Article 34479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:34:35 EDT Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:45:14 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34479 As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in contact with dried glues etc. Advice? a Article 34480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 May 2003 14:59:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: usenet_offline-m21) Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Message-ID: <20030517105945.29002.00000071@mb-m21.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!205.188.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34480 In article , "AMG" writes: > >As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my >new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an >adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the >exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very >careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in >contact with dried glues etc. > Of course, glue. Bob Pursley Article 34481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:47:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20030517105945.29002.00000071@mb-m21.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34481 "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20030517105945.29002.00000071@mb-m21.aol.com... > In article , "AMG" > writes: > > > > >As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my > >new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an > >adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the > >exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very > >careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in > >contact with dried glues etc. > > > > Of course, glue. > Bob Pursley I use a basic woodworking glue on all the joints. I find my gear will with stand the stresses of manipulation and extraction. Chuck Article 34482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:18:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3ec76b72$0$322$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> Organization: [posted via UK Online] NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.40.196.113 X-Trace: DXC=i`BQOP4IRnib3NmAPEl^Tej1`m[@E2^limUfa>3V4Ne` Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!easynet-thlon3!easynet.net!easynet-post2!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34482 "AMG" wrote in message news:LTqxa.9911$5y5.7093@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com... > As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my > new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an > adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the > exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very > careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in > contact with dried glues etc. > > Advice? > As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I always glue up the hive bodies/floors/roofs with a waterproof PVA because it allows more movement. and has no noxious fumes. But Frames you may one day want to take apart or replace a broken bar. Dont glue them. They are not exposed to weather, and when the comb is drawn out all the parts are held rigidly in place anyway by wax and propolis. IMHO it is only necessary to nail them to hold them together unitl the comb is drawn. Tim W Article 34483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ec76b72$0$322$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:38:25 EDT Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 07:49:01 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!64.154.60.99.MISMATCH!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34483 "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:3ec76b72$0$322$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk... > > "AMG" wrote in message > news:LTqxa.9911$5y5.7093@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com... > > As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my > > new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an > > adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the > > exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very > > careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in > > contact with dried glues etc. > > > > Advice? > > > As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I always glue up the hive > bodies/floors/roofs with a waterproof PVA because it allows more movement. > and has no noxious fumes. > > But Frames you may one day want to take apart or replace a broken bar. Dont > glue them. They are not exposed to weather, and when the comb is drawn out > all the parts are held rigidly in place anyway by wax and propolis. IMHO it > is only necessary to nail them to hold them together unitl the comb is > drawn. > > Tim W Good point. It's my first hive, so I really don't know what to expect... I've read some opinions since posting, that say to glue, since the frames are so inexpensive and essentially 'disposable' after a certain number of seasons anyway. OTOH, I don't like tossing stuff that can be repaired. In any case, there's so little surface area (mostly end-grain joints too), that I doubt whether glue will make that much dif in the frames. I glued the first batch, but will probably not do it again. a Article 34484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 May 2003 13:09:08 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Message-ID: <20030518090908.02162.00000147@mb-m12.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!205.188.226.98!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34484 Hi, We had been gluing frames when we were nailing them since we picked up a pneumatic stapler we do not. Those durn staples are so strong at 1 1/4-1 1/8 "long. the combined frames are put together so strongly that I don't believe they can be taken apart. The critical bit though is still to put a nail or staple thru the top of the side bar into the top bar to lock things together. In mnsho If I was back to nailing frames I would use glue (Elmer's or some form of white glue) on all my frames. With my current set up of not quite 50 hives (odd doggone size to big to be an amateur but to small to be commercial in any significant way) with mostly used equipment that I am slowly as I can afford it replacing the worst elderly stuff. The one thing that can get me cussing is to pull the top bar off a frame (well aged and drawn comb and propolis so that ole saw is bullfeathers) when I'm working in one of my hives. Because they didn't put a locking nail into the side bar. The girls tell me in eloquent detail how much they dislike my hammering on there frame. Well hope that helps some, Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 34485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ec76b72$0$322$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <3wTxa.48$qZ5.8419@se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:09:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.23.252.19 X-Trace: se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net 1053295743 212.23.252.19 (Mon, 19 May 2003 00:09:03 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:09:03 MET DST Organization: COLT Telecom AG, Switzerland Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peernews3.colt.net!se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34485 glue could be toxic. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland cellular/portable 0041 78 6272967 "AMG" a écrit dans le message de news:RgKxa.14610$5y5.9493@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com... > > "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message > news:3ec76b72$0$322$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk... > > > > "AMG" wrote in message > > news:LTqxa.9911$5y5.7093@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com... > > > As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together > my > > > new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an > > > adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for > the > > > exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very > > > careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in > > > contact with dried glues etc. > > > > > > Advice? > > > > > As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I always glue up the hive > > bodies/floors/roofs with a waterproof PVA because it allows more movement. > > and has no noxious fumes. > > > > But Frames you may one day want to take apart or replace a broken bar. > Dont > > glue them. They are not exposed to weather, and when the comb is drawn out > > all the parts are held rigidly in place anyway by wax and propolis. IMHO > it > > is only necessary to nail them to hold them together unitl the comb is > > drawn. > > > > Tim W > > > Good point. It's my first hive, so I really don't know what to expect... > > I've read some opinions since posting, that say to glue, since the frames > are so inexpensive and essentially 'disposable' after a certain number of > seasons anyway. OTOH, I don't like tossing stuff that can be repaired. In > any case, there's so little surface area (mostly end-grain joints too), that > I doubt whether glue will make that much dif in the frames. I glued the > first batch, but will probably not do it again. > a > > > Article 34486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:43:54 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.25.181.86 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1053297834 27837 62.25.181.86 (18 May 2003 22:43:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2003 22:43:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34486 I glued. Wont again. Can be useful to be able to prize frames appart when cleaning, especiallly if you want to store them for a while. If you glue then you'll end up breaking the frames. On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:45:14 -0400, "AMG" wrote: >As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my >new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an >adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the >exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very >careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in >contact with dried glues etc. > >Advice? > >a > > Article 34487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 May 2003 07:26:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: going it w/o meds Message-ID: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!205.188.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34487 Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends doing beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR terramycin unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm in Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable here....) Article 34488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:15:57 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.186.97 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1053335082 203.54.186.97 (Mon, 19 May 2003 19:04:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:04:42 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news1.optus.net.au!optus!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34488 In most of the rest of the western world you can't even buy terramycin without a diagnosis and order barry "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com... > Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends doing > beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR terramycin > unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm in > Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable here....) > Article 34489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:44:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3ec8c35e.148558116@news1.radix.net> References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip148.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34489 On Mon, 19 May 2003 19:15:57 +1000, "Barry" wrote: >In most of the rest of the western world >you can't even buy terramycin without a diagnosis and order >barry Haven't been a farm supply store lately have you? beekeep >"LKLarson1" wrote in message >news:20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com... >> Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends >doing >> beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR >terramycin >> unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm >in >> Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable >here....) >> > > Article 34490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EC8CC25.9070404@alltel.net> From: James Lindstrom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: going it w/o meds References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:15:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.102.114.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alltel.net X-Trace: news.alltel.net 1053346557 166.102.114.10 (Mon, 19 May 2003 07:15:57 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:15:57 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!NetNews1!attsl2!attsl1!ip.att.net!news.alltel.