From jwg6@cornell.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0705.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 16:49:09 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 45 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0705.cit.cornell.edu In article <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk>, geoff@butt.demon.co.uk wrote: > I have been careless in storing some buckets of solidified Oil Seed Rape > honey. Mice have got into a couple of buckets so that the honey cannot be > used for human consumption. > Is there any way I can make use of it for feeding bees? Bees seem to collect > water from some pretty repellant sources without compromising the quality of > the honey we collect. > - if they are storing in supers would any contamination go straight into the > honey harvest? > - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will > crystallise in the comb and be unusable. > Is there any alternative to disposing of it? > Thanks for any ideas, Geoff > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Geoff Butt > geoff@butt.demon.co.uk > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Geoff- I had this happen where a drum lid was not sealed down and HUNDREDS of wasps got into the honey and drowned. By the time i discovered this the lot of it was granulated solid (aster/goldenrod honey). The granulation could be your salvation. I was able, since the honey was solid, to scrape off the top layers with a trowel and scrape the honey with wasp body parts into a smaller container. I kept removing honey from the drum until there was no more evidence of the wasps. I liquefied the contaminated honey, strained it and fed it back the next spring, when the bees would utilize it immediately. It amounted to several pounds. So carefully follow this method (you'll probably have to experiment to find the best tool and manner of "scraping") until you see NO additional evidence left from the mice. THen take out a little more for good measure. Since it was rape honey it was probably granulated solid well before the mice got in, so they could not have contaminated the honey underneath. Then liquefy the honey up to say 140/150 degrees and strain it while hot through a good fine strainer (unused cotton diaper material, separated to just one or two thicknesses works well, or a triple layer of womens' hose; you can buy white like worn by nurses). You will salvage the majority of the honey easily this way. Worse things have happened, so don't worry! I'm glad you are being so consciencious - some folks wouldn't even think twice about the consumer, & would sell it without making sure it was okay. Good luck, joel From 74362.2746@CompuServe.COM Tue Jun 18 09:59:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Publications Date: 3 Jun 1996 22:38:16 GMT Organization: Triplett Electric Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", "Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. Mike Triplett 74362.2746@compuserve.com From PFVH53B@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: PFVH53B@prodigy.com (John Lisiecki) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MI - Beekeeping Hardware Date: 4 Jun 1996 01:34:18 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p03qq$15g2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Looking for a local beekeeping supply dealer, located in the SE Michigan area. Any help would be appreciated. John L. From ch90033@central.ntua.gr Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!news.ntua.gr!news.central.ntua.gr!not-for-mail From: ch90033@central.ntua.gr (Nik.Tsoukas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harmless pesticides? Date: 31 May 1996 15:10:34 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.central.ntua.gr X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Hello all, I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving the hives unaffected? And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? Thanks, Nick Tsoukas -- \\/// (o-o) +------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------+ | Nick Tsoukas.. Chemical Eng. Dep.- N.T.U.A | |---------------------------+--------------------| | japetus | Merlin 3, | | ntsoukas@chemeng.ntua.gr | GR-106 71 ATHENS | | ch90033@central.ntua.gr | tel: (30-1)3635652 | From bbaker@iafrica.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!pipex-sa.net!iafrica.com!slipper19511.iafrica.com!bbaker From: bbaker@iafrica.com (David Barras-Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South African Farming Estate Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:04:59 Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 123 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slipper19511.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] South African Farming Estate Dear Sirs James Macgregor is retiring shortly and therefore for the first time in 72 years this magnificent South African farming estate is for sale: Located in the beautiful Eastern Transvaal lowveld 30 mins drive from the internationally famous Kruger National Park. A mere ten minutes drive from White River (the closest town) and fifteen minutes to the Country Club which boasts a championship 18 hole Golf Course. Name: - Lochaber Estates Heidelberg Valley White River Mphumalanga South Africa Contact: James Macgregor Telephone: +27 13 751-2711 Fax: +27 13 751-2711 (request fax line) Postal Address: PO Box 186 White River 1240 Mphumalanga South Africa Size: - 520 Hectares History: - Purchased in 1922 by Col. Norman Eaton Macgregor. Developed into a flourishing citrus and citrus nursery estate. Currently owned and managed by James Mohr Macgregor. The primary crop currently produced is tobacco. Secondary crops include maize, dried sugar beans and 13,000 macadamia trees under micro-irrigation. 100 hectares of timber (saligna). A herd of 120 head of cattle is also ranched on the estate. Irrigation: - Irrigation water supplied by canal system from Witklip Dam; capacity 13.2 million Cubic Metres - 200 hectares scheduled - 9 irrigation electric pumping stations - underground piping on 150 hectares - 2 boreholes for main houses Buildings: - 19 bulk curing tobacco barns 2 large storage and sorting sheds 1 roller mill for maize meal 40 simplex units for farm labourers 1 fully equipped farm workshop 8 storerooms Schools: - 1 pre-school (crèche) 25 children 1 primary school (100 Children) Housing: - Main Homestead (500 square metres) - magnificent colonial style family home set in breathtaking scenic surroundings. - 6 bedrooms - 3 bathrooms - fully fitted kitchen and pantry - 2 Lounges - 2 Dining rooms - large covered patio surrounding front area of the home - fully equipped laundry block - swimming pool & pool house - tennis court - covered garages for 7 vehicles - home/woodworking workshop Large Managers Home - swimming pool - large garden - 3 bedrooms - separate self contained cottage Forman's cottage - 2 bedrooms - bathroom - lounge - dining room/kitchen Office - fully equipped with strongroom and safe etc. - telephone, fax and computer facilities Vehicles: - 9 tractors 2 LDV's 2 VW Golf cars 1 3.5 ton truck 3 motorcycles Equipment: - 7 trailers - 2 ploughs - 3 discs - 1 planter - 2 threshers - 2 generators Asking Price: US$1.6 million (negotiable) For further information contact: James or Joan Macgregor Telephone: +27 13 751-2711 Fax: +27 13 751-2711 (request fax line) Postal Address: PO Box 186 White River 1240 Mphumalanga South Africa From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!yama.mcc.ac.uk!liv!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stings/lavender oil Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 12:04:52 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) I got a couple of stings on Saturday; they usually come up in quite a large hard bump and are uncomfortable for a week or so. The person I was with suggested putting lavender oil on the site of the sting, and this seems to have controlled it completely. Was this just chance, or has anyone else had this experience? Alan From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: 4 Jun 1996 14:26:48 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4p1h39$fsc@news.sandia.gov> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: 74362.2746@CompuServe.COM The phone #'s requested: Bee Culture (by the A.I.Root Company) 1-800-289-7668 ext. 3220 FAX (330)725-5624 email: bculture@aol.com American Bee Journal (by Dadant) (217)847-3324 could not find a 1-800 # FAX (217)847-3660 Walter T. Kelly 1-800-233-2899 for credit card orders (502)242-2012 FAX (502)242-4801 Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail >address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any >other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", >"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. > >Mike Triplett >74362.2746@compuserve.com From pkt@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where have the bees gone? Date: 4 Jun 1996 14:28:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca24-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 04 9:28:54 AM CDT 1996 I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I remember seeing in years past. Has something happened to the bee population? From wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ptd.net!news From: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank Warner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have the bees gone? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:58:03 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4p24u7$595@ns2.ptd.net> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs3-15.con.ptd.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) wrote: >I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" >insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my >personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I >remember seeing in years past. >Has something happened to the bee population? Apparently the mites have had some ill effect on feral honey bees. Frank From bbirkey@interaccess.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 15:01:36 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31B49621.193C@interaccess.com> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d184.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Michael W. Triplett wrote: > > Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail > address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any > other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", > "Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. > > Mike Triplett > 74362.2746@compuserve.com The number for Dadant to get the "American Bee Journal" is: 1-800-637-7468. -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL. USA bbirkey@interaccess.com From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers/arthritus Date: 4 Jun 1996 20:36:19 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does venom have a documented therapeutic affect? If so, why are pharmacy companies not going after as much bee venom as the possibly can? Thanks, Mike From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers/arthritus Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:49:15 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, Michael A Chambers writes >It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does >venom have a documented therapeutic affect? > >If so, why are pharmacy companies not going after as much bee venom as >the possibly can? > >Thanks, >Mike > I suggest that you take a look at http://www.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html There is some information about "Bee Venom Therapy" there. Good luck, -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From WCPX60A@prodigy.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: WCPX60A@prodigy.com (Justin Diener) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey flows in California's Central Valley Date: 4 Jun 1996 22:53:54 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p2eq2$eqi@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.45 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I've kept bees here for two years and I have yet to see any major flows in this area. I have had bees on safflower, cotton, and mesquite but I haven't seen the production like you hear of from the midwest. Comments are appreciated. Thank you. From bermshot@ix.netscape.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Parts Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:24:41 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <31B4EFE9.5EED@ix.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca68-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 04 7:21:59 PM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I just received the body for a hive with 3 supers and was wondering if anybobody could direct me to a cheap source of wax and frames, as well as a smoker, etc..... I might also need some bees, so if anybody knows of a good place to order let me know. I live in San Jose California Mike bermshot@ix.netcom.com From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees ignoring sugar syrup Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:39:54 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31B5018A.7D72@his.com> References: <9605312057292077@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Pardon my uneducatedness, but I'm gathering info and equipment to start hives next spring. What sort of sugar syrup do you feed the bees? Is plain cane sugar sufficient, or is corn sugar better? mailto:jdalexa@his.com John Alexander/Beltsville, MD From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:48:04 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31B50374.63EA@his.com> References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) I have been careless in storing some buckets of solidified Oil Seed Rape honey. Mice have got into a couple of buckets so that the honey cannot be used for human consumption. Is there any way I can make use of it for feeding bees? Bees seem to collect water from some pretty repellant sources without compromising the quality of the honey we collect. - if they are storing in supers would any contamination go straight into the honey harvest? - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will crystallise in the comb and be unusable. Is there any alternative to disposing of it? Thanks for any ideas, Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff, I'm very new to the bee scene - not having started hives yet, but I find your high standards to be an example to all. You are someone to look up to and emulate. Keep up the good work and good luck John Alexander From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees ignoring sugar syrup Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:34:37 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31B59AFD.5A01@umich.edu> References: <9605312057292077@beenet.com> <31B5018A.7D72@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) John Alexander wrote: > > Pardon my uneducatedness, but I'm gathering info and equipment to > start hives next spring. > What sort of sugar syrup do you feed the bees? Is plain cane sugar > sufficient, or is corn sugar better? Generally, in early spring or to get package bees started, use cane sugar:water::1:1 (by weight). In the fall, to supplement stores and to feed Fumadil, use cane sugar:water:2:1. From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have the bees gone? Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:42:24 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31B59CD0.5911@umich.edu> References: <31B41854.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> <4p1h76$fam@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <4p24u7$595@ns2.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Frank Warner wrote: > > pkt@ix.netcom.com(Pat ) wrote: > > >I am not a scientist, but have always been fascinated with the "good" > >insects such as bees. My question for you experts is based on my > >personal observation that there don't seem to be as many bees as I > >remember seeing in years past. > > >Has something happened to the bee population? > > Apparently the mites have had some ill effect on feral honey bees. This is quite an understatement! In most of the country, varroa mites have completely wiped out all traces of the wild (feral) honeybee colonies. In addition, they have devastated apiaries of many beekeepers, who have sustained losses in the 50-90% (or more) range this last autumn and winter. Ted Fischer From bmoon@pacbell.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!usenet From: Moon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumblebee hive Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:01:04 -0700 Organization: A customer of Pacific Bell Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-170-4.scrm01.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PBWE (Win95; I) Today while weeding out our flower beds (SEVERELY overgrown), I started noticing bumble bees flying towards one of our rose bushes, and disappearing into the ground. It turns out their hive is in the middle of our flower bed. Should I be worried about rooting around near the hive? Is there any way of us getting along there together, am I going to get in a tangle with them if I keep weeding around their hive, or is there anyone in northern california who wants to have an observation hive of bumblebees (as mentioned earlier in the newsgroup)? I don't really want to kill these guys, but it does make me a tad bit nervous to be sitting a few feet from the hive and digging in the ground. thanks! Kristy From nobody@nowhere.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!news.myna.com!dh-1 From: nobody@nowhere.com (Nobody in Particular) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 20:46:47 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dh-1.rn1.myna.