : cassette attachment, which could be plugged into a car stereo. It also : included a key, to turn it on. Sorry to hack up your thread with cafeteria style one liners and stuff, but this is very interesting because I had a dream last night that was sort of Kibological ... I was floating through the city where I live (Perth) and every building was covered with graffiti that read "George Hammond" and "George 'Cubey' Hammond". Very disturbing ... -- John Burrage jburrage@cyllene.uwa.edu.au Article 25061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspecting hives Lines: 70 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 2000 11:33:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000519073314.22512.00000185@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25061 From: "Rodney Isom" rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net >Just wanted to know what the general consensus is on how to go about >inspecting hives. How often & how thoroughly do you inspect a hive that is >showing no signs of problems? Do you pull all the frames in both brood >boxes (if you have two) every time you open the hive, or do you just check >out a few frames every couple of weeks & then do a more thorough inspection >less often? I make a thorough inspection of every frame once a year, in the spring. I take each hive, set it on the trailer (which is my workbench (saves my back). I then transfer the frames, one by one to another hive and bottom board, doing whatever is necessary at the time. I check for AFB, queen problems, varroa mites, etc. Drone comb is placed near the wall, the best worker comb in the center. Broken and junk frames are removed if empty, if occupied by brood, I put above one of the hives over an excluder, so I can get the benefit of the brood, but still work the frame out of the system eventually. If there is any drone brood, make sure there is an alternative opening in the super, or there will be a pile of dead drones on the excluder. If the hives are good, and I find queen cells, I split the hives at the time. When the box is empty, I replace the bottom board if needed, or clean off the burr comb, clean up the frame rests, etc. Then I work it back into use as the box for the next hive. This way every piece gets looked at; every hive gets a thorough examination. If the hives are in good shape, and have a lot of brood, I will pull out brood to prevent swarming. Everything has to be worked with pollination in mind. Early in the season, I can pull down a good queen to two or three frames of sealed brood. As pollination time approaches, I want to have more brood, so they meet standards. The brood goes to make nucs, along with cells from hives making swarm preparations, or ones I've raised by grafting. If there are problems, such as EFB, chalkbrood, sacbrood, bald brood, hairless bees, etc. I do not split them. Generally I requeen, though a little chalk in the spring is simply marked for a recheck later. Almost all hives can get chalk; the question is: will they clean it up? I carry a permenant ink marking pen with me. The date of the check is marked on the front of the hive, plus additional comments. Potential breeders are identified, so they can be watched for the season; any problems are noted as well. If I know the age of the queen I mark YQ for this year, OQ for last year's. There are many codes I use to convey info for the next time I see the hive. Usually this is done in April (I'm in SC). Most of the bees go to vine crop for pollination, so around the first of May, I go thru and check and mark OK to POL on those that meet standards. Usually that means pulling one or two frame to check for eggs and the absence of queen cells, and making an estimate of the number of frames of bees.Sometimes I do this check as I'm unloading, but that means I may have to take a hive or two back home. Unless there is an identified problem written on the font, I won't go thru the hives again that year, and only open them for supering, removing supers, adding mite strips, etc. Most of the hives get one super at the end of their spring check. Opening the hives is not really much of a problem for the bees, but pulling frames keeps them demoralized and risks rolling queens. Many hobby beekeepers pull the hives apart too much. Good reasons I can think of to make more frequent checks are for swarmy bees in the spring, or if there is a lot of American foulbrood pressure. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:21:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 106 Message-ID: References: <3911FED2.4AB2D4AC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25062 cross-posted for information and discussion purposes only from: http://www.azcentral.com:80/news/0518bees.shtml Africanized honeybees attack at least dozen people in Mesa By Monica Davis The Arizona Republic May 18, 2000 A pack of angry Africanized bees attacked at least a dozen people at a Mesa apartment complex Wednesday, charging fire crews who tried to help and chasing police officers back into their cars. By the time the rampage ended, the bees may have stung one woman 50 times. "They were mad at the world," said Marco Guerrero, who saw the bees attack a woman and then turn on him and his friends. Guerrero, 18, a senior at Mesa High School, outran the bees. But two of his buddies, as well as Karl and Erica Kugler, weren't so lucky. Karl had just dropped his wife off at the mailbox at the Superstition Vista Apartments on Broadway Road, near Gilbert Road, when she returned in a panic and ordered him to drive away. Kugler, 24, who had the couple's three children in the car, watched helplessly as Erica, 21, battled the bees. "It was scary," he said. "They were aggressive." Karl chased after his wife in his car as she ran and tried to fight the bees off. Then, they charged at him through the open windows of his car, threatening to sting his kids. Karl sped around the complex, trying to wave the bees out of the car. He drove to his apartment, ran the kids inside, then searched for his wife. He found her in the pool, once again fighting bees. He rushed her to their apartment until paramedics arrived. Karl said Erica thought she had been stung at least 50 times. As Erica rested on a stretcher, she took deep breaths and complained to paramedics that the bees seemed to be stuck in her hair. Medics checked her over, gave her oxygen and transported her to Mesa Lutheran Hospital. Fire Capt. Ivard Brimley said two other people were transported to area hospitals. Paramedics treated 11 people for bee stings. Wednesday's bee attack is the third in recent weeks in the East Valley. On two occasions in April, bees attacked horses near Gilbert and attacked a man in Sun Lakes. Firefighter John Schutt said he did not see any bees when crews arrived at the apartment complex about 4 p.m. But the bees found him the minute he stepped out of the firetruck. Bees swarmed Schutt and another firefighter. Schutt said the bees struck his face two or three times, the only part of his body not covered by protective gear. "It's the most amount of bees I've seen in one place in my lifetime," he said. While battling the bees, Schutt said fire crews spotted a woman fighting off bees. They shot her with a blast of water. Dennis Brown, a spokesman for Burns Pest Elimination, said the critters had all the signs of Africanized bees. He said the bees swarmed him as he stood about 100 feet from the hive. Brimley said firefighters shot foam at the bees as they swarmed near a roofline. Later, firefighters cut a hole in the roof and found a beachball-size hive. Crews soaked the hive with foam to kill the bees. *** Article 25063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biocontrol for AHB Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:13:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <8g1ted$5tr$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25063 thanks for the follow-up...have since then encountered a german ph.d., former student of dr. koeniger's now working at a usa beelab, who pretty much corroborates your report and claims the cape bees were free-flying but needed to be united with european stock in order to survive the winter...don't know about the varroa tolerance results, but capensis appears to be holding its own (and more) in its native habitat! "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8g1ted$5tr$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > Teri Bachus asked me for references about the use of Cape bees in Europe > (some time ago I'm afraid - the bees have been busy!). > > I regret that I have so far been unable to find the correspondence that I > had several years ago with a Professor Koeniger (?) re his experiments with > Cape bees in Germany. > > His interest was in controlling varroa by using A.M.Capensis which have a > shorter brood cycle. My concern was that the spread of these bees through > Europe would be a nightmare far worse than varroa. We had to agree to > differ on the safety of his work. > > If I do manage to find the letters I will post to this group. Does anyone > else know the eventual outcome of this work? > > Article 25064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8ftumh$qps$1@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: What color are they Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:57:31 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 958744339 204.244.87.26 (Fri, 19 May 2000 06:52:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:52:19 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25064 I have been reading that drones drift easily in another hives (up to 5 miles ?) and are accepted by other hives. It has been an explanation for varroa spread. Now, if your hive has drones from other hives(queens) doesn't it take care of inbreading? Article 25065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:27:07 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 36 Message-ID: <28594-39254F3B-43@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <392439C9.58FE50E7@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-11377-1026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQnClYX6X4Z4hhrRDAj6Fvx0JX5RgIVAI2my61a2qS/RfQO0LaRP9UchisG Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=darkturquoise Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25065 --WebTV-Mail-11377-1026 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Thanks so much Kent, for the information. Could you also tell me what bees consider to be bad weather. I live in New Orleans, and the weather is very hot and humid here. June brings daily thundershowers but temperatures in the mid to upper 90's. Thanks Again! Melissa --WebTV-Mail-11377-1026 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
BeeKeepingJournal --WebTV-Mail-11377-1026-- Article 25066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My 1st colony swarmed Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: X-Trace: +r4CDilv5N9kCA+LAXZgnlD2gMXk9TzwxfK7Yesmyw9hyvDcxjlQ5ROwOygB7BCDiWhxguL24dSi!e0NMFeOoLNfvmAu+/e30cb2zkAOXShGeagc+J6QAXDgoRSQx5JJC5JZek/TTd2MUbCIfZLc3+Ewn!rJWPwVaZPQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:55:34 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:55:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25066 I'm just getting started in this hobby and my 1st ever colony (I purchased a nuc) swarmed on me this week. Things seemed to be going well, lots of eggs being layed, good brood patterns with pollen and nectar around them, etc. I went on vacation for a week, then we had 3 or 4 days of bad weather so it wasn't able to look in on them for 10 days or so. The day I was finally going to open up the hive, I found the swarm bunched on a dead tree that was wrapped with some kind of ivy. I found a veteran beekeeper down the road from me who said he'd help capture the swarm the next morning. I woke to find they had moved on. I did open the hive then and found one frame on either side of the 5-frame original nuc with nothing but honey in them. One of the frames was 3/4 capped. The outer frames were mostly drawn out but had only some nectar in them, no brood. My questions are: 1. I assumed they swarmed because the brood nest was confined by the frames of honey. The person who sold me the nuc said this was so. Another veteran disagrees. He says as long as they had some drawn frames to raise brood, they weren't confined. He also says that the nuc I bought was probably made from a swarm and they had the swarm instinct. What do you think? 2. I found one big queen cell and a cluster of them on one frame, all capped. Should I let them raise a new queen or destroy the cells and introduce a new purchased queen? If I let them make a queen, should I destroy all but one cell? 3. Is there a FAQ for this group? Thanks! Chris Bjelica cbjelica@gte.net Article 25067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My 1st colony swarmed Lines: 66 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <5mgV4.74344$WF.4160409@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:12:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958763521 12.72.50.168 (Fri, 19 May 2000 19:12:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:12:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25067 It would help a lot if you would tell us where you are located. This makes a big difference in build-up and hive configuration. It would also help to know how long ago you hived the nuc. Not having this information, I will provide my best guess. 1). Find another veteran beekeeper. Doesn't sound like he knows what he is talking about, but maybe he has more information than you have provided. A nuc swarms because it was made from a swarm?? Please! Most probable is that it was made from a split and the nuc got the old queen. Was she marked and if so with what color? Imagine a prolific queen in high gear for spring build-up taken from 18 - 20 frames and confined to 5. If you had them in a single, they were probably congested. This can happen real fast if a flow is on. It takes a lot of space to store the thin nectar. My guess is that the additional frames that you put in were foundation and not drawn. It is much more difficult to get bees to expand their nest horizontally than it is vertically and the frames of honey acted as a barrier. 2). Leave ALL the cells and let them complete the process. They know much better than us what they are doing. You will lose about 3 weeks in brood production, but trying to requeen could get expensive. If you don't like the results, you can requeen later. Others will doubtless disagree with this, but I try to interfere with their biology as little as possible. 3). Search one of the newsgroup sites (http://deja.com). I don't know of any FAQ. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:ameV4.1162$vn5.102109@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > > My questions are: > > 1. I assumed they swarmed because the brood nest was confined > by the frames of honey. The person who sold me the nuc said > this was so. Another veteran disagrees. He says as long as > they had some drawn frames to raise brood, they weren't confined. > He also says that the nuc I bought was probably made from a swarm > and they had the swarm instinct. What do you think? > > 2. I found one big queen cell and a cluster of them on one frame, all > capped. Should I let them raise a new queen or destroy the cells > and introduce a new purchased queen? If I let them make a queen, > should I destroy all but one cell? > > 3. Is there a FAQ for this group? > > Thanks! > > Chris Bjelica > cbjelica@gte.net > > > > > > > Article 25068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 15 Message-ID: <20006-3923F98A-10@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQnWWYsfQqr05za/BTpZMr/J160pAIVALDs2h5lEHlP9vE+mBLVn/WeaAYi Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25068 Hi Again, After recently installing a new package of bees, it was our understanding that bees were very protective of their hive. The bees that we have installed, allow us to sit very close to the hive and observe, so close that we are able to reach out and touch the hive. My children ages 11, 8, and 5, are the ones suiting up and checking the frames. We are there with him in no protective clothing. We don't even have to use much smoke. Is this normal behaviour. Will there temperment change later. Are they too busy to care that we are there? Thanks, Melissa Article 25069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Peter Sanderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why does smoke make bees go dozy Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:44:37 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 18 Sender: jps114@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <39240FE5.A6E6830C@york.ac.uk> References: <3923EEC5.64F8927D@dtn.ntl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cst231.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 958664678 21847 144.32.8.45 (18 May 2000 15:44:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 15:44:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25069 "felix.jckson" wrote: > > OK so this is probley a simple question to guys however i have got into > an arguement about this ...so can any one help me by telling me why bees > go dozy around smoke? > Thank you AKAIK, its because in forest fires, bees eat the honey so that it is not wasted if the hive has to move. Smoke makes the bees think that there is a fire which might threaten the hive, so they gorge themselves. They then become more docile. (I defy you to agitate a bee on a full stomach:) )Perhaps also, the threat of fire is more pressing than the threat of invasion so they pay less attention to the beekeeper. Once the perceived threat has gone, the bees regurgitate the honey. Peter Article 25070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving honey Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:37:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8g4go9$g2k$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3921a245_2@news.vic.com> <8g1s9d$5co$8@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <39249ea2_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-76.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958776905 16468 62.136.94.204 (19 May 2000 22:55:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2000 22:55:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25070 I work exclusively with single brood boxes and would use the box either when making an artificial swarm, or to hive a swarm. In your case, provided that the queen is sufficiently vigorous to lay up two brood boxes, then they should move the honey up (or at least, the honey that they do not use to produce all that brood!). "Larry W" wrote in message news:39249ea2_2@news.vic.com... > Peter: > Do you mean as a double brood box or start a new hive with it? I just > extracted a super from it today and put it back on empty hopefully they will > move it now. I will put on an excluder, that hive will be a double. > > Thank you > > Larry > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:8g1s9d$5co$8@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Use it as a brood box, put a queen excluder and an empty super over it. > As > > the queen fills the box with brood the bees will move the honey up to make > > space; they will do it faster if you damage the cappings. > > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3921a245_2@news.vic.com... > > > I have a brood box about 1/2 full with honey, no brood, my extractor is > > for > > > shallow supers only. What is the best way to get the bees to move the > > honey > > > from the deep frames into the shallow super frames. Should I put the > deep > > on > > > first then the shallow or the reverse. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Hello and a Question Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:41:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8g4goa$g2k$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8fu7c8$2mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-76.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958776906 16468 62.136.94.204 (19 May 2000 22:55:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2000 22:55:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25071 This does work fine and the books say that you can run a swarm into a hive on top of another swarm for up to a week after hiving the first swarm; however, although this seems to work in fine weather, I have had several terrible battles when doing this at the end of a flow. "Russell Sears" wrote in message news:39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net... > I've never tried this but I'm told that you can combine two swarms by > dumping them both on the ground in front of the new hive. They'll both > march in and settle the queen issue themselves. Let us know what you do > and what happens. Article 25072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:55:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8g4gob$g2k$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> <20000518203215.23338.00000049@ng-fy1.aol.com> <39249db4_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-76.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958776907 16468 62.136.94.204 (19 May 2000 22:55:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2000 22:55:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25072 If it doesn't shake, then you can put up > to a > > quarter of the total from uncapped frames. >> Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com --------------------------------- Disagree with this totally! When a flow ends the bees may have large amounts of uncapped honey. It is uncapped because they are waiting for more to fill the cells - but it will have been 'ripened' thoroughly and can be extracted. The crucial factor is water content. Ideally, beekeepers would check this with a refractometer, but for all practical purposes if you hold the frame horizontally and give it a sharp shake (not so hard that you separate the comb from the frame!) and no honey comes out, then it is safe to extract. I would go further and say that if only a small amount can be shaken out and there is a large amount of sealed honey, then the resulting mix will be fine when extracted. In this area we have a considerable amount of oil seed rape which must be extracted as soon as the flowers drop to avoid granulation in the comb; however, there is often a flow from hawthorn at this time which adds fresh nectar to the combs. It then becomes a matter of fine judgement about when to remove the crop and the quantity of fresh nectar that can be allowed. It is helpful in this situation to remove the crop in the morning - after the bees have had the night to process the nectar and before they have been able to add more. Article 25073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:54:51 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 958634361 203.37.7.80 (Thu, 18 May 2000 17:19:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:19:21 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:19:21 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25073 I generally catch and hive 20+ swarms each spring it is normal to loose one or two. It is generally a good idea to put the swarm into a hive with some drawn, preferably sticky comb. They clean the comb immediately then if the queen in already mated then she starts laying almost immediately then your box is home sweet home Steve Newport wrote in message news:3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com... > Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive > and all seemed to go well. > > Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. > > Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from > happening? > > Thanks > Stev Newport > Sussex UK Article 25074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3923EEC5.64F8927D@dtn.ntl.com> From: "felix.jckson" Reply-To: felix.jackson@dtn.ntl.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: why does smoke make bees go dozy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:23:17 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.73.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 958656300 62.252.73.24 (Thu, 18 May 2000 14:25:00 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:25:00 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25074 OK so this is probley a simple question to guys however i have got into an arguement about this ...so can any one help me by telling me why bees go dozy around smoke? Thank you Article 25075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Bruce and Chris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Marking Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:02:54 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3925E43E.A20E73DD@bangornews.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bngrb102-20.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25075 Hi All- Can anyone tell me what "paint" to use to mark a queen. Also, any tips or things to aviod, etc. in doing this. thank you, Bruce Article 25076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:43:21 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <392439C9.58FE50E7@kingston.net> References: <20006-3923F98A-10@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25076 Hi Melissa, I've sit by my hives all the time. I find it beneficial to watch what's happening. There are better and worse times. As your hive grows there will be alot of traffic in front. When there is a good nectar flow the bees are usually in good humour. But if the weathers been bad and/or there is no nectar flow you will sometimes encounter a bee who's looking for an argument. But most of the time 99% me and my son sit, watch and discuss what's happening. My grandfather would sit by his hives on sundays and read his western magazines. As long as you or other critters are not rough with the hive or constantly in it poking around, the bees will for the most part not mind you there. You will get to know the direction of flight the bees take so avoid their path. Kent Article 25077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee removal Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 47 Message-ID: <20619-39268D0C-10@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQKxAPf1HnBMomXTZ/FWdRXdcHK5AIUFxmiZSyq+0A32TKtE64ymH01Dko= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25077 I've been beekeeping for about four years and enjoy it immensely. I have hived my first two swarms this spring. Luckily, both swarms were very accessible and I had no difficulty at all except for my controlling my nerves. A friend called yesterday about bees living in the ceiling of another lady's sunroom. She lives in a very nice suburban neighborhood with a mostly elderly population. When I spoke to the woman, she told me that bees had been there about five years ago. When she asked local bee keepers what she should do, they told her it would be difficult to remove them and to just ignore the bees since mites would kill them off anyway. That's what she did and now her problem has returned with a vengeance. She just returned home from a nice long vacation to a nightmare. To make a long story short, the bees are back and a lot of them are dying and falling into her sunroom. There are bees flying in and out and she is afraid for her animals not to mention that she cannot use her sunroom. On top of that, she has honey running down her walls. She does not want to kill the bees (which I find commendable) and has offered to pay to have them removed and the wall and ceiling repaired. I told her I would check with the local bee club ASAP to get her some help. I called a local member last night. He said he would do what he could but he doubted anyone would be interested in trying to remove them because of the potential problems, difficulty of removal, disgruntled home owner, saw suits, etc. I wonder if it is possible to take a small hive to her home and let them rob out the hive in her ceiling. Obviously the bees there are in great distress from mites. I hope mites are the only problem! ( I even suggested, tongue in cheek, that we insert an Apistan strip so that they could at least maintain their hive, put a stop to the dying bees, and staunch her honeyflow.) With the honey removed by robbing bees, at least she won't have the mess of the honey oozing from above. Then she could hire a contractor to come in and do the repairs which need to be done anyway. The comb could be taken out at that time and any entrances sealed against a new swarm. I am just thinking out loud. Any suggestions. I have enjoyed stories related here about bee removals from much more difficult locations. Any suggestions. Thanks in advance. Donna Article 25078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: anotherMELISSA@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: differences between Africanized bees and regular bees. Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 35 Message-ID: <25439-39269BE9-1@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-3123-153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRGYBDEkrW0XKxK3NW0EyPWhnW+xgIVAKFPY5IbuVV93UjGpB/MaQw5fEjK Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=blue Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25078 --WebTV-Mail-3123-153 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Is there any way to tell the difference, other than the temperment, between the Africanized bees and regular bees. I was going to attempt a swarm that is near by, but some of the postings have given me second thoughts. 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BeeKeeping Journal --WebTV-Mail-3123-153-- Article 25079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: differences between Africanized bees and regular bees. Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:28:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25079 see the "ahb in the southwest usa" thread... Article 25080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: digman@cyberport.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rookie questions Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:49:51 GMT Message-ID: <39246d6f.8531365@news.cyberport.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm13-119.cyberport.com Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.228.130 X-Trace: 18 May 2000 16:48:51 -0600, 199.45.228.130 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!news.coop.net!news.gj.net!pm13-119.cyberport.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25080 I ordered a new hive, 4 lbs of bees, and a queen. The bees shipped from Georgia on 5/09. Arrived in NW New Mexico on 5/13. We fed them a 1:1 sugar syrup for a day, then set the hive up 5/14 in the evening. Poked the corks out of the ends of the queen cage, but did not cram any candy in it. Couldn't get it to stay on top of the hive frame rails as recommended, got nervous, and set it in the bottom of the hive. When I checked the next day, there was about 1/2 cup of dead bees that had been cleaned out of the hive and dumped in front ot the entrance. Continued to feed this week with a 1 qt. entrance feeder. They eat about 1 qt. every 2 days. Checked the hive today, and the queen cage was lying on the ground in front of the hive, empty. Lifted two middle frames, and it appears that there are a few cells with what looks like honey (uncapped) in there. I could'nt tell if they were drawing out comb, but the foundation was bulged, as if warped. Is new comb the same color as the plastic foundation? It was almost an optical illusion effect, in that I couldn't see the depth of the foundation/comb. The bees are quite active within the hive, and very gentle. Some have pollen on them, so some have been foraging, but it doesn't seem like many are moving in and out of the hive. While watching the entrance for about 60 seconds it looked like 2 dozen or more entered and left, but didn't seem to be making a "beeline" for anything. I also do not have an entrance reducer on the hive. How did the queen cage get outside the hive? Can bees push something that big out? Or did some critter pull it out since I didn't use a reducer? Does this description sound like a normal new hive? Thanks. Article 25081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:59:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8g1s95$5co$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20006-3923F98A-10@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690405 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25081 They may well change, so do be careful. Newly installed small colonies are far less defensive than a large well established colony. Weather conditions and the state of nectar flows will also affect temper. "Melissa" wrote in message news:20006-3923F98A-10@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > Hi Again, > > After recently installing a new package of bees, it was our > understanding that bees were very protective of their hive. The bees > that we have installed, allow us to sit very close to the hive and > observe, so close that we are able to reach out and touch the hive. My > children ages 11, 8, and 5, are the ones suiting up and checking the > frames. We are there with him in no protective clothing. We don't even > have to use much smoke. Is this normal behaviour. Will there > temperment change later. Are they too busy to care that we are there? > > Thanks, > > Melissa > Article 25082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:09:34 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8g1s96$5co$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000517215644.13563.00000895@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> <39234e94.26899738@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690406 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25082 > The Wall Mart pharmacy can get it for you in 100 gram bottles. About > $24 I think. Talk to the head pharmacist and let him know what you > are using it for. The worst that can happen is he will say you need a > prescription which your vet will be able to provide. > > Greg the beekeep >------------------------------------------- That seems incredibly expensive. In the UK I have purchased thymol from RC Treatt Ltd. The price for 15kg was £10.25 per kg. Thymol is used as a food flavouring agent - so this may be your best area to explore for suppliers. Article 25083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Bee Dream Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:10:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8g1s97$5co$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690407 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25083 alt.religion.kibology:238397 Keep taking the tablets! "Simon de Vet" wrote in message news:39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca... > Last night I had a bee dream... > > I had ordered an package of bees. The bees arrived in a white paper bag, > neatly folded to envelope size. Attached to the end of the bag was a > cassette attachment, which could be plugged into a car stereo. It also > included a key, to turn it on. > > I plugged it into the cassette slot on the mailbox, which was in our > backyard for some reason, and turned the key. Nothing happened. After > several minutes, the bag started to inflate, much like microwave > popcorn. It was completely silent. > > With the help of my father, I tied the bag onto a tree where we wanted > to keep the hive, and attached one end of a string to the flap keeping > the bag closed. Running inside, we pulled the string to open the flap, > and out flew a swarm, which quickly wrapped itself around the back of > our lawn chairs. > > [stuff forgotten] > > Later, I notice a few bees crawling on the outside of the living room > windows. Quickly, these few bees become a few dozen, all frantic to get > in. I look down and see why. A queen bee is sitting on the table. I know > it's the queen since it's well over 30 cm long, has a head the size of a > Ping-Pong ball, is light brown, and is shaped a little like a weasel > with wings. There are a few drones flying around it. > > I run to find my mother, to show her. When we return to the living room, > the queen is gone, along with the entire side wall. > > Something happens involving a different family camping and green glowing > bees. I'm a little fuzzy on this part. > > > What does this dream mean? Where can I buy my instant bee package? > > Simon > Article 25084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First check of new hive... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:17:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 57 Message-ID: <8g1s9a$5co$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BFC11F.4A5514A0" X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690410 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25084 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BFC11F.4A5514A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wrote in message = news:1171-3922F242-69@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net... Hello, Pulled up a frame after about 4 days of the queen being released. I really have no clue as to what I'm looking at. =20 ------------------------------------------------ Time to join your local association and get help from local = beekeepers. There is little point in pulling colonies apart if you have = no idea what you are doing. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BFC11F.4A5514A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hello,

Pulled up a frame after about 4 days of the queen = being=20 released.  I
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Time to join your local association and get help from local=20 beekeepers.  There is little point in pulling colonies apart if = you have=20 no idea what you are doing.
