Article 29515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Message-ID: <3aeeacea.333579890@west.usenetserver.com> References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> <3AEE97C9.EDB27CC5@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:37:14 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:38:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29515 In my experience this is normal ..I noticed at first had very slight reactions, about the third time I came to a point where a couple stings on my hand caused my whole lower arm to swell and itch like hell for 3 days. After that time, each sting just caused slight swelling and mild itch for less than a day, seamed less each time I got stung. Over the past two years I have noticed very little swelling or itch until the first day out this year when I got about 3 stings on one hand, it itched / swelled very slightly again the evening of the stings but was gone by morning.. some of the immunity must wear off over the long winter ?? Dave Article 29516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:57:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29516 for the other end of the continuum, see "Woman Survives Bee Attack", especially the video link... http://www.click2houston.com/hou/news/stories/news-73583320010423-100449.htm l Article 29517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First time Beekeeper... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:38:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 988724546 216.224.203.88 (Tue, 01 May 2001 08:42:26 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:42:26 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29517 My bees get here today or tomorrow. I've got 2 hives ready to go. I've got a gallon of 2:1 syrup. Am I missing anything? Any last minute advice or warnings? Thanks, Taylor Article 29518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 May 2001 13:54:37 GMT References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: First time Beekeeper... Message-ID: <20010501095437.16736.00001635@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29518 The most common beginner mistake is to install the bees on a warm, sunny morning, when they'll be prone to abscond. If it's cold or rainy, go ahead and install. If it's warm, wait until near the end of the day. The queen cage is normally corked. Some will say that you can remove the cork right away; some even say go ahead and release the queen, because they are already acquainted. I'd rather hold them for at least a day, more if you are drawing foundation, before letting the queen out, again, to prevent absconding. A gallon of syrup is a drop in the bucket. Be ready to mix more. If they are healthy they'll suck it up in a few hours. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bad Bees! Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:33:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29519 I had some really nasty bees at a friends house. I had gone and requeened them, but in doing so really got them stirred up! A few days ago my friend called and said that the bees were stinging himself, the neighbors and passers by, and that he wanted me to move the bees. I, of course, did. My problem is though, that the few straglers that were left behind (I did move them late in the evening, but quite a few still took to flight before I got them closed up) are still bothering people! I went over this morning to check out the situation, and at first, I saw no bees, but then after walking around a bit, I attracted a dozen or so. They seemed to have nothing better to do than attack. These are the most hostile bees I have encountered to date. My question is, how long will those straglers live as solitary bees? I would have guessed that they would have dispersed the next day and caused no further problems. Is there anything I can do to get rid of them faster, or is just waiting for them to die the best we can hope for? Thanks for any input, Charles Texas Article 29520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 May 2001 13:56:33 GMT References: <9cm905$duam8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Veil Message-ID: <20010501095633.16736.00001637@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29520 >I am looking for replacement material for my mesh on my veil. Any >suggestions appreciated. > >P.S. Not using a "Veil" is not a proper response.... Just thought I'd say >that before beekeep did ;) I wouldn't say that! I do sometimes work without a veil, but always with one within reach. My wife makes mine of black tulle material, which is fragile but cheap, and offers the best visibility of all materials. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:35:38 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> <3AEE97C9.EDB27CC5@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29521 On Tue, 01 May 2001 07:02:33 -0400, michael palmer wrote: >If I were you, I would try to get stung more frequently. I believe you are >asking for trouble if you procede as you are. Get rid of your gloves, and see if >you can't build up your immunity to stings. Just taking benadryl isn't the >correct solution. Mike Mostly that's not a bad idea, but I knew one man who had been keeping bees for about 50 years, and didn't even feel bee stings. then one day, he was stung by a single bee, and ended up in hospital, being defibrillated. He gave up beekeeping after that. I only ever feel a slight point of heat, which soon fades to nothing. I still make a huge fuss about it though (for the attention, you understand...) -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making room for the queen.... Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:09:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ae8851b.65938176@news1.radix.net> <3AE8A7AA.E422969F@NOTaol.com> <3ae959c0.120375501@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29522 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ae959c0.120375501@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:56:42 GMT, MaGa wrote: > > Don't believe everything you read. There has been a lot written about > the newspaper method. No commercial beekeepers use it because we know > the bees can't read. The reality is that someone dreamed it up, it > doesn't hurt the bees, so it must work. Doing the exact same thing > without the paper gets the same results. > > beekeep > I'm just curious ... I have never tried the newspaper method, but was considering it. What procedure do you use to unite colonies? Do you just kill the queen on one and place the brood chamber on the other? Article 29523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AEE97C9.EDB27CC5@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:02:33 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 988714542 206.231.24.85 (Tue, 01 May 2001 06:55:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:55:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29523 If I were you, I would try to get stung more frequently. I believe you are asking for trouble if you procede as you are. Get rid of your gloves, and see if you can't build up your immunity to stings. Just taking benadryl isn't the correct solution. Mike K Adney wrote: > Darn, got stung twice this last weekend (while I was taking off the beesuit > & veil). Got stung once last year and like then, the reddened area is about > 4" by 6" (and itchy). Is this an increasing reaction? Will it decrease > with time? Stay the same? Any opinions? My first sting 3 years ago was > only the size of a quarter. Anything to take besides Benadryl (and maybe a > little Cortisone cream)? Article 29524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Veil Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:08:11 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9cm905$duam8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988718917 14625480 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29524 I am looking for replacement material for my mesh on my veil. Any suggestions appreciated. P.S. Not using a "Veil" is not a proper response.... Just thought I'd say that before beekeep did ;) -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 29525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing a wild hive Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3AE10828.132B6346@bryder.net> <9bslp4$fbi$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <3AEA5940.F3C3358C@bryder.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 988745926 nnrp-12:1241 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29525 In article <3AEA5940.F3C3358C@bryder.net>, dave writes > >What's the Cone Method? My neighbor would like them gone but is not in a huge >hurry. There is a good section on a video made by Bob Harrison showing this. You stop up all entrances to the wild colony bar the most convenient one for you. After all the bees have adjusted to the one and only entrance, you make up the exit down to a tight cone from which bees can forage, but which is a little way away from where it was. You place a hive, preferably with a young queen in it right next to the old entrance position. Foraging bees come back and go to the young queen. This depletes the colony of flying bees. But bees still keep emerging from the nest as they mature enough to fly and they have to be removed. Here I am not quite sure of the best way, but I have used a pipe which I put near to the hive and bees find it easier to go to the new queen than find the pipe. Eventually the old colony has no bees and dies out. Then, if the cone system is removed, the new queen's bees will rob out the nest. Remove the colony and block up all entrances to prevent a new swarm from taking over and starting it all over again. -- James Kilty Article 29526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making room for the queen.... Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 20:54:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3aef21bf.120776961@news1.radix.net> References: <3ae8851b.65938176@news1.radix.net> <3AE8A7AA.E422969F@NOTaol.com> <3ae959c0.120375501@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29526 On Tue, 1 May 2001 11:09:46 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3ae959c0.120375501@news1.radix.net... >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:56:42 GMT, MaGa wrote: >> >> Don't believe everything you read. There has been a lot written about >> the newspaper method. No commercial beekeepers use it because we know >> the bees can't read. The reality is that someone dreamed it up, it >> doesn't hurt the bees, so it must work. Doing the exact same thing >> without the paper gets the same results. >> >> beekeep >> >I'm just curious ... I have never tried the newspaper method, but was >considering it. What procedure do you use to unite colonies? Do you just >kill the queen on one and place the brood chamber on the other? > You just put one box on top the other or in some cases you just put the frames of bees from two hives into one box and a super of honey on top. The fighting only lasts 15 minutes or so until they all all smell the same. Then they can't tell which is which and settle down. You really don't loose many bees. The queens will decide who is boss so you don't need to worry with finding them either. This will work with two swarms as well! beekeep Article 29527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 20:56:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3aef22da.121060190@news1.radix.net> References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> <3AEE97C9.EDB27CC5@together.net> <3aeeacea.333579890@west.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29527 On Tue, 01 May 2001 12:38:54 GMT, hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: >In my experience this is normal ..I noticed at first had very slight >reactions, about the third time I came to a point where a couple >stings on my hand caused my whole lower arm to swell and itch like >hell for 3 days. After that time, each sting just caused slight >swelling and mild itch for less than a day, seamed less each time I >got stung. > >Over the past two years I have noticed very little swelling or itch >until the first day out this year when I got about 3 stings on one >hand, it itched / swelled very slightly again the evening of the >stings but was gone by morning.. some of the immunity must wear off >over the long winter ?? > >Dave > Another good reason to open the hive in February to take a look! beekeep Article 29528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veil Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:05:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3aef2378.121218401@news1.radix.net> References: <9cm905$duam8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29528 On Tue, 1 May 2001 08:08:11 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >I am looking for replacement material for my mesh on my veil. Any >suggestions appreciated. > >P.S. Not using a "Veil" is not a proper response.... Just thought I'd say >that before beekeep did ;) >-- >BeeFarmer >BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > While I realize that "real men" don't wear a veil, I do most of the time! I always know where my beesuit is as well. You never know when you will need it. The same goes with the fire extinguisher. The screen in the veil looks like the same vinyl coated screen used foe shipping cages. I don't know where you can buy small quantities. Maybe you could remove some from a bee package? beekeep Article 29529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad Bees! Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:39:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AEF2D20.50AC67E@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29529 Howdy Charles -- I am not prone to kill bees, but in this case I would just to keep bees and beekeeping a bad name. Take a roach or wasp bomb and check at night to see if they are clumped at the old site. If so spray them. If they are dispersed and waiting for folks to come by, you might try putting an empty super at the old site to give them a place to go till you can destroy them. Pete ********************* CharlesW wrote: > I had some really nasty bees at a friends house. I had gone and requeened > them, but in doing so really got them stirred up! A few days ago my friend > called and said that the bees were stinging himself, the neighbors and > passers by, and that he wanted me to move the bees. I, of course, did. My > problem is though, that the few straglers that were left behind (I did move > them late in the evening, but quite a few still took to flight before I got > them closed up) are still bothering people! I went over this morning to > check out the situation, and at first, I saw no bees, but then after walking > around a bit, I attracted a dozen or so. They seemed to have nothing better > to do than attack. > These are the most hostile bees I have encountered to date. > My question is, how long will those straglers live as solitary bees? I > would have guessed that they would have dispersed the next day and caused no > further problems. Is there anything I can do to get rid of them faster, or > is just waiting for them to die the best we can hope for? > > Thanks for any input, > Charles > Texas Article 29530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: re-queening issues?! & nuc q's Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:45:13 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3AEF4A89.5538954C@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 988760638 24573 129.101.81.64 (1 May 2001 23:43:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 2001 23:43:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29530 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:292 Need some help here i am trying to make a nuc. I took three frames of brood and 1.5 frames of nectar/pollen/capped honey from a strong hive and bees along with it. I let the hive sit for two days w/o a queen. I then took the queen box, pulled out the cork and poked a 1/16" diamter hole through the sugar-plug and put the box with the sugar plug facing down between 2 frames in the middle of the frames at the top of the hive. I went back 4 days later and the queen and the few nurse bees were dead. Ii have another queen ariving tomorrow (hopefully!) and what am i supposed to do? How can i increases my chances of the queen being accepted into this nuc? Did i miss something? What about removing the nurse bees before i instert the queen cage? How big of a hole should i make? How long should i wait too check? When do i get worried. BEfore i queen i'll make sure there are no queen cells. Thanks matthew in Moscow ID Article 29531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "DRUMSD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax and candles Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:51:57 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-E4jzmCDKqSgR3qMaZpQwSgnj5PqH12dn5AAKs3LwSSTwx0QrjHwbZIMylODgPAwgCq7ucLPG3y3PP9x!EHYOVX+E3RrzZDBaJYWOHi4wGR6o10DOmCtJmRTiUzl/PQ2ofZOCrE1WQutuxO1J5887U8fq9/cv!R2IhYdIjBXEiFyU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:51:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29531 Anyone know of a good place to purchase rubber or latex type molds for candle making? I have tried BetterBee, and am looking for more places with more selection. Thanks David drumsd@twave.net Article 29532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening issues?! & nuc q's Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:58:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AEF3F80.7E65BE09@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3AEF4A89.5538954C@uidaho.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29532 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:293 Howdy Matthew -- Your only mistake seems to be putting the candy end DOWN. The attendant bees frequently die before release time, so the dead bee falls into the opening in the candy and the queen can not get out. Next time, place the candy end UP. Pete ***************************** Matthew Pollard wrote: > Need some help here > i am trying to make a nuc. I took three frames of brood and 1.5 frames > of nectar/pollen/capped honey from a strong hive and bees along with > it. I let the hive sit for two days w/o a queen. I then took the queen > box, pulled out the cork and poked a 1/16" diamter hole through the > sugar-plug and put the box with the sugar plug facing down between 2 > frames in the middle of the frames at the top of the hive. I went back > 4 days later and the queen and the few nurse bees were dead. Ii have > another queen ariving tomorrow (hopefully!) and what am i supposed to > do? How can i increases my chances of the queen being accepted into this > nuc? Did i miss something? What about removing the nurse bees before i > instert the queen cage? How big of a hole should i make? How long > should i wait too check? When do i get worried. BEfore i queen i'll make > sure there are no queen cells. > Thanks > matthew in Moscow ID Article 29533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: First time Beekeeper... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:09:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29533 I think you will want to use 1:1 syrup. The 2:1 is for fall feeding. Taylor Francis wrote: > > My bees get here today or tomorrow. > I've got 2 hives ready to go. > I've got a gallon of 2:1 syrup. > > Am I missing anything? > > Any last minute advice or warnings? > > Thanks, > Taylor -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax and candles Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:53:19 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29534 On Tue, 01 May 2001 23:51:57 GMT, "DRUMSD" wrote: >Anyone know of a good place to purchase rubber or latex type molds for >candle making? I have tried BetterBee, and am looking for more places with >more selection. > http://thorne.co.uk/index.htm though I realise it may be a bit far away from where you are. they do have a good selection (of everything you could possibly need). -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax and candles Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:50:36 -0400 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9cosb7$ecrqa$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988804265 15101770 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29535 You might want to try http://www.homestead.com/SimpsonBeeSupply/Welcome.html -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "JAF" wrote in message news:t6kuet04a7o8v3uiicefo18mq2a3p034a6@4ax.com... > On Tue, 01 May 2001 23:51:57 GMT, "DRUMSD" wrote: > > >Anyone know of a good place to purchase rubber or latex type molds for > >candle making? I have tried BetterBee, and am looking for more places with > >more selection. > > > > http://thorne.co.uk/index.htm > though I realise it may be a bit far away from where you are. > they do have a good selection (of everything you could possibly need). > > > > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > www.jaf.co.uk > ne cede malis Article 29536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veil Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:53:38 -0400 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9cosgt$eupk8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9cm905$duam8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3aef2378.121218401@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988804445 15689352 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29536 My daughter suggested I tape all the screens from queen cages on the holes!!! Obviously she doesn't wear my veil! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "beekeep" wrote in message news:3aef2378.121218401@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 1 May 2001 08:08:11 -0400, "BeeFarmer" > wrote: > > >I am looking for replacement material for my mesh on my veil. Any > >suggestions appreciated. > > > >P.S. Not using a "Veil" is not a proper response.... Just thought I'd say > >that before beekeep did ;) > >-- > >BeeFarmer > >BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > While I realize that "real men" don't wear a veil, I do most of the > time! I always know where my beesuit is as well. You never know when > you will need it. The same goes with the fire extinguisher. > > The screen in the veil looks like the same vinyl coated screen used > foe shipping cages. I don't know where you can buy small quantities. > Maybe you could remove some from a bee package? > > beekeep > Article 29537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <3AEF4A89.5538954C@uidaho.edu> <3AEF3F80.7E65BE09@arkansas.net> Subject: Re: re-queening issues?! & nuc q's Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:02:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.189.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 988808551 24.91.189.110 (Wed, 02 May 2001 09:02:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:02:31 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29537 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:294 Right... but just to be sure the rest of the orientation is ok, make sure that the screen side is facing down (you may need to remove a frame to fit this in) with the candy end elevated to prevent dead bees from clogging, as Pete said. Put the cage between frames that have brood. In splits, the older bees usually go back to the original hive, leaving the younger ones, which are more likely to accept the new queen, so you should have a good chance at success... unless the bees have decided there is no queen and started making their own. Check for queen cells before you put the new cage in. -Steve "H. Rogers" wrote in message news:3AEF3F80.7E65BE09@arkansas.net... > Howdy Matthew -- > > Your only mistake seems to be putting the candy end DOWN. > The attendant bees frequently die before release time, so the dead > bee falls into the opening in the candy and the queen can not get out. > Next time, place the candy end UP. > > Pete > ***************************** > > Matthew Pollard wrote: > > > Need some help here > > i am trying to make a nuc. I took three frames of brood and 1.5 frames > > of nectar/pollen/capped honey from a strong hive and bees along with > > it. I let the hive sit for two days w/o a queen. I then took the queen > > box, pulled out the cork and poked a 1/16" diamter hole through the > > sugar-plug and put the box with the sugar plug facing down between 2 > > frames in the middle of the frames at the top of the hive. I went back > > 4 days later and the queen and the few nurse bees were dead. Ii have > > another queen ariving tomorrow (hopefully!) and what am i supposed to > > do? How can i increases my chances of the queen being accepted into this > > nuc? Did i miss something? What about removing the nurse bees before i > > instert the queen cage? How big of a hole should i make? How long > > should i wait too check? When do i get worried. BEfore i queen i'll make > > sure there are no queen cells. > > Thanks > > matthew in Moscow ID > Article 29538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pearmatt.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "bees" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: anatomy Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:51:43 +0100 Message-ID: <988811510.24095.0.nnrp-08.9e98e8c9@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pearmatt.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pearmatt.demon.co.uk:158.152.232.201 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 988811510 nnrp-08:24095 NO-IDENT pearmatt.demon.co.uk:158.152.232.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29538 For a project we are involved in we are seeking some information about the anatomy of worker honey bees, their size, shape etc. We are not so interested in internal anatomy. Has anyone studied the range of sizes of worker bees, size of head, thorax, body eyt. We intend to construct an accurate 3D model on computer and need either accurate scale top and side views or precise photographs. The anthropometric data for humans is well documented with sizes measured between joint centres. IS there anything similar available for bees. I cannot say very much about the project at present but it is very exciting and I will publish the 3D data of the bee for all to use when complete. Mike Pearson Pearson Matthews Design Ltd mike.pearson@pearsonmatthews.com Article 29539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pearmatt.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mikey P" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: anatomy Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <988811708.24191.0.nnrp-08.9e98e8c9@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pearmatt.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pearmatt.demon.co.uk:158.152.232.201 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 988811708 nnrp-08:24191 NO-IDENT pearmatt.demon.co.uk:158.152.232.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29539 For a project we are involved in we are seeking some information about the anatomy of worker honey bees, their size, shape etc. We are not so interested in internal anatomy. Has anyone studied the range of sizes of worker bees, size of head, thorax, body eyt. We intend to construct an accurate 3D model on computer and need either accurate scale top and side views or precise photographs. The anthropometric data for humans is well documented with sizes measured between joint centres. IS there anything similar available for bees. I cannot say very much about the project at present but it is very exciting and I will publish the 3D data of the bee for all to use when complete. Mike Pearson Pearson Matthews Design Ltd mike.pearson@pearsonmatthews.com Article 29540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Daniels" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First ever swarm call Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:07:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.140.179 X-Trace: news1.atl 988819663 66.20.140.179 (Wed, 02 May 2001 12:07:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:07:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29540 I am starting my third season as a beekeeper and took my first ever swarm call this morning. A fellow here in my community called me on the phone this morning to gather a swarm that had paused in a small oak tree in his front yard. He said that our local club's immediate past president had given him my name since I was located close by. When I spoke to him he said that a friend who keeps bees had tried to get the swarm out of his tree but had failed. I asked about the height off the ground (approx. 6 feet) and whether I could cut the branch (no, it was a little ornamental and he didn't want it butchered). I grabbed a lightweight cardboard box and cut a little flap for a door near the bottom. I loaded up the box, my bee gear, and a sheet and headed over to the fellow's subdivision a couple miles away. When I got there, I saw the swarm, about a half gallon in size on a little branch where I could just reach it. There was an opening in the branches large enough for me to get the box positioned underneath the swarm. I'm glad I took a lightweight box; there was no way I could have held up a wooden hive and no place to position any sort of stand for a hive. The homeowner and I chitchat for a few minutes. The swarm had arrived yesterday. I suited up, sent the homeowner into the house to watch from a window, and spread the sheet out underneath the work area. I was able to get the box balanced in my left hand and positioned just under the swarm. I grabbed the little limb and gave it a sharp shake. Just about every bee fell into the box. I set it down on the sheet and quickly folded the top flaps down. Through the gap in the lid a few bees came out and almost immediately began fanning. I was pretty sure the queen was safely in the box. I backed off and the owner came out to say how much more effective my operation was than the other fellow. I grinned. After most of the bees had settled down I sent the homeowner back inside and brushed the few remaining bees off the branch and into the air. Most of them eventually settled into the box. I opened the little door flap and began taping the top shut. Again, fanning in the door opening. I waited about five minutes for more bees to settle and made smalltalk with the homeowner who had reappeared. After he got bored and went inside I taped up the little opening, loaded up, and headed for home. Textbook! I'm actually a bit surprised at how well it went. I think the whole episode left the homeowner with a pretty good impression of beekeepers and honeybees. I had tried to explain some of their behaviors and physiology because he seemed genuinely interested. I wish I had a small jar of honey to have left with him to encourage him to buy local honey but I'm all out. Bill Article 29541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeening issues- HELP Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:07:56 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3AF030DC.1D6773A4@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 988819583 11713 129.101.81.64 (2 May 2001 16:06:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2001 16:06:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29541 Need some help here i am trying to make a nuc. I took three frames of brood and 1.5 frames of nectar/pollen/capped honey from a strong hive and bees along with it. I let the hive sit for two days w/o a queen. I then took the queen box, pulled out the cork and poked a 1/16" diamter hole through the sugar-plug and put the box with the sugar plug facing down between 2 frames in the middle of the frames at the top of the hive. I went back 4 days later and the queen and the few nurse bees were dead. Ii have another queen ariving tomorrow (hopefully!) and what am i supposed to do? How can i increases my chances of the queen being accepted into this nuc? Did i miss something? What about removing the nurse bees before i instert the queen cage? How big of a hole should i make? How long should i wait too check? When do i get worried. BEfore i queen i'll make sure there are no queen cells. Thanks matthew in Moscow ID Article 29542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First ever swarm call Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:50:29 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <5qg0ftsa1ikafsb0he133628omceus2em2@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29542 On Wed, 2 May 2001 11:07:42 -0500, "Bill Daniels" wrote: [...] Good stuff. I'm glad I read that. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The queen is gone... Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:05:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29543 Four weeks ago I re-queened my italian hive with a Russian queen. Everything look good until today. Last week I opened the hive and there were plenty of larva, and capped brood. Today, I opened it and didn't see any signs of a queen...no eggs..no larva...only some capped brood left. I did see 4 queen cells, not yet capped, and 1 capped queen cell..several drone cells also. I don't know if the Italians decided that they didn't like the Rusky woman and killed her or maybe I mashed her when I had the hive open last week....either way..she's like Elvis...The queen has left the building... The other hive that I was posting about... the bees crawling away from the hive..... No more crawlers and the hive looks healthy. Lots of eggs, larva, and brood. I can't figure that one out.. Article 29625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jim R. Hankins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cells Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:39:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29625 Hi After inspecting my hive yesterday, I was surprised to see these weird cells. I knew immediately that they were queen cells located toward the top of the form. There were two to be exact. The queen is a Buckfast and she's really been very productive. Seven of the ten frames have been drawn. I'm afraid of a swarm. I called the apiary where I purchased the bees to inquire as to what I should do. The lady said that I needed to smash the queen cells and all would be ok. She said that the prime reason that these cells had formed was that I was "killing them with kindness." Meaning I had been inspecting the hive on a weekly to bi-weekly basis and that the bees did not like this. I believe she said that the bees sense there is a problem with the Queen. I told her that I was feeding them a sugar/water syrup in a top feeder and that they were going through it pretty fast. She said just leave them alone and check it in a month. The thing that worries me is shouldn't I check to see if the Queen is still there first, before I smash them? Should I smash them with my finger? Should I cut them out with a knife? Do you think that the queen may be in bad condition and that is why the Queen cells are formed or is it truly because I visit the hive to often. If I am to stay away from the hive do you think I should stop feeding them which would indeed keep me away from the hive? I live in Texas and things are blooming up a storm! Your advice would be appreciated as I am off tomorrow and would love to take care of this. I have really enjoyed the bees and would be upset to loose them. Thanks in advance, Jim Article 29626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <20010506160455.02798.00000943@ng-mn1.aol.com> <3AF68181.983BFD38@together.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:07:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 989413667 198.161.229.188 (Wed, 09 May 2001 07:07:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 07:07:47 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29626 Yeah. I mentioned that caveat in my original post, but it got lost in the quoting, I guess. allen >I heard about this method, so I thought I would try it. When harvesting >honey in the fall, robbing gets pretty bad. Anyway, I and a first time >helper took all the covers off and began removing supers. Before too >long the robbing started. And then the stinging started. I tried >"wiping" the bees off him, but the situation got severely out of hand. >He ran for the truck, and I put the covers back on and beat a hasty >retreat for home (that was the end of that helper). Later I found out >why it didn't work for me. Someone had moved 50 colonies to 1/2 mile >from my yard. Let me tell you, I never tried that "trick" again. > >>> If a yard of bees gets robbing viciously, the solution is to take the >>> lid off *every* hive in the yard until they settle down and you can >>> do remedial measures. Article 29627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen Cells Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:06:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 989417004 209.245.213.70 (Wed, 09 May 2001 09:03:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:03:24 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29627 Jim, Make sure your queen is alive and healthy first! We know from experience this spring. One of or hives was virtually exploding with bees and upon examination we found 11 queen cells. We thought that meant they were about to swarm. Naturally, we wanted to prevent a swarm so we destroyed the queen cells. Bad move. Our queen was already gone as we found out a week later (no new eggs). Luckily, an experienced beekeeper from the Montgomery County Beekeeper's Association provided us with a new Buckfast queen for replacement. You could gently cut out some of those queen cells and stick them in a nuc or another hive and raise some more queens if you wanted to. Or, you could split your hive by removing some brood and honey/pollen frames and put them and your old queen in a new nuc or hive body. Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk Jim R. Hankins wrote in message news:tfhidmi8pij3f2@corp.supernews.com... > Hi > > After inspecting my hive yesterday, I was surprised to see these weird > cells. I knew immediately that they were queen cells located toward the top > of the form. There were two to be exact. > > The queen is a Buckfast and she's really been very productive. Seven of > the ten frames have been drawn. I'm afraid of a swarm. I called the apiary > where I purchased the bees to inquire as to what I should do. The lady said > that I needed to smash the queen cells and all would be ok. She said that > the prime reason that these cells had formed was that I was "killing them > with kindness." Meaning I had been inspecting the hive on a weekly to > bi-weekly basis and that the bees did not like this. I believe she said > that the bees sense there is a problem with the Queen. I told her that I > was feeding them a sugar/water syrup in a top feeder and that they were > going through it pretty fast. She said just leave them alone and check it > in a month. > > The thing that worries me is shouldn't I check to see if the Queen is still > there first, before I smash them? > > Should I smash them with my finger? Should I cut them out with a knife? > > Do you think that the queen may be in bad condition and that is why the > Queen cells are formed or is it truly because I visit the hive to often. If > I am to stay away from the hive do you think I should stop feeding them > which would indeed keep me away from the hive? I live in Texas and things > are blooming up a storm! > > Your advice would be appreciated as I am off tomorrow and would love to take > care of this. I have really enjoyed the bees and would be upset to loose > them. > > Thanks in advance, > Jim > > Article 29628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: York Bees Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:56:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 989416408 209.245.213.70 (Wed, 09 May 2001 08:53:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:53:28 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29628 Well... what was the deal? Please enlighten us. Robert BeeFarmer wrote in message news:9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > I just called GA. Agriculture. and found out the issue. No need to reply. > -- > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > news:9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup poster > > posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has received > > queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. > > > > -- > > BeeFarmer > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 29629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: Attila Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee venom... Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:00:55 -0400 Organization: Prodigy http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3AF95BA7.4BF60E6F@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a010-0684.nyc4.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com 989420333 4384369 64.198.66.176 (9 May 2001 14:58:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 2001 14:58:53 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29629 Anyone knows, or can help me to find a Lab, or a venom collection center, in or around New York state ? I live in East Islip, Long Island and I would like to collect (capture) wasp colonies, freez them and transport them to the Lab, I belive the venom could be usefull... Attila Article 29630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> From: "Dale A. Scheidler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Lures--New Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:50:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 989423337 147.226.103.50 (Wed, 09 May 2001 10:48:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:48:57 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29630 I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still present after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on and that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole in the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on this swarm lure situation? Thanks, Dale, Indiana Article 29631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: York Bees Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:13:18 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-4yt48dbe99WKa2WcBswVf76LkHRfNmv1+/q2SYTtyAPSeJWhketDh5bN2w9qHFBqEaEreB0NRaQ/JkE!f9IkC0Sp1lE0fqdYkxIMK1DT5jGZzLfB7ZorOj6y5wNdP3jeHrN1rrFNYdl/prAhazIxIrSmvXP9!eCnL5iPE X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:10:35 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29631 I just spoke with york bee co. They said they were running as usual. They are about a week behind on orders. The phone system will ring even if they are on the line and they said they are on the line most of the time. Thats why it just rings and rings. My package was to be shipped on 5/9 and is now shipping 5/15. I spoke with the same woman who took my order on 4/19 and she didn't know anything about a quarantine. Dave "Cudd" wrote in message news:sZbK6.68$oH.2278@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Well... what was the deal? Please enlighten us. > > Robert > > BeeFarmer wrote in message > news:9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > I just called GA. Agriculture. and found out the issue. No need to reply. > > -- > > BeeFarmer > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > > news:9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup > poster > > > posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has received > > > queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. > > > > > > -- > > > BeeFarmer > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 29632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9cchaq$sti$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ae9d8d0.152903258@news1.radix.net> <__xI6.208958$lj4.5999565@news6.giganews.com> <9d45b4$j8e$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6emJ6.3860$oa2.73833@news6.giganews.com> <9d7k55$14v$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Where Can I Purchase a Package This Late? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:16:53 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-yVry15O6r5JOV6Jud2MinMzVR7hP/opgEZLCXoSNXGaiurxq7eR2Hlz0VRErpDv9jh1GFFiBveeL8xi!taJhcdm2qlu3Lsp1JlB+GZkQV2vc2YuNuvFNGtCRSEpoNt5lKPHV0XBjes3lN43BQbbMIBAUiW5e!F5rZALyu X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:14:09 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29632 I posted to you yesterday but I cant see it on my listing? I called 1-912-427-7311 see my post under "york bee" for more info dave "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:9d7k55$14v$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article <6emJ6.3860$oa2.73833@news6.giganews.com>, dontEmail@me.com says... > > > > > >> > > >> I have dealt with York on and off for 33 years, but now they seem to > >> in communicado. There phone never answers night and day. The e-mail > >address > >> on their page www.yorkbee.com does not function. FAX messges are not > >answered. > >> What is your secret for contacting them? > >> > >I must have been lucky? I called around 2pm and they answered after 3 > >rings. I spoke with a women who took my order for 1 3# package. I got > >there # from bee culture. Its hard to believe they would buy a full page > >add and not answer the phone!! Good lucj. > >Dave > > That is most curious. What telephone number are you using? > > Article 29633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AF95EE2.1AB1CE93@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting a hive... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:14:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 989421418 216.224.203.136 (Wed, 09 May 2001 10:16:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:16:58 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29633 How do I split a hive to create a new hive? Thanks Taylor Article 29634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: York Bees Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:35:46 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 989408187 17750511 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29634 Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup poster posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has received queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 29635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: York Bees Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:03:13 -0400 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 989413432 18483466 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29635 I just called GA. Agriculture. and found out the issue. No need to reply. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup poster > posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has received > queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. > > -- > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > Article 29636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:31:55 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 989429487 209.248.4.168 (Wed, 09 May 2001 13:31:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:31:27 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29636 "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still present > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on and > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole in > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on this > swarm lure situation? Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your affairs in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from sniffing those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't you just eat the things and get it over with??? For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out for another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? I have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my pond catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In the immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. Apparently the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of my property where they spend their last days eking out a living. Course, that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure contamination. :) AL Article 29637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: York Bees Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:44:33 -0400 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <9dbvn7$h2cn8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 989430312 17904360 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29637 I don't think you got all the info. If you would like more info please email me directly. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "J&DC" wrote in message news:i8dK6.10390$oa2.252123@news6.giganews.com... > I just spoke with york bee co. > They said they were running as usual. They are about a week behind on > orders. The phone system will ring even if they are on the line and they > said they are on the line most of the time. Thats why it just rings and > rings. My package was to be shipped on 5/9 and is now shipping 5/15. I > spoke with the same woman who took my order on 4/19 and she didn't know > anything about a quarantine. > Dave > "Cudd" wrote in message > news:sZbK6.68$oH.2278@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > Well... what was the deal? Please enlighten us. > > > > Robert > > > > BeeFarmer wrote in message > > news:9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > I just called GA. Agriculture. and found out the issue. No need to > reply. > > > -- > > > BeeFarmer > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > > > news:9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > > Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup > > poster > > > > posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has received > > > > queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > BeeFarmer > > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 29638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AF8650E.1BBE6B03@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Subject: Re: York Bees Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:18:14 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.190 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 989374686 206.141.246.190 (Tue, 08 May 2001 21:18:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:18:06 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29638 The only solid info I have is that they accepted our order and charged our account. The bees are due tomorrow or Thursday. What information are you looking for? "John Edwards" wrote in message news:3AF8650E.1BBE6B03@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > Does anybody have solid info on what's going on with York Bee Co. ? > Article 29639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting a hive... Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:22:46 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AF9A716.F645D829@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3AF95EE2.1AB1CE93@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29639 Howdy Taylor -- You will get a lot of answers, all of which will work. But here is a simple one: 1. Divide the colony so that both parts are about equal in bees, brood, pollen, and honey. Be sure both parts contain eggs or newly hatched larvae. Don't waste time looking for the queen, because whichever part does not have a queen, can raise one. If you are going to give them a store bought queen, wait 4 days to examine closely and give the queen to the half with no eggs. Transport one half to a location a couple of miles away so the two parts will remain equal. 2. If you can not move one to a distant location, place it in another part of the yard and shake extra bees into it so the original split will contain more bees than at the home site, because the field bees will return home. Pete ********************************* > Article 29640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Lines: 46 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:46:08 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-QqwXO0vyM1Kdi1SOhvVygc9XZYrF75Y1ic9fQLdkz48jQva5mJExJ+Lml85cBUr6BYEF+oYAe1qcTT3!hM+i5zCFmEeOy911sGfwx1Dw6S0QmrU9uSmFs/6yt9j+gcuntkFbdpJ/w8fPq+KXJf9cN9luZA/v X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:21:14 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29640 I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless and naked!!!! -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "AL" wrote in message news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still present > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on and > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole in > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on this > > swarm lure situation? > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your affairs > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from sniffing > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't you > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out for > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? I > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my pond > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In the > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. Apparently > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of my > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. Course, > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > contamination. > > > > :) > > AL Article 29641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 May 2001 22:53:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: York Message-ID: <20010509185342.26438.00002866@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29641 York had some problems with mites and some problems with foulbrood in the midnite line. They are able to ship all but midnites now. This outfit has always been good to me and their stock has performed well for me. Article 29642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 May 2001 23:35:49 GMT References: <20010508225402.09090.00002198@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: York Bees Message-ID: <20010509193549.22376.00001643@ng-mr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29642 Dave We called our supplier up here and they gave me two 3# packages as replacements. Did not see any Drones in these packages, but quit a few dead on the bottom. I united the orig. two with two that were doing good, minus the queens. So I have four hives, two with 3#and2# packages and two with 3# packages. I'm a first year beekeeper and I have an old beekeeper helping me out (Pete) He had the same problem and when I seen York mentioned I was wondering. I'm trying for comb honey this year and any info is appreciated Thanks Dave Bill Article 29643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 62 Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:52:47 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 989451936 208.235.28.10 (Wed, 09 May 2001 19:45:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:45:36 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29643 Not to mention lacking bladder and bowel control. AL Me wrote: > > I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless and > naked!!!! > > -- > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > "AL" wrote in message > news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they > > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these > > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still present > > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like > > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on and > > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole in > > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on this > > > swarm lure situation? > > > > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your affairs > > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from sniffing > > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that > > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't you > > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out for > > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? I > > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my pond > > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In the > > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. Apparently > > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of my > > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. Course, > > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > > contamination. > > > > > > > > :) > > > > AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 29644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: stings Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:32:05 -0700 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-47.reachone.com Message-ID: <3af9e07a@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 9 May 2001 17:27:38 -0700, tc1-47.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-47.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29644 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:300 Peter Edwards wrote in message ... > >Me too. A bee sting hurts for perhaps 15 to 30 seconds and then is >forgotten, whereas a wasp sting gives discomfort for 2-3 days. Tain't the initial sting, it's the big red itchy area for the next 3-4 days. Inadvertantly I took someone's advice and accidently got stung twice more, so I guess I'm on my way to immunity. I went barehanded the first year but I'm gloved now (4th year). Tain't bad, but it isn't my favorite part of beekeeping...:-) ken Article 29645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sharp7@mailops.com (Jim Sharp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First ever swarm call Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 18:32:32 GMT Reply-To: sharp7@mailops.com Message-ID: <3af44670.24107828@news.mailops.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.157.112.183 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.157.112.183 X-Trace: excalibur.gbmtech.net 989087372 64.157.112.183 (5 May 2001 14:29:32 EST) Organization: GBM Technologies Ltd Lines: 25 X-Authenticated-User: sharp7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-feeds.jump.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!arb.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!excalibur.gbmtech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29645 I just got my first swarm too and it went about the same as yours, really easy. I shook them into a NUC and then came back at night and collected them. I had a whole neighborhood watching as I did it. The best part was when one of the neighbors asked about the process and I confessed that this was my first one! Needless to say I was given plenty of room! Jim On Wed, 2 May 2001 11:07:42 -0500, "Bill Daniels" wrote: >I am starting my third season as a beekeeper and took my first ever swarm >call this morning. > >A fellow here in my community called me on the phone this morning to gather >a swarm that had paused in a small oak tree in his front yard. He said that >our local club's immediate past president had given him my name since I was >located close by. Article 29646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: York Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:20:21 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3AF9DEC4.D3BC2B6@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <20010509185342.26438.00002866@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29646 Thanks for the info - I'd hate to see them go under. - John Edwards, Tucson BeeCrofter wrote: > York had some problems with mites and some problems with foulbrood in the > midnite line. > They are able to ship all but midnites now. > This outfit has always been good to me and their stock has performed well for > me. Article 29647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:35:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 989465726 65.13.109.136 (Wed, 09 May 2001 20:35:26 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:35:26 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29647 I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my avocado grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this year and one I started last year. See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? Is this a small swarm at rest? Thanks for help with my rookie question. Dave Article 29648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms and Smoke Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:29:09 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9dd4b6$uh0$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3AF3E346.FD70BF14@crosslink.net><20010505154238.09776.00001353@ng-mn1.aol.com><9d52fs$qsl$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net> <9d7q3b$3tj$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.bc X-Server-Date: 10 May 2001 04:10:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29648 Update. Checked the hive this evening. It is full of bees again. I presume a swarm found the hive and they liked the look of it and took up residence. David David wrote in message news:9d7q3b$3tj$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > Had to go out of town that evening, I did not want to move them in the > middle of the day. They seemed to be setteling down O.K. so I thought I > could move them next evening just before dark. By then they had gone. > I only had foundation for the brood chamber but I did have some frames that > had just been extracted. I put on a super with those frames in it hoping > that may help. > Article 29649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Serving Small Business, Inc" References: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: York Bees Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:37:02 -0400 Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust138.tnt1.manassas.va.da.uu.net 63.23.113.138 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29649 The quarantine on York Bee Company has been lifted with the exception of shipments containing Mid-Nite queens. The quarantine was imposed after Georgia apiary inspectors discovered proper mite treatment was not being used by York Bee. The problems were isolated to yards containing Mid-Nite bees. The quarantine was amended after York Bee agreed not to ship bees from these yards. Shipment of Italian and other strains by York Bee has resumed. Shipment of Mid-Nite queens/packages is still prohibited. Sincerely, Keith Tignor State Apiarist/Endangered Species Coordinator Office of Plant and Pest Services Va. Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services "J&DC" wrote in message news:i8dK6.10390$oa2.252123@news6.giganews.com... > I just spoke with york bee co. > They said they were running as usual. They are about a week behind on > orders. The phone system will ring even if they are on the line and they > said they are on the line most of the time. Thats why it just rings and > rings. My package was to be shipped on 5/9 and is now shipping 5/15. I > spoke with the same woman who took my order on 4/19 and she didn't know > anything about a quarantine. > Dave > "Cudd" wrote in message > news:sZbK6.68$oH.2278@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > Well... what was the deal? Please enlighten us. > > > > Robert > > > > BeeFarmer wrote in message > > news:9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > I just called GA. Agriculture. and found out the issue. No need to > reply. > > > -- > > > BeeFarmer > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > > > news:9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > > Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup > > poster > > > > posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has received > > > > queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > BeeFarmer > > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 29650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:07:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29650 I don't see a queen. Looks to me like they found something sweet on the leaf and there is just a bunch of them trying to get to it. "Dave" wrote in message news:20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small > clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my avocado > grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this year > and one I started last year. > > See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg > > As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? > Is this a small swarm at rest? > > Thanks for help with my rookie question. > > Dave > > > Article 29651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:32:54 -0500 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3AFAB4A6.8602E9D5@erols.com> Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZgb1Yqj1YvVWOWdaoF7QrrBiX5dU9dzSw3xPWTQG/ZizzKa7T8ahqW X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2001 14:34:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29651 whats the normal time for a nuc to be est , left my hive 3 wks ago and havent heard yet, new to beekeeping so I am not sue Article 29652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 34 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <7wyK6.14679$4f7.1162031@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:32:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 989508739 12.73.41.129 (Thu, 10 May 2001 15:32:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:32:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29652 Could be the stragglers from a larger swarm that were out scouting when the others left. Nice resolution and contrast on the pic. What kind of camera did you use? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Dave" wrote in message news:20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small > clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my avocado > grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this year > and one I started last year. > > See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg > > As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? > Is this a small swarm at rest? > > Thanks for help with my rookie question. > > Dave > > > Article 29653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter & Colette" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do I find hive??? Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:57:53 +0200 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: vic-dial-196-30-238-191.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3afad64f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 10 May 2001 19:56:31 +0200, vic-dial-196-30-238-191.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!vic-dial-196-30-238-191.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29653 There are lots of bees (not swarming, I've seen that - just very noisy pollinating) in some bushes outside my kitchen and I would very much like to know where those particular bees come from. Is there any way that I can track them back to their hive? This is certainly a fascinating site. I got stung on the neck, below my chin last night, and I now look like Marlon Brando. I'm certainly not going to terminate them. I live in the country, 'bout 40km outside of Johannesburg,SA, and I've always played with the idea of keeping bees. I would love to find the swarm to see if they could easily be coaxed into a proper hive. thanx Peter Butler Article 29654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 or 2 brood chambers?? Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:54:24 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9dekug$1fo$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <7crJ6.21948$4I5.2904004@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-10-79.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 989517584 1528 209.23.10.79 (10 May 2001 17:59:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2001 17:59:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29654 I use three brood chambers. Cuts starvation down to very low levels exceptional queens have lots o' room. Also depends on race of bee. There not all exactly the same you know! Clay Article 29655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter & Colette" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NUC?? /from non-beekeeper Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:04:12 +0200 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: vic-dial-196-30-238-191.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3afad7ca.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 10 May 2001 20:02:50 +0200, vic-dial-196-30-238-191.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.113.65.250!korova.insync.net!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!vic-dial-196-30-238-191.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29655 OK, what's a nuc? thanks Peter Butler Vlakfontein Article 29656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3afad7ca.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: NUC?? /from non-beekeeper Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <58CK6.11593$mB4.48578@news2-hme0> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:39:42 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.127.126 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 989523585 212.137.127.126 (Thu, 10 May 2001 20:39:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:39:45 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29656 Nucleus. A small colony, typically perhaps on 4-5 frames - but can be very small with just a cupful of bees.. Sometimes term is used to refer to the colony and the small hive (nuc box) in which it is housed. Nucs are used a great deal for mating new queens. "Peter & Colette" wrote in message news:3afad7ca.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > OK, what's a nuc? > > thanks > Peter Butler > Vlakfontein > > Article 29657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NUC?? /from non-beekeeper Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:16:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AFAF708.8962A9F9@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3afad7ca.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29657 Howdy P & C -- "Nuc" is just short for Nucleus = the start or beginning of a larger thing to come. Pete ****************** Peter & Colette wrote: > OK, what's a nuc? > > thanks > Peter Butler > Vlakfontein Article 29658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I find hive??? Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:22:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AFAF867.81151CE2@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3afad64f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29658 Howdy P&C -- "Coursing" is the term used to determine where the home of the field bees is. You might try sprinkling flour on a few of the bees and watch to see which direction they go. Then go that direction about a quarter of a mile and put out a little honey on a board or stump. If bees come to this, sprinkle flour on them and repeat the process until the bees fly back toward where you started. This will pinpoint the approximate location of the home colony. This works better when there is no honey flow; then the bees will be looking for any source of food. During a good honey flow, they prefer nature's flowers. Pete **************** Peter & Colette wrote: > There are lots of bees (not swarming, I've seen that - just very noisy > pollinating) in some bushes outside my kitchen and I would very much like to > know where those particular bees come from. Is there any way that I can > track them back to their hive? > > This is certainly a fascinating site. I got stung on the neck, below my chin > last night, and I now look like Marlon Brando. I'm certainly not going to > terminate them. I live in the country, 'bout 40km outside of > Johannesburg,SA, and I've always played with the idea of keeping bees. I > would love to find the swarm to see if they could easily be coaxed into a > proper hive. > > thanx > Peter Butler Article 29659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:24:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29659 where are you located (any ahb?)...is that varroa on the upper abdomen of the lowest-left bee in the picture? Article 29660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ChalkBrood Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:09:01 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F860E31B57EAB20BBB617E24" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29660 --------------F860E31B57EAB20BBB617E24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All -- After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with Chalk Brood. I have searched the literature and find no treatment listed. Hygienic bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an immediate help. Have any of you folks had experience with this problem? Pete --------------F860E31B57EAB20BBB617E24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy All --

  After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with Chalk Brood.  I have searched the literature and find no treatment listed. Hygienic bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an immediate help. Have any of you folks had experience with this problem?