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone point me in the right direction?? /sb From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite workshops I have known Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 14:12:54 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <1779DC7E6S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu I mail off-list my thanks to Andy for posting the August 10 Mite Workshop announcement and included my notes on a presentation I attended at the Worcester County Beekeepers Association this April. Andy encouraged me to post them to this list, so what the hey?! Any errors in content are mine, I can't write as fast as the speaker could talk! /Aa >---------------------------< Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree Addresses Worcester County Beekeepers I had the pleasure of attending the April 13 meeting of the Worcester County Beekeepers Association where Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree of the University of Guelph in Ontario spoke about Canadian Beekeeping and mites as a vector in spreading viruses in bees. The "Canadian Beekeeping" presentation was very informative, but my main interest (and that of the more than 100 attend- ing beekeepers) was in hearing what Dr. Scott-Dupree had to say about the mites. The conundrum faced by bee researchers is that it's easy to blame bees' demise on V-mites or T- mites or both, but the truth of the matter is that although we know mites are here, scientists aren't sure what exactly is the cause of bee pathology based on the effect of the mites' presence. The focus of current research is on how the mites may act as vectors in spreading the approximately twenty identified bee viruses, which are hard to identify in the field and whose symptoms may appear as common infectious diseases, hence being easily misidentified. Studies done by Drs. Dupree and Brenda Ball (in the UK) have indicated that with the stock of bees tested in their studies, there ap- pears to be no correlation between tracheal mites and honeybee viruses. This is the good news, which could lead one to conclude that although tracheal mites are a problem not to be overlooked, the threat is not as nefarious as that posed by varroa mites, which did exhibit a significant cor- relation in the spread of chronic bee paralysis virus types one and two, hairless black bee virus, Kashmir bee virus, black queen cell virus and others. It is important to note that many of these viruses are present in a hive environment in all stages of bee development as non-damaging pathogens. However it is perhaps the manner in which varroa feed on honeybees that activates the viruses, helping them to flour- ish to the detriment of the colony population. In the meantime while scientists continue to search for an- swers and solutions to the mite problems we beekeepers need to manage our bees to reduce stressors as much as possible to help them remain healthy. This includes using approved medications such as Fumidil-B for nosema and Terramycin for foulbrood, and approved treatments to combat mites, which include grease patties, menthol and Apistan. Of course one must always follow the directions when using these treat- ments to avoid contaminating the honey to be harvested. In these mite infested times a beekeeper may have to forego some of the honey crop in order to treat their bees in con- formance with label instructions. The mites have made keep- ing bees a whole new ball game and new management techniques need to be developed to keep beekeepers from striking out. From skyscape@mail.mts.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!worldlinx.com!top.mts.net!usenet From: Skyscape Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contaminated Cargill Syrup Date: 6 Jun 1996 01:59:02 GMT Organization: MTS Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p5e16$11fo@top.MTS.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wnklts03-p03.mts.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, I'm new posting to this newsgroup. I am looking for any other people or information as per contaminated syrup from Cargill. We lost 75% of bees and have got the cold shoulder from Coop and Cargill. Has anyone else had this problem? Matt Tubil From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:50:42 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu> References: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Nobody in Particular wrote: > > Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it > does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone > point me in the right direction?? > > /sb Did you try "The Hive and the Honeybee"? I believe that there is a small section on royal jelly collection in that volume. If I remember correctly, it involves crowding small hives of one hive body so that they are in a super-swarming mode, then entering the hive weekly to discard the queen larvae and pipette out the royal jelly that is secreted into the still open queen cells. Since royal jelly is a high protein substance, it ought to be frozen or freeze dried for preservation. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEST QUALITY MEXICAN HONEYBUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN MEXICO*********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606060739592092@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 65 ***************************The easiest way to make contact and business with Me ican companies *TRADE CONTACTS* ---------------------------------------- From: MEXICO CONTACT Subject: BEST QUALITY MEXICAN HONEY BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IN MEXICO **************************************** The easiest way to make contact and business with Mexican companies COMPANY PROFILE: Nectar de Campeche SA de CV PRODUCT CHARACTERISTICS:Honey of the highest quality. 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Lehmann, Ph.D.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeepers/arthritus - let's see data, not hype Date: 6 Jun 1996 15:48:06 GMT Organization: Medical College of Ohio Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.247.30.78 In article <4p26o3$fg1@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) wrote: > It seems like beekeeping and arthritus are not found together. Does > venom have a documented therapeutic affect? > On what basis do you say that beeking and arthritis don't go together? Where are the data? At any event, I expect many of those keepers who develop arthritis will stop keeping bees. Lehmann@opus.mco.edu Medical College of Ohio From steven@idma.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!news.zeitgeist.net!usenet From: steven@idma.com (Steven Katz) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter bees? Date: 6 Jun 1996 15:59:31 GMT Organization: IDMA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4p6v93$r1s@kadath.zeitgeist.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.idma.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:5374 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4567 Big, black, bee-like insects have begun burrowing holes in the wood overhang of my house. I've been told that they are carpenter bees. What should I do to get rid of them and keep them away? Please copy replies to me. -Steven From pat.w@zetnet.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: pat.w@zetnet.co.uk (Patrick Woodward) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:40:15 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4p7ga0$1u6@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <833770007snz@butt.demon.co.uk> geoff butt writes: > - if I feed it in the Autumn there is presumably a risk that it will > crystallise in the comb and be unusable. > Is there any alternative to disposing of it? I've got about 250lbs of crystallised honey in combs - The bees seem happy to feed on it in spring, when they can get out for water. The rest goes into a solar wax extractor and then on to make mead - I don't like the stuff, but it gets rid of the honey! Pat Woodward pat.w@zetnet.co.uk From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: LA "KILLER BEE" HYPE Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042095@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 92 Today's 6-6-96 San Francisco Chronicle continues the hype of the Africanized "killer bee" by running a story from the LA Daily News on how the LAPD is receiving "killer bee" training with no special bee equipment but the leg's issued by God to man so they can run, and run is what they are expected to do. "When the bee does arrive, Los Angeles has to be prepared." according to Michael Pearson, an Africanized honeybee specialist for the county's agricultural commissioner. Officers are being trained to respond to the many 911 calls they expect to get as the "killer bees" attack and sting Los Angeleno's as many a 1,500 times in characteristic mass attacks that have killed two people in Arizona and two in Texas since their arrival in the late 80's to Texas from Mexico and now in California entering from Arizona via train sometime in October 1994 according to an earlier story. LA agricultural officials do not know how long it will take the bees to reach Los Angeles from Riverside County, where they attacked one or two people last year. But they estimated that it would take more than a year. (A little faster hitch hiking by train.) Well all this is good some will say, but I would guess that since the so called Africanized Killer Bee's have entered the US and killed 4 people, (which is a number that is in dispute), that the good old gentle European honeybee has been responsible for ten times that number of deaths, few which merit mention in the major newspapers. You say what the harm if every police department learns how to handle bees...for one thing they don't have the equipment, and of course will have to buy it...not that old bee veil you use...or the white coveralls... heck NO..how about the super duper bee-bullet proof, insulated, cooled, throwaway kind..you know the one that will add a thousand bucks per man to the budget, and then there's the special Bee Swat Team trucks a la Texas style, and on and on, an $$. So it will cost money, but thats just the beginning..give a cop a ticket book and he is expected to write tickets, give a cop a bee veil with a gun and he will shoot it off...hum.. there goes a suspected beekeeper now, bet he's got "killer bees", you can tell by the old truck he drives.......STOP or I will *BANG* shoot. Darn missed the bees but sure put a hole in the guys truck,,,oh darn just another California Certified Afro FREE Beekeeper. Too bad about the hole in your truck buddy,..hay guy I would get your helper to a hospital he looks bad with all that blood running out of his head...."You know we have "killer bees" in this area, and I've been trained to spot them"...it's a dirty job, but I can do it. Now I am sure some of you will condemn me for writing the above, but let me tell you the training these policemen are receiving is no better then the above, with their own video dramatization of the police running away from a swarms of bees, and worse, half truths about these so called "killer bees" and the danger to the public from them in the US, which is no grater according to those who are not in the bee hype business then any other bees, also from some with new regrets they were once caught up in the "killer bee" hype. But then if they are, (killer bees), whats the difference, how long do any of you believe you will be keeping bees after yours kill your neighbor or his kids even if you are a certified beekeepers and have seen every training film ever made? I can assure you that if the killer bees were indeed different and killed the hundreds or thousands in South America there would be no South American beekeepers, or their families, left to keep bees, let alone their beehives, as they would have been killed, burned, or driven out to revenge the first deaths in any rural village I know about in SA. But here we are more civilized, we will only sue you to death if your bees start killing my family. My solution, let the beekeeper's keep the bees, let the police keep the peace. Tell you local police department you will pick up swarms. If you are in a "killer bee" zone, charge them $150, demand police barricades to keep the public away, and 5 million in insurance before you put out that swarm bee box, (if you think you can get it). Or just do as we have been doing,...always have done..the best you can. Yeh, "killer" bees, I got them, heck, had em for years, they are no different from any other bees I have, well maybe a little hotter to handle, but then I am a beekeeper and thats my job, and if my bee's could kill I would have died long ago as I am the favoured target of my own bees. (And every bee regulator that has slimed this earth.) ttul OLd Drone BTW-Check your local bee regulations, as some areas may require a special ($) permit before you can pick up swarms or may require all swarms be destroyed by a licensed pest control person using only approved chemicals. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The Spider and the Bee. Fable x. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harmless pesticides? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042096@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> Lines: 26 C>From: ch90033@central.ntua.gr (Nik.Tsoukas) >Subject: harmless pesticides? C>Hello all, > I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying >some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. >Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving >the hives unaffected? > And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? Hi Nick, Need more info in the caterpillars..but if its only a few peanut "trees" you may be able to use some form of DIPEL, which is a bacillus that should not harm honeybees. Or if they are really trees with a central trunk you could use sticky paper rap or paint, but depends on what caterpillars you have and if they are hatching in the peanuts or coming >from outside. How many peanut trees do you have? As for the ants, unless they are some kind of problem, best left alone, but dust the nests if can find them with dusting grade sulfur, and or band around the bee hive with it and/or the trees. Don't get it on the leaves if you are not sure if it will burn them or not. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kinds of Hives Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 02:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606070407042097@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 67 *Ripped off the BEE-List, Good Info on Bee Hives. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Clark of AGF 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:17:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Kinds of Hives A remarkable hive design, with significance for ancient beekeeping, is the clay pot used for hundreds of years (and still) in Crete. It is used upright (like a large flower pot) and has moveable-combs as a result of top bars laid over the opening. I think pots with a similar design have been found in ruins (Knosus?) dating from 1000 B.C. I attended the Apimondia meeting in Athens (1985?) where there was a display which included a few examples. Since I was travelling to Crete, I made a point of asking about any working bee yards. The quest and touring was an interesting combination of objectives, and lead to several dead ends miles off the beaten path. I found several interesting modern apiaries, and once was shown a remnant of one of the skeps, cast aside near the apiary, used by a beekeeper's grandfather. I finally found an excellent example of the clay skeps near a village on the south coast: a bee yard carved out of the hillside, perhaps decades ago, with twenty or so live colonies, all in the clay hives. The beekeeper (in his 70's) and his wife lived in the village about 3 km away. Unfortunately the language barrier limited our conversation, and it was too hot for him to consider visiting the yard, but I was able to observe the colonies over a couple of days. The total volume of the pots (each slightly different) was about the same as 2 standard North American boxes. The colonies in the hot dry September were very weak in my experience (occupying maybe 6 frames). Honey harvest was accomplished by cutting off lower edges of comb, bringing them home in a pot, chopping them in a colander covered with cheesecloth and draining the honey. A jar of such honey would indeed be precious. The hive tool was a larger version similar to the standard ones, except the straight end had a sort of fork, for spearing and retreiving pieces of comb that had fallen to the bottom of the pot. The entrance for the bees was a horizontal slot less than 10 cm long, at the base of the hive. Some of the hives had a cross inscribed above the entrance. The pots had 2 "ears" for handholds, although I think they likely stayed in the same place for decades. The top bars were hand hewn from branches of appropriate size (wider than a top bar) but there were no spacers, and the top bars contacted each other to form (mor or less) an inner cover. The hive cover was a 6 inch layer of grape vine prunings, covered with a slab of slate. The beeyard was surrounded by a rough wall of rocks. At the entrance (I don't remember a gate) was a post with an old ram's skull mounted at the top (I heard that this was a defense against the "evil eye"). There was an olive tree for shade, and some clay dishes of water with flat corks, allowing the bees to gather water. In the rush of travel I had to leave, and knew I had missed much of the significance of this glimpse at the roots of apiculture. Whenever I think of the visit, I wonder whether that living example of ancient beekeeping is still there. Pleasant memories. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do From Lord-Binkley@myna.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!uniserve!n2van.istar!van.