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BFC11F.4A5514A0-- Article 25085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not removing honey Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:20:19 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8g1s9b$5co$6@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8fumn2$i0n$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690411 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25085 "steve hird" wrote in message news:8fumn2$i0n$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com... > I am wondering if everyone removes excess honey in the spring > or if it is just as goo of idea to leave it until the fall when you could > gather it all ---------------------------- Remove it if you have oil seed rape growing in your area as the honey will set in the comb if you do not. Otherwise, once a year is probably enough mess to cope with! Article 25086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:26:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8g1s9c$5co$7@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690412 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25086 "Howard Bowles" wrote in message news:eKmU4.69502$fV.4282880@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I am having a problem re-queening a hive. Here is the scenario. About two > weeks ago I went through the hive which is consists of two deeps and two > western supers. I could not find an egg in any of the boxes. I did find an > amount of capped brood and at least two supercedure cells (empty) and one > swarm cell with the virgin queen just breaking out; she got away from me and > I could not find her again. ----------------------- You will not be able to introduce a new queen into a hive with a virgin running loose; it is also difficult to introduce a laying queen to a colony without brood in all stages. Probably best to allow your virgin to mate and take over the hive; then you can replace her if you wish. Article 25087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving honey Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:29:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8g1s9d$5co$8@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3921a245_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690413 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25087 Use it as a brood box, put a queen excluder and an empty super over it. As the queen fills the box with brood the bees will move the honey up to make space; they will do it faster if you damage the cappings. "Larry W" wrote in message news:3921a245_2@news.vic.com... > I have a brood box about 1/2 full with honey, no brood, my extractor is for > shallow supers only. What is the best way to get the bees to move the honey > from the deep frames into the shallow super frames. Should I put the deep on > first then the shallow or the reverse. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 25088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting Question - What is Normal Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:47:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8g1s9g$5co$10@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690416 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25088 For a first sting it is probably normal. The reaction should get less with further stings (although the initial pain will not!). The danger signs are when you get an increased reaction after a number of stings. e.g. local swelling, gross swelling, breathing difficulties (wheezing) and so on. wrote in message news:8fnb4a$eo9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I think this is in the range of normal but my wife and mother want me > to check so figured I would ask (seeing its mother's day) > > I got stung good two days ago on my finger...my hand swelled up fri > night and sat, and my wrist today...not really painful just really > swollen and seems to have moved from just hand to hand and arm... > > How long should the swelling last...is more than 48 hours normal or do > they normally last longer (most of the stings I get don't puff up like > this, but this one got me good, also want to make sure it really is the > sting and not an infection from when i scraped out the > stinger)...anyway i guess i am asking what is the normal amount of time > for the extreme sweelign to last (hours, days, etc) > > Thanks > > Ron E. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on swarming Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:37:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 79 Message-ID: <8g1s9e$5co$9@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3921F11E.C011E513@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690414 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25089 Usual sequence is: colony builds queen cells; when first queen cell is sealed, old queen leaves with prime swarm (approx half the bees); queens cells start hatching after 7 days and then there are several options; first queen may mate, kill the queens/larvae in the remaining cells and take over the hive OR she may fly and take a second swarm with her (cast or afterswarm); if she leaves with a swarm this process may be repeated and the next queen to emerge may swarm or take over the hive - and so on. Sometimes hives swarm before the first queen cell is sealed (particularly if the beekeeper tries to prevent swarming by destroying queen cells). Sometimes the old queen is unable to fly (perhaps a clipped queen) and then the first queen to emerge will leave with a 'prime' swarm - usually a very large one. "Dusty Bleher" wrote in message news:si88cnobimp96@news.supernews.com... > "Prime swarm"? "afterswarms"? I only ever knew "swarm". Every so often, > usually in response to crowding, we'd find queen cells. I used to move that > frame to the "window" side (a covered glazed side wall), and peek in there on > a regular basis (I spent countless hundreds of hours enthralled by the > activity...). I watched dozens of times the emerging of the queen, and her > hunt for other queens (whom she killed). I had been told that if two queens > hatched, that they'd have a fight to the death. While I saw lots of queens > get killed (in their cells), I never did see a royal wrestling match. > > I'd mark them, sometimes within moments of emerging. And as far as I can ever > recall, they were the ones that flew away. It's been a lot of years, but I > can still recall the events clearly... > > > "kent stienburg" wrote in message > news:3921F11E.C011E513@kingston.net... > > Hi Dusty, > > > > I've only had the old queen go with the prime swarm. Right after the > > cells are capped. This is why it takes a while after a swarm to get > > going again. The time needed for the queen to hatch and mate. I've > > only seen young queens in afterswarms. Maybe I've misinterpreted your > > message but it seems to me you are saying you have seen young queens go > > in the prime swarm and the old queen stays put? > Yes. Exactly that. But it was what I was told would happen, and it seemed to > work that way. It's certainly possible that in the confusion of the going's > on in the hive that I lost track of things. But I was pretty sure I saw this > repeated lots of times... > > Hey look! I'm certainly not the expert in this. And I'm willing to be shown > wrong (that's after all how one learns). But I'm still baffled as to why the > old queen would fly away. Because as she gets older she gets less and less > able to fly. Lots of times the workers drag her around just to move her. > I've seen old queens that only had stumps for wings. Now I don't know if this > was due to accident or other happenstance, or just the natural degradation > that occurs to all living things as we age... > > > Best regards to you all folks, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > > Kent > > Article 25090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controling varroa by increasing drone cells Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:51:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8g1s9h$5co$11@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000508092605.19426.00001954@ng-bg1.aol.com> <8f8q4q$b8l$2@lure.pipex.net> <391E9BEF.2BC3C7AE@fabaris.it> <391F12ED.CD839467@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01BFC124.08EA00C0" X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690417 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25090 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01BFC124.08EA00C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a thought: even if you do get to them in time, does drone trapping = select for mites that prefer worker brood? "peter dillon" wrote in message = news:391F12ED.CD839467@club-internet.fr... Drone trapping- great if you can visit at the right time!- if not you = finish up with a rapid increase in the number of mites in the hive after = the drones have emerged from their cells- take care!!=20 Peter=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01BFC124.08EA00C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a thought: even if you do get = to them in=20 time, does drone trapping select for mites that prefer worker=20 brood?
"peter dillon" <pdillon@club-internet.fr>= wrote=20 in message news:391F12ED.CD839467@c= lub-internet.fr...
Drone=20 trapping- great if you can visit at the right time!- if not you finish = up with=20 a rapid increase in the number of mites in the hive after the drones = have=20 emerged from their cells- take care!!
Peter = ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01BFC124.08EA00C0-- Article 25091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Shipping on your Beekeeping Needs Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:54:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8g1s9j$5co$13@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <391D9A89.FA1DD33@honeyroad.com> <20000517185752.24297.00004207@ng-cd1.aol.com> <39234de2.26721946@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-230.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 958690419 5528 62.136.2.230 (18 May 2000 22:53:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2000 22:53:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25091 It may nor may not be spam, but it is certainly of little interest to those of us not located in your area. wrote in message news:39234de2.26721946@news1.radix.net... > On 17 May 2000 22:57:52 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) > wrote: > > >>Dear Allen, > >>I'm sorry that you find my email to be SPAM. I could see if I was soliciting > >>something like life insurance or cable boxes. But I am trying to supply > >>Beekeeping Equipment. Article 25092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee removal - rober bees, not a new swarm! Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <3926a4fb.95636489@news.earthlink.net> References: <20619-39268D0C-10@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 74 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:26:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.13.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 958836374 209.245.13.208 (Sat, 20 May 2000 08:26:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:26:14 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25092 Donna, What the beekeepers told you was 'essentially' true regarding leaving the bees alone. However the cost of having a beehive die on it's own is nearly the same as having a pesiticide outfit do the job for you. The costs don't stop when the last group dies. If you have a hive in your house and leave it alone, all you are asking for is more swarms in other parts of your house. 2 out of 8 swarm removals so far this month have been multiple removals which is about average. Having the bees killed by pesticide is usually an 'every year' occasion at the cost of $75-$125 plus the swarm which could have gone to use elsewhere. 80-90% of bee removals were repeat pesticide kills until the hive is removed and the space insulated. The honey dripping down the walls is from a meltdown. Bees keep the hive cooled with water and fanning their wings. Unattended hives will melt from the sun's heat causing an enormous mess. The hive your friend has likely isn't another 'frantic' swarm but neighboring robbers! Look on the outside of the hive entrance and you should see a blackened landing area where frantic robbers are rubbing their dirty feet. The dead you see are from bees fighting each other for food or from getting caught in the sunroom. What will happen next? After the hive is robbed out, for the next month there will still be lingering robbers dropping in to make sure every scrap is scavenged. These robbers are coming from every available hive in a three mile vicinity. What are the risks? As these robbers take notice of your friends old hive, any swarm coming from their hives will likely end up back at your friends sunroom. It's swarm season in most places across the country, some more than others. Swarms just started last week here in Castle Rock, CO. Denver swarms started six weeks ago. What can you do? Now is the time to find someone whom will remove that beehive. If the robbers have had their way with that hive for several day the remaining hive is likely very light. The trick is to INSULATE the space that holds the inviting smell of old wax and comb after the hive is cut out. Bees need space to build hives regardless if they gain entry to the old hive. The old entrance and all cracks should be sealed and caulked with knowledge that bees can and WILL chew through caulk if the old hive isn't removed. Generally the beehives must be left open after a bee removal so that robber bees and pests can rob out the remaining scant honey coating the old hive area. After about 10 days, hire a contractor to insulate, caulk and nail back the boards/repair the drywall and you won't have any more beehives in that location. Attention should be paid to cracks throughout your exterior now that the house 'was' a target for bees. How much should you pay? For the average service, without reconstruction, I charge $300-$400 and have a growing list of bee removals. My competition charges $800 minimum. How can you find beekeepers to remove your beehive? Advertise on the newsgroup with your state and city listed; ask beekeepers for other beekeepers whom may be interested; call beekeeping supply companies; call your state beekeeping inspector; contact local bee groups. On Sat, 20 May 2000 09:03:08 -0400 (EDT), helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) wrote: >anyway. That's what she did and now her problem has returned with a >vengeance. She just returned home from a nice long vacation to a >nightmare. > >To make a long story short, the bees are back and a lot of them are >dying and falling into her sunroom. There are bees flying in and out >and she is afraid for her animals not to mention that she cannot use her >sunroom. On top of that, she has honey running down her walls. She >does not want to kill the bees (which I find commendable) and has >offered to pay to have them removed and the wall and ceiling repaired. Article 25093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: 19 May 2000 09:33:18 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 77 Message-ID: <8g3fqu$7do$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8fugtp$pdu$1@lure.pipex.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: reality check Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25093 In article <8fugtp$pdu$1@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle wrote: >Misunderstanding here. The new virgin Q flies out and finds drones which >probably came from many other hives. Recent research indicates she mates >with as many as 17 different drones, so inbreeding is pretty unlikely, or at >least limited to a small proportion of her progeny. Dealing with systems that are based on random variables, one must be aware that there is not a specific, formulaic "rule" to define the system. The evolution of haplo-diploidy in hymenoptera has not been well explicated, and any "research" and subsequent scant "theory" is just that, theory, which we can test and ponder. Virgin queens can mate many times or few times. Some have a full spermatheca when mated, some don't. Some might have 8 micro-liters of semen within the spermatheca, some might have 3 micro-liters. "Research" on virgin queen honey bees is very sketchy. The study mentioned above, where the queen mates with ~ 17 drones, was it replicated in other habitats, at other times of the year, with other populations of honey bees? Probably not. In fact, I'd wager not, and I haven't read that paper although I remember some papers that stated ~ 14 drones. The number of drones isn't really the issue here in this fascinating realm of hymenopteran genetics/selection. The question one might consider instead is: Who was first in the evolution of haplo-diploid hymenopteran insects: The queen, or the workers? Who runs the show? Who determines via our old friend, natural selection, what the offspring's genetics and subsequent phenotype will be? It's moot to decide that honey bees, due to their haplo-diploid sex expression, evolved multiple matings. Some haplo-diploid hymenopterans( e.g. some ants) do not multiply mate. However, multiple matings in honey bees are most certainly a selected phenomenon, dually, from environment and organism. Do cape bees multiply mate? How about bees that are morphometrically measured as "African" bees. Do they multiply mate like our selected honey producers we call "honey bees"? How about the inheritance of sex alleles in honey bees? I refer you to Rinderer's book _Bee Genetics and Breeding_ for a thorough handling of this subject. Basically, with homozygosity, honey bee colonies become less and less vigorous. It doesn't take very long for a population of honey bees to become homozygous for sex alleles, thus exemplifying inbreeding depression. 17 drones or 1700, if the population isn't managed properly, even with the multiple mating mechanism functioning, given populations of honey bees may indeed become less fit, due to inbreeding depression (via sex allele homogenaiety). In the wild? Are there wild honey bees? We've domesticated them, at least in honey producing populations. Feral swarms? Are they feral? Most likely, not. >The drones in a hive >are not just waiting for queens from that hive. Drones and Qs meet perhaps a >long way from the hive at places where drones congregate and wait for Qs to >arrive on mating flights. there can be hundreds of drones present, from many >different hives. No problems here except if the hives are members of a population becoming more homozygous for sex alleles. Ask any large queen breeder about decline over time. >Another point - since the Q produces her eggs by meiosis, a great many >different 'deals' of the genetic material are possible and she may produce >as many genetically different drones. Often you will see drones of different >colours emerging in the one hive. True, but crossing-over's (the meiotic process where chromosomes are mixed to re-shuffle the genome somewhat) effect isn't enough when sex allellic homozygosity permeates the population. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:26:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8g7325$3ui$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-57.adderall.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 958861189 4050 62.136.76.57 (20 May 2000 22:19:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2000 22:19:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25094 It may dilute the honey and prevent it keeping well - it is likely to ferment. Bees cap the honey when the water content drops below a certain level. Larry W wrote in message news:39246c09_2@news.vic.com... > Will it hurt the flavor to get a frame of uncapped honey mixed with the > capped? I just extracted 9 frames with about 1 total frame uncapped which a > little was on 3 frames. > > Thanks > > Larry. > > Article 25095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <17408-3926F4A1-37@storefull-108.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRwp7UvQciO+MnbQN4ilR6MFacXdwIVAMD4IGYX0K2Y9HDGtaZNqWjBpMUU Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25095 Why not combine the bees with your good hive? You'll be set for the cane berries in a couple of weeks. Hank Mishima Fairview OR To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 25096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39272978.F82B1C56@telusplanet.net> From: buzz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weak splits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:10:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.202.233 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 958864207 161.184.202.233 (Sat, 20 May 2000 17:10:07 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:10:07 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25096 Recently I done up a couple os splits. Alot of the bees drifted back to the original queen. The splits seemed quite week so I put 2 more frames of capped brood in from original colony, bees and all. (making sure the queen still on her throne) I then plugged the entrance with grass. Is this going to work? How long should I keep the Entrance plugged ? Buzz............ Article 25097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: New site - Agri! Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:55:17 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8g78o9$olt$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8ft3i2$6af$1@serv.vrn.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm71.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958867017 25277 62.188.4.91 (20 May 2000 23:56:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2000 23:56:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:42615 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25097 sci.agriculture.fruit:3579 sci.agriculture.poultry:22457 sci.agriculture.ratites:1615 O.K., Don't get excited! This is what it says:- Oleg B. Moskalev wrote in message news:8ft3i2$6af$1@serv.vrn.ru... > http://www.good.vol.ru/agro/index.html - try it! > > -- ôÏÌØËÏ ÐÏ ÒÕÓÓËÉ! All in Russian! > ----------------------------------------------------- > Oleg B. Moskalev > go@olegb.vrn.ru > www.vol.ru > www.good.vol.ru > ICQ 69445526 > ïÄÉÇÏ (eLine): 271890 Odigo (got me there - don't know what that means - nothing in my dictionary, either) > Ó 6 ÄÏ 8 ÕÔÒÁ From 6 until 8 in the morning > ôÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ, ÔÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ... Taram Baram, taram Baram (fanfare noises?) > > Shall I tell him it's advertising and not strictly allowed? Adam, what do you think? Martin. Article 25098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: New site - Agri! Message-ID: References: <8ft3i2$6af$1@serv.vrn.ru> <8g78o9$olt$1@lure.pipex.net> <8g7l9b$t1c$1@serv.vrn.ru> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 50 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:37:47 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:34:27 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:42619 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25098 sci.agriculture.fruit:3580 sci.agriculture.poultry:22460 sci.agriculture.ratites:1616 that is greek to me dude In article <8g7l9b$t1c$1@serv.vrn.ru>, go@olegb.vrn.ru says... > Not decently to speak about the man - when he hears; excuse that has > transmitted - I did not know... > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Oleg B. Moskalev > go@olegb.vrn.ru > www.vol.ru > www.good.vol.ru > ICQ 69445526 > ïÄÉÇÏ (eLine): 271890 > Ó 6 ÄÏ 8 ÕÔÒÁ > ôÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ, ÔÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ... > Pamela Buckle ÐÉÛÅÔ × > ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ:8g78o9$olt$1@lure.pipex.net... > > O.K., Don't get excited! This is what it says:- > > Oleg B. Moskalev wrote in message > > news:8ft3i2$6af$1@serv.vrn.ru... > > > http://www.good.vol.ru/agro/index.html - try it! > > > > > > -- ôÏÌØËÏ ÐÏ ÒÕÓÓËÉ! > > All in Russian! > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Oleg B. Moskalev > > > go@olegb.vrn.ru > > > www.vol.ru > > > www.good.vol.ru > > > ICQ 69445526 > > > ïÄÉÇÏ (eLine): 271890 > > Odigo (got me there - don't know what that means - nothing in my > dictionary, > > either) > > > Ó 6 ÄÏ 8 ÕÔÒÁ > > From 6 until 8 in the morning > > > ôÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ, ÔÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ... > > Taram Baram, taram Baram (fanfare noises?) > > > > > > > > Shall I tell him it's advertising and not strictly allowed? Adam, what do > > you think? > > > > Martin. > > > > > > > Article 25099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.relcom.ru!news.vrn.ru!not-for-mail From: "Oleg B. Moskalev" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: New site - Agri! Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:16:09 +0400 Organization: éÎÆÏÒÍÓ×ÑÚØ-þÅÒÎÏÚÅÍØÅ Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8g7l9b$t1c$1@serv.vrn.ru> References: <8ft3i2$6af$1@serv.vrn.ru> <8g78o9$olt$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tf-pool-50.vrn.ru X-Trace: serv.vrn.ru 958879851 29740 195.98.67.50 (21 May 2000 03:30:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@serv.vrn.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2000 03:30:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:42620 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25099 sci.agriculture.fruit:3581 sci.agriculture.poultry:22461 sci.agriculture.ratites:1617 Not decently to speak about the man - when he hears; excuse that has transmitted - I did not know... -- ----------------------------------------------------- Oleg B. Moskalev go@olegb.vrn.ru www.vol.ru www.good.vol.ru ICQ 69445526 ïÄÉÇÏ (eLine): 271890 Ó 6 ÄÏ 8 ÕÔÒÁ ôÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ, ÔÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ... Pamela Buckle ÐÉÛÅÔ × ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ:8g78o9$olt$1@lure.pipex.net... > O.K., Don't get excited! This is what it says:- > Oleg B. Moskalev wrote in message > news:8ft3i2$6af$1@serv.vrn.ru... > > http://www.good.vol.ru/agro/index.html - try it! > > > > -- ôÏÌØËÏ ÐÏ ÒÕÓÓËÉ! > All in Russian! > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Oleg B. Moskalev > > go@olegb.vrn.ru > > www.vol.ru > > www.good.vol.ru > > ICQ 69445526 > > ïÄÉÇÏ (eLine): 271890 > Odigo (got me there - don't know what that means - nothing in my dictionary, > either) > > Ó 6 ÄÏ 8 ÕÔÒÁ > From 6 until 8 in the morning > > ôÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ, ÔÁÒÁÍ ÂÁÒÁÍ... > Taram Baram, taram Baram (fanfare noises?) > > > > > Shall I tell him it's advertising and not strictly allowed? Adam, what do > you think? > > Martin. > > Article 25100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Re-Queening problem Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 04:28:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.105.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958883320 12.73.105.219 (Sun, 21 May 2000 04:28:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 04:28:40 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25100 Now, for the rest of the story. I went out to the hive this Friday, fully prepared to put another queen in the box. However I decided to go through every frame before risking another queen. With the help of another beekeeper, each of us independently looking over the frames we, or I should say Bob, found the Carniolan queen I introduced just about 2 weeks ago. She had just starting laying. Perhaps 30-40 eggs in one frame. Don't know what took her so long or why, just glad she is there and apparently working. The bees have settled down nicely and are back to work. Just hope the weather cooperates. Thanks for all the help. HB Article 25101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3925E43E.A20E73DD@bangornews.infi.net> Subject: Re: Queen Marking Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:14:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 958796066 12.72.205.85 (Sat, 20 May 2000 04:14:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:14:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25101 Testor's paint pens work well and are available at hobby stores and such for about $3 USD. The red blue and green are not real vivid colors so if it is visibility that you are primarily interested in you might stick to white. WhiteOut also works well. DON'T USE A QUEEN CATCHER. Make sure your fingers are clean of sticky propolis and grab her by the thorax between your thumb and index finger. If you are afraid you will squeeze her too hard then you probably will. In this case don't try to pick her up. Cut a 2" square of 1/4" hardware cloth and place in over her. Gently press until her thorax pops up through one of the holes and she is immobilized. Dot her and let it dry a bit before you release her. Don't get it on her eyes or wing joints. It takes very little paint on the nib of the paint pens. Practice on a few drones first! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Bruce and Chris" wrote in message news:3925E43E.A20E73DD@bangornews.infi.net... > Hi All- > > Can anyone tell me what "paint" to use to mark a queen. Also, any tips > or things to aviod, etc. in doing this. > > thank you, > > Bruce > Article 25102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> <3913430B.F65D3B49@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:24:38 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.66 Message-ID: <39282899_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 21 May 2000 14:19:05 -0400, 208.24.176.66 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25102 I have 2 hives that Im moving about 50 ft.One of those hives was one that had lost the queen last month. I found new eggs last weekend and capped brood thursday. Well last night after moving the hive 3 ft. (Its on a cart). I was walking back to the house when I got zapped on the shin. I figured that some bees were on the ground as I didnt get withen 2 ft of the hive. I got a flash light and started looking on the ground when I heard bees in flight, by the time I ran back to the porch there were about a dozen bees flying around the porch light, which was the only sorce of light and cant be seen from the hive about 50 ft away. Them suckers are still mean. I hope by the end of the month all the old bees wil be gone and the new ones will have taken over, if there still mean Ill have to try and requeen again. They started out with a mean Italian queen 2 years ago as a 3lb box. I requeend with a Buckfast then this year they superceeded her. If I crack the top a little bees come boiling out and I have a cloud around my head that follow me untill I enter the guarage then they waite by the door for me to come out for hours. Out of 4 hives that is the only one. Larry Article 25103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need info re:Catalpa trees Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:12:30 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3928513E.96EEF4A@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25103 I've made a quick search of the archives and searched Bee-L's archives for info regarding the Catalpa tree's value to honeybees - there wasn't much. I am trying to locate sites for my swarm traps and wondered if catalpa trees might be a good option since they happen to be in bloom right now. I usually target persimmon groves, but they aren't due to bloom for another week or so. I *do* know what to do with the catalpa worms - fantastic bait... AL Article 25104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee removal Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 2000 01:25:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000521212514.02751.00000528@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25104 >Ralph - Do the Yale hymenopterans display any more erudition, would you >say, as compared to the ordinary country bee, such as, for example, a bee >living in North Carolina with hk1beeman? Peter, I would say no. Except for the bees in the phylosophy building. But what it really boils down to, is that with a check from Yale you never have to wonder if it will clear the bank! Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Article 25105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-122.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aggressive Swarm Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:02:17 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.7a X-Server-Date: 22 May 2000 03:05:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25105 Greetings, all... I hived a small swarm about a month ago, and the bees seem to be very aggressive... much more so than the bees I've kept previously. These bees swarmed out of a feral colony living under the room of someone's home. Is this aggressive nature common in this kind of swarm? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> <3913430B.F65D3B49@club-internet.fr> <39282899_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:03:50 -0500 Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.59 Message-ID: <3928b084_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 21 May 2000 23:59:00 -0400, 208.24.176.59 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.59 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25106 Peter: They were mean a long time before I started moving the hive. I just started 3 days ago. the nightly move is very gentle, takes about 5 minuets to just pull the card 3 ft so as not to disturb them. I don't even hear then buzz. They were fine until the queen was lost then I noticed them getting meaner by the day. Im hoping that all the old bees will die off by the end of the month. Larry "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.1391cf7250fc34059896b6@news.pe.net... > This year I have my best bee hive yet and I think it has to do with > having a totally undisturbed area for the queen. I made the top bar hive > too wide to hold langstroth frames so last year when I lowered the frames > from the langstroth hive that Bee Bob gave me I had to hang them between > two top bars which put these frames parallel to the other top bars. This > area has now been sitting undisturbed for about a year and I know the > queen hangs out in this area. It is about 6 frames in the middle of the > hive, hanging at 90 degrees to the top bars. The population is really > increasing fast. Many bees are milling around on the outside walls of the > hive, and last night many of them were hanging in several clumps on the > bottom of the hive. They are all very friendly, but I'm sure if I did > like you did and tried to cart the whole thing to another global > position, that they would become super mean. > > > > In article <39282899_2@news.vic.com>, larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net says... > > I have 2 hives that Im moving about 50 ft.One of those hives was one that > > had lost the queen last month. I found new eggs last weekend and capped > > brood thursday. Well last night after moving the hive 3 ft. (Its on a cart). > > I was walking back to the house when I got zapped on the shin. I figured > > that some bees were on the ground as I didnt get withen 2 ft of the hive. I > > got a flash light and started looking on the ground when I heard bees in > > flight, by the time I ran back to the porch there were about a dozen bees > > flying around the porch light, which was the only sorce of light and cant be > > seen from the hive about 50 ft away. Them suckers are still mean. I hope by > > the end of the month all the old bees wil be gone and the new ones will have > > taken over, if there still mean Ill have to try and requeen again. They > > started out with a mean Italian queen 2 years ago as a 3lb box. I requeend > > with a Buckfast then this year they superceeded her. If I crack the top a > > little bees come boiling out and I have a cloud around my head that follow > > me untill I enter the guarage then they waite by the door for me to come out > > for hours. Out of 4 hives that is the only one. > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 25107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the News Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 2000 16:31:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000522123142.04121.00001339@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25107 Scientists seek demise of bee parasite Monday, May 22, 2000 By Associated Press As bee trucks arrive to pollinate Maine's wild blueberry crops, scientists are looking for new ways to control a tiny parasite that has been killing honeybees for more than a decade. The bloodsucking varroa mite, together with another mite, has nearly wiped out honeybees in the wild and its growing resistance to chemicals has made heavier losses a fact of life in colonies maintained by beekeepers. That means the search is growing more urgent for new ways to control the tricky and unpredictable parasite, which was blamed for killing off about half of Maine's hives last winter. "If you don't have a chemical that will kill them, you're out of business. The mites will take over the hive," said David Hackenberg, a Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, beekeeper who returned last week from delivering bees to Jasper Wyman & Son, one of Maine's largest wild blueberry producers. The varroa mite turned up in Maine in 1987 in bees that were imported from Florida, where the mite made its first appearance that year. The mite, with some help from an even tinier villain known as the tracheal mite, has wiped out an estimated 90 percent of wild honeybees in the United States, said Bob Danka, a research entomologist for the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The varroa mite, about the size of the head of a pin, attaches to a bee larva after growing within a sealed-up cell in a bee colony. Then it spreads to the rest of the colony, transmitting viruses and bacteria as it goes. The tracheal mite sucks the blood of an adult honey bee from within its breathing tubes. Because of the die-off, honeybees have virtually disappeared from playgrounds and backyards across the United States. The survival of commercial honeybee operations has depended largely on the vigilance of the beekeepers and a chemical called fluvalinate, which is marketed under the name Apistan. But beekeepers noticed a growing resistance in the mid-1990s. "I've had calls from a number of people, commercial beekeepers, who lost a thousand hives or more because the treatments gave out," said Troy Fore, executive director of the American Beekeeping Federation in Jesup, Georgia. Now, many beekeepers like Hackenberg have turned to the insecticide Coumaphos, marketed by Bayer Corp. under the name CheckMite. But not all beekeepers are following suit and losses are mounting, said Nick Calderone, an entomology professor at Cornell University. CheckMite is being authorized year by year while the Environmental Protection Agency reviews its safety. Hackenberg, a former president of the American Beekeeping Federation, said more insecticides will be needed eventually. "We need two chemicals or three chemicals, so we can rotate them all," he said. Other solutions are in the works. USDA is selling breeder bees from eastern Russia that are genetically resistant to the varroa mite, to breed with bees in the United States. Scientists also are studying the use of new chemicals such as formic acid, along with better management practices, Calderone said. Some growers have experimented with other species including bumblebees, but honeybees are widely preferred because they can pollinate many different crops, said Hachiro Shimanuki, a research microbiologist at the USDA bee research laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland. Article 25108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!sienna.impulse.net!azure.impulse.net!not-for-mail From: d@c3.cx (Dag Right-square-bracket-gren) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Bee Dream Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:38:16 +0300 Message-ID: References: <39234D9B.C9CC58AB@istar.ca> Organization: Circle Offshore Military Pharmacy X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.154.84.15 X-Trace: azure.impulse.net 959017220 196 dag@207.154.84.15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25108 alt.religion.kibology:238518 In article , kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) says... > I've started collecting pictures of those icons that show up on shopping > carts diagramming every possible way you're not allowed to use the cart > ("Do not allow child to stand on his head while cart collides with beehive") > as research for a story I'm planning to write about the subject of things > you can't do with shopping carts. However, I promise not to mention your > list of things you can't do with InstaBees if you'll read the back of > your imaginary bee packet to us. I just want to know how to use bees safely! Would you be (BEE! HAW HAW!) interested in a bunch of icons on a really huge and old printer that diagram things you should not do on the paper tray, like "Do not try to get closer to god by praying on the paper tray"? I've got a brand new digital camera and I'm eager to do my part for Kibology! > I'm not sure. I usually just get my imaginary bees by flipping the > vacuum cleaner's "SUCK/BLOW" switch to the secret third position which > causes the hose to emit a steadly stream of circus bees that have been > trained to do my bidding. So THAT'S what you used in that dream I had. I'm still going to get you for that one, Kibo! Mark my words! -- Dag Agren <> d@c3.cx <> http://www.abo.fi/~dagren/ <> Legalize oregano "You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME, don't you? You make a REASONABLE inference based on PAST behavior!" - Ted Frank Article 25109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak splits Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:16:56 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39274718.FA737216@kingston.net> References: <39272978.F82B1C56@telusplanet.