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34490 This is the approach which has been recommended to me as well, and I think it is wise. It requires that we pay closer attention to our bees, and not do things by rote. My only reservation is that in some cases we may not catch the problem until it is too late. Recently I had a case of something I couldn't identify. The closest diagnosis I could come up with was foulbrood, but it fit none of the published descriptions I could find. I didn't want to rtreat without being sure, but waiting until I got a reply from a bee lab could be disasterous to a new package. So I reached out and treated with TM. Hive cleared up in about two weeks and is going strong. Fed all the other hives on 1 gallon TM syrup each, then stopped. I agree with scrapping the spring meds idea, but I still routinely feed Fumagillan. Jim Lindstrom Oak Forest, PA LKLarson1 wrote: >Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends doing >beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR terramycin >unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm in >Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable here....) > > > Article 34491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees at entrance Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:14:40 EDT Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:25:03 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp1.fuse.net!news.astraweb.com!news-small.astraweb.com!newsfeeds-atl1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34491 Granted, it's been raining for several days. No water pools on bottom board though. I noted a half-dozen dead bees at entrance yesterday. Should I be worried??? a Article 34492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: dead bees at entrance Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:47:21 EDT Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:57:41 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34492 "Tim Arheit" wrote in message news:bab56b$5ns$0@65.17.150.71... > On Mon, 19 May 2003 08:25:03 -0400, "AMG" > wrote: > > >Granted, it's been raining for several days. No water pools on bottom board > >though. I noted a half-dozen dead bees at entrance yesterday. Should I be > >worried??? > >a > > Unless they look abnormal in some way (deformed wings, etc.) then > there is no cause for concern. Typically, bees die in the hive every > day. More so when they can't get out to forage. Normally these dead > bees are cleaned out and moved away from the hive, but during > inclimate weather (rain, cold) the dead may not be moved far if they > are removed from the hive at all. Remember, 20,000 to 60,000 bees in > a hive, with a life span of about 6 weeks in the summer means that > some 400-1400 bees die every day of natural causes. This morning we saw our first sun in days. Bees got a slow start and the corpses were still there for a while. Finally midday, the hive was 'all a buzz', and I noted the dead bees gone. Sounds like no big deal. Thanks kindly for the reply! ...one more day in a newbie beekeep's learning curve a Article 34493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:59:17 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1053370756.576762@spinics.net> References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34493 In article , Barry wrote: >In most of the rest of the western world >you can't even buy terramycin without a diagnosis and order What makes you think that? Article 34494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:29:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3ec95a3e.187189837@news1.radix.net> References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> <3EC8CC25.9070404@alltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip167.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34494 Sending samples to USDA bee labs will only tell you if you have foulbrood. Any other disease will not be looked for and the report will come back as negative.. beekeep On Mon, 19 May 2003 12:15:57 GMT, James Lindstrom wrote: >This is the approach which has been recommended to me as well, and I >think it is wise. It requires that we pay closer attention to our bees, >and not do things by rote. My only reservation is that in some cases we >may not catch the problem until it is too late. > >Recently I had a case of something I couldn't identify. The closest >diagnosis I could come up with was foulbrood, but it fit none of the >published descriptions I could find. I didn't want to rtreat without >being sure, but waiting until I got a reply from a bee lab could be >disasterous to a new package. So I reached out and treated with TM. Hive >cleared up in about two weeks and is going strong. Fed all the other >hives on 1 gallon TM syrup each, then stopped. > >I agree with scrapping the spring meds idea, but I still routinely feed >Fumagillan. > >Jim Lindstrom >Oak Forest, PA > > > >LKLarson1 wrote: > >>Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends doing >>beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR terramycin >>unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm in >>Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable here....) >> >> >> > Article 34495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Blair Emory" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining Swarms Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 02:33:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.82.159.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1053398029 12.82.159.22 (Tue, 20 May 2003 02:33:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 02:33:49 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34495 Seems to me that I read about how to combine swarms years ago. After a 40 year layoff I have started to keep bees again and have wound up with 2 swarms, one was from my only hive, the other just arrived a day later. It landed within 2 feet of where the first one did. Something about my yellow equipment trailer they must like:) I am sure they are not mine too. However they do not have a laying queen after a week. For a virgin swam, it was quite big. Since I don't want 3 hives, I have considered trying to combine the two. Any suggestions? -- Cheers Blair Article 34496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:52:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3EC9A39D.537697A5@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:40:13 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: going it w/o meds References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> <3ec8c35e.148558116@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.14 X-Trace: sv3-uzsolJW4uDUI6or8/xe4mUaPCOP0vH0bMEGZTd3Cz/UC4xgRohfH+Gs9IG7Xf5QJVtzNI/3Ix52lX1n!B+6OEgt5yGed5MQ4vFyb6jjagz3HyIDkn/ANu/ivVv9nYieZD39TP/eRRz+L97D/d/mVoQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34496 beekeep wrote: > > On Mon, 19 May 2003 19:15:57 +1000, "Barry" > wrote: > > >In most of the rest of the western world > >you can't even buy terramycin without a diagnosis and order > >barry > > Haven't been a farm supply store lately have you? > > beekeep > Evidently he hasn't. Wonder what he'd say about the availability of syringes? BTW, isn't penicillin supposed to be refrigerated??? AL Article 34497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3EC9A4D7.B722646B@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:45:27 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Swarms References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.14 X-Trace: sv3-0pVMfSi+dlwharcx3LGXGptLNTQOi67nzrI14PbwFvT4Bx+5wuHg/DROaNwKEV0HtftDgUNkmT9qcbK!iL6stWapkcLrfPi7WEPpSH6mnDqjjj8AImfTpHA35Vg6ZihcWbetiIDODeIcjMaK8PTmRg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34497 Blair Emory wrote: > > Seems to me that I read about how to combine swarms years ago. After a 40 > year layoff I have started to keep bees again and have wound up with 2 > swarms, one was from my only hive, the other just arrived a day later. It > landed within 2 feet of where the first one did. Something about my yellow > equipment trailer they must like:) I am sure they are not mine too. However > they do not have a laying queen after a week. For a virgin swam, it was > quite big. > > Since I don't want 3 hives, I have considered trying to combine the two. Any > suggestions? I'd spray them down with sugar water & vanilla extract and toss 'em all in the same box together. By the time they finish cleaning up the mess and the smell of vanilla dissipates you'll have one happy colony. AL Article 34498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jonas Bamberger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3EC9A4D7.B722646B@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Combining Swarms Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:14:51 +0200 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.74.32 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.203.74.32 Message-ID: <3eca46d0_1@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1053443792 62.203.74.32 (20 May 2003 17:16:32 +0200) Organization: Bluewin AG Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34498 Might work like AL said! Have heard about this method. I would try to combine them by putting some newspaper-sheets between the two swarms. So they can "get to know each-other" slowly and once the paper is bitten through they will live happily together. Greetings from Switzerland! Jonas "AL" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3EC9A4D7.B722646B@hcis.net... > Blair Emory wrote: > > > > Seems to me that I read about how to combine swarms years ago. After a 40 > > year layoff I have started to keep bees again and have wound up with 2 > > swarms, one was from my only hive, the other just arrived a day later. It > > landed within 2 feet of where the first one did. Something about my yellow > > equipment trailer they must like:) I am sure they are not mine too. However > > they do not have a laying queen after a week. For a virgin swam, it was > > quite big. > > > > Since I don't want 3 hives, I have considered trying to combine the two. Any > > suggestions? > > > > I'd spray them down with sugar water & vanilla extract and toss 'em all > in the same box together. By the time they finish cleaning up the mess > and the smell of vanilla dissipates you'll have one happy colony. > > AL Article 34499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1053445079 24.62.89.183 (Tue, 20 May 2003 15:37:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:37:59 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:37:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34499 "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com... > Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends doing > beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR terramycin > unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm in > Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable here....) I'm in Massachusetts and am a hobbyist also (3 or 4 colonies). I'm going more and more w/o meds. No terramycin at all. Last fall I did Apistan, but that was no help. Not wanting to go down the Checkmite road (I do comb honey) I used oxalic acid. Two of the four died over the winter (the two that were the most mite-infested). I haven't checked mite drop this year on the other two that survived, but the hives look strong - I split one to get back to three. Going this route means more work and paying closer attention - rotate out brood combs so no brood comb stays longer than 5 years, keep good hygienic stock. I have used NWC queens and had fantastic results - last year I let all four colonies raise their own queens after some swarming and had nothing but trouble. This year I'm back to NWC queens from Strachan Apiaries. Good luck with it - I think it's the best way to go. -Steve Article 34500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dan Humlick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee video Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:40:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.149.236.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053463209 66.149.236.131 (Tue, 20 May 2003 13:40:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:40:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34500 I am interested in starting this as a hobby. I am currently not in a location where I can actively start a hive. Does anyone know of any good videos on bee keeping that might stimulate my interests? Article 34501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Blair Emory" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Combining Swarms Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:58:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.82.155.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1053482287 12.82.155.221 (Wed, 21 May 2003 01:58:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:58:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34501 Thanks to all. I looked last night and the queen is laying. Guess I will wait a bit to see which one is the best queen and get rid of the other, then combine. I sort of like Al's method, but seems the other was the one I was trying to remember. -- Cheers Blair " Article 34502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Blair Emory" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <48Bya.165573$ja4.8194766@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:03:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.82.155.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1053482624 12.82.155.221 (Wed, 21 May 2003 02:03:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:03:44 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34502 Anyone have a small, 2 or 4 frame extractor they want to sell? I am in south central Washington state. -- Cheers Blair Article 34503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:15:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3ECADE5A.27CC342A@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:03:06 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Swarms References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.142 X-Trace: sv3-cULuYCBTSVPRAbRX5RfEgfVvaEAyNMyatMwLkq9o1NpkK4msGalZens1KWylKDLgxDMv+PJWJ+I+GHP!in3DTvt2h9ujX5xNwL4jzaRw74acoNy+3VOMjES/v4ZHM6q+KCOVzQ4zMB+4ZiAt8AKMMls= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34503 Blair Emory wrote: > > Thanks to all. I looked last night and the queen is laying. Guess I will > wait a bit to see which one is the best queen and get rid of the other, then > combine. I sort of like Al's method, but seems the other was the one I was > trying to remember. > > The newspaper trick works too, its just that I'm not very patient and want to get things done in one visit. The sugar & vanilla shower makes that possible. AL Article 34504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:35:17 -0500 From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <48Bya.165573$ja4.8194766@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Need Extractor Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:36:27 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.85.26.179 X-Trace: sv3-edEH5Pq3MsMyTDJb8UyG7rjctCPzC/UZiC8PQzylo840drKHa5RMRWN0w/8uLeKznYUk5wRBNny4TsT!SmVomSe1sXkMsr+AFU0IIrQ83byLf/lR/431jaQ1MqS3Xu6sbCxI719OTXHB3Eujyw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@povn.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@povn.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.povn.com!news.povn.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34504 "Blair Emory" wrote > Anyone have a small, 2 or 4 frame extractor they want to sell? I am in south > central Washington state. You might check Tate's Honey Farm in Spokane http://www.tateshoneyfarm.com/ There is usually at least one posted for sale on their bulletin board. If not, leave word with them that you're looking for one. Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 34505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: brick863@aol.com (Rick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New hives requeening? Date: 20 May 2003 20:00:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.208.