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!news.myna.com!dh-29 From: Lord-Binkley@myna.com (Scott Binkley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Extraction Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:53:46 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4p9q25$fbg@melon.myna.com> References: <4p4rel$gjn@melon.myna.com> <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dh-29.rn2.myna.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <31B6E232.2C52@umich.edu>, "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: >Nobody in Particular wrote: >> >> Of all the books I can find, they only talk about royal jelly, and what it >> does for the bees. Never do they explain how it is extracted. Can anyone >> point me in the right direction?? >> >> /sb >Did you try "The Hive and the Honeybee"? I believe that there is a small section on royal >jelly collection in that volume. If I remember correctly, it involves crowding small hives >of one hive body so that they are in a super-swarming mode, then entering the hive >weekly to discard the queen larvae and pipette out the royal jelly that is secreted into the >still open queen cells. Since royal jelly is a high protein substance, it ought to be frozen >or freeze dried for preservation. That seems VERY labour intensive. How do they do it commercially? Do they just go to asia, and get cheap labour to do it?? /sb From dsturisky@dttus.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd18-229.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 85 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 Hi, I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. Can you help. Thanks From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: harmless pesticides? Date: 4 Jun 1996 15:23:35 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4p1kdn$4hf@hubcap.clemson.edu> References: <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: ch90033@central.ntua.gr's message of 31 May 1996 15:10:34 GMT In <4on25a$b91@zeus.central.ntua.gr> ch90033@central.ntua.gr writes: > Hello all, > I am having a big problem with caterpillars which are detroying > some peanut trees that I have. The problem is that I have 3 hives nearby. > Is there any pesticide that could get rid of the caterpillars, yet leaving > the hives unaffected? > And what about the ants; how can I get rid of a nearby ant nest? > Thanks, > Nick Tsoukas Nick: Anything with BT or BTi (Bacillus thuringiensis or B. thuringiensis var. isrealensis should be fine for caterpillars and relatively harmless to bees. Follow the label. For the ants I'd suggest a bait of some kind, either commercially prepared or home-made. First you'll have to figure out what the ants like to eat (sugars or proteins and fats) so that you can give them something they'll eat. Good luck, C From drewbear@i-link.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.i-link.net!usenet From: drewbear@i-link.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: St. Louis apiary? Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 23:41:48 -0700 Organization: I-Link Inc Lines: 5 Message-ID: <31B920AC.7CEB@i-link.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: austin-2-2.i-link.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Can anyone recommend an apiary in the St. Louis, MO area, or give me information on how I could find such? I'm interested in fresh, untreated honey. Thanks. From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr6ip47.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:00:13 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr6ip47.azstarnet.com Keywords: bumblebees, flight X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> writes: >From: >Subject: Bumblebees >Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT >Hi, >I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. >Can you help. Well, not exactly - - - but if you are referring to the old saw about "the scientist proves the bumblebee cannot fly, but the bee doesn't know, so keeps on flying", I might. It's my understanding that this saying was based on an early aerodynamics paper published in the 20's or 30's, in which the mathematics were based on a rigid wing for the bee. Too bad, because the bee's wing cups in flight, giving more lift. Your USDA in action, on my own time and computer, John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr6ip47.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumblebee hive Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:15:51 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr6ip47.azstarnet.com Summary: Buzzzzz X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <31B5AF40.27FD@pacbell.net> Moon writes: >From: Moon >Subject: bumblebee hive >Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:01:04 -0700 >noticing bumble bees flying towards one of our rose bushes, >Should I be worried about rooting around near the hive? >Kristy Give Dr. Steve Buchmann a call at 520-670-6380 in Tucson. if he doesn't know, he will know who does. You're prob OK as long as you don't dig in or step on. John E. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "America's honeybees are in a bad way". Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606081315002104@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43eqq8$779@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1995Sep13.194948.124186@forest> Lines: 65 *FYI* Ed Stockwell is the owner\beekeeper at Stockwell Honey Co that produces some of the best Mesquite honey in the world from the Mexican boarder area of SW Arizona. Stockwell Honey Co was started by his grandfather in the 1940's. Crops can vary from little or nothing to several hundred pounds plus. Ed has first hand every day experience working with the so called "killer bees" as identified by the USDA at $100.+ per hive sampled. Ed has an mechanical engineering degree with honors from the University of Arizona, but has chosen to continue working in the bees as his mother, father, and grandfather before him. Anna, his wife also is a beekeeper and helps in the bees and is a sister in law of a well know bee breeder in Florida where Ed and family have spent several winters working in the queen rearing business. ttul Andy- This message was from EStockwell@aol.com to andy.nachbaur@beenet.com originally in IN-E-MAIL on the WILD BEE'S BBS. ---------------------------------------- From: EStockwell@aol.com To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:15:36 -0400 Subject: Re: "America's honeybees are in a bad way". Hi Andy, Just finished extracting- big 20 pound crop! It's the land where Jesus lost his sandles. The catsclaw and oak trees are dying, maybe a fifty to one hundred year drought in places. The bees mostly look pretty good. I got some good matings this spring from the best 10% that had drones and it should be that way again this summer since I left the best hives heavy. The really wild, aggressive hives mostly fizzled out last winter, but there are some good crosses, either from them or from the tamer wild ones. One of Dave's red line superseded last Feb. and crossed with some wild stuff I was playing with. The bees are tiny, and a bit runny, but not aggressive. Brood was wood to wood in both directions on the comb and they made a great crop! I've got my eye on a couple of feral hives that wintered and are in good shape. I'll probably pick them up in the next few days. One is a bit jumpy, but the other is not. Both have small, leathery bees. I don't buy the gloom and doom about bees and beekeeping. In about half of my hives I have just been painting them with essential oils (no apistan) in a petroleum jelly base and it seems to be holding the line, especially with regular requeening. I've also had to destroy a couple of swarms that had been established for at least a year. Water and off season food has been a factor in the bee die-offs here in Arizona as well as varroa. The extended poor conditions also caused internal mites/viral problems. As for Jerry Loper's article, I say, " From twelve, many." It looks to me like the honey pipeline is not going to get full for quite some time and thus this may be the start of a several year good cycle. I have a few ideas that I am working on to make it easier to get those lbs of honey in and out. Now all we need is some rain... Take Care, Ed, Chris, Anna Another thought- those wild bees may have some trouble wintering even here in Arizona. I had some stuff that I felt mostly crossed out with the wild ones. They made a huge crop last year, but I had plenty of empty boxes there this spring. These bees may not be much help to the northers, unless they just want to keep the market firm- Ed. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket From geoff@butt.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!butt.demon.co.uk From: geoff butt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use for contaminated honey? Date: Sun, 09 Jun 96 02:32:21 GMT Organization: GTBT Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <834287541snz@butt.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: butt.demon.co.uk Return-Receipt-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Mail2News-Path: butt.demon.co.uk Many thanks for the replies here and by email. In one email (thanks J) it was mentioned that pieces of crystallised honey could be fed to bees like candy as a spring emergency feed. I have never seen this mentioned before; does anyone else have any experience with this possibility? Now I think about it, it makes me realise I hadn't really questioned how it is that bees can deal with candy. Do they have to be able to access water in order to make use of candy? Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rey@ven.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!pointer.netpoint.net!ns1.ven.net!usenet From: Reynaldo Zavarce Castillo Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's a test, please donn't read Date: 8 Jun 1996 19:02:12 GMT Organization: NetPoint de Venezuela Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4pcink$8tu@ns1.ven.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dppp24.ven.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) it's a test. I'm sorry From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars===================================== Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606091009422107@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43jsa1$e0e@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com> Lines: 116 A N U P S***Pesticide Action Network North AmericaUpdates Servicehttp://www.pan a.org/panna/===================================== Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== 1995 U.S. Pesticide Use at All-Time High June 7, 1996 New unpublished U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) data documents that U.S. pesticide use reached an all-time high of more than 1.2 billion pounds in 1995. This is over twice as many pounds of chemicals as were used 30 years ago when Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" was published (540 million pounds in 1964). The unpublished data was obtained and analyzed by the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and U.S. Public Interest Research Group (U.S. PIRG). According to NRDC, these all-time highs in pesticide use have occurred despite the assertion by the pesticide industry that it has adopted "stewardship" and "integrated pest management" programs that result in smarter and lower pesticide use. The House of Representatives and Senate are expected to consider legislation weakening pesticide safety standards this month, which also could result in even more pesticides being used in the future. The EPA draft document includes 1994 and 1995 figures for 30 chemicals, including acute toxins, suspected carcinogens and chemicals thought to disrupt the human hormone system. The data show that 1.23 billion pounds of pesticides were applied in 1994, representing a jump of more than 100 million pounds >from the previous year. In 1995, 1.25 billion pounds were applied. According to NRDC and U.S. PIRG, EPA draft data likely understates the true level of pesticides in the environment for several reasons. EPA figures include only active ingredients, and do not include so-called "inert" ingredients such as petroleum, benzene and other toxic compounds. These "inert" chemicals can comprise over 50% of the volume of formulated pesticides. In addition, EPA figures exclude non- conventional pesticide uses, such as wood preservatives and disinfectants, which the that EPA has previously estimated at more than one billion pounds per year. Taking these additional uses into consideration, the total U.S. pesticide use in 1994-1995 is estimated at more than 2.2 to 2.3 billion pounds per year. Use of pesticides in agriculture was at an all-time high in 1995, as was industrial, commercial and government use. Expenditures on pesticides also hit a new high of $10.4 billion in 1995. More herbicides were used than during any previous two-year period; more insecticides were used than any previous year since 1981-82; and fungicide use was the highest yet recorded and was over double the amount used in 1979. The reasons for the increase may include greater pest resistance to pesticides, adverse climate factors and pest infestations, as well as advertising and other factors leading to greater farmer and other user acceptance of pesticides Pesticides whose use in the U.S. increased considerably, according to the draft EPA document, included methyl bromide, metam sodium, dichloropropene, acetochlor, sulfur and petroleum oils. Those pesticides whose use dropped substantially included alachlor and cyanazine. According to the new data, worldwide conventional pesticide use also hit an all time high of 4.7 billion pounds in 1995, with the U.S. share at 27% -- a higher percentage than in recent years, according to previously released EPA data. Source: NRDC and U.S. PIRG press release, May 28, 1996; NRDC Summary of EPA Data, May 1996. Contact: Erik Olson, NRDC, 1350 NY Ave NW #200, Washington DC 20005; phone (202) 783-7800; fax (202) 638-4937. Carolyn Hartmann, U.S. PIRG, 218 D Street SE, Washington DC 20003; phone (202) 546-9707; fax (202) 546-2461. =========================================================== *** IMPORTANT NOTE Regarding: PANUPS, May 24, 1996, "New Report Documents Massive Pesticide Use in California." *** To order this report, please send $15 to California Policy Seminar, 2020 Milvia, Suite 412, Berkeley, CA 94704; phone (510) 642-5514; fax (510) 642-8793; email ca.polsem@ucop.edu. Make checks payable to UC Regents. =========================================================== =========================================================== | Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) | | | | Phone:(415) 541-9140 Fax:(415) 541-9253 | | Email: panna@panna.org http://www.panna.org/panna/| | PANNA, 116 New Montgomery, #810, San Francisco, CA 94105 | | | |*To subscribe to PANUPS send email to MAJORDOMO@igc.apc.org| | with the following text on one line: subscribe panups | | To unsubscribe send the following: unsubscribe panups | | | |*For basic information about PANNA, send an email message | | to panna-info@igc.apc.org | =========================================================== From ecaldw9669@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ecaldw9669@aol.com (ECaldw9669) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: 9 Jun 1996 14:56:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ecaldw9669@aol.com (ECaldw9669) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Does anyone have information or experience with requeening a colony with queen cells using cell protectors? We have recently begun trying this method and are wondering if anyone has used this method and what results you obtained. Also, if we don't kill the old queen, when we introduce the queen cell, what percentage of the time will the virgin queen kill the existing queen? Ernest Caldwell Caldwell's Texas Honey San Antonio, Texas USA From Gunner63@concentric.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: Gunner63@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MI - Beekeeping Hardware Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 16:46:42 -0500 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31BB4642.24C1@concentric.net> References: <4p03qq$15g2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: Gunner63@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc216378.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) John Lisiecki wrote: > > Looking for a local beekeeping supply dealer, located in the SE Michigan > area. > > Any help would be appreciated. > John L. You can find a Dadant Dealer in Potterville Mi. I am considering starting 10 swarms in the spring of 1997, I reside in Saginaw County and would be interested in your beekeeping experience. I used to have bees with my father back in the 80's. From loganv@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Logan VanLeigh Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TN Beekeepers Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 20:19:11 -0400 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31BB69FF.6CE0@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool015.max7.atlanta.ga.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) For the poster moving to Cookeville, TN (or anyone else): Beekeepers of Tennessee. Pres: Marlene Thomas, 196 Long Road, Kingston, TN 37763, 423.376.1838 Mid TN VP: Dwight Tew, 545 Overview Ln, Franklin, TN 37064, 615.791.1578 Welcome! Logan From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE BEES* Wide bees available to anyone... Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606100624122112@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <43mnha$q2b@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Lines: 19 *FREE BEE* from personal e-mail.. ---------------------------------------- From: "Sue Sloan [L-Team]" <75300.1157@CompuServe.COM> To: Andy Nachbaur Date: 09 Jun 96 16:28:15 EDT Subject: Wide bees available to anyone... Andy, I am trying to find someone who will remove a hive of bees from my property. They are in the edge of the roof on an outbuilding, and not hard to get to. The house is in Pound Ridge, Westchester County, New York and I am at 914-764-8376 if you could refer me to anyone in the area. Will pay, but a reasonable amount! Thanks, Sue Sloan --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 10 Jun 1996 13:52:54 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ph9bm$2m6@news.sandia.gov> References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) The way it was explained to me: Bumblebees fly forward by going Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ... Bumblebees fly backwards by going zzuB, zzuB, zzuB ... I've got to keep a light heart. We have a major drought here in New Mexico and the bees are not bringing in any nectar. Pollen seems to be OK but there may not be any honey this year. So the anticipated routine for this fall is Feed, Feed, Feed ... Pray for rain! Victor C. Rimkus From m.quimby@lilly.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!cronkite.d48.lilly.com!general.d46.lilly.com!m.quimby From: Mike Quimby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My first successful swarm! Date: 10 Jun 1996 14:06:58 GMT Organization: lilly.com Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pha62$hjq@cronkite.d48.lilly.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: general.d46.lilly.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:15:54 GMT Greetings to all! My bees decided to give me a second chance. Yesterday afternoon, I came home and walked back to the bees and to my astonishment, a huge swarm was all collected on a hawthorn tree near the hives. 2 feet long and about a 12 inches wide. Well, after blowing it on a first swarm a week ago, I was determined to get this beautiful thing of nature into a new home. My girlfriend and I trimmed away excess branches, and I held the branch while she sawed....success! All bees still together and the branch was in my hands. I walked over to the waiting hive (with extra empty hive body on top), counted to three and... SNAP! WHOOSH! In they went! Wow! What a feeling. I closed up the top and stragglers eventually made it in. Now I have 3 hives! Good luck to all, and may the flowers bloom all season long. Mike Quimby Cardinal Haven Farm Knightstown, Indiana m.quimby@lilly.com From quest@pacificnet.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Small honey extractor (used) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:08:18 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4phhe5$57m@news2.cais.com> Reply-To: quest@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.13.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am seeking a used manual or powered honey extractor for use on a small honey farm. Please respond by email since I do not regularly access news groups. Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) From quest@pacificnet.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WTB Small honey extractor (used) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:20:32 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4phi54$5av@news2.cais.com> References: <4phhe5$57m@news2.cais.com> Reply-To: quest@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.13.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 quest@pacificnet.net (Cliff Johnson) wrote: >I am seeking a used manual or powered honey extractor for use on a >small honey farm. Please respond by email since I do not regularly >access news groups. >Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) My phone number is: 818-761-5665; FAX 818-761-9501. Cliff Johnson quest@pacificnet.net (Studio City,CA) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606101718162113@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 67 *FYI* Official NZ Government reaction to beekeepers post in the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- From: Cliff Van Eaton Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases In reply to Mr. Patton's message to BEE-L of June 8, 1996 , I would like to clarify the following points for subscribers: 1. My position with the NZ government is Apicultural Advisory Officer, not "Agricultural" Advisory Officer, as Mr. Patton states. 2. The disease described by Dr. Liu identified in his November 1991 American Bee Journal article is "melanosis", not "melanoius" as Mr. Patton states. 3. The disease "melanosis" was not included in the list of bee diseases present in New Zealand included in my April 19, 1996 posting because Dr. Liu's article did not state that the causitive organism of melanosis had been isolated, either in NZ bees, or in NZ queens introduced into Candian hives. While the title of the article identifies melanosis as a disease, and while Bailey and Ball in their work Honey Bee Pathology (2nd ed) state that "a micro-organism of a primitive type appearing to be transitional between yeasts and fungi has been found in the melanized (blackened) patches of epithelial tissue that surround nurse- and egg-cells of ovaries and the poison sac and rectum in queens", Dr. Liu did not state that the condition he found in some NZ queens was in fact caused by any specific organism. He stated that he found melanization (tissuing blackening) in the queens, but makes no mention of isolating any causative organism causing the melanization. Melanization is a a natural defense of insects against micro-organisms and/or tissue wounds, and can be caused by a number of factors. Melanization has been reported in queen bees in many areas of the world, and in my experience (both in NZ and Canada) can be found most often in aging queens. 4. Mr. Patton's states that all the old time beekeepers he has interviewed doubt that NZ is free of EFB. I am unsure as to what evidence these persons have for such a claim. However, the statement I made in my posting of April 19, 1996, that New Zealand is free of European foulbrood is based on a sound surveillance programme. Government apiculture personnel inspect 500 apiaries throughout NZ each year, with the apiaries chosen for their proximity to risk areas. Government apiculture personnel also carry out surveillance for the disease whenever they inspect beehives for any other reason (such as AFB inspection, export certification and pollination hive audits). Any suspect larvae are analysed microscopically at a government bee disease diagnostic laboratory, and those with Streptococcus-like particles are cultured to make a definitive diagnosis. All government apiculture personnel are fully trained in visual diagnosis of EFB symptoms, including familiarisation training in a country where EFB occurs (Australia, US, etc). The surveillance system is audited and subject to review by recognised overseas government agriculture officials and beekeeping industry representatives. 5. Mr. Patton states that the "claim that NZ is free of EFB has in the past been an effective zoosanitary trade barrier which has been an effective trade and economic tool for the NZ honeybee industry as this claim prevents any honeybees, honey and or used equipment from entering NZ". As I made clear in my posting of April 19, 1996, imports of honeybees, honey and other bee products are allowed entry into NZ provided they are determined to have a low risk of introducing exotic honey bee diseases. Millions of dollars of such products are imported into NZ each year. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? From marlatt Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!cbgw1.att.com!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!scramble.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!usenet From: Stuart Marlatt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 10 Jun 1996 18:01:46 GMT Organization: Lockheed Martin -- Denver InterNetNews site Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4phnua$rg8@tel.den.mmc.com> References: <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: daystrom.den.mmc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1S (X11; I; IRIX64 6.1 IP26) X-URL: news:edw1.18.002843A9@azstarnet.com edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) wrote: >In article <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> writes: >>From: >>Subject: Bumblebees >>Date: 8 Jun 1996 03:14:49 GMT > > >>Hi, > >>I need a brief description of how a bumblebee flies. >>Can you help. > >Well, not exactly - - - but if you are referring to the old saw about "the >scientist proves the bumblebee cannot fly, but the bee doesn't know, so keeps >on flying", I might. It's my understanding that this saying was based on an >early aerodynamics paper published in the 20's or 30's, in which the >mathematics were based on a rigid wing for the bee. Too bad, because the bee's >wing cups in flight, giving more lift. > Your USDA in action, on my own time and computer, > John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona I don't recall the reference off hand, but I believe that a Sci. American a few years ago looks at this problem. Apparently, the main source of lift for the bee is vortex creation on the upper surface as the wings are rapidly separated on the downstroke. Unlike birds, the wings are brought very close together above the bee's body, and when separated, initiate a relatively strong vortical flowfield - thus lower pressure atop the wing, and thus lift. You might also look into the Ann. Review of Fluid Mechanics over the past decade or so. Also the Journal of Fluid Mech might have an article or two. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The perfection of means and the confusion of ends seems to be our problem. - Alfred Einstein ............................................................................. s.w. marlatt, phd <>< & *(:-) Prov. 25.2 Lockheed Martin Astronautics stuart@daystrom.den.mmc.com M/S DC3003, P.O. Box 179 (303) 971-6629 Denver, CO 80201 (303) 971-6934 (fax) URL: http://liszt.den.mmc.com/docs/swm/swm_home.html (firewall!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be Tue Jun 18 09:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: low temperqture queens Date: 11 Jun 1996 12:55:53 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 20 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pjqcp$ajd@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 Hi, Is there anybody out their who has experience with breeding queens in a breeding-case at a lower temperature then the normal 34-34.5 C (94 F) ? It takes a few days longer for the queeens to emerge, but they should be bigger and stronger (???). I have found the first statement to be through, but I cannot check the other statements. Cheers +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... From swhl@itl.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 4593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cancer/honey Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:25:31 +1508 Organization: Supernet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <30B6446B.135@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) CC: misc.health.alternative My dentist has just told me that the surgeon operating on aural cancers here slaps pure honey straight from his own bees onto operating wounds with amazingly good results as to speed and cleanliness of healing. Does anyone else have any information on this? This surgeon is also a believer in not using treatment on varroa affected hives, but in letting the bees build up a natural immunity or crossing them with other varroa resistant strains. Any comments on either subject? Thank you. Sacha From swhl@itl.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 4594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cancer/honey Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:25:54 +1508 Organization: Supernet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <30B64482.870@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) My dentist has just told me that the surgeon operating on aural cancers here slaps pure honey straight from his own bees onto operating wounds with amazingly good results as to speed and cleanliness of healing. Does anyone else have any information on this? This surgeon is also a believer in not using treatment on varroa affected hives, but in letting the bees build up a natural immunity or crossing them with other varroa resistant strains. Any comments on either subject? Thank you. Sacha From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!hookup!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa control by Formic-acid Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:02:30 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 199 Message-ID: <4pk1q6$p4t@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin001.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------2521250238071" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------2521250238071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe some of you are interested in an alternative way of Varroa control. I hope that the main manuscript will be transfered to this newsgroup too. ---------------------------------2521250238071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Formic-acid (Formiat) for Varroa control All the chemicals offered by the pharmacological industry for Varroa control cause 2 main problems: -The mites become resistant to the substances after some years, new substances needed in future -All these substances make residues in bees wax and honey, not very good arguments for our business Organic acids like Formic-acid make not such problems. Formic acid is part of the honey and it is reduced in short time by honey enzymes and oxidation. Different ways of Formic acid application for Varroa control were tested by german beekeepers and research institutes in the past. One method, successfully used by myself and many other beekeepers in the last 4 years is described in the following manuscript. I would like to thank Ian, a british beekeeper who point out that there might be somebody else interested in a alternative way of Varroa control, and so I decide to post the following. Formic acid for Varroa control, Kraemers way! The Kraemer-Platte is a way of applying formic-acid for Varroa control. This treatment has been used successfully for several years by many german beekeepers. It requires for each hive one Kraemer-plate, an empty super, 2 small wooden frames (comb-frames), and some old newspapers for isolation. These methods may only be suitable for beekeepers with a small number of hives. Mr. Kraemer is a german beekeeper (an Imkermeister [Master Beekeeper]), who spent a lot of time and money to work out his way of Varroa-control when the mite became a problem in Germany about 20 years ago. I would like to thank him for his work, which gives us an alternative way of residue-free Varroa- control. Building a Kraemer-Platte: Material: The plate body is made from Weichfaserdaemmplatte 10mm thick (this material is made from wood and usually used for insulation inside houses and sometimes also in the lids of hives, it seems a little bit like fibrous cardboard; make sure to get insecticide free material WITHOUT bitumen on one side). Plate-size: 247mm x 170mm x 10mm Pack the plate in a foil-bag (size 210mm x 300mm) of acid resistant plastic-foil. Fill each plate with 250ml (298g) of 85% formic-acid (use a syringe and wear gloves and eyeshield for protection; formic acid is a very strong acid!), and weld the bag with a double seam. The price for such a plate should be less than 5 US$ if a number of plates are manufactured (Mr Kraemer sold these prepared plates for 6 DM each in the past). Fall-Application Work to do before the Kraemer-Platte is placed in the hive: Weigh the filled Kraemer-Platte and note the weight. Perforate BOTH sides of the foil-bag with the necessary number of holes (diameter 15mm, use a metal tube with sharp edge). The number of holes depends of the size of the hive. Number of holes on EACH side of the foil- bag 1 brood-camber/hive 2 brood/hive number of combs 6-8 9-11 12-15 16-19 20-24 Freudenstein-size(180x318) 8 9 10 - - Normal-size(202mmx350mm) 9 11 12 14 15 Zander-size(195mmx390mm) 10 12 13 15 17 Langstroth(200mmx420mm) 11 12 14 17 19 Dadant-size (275mmx410mm) 12 13 15 18 - Place the perforated Kraemer Platte in a sandwich of 2 wooden frames (to make sure that there is a distance of 20mm to the combs and to the newspaper isolation and so ensuring acid vapor circulation in the hive, altogether a 50mm sandwich). On the top of the comb-frames of the top brood chamber set up an empty super, isolate the brood chamber, with the Kraemer Platte, from the rest of the empty super with several layers of old newspapers on top (do not use plastic, this will keep too much moisture in the hive). Close the empty top super with the lid. ATTENTION, do not block the holes in the foil-bag with the frames or the newspapers, otherwise the vaporization of formic-acid is not sufficient. Leave the Kraemer Platte in place undisturbed for 21days. After 3 weeks take the plate out and check the weight. 