From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac Wed May 4 21:27:50 EDT 1994 Article: 157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasteurized honey... Date: 26 Apr 94 17:58:04 GMT Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <2pcpdi$28h@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2pdrupINNmae@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz) writes: >In article <2pdrupINNmae@uwm.edu>, callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joel E Callan) writes: >|> My gradfather was a beekeeper who occasionally sold his honey to >|> "processing" plant (local). The plant would combine honey of similar quality >|> (based on color, source of pollen and flavor). The marketed honey was not.... >Uhm, one moment please. Honey is made from flower nectar, not pollen.... >..... Honey is concentrated nectar, pure and simple... Plus a significant amount of bee parts (legs, wings, etc.) plus dirt and air bubbles and specks (hopefully small) of feces and pollen and ..... --Myron. -- # Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, jury, witness, and cartridge. # Myron A. Calhoun, PhD EE; Assoc. Professor (913) 539-4448 home # INTERNET: mac@cis.ksu.edu 532-6350 work, 532-7353 fax # UUCP: ...rutgers!depot!mac Packet radio: W0PBV@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!dove!news.nist.gov!przemek Wed May 4 21:27:52 EDT 1994 Article: 158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!dove!news.nist.gov!przemek From: przemek@rrdjazz.nist.gov (Przemek Klosowski) Subject: Why does honey crystallize? Message-ID: Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: U. of Maryland/NIST Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 15:14:00 GMT Lines: 22 Hi, I noticed that the honey that I get in the US (whether commercial or from friendly beekeepers) never crystallizes, but instead stays clear and liquid). On the other hand honey that my family sends from Poland occasionally, as well as the imported commercial honey from Germany often phase-separates, with some clear liquid on the top and the grainy crystallized volume (comprising usually 60-80%) below. A local beekeeper said that this is because of added sugar, but I was told that at least my Polish honey was not treated with sugar. Taste-wise, I like the crystallized version, but this may be simply acquired. Does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause of this difference? -- przemek klosowski (przemek@rrdstrad.nist.gov) Reactor Division (bldg. 235), E111 National Institute of Standards and Technology Gaithersburg, MD 20899, USA (301) 975 6249 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!nexus.yorku.ca!tony Wed May 4 21:27:53 EDT 1994 Article: 159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!cs.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!nexus.yorku.ca!tony From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) Subject: Re: Why does honey crystallize? Message-ID: Originator: tony@nexus.yorku.ca Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University References: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 23:09:30 GMT Lines: 31 Przemek Klosowski (przemek@rrdjazz.nist.gov) notices > that the honey that I get in the US (whether commercial or > from friendly beekeepers) never crystallizes, but instead stays clear > and liquid). Honey is a supersaturated solution of sugars. To quote my "Bible" (Dadant, The Hive and the Honey Bee, 1975) : " A supersaturated solution is one that contains more dissolved material than can normally remain in solution. Such solutions are more or less unstable and in time will return to the stable saturated condition with the excesive material comming out of solution. .. Crystallizing tendancy is related to honey composition and storage conditions; some honeys never crystallize while others will do so within a few days of extraction, or even in the comb. ... Several attempts have been made to express the liability of a honey to granulate .. White (1961) has shown that the dextrose-to-water ratio .. is more closely related toa the granulation tendancy .. than other indices .. D/W ratios of 1.70 or lower appear to be associated with nongranulated honey, and values of 2.10 and higher predict rapid completion of granulation. .. White, J.W. Jr. (1961) Gl. Bee Cult. 89:230-233 " > On the other hand honey that my family sends from Poland > occasionally, as well as the imported commercial honey from Germany > often phase-separates .. -- tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, North York, Canada. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!modem66.ucdavis.edu!ddtodd Wed May 4 21:27:54 EDT 1994 Article: 160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!modem66.ucdavis.edu!ddtodd From: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) Subject: Re: Why does honey crystallize? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California at Davis X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] References: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 08:39:44 GMT Lines: 24 przemek@rrdjazz.nist.gov (Przemek Klosowski) writes: >I noticed that the honey that I get in the US (whether commercial or >from friendly beekeepers) never crystallizes, but instead stays clear >and liquid). On the other hand honey that my family sends from Poland >occasionally, as well as the imported commercial honey from Germany >often phase-separates, with some clear liquid on the top and the >grainy crystallized volume (comprising usually 60-80%) below. I'm pretty sure this is not due to added sugar. I just picked up ~50lbs of honey from the local bee-keepers here and it was mostly crystallized. I thought it was just a matter of the water evaporating out until it became thick enough to start srystallizing. I think there may be the need for nuclei and micro filtering may reduce the size of available nuclei. If this is correct a lot more water would have to evap. before crystallization. cheers, Dan ========================================================================= Dan Todd ddtodd@ucdavis.edu kc6uud@ke6lw.#nocal.ca.us.na Charter Member: Dummies for UNIX ------------------------------------------------------------------------- When radios are outlawed, only outlaws will have radios - David R. Tucker on rec.radio.amateur.policy ========================================================================== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!ames!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 Wed May 4 21:27:57 EDT 1994 Article: 161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!ames!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 From: moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Practicing beekeepers Date: 27 Apr 1994 02:22:17 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pki8p$anm@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Are there any practicing beekeepers out there? From reading the articles, there are mostly hobbiests. I would like to exchange some tips and methods that have helped me throught the years. I and my brother raise around 3,000 colonies, if there are any beekeepers out there who keep bees to make a living, lets talk. Salmon River Beekeeper Grangville Idaho From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!ames!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news Wed May 4 21:27:58 EDT 1994 Article: 162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!ames!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news From: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com (Karel Bokhorst) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why does honey crystallize? Date: 27 Apr 1994 11:02:11 GMT Organization: Schlumberger Geco-Prakla Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2plgnj$rf3@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> References: Reply-To: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: margana.gatwick.sgp.slb.com > >A local beekeeper said that this is because of added sugar, but I was told >that at least my Polish honey was not treated with sugar. Taste-wise, I >like the crystallized version, but this may be simply acquired. > >Does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause of this difference? > >-- > Hi , I am not a bee-keeper (my father is) but i thought that it had to do with the type of honey. Depending on what the main plant or tree was where the honey is coming from it will either completely cristalize or stay clear. I know for sure that my father was very keen on getting the honey out before it cristalizes already in the hive when his bees flew to heather plants (Erica..) Karel Bokhorst From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui Wed May 4 21:27:59 EDT 1994 Article: 163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui From: veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Practicing beekeepers Date: 27 Apr 1994 19:40:03 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pmf2j$mg8@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <2pki8p$anm@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca In article <2pki8p$anm@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) writes: >Are there any practicing beekeepers out there? From reading the >articles, there are mostly hobbiests. I would like to exchange some tips >and methods that have helped me throught the years. I and my brother >raise around 3,000 colonies, if there are any beekeepers out there who >keep bees to make a living, lets talk. I think the nature of the internet is still such that most people with access will have full-time jobs in the business or education fields. I am putting myself through university by beekeeping. I have only 60 colonies, although my family and other relations are comercial beekeepers. (Several operations in the 1000 colony range) My experience with hobiest/commercial interchange is that it is frustrating and often unproductive. For instance, commercial beekeepers often worry more about equipment and anomalous hive management practices than the basic management of normal hives. Whereas hobbiest beekeepers are more interested in getting feedback about fairly basic (though crucial) tasks and management. The fact that one keeps many colonies doesn't make one more of an expert, although one may be an expert. I always advise hobbiests with some trepidation. The solutions to problems I use are not necessarily a good solution to the same problem for the single hive beekeeper who might be just as knowledgeable, but who may not have a truck with a hydralyc tailgate, a hired man etc... I also find that many practices in beekeeping are highly regionalized and also idiosyncratic. Unfortunately the best way to learn how to keep bees is to grow up with 1000 hives in your back yard, and since not all of us are this fortunate (ha-ha), we shouldn't wonder that others have many guestions. I guess my point is that number of colonies doesn't equal expertise. (my personal opinion is that expertise is a function of intelligence, but we would think someone who says "I'm smart, therefore I'm right begs the question) BTW, an excellent, pratical an uptodate beekeeping book is the one I refered to earlier. IE, The Honey Bee: A guide for beekeepers" by Vickery (particle press, 1991). It has some good discussion of some issues in keeping bees in northern climes (ontario and north USA). The Norther prairies is a more extremme case (manitoba sask alberta) which I have yet to see properly discussed in book length form. Talk to you later, Phil. -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail Wed May 4 21:28:00 EDT 1994 Article: 164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: spbcnsp@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Neville Steven Percy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keeping in Terry Pratchett books Date: 26 Apr 1994 18:40:45 -0500 Organization: University College London Lines: 13 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <1994Apr25.194941.22872@ucl.ac.uk> References: <1994Apr22.080153.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu >In article , rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes: >> An open question: >> 1) Are there any Terry Pratchett fans on this group? >> 2) If so, did you start bee-keeping after reading T.P.'s >> glowing, heroic descriptions of bee-keepers? 1> Yes, most emphatically. 