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25109 Sometimes when I make nucs I put a deep ontop of a large hive seperated by a queen excluder. Put frames of brood up in it. The nurse bees will filter up to care for the brood. Remove and place where you want. Kent Article 25110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:11:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8g8676$h1o$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39246c09_2@news.vic.com> <8g7325$3ui$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-170.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 958897189 17464 62.136.16.170 (21 May 2000 08:19:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2000 08:19:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25110 "Stephen Cox" wrote in message news:8g7325$3ui$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > It may dilute the honey and prevent it keeping well - it is likely to > ferment. Bees cap the honey when the water content drops below a certain > level. ------------------------- Not quite the whole story - if a flow stops suddenly then the bees will have cells which are partly full. They will reduce the water content so that it is 'ripe' and perfectly ready to extract - but they will leave it uncapped, waiting for more to fill up the cells! It is important to distinguish between 'unripe' honey and 'uncapped' honey. The shake test (or a refractometer) will identify the difference. Article 25111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <392977d5.1748895000@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 9 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:09:40 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:11:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25111 I think I decided my finishing colony must have 2 queens. I had open brood both above and below the excluder. Unfortunately, I decided this too late .. my queen cells from last weekend are all destroyed. My second total failure .. and it was looking so good. Try #3 is in the works Dave Article 25112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: "Bo Sisk & Lynn Hebert" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Do I ? Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:29:58 -0500 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8gc936$ltu$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal-tgn-tvn-vty10.as.wcom.net X-Trace: sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com 959031206 22462 206.175.228.10 (22 May 2000 21:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2000 21:33:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25112 I am not a bee keeper but only want to attract bees to my yard for pollination of my vegetable garden. We have only lived here two years and I dont see any bees. I was wondering if there was something that i would try that maybe would attract them into my yard without having to become a beekeeper. In all my life I cant remember ever having No bees but I guess it does happen. Use to you could just plant and along came the bees, not so any more from where I live. Can anyone give me a few tips on how to attract some . I live along the Texas Coast in zone 9.Please help if you can......Thanks .....hebertlynn3@hotmail.com Article 25113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: Re: bumble bee economics Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0d701ae0.5ffda2cf@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com> Lines: 24 Bytes: 557 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.202 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <8fv1b0$93q$1@wanadoo.fr> X-Wren-Trace: eMHkzM3Uk9mSmNrazb7TycHyy8XMxJeZysjajMHZmNOflM+YgdOFmIOSlZY= Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:12:28 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.76 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 959027299 10.0.2.76 (Mon, 22 May 2000 13:28:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:28:19 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25113 Dir jlongy My name is Yosi and i the proffesional manager of POLYAM Pollination Service Yad-Mordechay which produce Bumble bees. In Kibutz Yad Mordechay in ISRAEL. I have this book and i can copy it for you. All you have to do is to pay for the copy (which i have to fiend out how much is it?). So i will fiend out and inform you. Best Regards Yosi Sarid. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 25114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in the News Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:07:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 93 Message-ID: <8gcacp$rfo$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000522123142.04121.00001339@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-121.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 959032537 28152 62.137.57.121 (22 May 2000 21:55:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2000 21:55:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25114 Formic acid is a 'new chemical'? Ha ha ha ho ho ho he he he Ha ha ha! "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000522123142.04121.00001339@ng-ch1.aol.com... > > Scientists seek demise of bee parasite > Monday, May 22, 2000 > By Associated Press > As bee trucks arrive to pollinate Maine's wild blueberry crops, scientists > are looking for new ways to control a tiny parasite that has been killing > honeybees for more than a decade. > The bloodsucking varroa mite, together with another mite, has nearly wiped > out honeybees in the wild and its growing resistance to chemicals has made > heavier losses a fact of life in colonies maintained by beekeepers. > That means the search is growing more urgent for new ways to control the > tricky and unpredictable parasite, which was blamed for killing off about half > of Maine's hives last winter. > "If you don't have a chemical that will kill them, you're out of business. > The mites will take over the hive," said David Hackenberg, a Lewisburg, > Pennsylvania, beekeeper who returned last week from delivering bees to Jasper > Wyman & Son, one of Maine's largest wild blueberry producers. > The varroa mite turned up in Maine in 1987 in bees that were imported from > Florida, where the mite made its first appearance that year. > The mite, with some help from an even tinier villain known as the tracheal > mite, has wiped out an estimated 90 percent of wild honeybees in the United > States, said Bob Danka, a research entomologist for the U.S. Department of > Agriculture in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. > The varroa mite, about the size of the head of a pin, attaches to a bee > larva after growing within a sealed-up cell in a bee colony. Then it spreads to > the rest of the colony, transmitting viruses and bacteria as it goes. The > tracheal mite sucks the blood of an adult honey bee from within its breathing > tubes. > Because of the die-off, honeybees have virtually disappeared from playgrounds > and backyards across the United States. > The survival of commercial honeybee operations has depended largely on the > vigilance of the beekeepers and a chemical called fluvalinate, which is > marketed under the name Apistan. > But beekeepers noticed a growing resistance in the mid-1990s. > "I've had calls from a number of people, commercial beekeepers, who lost a > thousand hives or more because the treatments gave out," said Troy Fore, > executive director of the American Beekeeping Federation in Jesup, Georgia. > Now, many beekeepers like Hackenberg have turned to the insecticide > Coumaphos, marketed by Bayer Corp. under the name CheckMite. But not all > beekeepers are following suit and losses are mounting, said Nick Calderone, an > entomology professor at Cornell University. > CheckMite is being authorized year by year while the Environmental > Protection Agency reviews its safety. > Hackenberg, a former president of the American Beekeeping Federation, said > more insecticides will be needed eventually. "We need two chemicals or three > chemicals, so we can rotate them all," he said. > Other solutions are in the works. USDA is selling breeder bees from eastern > Russia that are genetically resistant to the varroa mite, to breed with bees in > the United States. > Scientists also are studying the use of new chemicals such as formic acid, > along with better management practices, Calderone said. > Some growers have experimented with other species including bumblebees, but > honeybees are widely preferred because they can pollinate many different crops, > said Hachiro Shimanuki, a research microbiologist at the USDA bee research > laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland. > Article 25115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3929DE02.10651C16@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I ? References: <8gc936$ltu$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:24:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 959045049 204.186.179.57 (Mon, 22 May 2000 21:24:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:24:09 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25115 You're not seeing any bees because there are virtually no wild colonies anymore. That's due primarily to the Varroa mite. About the only thing you can do is try to get one of your neighbors to keep bees but be warned: you are going to be curious and you might get hooked! It's an incredibly interesting hobby which you can see by scanning this group. Article 25116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I ? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 2000 01:37:07 GMT References: <8gc936$ltu$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000522213707.15909.00000829@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25116 From: "Bo Sisk & Lynn Hebert" bosisk@compuserve.com >I am not a bee keeper but only want to attract bees to my yard for >pollination of my vegetable garden. We have only lived here two years and I >dont see any bees. If you have flowers and you are not attracting bees, they simply aren't there, and trying to attract them is an exercise in futility. Why not put your energy into attracting a beekeeper? Call your local extension office and see when beekeeper training courses are offered. If there aren't any, jack them up. Get a neighbor kid turned on, if you don't want to do it or can't do it yourself. Check with the Boy Scouts, and with 4H; they have beekeeping programs. Ask your school biology or agriculture teacher. Find out if there is a bee club in the area. Keep pushing on doors, eventually one will open, especially if you MAKE it open... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee removal Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 2000 17:24:35 GMT References: <20619-39268D0C-10@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000521132435.23168.00000501@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25117 Hi Donna, I have been removing bees here in CT for just about 10 years. It has always been my expeience that when you have honey runing down the walls it is because the homeowner has tried to remove the bee by killing them with some kind of insect spray (even nice old ladies do this). I have never found a mite infested colony with that much honey left in it. You can remove the bees but you will need a bee vaccum and about four to six hours. You have to remove all the comb (cut it out with a drywall saw) and vaccum the bees off it as you go. If you decide to do it drop me a line and I can take you step by step on what you will have to do. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association PS I do the bee removals for Yale University Article 25118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:15:44 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> <3913430B.F65D3B49@club-internet.fr> <39282899_2@news.vic.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25118 This is one of the problems with Buckfast, as they're a hybrid, any subsequent superscedure can be totally unpredictable. I have had them so angry that I had to destroy a hive, first one in 50 years. My advise, stay away from the hybrids, the advantages they offer are really superficial, and only last for that one queen. David Eyre The Bee Works www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171 Larry W wrote in message news:39282899_2@news.vic.com... > I have 2 hives that Im moving about 50 ft.One of those hives was one that > had lost the queen last month. I found new eggs last weekend and capped > brood thursday. Well last night after moving the hive 3 ft. (Its on a cart). > I was walking back to the house when I got zapped on the shin. I figured > that some bees were on the ground as I didnt get withen 2 ft of the hive. I > got a flash light and started looking on the ground when I heard bees in > flight, by the time I ran back to the porch there were about a dozen bees > flying around the porch light, which was the only sorce of light and cant be > seen from the hive about 50 ft away. Them suckers are still mean. I hope by > the end of the month all the old bees wil be gone and the new ones will have > taken over, if there still mean Ill have to try and requeen again. They > started out with a mean Italian queen 2 years ago as a 3lb box. I requeend > with a Buckfast then this year they superceeded her. If I crack the top a > little bees come boiling out and I have a cloud around my head that follow > me untill I enter the guarage then they waite by the door for me to come out > for hours. Out of 4 hives that is the only one. > > Larry > > Article 25119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Aggressive Swarm Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:44:48 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 958974255 203.37.7.105 (Mon, 22 May 2000 15:44:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:44:15 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:44:16 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25119 Stretch, I've found that you get a wide variety of temperament in various swarms ( I usually catch about 20+ a season). Whilst I have not made a study of it, I believe that as the qualities that we want in our bees are bred for, then equally they can be bred out. So sometimes the swarm bees are very aggressive to counter this I will requeen that hive with a mated Queen of known provenance, then after a few weeks the aggressive hive becomes manageable Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-2105002102170001@pool-207-205-176-122.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > I hived a small swarm about a month ago, and the bees seem to be very > aggressive... much more so than the bees I've kept previously. > > These bees swarmed out of a feral colony living under the room of > someone's home. > > Is this aggressive nature common in this kind of swarm? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "like-life" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000517215644.13563.00000895@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Thymol Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Trace: +5L70+RpRAoeGrCeGBw1UCoIhYJpSB4gWrZlD8qXwD/mwsk3aShPiqDKOnqmIeRUcPDLufBwo+qd!YD9z8vWry+vNHbNSDuvilZWU16tYs7xVe7UTnxo8atw6siSr6J+9WpnhmjECzfHRBjM+r3XPTm8I!GwWNeGzcmt5AJW7eytv40Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:07:12 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:07:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25120 Would anyone like to explain alittle more about thymol..........how would my hives better from using it? Article 25121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: This year's swarms Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <9ovW4.1059$Gf3.763550@news.pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:56:40 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 959087237 63.197.142.62 (Tue, 23 May 2000 06:07:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:07:17 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25121 So far, the number of swarms, in the greater Sacramento area, (California), seem to be fewer than in years past,,,,,especially last year. The swarms that that I have seen are mostly small. One odd thing is that I've had a lot of the "swarm reporters" tell me that their swarm either landed on a neighbors property then came to them OR amassed on their property,,,,stayed up to a day then left and reformed down the street. Odd behavior,,,at least not what I'm used to. Out of twenty, (or so), swarm calls,,,, I believe three of them have been what I would consider "normal" size, (3lbs or more), and several of the people have reported the "relocating swarms". Article 25122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Bill Collins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms Lines: 3 Organization: Portobello College X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:59:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.212.63 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 959097610 194.125.212.63 (Tue, 23 May 2000 17:00:10 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:00:10 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25122 Any news of swarming activity in Dublin, Ireland Area? Article 25123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spokane Beekeeping Supplies??? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:40:22 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 4 Message-ID: <392AA666.C470446A@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: faraday.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959096870 8907 129.101.81.112 (23 May 2000 15:47:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2000 15:47:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25123 Looking for an beekeeping supply place in the spokane area. Thanks Matt Article 25124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spokane Beekeeping Supplies??? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:10:38 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 24 Message-ID: <392ABB8E.21348E95@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <392AA666.C470446A@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25124 - ask shepp@wsu.edu ?? Matthew Pollard wrote: > Looking for an beekeeping supply place in the spokane area. > Thanks > Matt -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bottom screens Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:49:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8g97k2$iem$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 21 17:49:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25125 We've talked here about bottom screens to help control Varroa, and I made some with a floor under the screen that can be pulled out for inspection - comes out behind the hive. The arrangement does seem to help keep Varroa population down. We slide the bottom board out each week and brush it off. But each time we find a lot of wax moth larvae, and rarely a moth too. Does anyone else have this experience with screen bottoms? I wonder if this is a good thing, ie keeping the moths confined below the hive, or am I just providing them a good place to reproduce? Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:35:24 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25126 In article <20000521132435.23168.00000501@ng-cj1.aol.com>, harrisonrw@aol.com says... > Regards, > Ralph Harrison > Western CT Beekeepers Association > > PS I do the bee removals for Yale University > > Ralph - Do the Yale hymenopterans display any more erudition, would you say, as compared to the ordinary country bee, such as, for example, a bee living in North Carolina with hk1beeman? 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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:48:55 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25127 This year I have my best bee hive yet and I think it has to do with having a totally undisturbed area for the queen. I made the top bar hive too wide to hold langstroth frames so last year when I lowered the frames from the langstroth hive that Bee Bob gave me I had to hang them between two top bars which put these frames parallel to the other top bars. This area has now been sitting undisturbed for about a year and I know the queen hangs out in this area. It is about 6 frames in the middle of the hive, hanging at 90 degrees to the top bars. The population is really increasing fast. Many bees are milling around on the outside walls of the hive, and last night many of them were hanging in several clumps on the bottom of the hive. They are all very friendly, but I'm sure if I did like you did and tried to cart the whole thing to another global position, that they would become super mean. In article <39282899_2@news.vic.com>, larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net says... > I have 2 hives that Im moving about 50 ft.One of those hives was one that > had lost the queen last month. I found new eggs last weekend and capped > brood thursday. Well last night after moving the hive 3 ft. (Its on a cart). > I was walking back to the house when I got zapped on the shin. I figured > that some bees were on the ground as I didnt get withen 2 ft of the hive. I > got a flash light and started looking on the ground when I heard bees in > flight, by the time I ran back to the porch there were about a dozen bees > flying around the porch light, which was the only sorce of light and cant be > seen from the hive about 50 ft away. Them suckers are still mean. I hope by > the end of the month all the old bees wil be gone and the new ones will have > taken over, if there still mean Ill have to try and requeen again. They > started out with a mean Italian queen 2 years ago as a 3lb box. I requeend > with a Buckfast then this year they superceeded her. If I crack the top a > little bees come boiling out and I have a cloud around my head that follow > me untill I enter the guarage then they waite by the door for me to come out > for hours. Out of 4 hives that is the only one. > > Larry > > > Article 25128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392AB606.8CF8979F@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spokane Beekeeping Supplies??? References: <392AA666.C470446A@uidaho.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:50:50 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-m0X+Jyzjsy5NmgiGFgkNNQ18d/YUg3ukJh/yzoR81kXgbETWFszsYSZ9+FQCMI/o1+rOIB1M/CzzTA9!G02hqsOXejeGy+rZPnVozeAy9Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:47:02 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25128 Matthew Pollard wrote: > > Looking for an beekeeping supply place in the spokane area. > Thanks > Matt Yo Matt: Tate's Honey Farm, 8900 E Maringo Dr, Millwood (Spokane valley, N. of the river) (509) 924-6669. Owner is Wes Tate. So far as I know, the last one left in the area. Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 25129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I ? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:42:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8geje5$sjh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8gc936$ltu$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 23 18:42:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.199.183 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25129 I got into beekeeping in exactly this manner- I had fruit trees that used to be alive with bees during bloom time- last few years, no bees- so I decided to furnish my own bees and bought my first hive- got on line and started learning about them- now my addiction to them would rival an addiction to dope- but much less destructive and infinitely satisfying- give it a try- you may become a happy addict like me- I now have 16 hives- learning more every day!!! I harvested nearly 200 pounds of honey last Fall from my first 3 hives- Good luck !!! repbees > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:39:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8geq9j$1fl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 23 20:39:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25130 They're newly queenless, packed with young bees, and ready to raise cells. There will be > no larvae to feed except the ones you give them. Hi everybody, I am going to try this method this coming weekend. I liked the part talking about encouraging the bees to provide the future queen larvaes full and special care (good idea). However, the method generally still not clear to me. Would you or any body elaborate more? Thanx, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rookie questions Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8gb5j2$nhk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39246d6f.8531365@news.cyberport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 22 11:27:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25131 In article <39246d6f.8531365@news.cyberport.com>, digman@cyberport.com wrote: (Some stuff deleted...) >Lifted two middle > frames, and it appears that there are a few cells with what looks like > honey (uncapped) in there. I could'nt tell if they were drawing out > comb, but the foundation was bulged, as if warped. Is new comb the > same color as the plastic foundation? It was almost an optical > illusion effect, in that I couldn't see the depth of the > foundation/comb. My Son's hive is a new one, with the white pierco foundations - we just opened his hive yesterday and I saw the same thing - my first thought was what could have warped the foundation, until I looked closer and realized that it was just new comb - just as white as the foundation. -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!skynet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biocontrol for AHB Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:19:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <8g1ted$5tr$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25132 ------Original Message------ From: kim@airoot.com Sent: May 23, 2000 2:39:28 PM GMT Subject: Catch The Buzz Article The Conference held in Tucson in April had several surprises, and loads of great information. Bee Culture will be publishing the Proceedings from that conference as soon as the information has been formatted and is ready. This is the first of many findings that were discussed at the conference. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This news of African bees is EXCITING! The African(ized) Queen: New Twist Found To Hive Drama Africanized honey bees have an unexpected advantage in the battle to keep beekeepers from replacing highly defensive Africanized queens with gentle, easily managed European ones. Within only one week after their queen dies or is removed by beekeepers, Africanized worker bees--which are female--are capable of activating their ovaries to produce viable female eggs for re-queening the hive. That's according to preliminary findings by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman of the ARS Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, Tucson, Ariz., and Stanley S. Schneider of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. European worker bees' ovaries can't start producing eggs until the queen has been missing for at least three weeks. And, egg-laying worker bees that are queenless typically produce male offspring. In contrast, the Africanized workers' faster, one-week response to queenlessness, and ability to produce a queen from their own female eggs, could explain why many beekeepers' efforts to re-queen an Africanized hive with a docile European queen haven't succeeded. Queens introduced into colonies that have egg-laying workers will be attacked and killed. Scientists already knew that some kinds of African honey bees, such as the Cape bee of South Africa, can lay viable female eggs within one week of becoming queenless, and nurture them to become their queen. But the ARS and University researchers are apparently the first to observe this phenomenon in Africanized worker bees in the northern hemisphere. Migrating from Brazil, Africanized bees are today found in Arizona, California, Texas, New Mexico and Nevada. The scientists are developing new tactics to foil the Africanized workers' ability to make their own Africanized queen. DeGrandi-Hoffman reported the findings at the Second International Conference on Africanized Honey Bees and Bee Mites, held recently in Tucson. ARS, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's chief research wing, was co-sponsor. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture Magazine http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm For an archive Catch the Buzz postings, visit: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/buzz/index.html To unsubscribe to this emailing, simply goto: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/buzz/unsubscribe.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Article 25133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: fedchairman@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.religion.druid,alt.gossip.royalty,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,med.allergy.yeast Subject: Re: FERMENTED BLOOD & Lectins LECTIN Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:24:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 109 Message-ID: <8gf3v4$7tg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fi417$3gp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.219.150.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 23 23:24:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.219.150.3 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDfedchairman Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.gossip.royalty:33150 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25133 Behomet, > >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/5322/aldebaran.html > > > >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/5322/antares.html I believe fermented_blood was referring to the many passages in the Bible about fermented blood, fermented wine, and unfermented blood and wine. There are more than six Hebrew words for "fermented red essence" which are worded into English, German, Italian, and other languages as only "blood" or "wine" or "unfermented wine" or a blur of all the above. But it is quite clear that "fermented blood" was intended by the earliest scribes. Retroviruses in many respects "ferment" blood, as do rabies and bubonic plague nano-bugs. I read over the websites recommended and found them truly enlightening, if not a bit difficult and technical at times to fully understand in a quick reading. Alan G. ps: a very wry and informative article in New York Observer about blood types .... and things called LECTINS, "...every cell, living or formerly alive, has on it's surface "cell type markers" very similar to the A, B, O (and hundreds of other) cell typing markers found on human cells. Whether plant, animal, or human, these cell typing markers all fall into a biochemical category called "lectins". is at http://www.dadamo.com/a-few.htm -------------------- In article , "Behomet" wrote: > What exactly do you mean by fermented blood? Fermented in the traditional > sense means to to have turned sugar into equal parts of alcohol and Carbon > Dioxide. > > Behomet > > fermented_blood@my-deja.com wrote in message > <8fi417$3gp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > > > > >Chris, > > > >Thanks for the helpful hint [suicide] but it won't work. I've tried > >hundreds of times and it is my damned fermented blood that won't let me > >die. > > > >[Sorry i didn't write this in ionic pentameter] > > > >If you don't believe it is possible to ferment blood in a live body, go > >to > > > >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/5322/aldebaran.html > > > >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/5322/antares.html > > > >Rabies works along a similar pathway as my fermented blood sickness, as > >does St. Vitus Dance, anthrax, etc., among other viruses (most of them > >hydrophobic). > > > >I'm hoping that this weekends' big magnetic trap sack [to extinguish > >unruly free ions and gamma rays on a scalar plane] ... arriving from > >the CME of the sun's burping carbono-magnetic plasma, when it collides > >with our North Pole at around midnight Saturday, will give me some > >relief. B-U-R-P. > > > >Any of you others out there --- who are infected --- have the same > >death wish??? To be magnetized back into the fold???? > > > >It's been a long time since this much magNetism even made it possible > >to die for most of us infectees. > > > >F.M. > > > >ps: if you don't know anything about the solar eruption and the > >magnetic fields engulfing the Earth right now this very second, go to > > > >http://members.tripod.com/~Regenbogen2/polar/polwarn.htm > > > >None of us will be able to degauss overselves who have this illness. > > > >That's fine by me. I'm tired of being saturated with nano- fullerenes, > >with no end in sight. I want to be a team player in the rainbow > >coaltion! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8geq9j$1fl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 34 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:13:38 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:05:29 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25134 Mike the Beekeeper and I tried it one time. You can order wax cups or make one out of beeswax about the size of a pencil eraser. I bought royal jelly from a New York beekeeper and we put a glob of royal jelly in the bottom of the wax cup. Actually, we did about 20 of them at one time. We picked out a tiny bee larvae, only a few days old. We held the frame in the sun to spot the little larvae in the bottom of its cell. We used a little tiny shovel tool also bought from Dadant, but I hear a paper clip will work, with one of the tips hammered flat, and carefully picked up the little tiny larvae and then placed it on the glob of royal jelly in the wax cup. This cup we then stuck upside down into the top of a frame and lowered the frame into the hive. The idea is that the extra royal jelly in the cup together with the activity of the nurse bees stimulates the holy parthenogensis process, or whatever. In article <8geq9j$1fl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com says... > They're newly queenless, packed with young bees, and ready to raise cells. > There will be > > > no larvae to feed except the ones you give them. > > Hi everybody, I am going to try this method this coming weekend. I liked the > part talking about encouraging the bees to provide the future queen larvaes > full and special care (good idea). However, the method generally still not > clear to me. Would you or any body elaborate more? > > Thanx, Aziz > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Article 25135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drones popping out Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:10:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8ggdao$3sb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fu8od$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8g1tec$5tr$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.162 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 24 11:10:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.162 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25135 In article <8g1tec$5tr$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > They were hungry. So was I, so I ate a bunch of them. LOL Thank you, Dave and Peter, for the answers. It must be related to survival some way but I don't understand how it could be hunger. The drone cells were capped. Once a cell is capped isn't there supposed to be enough food already in it for the larvae to mature? Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Kellen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tons of beekeeping links Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <6khW4.20435$T41.482811@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:07:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 959029634 209.179.121.137 (Mon, 22 May 2000 14:07:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:07:14 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25136 http://growsearch.com - look in the beekeeping category. You will find a ton of info here. Article 25137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3929A349.21FC7DEA@ptd.net> From: Russell Sears X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need info re:Catalpa trees References: <3928513E.96EEF4A@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:13:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.179.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 959030017 204.186.179.4 (Mon, 22 May 2000 17:13:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:13:37 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25137 I don't know first hand but I've read that Catalpa varies widely in its attractiveness to bees. At any rate, that shouldn't affect their use as a location for a swarm trap. Swarm scouts aren't looking for nectar. Article 25138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do I ? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:05:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8gds6k$atl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8gc936$ltu$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 23 12:05:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; DSCC/DLA) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25138 In article <8gc936$ltu$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, "Bo Sisk & Lynn Hebert" wrote: > I am not a bee keeper but only want to attract bees to my yard for > pollination of my vegetable garden. We have only lived here two years and I > dont see any bees. I was wondering if there was something that i would try > that maybe would attract them into my yard without having to become a > beekeeper. In all my life I cant remember ever having No bees but I guess it > does happen. Use to you could just plant and along came the bees, not so any > more from where I live. Can anyone give me a few tips on how to attract some > . I live along the Texas Coast in zone 9.Please help if you can......Thanks > .....hebertlynn3@hotmail.com > > Contact your local Ag extension office - they should be able to get you in touch with beekeppers - many of us who do not have a lot of land would be quite willing to set up a hive close to you - a hive takes very little space, the bees will mind their own business if left alone, and the hive needs only occasional visits, so it would not be overly intrusive. -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sunday swarm Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:57:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: <27702aa4.6b4d3c53@usw-ex0106-044.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959210563 nnrp-02:7971 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 52 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25139 In article <27702aa4.6b4d3c53@usw-ex0106-044.remarq.com>, enfieldbees writes >I came home this morning about 10 am and there was a swarm in progress >in my back yard hovering about 50 feet above the 4 hives I have. I am >confused though because two of these hives are new splits created from >the other two which were 1 year old. I have no idea which hive produced >the swarm since I arrived after the bees left one of the four (if in >fact they came from one of my hives). Some other things to note: >1. The splits were done two weeks ago. One of the old hives was very >strong with lots of brood. The other was well populated but had much >less brood and what appeared to me to be hatched queen cells along the >bottom of several frames. I think you may be seeing queen cups, swarm cells waiting for an egg to be laid. So they would not have been hatched. >2. I could not locate a queen in either hive when I did the splits but >I believe the 1st was queenright. I'm not sure about the second. It is not necessary to find the queen. Eggs standing up indicate a queen laid that day. Sealed queen cells in one hive only suggest that one swarmed. They can and do swarm without finishing a cell. > 3. The >new hive got new queens and 4 frames from each old hive. The new hives >were put in the old hive locations while the old ones were moved to new >locations 80 feet away. >4. The two new hives each got a second deep super last week, so there >couldn't have been a space problem there. The swarming instinct is to reproduce. Space helps reduce the chance but if they want to they will. > The old ones each had two >deeps and one shallow. >5. The strong old one remained fairly strong and still had alot of bees >going in and out after the swarm but I didn't open any to look for a >queen. >6. The weaker old hive has been very weak in population for the past >two weeks, but the few bees coming and going are bringing in some >pollen. Does this mean it is queenright? Pollen means a queen, yes, but a queen in a cell not hatched is still a queen and they will bring in pollen. > >Questions: > >1. Which hive is the most likely one to have thrown the swarm? Could >the swarm have come from somewhere else? I could not catch it - too >high. >2. Is the older weak hive definitley queenright if I see a few bees >bringing in pollen? >3. Could one of the new hives created from splits have swarmed? I think >this unlikely. You need to have a look. Two weeks between inspections is ample time for a swarm or two. -- James Kilty Article 25140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uniting Colonies ?? Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:25:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8ghru8$77o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 25 00:25:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25140 Howdy folks -- I notice on this forum that the recommendation for uniting colonies is to put the weaker or bad part on top -- over the newspaper --. I have always done it the reverse way - assuming that the queen in the better part would be safer and better protected if above the other half. Have I missed something ? What is the reasoning to place the bad part over the better part so that the occupants of the bad part go down and through the better part to reach the entrance, etc. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!CensurBot.NetScum.Dk!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: MVP-13@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HOW LONG SHOULD I FEED SUGAR WATER TO MY BEES Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <27796-392C742A-56@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp8xA1hmjGu7jvoqd3GqlY9OTR2gCFQC+PLzXnpYhkn2K/MB7jMdwI70jtA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25141 Hi how long should i feed sugar water to my honeybees? I have two nucs i got this spring and they seem to be doing really good. They have all of the ten frame brood chamber built up and also most of there food chamber built up, so when should i stop feeding them sugar water? and also when is a good time to put my super on? after all the food chamber is done? is it a good idea to keep on feeding them sugar water when i add super? any info would be a great help. Thanks, Chuck (MVP-13)... Article 25142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:38:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <8ge1kc$eq4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <392439C9.58FE50E7@kingston.net> <28594-39254F3B-43@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 23 13:38:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.1) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25142 In article <28594-39254F3B-43@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa) wrote: > > --WebTV-Mail-11377-1026 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Thanks so much Kent, for the information. Could you also tell me what > bees consider to be bad weather. I've heard it said that several days of rain or wind that causes the bees to be confined. Although I also choose to be confined on those days and so have no personal experience. > I live in New Orleans, and the weather > is very hot and humid here. June brings daily thundershowers but > temperatures in the mid to upper 90's. I don't think a passing thunderstorm or high temperatures (assuming you have provided adequate ventilation) would be a problem. > > Thanks Again! > > Melissa > > --WebTV-Mail-11377-1026 > Content-Description: signature > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > "http://www.country.com/music/audioclip/martina_03_love.au"> > > > > "http://gifs123.tripod.com/page17/bee.gif"> >
href="http://community.webtv.net/anotherMELISSA/BeeKeepingJournal">BeeKe epingJournal > > > > --WebTV-Mail-11377-1026-- > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee removal Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:56:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8ge66o$ibl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20619-39268D0C-10@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 23 14:56:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25143 In article <20619-39268D0C-10@storefull-218.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) wrote: > I've been beekeeping for about four years and enjoy it immensely. I > have hived my first two swarms this spring. Luckily, both swarms were > very accessible ... Yeah, yeah!! Like I said in another post, some people get all the luck. This spring my daughter and I have collected 4 swarms and 7 colonies. Only two were easy! The one you describe sounds easier than a couple we tackled. Donna continues > ... He said he would do what he > could but he doubted anyone would be interested in trying to remove > them because of the potential problems, difficulty of removal, > disgruntled home owner, saw suits, etc. Nonsense!!! I think beekeepers have a moral obligation to the bees and to society to take on the difficult as well as the easy tasks. Leaving them be is almost always very bad advice, as the lady knows now. She has said she is will to pay for having them removed and make repairs, so I don't see the problem. Just go get 'em. If you don't have a bee vacuum make one. I made one out of an old sweeper vac and some gallon plastic jugs with screen on the bottom. Later modified it to use with a regular vacuum by adding a board with holes in it so we can adjust the suction pressure. With a bee vac the job is immensely easier. Also a stethoscope so you can pinpoint the location of the bees before you start removing ceiling. Then some plastic buckets with screen on top to hold the bees and honeycomb. > I wonder if it is possible to take a small hive to her home and let them rob out the hive in her ceiling.<< I wouldn't try that because you don't know which hive will be the stronger. Of course, if it is possible to seal all entrances except one, you could make a one-way exit and put a hive box near it with a new queen and empty foundation in it - maybe one frame of brood, and Apistan or other treatment. After 5 - 8 weeks the queen inside the ceiling will starve since all of her bees that exit the colony can't get back in. Then you take off the one way exit and let the new hive go back in and clean up. Much slower way but effective. Sincerely, Herb and Cindy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HOW LONG SHOULD I FEED SUGAR WATER TO MY BEES Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:08:21 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <27796-392C742A-56@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25144 There is an FAQ on feeding bees on our web site. It's a complex subject and would require a lengthy answer. To save a deal of typing please visit. www.beeworks.com Regards Dave.... wrote in message news:27796-392C742A-56@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > Hi how long should i feed sugar water to my honeybees? I have two nucs i > got this spring and they seem to be doing really good. They have all of > the ten frame brood chamber built up and also most of there food > chamber built up, so when should i stop feeding them sugar water? and > also when is a good time to put my super on? after all the food chamber > is done? is it a good idea to keep on feeding them sugar water when i > add super? any info would be a great help. Thanks, Chuck (MVP-13)... > Article 25145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:29:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.235.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 959218199 158.252.235.250 (Wed, 24 May 2000 18:29:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:29:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25145 While checking my only hive yesterday, I cut off some comb that was being made where I didn't want it. I picked out a half dozen drone larva and found two mites. Then I picked out about twenty worker larva and found no mites on them. The drone larva were capped but most of the worker larva were not capped. It's to late to treat chemically. Am I still OK? Darrell in Washington State Article 25146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: medical honey Lines: 104 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:01:39 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 959227167 203.37.7.105 (Thu, 25 May 2000 13:59:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:59:27 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:59:27 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25146 I have researched this matter of Botulism in Honey, and whilst it is a correct statement I consider that 'fair play' would require an even sterner warning against feeding Infants and very young children Corn Syrup which evidently has a much higher incidence of Botulism Teri Bachus wrote in message news:sinl3i56o128@corp.supernews.com... > posted for information purposes only from: > > http://www7.mercurycenter.com:80/premium/svlife/docs/honey23.htm > > Published Tuesday, May 23, 2000, in the San Jose > Mercury News > > A medicine called > honey > > BY BOB CONDOR > Chicago Tribune > > A CUP of tea with honey has long been linked > to health benefits, including its ancient status as a > soother of sore > throats and more recent findings that green and black > teas can help > reduce cancer risk. > > Scientists are now beginning to realize there are > strong potential > medicinal properties in the honey, too, especially > outside of the cup or > even the stomach for that matter. > > A growing number of studies on people and animals > shows honey can > help wounds heal faster. The most impressive study was > performed on > burn victims in India. The study compared 52 patients > whose wounds > were dressed with honey-smeared gauze bandages to 52 > patients > treated with the conventional salve of silver > sulfadiazine. The results, > published in the professional journal Burns, showed 87 > percent of the > patients with honey bandages healed within 15 days > while 10 percent > of the silver sulfadiazine group healed in the same > time. The > honey-dressed patients also reported less pain, fluid > leaking and > scarring than the standard group, said the > researchers. > > In 1999, the Australian government agency equivalent > to the U.S. > Food and Drug Administration approved honey as a > medicine. A > commercial product, Medihoney, is now available as a > wound dressing > in pharmacies there. > > Medihoney is made from the honey of bees that tap into > the nectar of > the tea tree (Leptospermum). Biochemists at the > University of Waikato > in New Zealand have found this particular tree has a > nectar with > bacteria-fighting properties. > > To date, the only reported side effects of using honey > as wound > dressing is a slight burning sensation upon > application. Honey is not > recommended to be consumed by anyone with compromised > immune > systems, including infants, because it can sometimes > contain spores of > bacteria that cause botulism. But there are no > associated concerns with > honey as a wound dressing. > > © 2000 Mercury Center. > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!mtu.ru!rosnet!news.rt.ru!news.donbass.net!hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Grigory Psaras" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ðÒÏÄÁÅÔÓÑ ÍÅÄ 2000 Ç. çÁÒÁÎÔÉÑ ÞÉÓÔÏÔÙ. E-mail Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:19:56 +0300 Organization: Azov Information Company Ltd. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8gi2gn$fdi$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: du14.azov.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25147 íÅÄ ÐÏÌÉÆÌÅÒÎÙÊ - ÜÓÐÁÒÃÅÔ + ÒÁÚÎÏÔÒÁ×ØÅ Ë-×Ï 1 Ô. çÁÒÁÎÔÉÑ ÞÉÓÔÏÔÙ. ÷ÁÛÁ ÔÁÒÁ. ÷ÏÚÍÏÖÎÙ ÌÀÂÙÅ ÁÎÁÌÉÚÙ É ÐÒÉÓÕÔÓÔ×ÉÅ ÐÒÅÄÓÔÁ×ÉÔÅÌÑ ÐÒÉ ÏÔËÁÞËÅ. Article 25148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:12:22 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25148 If you have honey supers on, then yes it's too late to add Apistan. You might visit our web site and look for an FAQ 'Essential oils...anti Varroa' it explains the work we've tried in our yards to minimize varroa during the summer months prior to Apistan in the fall Try www.beeworks.com Regards Dave.... Darrell Gehlsen wrote in message news:rm%W4.165$Xj6.3607@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > While checking my only hive yesterday, I cut off some comb that was being > made where I didn't want it. > I picked out a half dozen drone larva and found two mites. Then I picked out > about twenty worker larva and found no mites on them. The drone larva were > capped but most of the worker larva were not capped. > It's to late to treat chemically. Am I still OK? > Darrell in Washington State > > > Article 25149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392C9E7F.7F23FABC@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting Colonies ?? References: <8ghru8$77o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:26:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 959225187 24.24.11.122 (Wed, 24 May 2000 23:26:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:26:27 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25149 One reason for this (perhaps) would be that the "bad" colony is the weaker of the two, so presumably it has fewer foragers flying. If you move it onto the stronger colony, you have fewer bees being "lost" (by drifting back to their old stand) than you would if you did it the other way around. Also, the upper colony is trapped for a while by the newspaper and the lids, usu. with no entrance. If it is the weaker one they probably have more unoccupied space in their hive, so don't require a flow of fresh air like a strong, more congested colony would. On the other hand, _supposedly_ the upper queen of two united colonies is the one more likely to survive. Not sure if there is any truth to this. (?) -joel Pete wrote: > Howdy folks -- > > I notice on this forum that the recommendation for uniting colonies is > to put the weaker or bad part on top -- over the newspaper --. > > I have always done it the reverse way - assuming that the queen in the > better part would be safer and better protected if above the other half. > > Have I missed something ? What is the reasoning to place the bad > part over the better part so that the occupants of the bad part go down > and through the better part to reach the entrance, etc. > > Pete > > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:19:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 79 Message-ID: <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 25 16:19:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25150 In article <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net>, mpalmer@together.net wrote: > I began raising queens last summer. A breeder in Vermont showed me a way to > raise cells with one colony. The colony is out of honey production for only > about 3 weeks. > Pick a strong colony with a prolific queen. This colony should have at > least 10 frames of brood. Dismantle the hive, placing the queen and all the > sealed brood in the bottom chamber. Place an excluder on the hive, and then > the top chamber with the rest of the brood. Put the supers back on the hive. > On the ninth day, check the entire colony for queen cells. Feed! > The following day is grafting day. In the morning, remove the colony > from the stand. Place a new bottom board on the stand, and then a super. On > the super, place the top brood chamber. Place a shaker box (hive body with > excluder nailed on the bottom) on this chamber. Shake 5 frames of bees from > the bottom brood chamber into the shaker box. The bees will go down, but the > queen will not. If the queen winds up in the shaker box, place her back into > the bottom chamber. The bottom chamber gets a super on top and is covered. > The bottom chamber gets a super, is covered, and moved to a different yard. > In the afternoon, The cell starter is ready for the graft. They're newly > queenless, packed with young bees, and ready to raise cells. There will be > no larvae to feed except the ones you give them.Give them the cell bars, and > a frame of pollen. In 5 days, bring back the parent colony. Place it on the > stand, then an excluder, and then the cell builder. You don't need > newspaper. The cells will be ready on the tenth day. Remove the cells, and > the excluder. The colony is back in honey production. > I feel this to be the easiest and most successful cell rearing plan for > the beekeeper with limited equipment, wanting to raise a few or a few > hundred cells. > Good luck Mike > > kamtout@together.net wrote: > > > I'll be trying my grafting hand at raising a few queens this year and > > was wondering what the need for a starter colony and a finisher colony > > was. I don't have that many colonies to tear up and if it's a formality > > as opposed to a requirement, will just one work to rear the queen cells? > > Following the Spivak plan, but it's not clear the reason for two hives. > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Hi, Yes, finally I have done it. I have for my first time started to produce queens. I did not completely follow Mike's method but I get the main points and missed some of them. Since, I did introduce the queen cells to the hive right a way after I took their queen. The full story is mentioned below. This afternoon (Saudi time), I started to make queen cells by using melted wax and pen (it was lengthy process). I made about 30. Then I stuck 18 cells to two (let them be X and Y) ordinary frames (No foundation). I purchased commercial royal jelly. The jelly looked like honey or berry. Anyway, I took the chance and put one drop per each cell. Then, I opened the hive where there were only six frames filled with brood and four under construction. I took one that have the most young tiny larvaes (Let the frame be Z) and grafted 18 of them into X and Y then place it into the hive and took Z together with another frame that has uncapped brood with the queen and put them all in nuclei box then closed the box and put it in my home since the outside temperature reaches up to 45 C (I lost approx. 2 Liter of my body water in terms of sweat). Now, the queenless hive contains six frames four sealed brood and X, Y. Tuesdays, the pollen harvest is going extremely well, I think because the balm tree blooming time. About 15 min. after the queen has been my guest, the colony started to figure-out that their queen is missing. You can imagine what they did. Some of them started to search around the hive and going in and out in disturbed manner. After five days, I will return the queen and check the cells. What do you think friends? Thx, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: medical honey Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:05:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 87 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25151 posted for information purposes only from: http://www7.mercurycenter.com:80/premium/svlife/docs/honey23.htm Published Tuesday, May 23, 2000, in the San Jose Mercury News A medicine called honey BY BOB CONDOR Chicago Tribune A CUP of tea with honey has long been linked to health benefits, including its ancient status as a soother of sore throats and more recent findings that green and black teas can help reduce cancer risk. Scientists are now beginning to realize there are strong potential medicinal properties in the honey, too, especially outside of the cup or even the stomach for that matter. A growing number of studies on people and animals shows honey can help wounds heal faster. The most impressive study was performed on burn victims in India. The study compared 52 patients whose wounds were dressed with honey-smeared gauze bandages to 52 patients treated with the conventional salve of silver sulfadiazine. The results, published in the professional journal Burns, showed 87 percent of the patients with honey bandages healed within 15 days while 10 percent of the silver sulfadiazine group healed in the same time. The honey-dressed patients also reported less pain, fluid leaking and scarring than the standard group, said the researchers. In 1999, the Australian government agency equivalent to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved honey as a medicine. A commercial product, Medihoney, is now available as a wound dressing in pharmacies there. Medihoney is made from the honey of bees that tap into the nectar of the tea tree (Leptospermum). Biochemists at the University of Waikato in New Zealand have found this particular tree has a nectar with bacteria-fighting properties. To date, the only reported side effects of using honey as wound dressing is a slight burning sensation upon application. Honey is not recommended to be consumed by anyone with compromised immune systems, including infants, because it can sometimes contain spores of bacteria that cause botulism. But there are no associated concerns with honey as a wound dressing. © 2000 Mercury Center. Article 25152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kevintm@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bee economics Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:57:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. 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Article 25153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" Subject: Test Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:55:01 -0600 Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <#65OgOpx$GA.326@cpmsnbbsa07> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: dnv-co2b-29.rasserver.net 207.94.119.29 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25153 Test Article 25154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unread messages Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:17:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8gkjah$6t1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <392126FF.BCEAF1CF@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.47 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 26 01:17:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.47 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25154 In article <392126FF.BCEAF1CF@together.net>, mpalmer@together.net wrote: > Why do I have so many unread messages? When I open sci.ag it says I have > 1570 unread messages dating back into February. I read all those when > posted. How can I clear this up. Is it only some setting? Mike, I wrote to Deja's helpdesk two weeks ago and asked the same question. I've read piles of the posts here and also done the 'mark all as read' thing and each time I come back to read there are bunches that I've read that are popping up as new. The helpdesk told me to try clearing my Disk Cache and Memory Cache. If you're using Netscape it's Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Cache then click on the cache clear buttons. Not certain that's the answer. The forums have been offline for a week now in case you missed that. I'm sure that during their upgrade that might account for the lost read status in your case however the day to day read status is still goofy. Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: About Moving Hives Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:06:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8gl0p8$fs7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 26 05:06:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25155 I notice a lot of discussion revolves around the problem of hives needing to be moved a short distance, or swarms absconding. I think that this link to a BEE-L article about 'Handling Swarms That May Have Varroa' might give some new ideas on this question: http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0005B&L=bee-l&P=R3172 The basic principle? Bees normally forget their old hive location if stored for three days in the dark, or even outside in the light during continuously cold or rainy spells when they are unable to fly. I hope some find this useful. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Package installation in the snow, performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Over 1700 served Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a rookie's journal! Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <21273-392DFCA9-99@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgLWIws1AkpVblMdRvbJ6Vg/uS+cCFQCCk6a5LzLymOV/mPef+VsxHpXD6Q== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25156 http://community-2.webtv.net/anotherMELISSA/BeeKeepingJournal/page3.html Article 25157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak splits Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <22374-392E4328-3@storefull-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <39274718.FA737216@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUApgfsOGFJN2zcErOQuoGzHNkihu0CFQCYP3kjtgu+otNCdHYxpxpCfHiuVw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25157 How long do you leave the spit on top of the strong hive and are there two ex. on the hive. Thanks Kent Bud Article 25158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392E6430.995C0E7@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HOW LONG SHOULD I FEED SUGAR WATER TO MY BEES References: <27796-392C742A-56@storefull-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:42:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 959341331 24.24.11.110 (Fri, 26 May 2000 07:42:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:42:11 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25158 Hey Chuck -- Basically, you should keep providing syrup until both chambers' combs are drawn and well occupied. In practice, you should feed until practically all the combs in the 2nd chamber are fully drawn. The bees will usually leave the outermost foundations for last. When those are the only ones left unfinished, shift them to the central positions in the box, and at the same time give the first honey-super. Discontinue feeding at that point. Note: you might want to check & make sure the outermost combs in the _bottom_ chamber are also completely drawn. If they aren't, already, the bees might tend to neglect them, and never completely draw them out. Should you discover that they aren't quite finished, it's a good idea to shift them up into the chamber above, also toward the center, where they will be completed in a short time. MVP-13@webtv.net wrote: > Hi how long should i feed sugar water to my honeybees? I have two nucs i > got this spring and they seem to be doing really good. They have all of > the ten frame brood chamber built up and also most of there food > chamber built up, so when should i stop feeding them sugar water? and > also when is a good time to put my super on? after all the food chamber > is done? is it a good idea to keep on feeding them sugar water when i > add super? any info would be a great help. Thanks, Chuck (MVP-13)... Article 25159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting a hive Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:28:15 +0100 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <392EA61F.763226AC@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959358949 31176 129.101.81.41 (26 May 2000 16:35:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2000 16:35:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25159 What does it take to do this. I just got two nuc's and would like to split these new hives in fall or next spring. Is this reasonable? Thanks Matt Article 25160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Aggressive Swarm Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <5EzX4.171642$l41.840899@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:46:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 959366785 24.65.109.115 (Fri, 26 May 2000 11:46:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:46:25 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25160 I have noticed aggression in most of our swarms, but they usually settle down in about 3 weeks. If they do not we requeen. I have noticed the are very motovated when cleaning out equipment, it often looks like a snowblower at the front of the hive when they start housecleaning old comb, as well they build foundation very quick. Maybe they are more agressive because all their instincts ( cleaning, comb buyilding, and defensiveness) are enhanced temporarly hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Canada "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-2105002102170001@pool-207-205-176-122.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > I hived a small swarm about a month ago, and the bees seem to be very > aggressive... much more so than the bees I've kept previously. > > These bees swarmed out of a feral colony living under the room of > someone's home. > > Is this aggressive nature common in this kind of swarm? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <392EA61F.763226AC@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: splitting a hive Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:26:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 959369191 24.65.109.115 (Fri, 26 May 2000 12:26:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:26:31 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25161 it is reasonable to split your nukes next spring. This fall is pushing them too hard. hugh "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:392EA61F.763226AC@uidaho.edu... > What does it take to do this. I just got two nuc's and would like to > split these new hives in fall or next spring. Is this reasonable? > Thanks > Matt > Article 25162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!63.211.125.72.MISMATCH!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <392ebf83.2094924890@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 9 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:17:25 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:19:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25162 That happened to me the first time as well, they just cleaned the queen cells out. I bought about a dozen books on queen rearing and I took Marla Spivaks class. However the bees apparently don't read the same books. The only thing I can say is I've probably learned more about doing this by failing than by reading. Dave Article 25163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeen a newly hived nuc Message-ID: <392e8343.2079500703@news.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 13 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:18:14 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:20:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25163 I have a new hive made two weeks ago from a nuc. They are terribly agressive, open the lid and a hundred come out after you. I just got a new queen for them. She is a Minnesota hygenic so can't afford to loose her. I usually requeen by taking brood away in a nuc box, after a couple hours but the queen into the nuc and let the baby bees eat her candy and free her. When everything is OK in the nuc, I return the brood to the hive and scrape away any cells that have developed. Anyone have a better suggestion in this case, since the hive is still basically a nuc? Article 25164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39272978.F82B1C56@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: weak splits Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <_zzX4.171640$l41.840918@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:42:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 959366522 24.65.109.115 (Fri, 26 May 2000 11:42:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:42:02 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25164 Make your splits side by side and place the queenless split where the origional hive was and place the queened split beside it. Returning foragers will repopulate you queenles split. Then move it to a new location when the bees have stopped flying ( early morning or late evening or rainy weather) They will split up more evenly because there will be a balance because they will be motovated by the queen pheronome and the queenless splits position. This usually works, hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Canada "buzz" wrote in message news:39272978.F82B1C56@telusplanet.net... > Recently I done up a couple os splits. Alot of the bees drifted back to > the original queen. The splits seemed quite week so I put 2 more > frames of capped brood in from original colony, bees and all. (making > sure the queen still on her throne) I then plugged the entrance with > grass. Is this going to work? How long should I keep the Entrance > plugged ? > > Buzz............ > Article 25165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:58:47 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <392C4287.E8FFC15@club-internet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-58-50.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 959202267 9120 213.44.58.50 (24 May 2000 21:04:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2000 21:04:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25165 Haven't heard of any as yet!