165g of formic-acid should have evaporated during the 21 days for effective Varroa-control. This method of Varroa-control is ideal for a fall-treatment, starting mid September after winterfeeding; noon time temperature range must be between a minimum 6 degrees C and maximum 26 degrees C. Summer/Fall Application An alternative or additional treatment (in case of strong Varroa populations) is to use the Kraemer Platte after honey harvesting in summer (early August, some open honey (or sugar) in the combs is important) for 7 days, and for an additional 14 days end of September. For this treatment a fresh filled Kraemer Platte is perforated face to face with 3-5 holes/side, depending on the volume of the hive 60-78 liters -> 3 holes / side 79-100 liters-> 4 holes / side 101-120 liters-> 5 holes / side Only the volume of the brood chamber and honey supers matters, any bottom space must be ignored. Place the perforated plate vertically in a empty comb-frame (use small pins to fix the plate) in the center of the empty honey super. !The bees need unsealed food in the hive! Give sugar syrup before the application of formic-acid if it is necessary. The treatment can be done with noon-temperatures of maximum 26 degrees C. After 7 days take the plate out of the hive, store it in a foil-bag (several plates in one bag are good), and store them horizontal and cool up to September, best would be to weld the storage bag (ventilation may be useful to prevent bad formic-acid odor). Feed the bees for the winter, and at end of September place the used plates for 14 more days in their hive, like described above for the September-application. Add additional holes in the plate (2 more than in the table for the regular Fall-application). This alternative treatment is useful if there is a strong Varroa population in the hives during summer. For normal Varroa populations the 21 days in September are sufficient. Just to point it out, in the regular fall treatment the plate is placed horizontally on top of the upper brood room, while during the summer treatment the plate is placed in a frame vertically in the upper brood room (remove temporarily a frame with honey to get space). I have used these methods of Varroa control for the last 4 years with good success. Years with extreme cold or hot September/October may cause problems, but however it works! Ulli Höger Germany E-Mail: Hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de ---------------------------------2521250238071-- From cdg1@concentric.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!winternet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Publications Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:54:08 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4plmf8$d7b@tribune.concentric.net> References: <4ovpgo$2fu$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057037.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Michael W. Triplett <74362.2746@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Can anyone provide the address, 800 phone number, and/or e-mail >address to any of the following publications/suppliers or any >other good bee publications/suppliers. "American Bee Journal", >"Bee Culture", the Walter T. Kelly Co. Thanks. >Mike Triplett >74362.2746@compuserve.com Try 800-555-1212 cdg From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tucson Bee Lab Closure Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606120146012121@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 63 *From the BEE-List ---------------------------------------- From: "" Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:30:37 -0400 Subject: Tucson Bee Lab Closure To: All interested parties From: Larry Connor, Wicwas Press Re: Industry response to plan to close Tucson Bee Lab The following letter was sent to all members of the U.S. House and Senate Agriculture appropriations Subcommittees on 28 May 1996. The final letter was prepared by Mary Kay Thatcher of the American Farm Bureau. 202 484-3604 fax. Since most of these people involved in the preparation of this letter are not internet users, I feel it is important to post this letter on the B-List. Letter to House and Senate Ag Appropriations Subcommunities The undersigned organizations, representing the entire honey bee industry as well as a vast majority of farmers who need bees for pollination, wish to bring to your attention the U.S. Department of Agriculture/Agricultural Research Service proposal to close the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson, Arizona. There are several reasons why we believe this is not in the best interests of beekeepers or of factors dependent on bees for pollination. The research needs facing the bee industry have never been greater. Mite problems continue to plague beekeepers. Heavy loss of colonies continues at an alarming rate, despite treatment. The continued migration of the Africanized Honey Bee will cause more beekeepers to experience problems while posing significant public health problems as Africanized bees and humans interact. Their impact on pollination is still not clear. Other serious problems include chalkbrood and foulbrood, wax moth and viral bee diseases, The Carl Hayden Center is important because its strategic location in the desert allows researchers to conduct year-round activities on bee and pollination problems. The Center recently developed a public education program to assist pest control officials remove the growing number of unwanted and potentially dangerous Africanized honey bee swarms, The Center was the first ARS facility to have a home page on the World Wide Web, which currently serves 13,000 customer requests per week for information on bees. Earlier this month, the Center's home page won the Secretary's Award. for public service. The Tucson Center is ranked by the ARS as its second most productive bee lab and among the most productive of all ARS laboratories. We understand the budgetary realities that you must address. We want to assist you in meeting those goals and believe this can be accomplished while maintaining a strong research program to address honey bee and pollination problems. Included in this, is transferring wild bee research programs from the ARS facility in Logan, Utah to other ARS laboratories. Additional budget savings, if necessary, should be accomplished by seeking the input from ARS customers-beekeepers and pollination users. While we understand the financial constraints imposed upon ARS, we believe alternatives are available that minimize the impact to ARS' total bee research program. Closing the Tucson lab will have a significant, negative impact on bee research in the U.S. Thank you for considering our views. American Beekeeping Federation American Farm Bureau Federation American Honey Producers Association International Apple Institute United Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Association Western Growers Association --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ - Busy As A Bee With This Mail From jcschaper@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first successful swarm! Date: 12 Jun 1996 19:21:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pnjdv$rla@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4pha62$hjq@cronkite.d48.lilly.com> Reply-To: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Congratulations to you first swarm, here in germany all the bees are swarming like mad this year, I successfully collected two swarms, one from the ground (that was easy) for the other one I had to climb a tree. Regards from Germany (Bielefeld), Christoph Schaper mail: jcschaper@aol.com From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606121712442123@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4ph9bm$2m6@news.sandia.gov> <4par79$m9o@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> From: "Victor C. Rimkus" >Subject: Re: Bumblebees >The way it was explained to me: >honeybees fly forward by going Buzz, Buzz, Buzz ... >honeybees fly backwards by going zzuB, zzuB, zzuB ... One of Prof. Norman Gary's favorite jokes, you know the Norman Gary from Nuton's Apple. >I've got to keep a light heart. We have a major drought here in New >Mexico and the bees are not bringing in any nectar. Pollen seems to be OK >but there may not be any honey this year. So the anticipated routine for >this fall is Feed, Feed, Feed ... Sorry to hear that, but it is the same in Arizona, and much of Texas. Do you get the monsume summer rains and a shot at late summer or fall flowers and honey? >Pray for rain! If all my prayer's for rain were answered we would all bee perched on some mountain waiting for the water to go down, but I will add a little extra for you anyway.. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606121712442124@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 213 *posted in the BEE-List.. ---------------------------------------- CVE>From: Cliff Van Eaton >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 >Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases [WARNING, if you are not interested in opinion, or are satisfied that facts reported by representatives of any government have some value similar to the words of the LORD from the Holy Bible DO NOT READ THIS POST, trash it, and put the posters name in your personal "kill file" as it contains nothing but PERSONAL OPINION and does not represent the "official" view of any government or any opinion other then the writers own.] **NOTE: The fastest way to end a tread is NOT to post back to it or use E-MAIL. You have been WARNED [page down] for the un-official reply to the official reply from the New Zealand's Apicultural Advisory Officer. CVE>In reply to Mr. Patton's message to BEE-L of June 8, 1996 Given>, I would like to clarify the following points for subscribers: CVE>1. My position with the NZ government is Apicultural Advisory Officer, >not "Agricultural" Advisory Officer, as Mr. Patton states. Well, Cliff, I Love My Boss too, even if my position is from the very low perspective of being a life long self employed beekeeper since 1955 and in involuntary forced semi retirement because of beekeeping problems here in California. D, D, and D; Dead bees, Diseased bees, and a Darn bee thief who stole the last 500 healthy hives I had out of a almond orchard the early spring of 95. CVE>3. The disease "melanosis" was not included in the list of bee diseases >present in New Zealand included in my April 19, 1996 posting because Humm, very interesting, but not clear as to why it was not included other then its a "maybe" disease you have but don't want other's to know "officially" you have it, relying on technical semantics to make your case you have it but you don't have it in the report. Do you know about foot notes, much better then the foot in mouth disease. >Dr. Liu's article did not state that the causitive organism of melanosis ha >been isolated, either in NZ bees, or in NZ queens introduced into Candian Much quoting left out but did you know that a few scientists may believe that if you have one acarapis bee mite there is a pretty good chance you have them all or in time will have? Lets see there were four acarapis mites, now there are three, but all of them feed on the bee in the same way, but from different positions on or in the bee, but not to worry only the one's found in the breathing tubes are reason for concern, but then they also can be found in other internal organs and spaces. Yes it is clear, acarapis mites are not good on our bees and NZ does have acarapis mites on some of their bees at one time or another the same as most other areas of the world that have looked for them. CVE>4. Mr. Patton's states that all the old time beekeepers he has interviewed >doubt that NZ is free of EFB. I am unsure as to what evidence these >persons have for such a claim. One of the problems is that people from NZ who keep bees and are outside of the government or are not involved in the bee export market or representing others who may have such interests do talk with other keepers of bees and they have a opinion that is somewhat different from the "official one" of the NZ Apricot Advasiory Officer on some of the claims of superior health of NZ bees made by others and government and regulatory officials. And NO I am not about to give out names as I am sure others have ways of dealing with these beekeepers and re-educating them on the official regulatory or government position. >posting of April 19, 1996, that New Zealand is free of European >foulbrood is based on a sound surveillance programme. Government >apiculture personnel inspect 500 apiaries throughout NZ each year, with >the apiaries chosen for their proximity to risk areas. Here in California, the Left Coast of the USA we have individual beekeepers who check 500 apiaries each year if you count multiply visits it would even bee much higher. We have found just about every kind of disease, pest, and predator, bees can get with the exception of a few exotics that some say would carry the bees, boxes and all away. We are always looking for some new ones to challenge our beekeeping skills. It's the total numbers of hives and the percentage of those numbers inspected that tells the true and honest story of apiary inspection, not numbers of apiaries inspected which could be any number of bee hives per apiary from a few to a lot. It is also somewhat important to clarify that bee inspections are made on individual hives and that if one hive or ten hives are opened and 100 hives are in the yard that to some with regulatory mind set it may be a 100% apiary inspection. Not to a real beekeeper for whom it would only be one or ten hives inspected out of 100 in the bee yard or apiary site. When a beekeeper talks about bee inspection he is normally talking about looking at every hive and not some magic formula that gives some statistical probability that something you have not ever seen does not exist. God made bees and made them subject to diseases, pests, predators, and change, and if any beeman lives long enough and looks hard enough he will someday find them all without traveling farther then his own bee yards. Not finding any one of them does not indicate they don't exist, only that they were not found, yet. >etc). The surveillance system is audited and subject to review by >recognised overseas government agriculture officials and beekeeping >industry representatives. This is good and many beekeepers here have a go at our own agricultural and government officials in legislative hearings and the like, and have been successful in reducing their numbers and funding, now relying more on the beekeepers own abilities to detect and suppress disease or any economic beekeeping problem he has. Kind of a back to basics movement of self reliance and with little or no government interference. There are still many beekeepers who would like government to do it all for them, especially so the one's who would like to ship bees into political areas that require some form of official government health certification, but because of the realities in the bee regulatory industry and its value to society as a whole they are not having it their way for the rest of us and those who need the paper work are getting the paper work making everyone happy and secure in their work. CVE>5. Mr. Patton states that the "claim that NZ is free of EFB has in the past >been an effective zoosanitary trade barrier which has been an effective >trade and economic tool for the NZ honeybee industry as this claim >prevents any honeybees, honey and or used equipment from entering >NZ". As I made clear in my posting of April 19, 1996, imports of >honeybees, honey and other bee products are allowed entry into NZ >provided they are determined to have a low risk of introducing exotic >honey bee diseases. I like this bureaucratic government erratica as it seems as familiar as such statement as "apparently free of pests and disease at the time of inspection", but in reality it is, and always has been and will continue to be in the future "bee buyer bee ware" when you get down to the bottom line in the bee business or hobby it is far better to know the beekeeper who you are dealing with then the bee inspector who inspects the bees as the fox smells his own hole first so a beekeepers knows his own bees best. >Millions of dollars of such products are imported into NZ each >year. I am sure you do not mean to be misleading and would like to part this out to the number of pounds of bees, number of queen bees, as it really appears that you are including the value of honey and other bee products imported into NZ to give the appearance of a open market for bees and queens and I don't believe that is what you wanted to do as it would be very deceptive and to some and less then the true facts to the reader who is not familiar with your countries history of importations of bees and queens. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. In ending I would say again, NZ has there landing rights in Hawaii, be happy in that, but not so secure that in attacking any beekeeper >from the prospective of a government position of any class or rank that these landing rights could not be revoked. You could find the political back lash grater then you expect...From here in the safety of my home office I sit and I can't see the stars or buttons on any uniform and am not impressed by the bureaucratic talk and expect better >from government representatives then what some have provided because of their stated high rank and professional opinion which have the same value as any other's posts or opinion at least to me and a few others I am sure. If they were public servants in California I would demand better and have it but we are not we are just beekeepers. The devil is always in the details and those with the rank better know the details and be able to express them so us lowly beekeepers can and do understand them which does not happen with bureaucrat to bureaucrat making revisions to regulations and public law without the "involved" consent of the people at risk, including the lowly Hawaiian beekeepers. "Involved" means more then a government form letter back acknowledging the receiving of someone's comment. It may be different in other countries, but I am not so sure it is all that much better. New Zealand is a wonderful place, has a wonderful system of government, great public servants, good beekeepers, bees that they can be proud of, but so has Hawaii, or California or Timbuktu and they too have every right to try to protect and promote what they have. Maybe we don't have the luxury of having slick government agents speaking out for us, and maybe what we have to say is hard to follow because of our own short falls in language skills or lack of high education or office, but we will have our say the same as some have had their way with our own bureaucrats. BTW: NZ may be the only place in the world that blames any significant part of their own AFB incidence on the residue of honey left over from emptied import and consumer containers of honey, left in the trash, and believes it...can prove it, and bee proud of it, at the same time they would have us all believe that there is "no risk" to the bees of Hawaii >from NZ bees landing at Hawaii's international airport and some unforeseen careless act which is no different then putting out the trash containing sticky honey containers, something that many in the world of beekeeping would consider a very minor regulatory and bee health problem at the most... I guess it depends a lot on who's ox is being gored but I suspect we have not heard the end of this story which may come from the beekeepers in Canada or the sleeping politicians in Washington, or some other place in the end, God forbidding any New Zealand bees escaping from the trash at Hawaii's airports. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... As doth the meadow-bee, From bahaus@primenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sources of jars or bottles for small bottling operation Date: 12 Jun 1996 18:08:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4pnplh$51h@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: bahaus@primenet.com X-Posted-By: ip194.nmp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am looking for a source of good quality glass jars, plastic bottles, or pails to put honey in for sale to the public. We have a small side line operation in Idaho, and would like to be able to buy such jars in reasonable quantities so that our prices per jar would be less. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks From afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!van.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona honey crops Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:18:36 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-23.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Hello, I am a beekeeper in southwest Florida where bees thrive on orange blossom, palmetto, Brazilian pepper, Melaluca(sp?), and mangrove. I am moving to Tucson, AZ to attend school and I plan on keeping bees there. I know there are bees there, but what do they feed on? Sincerely, Nathan Winesett -- Nathan Stamey Winesett afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sources of jars or bottles for small bottling operation Date: 13 Jun 1996 14:36:46 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4pp91u$q7j@news.sandia.gov> References: <4pnplh$51h@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: bahaus@primenet.com bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) wrote: >I am looking for a source of good quality glass jars, plastic bottles, >or pails to put honey in for sale to the public. You should check your Yellow Pages for packaging suppliers in your area. I have been getting mine from a local outfit in order to save the shipping. I usually buy in bulk and it takes me a couple years to dwindle the supply. The local suppliers stock bears & spouts, pint thru gallon plastic bottles and all sorts of plain and fancy glass jars. Victor in Albuquerque From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily with systemic reactions. Thanks for your insight. From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:38:01 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily with systemic reactions. Thanks for your insight. From Phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: Steve Phillips Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Archives Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:53 -0700 Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: syru2-153.syr.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Are the discussions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping archived anywhere? From lnfisk@cyberhighway.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cyberhighway.net!usenet From: Larry F Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: price of beeswax? Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:29:42 -0600 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cam-pm1-25.cyberhighway.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Hi, I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona honey crops Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606130741562130@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> Lines: 22 >From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" >Subject: Arizona honey crops >moving to Tucson, AZ to attend school and I plan on keeping bees there. I >know there are bees there, but what do they feed on? You will have a blast, as the dreaded "killer" bee have now reached the area and it is said the bees feed on the local people and small animals. But not to fear they are reported to bee very productive in years past but because of a "100 year drought" the prospects for honey crops of any kind are very poor as the trees and brush are dieing from the lack of moisture. With luck this will have changed by the time you reach there and the summer rains will have returned, at least the beekeepers there hope so or they will have to feed there bees this fall to keep them alive. The drought extends for Southern California to Texas and the amounts of honey produced in much of the area has been very poor to nothing. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... "Having found the flower and driven a bee away, From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: low temperqture queens Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:15:10 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ppiau$juc@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4pjqcp$ajd@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin029.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Ok, it will take longer, but why they should be bigger and stronger? From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cancer/honey Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:32:32 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4ppjbg$juc@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <30B6446B.135@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin029.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, some old recipes use honey for therapy if your are ill. Honey was known for his aseptic effect by my grandma. In winter she gave us hot milk with honey to prevent or effect bad colds. I think that there are some enzymes and antibiotics in honey (like in propolis) to do the aseptic work. The surgeon doesn´t control the Varroa? His beekeeping neighborhood will love him for reinvasion of the mites in their hives. I think he should think about a way of Varroa control without using Apistan, Bayvarol, Perizin etc, many alternatives are aviable. A lot people don´t want the chemistry in their hives and use these residue-free methods (Formic acid and cutting out drone-brood are two of these alternatives)with very good results. Much is written and told about Varroa resistant bees, but who realy got them? Best reards Ulli From jryan@advtech.uswest.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!engineer.mrg.uswest.com!news.advtech.uswest.com!usenet From: Jenny Ryan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:41:49 -0600 Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 27 Message-ID: <31C060ED.5862EBC3@advtech.uswest.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: intrigue.advtech.uswest.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) To: Francis Miquet Francis Miquet wrote: > > > taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such > adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune > to bee stings? i remember reading somewhere sometime (love those precise references eh?) that you need to get at least 10 stings a year to develop an immunity. i've had bees for 9 (or 10?) years and have always had the same mild reaction 'till last summer. we had a lousy spring in Colorado, and the bees were as grumpy as could be. i got stung several times throughout the spring, and then one day i went out to mess around without being properly dressed. i got a bazillion (that's a lot!) bees inside my shirt and got plenty of stings. i felt a little icky afterwards, and they itched for a few days. but then for the rest of the summer i had zero reaction to stings! i'd feel the sting, but then nothing afterwards! the really amazing thing was that it seemed i also hardly reacted to mosquito bites last summer either. coincidence? i've only been stung once so far this year, and had my usual mild reaction. i'd rather not be immune than go through what i went through last summer ! From jdalexa@his.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Nuke Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:13:09 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31C0CAB5.7E65@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Greetings all, I'm just starting in beekeeping and will be needing a nuke in the next two weeks. I live in Beltsville, MD. As far as I can determine there are none available in this area. Can anyone help me? mailto:jdalexa@his.com Thanks much John Alexander From w3zid@voicenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!goodnews.voicenet.com!usenet From: w3zid@voicenet.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars===================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:28:07 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4pqipa$hs@goodnews.voicenet.com> References: <43jsa1$e0e@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com> <9606091009422107@beenet.com> Reply-To: w3zid@voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ivyland218.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: >Subject: PANUPS: U.S. Pesticide Use Soars [article deleted] Wow, is that a surprise to me! It takes more of less-effective pesticides to achieve the same level of control. -- John E. Taylor III W3ZID E-mail: w3zid@voicenet.com From nickw@wave.co.nz Tue Jun 18 09:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!ames!waikato!wave.co.nz!usenet From: Nick Wallingford Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Zealand Bee Diseases Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:47:04 -0700 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31C1DDD8.5528@wave.co.nz> References: <9606101718162113@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wh9-1.wave.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > *FYI* Official NZ Government reaction to beekeepers post in the > BEE-List. > ---------------------------------------- > From: Cliff Van Eaton > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:47:51 +1200 > Subject: New Zealand Bee Diseases It isn't 'official' and it isn't from the 'NZ Government', but apart from that, you got it right... Cliff Van Eaton is employed by MAF Quality Management, the 'operational' arm of the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries. He most certainly does not speak on behalf of the NZ Government. He does not even speak for MAF Regulatory Authority, who develop and administer the policies related to agriculture. Nick Wallingford NZ National Beekeepers Assn President home nickw@wave.co.nz work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa help Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606132034072134@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 26 *FYI* Not sure how she want them, dead or alive, so if any are interested they should do e-mail to her. ---------------------------------------- From: Lilia Ibay de Guzman Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:51:44 -0400 Subject: Varroa help Dear Bee-liners; My name is Lilia de Guzman, and I am a research entomologist at the USDA, ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Lab in Baton Rouge. I am in need of representative samples of varroa from across the United States for research purposes. If you would be interested in helping me by collecting mites, please contact me directly at: lguzman@asrr.arsusda.gov I appreciate any assistance you can provide. Thank you, Lilia --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need a mentor Date: 13 Jun 1996 23:50:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am looking for someone to whom I can ask some really dumb questions. Have my first hive (for 6 weeks) but get concerned about the hundreds of bees that sit outside the hive and all the wax that builds up on the edges of the frames, and my smokers goes out. Is there anyone interested in being a mentor, teacher, sounding board? Thanks Charles Henry Arkansas jchenry500@aol.com From Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:45 EDT 1996 Article: 4619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!line114.nwm.mindlink.net!Thomas_Storey From: Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca (Thomas Storey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:09:43 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line114.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) >Subject: sting relief >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 >It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it >has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung >numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should >be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent >reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am >taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such >adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune >to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily >with systemic reactions. >Thanks for your insight. This just might be the beginning of the end of beekeeping for you, as happened to me. I became progressively more sensitive to the stings until I started to break out in hives and had trouble breathing. This was after two or three stings at once. I got the message and sold my hives. Good luck, Tom From afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:45 EDT 1996 Article: 4620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Arizona honey crops Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:31:13 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bb59b4.177bdf40$8708e3c7@nathan> References: <01bb58df.63edc9e0$9608e3c7@nathan> <9606130741562130@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-8.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Well, I just called one of my professors from Tucson, and he said it rained today! Thank goodness for the bees. When visited this spring, the Palos Verde trees were in full bloom. Quite pretty. Which plants are the honeymakers? I am excited about the Arizona beekeeping experience. It sounds as if it will be quite different from Florida where bees have a plethora of crops throughout most of the year. Yet, I would of expected more crops in Arizona because of the fact that African honeybees reside there. I thought they required a nectar flow at intervals throughout the year, since they spend all of there energy(i.e. honey) swarming. That is the reason they couldn't survive in temperate regions. -- Nathan Stamey Winesett afn33187@freenet.ufl.edu From ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:46 EDT 1996 Article: 4621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!ron From: ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Value of Specialty Pollination Date: 14 Jun 1996 19:01:14 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4psctq$ije@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Summary: Value of Crop/Seed Crop Pollination Keywords: bee plant breeder pollination X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.5] Can anyone provide me with information on prices for the following specialty pollination services using (honey) bees; 1. Isolation tents producing progeny by crossing two desirable cultivars. Seeds are used in line trials while developing new cultivars. 2. General crop pollination service (example: orchards). Any information will be helpful. Please email or post to this group. Thank-you in advance for your comments. sincerely ron -- Ronald Grootkarzyn email: ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca 4013 - 114 Avenue phone: (403) 479-2672 Edmonton, AB, T5W 0S9 From vandy@avana.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:46 EDT 1996 Article: 4622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tiger.avana.net!root From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:56:10 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Lines: 39 Message-ID: <31c16563.36095831@news.avana.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: atl85.avana.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:09:43 GMT, Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca (Thomas Storey) wrote: >In article fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >>From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) >>Subject: sting relief >>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 > >>It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it >>has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung >>numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should >>be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent >>reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am >>taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such >>adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune >>to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily >>with systemic reactions. > Try taking the anti-histamines before working with the bees. Are you eating honey and getting enough vitamins? Both are important, deficiencies can make reactions more violent. Venom usually acts as a cumulative poison. Reaction worsens up to the point of severe reaction, then the body gains a higher tolerance and reactions become less violent. I am basing this on my problems with a wasp/hornet allergy. I have had severe enough reactions to need a doctor to save my life. Now when stung I quickly take an anti-histamin, concentrate on relaxing and have very mild reactions. I do not have bees yet. My family kept bees when I was a child. I did not suffer from hay fever until our last hive died in hard winter and my source of local raw honey died with the hive. I have been lurking here for a while trying to learn as much as possible before getting our first hive. I am in west central Georgia, USA. Any bee keepers close? Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: price of beeswax? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:16:49 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31C17451.173F@umich.edu> References: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Larry F wrote: > Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? > I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. I got US$2.25/lb when I sold a batch in January. From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 14 Jun 1996 19:43:13 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 In article <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) wrote: > I am looking for someone to whom I can ask some really dumb questions. > Have my first hive (for 6 weeks) but get concerned about the hundreds of > bees that sit outside the hive and all the wax that builds up on the edges > of the frames, and my smokers goes out. > > Is there anyone interested in being a mentor, teacher, sounding board? > > Thanks > Charles Henry > Arkansas > jchenry500@aol.com I'm a newbee as well to beekeeping. I befriended a local bee-keeper last year and became his "apprentice" of sorts. I volunteered my time in exchange for first hand experience. This year I'm on my own. There must be bee-keepers near to where you live. It sure beats the internet in terms of learning potential. Francis From Tue Jun 18 09:59:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.seanet.com!usenet From: (WALLY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:34:59 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31c1f02b.8645085@NEWS.SEANET.COM> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: norm.seanet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 13 Jun 1996 23:50:00 -0400, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) wrote: I found that if I let the smoker warm up well at first (get some coals going at the bottom) before I start stuffing in whatever I'm useing at the time (pine cones, cardboard, egg cartons, etc.) it stays lit OK. You need to pump it every once in a while after its going, and its easy to loose track of time. Its taken me years to figure this one out. I think you are refering to propolis instead of wax on the edges of the frames. Its the stuff bees use to glue things together and block out light and drafts. Some hives use more than others. There are lots of books out there, but the one I have that I find myself referring to the most is called "Keeping Bees" by John Vivian. Lots of down to earth stuff and good pictures. From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: price of beeswax? Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:17:27 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4pt60g$92u@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Larry F wrote: >Hi, >I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. > Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? >I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. What continent are you on? From adamf@helios.oit.unc.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!helios.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@helios.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Archives Date: 16 Jun 1996 16:39:14 -0400 Organization: University of North Carolina Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4q1rdi$bb4@helios.oit.unc.edu> References: <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu In article <31C05DA9.243E@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us>, Steve Phillips wrote: >Are the discussions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping archived anywhere? Yes they are: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/ sci.agriculture.beekeeping/ Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apicultural and Beekeeping Archives adamf@sunsite.unc.edu From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.2sprint.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:24:27 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4pt6dk$92u@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) wrote: > concerned about the hundreds of >bees that sit outside the hive Most likely, nothing to worry about. The hive has to stay at a specific temperature/humidity and so the bees are more likely to be out of the hive to reduce the temp or humidity. Its their way of controlling the condition of the hive. >and all the wax that builds up on the edges >of the frames Let me know IF you ever discover the solution to this !!! > and my smokers goes out. Yep, mine too! Many solutions exist, you just have to experiment until you find one that works for you. Packed sawdust in a wire cage, pine needles, burning cow chips, on and on and on..... :-) From rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!rberean From: rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood Frame Storage Date: 15 Jun 1996 14:16:52 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4pugkk$lts@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.5] I had bad winter losses and now have about 60 brood frames to store until next summer. If I stack them about 6 high on a base plate and put a few mothballs in each stack, will the wax, pollen or honey be permanently contaminated. Should I use napthalene or paradichlorobenzene or is this just a bad idea. Thanks . From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Tue Jun 18 09:59:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief READ THIS! Date: 14 Jun 1996 16:55:04 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ps5h8$k0@hubcap.clemson.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca's message of Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:27:48 -0400 In fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca writes: > It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it > has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung > numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should > be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent > reactions to the odd sting? What can I take to relieve the swelling? (I am > taking anti-histamines.) Is there any long-term treatment to reduce such > adverse reactions? How long or how many stings does it take to get immune > to bee stings? I have read the FAQ on the subject but it deal primarily > with systemic reactions. > > Thanks for your insight. Some individuals become MORE, not less, sensitive to bee stings with increased exposure. As noted previously, you may be one of those individuals, and this may be the end of casual beekeeping for you. GO SEE A DOCTOR! Preferably an allergy specialist who is familiar with this phenomenon. DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU! People have died from this. Perhaps some of them were even taking ill-informed advice to go get stung. Anaphylactic shock is an ugly, ugly way to die. Good luck, C From ajdel@interramp.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip79.herndon10.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 14 Jun 1996 11:47:12 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4prjg0$nt6@usenet10.interramp.com> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.237.79 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:57:35 GMT In article <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> JCHenry500, jchenry500@aol.com writes: >I am looking for someone to whom I can ask some really dumb questions. >Have my first hive (for 6 weeks) but get concerned about the hundreds of >bees that sit outside the hive They're just doing the same thing you'd do on a hot evening: go out and sit on the porch. Also, if you look carefully, you'll see that some of them have their rear ends up in the air, their heads down facing the hive entrance. These are beating their wings to force air through the hive to cool it. It is important that there is a vent at the top of the hive such as is made by raising one edge of the cover (put an entrance reducer or some similarly dimensioned piece of wood on the inside cover) so that this air can circulate over the combs and out. >... and all the wax that builds up on the edges >of the frames, Many bees today are not familiar with the Rev. Langstroth's work and so are not aware that they shouldn't build burr and bridge comb in a modern hive. This is also pefectly normal (and a nuisance). >and my smokers goes out. Give it a puff of air from time to time. Don't pack it too tight. > >Is there anyone interested in being a mentor, teacher, sounding board? > Collectively there is lots of experience here at all levels from beginers (like me) to people who have been nurturing bees for years. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From studenta@learncenter.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: studenta@learncenter.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: price of beeswax? Date: 13 Jun 1996 12:39:18 -0700 Organization: Zippo Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4ppqp6$7qe@doc.zippo.com> References: <31C0EAB6.3EBC@cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.101.123.40 In article , Larry says... > >Hi, >I'm new to this group, hope this is on topic. > Does anyone know the current going price for beeswax? >I hav'nt sold any for 10 years or so and hav'nt kept track of the price. From paulp@ims.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting relief Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:26:47 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >It's my second year bee-keeping. Yesterday I was stung on my hand and it >has ballooned to the point where I can't move my fingers. (I've been stung >numerous times with little or no reaction.) I thought that by now I should >be immune to these kinds of reactions. Why do I still get such violent >reactions to the odd sting? ===============snip========== The human immune system is at best poorly understood. An exposure to an antigen today may cause decreased sensitivity to future exposure but then something changes and the opposite effect happens. A friend of mine kept bees for 20 years without problems, but then a few years ago he started getting reactions to stings similar to what you describe. He decided to give it up at that point. One thing you could do is to see an allergist who can test for sensitivity under somewhat controlled conditions. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns1.netone.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa as bio control for feral bees Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606142001392139@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 97 ---------------------------------------- * Personal e-mail from: wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Adrian Wenner) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 09:06:51 PDT Subject: Re: Aggressive island bees Hi, Andy. You wrote: >No I have never heard or experienced [strong aggression in a weak hive]; >if >anything the weaker the >hives with varroa or without the less aggressive the bees to the point >that the last dozen or so bees fly off into oblivion when opened. > >How did the bees on this isolated island get varroa mite in the first >place? How far from shore is it? We covered this topic in an abstract in last December's issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL (p. 831). That abstract was as follows: ****** Wenner, A. M., R. W. Thorp, and J. F. Barthell - VARROA MITES IN AN ISLAND ECOSYSTEM - In October 1987, we initiated a program to remove all European honey bees from Santa Cruz Island, California, in an attempt to help restore native bee populations and pollination systems in the Channel Islands National Park (Thorp, et al., 1994, Fourth California Islands Symposium, pp. 351-365; Wenner and Thorp, 1994, Fourth California Islands Symposium, pp. 513-522). That island is the largest (25,000 hectares), the most diverse of the five islands, and the only one with honey bees within the park (for more than 120 years, with apparently no interchange of bees between island and mainland during that time). Ironically, the first U.S. varroa decimated colonies were found in Wisconsin as we conceived our program and on the nearby California mainland in 1989. Unaware of the universal threat posed by varroa, we proceeded with our studies of competition between native and European honey bees and continued to exterminate honey bee colonies on the island. Besides gathering data on flower visitation and seed set, we have so far located and monitored the fate of a total of 280 colonies, those in original cavities and those in many of the nearly 150 swarm hives we have installed around the island. We eliminated most colonies found until we recognized - in the face of accumulating evidence of near total devastation of feral colonies in the U.S. - that our island honey bee colonies To retain control of the system rather than wait for colony decimation, in mid-winter of 1993-1994 we distributed 90 varroa mites on the eastern half of the island (that portion of the island closest to the mainland). We ceased efforts to eliminate colonies, permitted swarms to recolonize cavities and swarm hives, and prepared to monitor mite spread. To assist in monitoring, we installed a few colonies in Langstroth hives (with mite trays) on each half of the island. At the end of the 1995 season, 112 colonies now inhabit known sites. In the 20 months after mite dispersal, only two of the 78 pre-1995 feral colonies had perished (of unknown causes but in inaccessible locations). Monthly checks of the two Langstroth colonies indicate that varroa mites are reproducing. After a seven-hour Apistan treatment of each of the Langstroth colonies 15 months after infestation, we found 137 mites in one tray and 70 in the other. Four months later, an examination of 56 drone pupae in the former colony yielded 65 mites. Worker brood remains largely unaffected. An examination of a swarm hive colony from another drainage yielded similar results; normal worker brood pattern occurred as found in the two Langstroth colonies (very low infestation rates - 314 worker pupae had only 6 mites), but 463 drone pupae harbored 450 mites (all stages). We intend to continue monitoring the system, a unique opportunity in that no uncontrolled beekeeping activity exists in that closed (uninhabited) island situation. We have not transported any mites from the eastern half of the island to the western half, so we will eventually be able to determine how much time passes before mites infest the entire island. ********** We had hoped that a colony or two would survive and could serve as breeding stock, but results from the last two trips indicate such a possibility is remote. On the other hand, we seem to have the first documentation about the time it takes for a whole population of feral colones to go under to the mite onslaught. Best wishes. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Dept.Ecol.,Evol.,& Mar.Biol. Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2675 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-8062 * * * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the wild bee never flew, From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Permadent and Plasticell Foundation Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:13:46 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4q1ajc$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool026.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Is Mann Lake's Permadent foundation essentially the same thing as Dadant's Plasticell? From Mann Lake's description, Permadent appears similar but is sold at a significantly lower cost ($0.72 vs. $0.94 for Plasticell, lost of 1000). Any experience/comparison info is appreciated! Thanks, John in Dallas From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Replacing Old Comb Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:13:49 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool026.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Can someone kindly point me to scientific evidence that replacing old brood combs actually benefits the health and/or honey production of a colony? I've read speculation/hearsay on this, but would actually like to read the scientific basis. Thanks, John in Dallas From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 18 09:59:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Average Yield per Super Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:17:06 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q1apj$ohn@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool026.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 What is the average honey yield (extracted) per medium depth super? Per shallow super? I'm looking for a practical factor that I can use to estimate my production. Also, is there a significant difference in yield using eight frames instead of nine? Thanks, John in Dallas From NateS@svi.org Tue Jun 18 09:59:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.MediaCity.com!usenet From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Varroa Problem Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:07:18 -0700 Organization: MediaCity World http://www.mediacity.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <31C50426.2966@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.110.