2> Duh? As a fan of both, if not an actual bee-participator, I feel I must read whichever Pratchett book has a beekeeper in it immediately! Nev (:> From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Wed May 4 21:28:02 EDT 1994 Article: 165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 27 Apr 1994 20:51:29 GMT Organization: Northwestern University Medical School, Chicago IL Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2pmj8h$5j8@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> <2pgdil$66p@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2pkra3$594@rainbow.sosi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <2pkra3$594@rainbow.sosi.com>, Tom Harrington wrote: >Your post has triggered the Flame-Bot... (immaturities deleted) What a worthless post. When I brought up a discussion a long time ago on BEE-L about a USENET group, one of the main objections by many was that there would be a lot of trash postings. I hope that it is not valid concern. Let's try to stick to bee-related topics please. Getting back to propolis, does anyone know how bees bring back the resins that they use for propolis? I would imagine that resins are very sticky... so which part of their bodies are the bees using to carry resins back to the hive, or are they using their proboscis? Also, I seem to remember hearing that propolis was used in the manufacture of violins. Anyone know how? Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Wed May 4 21:28:05 EDT 1994 Article: 166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 28 Apr 1994 11:27:51 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2po6jn$8mh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: <2pmj8h$5j8@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com In article 5j8@news.acns.nwu.edu, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: >In article <2pkra3$594@rainbow.sosi.com>, >Tom Harrington wrote: > >Getting back to propolis, does anyone know how bees bring back the resins >that they use for propolis? I would imagine that resins are very sticky... >so which part of their bodies are the bees using to carry resins back to >the hive, or are they using their proboscis? Seems to me I remember reading that they bring the propolis back in their pollen sacks on their hind legs. Interesting because it must be a job getting the stuff out. > >Also, I seem to remember hearing that propolis was used in the manufacture >of violins. Anyone know how? Yes, I had heard that violins, especially the old ones, do use propolis in the finish. >Regards, >Paul >-- >Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) >Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 >Ward Bldg. Box 213 >Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!moroney Wed May 4 21:28:06 EDT 1994 Article: 167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Why does honey crystallize? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: X-Status: R Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 06:38:58 GMT Lines: 14 In article , Przemek Klosowski wrote: > I noticed that the honey that I get in the US (whether commercial or > from friendly beekeepers) never crystallizes, but instead stays clear > and liquid). On the other hand honey that my family sends from Poland > occasionally, as well as the imported commercial honey from Germany > often phase-separates, with some clear liquid on the top and the > grainy crystallized volume (comprising usually 60-80%) below. > > Does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause of this difference? One factor is the type of flower the honey comes from. Goldenrod honey tends to crystallize more than many other common types. -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!rainbow.sosi.com!rainbow.sosi.com!not-for-mail Wed May 4 21:28:07 EDT 1994 Article: 168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!rainbow.sosi.com!rainbow.sosi.com!not-for-mail From: tph@rainbow.sosi.com (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 26 Apr 1994 21:56:35 -0700 Organization: Spectrum Online Systems Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <2pkra3$594@rainbow.sosi.com> References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> <2pgdil$66p@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.sosi.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:168 alt.religion.kibology:28472 Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : In article , : James "Kibo" Parry wrote: : >[sci.agriculture.beekeeping] : >In article , Richard Hyde wrote: : >> I have heard anecdotal evidence that propolis has been used to : >> cure arthritus, but then so has copper and silver bracelets. YMMV. : > : >I hear that the Weekly World News and New England Jornal of Medicine : >will, tomorrow, jointly announce that a mixture of Pop Rocks and Coke : >will cure arthritis. : Hey, don't knock propolis benefits just yet. Let's wait for current : research on caffeic acid phenethyl ester before dismissing this folk : remedy. 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Only a THE ZUMABOT devotee like you would say that MY EVIDENCE SAYS YOU'RE A LIBELOUS LOONY. The concept of free speech does not include your lousiness. You dictatorial radical wiretapper! I've seen some CRASS SCUMBAGs in my life, but PAUL C. CHENG really takes the cake. ----- End Flame-Bot ----- -- Tom Harington ------------ tph@sosi.com ----------- mechanist@aol.com Engineer, Cybernetic Entomologist, Techno-Rat, H.P.L.D. ====================================================================== "I'm one piece short of Lego Land..." -Ned's Atomic Dustbin From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Wed May 4 21:28:08 EDT 1994 Article: 169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Worker Date: 28 Apr 94 13:45:39 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <2pmovj$jut@search01.news.aol.com> <2pn39e$m3c@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu It is my understanding that if the queen has died, workers will sometimes lay, but since these would be unmated, they would lay only drones. If this is the case, she must be killed. -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!headwall.Stanford.EDU!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright Wed May 4 21:28:10 EDT 1994 Article: 170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!headwall.Stanford.EDU!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!adwright From: adwright@iastate.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African honey bees:How far North? Message-ID: Date: 27 Apr 94 17:51:05 GMT References: Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: vincent2.iastate.edu While we are on this subject: It has been said that the African bee is not becoming gentler by crossing with gentler strains, as was originally hoped would happen as they came northward. My question: Is there any evidence that crossing HAS occured? It may be that the african queens select african drones and thay do not randomly mate. I am sure someone has looked into this more deeply. It should be easy to demonstrate using DNA samples. Maybe they are randomly mating but Nature selects for aggressive behaivior, keeping at least the aggressive genes at high frequency. Any thoughts? Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Wed May 4 21:28:11 EDT 1994 Article: 171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long do I feed a new colony? Date: 27 Apr 1994 13:12:04 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 69 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2plob4$7r9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com In article 94Apr18142924@polaris.cv.nrao.edu, kcrady@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Kirk Crady) writes: > >Hi all, > >I hope you'll take a minute or two to pass along some insights to a new >beekeeper. > >I've just installed two 3 lb. colonies of bees into hives in Virginia. >The bees went in last Wednesday afternoon, 4/13. Since then, they seem >to be consuming about a pint of 1:1 sugar syrup per day. > >I refilled the jars for the first time yesterday (Sunday). Each hive >has one half-gal. and one quart mason jar (3 qts.ttl.) placed as entrance >feeders. > >Do you think a third re-filling is necessary? The daily temps around here >are mid 70's and there seems to be a lot of dogwood, redbud and apple >trees blooming now. > >What kind of rule of thumb do you folks use? The bees will continue to take the syrup until they have something better, namely nectar. I am in Raleigh, N.C and the honey flow started around here about 1-2 weeks ago; its earily this year. I would go ahead and give them some more syrup until the honey flow starts in your area which should be soon. One way to look at this is by giving them some more syrup, the activity of the hive will not be affected and they will continue to raise young bees. It sounds as if your are using the boardman entrance feeders. I typically do not use this type of feeder since it can cause robbing and in cold weather the bees cannot get to the syrup since it is on the outside causing the bees to starve. My preference is for the pail feeder that you invert over the top of the inner cover hole...this works well in both warm and cold weather and it does not cause a robbing problem. I have also used the frame feeder (the feeder that is inserted in the hive in place of a frame) but still like the pail feeder the best. With the frame feeder you need to put some floating material in the syrup so that the bees do not drown but you do not need any extra equipment. With a pail feeder you need another deep to place around the feeder. Also, you do not need to worry about the syrup getting mixed in with the honey. The bees seem to use up the syrup and do not mix the syrup and nectar/honey from what I have observed. You can get the one gallon pail feeders from a lot of bee supply houses ( Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, Dadant, etc.) but I prefer the 3.1 gallon pail feeders from Mann Lake. If I do not need to feed the bees a full 3.1 gallons I can put a smaller quantity, like one gallon, of syrup in the 3.1 gallon pail and it works fine. With the 3.1 gallon pail, I am able to start feeding the bees around the first of February in order to make splits...the 3.1 gallon qty allows me to reduce the number of trips to the bee yard to feed the bees. If I am not making splits, I will typically start feeding the bees about mid to the end of March to make sure they are full of bees come the end of April when the Tulip Poplar starts blooming in this area. I typically will only feed if the bees are short of honey unless I want to make splits. Good luck and I hope your bees do well. The honey flow started about 1-2 weeks earily around the Raleigh area this year...it has the makings of an excellent year. Rgds, Dave M. > >Thanks, >Kirk Crady > >kcrady@polaris.cv.nrao.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!apm Wed May 4 21:28:12 EDT 1994 Article: 172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!apm From: apm@hpopdlau.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apprenticeships/opportunities in the UK? Date: 27 Apr 1994 13:54:00 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <8705@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpopdlau.pwd.hp.com In-reply-to: mrw@ukc.ac.uk's message of Sat, 23 Apr 94 11:53:09 GMT >>>>> "mrw" == M.R.Watkins writes: mrw> I'm very interested in getting into beekeeping (I know very little, but mrw> am fascinated by the little I do know). If anyone knows of anywhere I mrw> can learn the basics, or enter into an apprenticeship in the UK (or mrw> Western Europe), please let me know. I'm quite practically minded, mrw> despite being trained as a mathematician :) . Your best bet is to find your local beekeepers club. There is certainly a Kent Beekeepers Association, who probably have a local branch near Canterbury. If you can't find them, try the police station, they may well be able to help as the police keep lists of beekeepers prepared to deal with swarms. There are also courses in advanced beekeeping, but the best way to start is with the local association. Drop me a line if you have difficulty contacting a local branch, as my mother is member of the KBKA, and I can probably get a local contact name. Andrew -- Andrew Merritt (C=GB;AD=GOLD 400;PD=HP;OU1=Pinewood;SN=Merritt;GN=Andy) __o HP CCSY Messaging, Pinewood, UK \<, Disclaimer: I don't speak for HP, and they don't speak for me. ........O/ O From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe Wed May 4 21:28:13 EDT 1994 Article: 173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Message-ID: <1994Apr28.123757.4472@crosfield.co.uk> Date: 28 Apr 94 12:37:57 GMT References: <2pmj8h$5j8@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2po6jn$8mh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK Lines: 18 In article <2po6jn$8mh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> david@boogie.East.Sun.COM writes: >In article 5j8@news.acns.nwu.edu, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: >>Getting back to propolis, does anyone know how bees bring back the resins >>that they use for propolis? I would imagine that resins are very sticky... >>so which part of their bodies are the bees using to carry resins back to >>the hive, or are they using their proboscis? > >Seems to me I remember reading that they bring the propolis back in their >pollen sacks on their hind legs. I can confirm this. I've seen it quite often. Brown, shiny, more or less spherical lumps carried on the pollen baskets. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 442 230000 ext 5104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.gov.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au!macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au!johns Wed May 4 21:28:14 EDT 1994 Article: 174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.gov.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au!macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au!johns From: johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Savage) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees do not like kerosene fumes Message-ID: <2pacpq$laa@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> Date: 23 Apr 94 05:47:38 GMT Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au I remember when my father began beekeeping -- he started with just three hives, and cared for them meticulously. (Actually, he bought them off my brother and me when our schoolboy enthusiasm for bee husbandry waned.) Anyway, for some reason which I don't recall exactly, he used some kerosene on or near the hives. Perhaps he was cleaning all those dirty footprints off the landing ledge!, or maybe he sprayed a bit of kero on the ground in front to keep it free of grass, I just don't recall. The outcome was that the little bees packed their suitcases and prepared to flee. It was next morning when he noticed them massing ready for departure. He returned them to the hive and hurriedly installed a queen excluder across the entrance. Hope this saves others from losing bees through such means; they just do not like the smell of kerosene. P.S. kerosene is a petroleum product, called paraffin in some countries, it is less volatile than petrol, more volatile than diesel. __ __ .--_-_-_--. _____________________________ { \_____/ } __________ | (_|_|_) | { } . | (_|_) | '~. `[ ]` .~' Australia, _--_|\ |---------' John Savage (visitor) (.__=-- ) beautiful / \| Sydney guest account courtesy: _/ ~~~~~ \_ one day - \_.--._/^ 2000 Macquarie University (w w) perfect v OLYMPICS Sydney Australia ( ) the next. \__ _ __/ ===========internet: johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au===== \_) (_/ ============= From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Wed May 4 21:28:15 EDT 1994 Article: 175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African honey bees:How far North? Date: 27 Apr 1994 22:22:00 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 38 Message-ID: <2pmoi8$77a@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article , wrote: >My question: Is there any evidence that crossing HAS occured? It may be >that the african queens select african drones and thay do not randomly mate. >I am sure someone has looked into this more deeply. It should be easy >to demonstrate using DNA samples. > >Maybe they are randomly mating but Nature selects for aggressive behaivior, >keeping at least the aggressive genes at high frequency. There have been DNA analyses done previously. If memory serves, Glenn Hall (and others) did a restriction fragment length polymorphism (RFLP) analysis on inheritance of mitochondrial DNA. It was found that queens found in swarms had mitochondrial genomes of mostly African descent. RFLP analysis of genomic DNA also implies a predominantly African make-up. However, RFLP gives only correlative evidence which should not be used as the gold standard for discriminating between mellifera races. In conclusion, even though crossing has occurred, the spread of African bees does not appear to be greatly affected by mating with feral European colonies or European colonies in apiaries, hence less "dilution" of the aggressive behavior. There are many hypotheses as to why this is the case, including high African drone populations, absconding rate, etc. Even if the dilution hypothesis were correct, California would still be in trouble. Eric Mussen noted last year that the feral European colonies have all but died off due to Varroa, so there won't be much diluting going on. Rob Page's lab at Davis does DNA stuff. Mike Crosland, who used to be in Page Lab, is now in Australia, I believe. They might be good people to ask for more detailed info. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!rmholt Wed May 4 21:28:17 EDT 1994 Article: 176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!rmholt From: rmholt@u.washington.edu (Rose Marie Holt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 27 Apr 1994 04:30:33 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2pkpp9$n1u@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:176 alt.religion.kibology:28620 In article , James "Kibo" Parry wrote: > >I hear that the Weekly World News and New England Jornal of Medicine >will, tomorrow, jointly announce that a mixture of Pop Rocks and Coke >will cure arthritis. > Yes, and David Letterman will be the first volunteer to immerse himself in a large bowl of the Cure. And so soon after the rectal feeding disaster - I hope this goes better. _____________________________________________________________________________ Rose Marie Holt, the most unreasonable person you ever met rmholt@u.washington.edu "...trust me, I'm a doctor" Will Read Xrays For Food --J. Kevorkian ________________________________________________________________________________ - From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Wed May 4 21:28:18 EDT 1994 Article: 177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!sarah!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Subject: Re: African honey bees:How far North? Message-ID: <16FA6EB8BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Sender: news@sarah.albany.edu (News Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 References: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 94 16:44:55 EDT Lines: 38 In article adwright@iastate.edu () writes: > > ...It has been said that the African bee >is not becoming gentler by crossing with gentler strains, as was originally >hoped would happen as they came northward. > >My question: Is there any evidence that crossing HAS occured? It may be >that the african queens select african drones and thay do not randomly mate. >I am sure someone has looked into this more deeply. It should be easy >to demonstrate using DNA samples. > There was a speaker at the Southern Adirondack Beekeepers Assoc who had been to a Central American Country (Costa Rica?) to work with AHB to see what's in store for the States when AHBs arrive. The locals have found a number of things about the AHB to support the statement that AHBs are NOT becoming gentler as they breed with feral bees. The hypothesis for this is the AHB's aggression (not aggression as in nasty bees, rather aggression as in highly motivated). It was stated that the AHB is highly motivated to do those things that bees do, such as collect nectar and pollen, clean hives, and procreate. The AHB workers are highly motivated in foraging behavior, out competing their European cousins in the quest for limited floral resources. And when it comes to mating with virgin queens, the AHB drones are more motivated (hornier?) than their Eurpoean cousins and are therefore more likely to pass on AHB genes, whether the queen is European or African. Therefore, in the constant struggle for the survival of the fittest, the AHB is more aggressive (read motivated) in the struggle, and hence the local strains are becoming more aggressive as the AHB genes are more successfully passed on. Sad to say that I did not take good notes at this meeting and cannot say who the speaker was, although I have no reason to doubt his credentials. Unfortunately, given that I can't identify the source, what I have written above about natural selection must be classified as hearsay. Any experts able to back this up? From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Wed May 4 21:28:19 EDT 1994 Article: 178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African honey bees:How far North? Date: 27 Apr 1994 19:23:49 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pme45$8mh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com It's my understanding that african drones fly eariler and later than the European drones which results in the area becoming africanized. In article 767469065@vincent2.iastate.edu, adwright@iastate.edu () writes: While we are on this subject: It has been said that the African bee is not becoming gentler by crossing with gentler strains, as was originally hoped would happen as they came northward. My question: Is there any evidence that crossing HAS occured? It may be that the african queens select african drones and thay do not randomly mate. I am sure someone has looked into this more deeply. It should be easy to demonstrate using DNA samples. Maybe they are randomly mating but Nature selects for aggressive behaivior, keeping at least the aggressive genes at high frequency. Any thoughts? Allen -- From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Wed May 4 21:28:20 EDT 1994 Article: 179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!udel!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Worker Date: 27 Apr 1994 21:25:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 22 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2pn39e$m3c@search01.news.aol.com> References: <2pmovj$jut@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <2pmovj$jut@search01.news.aol.com>, matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) writes: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2pggp3$9h4@ratatosk.uninett.no> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 18:57:39 GMT Lines: 11 In article <2pggp3$9h4@ratatosk.uninett.no>, <> wrote: >Where do I get my first bee? From the bee store silly! Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Wed May 4 21:28:22 EDT 1994 Article: 181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!hp81.prod.aol.net!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: matchstic@aol.com (Matchstic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Practicing beekeepers Date: 27 Apr 1994 23:03:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 24 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2pn916$nk4@search01.news.aol.com> References: <2pmf2j$mg8@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <2pmf2j$mg8@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) writes: What about the new sideliners? I've been trying to go from the hobbiest level to the sideliner level in one Giant Step. This seems to be the perfect forum to exchnage ideas and tips at all levels ,therby allowing the individual the opportunity to filter out what they will. The situation Im running into is a huge load of book knowledge and limited hands on experience (but Im a fast learn, thankfully) So please, you commercial and semi commercial producers let us hear your tips and input. seeya Mike Vincent matchstic@aol.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Wed May 4 21:28:22 EDT 1994 Article: 182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis? Date: 27 Apr 1994 21:54:49 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2pmmv9$4nl@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> <2pgdil$66p@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2pkra3$594@rainbow.sosi.com> <2pmj8h$5j8@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: [deletions . . .] : Getting back to propolis, does anyone know how bees bring back the resins : that they use for propolis? I would imagine that resins are very sticky... : so which part of their bodies are the bees using to carry resins back to : the hive, or are they using their proboscis? [more deletions] paul - take a look at the latest bee journal - they have a picture of a bee doing just what you are asking about. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!milano!winmac.mcc.com!user Wed May 4 21:28:23 EDT 1994 Article: 183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!milano!winmac.mcc.com!user From: (Chris Windsor) Subject: request tips on selling honey Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@mcc.com Organization: Northern Telecom Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 18:17:59 GMT Lines: 6 I am brand new to beekeeping; just setup my first two hives (or is it colonies?). Although I am not expecting you folks to give away your real sales and marketing strategies, I would most appreciate any pointers on the subject. Regards, Chris Windsor in Cedar Park, TX From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!mac2wild2.tamu.edu!user Wed May 4 21:28:29 EDT 1994 Article: 184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!mac2wild2.tamu.edu!user From: pjh3142@rigel.tamu.edu (Pascal Hua) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasteurized honey... Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Apr 1994 15:59:29 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <2pcpdi$28h@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2pdrupINNmae@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac2wild2.tamu.edu In article , przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz) wrote: > Uhm, one moment please. Honey is made from flower nectar, not pollen. These are > two different products of a flower used for different purposes. Bees eat the > pollen (that's why they won't raise any brood in the spring until there's enough > pollen to feed it) and some of it, of course, makes into the honey. Honey is > concentrated nectar, pure and simple. The water content is around 16-17%, if > memory serves me right. Hello, but they still make honey for food reserve, right ? So it means that they eat it during the winter ? Does it just keep better than pollen ? Is pollen a "better" food ? When you say two diff. purposes, do you mean for the flower or for the bee ? I know about the flower. What are the two purposes for the bee ? Thank you, Pascal. -- Pascal Hua Texas A&M University College Station,TX pjh3142@rigel.tamu.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!m2xenix!mvb.saic.com!news.cerf.net!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.gov.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au!macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au!johns Wed May 4 21:28:32 EDT 1994 Article: 185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!m2xenix!mvb.saic.com!news.cerf.net!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.gov.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au!macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au!johns From: johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Savage) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,k12.chat.teacher,soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.new-zealand Subject: BUMBLE BEES - please post a description of your local variety Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.new-zealand Date: 30 Apr 1994 07:23:23 GMT Organization: Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pt11b$lbd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:185 k12.chat.teacher:11221 soc.culture.new-zealand:15722 I have been interested in the discussion on Bumble Bees, more so to find out that there are different types. I didn't know ANY lived in colonies. In Australia, there are no bumble bees of any description. Our native bees are tiny, and usually mistaken for little flies. Once, while reclining in a sundrenched garden in New Zealand, my quiet reverie was interrupted by a penetrating drone that approached nearer and nearer. Anxiously seeking the source of the sound, I was amazed to behold a huge canary-yellow bee industriously visiting flower heads in determined, methodical succession. In size, it resembled a pickled olive with tiny wings - I was astonished that such an ungainly-proportioned craft could execute these deft aerobatic manoeuvers to land and feed on wavering petal platforms. I believe it to be of solitary habit, and with no sting; though I chose not to tempt fate all the same. The nearest we have to solitary bees in Australia is something of identical size to honey bees. At the beach one day, I heard the sound of an approaching bee and observed as one landed on a nearby sandstone rock and disappeared into a small hole just above ground level. Moments later it emerged to fly off, later returning and repeating this a number of times. This bee was of the same appearance as a honey bee, except the usual yellow and black bands were coloured a dazzling electric blue and black. Though an observant amateur naturalist, I have only ever seen just that one. I'm cross-posting this to a newsgroup where I know there are New Zealand readers, in the hope that they may care to elaborate on the NZ bumble bee. __ __ .--_-_-_--. _____________________________ { \_____/ } __________ | (_|_|_) | { } . | (_|_) | '~. `[ ]` .~' Australia, _--_|\ |---------' John Savage (visitor) (.__=-- ) beautiful / \| Sydney guest account courtesy: _/ ~~~~~ \_ one day - \_.--._/^ 2000 Macquarie University (w w) perfect v OLYMPICS Sydney Australia ( ) the next. \__ _ __/ ===========internet: johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au===== \_) (_/ ============= From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:28:39 EDT 1994 Article: 186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Varroa questions from Ormond Message-ID: Keywords: varroa, mite Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 10:26:08 GMT Lines: 60 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 16:22:00 -0700 From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA For discussion 1 when do varroa mites enter cells (they don't enter bees) The varroa handbook p 9 says Young varroa mites remain on adult bees for 5 to 13 days before entering brood cells. or 44 % of young mites enter brood cells within 6 days 69 % 12 days 90 %... 24 days The mites enter worker cells between the 7 th and 8 th day or drone cells between the 8 th and 9 th day. 2 the best single treatment for varroa (consider that some of the varroa problem is the complexity of variable conditions of climate, bee colonies, bee keeping areas, etc, which makes a simple answer to this simple question, inadequate) something that kills all the varroa on the adult bees in a beekeeping area, when there is no bee brood where the mites can be protected. The something might be the bees' behavior, a chemical, or a physical treatment. Of the options available, Apistan strips in fall when brood rearing is minimal, may fit what you'd like as a good treatment. 3. what happens to the mites as the bee colony dies The details are speculation, but as a bee colony approaches a minimal size, bees from it may abandon and go to other colonies, carrying mites. Bees from other colonies may rob the honey stored in the now-poorly-protected hive, and carry mites back to their hives. The last remaining bees (newly emerging workers, queen) would have lots of varroa released as workers emerge. I've seen some strange results this spring, as hives aquire thousands of varroa from somewhere (much beyond the reproductive capacity of those mites which were there last fall). Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:28:42 EDT 1994 Article: 187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Why does honey crystallize? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 11:24:34 GMT Lines: 20 If you had gotten honey from western Virginia it would have crystallized! Granulation seems to be correlated to floral source and how the honey is processed. Heating honey lowers its granuulation rate, so packers who process large amounts of honey tend to have clear honey. Think about it, imagine dealing with tons of honey an hour? If it is hot, it will move more quickly and you can get more processed. So this honey doesn't granulate. Honey from beekeepers who extract theirs and package it without heating it granulates more readily. Couple this with floral sources that have high granulation from the sugar combination in their nectar, and you get crystallized honey. Thistle and Knapweed honey, the Shenandoah Valley's varietal honey crystallizes readily. Known as "sugaring." Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:28:44 EDT 1994 Article: 188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Mites Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p3t4p$f48@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> <2pgqfh$1o1@hitchcock.dfki.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 11:55:06 GMT Lines: 7 Apistan. -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:28:45 EDT 1994 Article: 189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: More Varroa info from bee-l Message-ID: Keywords: Varroa, mite Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 22:16:59 GMT Lines: 90 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 17:46:13 EDT From: "Gordon L. Scott (U.K.)" <100332.3310@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Varroa answer and some. Hi all, >I requested several weeks ago that a few of you more verbose posters >reply to Ormond Aebi's question,... >What in your opinion is the best single treatment for Varroa? I answered Rob direct on this but feel I would like to broadcast my views on the 'best' treatment. I believe that the 'best' is either bio-mechanical or whatever your neighbours are using (presuming it's reasonable) because the mites will more easily develop resistance to chemicals if they get a little sniff of each chemical from each beekeeper. Chemicals are only buying us time and we must protect and extend that time as much as we can. 'Blanket' treatment over a large area can knock back a pest very effectively all over that area for some time. ----- Varroa in Drone Brood I believe that varroa uses _only_ drone brood in Apis Cerana and I think that this is due to the life cycle of the mite. The 'capped' time for Cerana is rather shorter than in Mellifera and I think that in worker brood it is _too_ short for successful Varroa maturation. In Mellifera, the _even_longer_ drone brood time is just _great_ for successful Varroa maturation. ----- Varroa on other hosts. I have been told here during recent lectures at the British Beekeepers' Association spring convention that Varroa are 'totally unable to survive on any hosts [than honeybees]' I'm not in retrospect sure whether this is Mellifera and Cerana only or includes Dorsata, Florea and the 'new' one, the name of which escapes me. I haven't seen the Bee World article, I may try to locate a copy. ----- Colony desertion We also heard at the same lectures of cases of colony desertion when heavily infested by Varroa. It seems that several colonies that were under investigation to see what the mechanism is of colony collapse (in the UK at least), deserted the hive typically leaving just the queen and a few workers. This strange behaviour is suggested also to explain sudden _vast_ increases in Varroa concentrations in otherwise normally progressing colonies. Kerry Clark comments on this on Bee-l and various friends here have also commented (up from tens per day on Bayvarol to thousands per day in tests just a few weeks apart). The researcher on this is Dr. Stephen Martin at Cardiff University here in the UK. I don't yet know if he has an Email address -- I must find out! I suspect that he would be very interested in any correlating evidence. He also reports 'relatively large' _natural_ mite motality in study colonies, up to 900 per day rather than the 'few' per day at colony collapse reported elsewhere. The reason is as yet unclear but is guessed to be due to a lower level of secondary infections. Again I guess he would be interested in correlating evidence. ----- Beekeeping on CompuServe. Someone asked a little while ago about Beekeeping on Compuserve. There does not appear to be anything like Bee-l there, but some beekeepers do chat in the Gardening Forum. ----- Spring has arrived (again) here. After a false start in mid March followed by three or four weeks of cold (by our standards) wet and windy weather with a little snow (I had to feed four out of six colonies -- all nucs from last year), the sun has come back. Temperatures are up to about 15C, the wind and rain are mostly gone and the bees are out working at last. Bye for now, Gordon. -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!iat.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur Wed May 4 21:28:49 EDT 1994 Article: 190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!iat.