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Peter Article 25166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:10:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8ftumh$qps$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959210559 nnrp-02:7971 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25166 In article , Normand writes >I have been reading that drones drift easily in another hives (up to 5 miles >?) and are accepted by other hives. It has been an explanation for varroa >spread. >Now, if your hive has drones from other hives(queens) doesn't it take care >of inbreading? Queens often go to drone congregation areas for mating. This can be some distance away. She should meet lots of drones if beekeepers are not too far apart or wild colonies still exist around you. Only if they mate in the vicinity of the apiary would it make any difference if there were other drones there. Anyway, they have a bit of a head start on the others. -- James Kilty Article 25167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple queens in swarms Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:28:11 +0100 Message-ID: <2oxcAkA7dFL5EwxG@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959210561 nnrp-02:7971 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25167 In article <391753C9.65DF0D34@bigfoot.com>, William T. Singleton writes >I am just wondering how normal this is, since I didn't have as good an >"eye" for spotting queens before this year. Common. They've made their choice already. The others have had it. > Since I've had several days >of having to handle 3 to 6 swarms per day I've needed to dequeen some of >these swarms before combining them. I have a friend who collects swarms commercially (he charges) and throws them all together. Once he had 12 swarms in a hive and after a lot of noise, they settled down! Remember a swarmy colony will produce batches of queens in 3's and more at a time at intervals of a day or more. This gives them the chance to get out having dealt with the others of that batch. But they don't need to fight if the workers have made their choice. -- James Kilty Article 25168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost a hived swarm Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:47:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959210562 nnrp-02:7971 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25168 In article <3s16is45ormruem2u0i87j0gtr7sie5od3@4ax.com>, Steve Newport writes >Got given a swarm by a local beekeeper. Put it into a prepared hive >and all seemed to go well. > >Came back following evening; all gone. Not a bee in sight. > >Is this just bad luck or could I have easily prevented this from >happening? Best to have a frame of old comb to keep them. I now routinely do all the things that mimic their instinct: throw them on to a sheet to let them climb into the hive and move it 3 miles away for a while till they really know the new site. I have had colonies re-swarm when put back on the original site in spite of them supposed to stay there. I have not tried putting in a comb of sealed or even emerging brood, which has the advantage of supplying very young bees which gets them to build up fast. -- James Kilty Cornwall UK Article 25169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why does smoke make bees go dozy Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:03:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3923EEC5.64F8927D@dtn.ntl.com> <39240FE5.A6E6830C@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959210564 nnrp-02:7971 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25169 In article <39240FE5.A6E6830C@york.ac.uk>, Peter Sanderson writes >AKAIK, its because in forest fires, bees eat the honey so that it is not >wasted if the hive has to move. If they do abscond to save themselves they need to take honey to make the wax for the comb in the new site where they can restart the colony. It's a big d.i.y. operation! -- James Kilty Article 25170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why does smoke make bees go dozy Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:05:59 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3923EEC5.64F8927D@dtn.ntl.com> <39240FE5.A6E6830C@york.ac.uk> <39242110.26E88790@dtn.ntl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959210564 nnrp-02:7971 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25170 In article <39242110.26E88790@dtn.ntl.com>, felix.jckson writes >So is it actualy the smoke that makes that makes them dozy or is it that >fact they eat lots of honey...does the smoke effect them >and when they detect smoke in the air do they all return to the hive to >eat.....shoreley they do not want to be dozy and slow if there is a fire >near by! A swarm isn't dozy. It will move if it needs to. The need to survive means that a beekeeper poking around id a lesser problem. If the smoke is enough to quiet them down but not enough to get them to fly away, then that's all right. -- James Kilty Article 25171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aggressive Swarm Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 2000 01:12:24 GMT References: <5EzX4.171642$l41.840899@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000526211224.26099.00000298@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25171 >I have noticed aggression in most of our swarms, but they usually settle >down in about 3 weeks. If they do not we requeen. Arn't a hive full of old bees kinda grumpy anyway? It seems to me that until they have some newly emerged bees they are a bit grumpy. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Hello and a Question Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:58:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8gndk6$78t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fu7c8$2mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.144 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 27 02:58:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.144 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25172 I suspect since you don't have a lot of equipment around the dumping both on the ground might work. But, you already have one in the box now. I've combined using queen excluder placed on top of the hive then put on an empty box and dump the cardboard box swarm in the top. smoke them good and keep an eye on the excluder because the queen will finally show. The smoking will drive the dumped colony down quickly. Since you have no history on either of the queens, i'd kill the one that gets caught on the excluder. The queens might fight but they also might decide to swarm again right off if you get both in there. Either way you've got a pile of bees for next to nothing so you shouldn't mess it up too bad either way. Feed them for a bit so they'll continue to get comfortable calling the box home. A while ago I hived a swarm 3 times and I eventually lost it. I had put them in foundation only. Had I fed them or locked the queen in with a excluder on the bottom this likely wouldn't have happened. Lastly keep the big one and offer the boxed bees to a beekeeper I'm sure you'll make someone's day if you do. Mike Let us know what happened when you're done. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NOISES BEES MAKE? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <6eHX4.1$lt.285725@news.interact.net.au> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:25:44 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 959397890 203.37.7.111 (Sat, 27 May 2000 13:24:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:24:50 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:24:50 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25173 I am a beekeeper in Southern New South Wales, Australia. I read or heard somewhere about a device called an Apidictor, which analyses the different frequency range of sounds that bees make in the hive and then indicates if the bees are happy chappies or are preparing to swarm. My problem is that I suffer a severe hearing loss, so I cant here these sounds that I know that most of you can, So I'd like to know if anyone is aware of the different sound ranges or frequencies that bees make which indicate the health of the hive, swarm preparation etc. I'd appreciate it very much if you could let me know Thank You -- Barry Metz Article 25174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What color are they Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:05:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8fjclo$crd$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959343201 nnrp-03:13176 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25174 In article , Dusty Bleher writes >Given that the drones are from the same queen (and by that definition, the >same genetic material) that laid the young new queens, why isn't in-breeding a >problem for bees? Think of the generations. The drone brothers have half the genetic material of their mother (mother 1) which is also half from her mother and half from her particular father. The queen sisters (mother 2) with whom they mate have half from mother 1 and half from unknown drone fathers. So if brother and sister mate, the daughters in the next generation have all the drone father's genes (i.e. half from mother 1) in one set and half of mother 2 in the other set (i.e. half each of mother 1 and father 1 in the other set). So the average number of chromosomes which duplicate in both members of the pairs is one in 8. Now inbreeding is a problem if there is disease susceptibility or bad temper or in the sex determining locations. In the last case, the workers destroy them and you get the "pepperpot" pattern. So unless the inbreeding is continued by isolation or drone flooding or artificial insemination it is limited by the way it works. Also, in the normal situation (if anything is normal after varroa please tell me) queens mate with 10-20 or more drones depending on race. This gives added protection and a variety of potentially good traits in the colony. -- James Kilty Article 25175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Hello and a Question Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:09:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8fu7c8$2mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959343203 nnrp-03:13176 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25175 In article <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net>, Russell Sears writes >I've never tried this but I'm told that you can combine two swarms by >dumping them both on the ground in front of the new hive. They'll both >march in and settle the queen issue themselves. Let us know what you do >and what happens. I usually use swarms (not mine) as additions to nucs. You can do what you say for swarms caught from somewhere else. I use my *own* swarms to make comb and then requeen with the daughter if she's any good. -- James Kilty Article 25176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:50:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8eo5ao$1m8$1@ionews.ionet.net> <20000503073423.01765.00000823@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959343199 nnrp-03:13176 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25176 In article , James Kilty writes >My >practice is to let them supersede but go to the apiary on the days I >might expect them to "change their minds". If I remember, I'll post on >one single supersedure cell I left in early May when many others were >making swarm cells. They tore it down and made swarm cells. I collected the biggest swarm I have ever had (small by Italian standards!) and I've hived it with a queen excluder, a super and syrup in the hope they will draw out the super as well. It was on a light branch about 3 feet above the ground so it got dropped into a hive placed underneath it and moved awy that evening. Thank you Universe. I have a weaker colony with one "swarm cell" which I will leave in the belief they will supersede. I'd better get back!!! -- James Kilty Article 25177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad situation in Denmark! Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8fcls5$1cs$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959343202 nnrp-03:13176 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25177 In article <8fcls5$1cs$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, Jorn Johanesson writes >Hello fellow beekeepers! > >Tracheal mites now found in Denmark. Have you found colonies dying out? It is endemic here at a low level with our black bees and we have no serious problems that I know of. Many treatments or controls for varroa are effective against tracheal mites. -- James Kilty Article 25178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.easynews.net!easynews.net!newsfeed1.easynews.net!news.nikoma.de!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!demos!batch0!uunet!ffx.uu.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.kiev.sovam.com!ssftua!capella!not-for-mail From: CIBEvEeF@eFJPIPBD.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian Language For All ! Date: ×ò, 27 àïð 2000 21:35:33 +0300 Organization: StarSoft Ltd. 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Article 25179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:07:07 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 959414764 203.37.7.111 (Sat, 27 May 2000 18:06:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:06:04 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:06:04 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25179 Usually with freshly capped honey the capping is lighter in colour and flatter than with capped brood particularly dronebrood. At least that is my experience in SE Australia STIG HANSSON wrote in message news:wvJX4.1095$b55.3315@nntpserver.swip.net... > Hi Vicky, > don't be afraid to open one cell and have a look!!! > Doris > > Article 25180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!24.92.226.72!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392FDBBF.334F6BF8@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeen a newly hived nuc References: <392e8343.2079500703@news.usenetserver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:24:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 959437474 24.92.236.197 (Sat, 27 May 2000 10:24:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:24:34 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25180 Yep -- To be _really_ safe: -MOVE the nuc to another spot, at least a few feet away, and facing a different direction. -On the original stand, set up another nuc-box, facing in the original direction. -Take one of the combs from the nuc (the one with the least brood) and transfer it, complete with its clinging bees, over to the new box at the original site. Put a couple empty combs in there with it, or foundation, if you have no drawn combs. Close 'em up. -Introduce the new queen, in her cage, in the "original" nuc, now in its new spot. (*Make sure there are no queen cells in there _at all_, or your queen will soon be a-goner!) Give them 4-5 days, and then check to ensure queen is accepted, laying, etc. Once everybody's happy, and there is a good new cycle of brood starting to develop, go to the original nuc, remove its comb of brood, do away with any queen cells on it, and add it to the nuc that has your new queen. You can set the comb at one of the outside walls, with an empty comb between it and the rest of the brood combs. Shake out all the rest of the bees from the original nuc box out in front of the new one. This works well, because the older, more ornery workers drift back to the original site, leaving mostly younger bees in the small colony. They accept the queen, and then after a while you end up re-uniting the rest of the bees back with the colony. At that point, they just blend together without any commotion, or danger to your queen. So there you go, Dave. good luck... Joel Dave Hamilton wrote: > I have a new hive made two weeks ago from a nuc. They are terribly > agressive, open the lid and a hundred come out after you. > > I just got a new queen for them. She is a Minnesota hygenic so can't > afford to loose her. > > I usually requeen by taking brood away in a nuc box, after a couple > hours but the queen into the nuc and let the baby bees eat her candy > and free her. When everything is OK in the nuc, I return the brood to > the hive and scrape away any cells that have developed. > > Anyone have a better suggestion in this case, since the hive is still > basically a nuc? Article 25181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dropped queen Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:40:22 -0400 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8gp16g$buv$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: As7+AWvCG9XZH12uzS7KNylcRM+Xh7qdiLAMxkCFFOI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2000 17:38:24 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25181 Yesterday I made a quick (and as it turned out, rather sloppy) inspection of two hives started from nucs about 6 weeks ago. I basically was just checking to see how they were doing on drawwing out the foundation, and shifted a few undrawn frames toward the middle. The two hives are on the same stand abot 6 feet apart. After I finished with the second hive I was about to leave when I noticed a queen crawling on the hive stand between the two hives. I jumped to the conclusion that she came from the hive I had just finished with, so I placed her at that hive's entrance. She promptly walked in. After giving it some more thought I now think it is more likely that she came from the first hive. Here's my questions: 1) Would she enter the wrong hive? I assume since workers will drift, she would. 2) What should I do if the first hive is indeed now queenless? My plan currently is to do nothing, figuring that they will raise a new queen if needed. I realize this sets them back a few weeks, but I didn't expect to get any honey from that hive this year anyway. 3) What, if any, indication would there be if the hive is queenless that can be observed from outside? 4) If I had left the queen alone would she have crawled back to her own hive? She was only about 3 feet from either hive entrance. 5) How to I get to the BEE-L arcives? I seem to have lost the link. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Keith Copi Article 25182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Remove Queen Cage ? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 2000 17:50:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000527135059.14466.00000428@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25182 Hello, I am a new beekeeper raising bees in an northeast U.S. urban area. When I first installed my bees about a month ago, the queen somehow escaped her cage on installation and joined the rest of the bees on the frame. I nevertheless left her cage in place. Today, on checking the hive, I noticed a lot of burr comb on the frames that the queen cage was in between, so I removed the empty cage and some of the burr comb. Is it OK to remove the queen cage ? My second question, how can I help my bees draw out more comb ? Currently there are still 3 frame or so undrawn. I've moved empty frames towards the center. I've been feeding the queens sugar water continously. The queen is laying but I have not been able to see her. I don't open the hives up more than once a week. I'd love to correspond with other beekeepers out there, especiallly city beekeepers ! Article 25183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net> From: Mark Johnson Reply-To: revmark.johnson@which.net Organization: South Wye Team Ministry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E2589D646F6B3C6AE4280F72" Lines: 43 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:19:17 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.101.146 X-Complaints-To: postmaster@which.net X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 959347054 194.168.101.146 (Fri, 26 May 2000 14:17:34 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:17:34 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25183 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E2589D646F6B3C6AE4280F72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, does anyone have a plan/instructions for making a solar was extractor? I have some old comb that I want to melt down in the next couple of months, when the sun (what sun?) is at it's strongest here in the UK Thanks Mark -- ÿØÿà --------------E2589D646F6B3C6AE4280F72 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="revmark.johnson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mark Johnson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="revmark.johnson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Johnson;Mark tel;fax:01432 352412 tel;work:01432 353275 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:South Wye Team Ministry version:2.1 email;internet:revmark.johnson@which.net title:Team Vicar adr;quoted-printable:;;Team Office=0D=0A89 Ross Road=0D=0A;Hereford;;HR2 6DD;UK note;quoted-printable:SOme ISP's and software may insert a "mail." after the @ sign.=0D=0APlease delete this or your email will be returned fn:Rev Mark Johnson end:vcard --------------E2589D646F6B3C6AE4280F72-- Article 25184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kevintm@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bee economics Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:59:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8gk47q$s09$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8fv1b0$93q$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.157.5.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 25 20:59:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 MSPROXY1, 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.157.5.14 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkevintm Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25184 Try www.bibliofind.com or www.abebooks.com. Kevin In article <8fv1b0$93q$1@wanadoo.fr>, "jflongy" wrote: > hello > im looking for " Bumblebee economics " written in 1979, this book is no > longer available at Amazon. > I'm french and i d like to get it. > > Could you help me ? > > Thanks for you help. > > JF > > -- > ==================== > Jean-François Longy > 06 83 52 55 22 > www.cybervigie.com > 04 78 41 03 33 > Rue C Lacouture > 69500 Bron > ================== > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:39:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959466104 nnrp-07:6848 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25185 In article <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com writes >I checked the hive today just to make sure every think is going right. >However, nothing going fine. I discover that all of cells go dry. There is no >larvae inside I do not know where is gone?!!. Only one have one and is >promising. It depends on several factors. One is the race/strain of bees. Some don't like to make lots of queen cells. Some do. Maybe you have one that doesn't make many. One other factor I forgot recently. Three times I tried with 5 grafts, taken by the cell punch method from old comb and got only one or two queen cells. One was a large colony whose queen I must have accidentally killed. Perfect for queen rearing! I am starting again on Monday with larvae in new comb if they are ready. >Tomorrow if I have the chance, I am going to re-do the grafting but I will not >add 7 with royal jelly. Also, I will take out all brood frames . I read somewhere that royal jelly makes no difference. The presence of worker brood food or royal jelly serves to make grafting easier. I read that the bees clean it out and add their own. I forget the reference. The Dublons' book "Practical Queen Rearing" is a superb summary of several approaches to queen rearing. It is straightforward and has no frills. An earlier message to asiray0a@my-deja.com got a strange answer. Is that your address Aziz or someone else's? -- James Kilty Article 25186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Waites Paul Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tawny Mining Bee Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:30:24 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 34 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <392E7C70.999D0985@york.ac.uk> References: <29s8issn90n9hb0jeooq1kg3qpkeu5547f@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 959347781 25157 144.32.212.17 (26 May 2000 13:29:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2000 13:29:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25186 Hi Steve, No they won't sting and as you say are really charming bees..... A couple of things to watch out for next spring are: Look out for the males, unlike honey bee drones they are much smaller. They hover around bushes and vegetation waiting for a female to pass and ambush her! Start looking out for what looks like wasps hovering aroung the entrances to the mounds. These are closely related bees called nomada bees. They'll lurk around until they are sure the entrance is empty and then nip in and lay their own eggs.... I'm not sure if they are parasites or cookoo bees.... A nice distraction from watching the honeybees. Paul. Steve Newport wrote: > We seem to have a lot (15-20) of these in our back garden. Quite > charming little bees, especially the way they watch from just inside > the hole. > > Do these bees sting? > > Anybody ever kept them in display cases? > > Steven Newport > Sussex > UK Article 25187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mojo" From: "Mojo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Web Site question Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:44:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.138.16 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 959467443 206.172.138.16 (Sat, 27 May 2000 18:44:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:44:03 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25187 Before posting, I read through the messeges here, and I noticed a bit of controversy surounding the posting of bee and honey product web sites. I thought I would ask first if anyone would mind me posting the address of a new web site for a respected Central/Southern Ontario honey supplier. Please respond with your comments, thank you. ---- Kris McNeely Article 25188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:44:56 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392ebf83.2094924890@news.usenetserver.com> <8goulv$6q7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 959466105 nnrp-07:6848 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25188 In article <8goulv$6q7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, asiray0a@my-deja.com writes >I check the hive today too. I found something surprised me. Yes, bees raised >only 1 of 18 cells but I found about 10 queens cells that were built by the >bees and they all contains a real royal jelly. It is vital that there are *no* larvae from which the bees can try to make their *own* queens. They prefer to do this. -- James Kilty Article 25189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honeybound aggressiveness? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 2000 23:00:26 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000527190026.06248.00000529@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25189 stanton_hershman@bigfoot.com wrote: >is their any correlation between aggressiveness and the fact the hive was >almost honey bound You betcha! When they put nectar in cells after the bees hatch out, the queen has nowhere to lay. Pretty soon the balance of bees is tipped to old bees, which are definitely more sassy. As soon as you have young bees again to balance the age spread, the bees settle down. Beekeepers who pull off all supers before the fall flow to treat with apistan often plug up the brood chamber, and go into winter with old, mean bees. They have a poorer survival rate than one that has lots of young bees. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Web Site question Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 2000 23:05:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000527190547.06248.00000531@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25190 From: "Mojo" kmcneely@iname.com >I >thought I would ask first if anyone would mind me posting the address of a >new web site for a respected Central/Southern Ontario honey supplier. >Please respond with your comments, thank you. ....No problem for you to post once. After that, put it in your sig file. If you add something that is of interest to all... you know, educational... mention it. What irritates folks is when someone comes on to advertize. That's not the purpose of the newsgroup. If ads were allowed, pretty soon that's all there would be. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 21 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:57:24 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:59:12 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25191 Again .. not to be giving advice since my experiences are not going all that well. I think the nuc box should not have any brood .. only the queen cups. Both Marla Spivak's method and the "Mike" method have the cells being drawn out by a swarm box full of young bees and no brood. That's what Mike gets by waiting 9 days and then shaking bees from the box with the queen. Another way is used by a PhD student at Nebraska who is researching royal jelly production. He takes hive and moves all the ladies into a single story colony .. he removes all the frames except for two of pollen and open honey. Shakes all the other hives frames onto these two. He now has a box with two frames, a divsion board feeder and a ton of bees. He puts his grafted cells between these two frames. Dave Article 25192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net> Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <9SvX4.9211$58.387186@brie.direct.ca> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:33:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 959351301 204.244.87.58 (Fri, 26 May 2000 07:28:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:28:21 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25192 Try this address, http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm Make sure you can fit a queen excluder in it and don't forget the insulation. This way, it works even in marginal conditions. Hope you'll make nice candles... Normand Article 25193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:14:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 26 15:14:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25193 In article <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com>, hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: > Again .. not to be giving advice since my experiences are not going > all that well. I think the nuc box should not have any brood .. only > the queen cups. > > Both Marla Spivak's method and the "Mike" method have the cells being > drawn out by a swarm box full of young bees and no brood. That's what > Mike gets by waiting 9 days and then shaking bees from the box with > the queen. > > Another way is used by a PhD student at Nebraska who is researching > royal jelly production. He takes hive and moves all the ladies into a > single story colony .. he removes all the frames except for two of > pollen and open honey. Shakes all the other hives frames onto these > two. He now has a box with two frames, a divsion board feeder and a > ton of bees. He puts his grafted cells between these two frames. > > Dave > > I checked the hive today just to make sure every think is going right. However, nothing going fine. I discover that all of cells go dry. There is no larvae inside I do not know where is gone?!!. Only one have one and is promising. Tomorrow if I have the chance, I am going to re-do the grafting but I will not add 7 with royal jelly. Also, I will take out all brood frames . Thanx, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "like-life" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wholesaler's Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wq5/e/j5DfqcdZ8451FHkn2CcImVM2qcMqLekdH+3N+ZuahbqpJ/EPw5hUGYx3oMGfDvekyAsXq!sygyYa4lHZzOpX6qsVGLxuOYwWPYWtc0DrsJldP5E2ebGNd2eAGJiW2vw1r84DXSZCCeLDRjzhyx!22r3LAmsn9IfzHaEP3e6lg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:04:08 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:04:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25194 I was wondering if anyone knew of any wholesale companies i could buy from... have my state tax permit........ need supply's..................???????????? dusty dburrell@281.com Article 25195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3930ABB0.688CB3C3@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepape: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adventures in Swarming! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:30:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.218.213 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 959481011 206.172.218.213 (Sat, 27 May 2000 22:30:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:30:11 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25195 Every now and again, bees do something that just thows you for a spin. This happened to me today, and if you dont believe me, I have 2 witnesses! I was packing up my truck after going through all of my hives. All of a sudden their was a loud hum/buzz in the air. All of a sudden a swarm of bees flew over the top of some trees next to my hives. The air was nothing but bees. I knew it couldnt be any of my hives, as I had just gone through them all. I have a cap on the back of my truck and as I was standing their the cloud of bees encircled me and proceeded to land in the card board box of new frames & foundation I had in the back. They didnt bother with the two drawn boxes next to it. I placed one of the drawn boxes on a bottom board and began to gently sweep some of the bees into it. Slowly, the wayward began to march into the hive. But I had to empty the cardboard box of oll of it's frames and shake them into the hive, then dump the box full of bees into the hive. Took over and hour and a half to get them into it. Ofcourse, the video camera I always have with me 99% of the time was at home. Allen Banks Honey Road Apiaries http://www.honeyroad.com Article 25196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unread messages Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:49:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8grs4d$gtr$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <392126FF.BCEAF1CF@together.net> <8gkjah$6t1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-57.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959542221 17339 62.136.11.57 (28 May 2000 19:30:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 19:30:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25196 In Outlook Express: View Current View Hide Read Messages wrote in message news:8gkjah$6t1$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <392126FF.BCEAF1CF@together.net>, > mpalmer@together.net wrote: > > Why do I have so many unread messages? When I open sci.ag it says I > have > > 1570 unread messages dating back into February. I read all those when > > posted. How can I clear this up. Is it only some setting? > > Mike, > I wrote to Deja's helpdesk two weeks ago and asked the same question. > I've read piles of the posts here and also done the 'mark all as read' > thing and each time I come back to read there are bunches that I've read > that are popping up as new. > The helpdesk told me to try clearing my Disk Cache and Memory Cache. If > you're using Netscape it's Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Cache then click on > the cache clear buttons. > Not certain that's the answer. The forums have been offline for a week > now in case you missed that. I'm sure that during their upgrade that > might account for the lost read status in your case however the day to > day read status is still goofy. > > Mike in VT > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drones popping out Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:08:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8grs51$gtr$5@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8fu8od$4lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8g1tec$5tr$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ggdao$3sb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-57.