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1053486013 15259 127.0.0.1 (21 May 2003 03:00:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2003 03:00:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34505 About a month ago I installed two packages of bees into hives. I'm a newbie, btw. Yesterday when checking the frames, I noticed one hive had what looked like three queen cells with one of them open. I was unable to get marked queens so I haven't been able to track the queen each time I check (about once a week). There was a large cluster around one part where I think the queen may be. The other hive also has what looks like queen cells. Both hives have sealed cells of syrup and eggs. They are also both gathering pollen. Both hives seemed to accept their queen initially. I waited three days and then released them from their cages. There was no candy for workers to eat through. Is this supercedure or possibly swarming? The cells in question were on the upper third of the frame. If I destroy them mistakingly thinking its swarming won't I in effect kill the hive? What should I do? Rick in the Ozarks Article 34506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New hives requeening? Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:37:45 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34506 Rick, What concerns me is that when you install a new queen, you need to leave the hive alone for one week in order to release and accept their queen. My queen cage didn't have a candy plug either. I simply removed the cork and put in a piece of marshmallow. The fact that their are eggs suggested that the queen is healthy and laying eggs. I'm surprised that there would be queen cells this early unless they have rejected the queen. Keep checking the hive and try to stop your queen and eggs. Make sure that it is one in egg centered in the cell and that you don't have a laying worker (multiple eggs in one cell). Good luck! James Article 34507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: New hives requeening? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ECBE83A.A18502B7@yahoo.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Dew of the Plains Apiaries X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:57:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34507 Hi Rick, Those cells you are seeing are almost certainly supercedure cells. Package hives, since it will be at least three weeks before brood starts hatching, usually do make several supercedure cells in anticipation of a failing queen. When the brood starts hatching out, which should already be happening since you said it has been a month since installation, the colony will lose the supercedure urge provided of course you have a good queen. Leave them bee, since you have capped brood in the hives - they are doing fine. Another thing, it's too late for you now but I will tell you anyway for next time, is that for a PACKAGE colony you don't need to cage the queen on installation. The queen and colony have already been cohabitating for a few days while in transit with the USPS and have already acclimated to each another. When I install a package I let the queen out of the cage at installation time. This gives queenie a three day head start on her egg laying. This is why the package supplier left the candy out of the cage - it is not needed. This is NOT true for requeening a ESTABLISHED colony. In that case you need a time release - which is the purpose for the candy. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 34508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pete B" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: One Weak Hive Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:28:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34508 Hi I have 2 new hives in South Louisiana. since April 8. (packages) One hive is really building up and eating lots of syrup. The other one is much slower. Think it's a good idea to swap a frame of brood from the strong one to the poor one ? (or maybe 2 ?) Thanks Pete - new beekeeper Article 34509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dan Humlick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: bee video Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:16:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.149.236.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1053569800 66.149.236.131 (Wed, 21 May 2003 19:16:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:16:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34509 "Tim Arheit" wrote in message news:bagllj$bja$1@65.17.150.71... > On Tue, 20 May 2003 20:40:09 GMT, "Dan Humlick" > wrote: > > >I am interested in starting this as a hobby. I am currently not in a > >location where I can actively start a hive. Does anyone know of any good > >videos on bee keeping that might stimulate my interests? > > In addition to videos, you may want to visit a local beekeeper who may > show you around. You could also attend a local beekeeping association > meeting assuming one is near you. They are a great source for > information (Ours for example even has many videos that can be > borrowed). Contact your agricultural extension office if you have > trouble locating any beekeepers. > > Where aer you located? > > -Tim > I am in Silicon Valley (San Jose, CA area). Article 34510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:25:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3ECC4028.F87E963B@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:12:40 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: One Weak Hive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.61 X-Trace: sv3-4Xdk/lrospTUNzRdPVX2LdEr8XDRiF/9EY7uls+jDXBxpVmspxJpy0GGyYOeAKuq65mCyWfwGZWQRbK!o7TEg78vrb9tDDwUoB79maelstyI1R11VKmp/GP9XNdwR96dCqivQz2bXR4LZ8se/kj/LA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34510 Pete B wrote: > > Hi > I have 2 new hives in South Louisiana. since April 8. (packages) > One hive is really building up and eating lots of syrup. The other one is > much slower. Think it's a good idea to swap a frame of brood from the strong > one to the poor one ? (or maybe 2 ?) > Thanks > Pete - new beekeeper Does the weak hive show signs of a laying queen - good brood pattern, freshly laid eggs? AL Article 34511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:23:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1053627814 24.64.223.206 (Thu, 22 May 2003 12:23:34 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:23:34 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34511 That's OK; instead chemicals like Apistan you can treat the colonies with Oxamite Strips. It's a new natural product and on the site from the oxalic vaporizer company. "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com... > Being a hobbyist for a number of years, the local beestore now recommends doing > beekeeping the hygenic way--meaning, don't treat with apistan OR terramycin > unless a problem shows up and then just treat that particular hive. I'm in > Oregon. Any comments? (Of course, I'm feeling a little vunerable here....) > Article 34512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee video Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:39:25 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34512 Also try reading, "Beekeeping for Dummies". Sounds like a silly book but it was the only one that I read before I started beekeeping and it gave me all the information and confidence that I needed to started beekeeping. It you read through it and follow it to the letter, you can't go wrong. I believe that it retails for $17.00 and can be ordered on line at Barnes and Noble.com or Amazon.com For all your supplest I found that Mann Lake Ltd. is very reasonably priced and I have been happy with the quality of all their products. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=beekeeping+for+d ummies&userid=0E6YJEVBWU&cds2Pid=946 http://www.bee-commerce.com/ http://www.mannlakeltd.com/index.html James Article 34513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fletch@gate.gormenghast Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need help diagnosing hive problem Date: 23 May 2003 03:25:15 -0700 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-499.newsdawg.com Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!129.250.169.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34513 I have 4 hives - two Buckfast from new kit & packages (which are doing great), and two I bought from someone else last summer with a pile of old kit, which aren't doing so well. One Italian, one Carnolian. As you might be able to tell from the below, I'm just starting really ;-) The Italians did great over the mild winter, and seemed to build up fast in the spring, and a month ago where manically active on nice days. Now they're very quiet, seemed to have died down a lot in terms of numbers in the hive, and have thousands of dead adult bees outside (off the landing board, but not by much). Definitely something wrong, but not sure what ... I can't see or smell anything bad inside the hive. Any ideas what causes that kind of die-off? The Carnolians were always rather weak (from nuc last year), and didn't seem to be laying well ... I found their queen, who seemed not to be laying at all well so I killed her, and gave them a couple of frames of capped & uncapped brood from the stronger Italian hive ... I guess the brood was too old or something, as they seem to have failed dismally to make a new queen (it's been over a month now). I did see a couple of what looked like varroa mites in there, but can't see any now. I've ordered a new queen for them, hopefully will help. Or should I just kill them off, and try to start again with the new queen splitting the clean stock? I guess I'm worried about the Italians, seems like I'm going to have to medicate them somehow (much though I hate the idea) ... but with what? Thanks, Martin. PS. I've always kept the old equipment I bought confined to the hives I got with it as a precaution. Is there any easy way to sterilise the rest of the kit so that I could re-use it safely? Lye / blow-torch? PPS. If anyone has managed to convert a washing machine into a radial extractor, I'd be interested in what you did ;-) seems to have all the parts, and I have a nice big spare top-loader in good condition ... Article 34514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3ECE9DD8.9020006@alltel.net> From: James Lindstrom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: going it w/o meds References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:11:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.102.114.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alltel.net X-Trace: news.alltel.net 1053727914 166.102.114.200 (Fri, 23 May 2003 17:11:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:11:54 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!attcg2!attsl2!ip.att.net!news.alltel.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34514 Do you have a link for the Oxamite Strips? I Googled it and nothing came up. Jim Lindstrom Beeguy wrote: >That's OK; instead chemicals like Apistan you can treat the colonies with >Oxamite Strips. It's a new natural product and on the site from the oxalic >vaporizer company. > > > > > Article 34515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee equipment Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:31:24 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34515 Posted on ebay smoker,wire imbedder and a uncapping knife electric item# 2324990718 Article 34516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20030519032641.17691.00000402@mb-m15.aol.com> <3ECE9DD8.9020006@alltel.net> Subject: Re: going it w/o meds Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:55:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1053748505 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 23 May 2003 21:55:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:55:05 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34516 It's on the website from the oxalic acid vaporizer company http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln "James Lindstrom" wrote in message news:3ECE9DD8.9020006@alltel.net... > Do you have a link for the Oxamite Strips? I Googled it and nothing came up. > > Jim Lindstrom > > Beeguy wrote: > > >That's OK; instead chemicals like Apistan you can treat the colonies with > >Oxamite Strips. It's a new natural product and on the site from the oxalic > >vaporizer company. > > > > > > > > > > > Article 34517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeremy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: University student needs pics of caterpillar eating leaf. Need photographers permission Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:37:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.183.255.232 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1053920228 66.183.255.232 (Sun, 25 May 2003 21:37:08 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 21:37:08 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34517 Hi All I’m working on a project where we needs some pictures of caterpillars eating leaves. Have some great Bee pics now. Always willing to look and consider more for our website and documents. Thanks, Terry Article 34518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: emami202002@yahoo.com (farid) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killing of drones -need help Date: 26 May 2003 03:21:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5542a326.0305260221.4aef5bc8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.219.151.132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1053944475 838 127.0.0.1 (26 May 2003 10:21:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 2003 10:21:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34518 i am a beekeeper and unfortunately i see that in my colonies worker bees kill drones now climate is very good and there are many flowers in my area and i don't know what is the main cause of killing of drones by worker bees Article 34519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Video about bees....(different from "bee video" post) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:44:38 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3ed1fda5$0$225@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.36.181.226 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1053949349 225 196.36.181.226 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!oleane.net!oleane!news.tiscali.fr!proxad.net!proxad.