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hello Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 19:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9404281708342@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS, 209-826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 15 ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \___/ \___/XXX\ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \XXX/:::\___/:::\___/:::\___/:::\XXX/ /XXX\ Wild Bee's joining the Beekeeper's::::::::::::::::::::::/ \ \XXX/ in sci.agriculture.beekeeping! ::::::::::::::::::::::\___/ / \ __ __ `:::::::::::::::/ \ \___/ / \ \^+^/ / \ Andy Nachbaur, sysop `::::::\___/ / \ \ \(O O)/ / Wild Bee's BBS `:::/ \ \___/ \ \\_// //-->> BEENET.COM `:\___/ / \ ------oOO--Y--OOo---------------------------- :/ \ \___/ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ \___/ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \ \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \XXX/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \XXX/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Wed May 4 21:28:50 EDT 1994 Article: 191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Worker Date: 29 Apr 1994 19:05:21 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2prlph$e82@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com In article 767540739@vincent2.iastate.edu, adwright@iastate.edu () writes: >It is my understanding that if the queen has died, workers will sometimes >lay, but since these would be unmated, they would lay only drones. If >this is the case, she must be killed. The problem that you get into is identifying a laying worker. Hence, the recommendation by someone to dump all the bees out of the hive, and the non-laying workers will find their way into a hive with a laying queen. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david Wed May 4 21:28:51 EDT 1994 Article: 192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!koriel!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!coca-cola.East.Sun.COM!sixgun.East.Sun.COM!boogie!david From: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM (David MacFawn - Sun NC Development Center) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasteurized honey... Date: 29 Apr 1994 19:16:28 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2prmec$e82@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> References: Reply-To: david@boogie.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.east.sun.com In article 280494110405@mac2wild2.tamu.edu, pjh3142@rigel.tamu.edu (Pascal Hua) writes: >In article , przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com >(Przemek Skoskiewicz) wrote: >> Uhm, one moment please. Honey is made from flower nectar, not pollen. These are >> two different products of a flower used for different purposes. Bees eat the >> pollen (that's why they won't raise any brood in the spring until there's enough >> pollen to feed it) and some of it, of course, makes into the honey. Honey is >> concentrated nectar, pure and simple. The water content is around 16-17%, if >> memory serves me right. Honey is used by the bees to eat during the winter. Around October/November the queen does not lay any eggs and around the end of December she begins to start laying a small number of eggs (at least in North Carolina). It takes pollen and honey to raise young bees but just mostly honey (from what I remember) to keep an adult bee going. Hence, the bees can start raising brood around the end of December/First of January and feed the young stored up pollen. Here in North Carolina the Maples bloom around the first of February so the bees are able to get some earily pollen from the Maples. If the bees do not have pollen they cannot raise brood. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:28:53 EDT 1994 Article: 193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: "Yugo" Bee: Proper name? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 17:14:56 GMT Lines: 33 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 17:35:39 +0100 From: mbgmg@seqnet.dl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9404261635.AA12875@s-crim1> Hi to everybody! I am a new reader of this conference. I am from Slovenia and I am a beekeeper as well. I would like to add few things about Yogoslavian bee. This bee is actually Slovenian or more accuratelly (as its latin name say; Apis melificera carnica) Carnian or Carniolian bee (Carnia is a part of Slovenia). Our name for this bee is Carnian grey bee, but never before I heard of that bee as Yugoslavian bee. It was breede in the teritories of Slovenia many years before existance of Yugoslavia (Slovenia was the part of Austro-Hungarian empire until WW I). It was breed in that teritories for many years or centuries but first time widely introduced by famous Slovenian beekeeper Anton Jansa, who was a royal beekeeper in the court of queen Maria Theresia. I am not a potent Slovenian nationalist but I think that the name Yugoslavian bee for it is really inappropriate. At the end, I would like to ask for some more informations about resistance of that bee, because I didn't know that it is supposed to be more resistant. At home we have several hives with that bees and we have a problems with mites as well (especially big problems were with varoa few years (3 and 4) ago, when in one winter almost half of all beefamilies in Slovenia (official estimation) didn't survive through the winter mostly becouse of highly infection with Varoa Jacobsoni Gregor mbgmg@seqnet.dl.ac.uk -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!netnews.alf.dec.com!tom.alf.dec.com!hood Wed May 4 21:28:54 EDT 1994 Article: 194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!netnews.alf.dec.com!tom.alf.dec.com!hood From: hood@tom.alf.dec.com (Doug Hood) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African honey bees:How far North? Date: 2 May 1994 14:11:53 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q31n9$hoh@netnews.alf.dec.com> References: <2pmoi8$77a@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: hood@tom.alf.dec.com (Doug Hood) NNTP-Posting-Host: tom.alf.dec.com X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-16 Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) writes: >correct, California would still be in trouble. Eric Mussen noted last year >that the feral European colonies have all but died off due to Varroa, so >there won't be much diluting going on. Which leads to the inevitable question: How will the Africanized hives fare against Varroa? doug From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!auntystokes.larc.nasa.gov!young Wed May 4 21:28:56 EDT 1994 Article: 195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!auntystokes.larc.nasa.gov!young From: young@auntystokes.larc.nasa.gov (John Young) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More Varroa info from bee-l Date: 02 May 1994 21:27:52 GMT Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <2pvm0t$3av@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: auntystokes.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu's message of 1 May 1994 07:33:49 GMT In article <2pvm0t$3av@news.acns.nwu.edu> pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: >From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Date: 1 May 1994 07:33:49 GMT >Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL >Keywords: Varroa, mite > >Has anyone ever seen Varroa mites on a queen bee? If not, anyone care to >venture any guesses as to why? > >Regards, >Paul >-- >Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) >Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 >Ward Bldg. Box 213 >Chicago, IL 60611 Yes... I observed varroa on a queen in my observation hive last summer. :-( JY -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John E. Young Internet: j.e.young@larc.nasa.gov Analytical Services & Mat'ls, 107 Research Dr. Hampton, VA 23681-0001 All relevant disclaimers apply... From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear Wed May 4 21:28:57 EDT 1994 Article: 196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming? Date: 2 May 1994 22:07:38 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2q3tja$nan@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Warner Granade (jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote: : This morning when I checked my hive, there were about 100 bees above the : opening. I have never noticed them there previously. Is this a signal of : a possible swarm developing. I did notice that the bees were landing at : the rate of @5 per second. Apparently the hive is strong and busy. : -- : Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu : 804-924-7409 warner - if by "above the opening" you mean on the outside of the super above the opening, i have seen this when it is hot and humid (many hundreds of bees!). it did not lead to swarming. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov all disclaimers apply From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!uknet!EU.net!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user Wed May 4 21:28:58 EDT 1994 Article: 197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!uknet!EU.net!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long do I feed a new colony? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Mon, 02 May 1994 17:26:16 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , kcrady@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Kirk Crady) wrote: > > Hi all, > > I hope you'll take a minute or two to pass along some insights to a new > beekeeper. > > I've just installed two 3 lb. colonies of bees into hives in Virginia. > The bees went in last Wednesday afternoon, 4/13. Since then, they seem > to be consuming about a pint of 1:1 sugar syrup per day. > > I refilled the jars for the first time yesterday (Sunday). Each hive > has one half-gal. and one quart mason jar (3 qts.ttl.) placed as entrance > feeders. > > Do you think a third re-filling is necessary? The daily temps around here > are mid 70's and there seems to be a lot of dogwood, redbud and apple > trees blooming now. > > What kind of rule of thumb do you folks use? > > Thanks, > Kirk Crady > > kcrady@polaris.cv.nrao.edu sorry about the late response to this posting, but I haven't had time to wade through all my mail, etc. and just read this today. I keep feeding until the bees won't take any more - in my experience the bees prefer the natural stuff, and will stop taking the syrup once a sufficiently strong nectar flow is on. A second rule of thumb I have heard is to keep the syrup on until the first box is drawn out (assuming you started the packages on foundation), and you are placing the second deep hive body (we run two deeps around here for the main part of the hive, with any additional supers on above that available for harvesting honey). A final comment is that I very much prefer top feeding a colony as opposed to using entrance feeders. For top feeding, I place the feed jars on top of the inner cover (on top of a couple of sticks or whatever, so the bees can get to the feeding holes), place an old hive body around the feed jar, and an outer (telescoping) cover on top of the whole thing. I find that this system basically eliminates robbing that can occur with an entrance feeder. hope this helps. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!nessie!caj Wed May 4 21:28:59 EDT 1994 Article: 198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!nessie!caj From: caj@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Christine Jordan) Subject: moving bees Message-ID: <1994Apr29.122651.1446@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Sender: news@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Usenet News System) Organization: Manchester Computing Centre X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 12:26:51 GMT Lines: 25 Hello, I have a question to hobby beekeepers in other countries. Is it common to shift your bees around in search of a honey crop? We used to keep a few hives in Scotland, and the local amateurs used to combine every autumn to take their bees to the heather (Aug 14th was the traditional date, when the grouse shooting started). We never managed this (it was a fairly serious undertaking, and we usually had a local flow from the Rosebay Willow Herb (Fireweed?) and late raspberries to keep us going. (some people even talked of moving their hives away in spring, to avoid the oilseed rape. BTW Flax is the latest trend in farm crops, pretty flowers, any nectar?). Sadly a move to English suburbia has stopped our beekeeping for the moment, but I still find it a fascinating hobby. ------------ Christine Jordan caj@jb.man.ac.uk ------------------- In Cheshire, where the fruit trees are coming out, the rape is in flower, and sycamore nearly there. (and the swallows have arrived to eat our bees). From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.massey.ac.nz!manawatu.planet.co.nz!papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz!alan Wed May 4 21:29:03 EDT 1994 Article: 199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.massey.ac.nz!manawatu.planet.co.nz!papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz!alan From: alan@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz (Alan Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.new-zealand Subject: Re: BUMBLE BEES - please post a description of your local variety Date: 3 May 1994 01:34:16 GMT Organization: PlaNet Manawatu, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357-9245) Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q49mo$jr1@papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz> References: <2pt11b$lbd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> <1994May2.225435.2234@gaya.wcc.govt.