    Pete --------------F860E31B57EAB20BBB617E24-- Article 29661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <7wyK6.14679$4f7.1162031@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <9uFK6.7338$vf6.662417@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:28:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 989537285 65.13.109.136 (Thu, 10 May 2001 16:28:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:28:05 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29661 Nikon 880. I then used software to zoom in and crop it to a smaller size. Thanks for the input. Dave "George Styer" wrote in message news:7wyK6.14679$4f7.1162031@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Could be the stragglers from a larger swarm that were out scouting when the > others left. Nice resolution and contrast on the pic. What kind of camera > did you use? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > > I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small > > clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my > avocado > > grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this > year > > and one I started last year. > > > > See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg > > > > As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? > > Is this a small swarm at rest? > > > > Thanks for help with my rookie question. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > Article 29662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:29:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 989537398 65.13.109.136 (Thu, 10 May 2001 16:29:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:29:58 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29662 I'm not sure about ahb or varroa. I doubt ahb as the hives are very, very tame and easy to work with. I live in Poway, CA a suburb or San Diego. Dave "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:tfm5a02k2nh4de@corp.supernews.com... > where are you located (any ahb?)...is that varroa on the upper abdomen of > the lowest-left bee in the picture? > > > Article 29663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas.net> Subject: Re: ChalkBrood Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:18:06 -0700 Lines: 69 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0D98E.531BFB20" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-45.reachone.com Message-ID: <3afb58f8@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 10 May 2001 20:14:00 -0700, tc1-45.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!spacestar!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-45.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29663 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0D98E.531BFB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've no experience whatsoever, but can quote from Diana Sammataro: The spores of the fungus are resistant to degradation and can be = viable for 15 years. You can try the following: move hives to a sunny location, remove infected combs and burn them, add = bees to strenthen the weakened, diseased colony, requeen with hygenic = stock, feed syrup and protein supplements to keep the colony strong and = healthy. H. Rogers wrote in message <3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas.net>... Howdy All --=20 After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with Chalk Brood. = I have searched the literature and find no treatment listed. Hygienic = bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an immediate = help. Have any of you folks had experience with this problem?=20 Pete=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0D98E.531BFB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've no experience whatsoever, but can quote from = Diana=20 Sammataro:
     The spores of the fungus = are=20 resistant to degradation and can be viable for 15 years.  You can = try the=20 following:
move hives to a sunny location, remove infected = combs and burn=20 them, add bees to strenthen the weakened, diseased colony, requeen with = hygenic=20 stock, feed syrup and protein supplements to keep the colony strong and=20 healthy.
H. Rogers wrote in message <3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas= .net>...
Howdy=20 All --=20

  After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with = Chalk=20 Brood.  I have searched the literature and find no treatment = listed.=20 Hygienic bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an=20 immediate help. Have any of you folks had experience with this=20 problem?=20

    Pete

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0D98E.531BFB20-- Article 29664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:41:13 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AFB5148.CCDB1CB7@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29664 Howdy Dave -- Are those white objects just above the little bunch of bees new wax. Looks like it might be. If so, these were a few who did not leave with a swarm which had been clustered just above them. Pete ************* Dave wrote: > I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small > clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my avocado > grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this year > and one I started last year. > > See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg > > As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? > Is this a small swarm at rest? > > Thanks for help with my rookie question. > > Dave Article 29665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: How do I find hive??? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AFB676C.E0D20704@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3afad64f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <3AFAF867.81151CE2@arkansas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:15:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 46 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29665 What is the purpose of the flour? Does it make the bees easier to see? The problem I have when trying to line them is I lose sight of them before they get more than 30 or so yards away. "H. Rogers" wrote: > > Howdy P&C -- > > "Coursing" is the term used to determine where the home of the field bees > is. You might try sprinkling flour on a few of the bees and watch to see which > direction they go. Then go that direction about a quarter of a mile and put out > a little honey on a board or stump. If bees come to this, sprinkle flour on > them and repeat the process until the bees fly back toward where you started. > This will pinpoint > the approximate location of the home colony. > > This works better when there is no honey flow; then the bees will be looking > for any source of food. During a good honey flow, they prefer nature's flowers. > > Pete > **************** > > Peter & Colette wrote: > > > There are lots of bees (not swarming, I've seen that - just very noisy > > pollinating) in some bushes outside my kitchen and I would very much like to > > know where those particular bees come from. Is there any way that I can > > track them back to their hive? > > > > This is certainly a fascinating site. I got stung on the neck, below my chin > > last night, and I now look like Marlon Brando. I'm certainly not going to > > terminate them. I live in the country, 'bout 40km outside of > > Johannesburg,SA, and I've always played with the idea of keeping bees. I > > would love to find the swarm to see if they could easily be coaxed into a > > proper hive. > > > > thanx > > Peter Butler -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NUC?? /from non-beekeeper Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:33:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3afbcd5a.70164519@news1.radix.net> References: <3afad7ca.0@news1.mweb.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29666 On Thu, 10 May 2001 20:04:12 +0200, "Peter & Colette" wrote: >OK, what's a nuc? > >thanks >Peter Butler >Vlakfontein > > According to the last USDA pollenation contract that I saw it is a nuclear beehive! I guess it glows in the dark. NUCS are small hives of 4 to 5 frames complete with a laying queen. They are used to start new hives as an alternative to package bees. beekeep Article 29667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I find hive??? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:24:52 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9dglnr$i7j9d$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3afad64f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 989583932 19123501 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29667 Catch several of them.. sprinkle with flower release them one as you run like hell to chase them to see where it is going... this is where the flower comes in so you can see them.. then when you either have a heart attack trying to catch it or no longer see it release another... then follow it.. eventually you will find their home.... well.. hope they don't come from different sources or you will get dizzy. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Peter & Colette" wrote in message news:3afad64f.0@news1.mweb.co.za... > There are lots of bees (not swarming, I've seen that - just very noisy > pollinating) in some bushes outside my kitchen and I would very much like to > know where those particular bees come from. Is there any way that I can > track them back to their hive? > > This is certainly a fascinating site. I got stung on the neck, below my chin > last night, and I now look like Marlon Brando. I'm certainly not going to > terminate them. I live in the country, 'bout 40km outside of > Johannesburg,SA, and I've always played with the idea of keeping bees. I > would love to find the swarm to see if they could easily be coaxed into a > proper hive. > > thanx > Peter Butler > > Article 29668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting a hive... From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3AF95EE2.1AB1CE93@yahoo.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 4 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:54:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.177 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 989585698 198.161.229.177 (Fri, 11 May 2001 06:54:58 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:54:58 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29668 I wrote quite a lot about splitting a few years back and it is under "Spring Management" at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > How do I split a hive to create a new hive? Article 29669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9dbvn7$h2cn8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: York Bees Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:04:29 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-rKlN9uplXRIxUUMkNHx2/kb9K4v6QM2v52I0/u6yNiBrY0/RPjF5VbQer3TylacNgUQS0R41G19PLml!X9xFTR7WwJZH1+KVp0tXTSbNwbEmA1x84qJG32Pbdg+LMzRg4eB3GnvWZ0QSHg2r1pa/PEeDpzuo!EGzlOyFY X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:49:10 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29669 She just called me back, The quarantine was for failing to have strips for hive beatles in one of there apiaries. She told me the name of the chemical but I don't remember it. She said that the strips were removed by an employee and the quarantine was for 24 hrs. They are still shipping as I stated before and are taking orders for Italian and starlines for shipping at the end of this month. This is only what they told me on the phone I can't confirm any of it but my package will be here on or around the 15th. Dave "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9dbvn7$h2cn8$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > I don't think you got all the info. If you would like more info please > email me directly. > > -- > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "J&DC" wrote in message > news:i8dK6.10390$oa2.252123@news6.giganews.com... > > I just spoke with york bee co. > > They said they were running as usual. They are about a week behind on > > orders. The phone system will ring even if they are on the line and they > > said they are on the line most of the time. Thats why it just rings and > > rings. My package was to be shipped on 5/9 and is now shipping 5/15. I > > spoke with the same woman who took my order on 4/19 and she didn't know > > anything about a quarantine. > > Dave > > "Cudd" wrote in message > > news:sZbK6.68$oH.2278@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > > Well... what was the deal? Please enlighten us. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > BeeFarmer wrote in message > > > news:9dbf7l$hk28a$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > > I just called GA. Agriculture. and found out the issue. No need to > > reply. > > > > -- > > > > BeeFarmer > > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > > > > news:9dba3r$gtmff$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > > > Could someone expand on the issue with York Bees where a Newsgroup > > > poster > > > > > posted that the bees have been quarantined and anyone who has > received > > > > > queens needs to call the GA. Bee Inspector. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > BeeFarmer > > > > > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > > > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 29670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Molds to make Foundation. Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:34:49 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3afd57e8.705414656@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.1f.b7 X-Server-Date: 11 May 2001 15:41:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29670 Who sells molds to make your own foundation? Article 29671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 May 2001 18:54:02 GMT References: <3afd57e8.705414656@news.mindspring.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Molds to make Foundation. Message-ID: <20010511145402.02670.00000564@nso-ft.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29671 In article <3afd57e8.705414656@news.mindspring.com>, jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) writes: > >Who sells molds to make your own foundation? > > http://www.swienty.com/engelsk/foundations.html Bob Pursley Article 29672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 May 2001 21:44:12 GMT References: <20010506083203.15905.00001970@ng-mb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: No Drones Message-ID: <20010511174412.12825.00002999@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29672 Well, I'm still wait one the answer, What should I tell that old fellow reason why he don't have drones? Thanks, Article 29673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AFC955D.DD51DAB8@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Drones References: <20010506083203.15905.00001970@ng-mb1.aol.com> <20010511174412.12825.00002999@ng-cs1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:43:57 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 989624098 208.235.28.10 (Fri, 11 May 2001 19:34:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:34:58 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29673 Blue Taz37 wrote: > > Well, I'm still wait one the answer, What should I tell that old fellow reason > why he don't have drones? Luck? Don't knock it. I have a hive that is 50% drone brood. Either the queen has played out or she has died and the workers are laying. Either way, an abundance of drones is not a good thing. I'll be happy to trade hives with your friend. AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 29674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ChalkBrood Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:24:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.28.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 989627073 12.81.28.59 (Sat, 12 May 2001 00:24:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:24:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29674 My bees tell me "H. Rogers" wrote: >Howdy All -- > > After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with Chalk Brood. >I have searched the literature and find no treatment listed. Hygienic >bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an immediate >help. Have any of you folks had experience with this problem? > > Pete I have had success with removing the bottom board with the hive on a stand about 18 inches off the ground. In about 2 weeks the mummies have fallen to the ground, and the bees seem to recover and eliminate the infection. Probably due to not having the mummies accumulate on the bottom board. Good luck. Article 29675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <3AFB5148.CCDB1CB7@arkansas.net> Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:35:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 989627746 65.13.109.136 (Fri, 11 May 2001 17:35:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:35:46 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29675 They are still there? I will look for the queen and hive them tomorrow if they are still there. I can pull some brood from another hive. Dave "H. Rogers" wrote in message news:3AFB5148.CCDB1CB7@arkansas.net... > Howdy Dave -- > > Are those white objects just above the little bunch of bees new wax. Looks > like it might be. If so, these were a few who did not leave with a swarm which > had been clustered just above them. > > Pete > ************* > > Dave wrote: > > > I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small > > clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my avocado > > grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this year > > and one I started last year. > > > > See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg > > > > As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? > > Is this a small swarm at rest? > > > > Thanks for help with my rookie question. > > > > Dave > Article 29676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:05:52 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-5-108.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 989683879 24180 209.23.5.108 (12 May 2001 16:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2001 16:11:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29676 Hi all, Any of you use foundation mills from Tom Industries? How are they? Do they have web site, ect? Thanks. Clay Article 29677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Molds to make Foundation. Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:16:29 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3afeb33b.794343264@news.mindspring.com> References: <3afd57e8.705414656@news.mindspring.com> <20010511145402.02670.00000564@nso-ft.aol.com> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.95.72 X-Server-Date: 12 May 2001 16:23:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29677 Thanks , but are there any places in the US? bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) wrote: >In article <3afd57e8.705414656@news.mindspring.com>, jponder@mindspring.com >(Atlanta) writes: > >> >>Who sells molds to make your own foundation? >> >> > >http://www.swienty.com/engelsk/foundations.html >Bob Pursley Article 29678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any US companies sell molds for making foundation? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:51:56 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3afebb7f.796459716@news.mindspring.com> References: <3afeb999.795972867@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.95.72 X-Server-Date: 12 May 2001 16:59:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29678 Wow i didnt type any body to that post but the title says it all! jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) wrote: > Article 29679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:13:45 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYhonQKtJjvdG7pfeZIsHf1smBjRoY0LGUL9yudY3ZHOLPb5c2MS02c X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2001 17:15:11 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29679 > Any of you use foundation mills from Tom Industries? How are they? Do they > have web site, ect? Thanks. http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/tomind.htm Article 29680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:07:32 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-19.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 989691162 28767 209.23.8.19 (12 May 2001 18:12:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2001 18:12:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29680 Thanks Barry, Haven't heard from you much on bio bee list. Thinking about getting a mill. Press plates are OK. Mill would be even nicer. Clay Article 29681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Molds to make Foundation. Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:09:31 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9djuih$s37$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3afd57e8.705414656@news.mindspring.com> <20010511145402.02670.00000564@nso-ft.aol.com> <3afeb33b.794343264@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-19.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 989691281 28775 209.23.8.19 (12 May 2001 18:14:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2001 18:14:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29681 Yes, Tom Industries sells them. See current post with that title. Clay Article 29682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:19:11 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com> References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.95.72 X-Server-Date: 12 May 2001 18:26:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29682 Thanks, WOW 895$ I thought maybe like a flat mold that has a top, something less tha 100$ heck less than 50$ do you know of anything like that? "huestis" wrote: > Thanks Barry, > >Haven't heard from you much on bio bee list. Thinking about getting a mill. >Press plates are OK. Mill would be even nicer. > >Clay > > Article 29683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:59:08 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net><3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYH+l9c1miwSvbMc9qbF+Pei22yhv5aKLxSvrMfoq17+kSb62BHgrYN X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 2001 20:00:32 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29683 > Thanks, > WOW 895$ I thought maybe like a flat mold that has a top, something > less tha 100$ heck less than 50$ do you know of anything like that? Hi - Here are a series of photos that will take you through the steps for making your own fiberglass press plates. I have a set but am still looking for a used clothes wringer. http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/foundation/index.htm Regards, Barry Clay hasn't heard from me lately .... just been too busy with family, bees, web site, work, etc. Article 29684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nnrp1.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: kbtfdx@you.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Meet others in you area tonight!! Free AD placement! Lines: 5 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:37:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.191.58.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp1.sbc.net 989703461 208.191.58.34 (Sat, 12 May 2001 16:37:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:37:41 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29684 Check out the nets #1 online dating service with over 8,000,000 users world wide. Come join the fun place you FREE personal AD today. http://www.altmatch.com/index.htm?AssociateID=112049&MID=3102 vtrfmzvnmqftzmoimqnjeqrpfilxtmqnoirbnlwgrvcnnpkiheivtmdhgcjtrlqddpvpndkuofubybmtwmwjozwhmqedhpf Article 29685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas.net> Subject: Re: ChalkBrood Lines: 122 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0DB38.4177DDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:07:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.127.190 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 989705260 212.137.127.190 (Sat, 12 May 2001 23:07:40 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:07:40 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29685 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0DB38.4177DDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the UK, chalkbrood spores can be found in virtually every hive. They = are virtually impossible to eliminate as they stick to bees - so if you = sterilise the combs, the next time bees use them there will be spores on = the combs. However, not all colonies show symptoms of chalk brood and it is likely = that requeening is the best treatment if the chalkbrood is very bad. I have found that treating varroa with thymol (which is a powerful = fungicide) has virtually eliminated chalkbrood from my colonies. Incidentally, when you see chalkbrood in the unsealed cells in a colony, = it is likely that you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg - if you = look at the cappings, you will probably notice that some are lighter = than the others and if you uncap these you will find mummies in them. = This loss of brood early in the season can set a colony back very badly. Chalkbrood is usually worst in the spring, particularly when the weather = is poor, and is thought to be triggered by a slight chilling of the = brood - many fungi are inhibited at normal brood nest temperatures, but = thrive at a slightly lower one. Early inspections in poor weather are = therefore not recommended. For those who are having difficulty distinguishing chalk brood from = mouldy pollen, with chalk brood the head of the larva is unaffected and = appears as a small yellow dot in the centre as you look into the cell. = (I must get a picture of this one day!) "H. Rogers" wrote in message = news:3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkansas.net... Howdy All --=20 After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with Chalk Brood. = I have searched the literature and find no treatment listed. Hygienic = bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an immediate = help. Have any of you folks had experience with this problem?=20 Pete=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0DB38.4177DDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the UK, chalkbrood spores can be found in virtually every = hive. =20 They are virtually impossible to eliminate as they stick to bees - so if = you=20 sterilise the combs, the next time bees use them there will be spores on = the=20 combs.
 
However, not all colonies show symptoms of chalk brood and it is = likely=20 that requeening is the best treatment if the chalkbrood is very = bad.
 
I have found that treating varroa with thymol (which is a powerful=20 fungicide) has virtually eliminated chalkbrood from my colonies.
 
Incidentally, when you see chalkbrood in the unsealed cells in a = colony, it=20 is likely that you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg - if you look = at the=20 cappings, you will probably notice that some are lighter than the others = and if=20 you uncap these you will find mummies in them.  This loss of brood = early in=20 the season can set a colony back very badly.
 
Chalkbrood is usually worst in the spring, particularly when the = weather is=20 poor, and is thought to be triggered by a slight chilling of the brood - = many=20 fungi are inhibited at normal brood nest temperatures, but thrive at a = slightly=20 lower one.  Early inspections in poor weather are therefore not=20 recommended.
 
For those who are having difficulty distinguishing chalk brood from = mouldy=20 pollen, with chalk brood the head of the larva is unaffected and appears = as a=20 small yellow dot in the centre as you look into the cell.  (I = must get=20 a picture of this one day!)
"H. Rogers" <hrogers@arkansas.net> = wrote in=20 message news:3AFB117D.DAD4870A@arkan= sas.net...
Howdy=20 All --=20

  After all these years, I have a couple of colonies with = Chalk=20 Brood.  I have searched the literature and find no treatment = listed.=20 Hygienic bees is recommended, but that's a long term endeavor, not an=20 immediate help. Have any of you folks had experience with this=20 problem?=20

    Pete

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0DB38.4177DDC0-- Article 29686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Sharon Spear" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Surprised by a queen cell Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <9CjL6.14711$i56.2319691@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:23:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.25.22.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 989709829 24.25.22.87 (Sat, 12 May 2001 19:23:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:23:49 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29686 I have to admit being a serious lurker on this group, I've learned a lot. But now I am moved by events to ask for suggestions as to my best course of action after discovering a queen cell in the smaller of my 2 hives today. I live in North Carolina and am just a hobby beekeeper. Honey production is not my priority, keeping bees over-winter is. This is because my enjoyment comes from just observing the critters and the fun I have with my children extracting the small amount of honey I get each year. I have one very strong colony, drawing comb and storing honey like mad. My second colony came into the honey flow weak but healthy. I was just hoping to build this up to good strength for the winter, but low and behold, they have decided to swarm! I realize that this is probably because I need to give them more room for their stores - but have run out of supers with my other hive and am madly building more (with new foundation). I fear that this is now too late anyway. My inclination is to use this opportunity to split this colony, as it is relatively early in the year, in the hope of getting three hives going into the winter. I am thinking about taking the queen and a few frames of brood into a nuc - perhaps stealing a few frames from my stronger hive to supplement. My questions are .... If I do this, is the queen likely to swarm anyway? Is it ok to place the nuc near the other hives? Should I keep them confined for some time? And finally, is the middle of the honey flow a good or bad time to split a colony? Thanks for any advice, Peter Article 29687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Peck White" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in wall Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:52:41 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29687 Hi, I live in Roswell, Georgia. A hive of honeybees have taken up residence in the wall of my home about 3 stories above the ground (in a knothole that was hollowed out by some flying squirrels). They were there last year and I thought the dwindled and died out, but they are back again this year and going strong. I had thought of placing a bee excluder over the knothole and setting an empty hive on a porch that is nearby, possibly with a feeder to attract them to the new hive. Would this work? Also, could anyone point me toward a beekeeper in the Atlanta area that could help me get them out? Thanks in advance, Peck Article 29688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:58:33 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9dl15e$ii3$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-9-67.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 989726702 19011 209.23.9.67 (13 May 2001 04:05:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2001 04:05:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29688 Sorry, thought you were looking for a mill. I guess you did say mould. You can built the press plates that Barry has posted. They aren't to expensive to make but the wringer you need to use them isn't cheap. Unless you can get a used one. Get the book KEEPING BEES by John Vivian. He explains how to build a waffle iron type press mould. Cost of that mould is less than $30(maybe even less if you have some of the items at home). But it probably won't produce as nice of foundation as the press plates. Its your call. Clay Article 29689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:01:37 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com><9dl15e$ii3$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZBetk40cYjuFu5W3VL8DwaN28gWYice59y3bk0+pxu1WtHi9wOAKX6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2001 13:03:00 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29689 > Get the book KEEPING BEES by John Vivian. He explains how > to build a waffle iron type press mould. Cost of that mould is less than > $30(maybe even less if you have some of the items at home). But it probably > won't produce as nice of foundation as the press plates. Its your call. Hi Clay - I have KEEPING BEES and also made his book style press mould. Finally threw it away. Way too messy and I never could get consistent sheets. I know of others that have made the same kind of press with the same results. Having now seen various ways of making ones own foundation, by far the best way is to first use a dipping board to get the thin sheets of wax and then use plates or roller mill to make the imprint. The extra time and cost is well worth it. Regards, Barry Birkey Article 29690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:43:40 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9dm3cb$ohc$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com><9dl15e$ii3$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-202.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 989761739 25132 209.23.8.202 (13 May 2001 13:48:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2001 13:48:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29690 Hi Barry, I have press plates and wringer. Just don't have a dipping tank yet. Have any ideas what I could use for one? Only have about 30#'s of wax at the moment and the dipping tank must be economical in the amount of wax it holds yet large enough for the boards. As soon as I have the tank I'll be pumping out the foundation for the 49er's. >Keep in mind that this was a first year episode and I don't expect it to be >repeated this winter as I am getting a jump on resizing the 2 remaining >hives because I have 4.9 comb to work with now. I have another experiment >going on this year too and I will report the outcome next spring. reply: What's the experiment Barry? If you want to tell! Clay Barry Birkey wrote in message news:B723EFE1.2978%barry@birkey.com... > > > Get the book KEEPING BEES by John Vivian. He explains how > > to build a waffle iron type press mould. Cost of that mould is less than > > $30(maybe even less if you have some of the items at home). But it probably > > won't produce as nice of foundation as the press plates. Its your call. > > Hi Clay - > > I have KEEPING BEES and also made his book style press mould. Finally threw > it away. Way too messy and I never could get consistent sheets. I know of > others that have made the same kind of press with the same results. Having > now seen various ways of making ones own foundation, by far the best way is > to first use a dipping board to get the thin sheets of wax and then use > plates or roller mill to make the imprint. The extra time and cost is well > worth it. > > > Regards, Barry Birkey > Article 29692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Astroman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting hives Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:03:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 989769839 24.66.69.64 (Sun, 13 May 2001 09:03:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:03:59 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29692 I'm planning on splitting my hives some time next week. If it isn't possible to move the splits out of the yard, what should I do? If I absolutly do need to move them, how far is a good distance? is a mile enough? Article 29693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:56:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 989772961 65.13.109.136 (Sun, 13 May 2001 09:56:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:56:01 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29693 In one of my new hives this year there was dead bee larvae on the landing pad this morning. Also, a sand like substance. See picture: http://www.kernweb.com/bees1.jpg Any ideas what is going on? Maybe a supercedure and this is the queen larvae from the failed ones? Seems whenever I get new packages they supercede. Upon last look in the hive, about a week ago, this hive looked strong. I did see some queen cells in the middle of the frames through. Lots of brood and good activity. This morning the weather is rainy, but still had some entrance activity so I don't think it is "hive threatening." Thanks for the help. Dave Article 29694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:58:56 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3b000e3f.883192841@news.mindspring.com> References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com><9dl15e$ii3$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4e.e6 X-Server-Date: 13 May 2001 17:06:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29694 Okay thanks I thought the drawback for molds was just time. I dont want to make something I cant use regarless of time. I thought if I could make 5 sheets of foundation a day it would be nice and remove that expense but It sounds like the molds are not the way to go John Ponder >Hi Clay - > >I have KEEPING BEES and also made his book style press mould. Finally threw >it away. Way too messy and I never could get consistent sheets. I know of >others that have made the same kind of press with the same results. Having >now seen various ways of making ones own foundation, by far the best way is >to first use a dipping board to get the thin sheets of wax and then use >plates or roller mill to make the imprint. The extra time and cost is well >worth it. > > >Regards, Barry Birkey > Article 29695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 41 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:34:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 989775273 12.73.41.150 (Sun, 13 May 2001 17:34:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:34:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29695 Those in the pic are drone larva and it could be that they are removing them from the damaged ladder comb they built between the brood chambers. I would suspect the bees know better than us when the need drone and when they can clean them out. As to the "sand-like" substance. It appears to be bits of wax which in a small amount is normal on the bottom board. It looks like there is a lot of the stuff and if this is a weakened hive (which I suspect based on your description) it could be that it is being robbed. Robbers have little regard for housekeeping. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Dave" wrote in message news:B0zL6.10580$vf6.1124879@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > In one of my new hives this year there was dead bee larvae on the landing > pad this morning. Also, a sand like substance. > > See picture: > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees1.jpg > > Any ideas what is going on? Maybe a supercedure and this is the queen > larvae from the failed ones? Seems whenever I get new packages they > supercede. Upon last look in the hive, about a week ago, this hive looked > strong. I did see some queen cells in the middle of the frames through. > Lots of brood and good activity. This morning the weather is rainy, but > still had some entrance activity so I don't think it is "hive threatening." > > Thanks for the help. > Dave > > > Article 29696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <74AL6.10639$vf6.1135077@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:08:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 989777283 65.13.109.136 (Sun, 13 May 2001 11:08:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:08:03 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29696 Thanks for the help. There is so much to learn. How did you know it was drone larva? Thanks again, Dave "George Styer" wrote in message news:JAzL6.20304$t12.1622756@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Those in the pic are drone larva and it could be that they are removing them > from the damaged ladder comb they built between the brood chambers. I would > suspect the bees know better than us when the need drone and when they can > clean them out. As to the "sand-like" substance. It appears to be bits of > wax which in a small amount is normal on the bottom board. It looks like > there is a lot of the stuff and if this is a weakened hive (which I suspect > based on your description) it could be that it is being robbed. Robbers have > little regard for housekeeping. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:B0zL6.10580$vf6.1124879@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > > In one of my new hives this year there was dead bee larvae on the landing > > pad this morning. Also, a sand like substance. > > > > See picture: > > > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees1.jpg > > > > Any ideas what is going on? Maybe a supercedure and this is the queen > > larvae from the failed ones? Seems whenever I get new packages they > > supercede. Upon last look in the hive, about a week ago, this hive looked > > strong. I did see some queen cells in the middle of the frames through. > > Lots of brood and good activity. This morning the weather is rainy, but > > still had some entrance activity so I don't think it is "hive > threatening." > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Dave > > > > > > > > Article 29697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice on Bees in House wall Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:28:27 +0100 Organization: The Post Office, United Kingdom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <989778515.811036@igateway.postoffice.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: igas2-2.igas.postoffice.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net 989778515 2587 194.152.87.163 (13 May 2001 18:28:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2001 18:28:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net Cache-Post-Path: igateway.postoffice.co.uk!unknown@144.87.12.91 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29697 I have discovered that bees are entering a wall in my house under the window sill. And as it is a bedroom and we are expecting a baby who will be sleeping in this room, does anyone have advice on how to deal with this problem please? Thanks in advance David. Article 29698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "freddie cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frames Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:06:45 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AA2889D.116C69@mail.tqci.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29698 Hi Chris, I am a hobbyist beekeeper in the UK with one six colony apiary in the middle of Shropshire countryside. I am working with about a 50/50 mix of second-hand and new equipment. Like most beekeepers I use standard National hives. I also have a couple of WBC Hives in my garden which are also SN sized. I presume you are based in the States where I know hives of a much larger sort, i.e., Langstroth are common. I do not wire my brood frames for the simple reason that I never take the honey from the brood area. The only reason for wiring framed is to lend them extra support during spinning, especially if one is using a tangential extractor, as indeed I do. However summers in Britain, especially in recent years, are rarely hot for prolonged periods and given the smaller size of our frames sagging is not experienced. Pat's advice is certainly well taken and absolutely spot on in regions where you are lucky enough to benefit from lovely long spells of hot dry weather. I know that commercial beekeepers working with larger frame sizes, even in hot places, tend not to wire because the practice is very time consuming. Best wishes for a good season Freddie Cooke. There fore since I do not consider very Patrick M. Hennessey wrote in message news:vqecat4pv243pd9v8oso16nrgp5st18huj@4ax.com... > I do wire my brood frames, this is how I was first taught to make > brood frames. I use two wires. This helps to keep the foundation > straight in the frame to prevent bowing. You also might run into > sagging of the comb as you get into the summer. With all of the bees > and the stores that they have put into the comb, plus the heat, the > comb can easily be deformed and sag. You can get support pins, I have > two jars I got from a beekeeper, but I have never used them. I > extract most of my honey, so I also wire the super frames. > > My advice is to wire. > > Pat > > On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:25:18 GMT, Christopher Drazba > wrote: > > >Do brood frames need horizontal wires? I am using wired > >brood foundation. If so, should I use 2 or 4 wires? > > > >Chris D. > Article 29699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting hives Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:55:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3aff1da6.287323454@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29699 On Sun, 13 May 2001 16:03:59 GMT, "Astroman" wrote: >I'm planning on splitting my hives some time next week. If it isn't possible >to move the splits out of the yard, what should I do? If I absolutly do need >to move them, how far is a good distance? is a mile enough? > > When you make the split, move the hive with the queen and leave the split where the old hive sat. This queenless hive will need all the help it can get which will be provided by the foragers from both hives returning to it. While the queenright split will lose their foragers they will be replaced in a week or so with new ones. The quennless split has to be able to survive a minimun of three weeks of no brood being born until the new queen gets going. beekeep Article 29700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 May 2001 00:09:15 GMT References: <74AL6.10639$vf6.1135077@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Message-ID: <20010513200915.04850.00003535@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29700 Look at the big eyes or a drone larvae and compare it to a worker larvae. If you watch the bees you can tell if there is robbing. Robbers fly more in a serpentine and foragers fly straight in. Article 29701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Surprised by a queen cell Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:33:55 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9CjL6.14711$i56.2319691@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 60 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29701 It might well be a superscedure cell. If the hive is not happy with the present queen then they'll set up a single cell towards the centre of the frame. If this is the case, then it is better to let them do their own thing as that queen will be a good one. Wait till she is emerged and laying then split it later. Regards Dave.... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Sharon Spear" wrote in message news:9CjL6.14711$i56.2319691@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > I have to admit being a serious lurker on this group, I've learned a lot. > But now I am moved by events to ask for suggestions as to my best course of > action after discovering a queen cell in the smaller of my 2 hives today. > > I live in North Carolina and am just a hobby beekeeper. Honey production is > not my priority, keeping bees over-winter is. This is because my enjoyment > comes from just observing the critters and the fun I have with my children > extracting the small amount of honey I get each year. > > I have one very strong colony, drawing comb and storing honey like mad. My > second colony came into the honey flow weak but healthy. I was just hoping > to build this up to good strength for the winter, but low and behold, they > have decided to swarm! I realize that this is probably because I need to > give them more room for their stores - but have run out of supers with my > other hive and am madly building more (with new foundation). I fear that > this is now too late anyway. > > My inclination is to use this opportunity to split this colony, as it is > relatively early in the year, in the hope of getting three hives going into > the winter. I am thinking about taking the queen and a few frames of brood > into a nuc - perhaps stealing a few frames from my stronger hive to > supplement. My questions are .... > > If I do this, is the queen likely to swarm anyway? Is it ok to place the nuc > near the other hives? Should I keep them confined for some time? And > finally, is the middle of the honey flow a good or bad time to split a > colony? > > Thanks for any advice, > > Peter > > > > > > Article 29702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tom Industries and foundation??? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:42:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9djnb7$njk$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <9djueq$s2v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3afecfc2.801646729@news.mindspring.com><9dl15e$ii3$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3b000e3f.883192841@news.mindspring.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29702 Not sure if it's of interest, but we import from Germany and could supply a Foundation press for about $500US. This is a tray shape, fill the lower mould area with wax and pull down the lid, presto you've got a sheet of foundation. You'll need to wire the frame, no big deal. If you're interested contact us privately. Regards Dave.... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Atlanta" wrote in message news:3b000e3f.883192841@news.mindspring.com... > Okay thanks I thought the drawback for molds was just time. I dont > want to make something I cant use regarless of time. I thought if I > could make 5 sheets of foundation a day it would be nice and remove > that expense but It sounds like the molds are not the way to go > John Ponder > > >Hi Clay - > > > >I have KEEPING BEES and also made his book style press mould. Finally threw > >it away. Way too messy and I never could get consistent sheets. I know of > >others that have made the same kind of press with the same results. Having > >now seen various ways of making ones own foundation, by far the best way is > >to first use a dipping board to get the thin sheets of wax and then use > >plates or roller mill to make the imprint. The extra time and cost is well > >worth it. > > > > > >Regards, Barry Birkey > > > Article 29703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm building wild comb. Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:53:32 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9dng8f$c2r$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.df X-Server-Date: 14 May 2001 02:34:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29703 I captured a swarm about a week ago, two days later they seem to have left. I had moved the hive from where I caught the swarm to a better location. When I caught the swarm I had a brood chamber with new foundation and a super with 6 frames that I had just extracted. Some bees took up in the hive a few days after I moved it, I had not added the other frames to the super. They are building comb attached to the inner cover. What should I do if anything? Thank you. David. Article 29704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nnrp1.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: txddxz@you.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Find your sole mate here!! Post your FREE personal ADs here! Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 03:37:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.191.54.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp1.sbc.net 989811477 208.191.54.170 (Sun, 13 May 2001 22:37:57 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:37:57 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29704 Stop wasting time waiting for love to fall on your lap. Come to the worlds #1 onling dating service with over 8,000,000 users world wide from the USA to the world you will find that someone here! come and place you FREE personal AD today and tomrrow you may find the one your looking for! And most of th ADs have PICTURES!!! http://www.altmatch.com/index.htm?AssociateID=112049&MID=3102 Dont forget to bookmark this site you will be going back to it alot.. ;) hkvhdydtzhmzpzhzonpssbfuhpdcftjzeylrnxxrmjor Article 29705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey <> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm building wild comb. Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:13:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9dng8f$c2r$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29705 If I am reading your post correctly, I would remove the super untill the girls have drawn-out the foundation. Then put the missing four frames back in the super. Right now you are violating the "bee space" rule. You have left the girls too much open space and the are using it. All of the comb they are building on the inner cover would have been used to draw-out the foundation you have. I would remove the super without waiting for more answers, you are missing out on a swarms ability to draw-out a lot of foundation quickly. Pat On Sun, 13 May 2001 22:53:32 -0400, "David" wrote: >I captured a swarm about a week ago, two days later they seem to have left. >I had moved the hive from where I caught the swarm to a better location. >When I caught the swarm I had a brood chamber with new foundation and a >super with 6 frames that I had just extracted. >Some bees took up in the hive a few days after I moved it, I had not added >the other frames to the super. They are building comb attached to the inner >cover. What should I do if anything? > >Thank you. >David. > Article 29706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Splitting hives Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:19:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 989853590 66.31.162.165 (Mon, 14 May 2001 11:19:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:19:50 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29706 "Astroman" wrote in message news:PfyL6.1889$rg6.315671@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > I'm planning on splitting my hives some time next week. If it isn't possible > to move the splits out of the yard, what should I do? If I absolutly do need > to move them, how far is a good distance? is a mile enough? With deference to beekeep, who has gobs more experience than I, you're saying that you can't really move a hive away from the yard? If that's the case, it's must easier to get success if you do: 0. Order a new queen; wait til she arrives. 1. Take 4 frames of bees (at least 3 with brood) from the original hive, but do not take the queen. Put those frames in your new box. Replace them with empty combs (or foundation, if you don't have drawn comb). Don't divide the brood; put the new combs on the outside edges of the brood. 2. Put the new box where you want it to be - at least 10 feet away from the original hive. 3. Wait a few hours. The foragers will return to the original hive, leaving you with young bees and brood. 4. Put the new queen cage in the new hive. 5. Feed 1:1 sugar syrup to the new colony. -Steve Article 29707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newspharm.inet.tele.dk.MISMATCH!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Rob Graham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mouldy hive Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:21:57 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29707 Never met this before in nearly 40 years of low level beekeeping - opened up one of my 4 hives for its first visit this year, no bees flying from this one, to find that it had significant quantity of mildew in the hive - sheets of white mould. What has gone wrong and is it just mildew or some mould more serious? If I move some of the less seriously affected combs to other hives will the bees clean them up or will I just be moving the mould there ? Rob Scotland Article 29708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SEARCH newsgroup articles and bee-l email on one site Date: 14 May 2001 16:24:25 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9dpetp$k3v$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: http://www.ibiblio.org/bees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29708 Hello Folks--I realize it's a little late, but the search engine is back up on http://www.ibiblio.org/bees -- The Internet Apicultural and Beekeeping Archive. It used to be: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees There you'll find a fairly primitive but working search engine, and almost all the newsgroup article, and bee-l postings up to date. (I'll get the last several months tonight). Sincerely, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "David Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No sting bees Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:01:29 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3b00475f$0$15028$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userej83.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 989874016 news.dial.pipex.com 15028 62.188.13.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29709 Apologies if this has already been discussed but my wife told me she heard on the radio about a guy breeding no sting bees. Does anyone have more info? David Article 29710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No sting bees Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:24:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3b00677a.371724594@news1.radix.net> References: <3b00475f$0$15028$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29710 On Mon, 14 May 2001 22:01:29 +0100, "David Smith" wrote: >Apologies if this has already been discussed but my wife told me she heard >on the radio about a guy breeding no sting bees. > >Does anyone have more info? > >David > > There are stingless bees that are native to South America. The honey is used for medicinal purposes and sells for $100+ per once. beekeep Article 29711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:06:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989888811 24.167.5.152 (Mon, 14 May 2001 20:06:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:06:51 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29711 The media just doesn't have a clue when it comes to beekeeping. Check out the link below which ran on the local news at 5 pm here in Houston. http://www.click2houston.com/hou/news/stories/news-77256320010514-160541.htm l The story is bad enough, but watch the video clip on the page to see how bad their slant really is. Robert Article 29712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b00475f$0$15028$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> <3b00677a.371724594@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: No sting bees Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:08:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989888906 24.167.5.152 (Mon, 14 May 2001 20:08:26 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:08:26 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29712 How would one go about obtaining such a swarm? Even if one could obtain them, is it legal to import them into the US? Robert "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b00677a.371724594@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 14 May 2001 22:01:29 +0100, "David Smith" > wrote: > > >Apologies if this has already been discussed but my wife told me she heard > >on the radio about a guy breeding no sting bees. > > > >Does anyone have more info? > > > >David > > > > > There are stingless bees that are native to South America. The honey > is used for medicinal purposes and sells for $100+ per once. > > beekeep > Article 29713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B00850B.1D67DC30@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First year... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:23:23 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 989889942 216.224.203.19 (Mon, 14 May 2001 20:25:42 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:25:42 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29713 Hives (both) are going well... Installed 2 weeks ago. Checked one week ago... both queens free and laying. Both hives are sucking a quart of sugar water a day. My question. I'll re-open the hives next week (week 3). Should I add a super then? What kind? Brood chamber or 1st honey super? Whatever it is, it'll have foundation, not comb. Should I wait till the 4th or 5th week when the population starts to rise? Advice? Thanks, Taylor Article 29714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:21:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989889714 24.167.5.152 (Mon, 14 May 2001 20:21:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:21:54 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29714 NOTE: You have to add the "l" to the end of the link. It should end in "html" instead of "htm". Sorry, Robert "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:Li%L6.62785$hu.11856217@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > The media just doesn't have a clue when it comes to beekeeping. Check out > the link below which ran on the local news at 5 pm here in Houston. > > http://www.click2houston.com/hou/news/stories/news-77256320010514-160541.htm > l > > The story is bad enough, but watch the video clip on the page to see how bad > their slant really is. > > Robert > > Article 29715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 May 2001 02:26:20 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Message-ID: <20010514222620.22256.00003876@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29715 I'm just going to sit here quietly and shake my head... Ignorance must be bliss. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Richard McClellan" From: "Richard McClellan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Find your sole mate here!! Post your FREE personal ADs here! Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 02:39:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.184.146.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 989894389 205.184.146.26 (Mon, 14 May 2001 19:39:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:39:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:38:09 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29716 Most of my shoes are in pairs, except for an old pair of running shoes that the dog buried one of somewhere. Maybe you could find it for me? Then I would have a "sole" mate. wrote in message news:UswL6.15445$Do6.292053@nnrp2.sbc.net... > Stop wasting time waiting for love to fall on your lap come to the worlds #1 onling dating service with over 8,000,000 users world wide from the USA to the worl you will find that someone here! come and place you FREE personal AD today and tomrrow you may find the one your looking for! > > http://www.oneandonly.com/index.htm?AssociateID=5700&MID=3102 > > dont forget to bookmark this site you will be going back to it alot.. ;) > nqpesiwmtnllzojtx > > Article 29717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!do.de.uu.net!f.de.uu.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.radio.cz!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 10281 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:39:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989897994 24.167.5.152 (Mon, 14 May 2001 22:39:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:39:54 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29717 Attached is a Real Media clip of the actual video "report". It's even worse than the printed link I gave earlier. Just pure sensationalism. Since then, KTRK Channel 13 has also picked up the "story" and broadcast their own sorry version on the 10 o'clock news. Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:Sw%L6.62795$hu.11872162@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > NOTE: You have to add the "l" to the end of the link. It should end in > "html" instead of "htm". > > Sorry, > Robert > > "Robert Talk" wrote in message > news:Li%L6.62785$hu.11856217@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > > The media just doesn't have a clue when it comes to beekeeping. 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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:20:40 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9dq9n1$92k$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9dng8f$c2r$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.92 X-Server-Date: 15 May 2001 04:01:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29718 What should I do, just shake them down into the brood chamber? Is there a better way of driving them down? They seem to be a bit aggressive, I get run off if I get within 10' to 15 feet of the hive. I am in middle Georgia. David wrote in message news:c4tvftorcqut76kmvlfq4chss0puta6hmd@4ax.com... > If I am reading your post correctly, I would remove the super untill > the girls have drawn-out the foundation. Then put the missing four > frames back in the super. Right now you are violating the "bee space" > rule. You have left the girls too much open space and the are using > it. All of the comb they are building on the inner cover would have > been used to draw-out the foundation you have. I would remove the > super without waiting for more answers, you are missing out on a > swarms ability to draw-out a lot of foundation quickly. > > Pat Article 29719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Waraey Hackyr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sites Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 04:25:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989900707 24.167.5.152 (Mon, 14 May 2001 23:25:07 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:25:07 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29719 http://www.uq.net.au/~zzrzabel/for-sale.htm the Trigona carbonaria and Austroplebeia australis as supposedly stingless bees says on site they do international sales Article 29720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Waraey Hackyr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b00475f$0$15028$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> <3b00677a.371724594@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: No sting bees Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 04:26:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989900771 24.167.5.152 (Mon, 14 May 2001 23:26:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:26:11 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29720 doh, posted above instead of in here http://www.uq.net.au/~zzrzabel/for-sale.htm the Trigona carbonaria and Austroplebeia australis as supposedly stingless bees says on site they do international sales "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:ek%L6.62788$hu.11857789@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > How would one go about obtaining such a swarm? Even if one could obtain > them, is it legal to import them into the US? > > Robert > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3b00677a.371724594@news1.radix.net... > > On Mon, 14 May 2001 22:01:29 +0100, "David Smith" > > wrote: > > > > >Apologies if this has already been discussed but my wife told me she > heard > > >on the radio about a guy breeding no sting bees. > > > > > >Does anyone have more info? > > > > > >David > > > > > > > > There are stingless bees that are native to South America. The honey > > is used for medicinal purposes and sells for $100+ per once. > > > > beekeep > > > > Article 29721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No sting bees Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:49:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3b0116d7.416584041@news1.radix.net> References: <3b00475f$0$15028$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> <3b00677a.371724594@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29721 On Tue, 15 May 2001 04:26:11 GMT, "Waraey Hackyr" wrote: >doh, posted above instead of in here > >http://www.uq.net.au/~zzrzabel/for-sale.htm > >the Trigona carbonaria and Austroplebeia australis as supposedly stingless >bees > >says on site they do international sales > Keep in mind that nature didn't make an animal that stores food like honey without giving it a way to protect it. Just because they don't sting doesn't meean that you can just walk up to the hive and help yourself. The stingless bees of South America bite, crawl into your ears, nose, and eyes and they excrete fluids that that will eat through your skin. They make the honeybee look like a wossy. beekeep Article 29722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First year... Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:14:57 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9dr6lc$jc7ni$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B00850B.1D67DC30@yahoo.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 989928941 20324082 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29722 Depends on how well they draw out the frames. If you started with 10 undrawn frames and they draw 8 of them out then I would add another box. Depending on your location and if you can winter with one or two brood boxes would give you an idea whether to add a honey super or not. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3B00850B.1D67DC30@yahoo.com... > Hives (both) are going well... Installed 2 weeks ago. Checked one week > ago... both queens free and laying. Both hives are sucking a quart of > sugar water a day. > > My question. I'll re-open the hives next week (week 3). Should I add a > super then? What kind? Brood chamber or 1st honey super? Whatever it > is, it'll have foundation, not comb. Should I wait till the 4th or 5th > week when the population starts to rise? > > Advice? > > Thanks, > Taylor Article 29723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey <> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm building wild comb. Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:31:05 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <5b72gtk1ocshpjh4vogsej9l09g9f54b56@4ax.com> References: <9dng8f$c2r$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> <9dq9n1$92k$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29723 Take a look at the comb, is there brood in the new comb? If there is no brood use your bee brush to brush them into the lower box and take the new comb out of the area. If there is brood in the comb you will need to decide how bad you will need the brood. If you need the brood you could try to wire the comb into a frame. This will not be easy if your bees area real aggressive. You might want to checkout http://www.beesource.com/plans/swarmframe.htm, if you are handy woodworking this is going to be your best bet You could just put the comb in the lower box without the frame so you can try to save the brood, but the worker bees will seal the comb down to everything, and make a mess of the box. The extra work to clean this mess up may not be worth the trouble. Pat On Tue, 15 May 2001 00:20:40 -0400, "David" wrote: >What should I do, just shake them down into the brood chamber? Is there a >better way of driving them down? >They seem to be a bit aggressive, I get run off if I get within 10' to 15 >feet of the hive. I am in middle Georgia. > >David Article 29724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B00850B.1D67DC30@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: First year... Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:36:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 989933795 66.31.162.165 (Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:35 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29724 Hi Taylor, "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3B00850B.1D67DC30@yahoo.com... > Hives (both) are going well... Installed 2 weeks ago. Checked one week > ago... both queens free and laying. Both hives are sucking a quart of > sugar water a day. Great! > My question. I'll re-open the hives next week (week 3). Should I add a > super then? What kind? Brood chamber or 1st honey super? Whatever it > is, it'll have foundation, not comb. Should I wait till the 4th or 5th > week when the population starts to rise? This is a tentative answer, since you didn't say if you installed on foundation or drawn comb - I'll assume foundation. Also, where are you in the world? Also, you should get a good beekeeping book (or 2 or 7 ;-) that will walk you through this. Richard Bonney's "Beekeeping" is a good one. If you installed on foundation, wait til they've drawn comb in 7 or 8 frames before adding another box - if you were in my area (southern Massachusetts, US) I'd say to add another brood chamber at that time. When they also have that pretty much drawn out, you could add a super. And keep feeding unless they won't take any more. Good luck! -Steve Article 29725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <67k1gtsglk3q0l5lsng974c9rb3g61d856@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:47:41 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.222.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 989909424 62.255.222.39 (Tue, 15 May 2001 07:50:24 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:50:24 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29725 On Tue, 15 May 2001 03:39:54 GMT, "Robert Talk" wrote: >Attached is a Real Media clip of the actual video "report". No binaries, except where the newsgroup has the word 'binaries' in it's title... -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jaf/ ne cede malis Article 29726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David R. Carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:01:15 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "David R. Carlson" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29726 Do any of you know where I can get my hands on some Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's. Yes I know they can be alittle on the mean side but I wouldn't mind adding a hive or two to my collection. Thanks D.R.C. Article 29727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Find your sole mate here!! Post your FREE personal ADs here! Date: 15 May 2001 13:37:34 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9drpgu$gnt$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29727 In article , Richard McClellan wrote: >Most of my shoes are in pairs, except for an old pair of running shoes that >the dog buried one of somewhere. Maybe you could find it for me? Then I >would have a "sole" mate. If you like the Beatles, you could have a "Rubber Soul" mate. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:51:51 +0200 From: "Jose Matas (Airtel)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.23 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.23 X-Trace: 15 May 2001 20:44:41 +0100, 212.73.49.23 Lines: 13 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news!212.73.49.23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29728 Yes, here in Mallorca 90% are the "Good old Fashion Black Europan Black Bee", but I do not know to get to you. "David R. Carlson" wrote: > Do any of you know where I can get my hands on some Good old Fashion Black > European Black Bee's. Yes I know they can be alittle on the mean side but I > wouldn't mind adding a hive or two to my collection. > > Thanks D.R.C. Article 29729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David R. Carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:24:05 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "David R. Carlson" References: <3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29729 Where is Mallorca? I am located in northern California, U.S.A. "Jose Matas (Airtel)" wrote in message news:3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net... > Yes, here in Mallorca 90% are the "Good old Fashion Black Europan Black Bee", > but I do not know to get to you. > > > > "David R. Carlson" wrote: > > > Do any of you know where I can get my hands on some Good old Fashion Black > > European Black Bee's. Yes I know they can be alittle on the mean side but I > > wouldn't mind adding a hive or two to my collection. > > > > Thanks D.R.C. > Article 29730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David R. Carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:38:18 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "David R. Carlson" References: <3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29730 I was referring to the Dutch and German Bees that were brought over here to the U.S. back around 1650 or so. they for several hundred years were the most prevalent bees to be found especially a the wild in state or feral as some would say. Most of them were destroyed by chock brood back in the early 1970s and those that were left were slowly replaced with other breeds. The last know pure feral batch is on Catalina Island and they are soon to be destroyed, so they can return the island back to its natural state back before the 1860s. I have contacted some societies in the U.K. but was informed that they can not export any bees to the U.S. I have also tried a few in Canada but to no avail. So any help that I can get would be much appreciated Thanks David R. Carlson Article 29731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!nntp.msen.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news3.bellglobal.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.144!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: contactus@bargainshotline.com Subject: BargainsHotLine.com New Free Way To SAVE $ MONEY $ Sender: contactus@bargainshotline.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart; boundary="_NextPart_000090A2-00001BDC-366EAB5E-A793" Lines: 43 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:05:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.167.197.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 989971511 64.167.197.101 (Tue, 15 May 2001 17:05:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:05:11 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29731 --_NextPart_000090A2-00001BDC-366EAB5E-A793 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --_NextPart_000090A2-00001BDC-366EAB5E-A793 Content-Type: text/plain; name="personalemail.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: Attachment; filename=personalemail.txt; size=984 Hi, My name is Nick, I shop on the internet allot! I noticed that I have to go through 20 to 30 links before I can even find the product I am looking for! Then when I find the product I don't even know if it really is a bargain or not! There for I designed a web site that will save you and me hours of time on the Internet to find REAL bargains. Would you be interested to receive a FREE newsletter that will tell you where the REAL bargains are on-line? Interested? Yes, I want to subscribe! visit: http://www.bargainshotline.com Not? Please remove my name from your mailing list. Visit: http://www.bargainshotline.com/unsubscribe.asp Disclaimer ########## Our research indicates the following material is of interest to you. If you prefer not to be on this mailing list, please let us knows, and you will be promptly removed. ************************** Nick@bargainshotline.com Lake Forest,CA 92630 Tel 949.598.0078 Fax 949.598.0585 --_NextPart_000090A2-00001BDC-366EAB5E-A793-- Article 29732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.dwave.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net> Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:39:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3b01f7fa$0$324$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 6ee45557.news.dwave.net X-Trace: 989984763 gemini.dwave.net 324 206.176.223.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@dwave.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29732 Last year I purchased 3 nucs and they were suppose to be all Italians. Well now I am looking at them and the one hive is a verity of colors, but most of them are on the dark side with black stripes and some, amazing! are solid shining luster black on the top side of the abdomen, however their size is not much bigger then the Italians. Anyone has any idea what breed are they? Thank you for your reply, Fr. Athanasios "David R. Carlson" wrote in message news:tg3bvk5v01usbb@corp.supernews.com... > I was referring to the Dutch and German Bees that were brought over here to > the U.S. back around 1650 or so. they for several hundred years were the > most prevalent bees to be found especially a the wild in state or feral as > some would say. Most of them were destroyed by chock brood back in the early > 1970s and those that were left were slowly replaced with other breeds. The > last know pure feral batch is on Catalina Island and they are soon to be > destroyed, so they can return the island back to its natural state back > before the 1860s. I have contacted some societies in the U.K. but was > informed that they can not export any bees to the U.S. I have also tried a > few in Canada but to no avail. So any help that I can get would be much > appreciated > > Thanks David R. Carlson > > > Article 29733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3DmM6.62177$Cc1.14044931@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:38:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989984319 24.167.5.152 (Tue, 15 May 2001 22:38:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:38:39 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29733 Well now Channel 13 has also stepped in and run poor David Kelley of Kelley Honey (Paris, TX) out of town. Even though he had legally leased the land and legally placed his hives there, the sensationalist Houston news media has turned their full wrath on him. Davis decided it was just better to pack up his hives and go. Sorry David, but please understand that not all Houstonians are as ignorant as the ones you just encountered. Those TV jerks are doing everything they can to badmouth beekeeping. It really makes it hard to convince your neighbors that not only are bees ok, they are actually beneficial. Here's a link to the Channel 13 story http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/051501_news_bees.html The TV "story" on Channel 13 says that the County Attorney's office is considering pressing charges! Shame on you Channel 2 and Channel 13 "news". Robert Talk http://members.tripod.com/beetalk "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:Li%L6.62785$hu.11856217@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > The media just doesn't have a clue when it comes to beekeeping. Check out > the link below which ran on the local news at 5 pm here in Houston. > > http://www.click2houston.com/hou/news/stories/news-77256320010514-160541.htm > l > > The story is bad enough, but watch the video clip on the page to see how bad > their slant really is. > > Robert > > Article 29734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <67k1gtsglk3q0l5lsng974c9rb3g61d856@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3FmM6.62179$Cc1.14048028@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:40:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 989984447 24.167.5.152 (Tue, 15 May 2001 22:40:47 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:40:47 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29734 JAF, Where is the newsgroup "alt.binairies.beekeeping" or "sci.agriculture.binairies.beekeeeping"? Robert "JAF" wrote in message news:67k1gtsglk3q0l5lsng974c9rb3g61d856@4ax.com... > On Tue, 15 May 2001 03:39:54 GMT, "Robert Talk" > wrote: > > >Attached is a Real Media clip of the actual video "report". > > No binaries, except where the newsgroup has the word 'binaries' in it's > title... > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > www.jaf.co.uk > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jaf/ > ne cede malis Article 29735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-006cocsprp031.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:10:13 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.8f X-Server-Date: 16 May 2001 04:09:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29735 In article <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > > > It sounds like you learned the lesson of durapuke. The stuff is > simply total shit. Reuse your frames but get a good foundation like > rite-cell. > > beekeep What do y'all think of plastic foundation? Or... should one just stick to wax? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-006cocsprp031.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cells Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:20:01 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.8f X-Server-Date: 16 May 2001 04:19:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29736 In article , "Jim R. Hankins" wrote: > > The thing that worries me is shouldn't I check to see if the Queen is still > there first, before I smash them? YES! I made the beginner's mistake a few days ago of killing an emerging queen before checking on the condition of the old queen first. Turns out there WAS no old queen, and the bees were taking care of the situation in their own efficient, tried and true way. I just screwed things up and now am trying to get a queen in there ASAP so mebbe we'll still get some honey. The worst thing about it is that I uselessly killed a healthy creature that was prepared to do it's duty in the grand cycle of things. I feel really bad when I think about it. :( -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-006cocsprp031.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:23:30 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20010514222620.22256.00003876@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.8f X-Server-Date: 16 May 2001 04:22:50 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29737 In article <20010514222620.22256.00003876@ng-ct1.news.cs.com>, texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) wrote: > I'm just going to sit here quietly and shake my head... Ignorance must be > bliss. If so, then the tee-vee snooze folks who come on at 6 and 11 every day are the most blissful folks in the world. Surely no one takes these people seriously, in an situation, bee related or no. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:43:36 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3DmM6.62177$Cc1.14044931@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbNIMIu4JCaxkoLGAiGDCypbMFlw8S8krseUnbWhe5r0RTRT26JdQa2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2001 08:45:00 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29738 > Here's a link to the Channel 13 story > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/051501_news_bees.html This is the author, James Irby's email address: james.irby@chron.com Article 29739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:31:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3b02568e.498395363@news1.radix.net> References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29739 On Wed, 16 May 2001 03:10:13 -0700, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >In article <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net >(beekeep) wrote: > > >> > >> It sounds like you learned the lesson of durapuke. The stuff is >> simply total shit. Reuse your frames but get a good foundation like >> rite-cell. >> >> beekeep > >What do y'all think of plastic foundation? Or... should one just stick to wax? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.StretchPhotography.com I love the Rite-Cell sold by Mann Lake. Before that I used Permadent which looks the same. I buy the wax coated. It works well. beekeep Article 29740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:21:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29740 for still more media misinformation/manipulation see the follow-up story, "Abandoned Beehives' Owner Found" at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/kprc/20010515/lo/401750_1.html ...beekeepers' worst nightmare! Article 29741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B027815.F67B25F6@sympatico.ca> From: Amelie and Steven Koning Organization: Amelie Silks/Koning's Orchard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> <3ae5f811.699779641@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:53:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.185.220 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 990017639 206.172.185.220 (Wed, 16 May 2001 08:53:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:53:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29741 All this can be avoided by using litres/kilos/metric measures Steve Koning youarewhatyoudo:dobedobedo "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > What happened to "ask a simple question and you get a simple answer'? > Why not just weigh the jar? duh! > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:E9nF6.9499$HH6.15886@news2-hme0... > > I think that you will find that it is 1.4 times as heavy - depending on > the > > moisture content of course - so a gallon then weighs 14lbs. > > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > news:3ae5f811.699779641@news1.radix.net... > > > On 24 Apr 2001 10:36:54 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: > > > > > > >The old saying is > > > > > > > >"a pint's a pound the world around" > > > > > > But honey is half again as heavy. It's got stuff in it called sugars. > > > > > > beekeep > > > > > > > Article 29742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:30:28 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3DmM6.62177$Cc1.14044931@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb2++wiDmr2zRJ+CegpqbXtUbc+ENjTbeAr3ua5G1aid2RPiS1K/f2O X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2001 14:31:52 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29742 >> Here's a link to the Channel 13 story >> http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/051501_news_bees.html > > This is the author, James Irby's email address: > james.irby@chron.com Sorry folks, this is the wrong address. Still trying to track it down. -Barry Article 29743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:41:14 -0500 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3DmM6.62177$Cc1.14044931@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb58gdlab7bVMDIhPChhLmFGP65W77uf2EesY5WeW3pvRZvON5W4MYe X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2001 14:42:37 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29743 >>> Here's a link to the Channel 13 story >>> http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/051501_news_bees.html About the best you can do is post your thoughts about this article at their web site: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/aboutus/index.html -Barry Article 29744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard <"poll7356 NO SPAM "@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Emerging Queens and empty Queen Cells Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:05:36 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3B02B360.253043DA@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 990032639 3744 129.101.81.64 (16 May 2001 17:03:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2001 17:03:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29744 My hive has a bunch of queen cells- some are capped off and some have what looks like a larva inside them- the larve is pretty big- and white and gooey looking.  {They swarmed on saturday (this weekend i'l inspect for a queen and kill the rest of the cells if i find her...).}  So what was that in the queen cell- a queen larve that is not capped yet?
thanks
matthew Article 29745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:18 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.133.182 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 990048679 212.137.133.182 (Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:19 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:19 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29745 Dead drone larvae and wax from cappings. I would look to make sure that: a) they have enough food (drones are ejected first when the going gets tough) and b) that they are not being robbed. "Dave" wrote in message news:B0zL6.10580$vf6.1124879@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > In one of my new hives this year there was dead bee larvae on the landing > pad this morning. Also, a sand like substance. > > See picture: > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees1.jpg > > Any ideas what is going on? Maybe a supercedure and this is the queen > larvae from the failed ones? Seems whenever I get new packages they > supercede. Upon last look in the hive, about a week ago, this hive looked > strong. I did see some queen cells in the middle of the frames through. > Lots of brood and good activity. This morning the weather is rainy, but > still had some entrance activity so I don't think it is "hive threatening." > > Thanks for the help. > Dave > > > Article 29746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mouldy hive Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5rCM6.84$D91.5008@news2-hme0> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:38:14 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.133.182 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 990049089 212.137.133.182 (Wed, 16 May 2001 22:38:09 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:38:09 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29746 The appalling weather and a weak colony is probably the cause. Good idea to sterilise the combs with acetic acid before giving to another colony (1/4 pint of 80% acid on a pad of rags on top of the combs - seal the box for a week, then air it well before giving back to the bees - be careful with the acid as it can cause severe burns if spilt on your skin). ."Rob Graham" wrote in message news:tg0ahgnr59u03b@corp.supernews.co.uk... > Never met this before in nearly 40 years of low level beekeeping - opened up > one of my 4 hives for its first visit this year, no bees flying from this > one, to find that it had significant quantity of mildew in the hive - sheets > of white mould. What has gone wrong and is it just mildew or some mould > more serious? If I move some of the less seriously affected combs to other > hives will the bees clean them up or will I just be moving the mould there ? > > Rob > Scotland > > Article 29747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Astroman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:51:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 990049892 24.66.69.64 (Wed, 16 May 2001 14:51:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:51:32 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29747 I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a great text. It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. Anyway thats my 2 cents. Article 29748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:12:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3b02faeb.40232639@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29748 On Wed, 16 May 2001 21:51:32 GMT, "Astroman" wrote: >I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so >little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of >getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a >great text. > >It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > >Anyway thats my 2 cents. > > > I have to agree with you. I don't think that there is any other hobby that even comes close when it comes to ignorance of the subject. beekeep Article 29749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B033688.7774EF29@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> <3b02568e.498395363@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:25:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 990058610 208.235.28.53 (Wed, 16 May 2001 20:16:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:16:50 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29749 beekeep wrote: > > (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > >What do y'all think of plastic foundation? Or... should one just stick to wax? > > > > > I love the Rite-Cell sold by Mann Lake. Before that I used Permadent > which looks the same. I buy the wax coated. It works well. > > beekeep I second that. Waxed Rite-cell has worked great for me too. AL Article 29750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:24:11 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9dv9i8$762$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> <3b02568e.498395363@news1.radix.net> <3B033688.7774EF29@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-11-135.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 990062984 7362 209.23.11.135 (17 May 2001 01:29:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2001 01:29:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29750 Hi, Waxed pierrco works fine too. Also permadent. Clay Article 29751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:19:14 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9dv9ao$75g$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net> <3b01f7fa$0$324$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-11-135.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 990062744 7344 209.23.11.135 (17 May 2001 01:25:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2001 01:25:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29751 Hi, You probably got italian queens. But they were mated with the local stock of that area they were mated. NO ALL FERAL COLONIES ARE NOT GONE. I wonder why many beekeepers fight against local stock, they are well adapted. Keep those bees they're good! Raise queens they'll be good. Don't let anyone fool you, you can raise good queens(actually the bees do it). The bees you are seeing that are black are most likely apis mellifera mellifera. Clay Article 29752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2001 01:57:47 GMT References: <3B033688.7774EF29@midwest.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Message-ID: <20010516215747.27578.00000129@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29752 >>What do y'all think of plastic foundation? I try not to...It ticks me off too much;) Vive le naturel. It's the only way to go. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2001 02:28:37 GMT References: <3b02faeb.40232639@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Message-ID: <20010516222837.24269.00000116@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29753 Hell if you think this hobby is fraught with ignorance, stay away from gardening or the firing range. Article 29754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jim R. Hankins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Forgive the ignorant first year beekeepers!! Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29754 Yes, I admit to being new to the bee yard but it's all in the fun of learning that I do it. I find it intoxicating. I have made tons of mistakes, but that is how I would imagine one learns. It's great to have a forum to share ideas and learn from others. It would seem to me that when those first beekeepers of earlier times found themselves with a hive of bees they could not exactly run to their local university for a short course on beekeeping. It was purely from trial and error. My mismanaged hives give me a proud sense that I am learning to become a better beekeeper. That every error allows me to learn from it and correct it the next time it occurs. I'm so happy that I am human and have the opportunity to err, which in turn allows me to grow. It's sad to me, to see what I believeto be, fellow beekeepers that have more experience push ever so slightly down the younger inexperience beekeepers. We are here to learn. Some silently some more inquisitively. I hived three packages of bees today and God knows if I have done it right. The packages I've received previously are doing great! I came to this forum tonight to ask questions but instead find myself asking for patience for us newbies that may not have the experience you pros obviously do. Thanks, Jim Article 29755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Forgive the ignorant first year beekeepers!! Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: <98IM6.4271$rg6.765066@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 04:07:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 990072453 24.66.69.64 (Wed, 16 May 2001 21:07:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:07:33 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29755 I don't think the point made was about errors, we all make and learn from then. The point seemed to be.... knowing nearly nothing, like what a drone looks like. That isn't an error, it's ignorance. "Jim R. Hankins" wrote in message news:tg6hq51b57l4a5@corp.supernews.com... > Yes, I admit to being new to the bee yard but it's all in the fun of > learning that I do it. I find it intoxicating. I have made tons of > mistakes, but that is how I would imagine one learns. It's great to have a > forum to share ideas and learn from others. It would seem to me that when > those first beekeepers of earlier times found themselves with a hive of bees > they could not exactly run to their local university for a short course on > beekeeping. It was purely from trial and error. > > My mismanaged hives give me a proud sense that I am learning to become a > better beekeeper. That every error allows me to learn from it and correct > it the next time it occurs. I'm so happy that I am human and have the > opportunity to err, which in turn allows me to grow. > > It's sad to me, to see what I believeto be, fellow beekeepers that have more > experience push ever so slightly down the younger inexperience beekeepers. > We are here to learn. Some silently some more inquisitively. > > I hived three packages of bees today and God knows if I have done it right. > The packages I've received previously are doing great! I came to this forum > tonight to ask questions but instead find myself asking for patience for us > newbies that may not have the experience you pros obviously do. > > Thanks, > Jim > > Article 29756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David R. Carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:52:51 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "David R. Carlson" References: <3B017AC7.4701F06C@airtel.net> <3b01f7fa$0$324$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> <9dv9ao$75g$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29756 If they are Apis Mellifera Mellifera, I would love to get my hands on them. they basically what I'm looking for. D.R. Carlson "huestis" wrote in message news:9dv9ao$75g$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > Hi, > > You probably got italian queens. But they were mated with the local stock > of that area they were mated. NO ALL FERAL COLONIES ARE NOT GONE. I wonder > why many beekeepers fight against local stock, they are well adapted. Keep > those bees they're good! Raise queens they'll be good. Don't let anyone fool > you, you can raise good queens(actually the bees do it). The bees you are > seeing that are black are most likely apis mellifera mellifera. > > Clay > > Article 29757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:43:44 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 990095834 206.231.24.34 (Thu, 17 May 2001 06:37:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:37:14 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29757 What an ignorant statement. I have trouble believing all the book learned beekeepers who haven't got a clue. If it aint in the book they're up the creek without a paddle and don't even know it. It takes a lifetime of hands on experience to learn bees. Even then, every year is different. Just when you think you've got it knocked, everything changes and you realize how much more there is to learn. All I can say to the Astromen of this world is "each one teach one." Mike Astroman wrote: > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > great text. > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. Article 29758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newspharm.inet.tele.dk.MISMATCH!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: References: <3b02faeb.40232639@news1.radix.net><20010516222837.24269.00000116@ng-cq1.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:14:18 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.236.35 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 990090040 212.137.236.35 (Thu, 17 May 2001 10:00:40 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:00:40 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29758 If the bees are half as upset as you surely they would move on? > From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: 17 May 2001 02:28:37 GMT > Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! > > Hell if you think this hobby is fraught with ignorance, stay away from > gardening or the firing range. > > > > > > Article 29759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2001 13:02:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Message-ID: <20010517090238.00450.00000132@ng-mi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29759 Of course the TV folks are biased against us. Have you ever seen a bee supply ad on TV? TV has one job to deliver a pair of eyeballs to it's paying customer the advertisor. Beekeepers are too busy to be running to the mall and to diverse to pidgeonhole into some focus groups idea of what we should be buying. Think least common denominator and what television portrays will at least seem logical. Article 29760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 46 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2001 13:12:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Forgive the ignorant first year beekeepers!! Message-ID: <20010517091246.19879.00000129@ng-mb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29760 >From: "Jim R. Hankins" jhankins@cox-internet.com >I came to this forum >tonight to ask questions but instead find myself asking for patience for us >newbies that may not have the experience you pros obviously do. I hope I'm not the person who has been impatient, but some of us have been here for many years, and answered hundreds of questions. It sometimes seems that folks want to be spoon fed EVERYTHING (no, not you), and after awhile we just get tired of responding. When a basic question is contemplated, it is a good idea to check the archives. Adam (the creator of this forum - thanks Adam) has just kindly provided the new address for searching the archives: http://www.ibiblio.org/bees That address should be bookmarked by every newbie. Also one should be doing some reading on the basics. If you have a poor library and an empty pocketbook, there is still good news - you don't have to buy books; a lot of bee reference material is online. Here is a jumpoff point: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm I especially recommend Keith Deliplane's online beekeeping course as a MUST for every beginning beekeeper. If you bookmark these three addresses, you'll have a vast libary at your fingertips. My point: I would encourage newbies to show some discipline and do some digging, before popping off basic questions in the bee forums. Those of us with a few years of experience are willing to help, but we don't have time to repeat the same answers over and over. I'll also mention that I love to hear newbies describe their experiences. Believe me, we won't condemn your mistakes; we've all made them too! Dave Back to lurk mode.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Forgive the ignorant first year beekeepers!! Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:24:06 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 59 Message-ID: <3b0512ec.1212119477@news.mindspring.com> References: <3b03bb51.89489543@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9a.dc X-Server-Date: 17 May 2001 12:31:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29761 I followed gregs advice. When I saw his screen name on the aadt ng I asked him some questions and he kinda blew me off and told me to read and find my local group. I did both and learned so much. I went and rechecked out the two first books I got from the Library and now they make sense! The first time I was just overloaded with info. I also subscribed to a couple of periodicals and now I have a couple of hives and really enjoy it. I do think everyone ought to read a couple of books before they get started unless they have a mentor to work with. John Ponder honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:38 -0500, "Jim R. Hankins" > wrote: > >>Yes, I admit to being new to the bee yard but it's all in the fun of >>learning that I do it. I find it intoxicating. I have made tons of >>mistakes, but that is how I would imagine one learns. It's great to have a >>forum to share ideas and learn from others. It would seem to me that when >>those first beekeepers of earlier times found themselves with a hive of bees >>they could not exactly run to their local university for a short course on >>beekeeping. It was purely from trial and error. > >It would be nice if we could go the the University of Maryland with >bee questions. What started out as an agricultural college now >doesn't even have an extention agent for beekeeping. > >>My mismanaged hives give me a proud sense that I am learning to become a >>better beekeeper. That every error allows me to learn from it and correct >>it the next time it occurs. I'm so happy that I am human and have the >>opportunity to err, which in turn allows me to grow. >> >>It's sad to me, to see what I believeto be, fellow beekeepers that have more >>experience push ever so slightly down the younger inexperience beekeepers. >>We are here to learn. Some silently some more inquisitively. > >We don't push them down. A lot of us just feel that this is not the >place to ask questions where the answers are in the most elementry >beekeeping books. Come here slightly informed with intelligent >questions and you will be helped. Now getting us all to agree on the >answer, well that's another story. > >>I hived three packages of bees today and God knows if I have done it right. >>The packages I've received previously are doing great! I came to this forum >>tonight to ask questions but instead find myself asking for patience for us >>newbies that may not have the experience you pros obviously do. >> >>Thanks, >>Jim >> >> >Anybody that wants to ride around checking out my bee yards is always >welcome. I would enjoy the company as Bob, my Jack Russel, hides >under the truck as soon as I light the smoker. > >beekeep >in Southern Maryland > Article 29762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:39:01 -0400 Organization: USDA-ARS-Plant Protection Research Unit Lines: 31 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (mhg3 on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <3B033688.7774EF29@midwest.net> <20010516215747.27578.00000129@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 990103141 14462 128.253.66.35 (17 May 2001 12:39:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2001 12:39:01 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "R<\sfw5dC!f(q:];s=>0"=u,KfPnt".8B0F9F<=((hJthI8OC_}@b+>5R"9F y9wbEioX8'uXP@J$)C6w^O,/zgQhamJ/9MU"I|JLhf"haJt~!)}@U[VH!V*S1r7y^o#r nM6D8!hRa0P{x^Q(/ac~iP\@j>H:KM Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29762 Each of the foundation types have disadvantages and advantages. I used wax way back it takes time to make a good frame with embeding the wire etc, then Duraguilt came out--it was quick but when the comb or wax peals off the plastic it becomes useless as the bees will not rebuild. The plastic foundations are quick to insert into frames, are reusable and supposidly mouse proof--but what do you do when your hive gets AFB??--can you burn it?--This may be a problem if your state inspectors find some AFB and want you to destroy the frames. There may be a method to sanitize them but it will take a strong chemical or irradiation. Mike In article <20010516215747.27578.00000129@ng-xb1.news.cs.com>, texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) wrote: >>>What do y'all think of plastic foundation? > > >I try not to...It ticks me off too much;) > >Vive le naturel. It's the only way to go. > > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Forgive the ignorant first year beekeepers!! Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:39:41 -0400 Lines: 82 Message-ID: <9e0kca$e65u$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010517091246.19879.00000129@ng-mb1.aol.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990106827 465086 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29763 Jim, Dave's comments are good and the others that have replied also have good comments. Stick around awhile and you will query yourself on why folks do what they do with such a precious venture as beekeeping. It is interesting the money you can wrap up in this hobby\business and not be clued into the many factors that make up beekeeping. I know folks who read a lot of articles on cars, boats, motorcycles before they purchase them and then sometimes we wonder how folks can jump into something and not have questions until after the fact. Beekeeping is a life in it's own! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20010517091246.19879.00000129@ng-mb1.aol.com... > >From: "Jim R. Hankins" jhankins@cox-internet.com > > >I came to this forum > >tonight to ask questions but instead find myself asking for patience for us > >newbies that may not have the experience you pros obviously do. > > I hope I'm not the person who has been impatient, but some of us have been > here for many years, and answered hundreds of questions. It sometimes seems > that folks want to be spoon fed EVERYTHING (no, not you), and after awhile we > just get tired of responding. > > When a basic question is contemplated, it is a good idea to check the > archives. Adam (the creator of this forum - thanks Adam) has just kindly > provided the new address for searching the archives: > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees That address should be bookmarked by every > newbie. > > Also one should be doing some reading on the basics. If you have a poor > library and an empty pocketbook, there is still good news - you don't have to > buy books; a lot of bee reference material is online. > > Here is a jumpoff point: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm I > especially recommend Keith Deliplane's online beekeeping course as a MUST for > every beginning beekeeper. > > If you bookmark these three addresses, you'll have a vast libary at your > fingertips. > > My point: I would encourage newbies to show some discipline and do some > digging, before popping off basic questions in the bee forums. Those of us > with a few years of experience are willing to help, but we don't have time to > repeat the same answers over and over. > > I'll also mention that I love to hear newbies describe their experiences. > Believe me, we won't condemn your mistakes; we've all made them too! > > Dave > Back to lurk mode.... > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2001 12:57:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Message-ID: <20010517085750.00450.00000130@ng-mi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29764 So far a few swarms lost to branches higher than I care to tread. But no absconding. Someday you will learn the difference between irony and sarcasm. The only thing I can't stand is the beginner who gets his hive going and his combs all drawn and has some mishap with his bees and just gives up. They waste all of their previous experience which they could build upon. I usually touch bases with my newbees in winter to try to keep their interest up. Share the makings of a nuc if first year didn't overwinter etc. What do you do Mac? Article 29765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:29:16 -0400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9e0jop$d51o$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B033688.7774EF29@midwest.net> <20010516215747.27578.00000129@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990106202 431160 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29765 I think it is Great! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20010516215747.27578.00000129@ng-xb1.news.cs.com... > >>What do y'all think of plastic foundation? > > > I try not to...It ticks me off too much;) > > Vive le naturel. It's the only way to go. > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:39:30 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-NwlrRlPSjcDTOEgm1dBnbos97zQNhAsg7l8zPgKUGe6P5SJIxrXf0KMSTd7wYcQUyyG8lbvK8vakafS!KxuzUTzBh4GNxgDrXcyvsc04irB68PNNKG3JZ7IRPBPEezHbsuX/giRPaMDeuoptSkeEfI/Eg8c6!UexU X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:38:20 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29766 I live at the base of the Texas Panhandle and probably fall into that group of new and ignorant beekeepers. Not that I want to be that way, I just don't have any other beekeepers around to ask. I'd give anything to find an experienced beekeeper to help me learn, but no luck so far. Guess it the old school of hard knocks for me. If it weren't for this group and some pretty good books, I don't know what I'd do. Thanks to all of you for your help. Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "Adam Finkelstein" wrote in message news:9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net... > In article <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net>, > michael palmer wrote: > >What an ignorant statement. I have trouble believing all the book learned > >beekeepers who haven't got a clue. If it aint in the book they're up the > >creek without a paddle and don't even know it. It takes a lifetime of hands > >on experience to learn bees. Even then, every year is different. Just when > >you think you've got it knocked, everything changes and you realize how much > >more there is to learn. All I can say to the Astromen of this world is "each > >one teach one." > > Sure--the more you spend time with bees the more you realize how little > you really understand them. > > This newsgroup was created so that people could exchange information > about beekeeping: all types. If someone needs help, help them or point > them in the right direction. > > If you want to post on "how clueless" some beginning beekeeprs are, > that's okay too except that you might not become too popular in the > future. > > Everyone has something to learn. This is a nice way to do that. > > I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right > hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Date: 17 May 2001 06:53:30 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29767 In article <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net>, michael palmer wrote: >What an ignorant statement. I have trouble believing all the book learned >beekeepers who haven't got a clue. If it aint in the book they're up the >creek without a paddle and don't even know it. It takes a lifetime of hands >on experience to learn bees. Even then, every year is different. Just when >you think you've got it knocked, everything changes and you realize how much >more there is to learn. All I can say to the Astromen of this world is "each >one teach one." Sure--the more you spend time with bees the more you realize how little you really understand them. This newsgroup was created so that people could exchange information about beekeeping: all types. If someone needs help, help them or point them in the right direction. If you want to post on "how clueless" some beginning beekeeprs are, that's okay too except that you might not become too popular in the future. Everyone has something to learn. This is a nice way to do that. I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Forgive the ignorant first year beekeepers!! Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:02:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3b03bb51.89489543@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29768 On Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:38 -0500, "Jim R. Hankins" wrote: >Yes, I admit to being new to the bee yard but it's all in the fun of >learning that I do it. I find it intoxicating. I have made tons of >mistakes, but that is how I would imagine one learns. It's great to have a >forum to share ideas and learn from others. It would seem to me that when >those first beekeepers of earlier times found themselves with a hive of bees >they could not exactly run to their local university for a short course on >beekeeping. It was purely from trial and error. It would be nice if we could go the the University of Maryland with bee questions. What started out as an agricultural college now doesn't even have an extention agent for beekeeping. >My mismanaged hives give me a proud sense that I am learning to become a >better beekeeper. That every error allows me to learn from it and correct >it the next time it occurs. I'm so happy that I am human and have the >opportunity to err, which in turn allows me to grow. > >It's sad to me, to see what I believeto be, fellow beekeepers that have more >experience push ever so slightly down the younger inexperience beekeepers. >We are here to learn. Some silently some more inquisitively. We don't push them down. A lot of us just feel that this is not the place to ask questions where the answers are in the most elementry beekeeping books. Come here slightly informed with intelligent questions and you will be helped. Now getting us all to agree on the answer, well that's another story. >I hived three packages of bees today and God knows if I have done it right. >The packages I've received previously are doing great! I came to this forum >tonight to ask questions but instead find myself asking for patience for us >newbies that may not have the experience you pros obviously do. > >Thanks, >Jim > > Anybody that wants to ride around checking out my bee yards is always welcome. I would enjoy the company as Bob, my Jack Russel, hides under the truck as soon as I light the smoker. beekeep in Southern Maryland Article 29769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:04:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3b03bdee.90158740@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29769 On Tue, 15 May 2001 01:01:15 -0700, "David R. Carlson" wrote: >Do any of you know where I can get my hands on some Good old Fashion Black >European Black Bee's. Yes I know they can be alittle on the mean side but I >wouldn't mind adding a hive or two to my collection. > > Thanks D.R.C. > > I seem to remember Bob Cole of NC tell a story about a bull and some black german bees years back. Maybe he can direct you to some. beekeep Article 29770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dionysos.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:44:51 +0100 Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Organization: clara.net http://www.clara.net/ Message-ID: <990121492.865153@dionysos> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.142.101 Lines: 70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: e672891068d0e751886071df7eaa85a467648c886600484f480be0e13b040e14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29770 Dear Me Please tell an ignorant Englishman why the Texas panhandle is so called surely its the Oklahoma panhandle? All the Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Farnham Astro Society. http://www.farnhamas.plus.com/ "Me" wrote in message news:mwQM6.13702$iC1.474129@news6.giganews.com... > I live at the base of the Texas Panhandle and probably fall into that group > of new and ignorant beekeepers. Not that I want to be that way, I just > don't have any other beekeepers around to ask. I'd give anything to find an > experienced beekeeper to help me learn, but no luck so far. Guess it the > old school of hard knocks for me. If it weren't for this group and some > pretty good books, I don't know what I'd do. Thanks to all of you for your > help. > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > "Adam Finkelstein" wrote in message > news:9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net... > > In article <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net>, > > michael palmer wrote: > > >What an ignorant statement. I have trouble believing all the book learned > > >beekeepers who haven't got a clue. If it aint in the book they're up the > > >creek without a paddle and don't even know it. It takes a lifetime of > hands > > >on experience to learn bees. Even then, every year is different. Just > when > > >you think you've got it knocked, everything changes and you realize how > much > > >more there is to learn. All I can say to the Astromen of this world is > "each > > >one teach one." > > > > Sure--the more you spend time with bees the more you realize how little > > you really understand them. > > > > This newsgroup was created so that people could exchange information > > about beekeeping: all types. If someone needs help, help them or point > > them in the right direction. > > > > If you want to post on "how clueless" some beginning beekeeprs are, > > that's okay too except that you might not become too popular in the > > future. > > > > Everyone has something to learn. This is a nice way to do that. > > > > I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right > > hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. > > > > Adam > > -- > > Adam Finkelstein > > adamf@radix.net > > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf > Article 29771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping class for kids Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:08:47 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9e17ld$iupi$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990126573 621362 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29771 I have put together a handout to give a class to 1st and 2nd grade kids. I would be interested in sharing my information with others. I would also like to get some information and handouts from others on what they presented. I purchased a lot of Honey Stix, I hope that goes over well! My class is 29 May.. I hope to receive some good information and advice soon!! Thanks -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 29772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!shell-1.enteract.com!meadmakr From: Chuck Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how long to draw out foundation Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:29:37 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYRv10pZ9oH8/0v8y1DBIqqOIAveULI/1IP1PvG4S+3ETemv5wubRnw X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2001 19:29:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29772 I installed my package bees (3 lbs) on foundation 29 days ago. I'm wondering when the first brood will start to appear. So my question is, how long did it take the girls to draw out comb deep enough for the queen to lay the first eggs? When will the population explosion happen? At present they are working on the second hive body of foundation (which I added about a week ago) and don't seem to be taking nearly as much syrup as in the first few weeks. Chuck Wettergreen Geneva, IL Article 29773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping class for kids Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:55:57 -0400 Organization: USDA-ARS-Plant Protection Research Unit Lines: 29 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (mhg3 on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <9e17ld$iupi$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 990129363 13460 128.253.66.35 (17 May 2001 19:56:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 2001 19:56:03 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "R<\sfw5dC!f(q:];s=>0"=u,KfPnt".8B0F9F<=((hJthI8OC_}@b+>5R"9F y9wbEioX8'uXP@J$)C6w^O,/zgQhamJ/9MU"I|JLhf"haJt~!)}@U[VH!V*S1r7y^o#r nM6D8!hRa0P{x^Q(/ac~iP\@j>H:KM Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29773 In article <9e17ld$iupi$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >I have put together a handout to give a class to 1st and 2nd grade kids. I >would be interested in sharing my information with others. I would also >like to get some information and handouts from others on what they >presented. I purchased a lot of Honey Stix, I hope that goes over well! >My class is 29 May.. I hope to receive some good information and advice >soon!! > >Thanks >-- >BeeFarmer >OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Kids are fun I just did a showing for my daughter first grade class. Two suggestions 01 You may want to run the honey stix past the teacher first they may want to send them home rather than let the kids pop them on site. Keep it short and fun the kids love to interact. Cheers Have fun! Mike Article 29774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:42:24 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9e1d53$esg19@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p31.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29774 you are too right -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Suisse tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 Astroman a écrit dans le message : EDCM6.4201$rg6.719067@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > great text. > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. > > > Article 29775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David R. Carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good old Fashion Black European Black Bee's Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:32:47 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "David R. Carlson" References: <3b03bdee.90158740@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29775 How do I get a hold of Bod Cole. D.R. Carlson "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b03bdee.90158740@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 15 May 2001 01:01:15 -0700, "David R. Carlson" > wrote: > > >Do any of you know where I can get my hands on some Good old Fashion Black > >European Black Bee's. Yes I know they can be alittle on the mean side but I > >wouldn't mind adding a hive or two to my collection. > > > > Thanks D.R.C. > > > > > I seem to remember Bob Cole of NC tell a story about a bull and some > black german bees years back. Maybe he can direct you to some. > > beekeep > Article 29776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 May 2001 02:13:30 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: how long to draw out foundation Message-ID: <20010517221330.23283.00000272@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29776 I don't know what normal would be, but I recently captured a swarm and within 7 days they had drawn out comb and had eggs laid. Article 29777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cleaning up wax Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAmy3tOrNngeULkpfgZz1PNqhtwD4CFQCQNKsCE113pLrmTbCSCDTKaSmteQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29777 We have been keeping bees for several years and when we uncapped the comb we would put the wax outside for the bees to clean up. We noticed that the bees became more aggressive and seemed to start robbing weaker hives. Is this so? How do you handle the wax and honey left over from uncapping? Do you let the bees clean it up or do something else? Do you ever give the bees honey or is this a big NO-NO? I'd like to know what you all do. Thanks in advance. Article 29778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how long to draw out foundation Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:19:51 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9e30i5$oifn$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010517221330.23283.00000272@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990184838 805367 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29778 Swarms tend to draw a lot quicker as they come prepared to do just that! Packages on the other hand may take some time depending on the type of bees and weather. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "RDVeal" wrote in message news:20010517221330.23283.00000272@ng-fh1.news.cs.com... > I don't know what normal would be, but I recently captured a swarm and within 7 > days they had drawn out comb and had eggs laid. > > Article 29779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!news-feed1.de1.concert.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:22:38 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9e30nc$o0nu$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990185005 787198 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29779 I normally let it drain\drip until most of it is off. I use the wax in a melter and IF there is left over honey from the drippings depending on the condition I use if for cooking honey. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Miss Pamb" wrote in message news:7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > We have been keeping bees for several years and when we uncapped the > comb we would put the wax outside for the bees to clean up. We noticed > that the bees became more aggressive and seemed to start robbing weaker > hives. Is this so? How do you handle the wax and honey left over from > uncapping? Do you let the bees clean it up or do something else? Do you > ever give the bees honey or is this a big NO-NO? I'd like to know what > you all do. Thanks in advance. > Article 29780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net><9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:07:15 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.244.79 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 990194017 212.137.244.79 (Fri, 18 May 2001 14:53:37 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:53:37 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29780 Tell me more about that worker?? > From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) > Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. > Reply-To: adamf@radix.net > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: 17 May 2001 06:53:30 -0400 > Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! > > In article <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net>, > michael palmer wrote: >> What an ignorant statement. I have trouble believing all the book learned >> beekeepers who haven't got a clue. If it aint in the book they're up the >> creek without a paddle and don't even know it. It takes a lifetime of hands >> on experience to learn bees. Even then, every year is different. Just when >> you think you've got it knocked, everything changes and you realize how much >> more there is to learn. All I can say to the Astromen of this world is "each >> one teach one." > > Sure--the more you spend time with bees the more you realize how little > you really understand them. > > This newsgroup was created so that people could exchange information > about beekeeping: all types. If someone needs help, help them or point > them in the right direction. > > If you want to post on "how clueless" some beginning beekeeprs are, > that's okay too except that you might not become too popular in the > future. > > Everyone has something to learn. This is a nice way to do that. > > I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right > hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Find your sole mate here!! Post your FREE personal ADs here! From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: References: <9drpgu$gnt$1@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:01:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.244.79 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 990193677 212.137.244.79 (Fri, 18 May 2001 14:47:57 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:47:57 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29781 ass'ole mate more like! > From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) > Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. > Reply-To: adamf@radix.net > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: 15 May 2001 13:37:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: Find your sole mate here!! Post your FREE personal ADs here! > > In article , > Richard McClellan wrote: >> Most of my shoes are in pairs, except for an old pair of running shoes that >> the dog buried one of somewhere. Maybe you could find it for me? Then I >> would have a "sole" mate. > > If you like the Beatles, you could have a "Rubber Soul" mate. > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:48:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29782 Some people don't have the luxury of taking a class at a university or anywhere else! I started keeping bees 2 years ago..mainly for pollination of my garden. There are no other beekeepers within 40 miles of my house that I know of. I work with another beekeeper (he's the one that lives 40 miles away) and he has been a great help. Before I got my first hive I borrowed his books and read all I could over the winter. He comes by about once a month to check out my hives...other than that..I'm on my own. I've learned a lot during the past 2 years by checking the hives often and I've spent a lot of time just watching the bees come and go. Sure, I've had problems (who doesn't) but I've been able to overcome the problems with the help of my beekeeping friend and this newsgroup. Just my 2 cents worth... Mr University Man. "Astroman" wrote in message news:EDCM6.4201$rg6.719067@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > great text. > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. > > > Article 29783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Workers laying eggs? From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:10:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.244.79 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 990194214 212.137.244.79 (Fri, 18 May 2001 14:56:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:56:54 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29783 Adam Finkelstein wrote in reply to thread "I can't stand it anymore" > I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right > hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. Now I am a new keeper, but it aint April 1st so can someone explain this phenomenon? Article 29784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news2.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Agroimpex Srl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Presentazione AGROIMPEX S.r.l. Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:55:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.171.142.22 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tin.it X-Trace: news2.tin.it 990194136 212.171.142.22 (Fri, 18 May 2001 15:55:36 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:55:36 MET DST Organization: TIN Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29784 I nostri servizi: Import: animali vivi e carni macellate (Bovini, equini, suini, ovini). Export: materiali edili, attrezzature agricole. Come contattarci Telefono: +39 0481 33333 +39 338 8457382 Fax : +39 0481 33333 Indirizzo postale Via Luigi Cadorna, 22 - 34170 - GORIZIA - ITALY Posta elettronica Vendite e Informazioni generali: agroimpex@tin.it Webmaster: agroimpex@tin.it Article 29785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Cook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Workers laying eggs? Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:02:51 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9e3dgb$b0$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.59.6a X-Server-Date: 18 May 2001 15:01:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29785 All worker bees are female and therefore capable of laying eggs. This generally does not happen in the presence of a laying queen due to inhibitory pheremones. Eggs laid by workers are unfertilized and therefore produce drone offspring. wrote in message news:B72AEBE7.2CE7%macprofessor@ic24.net... > Adam Finkelstein > wrote in reply to thread "I can't stand it anymore" > > > I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right > > hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. > > Now I am a new keeper, but it aint April 1st so can someone explain this > phenomenon? > Article 29786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Date: 18 May 2001 16:11:33 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9e3hjl$d40$0@63.68.70.177> References: <7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.177 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29786 On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:20 -0400 (EDT), pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) wrote: >We have been keeping bees for several years and when we uncapped the >comb we would put the wax outside for the bees to clean up. We noticed >that the bees became more aggressive and seemed to start robbing weaker >hives. Is this so? How do you handle the wax and honey left over from >uncapping? Do you let the bees clean it up or do something else? Do you >ever give the bees honey or is this a big NO-NO? I'd like to know what >you all do. Thanks in advance. > I have read that you can give the supers back to the hives on top of the inner cover and they will clean it out without staring all the robbing. I haven't tried it yet, but plant to this year. -Tim Article 29787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:54:54 -0400 Organization: USDA-ARS-Plant Protection Research Unit Lines: 43 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (mhg3 on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <9e3hjl$d40$0@63.68.70.177> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 990204894 2027 128.253.66.35 (18 May 2001 16:54:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2001 16:54:54 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "R<\sfw5dC!f(q:];s=>0"=u,KfPnt".8B0F9F<=((hJthI8OC_}@b+>5R"9F y9wbEioX8'uXP@J$)C6w^O,/zgQhamJ/9MU"I|JLhf"haJt~!)}@U[VH!V*S1r7y^o#r nM6D8!hRa0P{x^Q(/ac~iP\@j>H:KM Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29787 In article <9e3hjl$d40$0@63.68.70.177>, tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: >On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:20 -0400 (EDT), pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) >wrote: > >>We have been keeping bees for several years and when we uncapped the >>comb we would put the wax outside for the bees to clean up. We noticed >>that the bees became more aggressive and seemed to start robbing weaker >>hives. Is this so? How do you handle the wax and honey left over from >>uncapping? Do you let the bees clean it up or do something else? Do you >>ever give the bees honey or is this a big NO-NO? I'd like to know what >>you all do. Thanks in advance. >> > >I have read that you can give the supers back to the hives on top of >the inner cover and they will clean it out without staring all the >robbing. I haven't tried it yet, but plant to this year. > >-Tim Have you ever seen how brittle and dry the comb is at the start of the year when you take it out of storage? The wax sublimes or drys and the slightest bump crumbles sections. I prefer to protect my wax and stockpile a slight amount of feeding for when I replace the supers in the spring. To accomplish this I store my final extracted boxes without letting the bees reclean them. The coating of honey (usually crystalizes as it is Goldenrod in Central NY) protects the wax from becoming frail over the dry cold months and when I return them to the bees of spring they get the few lbs of feed. Of course one must be carefull for the potential of spreading AFB. I was skeptical on the above scenario until I stored one stack wet and the adjacent dry (recleaned above the hives in fall). One last consideration is to properly store your boxes as the extra food is potentially an attractant for other scavengers, mice and bugs. Mike Article 29788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 May 2001 20:34:02 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Message-ID: <20010518163402.08109.00000371@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29788 I prefer to protect my wax and stockpile a slight amount of feeding for when I replace the supers in the spring. To accomplish this I store my final extracted boxes without letting the bees reclean them. The coating of honey (usually crystalizes as it is Goldenrod in Central NY) protects the wax from becoming frail over the dry cold months and when I return them to the bees of spring they get the few lbs of feed. Of course one must be carefull for the potential of spreading AFB. Down here in the south, if you put you boxes up "wet" you get mold in return. The comb doesn't get brittle either. Probably the 100 % humidity we have. As always beekeeping is different everywhere. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <21039-3B056EA8-12@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <9e3hjl$d40$0@63.68.70.177> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQZ9eWmXPIAEOaYFnhBaCJkx4XPIwIVAMRB0I+XVkx5F13i2+GZgdIpUqIy Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29789 Thanks, but I was referring to the wax we collect from the uncapping. I have extra honey I call "slag" because it's nothing I would want to sale. Bee Keeper had a good suggestion about using the honey for cooking. I'll have to try that. Last year I acquired a little cooler that had a clear plastic top and a black interior. I put wax in the box in the sun and let it run through a strainer to filter out trash and collected over a pound of wax. I stored that in the freezer. I plan to melt the excess wax in my little "solar box" this year, too. I've read that beeswax can be used to wax furniture and for candle-making. Any other ideas for using the wax? Mainly, I was wondering if anyone else noticed the bad mood the bees get into if they are allowed to clean up wax set out for them. Thanks yall for helping. Article 29790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.132.159!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:30:34 -0500 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.132.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990221436 1091681 216.167.132.159 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29790 Astroman ejaculates: >I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so >little. It's only my second year beekeeping That's hard to tell as you seem so knowledgable. However, it's like this: keeping bees, is not a rational thing at all. Any long term beekeeper whether they're a commercial operation or just keep a few hives, will tell you they keep bees because they want to keep bees, and this means that the bees are really keeping them. Beekeepers being born and not made, it is not important that they study the ways of modern beekeeping. You can put a swarm in a box and it will make beautiful comb on a diagonal (I don't know why) to the inside of the box all well attached to the top of the box in shapely rows, brood in the center, honey and pollen on the outside. They did that without any knowledge from the beekeeper. This business of standardization of hive boxes and frames is a convenience to the beekeeper as you already know, and the discovery of how that worked and centrifugal honey extraction was a big help in improving honey production, and making life easier for the beekeeper. I'm not so sure it's been that good for the bees. Then Adam Finkelstein said: >I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right >hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. So the news is out, workers produce their own drones while the queen can get on with making more workers, is this what your observation told you? I got to see last year something I thought I would never see, a 'queen' flight went past my backyard; several hundred drones moving stately along in a little cloud, resplendent in their high droneish voices. I didn't see the queen, but knew she was there because I read it in a book. C.K. Article 29791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.132.159!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:51:29 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.132.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990222691 1035810 216.167.132.159 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29791 >Dear Me > Please tell an ignorant Englishman why the Texas panhandle >is so called surely its the Oklahoma panhandle? > All the Best. > Mike Smith. You have to look at the map Mike they both have panhandles..look vvvvvery carefully. Now young Mark there who said he's at the base of the Panhandle meaning the Texas Panhandle, is not in the panhandle at all, but really in West Texas, but not as west as you might think if you saw the map. In fact he's still hundreds of miles from far west Texas like he's hundreds of miles south of the Panhandle. People in the Texas Panhandle like to describe themselves as being in West Texas too, meaning they're west of Dallas, but they're really not in west texas at all, but north texas. They will nonetheless argue with you by pointing to the fact that there's a local college called West Texas State, then it dawns on you when you realize this college is part of the Texas A&M 'system' of regional colleges. They could have named West Texas State, North Texas State, but that already existed near Dallas, in East Texas. C.K. C.K. Article 29792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:41:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3b05b30a.218442909@news1.radix.net> References: <7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29792 On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:20 -0400 (EDT), pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) wrote: >We have been keeping bees for several years and when we uncapped the >comb we would put the wax outside for the bees to clean up. We noticed >that the bees became more aggressive and seemed to start robbing weaker >hives. Is this so? How do you handle the wax and honey left over from >uncapping? Do you let the bees clean it up or do something else? Do you >ever give the bees honey or is this a big NO-NO? I'd like to know what >you all do. Thanks in advance. > Maybe you should buy a cappings spinner? beekeep Article 29793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <22243-3B05E9B6-78@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <21039-3B056EA8-12@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAiNfBFQwbk9ZiZHsOK8ngMViqC/gCFQCRD0/9vSk0kT6QlTgxpSd3amQEJQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29793 Earlier I said: "Bee Keeper had a good suggestion about using the honey for cooking. I'll have to try that." I should have said "Bee Farmer". Excuse me. Thanks, again. Article 29794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Astroman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:48:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 990244105 24.66.69.64 (Fri, 18 May 2001 20:48:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:48:25 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29794 That made no sense what so ever. It seems we lost the point of the original post a long long time ago...... "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:qg3bgt8gc5cqe64b6b7nvduftnm6rggicl@4ax.com... > Astroman ejaculates: > > >I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > >little. It's only my second year beekeeping > > That's hard to tell as you seem so knowledgable. However, it's like > this: keeping bees, is not a rational thing at all. Any long term > beekeeper whether they're a commercial operation or just keep a few > hives, will tell you they keep bees because they want to keep bees, > and this means that the bees are really keeping them. > > Beekeepers being born and not made, it is not important that they > study the ways of modern beekeeping. You can put a swarm in a box and > it will make beautiful comb on a diagonal (I don't know why) to the > inside of the box all well attached to the top of the box in shapely > rows, brood in the center, honey and pollen on the outside. They did > that without any knowledge from the beekeeper. > > This business of standardization of hive boxes and frames is a > convenience to the beekeeper as you already know, and the discovery of > how that worked and centrifugal honey extraction was a big help in > improving honey production, and making life easier for the beekeeper. > I'm not so sure it's been that good for the bees. > > Then Adam Finkelstein said: > > >I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completly queen-right > >hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my whole week. > > So the news is out, workers produce their own drones while the queen > can get on with making more workers, is this what your observation > told you? > > I got to see last year something I thought I would never see, a > 'queen' flight went past my backyard; several hundred drones moving > stately along in a little cloud, resplendent in their high droneish > voices. I didn't see the queen, but knew she was there because I read > it in a book. > > C.K. Article 29795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Astroman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:57:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 990244650 24.66.69.64 (Fri, 18 May 2001 20:57:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:57:30 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29795 It seems I've offended you, when your not even that target of my original comments. I never meant to imply a course was needed before, it's very obvious that it's impossible for the majority of people, but picking up a book or browsing a few sites isn't. You made the effort to gain a small amount of knowledge before jumping in, that's all my point was. "Mr. Dixon" wrote in message news:tgaa3m86h5tec3@corp.supernews.com... > Some people don't have the luxury of taking a class at a university or > anywhere else! I started keeping bees 2 years ago..mainly for pollination > of my garden. There are no other beekeepers within 40 miles of my house > that I know of. I work with another beekeeper (he's the one that lives 40 > miles away) and he has been a great help. Before I got my first hive I > borrowed his books and read all I could over the winter. He comes by about > once a month to check out my hives...other than that..I'm on my own. I've > learned a lot during the past 2 years by checking the hives often and I've > spent a lot of time just watching the bees come and go. Sure, I've had > problems (who doesn't) but I've been able to overcome the problems with the > help of my beekeeping friend and this newsgroup. > Just my 2 cents worth... Mr University Man. > "Astroman" wrote in message > news:EDCM6.4201$rg6.719067@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > > great text. > > > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > Article 29796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Astroman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:05:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 990245134 24.66.69.64 (Fri, 18 May 2001 21:05:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:05:34 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29796 "book learned" yes, at least they've learned something, BEFOREHAND! You people missed my point completely. "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net... > What an ignorant statement. I have trouble believing all the book learned > beekeepers who haven't got a clue. If it aint in the book they're up the > creek without a paddle and don't even know it. It takes a lifetime of hands > on experience to learn bees. Even then, every year is different. Just when > you think you've got it knocked, everything changes and you realize how much > more there is to learn. All I can say to the Astromen of this world is "each > one teach one." > Mike > > Astroman wrote: > > > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > > great text. > > > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. > > > Article 29797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:51:20 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.142.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 990262281 212.126.142.156 (Sat, 19 May 2001 09:51:21 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:51:21 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29797 Hi Charlie Sorry to be O.T. again and I don't want to be the Weakest Link, but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma Panhandle on my maps.Please name a town in the Texas Panhandle so I can pinpoint it, or a web site that clearly shows it, and I can see as you say West Texas is really North Texas but who am I to argue with a Texan Native? All the Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Farnham Astro Society. http://www.farnhamas.plus.com/ "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:mc5bgtcrhgvqqb8jb89gr82r6e1ik47bve@4ax.com... > >Dear Me > > Please tell an ignorant Englishman why the Texas panhandle > >is so called surely its the Oklahoma panhandle? > > All the Best. > > Mike Smith. > > You have to look at the map Mike they both have panhandles..look > vvvvvery carefully. > > Now young Mark there who said he's at the base of the Panhandle > meaning the Texas Panhandle, is not in the panhandle at all, but > really in West Texas, but not as west as you might think if you saw > the map. In fact he's still hundreds of miles from far west Texas > like he's hundreds of miles south of the Panhandle. People in the > Texas Panhandle like to describe themselves as being in West Texas > too, meaning they're west of Dallas, but they're really not in west > texas at all, but north texas. They will nonetheless argue with you by > pointing to the fact that there's a local college called West Texas > State, then it dawns on you when you realize this college is part of > the Texas A&M 'system' of regional colleges. They could have named > West Texas State, North Texas State, but that already existed near > Dallas, in East Texas. > > C.K. > > C.K. Article 29798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 May 2001 12:20:23 GMT References: <9e3dgb$b0$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Workers laying eggs? Message-ID: <20010519082023.09544.00000246@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29798 Mark it and see if the worker layed egg in the queenright hive gets raised to maturity or culled by the nurse bees. Article 29799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ddodd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:27:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.179.32.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc2.tx.home.com 990286036 24.179.32.122 (Sat, 19 May 2001 08:27:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:27:16 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29799 Hi, I lived on Old Station Rd in Poway and had three hives in my backyard. I'm in Dallas now w/o bees. Dan "Dave" wrote in message news:WvFK6.7339$vf6.661682@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > I'm not sure about ahb or varroa. I doubt ahb as the hives are very, very > tame and easy to work with. I live in Poway, CA a suburb or San Diego. > > Dave > > "Teri Bachus" wrote in message > news:tfm5a02k2nh4de@corp.supernews.com... > > where are you located (any ahb?)...is that varroa on the upper abdomen of > > the lowest-left bee in the picture? > > > > > > > > Article 29800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Annual Purge From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 43 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:45:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990287132 198.161.229.190 (Sat, 19 May 2001 09:45:32 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:45:32 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29800 The annual subscription renewal at BEE-L is now over and the current number of BEE-L subscribers is about 650. This number is lowest right after the annual purge of old accounts and usually runs about 1000 members for the rest of the year. The purge, although it is a bit of a nuisance, is necessary on an email list since -- unlike USENET which only sends out headers or messages to a subscriber when requested -- the LISTSERV service sends every message in entirety to every subscriber. Over time, old, abandoned and defunct addresses accumulate, wasting resources. There are costs involved in hosting such a service, even though it is entirely free to the users. By requiring users to re-subscribe, the list owner can also be assured that those on the list want to be there and are reading the messages. To those who may be reading this message on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, and who may not be familiar with BEE-L, please visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ and take a look. You can either read messages there via a web interface, or subscribe to receive all the messages in your email. Email subscriptions can be Regular (realtime), Digest (traditional), or Index (HTML format). The first option, regular, may send you up to 20 messages a day and is handy if you like to engage in debate and hate to wait even a few hours for the next message. The latter two are better if you like to lurk. I recommend the Index (HTML format) option if you are on a connection that can stay connected while you read. If you read offline, choose the one of the digest options. You can experiment and change your delivery method from the above page as often as you like. You can have multiple subscriptions ate multiple addresses. The entire historical discussion is available message by message on the web, also from that same page -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/. There is a very advanced search engine on the site and after a bit of study, complex searches can be made on any topic, or on the articles by any one author. 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Use the information there with discretion -- and enjoy. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 29801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!216.234.218.45.gilanet.com From: "David Jordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killer Bees Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:04:42 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3b069abc.0@oracle.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 990288058 19809 204.134.124.52 (19 May 2001 16:00:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2001 16:00:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29801 I called the local Dept. of Ag. inspector and he told me my county (Catron, NM) is listed as a killer bee county. There was one stinging incedent 2 years ago but no bees were recovered to check out so they labeled it as a killer bee attack. Should I put a queen excluder on the hive entrance to keep a killer bee queen from entering my hive? Or should I just leave things be. The other counties labled as "killer" are about 200+ miles to the south and I live WAY up in the mountains. David Article 29802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!216.234.218.45.gilanet.com From: "David Jordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:11:14 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3b069c40.0@oracle.zianet.com> References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 990288446 19820 204.134.124.52 (19 May 2001 16:07:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2001 16:07:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29802 It points north instead of OK's pointing west. It is wider. It is a wider strip than OK's and Amarillo is the largest city in the Texas pan handle. Hope this helps. David A Native New Mexican Mike Smith wrote in message news:duqN6.6401$ML4.447704@nnrp4.clara.net... > Hi Charlie > Sorry to be O.T. again and I don't want to be the Weakest > Link, but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma Panhandle > on my maps.Please name a town in the Texas Panhandle so I can pinpoint it, > or a web site that clearly shows it, and I can see as you say West Texas is > really North Texas but who am I to argue with a Texan Native? > All the Best. > Mike Smith. > Beginners Astronomy. > http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ > Farnham Astro Society. > http://www.farnhamas.plus.com/ > "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message > news:mc5bgtcrhgvqqb8jb89gr82r6e1ik47bve@4ax.com... > > >Dear Me > > > Please tell an ignorant Englishman why the Texas > panhandle > > >is so called surely its the Oklahoma panhandle? > > > All the Best. > > > Mike Smith. > > > > You have to look at the map Mike they both have panhandles..look > > vvvvvery carefully. > > > > Now young Mark there who said he's at the base of the Panhandle > > meaning the Texas Panhandle, is not in the panhandle at all, but > > really in West Texas, but not as west as you might think if you saw > > the map. In fact he's still hundreds of miles from far west Texas > > like he's hundreds of miles south of the Panhandle. People in the > > Texas Panhandle like to describe themselves as being in West Texas > > too, meaning they're west of Dallas, but they're really not in west > > texas at all, but north texas. They will nonetheless argue with you by > > pointing to the fact that there's a local college called West Texas > > State, then it dawns on you when you realize this college is part of > > the Texas A&M 'system' of regional colleges. They could have named > > West Texas State, North Texas State, but that already existed near > > Dallas, in East Texas. > > > > C.K. > > > > C.K. > > Article 29803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jessieannshoney@msn.com (morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mouldy hive Date: 19 May 2001 10:15:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <5rCM6.84$D91.5008@news2-hme0> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.40.68.89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 990292534 3082 127.0.0.1 (19 May 2001 17:15:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 2001 17:15:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29803 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:<5rCM6.84$D91.5008@news2-hme0>... > The appalling weather and a weak colony is probably the cause. > > Good idea to sterilise the combs with acetic acid before giving to another > colony (1/4 pint of 80% acid on a pad of rags on top of the combs - seal the > box for a week, then air it well before giving back to the bees - be careful > with the acid as it can cause severe burns if spilt on your skin). > > ."Rob Graham" wrote in message > news:tg0ahgnr59u03b@corp.supernews.co.uk... > > Never met this before in nearly 40 years of low level beekeeping - opened > up > > one of my 4 hives for its first visit this year, no bees flying from this > > one, to find that it had significant quantity of mildew in the hive - > sheets > > of white mould. What has gone wrong and is it just mildew or some mould > > more serious? If I move some of the less seriously affected combs to > other > > hives will the bees clean them up or will I just be moving the mould there > ? > > > > Rob > > Scotland > > > >this natural for a hive with bo bees the mold is called bloom the bees will clean it up thats their job relax morris Article 29804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:20:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.179 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990292857 198.161.229.179 (Sat, 19 May 2001 11:20:57 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:20:57 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29804 I read both the articles and found them to be quite objective and not negative towards bees. The reports merely showed that the *neighbours* were negative towards bees and the articles reported what the local officials said, as well as the beekeeper's comment that there was a mistake that was being corrected quickly. While I don't like the message, I don't blame the messenger. If the media stirred this thing up, it is not obvious from either article. I see no signs of hysteria on their part. I think that this is an opportunity for some smart beekeeper to get down there with some honey and do a little missionary work. These media people are not against us, but they might be a little less friendly if they thought we were calling them down. On the other hand, if they had a few good experiences with bees, they could help. The media are hungry for good video every day. If some smart, capable, and diplomatic beekeeper offered to take them to a yard to see what we do, and bundled them safely up in suits and veils or let them shoot from a closed vehicle, we could have some new friends that could come in very handy from time to time -- and regular clips on the news that are favourable to beekeeping. Just because they had something about a beekeeper a year ago does not mean they wouldn't do it again today. Newspeople need to eat every day. My windsurfing club gets them out several times a year on differnt pretexts to shoot members jumping, racing and looping. It *always* makes the six o'clock. It never fails to get good press. Beekeepers seem just as daring and fascinating to the public. We're always news. It is up to us to make sure it is good news and that we are heros, not villains. allen Article 29805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <74AL6.10639$vf6.1135077@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <20010513200915.04850.00003535@ng-ct1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:01:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 990302482 65.13.109.136 (Sat, 19 May 2001 13:01:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:01:22 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29805 I have been reading and now understand how to see robbing. They were in fact being robbed. I made an entrance reducer and that seem to help a lot. The bees can now protect their entrance. Thanks again for the advice. Dave "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010513200915.04850.00003535@ng-ct1.aol.com... > Look at the big eyes or a drone larvae and compare it to a worker larvae. > If you watch the bees you can tell if there is robbing. > Robbers fly more in a serpentine and foragers fly straight in. > > > > > > > Article 29806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!bill.mundy From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Message-ID: <990300514@zbee.com> Lines: 19 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 c0116e82 REPLY: 240:44/0 501e1373 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(999) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:50:00 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 990303333 194.112.43.78 (Sat, 19 May 2001 21:15:33 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:15:33 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29806 You suggest to Miss Pamb she buys a Wax Spinner. A verysound idea but I always let my bees have the wet cappings back on their hives same as with superas - no robbing. As I have nlost the original enquiriers details I am replying to you inmthe hope she reads it. I have made a boc. same size as super with holes drilled in base to allow bees access and I then put the cappings in this, put it on top of hive, under the lid and hey-presto, the bees clean it up dry. Well worth a try/ William --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) Article 29807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Don't Buy any Queens From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:53:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.181 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 990309220 198.161.229.181 (Sat, 19 May 2001 15:53:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:53:40 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29807 UNLESS they are hygienic. Non-hygienic queens are now passé. Nobody should have to put up with queens that lack this essential characteristic and the consequent economic losses that result from AFB and chalkbrood. The hygienic characteristic can be easily selected in any strain of bees and can become very strong in only a few generations. NO important characteristics are lost in the selection, but the resulting bees can drastically reduce losses and management problems caused by bee diseases. Demand hygienic queens from your supplier and make sure your suppliers are serious about breeding for this trait. Ask questions. Listen to the answers. Don't take no for an answer. Buy where you *can* get straight answers and hygienic queens. I have put an article with illustrations and instructions for hygienic testing at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm to show how easy and obvious the test is. You can test the queens you buy. If everyone demands this trait, it will not be long until it becomes predominant in all bees, both domestic and feral, and the current worries about diseases should diminish substantially. allen --- Cross country skiing is great if you live in a small country. -- Steven Wright Article 29808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Comb between the frames Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:59:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29808 I checked my hives today. They've been there 3 weeks. One hive was looking fine. The other had comb build sideways between 3 of the foundations. Are they too far apart? Why did the bees do that? Also, 3 of the frames had slipped off the rest on one end. Any ideas why? Bees certainly can't push the frames, wind can't get there... what happened? Some of the cells had a dark orange substance in them. Is that pollen? Final question. The bees are drawing comb fine, but why isn't the top of the comb level. I hold a frame up and the top of the comb is wavy. Is that because all frames started as foundation thereby not given the bees an upper limit for building? I understand some people resent questions from someone just starting, but I can't find these answers in the literature I have. Thanks, Taylor Article 29809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 46 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 May 2001 00:16:42 GMT References: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Comb between the frames Message-ID: <20010519201642.11342.00000478@ng-mp1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29809 >I checked my hives today. They've been there 3 weeks. One hive was >looking fine. The other had comb build sideways between 3 of the >foundations. Are they too far apart? Why did the bees do that? Yes, they were probably too far apart, but maybe not. Bees sometimes just do whatever the hell it is they want to do. Mostly you do the right thing and pray the bees do to. > >Also, 3 of the frames had slipped off the rest on one end. Any ideas >why? Bees certainly can't push the frames, wind can't get there... what >happened? Although bees are small they do have some weight, especially hundreds and thousands. When the hang out to draw the comb their weight can pull the frames in some directions. Just fix em they'll fine for now. Thats why alot of propolis and beeswax on the ledges can be a good thing sometimes. >Some of the cells had a dark orange substance in them. Is that pollen? Yes. If it is pollen it will be packed down inside the cell like a little pellet. >Final question. The bees are drawing comb fine, but why isn't the top >of the comb level. I hold a frame up and the top of the comb is wavy. >Is that because all frames started as foundation thereby not given the >bees an upper limit for building? No just give them time. They will eventually draw them out. They are probably not through with the frame. They will draw out each side of the frame til they reach "bee space between them. (should) > >I understand some people resent questions from someone just starting, >but I can't find these answers in the literature I have. Hey. If you are going to resent questions then why would you want to discuss beekeeping anyway. It's no fun if you know everything. There are no dumb questions...the path to enlightenment is filled with varying degrees of difficulty (Does that sound philosophical?) Oh well I tried. Happy Beekeeping and safe memorial day. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_TEN6.17230$iC1.631785@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:14:34 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-wJBofkuyP1lsWoNP9VeE3Bl6Nm+7jd4CVGQrVrrxLwRssxnmKoSGwbsTyqUmrV9fxsP0aKpjnnzyBZT!ANALQpZER0MKeAWFc4TLK3bwo1TNMJ4biTcY2m79JOhmufCBcLUMmP7ebO/ux1Yxh2UpQGcdAHRn!gg4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:16:30 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29810 "Mike Smith" wrote in message news:duqN6.6401$ML4.447704@nnrp4.clara.net... > Hi Charlie > Sorry to be O.T. again and I don't want to be the Weakest > Link, but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma Panhandle > on my maps.Please name a town in the Texas Panhandle so I can pinpoint it, > or a web site that clearly shows it, and I can see as you say West Texas is > really North Texas but who am I to argue with a Texan Native? Hey Mike: Your assignment, should you decide to accept it, is to now try to find the panhandle in the states of Idaho, Florida, Alaska and Missouri. :-) Skip -- Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 29811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B074315.E6B89CBB@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <_TEN6.17230$iC1.631785@news6.giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:07:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 990323896 208.235.28.16 (Sat, 19 May 2001 21:58:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:58:16 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29811 The Rock Garden wrote: > > "Mike Smith" wrote in message > news:duqN6.6401$ML4.447704@nnrp4.clara.net... > > Hi Charlie > > Sorry to be O.T. again and I don't want to be the Weakest > > Link, but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma > Panhandle > > on my maps.Please name a town in the Texas Panhandle so I can pinpoint > it, > > or a web site that clearly shows it, and I can see as you say West Texas > is > > really North Texas but who am I to argue with a Texan Native? > > Hey Mike: > > Your assignment, should you decide to accept it, is to now try to find the > panhandle in the states of Idaho, Florida, Alaska and Missouri. :-) > > Skip That Missouri thing is referred to as the "boot heel". AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 29812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Glaenzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:17:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <_TEN6.17230$iC1.631785@news6.giganews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 47 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29812 in Missouri it's called the 'bootheel'; however, there is one in Nebraska if you desire extra credit bonus question: What three state are bounded by straight lines only? "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:_TEN6.17230$iC1.631785@news6.giganews.com... > > > "Mike Smith" wrote in message > news:duqN6.6401$ML4.447704@nnrp4.clara.net... > > Hi Charlie > > Sorry to be O.T. again and I don't want to be the Weakest > > Link, but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma > Panhandle > > on my maps.Please name a town in the Texas Panhandle so I can pinpoint > it, > > or a web site that clearly shows it, and I can see as you say West Texas > is > > really North Texas but who am I to argue with a Texan Native? > > > Hey Mike: > > Your assignment, should you decide to accept it, is to now try to find the > panhandle in the states of Idaho, Florida, Alaska and Missouri. :-) > > Skip > > > -- > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > Article 29813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: HRogers000@aol.com (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb between the frames Date: 19 May 2001 19:57:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2913db3d.0105191857.210c8807@posting.google.com> References: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.195.202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 990327424 18044 127.0.0.1 (20 May 2001 02:57:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2001 02:57:04 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29813 Taylor Francis wrote in message news:<3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com>... ****************************************************************** Howdy Taylor -- Yes your frames are probably too far apart. Remember to use 10 frames crowded together, leaving equal space on each side. The bees will do this occasionally with any type foundation. It happens very frequently if Duragilt is used. Vibration caused by cars and trucks happens often if the hives are near a road or highway. After the bees glue the frames in with propolis this will not happen. Your wavey combs may be from bowed foundation or not being drawn out faster in some sections of the frame than in others. The bees make it OK unless the foundation is bowed, then some cells will be shallow. Ask your questions Taylor. The answers will differ, but you will learn a lot. People have different ideas and different amounts of expserience. Pete ****************************************************** Article 29814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <_TEN6.17230$iC1.631785@news6.giganews.com> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1LGN6.17352$iC1.638606@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:21:33 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-IH37QcxtHthbx/aact5HKnE+K3a/17vRBnXPMBQScxZ23tjbQlXhRaYve1wgpyrDPjN4KwoxPzUg2EE!z/LsdzpFh3SpwAikjLWvQf7sYxyLi/eHOAxkHXU1gSJ7YJqjeqSNbEVukv5KGZq5fu5c4OUNZDXg!8Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:23:30 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29814 "Gary Glaenzer" wrote in message news:tgea579ctvqjec@corp.supernews.com... > in Missouri it's called the 'bootheel'; however, there is one in Nebraska if > you desire extra credit > > bonus question: > > What three state are bounded by straight lines only? Geeze, I didn't know there was going to be an exam... :-) OK, without trying to find my atlas, Wyoming is a gimme. The other two have to be Colorado and either Utah or New Mexico. BTW, one of my sergeants in the army insisted that he was from the Missouri "panhandle." Skip -- Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 29815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Glaenzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:12:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> <_TEN6.17230$iC1.631785@news6.giganews.com> <1LGN6.17352$iC1.638606@news6.giganews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 45 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29815 Utah is # 3. New Mexico has a little bit of river for a border where the Rio Grande exits the state near El Paso, TX "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:1LGN6.17352$iC1.638606@news6.giganews.com... > > > "Gary Glaenzer" wrote in message > news:tgea579ctvqjec@corp.supernews.com... > > in Missouri it's called the 'bootheel'; however, there is one in Nebraska > if > > you desire extra credit > > > > bonus question: > > > > What three state are bounded by straight lines only? > > > Geeze, I didn't know there was going to be an exam... :-) > > OK, without trying to find my atlas, Wyoming is a gimme. The other two have > to be Colorado and either Utah or New Mexico. > > BTW, one of my sergeants in the army insisted that he was from the Missouri > "panhandle." > > Skip > > > -- > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > Article 29816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'The Insect Classifieds' - Photo Edition Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 04:14:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.33.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 990332049 209.179.33.217 (Sat, 19 May 2001 21:14:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:14:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:12:26 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29816 Try our free ads. Buy, sell, trade entomological specimens and related items. Fully automated! Now with photo uploads. http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Article 29817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb between the frames Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:37:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3b07ab4c.347534758@news1.radix.net> References: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29817 On Sat, 19 May 2001 17:59:25 -0500, Taylor Francis wrote: >I checked my hives today. They've been there 3 weeks. One hive was >looking fine. The other had comb build sideways between 3 of the >foundations. Are they too far apart? Yes. > Why did the bees do that? Because you left the frames too far apart. > >Also, 3 of the frames had slipped off the rest on one end. Any ideas >why? Bees certainly can't push the frames, wind can't get there... what >happened? Gravity! > >Some of the cells had a dark orange substance in them. Is that pollen? Yes. >Final question. The bees are drawing comb fine, but why isn't the top >of the comb level. I hold a frame up and the top of the comb is wavy. >Is that because all frames started as foundation thereby not given the >bees an upper limit for building? The frame doesn't have a top bar? > >I understand some people resent questions from someone just starting, >but I can't find these answers in the literature I have. Then try that building down the street called a library. > >Thanks, >Taylor beekeep Article 29818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: 20 May 2001 09:59:23 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9e8ijr$9vs$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29818 In article , wrote: >Tell me more about that worker?? I can't tell you much. Seeing a worker bee laying in a queen-right hive suggests the validity of some interesting eusocial insect origin/evolution theories. The bee's sisters and super-sisters will just eat the egg. However, probably in some case the egg would develop into a small drone. It's unknown what would happen then. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: 20 May 2001 10:18:06 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9e8jmu$b84$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29819 Charlie Kroeger wrote: >So the news is out, workers produce their own drones while the queen >can get on with making more workers, is this what your observation >told you? No. My observation corroborated the concept that the queen is not the sole driving force in eusocial evolution. Is the queen running the colony or are the workers ( with similar and differing patrilines )running the colony in a selective context. Who is making the colony produce new bees for who? A worker laying in a perfectly queen-right colony shows that workers still lay eggs and that there is not *complete* control over the workers, by the queen as the mandibular and tergal pheromone models of queen behavior would state-- Seeing a worker lay an egg demonstrates that the logical theory has some very big exceptions. That was biology in my face. It gave me great pleasure. Metaphorically, there's never really a single answer or solution to a problem, and that's nice to experience, out in the bee yard. Charlie Kroeger writes: >I got to see last year something I thought I would never see, a >'queen' flight went past my backyard; several hundred drones moving >stately along in a little cloud, resplendent in their high droneish >voices. I didn't see the queen, but knew she was there because I read >it in a book. That's really fantastic! You were lucky to experience that. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <9e8ijr$9vs$1@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 36 Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:42:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990369736 198.161.229.186 (Sun, 20 May 2001 08:42:16 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 08:42:16 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29820 >I can't tell you much. Seeing a worker bee laying in a queen-right hive >suggests the validity of some interesting eusocial insect >origin/evolution theories. There is some current and past discussion of this on BEE-L. Apparently workers laying eggs is not uncommon in Africanized bees. I passed on your observation on BEE-L and here is some of what resulted: ----- > > > I saw a worker laying an egg the other day. In a completely > > > queen-right hive with a healthy, fecund queen. That made my > > > whole week. > This was discussed several years ago on this list. It was under drones > above the excluder. There is research to show that workers do lay eggs > and, naturally, they become drones. They are drones in worker cells and > not in drone cells which would stand to reason... True, and the same topic came up recently in a different context when we mentioned a report given by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman at the ABF in San Diego. That particular BEE-L post is at http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0104D&L=bee-l&D=0&P=2999 (Hope the URL does not wrap) If I remember correctly, she indicated that small groups of Africanized workers had been observed to invade European hives and lay eggs that developed into queens and took over the hive. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --- A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James Article 29821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:30:01 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <9e8jmu$b84$1@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbdPttNX/pbYcYAVWOsmp2ASoVhJrfUrjpoxWAyFe+IilPYDI3povz8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2001 16:31:25 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29821 > From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) > A worker laying in a perfectly queen-right colony shows that workers still lay > eggs and that there is not *complete* control over the workers, by the queen > as the mandibular and tergal pheromone models of queen behavior would state-- This is true and should be expected as there is no *complete* or *100%* in all of nature. Regrads, Barry Article 29822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.dwave.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> <3b07ab4c.347534758@news1.radix.net> Subject: Frame Spacers Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:32:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3b07f2b8$0$320$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: b6ad07a8.news.dwave.net X-Trace: 990376633 gemini.dwave.net 320 206.176.215.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@dwave.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29822 Greetings to all! I had purchased some frame spacers and decided to make a couple boxes with 9 frames instead of 10. I just put them on a few days ago, is this ok or is it to much of space and they would make comb between frames? Thank you for the help, Fr. Athanasios Article 29823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> <3b07ab4c.347534758@news1.radix.net> <3b07f2b8$0$320$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> Subject: Re: Frame Spacers Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:43:34 -0700 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-157.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b081d5c@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 20 May 2001 12:39:08 -0700, tc1-157.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-157.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29823 Quite a few of the commercial apiarists here use 9 (or sometimes 8) instead of 10. It makes it easier to scootch them aside when you want to pull frames. I hear it also makes the bees draw out a little deeper so you get more honey per cell. I stick with 10 myself, but then, what do I know? ken Fr-Athanasios wrote 9 >frames instead of 10. I just put them on >a few days ago, is this ok or is it to much >of space and they would make comb >between frames? > > Article 29824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0378.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:10:53 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0378.nts-online.net (216.167.132.123) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990389455 1807961 216.167.132.123 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29824 > but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma Panhandle >on my maps Hummm you wouldn't be funnin' me would you mike? Do you play darts and hang around with Welshmen? C.K. Article 29825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Rawson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any equipment for sale - UK Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:01:20 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9e97q2$4l1$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.cadmium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 990388866 4769 62.136.39.151 (20 May 2001 20:01:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2001 20:01:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29825 Anyone in the north of England selling up and wishes to sell their bee keepinmg equpiment to a keen newcomer to the "art". Please contact richard@rawsonpottery.fsnet.co.uk Many thanks Article 29826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-002cocsprp137.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Placement o' Honey Super Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:56:22 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.85.ac.c9 X-Server-Date: 20 May 2001 22:56:12 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29826 Greetings, all... I'm curious... Is is a mistake to place a medium super with wax foundation for cut-comb honey BETWEEN the two deeps in order to get the girls working at drawing comb? My plan is to remove it in several days (before the comb is fully drawn and the queen can begin laying there), and put it on top of the two deeps. We just have one hive in our backyard, so it won't create a lot of extra work for us. Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:03:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 990399817 24.167.5.152 (Sun, 20 May 2001 18:03:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:03:37 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29827 Allen, You really had to see the video to get a good idea of the sensationalism of the reports. My comments are at: http://beetalk.tripod.com/news_media.htm Robert "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns90A67398269B2allendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > I read both the articles and found them to be quite objective and not > negative towards bees. > > The reports merely showed that the *neighbours* were negative towards bees > and the articles reported what the local officials said, as well as the > beekeeper's comment that there was a mistake that was being corrected > quickly. > > While I don't like the message, I don't blame the messenger. If the media > stirred this thing up, it is not obvious from either article. I see no > signs of hysteria on their part. > > I think that this is an opportunity for some smart beekeeper to get down > there with some honey and do a little missionary work. These media people > are not against us, but they might be a little less friendly if they > thought we were calling them down. On the other hand, if they had a few > good experiences with bees, they could help. > > The media are hungry for good video every day. If some smart, capable, and > diplomatic beekeeper offered to take them to a yard to see what we do, and > bundled them safely up in suits and veils or let them shoot from a closed > vehicle, we could have some new friends that could come in very handy from > time to time -- and regular clips on the news that are favourable to > beekeeping. > > Just because they had something about a beekeeper a year ago does not mean > they wouldn't do it again today. Newspeople need to eat every day. My > windsurfing club gets them out several times a year on differnt pretexts to > shoot members jumping, racing and looping. It *always* makes the six > o'clock. It never fails to get good press. > > Beekeepers seem just as daring and fascinating to the public. We're always > news. It is up to us to make sure it is good news and that we are heros, > not villains. > > allen Article 29828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Placement o' Honey Super Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <4cjggt83i7f4nccsg0me61h27efpbpl7kk@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:13:36 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.224.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 990400586 62.255.224.37 (Mon, 21 May 2001 00:16:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:16:26 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29828 On Sun, 20 May 2001 16:56:22 -0700, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >Greetings, all... > >I'm curious... > >Is is a mistake to place a medium super with wax foundation for cut-comb >honey BETWEEN the two deeps in order to get the girls working at drawing >comb? My plan is to remove it in several days (before the comb is fully >drawn and the queen can begin laying there), and put it on top of the two >deeps. > >We just have one hive in our backyard, so it won't create a lot of extra >work for us. > If it doesn't entail splitting the brood nest, it should be ok, but I would put it on top, myself (with a Q.excluder in place), and maybe give them some syrup, so they have plenty of food to convert to wax.. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jaf/ http://www.stopesso.com Article 29829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B06FACD.21553120@yahoo.com> <3b07ab4c.347534758@news1.radix.net> <3b07f2b8$0$320$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> Subject: Re: Frame Spacers Lines: 33 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:07:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990403667 12.73.40.122 (Mon, 21 May 2001 00:07:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:07:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29829 The answer to your question depends on if you are talking about 9 frames of foundation or 9 frames of drawn. If you are talking foundation then no, it is not OK. I use 9 frames but can't see the appeal of the spacers that fit on the rabbet. You have to lift a frame out to move it. The spacing tool that looks like a comb for a Woolly Mammoth would be preferable to me but I find that it is easy enough to eyeball the spacing once it has been drawn as the spacing at that point is not as critical as with foundation. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Fr-Athanasios" wrote in message news:3b07f2b8$0$320$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net... > Greetings to all! > > I had purchased some frame spacers and > decided to make a couple boxes with 9 > frames instead of 10. I just put them on > a few days ago, is this ok or is it to much > of space and they would make comb > between frames? > > Thank you for the help, > Fr. Athanasios > > Article 29830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Placement o' Honey Super Lines: 42 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2dZN6.31830$4f7.2476832@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:22:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990404542 12.73.40.122 (Mon, 21 May 2001 00:22:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:22:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29830 Yes, it is a mistake. The queen will start laying in partially drawn cells long before your "several" days have elapsed. With comb honey production, you don't want to give the queen the opportunity to expand the brood nest. You need to crowd them below an excluder and force them to move the honey upstairs. And wait for a good flow before you give them the thin foundation (and only 1 super at a time) or they will just chew it up. For those that are interested, this advise is based more on my failures than my successes in comb honey production -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-2005011656220001@sdn-ar-002cocsprp137.dialsprint.net... > Greetings, all... > > I'm curious... > > Is is a mistake to place a medium super with wax foundation for cut-comb > honey BETWEEN the two deeps in order to get the girls working at drawing > comb? My plan is to remove it in several days (before the comb is fully > drawn and the queen can begin laying there), and put it on top of the two > deeps. > > We just have one hive in our backyard, so it won't create a lot of extra > work for us. > > Thanks. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-002cocsprp137.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Placement o' Honey Super Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:03:54 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <2dZN6.31830$4f7.2476832@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.85.ac.c9 X-Server-Date: 21 May 2001 01:03:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29831 Thanks for the answers. I reckon I'll move it up. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!ord2-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B086A02.2034ABF8@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What next? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 01:06:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 990407175 64.244.8.120 (Sun, 20 May 2001 21:06:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:06:15 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29832 I live in Southern Maryland, and am new to beekeeping this year. I received two packages on April 9th and installed them on new equipment with foundation. I did a lot of reading during the winter in preparation for the arrival of my new bees, and up until last week there have been no real surprises. I have been opening the hives once a week and have enjoyed watching the bees make progress drawing comb and raising brood. The weather during April and May has been very warm and the number of bees has been increasing pretty dramatically. When the bees had all but the end frames drawn out on the first hive body, I put on a second deep hive body (again with foundation). When I opened the hives after a week I was amazed. I didn't realize that they could work so fast. The bees had completely drawn out the frames in the lower hive bodies and had drawn out most of the frames in the second one as well. Most of the frames in the second hive bodies were filled with nectar, but I found both queens had moved up and had started laying eggs where they could. Also, in one hive, the bees had built a number of queen cups (no eggs or larvae yet) on the bottom bars and several on the face of the combs themselves. They still have a few more frames of foundation to draw out, but what do I do next? The lower hive bodies have a lot of capped brood that will be hatching in the next week. Our main honey flow is an early one and will be over soon. What happens when all of those bees hatch and my colony populations blowup just as the main honey flow is ending? Most of the books I have read said that the bees were not likely to swarm the first year as the queens were young and the colonies would take awhile to build up etc. Since bees can't read, is it possible that they will swarm this year? The books say things like "swarm cells are commonly found on or near the bottom bars whereas supersedure queen cells generally are found on the face of the comb". The bees have built both. Will the bees supersede a new queen? Will they swarm after the honey flow is over? What should I do to prevent them from swarming? I can provide more space, but if the flow is over that won't do much good. The books have been a good source of information, but some experience would be very useful about now. Chris Article 29833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 May 2001 02:29:11 GMT References: <3b07f2b8$0$320$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Frame Spacers Message-ID: <20010520222911.23307.00000766@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29833 In a Langstroth hive always start with ten frames of foundation shoved up tight against each other in the center of the box. Once drawn you can drop to 9 frames shoved up tight together in the brood boxes or spaced evenly in honey supers. Or even 8 spaced evenly in honey supers. In a nutshell frame spacers are for fully drawn comb. Article 29834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chuck Robinson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites References: <5X5O6.1682$k4.41557@e420r-atl4.usenetserver.com> <1sp934ALZPC7EwRv@upthorpe.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Buying Hay and Grains Fron the Farm Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:57:02 -0500 Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.90.222.212 Message-ID: <3b090452$1@nntp.corridor.net> X-Trace: nntp.corridor.net 990446674 63.90.222.212 (21 May 2001 07:04:34 -0500) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!nntp.corridor.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29834 sci.agriculture.fruit:3960 sci.agriculture.poultry:30484 sci.agriculture.ratites:1714 Oz, Saw this on another site. Thought you might enjoy it. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE FISHERIES & FOOD EARLY RETIREMENT Due to the current financial situation within the farming industry, the government has decided to place all farmers over the age of 60 on the early retirement scheme. This scheme will be known as the RAPE (Retire Agricultural Personnel Early). Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to join the SHAFT scheme (Special Help After Farm Termination). Those who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW scheme (Scheme for Retire Early Workers). Please note that you can only be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice but SCREWED as many times as the government deems appropriate. Persons who have been RAPED can apply to get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependents) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Rural Personnel On Early Severance). Those farmers remaining in the industry will receive as much SHIT (Special High Intensity Training) and CRAP (Caring Responsive Assistance Programme) as possible. As you are aware the government has always prided itself on the amount of SHIT and CRAP it gives farmers. "Oz" wrote in message news:1sp934ALZPC7EwRv@upthorpe.demon.co.uk... Article 29835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!upthorpe.demon.co.uk!Oz From: Oz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,slac.comp.computefarm,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Re: Buying Hay and Grains Fron the Farm Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1sp934ALZPC7EwRv@upthorpe.demon.co.uk> References: <5X5O6.1682$k4.41557@e420r-atl4.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: upthorpe.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: upthorpe.demon.co.uk:158.152.116.64 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 990445346 nnrp-12:7189 NO-IDENT upthorpe.demon.co.uk:158.152.116.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29835 sci.agriculture.fruit:3961 sci.agriculture.poultry:30486 sci.agriculture.ratites:1715 George Matteson writes >If you have any of these products please contact me. >hayoutlet@yahoo.com If you can't be bothered to read replies to your own posting then tough. >Visit our web site. >http://www.geocities.com/hayoutlet/hay.html Why? Winter barley straw at no less than 28/T baled in field ready to load or it gets ploughed in. Like last year. -- Oz Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the cornfield. [Dwight D. Eisenhower] {Using a smoothwall router} Article 29836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What next? Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:40:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3b090b59.437660893@news1.radix.net> References: <3B086A02.2034ABF8@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29836 On Mon, 21 May 2001 01:06:15 GMT, Christopher Drazba wrote: >I live in Southern Maryland, and am new to beekeeping this year. I >received two packages on April 9th and installed them on new equipment >with foundation. I did a lot of reading during the winter in >preparation for the arrival of my new bees, and up until last week there >have been no real surprises. I have been opening the hives once a week >and have enjoyed watching the bees make progress drawing comb and >raising brood. The weather during April and May has been very warm and >the number of bees has been increasing pretty dramatically. When the >bees had all but the end frames drawn out on the first hive body, I put >on a second deep hive body (again with foundation). When I opened the >hives after a week I was amazed. I didn't realize that they could work >so fast. The bees had completely drawn out the frames in the lower hive >bodies and had drawn out most of the frames in the second one as well. >Most of the frames in the second hive bodies were filled with nectar, >but I found both queens had moved up and had started laying eggs where >they could. Also, in one hive, the bees had built a number of queen >cups (no eggs or larvae yet) on the bottom bars and several on the face >of the combs themselves. They still have a few more frames of >foundation to draw out, but what do I do next? The lower hive bodies >have a lot of capped brood that will be hatching in the next week. Our >main honey flow is an early one and will be over soon. What happens >when all of those bees hatch and my colony populations blowup just as >the main honey flow is ending? Most of the books I have read said that >the bees were not likely to swarm the first year as the queens were >young and the colonies would take awhile to build up etc. Since bees >can't read, is it possible that they will swarm this year? The books >say things like "swarm cells are commonly found on or near the bottom >bars whereas supersedure queen cells generally are found on the face of >the comb". The bees have built both. Will the bees supersede a new >queen? Will they swarm after the honey flow is over? What should I do >to prevent them from swarming? I can provide more space, but if the flow >is over that won't do much good. The books have been a good source of >information, but some experience would be very useful about now. > >Chris Actually Chris we are having a long late flow with no weather interuptions this year. You should have started last year when it rained almost every day and the bees couldn't get out. The bees stayed home and raised brood and more brood using up all of their stores. Many starved the following winter, and there was a shortage of local honey. The Charles County Fair had zero honey entries! Just because the main flow is over doesn't mean that there is nothing else for them, they just have to work a little harder to get it. Beekeep Article 29837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:46:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3b090d79.438204973@news1.radix.net> References: <9eakqt$bjb$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29837 On Mon, 21 May 2001 09:50:35 +0100, "Paul Bowden" wrote: >I've been beekeeping here in Lincolnshire UK for about 5 years. I get stung >from time to time, but wear gloves etc, so not that often. Was stung >yesterday at about 1800 hrs on the lip. I removed the sting, but a bit >inexpertly, since it b**** well hurt and was accompanied by copious amounts >of blood. > >Both lips then swelled up quite badly, followed by badly swollen cheeks, >rest of face - real Elephant Man effects. No pain and no difficulty >swallowing etc - except difficulty of getting lips to work on food and >drink! > >When I awoke at 0600 hrs, could not open either eye, although one >subsequently went down sufficiently to enable me to see out of it. Visited >GP this morning, just in order to get something in hope of being able to >work today (no good.) > >My real reason for posting is that he muttered darkly a lot about this being >an abnormal reaction, anaphylactic shock etc etc and said I should consider >giving up beekeeping. > >I'm not expecting a diagnosis over the web, but has anyone else had this >sort of reaction? Do they agree with my feeling that it's just the location >of the sting that caused it? Do they feel that the anaphylactic shock stuff >might just be over-caution? > >I don't want to give up and certainly dont intend doing so on basis of just >this one incident. But any reassurance would be gratefully received! > >Thanks > >Paul > > While the location of the sting has a lot to do with the reaction, (my lips swell), not being stung enough sounds like you biggest problem. If you have a accident in the beeyard you might just die. beekeep Article 29838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:50:35 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9eakqt$bjb$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-114-190.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29838 I've been beekeeping here in Lincolnshire UK for about 5 years. I get stung from time to time, but wear gloves etc, so not that often. Was stung yesterday at about 1800 hrs on the lip. I removed the sting, but a bit inexpertly, since it b**** well hurt and was accompanied by copious amounts of blood. Both lips then swelled up quite badly, followed by badly swollen cheeks, rest of face - real Elephant Man effects. No pain and no difficulty swallowing etc - except difficulty of getting lips to work on food and drink! When I awoke at 0600 hrs, could not open either eye, although one subsequently went down sufficiently to enable me to see out of it. Visited GP this morning, just in order to get something in hope of being able to work today (no good.) My real reason for posting is that he muttered darkly a lot about this being an abnormal reaction, anaphylactic shock etc etc and said I should consider giving up beekeeping. I'm not expecting a diagnosis over the web, but has anyone else had this sort of reaction? Do they agree with my feeling that it's just the location of the sting that caused it? Do they feel that the anaphylactic shock stuff might just be over-caution? I don't want to give up and certainly dont intend doing so on basis of just this one incident. But any reassurance would be gratefully received! Thanks Paul Article 29839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood question (update) Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:01:59 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-Qoa/TzlFHVayI+VG7l5OyHRtbnaxfYSLa2onVxt2i5vntg3U6cyUfoTEjZlbcDVOiOSrcAxnY5NjIIj!iL0WbFCgRCABNFZ2l25H0F6IN2iKhlFRtAuDU4YDF5ABdGcgivzVynox17dpxj23zWItZ+3PoJRl!ICO/mQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:24:48 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29839 Hello You may remember my post earlier this spring. I had a queen but only drone brood. The hive had about 3 frames of bees at that time, early april. I requeened following advise given here early this month. The new queen is laying well and I now have capped brood. This brood will emerge in 2 more weeks. My question is, The hive population is much lower now as expected. Maybe 1 full frame and scatterd bees. I'm not sure if they can make it until the new brood emerges. I have a package coming soon maybe tomorrow by the end of the week for sure. How can I add workers from this 3 pound package to my hive? I was thinking that it should be done before these workers orient to there new hive. I want to end up with 2 hives so this problem won't happen again. Thanks for any help. dave Article 29840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!peernews.mcc.ac.uk!kos.leica.co.uk!drip.news.pipex.net!pipex!cass.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "George Matteson" From: "George Matteson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,slac.comp.computefarm,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Buying Hay and Grains Fron the Farm Lines: 8 Organization: HogWild Ranch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5X5O6.1682$k4.41557@e420r-atl4.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:17:37 EDT Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:17:08 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29840 sci.agriculture.fruit:3962 sci.agriculture.poultry:30490 sci.agriculture.ratites:1716 If you have any of these products please contact me. hayoutlet@yahoo.com Visit our web site. http://www.geocities.com/hayoutlet/hay.html Article 29841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 88 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:04:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 990468267 198.161.229.187 (Mon, 21 May 2001 12:04:27 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:04:27 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29841 Thanks. I went to your site and watched the video. I appreciate the effort you have put into this, but I still stand by my previous comments. Although the reporting was somewhat sensational, it was not entirely unbalanced and is what is to be expected where there is no advocate for beekeeping apparent. The media and community reaction was IMO normal and predictable, given the terrible job beekeepers have done in keeping positive information in front of the public. Norman Gary and his sort have not helped our cause and some beekeepers deliberately cultivate fear in the public or refuse to take the time to present bees and beekeepers in a positive light locally. Others simply abuse the public and the media for being ignorant and afraid, rather than being sympathetic and helping allay the fears. Apparently the local people and the media in Texas knew nothing about bees,and naturally some were afraid. The 'expert' that was called had not addressed the fear -- and let it escalate. The media did not have any beekeeper friend to call to help them interpret the situation. If the public and the media are ignorant, then it is our problem to solve. We can either spend our energy deploring this type of episode to an audience of the converted, or get off our duffs and make sure that the media understand us and are on our side. If we don't want to see more of this kind of incident, then we need to get out and do some missionary work *before* things like this happen. People have less contact with agriculture these days and we need to get good, positive messages into the schools and the media. Our associations need to send annual letters with honey and posters or fridge magnet or trinket to the media in their areas saying they have people available 24/7 to help them understand bees and beekeepers and to provide balanced interviews. Although the beekeeper in this incident may or may not have been within his rights, a little PR ahead of time and when the incident was underway could have helped a lot. I gather people had trouble locating and identifying him and therefore approached anyone they thought could help them before he appeared on the scene, putting himm at a disadvantage. There are always conflicts when agriculture and civilization meet. Odds are that sometimes things will work out this way. Right or wrong, sometimes we lose. Sometimes they lose. Win/win is much more likely if PR is in place before something like this happens. Imagine if the media in this case had found it easy and natural to call one of us up to get the beekeeper's perspective on the story. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I'm perfect in this regard. I do very little missionary work and often move bees in without alerting the neighbourhood. My excuse is that it us usually only a comparatively few hives and not in a populated area. Nevertheless, I must confess that I did have 1,000 hives on my place -- in a hamlet -- one spring. My neighbours know me and found it humourous. We are in a predominantly agricultural area, too. When I go to a convention and see somebody, usually a woman or hobby beekeeper walking around dressed as a bee and explaining how she/he goes to schools and events to tell about bees, I am very grateful. IMO, these people do more good than a some of those who sit on boards or run for office in associations, and get far less respect from most of us. If we are approached by neighbours who want to work with bees or want us to put bees near their place, we have those stangely dressed people to thank for the impression they made on school kids or other groups of interested people and the goodwill they built up in our favour. We need more bee missionaries. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm Learn more about why hygienic bees atre important and how to make sure you have them. "Robert Talk" posted in : >Allen, > >You really had to see the video to get a good idea of the sensationalism >of the reports. My comments are at: >http://beetalk.tripod.com/news_media.htm > >Robert > >"Allen Dick" wrote in message >news:Xns90A67398269B2allendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... >> I read both the articles and found them to be quite objective and not >> negative towards bees. Article 29842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.232!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:10:21 -0500 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <9e8ijr$9vs$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990468623 2170450 216.167.138.232 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29842 >Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman at the ABF in San >Diego. Was quoted as saying by: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) >Africanized >workers had been observed to invade European hives and lay eggs that >developed into queens and took over the hive. You have to ask yourself after reading a statement like that..what's wrong with this picture, and why is 'someone' spreading mis-information? Think about it. When the AHB arrives at the hapless EHB's hive, how did the 'observers' know they were African and even if they could have known, was it a 'discrete landing party or a whole swarm? Were the raiders carrying fertilized eggs in their teeth, or as the 'report' said AHB workers actually laid fertilized eggs. No Apis Millefera I know of engages in parthenogenesis, and that includes A. M. Scuntilata. Of related types of insects, the Cap Bee is the only bee I know of that is social and can raise a queen from a worker's egg. Then ask yourself, do the invaders hang around and make their own queen cells and feed the queens and get the cells sealed up while the rest of the hive ignores this behavior? Also do they prevent the existing queen and her entourage from destroying the new cells before the AHB queen(s) can emerge? Statements like the one you quoted are silly because they invite us to accept a profound statement when the people who said it don't even know they're being profound, and in fact display either one: a high level of ignorance or two: an inability to reason about what they're saying; and if this is so, it's an indicator of stupidity, or possibly drug use. New beekeepers, newspaper journalist and network 'news' people could and will really get things bollocks up. It appears to me that those who make such pronouncements should discontinue their use of SSRI's and those who quote this information as informative should learn to think twice before posting it. C.K. Article 29843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.dwave.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b07f2b8$0$320$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> <20010520222911.23307.00000766@ng-fh1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Frame Spacers Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:19:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3b095c4e$0$331$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 25554309.news.dwave.net X-Trace: 990469199 gemini.dwave.net 331 206.176.215.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@dwave.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29843 Greetings to all, I want to thank all that responded to my question and for the help you provided! Thank you very much, Fr. Athanasios "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010520222911.23307.00000766@ng-fh1.aol.com... > In a Langstroth hive always start with ten frames of foundation shoved up tight > against each other in the center of the box. > Once drawn you can drop to 9 frames shoved up tight together in the brood boxes > or spaced evenly in honey supers. > Or even 8 spaced evenly in honey supers. > In a nutshell frame spacers are for fully drawn comb. Article 29844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <990121492.865153@dionysos> Subject: Re: O.T. I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <9HdO6.92029$PP3.7016571@nnrp3.clara.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:06:46 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.143.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 990472005 212.126.143.25 (Mon, 21 May 2001 20:06:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:06:45 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29844 Charlie I used to play darts,but you can't pin the thing on me. Anyway I can now see the Texas Panhandle if I turn my map sideways. All the Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Farnham Astro Society. http://www.farnhamas.plus.com/ "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:f39ggtcme7j9gcs8h9jc74su6ocs89f0cu@4ax.com... > > but I still can't see the Texas Panhandle, only the Oklahoma Panhandle > >on my maps > > Hummm you wouldn't be funnin' me would you mike? Do you play darts > and hang around with Welshmen? > > C.K. Article 29845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Wild Bees from our Garden Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:19:17 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.221.99 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 990472684 213.104.221.99 (Mon, 21 May 2001 20:18:04 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:18:04 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29845 A couple of weeks ago I moved some soil on some bare soil banks in our back garden. Since then I have noticed bees have taken up residence in at least three places. I would like to move more soil and ideally move them on to another garden, since ours is too small and the bees are very close to where we would like to sit. I know nothing about bees. How can I do this safely? Thanks Richard Article 29846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long to feed and when do I add the 2nd box Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-Trace: /K49oFJ0aFGuR979Ucw30u9Q7EyJif45B2N6NmKHx5y6ZBeTSE9Stt3vT5uUI40p9cPsu3Poo1pt!AGyKkQOEX9o9YqsEEWf8gMVZfsfwvblIokdSmj5DfcVqfPBNQCeZFSHqVqJbJXKYayUdMsaDXEeT!dfxsI1c= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:36:59 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:36:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29846 I have 2 hives started from packages that were installed the 1st week of May. For some reason, one colony is going thru the syrup like crazy while the other is barely touching it. I did my 1st inspection on them today and things seem to be going well, eggs, capped brood, etc. Each hive has several frames that still need to be drawn out. Do I keep feeding them until all the frames are drawn out? Do I add the second box once all frames are drawn or after most cells are occupied (I've seen both recommended in different books)? Once I add the second box, do I need to keep feeding them to help them draw out the new frames? This is my second year and my first was a failure. I only had one hive, it swarmed on me, and I was queenless. My attempts to requeen failed and the colony died. One of the reasons (I was told) that they swarmed was that I was feeding them too late into the summer and I don't want to make the same mistakes. I live in N.E. Ohio. Thanks! Article 29847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be!not-for-mail From: "Ducanneke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Keeping in Belgium Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:58:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.224.24.67 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pandora.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 990475097 213.224.24.67 (Mon, 21 May 2001 21:58:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:58:17 MET DST Organization: Telenet Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29847 Does anyone know if there is any site in Belgium about bee keeping? It's a lot easier for me to read. Thanks to @ll -- GreetZz Ducanneke Article 29848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:47:12 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3B0962B0.68B8850F@okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29848 Allen Dick wrote: > The media are hungry for good video every day. If some smart, capable, and > diplomatic beekeeper offered to take them to a yard to see what we do, and > bundled them safely up in suits and veils or let them shoot from a closed > vehicle, we could have some new friends that could come in very handy from > time to time -- and regular clips on the news that are favourable to > beekeeping. > Allen, I have to agree with your first sentence in the above statement. However, the media in the US (of which I have been a member for 27 years) is really hungry for whatever creates ratings for their stations. And unfortunately nothing creates ratings better than controversey. While most stations will present both sides of a story when pressed to do so, they are also lazy enough to do just what it takes to get by. If they do happen to talk to Mr. Kelley about his bees, I can assure you there will be questions about what kind of compensation will he make to the tenants in the neighborhood. As for having them out to videotape bees and beekeepers, yeah, I think it would be a good idea. IF you can find one that's not so stupidly petrified with a fear of bugs that they would be willing to get their coffuire messed up a little. Forgive me, I've worked around these airheaded twits for way too long and have very little patience for them. As for the actual videotape news segment, I watched the whole thing and what I saw did not surprise me. Turn on the lights...point the camera,,,and you'll always get some sort of usable video. People are just plain crazy when it comes to getting to see themselves on the TV. They will do the stupidest things and the producers and reporters will follow along and air this pap so they can say their doing their civic responsibility. The one outlet on television I have found that does a proper job in explaining what bees do for us and the environment are Gardening programs. In fact I've just moved some of my hives to a local arboretum that produces a weekly gardening show. They are very much interested in doing a segment on the bees as pollinatiors. Gary J. Article 29849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <9e8ijr$9vs$1@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 52 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:37:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990481030 198.161.229.187 (Mon, 21 May 2001 15:37:10 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:37:10 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29849 On 21 May 2001, you wrote in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: >> Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman at the ABF in San >> Diego. > >Was quoted as saying by: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) > >> Africanized >> workers had been observed to invade European hives and lay eggs that >> developed into queens and took over the hive. > >You have to ask yourself after reading a statement like that..what's >wrong with this picture, and why is 'someone' spreading >mis-information? Hi Charlie! You have to ask yourself too, why such an immoderate reaction to this innocent report? What traditional punishment for heresy would be most suitable? Can get off with only a day or two in the stocks? If I drink hemlock would that be sufficient punishment? Or... maybe the pain knowing of your displeasure and suffering your prose is punishment enough? Anyhow... I was merely reporting what I heard at the 2001 ABF convention in a swell-attended public presentation by a respected US government employee from the heart of US AHB territory. I was not alone in the room and not alone in hearing what she said. So, maybe you should excoriate her or Erickson as well as -- or in the place of -- this humble and gullible scribe. Frankly, the presentation in question was surprising to me. Firstly it was a surprise because Erickson was scheduled to speak and DeGrandi-Hoffman appeared before us without any warning, and secondly it was surprising because of the message. As for the veracity of that report, I have no way of knowing, but assume there must be at least *some* science behind it, since it came from the ARS. You tell me. You also mention the Cape bee connection. I have often wondered if there is some of that stock or some other unique genes in the African bees that were imported to the Brazil that could explain why that particular importation seems to have had far-reaching effects, while the other importations of bees from Africa -- some direct to the US over the years -- have not had such an impact. As for the eggs laid by our ordinary, familiar European worker bees, I do not think it is a secret that a portion of those eggs result in females and there has always been speculation about the laying of eggs by workers and possible evolutionary explanations. allen Article 29850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: cleaning up wax X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B0984DA.83DABB4B@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <7133-3B04A520-194@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:12:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29850 You could put the cappings in a bowl above the inner cover but in a empty box with a telescoping cover and let the bees get the honey and bring into the lower portion of the hive. No worry about robbing that way. The wax will be a little messey as there will be dead bees and such left in it. Or, you could put the wax cappings in a crock pot with some water and render the wax into a cake - the honey should separate from the wax and remain dissolved in the water and can then be discarded. Miss Pamb wrote: > > We have been keeping bees for several years and when we uncapped the > comb we would put the wax outside for the bees to clean up. We noticed > that the bees became more aggressive and seemed to start robbing weaker > hives. Is this so? How do you handle the wax and honey left over from > uncapping? Do you let the bees clean it up or do something else? Do you > ever give the bees honey or is this a big NO-NO? I'd like to know what > you all do. Thanks in advance. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: how long to draw out foundation X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B0985D0.9A7695B9@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:17:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29851 If it has been 29 days since installation then you should be seeing brood by now. You should have been able to find eggs seven (7) days after installation. If you don't see evidence of brood by now then there is something wrong with the queen/colony. Was the queen ever released from her cage? Chuck wrote: > > I installed my package bees (3 lbs) on foundation 29 > days ago. I'm wondering when the first brood will start > to appear. So my question is, how long did it take the > girls to draw out comb deep enough for the queen to lay > the first eggs? When will the population explosion happen? > > At present they are working on the second hive body of > foundation (which I added about a week ago) and don't > seem to be taking nearly as much syrup as in the first > few weeks. > > Chuck Wettergreen > Geneva, IL -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B0962B0.68B8850F@okstate.edu> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:41:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990481270 198.161.229.187 (Mon, 21 May 2001 15:41:10 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:41:10 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29852 Gary Johns posted in <3B0962B0.68B8850F@okstate.edu>: >I have to agree with your first sentence in the above statement. >However, the media in the US (of which I have been a member for 27 >years) is really hungry for whatever creates ratings for their stations. >And unfortunately nothing creates ratings better than controversey. >While most stations will present both sides of a story when pressed to >do so, they are also lazy enough to do just what it takes to get by. Thanks for a view from the inside. allen Article 29853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Glaenzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:01:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B0962B0.68B8850F@okstate.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29853 "Gary Johns" wrote in message news:3B0962B0.68B8850F@okstate.edu... > > I have to agree with your first sentence in the above statement. However, the > media in the US (of which I have been a member for 27 years) is really hungry > for whatever creates ratings for their stations. And unfortunately nothing > creates ratings better than controversey. Gary; Well said. As a former broadcast engineer who was often saddled with the task of helping the typical prima donna reporter/reporterette survive a rough day in the field ('rough day' is one where the wind musses her hair, or where she gets a smudge on her clothing, or any of several dozen 'disasters'), I can tell you that your statements are right on the mark. The typical reporter or reporterette doesn't want to have the camera pointed down into the hive, or at the beekeeper's hands as he shows how its done, nope, what he or she wants is his or her mug in the frame as he or she drones on about 'killer bees', accurately or not. Or, as we used to say at the station: 'Good news is no news'. 'Bad news is good news'. and 'A disaster is the best news'. Regards, G Article 29854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: What next? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B098A94.EAAFE9F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B086A02.2034ABF8@mail.tqci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:37:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29854 Are you feeding them syrup? You can probably stop now if you are. Yes, a package colony will swarm if you feed it too much - I know this from experience. I would discontinue feeding and put some supers on them pronto. It is probably too late for the colony that already has swarm cells as they are going to swarm no matter what you do. Christopher Drazba wrote: > > I live in Southern Maryland, and am new to beekeeping this year. I > received two packages on April 9th and installed them on new equipment > with foundation. I did a lot of reading during the winter in > preparation for the arrival of my new bees, and up until last week there > have been no real surprises. I have been opening the hives once a week > and have enjoyed watching the bees make progress drawing comb and > raising brood. The weather during April and May has been very warm and > the number of bees has been increasing pretty dramatically. When the > bees had all but the end frames drawn out on the first hive body, I put > on a second deep hive body (again with foundation). When I opened the > hives after a week I was amazed. I didn't realize that they could work > so fast. The bees had completely drawn out the frames in the lower hive > bodies and had drawn out most of the frames in the second one as well. > Most of the frames in the second hive bodies were filled with nectar, > but I found both queens had moved up and had started laying eggs where > they could. Also, in one hive, the bees had built a number of queen > cups (no eggs or larvae yet) on the bottom bars and several on the face > of the combs themselves. They still have a few more frames of > foundation to draw out, but what do I do next? The lower hive bodies > have a lot of capped brood that will be hatching in the next week. Our > main honey flow is an early one and will be over soon. What happens > when all of those bees hatch and my colony populations blowup just as > the main honey flow is ending? Most of the books I have read said that > the bees were not likely to swarm the first year as the queens were > young and the colonies would take awhile to build up etc. Since bees > can't read, is it possible that they will swarm this year? The books > say things like "swarm cells are commonly found on or near the bottom > bars whereas supersedure queen cells generally are found on the face of > the comb". The bees have built both. Will the bees supersede a new > queen? Will they swarm after the honey flow is over? What should I do > to prevent them from swarming? I can provide more space, but if the flow > is over that won't do much good. The books have been a good source of > information, but some experience would be very useful about now. > > Chris -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How long to feed and when do I add the 2nd box Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:49:56 -0700 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-50.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b09a872@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 21 May 2001 16:44:50 -0700, tc1-50.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-50.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29855 I'm pretty much a novice (3rd year, 2 hives) so I'm passing on more of what I've heard than what I've experienced. I feed in the spring until they won't take it anymore. I figure my sugar water is second banana to real nectar & they go for the nectar when there's enough of it & it's warm enough to get at it. I put on my second brood box when 8 of the 10 frames were drawn out. If it's pretty warm, I also move my outside frames in towards the middle since they get filled last. Although, I try not to split the brood up. Ken Chris Bjelica wrote in message ... >I have 2 hives started from packages that were installed the >1st week of May. For some reason, one colony is going >thru the syrup like crazy while the other is barely touching it. >I did my 1st inspection on them today and things seem >to be going well, eggs, capped brood, etc. Each hive >has several frames that still need to be drawn out. Do >I keep feeding them until all the frames are drawn out? >Do I add the second box once all frames are drawn or >after most cells are occupied (I've seen both recommended >in different books)? Once I add the second box, do I need >to keep feeding them to help them draw out the new frames? > Article 29856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 01:05:18 GMT References: <3b090d79.438204973@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Message-ID: <20010521210518.02968.00000673@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29856 If I don't get enough stings the first one in the spring or late winter when the bees are crawly usually occurs on my ankles. My shoes don't fit for a few days and it itches. Be very worried if you have a tight throat or a rashe away from the sting site. I wore out 2 pair of gloves before I gave them up. I roasted in zipper veil suits before I gave them up. I don't know how many stings it takes to develop tolerance but by the end of the day who can remember if they got 3 stings or 4 or 15. As for removing a sting even a dog removes the sting by just rubbing it on the ground. Docs have to err on the side of caution- it's their job and their butt. Maybe you oughta have a partner til you are sure. Article 29857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Keeping in Belgium From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:20:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990494405 198.161.229.190 (Mon, 21 May 2001 19:20:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:20:05 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29857 "Ducanneke" posted in : > Does anyone know if there is any site in Belgium about bee keeping? > It's a lot easier for me to read. > Thanks to @ll abeilles@fundp.ac.be is a french speaking bee list that is getting quite active these days. Go to http://www.fundp.ac.be/listes/abeilles/ for more info. allen Article 29858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to feed and when do I add the 2nd box Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:17:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B09CC30.3B1DB910@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3b09a872@news.turbotek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29858 Which do I add first, a second brood chamber, or a first honey super? Taylor K Adney wrote: > > I'm pretty much a novice (3rd year, 2 hives) so I'm passing on more of what > I've heard than what I've experienced. > > I feed in the spring until they won't take it anymore. I figure my sugar > water is second banana to real nectar & they go for the nectar when there's > enough of it & it's warm enough to get at it. > > I put on my second brood box when 8 of the 10 frames were drawn out. If > it's pretty warm, I also move my outside frames in towards the middle since > they get filled last. Although, I try not to split the brood up. > > Ken > > Chris Bjelica wrote in message ... > >I have 2 hives started from packages that were installed the > >1st week of May. For some reason, one colony is going > >thru the syrup like crazy while the other is barely touching it. > >I did my 1st inspection on them today and things seem > >to be going well, eggs, capped brood, etc. Each hive > >has several frames that still need to be drawn out. Do > >I keep feeding them until all the frames are drawn out? > >Do I add the second box once all frames are drawn or > >after most cells are occupied (I've seen both recommended > >in different books)? Once I add the second box, do I need > >to keep feeding them to help them draw out the new frames? > > Article 29859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding bees Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:24:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B09CDD3.A1298C4B@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29859 I hived 2 packages 3 weeks ago and they are drinking a quart of syrup daily. Granted, they are slacking off a bit... I'm going to be gone for a week, so I opened the hives, added one deep and one shallow super to each, no frames or foundation, just a protected air space. Accross the tops of the frames I laid 3 narrow slats of wood and placed 3 1/2 gallon jars of syrup in each hive. (The slats were to distribute the weight over the 10 frames instead of the 2 or three a feeder would sit on by itself.) I didn't use a smoker because I didn't figure I'd disturb the bees much (and I couldn't find my smoker fuel...my wife moved it and I didn't see where she put it) anyway... the bees went absolutely nuts! Each glove took 20-30 stings per hive! One even made it through the glove! Did I do something extraordinarily bad to tick them off, or were they just haveing a bad day, or should I have smoked them no matter how long the hives will be open? Questions, questions... Short version of the story, they got enough syrup to last till I get home. It's protected from the wind,etc and I've got a 1.5 gallons of it in each hive (that just wouldn't fit on the front of the hive, now would it.) Beekeeping in SW MO... Taylor Article 29860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B096498.DCB0ADDE@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Trace: /Kp2luvKqGaXJ1zjQMM8CqANSul6Km+/DskRpU2a1VryyaAKhDs+/TbcJ2AmgyFD/eLQo4bgTVqW!Uyzpi9636+1/orIIcwaHoYsi63LohaXh18k61phrS13YN8dEMLn7D9PQ7I6qJJA5WX24TuSEIA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:02:09 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:02:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29860 Astroman wrote: > > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > great text. > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. Good points. When I got my hives, I had an experienced beekeeper set up my hives and help me through the first season. I'm still learning. I joined the state beekeepers association here in North Carolina and I read everything that I can find. So far (knock on wood), I haven't had any hives with problems. I live about 20 miles from the Brushy Mountain Bee Supply company, and so I have access to the latest materials and info. Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 29861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B09637C.309DA4E4@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture References: <20oK6.5201$vf6.578670@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 X-Trace: /KDWjcvTZcmFQHxdyhHpPVtuISblyNKV2YXL+IKX1gSAcWgfsfVXeEdrhtaFpnsPiGJVjJ6PtHOZ!VGgS4FDzyVYS5sCkOQ99WDak2afp/O5DWi37e+qG23zkGXhd1Uqp0f57193rZ5PnzlCM97MSFw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:02:07 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:02:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29861 Dave wrote: > > I checked on my 3 hives (just from the outside today), I found a small > clump of bees in one of the trees, or should I say on a leaf, in my avocado > grove. It was about 30 feet from the hives. I have two new hives this year > and one I started last year. > > See picture http://www.kernweb.com/bees.jpg > > As you can see, there are only about 25 or so bees. What are they doing? > Is this a small swarm at rest? > > Thanks for help with my rookie question. > > Dave Dave, This doesn't look like a swarm. A queen leaving a hive will take more bees than this with her. There must be somthing on the leaf that attracted a few bees. Or they are temporary stragglers from a swarm. Nice photo, though. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 29862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:38:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3b0a3ff5.45330748@news1.radix.net> References: <3B09CDD3.A1298C4B@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29862 On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:24:19 -0500, Taylor Francis wrote: >I hived 2 packages 3 weeks ago and they are drinking a quart of syrup >daily. Granted, they are slacking off a bit... > >I'm going to be gone for a week, so I opened the hives, added one deep >and one shallow super to each, no frames or foundation, just a protected >air space. Accross the tops of the frames I laid 3 narrow slats of wood >and placed 3 1/2 gallon jars of syrup in each hive. (The slats were to >distribute the weight over the 10 frames instead of the 2 or three a >feeder would sit on by itself.) > >I didn't use a smoker because I didn't figure I'd disturb the bees much >(and I couldn't find my smoker fuel...my wife moved it and I didn't see >where she put it) anyway... the bees went absolutely nuts! Each glove >took 20-30 stings per hive! One even made it through the glove! > >Did I do something extraordinarily bad to tick them off, or were they >just haveing a bad day, or should I have smoked them no matter how long >the hives will be open? > >Questions, questions... > >Short version of the story, they got enough syrup to last till I get >home. It's protected from the wind,etc and I've got a 1.5 gallons of it >in each hive (that just wouldn't fit on the front of the hive, now would >it.) > >Beekeeping in SW MO... >Taylor A beekeeper going into a hive without a lit smoker makes about as much sense as going into a whorehouse in a wet suit. Leaving the bees with lots of space to build combs in a hive doesn't make too much sense either. An interior bucket feeded should go over an inner cover. There is little you can do about the wife touching your stuff. Stories about snakes and mice do tend to help. When my wife ventures into my basement I like to say things like "Did you see that rat?" It's still my little haven. beekeep Article 29863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B0A76C5.9AF5784E@plan.be> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:25:09 +0200 From: Hubert Castelain X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Keeping in Belgium References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 16 Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.218.146 X-Trace: 990541441 reader0.news.skynet.be 3125 194.78.218.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29863 See the links from http://users.swing.be/avettes Ducanneke wrote: > Does anyone know if there is any site in Belgium about bee keeping? > It's a lot easier for me to read. > Thanks to @ll > > -- > GreetZz > Ducanneke -- "C'est possible, si vous le faites..." (J Salomé) Article 29864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B0A754C.94CFA324@tir.com> From: Dan & Anne Nowak Reply-To: nowak@tir.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-NECCK (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild bees in a mobile home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:18:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.40.148.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 990541041 216.40.148.141 (Tue, 22 May 2001 10:17:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:17:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29864 A swarm of wild honeybees has taken up residence through a small hole in the side of a mobile home in northeastern Michigan. The bees are only a minor annoyance, and are very interesting to observe, but the bees have made a sticky mess to the outside of the home. Honey and wax are now oozing from small cracks in the siding. We really don't know how many bees are in there, and they have been at it for three years now. The owner of the home wants them out of there and just wants to kill them. I told him not to, as there might be a way to incise the bees to move to a new home nearby, be able to keep the bees and let them live in peace without having to kill them. Is there any way to do this? Do any beekeepers out there want these bees? Something interesting about these bees - they seem to be gathering only from a few spruce and white pine trees 40 - 60 feet from the hive. Any suggestions from this group would be appreciated. Sincerely, Dan nowak Article 29865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 14:58:06 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Moving Wild Bees from our Garden Message-ID: <20010522105806.01496.00000633@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29865 You may have the digger bees that like to nest in banks. They are good pollinators and not aggressive. I would welcome them. I don't know if the nests can be moved, but I hope you can preserve at least some of them, if that is what they are. Digger bees are solitary, but gregarious, that is that each one is a queen who makes her own nest, but likes to be near other nests. There are pictures of adult digger bees (Andrena) at this link: http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm Another possibility is yellow jackets, but it's unlikely that you'd have three nests.starting at once. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 15:06:25 GMT References: <9eakqt$bjb$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Message-ID: <20010522110625.01496.00000636@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29866 >I don't want to give up and certainly dont intend doing so on basis of just >this one incident. I have kept bees for many years, and only had a similar reaction once, when I was taking a pain-killing drug following surgery. When the drug was out of my system, I had no further problems with reactions. Were you taking any pain drugs, like ibuprofen or similar? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 15:48:36 GMT References: <3B0A754C.94CFA324@tir.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wild bees in a mobile home Message-ID: <20010522114836.21359.00000689@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29867 >Something >interesting about these bees - they seem to be gathering only from a >few spruce and white pine trees 40 - 60 feet from the hive. > Take a look at the spruce and pine I bet you will find aphids or scale insects . Article 29868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 15:50:59 GMT References: <3B09CC30.3B1DB910@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How long to feed and when do I add the 2nd box Message-ID: <20010522115059.16633.00000657@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29868 You have to add the second brood chamber first before you add any honey supers. What did you do with the drawn comb from last year's hive that swarmed on you? If you started 2 this year you could have started them both on drawn comb from your previous hive then add the second box as foundation that would help your pacage build up quicker .... Or vice a versa ..... Happy honey making :) Article 29869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to feed and when do I add the 2nd box Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:56:43 -0400 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9ee29h$2brak$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3B09CC30.3B1DB910@yahoo.com> <20010522115059.16633.00000657@ng-bg1.aol.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990547058 2485588 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29869 I wouldn't out right say to add a second brood chamber unless they live where they need the added food. There are several places where having only one brood chamber will do. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "JPA555" wrote in message news:20010522115059.16633.00000657@ng-bg1.aol.com... > You have to add the second brood chamber first before you add any honey supers. > What did you do with the drawn comb from last year's hive that swarmed on you? > If you started 2 this year you could have started them both on drawn comb from > your previous hive then add the second box as foundation that would help your > pacage build up quicker .... Or vice a versa ..... Happy honey making :) > Article 29870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 16:06:34 GMT References: <20010522110625.01496.00000636@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Message-ID: <20010522120634.16633.00000658@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29870 What I would suggest you do is get rid of the gloves and use your hands you get stung less, Because you can feel the bees under your fingers and also with gloves on you don't know when they are stinging you coz you can't feel it, Now what that does is the more bees that sting the more alarm odors are left at the sting site, So in the long run wich only takes less then 30 seconds you get lots of bee's upset and it snowballs on you ...... Also I would advise that you were a veil that pulls tight so no bee's get to your face ......Loose the gloves for normal hive inspections. There are times when you need them though but I woun't but into that now. Article 29871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 16:12:38 GMT References: <3B098A94.EAAFE9F@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What next? Message-ID: <20010522121238.16633.00000659@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29871 You don't have swarm cells, you have queen cups they all build them you can destroy them if you want I usally do, I would put on a honey super after they draw everything out and let them draw that out too before you add another one.... Have Fun Article 29872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 May 2001 16:17:47 GMT References: <990300514@zbee.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: cleaning up wax Message-ID: <20010522121747.16633.00000660@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29872 Look at all the honey your loosing.... Article 29873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "s" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drawing foundation Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:20:45 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:302 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29873 I have just taken over a hive of bees in which half the brood chamber is new foundation The bees seem intent on building cells in between the foundation rather than drawing out the foundation Dose anyone have any tips on educating the bees of their error? Martin Article 29874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee stings and venom Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:23:01 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9ee77t$9rr$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-75-179.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29874 Several people took the trouble to reply to my posting about a sting which produced quite a dramatic reaction (superficially, at least.) The tenor of their messages was, generally, that this was normal and that it makes sense to get stung sufficiently to get used to it and build up some immunity. There are two purposes to this current posting (don't worry: I'm not going to KEEP posting - this is the last for a while!) 1. To thank everyone very much and just to put on record for anyone reading this who is not already aware of it that the cybercommunity of beekeepers is full of interesting, pleasant, witty and immensely helpful people; it's good to feel a small part of that. 2. To ask what evidence there is - anecdotal, folkloric or scientifically accredited - for the therapeutic benefits of beestings. I'd be really interested to read up on this. I have a colleague (in her late 50s) and a student (she's aged 19) who both suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and I'm sure I've heard that bee venom is beneficial to this condition and even Muscular Dystrophy. I'm not going to do any counselling or dispensing, but I'd be interested to know.......... Very best wishes Paul Bowden Article 29875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: jennanddavecrandall@hotmail.com (David Crandall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question (update) Date: 22 May 2001 10:40:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.198.41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 990553230 25521 127.0.0.1 (22 May 2001 17:40:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 17:40:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29875 "J&DC" wrote in message news:... > Hello > You may remember my post earlier this spring. I had a queen but only drone > brood. The hive had about 3 frames of bees at that time, early april. I > requeened following advise given here early this month. The new queen is > laying well and I now have capped brood. > This brood will emerge in 2 more weeks. My question is, The hive > population is much lower now as expected. Maybe 1 full frame and scatterd > bees. I'm not sure if they can make it until the new brood emerges. > I have a package coming soon maybe tomorrow by the end of the week for > sure. How can I add workers from this 3 pound package to my hive? I was > thinking that it should be done before these workers orient to there new > hive. I want to end up with 2 hives so this problem won't happen again. > Thanks for any help. > dave Anyone? Is this one of those stupid novice beekeeping questions that I shouldn't be asking? Dave Article 29876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying worker(s) - now what? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:20:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 990555611 65.13.109.136 (Tue, 22 May 2001 11:20:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:20:11 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29876 In installed two packages a month and a half ago. After a couple of weeks they both looked good, plenty of eggs, etc. When I checked them today one is doing great, but the other has a laying worker. I have never seen this before and thus missed the signs. I previously posted a picture of the hive with what I now know was drone brood on the landing pad and cappings all over. Lesson learned! The worker has been laying for a while as there is plenty of capped drone brood. The population now has lots of drones, but still about 30-40% workers. Now what? Should I let it die out and store the equipment for next year? Should I put the hive body on my other new hive? I have read a lot about it, and read the options, but wanted to get some suggestions. What would you do? Thanks, Dave Article 29877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings and venom Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <9ee77t$9rr$1@uranium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:23:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.217.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 990559637 62.255.217.14 (Tue, 22 May 2001 20:27:17 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:27:17 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29877 On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:23:01 +0100, "Paul Bowden" wrote: >2. To ask what evidence there is - anecdotal, folkloric or scientifically >accredited - for the therapeutic benefits of beestings. I don't know if these people have any information about stings - http://www.medihoney.com/index.htm Article 29878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be!not-for-mail Reply-To: "PeTeR" From: "PeTeR" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Keeping in Belgium Lines: 31 Organization: Zonder! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:18:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.224.12.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pandora.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 990562714 213.224.12.57 (Tue, 22 May 2001 22:18:34 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:18:34 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29878 "Ducanneke" schreef in bericht news:treO6.1268$FL1.227595@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > Does anyone know if there is any site in Belgium about bee keeping? > It's a lot easier for me to read. > Thanks to @ll > > -- > GreetZz > Ducanneke > > > > Here are few Flemish and Dutch sites : http://home.planetinternet.be/~pin04317/index3.htm http://www.beecom.be/doc/bee.html http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/nlindex.htm http://www.bijenhof.com/nederlands/index.html http://www.mechelen.be/bijenteelt/index.htm http://www.hanksehof.nl/wsn86E0.html http://home.wxs.nl/~petanque/wereld.html http://users.skynet.be/bijen/ http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/bijen_index.html http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/NedBijLinks.html Article 29879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.187!