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34519 A while ago (over 24 months) I was watching either Discovery or National Geo. and there was a program on this guy down in south america, saving all these Amazon bees. I was wondering if anyone knew what this program was and where I could get a copy. I looked at the National Geo. website and could not find it.... Help would be appreciated. D. Article 34520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: killing of drones -need help Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <5542a326.0305260221.4aef5bc8@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 28 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:11:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1053961912 209.204.149.216 (Mon, 26 May 2003 08:11:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:11:52 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news.ticon.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34520 In article <5542a326.0305260221.4aef5bc8@posting.google.com>, emami202002@yahoo.com (farid) wrote: > i am a beekeeper and unfortunately i see that in my colonies worker > bees kill drones > now climate is very good and there are many flowers in my area and i > don't know what is the main cause of killing of drones by worker bees Too many of them. Above a certain point, I've heard over and over about how the workers will push them out of the hive (dead or alive...) to get rid of them. Besides... You don't much care about drones anyway, unless you're looking to be mating queens. They contribute nothing whatsoever to the hive except during a mating flight. Any other time, they're the "unwelcome brother-in-law" crashing on your couch and snarfing down the contents of your pantry. They're literally nothing but a drain on your colony. If they're otherwise healthy drones (No deformed wings/eyes to indicate mites, no obvious "operational problems", and so on) I wouldn't worry about it. They're almost certainly just culling the useless. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:59:30 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:01:48 -0400 Subject: Mineral Oil From: samuel garrett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.44.12.175 X-Trace: sv3-Qf7Cl94eioi44qzw71TmQquUfxuOxrYd7o5hpDqh33ynSjmaPw2YHDFOpfYp5fEvVfakb0wkRNG5ZNG!Xxz4Utz/3IqeIoCgkKVoquu0n/7h7w4db7cYm9Ri7pPFaNucK/+z4UVrmx7Wu6k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34521 I've read alot about the use of mineral oil to control varroa and I'm going to give it a try. Has anyone any info on the effects of M.O. on small hive beetles? I am not a migratory beekeeper but I do move them to areas where there are. Most are infected with SHB. So I know it is only a matter of time till I get them too. Any comments appreciated, except flip ones of course. Article 34522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sefernan@interlink.com.ar (Sergio Fernandez) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia 2007 - English II Date: 26 May 2003 19:44:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 122 Message-ID: <775827dc.0305261844.58ce37b5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.69.6.45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054003499 12872 127.0.0.1 (27 May 2003 02:44:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 2003 02:44:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34522 The South for the World Argentina for Apimondia 2007 These are times of globalization as well as instantaneous world media. We as beekeepers mainly, who usually participate in some of the argentine´s beekeeping e-mail lists, support and propose our country to be host for the future Beekeeping International Conference, APIMONDIA to be held in 2007. We trust in Argentina´s beekeeking strength as well as our leadership capacity to organize and deal such mega event. So, we invite the whole World Virtual Community through their agents, to support with your vote this candidacy in the next Apimondia/2003 in Lubliana-Eslovenia. From here, the very Far South, Argentina, we cordially greet our colleagues worldwide. Support this iniatiative, those below detailed. e-mail lists (Spanish) Apicultura http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/apicultura/ Lista de Apicultura http://www.geocities.com/sitioapicola/listadeapicultura.htm#1) Apicultura http://www.elistas.net/lista/apicultura/ Api-Lista http://www.interlap.com.ar/cgi-bin/majordomo/majorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=api-lista Criadoresdereinas http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/criadoresdereinas/ lamiel http://www.elistas.net/lista/lamiel/ Lapisada http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/lapisada/ Todomiel http://www.elistas.net/lista/todomiel/ Vivoeinerte http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/vivoeinerte/ Achaval, Beatriz Aguirre, Leandro Alonso, Americo Antonio Bagnato Asociación Civil Mamuil Mapú (Ambientalista-cultural, sin fines de lucro Avila, Roberto Azaretto, Marta Balbarrey, German Balbas, Ruben Bongiovani, Fernando Cabanillas, Martin Campanera, Ana María Canigia, Adrian Cargnelutti, Jorge Castro Sotos, Alberto Cesano, Leandro Cocco, Raul Collado Hebe Coutas, Raul Crespo, Patricio Daro, Mario Decoud, Sergio Del Prado Delgado Maestre, Miguel Díaz, Julio Cesar Diaz, Manuel Dominguez Elio Escauriza, Ignacio Fernandez, Sergio Fey, Enrique Forti, Eduardo Franco, Christian Gallez, Liliana Garcia, Alejandro Gibaudo, Gabriel Giraudo, Lucas Gluck, Alejandro Guiñazu, Edgardo Harriague, Carlos Huerta, Adrian Huerta, Guillermo Imberti, Roberto Jiménez, Pamela Lang, Ricardo Lema, Diego Luján Amadeo Rodri Luján Franco Adriel Madonado, Carlos Maldonado Luis Matas, Jose Medinas, Maria Merendino, Rodolfo Montiel, Sergio Orozco, Rossy Orradre, Gabriel Paolant, M. Paracchi, Jose Puma Habil Quiroga Ramón Zenón Quiroga Vicenta Edith Quiroz, Enrique Raspo, Claudia Rigo Daniel Rodolfo Rodriguez W, Jorge Romero, Jorge Russo, Pablo Sánchez, Marcelo Saucedo, Laura Shitan Simo, Alberto Sociedad Apícola de Buena Esperanza (Pers. Jurídica 51/94) Sosa Daniel Strack, Angel Telmo Martinez Tesari, Marcela Tezze, Andrea Torres, Alberto Tuffano, Jorge Vigano, Jose Viotti, Jorge Willams, Ruth Article 34523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two behaviors Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:33:15 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.25.85.b7 X-Server-Date: 27 May 2003 13:27:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34523 I bought 2 NUCS in late April that are doing great. But I have two questions/observations. In the past week they have started taking a quart of sugar water every 1 1/2 days, which is a major increase from the quart a week they were eating. Why? I see no signs of robbing. On one hive, bees are always congregated around the front of the hive. They are not overcrowded and it is not that hot were I live yet. Suggestions? Thanks Article 34524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pete B" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: One Weak Hive Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:28:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34524 Hi Al Thanks for the info. All looks ok inside...the pattern is fairly even and lots of bees. The other hive is just a lot bigger. The other bees eat their syrup, too....the weak hive is starting to eat some. Maybe they will catch up ? Thanks again, Pete "Pete B" wrote in message news:vco9tofv2tlv83@corp.supernews.com... > Hi > I have 2 new hives in South Louisiana. since April 8. (packages) > One hive is really building up and eating lots of syrup. The other one is > much slower. Think it's a good idea to swap a frame of brood from the strong > one to the poor one ? (or maybe 2 ?) > Thanks > Pete - new beekeeper > > Article 34525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mineral Oil Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <2sMAa.74422$ro6.2160770@news2.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:34:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1054053246 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 27 May 2003 10:34:06 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:34:06 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34525 Hi, I had a big problem with varroa and found some great info on this site.. http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln "samuel garrett" wrote in message news:BAF7EAEC.F352%sgarret131@comcast.net... > I've read alot about the use of mineral oil to control varroa and I'm going > to give it a try. Has anyone any info on the effects of M.O. on small hive > beetles? I am not a migratory beekeeper but I do move them to areas where > there are. Most are infected with SHB. So I know it is only a matter of time > till I get them too. Any comments appreciated, except flip ones of course. > Article 34526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jmar54@aol.comnospam (JMar54) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 May 2003 19:16:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: One Weak Hive Message-ID: <20030527151641.20456.00000446@mb-m01.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!205.188.226.98!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34526 Hi Pete. I live in Houston so we have similar climates. I hived my first bees, 2 packages on March 29. I had one hive get robbed pretty bad before I could get it stopped and it is lagging the other one. Its starting to catch up now so I think things are OK. Feel free to email if you want to compare notes. Jim Article 34527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Excessive Rain X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ED3E3DB.7A367ACF@yahoo.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Dew of the Plains Apiaries X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:16:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34527 Group, Here in South Central Kansas we have had more than our share of rain this season. Haven't had as much as a week pass without getting several days of rainy weather over the last couple months. No black locust bloom this year. The hives have maybe one super of nectar in them at most. Most only a few wet frames. All my hives are swarming this year. Of ten hive I've had 8 swarm already. One of these is a package colony I installed only April 7. Left a full box of undrawn foundation and swarmed. Now I haven't requeened any colonies, but I have been reversing boxes religiously since St. Patties day and I'm used to 3 or 4 of my hives swarming - but this year almost every single one of them have swarmed. What's going on here? Does excessive rainy weather make bees more likely to swarm? Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 34528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mineral Oil Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 01:40:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3ed41343.889785155@news1.radix.net> References: <2sMAa.74422$ro6.2160770@news2.calgary.shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip167.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34528 Yep, once the hives die from that stuff the varroa is gone too! Dumping gas in the hives is cheaper. beekeep On Tue, 27 May 2003 16:34:06 GMT, "Beeguy" wrote: >Hi, >I had a big problem with varroa and found some great info on this site.. >http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln > > > >"samuel garrett" wrote in message >news:BAF7EAEC.F352%sgarret131@comcast.net... >> I've read alot about the use of mineral oil to control varroa and I'm >going >> to give it a try. Has anyone any info on the effects of M.O. on small hive >> beetles? I am not a migratory beekeeper but I do move them to areas where >> there are. Most are infected with SHB. So I know it is only a matter of >time >> till I get them too. Any comments appreciated, except flip ones of course. >> > > Article 34529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Excessive Rain Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:17:16 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3ED3E3DB.7A367ACF@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.90.50 X-Server-Date: 28 May 2003 02:17:12 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34529 In article <3ED3E3DB.7A367ACF@yahoo.com>, Billy Smart wrote: > Group, > > Here in South Central Kansas we have had more than our share of rain > this season. Haven't had as much as a week pass without getting several > days of rainy weather over the last couple months. No black locust bloom > this year. The hives have maybe one super of nectar in them at most. > Most only a few wet frames. All my hives are swarming this year. Of ten > hive I've had 8 swarm already. One of these is a package colony I > installed only April 7. Left a full box of undrawn foundation and > swarmed. Now I haven't requeened any colonies, but I have been reversing > boxes religiously since St. Patties day and I'm used to 3 or 4 of my > hives swarming - but this year almost every single one of them have > swarmed. What's going on here? Does excessive rainy weather make bees > more likely to swarm? > Here in Central Virginia we've been deluged all spring, in contrast with last year, which was dry dry dry. On balance, I would take the rain, here at least. My hive is much more healthy and active than last year. Sorry things are so difficult for you this year. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Excessive Rain Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:18:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3ed48cd1.920903861@news1.radix.net> References: <3ED3E3DB.7A367ACF@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34530 On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:17:16 -0400, "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" wrote: >In article <3ED3E3DB.7A367ACF@yahoo.com>, > Billy Smart wrote: > >> Group, >> >> Here in South Central Kansas we have had more than our share of rain >> this season. Haven't had as much as a week pass without getting several >> days of rainy weather over the last couple months. No black locust bloom >> this year. The hives have maybe one super of nectar in them at most. >> Most only a few wet frames. All my hives are swarming this year. Of ten >> hive I've had 8 swarm already. One of these is a package colony I >> installed only April 7. Left a full box of undrawn foundation and >> swarmed. Now I haven't requeened any colonies, but I have been reversing >> boxes religiously since St. Patties day and I'm used to 3 or 4 of my >> hives swarming - but this year almost every single one of them have >> swarmed. What's going on here? Does excessive rainy weather make bees >> more likely to swarm? >> > >Here in Central Virginia we've been deluged all spring, in contrast with >last year, which was dry dry dry. > >On balance, I would take the rain, here at least. My hive is much more >healthy and active than last year. > >Sorry things are so difficult for you this year. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Same here in southern Maryland. They are getting out in spite of all the rain. beekeep Article 34531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:52:57 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 35 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1054126241 27654 144.32.85.141 (28 May 2003 12:50:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2003 12:50:41 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!feeder.news.heanet.ie!server5.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34531 Hi all, I've got a hive that has turned really, really nasty. You've just got to go anywhere near it to find bees pinging off the veil, and if I try to open it up then I'm just covered in the angry bees that follow me and don't seem to go away ever. I figured that I could unite them with a swarm (from a docile hive) that I collected at the weekend.... Some problems though: 1) I really cannot find the queen in the vicious hive, so how could I combine the other hive? 2). Would the vicious hive be more likely to kill off the docile queen from the smaller colony? One suggestion made to me was to put the brood boxes of the nasty hive on top of the docile one with a crown board between them. Leaving an opening at the top would mean that the flying bees would go and join the docile colony below. Making life a little easier to find the queen in the vicious hive. I could then destroy her and replace the crown board with newspaper to unite them. Any theories to rid myself of this thoughouhly unpleasent hive would be welcomed. I want rid as some of my hives have swarmed and are therefore raising new queens. I really don't want them breeding with the drones from this colony. Thanks, Paul. Article 34532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Lines: 90 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1054133298 24.62.89.183 (Wed, 28 May 2003 14:48:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:48:18 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:48:18 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34532 Hi Paul, I've been keeping bees only 3 or 4 years, so others may have better advice... "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:bb2bb1$r06$1@pump1.york.ac.uk... > Hi all, > > I've got a hive that has turned really, really nasty. You've just got to > go anywhere near it to find bees pinging off the veil, and if I try to > open it up then I'm just covered in the angry bees that follow me and > don't seem to go away ever. I've had these too... > I figured that I could unite them with a swarm (from a docile hive) that > I collected at the weekend.... > > Some problems though: > > 1) I really cannot find the queen in the vicious hive, so how could I > combine the other hive? You can't. I tried this tack. The nasty ones killed the docile queen and then I just had a nastier, larger colony. > 2). Would the vicious hive be more likely to kill off the docile queen > from the smaller colony? In my experience, yes. > One suggestion made to me was to put the brood boxes of the nasty hive > on top of the docile one with a crown board between them. Leaving an > opening at the top would mean that the flying bees would go and join the > docile colony below. Making life a little easier to find the queen in > the vicious hive. I could then destroy her and replace the crown board > with newspaper to unite them. Or, you may end up with a load of dead bees from the fighting. I wouldn't chance it. > Any theories to rid myself of this thoughouhly unpleasent hive would be > welcomed. I want rid as some of my hives have swarmed and are therefore > raising new queens. I really don't want them breeding with the drones > from this colony. I think you're going to have to requeen the nasty folks. To make it easier to find the queen, remove one brood box at a time and carry it a few feet (or more) away; close the rest of the colony up. Bring an empty deep box (no frames) with you. Pull each frame from the nasty box, check it, put it in the empty box. This keeps the queen from scurrying over to a frame you just checked. If not in the first box, remove the other one too.... go to another location and search that one. If not found, go back and search them both again. If you find no eggs or young larvae, the colony may be queenless - that would also explain some of the nastiness. In this case, remove any queen cells you find, and stack the nasties on top of the new swarm you collected, but put a screen between them - you want them to see/smell each other but not be able to attack. Leave an opening in the top of the stack and leave them alone for a few days. Then slide the screen a bit (expose a small corner) for another day, then open it up. General queen location notes... look very hard on frames that have eggs in them; she's likely to be close by eggs, and very unlikely to be on honey-only frames. Look in a up-down, left-right pattern (or any other pattern you like... just don't search randomly). Search one side, roll the frame bottom toward you checking the bottom bar, and then the other side. If you do find the queen in the nasty colony, pick her up by the wings, walk over to the front of the nasty hive, and mush her against the front of the box and drop the carcass on the entrance. Put everything back together. Wait a day then introduce a new queen. Don't drive a nail through the candy plug to help them. I've also used this additional technique for queen introduction... have a spray bottle with sugar syrup and Honey Bee Healthy... when opening the hive to introduce the new queen cage, pull the box, spray the bees with the syrup/HBH, spray the queen cage with it, then put in the cage. Spray them all some more for good measure. Put the boxes back together. Leave them for a week. Good luck, -Steve Article 34533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ED4D9FF.3B80FAAB@yahoo.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Dew of the Plains Apiaries X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:47:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp4.savvis.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34533 To make it easier to find the queen, place a queen excluder between the brood boxes and leave it a week. In the meantime order a new queen. When you get back to the hive look which box has young larvae - that will ID the box that has the queen. Then carry that box away from the hive so all the foragers will fly back to the parent hive location. This will give you only one box to look through and the house bees that are left in the box more docile that the foragers. Once you find her smash her and place the queen cage with the new in in the box before you return it to it's original location. Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 34534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: n1aep@yahoo.com (biodlare) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two behaviors Date: 28 May 2003 09:40:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <28b083bc.0305280840.1520a8f4@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.67.6.24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054140017 20008 127.0.0.1 (28 May 2003 16:40:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2003 16:40:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34534 A quart of syrup every 1 1/2 to 2 days is not excessive, as they are rearing much more brood now, drawing comb, and the population is growing. You can expect this increase in food consumption. The congregating-out-front could just be due to their need for ventilation inside. I have two colonies in 15 (started from packages a month ago) that I have noticed doing the same thing. You might open up the entrance a bit more. Article 34535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ross Traverse" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 20 year old equiment Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:11:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ed4f768$0$5475$9bdb89d3@newsa> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.65.163.134 X-Trace: 1054144361 newsa 5475 216.65.163.134:1070 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!triton.net!news-out.triton.net!news.triton.net!127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!news.triton.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34535 Hey yall, I'm thinking of starting beekeeping, and i have a Uncle that has 20 year old equipment (he is giving me some). How do I know that it isn't diseased? Also how do you sterilize it? Any comments would be appreciated, Joshua Article 34536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 20 year old equiment Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:15:24 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3ed4f768$0$5475$9bdb89d3@newsa> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.90.50 X-Server-Date: 28 May 2003 22:15:18 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34536 In article <3ed4f768$0$5475$9bdb89d3@newsa>, "Ross Traverse" wrote: > Hey yall, > > I'm thinking of starting beekeeping, and i have a Uncle that has 20 year old > equipment (he is giving me some). How do I know that it isn't diseased? > Also how do you sterilize it? > Just my opinion, but if it's that old, I would strongly suspect there's nothing to worry about. Take a good hard smell of it. If there's no foul smell, typical of foulbrood, I'd wash it out with lightly soapy water, let it dry, paint it, and put in a colony late next winter. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:09:12 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3ed54086.966892787@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip179.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34537 On Wed, 28 May 2003 13:52:57 +0100, Paul Waites wrote: >Hi all, > >I've got a hive that has turned really, really nasty. You've just got to >go anywhere near it to find bees pinging off the veil, and if I try to >open it up then I'm just covered in the angry bees that follow me and >don't seem to go away ever. > >I figured that I could unite them with a swarm (from a docile hive) that >I collected at the weekend.... > >Some problems though: > >1) I really cannot find the queen in the vicious hive, so how could I >combine the other hive? > >2). Would the vicious hive be more likely to kill off the docile queen >from the smaller colony? > > >One suggestion made to me was to put the brood boxes of the nasty hive >on top of the docile one with a crown board between them. Leaving an >opening at the top would mean that the flying bees would go and join the >docile colony below. Making life a little easier to find the queen in >the vicious hive. I could then destroy her and replace the crown board >with newspaper to unite them. > >Any theories to rid myself of this thoughouhly unpleasent hive would be >welcomed. I want rid as some of my hives have swarmed and are therefore >raising new queens. I really don't want them breeding with the drones >from this colony. > >Thanks, > >Paul. > You will have better luck requeening. Murphy's Law applies here. The meaner the bees the harder the queen is to find. My advice is to suit up and tear the hive apart, placing a top on each hive body. Put an empty hive body where the old hive was for the foragers to return to. Give the hive bodies a couple of hours and them open each one and look for the one that doesn't make a roaring queenless noise. Search that one for the queen. beekeep Article 34538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:47:40 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:47:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.180 X-Trace: sv3-biht0UbuHiPj6QkMoQmzG5FOUzhXDFlvNh2zmfdHOBN5YzAZPFwgTZqxWFwnLrmv6wM5u6ll6Z1yN3m!m1TQ7OinsuoMjLRuHD+TnTNtrObyOkuL5jZl65rK0TK+1ggXtwa8kUMUzNdT8fOwBLQ04dU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34538 There are three ways to find a hard-to-find queen. First method: Put a queen excluder above each brood box. Wait 10 days. The one with no open brood has the queen. You still have to find her, but it's down to one box. Second: Put a piece of plywood on the ground about 10 feet in front of the hive. Take each frame from the brood chambers and shake them out on the plywood. When finished shaking, take the boxes and bottom board and shake them out too. Put everything back together and watch the bees "march" back to the hive. You should be able to see the queen pretty easily. Third: This is a combination of the first and second method. Take the brood box that has the queen (using the first method) and shake out the frames and box on the plywood as in the second method. The queen should be VERY easy to find. P.S. If I had to guess, I'd say the reason the colony is so aggressive, is because it's queenless. Especially if you have others that aren't aggressive. You might save yourself a lot of time and just look for eggs and young larvae. Good Luck (West Texas) Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Article 34539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:49:56 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:51:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.180 X-Trace: sv3-10xFAYdoR2SuXHeb00kfT3UQeP8CO5pDgN3/GhlJkj/2dqLG3jhMNPtFPWKsJqtIh8JNKh+qMSOPEuq!RpS0izpjPwCdufDTePT7xovatOJhzXb/NxAyOJVXRa00uu6e3kpctCadFEo5IuOnl8P3CL8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34539 Ooops, in the first method, I should have said the box with OPEN BROOD has the queen. Sorry about that. (West Texas) Mark "me" wrote in message news:xgydnVvx5ZExxUijRTvU3Q@crcom.net... There are three ways to find a hard-to-find queen. First method: Put a queen excluder above each brood box. Wait 10 days. The one with no open brood has the queen. You still have to find her, but it's down to one box. Second: Put a piece of plywood on the ground about 10 feet in front of the hive. Take each frame from the brood chambers and shake them out on the plywood. When finished shaking, take the boxes and bottom board and shake them out too. Put everything back together and watch the bees "march" back to the hive. You should be able to see the queen pretty easily. Third: This is a combination of the first and second method. Take the brood box that has the queen (using the first method) and shake out the frames and box on the plywood as in the second method. The queen should be VERY easy to find. P.S. If I had to guess, I'd say the reason the colony is so aggressive, is because it's queenless. Especially if you have others that aren't aggressive. You might save yourself a lot of time and just look for eggs and young larvae. Good Luck (West Texas) Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Article 34540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: emami202002@yahoo.com (farid) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need help my colonies have disease Date: 29 May 2003 02:34:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5542a326.0305290134.4f00ab6f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.219.151.