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: papaioea.manawatu.planet.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:199 soc.culture.new-zealand:15836 In article <1994May2.225435.2234@gaya.wcc.govt.nz>, mdh@gaya.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes: |> Just as well you didn't tempt fate - I have heard of people who have been |> stung, while under the false impression that they were stingless. They only sting when _really_ provoked, however they have amazingly powerful (& quite sharp) jaws and will nip hard enough to draw blood if handled incorrectly. (Correctly = don't grab their wings or legs, they don't like it) It's really an interesting experience to have a very warm fuzzy insect sitting in your palm & they generally appreciate the heat from your hands on a cold wet day :-) (well, they don't try biting anyway) At one place we lived we had to put nets over the beans as the little buggers would bite into the base of the flowers to get at the nectar, ruining the crop. -- AB alan@manawatu.planet.co.nz == alan@manawatu.gen.nz <> brown_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zl2tnm!gaya!mdh Wed May 4 21:29:06 EDT 1994 Article: 200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!bnrgate!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zl2tnm!gaya!mdh Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.australia Subject: Re: BUMBLE BEES - please post a description of your local variety Message-ID: <1994May2.225435.2234@gaya.wcc.govt.nz> From: mdh@gaya.wcc.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) Date: 2 May 94 22:54:35 +1200 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.new-zealand References: <2pt11b$lbd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> Distribution: world Organization: Wellington, New Zealand Lines: 34 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu soc.culture.new-zealand:15837 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:200 In article <2pt11b$lbd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, johns@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Savage) writes: > I have been interested in the discussion on Bumble Bees, more so to find out > that there are different types. I didn't know ANY lived in colonies. The bumble bee in New Zealand is, like the honey bee, introduced from the Northern Hemisphere. They live in colonies. > > In Australia, there are no bumble bees of any description. Our native bees > are tiny, and usually mistaken for little flies. "Although relatively common, native bees are often small and do not live in large colonies as the introduced bees do." (Natural History of New Zealand, by Nic Bishop). There are about 40 species of native bee. > > Once, while reclining in a sundrenched garden in New Zealand, my quiet > reverie was interrupted by a penetrating drone that approached nearer and > nearer. Anxiously seeking the source of the sound, I was amazed to behold a > huge canary-yellow bee industriously visiting flower heads in determined, > methodical succession. In size, it resembled a pickled olive with tiny wings > - I was astonished that such an ungainly-proportioned craft could execute > these deft aerobatic manoeuvers to land and feed on wavering petal platforms. > > I believe it to be of solitary habit, and with no sting; though I chose not > to tempt fate all the same. Just as well you didn't tempt fate - I have heard of people who have been stung, while under the false impression that they were stingless. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ Martin D. Hunt Disclaimer: Don't take too much notice of the above / \ Wellington message - I'm not sure if I agree with it myself. |\/ .\ New Zealand martinh@gaya.wcc.govt.nz |/ \ / -------------------------------------------------------------------- \/ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!dante.exide.com!dante.exide.com!rogerc Wed May 4 21:29:07 EDT 1994 Article: 201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!dante.exide.com!dante.exide.com!rogerc From: rogerc@dante.exide.com (Roger Chen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long do I feed a new colony? Date: 3 May 1994 13:09:45 GMT Organization: Exide Electronics Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q5iep$34m@dante.exide.com> References: <2plob4$7r9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: inferno.exide.com I too have heard that entrance feeders will cause a potential problem of robbing, but my question is: wouldn't this only be a problem in an apiary, or if your colony was in close proximity to other hives or swarms? I maintain only one hive in my back yard here in Raleigh, and I'm fairly sure there are no other beekeepers in my neighborhood, although I couldn't be as sure about swarms. How great are the risks of entrance feeding for a one-hive apiary? - RogerC@Exide.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!jwg2y Wed May 4 21:29:08 EDT 1994 Article: 202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!jwg2y From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) Subject: swarming? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 21:36:56 GMT Lines: 9 This morning when I checked my hive, there were about 100 bees above the opening. I have never noticed them there previously. Is this a signal of a possible swarm developing. I did notice that the bees were landing at the rate of @5 per second. Apparently the hive is strong and busy. -- Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu 804-924-7409 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng Wed May 4 21:29:10 EDT 1994 Article: 203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More Varroa info from bee-l Date: 1 May 1994 07:33:49 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2pvm0t$3av@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu Keywords: Varroa, mite Has anyone ever seen Varroa mites on a queen bee? If not, anyone care to venture any guesses as to why? Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) Northwestern University Medical School, MSTP-1 Ward Bldg. Box 213 Chicago, IL 60611 From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:29:16 EDT 1994 Article: 204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Propolis? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2p0guc$85@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> <2pgdil$66p@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2pkra3$594@rainbow.sosi.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:33:46 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:204 alt.religion.kibology:29281 > >Your post has triggered the Flame-Bot... > > >----- Activate Flame-Bot ----- >----- End Flame-Bot ----- >-- >Tom Harington ------------ tph@sosi.com ----------- mechanist@aol.com > Engineer, Cybernetic Entomologist, Techno-Rat, H.P.L.D. >====================================================================== With all due respect, and in the spirit of usenet, I acknowledge your right to say what you want and when you want. Now that you have said your piece, and expressed yourself, and have been acknowledged, how about talking about beekeeping and bee-culture, bee hive products or maybe bee lore? Other subjects are not appropriate here and will only cause angst. Do you want to do this? Adam -- =============================================================================== Adam Finkelstein VDACS Apiary Inspector 116 Reservoir St Harrisonburg VA 22801 703-433-1006 (V) 703-434-5607 (Fax) 703-564-4394 (Pager) adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu |Bees To Please| ================================================================================ From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.mic.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!fido.asd.sgi.com!sgi!cdp!libby Wed May 4 21:29:18 EDT 1994 Article: 205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.mic.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!fido.asd.sgi.com!sgi!cdp!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 May 94 19:19 PDT Subject: Re: swarming? Message-ID: <-2145067295@cdp> References: Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 5 It was hot, I bet. When it is the bees frequently sit outside the heve to cool off. If your weather is anything like ours here in Philly, it's got cool again, and the bees are probably not "hanging out". Libby From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Wed May 4 21:29:20 EDT 1994 Article: 206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: hello Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. 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Adam :) -- ================================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| =========== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!world!moroney Wed May 4 21:29:22 EDT 1994 Article: 207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: "Yugo" Bee: Proper name? Message-ID: <2IonjaE96ZrF063yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 05:28:50 GMT Lines: 14 > From: mbgmg@seqnet.dl.ac.uk >I am from Slovenia and I > am a beekeeper as well. I would like to add few things about Yogoslavian bee. > This bee is actually Slovenian or more accuratelly (as its latin name say; Apis > melificera carnica) Carnian or Carniolian bee (Carnia is a part of Slovenia). The "Yugo bee" developed for mite resistance isn't any generic Carniolian bee. It is a specific _strain_ of (Carniolian? hybrid?) bee developed in the former Yugoslavia (don't know which part) that shows promise in mite resistance. It has only recently been brought to the US. We've had regular Carniolian bees and hybrids of them for quite a while. -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.kei.com!world!moroney Wed May 4 21:29:23 EDT 1994 Article: 208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: ANP Comb? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 05:34:54 GMT Lines: 7 Regarding fighting Varroa, ANP comb is claimed to fight varroa because the bees raised in them develop faster. Question: Does it work? And why do the bees develop faster in them? (The cells are normal sized at the top and wider at the bottom) Is it worth it (it costs $60+ plus frames per hive to replace all the brood frames in a 2 body hive) -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Wed May 4 21:29:25 EDT 1994 Article: 209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Bee Deterrent Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:08:39 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 30 I need a bee deterrent!!......strange words from a beekeeper maybe but ... How can I stop swarming bees coming back to the same place year after year. The place is my roof and the simple answer is better swarm control... but nature is a bitch and in each of the last three years I have had the same problem. Swarm control for me is based on a divide in May/ unite in July to go with strong colonies to heather moors in August. {Potential FAQ entry: Swarm control} However the season is forced by oilseed rape in early May; so keep colony together to maximise harvest, then split before they swarm, having broken down Q cells during the rape nectar flow. A some point the weather intervenes preventing the crucial control move. Next fine day and they are on the move at just the time you are ready to deal with them. Next thing divorce looms as they move into the roof with exploratory sorties to bedrooms etc. I have removed them from the roof space using various spelaeological manoeuvres and toxins and a vacuum cleaner but the dumb beasts never learn and back they come next year. (Yes I know that is an illogical statement but so what). It has been suggested that I spray the roof space that they go to with creosote to mask the "bee smell" . There must be a way to dissuade the scouts from believing my roof is the place to go. Any other suggestions ? Is there a commercially available preparation ? David P.S. Paul, feel free to reply but please remember that many of us are not organic chemist with laboratory facilities. E-mail may be more fire-resistant !! -- Dr David Lauckner Phone: 0670-521212 Wansbeck General Hospital Fax: 0670-529778 ASHINGTON, Northumberland e-mail: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk United Kingdom. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac Wed May 4 21:29:27 EDT 1994 Article: 210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!crcnis1.