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959542241 17339 62.136.11.57 (28 May 2000 19:30:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 19:30:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25197 You didn't tell us they were capped! This does seem unusual - I would have expected them to stay in the cells. I note that the temperature was much lower than it would have been in the hive - perhaps it has something to do with temperature. Have to experiment one day when I have more time! wrote in message news:8ggdao$3sb$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8g1tec$5tr$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, > "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > They were hungry. > > So was I, so I ate a bunch of them. LOL > > Thank you, Dave and Peter, for the answers. It must be related to > survival some way but I don't understand how it could be hunger. The > drone cells were capped. Once a cell is capped isn't there supposed to > be enough food already in it for the larvae to mature? > > Sincerely, > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:15:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8grsm4$87b$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-93.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 959542788 8427 62.136.4.93 (28 May 2000 19:39:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 19:39:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25198 Sun??? You are an optimist given the weather that we have had just lately. Plenty of beekeeping books have drawings of solar extractors, but I would suggest that you start with the glass. An old sealed double glazing unit is ideal (often available from double glazing companies) and this will then determine the final size - get one as large as possible. "Mark Johnson" wrote in message news:392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net... > Hi, does anyone have a plan/instructions for making a solar was > extractor? I have some old comb that I want to melt down in the next > couple of months, when the sun (what sun?) is at it's strongest here in > the UK > > Thanks > > Mark > > > -- > ÿØÿà > > Article 25199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9F36800C52810248.A1D70FF5A37EF79E.11C6A8D5D113C55A@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Extractor Questions Lines: 72 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:51:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959547088 12.72.50.205 (Sun, 28 May 2000 20:51:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:51:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25199 I think you are underestimating. 2 - 3 supers/colony sounds small for the southwest. Isn't everything bigger in Texas? I would be looking for a 12-frame radial with a motor. Here is how it will go (this assumes 5 - 6 mediums/colony with 9 frames/super): 1 colony, fun with a 2-frame hand crank, DW will need to give you a massage. 2 colonies, why didn't I get a 4-frame. 3 colonies, get up early and forget a massage. DW will be fast asleep by time you drag in. 4 colonies, extract more often or get a 12-frame radial. >4 colonies, it just gets worse. Plan for the future. On the other hand, a 2-frame has to be the easiest thing to sell and find 2nd hand. As for the kitchen, use the garage if you have one. If not, then make sure the house you move in to after DW kicks you out of hers and takes you to the bank has one. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jim Sharp" wrote in message news:9F36800C52810248.A1D70FF5A37EF79E.11C6A8D5D113C55A@lp.airnews.net... > I'm thinking about buying one of the small extractors on the > market and would appreciate some advice. I'm not sure if I'll > have much or any honey to extract this year. I have 4 colonies, > 2 from packages and 2 established hives. Of the 2 established > hives, one was very weak and the other strong & mean. By my > 'superior' management techniques; trying to balance the > established hives/requeening, the packages my actually be in > better shape! > > To the point, I don't really want to mash combs. I'd prefer to save > combs for use next year. I'd like to grow to about a dozen colonies > with 6-8 for honey & comb honey production and the balance nucs, > messing with queen raising, TBH's, etc. > > I'm looking at the following models: > - $99 plastic 2 frame extractor > - Compact Deluxe 3 frame tangential > - Maxant 2 frame radial > - Several of the 6-9 frame radial hand powered. > > When you're cranking these by hand, how long do you spin them? > How long does it take for extracting with above choices and planned > size, hours - days? The 9 frame hand power jobs, are they hard to > get going to do a good job? > > If I get to 6 good colonies with 2-3 supers each, that's maybe 100 > extracting frames and some for cut comb. I guess doing more frames > at once would speed the process or would it by hand? (My concern > is commandeering the kitchen for an extended period of time!) > > As you can tell I've never tried this, so I would appreciate your > comments and any suggested makes/models. Extractors are pretty > pricey, so I hope to either get one to last a long while or get a real > cheap one with a plan to replace it in a couple years. > > TIA > Jim > TX-USA > > > Article 25200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:24:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8grrp5$30v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.19.153 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 28 19:24:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ICS_SERVER (Novell ICS 1.0.15), 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.19.153 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25200 > An earlier message to asiray0a@my-deja.com got a strange answer. Is that > your address Aziz or someone else's? > -- > James Kilty > Yes this is my e-mail account but actually I DO NOT PERIODICALLY CHECK IT. WHAT WAS THAT STRANGE MASSAGE? THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT, AZIZ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:23:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8grrn3$30k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.19.153 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 28 19:23:25 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ICS_SERVER (Novell ICS 1.0.15), 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.19.153 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25201 > An earlier message to asiray0a@my-deja.com got a strange answer. Is that > your address Aziz or someone else's? > -- > James Kilty > Yes this is my e-mail account but actually I DO NOT PERIODICALLY CHECK IT. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT, AZIZ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Hello and a Question Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:54:19 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8grs4h$gtr$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8fu7c8$2mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-57.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959542225 17339 62.136.11.57 (28 May 2000 19:30:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 19:30:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25202 It works fine. You can also run a swarm in on top of another swarm for up to a week according to the books - but they some times fight if there is no flow. Small swarms (nuisance swarms) can be added to large colonies by putting a queen excluder on top of the supers and then adding an extra empty super. Dump the swarm in. The queen will be found dead on the excluder at the next visit (but that is OK because you do not want queens that produce endless small swarms heading any of your colonies). "James Kilty" wrote in message news:v2p6HeAbKbL5Ewza@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <39249749.9BBB1FB7@ptd.net>, Russell Sears > writes > >I've never tried this but I'm told that you can combine two swarms by > >dumping them both on the ground in front of the new hive. They'll both > >march in and settle the queen issue themselves. Let us know what you do > >and what happens. > I usually use swarms (not mine) as additions to nucs. You can do what > you say for swarms caught from somewhere else. I use my *own* swarms to > make comb and then requeen with the daughter if she's any good. > -- > James Kilty Article 25203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:00:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8grs4m$gtr$3@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8geq9j$1fl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-57.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959542230 17339 62.136.11.57 (28 May 2000 19:30:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 19:30:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25203 "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.1394e673cd2beb919896b9@news.pe.net... We held the frame in > the sun to spot the little larvae in the bottom of its cell. ----------------------- Do beware of exposing young larvae to direct sunlight - it kills them very quickly and any damage to the larvae destined to become you future queens must be avoided at all costs. This is also a point to watch when inspecting colonies; if you take out the first frame and stand it on the ground resting against the hive, make sure that it is in the shade. Article 25204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:03:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8grs4s$gtr$4@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392ebf83.2094924890@news.usenetserver.com> <8goulv$6q7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-57.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959542236 17339 62.136.11.57 (28 May 2000 19:30:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 19:30:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25204 wrote in message news:8goulv$6q7$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I check the hive today too. I found something surprised me. Yes, bees raised > only 1 of 18 cells but I found about 10 queens cells that were built by the > bees ----------------------- This suggests that you may have damaged the larvae that you placed in your queen cups. Article 25205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393189EA.4EA226B7@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Housing nucs. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:05:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 959547925 24.112.111.157 (Sun, 28 May 2000 14:05:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:05:25 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25205 I am getting my first bees this Wednesday - 3 four frame nucs. My question is on what to house them in. I have some brand new hive bodies with fresh wax foundation. I also have just recently purchased a retiring beekeepers complete hives (inspected). Should I give them foundation to start, or drawn brood comb? What would be the advantages/disadvantages of both? Thanks, Glen in Canada. Article 25206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Questions Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:03:25 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8gs1g1$qhd4@news.vtx.ch> References: <9F36800C52810248.A1D70FF5A37EF79E.11C6A8D5D113C55A@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-6-p56.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25206 I have four hives producing about 100kg of honey. I wouldn't think of trying with a smaller extractor than that which I have which is a six frame radial hand powered. It works fine but takes me a couple fo afternoons to get thru the job. Jim Sharp a écrit dans le message : 9F36800C52810248.A1D70FF5A37EF79E.11C6A8D5D113C55A@lp.airnews.net... > I'm thinking about buying one of the small extractors on the > market and would appreciate some advice. I'm not sure if I'll > have much or any honey to extract this year. I have 4 colonies, > 2 from packages and 2 established hives. Of the 2 established > hives, one was very weak and the other strong & mean. By my > 'superior' management techniques; trying to balance the > established hives/requeening, the packages my actually be in > better shape! > > To the point, I don't really want to mash combs. I'd prefer to save > combs for use next year. I'd like to grow to about a dozen colonies > with 6-8 for honey & comb honey production and the balance nucs, > messing with queen raising, TBH's, etc. > > I'm looking at the following models: > - $99 plastic 2 frame extractor > - Compact Deluxe 3 frame tangential > - Maxant 2 frame radial > - Several of the 6-9 frame radial hand powered. > > When you're cranking these by hand, how long do you spin them? > How long does it take for extracting with above choices and planned > size, hours - days? The 9 frame hand power jobs, are they hard to > get going to do a good job? > > If I get to 6 good colonies with 2-3 supers each, that's maybe 100 > extracting frames and some for cut comb. I guess doing more frames > at once would speed the process or would it by hand? (My concern > is commandeering the kitchen for an extended period of time!) > > As you can tell I've never tried this, so I would appreciate your > comments and any suggested makes/models. Extractors are pretty > pricey, so I hope to either get one to last a long while or get a real > cheap one with a plan to replace it in a couple years. > > TIA > Jim > TX-USA > > > Article 25207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!bignews.mediaways.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aggressive Swarm Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:08:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8gqj5a$286$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <5EzX4.171642$l41.840899@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> <20000526211224.26099.00000298@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.vanadium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 959500266 2310 62.136.22.19 (28 May 2000 07:51:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2000 07:51:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25207 Bees are often aggressive when they do not have brood in all stages. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000526211224.26099.00000298@ng-cu1.aol.com... > >I have noticed aggression in most of our swarms, but they usually settle > >down in about 3 weeks. If they do not we requeen. > > Arn't a hive full of old bees kinda grumpy anyway? It seems to me that until > they have some newly emerged bees they are a bit grumpy. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: anotherMELISSA@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: corrected rookie's journal!! 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BeeKeeping Journal --WebTV-Mail-9356-4072-- Article 25209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: SV: Capped brood or capped honey Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.172.59 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 959407196 212.151.172.59 (Sat, 27 May 2000 07:59:56 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:59:56 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-172-59.swipnet.se Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:00:14 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25209 Hi Vicky, don't be afraid to open one cell and have a look!!! Doris Article 25210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: SV: mites Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.172.59 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 959407642 212.151.172.59 (Sat, 27 May 2000 08:07:22 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:07:22 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-172-59.swipnet.se Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:07:57 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25210 ...or put in an empty frame and let the bees build drone cells there - cut it out when capped. Easy! Doris Article 25211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: medical propolis Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:59:59 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 55 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25211 posted for information purposes only from: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000525/hl/ulcers_1.html Thursday May 25 3:21 PM ET Beehive Material Fights Ulcer Bacteria SAN DIEGO (Reuters Health) - Propolis, a material used by bees in the construction and maintenance of their hives, has been a folk remedy used for centuries in many cultures to fight infections, and is increasingly used as a dietary supplement. In a new study, researchers examined its bacteria-fighting properties, specifically its activity against the bacteria that causes stomach ulcers. Reporting at the Digestive Disease Week meetings here on Tuesday, Dr. Darren Morton and colleagues at Rottterham General Hospital, in Rotterham, UK, described their laboratory investigation of the effectiveness of propolis in stopping the growth of Helicobacter pylori (H pylori). H. pylori has been identified by scientists as an underlying factor in stomach and duodenal ulcers. The researchers prepared three test solutions of propolis of various strengths and extracted 20 strains of H. pylori from patients with duodenal ulcers. Each propolis dilution was combined with each strain of H. pylori. After 96 hours of incubation, all cultures were evaluated for their effectiveness in stopping the growth of the bacteria. Many of the test solutions demonstrated inhibition of bacterial growth, showing that some concentrations of propolis did have an antibacterial effect, the investigators found. In contrast, the carrier solution, which contained no propolis, showed no effect. ``Our group is currently conducting a small pilot study to determine whether propolis works as well in humans as it did in the laboratory,'' Morton told Reuters Health. Copyright © 2000 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved Article 25212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NOISES BEES MAKE? Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:15:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <6eHX4.1$lt.285725@news.interact.net.au> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25212 see allen dick's website for online search of the bee-list archives...there was a recent thread on the apidictor (and its low-tech alternative, the stethoscope) and much more beekeeping info at: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 25213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeybound aggressiveness? Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:28:07 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25213 stanton_hershman@bigfoot.com wrote: is their any correlation between aggressiveness and the fact the hive was almost honey bound (got away from me)...i had mentioned that my buckfast appeared to become slightly aggressive when i pulled honey...last weekend i stripped them hard and they are back to their same old docile self... interesting correlation...never seen it referenced, but quite possible since it could be construed as a colony stress factor during a honey flow, i.e. no replacement of workers during time of attrition... Article 25214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.niehs.nih.gov!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:55:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8goulv$6q7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8gjjpk$f2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392e812a.2078963734@news.usenetserver.com> <8gm4bg$99d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <392ebf83.2094924890@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.19.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 27 16:55:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ICS_SERVER (Novell ICS 1.0.15), 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.19.156 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25214 I check the hive today too. I found something surprised me. Yes, bees raised only 1 of 18 cells but I found about 10 queens cells that were built by the bees and they all contains a real royal jelly. I returned the queen and closed the hive. Do you think that these cells are going to produce good queens eventhough I did not select them by my self. Do bees select young larvae?. How do I evaluate the queens that will be reared by bees since I am intend to split this hive to three each with three frames I am not concern about honey right now? Thx, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: aggression & high tension Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <9mTX4.1326$b55.4016@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.183.113 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 959447557 212.151.183.113 (Sat, 27 May 2000 19:12:37 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:12:37 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-183-113.swipnet.se Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:11:22 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25215 Hi everybody! Remember my question on high tension near bee hives? I moved my bees a couple of weeks ago and they got much more aggressive now. There's also one hive with a "new" quees from last year, that prepares for swarming. Can't find any other reason for it. Any comments? Doris Article 25216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Vicky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capped brood or capped honey Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:02:21 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8gsqbb$2l1q$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8fapsf$2i3b$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 959573163 87098 204.216.255.92 (29 May 2000 04:06:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25216 Thanks. Actually I got that advice from a person who sells queens after I saw supercedure cells. I saw some brood but not much. After the queen cells were vacated I checked two weeks later, yesterday and found uncapped brood. So, finally I think we are going in the right direction. Vicky "STIG HANSSON" wrote in message news:wvJX4.1095$b55.3315@nntpserver.swip.net... > Hi Vicky, > don't be afraid to open one cell and have a look!!! > Doris > > Article 25217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Success With Russian Queens? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:19:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.67 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 959573588 216.80.176.67 (Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:08 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25217 I am trying my luck with Russian Queens for the first time this year. So far, as far as productivity and activity, I can't tell any difference. Since the mites in my area have become somewhat resistant to Apistan strips, there are many dead pupae and crawling deformed bees in front of the non-resistant hives. The Russian hives have less dead pupae and deformed worker bees so far in front of the hives than the others. Has anyone else had similar results? Does anyone know what other characteristics I can expect from Russian bees besides some mite resistance? Thanks! -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Article 25218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <393189EA.4EA226B7@home.com> Subject: Re: Housing nucs. Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <4qmY4.12930$NE3.861582@nntp1.onemain.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:39:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.67 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 959574784 216.80.176.67 (Mon, 29 May 2000 00:33:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:33:04 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25218 From My Experience, the hives will get a quicker start from drawn brood comb than foundation. The queen can immediately begin laying in as much comb as the bees will cover. In Northern areas with short summers, this may allow bees to make a good crop the first year. The major drawback is the possibility of transmitted disease that may not be readily visible upon inspection. Old comb may also introduce waxmoths that may damage the combs before the population of bees is strong enough to immediately repel them. Old comb often has an unaceptable amount of drone cells. Damaged areas of old comb are often rebuilt in drone brood. Foundation will yeild cleaner more uniform comb, is not as attractive to wax moths or robber bees, does not spread disease, and initially yeilds bigger workers and fewer drones. The major drawbacks of foundation are the amount of time, food and effort on the part of bees and beekeeper to make functioning combs. If I remember the analogy correctly, it takes 3 pounds of honey to make 1 pound of comb. I hope this has helped. -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> wrote in message news:393189EA.4EA226B7@home.com... > I am getting my first bees this Wednesday - 3 four frame nucs. My > question is on what to house them in. I have some brand new hive bodies > with fresh wax foundation. I also have just recently purchased a > retiring beekeepers complete hives (inspected). Should I give them > foundation to start, or drawn brood comb? What would be the > advantages/disadvantages of both? Thanks, Glen in Canada. Article 25219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Questions Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:03:10 -0500 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 41 Message-ID: <9F36800C52810248.A1D70FF5A37EF79E.11C6A8D5D113C55A@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <8gr5n0$qa3@library1.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: 204.181.96.50 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun May 28 08:07:44 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bk"^4F\L+lE%8L (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25219 I'm thinking about buying one of the small extractors on the market and would appreciate some advice. I'm not sure if I'll have much or any honey to extract this year. I have 4 colonies, 2 from packages and 2 established hives. Of the 2 established hives, one was very weak and the other strong & mean. By my 'superior' management techniques; trying to balance the established hives/requeening, the packages my actually be in better shape! To the point, I don't really want to mash combs. I'd prefer to save combs for use next year. I'd like to grow to about a dozen colonies with 6-8 for honey & comb honey production and the balance nucs, messing with queen raising, TBH's, etc. I'm looking at the following models: - $99 plastic 2 frame extractor - Compact Deluxe 3 frame tangential - Maxant 2 frame radial - Several of the 6-9 frame radial hand powered. When you're cranking these by hand, how long do you spin them? How long does it take for extracting with above choices and planned size, hours - days? The 9 frame hand power jobs, are they hard to get going to do a good job? If I get to 6 good colonies with 2-3 supers each, that's maybe 100 extracting frames and some for cut comb. I guess doing more frames at once would speed the process or would it by hand? (My concern is commandeering the kitchen for an extended period of time!) As you can tell I've never tried this, so I would appreciate your comments and any suggested makes/models. Extractors are pretty pricey, so I hope to either get one to last a long while or get a real cheap one with a plan to replace it in a couple years. TIA Jim TX-USA Article 25220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.16.134!attmtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Housing nucs. Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:39:11 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 75 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust155.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8gtut3$a5i$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <393189EA.4EA226B7@home.com> <4qmY4.12930$NE3.861582@nntp1.onemain.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust155.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25220 Until this year, I would have agreed entirely with Ed. This year we have been running experiments using various kinds of plastic comb foundation against dark brood combs. The results are bringing some of my cherished beliefs into question. According to the scientist doing the measurements, he can find no *statistical* difference in the amount of brood, hive mortality, etc. in any of the different set-ups we tried. (See the diary for pictures and details). The foundation hives look smaller, but when measured for adult bees and brood are the same as those on old brood comb. We have up to 20% chalkbrood in the old comb hives and almost none on the foundation. This is only one test, but others in Europe have had generally congruent results. I don't have data for feed consumption, but suspect it is higher in the foundation colonies. Until they are onto a flow, and out of the brood chambers, bees on foundation must be fed constantly for best results. It's not a bad idea for bees on older comb too, for that matter. We used to be a large producer of Ross Rounds ( http://www.RossRounds.com/ ) before we went into pollination. During the twenty or so years we ran Rounds, we generally felt we got about as much honey on the rounds as we got on drawn comb, even though the bees had to build everything except their brood combs from scratch. FWIW, I've heard varying estimates of how much honey it takes to build comb, and thought that 7lbs honey per lb wax was the consensus, but I think it varies a lot, depending on the flow. Under ideal circumstances, I doubt that wax building slows them down much or has much cost to the beekeeper. Under other more trying conditions, particularly when the flows are poor, wax making can cost the colony -- and the beekeeper -- a lot. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1700 served... > From My Experience, the hives will get a quicker start from drawn brood comb > than foundation. The queen can immediately begin laying in as much comb as > the bees will cover. In Northern areas with short summers, this may allow > bees to make a good crop the first year. The major drawback is the > possibility of transmitted disease that may not be readily visible upon > inspection. Old comb may also introduce waxmoths that may damage the combs > before the population of bees is strong enough to immediately repel them. > Old comb often has an unacceptable amount of drone cells. Damaged areas of > old comb are often rebuilt in drone brood. > > Foundation will yield cleaner more uniform comb, is not as attractive to wax > moths or robber bees, does not spread disease, and initially yields bigger > workers and fewer drones. The major drawbacks of foundation are the amount > of time, food and effort on the part of bees and beekeeper to make > functioning combs. If I remember the analogy correctly, it takes 3 pounds > of honey to make 1 pound of comb. I hope this has helped. > -- > Ed > > I am getting my first bees this Wednesday - 3 four frame nucs. My > > question is on what to house them in. I have some brand new hive bodies > > with fresh wax foundation. I also have just recently purchased a > > retiring beekeepers complete hives (inspected). Should I give them > > foundation to start, or drawn brood comb? What would be the > > advantages/disadvantages of both? Thanks, Glen in Canada. Article 25221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maxant Extractor Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 2000 14:54:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000529105453.24634.00000629@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25221 I am currently looking at the Maxant 1400 10/20 frame extractor the catalog I am looking in prices it at 975$ US Anybody seen a better bargain out there or know of comparable extractors? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Questions Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:30:01 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <39314989.6C42458C@kingston.net> References: <9F36800C52810248.A1D70FF5A37EF79E.11C6A8D5D113C55A@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: beemann@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25222 Hi Jim, I do 5 colonies with a 6 frame powered radial extracter. I found it took about 4 hrs to extract. But if you include set up and clean up it was more like 6 hours. This is working by myself. With a hand crank you would need someone else to keep about the same time. And you will get tired. While the extractor is running I start uncapping the next batch. I wouldn't by an extractor on the premise that you will get a better one. If you want to grow to the size you mentioned I would get a powered extractor. Good extractors will last along time. The other lads on the group had purchased a 4 frame hand crank I believe and they seemed to like it. Hopefully they will chip in. If you stay with the 4 colonies, well a 4 frame will probably due. But you mentioned about doing this in the kitchen?? I wouldn't want to move my 6 frame around to much. It's a trade off between cost, time and effort. How much of each will you want to deal with now and in the future. Good luck. Oh yea. the first time I extracted I had a 4 frame hand crank. A lot of friends came over to watch and help. They didn't comeback the second :-) Kent Stienburg Article 25223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Web Site question Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:06:43 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 50 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust40.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8grc5m$n9o$1@news.smartworld.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cust40.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25223 > Before posting, I read through the messages here, and I noticed a bit of > controversy surrounding the posting of bee and honey product web sites. I > thought I would ask first if anyone would mind me posting the address of a > new web site for a respected Central/Southern Ontario honey supplier. As Adam mentioned, USENET is generally wide open, although there are some moderated USENET groups. This is not one, and the only controls are good taste of the participants. Again, as Adam mentioned, the members here have been most polite and considerate, even in working out the boundaries of good taste for the group. As I understand it, anyone is sure welcome to post any information that is on topic for the group, likely to be of interest to members, and that is not of a crassly commercial, competitive or self-serving nature. Most of us are interested to hear of any new suppliers that might be around and personal (preferably favourable) experience with suppliers (not libellous claims). What many do not like is blaring emotive ads promoting the latest marketing trick for some enterprise that has already been announced recently on a group. There are USENET FAQs that have been around as long as USENET and lay out the rules as some people see them. Generally they are wise and give good guidance. Http://www.faqs.org/ is a good place to find FAQs. Regardless of what you do or write, someone sometime will take exception to it, sometimes politely, and other times rudely and abruptly. That just goes with the territory. There are always going to be differences of opinion and values. As we gain experience with this amazing communication medium, we soon discover that each member's own truths are very different and that we must allow a lot of latitude and be patient and tolerant if we expect to learn. At this point, I might as well say right here -- seeing as it is on topic for this reply -- that I buy most of my supplies from the Alberta Honey Producers Co-operative in Spruce Grove Alberta, and that they have a wide selection, very competitive prices, excellent service, and reasonable shipping by mail or truck to most of Canada. Their number is 780-962-5667. Full info and contact links can be found at http://www.beemaid.com/ . They also have a Manitoba branch at Winnipeg. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1700 served... Article 25224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!24.92.226.137!