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054200848 364 127.0.0.1 (29 May 2003 09:34:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2003 09:34:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34540 Hi i am a beeker and i have a problem in 10 colonies of my 200 colonies. in the morningin that 10 colonies i see young worker honeybees are pulled out by other older worker honeybees when i fucosed on pulled out honeybees in front of hives i saw that all of thier proboscis are out i mean thier proboscis is observable and they didn't have ability to pull them into thier mouth. i saw that these ill bees are crawling on the ground in front of hives. in the other hand near the noon pulling out of bees are decreased. some of bees have deformed wings. i applied apistan stripd in my colonies and i don't see any varroa in them. thanks j.em Article 34541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:39:15 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5542a326.0305290134.4f00ab6f@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: need help my colonies have disease Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:39:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.184 X-Trace: sv3-bjL4xSbF/DwlGQCxyTHavwLqsNyiQdlSCI1viqIxpeWnoSgoS2/wQxSgShOUwS8LTAwx4DDiUIQcL4o!0Agm3A2v0illVRm3Dql+479MVV3m26CWq2JG2OJzLsrCzhiS31Y1Br8tzakWj2oTatpQFpQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34541 Not sure what it is, but start at this web site. It has good photos too. http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pest&disease/pppdIndex.html Scroll down the page to section #5 for bee diseases. Please let us know what you find out. (West Texas) Mark Hi i am a beeker and i have a problem in 10 colonies of my 200 colonies. in the morningin that 10 colonies i see young worker honeybees are pulled out by other older worker honeybees when i fucosed on pulled out honeybees in front of hives i saw that all of thier proboscis are out i mean thier proboscis is observable and they didn't have ability to pull them into thier mouth. i saw that these ill bees are crawling on the ground in front of hives. in the other hand near the noon pulling out of bees are decreased. some of bees have deformed wings. i applied apistan stripd in my colonies and i don't see any varroa in them. thanks j.em Article 34542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:31:30 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 13 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1054225749 3088 144.32.85.141 (29 May 2003 16:29:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2003 16:29:09 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34542 Thanks everybody, It is quite hot, sticky & humid here in York U.K, so I'm going to have a great weekend suited up, sweating and fighting my way through the nastiest hive I've ever met..... Last week bees from the hive followed me right through the wood where I keep my bees and back to my car... One got me in the neck as I opened up my suit.... That was when I decided that they've got to go! Cheers, Paul. Article 34543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: 29 May 2003 13:05:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0305291205.1159dbe4@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.160.143.44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054238740 31836 127.0.0.1 (29 May 2003 20:05:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2003 20:05:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34543 Paul Waites wrote in message news:... > Hi all, > > I've got a hive that has turned really, really nasty. You've just got to > go anywhere near it to find bees pinging off the veil, and if I try to > open it up then I'm just covered in the angry bees that follow me and > don't seem to go away ever. Here's how I handled this once. It's not the cheapest solution, but I feel the easiest in that it only involves one quick tear-down of the hive, and you don't have to find the queen. I first bought 3 queens. I took the queens to the nasty hive along with some extra boxes, bottoms, tops and frames. I smoked the bees, then went through the colony moving frames into my empty boxes. I ended up with 3 single box colonies, each with about 6 frames of bees and a few empty frames. I then put a new queen in each colony. I left the smallest of these at the original location to obsorb the field bees, and moved the others to another location. I figured the worst I'd wind up with would be a small nasty hive and two more docile hives. It would then be easier to deal with the nasty one. When I checked a couple weeks later, they were all docile. I can't be sure of what happened, but I was happy. Nuc. Article 34545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:38:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3ed67dc7.1048076171@news1.radix.net> References: <9936fa52.0305291205.1159dbe4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34545 On 29 May 2003 13:05:39 -0700, nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) wrote: >Paul Waites wrote in message news:... >> Hi all, >> >> I've got a hive that has turned really, really nasty. You've just got to >> go anywhere near it to find bees pinging off the veil, and if I try to >> open it up then I'm just covered in the angry bees that follow me and >> don't seem to go away ever. > >Here's how I handled this once. It's not the cheapest solution, but I >feel the easiest in that it only involves one quick tear-down of the >hive, and you don't have to find the queen. > >I first bought 3 queens. I took the queens to the nasty hive along >with some extra boxes, bottoms, tops and frames. I smoked the bees, >then went through the colony moving frames into my empty boxes. I >ended up with 3 single box colonies, each with about 6 frames of bees >and a few empty frames. I then put a new queen in each colony. I >left the smallest of these at the original location to obsorb the >field bees, and moved the others to another location. I figured the >worst I'd wind up with would be a small nasty hive and two more docile >hives. It would then be easier to deal with the nasty one. When I >checked a couple weeks later, they were all docile. I can't be sure >of what happened, but I was happy. > >Nuc. Sometimes they get nasty because they are queenless. beekeep Article 34546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:40:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34546 On Thu, 29 May 2003 17:31:30 +0100, Paul Waites wrote: >Thanks everybody, > >It is quite hot, sticky & humid here in York U.K, so I'm going to have a >great weekend suited up, sweating and fighting my way through the >nastiest hive I've ever met..... Last week bees from the hive followed >me right through the wood where I keep my bees and back to my car... One >got me in the neck as I opened up my suit.... That was when I decided >that they've got to go! > >Cheers, > >Paul. > Tobacco in the smoker may help calm them down also. I have also heard of added a spoon of amonia nitate fertilizer to the smooker to knock them silly. I have not tried it. beekeep Article 34547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:40:47 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.202.112 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054248082 19754 217.135.202.112 (29 May 2003 22:41:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2003 22:41:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34547 >"amonia" "nitate" fertilizer to the "smooker" to knock >them silly. I have not tried it. Are you sure? Article 34548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help my colonies have disease Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:21:15 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <5542a326.0305290134.4f00ab6f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.25.85.b7 X-Server-Date: 29 May 2003 23:16:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34548 Another good bee disease site. http://www.kohala.net/bees/diseasechart.html Article 34549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame, hive assembly (newbie) Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:46:40 EDT Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:54:27 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!64.154.60.99.MISMATCH!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe05.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34549 Yes, A couple drops of glue for each joint is highly desirable. Charles H. in NC On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:45:14 -0400, "AMG" wrote: >As a former woodworker/cabinetmaker I'm reluctant to just nail together my >new frames and hive/super bodies. Is there any reason NOT to use an >adhesive along with nails? I was thinking of using a bit of epoxy for the >exterior joints and Titebond for the frames. Naturally, I would be very >careful to keep drips etc controlled, so that the bees would not come in >contact with dried glues etc. > >Advice? > >a > > Article 34550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 56 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054256265 209.204.149.224 (Thu, 29 May 2003 17:57:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:57:45 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34550 In article , "Peter Edwards" wrote: > >"amonia" "nitate" fertilizer to the "smooker" to knock > >them silly. I have not tried it. > > Are you sure? > > Dunno as it would be a wise idea, personally... I've got just enough "Bomb Science" chemistry to know that Ammonium Nitrate is an oxidizer, and would therefore accelerate combustion. Think Timothy McVeigh's fuel-oil and Ammonium Nitrate bomb that took out the chunk of the federal building - A mixture referred to by the acronym "ANFO" by the military. A dose of AN with your combustibles (whatever they might be) in the smoker sounds to me like a potential case of needing to find a talking head to read the headline "And earlier today, the decapitated remains of a local beekeeper were found near his hives. Preliminary investigation appears to indicate that his smoker exploded, sending a chunk of shrapnel through his neck and killing him instantly" on the 6 0'clock news... Of course, anything that drastic would probably require an extreme "overdose" of AN, but you get the idea... At the very least, I'd expect the smoker fuel to burn hotter (perhaps *MUCH* hotter, depending on the exact amount), and therefore cleaner (meaning less smoke output) which would only serve to make it less effective, and more difficult to use properly. Nevermind how much quicker whatever it is that you're stuffing into your smoker would turn into ash. Then there's the other drawback: Handling AN (or just about any of the other nitrates) without a "space suit" is almost guaranteed to leave you flat on your back in a dark, quiet room for several hours due to the vasodialation it will cause in your brain making your head feel like somebody's trying to get out using a 10 pound splitting maul... The stuff, while not ultra-toxic until you hit relatively high doses, is famous (or perhaps "infamous" is the better wording) for causing screaming-godawful-oh-jeezus-please-let-me-die-so-the-pain-stops headaches just from seemingly minor skin contact and/or dust inhalation. Take that as first-hand experience from a farmer's son... A farmer who expected his son to help dump the AN bags into the spreader when it was time to fertilize the cornfield... And later came back to the house to find said son lying in that quiet, dark room mentioned earlier, hoping that the headache would at least let up enough to keep his skull from exploding into a million little jagged, razor-edged pieces... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:11:49 EDT Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:19:36 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe05.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34551 You've got the solution already. The best,and probably only way to change temperment of a mean hive is to change upper management, i.e. the queen. On Wed, 28 May 2003 13:52:57 +0100, Paul Waites wrote: >Hi all, > >I've got a hive that has turned really, really nasty. You've just got to >go anywhere near it to find bees pinging off the veil, and if I try to >open it up then I'm just covered in the angry bees that follow me and >don't seem to go away ever. > >I figured that I could unite them with a swarm (from a docile hive) that >I collected at the weekend.... > >Some problems though: > >1) I really cannot find the queen in the vicious hive, so how could I >combine the other hive? > >2). Would the vicious hive be more likely to kill off the docile queen >from the smaller colony? > > >One suggestion made to me was to put the brood boxes of the nasty hive >on top of the docile one with a crown board between them. Leaving an >opening at the top would mean that the flying bees would go and join the >docile colony below. Making life a little easier to find the queen in >the vicious hive. I could then destroy her and replace the crown board >with newspaper to unite them. > >Any theories to rid myself of this thoughouhly unpleasent hive would be >welcomed. I want rid as some of my hives have swarmed and are therefore >raising new queens. I really don't want them breeding with the drones >from this colony. > >Thanks, > >Paul. Article 34552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Robbing Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:35:46 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.25.85.b7 X-Server-Date: 30 May 2003 01:29:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34552 I have noticed sugar water usage on one of my hives go from a quart every 4-5 days to a quart a day starting about a week ago. Closer inspection has shown 100 to 1000s of bees circling around the front of the hive during daytime foraging hours. I used an entrance reducers with the larger "setting", but the hive still appears to be getting robbed very heavily. I have now turned the entrance reducer to the smaller setting in hopes to deter the robbing behavior. The hive being robbed seems pretty strong. I assume the very small hole will help the hive fend of the robbers, but I am concerned it will not be enough of an opening to allow the bees out to forage in a timely manner, and also have circulation/cooling concerns with such a small opening. The daytime temps in my area have been reaching about 75. I have also made the decision to change from an entrance feeder to an internal frame feeder on all my hives. The hive is definitely not over crowded. I would appreciate any guidance/advice on how to stop the robbers. Article 34553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:38:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 74 Message-ID: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> References: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!4.24.21.153!