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:05:03 -0500 Lines: 118 Message-ID: References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <9e8ijr$9vs$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990565507 2636648 216.167.138.187 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29879 >You have to ask yourself too, why such an immoderate reaction to this >innocent report? It isn't 'innocent' it's junk science it's unsubstantiated crap. It's Rush Limbaugh beekeeping. I'm merely suggesting that you should know better since I get the impression you are influential on a more hobbyist beekeeping list. >What traditional punishment for heresy would be most suitable? A simple flogging would do, I'm a reasonable man. >I was merely reporting what I heard at the 2001 ABF convention in >a swell-attended public presentation by a respected US government employee >from the heart of US AHB territory. That might be a type o but did you mean SWELLS attended and if you did, I bet you were right. I take it to mean the respected US Gov. employee is Dr. Erickson or do you mean the woman with the hyphenated name? I can't believe Dr. Erickson would be a part of the DiGrandi-Hoffman lecture as you've reported it. Erickson is more likely to have 'witnessed' a SWARM of AHB's moving into a EHB hive they had previously robbed out. That would be correct, information, as that is what happens. AHB hives can become big and bad and easily overwhelm by attrition any European hive, even healthy ones. Another phenomena of AHB's is that they swarm more in dry conditions when EHB's are staying put, and limiting their populations. This would make EHB's even more vulnerable. As you can see from this, in areas populated by AHB's, the EHB's are screwed, and don't have a chance. >So, maybe you should excoriate her or >Erickson as well as -- or in the place of -- this humble and gullible >scribe. I would excoriate her whatever that means and good too. However, Erickson's views regarding this are not at issue here, and I don't know Ms. DiGrandi-Hoffman's electronic mail address. > Firstly it was >a surprise because Erickson was scheduled to speak and DeGrandi-Hoffman >appeared before us without any warning, Humm sounds fishy. Is Ms DeGrandi-Hoffman retained by that shadowy think tank created by Ted Turner to seek out ways to rid his extensive estates of honey bees so they will not make extinct the indigenous pollinators, which are still there. Why doesn't Ted return the indigenous 'people' that once lived on his vast holdings, and who are not there. Another topic to be sure. >As for the veracity of that report, I have no way >of knowing, but assume there must be at least *some* science behind it, >since it came from the ARS. You tell me. I can't tell you much about the ARS or the USDA other than they are getting their budgets cut for military spending to come and that there are good scientist and there are just scientist with a job, rather like a lot of teachers. I know that everyday I hear a white noise of streaming ignorance coming from so called experts and not just about science, but all along the whole spectrum of society. It is not that these people believe they are lying, it's that they're just ignorant and in a position to express their ignorance publicly and why not because their statements will not, on the whole, be questioned, they're just doing their job and making their car payments. It's more important now to look like you know something and talk like it too. The result of these attitudes are, lying and dis-information is now frequented at all levels of the public and private sectors. You tell me why this is. >I have often wondered if there >is some of that stock or some other unique genes in the African bees that >were imported to the Brazil that could explain why that particular >importation seems to have had far-reaching effects, Well the technology certainly exist to 'strain out' every gene that exist within what everyone can agree is an Africanized Honey Bee. If Cape bee genetic material was found to be a part of AHB's genetic make up then we would have to go and grovel to Ms DiGrandi-Hoffman and say she might be right. (humm. I wonder if she likes flogging?) I know that studies have been made regarding residual genes in viruses that once occupied different animal hosts in earlier times, before the viruses jumped as it were, to another species, like humans for instance. >As for the eggs laid by our ordinary, familiar European worker bees, I do >not think it is a secret that a portion of those eggs result in females It may not be a secret in Canada but I've never heard of that happening. Apis Millifera worker bees laying 'female' eggs. Like I said earlier, parthenogenesis is not practiced by EHB's. Who observed this happening, and when was it observed, and where's the white paper? How were 'they' able for instance to 'isolate' the worker's 'female' eggs from the queen's eggs? Apparently even Entomologist find it rare to observe a worker laying an egg in the midst of a queen rite hive, even though that egg will be a drone (a small drone it is said) C.K. - He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. Sir William Drummond Article 29880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will a virgin queen swarm and other queen questions Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:26:36 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3B0AD98C.8F6B5702@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 990566702 8311 129.101.81.41 (22 May 2001 21:25:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2001 21:25:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29880 1) will a virgin queen swarm 2) how long after her mating flight will she be laying eggs? thanks matthew Article 29881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0146.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:35:59 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ellgt0q2svjnpmtvthums6jqkhh9cthr8@4ax.com> References: <3DmM6.62177$Cc1.14044931@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0146.nts-online.net (216.167.131.146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990567360 2684616 216.167.131.146 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29881 >Sorry David, but please understand that not all Houstonians are as ignorant >as the ones you just encountered. Those TV jerks are doing everything they >can to badmouth beekeeping. These are the same people in Houston that shut down the 'Chicken Farm' a famous whore house in LaGrange that had been there since who laid the chunk and was part of our state heritage, like the Alamo. (Thank you Marvin, when you die it is my sincere wish you make it to heaven where you will live for eternity with the other twits) America the country that gave you prohibition, the war on drugs, rogue states, star wars, and TV pundits, but no national health insurance. It's easy to see that bees are a non issue and you know where that puts beekeepers. C.K. Article 29882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Reynolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Larry Reynolds" References: <9eakqt$bjb$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29882 Similar situation here, I got stung first time in the season, (Texas) and my mentor beekeeper says the first few stings of the season give bigger local reactions. I got stung on the wrist (not wearing gloves) and my arm from elbow to fingers went tympanic. The BIG book (Hive and the Honeybee) says local reactions are typical and if swelling continues even 24 hours after the sting, this is, what they call, normal. I tend to swell up quite a bit, so I suit up when I go after the bees, even when it is 100 degrees outside. I get stung enough without having bees, as we are festooned with wasps, hornets and bumblebees, horseflies, fireants, but I digress. I see an allergist once per week and I am going to ask about something to keep the swelling down, as it can be a real pain in the arse (pardon the pun) when you have to go out in public with your face, or whatever, all swollen. I will let you know what I find out. Larry Reynolds Urban Bee Keeper College Station, Texas ratrace@tca.net Article 29883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B0B3A36.D9E890C3@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees References: <3B09CDD3.A1298C4B@yahoo.com> <3b0a3ff5.45330748@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:19:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 990583816 208.235.28.30 (Tue, 22 May 2001 22:10:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:10:16 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29883 beekeep wrote: > A beekeeper going into a hive without a lit smoker makes about as much > sense as going into a whorehouse in a wet suit. And *that's* supposed to make sense??? AL Article 29884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings and venom Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:14:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3b0b1b64.101505855@news1.radix.net> References: <9ee77t$9rr$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29884 On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:23:01 +0100, "Paul Bowden" wrote: >Several people took the trouble to reply to my posting about a sting which >produced quite a dramatic reaction (superficially, at least.) The tenor of >their messages was, generally, that this was normal and that it makes sense >to get stung sufficiently to get used to it and build up some immunity. > >There are two purposes to this current posting (don't worry: I'm not going >to KEEP posting - this is the last for a while!) > >1. To thank everyone very much and just to put on record for anyone reading >this who is not already aware of it that the cybercommunity of beekeepers is >full of interesting, pleasant, witty and immensely helpful people; it's >good to feel a small part of that. >2. To ask what evidence there is - anecdotal, folkloric or scientifically >accredited - for the therapeutic benefits of beestings. I'd be really >interested to read up on this. I have a colleague (in her late 50s) and a >student (she's aged 19) who both suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and I'm >sure I've heard that bee venom is beneficial to this condition and even >Muscular Dystrophy. I'm not going to do any counselling or dispensing, but >I'd be interested to know.......... > >Very best wishes > >Paul Bowden > > > Here's a few books: Bees Don't Get Arthritis by Fred Malone Folk Medicine by D.C. Jarvis, M.D. Arthritis and Folk Medicine by D.C. Jarvis, M.D. How Well Are You Willing To Bee? by Pat Wagner Health and the Honeybee by Charles Mraz Bee in Balance by Amber Rose, L.Ac.,L.C.S.W. Bee Venom the Healing Power by Micheal Simics And there are plenty more! beekeep Article 29885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:16:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3b0b1d67.102020771@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29885 On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:20:11 GMT, "Dave" wrote: >In installed two packages a month and a half ago. After a couple of weeks >they both looked good, plenty of eggs, etc. When I checked them today one >is doing great, but the other has a laying worker. I have never seen this >before and thus missed the signs. I previously posted a picture of the hive >with what I now know was drone brood on the landing pad and cappings all >over. Lesson learned! The worker has been laying for a while as there is >plenty of capped drone brood. The population now has lots of drones, but >still about 30-40% workers. > >Now what? Should I let it die out and store the equipment for next year? >Should I put the hive body on my other new hive? I have read a lot about >it, and read the options, but wanted to get some suggestions. What would >you do? > >Thanks, >Dave > > You may just have a drone laying queen. If that is the case you can just requeen. beekeep Article 29886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drawing foundation Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:19:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3b0b1e0f.102188396@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:303 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29886 On Tue, 22 May 2001 17:20:45 +0100, "s" wrote: >I have just taken over a hive of bees in which half the brood chamber is new >foundation >The bees seem intent on building cells in between the foundation rather than >drawing out the foundation >Dose anyone have any tips on educating the bees of their error? >Martin Close the frames up tight to one another. beekeep > Article 29887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b0b1d67.102020771@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:46:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 990585967 65.13.109.136 (Tue, 22 May 2001 19:46:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:46:07 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29887 If that is the case, wouldn't I see supercedure cells? I didn't see any sign of queen cells. Plus, I looked for the queen (she was even marked) and didn't see her. To put in a new queen I would have to find her and kill her or the laying worker. If I can't find either, how can I introduce a new queen? Sorry, but this is new territory for me. If I can just introduce a new queen, that would be great. There is a queen breeder about 45 minutes drive from my house. I could go a pick up a new one up. Easy!!! I do think I know what went wrong. When I installed the package I released one of the queens that day and one two days later. The one released immediately is the hive that had eggs first, but now it is in trouble. Thanks, Dave "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b0b1d67.102020771@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:20:11 GMT, "Dave" > wrote: > > >In installed two packages a month and a half ago. After a couple of weeks > >they both looked good, plenty of eggs, etc. When I checked them today one > >is doing great, but the other has a laying worker. I have never seen this > >before and thus missed the signs. I previously posted a picture of the hive > >with what I now know was drone brood on the landing pad and cappings all > >over. Lesson learned! The worker has been laying for a while as there is > >plenty of capped drone brood. The population now has lots of drones, but > >still about 30-40% workers. > > > >Now what? Should I let it die out and store the equipment for next year? > >Should I put the hive body on my other new hive? I have read a lot about > >it, and read the options, but wanted to get some suggestions. What would > >you do? > > > >Thanks, > >Dave > > > > > You may just have a drone laying queen. If that is the case you can > just requeen. > > beekeep > > Article 29888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9eakqt$bjb$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Im not a hypochondriac, but....... Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <5QGO6.19007$y_3.7191469@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:16:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 990591361 24.167.5.152 (Tue, 22 May 2001 23:16:01 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:16:01 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29888 I typically get a small swelling and it's really more the itching the next day that bothers me more. However, recently I gotstung on the side of the nose and my face looked like George Foreman had punched me. It was very diifcult for anyone to take me seriously at work once they saw my face. Robert Talk Backyard Beekeeper & "Aggie who now wears his veil" Spring, Texas "Larry Reynolds" wrote in message news:tgm6qnqrb27r8b@corp.supernews.com... > Similar situation here, I got stung first time in the season, (Texas) and my > mentor beekeeper says the first few stings of the season give bigger local > reactions. I got stung on the wrist (not wearing gloves) and my arm from > elbow to fingers went tympanic. The BIG book (Hive and the Honeybee) says > local reactions are typical and if swelling continues even 24 hours after > the sting, this is, what they call, normal. I tend to swell up quite a bit, > so I suit up when I go after the bees, even when it is 100 degrees outside. > I get stung enough without having bees, as we are festooned with wasps, > hornets and bumblebees, horseflies, fireants, but I digress. > > I see an allergist once per week and I am going to ask about something to > keep the swelling down, as it can be a real pain in the arse (pardon the > pun) when you have to go out in public with your face, or whatever, all > swollen. > > I will let you know what I find out. > > Larry Reynolds > Urban Bee Keeper > College Station, Texas > ratrace@tca.net > > > Article 29889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!newsfeed.attap.net!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Lines: 82 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:39:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990592743 32.100.218.69 (Wed, 23 May 2001 04:39:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:39:03 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29889 Hi I purchased two swarm traps. I put one trap out with the lure out of the bag with the cap close. THe other I put in the secound trap with the lid open. THe one with The lid open had a swarm the next day. The one with the lid closed had a swarm the third day. These traps are wonderfull . I just sit on my porch and the bees come to me. lol its nice since I dont have much time left from sniffing thelures lol AL wrote in message news:3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net... > > Not to mention lacking bladder and bowel control. > > AL > > > > > Me wrote: > > > > I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless and > > naked!!!! > > > > -- > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > "AL" wrote in message > > news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > > > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they > > > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these > > > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still present > > > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like > > > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on and > > > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole in > > > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on this > > > > swarm lure situation? > > > > > > > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your affairs > > > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from sniffing > > > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that > > > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't you > > > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > > > > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out for > > > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? I > > > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my pond > > > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In the > > > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > > > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. Apparently > > > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > > > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of my > > > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. Course, > > > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > > > contamination. > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > AL > > > -- > ************************************************* > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > it's the sudden stop at the end. > ************************************************* Article 29890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:44:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990593044 32.100.218.69 (Wed, 23 May 2001 04:44:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:44:04 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29890 Dave You also have varroa mites on your landing pad. Michael in texas Dave wrote in message news:B0zL6.10580$vf6.1124879@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > In one of my new hives this year there was dead bee larvae on the landing > pad this morning. Also, a sand like substance. > > See picture: > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees1.jpg > > Any ideas what is going on? Maybe a supercedure and this is the queen > larvae from the failed ones? Seems whenever I get new packages they > supercede. Upon last look in the hive, about a week ago, this hive looked > strong. I did see some queen cells in the middle of the frames through. > Lots of brood and good activity. This morning the weather is rainy, but > still had some entrance activity so I don't think it is "hive threatening." > > Thanks for the help. > Dave > > > Article 29891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Media bias against beekeepers Lines: 114 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:29:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 990592143 24.167.5.152 (Tue, 22 May 2001 23:29:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:29:03 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29891 Thanks for expressing your views on the subject. After some conjecture, I agree with your idea of providing the media (and the public in general)with more education on the benefits of beekeeping. Perhaps the best way to do this is the same way we'll eventually win the "war on drugs". Put maximum effort into educating school-age children (just like the "Just say No!" anti-drug campaign). It may take awhile, but eventually a generation will grow up accepting the benefits of bees and beekeepers. And, from at least my experience, it will help to re-populate the numbers of beekeepers. It seems to me that the average age of beekeepers as a group only seems to be rising. We're all getting older and not enough "young blood" following in our footsteps. Anyways, thanks for your comments. Robert "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns90A87AE0D742Callendinternodenet@198.161.156.10... > Thanks. > > I went to your site and watched the video. I appreciate the effort you > have put into this, but I still stand by my previous comments. Although > the reporting was somewhat sensational, it was not entirely unbalanced and > is what is to be expected where there is no advocate for beekeeping > apparent. > > The media and community reaction was IMO normal and predictable, given the > terrible job beekeepers have done in keeping positive information in front > of the public. Norman Gary and his sort have not helped our cause and some > beekeepers deliberately cultivate fear in the public or refuse to take the > time to present bees and beekeepers in a positive light locally. Others > simply abuse the public and the media for being ignorant and afraid, rather > than being sympathetic and helping allay the fears. > > Apparently the local people and the media in Texas knew nothing about > bees,and naturally some were afraid. The 'expert' that was called had not > addressed the fear -- and let it escalate. The media did not have any > beekeeper friend to call to help them interpret the situation. > > If the public and the media are ignorant, then it is our problem to solve. > We can either spend our energy deploring this type of episode to an > audience of the converted, or get off our duffs and make sure that the > media understand us and are on our side. If we don't want to see more of > this kind of incident, then we need to get out and do some missionary work > *before* things like this happen. > > People have less contact with agriculture these days and we need to get > good, positive messages into the schools and the media. Our associations > need to send annual letters with honey and posters or fridge magnet or > trinket to the media in their areas saying they have people available 24/7 > to help them understand bees and beekeepers and to provide balanced > interviews. > > Although the beekeeper in this incident may or may not have been within his > rights, a little PR ahead of time and when the incident was underway could > have helped a lot. I gather people had trouble locating and identifying > him and therefore approached anyone they thought could help them before he > appeared on the scene, putting himm at a disadvantage. > > There are always conflicts when agriculture and civilization meet. Odds > are that sometimes things will work out this way. Right or wrong, sometimes > we lose. Sometimes they lose. Win/win is much more likely if PR is in > place before something like this happens. Imagine if the media in this > case had found it easy and natural to call one of us up to get the > beekeeper's perspective on the story. > > Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I'm perfect in this regard. I do very > little missionary work and often move bees in without alerting the > neighbourhood. My excuse is that it us usually only a comparatively few > hives and not in a populated area. Nevertheless, I must confess that I did > have 1,000 hives on my place -- in a hamlet -- one spring. My neighbours > know me and found it humourous. We are in a predominantly agricultural > area, too. > > When I go to a convention and see somebody, usually a woman or hobby > beekeeper walking around dressed as a bee and explaining how she/he goes to > schools and events to tell about bees, I am very grateful. IMO, these > people do more good than a some of those who sit on boards or run for > office in associations, and get far less respect from most of us. If we > are approached by neighbours who want to work with bees or want us to put > bees near their place, we have those stangely dressed people to thank for > the impression they made on school kids or other groups of interested > people and the goodwill they built up in our favour. > > We need more bee missionaries. > > allen > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm > Learn more about why hygienic bees atre important and how to make sure you > have them. > > "Robert Talk" posted in > : > > >Allen, > > > >You really had to see the video to get a good idea of the sensationalism > >of the reports. My comments are at: > >http://beetalk.tripod.com/news_media.htm > > > >Robert > > > >"Allen Dick" wrote in message > >news:Xns90A67398269B2allendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > >> I read both the articles and found them to be quite objective and not > >> negative towards bees. Article 29892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B096498.DCB0ADDE@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:43:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 990593039 24.167.5.152 (Tue, 22 May 2001 23:43:59 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:43:59 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29892 I was one of those that "jumped right in". I knew nothing about beekeeping but came across James Satterfield's web site one day. (It is dedicated to Top Bar Hive beekeeping.) The site aroused my curiosity so much that I immediately built my own TBH and ordered a package of Midmite bees. I did, however, seek out and join my local beekeeping association and I'm glad I did. It's like I now have about 20 new grandmothers and grandfathers who are always willing to help, willing to share their many years of knowledge and always have words of encouragement. I wish to publicly thank each and every member of the Montgomery County Beekeepers Association for helping me and my son to discover a wonderful hobby. Robert Talk http://members.tripod.com/beetalk "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3B096498.DCB0ADDE@atlas.localdomain... > Astroman wrote: > > > > I'm having trouble believing people would get hives when they know so > > little. It's only my second year beekeeping but before I ever dreamed of > > getting hives I took a short course at the university and with it got a > > great text. > > > > It boggles my mind how many mismanaged hives there must be out there. > > > > Anyway thats my 2 cents. > > Good points. When I got my hives, I had an experienced beekeeper set up > my hives and help me through the first season. I'm still learning. I > joined the state beekeepers association here in North Carolina and I > read everything that I can find. So far (knock on wood), I haven't had > any hives with problems. I live about 20 miles from the Brushy Mountain > Bee Supply company, and so I have access to the latest materials and > info. > > > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 29893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 May 2001 10:20:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Lavender Message-ID: <20010523062004.06575.00001054@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29893 Last summer, there were some French beekeepers (who spoke/wrote English) on this site. If you're still around, I have some questions on lavender for you, for I am experimenting with some different types. Buzzylee Article 29894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:22:14 -0400 Lines: 106 Message-ID: <9ega3o$2lcbr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990620601 2797947 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29894 Are these swarms from your hives?? Just a thought..... I was just wondering why catching your own swarm is so exciting compared to preventing your bees from swarming in the first place!? -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Michael Mcelroy" wrote in message news:H9HO6.38574$4f7.2908161@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hi > I purchased two swarm traps. I put one trap out with the lure out of the > bag with the cap close. THe other I put in the secound trap with the lid > open. THe one with The lid open had a swarm the next day. The one with the > lid closed had a swarm the third day. These traps are wonderfull . I just > sit on my porch and the bees come to me. lol its nice since I dont have > much time left from sniffing thelures lol > AL wrote in message > news:3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net... > > > > Not to mention lacking bladder and bowel control. > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > Me wrote: > > > > > > I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless and > > > naked!!!! > > > > > > -- > > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > > > > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > > > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > > "AL" wrote in message > > > news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > > > > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they > > > > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these > > > > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still > present > > > > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like > > > > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on > and > > > > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole > in > > > > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on > this > > > > > swarm lure situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your > affairs > > > > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from sniffing > > > > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that > > > > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't you > > > > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > > > > > > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out > for > > > > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? I > > > > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my > pond > > > > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In the > > > > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > > > > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. > Apparently > > > > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > > > > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of > my > > > > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. Course, > > > > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > > > > contamination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > -- > > ************************************************* > > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > > it's the sudden stop at the end. > > ************************************************* > > Article 29895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 May 2001 10:01:22 GMT References: <9ee77t$9rr$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee stings and venom Message-ID: <20010523060122.06575.00001052@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29895 Our beekeeping club had an entire presentation on apitherapy--one book that was recommended was: "Bees Don't Get Arthritis" by Fred Malone. Buzzylee Article 29896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 39 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 May 2001 10:17:06 GMT References: <9e17ld$iupi$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeping class for kids Message-ID: <20010523061706.06575.00001053@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29896 I give lots of bee presentation to all age kids. First and second graders will be fine w/o any handouts. Come in dressed (or change in to your outfit), including the smoker. Then, ask them if anyone has ever gotten stung and have them raise their hands. Then, ask how many have been stung 5 times, etc. Have a few tell their stories. This dialogue will seque into ominivores, carnivores and then you can get to the "smoker" and the "sociology" of bees (the diff. roles--guard bees, etc.). You can go on to tell a little about anatomy, etc. I label my observation hive w/little stick on arrows and have a table explaining what they are pointing at, i.e., larvae. Since only a few at a time are manageable at the observation hive, I would bring sheets of wax and have each child (one half sheet is fine) roll a candle (bring wick, too)--only takes them a couple minutes but gives them something to do while you're showing other kids the hive. I also provide some different varieties of honey to taste (with LARGE toothpicks or similar) which they can do while I'm showing the kids the bees at the hive. If you insist on handouts, make your own--list common bee terms and have them draw lines to the answer--first graders like this. Make the sheet attractice by putting stickers, etc. on the master then making copies. There are many similar crossword "bee" puzzles you can make yourself--get any $6.00 crossword puzzle program/cd and this is great fun too, for your beekeeping club. Best, Buzzylee PS--besides honey stix as "souvenirs", they have gummy bear type (honey) candies, too. I have little stick on bees as souvenirs, also. Always bring some extra honey bears and give one to the teacher(s) and if you're trying to get more business, give one to other teachers, the principal, etc. They will be beating a path to your door. Oh--allow more time than you think--these presentations given the kids curiosity (adults too) always run over--I've had many presentations scheduled for 45 min. turn into one and one-half hours (and, with their short attention span, I was amazed). i Article 29897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-Unite queen Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:44:26 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29897 Hello I pulled a few frames of brood with nurse bees out of a hive...and thought for sure that I left the queen in the original hive...well I didnt...today is day 3. I want to put the queen back in the parent and let the new hive raise there own...can it safely be done? Can I just put the frame she is on back in still?...or do i have to use some method to re-introduce the queen to the parent colony? or should i just go buy a new queen and put her in the parent hive...and cut the supercedure cells out? Joe Article 29898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:09:58 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3B0BD2C6.119C368E@okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29898 Dave wrote: > The worker has been laying for a while as there is plenty of capped drone > brood.The population now has lots of drones, but still about 30-40% workers. First, are you absolutely positive it's a laying worker? Could be your queen was poorly mated. Try to find your queen and put a queen excluder on the brood super she is in. Make sure she can't get to a honey super or another brood super. Then watch for awhile and check often to see if she is laying drone or worker brood. Now what? Should I let it die out and store the equipment for next year? Look on this as an OJT experience. Find out if your queen is OK first (if not then see below). Then if you've still got somebody laying lots of drone brood try doing what I did. Isolate your queen from the rest of the hive for the moment, take all the rest of the hive and walk about 25 yards away from it's location. DUMP all the bees! Take every frame out of the box and shake it all on the ground. Put all the frames back in the box and everything (including your queen) back in their original spot. All those bees will putter around in the grass for awhile and eventually make their way back home. Odds are you will lose your drone layer in the process. It sounds drastic, but the bees won't come to any great harm and it will probably save a hive for you. Plan on having to help the hive through the summer so it can rebuild it's workforce of workers. Queen is poorly mated. If she is the culprit, try this. Take the super she is in and leave it on the original site. Take a frame or two of brood put them in another box and shake some worker bees into it from the hive. Put this box right next to the original hive but turn the entrance around so it faces opposite the other hive's entrance. Order your new queen and when she comes put her in the new box you created. After she is released and laying good, go find your other queen and do the dirty deed to her. Then combine the two boxes on the orignial site. You can use the newspaper method or not. Some argue for it, some against. I've done it and it works. Others say to just put the two together and let them settle their differences like real honeybees do. Whatever melts your wax. Above all Dave, don't be afraid to experiment. > Gary J. Article 29899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:19:23 -0400 Organization: IT Dept, Lambton College Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3B0BF11B.A721E5CB@lambton.on.ca> References: <3b0b1d67.102020771@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29899 Dave wrote: > If that is the case, wouldn't I see supercedure cells? no, i think just the opposite. if you have a laying worker, i believe you will see supercedure cells. Introduce a new queen, and I believe a laying worker will cease and desist. > > You may just have a drone laying queen. If that is the case you can > > just requeen. > > > > beekeep > > > > Article 29900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead bee larvae on landing pad? - picture Lines: 45 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:25:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990638710 12.73.42.231 (Wed, 23 May 2001 17:25:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:25:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29900 OK, I've looked at the pic again. There are no varroa discernable in the picture, lots of possibles but no definites. Maybe I am not eating enough carrots or you have access to the FBI's image enhancement technology. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Michael Mcelroy" wrote in message news:oeHO6.38617$4f7.2909048@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Dave > You also have varroa mites on your landing pad. > Michael in texas > Dave wrote in message > news:B0zL6.10580$vf6.1124879@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > > In one of my new hives this year there was dead bee larvae on the landing > > pad this morning. Also, a sand like substance. > > > > See picture: > > > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees1.jpg > > > > Any ideas what is going on? Maybe a supercedure and this is the queen > > larvae from the failed ones? Seems whenever I get new packages they > > supercede. Upon last look in the hive, about a week ago, this hive looked > > strong. I did see some queen cells in the middle of the frames through. > > Lots of brood and good activity. This morning the weather is rainy, but > > still had some entrance activity so I don't think it is "hive > threatening." > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Dave > > > > > > > > Article 29901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard <"poll7356 NO SPAM "@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:19:11 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3B0BFF1F.21AD7D42@uidaho.edu> References: <3b0b1d67.102020771@news1.radix.net> <3B0BF11B.A721E5CB@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 990641848 29995 129.101.81.64 (23 May 2001 18:17:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 2001 18:17:28 GMT To: Mark Veltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29901 NOT ALWAYS! If the laying worker thinks she is a queen, she will kill your introduced queen. I had a laying-worker hive last year. tried to introduce a queen 4 times. No dice. The hive died this past winter. Ugh, laying worker. Bad news. Matthew Mark Veltman wrote: > Dave wrote: > > > If that is the case, wouldn't I see supercedure cells? > > no, i think just the opposite. if you have a laying worker, i believe you will > see supercedure cells. Introduce a new queen, and I believe a laying worker > will cease and desist. Article 29902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Hawkins" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: drawing foundation Lines: 24 Organization: L&RBKA X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:35:05 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.237.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 990642923 62.255.237.222 (Wed, 23 May 2001 19:35:23 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:35:23 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:304 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29902 I am a relatively new beekeeper like yourself. Yesterday the class I attend came upon a similar frame and the instructor told us it was because the foundation had been put on when the weather was too cold for the bees to manipulate wax to draw out the foundation. I think the lesson to be learned is to wait for the warmer weather or use drawn comb.... Peter "s" wrote in message news:tgl4ic4akgbf32@xo.supernews.co.uk... > I have just taken over a hive of bees in which half the brood chamber is new > foundation > The bees seem intent on building cells in between the foundation rather than > drawing out the foundation > Dose anyone have any tips on educating the bees of their error? > Martin > > Article 29903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.74.65.73.MISMATCH!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Hawkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9e97q2$4l1$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Any equipment for sale - UK Lines: 21 Organization: L&RBKA X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:38:56 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.238.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 990646755 62.255.238.210 (Wed, 23 May 2001 20:39:15 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:39:15 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29903 Have you tried contacting your local beekeeping association? Ours has loads of second-hand equipment for sale and you get free advice and mentoring, if required! Peter "Richard Rawson" wrote in message news:9e97q2$4l1$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Anyone in the north of England selling up and wishes to sell their bee > keepinmg equpiment to a keen newcomer to the "art". > > Please contact richard@rawsonpottery.fsnet.co.uk > > Many thanks > > > > Article 29904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "johnniki" Subject: Queen Problems Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:15:38 -0700 Lines: 44 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust127.tnt11.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.31.127 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29904 Hi all, I'm looking for some advice with one of my hives that is having a bad year. In a nutshell, I have a queen who is producing very little and they have two queen cups with larva. There appears also to be a laying worker in the other hive body (a separate patch of all drone brood), I'm not sure whether to do anything about the queen cups, as the existing queen is obviously not up to snuff, and I assume the laying worker will not live too long, so that problem should eliminate itself. I don't want them to swarm again if I let them raise another queen, but the queen does need to be replaced. Any opinions appreciated. Now for the 'long' story: I requeened this hive in the spring with a clipped queen (All-American), because the existing queen is several years old. She was released from her cage promptly & was laying a ton of eggs, all looked well, they had plenty of room. I didn't bother them for maybe a month, when one day I watched a swarm leave the box. I have captured the swarm, they are doing splendidly. I don't know what happened to the clipped queen, as the swarm obviously had a queen who could fly! I examined the box & discovered a very young queen (she was running around making piping noises). I let things be, giving her time to get down to business. She eventually was laying eggs, thought things were well. Meanwhile I had divided another large hive, requeening one with another All American, this time unclipped. Later when I checked on her, she was not laying much, and her mark is gone, so I'm not even sure it is 'her', although sometimes the marks disappear quickly so who knows. I checked the other box mentioned first, to discover they were queenless, with nothing but capped brood. I have no clue what happened to the young laying queen they had raised. I elected to combine these two hives, since although weak, the one at least had a queen. So this is the situation as it stands, they combined OK, and the weak queen is laying, and they seem to be readying to replace her (or swarm again? I hope not). Just wondering what thoughts or further actions more experienced might suggest, or should I just let them work this all out themselves. They have lots of nectar/honey/pollen, two hive deep bodies & one shallow super. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 29905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B0C1CC3.9E1F68C@airtel.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:25:39 +0200 From: "Jose Matas (Airtel)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender References: <20010523062004.06575.00001054@ng-ct1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.75 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.75 X-Trace: 23 May 2001 22:18:03 +0100, 212.73.49.75 Lines: 22 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news!212.73.49.75 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29905 I am cultivating Lanvadula dentata with excelent results, on the other hand Landula angustifolia it does do too well around here, the soil is calcareous. I am experimenting a Lavandula "africna pride" it seems is doing better than any other varietaty. In another mediterranean islands, like Ibiza and Menorca, Lanvadula stoekas (?) does better than the dentata, it all depends on the soil. Post questions on the newsgroup and you will get a public answer. Best wishes from Mallorca, LKLarson1 wrote: > Last summer, there were some French beekeepers (who spoke/wrote English) on > this site. If you're still around, I have some questions on lavender for you, > for I am experimenting with some different types. > > Buzzylee Article 29906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Lines: 66 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:17:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990652622 12.73.43.146 (Wed, 23 May 2001 21:17:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:17:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29906 Dave, Given the history of this colony, I would not waste my time trying to re-queen. In all likelihood, it had been queenless for a while and as it weakened it was robbed. IF you have a laying worker (and that is a big if at this point) you can re-queen it but that involves using a queen-right nuc which I doubt you have. Rest assured that if you try to introduce a caged queen into a colony with a laying worker, your $12.00 queen will be the loser and will be deader than a door nail. One of natures jokes is that a colony with a laying worker will be just as content as one with a good quality mated queen. I'll give you 2 options, but want to stress that because of the history and since we are talking about packages that were only installed 6 - 7 weeks ago, I'd go with option 1. 1). Since you have another hive that appears healthy and I am guessing that it is close by, my advice: Remove the weak hive to about 15 feet away, standing tall shake all the frames and let the bees fall into the grass. Any laying worker(s) won't make it back. The other workers will fly back to the original site and in the absence of their hive they will enter a neighboring hive with little resistance from the guard bees. Now go read up on splitting! 2). Note: this involves some risk to and will weaken the healthy colony. Order a mated queen. On the day she arrives, remove the weak hive to about 15 feet away. Take a few frames of bees and brood WITH THE QUEEN from the healthy hive and put them in an empty brood box with a bottom board and top at the same location where you removed the weak hive (you've just made a nuc). Now go back to the weak hive and standing tall shake all the frames and let the bees fall into the grass. The normal workers and drones will join the nuc and any laying workers will be lost in the grass. The following day you can introduce the caged queen to the formerly queen-right colony. Are you beginning to appreciate the value of having a nuc on hand? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Dave" wrote in message news:v5yO6.26651$vf6.2601832@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > In installed two packages a month and a half ago. After a couple of weeks > they both looked good, plenty of eggs, etc. When I checked them today one > is doing great, but the other has a laying worker. I have never seen this > before and thus missed the signs. I previously posted a picture of the hive > with what I now know was drone brood on the landing pad and cappings all > over. Lesson learned! The worker has been laying for a while as there is > plenty of capped drone brood. The population now has lots of drones, but > still about 30-40% workers. > > Now what? Should I let it die out and store the equipment for next year? > Should I put the hive body on my other new hive? I have read a lot about > it, and read the options, but wanted to get some suggestions. What would > you do? > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Article 29907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:24:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.236.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 990653046 168.191.236.228 (Wed, 23 May 2001 14:24:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:24:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:22:17 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29907 I had a hive winter kill. when I opened it up it had no bees and was covered in mould. As I didn't have a strong hive to put it on, I took a hose spray and washed as much of the mould off as I could. I then set the two hive boxes on a couple of blocks and put the bottom board over the top so the frames could dry out. I went back yesterday and found bees flying all around the hive. At first I thought "ROBBERS" because there was a little capped honey in some of the frames. What really happened is that a large swarm has moved in. Thank you who ever it is that is not watching their hives. Darrell Article 29908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Paul Watkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,slac.comp.computefarm,uk.business.agriculture Subject: Re: Buying Hay and Grains Fron the Farm Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:11:56 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <5X5O6.1682$k4.41557@e420r-atl4.usenetserver.com> <1sp934ALZPC7EwRv@upthorpe.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29908 sci.agriculture.fruit:3969 sci.agriculture.poultry:30602 sci.agriculture.ratites:1717 >Winter barley straw at no less than 28/T baled in field ready to load or >it gets ploughed in. -- >Oz Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a > thousand miles from the cornfield. [Dwight D. Eisenhower] > >{Using a smoothwall router} Looks like he would have a long way to come to fetch the stuff. I've sent straw to Ireland before , that was bad enough with the regulations on the ferry. Article 29909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:33:40 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 91 Message-ID: <3B0C56E4.25B9C624@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29909 Good success rate!! - the paper bags these come in are no barrier to the scent molecules, and the plastic tubes have been very carefully screened, so that the type used will allow the molecules to slowly come through the plastic - without taking the caps off. The distributors don't seem to be communicating this to their customers very well. When the lure is inside the trap, the pheromone level builds up to a very effective level quickly (in minutes). With the lids closed, the lures should last all summer. Michael Mcelroy wrote: > Hi > I purchased two swarm traps. I put one trap out with the lure out of the > bag with the cap close. THe other I put in the secound trap with the lid > open. THe one with The lid open had a swarm the next day. The one with the > lid closed had a swarm the third day. These traps are wonderfull . I just > sit on my porch and the bees come to me. lol its nice since I dont have > much time left from sniffing thelures lol > AL wrote in message > news:3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net... > > > > Not to mention lacking bladder and bowel control. > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > Me wrote: > > > > > > I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless and > > > naked!!!! > > > > > > -- > > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > > > > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > > > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > > "AL" wrote in message > > > news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > > > > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that they > > > > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night these > > > > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still > present > > > > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled like > > > > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on > and > > > > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small hole > in > > > > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on > this > > > > > swarm lure situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your > affairs > > > > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from sniffing > > > > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that > > > > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't you > > > > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > > > > > > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out > for > > > > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? I > > > > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my > pond > > > > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In the > > > > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > > > > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. > Apparently > > > > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > > > > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of > my > > > > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. Course, > > > > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > > > > contamination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > -- > > ************************************************* > > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > > it's the sudden stop at the end. > > ************************************************* Article 29910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees in a mobile home Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:24:48 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3B0C54D0.9E083202@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3B0A754C.94CFA324@tir.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29910 Dan & Anne Nowak wrote: > A swarm of wild honeybees has taken up residence through a small > hole in the side of a mobile home in northeastern Michigan. The bees > are only a minor annoyance, and are very interesting to observe, but the > bees have made a sticky mess to the outside of the home. Honey and wax > are now oozing from small cracks in the siding. We really don't know > how many bees are in there, and they have been at it for three years > now. The owner of the home wants them out of there and just > wants to kill them. you might tell the owner that his inattention to this problem has moved it to the level of ripping the side off the home to remove 3 years-worth of messy insulation, wax, honey, pollen, and old brood. If this is a rural area with bears, they might help him along on this project. That might be even more interesting to observe. Article 29911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Unite queen Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:42:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B0C6721.A90755D2@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29911 Betoday > is day 3. I want to put the queen back in the parent and let the new hive > raise there own...can it safely be done? Can I just put the frame she is on > back in still?...or do i have to use some method to re-introduce the queen > to the parent colony? > > or should i just go buy a new queen and put her in the parent hive...and cut > the supercedure cells out? > > Joe Well Joe I don't know where your from so it's hard to answer. Are you expecting a honey flow soon? It depends on what you expect from the new hive you have made. Do you want honey from it this season ( I'm assumiong it's spring where you are)? It boils down to this. If you let the bees make their own queen, it will take about 35-40 days until you see new workers hatching out. Then add on maybe another 6-10 till they start to forage. Do you want to lose that production? If it was me ..leave the queen where she is and buy a queen. Kent Stienburg Ontario Canada Article 29912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:44:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3b0c6678.186263371@news1.radix.net> References: <3b0b1d67.102020771@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29912 On Wed, 23 May 2001 02:46:07 GMT, "Dave" wrote: >If that is the case, wouldn't I see supercedure cells? I didn't see any >sign of queen cells. Plus, I looked for the queen (she was even marked) and >didn't see her. To put in a new queen I would have to find her and kill her >or the laying worker. If I can't find either, how can I introduce a new >queen? Sorry, but this is new territory for me. If I can just introduce a >new queen, that would be great. There is a queen breeder about 45 minutes >drive from my house. I could go a pick up a new one up. Easy!!! > >I do think I know what went wrong. When I installed the package I released >one of the queens that day and one two days later. The one released >immediately is the hive that had eggs first, but now it is in trouble. > >Thanks, >Dave > If you are sure that the hive is queenless, order a new queen. When she arrives take two frames of brood with the nurse bees from the other hive (make damn sure the queen is not on these two frames) and put them in the other hive with the new queen in her cage. The bees will be so confused with the new bees that when all is said and done the new queen will be accepted. beekeep Article 29913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B03AB60.18DB3C4F@together.net> <9e0aja$m5h$1@saltmine.radix.net> <9e8ijr$9vs$1@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 32 Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:48:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990676109 198.161.229.178 (Wed, 23 May 2001 21:48:29 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:48:29 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29913 Charlie Kroeger posted in : > I take it to mean the respected US Gov. employee is Dr. Erickson > or do you mean the woman with the hyphenated name? Visit http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/index.html and you can decide for yourself. > I don't know Ms. DiGrandi-Hoffman's electronic mail address. http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/hoffman/index.html is one click from the main Carl Hayden web page. >Humm sounds fishy. Is Ms DeGrandi-Hoffman retained by that shadowy >think tank created by Ted Turner... Dunno, I'm not plugged into the paranioa machine. >It may not be a secret in Canada but I've never heard of that >happening. Apis Millifera worker bees laying 'female' eggs. Obviously can't be true then or you would certainly have heard. >How were 'they' able for instance to 'isolate' the worker's 'female' >eggs from the queen's eggs? Apparently even Entomologist find it rare >to observe a worker laying an egg in the midst of a queen rite hive, >even though that egg will be a drone (a small drone it is said) Good question. Don't ask me. allen Article 29914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Select\Commercial\Budget Boxes Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:12:01 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9ej4t6$33qrm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990713575 3271542 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29914 I recently purchased some Hive Boxes that were suppose to be commercial grade. The boxes I received were probably the worst boxes I have every received even to what I consider budget. I called the company and haven't received a response so until I do I won't mention their name. Here's my question. What do other beekeepers feel the standards are for example. Select Grade = No knots, no cracks or splits. Commercial Grade = Some knots, no knots that leave gaps or that are following out, no cracks or splits. Budget Grade = Several knots, knots falling out, small splits or cracks. I would appreciate any feedback on this issue. -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 29915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Peaches and pruning Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:25:50 -0400 Lines: 50 Message-ID: <9ej97o$36mqb$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <000a01c0e30c$5fd85660$a16bd8ce@oemcomputer> <9ej5l2$30ncq$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3b0d2044$1@nntp.corridor.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990718009 3365707 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29915 sci.agriculture.fruit:3972 Chuck! I hate to hear that, but I am sure it is very true. I am forwarding this message to the Beekeeping group and I hope that if there is anyone in the Austin area they can write you! -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Chuck Robinson" wrote in message news:3b0d2044$1@nntp.corridor.net... > My 6 year old granddaughter was looking over my shoulder and asked me "what > kind of armer" do beef wear?" > > Question, I live SW of Austin TX. Yesterday I saw two swarms of Bees > sprayed by a Commercial Exterminator. They said it was common for this to > happen 6 to 10 times/yr in this area. Are there any commercial "Bee > Farmers" in the area?" > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > news:9ej5l2$30ncq$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > Deep pruning would be late for peaches although pinching off can be good > all > > year! > > > > -- > > BeeFarmer > > OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > ""huberb"" wrote in message > > news:000a01c0e30c$5fd85660$a16bd8ce@oemcomputer... > > Though it's too late for this year, I'd like to discuss pruning with > someone > > knowledgeable, preferably by e-mail exchange rather than through the > > newgroup. If anyone would be interested, please drop me a note. Thanks. > > Bill > > > > > > Article 29916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard <"poll7356 NO SPAM "@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Select\Commercial\Budget Boxes Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:18:41 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3B0D3461.440049C5@uidaho.edu> References: <9ej4t6$33qrm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 990721017 22752 129.101.81.64 (24 May 2001 16:16:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 2001 16:16:57 GMT To: BeeFarmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29916 I guess my rule of thumb would have to start with usability. If they are falling apart, shoddy workpersonship, are not structurally sound and have holes and excessive cracks AND they are not usable for beekeeping- then they are as good as firewood. But if they are a bit cracked and knotty- but can still handle the load of 75lbs of honey- then they are OK. Above that in wood quality and longevity of the hive body. If I was sent some non usable items, then i wouldn't hesitate to send them back to the company that provided them to you. But are you being snotty ("oh no, there is a small splitting knot that is ugly")? Which is what i bet the supplier is thinking... If the company won't take their hive bodies back, i'd certainly post on these two newsgroups (but provide some photos of the junk they sent you- rememerb ethos, pathos and logos) who the company is. As for the grading: Select is the best- we are talking about living room furniture grade here. Something that is really nice to look at, has great tight finger joints, no knots, cracks or blemishes in the wood. If we were making our own this is what we'd strive for. Commercial: built to be a bit cheaper by using the lower quality wood with tight knots and funky grain patterns. But still structurally sound, good tight finger joints. This grade is made for the beekeeper that will wear out their hive bodies (by shipping the hives around, etc.) before they rot out or fall apart. Budget: For the person that is realizing that beekeeping is a wonderful hobby (or way of life) and also realizes that the capital can be a killer on the pocketbook. These hive bodies are still structurally sound, but have larger unsightly knots, some tight splits running with the grain of the wood (remember, the finger joints are what makes these hive bodies really strong, so a split here and their won't necessarily hurt). Good luck and keep us posted! Matthew poll7356 at uidaho.edu Article 29917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee stings, and body reaction. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:50:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.16.162.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rsm1.occa.home.com 990733854 24.16.162.7 (Thu, 24 May 2001 12:50:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:50:54 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29917 hello all: I have a question about bee stings, and body reaction. first i would like to give brief info. I'm a hobbits, been hiveing for past four years. been stung many times. last week , on friday to be precise I was checking on one hive that all of a sudden was extremely aggressive when opened. I was properly dressed, from head to toe. any way they managed to sting me in both ankles, and several on my right hand. at first I kept on checking the hive when all of a sudden I had a strange sensation all over my body. an unbelievable itching sensation took over. I quit my inspection and took a warm shower. within an hour my whole body was covered with a nasty rash. I kid you not. it was awful. anyway I was working on by pc when I noticed I was having difficulty breathing. ended up going to emergency room and getting benadryl shot. I was fine in two hours. yesterday, I was working in the yard about 100 feet away from hives, when a bee landed on my sweaty face. as a reaction I was trying to fan it off when boom it stung me in my left cheek. in a few hours my face turned into a basketball and my eyes shut. I was put on benadryl and prednisone to reduce inflammation. my questions are has any of you has been through this? what did you do? are there any home remedies or over the counter medication that you take? I thought once you get stung you start building immunity? if you have aggressive have can you replace queen? I know they have been making a hell lots of honey in the past few weeks ( do you think they've become Africanised)? thank you all and have a great safe holiday Mike Article 29918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "jbongi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Brood Comb Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:10:46 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.143.28.