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39316D0A.B5BD431@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adventures in Swarming! References: <3930ABB0.688CB3C3@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:56:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 959540201 24.24.11.78 (Sun, 28 May 2000 14:56:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:56:41 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25224 Ha! Full of surprises, eh? Good one, Allen! Reminds me... How about this: Several summers ago I arrived at a yard to find a good-sized swarm in a small maple, about 8 ft. up. No problem, right? I set up a hive with nice dark empty combs, on a ladder just below them, and gave the branch a yank. They dumped down all over the hive, and a few found the entrance and started Nasanov'ing. I figured, OK, they'll start running in. I waited. And waited. Duh. The ones that went in evidently weren't too impressed, and started milling around, coming out the entrance again. What the...? Well I tried smoking/brushing/scooping, re-shaking the branch, etc. etc., to no avail. Finally, went to the truck and found a cardboard box, but looked inside and realized I had used it to dump "used" cat litter just a few days before. Ugh -- it not only stank, it was slightly soggy, to boot. Oh well. All I had. A bit peeved, I cut an entrance hole in the box and somehow set it up on the top of the hive, which was on the ladder. Man, they started running in! I couldn't believe it. It was a mad rush! Before long, they were all right at home in there. Took the box down, set it on a lid on the ground, and came back next day to hive them. They were already foraging contentedly at that point. Moved the box, set the hive in its place, and hived them without a hitch that time. Go figure. -joel honey.road@sympatico.ca wrote: > Every now and again, bees do something that just thows you for a spin. > This happened to me today, and if you dont believe me, I have 2 > witnesses! > > I was packing up my truck after going through all of my hives. All of a > sudden their was a loud hum/buzz in the air. All of a sudden a swarm of > bees flew over the top of some trees next to my hives. The air was > nothing but bees. I knew it couldnt be any of my hives, as I had just > gone through them all. I have a cap on the back of my truck and as I > was standing their the cloud of bees encircled me and proceeded to land > in the card board box of new frames & foundation I had in the back. > They didnt bother with the two drawn boxes next to it. I placed one of > the drawn boxes on a bottom board and began to gently sweep some of the > bees into it. Slowly, the wayward began to march into the hive. But I > had to empty the cardboard box of oll of it's frames and shake them into > the hive, then dump the box full of bees into the hive. Took over and > hour and a half to get them into it. Ofcourse, the video camera I > always have with me 99% of the time was at home. > > Allen Banks > Honey Road Apiaries > http://www.honeyroad.com Article 25225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mojo" From: "Mojo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cloverdale Honey Products Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 16:54:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.233.182 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 959532893 206.172.233.182 (Sun, 28 May 2000 12:54:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:54:53 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25225 Located in Havelock Ontario, Cloverdale Honey Products is a producer and seller of natural Ontario honey and bee products (including bulk honey), serving central and southern Ontario. Having just gone online, We would like everyone to have a look at our new website. http://www.mojosite.com/cloverdale Thanks for visiting. Article 25226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: big yellow looking bee Message-ID: <3933015b.7910606@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 5 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:51:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 959644306 216.80.168.196 (Mon, 29 May 2000 19:51:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:51:46 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25226 I have noticied some very large yellow colored bees. They are about 1 - 2 inches long. I have heard that they will get in a hive and kill honey bees. Does anyone have an idea as to the name of this bee and if it is a threat to honey bees. GD Article 25227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3933269F.2CBB6004@home.com> From: RICHARD MCCLELLAN Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:26:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.176.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 959653562 24.13.176.176 (Mon, 29 May 2000 19:26:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:26:02 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25227 Pardon me for questions that have undoubtably been asked and anwwered numerous times. I am a hobby beekeeper (Northern Ca) that has been out of the game for a few years. Sunday, I was working outside when I saw z a swarm of bees coming up the hill. They lighted in a fruit tree. Small swarm--maybe a pound or pound and a half of bees. I was able (you don't want to see my garage) to locate my old beekeeping gear, and a hive. Forthwith, I got them in the hive with an entrance feeder. All seems to be well. Now, my questions. I quit beekeeping about the time that the tracheal mites showed up in my area. I am sure my last hive or two went to them based on a lack of treatment. What do you do with a swarm like this. Apistan? Are there any other medications needed? When does the Apistan go on? I remember something about 30 days, and before the honey flow? I am kind of excited. I had actually subscribed to a beekeeping magazine a few weeks ago. Kind of had the "urge". Now I have a hive. Thanks in advance. Rich McClellan Lichau@home.com Article 25228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <393189EA.4EA226B7@home.com> <4qmY4.12930$NE3.861582@nntp1.onemain.com> <8gtut3$a5i$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: Housing nucs. Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <%cGY4.21114$RO1.987710@nntp3.onemain.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:10:50 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.129.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 959655867 216.80.129.138 (Mon, 29 May 2000 23:04:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:04:27 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25228 Hi Allen, Your points are very well taken. After thinking about it, I think 7 to 1 is the correct ratio for honey to beeswax. I also took the liberty of visiting your webpages and loved them.....they are wonderful! By the way, have you used any Russian Queens? -- Ed "Barkin' like tha big dawgs an stayin' on tha porch!" http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Allen Dick wrote in message news:8gtut3$a5i$1@news.smartworld.net... > Until this year, I would have agreed entirely with Ed. This year we have > been running experiments using various kinds of plastic comb foundation > against dark brood combs. The results are bringing some of my cherished > beliefs into question. > Article 25229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Garrick Deutschmann" From: "Garrick Deutschmann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <393264c1.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <39326A36.4A93594A@iet.hist.no> Subject: Re: Plans for an extractor? Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:25:59 +0200 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: bfn-dial-196-7-94-100.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <39335ecb.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 30 May 2000 08:25:15 +0200, bfn-dial-196-7-94-100.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!bfn-dial-196-7-94-100.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25229 Hey Anthony Thank you very much for your assistance. I have the plans for my extractor and now for the materials. I am going to use stainless steel as the galvanised iron just gets tacky after a while. Wish me luck. Thank you again. Best wishes Garrick Anthony N Morgan wrote in message news:39326A36.4A93594A@iet.hist.no... > Garrick Deutschmann wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I can find plans for an extracor? > > Try http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm > There are plans for a 4 frame and a 20 frame extractor. > How effective the equipment is and how relevant to your > situation/availability of materials etc. I have no idea. The plans > should suggest constructional ideas at the very least. > > > -- > Anthony N Morgan, > Førsteammanuensis > Institutt for Elektroteknikk > Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag > N-7004 Trondheim, Norway > anthony@iet.hist.no > Tlf. 73 55 96 04 > Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 25230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Housing nucs. Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:31:25 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 20 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust196.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h0bql$qg1$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <393189EA.4EA226B7@home.com> <4qmY4.12930$NE3.861582@nntp1.onemain.com> <8gtut3$a5i$1@news.smartworld.net> <%cGY4.21114$RO1.987710@nntp3.onemain.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust196.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25230 >I also took the liberty of visiting > your webpages and loved them.....they are wonderful! Thanks. I'm enjoying doing them, even if I do forget once in a while. > By the way, have you used any Russian Queens? Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately from the reports I hear, we cannot get them up here in Canada. The Canada/US border is closed to import of US bees due to fluvalinate resistant varroa, AHB, and the small hive beetle. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1850 served... Article 25231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: We've got brood! - Thank you Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:46:09 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8gt0dv$2pqn$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 959579391 91991 204.216.255.92 (29 May 2000 05:49:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25231 Well, after 5 or 6 weeks of wondering I checked my hive yesterday to find new brood. I previously saw very little brood in my first hive that was started from packaged bees. I did see several supercedure cells. After weeks of waiting and wondering if I should buy a new queen, I opened the box to a frame full of open brood. Someone is laying quite a bit. Anyway, thanks for all the help with my stupid questions over the past few weeks. I now know what brood looks like, when compared to honey or pollen. We are on our way! The bees look happy and the hive should be growing. Does anyone know how common it is for the queen in a package to be quickly superceded? Thanks again, Dave Article 25232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing Message-ID: References: <8ev7bj$jbl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391A9365.6A65C482@together.net> <8geq9j$1fl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8grs4m$gtr$3@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 23 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 03:02:36 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:59:21 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25232 Ok, thanks, Pete n article <8grs4m$gtr$3@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, edwards.p@OUTstratford- upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk says... > > "Peter Amschel" wrote in message > news:MPG.1394e673cd2beb919896b9@news.pe.net... > We held the frame in > > the sun to spot the little larvae in the bottom of its cell. > ----------------------- > > Do beware of exposing young larvae to direct sunlight - it kills them very > quickly and any damage to the larvae destined to become you future queens > must be avoided at all costs. > > This is also a point to watch when inspecting colonies; if you take out the > first frame and stand it on the ground resting against the hive, make sure > that it is in the shade. > > > Article 25233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Garrick Deutschmann" From: "Garrick Deutschmann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for an extractor? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:39:22 +0200 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: bfn-dial-196-7-94-89.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <393264c1.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 29 May 2000 14:38:25 +0200, bfn-dial-196-7-94-89.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ams.uu.net!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!bfn-dial-196-7-94-89.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25233 Hi all Hoping someone can help me. I would like to build my own extractor as the retail prices in South Africa are prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know where I can find plans for one. I plan to build one that can take four trays at a time. Any help would be appreciated. Please reply to g.essene@mweb.co.za Best wishes Garrick Article 25234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!News.Tele.DK!news.tele.dk!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony N Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for an extractor? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:01:42 +0200 Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Division of Electronic Engineering Lines: 20 Message-ID: <39326A36.4A93594A@iet.hist.no> References: <393264c1.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 959605271 10478 158.38.51.37 (29 May 2000 13:01:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25234 Garrick Deutschmann wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find plans for an extracor? Try http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm There are plans for a 4 frame and a 20 frame extractor. How effective the equipment is and how relevant to your situation/availability of materials etc. I have no idea. The plans should suggest constructional ideas at the very least. -- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteammanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7004 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 25236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3933C337.BF2461CB@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: big yellow looking bee References: <3933015b.7910606@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:28:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 959693334 24.92.236.216 (Tue, 30 May 2000 09:28:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:28:54 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25236 Perhaps the European Hornet, Vespa crabro -- if it is that big, and if you are using the term "bee" in a very general way. They will grab bees on the wing, near the entrance. And keep coming back for more. Their behavior is remarkable -- they grasp a bee, fly up to a branch, maneuver so they are dangling by one leg, and proceed to chew around the bee's thorax, opening it like a can opener! The whole process is amazingly fast -- they use the rest of their legs to manipulate and spin the bee around the whole time. Then the hornet rips out the bee's thoracic muscles with its jaws, obtaining a nice tidy chunk of meat, and then just flies away with it, immediately dropping the body of the bee to the ground, like tossing away a piece of garbage. The bee barely has time to react to what's happening, and in any case, is powerless against the large hornet. Guessing that they actually are the hornets -- if you get a chance to observe this capture and feeding behavior, it really is astounding. I don't know how many honey bees the hornets will take in an hour, or a day, but it would seem that a couple nests in the vicinity of a hive could make a substantial dent in the field force, over time. They just keep returning over and over, once they are fixated on a hive as a reliable food source. Or that is what they have done here, when hives are nearby. Here in c. NY state, the hornets are "widespread but not common," but they have appeared at and around my home every summer for the past 4-5 years. They have also nested in the wall of our house. Certain relatives of these hornets (similar) can be a serious problem for honey bees in parts of Asia/SE Asia. [btw -- wondering if the hornets are a severe pest in Europe/UK, or anywhere in N.A. --- ?] --- "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > I have noticied some very large yellow colored bees. They are about 1 > - 2 inches long. I have heard that they will get in a hive and kill > honey bees. Does anyone have an idea as to the name of this bee and if > it is a threat to honey bees. > GD Article 25237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: more gm/bees news Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:40:02 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25237 posted for information/discussion purposes: Monday May 29 10:55 AM ET German Scientist Finds GM Genes Can Jump Species BERLIN (Reuters) - A top German zoologist has found that genes used to modify crops can jump the species barrier and cause bacteria to mutate but he stressed Monday that the potential risk to human health was minimal. Jena University professor Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, whose four-year study found that the alien gene used to modify oilseed rape could contaminate bacteria in the guts of bees, declined to comment in depth on his research before publication this summer. But Kaatz, who fears a backlash from the scientific community on the contentious topic of genetically modified food, confirmed that gene transfer had taken place, albeit rarely. ``To the greatest possible extent though we can rule out danger to the bees,'' he said advising against overinterpreting a study which has yet to be reviewed by his peers. Although Kaatz recognized his and fellow researcher Stefan Woelfl's findings were ``significant,'' he said he was not surprised and added that while there may be implications for bacteria in the human gut, there were no grounds for panic. ``Research is being carried out on this, although not by us.'' Copyright © 2000 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Article 25238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washing the Bee Suit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 2000 14:30:04 GMT References: <20000530062122.18860.00000713@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000530103004.07179.00000002@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25238 Arm and hammer unscented is what I use. When the propolus builds up to the point that everything is sticky and brown I add a couple tablespoons of lye to the wash water. Dry beesuits on the line becasue the gunk will be all over the inside of your dryer otherwise. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: We've got brood! - Thank you X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3933EA84.E7DA7CCA@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8gt0dv$2pqn$1@thoth.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:21:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 30 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25239 Dave wrote: > Does anyone > know how common it is for the queen in a package to be quickly superceded? > > Thanks again, > Dave I installed my first package colonies this year as well. In one of the three I found swarm cells in the 3rd week's inspection. I posted a question about it to this forum but didn't get much response. Anyway, I think it is fairly common. Another local beekeeper who is a lot more experienced than I suggest they are building the swarm/supercedure cells due to lack of emerging brood. It will take at least three weeks for brood to emerge with a package colony. In the interim I think the bees become convinced that the queen is bad and start working to replace her. In my hive I cut out all the swarm cells I found and added another deep box. Also, over the next week brood started emerging. I think this must have satisfied them because I haven't found swarm cells since and it's been almost two months. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Black Perco Frame Experience X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:04:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25240 Group, I purchased 10 black Perco frames from Brushy Mountain to try out. I put them, 5 each, into 2 bait hives. I caught a swarm in one of the traps a week or so ago. I transferred the 5 Perco frames with bees to a langstroth deep. The 5 perco frames are placed in the middle and traditional wood frames with undrawn duragilt foundation surround in the deep box. Over the weekend I inspected the hive and I found that the black Percos aren't being drawn well. Most of the new comb is hanging down from the top bar instead of being drawn out normal to the foundation. Some of the foundation is being drawn - approx. 20%. But most by far is cresent shaped natural comb hanging from the top bar between the foundation sheets. The bees are doing fine otherwise. Queen has started laying. Has anyone else had this experience with the perco frames? Is there something I'm doing wrong or could I do something different? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience Lines: 46 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:37:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959711828 12.72.41.181 (Tue, 30 May 2000 18:37:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:37:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25241 Anyone reading this group for a while knows that I am a big fan of Pierco and have an equally strong distaste of Duragilt. Sounds like you have left some space between the frames rather than having them butted tightly up against adjacent frames. What you describe will happen with ANY foundation if spaced improperly. I will be interested to find out if they actually draw out the Duragilt or just chew it down to the plastic in this configuration. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com... > Group, > > I purchased 10 black Perco frames from Brushy Mountain to try out. I put > them, 5 each, into 2 bait hives. I caught a swarm in one of the traps a > week or so ago. I transferred the 5 Perco frames with bees to a > langstroth deep. The 5 perco frames are placed in the middle and > traditional wood frames with undrawn duragilt foundation surround in the > deep box. > > Over the weekend I inspected the hive and I found that the black Percos > aren't being drawn well. Most of the new comb is hanging down from the > top bar instead of being drawn out normal to the foundation. Some of the > foundation is being drawn - approx. 20%. But most by far is cresent > shaped natural comb hanging from the top bar between the foundation > sheets. The bees are doing fine otherwise. Queen has started laying. > > Has anyone else had this experience with the perco frames? Is there > something I'm doing wrong or could I do something different? > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > > > Article 25242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 2000 18:51:02 GMT References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000530145102.19250.00000995@nso-fm.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25242 In article <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" writes: > >I know that bees will collect nectar from cotton and make honey. But do >bees pollinate cotton? I am considering asking permission to place some >hives in some of these fields. Is there a benefit to the farmer to have >honeybees foraging on his cotton? Would this increase cotton yields? > PESTICIDES will likely destroy your hives. Article 25243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Honeybees & Cotton X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:48:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25243 Group, Cotton is becoming quite a major crop here in S. Central Kansas. Five years ago there were no cotton fields around here but now I have a 60 acre field of it that sits adjacent to the north boundary of my property. There is probably several hundred acres of cotton being cultivated within a 2mi radius of my bee yard this year. Last year there was only around 50 acres. I know that bees will collect nectar from cotton and make honey. But do bees pollinate cotton? I am considering asking permission to place some hives in some of these fields. Is there a benefit to the farmer to have honeybees foraging on his cotton? Would this increase cotton yields? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:10:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 30 20:10:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25244 Doing my first hive and curious how much they should have done I am in New England and it is 25 days since the install... In the hive about half the frames have some type of comb, 3 have pretty substantial comb built and about three sides of those have brood and pollen in them. Bees are flying most days and appear pretty active. Questions: 1.Anyway here is my question...does that sound about right for 25 days into this? 2. Related to the above, I have been unable to see the queen although I see brood. The hive looked about the same today as it did a week and 2 days ago. Thanks, Ron Ellis FYI :amount of brood in there looks about the same as when I looked a week and 2 days ago, and I was unable to see any eggs on any of the frames (although they were pretty crowded with bees and I did not disturb them). I did see a bee born/crawl out of the brood though which was neat... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39341BC6.25BAAF57@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:51:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25245 George Styer wrote: > Anyone reading this group for a while knows that I am a big fan of Pierco > and have an equally strong distaste of Duragilt. Sounds like you have left > some space between the frames rather than having them butted tightly up > against adjacent frames. What you describe will happen with ANY foundation > if spaced improperly. I will be interested to find out if they actually draw > out the Duragilt or just chew it down to the plastic in this configuration. > > -- No, I didn't leave space between the frames. They are butted up against one another - all 10 of them. I didn't intend this as a condonation of the duragilt. In fact, I got the duragilt with some used equipment I purchased. I'm anxious to see how they fare with that as well. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39341D40.B24B8DC7@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> <20000530145102.19250.00000995@nso-fm.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:57:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25246 Bob Pursley wrote: > In article <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" > writes: > > > > >I know that bees will collect nectar from cotton and make honey. But do > >bees pollinate cotton? I am considering asking permission to place some > >hives in some of these fields. Is there a benefit to the farmer to have > >honeybees foraging on his cotton? Would this increase cotton yields? > > > PESTICIDES will likely destroy your hives. I don't expect this anytime soon. Since cotton is relatively new to this region boll weavels (sp?) are, so far, non exsistant. Part of the attraction of cotton to the local farmers is the fact that they don't have to spray. At least for the time being. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: We've got brood! - Thank you Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:38:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8h1cde$uq5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8gt0dv$2pqn$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 30 21:38:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25247 > "Dave" wrote: > Does anyone know how common it is for the queen in a package to be >quickly superceded? > Dave ************************************************************ Howdy Dave -- It is not too uncommon for new queens in a package to be replaced while the colony is getting established. Occasionally the queen will be poorly mated and will be a drone layer. Not real frequent, but it does happen. The breeder assumes that eggs and young larvae are ok and the queen can go with a package, but in that stage it is not possible to determine whether the eggs and very young larvae are drone or worker. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Remove Queen Cage ? Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:36:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8h1fb4$c53$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000527135059.14466.00000428@ng-fa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.amantadine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959725732 12451 62.136.77.32 (30 May 2000 22:28:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 2000 22:28:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25248 The cage is not needed once the queen has been accepted. It takes a lot of nectar for bees to produce wax to draw out comb. If there isn't a good nectar flow on then feeding with sugar syrup may induce them to draw out comb. Best wishes Stephen Cox Birmingham UK (very much a city beekeeper!) "Gwongdung" wrote in message news:20000527135059.14466.00000428@ng-fa1.aol.com... > Hello, I am a new beekeeper raising bees in an northeast U.S. urban area. > When I first installed my bees about a month ago, the queen somehow escaped her > cage on installation and joined the rest of the bees on the frame. I > nevertheless left her cage in place. Today, on checking the hive, I noticed a > lot of burr comb on the frames that the queen cage was in between, so I removed > the empty cage and some of the burr comb. Is it OK to remove the queen cage ? > > My second question, how can I help my bees draw out more comb ? Currently there > are still 3 frame or so undrawn. I've moved empty frames towards the center. > I've been feeding the queens sugar water continously. The queen is laying but > I have not been able to see her. I don't open the hives up more than once a > week. > > I'd love to correspond with other beekeepers out there, especiallly city > beekeepers ! Article 25249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:40:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8h1n1s$709$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h1g9d$1v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 31 00:40:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25249 Thanks for the info - I was wondering about feeders: entrance feeders vs. division feeders, i have been feeding them with an entrance feeder...why would you use one vs. the other...which one is best...and do the bees ever down in a division feeder? Thanks Ron In article <8h1g9d$1v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > > rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Does that sound about right for 25 days into this? > > > Ron Ellis > > ********************************************************* > > Howdy Ron -- > > Sounds like development might be a little slow. A 2# package gets > off to a slower start than larger packages. You may not have a good > honey flow on too. > > I like to feed installed packages to help them build up as quickly as > possible. They have income regardless of the weather and night time. > > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news-xfer.nuri.net!newsfeed.channeli.net!xfer.kren.ne.kr!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson < tomandcara@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New World Carniolan Message-ID: References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:19:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 959732350 24.8.20.181 (Tue, 30 May 2000 17:19:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:19:10 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25250 On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:23:24 GMT, qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) wrote: snip > >NWC queens can be purchased relatively cheaply. Pat Heitkam >(Vacaville, CA) is a good source for queens as he raises them >full-time. DO NOT purchase your queens from sideline bee breeders. >You'll end up with haphazard queens - sometimes they arrive timely, in >great shape & other times you'll end up with questionable queens. Be >sure about whom you're buying from. snip I am ready to try NWC and tried to contact Pat by the phone # I got off the internet.(916-865-9562) Unfortunately, I get a message saying "We're sorry, you've reached a number that has been disconnected....." Does anyone have a current contact phone # or email address? Article 25251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Buckfast Supercedure/ Swarming Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:47:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.174.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 959734032 24.147.174.206 (Tue, 30 May 2000 20:47:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:47:12 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25251 >He said he's gone as long as ten years from the > original queen and never had this problem. Please have him send me fifty queens! Dave Verville Fremont NH Article 25252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson < tomandcara@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pat Heitkam Message-ID: References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:47:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 959734074 24.8.20.181 (Tue, 30 May 2000 17:47:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:47:54 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25252 On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:23:24 GMT, qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) wrote: snip > >NWC queens can be purchased relatively cheaply. Pat Heitkam >(Vacaville, CA) is a good source for queens as he raises them >full-time. snip I posted under the subject: New World Carniolans but thought the subect was more Pat Heitkam than NWC so I decided to post again. I am ready to try NWC and tried to contact Pat by the phone # I got off the internet.(916-865-9562). Unfortunately, I get a message saying "We're sorry, you've reached a number that has been disconnected....." Does anyone have a current contact phone # or email address? Also any other recoomendations for buying NWC queens? Thank you. Article 25253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson < tomandcara@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Supercedure/ Swarming Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:41:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 959733695 24.8.20.181 (Tue, 30 May 2000 17:41:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:41:35 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25253 I am a new beekeeper this year and I started with a hive that was a first generation Buckfast daughter for queen. My hive developed swarm cells so I did a split. A week later it proceeded to swarm three times. After two weeks of quiet the hive is building swarm cells again. I am going to requeen. In talking to the beekeeper I got the hive from he said he's never had this problem in the twenty years he's been keeping Buckfast Bees. He said he's gone as long as ten years from the original queen and never had this problem. He does do splits regularly in the spring. In March there were several people saying that the supersedure queens of Buckfast could be pretty nasty. These are very gentle bees (I don't use a veil, just a little smoke) so temperament is good but the swarming instinct is impossible to live with. Does anyone else have similar experience with Buckfast daughters or have I been blessed with one of those unique situations? Thank you. Article 25254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bears like to eat bees more than bears like to eat honey? Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 26 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:08:22 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:04:19 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25254 Subject: Re: Way off topic. Who's a bear expert here? From: Keith Moon Newsgroups: alt.satellite.direcpc On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:17:47 -0400, me wrote: >In the past i've seen off-topic >advice on a variety of countrified wisdom floating through here so >here's a situation new to me (Me). >I have had my home adopted by a black bear, and I can't say I enjoy >his company much. He was here a couple of times last fall to play >with my bird feeder, and I thought it amusing. But now, he saunters >over most every night and circles the house. A bear just put our satellite dish (big dish) out of commission a couple months ago. There were two factors. 1) Bears love birdseed. They come out of hibernation hungry, and they look for birdfeeders to eat from. Our birdfeeder was right next to the dish. People say you should only put birdseed out in the winter, while the bears are hibernating. 2)Bears love to eat bees (more than honey). In our case, some bees had made their home in the LNA of our dish. They were cleared out of there months ago, but evidently there were traces of them there, enough to make the bear reach up and grab it. Article 25255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Leif Woodman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purchasing nucs near western NY Organization: lwoodman Reply-To: lwoodman.@.at.rr.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:14:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.152.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rochester.