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34553 On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:45 GMT, Don Bruder wrote: >In article , > "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >> >"amonia" "nitate" fertilizer to the "smooker" to knock >> >them silly. I have not tried it. >> >> Are you sure? >> >> > >Dunno as it would be a wise idea, personally... I've got just enough >"Bomb Science" chemistry to know that Ammonium Nitrate is an oxidizer, >and would therefore accelerate combustion. Think Timothy McVeigh's >fuel-oil and Ammonium Nitrate bomb that took out the chunk of the >federal building - A mixture referred to by the acronym "ANFO" by the >military. > >A dose of AN with your combustibles (whatever they might be) in the >smoker sounds to me like a potential case of needing to find a talking >head to read the headline "And earlier today, the decapitated remains of >a local beekeeper were found near his hives. Preliminary investigation >appears to indicate that his smoker exploded, sending a chunk of >shrapnel through his neck and killing him instantly" on the 6 0'clock >news... > >Of course, anything that drastic would probably require an extreme >"overdose" of AN, but you get the idea... At the very least, I'd expect >the smoker fuel to burn hotter (perhaps *MUCH* hotter, depending on the >exact amount), and therefore cleaner (meaning less smoke output) which >would only serve to make it less effective, and more difficult to use >properly. Nevermind how much quicker whatever it is that you're stuffing >into your smoker would turn into ash. > >Then there's the other drawback: Handling AN (or just about any of the >other nitrates) without a "space suit" is almost guaranteed to leave you >flat on your back in a dark, quiet room for several hours due to the >vasodialation it will cause in your brain making your head feel like >somebody's trying to get out using a 10 pound splitting maul... The >stuff, while not ultra-toxic until you hit relatively high doses, is >famous (or perhaps "infamous" is the better wording) for causing >screaming-godawful-oh-jeezus-please-let-me-die-so-the-pain-stops >headaches just from seemingly minor skin contact and/or dust inhalation. > >Take that as first-hand experience from a farmer's son... A farmer who >expected his son to help dump the AN bags into the spreader when it was >time to fertilize the cornfield... And later came back to the house to >find said son lying in that quiet, dark room mentioned earlier, hoping >that the headache would at least let up enough to keep his skull from >exploding into a million little jagged, razor-edged pieces... > >-- >Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated >Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. >I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart >Fly trap info pages: For ammonium nitrate to become an explosive it has to be mixed with an oxidizer such as fuel oil. A large quantity, 50 pounds or better, is also needed along with a detonator such as prim-a-cord. A spoonful in a smoker produces nitrous oxcide, laughing gas, which knocks the bees silly. From what I have heard they are totally unable to defend themselves from robbers etc. for several hours. I didn't say it was safe. Reference to the subject can be found in "ABC & XYZ of Bee Culture" under the heading of Smoking Honeybee Colonies. I know that I have read about it elsewhere as well. beekeep Article 34554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:10:42 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:11:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.6 X-Trace: sv3-kmyF8+BN1FQoLFEwiZy/hiD5z91kjIuwBPRmyLG1WuCyIZyCvhRxmCOWDoFEuSD9qPvX9i3TrLHvo9x!RDDMYIf2V3+S9vneq/Zbu+0MM2a2J5MPPJ1x6J8sxX2ery4yOTrdEDGxnV15tro1yq1z X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!crtntx1-snf1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34554 Just one more thought about dealing with extremely aggressive bees. You can work at night. Use a red filter over the light source. Just be sure to tape up around your ankles and wrists. Bees do take a couple of hours to settle down for the night, so you might want to wait until 10 p.m. or come in early in the morning. (West Texas) Mark Article 34555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:23:41 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:24:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <0uudnQYDgO3T0EqjXTWcpw@crcom.net> Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.6 X-Trace: sv3-0hfM+97UqUQWKI3moB+WNUJeHIJ3D5l2Z/srrucG3TIpU2Kryx5bEppwHi/8L9Y/CxMlQ02qzImHy9e!4NCR8txrJTMTXGPNVW/KfJnU2qe7tbZM6kiP4EPDczLCuusDc7CjfxVq2U9xuQzFKI73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34555 Sounds like you're on the right track. An inverted gallon jug over the hole in the inner cover works well. Put a hive box or boxes around the jug and a cover. You can put some small washers under the corners of your inner cover for ventilation. Just one per corner should do. But 75 F. isn't very hot. The normal internal temperature for the brood chamber is 94 F. Ventilation is a good idea though. Don't worry about the small entrance letting the bees in and out. They will manage. After the population increases, you can open it up again. (West Texas) Mark I have noticed sugar water usage on one of my hives go from a quart every 4-5 days to a quart a day starting about a week ago. Closer inspection has shown 100 to 1000s of bees circling around the front of the hive during daytime foraging hours. I used an entrance reducers with the larger "setting", but the hive still appears to be getting robbed very heavily. I have now turned the entrance reducer to the smaller setting in hopes to deter the robbing behavior. The hive being robbed seems pretty strong. I assume the very small hole will help the hive fend of the robbers, but I am concerned it will not be enough of an opening to allow the bees out to forage in a timely manner, and also have circulation/cooling concerns with such a small opening. The daytime temps in my area have been reaching about 75. I have also made the decision to change from an entrance feeder to an internal frame feeder on all my hives. The hive is definitely not over crowded. I would appreciate any guidance/advice on how to stop the robbers. Article 34556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:37:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ed75088.1102017702@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34556 On Fri, 30 May 2003 07:11:20 -0500, "me" wrote: >Just one more thought about dealing with extremely aggressive bees. You can >work at night. Use a red filter over the light source. Just be sure to >tape up around your ankles and wrists. Bees do take a couple of hours to >settle down for the night, so you might want to wait until 10 p.m. or come >in early in the morning. > >(West Texas) Mark > What makes you think a bee can't see in the dark? beekeep Article 34557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:38:58 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 17 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: References: <9936fa52.0305291205.1159dbe4@posting.google.com> <3ed67dc7.1048076171@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1054298366 18421 144.32.85.141 (30 May 2003 12:39:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 2003 12:39:26 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!server3.netnews.ja.net!south.jnrs.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34557 > > > Sometimes they get nasty because they are queenless. > > beekeep > > Very true.... But this time there was eggs and young larvae in the area that I looked at before giving-up and closing them up again. Ta, Paul. Article 34558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 74 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:11:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054303886 209.204.149.209 (Fri, 30 May 2003 07:11:26 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:11:26 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!sjc72.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34558 In article <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:45 GMT, Don Bruder wrote: > > >In article , > > "Peter Edwards" > > wrote: > > > >> >"amonia" "nitate" fertilizer to the "smooker" to knock > >> >them silly. I have not tried it. > >> > >> Are you sure? > >> > >> > > > >Dunno as it would be a wise idea, personally... I've got just enough > >"Bomb Science" chemistry to know that Ammonium Nitrate is an oxidizer, > >and would therefore accelerate combustion. Think Timothy McVeigh's > >fuel-oil and Ammonium Nitrate bomb that took out the chunk of the > >federal building - A mixture referred to by the acronym "ANFO" by the > >military. > > > >A dose of AN with your combustibles (whatever they might be) in the > >smoker sounds to me like a potential case of needing to find a talking > >head to read the headline "And earlier today, the decapitated remains of > >a local beekeeper were found near his hives. Preliminary investigation > >appears to indicate that his smoker exploded, sending a chunk of > >shrapnel through his neck and killing him instantly" on the 6 0'clock > >news... > > > >Of course, anything that drastic would probably require an extreme > >"overdose" of AN, but you get the idea... At the very least, I'd expect > >the smoker fuel to burn hotter (perhaps *MUCH* hotter, depending on the > >exact amount), and therefore cleaner (meaning less smoke output) which > For ammonium nitrate to become an explosive it has to be mixed with an > oxidizer such as fuel oil. Ummm... AN *IS* the oxidizer. Fuel oil is, as the name implies, the fuel that's going to be oxidized. Your basic "Fuel-air" bomb, on steroids. > A large quantity, 50 pounds or better, is > also needed along with a detonator such as prim-a-cord. Hmmm... Was't aware that ANFO is a shock-detonated mix. Not saying it isn't, just that I wasn't aware that it is. > A spoonful in a smoker produces nitrous oxcide, laughing gas, which > knocks the bees silly. This is one I'd need to see some pretty heavy-duty science on before I believe it, for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that producing NOx usually requires rather high (much higher than I'd expect could be found in a smoker, even with the accellerant properties of the AN) temperatures. > From what I have heard they are totally unable > to defend themselves from robbers etc. for several hours. That wouldn't be such a great thing to be having, then, I'd say... > I didn't say it was safe. Reference to the subject can be found in > "ABC & XYZ of Bee Culture" under the heading of Smoking Honeybee > Colonies. I know that I have read about it elsewhere as well. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:18:48 +0200 Lines: 101 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.200.254.116 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.200.254.116 Message-ID: <3ed76747_2@news.cybercity.ch> X-Trace: news.cybercity.ch 1054304071 213.200.254.116 (30 May 2003 16:14:31 +0200) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!nntp.gblx.net!news.cybercity.ch Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34559 I've used it. Had a VERY vicious colony, never seen anything like it. A fellow beekeeper got some of the powder, put a bit in the smoker and gave them a few puffs. We were able to work normaly and finish the job. A few hours later evrything was back to usual. No headaches, but over 50 stings from before the powder was brought. -- Best regards... visit our website => www.broennimann.com mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama 1204 Genève Switzerland tél portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "beekeep" a écrit dans le message de news: 3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net... > On Fri, 30 May 2003 00:57:45 GMT, Don Bruder wrote: > > >In article , > > "Peter Edwards" > > wrote: > > > >> >"amonia" "nitate" fertilizer to the "smooker" to knock > >> >them silly. I have not tried it. > >> > >> Are you sure? > >> > >> > > > >Dunno as it would be a wise idea, personally... I've got just enough > >"Bomb Science" chemistry to know that Ammonium Nitrate is an oxidizer, > >and would therefore accelerate combustion. Think Timothy McVeigh's > >fuel-oil and Ammonium Nitrate bomb that took out the chunk of the > >federal building - A mixture referred to by the acronym "ANFO" by the > >military. > > > >A dose of AN with your combustibles (whatever they might be) in the > >smoker sounds to me like a potential case of needing to find a talking > >head to read the headline "And earlier today, the decapitated remains of > >a local beekeeper were found near his hives. Preliminary investigation > >appears to indicate that his smoker exploded, sending a chunk of > >shrapnel through his neck and killing him instantly" on the 6 0'clock > >news... > > > >Of course, anything that drastic would probably require an extreme > >"overdose" of AN, but you get the idea... At the very least, I'd expect > >the smoker fuel to burn hotter (perhaps *MUCH* hotter, depending on the > >exact amount), and therefore cleaner (meaning less smoke output) which > >would only serve to make it less effective, and more difficult to use > >properly. Nevermind how much quicker whatever it is that you're stuffing > >into your smoker would turn into ash. > > > >Then there's the other drawback: Handling AN (or just about any of the > >other nitrates) without a "space suit" is almost guaranteed to leave you > >flat on your back in a dark, quiet room for several hours due to the > >vasodialation it will cause in your brain making your head feel like > >somebody's trying to get out using a 10 pound splitting maul... The > >stuff, while not ultra-toxic until you hit relatively high doses, is > >famous (or perhaps "infamous" is the better wording) for causing > >screaming-godawful-oh-jeezus-please-let-me-die-so-the-pain-stops > >headaches just from seemingly minor skin contact and/or dust inhalation. > > > >Take that as first-hand experience