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cis.ksu.edu!mac From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Deterrent Date: 4 May 94 14:01:27 GMT Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) writes: >I need a bee deterrent!!......strange words from a beekeeper maybe but ... >How can I stop swarming bees coming back to the same place year after year. >The place is my roof.... Buy a can of "insulating foam" at your local hardware store and use it to seal the entrances to your attic spaces. That stuff foams up something fierce and can be used to plug small and large cracks in houses, holes in hollow trees, etc. --Myron. -- # Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, jury, witness, and cartridge. # Myron A. Calhoun, PhD EE; Assoc. Professor (913) 539-4448 home # INTERNET: mac@cis.ksu.edu 532-6350 work, 532-7353 fax # UUCP: ...rutgers!depot!mac Packet radio: W0PBV@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!blda Fri May 13 22:30:20 EDT 1994 Article: 232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!blda From: blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:African honeybees and varroa Message-ID: <1994May7.144240.4346@tower> Date: 7 May 94 14:42:40 -0500 Lines: 10 Regarding varroa and "Africanized" bees...I worked with honeybees in Zaire and varroa was never a problem. It is believed that the development rate of African bees keeps the population down (African bees develop faster than European stock). Barbara From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Jun 12 23:09:55 EDT 1994 Article: 9582 of misc.rural Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: misc.rural Subject: Re: Moving bee hives Date: 8 Jun 1994 13:16:39 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2t4gbn$l2n@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article , jchamber@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (John Chamberlain) says: > >I am a beginning beekeeper who has a chance to buy three working hives. >They are located about thirty miles from my place. I am looking for info >about moving them, such as time of day, preparing the hive, etc. > >Thanks >John > >-- >John Chamberlain jchamber@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >Edmonton Remote Systems Serving Edmonton/Northern Alberta since 1982 Move them in the evening when they are all back in the hive. Stop up the entrance with some cloth and they should be OK. The hives may be very heavy it may take two people to move them. Bees will cope with either a move of under a yard or over a mile. If you are moving them less than a mile away, they may fly back to their old site. Make sure the hive are secure in the car. It is very interesting to drive with a steadily increasing number of noisy passengers in the car. When you get to your new site just open up the entrance. They will start working next day as if nothing had happened. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news Mon Jul 4 00:07:44 EDT 1994 Article: 544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!news.london.sinet.slb.com!news.gatwick.sgp.slb.com!news From: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com (Karel Bokhorst) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apitherapy Information wanted Date: 27 Jun 1994 09:39:42 GMT Organization: Schlumberger Geco-Prakla Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2um6ou$j6k@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> References: Reply-To: bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: margana.gatwick.sgp.slb.com In article 2HJ@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) writes: > >Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:13:59 -0400 >From: Lynn Spagnesi >Subject: bee sting therapy > >Hello, >Does anyone reading this group have information on Bee Venom Therapy? (used to >treat arthritis and multiple sclerosis)? I have received hard copy information >from the Apitherical Society but am disapointed not to have found any >discussion in other listserv medical groups? >Any information would be GREATLY appreciated >Thank You - Lynn > >-- >================================================================================ > Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >=============================================== |Bees To Please| =========== I am interested in this information as well. Could any body please post instead of mailing the original poster. Thanks, Karel Bokhorst bokhorst@gatwick.sgp.slb.com From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!zola Mon Jul 4 00:07:46 EDT 1994 Article: 545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!zola From: zola@u.washington.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a non-bee person, all help appreciated. Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:47:21 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2un3b9$6dk@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Hello- I have two questions for anyone who cares to answer. a) My house has shingles on it, and in one particular section around the door to the balcony on the second floor I believe there are very large "bee hives". The quotes are because I am not sure there really *are* hives, or for that matter I am not entirely sure they are bees. This sounds goofy (and I am not an idiot, really!).... But these little guys don't look like usual bees. They are the shape of a honey bee (not a big bumble bee), but they are all black. They are not flies, they are not hornets (I am starting to sound like Dr. Seuss). They crawl between the shingles and dissappear - and they have about 5 favorite entry spots distributed on either side of the door. There are two areas they go into both of which are between the door and the windows and about 4 feet wide and 7 feet tall. They have been there for years, and I am afraid that one day the wall is going to collapse or they will start coming out inside of the house (aaaaaaaaugh). What does this sound like to you? They are not active in the winter, so far as I have seen. b) Are there any beekeepers in Western-ish Washington that would take another person along on bee-rounds sometime? I would really love to learn more in real-time (not only reading ....), but I know relatively little about beekeeping, and don't forsee a time when I could keep bees. But I am still interested ... Thanks, Rebecca From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!dale.ucdavis.edu!ez021641 Mon Jul 4 00:07:47 EDT 1994 Article: 546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!dale.ucdavis.edu!ez021641 From: ez021641@dale.ucdavis.edu (Son Trinh) Subject: Any hobbyist in SF?? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 20:51:37 GMT Lines: 9 Hi all, Just wondering if there are any hobbyist in SF?? I'm planning to start up 1 or 2 colonies in my backyard.. Would be nice to know there will be others.. -st Ps. Paul, don't EVEN think about flaming me.. ;P From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Mon Jul 4 00:07:48 EDT 1994 Article: 547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Apitherapy Information wanted Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Try The American Apitherapy Society, Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodville, New Hampshire 03785 Phone and fax: 603 747 2507 References: <2um6ou$j6k@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 18:41:22 GMT Lines: 4 -- ================================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| =========== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!moroney Mon Jul 4 00:07:49 EDT 1994 Article: 548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Questions from a non-bee person, all help appreciated. Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2un3b9$6dk@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 23:46:18 GMT Lines: 12 In article <2un3b9$6dk@news.u.washington.edu>, zola@u.washington.e wrote: > sounds goofy (and I am not an idiot, really!).... But these little guys > don't look like usual bees. They are the shape of a honey bee (not a big > bumble bee), but they are all black. They are not flies, they are not I once asked about a bee I spotted that looked like a honeybee but was all black. I was told it may be a carpenter bee. If yours are, they could be damaging your house. Are the wings dark, but still transparent? Do they have yellow hairs on the thorax? (same color yellow as the yellow hairs on a bumblebee) -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf Mon Jul 4 00:07:50 EDT 1994 Article: 549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Apitherapy Information wanted Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <2um6ou$j6k@gorgon.gatwick.sgp.slb.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:48:33 GMT Lines: 17 Sorry for the renduncy, but someone mailed me saying the last post's information didn't come through . If you got it already, excuse the repeat. Adam Try: The American Apitherapy Society, Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodville, New Hampshire 03785 Phone and fax: 603 747 2507 -- ================================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| =========== From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney Mon Jul 4 00:07:52 EDT 1994 Article: 550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Dual Occupancy Queen Cell Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 05:00:23 GMT Lines: 8 I was going through a hive with a few ripe queen cells (they wanted to swarm but I split the hive and removed the queen) which had a fully developed queen when I opened a couple. I noticed one that was a bit larger and may have been slightly crushed. When I opened it at the end I saw the tail end of what seemed to be a worker. When I opened it more I found both a worker and a queen, face to face, fully developed, and both dead. Any guesses how that came to be? -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney Mon Jul 4 00:07:53 EDT 1994 Article: 551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: How to entice bees to move? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: Distribution: na Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 05:15:54 GMT Lines: 28 In article , Keith Dorken wrote: > I have an old log house on my property that has two windows inhabited by > bees. They return on their own every spring. They just recently 'swarmed' > and are busy flying about. Apparently this has gone on for a number of years, > according to the previous owners. > > It is nice to have the bees around for the fruit trees, etc., but at some > point I hope to start fixing the old house, and the bees will have to go. > > Is it possible to convince them to move to a regular beekeeping hive? > How? I don't know what you mean by occupying a window, but it is usually rather difficult to remove bees from a building non-destructively. Usually the technique is to set up a one-way exit at the nest opening and a hive nearby for several weeks to take in the bees unable to return. If the window can be taken apart by a beekeeper, he can remove the comb and transfer them to a hive. > It is hard to believe the bees are able to overwinter in this house. It > is uninhabited, and unheated. The last winter was particularly cold here in > Ontario, Canada and I didn't expect to see them back. Or, is is possible that > some of the bees migrate and return in the spring ? As long as they have enough honey and bees, cold weather is actually better for them, at least according to an old-time beekeeper. They don't waste energy looking for non-existant food on the warmer winter days. -Mike From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!sandrock Mon Jul 4 00:07:54 EDT 1994 Article: 552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!sandrock From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reactions to bee stings Date: 30 Jun 94 01:54:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <94171.185540JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> <2u80ck$9ad@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aries.scs.uiuc.edu bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) writes: >If you know you are likely to get stung - as in >inspecting bees - take the antihistamine an hour before you go to them >if you think you need it. So what sort of anihistamine would you recommend, and how much of a difference does it make? And would it interfere with one's chances of becoming "immune" to bee-stings? Thanks to everyone for the informative contributions. Mark Sandrock -- Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, Chemical Sciences Computer Center Menschen durch die Liebe." 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 --Julius Langbehn Email: sandrock@uiuc.