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 959739267 204.210.152.242 (Tue, 30 May 2000 22:14:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:14:27 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25255 Does anyone have a list of nuc suppliers in the western new york or toronto area???? thanx Article 25256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:38:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959744280 12.72.43.131 (Wed, 31 May 2000 03:38:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:38:00 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25256 Your stately tree is already compromised, but not because of the bees. I don't think they will do any further damage. I would be most concerned about the tree splitting while the bees are there. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Woody Anderson" wrote in message news:393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com... > Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up > residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just > east of San Francisco). Knowing that the honey bee population is in > decline, I hesitate to call an exterminator. But, I don't know what > kind of problems a hive will give this stately old tree. If they > adversely affect a tree's health, I'll have a hard decision to make. > > The hole that they chose to build a hive is a good 12 feet off the > ground in a trunk that's about 15" in diameter. I've no idea how deep > the hole opening is past the 3" opening. The previous owners had > allowed "nature" to do the pruning of this tree, so there are numerous > holes/scar's in the tree. > > Any suggestions from the experts? > > Article 25257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pat Heitkam Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:53:06 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-211.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 959745201 10962 207.229.151.211 (31 May 2000 03:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 03:53:21 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25257 > and tried to contact > Pat by the phone # I got off the internet.(916-865-9562). Unfortunately, I > get a message saying > "We're sorry, you've reached a number that has been disconnected....." > > Does anyone have a current contact phone # or email address? http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/usbees.htm Article 25258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:41:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 66 Message-ID: <8h1u5b$c0h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h1g9d$1v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h1n1s$709$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 31 02:41:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25258 rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > Thanks for the info - > > I was wondering about feeders: entrance feeders vs. division feeders, > i have been feeding them with an entrance feeder...why would you use > one vs. the other...which one is best...and do the bees ever down in a > division feeder? > > Thanks > > Ron > > In article <8h1g9d$1v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Pete wrote: > > > > > > > rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > Does that sound about right for 25 days into this? > > > > > Ron Ellis > > > > ********************************************************* > > > > Howdy Ron -- > > > > Sounds like development might be a little slow. A 2# package gets > > off to a slower start than larger packages. You may not have a good > > honey flow on too. > > > > I like to feed installed packages to help them build up as quickly > as > > possible. They have income regardless of the weather and night time. > > > > Pete > > So much to learn - So little time ! > > ************************************************** Howdy again Ron -- I do not like either entrance or division board feeders. I prefer a top feeder. I drill a hole in a migratory cover the size to fit the lid of the jar. On telescoping covers I drill a 1/4" hole in the middle of the top and solder a small copper tube to a regular fruit jar lid so that I sticks down to the hole in the inner cover. A few bees drown at an entrance feeder but not a lot. Rain water finds its way into it, and if robbing is a problem the robbers can get to it easily. The top feeder protects from outside meddling and makes it possible for the bees to use it in cooler weather -- in fact the cluster can form at the place where the get food from the top feeder. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Washing the Bee Suit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 2000 10:21:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000530062122.18860.00000713@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25259 I recently started Beekeeping and was told to avoid strong chemicals or aftershave when working bees. Now that my bee suit has gone a full year and needs washing, should I wash it just like other clothes or in a special wash so not to upset the bees with chemical residue??? I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 25260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: Woody Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To Bee or not to Bee..? Date: 30 May 2000 23:13:59 EDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.111.135.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25260 Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just east of San Francisco). Knowing that the honey bee population is in decline, I hesitate to call an exterminator. But, I don't know what kind of problems a hive will give this stately old tree. If they adversely affect a tree's health, I'll have a hard decision to make. The hole that they chose to build a hive is a good 12 feet off the ground in a trunk that's about 15" in diameter. I've no idea how deep the hole opening is past the 3" opening. The previous owners had allowed "nature" to do the pruning of this tree, so there are numerous holes/scar's in the tree. Any suggestions from the experts? Article 25261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Buckfast Supercedure/ Swarming Lines: 17 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:37:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959744278 12.72.43.131 (Wed, 31 May 2000 03:37:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:37:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25261 From this statement, I think it is safe to disregard anything you hear from this beekeeper. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Cara & Tom Patterson" < tomandcara@home.com> wrote in message news:rtn8js4s8moe7r2ffecn8lutisb9bv3rls@4ax.com... >He said he's gone as long as ten years from the > original queen and never had this problem. Article 25262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Message-ID: References: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 25 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:57:11 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:53:07 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25262 Honey bees don't bore into wood. Carpenter bees, the big, black, bumble- bee like bees that do that. Thanks for being considerate of the colony. The arrival of a colony like that in the oak tree in your neighborhood is a from . In article <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com>, woodyanderson@hotmail.com says... > Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up > residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just > east of San Francisco). Knowing that the honey bee population is in > decline, I hesitate to call an exterminator. But, I don't know what > kind of problems a hive will give this stately old tree. If they > adversely affect a tree's health, I'll have a hard decision to make. > > The hole that they chose to build a hive is a good 12 feet off the > ground in a trunk that's about 15" in diameter. I've no idea how deep > the hole opening is past the 3" opening. The previous owners had > allowed "nature" to do the pruning of this tree, so there are numerous > holes/scar's in the tree. > > Any suggestions from the experts? > > > Article 25263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <540Z4.15122$NE3.1125587@nntp1.onemain.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:02:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 959745409 216.80.176.182 (Tue, 30 May 2000 23:56:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:56:49 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25263 Is it possible that these may be Africanized bees? -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Woody Anderson wrote in message news:393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com... > Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up > residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just > east of San Francisco). Article 25264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: Woody Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Date: 31 May 2000 00:50:24 EDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <3934996F.3520F4C@nospam.hotmail.com> References: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.111.135.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25264 I had an arborist look at the tree last fall after we bought the house. He stated that the tree, despite the holes & scars, was doing fine. I hadn't thought about the tree splitting... that could get interesting! George Styer wrote: > Your stately tree is already compromised, but not because of the bees. I > don't think they will do any further damage. I would be most concerned about > the tree splitting while the bees are there. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > "Woody Anderson" wrote in message > news:393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com... > > Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up > > residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just > > east of San Francisco). Knowing that the honey bee population is in > > decline, I hesitate to call an exterminator. But, I don't know what > > kind of problems a hive will give this stately old tree. If they > > adversely affect a tree's health, I'll have a hard decision to make. > > > > The hole that they chose to build a hive is a good 12 feet off the > > ground in a trunk that's about 15" in diameter. I've no idea how deep > > the hole opening is past the 3" opening. The previous owners had > > allowed "nature" to do the pruning of this tree, so there are numerous > > holes/scar's in the tree. > > > > Any suggestions from the experts? > > > > Article 25265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: Woody Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Date: 31 May 2000 00:20:42 EDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3934927A.2F98E02C@nospam.hotmail.com> References: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> <540Z4.15122$NE3.1125587@nntp1.onemain.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.111.135.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25265 I do not believe that the Africanized bees have made it this far north. I do know they are in Southern Cal, but haven't heard of them above the LA basin yet. Ed wrote: > Is it possible that these may be Africanized bees? > > -- > Ed > > http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ > > Woody Anderson wrote in message > news:393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com... > > Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up > > residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just > > east of San Francisco). Article 25266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!feeder.via.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: Woody Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Date: 31 May 2000 00:24:14 EDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3934934E.253824C1@nospam.hotmail.com> References: <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.111.135.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25266 They didn't have to bore.... the hole was already there. The tree had been neglected by the previous owners for the past 20+ years; deadfalls were not trimmed and allowed to scar over and/or rot creating numerous holes. The woodpeckers & nuthatches just love the tree. Peter Amschel wrote: > Honey bees don't bore into wood. Carpenter bees, the big, black, bumble- > bee like bees that do that. > Thanks for being considerate of the colony. The arrival of a colony like > that in the oak tree in your neighborhood is a from . > > In article <393482D7.C5AE60B7@hotmail.com>, woodyanderson@hotmail.com > says... > > Just found out today that we have a Honey Bee hive that has taken up > > residence in our 50 year old Oak tree here in Walnut Creek, CA (just > > east of San Francisco). Knowing that the honey bee population is in > > decline, I hesitate to call an exterminator. But, I don't know what > > kind of problems a hive will give this stately old tree. If they > > adversely affect a tree's health, I'll have a hard decision to make. > > > > The hole that they chose to build a hive is a good 12 feet off the > > ground in a trunk that's about 15" in diameter. I've no idea how deep > > the hole opening is past the 3" opening. The previous owners had > > allowed "nature" to do the pruning of this tree, so there are numerous > > holes/scar's in the tree. > > > > Any suggestions from the experts? > > > > > > Article 25267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washing the Bee Suit Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:32:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8h2a0d$1pu$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000530062122.18860.00000713@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.meitnerium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 959753037 1854 62.136.74.190 (31 May 2000 06:03:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 06:03:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25267 I suspect that the bees would prefer anything to a beesuit that has not been washed for a year! "Richard Flanagan" wrote in message news:20000530062122.18860.00000713@ng-cj1.aol.com... > I recently started Beekeeping and was told to avoid strong chemicals or > aftershave when working bees. Now that my bee suit has gone a full year and > needs washing, should I wash it just like other clothes or in a special wash so > not to upset the bees with chemical residue??? > > > > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 25268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson < tomandcara@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pat Heitkam Message-ID: References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:23:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 959779415 24.8.20.181 (Wed, 31 May 2000 06:23:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:23:35 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25268 The area code had changed. Thanks! On Tue, 30 May 2000 22:53:06 -0500, Barry Birkey wrote: > >> and tried to contact >> Pat by the phone # I got off the internet.(916-865-9562). Unfortunately, I >> get a message saying >> "We're sorry, you've reached a number that has been disconnected....." >> >> Does anyone have a current contact phone # or email address? > >http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/usbees.htm Article 25269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393509C8.C525C4C5@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bears like to eat bees more than bears like to eat honey? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:47:04 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 959777110 208.13.202.26 (Wed, 31 May 2000 08:45:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:45:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25269 I've had many colonies eaten by bears over the years. I would say that bears like to eat brood more than honey. Think about it. If you were hungry, could you eat a pound of honey or a pound of steak more easily? Peter Amschel wrote: > Subject: Re: Way off topic. Who's a bear expert here? > From: Keith Moon > Newsgroups: alt.satellite.direcpc > > > > > > > > > > Article 25270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Bee or not to Bee..? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 2000 17:19:31 GMT References: <3934927A.2F98E02C@nospam.hotmail.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000531131931.11476.00002405@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25270 Now that you have a colony of pollinators taking up residence on your property, it might be a good year to grow some champion vegetables. If you do decide to have the bees exterminated, be careful of the pesticide used. Dursban, the trade name for chlorpyrifos—a common exterminator poison that is also used in 800 to a 1,000 garden and household pest control products currently being sold in a Home Depot near you—is expected to be banned for home and garden use by the EPA on June 8th. The EPA doesn't usually ban a product that is still on the shelves, so it might start a ban in 3 months. Either way, you might want to opt for another poison if you decide to go that route. For more info, go to www.dursban.org. Good luck P.S. As for agricultural use, Washington state apple industry representatives think the only restriction will be that it will only be allowed in apple orchards pre-bloom. The state's apple growers are arguing against this restriction. Article 25271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.comxxx (Jeff Reader) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractors Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 2000 17:29:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000531132955.14199.00000896@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25271 I am looking for a new extractor. I remember seeing some formula that said for X number of hives you would need an extractor or extractors that would hold X number of frames. I can no longer find this. Can anyone help me? Jeffery E Reader No XXX in my E-mail Article 25272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!diablo.theplanet.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why the inner cover? Message-ID: <39356e33.2532860875@news.usenetserver.com> References: <3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 13 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:54:38 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:56:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25272 because you want to get the telescoping cover off sometimes .. just forget an inner cover once and you'll know the answer. On Wed, 31 May 2000 12:13:50 -0700, Matthew Pollard wrote: >I have always used an inner cover. Why would you not use them. Should i >use them or not with my new hives? >Thanks once again. >Matthew > Article 25273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:20:36 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 91 Message-ID: <393557F3.79D5C253@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25273 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > Cotton is becoming quite a major crop here in S. Central Kansas. > I know that bees will collect nectar from cotton and make honey. But do > bees pollinate cotton? I am considering asking permission to place some > hives in some of these fields. Is there a benefit to the farmer to have > honeybees foraging on his cotton? Would this increase cotton yields? > > Billy Y. Smart II This has been the subject of research for the last half-century or more. I refer you to the following clips from S.E. McGregor's book "Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants", which we maintain and update on our website at http://198.22.133.109/book/index.html Cotton can be found (and read) in Chapter 10. - Hope this helps ...... and which is stranger - cotton in Kansas, or corn in Phoenix ? "Recognizing the variation in cotton due to natural speciation, breeder manipulation, the wide distribution, and the conditions under which it is grown, the following discussion will be largely confined to upland cotton. Pima and, to a much lesser degree, the other two species, will also be mentioned. Because of some lack of agreement on the pollination requirements of cotton, more than the usual amount of space is devoted herein to this crop. " "COTTON AS A HONEY PLANT: In many of the areas where cotton is grown it is considered a major honey plant (Benson 1937, Kuliev 19S8, Minkov 1957, Parks 1921). It does not produce as much honey per acre per day as alfalfa, clover, or many other sources (Butler et al. 1972) but because of its longer flowering period, excellent crops of honey can be obtained. Pima cotton is recognized by beekeepers as a better honey source than upland cotton. Vansell (1944a) calculated that 1 acre of Pima cotton was equal to 30 acres of Acala in the production of nectar. Ivanova-Paroiskaya (1950) reported honey crops of 300 kg/ha (267 lb/acre) for G. barbadense compared to 75 to 90 kg/ha (66 to 80 lb/acre) for upland. Normally, when bees are working cotton blossoms, there is a steady, but not spectacular, storage of the high-quality cotton honey. Unfortunately, highly toxic insecticides, frequently used on cotton during the flowering period, kill many bees and prevent the harvest of a honey crop. Pollination Requirements: Cotton is usually referred to as a partially cross-pollinated crop, although many breeders have treated it as a completely self-fertile and self-pollinating crop except for accidental and unwanted cross- pollination caused by pollinating insects. Cross-pollination has been referred to as "natural crossing," and is considered detrimental because of the introduction of off-type plants into the progeny. Its impact on production has not been given much consideration. Breeders know that a cotton blossom isolated by any one of several techniques will usually develop a mature boll with viable seed. Breeders also know that they seldom obtain by this method quite as many seed or as much lint from such bolls as they obtain from open-pollinated ones (Stephens 1956). ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bears like to eat bees more than bears like to eat honey? Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 2000 20:26:54 GMT References: <393509C8.C525C4C5@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000531162654.18399.00002168@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25274 Grizzlies Could Return to Bitterroots Soon Plan to reintroduce big bears by 2002 Mark Derr, New York Times From any perspective, the remote, rugged country surrounding the Bitterroot Mountains in western Montana and central Idaho appears ideal for grizzly bears -- alpine meadows; pine, cedar and fir forests; glacial lakes and fast-running streams flowing into lush river valleys. Despite several exhaustive surveys, no one has seen a grizzly bear in this region for more than half a century. That situation is about to change. This summer, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is expected to adopt a controversial plan to put grizzly bears back in the Bitterroot region. A 15-member citizen management committee will be charged with finding a way for the bears to flourish and coexist with humans, particularly those engaged in backcountry recreation, logging, mining and ranching. If threatened congressional and legal challenges from Idaho do not delay the plan from being carried out, the management committee will complete preparations for the arrival of the first bears in 2002, said Dr. Christopher Servheen, grizzly bear recovery coordinator for the Fish and Wildlife Service, based in Missoula, Mont. Over five years, at least 25 bears will be released in the Bitterroots. Because of the grizzly's slow reproductive rate, it will take 50 to 110 years for the population to reach the project's goal of 280 bears. Article 25275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: which foundation? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:12:47 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3935642F.E25AF29@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959800812 1299 129.101.81.41 (31 May 2000 19:20:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 19:20:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25275 I need some frames and foundation. In the past i used the generic wire foundation because there were not any other options. What is the difference between: Duragilt, Rite Cell and Plastic foundations. Assume they are all waxed. Thanks Matthew Article 25276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Louis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New World Carniolan Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:36:46 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8h40ns$4k3$3@wanadoo.fr> References: <38DD7966.9E77157@kingston.net> <38e04893.35318844@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: integ-clermont-f-102-242.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 959809084 4739 193.250.213.242 (31 May 2000 21:38:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 21:38:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25276 Genuine - Autochton Carniolan is on the adresse 6 carniolan come from the Alps in >>Slovenia and not from Hawai //www.apiphyt.com/carnica/uk/uk_acceuil.htm Goods loks >Louis Cara & Tom Patterson a écrit dans le message ... >On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:23:24 GMT, qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) wrote: > >snip >> >>NWC queens can be purchased relatively cheaply. Pat Heitkam >>(Vacaville, CA) is a good source for queens as he raises them >>full-time. DO NOT purchase your queens from sideline bee breeders. >>You'll end up with haphazard queens - sometimes they arrive timely, in >>great shape & other times you'll end up with questionable queens. Be >>sure about whom you're buying from. > >snip > >I am ready to try NWC and tried to contact Pat by the phone # I got off the >internet.(916-865-9562) Unfortunately, I get a message saying "We're >sorry, you've reached a number that has been disconnected....." > >Does anyone have a current contact phone # or email address? > > Article 25277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 2000 21:34:25 GMT References: <39341BC6.25BAAF57@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000530173425.28988.00000965@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25277 I too tried 10 medium black Piercos this Spring in a medium brood super and while they are drawn perfectly, I have found that they do not mix well with traditional framed supers above or below. I have gotten an excessive amount of burr comb above and below the super that these are in and will work this super out into a honey super next Spring. Todd Palmetto, GA Article 25278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washing the Bee Suit Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:27:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8h1er8$bt3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000530062122.18860.00000713@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.amantadine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 959725224 12195 62.136.77.32 (30 May 2000 22:20:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 2000 22:20:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25278 I just stick mine in the nomal wash (but on its own because it gets so filthy) - it causes no problems. I enjoyed the bible verse. Best wishes Stephen Cox, Birmingham, UK "Richard Flanagan" wrote in message news:20000530062122.18860.00000713@ng-cj1.aol.com... > I recently started Beekeeping and was told to avoid strong chemicals or > aftershave when working bees. Now that my bee suit has gone a full year and > needs washing, should I wash it just like other clothes or in a special wash so > not to upset the bees with chemical residue??? > > > > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 25279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:45:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8h1g9d$1v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 30 22:45:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25279 > rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > Does that sound about right for 25 days into this? > Ron Ellis ********************************************************* Howdy Ron -- Sounds like development might be a little slow. A 2# package gets off to a slower start than larger packages. You may not have a good honey flow on too. I like to feed installed packages to help them build up as quickly as possible. They have income regardless of the weather and night time. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.114.228.234!news-x.support.nl!psinet-eu-nl!news.imp.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:13:11 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8h1ear$t5b2@news.vtx.ch> References: <3933269F.2CBB6004@home.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p21.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25280 As I understand it, it is far better to treat them with formic acid or thym oil, and if you do treat do it after the honey flow. RICHARD MCCLELLAN a écrit dans le message : 3933269F.2CBB6004@home.com... > Pardon me for questions that have undoubtably been asked and anwwered > numerous times. I am a hobby beekeeper (Northern Ca) that has been out > of the game for a few years. Sunday, I was working outside when I saw z > a swarm of bees coming up the hill. They lighted in a fruit tree. Small > swarm--maybe a pound or pound and a half of bees. I was able (you don't > want to see my garage) to locate my old beekeeping gear, and a hive. > Forthwith, I got them in the hive with an entrance feeder. All seems to > be well. > > Now, my questions. I quit beekeeping about the time that the tracheal > mites showed up in my area. I am sure my last hive or two went to them > based on a lack of treatment. What do you do with a swarm like this. > Apistan? Are there any other medications needed? When does the Apistan > go on? I remember something about 30 days, and before the honey flow? > > I am kind of excited. I had actually subscribed to a beekeeping > magazine a few weeks ago. Kind of had the "urge". Now I have a hive. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rich McClellan > > Lichau@home.com Article 25281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:51:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8h1gl2$257$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3933269F.2CBB6004@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 30 22:51:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25281 > RICHARD MCCLELLAN wrote: > What do you do with a swarm like this. > Apistan? Are there any other medications needed? When does the >Apistan go on? > > Rich McClellan ************************************************************ Howdy Rich -- I suggest that you put the Apistan in now and leave it 6 weeks. You will not be storing surplus honey during that time. The Apistan will be more effective than later when you have a LOT of brood when the Apistan can not touch the sealed in mites. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: big yellow looking bee Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:25:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8h2a07$1pu$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3933015b.7910606@news.usit.net> <3933C2E9.723639F7@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.meitnerium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 959753031 1854 62.136.74.190 (31 May 2000 06:03:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 06:03:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25282 We regularly see hornets at two of our apiaries - we saw one yesterday around the hives - but they seem to have little effect on the bees. They are very gentle insects and are a magnificent sight. It always amazes me that I can hear the very low hum of a hornet (and indeed a queen wasp) above the noise of the bees when working the hives. "JGinNY" wrote in message news:3933C2E9.723639F7@cornell.edu... > Perhaps the European Hornet, Vespa crabro -- if it is that big, and if > you are using the term "bee" in a very general way. > They will grab bees on the wing, near the entrance. And keep coming > back for more. > > Their behavior is remarkable -- they grasp a bee, fly up to a branch, > maneuver so they are dangling by one leg, and proceed to chew around the > bee's thorax, opening it like a can opener! The whole process is > amazingly fast -- they use the rest of their legs to manipulate and spin > the bee around the whole time. Then the hornet rips out the bee's > thoracic muscles with its jaws, obtaining a nice tidy chunk of meat, and > then just flies away with it, immediately dropping the body of the bee to > the ground, like tossing away a piece of garbage. The bee barely has > time to react to what's happening, and in any case, is powerless against > the large hornet. > > Guessing that they actually are the hornets -- if you get a chance to > observe this capture and feeding behavior, it really is astounding. > > I don't know how many honey bees the hornets will take in an hour, or a > day, but it would seem that a couple nests in the vicinity of a hive > could make a substantial dent in the field force, over time. They just > keep returning over and over, once they are fixated on a hive as a > reliable food source. Or that is what they have done here, when hives > are nearby. > > Here in c. NY state, the hornets are "widespread but not common," but > they have appeared at and around my home every summer for the past 4-5 > years. They have also nested in the wall of our house. > > Certain relatives of these hornets (similar) can be a serious problem for > honey bees in parts of Asia/SE Asia. > > [btw -- wondering if the hornets are a severe pest in Europe/UK, or > anywhere in N.A. --- ?] > --- > > "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > > > I have noticied some very large yellow colored bees. They are about 1 > > - 2 inches long. I have heard that they will get in a hive and kill > > honey bees. Does anyone have an idea as to the name of this bee and if > > it is a threat to honey bees. > > GD > Article 25283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purchasing nucs near western NY Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:59:34 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8h2ref$5p9$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.214 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25283 Hi: Try contacting the Ontario Beekeepers Assoc. (OBA), http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee/ , email ontbee@tcc.on.ca , phone 519.565.2622, fax 519.565.5452, and ask for the list of Ontario Queen and Nuc producers. Keith Article 25284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "d" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Supercedure/ Swarming Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:50:43 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8h2ufj$iv4$1@einstein.greenhills.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-137.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 959774003 19428 208.232.214.137 (31 May 2000 11:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 11:53:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25284 Hello, I believe you have a unusual queen, I use buckfast queens, and have some supercede the second year. Wish I had some of those 10 year old gene pool. I have never had a problem with swarming in the first two years, although they get very crowed. I would try another queen , whether buckfast or not. Do you have a heavy mite problem. I just wondering if they are under stress , from something. preacher Article 25285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39350897.9072917E@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:42:00 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 959776806 208.13.202.26 (Wed, 31 May 2000 08:40:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:40:06 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25285 I hate pierco. Too often the bees do just what you say. I believe I have given it a fair test. I bought 3000 of the deep, waxed. After four years of fighting with it I believe it was a mistake. In many instances, four Pierco frames between six drawn comb, above a strong colony's brood nest, and they screw it up. "All you gotta do is paint each one with sugar syrup." Yeah right! Billy Y. Smart II wrote: > Group, > Over the weekend I inspected the hive and I found that the black Percos > aren't being drawn well. Most of the new comb is hanging down from the > top bar instead of being drawn out normal to the foundation. Some of the > foundation is being drawn - approx. 20%. > > Has anyone else had this experience with the perco frames? Is there > something I'm doing wrong or could I do something different? > > >