from a farmer's son... A farmer who > >expected his son to help dump the AN bags into the spreader when it was > >time to fertilize the cornfield... And later came back to the house to > >find said son lying in that quiet, dark room mentioned earlier, hoping > >that the headache would at least let up enough to keep his skull from > >exploding into a million little jagged, razor-edged pieces... > > > >-- > >Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated > >Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. > >I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > >Fly trap info pages: > > For ammonium nitrate to become an explosive it has to be mixed with an > oxidizer such as fuel oil. A large quantity, 50 pounds or better, is > also needed along with a detonator such as prim-a-cord. > > A spoonful in a smoker produces nitrous oxcide, laughing gas, which > knocks the bees silly. From what I have heard they are totally unable > to defend themselves from robbers etc. for several hours. > > I didn't say it was safe. Reference to the subject can be found in > "ABC & XYZ of Bee Culture" under the heading of Smoking Honeybee > Colonies. I know that I have read about it elsewhere as well. > > beekeep > > Article 34560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:46:27 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ed75088.1102017702@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.201 X-Trace: sv3-Wleza91U0yG7CQHjNrNciucpF8+EAGzpgTI9Qq9tuatUfEUSSjaRZzGZqCZs9G0bXpqffmNXPpxSTXR!jIn98Npi2eDUNoNFE59Llo/hFqQHtTt7TtQrobvFJ33nt9XDjAH73aeXsPUBZA94ymcvKjU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34560 Didn't say they couldn't see in the dark. They just don't fly and don't normally sting unless they get under your pant legs etc.. (West Texas) Mark >Just one more thought about dealing with extremely aggressive bees. You can >work at night. Use a red filter over the light source. Just be sure to >tape up around your ankles and wrists. Bees do take a couple of hours to >settle down for the night, so you might want to wait until 10 p.m. or come >in early in the morning. > >(West Texas) Mark > What makes you think a bee can't see in the dark? beekeep Article 34561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lost little queen Date: 30 May 2003 16:26:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0305301526.152d966d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054337218 11012 127.0.0.1 (30 May 2003 23:26:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 2003 23:26:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34561 Today while tending hives I opened a stack of empty equipment to get some drawn comb to make up a super and walking around under the lid was a queen. Must have gotten lost returning from a mating flight but it is something I never saw before. Anyway she is now part of a nuc I am curious what kind of shape she is in. Seemed young fat and fuzzy. Article 34562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost little queen Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:46:14 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <23e8adb1.0305301526.152d966d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.90.50 X-Server-Date: 31 May 2003 00:47:36 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34562 In article <23e8adb1.0305301526.152d966d@posting.google.com>, bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote: > Today while tending hives I opened a stack of empty equipment to get > some drawn comb to make up a super and walking around under the lid > was a queen. > Must have gotten lost returning from a mating flight but it is > something I never saw before. > Anyway she is now part of a nuc I am curious what kind of shape she is > in. Seemed young fat and fuzzy. INteresting! :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3ED7FC09.7030304@hotmail.com> From: s_bois User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help my colonies have disease References: <5542a326.0305290134.4f00ab6f@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:49:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.201.225.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 1054342157 24.201.225.145 (Fri, 30 May 2003 20:49:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:49:17 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!gumby.it.wmich.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!64.154.60.99.MISMATCH!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34563 To see if you have varroa Farid you must catch like 10 to 25 bee put them in a jar(cover with small hole in it for air) with white sugar powder already in the jar and shake them gently then look in the powder you will see small red dot ... If you have varroa. after leave the bee to calm and rest for a while and release them... else if you have time to read go to : http://www.beekeeping.com/apimondia/ you will find a lot of ressourfull information there and also http://www.beehoo.com/ Hope you will find what you searching for farid wrote: > Hi > i am a beeker and i have a problem in 10 colonies of my 200 colonies. > in the morningin that 10 colonies i see young worker honeybees are > pulled out by other older worker honeybees > when i fucosed on pulled out honeybees in front of hives i saw that > all of thier proboscis are out i mean thier proboscis is observable > and they didn't have ability to pull them into thier mouth. > i saw that these ill bees are crawling on the ground in front of > hives. > in the other hand near the noon pulling out of bees are decreased. > some of bees have deformed wings. > i applied apistan stripd in my colonies and i don't see any varroa in > them. > thanks > j.em Article 34564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 11:38:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ed891f7.1184269818@news1.radix.net> References: <3ed67df0.1048117159@news1.radix.net> <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip171.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34564 On Fri, 30 May 2003 14:11:26 GMT, Don Bruder wrote: >> For ammonium nitrate to become an explosive it has to be mixed with an >> oxidizer such as fuel oil. > >Ummm... >AN *IS* the oxidizer. Fuel oil is, as the name implies, the fuel that's >going to be oxidized. Your basic "Fuel-air" bomb, on steroids. > >> A large quantity, 50 pounds or better, is >> also needed along with a detonator such as prim-a-cord. > >Hmmm... Was't aware that ANFO is a shock-detonated mix. Not saying it >isn't, just that I wasn't aware that it is. > I don't care what the exact terminology is but a 50 pound sack of the stuff mixed with fuel and wrapped in prime-a-cord sure gets a stump out of the ground. IIRC Timothy McVey used the same stuff packed in 55 gal. drums. I live near the Indian Head US Navy Explosive Ordinance Station. One of the engineers that worked there loved blowing stuff up and used to help us get the stumps to rise out of the ground with this method. beekeep Article 34565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:48:30 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ1T1DZXrG82w6s0XLp8tvuAd2JbH+gF3NK8d/5cktXAhJ+5OmnD2/u X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2003 22:48:28 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34565 "Phillip Knowles" wrote in message news:bb6c6c$qr6$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > I have noticed sugar water usage on one of my hives go from a quart every > 4-5 days to a quart a day starting about a week ago. Closer inspection has > shown 100 to 1000s of bees circling around the front of the hive during > daytime foraging hours. I used an entrance reducers with the larger > "setting", but the hive still appears to be getting robbed very heavily. I > have now turned the entrance reducer to the smaller setting in hopes to > deter the robbing behavior. The hive being robbed seems pretty strong. I > assume the very small hole will help the hive fend of the robbers, but I am > concerned it will not be enough of an opening to allow the bees out to > forage in a timely manner, and also have circulation/cooling concerns with > such a small opening. The daytime temps in my area have been reaching about > 75. I have also made the decision to change from an entrance feeder to an > internal frame feeder on all my hives. The hive is definitely not over > crowded. I would appreciate any guidance/advice on how to stop the > robbers. > From your description, I'm not convinced you have any robbing going on. It sounds like you have a colony which has grown rapidly, due to feeding. They are now capable of taking up and processing the feed much faster. The manic activity at the entrance may be large numbers of young bees which have graduated to forager status, and are making their orientation flights. Open the hive up. Do you find wax cappings all over the bottom board? Robbers should be going after the honey stores more so than the feed. (Why steal the diluted stuff if honey is available?) Keith Article 34566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:10:45 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:11:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.211 X-Trace: sv3-AIAKaZbLaM8VlOD/7YwYO8QqokdMiPXdiq8NejUHP3iIqVVsV80ZM/k8NWFXYFl/ZpKX+/MrMkpgcst!q1YndEjN3EbeNuyJjPDMUK921HIdg6MwRHj4AnBxFf++bNPdDnU5VBLXYuoRXG0grqAktpY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed3.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34566 Have to disagree with ya on this one Keith. Bees will choose the sugar syrup before honey every time. Honey is their winter food and has to be diluted before being consumed and is their last choice. The order of preference is nectar, sugar syrup, then honey. Robbers will go after the nectar/syrup being ripened prior to capping before finally going after the capped honey. Looking for wax cappings on the floor is a good idea, but robbing can still be pretty bad without seeing any cappings. I tend to think the colony is being robbed simply because an entrance feeder is being used. Those things really cause more problems than they're worth, IMHO. Another sign of robbing is how the bees enter the hive. If they enter as though they know where they're going, then robbing isn't likely. However, if they hover (circle) around the entrance for a while and then go in, then robbing is likely. Phillip did say "Closer inspection has shown 100 to 1000s of bees circling around the front of the hive during daytime foraging hours". One other word of advice to Phillip, I wouldn't use frame feeders either. They have their own set of problems and reduce the brood nest size. The tried and true method is an inverted glass gallon jar with some tiny holes in the lid. Place it over the hole in the inner cover and put some empty hive bodies around it with a cover on top. Use 5 lbs. of sugar to make a gallon. This will be very close to the recommended 1:1 ratio by weight - not exact, but close. (West Texas) Mark Keith Wrote: From your description, I'm not convinced you have any robbing going on. It sounds like you have a colony which has grown rapidly, due to feeding. They are now capable of taking up and processing the feed much faster. The manic activity at the entrance may be large numbers of young bees which have graduated to forager status, and are making their orientation flights. Open the hive up. Do you find wax cappings all over the bottom board? Robbers should be going after the honey stores more so than the feed. (Why steal the diluted stuff if honey is available?) Article 34567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:27:16 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:28:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.211 X-Trace: sv3-vkEpAL/kkyI2jSBlfeJFTpzAnlruGsnkPq1Lb67nS+kNusq1MmYv+yXIX5G+wj88raxDsGgCH15NIur!3Alsquh5sahL5Kpbug/X5H+jStPqWcSmDhCkJoG7ErM6gYRPojBUIwSmBjVx7WmB0aLkoxk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34567 I think your idea of turning the box over is probably as good as any. It MIGHT make them leave. However, if it's not totally broken up, they will just repair it and stay. You could kill them. Seven dust works well if you can get it inside the hive. Needless to say, you could get stung badly!! A beekeeper is preferred. If you insist on doing this yourself, you need to protect your head and face with some netting. Better yet, you could do everything at night. Bees don't fly at night. Yes, they can still see, but just don't fly. Wait a couple of hours after dark. They do crawl around, so don't stick around and let them get under your pants leg. I still think getting a beekeeper is your best bet. Good Luck (West Texas) Mark "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next to the box and of course the box itself. After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through the fence and under his shed. Please help> THanks Killie Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland http://tinyurl.com/bic8 New members always welcome, free membership http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 01:38:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054431487 209.204.149.210 (Sat, 31 May 2003 18:38:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:38:07 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.184.165.233!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34568 In article , "me" wrote: > hive bodies around it with a cover on top. Use 5 lbs. of sugar to make a > gallon. This will be very close to the recommended 1:1 ratio by weight - > not exact, but close. Umm... With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let alone "very close"... The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to be exact) of water to go with it. 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" is much better than "too weak". -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Judy and Dave G" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:10:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3ed96141$0$190$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net> Organization: FUSE Internet Access NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.68.14.151 X-Trace: 1054433602 nnrp1.fuse.net 190 216.68.14.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@fuse.net Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp1.fuse.net!nnrp.fuse.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34569 Are you sure that they are honeybees? Inside a compost bin does not sound much like honeybees. Perhaps Yellow Jackets? Or hornets? If they are honeybees, a call to a local beekeeper or beekeeper's group would benefit you, the bees and the beekeeper! Good Luck to you. Judy "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/