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!ilex.lle.rochester.edu!prine Mon Jul 4 00:07:55 EDT 1994 Article: 553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!ilex.lle.rochester.edu!prine From: prine@ilex.lle.rochester.edu (Ron Prine) Subject: Guard bees and ants Message-ID: <1994Jun30.025220.28055@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ilex.lle.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 02:52:20 GMT Lines: 27 I have recently started a hive and I have been having a great time watching them. This last weekend I noticed that some ants have been going into the hive by way of the inner cover. It does not appear that the ants are living up there, but they are after some honey. Is this something to worry about and is there something I can do to stop this, or should I just live with this as part of normal beekeeping. As to the guards, I noticed that they do patrol for the ants and do keep them from entering by bottom board entrance. My hive are set on cinder blocks and I have now noticed some guards taking positions on the ends of the block nearest to the hive entrance. They were doing a nice job of keeping the ants from coming up that way, but they are still coming up by the block in the back of the hive. (First hive notes) Checked brood, and this queen is doing one heck of a job laying. Row after row of laid eggs, with none skipped and every cell on frame used. Since this hive had all frames in use except for one that was untouched (on hot side of hive, move to cool side) I decided to move up addition of next super. They seemed to appreciate the room. Now I am waiting for the workers to get going (I figure there is about 10 days till they get out and about). Thanks for the help -- Ron Prine DoD #1435 prine@lle.rochester.edu From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!boulder!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!NewsWatcher!user Mon Jul 4 00:07:56 EDT 1994 Article: 554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!boulder!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!NewsWatcher!user From: eric@alaska.net (Eric) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are You A Dreamer Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Jun 1994 07:20:04 GMT Organization: Love, Peace, and Truth Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.17.140.108 Hi, Disclaimer: This is not a "Get Rich Quick" message. This business opportunity will take a little time, and it will grow as large as you want it to. It just depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it. Do you have a dream? I do. My dream is to become debt free, and have enough money to go down to the store and purchase what I will, without having to worry about writing a bad check. That is my dream. What's yours? A new car? A new computer? A little extra cash in your savings account? Well, let me say, I'm on my way to reaching my dream. Slowly, a little at a time, but my business is growing, and hopefully, if you would like more information, and care to create your own business, your dream will come true as well. Your business doesn't take a huge start-up fee, to begin with, it probably won't take up a lot of your time. But, as it grows, and you start to see some real earnings, then you won't have to worry about your "real" job. You can spend your time building ->your<- business, as well as having more time for the activities you enjoy doing. If you're interested in reaching your dream, please mail me at eric@alaska.net. Thanks for your time, -eric -- eric@alaska.net From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!eric.alaska.net!user Mon Jul 4 00:07:57 EDT 1994 Article: 555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!eric.alaska.net!user From: eric@alaska.net (Eric) Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are You A Dreamer? Date: 30 Jun 1994 19:28:19 GMT Organization: Love, Peace, and Truth Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.17.140.108 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.religion.misc:82792 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:555 Hi, Disclaimer: This is not a "Get Rich Quick" message. This business opportunity will take a little time, and it will grow as large as you want it to. It just depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it. Do you have a dream? I do. My dream is to become debt free, and have enough money to go down to the store and purchase what I will, without having to worry about writing a bad check. That is my dream. What's yours? A new car? A new computer? A little extra cash in your savings account? Well, let me say, I'm on my way to reaching my dream. Slowly, a little at a time, but my business is growing, and hopefully, if you would like more information, and care to create your own business, your dream will come true as well. Your business doesn't take a huge start-up fee, to begin with, it probably won't take up a lot of your time. But, as it grows, and you start to see some real earnings, then you won't have to worry about your "real" job. You can spend your time building ->your<- business, as well as having more time for the activities you enjoy doing. If you're interested in reaching your dream, please mail me at eric@alaska.net. Thanks for your time, -eric -- eric@alaska.net From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umd.edu!not-for-mail Mon Jul 4 00:07:58 EDT 1994 Article: 556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umd.edu!not-for-mail From: giannini@nova.umd.edu (Jodi Giannini) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reactions to bee stings Date: 30 Jun 1994 16:27:32 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2uv9rk$g1p@nova.umd.edu> References: <94171.185540JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> <2u80ck$9ad@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova.umd.edu My reaction is generally: 'Ow! Oo! $#(*$#)!' However, while I am not allergic to bee stings, my brother is deathly so, and we keep several bee sting kits around. (In the boat, in the house, etc) No one else in my family is allergic. Jodi G. -- Jodi Giannini (giannini@nova.umd.edu) "This parrot is DEAD!" "No 'e's not...'e's pining for the fjords..." (ask me about the rec.pets.birds faq) From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ceylon!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet Mon Jul 4 00:08:00 EDT 1994 Article: 557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ceylon!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Guard bees and ants Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 19:52:07 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1994Jun30.025220.28055@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1f.delphi.com X-To: Ron Prine Ron, this is one of the most common questions we get from beekeepers on our 800 number - In tropical countries, the ants can be a problem - up here in the North - they just coexist - often setting up colonies between the inner cover and the outer cover. They are after a cool dark place - not the honey - a queen rite colony never has any problem keeping them at bay. Just knock them off the inner cover everytime you open the hive. Your colony is doing fine - don't be afraid to feed them until 20 frames of foundation are drqa(drawn) - less foragers outside mean more laying inside - call us at 800-6323379 for a beekeeping catalogue - Bob From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!pipex!uknet!liv!lucs!bbeattie Mon Jul 4 00:08:01 EDT 1994 Article: 558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!pipex!uknet!liv!lucs!bbeattie From: bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) Subject: Re: Reactions to bee stings Sender: news@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk (News Eater) Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-User: bbeattie Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:33:35 GMT Lines: 28 References: <94171.185540JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> <2u80ck$9ad@news.acns.nwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kuban.csc.liv.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mark Sandrock (sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu) wrote: > bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) writes: > >If you know you are likely to get stung - as in > >inspecting bees - take the antihistamine an hour before you go to them > >if you think you need it. > So what sort of anihistamine would you recommend, and how much of a > difference does it make? I use a proprietary brand recommended by the local pharmacist - probably not the same name in other countries. I found it helped a lot when I first started keeping bees, reducing local swelling considerably; but every individual reacts differently. However, after a few year's experience with my bees, I find I don't get stung as much, and when I do, I don't react as much as I used to. Probably I've learned to handle them more sympathetically so they don't get so angry, and learned when not to push my luck! > And would it interfere with one's chances > of becoming "immune" to bee-stings? I don't know - have to ask a doctor. However, see above! :-) Bridget. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!ucdmc.ucdavis.edu!dharry Mon Jul 4 00:08:02 EDT 1994 Article: 559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!ucdmc.ucdavis.edu!dharry From: dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David J. Harry) Subject: Re: Guard bees and ants Message-ID: Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis References: <1994Jun30.025220.28055@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 16:40:24 GMT Lines: 21 >,... the ants can be a problem - >up here in the North - they just coexist - They may not be a problem in New York, but they are a *major* problem here in the Central Valley of CA. A bee colony can quickly become completely overrun by foraging ants. Eventually the bees will just leave! There was a discussion of this problem in the American Bee Journal some months ago. Some of the responses advocated treating the surrounding soil with oil, an environmentally unacceptable solution IMO. I personally deal with ants by placing my colonies on specially constructed benches. The legs are placed in small pails that I keep filled with 3-4 inches of water. This provides 100% protection from ants. Another effective method is to wrap aluminum foil around the legs of the benches and smear it with heavy grease. Incidently, if you decide to use the water pail method, make sure you build a small plywoood shelf that projects out from the front legs and prevents bees from falling into the front leg pails. You' d be surprised how many bees will be trapped when falling from the hive entrance, eventually leading to a smelly and unhygeinic mess. From bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!eric.alaska.net!user Mon Jul 4 00:08:03 EDT 1994 Article: 560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!eric.alaska.net!user From: eric@alaska.net (Eric) Newsgroups: alt.art.theft.scream.scream.scream,alt.autos.antique,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are You A Dreamer? Followup-To: alt.art.theft.scream.scream.scream Date: 3 Jul 1994 19:23:46 GMT Organization: Love, Peace, and Truth Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.17.140.108 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.art.theft.scream.scream.scream:51 alt.autos.antique:4478 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:560 Hi, Disclaimer: This is not a "Get Rich Quick" message. This business opportunity will take a little time, and it will grow as large as you want it to. It just depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it. Do you have a dream? I do. My dream is to become debt free, and have enough money to go down to the store and purchase what I will, without having to worry about writing a bad check. That is my dream. What's yours? A new car? A new computer? A little extra cash in your savings account? Well, let me say, I'm on my way to reaching my dream. Slowly, a little at a time, but my business is growing, and hopefully, if you would like more information, and care to create your own business, your dream will come true as well. Your business doesn't take a huge start-up fee, to begin with, it probably won't take up a lot of your time. But, as it grows, and you start to see some real earnings, then you won't have to worry about your "real" job. You can spend your time building ->your<- business, as well as having more time for the activities you enjoy doing. If you're interested in reaching your dream, please mail me at eric@alaska.net. Thanks for your time, -eric P.S. I will not respond within the newgroup so please e-mail all replies. Thank you. -- eric@alaska.net