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 990738640 209.143.28.14 (Thu, 24 May 2001 17:10:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:10:40 EDT Organization: bright.net Ohio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29918 I have perhaps a dozen frames of drawn brood comb from winter-kill hives. The comb seems in good condition but some of the brood cells are capped (w/ dead brood, obviously) and some others are filed with honey and or pollen; still others have dead bees in them. I don't see signs of AFB or other disease - e.g. no bad odors, no stringy brood, no wax moths, etc... The question is, can I reuse these in another colony? ...or am I asking for trouble? Article 29919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.74.65.73.MISMATCH!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Hirst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones in super Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:47:24 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-98-246.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29919 I took super of today to extract and found one frame half full of drone larvae. Why do they take eggs through queen excluder and how do you stop it. Thanks Paul Article 29920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> <9ega3o$2lcbr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Lines: 125 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:07:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990745623 32.100.218.25 (Thu, 24 May 2001 23:07:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:07:03 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29920 nope these bees were not from my bees. I have russian bees and the swarms i caught had italian queens michael BeeFarmer wrote in message news:9ega3o$2lcbr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Are these swarms from your hives?? Just a thought..... I was just > wondering why catching your own swarm is so exciting compared to preventing > your bees from swarming in the first place!? > > -- > BeeFarmer > OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Michael Mcelroy" wrote in message > news:H9HO6.38574$4f7.2908161@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Hi > > I purchased two swarm traps. I put one trap out with the lure out of the > > bag with the cap close. THe other I put in the secound trap with the lid > > open. THe one with The lid open had a swarm the next day. The one with the > > lid closed had a swarm the third day. These traps are wonderfull . I just > > sit on my porch and the bees come to me. lol its nice since I dont have > > much time left from sniffing thelures lol > > AL wrote in message > > news:3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net... > > > > > > Not to mention lacking bladder and bowel control. > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me wrote: > > > > > > > > I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless and > > > > naked!!!! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > > > > > > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > > > > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > > > "AL" wrote in message > > > > news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > > > > > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that > they > > > > > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night > these > > > > > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still > > present > > > > > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled > like > > > > > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps on > > and > > > > > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small > hole > > in > > > > > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts on > > this > > > > > > swarm lure situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your > > affairs > > > > > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from > sniffing > > > > > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now that > > > > > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't > you > > > > > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > > > > > > > > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back out > > for > > > > > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the traps? > I > > > > > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my > > pond > > > > > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In > the > > > > > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > > > > > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. > > Apparently > > > > > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > > > > > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner of > > my > > > > > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. > Course, > > > > > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > > > > > contamination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ************************************************* > > > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > > > it's the sudden stop at the end. > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > Article 29921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 May 2001 00:21:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Old Brood Comb Message-ID: <20010524202146.02903.00001282@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29921 A strong colony will clean then right up. Article 29922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 May 2001 00:30:45 GMT References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Message-ID: <20010524203045.02903.00001284@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29922 A rash away from the sting site is a systemic reaction and indicative of allergy as is difficulty breathing. An allergist may be able to desensitize you or pronounce you dead. Ain't no gaurantees. Article 29923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Select\Commercial\Budget Boxes Date: 24 May 2001 16:56:23 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9ek73701scg@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9ej4t6$33qrm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-083.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29923 In article <9ej4t6$33qrm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>, "BeeFarmer" says... > >I recently purchased some Hive Boxes that were suppose to be commercial >grade. The boxes I received were probably the worst boxes I have every >received even to what I consider budget.... >What do other beekeepers feel the standards are for example. >Select Grade = No knots, no cracks or splits. Commercial Grade = Some >knots, no knots that leave gaps or that are following out, no cracks or >splits. Budget Grade = Several knots, knots falling out, small splits or >cracks. Here's our standards: a) We SELECTED a good table saw (a sale at Sears!) b) We use COMMERCIAL methods (a dado blade and a well-engineered set of homebrew jigs) c) We thereby have excellent woodenware on a BUDGET Seriously, the quality of dimensional lumber has gone straight down while the price has gone straight up. What you got may have been about the best that the vendor could supply. Talk to any older carpenter, and you will hear the same story. The funny thing about lumber is that they sell it by the foot, but it always costs an arm and a leg! Our breakdown is as follows: 10" Table saw $150.00, Carbide-tipped dado blade $60.00, 1" x 8" x 12' stock, about $3 each at the local lumber mill. One can complete 50 supers between lunch and dinner without working hard. We make and use 100% "mediums". You do the math. jim Farmageddon Article 29924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "bluehawk" From: "bluehawk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:55:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.41.36 X-Trace: news2.atl 990755100 209.214.41.36 (Thu, 24 May 2001 21:45:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:45:00 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29924 I live in Soddy Daisy Tennessee. I just got a bee hive. I don't have a clue as to what I am doing. That about sums it up. I read books and a few journals and thought I was ready to keep bees so I ordered a hive and set it up and got a nuck of bees and installed them and all seems to be going well. The Queen is out of the trap and in the body of the hive. The bees have stayed in the hive and they seem to be working something. At least they are makeing many many trips in and out of the hive. So what do I do now? When do I put on a super? How do I know if they get infected with mites? When should I make my next check on them? I know I need to check for brood but they seem so tightly packed in th ehive that I am afraid of hurting a bunch of them if I remove a frame. Any help or advice would be really appreciated. Article 29925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 May 2001 02:28:14 GMT References: <9ek73701scg@drn.newsguy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Select\Commercial\Budget Boxes Message-ID: <20010524222814.04073.00000941@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29925 For rabetted supers you dont even need a dado. Article 29926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 May 2001 02:31:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Help Message-ID: <20010524223132.04073.00000942@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29926 The best book I could reccomend for someone in your shoes is Walter Kelley "How to keep bees and sell honey" Look online for midnite bee website http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Find the pink pages they arn't bad Article 29927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Kelly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive beetles Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:34:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.168.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 990758056 168.191.168.103 (Thu, 24 May 2001 19:34:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:34:16 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:32:31 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29927 How do I identify hive beetles? I have found some varmit's under some of my combs that were stored in a building outside overwinter.Some of these bugs or worms were still alive and were medium brown in color. They were about 3/8" or 1/2" long. Unlike wax worms they Have lots of tiny legs and a hard shell.. I have seen the picture in Mann Lake catalogue but it doesn't have enough detail to help with I.D. Can I safely use these combs on my hives or will they infect my colonies? Thanks Article 29928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Waraey Hackyr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What needs to be put on a honey jar label? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:09:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 990763752 24.167.5.152 (Thu, 24 May 2001 23:09:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:09:12 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29928 What needs to be put on a honey jar label? weight in lbs and oz, what else? Article 29929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:26:25 -0400 Lines: 152 Message-ID: <9elfio$cva$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> <9ega3o$2lcbr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990790041 13290 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29929 I'd have to say, I sure wish I could sit on my porch and catch everyone else's bees!!! : ) -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Michael Mcelroy" wrote in message news:rugP6.42958$t12.3282575@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > nope these bees were not from my bees. I have russian bees and the swarms i > caught had italian queens > michael > BeeFarmer wrote in message > news:9ega3o$2lcbr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > Are these swarms from your hives?? Just a thought..... I was just > > wondering why catching your own swarm is so exciting compared to > preventing > > your bees from swarming in the first place!? > > > > -- > > BeeFarmer > > OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > "Michael Mcelroy" wrote in message > > news:H9HO6.38574$4f7.2908161@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > Hi > > > I purchased two swarm traps. I put one trap out with the lure out of > the > > > bag with the cap close. THe other I put in the secound trap with the > lid > > > open. THe one with The lid open had a swarm the next day. The one with > the > > > lid closed had a swarm the third day. These traps are wonderfull . I > just > > > sit on my porch and the bees come to me. lol its nice since I dont have > > > much time left from sniffing thelures lol > > > AL wrote in message > > > news:3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net... > > > > > > > > Not to mention lacking bladder and bowel control. > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've also heard that it causes your children to be born toothless > and > > > > > naked!!!! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > > > > > > > > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > > > > > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > > > > > "AL" wrote in message > > > > > news:3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net... > > > > > > "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased swarm lures a year ago and had two swarm boxes that > > they > > > > > > > were installed into. No swarms had ever entered. Last night > > these > > > > > > > boxes were opened and discovered that the liquid lure was still > > > present > > > > > > > after a year of exposure! I popped the cap off and it smelled > > like > > > > > > > lemon furniture polish. The instructions say to leave the caps > on > > > and > > > > > > > that the pheromone lasts about 3 months. I poked a very small > > hole > > > in > > > > > > > the cap to make sure that the pheromone escapes. Any thoughts > on > > > this > > > > > > > swarm lure situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. Now that you're hopelessly contaminated, do you have your > > > affairs > > > > > > in order? Got a Will drawn up? I though my brain damage from > > sniffing > > > > > > those things was bad, can't imagine what will happen to you now > that > > > > > > you've actually absorbed that stuff thru the skin. Hell, why don't > > you > > > > > > just eat the things and get it over with??? > > > > > > > > > > > > For what time you have left you may as well hang the traps back > out > > > for > > > > > > another try. What sort of location are you selecting for the > traps? > > I > > > > > > have 55 acres and at least 6 traps out. Each year the trap near my > > > pond > > > > > > catches at least two swarms while the other traps remain empty. In > > the > > > > > > immediate vicinity of the pond are russian olives, persimmons, and > > > > > > ledino(sp) clover, all of which seem to attract lots of bees. > > > Apparently > > > > > > the promise of a good food & water supply is attractive to swarms. > > > > > > Unfortunately for them, I then haul them to a God forsaken corner > of > > > my > > > > > > property where they spend their last days eking out a living. > > Course, > > > > > > that's gotta be better than dying a painful death from swarm lure > > > > > > contamination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ************************************************* > > > > It's not the pace of life that concerns me, > > > > it's the sudden stop at the end. > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 29930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in super Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:27:17 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9elfkc$d6s$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990790095 13532 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29930 You sure you don't have a queen up there or a laying worker? -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Paul Hirst" wrote in message news:9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > I took super of today to extract and found one frame half full of drone > larvae. Why do they take eggs through queen excluder and how do you stop it. > Thanks > Paul > > Article 29931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Select\Commercial\Budget Boxes Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:37:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3b0e438c.308391277@news1.radix.net> References: <9ej4t6$33qrm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29931 On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:12:01 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >I recently purchased some Hive Boxes that were suppose to be commercial >grade. The boxes I received were probably the worst boxes I have every >received even to what I consider budget. I called the company and haven't >received a response so until I do I won't mention their name. Here's my >question. What do other beekeepers feel the standards are for example. >Select Grade = No knots, no cracks or splits. Commercial Grade = Some >knots, no knots that leave gaps or that are following out, no cracks or >splits. Budget Grade = Several knots, knots falling out, small splits or >cracks. >BeeFarmer You pretty much have it pegged. The knots shouldn't be loose and falling out on budget grade. They may be in the machined areas though. beekeep Article 29932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What needs to be put on a honey jar label? Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:46:57 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3B0E6251.E7368010@okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29932 Waraey Hackyr wrote: > What needs to be put on a honey jar label? > > weight in lbs and oz, what else? Go to your local farmer's market. Look at the labeling on the honey there. After that it's pretty much up to what you want to say. Gary J. Article 29933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 36 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:54:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.177 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990784450 198.161.229.177 (Fri, 25 May 2001 03:54:10 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:54:10 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29933 >Given the history of this colony, I would not waste my time trying to >re-queen. In all likelihood, it had been queenless for a while and as it >weakened it was robbed. IF you have a laying worker (and that is a big >if at this point) you can re-queen it but that involves using a >queen-right nuc I don't know what works best where you are and if there is a flow on, or if there is pressure from robbiing bees from neighbours' yards, but where I live, I just combine the bad hive with a good one by stacking the brood chamber from the good hive on top of the poor one (assuming they are adjacent) and then I clean up all signs of the second colony so there is no confusion. I don't use newspaper or vanilla, or much smoke, but I also make sure that I do it when the bees are well-fed and in a good mood, not during a dearth or robbing. A week or so later, when I have a queen handy, I make a split and then move the split colony over a bit and place the new one beside it, making sure that they look similar in size, colour and shape. The returning bees divide between the two and if one is getting too many, that hive can be moved back a tad or turned a little, or something can be placed in front to divert bees. Actually, when introducing a new queen, it is not desirable to have too many old (flying) bees in the hive, so if the new hive has to do with fewer at first, the new queen has a better chance. After the new queen is laying, you can divert more flying bees into that hive, by moving the hives around a little when bees are foraging and watching the effects on returning bees, again assuming good conditions and non-defensive bees. The advantage of the above technique is that the normal hive deals with the laying workers, and the split will have all stages of brood and ages of bee if you do a good job of splitting. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 29934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B0E6251.E7368010@okstate.edu> Subject: Re: What needs to be put on a honey jar label? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:20:57 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 990803858 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 25 May 2001 10:17:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:17:38 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29934 Hmm... I 'd also like to know what is required to be placed on a honey label. However, I'd like to know what is required by statute. (Who's to say whether vendors at my local farmer's market are doing it correctly?) Robert Gary Johns wrote in message news:3B0E6251.E7368010@okstate.edu... > Waraey Hackyr wrote: > > > What needs to be put on a honey jar label? > > > > weight in lbs and oz, what else? > > Go to your local farmer's market. Look at the labeling on the honey > there. After that it's pretty much up to what you want to say. > > Gary J. > Article 29935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B0E6251.E7368010@okstate.edu> Subject: Re: What needs to be put on a honey jar label? Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:23:28 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 990804008 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 25 May 2001 10:20:08 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:20:08 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29935 I found an informative link concerning the subject: http://www.nhb.org/howto/labeling.html Robert Cudd wrote in message news:mIuP6.203$bt.1884@newsfeed.slurp.net... > Hmm... I 'd also like to know what is required to be placed on a honey > label. However, I'd like to know what is required by statute. (Who's to say > whether vendors at my local farmer's market are doing it correctly?) > > > Robert > > Gary Johns wrote in message > news:3B0E6251.E7368010@okstate.edu... > > Waraey Hackyr wrote: > > > > > What needs to be put on a honey jar label? > > > > > > weight in lbs and oz, what else? > > > > Go to your local farmer's market. Look at the labeling on the honey > > there. After that it's pretty much up to what you want to say. > > > > Gary J. > > > > Article 29936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: J Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.48.16.155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B0E8152.ECFA90F4@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:59:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29936 The breathing issue sounds scary. Be careful. Talk to your doctor. Ask him/her if you're allergic. Africanized... hmmm doubt it, but you didn't say where you are. In the northern areas where it gets cold over winter - they can't survive. We've had an aggressive hive before. Yes, replacing the queen can calm them down. It may also reduce the amount of honey you get. After replacing the queen it might take up to 6 weeks for them to mellow enough for you to notice, but it does work. maverick wrote: > > hello all: > > I have a question about bee stings, and body reaction. first i would > like to give brief info. I'm a hobbits, been hiveing for past four > years. been stung many times. last week , on friday to be precise I was > checking on one hive that all of a sudden was extremely aggressive when > opened. I was properly dressed, from head to toe. any way they managed > to sting me in both ankles, and several on my right hand. at first I > kept on checking the hive when all of a sudden I had a strange sensation > all over my body. an unbelievable itching sensation took over. I quit my > inspection and took a warm shower. within an hour my whole body was > covered with a nasty rash. I kid you not. it was awful. anyway I was > working on by pc when I noticed I was having difficulty breathing. ended > up going to emergency room and getting benadryl shot. I was fine in two > hours. > yesterday, I was working in the yard about 100 feet away from hives, > when a bee landed on my sweaty face. as a reaction I was trying to fan > it off when boom it stung me in my left cheek. in a few hours my face > turned into a basketball and my eyes shut. I was put on benadryl and > prednisone to reduce inflammation. > > my questions are has any of you has been through this? what did you do? > are there any home remedies or over the counter medication that you > take? > I thought once you get stung you start building immunity? > if you have aggressive have can you replace queen? I know they have been > making a hell lots of honey in the past few weeks ( do you think they've > become Africanised)? > > thank you all and have a great safe holiday > Mike Article 29937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AgroHispana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groHispana.com (English) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:16:40 +0200 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.163.219.199 Message-ID: <3b0eb0d8$1_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 25 May 2001 21:22:00 +0100, 212.163.219.199 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29937 Dear @groSurfer: We want to put in your knowledge the presence in the net of @groHispana.com, the Hispanic page of Agriculture and Cattle raising http://www.agrohispana.com With our sections: @groEscuela With technical documents of on: application machinery, plagues of the cotton, conservation agriculture, etc. Also has a wide fan of publications sent by our col@boradores. @groPreguntas It is the encounter place for people that look for agricultural information. @groNoticias The most important news in the sector, upgraded every 15 days @groEnlaces It is the biggest directory and searcher of Hispanic connections related with the Agriculture and Cattle raising. 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Article 29938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-monga!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul Hirst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in super Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:52:43 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9emgp7$b7m$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <9elfkc$d6s$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-99-192.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29938 There was a queen cell but the excluder was on before super was added, all the drones where at the same stage of development and no sign of any other laying, a small amount of pollen near drones all the rest of super was full of honey. "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9elfkc$d6s$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > You sure you don't have a queen up there or a laying worker? > > -- > BeeFarmer > OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Paul Hirst" wrote in message > news:9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > > I took super of today to extract and found one frame half full of drone > > larvae. Why do they take eggs through queen excluder and how do you stop > it. > > Thanks > > Paul > > > > > > Article 29939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What needs to be put on a honey jar label? Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:36:20 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3B0EB434.7228A5AB@okstate.edu> References: <3B0E6251.E7368010@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29939 Cudd wrote: > Hmm... I 'd also like to know what is required to be placed on a honey > label. However, I'd like to know what is required by statute. (Who's to say > whether vendors at my local farmer's market are doing it correctly?) > > Robert > > Ok, This is what I did. I contacted my state apiary division and requested the rules and regulations for labeling of honey for my state. Once they arrived I waded through all of the legalese and found that the requirements were exactly what the local farmers market guys were doing in the first place. I also went to my local (Albertsons & Wal-Mart) chain food stores and compared the labels there with what I had seen at the farmers market. Again they were the reasonably the same. Just trying to help you save a little leg work, but understand that you may want to do it on your own. Have a good Memorial Weekend! Gary J. Article 29940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:07:15 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> <3B0C56E4.25B9C624@tucson.ars.ag.gov> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29940 I have a hive in the back yard, been there a few days, no swarm caught yet but PLENTY of interest. Article 29941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drawing foundation Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:00:47 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <0uotgtcu4da5rqaj306gvn1drmtva88gho@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:305 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29941 I think beekeeps comments are more relevant here. The gap between your frames may well be too big so the bees are able to make natural comb in the gap. Close up the space and it will force them to draw the foundation. >"s" wrote in message >news:tgl4ic4akgbf32@xo.supernews.co.uk... >> I have just taken over a hive of bees in which half the brood chamber is >new >> foundation >> The bees seem intent on building cells in between the foundation rather >than >> drawing out the foundation >> Dose anyone have any tips on educating the bees of their error? >> Martin >> >> > Article 29942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!news-out.nibble.net!hub1.nntpserver.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Lines: 92 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:23:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 990847404 65.13.109.136 (Fri, 25 May 2001 20:23:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:23:24 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29942 > Are you beginning to appreciate the value of having a nuc on hand? That will have to be next years lesson. Thanks, Dave "George Styer" wrote in message news:iNVO6.39564$t12.3090376@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Dave, > > Given the history of this colony, I would not waste my time trying to > re-queen. In all likelihood, it had been queenless for a while and as it > weakened it was robbed. IF you have a laying worker (and that is a big if at > this point) you can re-queen it but that involves using a queen-right nuc > which I doubt you have. Rest assured that if you try to introduce a caged > queen into a colony with a laying worker, your $12.00 queen will be the > loser and will be deader than a door nail. One of natures jokes is that a > colony with a laying worker will be just as content as one with a good > quality mated queen. I'll give you 2 options, but want to stress that > because of the history and since we are talking about packages that were > only installed 6 - 7 weeks ago, I'd go with option 1. > > 1). Since you have another hive that appears healthy and I am guessing that > it is close by, my advice: Remove the weak hive to about 15 feet away, > standing tall shake all the frames and let the bees fall into the grass. Any > laying worker(s) won't make it back. The other workers will fly back to the > original site and in the absence of their hive they will enter a neighboring > hive with little resistance from the guard bees. Now go read up on > splitting! > > 2). Note: this involves some risk to and will weaken the healthy colony. > Order a mated queen. On the day she arrives, remove the weak hive to about > 15 feet away. Take a few frames of bees and brood WITH THE QUEEN from the > healthy hive and put them in an empty brood box with a bottom board and top > at the same location where you removed the weak hive (you've just made a > nuc). Now go back to the weak hive and standing tall shake all the frames > and let the bees fall into the grass. The normal workers and drones will > join the nuc and any laying workers will be lost in the grass. The following > day you can introduce the caged queen to the formerly queen-right colony. > > Are you beginning to appreciate the value of having a nuc on hand? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "Dave" wrote in message > news:v5yO6.26651$vf6.2601832@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com... > > In installed two packages a month and a half ago. After a couple of weeks > > they both looked good, plenty of eggs, etc. When I checked them today one > > is doing great, but the other has a laying worker. I have never seen this > > before and thus missed the signs. I previously posted a picture of the > hive > > with what I now know was drone brood on the landing pad and cappings all > > over. Lesson learned! The worker has been laying for a while as there is > > plenty of capped drone brood. The population now has lots of drones, but > > still about 30-40% workers. > > > > Now what? Should I let it die out and store the equipment for next year? > > Should I put the hive body on my other new hive? I have read a lot about > > it, and read the options, but wanted to get some suggestions. What would > > you do? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > > > > Article 29943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:20:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 990847217 65.13.109.136 (Fri, 25 May 2001 20:20:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:20:17 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29943 Thanks for the input. I think I will watch it for a few more days and then try your method. Put the good hive on top of the bad hive. Do you leave it where the good hive was? Thanks again, Dave "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns90AC27BD16BB7allendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > >Given the history of this colony, I would not waste my time trying to > >re-queen. In all likelihood, it had been queenless for a while and as it > >weakened it was robbed. IF you have a laying worker (and that is a big > >if at this point) you can re-queen it but that involves using a > >queen-right nuc > > > I don't know what works best where you are and if there is a flow on, or if > there is pressure from robbiing bees from neighbours' yards, but where I > live, I just combine the bad hive with a good one by stacking the brood > chamber from the good hive on top of the poor one (assuming they are > adjacent) and then I clean up all signs of the second colony so there is no > confusion. I don't use newspaper or vanilla, or much smoke, but I also > make sure that I do it when the bees are well-fed and in a good mood, not > during a dearth or robbing. > > A week or so later, when I have a queen handy, I make a split and then move > the split colony over a bit and place the new one beside it, making sure > that they look similar in size, colour and shape. The returning bees > divide between the two and if one is getting too many, that hive can be > moved back a tad or turned a little, or something can be placed in front to > divert bees. > > Actually, when introducing a new queen, it is not desirable to have too > many old (flying) bees in the hive, so if the new hive has to do with fewer > at first, the new queen has a better chance. After the new queen is > laying, you can divert more flying bees into that hive, by moving the hives > around a little when bees are foraging and watching the effects on > returning bees, again assuming good conditions and non-defensive bees. > > The advantage of the above technique is that the normal hive deals with the > laying workers, and the split will have all stages of brood and ages of bee > if you do a good job of splitting. > > allen > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 29944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker(s) - now what? From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:45:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 990852313 198.161.229.188 (Fri, 25 May 2001 22:45:13 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:45:13 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29944 "Dave" posted in : >Thanks for the input. I think I will watch it for a few more days and >then try your method. Put the good hive on top of the bad hive. Do you >leave it where the good hive was? If they are within ten feet or less of one another, then halfway between is good. The bees will usually find the hive without much difficulty. Otherwise you'll have to make sure that there is not a cluster of lost bees at the location where either hive stood and gather it up and dump it in front of the hive if there is. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 29945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: 26 May 2001 05:15:33 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <9ens7l$env$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29945 In article , Allen Dick wrote: >On 21 May 2001, you wrote in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: > >Frankly, the presentation in question was surprising to me. Firstly it was >a surprise because Erickson was scheduled to speak and DeGrandi-Hoffman >appeared before us without any warning, and secondly it was surprising >because of the message. As for the veracity of that report, I have no way >of knowing, but assume there must be at least *some* science behind it, >since it came from the ARS. You tell me. Maybe... I'm no fan of ARS research methodology from experience, but that was not in apicultural research. Question *any* research until you see the published data. Science is hopefully conducted to be reproducible--thus although researchers report something, the reality of their findings can possibly be challenged, if necessary, through experimentation. Do you think DeGrandi-Hoffman and Erickson have published this data yet? That would be interesting to read. >You also mention the Cape bee connection. I have often wondered if there >is some of that stock or some other unique genes in the African bees that >were imported to the Brazil that could explain why that particular >importation seems to have had far-reaching effects, while the other >importations of bees from Africa -- some direct to the US over the years -- >have not had such an impact. Yes. The "Cape Bee" phenotype certainly has value in the arena of natural selection. Why couldn't African bees also head down this path selectivly? Or for that matter, European bees? It's a colony that's "run" more from the worker's level of selection, rather than the queen/worker level we have now in our European colonies. (level of selection="who's running the show, the workers or queen.") >As for the eggs laid by our ordinary, familiar European worker bees, I do >not think it is a secret that a portion of those eggs result in females and >there has always been speculation about the laying of eggs by workers and >possible evolutionary explanations. Really? I'd like to know more about this: diploid eggs from unfertilized females. In non-Cape bees. Has this been published? The last I read, these laying worker eggs that where questionable were usually eaten by other workers. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "s" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drawing foundation Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:14:28 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <0uotgtcu4da5rqaj306gvn1drmtva88gho@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 31 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:306 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29946 On your i moved the frames closer together 4 days ago. I have just had a quick look to see what is happening and in two places the bees have started to draw out the foundation in the correct way. many thanks martin "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:0uotgtcu4da5rqaj306gvn1drmtva88gho@4ax.com... > I think beekeeps comments are more relevant here. The gap between your > frames may well be too big so the bees are able to make natural comb > in the gap. Close up the space and it will force them to draw the > foundation. > > >"s" wrote in message > >news:tgl4ic4akgbf32@xo.supernews.co.uk... > >> I have just taken over a hive of bees in which half the brood chamber is > >new > >> foundation > >> The bees seem intent on building cells in between the foundation rather > >than > >> drawing out the foundation > >> Dose anyone have any tips on educating the bees of their error? > >> Martin > >> > >> > > > Article 29947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:02:34 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9eo6ap$7ud$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3B09CDD3.A1298C4B@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-10-18.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 990878873 8141 209.23.10.18 (26 May 2001 12:07:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2001 12:07:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29947 Hi, > I hived 2 packages 3 weeks ago and they are drinking a quart of syrup > daily. Granted, they are slacking off a bit... reply: They should slow up for a period as the package bees die off and before the new bees emerge. Try not to plug up the brood nest with to much syrup or you could prevent queen from laying to full capacity. Make sure their is enough nectar/ syrup in frames. Bees won't draw much wax until next round of young brood emerges. > Did I do something extraordinarily bad to tick them off, or were they > just having a bad day, or should I have smoked them no matter how long > the hives will be open? reply: Well, how was the weather that day? Was there a flow on? There are many variables in beekeeping! The beekeeper must learn to read how his bees are. Many new beekeepers resist using their smoker. They are a tool of the trade. Want to get stung less use smoke and toss out the gloves. This will teach you the best times to manipulate bees and when not to. It will teach you to be quick, yet gentle and how to move among the girls. Clay Article 29948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> From: Dina and Don Hess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:33:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.116.51 X-Trace: news2.atl 990883815 209.214.116.51 (Sat, 26 May 2001 09:30:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:30:15 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29948 The general tendancy is to develop immunity / less sensitivity to stings with exposure rather than allergic hypersensitivity. However, allergic responses can pop up unexpected, more commonly in the spring since you haven't been getting stung so regularly in the winter. The generalized rash and difficulty breathing indicate a systemic reaction and possible allergy, it's a good idea to talk to your doctor or allergist. The fact that it took several stings to produce this reaction may mean that it's more of a dose response than an allergic reaction, but I'd want an allergist to tell me that. The fact that you got stung again and didn't die is a good sign. Actually, it sounds like you didn't really even have a systemic reaction to it, which is especially encouraging and may lend more weight to your previous reaction being related to the ammount of stings. The reaction you describe (basketball-face) is what I understand to be a fairly common response to stings in the face (they swell much more than elsewhere). Though if it was a yellowjacket and not one of your bees, then you still could be developing an allergy to honeybees. In terms of medicines, I've heard that people will sometimes take a benadryl in anticipation of a potential sting exposure. This apparently helps minimize any hypersensitivity response to the stings since histamine is the major culprit in the reactions. Your doctor will probably recommend getting an epi-pen even if you don't do the desensitization shots. This is a good idea not only for yourself, but because you aren't always going to be the only one around when you're working with your bees. If you get stung again and notice a systemic reaction (the hives, difficulty breathing, light headedness) and don't have an epi-pen, you should take benadryl and get to an ER - your reaction may not progress beyond your previous one, but if you're having a systemic reaction there's no telling how far it'll go. -Don Article 29949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <9ens7l$env$1@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 75 Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:38:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 990887935 198.161.229.189 (Sat, 26 May 2001 08:38:55 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:38:55 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29949 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) posted >Allen Dick wrote: >> it was a surprise because Erickson was scheduled to speak and >> DeGrandi-Hoffman appeared before us without any warning, and secondly >> it was surprising because of the message. As for the veracity of >> that report, I have no way of knowing, but assume there must be at >> least *some* science behind it, since it came from the ARS. You tell >> me. >Maybe... I'm no fan of ARS research methodology from experience, but >that was not in apicultural research. Question *any* research until you >see the published data. Science is hopefully conducted to be >reproducible--thus although researchers report something, the reality of >their findings can possibly be challenged, if necessary, through >experimentation. Do you think DeGrandi-Hoffman and Erickson have >published this data yet? That would be interesting to read. I'm afraid I must admit a weakness: I read bee literature for entertainment and pleasure, not to cite references. Moreover I don't believe much of anything I read no matter how well 'proven', since I am aware that everything flows from context. I doubt everything pretty much equally, beginning with whether I actually exist... I guess I have to say that the reason I was sitting in a dark room at the ABF waiting impatiently to see and hear Dr. Erickson speak was that there is some controversy surrounding his work. Moreover there have been (understatement) a number of reports coming out of Arizona over the past several years that seem to stand reason in its ear. I, and my friend Aaron sitting with me, were specifically hoping to be able to get some sense of what is really happening. Then we got this talk that seemed to come from outer space... I'm still wondering (but not very hard) why the esteemed Dr. E did not show. Nonetheless, I generally think that where there is smoke, there is fire and something must support the content of that talk. It seems unlikely to me that an ARS scientist would throw it all away for a joke. Considering all the mechanisms by which the A in AHB seems to maintain dominance over EHB, this did not seem entirely preposterous. Even if it were preposterous, most of the truths I have learned in my life have at first seemed preposterous, starting with where babies come from... Since then we have been waiting expectantly to hear more about this, and I suppose it merits some follow-up. I could write Gloria about it, and since people seem to care, maybe I will. Maybe I'll ask several other scientists and journalists I know and respect too, while I am at it -- if I do. The thing of it is to me -- up here in The Great White North -- the whole matter is simply a curiosity that concerns beekeeping in the US, not here at home. Yet, anyhow. I had hoped somebody more local would get involved and follow it up and report back. I really don't need the work. I was trying to retire, and maybe I have. But, if I did, I am now a hobbyist with 2,500 hives, four employees, and two new independant commercial beekeepers under my wing. Honey flow is 6 weeks away. >> As for the eggs laid by our ordinary, familiar European worker bees, I >> do not think it is a secret that a portion of those eggs result in >> females and there has always been speculation about the laying of eggs >> by workers and possible evolutionary explanations. > >Really? I'd like to know more about this: diploid eggs from unfertilized >females. In non-Cape bees. Has this been published? The last I read, >these laying worker eggs that where questionable were usually eaten by >other workers. Could be. That was not the issue as I am concerned. I am not sure where I read it, but I have seen this several times and several places and assumed it to be common knowledge. I don't think I claimed that they were known to be allowed to develop, or even be viable in the first place. At any rate, this is a provocative topic and I would be grateful to anyone, preferably a US taxpayer, who follows it up with an open mind. I should think that there must be some grain of truth to it, since it was not April 1st when I heard the talk and I am pretty sure of what I heard. allen Article 29950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix6.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix6.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: 26 May 2001 11:01:02 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9eogfe$3lb$1@panix6.panix.com> References: <9ens7l$env$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix6.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 990889262 23254 166.84.0.231 (26 May 2001 15:01:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2001 15:01:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29950 One can do a keyword search on "African" and "Honeybee" for the last several years and see what results are gleaned. No need to wait for an email from a scientist. If the results haven't been published I'd wait on the "findings". It's a pretty sure bet that published data has some validity: of course not all published data is valid or valid in your context, but data can and should be extrapolated--this is a good practice. You do it, I do it anyone with a brain does it. Allen, being a skeptic is also good practice. I bet you don't doubt your own experience though. That would put you into some serious metaphysical space. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: russian bees Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:20:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 990894050 32.100.218.12 (Sat, 26 May 2001 16:20:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:20:50 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29951 Hi anyone have any info on the russian bees. Article 29952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <9ens7l$env$1@saltmine.radix.net> <9eogfe$3lb$1@panix6.panix.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:50:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 990895853 198.161.229.184 (Sat, 26 May 2001 10:50:53 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:50:53 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29952 adamf@panix6.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) posted in <9eogfe$3lb$1@panix6.panix.com>: > One can do a keyword search on "African" and "Honeybee" for the > last several years and see what results are gleaned. On what database? Or are you suggesting searching the entire web? Are all papers now published on the web? Is any search engine better for this than another? I do usually find what I want using WebFerret, but coudn't assume that I am finding everything that exists. I'm searching under Degrandi- Hoffman right now and have quite a few hits, but not the topic in question. allen Article 29953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2001 02:02:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Jenter queen rearing system Message-ID: <20010526220242.29201.00001845@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29953 I am a hobby beekeeper with around 20 colonies. I have been given a Jenter queen rearing system and now ask all out there who have experience with the system to give me some hints on do's and don't's when using the system. thanx, Jim P. Article 29954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "johnniki" References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:32:42 -0700 Lines: 26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <#PomUYm5AHA.274@cpmsnbbsa07> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust30.tnt34.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.29.235.30 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29954 I've also read it is good to have the Benadryl in liquid form, as it absorbs much faster. I purchased some liquid at the local Costco & keep in the cupboard, just in case someone ever gets stung too badly out here & has a strong reaction. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Dina and Don Hess" wrote in message news:3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net... > The general tendancy is to develop immunity / less sensitivity to stings > with exposure rather than allergic hypersensitivity. However, allergic If you get stung again and notice a systemic > reaction (the hives, difficulty breathing, light headedness) and don't > have an epi-pen, you should take benadryl and get to an ER - your > reaction may not progress beyond your previous one, but if you're having > a systemic reaction there's no telling how far it'll go. > > -Don Article 29955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: 27 May 2001 06:39:43 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9eqlhf$md0$1@panix2.panix.com> References: <9eogfe$3lb$1@panix6.panix.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 990959984 10116 166.84.0.227 (27 May 2001 10:39:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2001 10:39:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29955 In article , Allen Dick wrote: >On what database? Or are you suggesting searching the entire web? Are all >papers now published on the web? Is any search engine better for this than >another? Unfortunately, most research papers are still not accessible through the internet. I use at a library: Ovid, Cambridge Abstracts, Biological Abstracts and CAB. (I'll look this week and see if there's anything and summarize here.) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2001 13:32:02 GMT References: <#PomUYm5AHA.274@cpmsnbbsa07> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Message-ID: <20010527093202.16736.00001407@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29956 It is also easier to get the liquid down a constricted throat when compared to the pill form. Article 29957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2001 15:03:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Burr combs problem Message-ID: <20010527110354.16710.00001493@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29957 Hi, I've check the super today and I hate the way bees keep build burr combs between the frame which make it harder to lift it out for inspect. How do I prevent it? Keep scrap it off the side of the frames? Thanks. Tim Article 29958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2001 15:18:43 GMT References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Message-ID: <20010527111843.16710.00001495@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29958 I've heard the old you get the body change alots. Also if build up immunity system to point where you can't take anymore and there come bee stings will possible give you an overdose? I don't know for sure and am not a Dr. Some people use Meat teanride ( spelling) which help drawing poison. There is one things I does know about Chem. project of how it chem. reaction. Such as what ever medication you're taken and it chem. reaction by mix in bees venom. That is something most people never though about it. Tim Article 29959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.188!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NewsGroup Archives Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:48:29 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.188 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 990985710 918246 216.167.138.188 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29959 Found the best arraigned Archives for this newsgroup yet, 20,000 threads plus. http://groups.google.com C.K. Article 29960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2001 18:50:47 GMT References: <20010527110354.16710.00001493@ng-bg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Burr combs problem Message-ID: <20010527145047.24269.00001289@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29960 Sorry, I was talk about topbar frame, Not on down inside. The burr is between topbar. Tim Article 29961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2001 18:54:06 GMT References: <3B09637C.309DA4E4@atlas.localdomain> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Message-ID: <20010527145406.24269.00001290@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29961 Yeah, Its don't look like swarm neither. Bug could have eat a hole in leaves and the leaves bleed of some kind of sweet juices? Article 29962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Morrissey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do about the swarm in my hedge?? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5rdQ6.84685$q51.583855@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:27:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.196.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com 990995265 24.67.196.45 (Sun, 27 May 2001 13:27:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:27:45 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29962 Yesterday I discovered a swarm of bes in a laurel hedge in my front yard. the hedge is 10t high and 30 ft long and it was alive with bees. My understanding is that they have left their hive, for whatever reason, and temporarily located in our hedge, and when the location for a new hive has been established, they will move on. I am not a beekeper, and have no interest in collecting the swarm, nor do I wish to harm them or my hedge. My question is should I be concerned about the situation?? Is there any possibilty they will build a hive in this hedge?? How long should I expect it will be before they move on?? After what time period should I assume they are not going to move on their own and have someone qualified come in and remove them?? Any information anyone can supply me with will be greatly appreciated. Bob Morrissey Article 29963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.panix.com!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewsGroup Archives Date: 27 May 2001 16:37:57 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9eroj5$am9$1@panix2.panix.com> References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 990995878 17915 166.84.0.227 (27 May 2001 20:37:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2001 20:37:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29963 In article , Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Found the best arraigned Archives for this newsgroup yet, 20,000 >threads plus. > >http://groups.google.com Google's archives are the same as the old Deja News archives. They go back about as far as the archives on http://www.ibiblio.org/bees, but lack some of the original posts. When the newsgroup was first created I left archiving the group up to someone else on sunsite.unc.edu for the first year--they "forgot" to run their trn "kill" which archives articles (it's what I still use today). I always meant to get the half-year or so of missing articles from Deja News, but did not. I guess I should get off my behind and write a script to automatically run the trn kill script from cron (UNIX stuff). In my not-so-humble opinion, the advantage to searching http://www.ibiblio.org/bees is that you can search both bee-l archives and sci.agriculture.beekeeping archives simultaneously. You cannot do that with google searches. Google searches sure are fast though. wow. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Hawkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5rdQ6.84685$q51.583855@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com> Subject: Re: What to do about the swarm in my hedge?? Lines: 61 Organization: L&RBKA X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:49:14 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.236.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 991003807 62.255.236.248 (Sun, 27 May 2001 23:50:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:50:07 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29964 As I said in a previous posting, I am relatively new to beekeeping so a lot of what I say I am just passing on from my training, rather than speaking from experience - though I have collected one swarm last year.... "Bob Morrissey" wrote in message news:5rdQ6.84685$q51.583855@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com... > Yesterday I discovered a swarm of bes in a laurel hedge in my front yard. > the hedge is 10t high and 30 ft long and it was alive with bees. > My understanding is that they have left their hive, for whatever reason, Usually because conditions are too cramped in their original hive. and > temporarily located in our hedge, and when the location for a new hive has > been established, they will move on. This is also my understanding > I am not a beekeper, and have no interest in collecting the swarm, nor do I > wish to harm them or my hedge. > My question is should I be concerned about the situation?? Not at all - it is purely natural. They tend to be very placid when swarming UNLESS the queen is a virgin (quite rare) when they will be unapproachable! > Is there any possibilty they will build a hive in this hedge?? Unlikely but not impossible > How long should I expect it will be before they move on?? Ususally within a day or two - they have probably moved on by the time you read this.... > After what time period should I assume they are not going to move on their > own and have someone qualified come in and remove them?? I wouldn't delay any longer. Certainly in the UK, bees living naturally without the likes of a beekeeper to administer treatment against the Varoah mite, are doomed. > > Any information anyone can supply me with will be greatly appreciated. A couple of tips: Bees in UK (and presumably the rest of the northern hemisphere) tend to swarm eastwards. Look to the west and find the nearest beekeeper to yourself - they were probably his bees! Again in the UK, because the bees are on your land they are, by law, your property. If you ask a local beekeeper to collect the swarm rather than the authorities, they will usually waiver any charge (or at least reduce it) should you allow them to keep your bees. > > Bob Morrissey > > Hope this helps Peter Article 29965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:56:52 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <9ens7l$env$1@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb8jEtqs4BgBtCeBgHdQb3mA+edmHoB5gnSRqJfY0cgDF2728EDfuki X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2001 01:58:19 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29965 Somewhat of an old issue. Published paper by G. DeGrandi-Hoffman, E. H. Erickson Jr., D. Lusby, and E. Lusby in Bee Science, May, 1991 titled: Thelytoky in a strain of U.S. honey bees (Apis mellifera L.) Article posted at: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm Perhaps DeGrandi-Hoffman didn't really have anything new to show that has been done since this paper. After all, it was the Lusby's that showed/guided the lab personal through this study in the first place. -Barry > Could be. That was not the issue as I am concerned. I am not sure where I > read it, but I have seen this several times and several places and assumed > it to be common knowledge. I don't think I claimed that they were known to > be allowed to develop, or even be viable in the first place. > > At any rate, this is a provocative topic and I would be grateful to anyone, > preferably a US taxpayer, who follows it up with an open mind. I should > think that there must be some grain of truth to it, since it was not April > 1st when I heard the talk and I am pretty sure of what I heard. > > allen Article 29966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:48:00 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9eslkf$foc$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> <3B0C56E4.25B9C624@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.cc.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 May 2001 04:53:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29966 I had success this year with swarm lures in those fiber pots, but never again in boxes without frames. Article 29967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news.tele.dk!TDC-Europe.POSTED!ip108.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cells Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:45:19 +0200 Organization: Posted through some European Outpost of TDC Internet A/S Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9et653$fri$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip108.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 991042531 16242 195.215.97.108 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29967 Please don't panic, keep calm. What I can read from your msg is that you have supercedure queen cells, and those are often seen in package bees manly because of that the queen supplied might not be of best quality. if you only see a few queen cells placed in the middle of the comb 1 to 4 or five you can be very sure of supercedure cells. Swarm cells you will find a lot of but they will be placed on top of the frames or at button on frames and the most you will normally find between the bottom box and the second box if you have a dubbel brood chamber. my advise to you will be : leave the bees alone from now on and for the next 14 days. don't open the hive and keep your hands in the pocket :-) let the bees do their work, they do it best and you will have a new mated and egg laying queen in your hive. Why you should leave the bees alone is because the queen cells are sensitive to disturbances. the queen pupa is hanging in a very thin silk thread from the top of the cell, and if you pull out frames and are unlucky this thread can break and the queen pupa will die. Let the bees select between the new queen, again the bees know best Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JD Braathen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cells Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-Trace: +rTuhsWrdQ2G/lwF5TtbET0WUBN67cUV8sg5fwFmTgAuAM8WxQERLkSArR24NQGrqrnZiQrfzQ1h!pohonvn/Zw81NZbhjDG0iC9vbEnwZ5LKF39ssPbHQeVhdilXbqSmXojoO7PpmQzN74BzGdfWzPI8!mr4l+HW7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 05:19:18 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 05:19:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29968 I'm new to beekeeping and need some advice. On 5/17/01 I installed a new 4lb package of bees in a new hive (single deep with 10 frames of CellRite foundation). These bees were purchased from a local bee keeping supply store. I was told when I ordered them that they were Italians shipped from California. The hive is setup with a one gallon internal feeder, which sits above the inner cover and is enclosed by a empty hive body with a telescoping lid. I checked the hive on Sunday night 5/20/01, the bees had started drawing the comb, but I did not see any eggs. I did see the queen walking in the middle of foundation, she is marked. This evening I check the hive again, I saw some comb fully drawn out near the corners of the foundation in the middle of the hive. I did not see any "capped" cells, but I saw 3 queen cells in the middle of a frame. The cells all appeared to be about the same age. Non were fully enclosed, they all had a hole at the end. I'm unsure how may eggs were present, I only looked at 3 frames. The two middle frames had eggs, more on the edges than in the middle. Pulled an outside frame and the two middle ones. Since this is my first (and only) hive I do not have a good benchmark on what things should look like. I am concerned about the queen cells. I don't want to loose my bees in a swarm, and I'm unsure how to tell if the hive is trying to replace a unproductive queen. Any advice on how I should proceed would be appreciated. Other information: - I have not used smoke on this hive - I live in the pacific Northwest, we have had good weather since the package was installed (daytime temp 60 - 72 over last 10 days) - Sugar water mix is 1 to 1, (5 pints water, five lbs sugar) 1 gallon - Bees are going through about 5 lbs sugar a week - Entrance reducer is installed - The hive is painted green, the local bee supply store recommended green because it would keep the hive warmer. - As far as I can tell there is plenty of room in the single deep hive body - Hive is located in on gentle north facing slope in full sun all day Article 29969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:36:38 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3AF96759.95E21809@bsu.edu> <3AF99B2B.E33E039D@midwest.net> <3AF9F46F.7569E62E@midwest.net> <3B0C56E4.25B9C624@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9eslkf$foc$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaCsvSQPaytBQnNVVQ2sTb0foPnphPqWU1apRGJeIjche49k6zTgGeB X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2001 13:38:04 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29969 > From: "Oliver Frank" > Organization: MindSpring Enterprises > Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:48:00 -0700 > Subject: Re: Swarm Lures--New Question > > I had success this year with swarm lures in those fiber pots, but > never again in boxes without frames. Once you make yourself some swarm catching frames you'll rethink your above statement. They work real fine and have the added advantage of utilizing the bees own comb size to start with. More on cutting swarms at night, pics 27 - 35: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/trip/index.htm Regards, Barry Article 29970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: john.allen@virgin.net (John Allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Bee Identification help Date: 28 May 2001 06:53:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <22ada5f5.0105280553.3f0ead70@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.156.63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991058001 964 127.0.0.1 (28 May 2001 13:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2001 13:53:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29970 Please could you help with identifying the species of bee that has occupied my house. Location Deepcar (near Sheffield) UK. First appeared early May 2001. I am unsure whether they are Mason or Honey bees? There are honey bee hives about 200m away from my house, but I cannot find any information on who owns them. Any help would be appreciated. http://john.d.allen.btinternet.co.uk/bees/bees.htm Article 29971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JD Braathen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cells in new Hive Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-Trace: +4MVL9X0h89WVrv/lfddvxNqkvMFFNyv1LYMQN9NXWF6vFlSd6D2RcGoneGpf5WfLc6XfnKl0V5K!LgwjRx8isQvrDvdHMyMuFD+tF9piMI47JvzSKdtWYYA+0qKtVxtjgI8ralXDuWBSvbNLu0FttHTY!jBOnnA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:54:09 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:54:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29971 I'm new to beekeeping and need some advice. On 5/17/01 I installed a new 4lb package of bees in a new hive (single deep with 10 frames of CellRite foundation). These bees were purchased from a local bee keeping supply store. I was told when I ordered them that they were Italians shipped from California. The hive is setup with a one gallon internal feeder, which sits above the inner cover and is enclosed by a empty hive body with a telescoping lid. I checked the hive on Sunday night 5/20/01, the bees had started drawing the comb, but I did not see any eggs. I did see the queen walking in the middle of foundation, she is marked. This evening I check the hive again, I saw some comb fully drawn out near the corners of the foundation in the middle of the hive. I did not see any "capped" cells, but I saw 3 queen cells in the middle of a frame. The cells all appeared to be about the same age. Non were fully enclosed, they all had a hole at the end. I'm unsure how may eggs were present, I only looked at 3 frames. The two middle frames had eggs, more on the edges than in the middle. Pulled an outside frame and the two middle ones. Since this is my first (and only) hive I do not have a good benchmark on what things should look like. I am concerned about the queen cells. I don't want to loose my bees in a swarm, and I'm unsure how to tell if the hive is trying to replace a unproductive queen. Any advice on how I should proceed would be appreciated. Other information: - I have not used smoke on this hive - I live in the pacific Northwest, we have had good weather since the package was installed (daytime temp 60 - 72 over last 10 days) - Sugar water mix is 1 to 1, (5 pints water, five lbs sugar) 1 gallon - Bees are going through about 5 lbs sugar a week - Entrance reducer is installed - The hive is painted green, the local bee supply store recommended green because it would keep the hive warmer. - As far as I can tell there is plenty of room in the single deep hive body - Hive is located in on gentle north facing slope in full sun all day Article 29972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B09637C.309DA4E4@atlas.localdomain> <20010527145406.24269.00001290@ng-cq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Super small swarm?? - see picture Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:59:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 991065581 65.13.109.136 (Mon, 28 May 2001 08:59:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:59:41 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29972 They are still there, a couple of weeks later. I searched for queen but didn't find one. I even, accidentally broke off the leaf. They then congregated on a nearby limb of the tree. Strange, Dave "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010527145406.24269.00001290@ng-cq1.aol.com... > Yeah, Its don't look like swarm neither. Bug could have eat a hole in leaves > and the leaves bleed of some kind of sweet juices? Article 29973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 May 2001 17:22:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Queen Cells in new Hive Message-ID: <20010528132219.16655.00001580@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29973 The queen cells are supecedeure cells. It happens a lot with package bees. The bees are hedgeing their bet or for some reason are not happy with that queen. The downside to allowing your bees to supercede is you will likely get a pooly mated queen or a runt. There was a time when bees were more commonplace and their were enough drones to fertillize a queen. Were it my hive I would be sure I had a good patch of eggs and some larvae and the queen looked sound. (all her legs antennae etc.) And If so would pinch the supercedeure cells and allow the purchased queen to continue laying. One gallon of syrup can sour in a week I would be inclined to use it in half gallon quantities and never let it get empty/ (if your feeder will allow this without leaking all over the hive) Swarming is not a concern at this point. The quality of the queen is the main sticking point. It's asking a lot for a beginner to recognize this. Article 29974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.147!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about the swarm in my hedge?? Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:49:15 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7q35htoocdmcn6rmq2s45ifc4fa54rocdj@4ax.com> References: <5rdQ6.84685$q51.583855@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 991072159 1242478 216.167.138.147 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29974 >My question is should I be concerned about the situation?? >Is there any possibilty they will build a hive in this hedge?? >How long should I expect it will be before they move on?? Probably not Maybe, but unlikely By the time you read this they will probably already have cleared out. C.K. Article 29975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: john.allen@virgin.net (John Allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Bee Identification help Date: 28 May 2001 11:37:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <22ada5f5.0105281037.42791105@posting.google.com> References: <22ada5f5.0105280553.3f0ead70@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.109.168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991075080 8897 127.0.0.1 (28 May 2001 18:38:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2001 18:38:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29975 john.allen@virgin.net (John Allen) wrote in message news:<22ada5f5.0105280553.3f0ead70@posting.google.com>... > Please could you help with identifying the species of bee that has > occupied my house. Location Deepcar (near Sheffield) UK. First > appeared early May 2001. I am unsure whether they are Mason or Honey > bees? There are honey bee hives about 200m away from my house, but I > cannot find any information on who owns them. Any help would be > appreciated. > > http://john.d.allen.btinternet.co.uk/bees/bees.htm Sorry, url should read http://www.john.d.allen.btinternet.co.uk/bees/bees.htm Article 29976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.243!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observed Laying Worker (was Re: I can't stand it anymore!) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:23:20 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4985htcfe819mffh1eagsu015u7upko4u6@4ax.com> References: <9ens7l$env$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.243 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 991077804 1330772 216.167.138.243 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29976 >Barry Birkey posted the link: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm regarding laying workers and fertilized eggs. It was an interesting article and thanks for the beesource.com link lots of good reading there. >Perhaps DeGrandi-Hoffman didn't really have anything new to show that has >been done since this paper. Yes, that would seem to be the case. The Lusby's hard work and relentless belief in their theories are commendable and in the spirit of hard working reporters and in their case, as 'scientist' without portfolio, and in the best traditions of Darwin and all those that seek after knowledge because in the end knowledge gives one a choice, and having a choice is synonymous with freedom. C.K. Article 29977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.154!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: So the truth IS out there Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:58:24 -0500 Lines: 136 Message-ID: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 991079909 1408154 216.167.138.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29977 In January 1996 Dr. John Thomas an extension entomologist at Texas A&M told me that Steve Tabor had imported 'african' bees to ARS Baton Rouge (Louisiana) in the early 1960's. It was one of those interesting 'off the record' stories one hear's when beekeepers and entomologist together. Then I read this: Killer Bees Live Calmly in U.S. August, 1991 - By Thomas Ropp - The Arizona Republic Insects came 30 years ago, scientists say The killer bees are on a roll. They've invaded Texas and are poised to take over the Western Hemisphere. At least that's what killer-bee alarmists would like us to believe. The truth is that killer, or Africanized, bees have been living quietly in the United States for at least 30 years. They are descendants of the same group that's been flying north from South America, but these killer bees arrived a tad sooner, compliments of the mail and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. "It's common knowledge among larger commercial beekeepers," said Dee Lusby, president of the Arizona Beekeepers Association. "The USDA bee lab in Baton Rouge (La.) received Africanized bee semen from Brazil 30 years ago and made the offspring available to beekeepers in this country and around the world." Africanized bees were mixing with common bees in the United States as early as the mid-1800s, according to a 1973 article in Bee World, citing bee breeders who brought them over from Africa to mix with domestic hives. Africanized bees are similar in appearance to regular honeybees but are thought to be superior honey producers because of their aggressiveness. Heightened attack response From the beginning, alarmists and beekeepers have been at odds over the issue of aggressiveness, but they have agreed that the venom of a killer bee is no more poisonous than that of the common European honeybee. Any increased risk from stinging comes from the Africanized bees' heightened attack response, which results in more stings than with most other types of bees. The Africanized bees sighted last October (sic) in southern Texas are reportedly descendants of bees that escaped in 1956 from the Brazilian laboratory of Warwick Estevan Kerr. They got their "killer" moniker from the reported deaths of people livestock and domestic animals attributed to attacks by them in South America, Central America and Mexico. Government documents released to The Arizona Republic BY the Arizona Beekeepers Association confirm that Africanized bee semen was shipped from 1959 to 1961 by Kerr in Brazil to Stephen Tabor of the USDA bee lab in Baton Rouge. "It was part of an ongoing program to breed superior honey-producing bees, just like Dr. Kerr's experiments in South America," Lusby said. Killer bees in Wisconsin Beekeeper Dave Miksa keeps more than 2,000 hives, moving them between Wisconsin and Florida with the season. But in the early 1960s, he was a 20-year-old research assistant at the USDA labs in Madison, Wis. Africanized queens as well as semen were sent to Madison from the Baton Rouge labs for pollination study, he said. "When word got out among beekeepers, the Africanized stock was doled out freely," Miksa said. Miksa has no doubt that some of the Africanized bees escaped the commercial hives. "At the very least there must be pockets of Africanized bees around the country," he said. Miksa and Lusby believe that the cooler northern climate and good bee management is the reason Africanized bees have not been the problem in this country that they have been in South America. "Our industry has bred through it," Lusby said. In 1985, Richard Nunamaker, a research entomologist stationed at the USDA Agricultural Research Service Labroatory in Laramie, Wyo., developed a method for identifying Africanized bees based on gene analysis. "At that time, we found low levels of Africanization in the United States, especially the southern United States," Nunamaker said. Breeding out aggressiveness Lusby said aggressive bees such as the Africans become more docile as they breed with local varieties. The first crosses produce nasty-tempered offspring, but each subsequent generation mellows. The Africanized bees that escaped 35 years ago from Brazil have been defused through generations of cross-breeding and pose no particular threat, Lusby said. "I'd agree with that," Nunamaker said. Nunamaker has charged some scientists with using fears and publicity about killer bees to obtain research money. "Back in '85, $2 million of the $6 million allotted to bee research in the U.S. was spent on Africanized bees," Nunamake said. "I would imagine now it's even more." Lusby suspects that the USDA's low profile on Africanized-bee research also was tied to appropriations. Lusby and her organization are trying to stop the USDA from creating what she calls "doomsday weapons," such as poison baits, to eradicate feral colonies of Africanized honeybees. Lusby said the poison bait is taken back to the hives and contaminates the wax, bee bread, honey and all other bees. Could ruin the industry "You can imagine what would happen if this bait was ever used," she said. "Because it's non-select, any honeybee could get into it. This poison would ruin our industry and have dire consequences to agriculture in general." County Extension urban-garden specialists have been speculating for many years that pesticides are responsible for the decrease in urban bees, resulting in poor fruit set on melons, squash and other vine vegetables grown in backyard situations. The Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson is one of the USDA facilities participating in the poison-bait research. Director Eric Erickson said application is a long way off. "It's just an experimental effort to see if an approach like this would be feasible under limited kinds of circumstances," Erickson said. He also understands the beekeepers' concerns. "It's true there's no way of discriminating between desirable bees and undesirable ones," Erickson said. "So if it ever became a procedure that was allowed to be used, it would have very tight restrictions. © 1999-2001 BeeSource.Com / info@beesource.com Please remember that this article is a 'reprint' from a newspaper article from 1991. Apparently the evil poison bait plan was quietly dropped when reason prevailed or grant money dried up. C.K. Article 29978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Rob Graham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I can't stand it anymore! Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:39:55 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29978 Does it matter - if the bees are happy they will stay; if the keeper is enjoying it then he will stay. How many of us go to 'bring up baby' classes ? A big Zero and yet we in general succeed as parents. Just be cool, man, and don't take it so seriously - its a hobby, not a job. Rob Article 29979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Rob Graham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do about the swarm in my hedge?? Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:28:50 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <5rdQ6.84685$q51.583855@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29979 Well I've never heard that one before - I'm not questionning it though I must admit that it doesn't fit in particularly with 40 years of experience. What's the reasoning behind it? No doubt I'll find that every swarm I now have will go east !! :>) Rob Article 29980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 May 2001 01:57:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Article on Honey as Medicine Message-ID: <20010528215721.21770.00001598@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29980 On Public radio in the states , on a program called the World from public radio international and the BBC, was a story on medicinal honey from/in Australia. They mentioned manuka and a few of honey's general properties for wound healing. All in all a good program and one that will likely give the manuka folks a boost. I get the station on www.wnyc.org via the web (the AM program) Article 29981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cells in new Hive Date: 28 May 2001 19:48:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <993fd181.0105281848.61ad6a7b@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991104522 22633 127.0.0.1 (29 May 2001 02:48:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 02:48:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29981 "JD Braathen" wrote in message news:... > I'm new to beekeeping and need some advice. I would flatten the cells and give the queen a chance to make good.Some queens start out laying perfect patterns but others lay haphazardly at first and later go on to become pretty good layers.As BeeCrofter pointed out it is common for a package to start supersedure cells.This usually happens about 3 weeks after starting the hive.At that point it is always nice to add a frame or 2 of sealed brood from another hive,but its not essential.The point is if you let the bees replace her you are going to have a pretty weak hive for quite awhile.A package hived on foundation is off to a shaky start anyway and cant afford the setback.If the queen is really defective(drone layer or just weak)a reputable breeder will replace her. Article 29982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!shell-3.enteract.com!meadmakr From: Chuck Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: condensation on inner cover Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:06:37 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbgTvBcQR28YlK7e7QPwe7/ijVrb0Xu8ZGKE4Age0BDoJkt6o8VXRg4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 13:06:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29982 While checking my two hives last weekend I noticed dripping condensation in an oval on the telescoping cover directly above the hole in the inner cover. The weather the past week had been cold and rainy, temperature about 50-55F (10-13C). The day I checked was sunny and a little warmer, maybe 65/70 (18/21). The hives sit one the edge of a soybean field facing east with a treeline behind them for afternoon shade. Is this OK? I read horror stories of mold and too much condensation in over-wintering hives. Should I put some 1/2" blocks under the front edge of the cover to provide some ventilation? TIA, Chuck Wettergreen Geneva, IL Article 29983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!shell-1.enteract.com!meadmakr From: Chuck Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chimney effect Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:26:36 -0500 Lines: 37 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa5CChK7YGW+CgXLxnIHJDOccEOWrMUkM7HxGpFnoLBOLj/Hadh2Ny2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 13:26:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29983 I have two new hives with package bees on wired foundation. The queens have been marvelous, filling the six inner combs with lots of brood in both hive boxes. and therein lies the problem. Apparently I put the second hive body on too soon, and the queen moved up into it and started laying before directing that the outer frames should be drawn out. So now the lower hive body has four outer frames of foundation that everyone is basically ignoring. The upper brood box is about the same. I am still feeding sugar syrup and they are taking about a gallon and a half a week. Incoming bees are overloaded with pollen. I figure it'll be about a week until I have a massive hatch of brood. Can I count on the increased population to fill out those extra combs soon? What do I do if the nectar flow starts and those combs aren't filled out? Would I put supers on before those frames are drawn? I'm concerned that the hives aren't going to have enough honey insulation/food for the winter. Chuck Wettergreen Geneva, IL Article 29984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Raoul Duke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New bees, Old hives Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <_VNQ6.1990$XF3.103665@news1.atl> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:59:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.78.1 X-Trace: news1.atl 991144698 209.214.78.1 (Tue, 29 May 2001 09:58:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:58:18 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29984 We bought a vineyard last summer that had 4 hives and enough stuff left over to make at least 2 more hives, well about two weeks ago honey bees moved into one of them on their own. I have taken the top off a few times and looked inside (what a rush) they are making cone and cleaning up all the trash that was inside, the hive that they choose was empty for at least two years. Question: Should I try to "keep" these bees or just let them be. (pun intended) If I do keep them should I move them into a new hive or just clean up some of the old stuff and use it? What about using gloves, veils, and suites. Should I use them? Should I be feeding them? Thanks David Article 29985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 May 2001 14:45:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: chimney effect Message-ID: <20010529104518.16618.00001554@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29985 Move drawn combs to the bottom box to fill it. Keep feeding. Bees draw in the center first because that is where the warmth is. Article 29986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: So the truth IS out there From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 90 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:44:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 991125857 198.161.229.178 (Tue, 29 May 2001 02:44:17 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 02:44:17 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29986 Charlie Kroeger posted > In January 1996 Dr. John Thomas an extension entomologist at Texas A&M > told me that Steve Tabor had imported 'african' bees to ARS Baton > Rouge (Louisiana) in the early 1960's. It was one of those > interesting 'off the record' stories one hear's when beekeepers and > entomologist together. ...and Barry posted a pointer to some research on his site. Thanks to both for taking the time to shed some more light on this topic and for re-opening another. We have covered African stock importations to North America a time or two here in the past, and each time a bit more information comes to light and the perspective changes. The one thing that once again impresses me about the sort of discussions of bee behaviour that initiated this exchange is that, when we think about it, we can clearly see that generalizations about bee behaviour can be misleading and divisive if we do not consider that we may not be not examining bees that are closely genetically related or under similar conditions. If we are not, we can be seeing vastly different behaviour and assume the other observer is either lax or a poor observer, when that is not necessarily the case. It is interesting to note that in the work that Barry cited (http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm), different strains of bees behaved very differently on the occasion of the study. I do not know if the study was ever replicated. In science things must be able to be repeated or an good explanation of why not is necessary. Science is not good at dealing with once only phenomena and miracles. That is not to say that such things do not exist, since I am certain that we have all experienced -- at least once in our lives -- something that was inexplicable, and irreproducable. Let me make it clear that I am not attacking the above report -- and am relieved that it supported a statement I recently made here -- BUT, in reading the study, I was struck by the rather anecdotal nature of the writing, its somewhat vague, unspecific, and sometimes evasive language -- and the myriad of obvious questions it raises which apparently have not been answered publicly in the decade or so since publication. Charlie pointed out some of them in his original questioning of my report of G. D-H's session at the ABF. One point really makes *me* wonder is exactly what happened to most of the virgins and why anyone was trying to artificially inseminate them and how they got critically injured -- if this was indeed a serious study and not some rambling effort. Is this not a pretty obvious and critical piece of info to leave out? I quote: "A queen produced from laying worker eggs successfully mated and produced worker and drone brood. However, eight of the nine queens produced from workers' brood either did not return to the hive after a mating flight, or were critically injured during artificial insemination". "...either did not return to the hive after a mating flight, or were critically injured..."??? Which? ...and why do they not say? Don't they know? Why not? What else are they guessing? Anyhow, this whole area of study and behaviour is fascinating and very significant and, if it has been followed up by others, I have not heard much about it. It seems very important to me. I realise that Lusbys have done a lot of work and I have been exposed to some of it. Barry must take credit fo making much of it available on the web in a readable form, since the original format in which it was circulated when I first encountered it was somewhat impenetratable, and my attempts to ask reasonable questions of Dee were not well received. I find much of what I have read from Arizona to be self-contadictory, opinionated, and incomplete. In spite of that, I think that it is very brave and useful -- when considered in the light of other objective information. Since (apparently) the truth IS out there, here's a question: I am quite sure that I have been told directly and emphatically several times that the Lusbys bees are not 'Africanised' yet it seems apparent to me that they *must* be and it also appears to me that they are very different from the bees I have here in Canada and the bees my European and Australian friends are using. Am I wrong? It also seems to me that there is a gigantic confusion surrounding the whole topic of AHB and bees in Arizona. It is also becoming apparent to me that there is be political pressure and deliberate suppression of information surrounding the work of the lab there and that ther is likely a large political factor in the closing of that facility -- and the way it is being carried out. Maybe the truth IS out there, but it seems to me a lot of people do not like it. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 29987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hircock@yahoo.com (David) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm control and synchronous relocation Date: 29 May 2001 08:25:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 47 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991149934 11791 127.0.0.1 (29 May 2001 15:25:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 15:25:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29987 It shouldn't happen to a beginner! You will see from point 7 that I have a big problem. I am a newbie beekeeper. I have my hive in my parent's garden. I know I should have at least two - just give me time. Here's the story: 1. I re-queened (using a nuke) because my bees were very bad tempered and I did not know the age or origins of the queen I had. 2. The new queen is laying and the brood seems to be developing and honey is being stored. I have two British National brood boxes and two supers above a qx. 3. Queen cells started to be formed soon after uniting the nuke with the de-queened brood box. 4. As a beginner, I destroyed all of the q-cells, some of which contained an egg. 5. My latest inspection revealed many q-cells, mainly along the bottom of the frames in the top box, but also some in the bottom box and a few partway up the face of the combs. Several of them had royal jelly in them. 6. I destroyed all that I could find, knowing that swarm control measures would be needed but . and here comes the really bad news: 7. Two days previously, my father, in whose garden the hive is situated, had been rushed to Accident and Emergency with a near fatal anaphylactic shock reaction to some sort of bite or sting on the back of his head. The probability is that it was one of my bees! He had been stung many times before with very little reaction. On this occasion he was not close to the hive, which had not been touched for at least 3 days. I must remove the hive. 8. This is why I did not instigate artificial swarm measures: I am not sure if they would work in conjunction with moving the hive to a fresh location. Please advise on relocating a hive and performing swarm control at the same time. Does the artificial swarm depend on the hive being in one location for a while? Would anyone talk me thru the procedure of swam control and relocating synchronously? I have books describing artificial swarm etc. but I have never done it. I should be interested in comments on any part of my story, but especially point 8. You will appreciate that the situation is quite urgent. David. Article 29988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!shell-2.enteract.com!meadmakr From: Chuck Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chimney effect Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:26:02 -0500 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <20010529104518.16618.00001554@ng-bg1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbzSVKP7kU0ag1yX9tgget6kE31ZePfETRdsnAl8bgqVPvY+HgSzq69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2001 15:26:05 GMT To: BeeCrofter In-Reply-To: <20010529104518.16618.00001554@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29988 On 29 May 2001, BeeCrofter wrote: > Move drawn combs to the bottom box to fill it. Keep feeding. Bees draw in the > center first because that is where the warmth is. Move drawn combs of what, brood? Most of the upper hive body combs are primarily brood. I thought you weren't supposed to separate brood. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. It's my understanding that the hive (the brood boxes) should have frames of honey on the outside combs. It's my understanding that those honey-filled combs provide insulation (mass) and food for the winter. So I have ten drawn combs in both brood boxes. The center six of those combs (on both boxes) are primarily capped brood, and maybe some uncapped eggs/larvae on the outside. That still leaves two frames of foundation on each side of those center frames in each box that haven't been drawn out. When will they be drawn out? Before I need add honey supers? Chuck Wettergreen Geneva,IL Article 29989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 May 2001 16:41:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: chimney effect Message-ID: <20010529124158.01380.00001451@ng-ms1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29989 The old saw was to move foundation up to but not into the brood nest. Where I am (CT) it would be warm enough to move as much brood as possible into the bottom box. And fully drawn but not full of brood combs to the outside of the top box. This leaves the 4 undrawn combs in the center of the upper brood box. Later in the season the bees will move things around where they want them. I would also add my super or supers of foundation now to be drawn out. The bees will make only as much comb as they need to store syrup or nectar. If you plan on harvesting some honey then you stop feeding once they begin to draw out your combs in the supers and keep moving the drawn ones away from the center. Article 29990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B13E83B.611E83F@home.com> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thank you all References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:20:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.16.162.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rsm1.occa.home.com 991160421 24.16.162.7 (Tue, 29 May 2001 11:20:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:20:21 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29990 thanks to all of the friends who responded to my questions. I truly appreciate it. you've been vary helpful. I guess this might be the right time to seriously thing about seeing an allergist. for now I will stock up on benadryl. thanks mike maverick wrote: > hello all: > > I have a question about bee stings, and body reaction. first i would > like to give brief info. I'm a hobbits, been hiveing for past four > years. been stung many times. last week , on friday to be precise I was > checking on one hive that all of a sudden was extremely aggressive when > opened. I was properly dressed, from head to toe. any way they managed > to sting me in both ankles, and several on my right hand. at first I > kept on checking the hive when all of a sudden I had a strange sensation > all over my body. an unbelievable itching sensation took over. I quit my > inspection and took a warm shower. within an hour my whole body was > covered with a nasty rash. I kid you not. it was awful. anyway I was > working on by pc when I noticed I was having difficulty breathing. ended > up going to emergency room and getting benadryl shot. I was fine in two > hours. > yesterday, I was working in the yard about 100 feet away from hives, > when a bee landed on my sweaty face. as a reaction I was trying to fan > it off when boom it stung me in my left cheek. in a few hours my face > turned into a basketball and my eyes shut. I was put on benadryl and > prednisone to reduce inflammation. > > my questions are has any of you has been through this? what did you do? > are there any home remedies or over the counter medication that you > take? > I thought once you get stung you start building immunity? > if you have aggressive have can you replace queen? I know they have been > making a hell lots of honey in the past few weeks ( do you think they've > become Africanised)? > > thank you all and have a great safe holiday > Mike -- Article 29991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: condensation on inner cover Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:10:12 -0700 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-62.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b14473a@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 29 May 2001 18:04:58 -0700, tc1-62.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-62.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29991 Lots of rain here in western WA, so I sometimes put a couple of nails between the hive bodies to give a little space to let the moisture out (i.e. use the thickness of the nail as a spacer). I've had much less mold than I did my first winter. If it were me, I'd prop my lid a little. Chuck wrote in message ... >While checking my two hives last weekend I noticed >dripping condensation in an oval on the telescoping >cover directly above the hole in the inner cover. > > >Is this OK? Should I >put some 1/2" blocks under the front edge of the >cover to provide some ventilation? >Chuck Wettergreen >Geneva, IL > > Article 29992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Peter Hawkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Foundation Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:53:34 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9f2935$dc6$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-133-159.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29992 Greetings from Scotland. Some of the brood combs in an old hive I have been given are very black and damaged. I posted a query a couple of weeks ago and got a number of helpfull replies suggesting that I should replace the comb with new foundation on a regular basis. My question: do I put the new foundation at the ends or in the middle of the existing brood box? Thanks Peter Article 29993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news1.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Typical Italy s.r.l" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PRODOTTI TIPICI TOSCANI Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:40:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.45.100.172 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tin.it X-Trace: news1.tin.it 991240847 213.45.100.172 (Wed, 30 May 2001 18:40:47 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:40:47 MET DST Organization: TIN Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29993 Typical Italy s.r.l presenta una selezione raffinata di ciò che offre la cultura TOSCANA di oggi; con i suoi prodotti tipici selezionati da esperti garantisce ai suoi clienti l'alta qualità dei prodotti e l'affidabilità nelle consegne. Tali prodotti da noi scelti sono il risultato di "aziende selezionate"che curano il prodotto tuttora con amore e dedizione con gli stessi metodi di una volta. Tra i nostri prodotti potrai trovare: · Olio extra vergine di oliva dei colli lucchesi · Vino bianco e rosso tra i più ricercati · Oli aromatizzati con i migliori aceti balsamici · I sottoli gustosi · Le salse speciali · I sughi della nonna · Le specialità al tartufo · La pasta artigianale · Le farine macinate a pietra ed il farro della garfagnana · Dai funghi porcini toscani ai delicati legumi · Biscotti tipici alla farina di castagne e di farro con i suoi altri prodotti di alta pasticceria · Le confetture naturali del sottobosco raccolte e confezionate con i metodi tradizionali · Il miele:una vasta gamma di scelta dal metodo classico al più ricercato Un ampia scelta di tisane al miele con i suoi derivati PER INFORMAZIONI: info@typicalitaly.it Article 29994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: john.allen@virgin.net (John Allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Bee Identification help Date: 30 May 2001 13:25:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <22ada5f5.0105301225.b70b74f@posting.google.com> References: <22ada5f5.0105280553.3f0ead70@posting.google.com> <22ada5f5.0105281037.42791105@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.148.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991254310 31187 127.0.0.1 (30 May 2001 20:25:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 2001 20:25:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29994 Many thanks to Adam Hart (Sheffield University) http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/taplab/ahart.html for identifying the specimen as osmia rufa (Red Mason Bee), and to James Cane (Utah State University) http://www.loganbeelab.usu.edu/ for his helpful advice from the other side of the pond. It's been an education! John Allen Article 29995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Planting nectar/pollen sources Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:09:40 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: <9f3r0m$fie$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.41.23 X-Server-Date: 30 May 2001 22:08:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29995 I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all summer? Article 29996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting nectar/pollen sources Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:12:17 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3B158C61.A01E6966@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9f3r0m$fie$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29996 ts83@mindspring.com wrote: > I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting > nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all > summer? Too bad kudzu isn't an important honey plant - or is it ?? Article 29997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 May 2001 02:14:53 GMT References: <9f3r0m$fie$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Planting nectar/pollen sources Message-ID: <20010530221453.12345.00002312@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29997 >I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting >nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all >summer? I live in West Central Ga. (North of Douglasville) I would suggest Clover and the various mints/thymes if you have the space. TIM MORRIS Article 29998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp260.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:52:22 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.16 X-Server-Date: 31 May 2001 02:52:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29998 In article <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net>, Dina and Don Hess wrote: > if you're having > a systemic reaction there's no telling how far it'll go. > How long would it take for this kind of reaction to kill you? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp260.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:55:56 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20010524223132.04073.00000942@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.16 X-Server-Date: 31 May 2001 02:56:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29999 Humble advice from a third year beekeeper: Read: "First Lessons in Beekeeping" "Beekeeping: A Practical Guide" "The Hive and the Honey Bee" The last one is a GREAT reference book when I have specific questions. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp260.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cells Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:58:50 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <9et653$fri$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.16 X-Server-Date: 31 May 2001 02:59:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30000 In article <9et653$fri$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: > > if you only see a few queen cells placed in the middle of the comb 1 to 4 or > five you can be very sure of supercedure cells. Swarm cells you will find a > lot of but they will be placed on top of the frames or at button on frames > and the most you will normally find between the bottom box and the second > box if you have a dubbel brood chamber. Whoa! Say it again??? Please explain how the differences in purpose for queen cells relate to the differences in location of these cells within the hive? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New bees, Old hives Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:57:39 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9f5f62$2bq5k$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <_VNQ6.1990$XF3.103665@news1.atl> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 991313925 2484404 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30001 Sounds like they liked it well enough to move into! My question to you is ... are you planning on being a Beekeeper? -- BeeFarmer OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Dr. Raoul Duke" wrote in message news:_VNQ6.1990$XF3.103665@news1.atl... > We bought a vineyard last summer that had 4 hives and enough stuff left over > to make at least 2 more hives, well about two > weeks ago honey bees moved into one of them on their own. I have taken the > top off a few times and looked inside (what a rush) they are making cone and > cleaning up all the trash that was inside, the hive that they choose was > empty for at least two > years. > > Question: > Should I try to "keep" these bees or just let them be. (pun intended) > If I do keep them should I move them into a new hive or just clean up some > of the old stuff and use it? > What about using gloves, veils, and suites. Should I use them? > Should I be feeding them? > > Thanks > David > > Article 30002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splits Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:41:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 991323672 24.66.69.64 (Thu, 31 May 2001 08:41:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:41:12 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30002 A week ago I made 2 splits and introduced a new queen in each. After 3 days the queen was released. Now 3 days after that I looked for eggs and see none. Should the new queen be laying already? And if the queen was rejected, how long do I have till I have problems with laying workers? Thanks Article 30003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: From the NYT online - a better hive? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3B167E9A.AB71725D@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:25:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 259 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30003 Found this on the New York Times web site today. I paste it here in it's entirety as some of you may not subscribe. I wish they gave more details about how the frames are situated in these hives than they do. May 31, 2001 Human Nature: Bees Buzz a Path to His Hive By ANNE RAVER EST NYACK, N.Y. -- IT'S swarming time, and Ron Breland, who lost half of his honeybees last year, has captured three new colonies. He has put considerable thought into just where the bees will live next. Instead of those white boxy beehives invented 150 years ago so that humans could more easily harvest honey, Mr. Breland has invented a hive that a bee might make, if she could use power tools. A home, in other words, not for the convenience of humans, but a chalicelike vessel that cradles the oblong honeycombs that bees make as they mold hexagons of wax in the dark. A sphere where they can freely cluster around their queen, who is laying eggs like mad right now. When Mr. Breland and his wife, Otti, moved here almost 30 years ago, the apple trees were abuzz with honeybees. But the last few springs, those trees were virtually silent. Pesticides, loss of habitat and, lately, two species of mites have devastated the honeybee population. Wild bees like carpenter bees and bumblebees, who are resistant to the mite, help out a little in May and June. (The old saying is "A swarm of bees in May is worth a load of hay; a swarm of bees in June is worth a silver spoon; a swarm of bees in July is not worth a fly.") The world's food crops and flower boxes would be hurting without help from the European honeybee. Mr. Breland, an organic gardener, cannot control the pesticides drifting over his trees or the mites attacking his bees, but like a good healer, he knows how to take the pressure off and create a little breathing space. That comes down to architecture. Bee architecture. In nature, honeybees (who originated in the Old World) instinctively seek out a cavity, something cozy in the primeval forest, perhaps. But these bees fly across subdivisions and highways a few miles from the Tappan Zee Bridge. Early European beekeepers learned to make straw domes for bees or to set up hollow logs for them. That was before the industrial age brought the notion of standardization to America. In 1851, a Philadelphia pastor named Lorenzo Langstroth invented movable frames, which fitted precisely into a box with a passageway three-eighths of an inch for the bees. The bees seemed to like it, and beekeepers no longer had to destroy the hive to get honey. They could also transport the hives to help farmers pollinate their crops. But in Mr. Breland's view, that improvement came at a price, the increasing manipulation of nature. Bees had been moved from shapes that accommodated their own geometry to flat-topped tenements, sentenced to life in file cabinets, with 10 frames hanging vertically inside each box. Mr. Breland, who shuns the pesticides commercial beekeepers use for mites, decided to give bees space more friendly to nature. A few years ago, he invented five- sided hives with pointy five-sided roofs. One day last month, he stood under the tulip trees, among his humming pentagons of untreated spruce. "It's my firm belief that swarm period brings that element of chaos that revitalizes everything," he said. Commercial beekeepers discourage swarming, the creation of a new hive, because it interrupts honey production. But Mr. Breland doesn't care about the honey so much as the bees. The tulip trees had just come into bloom, their big white cups full of pollen and nectar for any high-flying bee. The black locusts had just finished blooming, their lush white fragrant blossoms hanging down from 80-foot trees all over town. And now the sourwoods were coming into flower. At Bumps & Company, the Brelands' nursery, you can wander beelike, sticking your nose into 40 kinds of salvias, a dozen penstemons, campanulas, monardas, larkspur, heliotrope and verbascum. A soft minipasture of phacelia - an annual, intense blue flower rich in nectar - is about ready to bloom. Bumps, Mr. Breland will tell you, peering intently through glasses that magnify his eyes, was the nickname of the English gardener Gertrude Jekyll. This idiosyncratic nursery, with its jumble of salvias, its climbing vines like moonflowers and purple hyacinth beans, its cardoons and 30 kinds of heirloom tomatoes, is a tribute to the opinionated, brilliant Jekyll. And a tribute to Mr. Breland, who goes to bed at night thinking about bees. Honeybees are dying, in case you haven't noticed. In case you don't drive down country roads as Mr. Breland does, looking for bees. "Pollinators are in real deep trouble," said Dr. David Pimentel, a professor of ecology and agriculture at Cornell. Commercial beekeepers reported a 50 to 80 percent decline after the hard winter of 2000-1. Mr. Breland, who left commercial photography seven years ago to devote himself to the ancient arts of gardening and beekeeping, said: "Bees sensitize you to the landscape. When I drive down the road, my mind is up in the trees. And when I see someone spraying, I want to tell them what they're doing to the bees." In industrial beehives, the bees are regimented: they are given wax cells larger than they would build, and the queen is tricked into laying more eggs. In Mr. Breland's hive, the bees build their own cells, and the queen moves freely among them. "The issue is stress removal," he said. "I can't do anything about the pesticides and the mites, but I can give them relief from 100 years of manipulations that have been whittling away their vitality." Just how the bee knows to build her perfect hexagons of wax has intrigued humans since the first honey was collected thousands of years ago. To build his new hive, Mr. Breland returned to sacred geometry - adjusted for human nature. "I wanted to build a six-sided hive," Mr. Breland said. "But it was a hot day, and a bunch of people wanted plants, so I thought, `Hey, this is O.K.' " Before opening one of his hives, he used an old-fashioned smoker full of smoldering sage, artemisia and red sumac to announce his presence. "Novices smoke everything to death because they're afraid of the bees," he said. Mr. Breland uses the smoke like incense in the Russian Orthodox Church. The bees seemed lulled by the heady mix as he lifted a slender wooden strip to disclose a chain of worker bees, hanging on to one another with their legs, forming waxy hexagonal cells. He lifted another strip, attached to a golden comb with bees moving purposefully to feed pollen and nectar to the larval bees. Somewhere in this hive, the queen was laying eggs. At the summer solstice, she will lay 1,500 a day, Mr. Breland said. The hive's population waxes and wanes with the sun. At the winter solstice, the bees cluster around to generate heat for their queen, who ceases her egg laying. When the sun begins its climb toward its zenith, the queen commences to repopulate the hive. Such rhythms of birth and renewal were not wasted on the ancients, who hailed bees as messengers of the gods. When the virgin queen is ready to mate, she leaves the hive and shoots up into the sky, Mr. Breland said. And the drones follow her. Then the old queen leaves with half her court swarming around her, to start another colony. "In high summer, a hive lives in the bosom of nature," Mr. Breland said. "Not just in the box - in the leaves, the flowers. The whole organism has expanded out into the world. The consciousness of the hive has literally moved into the landscape. I maintain if you step on a bee on the lawn, the bees in the box know." Mr. Breland is working with a friend in Columbia County to build a bee sanctuary on 650 acres of land, isolated, he hopes, from pesticide drift and surrounded by 200 acres of pollen-rich crops like buckwheat, clover, rape and phacelia. And when he goes to bed at night, maybe he will dream of yet another hive, known only to the bees. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 30004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: From the NYT online - a better hive? Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:10:11 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3B168902.92A73C5E@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3B167E9A.AB71725D@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30004 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > Found this on the New York Times web site today. I paste it here in it's > entirety as some of you may not subscribe. I wish they gave more details > about how the frames are situated in these hives than they do. > > May 31, 2001 > Human Nature: Bees Buzz a Path > to His Hive > By ANNE RAVER Thanks - This reads like she was being paid by the word. Article 30005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <9elfkc$d6s$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9emgp7$b7m$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Drones in super Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3WwR6.40046$D91.106196@news2-hme0> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:31:28 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.134.211 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 991337215 212.137.134.211 (Thu, 31 May 2001 20:26:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:26:55 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30005 I think that you have a faulty queen excluder and the queen has been in the super. "Paul Hirst" wrote in message news:9emgp7$b7m$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > There was a queen cell but the excluder was on before super was added, all > the drones where at the same stage of development and no sign of any other > laying, a small amount of pollen near drones all the rest of super was full > of honey. > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > news:9elfkc$d6s$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > You sure you don't have a queen up there or a laying worker? > > > > -- > > BeeFarmer > > OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.Com > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > "Paul Hirst" wrote in message > > news:9ejvjt$g1c$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > > > I took super of today to extract and found one frame half full of drone > > > larvae. Why do they take eggs through queen excluder and how do you stop > > it. > > > Thanks > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: swarm control and synchronous relocation Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2WwR6.40045$D91.106328@news2-hme0> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:22:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.134.211 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 991337214 212.137.134.211 (Thu, 31 May 2001 20:26:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:26:54 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30006 Removing q cells can make the colony bad tempered - especially if you remove them all after the queen has departed with a swarm. There is one crucial point to remember in moving colonies during swarming: if the colony has a new young queen that has not yet mated - but may have made orientation flights - then moving the colony may well be disastrous. You can move the artificial swarm with the old q; you can also move the parent colony with q cells, provided that there are no hatches. "David" wrote in message news:a955138.0105290725.4154be7c@posting.google.com... > It shouldn't happen to a beginner! You will see from point 7 that I have a big problem. > > I am a newbie beekeeper. I have my hive in my parent's garden. I know I > should have at least two - just give me time. > > Here's the story: > > 1. I re-queened (using a nuke) because my bees were very bad tempered and I > did not know the age or origins of the queen I had. > > 2. The new queen is laying and the brood seems to be developing and honey is > being stored. I have two British National brood boxes and two supers above a > qx. > > 3. Queen cells started to be formed soon after uniting the nuke with the > de-queened brood box. > > 4. As a beginner, I destroyed all of the q-cells, some of which contained an > egg. > > 5. My latest inspection revealed many q-cells, mainly along the bottom of > the frames in the top box, but also some in the bottom box and a few partway > up the face of the combs. Several of them had royal jelly in them. > > 6. I destroyed all that I could find, knowing that swarm control measures > would be needed but . and here comes the really bad news: > > 7. Two days previously, my father, in whose garden the hive is situated, had > been rushed to Accident and Emergency with a near fatal anaphylactic shock > reaction to some sort of bite or sting on the back of his head. The > probability is that it was one of my bees! He had been stung many times > before with very little reaction. On this occasion he was not close to the > hive, which had not been touched for at least 3 days. I must remove the > hive. > > 8. This is why I did not instigate artificial swarm measures: I am not sure > if they would work in conjunction with moving the hive to a fresh location. > Please advise on relocating a hive and performing swarm control at the same > time. Does the artificial swarm depend on the hive being in one location for > a while? Would anyone talk me thru the procedure of swam control and > relocating synchronously? I have books describing > artificial swarm etc. but I have never done it. > > I should be interested in comments on any part of my story, but especially > point 8. You will appreciate that the situation is quite urgent. > > David. Article 30007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aggressive hive... Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:00:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B16B0D1.49043A7C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30007 I'm in SW Missouri. I hived 2 3lb packages 5 weeks ago. Both queens are laying well. One hive (the one I hived first ... by one day) is absolutely FULL of bees. I just added a 2nd brood chamber today. The other hive isn't anywhere near as full...in fact it has 2 (or 3) frames it hasn't drawn yet. The full hive is incredibly aggressive. Even with smoke, they clustered on my gloves each time I touched a frame. I got probably 50-75 stings per glove. Why are they so aggressive? Is it a space problem that the new brood chamber will help alleviate? The not full hive got a new brood chamber too, but that was just as a precaution... I want them to have plenty of work to do so they won't think about swarming. No indications of swarming or superceding yet in either hive...I've been told package bees will tend to do one or the other, but here it is 5 weeks later and they aren't. I'll count myself lucky for now. Anyway, sorry to ramble, any ideas on the aggressiveness? (Both queens and packages came from the same supplier) Thanks, Taylor Article 30008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm control and synchronous relocation Date: 31 May 2001 16:07:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0105311507.3e58ad5b@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991350448 13942 127.0.0.1 (31 May 2001 23:07:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2001 23:07:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30008 hircock@yahoo.com (David) wrote in message news:... > It shouldn't happen to a beginner! You will see from point 7 that I have a big problem. > > I am a newbie beekeeper. I have my hive in my parent's garden. I know I > should have at least two - just give me time. > > Here's the story: -snip- > 7. Two days previously, my father, in whose garden the hive is situated, had > been rushed to Accident and Emergency with a near fatal anaphylactic shock > reaction to some sort of bite or sting on the back of his head. The > probability is that it was one of my bees! He had been stung many times > before with very little reaction. On this occasion he was not close to the > hive, which had not been touched for at least 3 days. I must remove the > hive. The human immune system, and it's response to things like stings, can change suddenly, even after years of "de-sensitizing". A medical evaluation by an allergist would probably be in order. > 8. This is why I did not instigate artificial swarm measures: I am not sure > if they would work in conjunction with moving the hive to a fresh location. > Please advise on relocating a hive and performing swarm control at the same > time. Does the artificial swarm depend on the hive being in one location for > a while? Would anyone talk me thru the procedure of swam control and > relocating synchronously? I have books describing > artificial swarm etc. but I have never done it. When all preventive measures have failed, I will: 1.Find the queen. 2.Move the queen, along with several frames of bees and stores to an empty hive box. (You can move up to half the frames, but I'll usually just take 4 or 5. Also, don't move any queen queen cells, leave them all with the original hive.) 3.Fill in all gaps in both hives with frames. 4.Relocate this new hive to another place, at least a couple miles away. In doing this, you have forced the old queen to "swarm". The original hive will raise a new queen. After there is a laying queen in the original hive, you may return the new hive (with the old queen) to the original location and either combine the two into one, using only one of the queens, or leave them as two hives side by side. Nuc Article 30009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:44:50 GMT References: <3B16B0D1.49043A7C@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Aggressive hive... Message-ID: <20010531204450.03995.00002062@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30009 Well the supplier may not use bees of the same race as the queens so in a few weeks they should start exhibiting the characteristics of the queen. Sometimes after the initial puff or two of smoke you can get by better with a spray of sugar water. Were it me I would hedge my bet and order a queen to make a nuc and then requeen if needed. Where did your bees come from and what kind? Article 30010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New bees, Old hives Date: 31 May 2001 21:45:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <_VNQ6.1990$XF3.103665@news1.atl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991370754 23299 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2001 04:45:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2001 04:45:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30010 Howdy David -- This would be a good time for you get into a very interesting hobby. By all means keep them. Get protective gear enough to prevent excessive stings which might dampen your interest. Get the bees into useable equipment as soon as possible. This means you will need to hit the bee books and these forums for information as you need it. Good Luck Pete *********************************************