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Unfortunately, it looks like I've just been initiated into the Varroa club. Oh, Joy! So, I could use some advice from some veteran beekeepers. I've only got two hive, one of which is infected. I'm certain that I caught it early, since I requeened the hive about a month ago and only the new bees have the mites (I lost the queen when I pulled some frames to start the second... I think I transferred her by accident). Anyway, the hive is in its second year and had no known problems previous to the requeening. The connection between the requeening and the first appearance of the mites gets me thinking... could I have gotten a bad batch of bees with the queen? Is there any seriously implemented regulation on queen bee distribution to avoid the spread of mites?? Should I contact the queen supplier? Of course, I know that there is no way to know for sure where the mites came from, but the timing sure makes me wonder. So, I'm going to add Apistan to both hives (no honey supers this year). I read about putting a collector with sticky paper at the base of the hive. Is that something that I can buy, build, need?? Should I do anything else?? I'm really concerned about introducing Varroa into the area (if it really did come from the queen supplier). I know of two bee trees that sit several hundred feet from my hives that lived there before I started beekeeping in the area. Of course, I can't really treat them with Apistan but is there something I should do to avoid the possible spread into the wild population (unless that's where it came from). Help.... thanks. Nate From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: mavrik Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:33:41 GMT References: <31C21673.6CA6@pacifier.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 If you look carefully on the back of your container of Mavrik, you will notice something quite obvious: the lack of label mixing directions for the control of Varroa mite. If it is your intention to do the following; break a Federal Law, risk contaminating your honey with pesticide, and ruin the reputation for purity that American honey has held for years, go right ahead. But, kindly don't ask fellow beekeepers to assist you in this endeavor. Jon Camp - Silver City Apiaries From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 20:44:24 GMT References: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 I'd like to see the same evidence. I heard the same rumors; that one should replace comb when it became the color of chocolate. (but was that milk or semi-sweet?) I also heard from a reliable source, that a study was done many years ago at the Tuscon Lab in AZ of exactly what possible contaminants might remain in old comb, even after it was processed for new foundation. Evidently, the results were so startling that the study information was sealed and the project was cancelled. One can only surmise that the results were not favorable? I was also told that one of the researchers is still active in the scientific field of apiculture but will not publicly disclose the information that was gathered. I guess we still be left to wonder what it was that the feds didn't want us (as beekeepers) or the public to know. J. Camp From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Validity of "new" Varroa mite control? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:03:53 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 I was recently sent a letter by a beekeeper friend describing a "new" combination of four otc chemicals applied by soaking a sponge in this mixture and placing it on the top bars for ten days, and repeating the procedure four times. I was also informed that this procedure was being tested by the USDA and was sanctioned by the same agency as experimental. Without openly revealing the ingredients, has anyone else heard of this procedure, or has anyone working for any state or Federal Ag. agency heard of this procedure and it's legitimacy? I have heard rumors of formic acid, thymol, and various other relatively available ingedients being used and/or tested for use for the control of Varroa in colonies, but no legitimate means of using them without penalty or risk of contamination of honey. I wouldn't mind forgoing a saleable honey crop on several colonies if there were a legal way to register for experimental control. Anybody run across anybody involved in such a program(s) either public or private? Or the results of the much touted use of Formic acid and why we haven't heard about legitimate use of it? Jon Camp From matti.heikkila@hut.fi Tue Jun 18 09:59:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!usenet From: "Matti Heikkilä" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: 17 Jun 1996 09:21:04 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4q3820$r9f@nntp.hut.fi> References: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpc.hut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: jcaldeira@earthlink.net jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > > Can someone kindly point me to scientific evidence that replacing >old brood combs actually benefits the health and/or honey production >of a colony? > > I've read speculation/hearsay on this, but would actually like to >read the scientific basis. > >Thanks, >John in Dallas > Hello everybody! I have done beekeeping over 10 years and have replaced old combs frequently. I thought always that the main reason is that if you don't replace your old combs your bees are getting smaller. And an another reason is that my friends want to have brighter honey. Honey from brood combs is a bit darker. Matti From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!world1.bawave.com!news.clark.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National News of BEES Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606160848552146@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 52 WOW, a double dose of press PR on beekeeping problems used to draw the viewers attention from the Presidential problems with the FBI files found at the White house and into the bee yards of America's beekeepers. According to CNN all that is left for us beekeepers is to hear the fat lady singing as we are losing the battle to the vampire mite and the T mites. Our civilization is being threatened because of all that value added to the food chain by our bees is sure to be soon lost. Wild honey bees are gone, and beekeepers are following their lead and fleeing the bee industry with little but the shirts on our backs. But not to worry the USDA is hard at work designing a honeybee that fights back and is not affected by the mites. Funny thought went through my mind as I watched these programs, and that is that the bees that are not surviving the winter or what ever stress puts them down are for the most part mite free because of the chemicals the beekeeping are using according to the regulations, labels's and best advice of the USDA. I can't explain the loss of feral honeybee populations but only to say they are only a reflection of the managed or hive bee populations and have been reduced in at least this area way before any mites were know to bee in the US and I know that in total there has been very little long term study done on the feral honeybees to support their disappearance or the cause which could be from any number of environmental changes temporary or long term. Now NBC takes a different approach with the good news that the so called "killer" bees are not the killers they were made out to be, and better then that in Texas they have become hard to find (for over the last two years) because they must have all been integrated by our good bee gene pool or some such waco babble. I would suggest that maybe the reason they are hard to find is that "they were never there in the first place", and maybe it could be when the USDA brought in a real geneticist who was not swayed by the so called BS (bee science) from those in the USDA and elsewhere who would stoup so low as to do everything they could to show a real aggressive and dangerous bee problem for the public cameras, including if you have not noticed not using smoke when pulling hives apart, and this neophyte bee scientist went out on a search for the so called TEX-MEX bee and did not find any...Two years later the press is telling us something which could be a preview of a 60 Minutes special down the road or maybe just Night Line, and for sure many local news outlets will give this story legs for a day or so in the farm belt if nothing else. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Jun 18 09:59:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frame Storage Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:26:45 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4q3pv5$hib@news.sandia.gov> References: <4pugkk$lts@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: > Should I use napthalene or paradichlorobenzene or >is this just a bad idea. Thanks . Paradichlorobenzene is the correct one to use. It comes in crystal form. Do not use napthalene. Victor in Albuquerque. From hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tom.compulink.co.uk From: MICHAEL HURLEY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first successful swarm! Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:31:39 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: Reply-To: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tom.compulink.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:25 BST-1 X-Mail2News-Path: tom.compulink.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Varroa Problem Date: 17 Jun 1996 16:13:09 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 62 Message-ID: <4q406l$a98@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <31C50426.2966@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin051.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: NateS@svi.org Hi Nate, If you really get the mites a month ago with your new queen and the handfull of nursing bees than there is no need to start the treatment in the next 2-3 month, because the Varroa population is in the moment to weak to effect your collonies. It take some time for them to grow dangerous, and there is no need to give up the honey season. In Germany the mites are present in all hives, and the beekeepers do Varroa treatment in fall or winter, depending on the method they use, after the honey season. So, if you got only a small number of mites in your hive there is no need to start treatment immeadly. Do it after honey harvesting, because if you give no room for collecting honey you will get problems with swarming bees very soon. They will have no more room for breeding, because you can´t stop them from collecting nectar and they will store it in the breeding room. If there are serious numbers of mites in your hives, and you want to start a treatment now, than it might be an idea to think about methods which make no trouble with the honey: 1.-the mites reproduce only in sealed broodcells, and they prefer drone (male) brood (longer time of development). A way to reduce the mite population during the honey season is to cut out frames with sealed drone brood (burn them!), or, if your bees had no sealed brood for a period of 1-2 weeks (maybee they had no queen for htis period) remove the first frame with sealed broodcells >from the new queen. Most of the mites should be in these cells for reproduction. 2.-formic acid is very effective in Varroa control. It is known that residues of formic acid in honey are reduced during 2 month to the natural amount of formic acid in honey. A short time treatment with formic acid for 2 weeks (for example in a honey break) will control the mites and have only a small temporary, or no effect on the later collected honey. Another positive point of formic acid is, that you get the mites also in the brood cells. If a mite treatment can wait to the end of the honey season I would recommend 1., otherwise I would think about 2.. with best regards Ulli P.S. You can get the mites from your beekeeping neigbour, bees visit other hives very often for robbery or in case of navigation errors etc (or drones from other colonies!). and transfer the mites. It will take some time to see the first mites on the bees, because they have to build up a population. You will never be able to find a single mite in a hive (most of them are inside the broodcells). I would prefer this explanation, because it will take more time than a month to build up a visible Varroa population in a hive if there are only a few starter mites transfered with a new queen and their nursing bees (or did you add a large number of bees to your hive (packet-bees)?) I hope you are able to get throug my cruel english and will find a way to live with the mites, because they will never leave you forever (You might kill 99% with apistan or others, but 1% is suffcient to built up a new population). From peddler@io.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.io.com!usenet From: peddler@io.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Murdered Farmers wife needs your help Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:26:49 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q41e0$p0k@nntp-1.io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.170.92.2 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 6/12/96 a nice old man named Bailey was murdered in his field in Dickinson Texas near Houston. Since he was gunned down his invalid widow has relied on nieghbors to feed her pigs and cows. She needs to sell her livestock,tractor and other farm equipment. She does not want charity,but if you would be interested in buying her out at a fair price please contact me by e-mail or call James Bond-his real name-at 713-337-3069 God Bless Forrest Charnock From bbirkey@interaccess.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beehive Plans Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:22:50 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 80 Message-ID: <31C5865A.1086@interaccess.com> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d46.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5C04241266EA" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C04241266EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all who have requested plans for building a beehive - I have finally managed to get my web site up and now have the working drawings available for making the Langstroth 10 frame hive and cutting the box joints. 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--------------5C04241266EA-- From peddler@io.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.io.com!usenet From: peddler@io.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Murdered Farmers Wife Need Help Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:01:24 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4q43f1$de4@anarchy.io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-01-005.houston.io.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On 6/12/96 a nice old man named Bailey was murdered in his field in Dickinson Texas near Houston. Since he was gunned down his invalid widow has relied on nieghbors to feed her pigs and cows. She needs to sell her livestock,tractor and other farm equipment. She does not want charity,but if you would be interested in buying her out at a fair price please contact me by e-mail or call James Bond-his real name-at 713-337-3069 God Bless Forrest Charnock From us71na@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: us71na@aol.com (US71NA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite control without chemicals Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:16:53 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q47el$ebh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: us71na@aol.com (US71NA) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Are there any ways that seem to be working to control varroa or trachael mites without resorting to chemicals. I heard that perhaps planting spearmint near the hives will control one or the other. Has anyone had any experice with this or other methods. Second question, what are the most successful chemical treatments and when are they best applied for bees that are to winter over in northern PA. I had no trouble until mites landed about two years ago. Lee From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Average Yield per Super Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:50:12 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 15 Message-ID: <31C59AD4.6D4B@umich.edu> References: <4q1apj$ohn@colombia.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) John Caldeira wrote: > > > What is the average honey yield (extracted) per medium depth super? > Per shallow super? I'm looking for a practical factor that I can use > to estimate my production. > > Also, is there a significant difference in yield using eight frames > instead of nine? > I don't know about the shallow depth super, but I have checked my yields on medium depth supers for several years, and it averages exactly 40 lbs per super, with eight frames per super. I have never used nine frames in supers, so could not comment on that. Ted Fischer From tvf@umich.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frame Storage Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:54:13 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31C59BC5.1362@umich.edu> References: <4pugkk$lts@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: > > I had bad winter losses and now have about 60 brood > frames to store until next summer. If I stack them about 6 > high on a base plate and put a few mothballs in each stack, > will the wax, pollen or honey be permanently contaminated. > Should I use napthalene or paradichlorobenzene or > is this just a bad idea. Thanks . I used to put the paradichlorobenzene into the stack, as you suggest, but it did contaminate the combs, and make them hard to get accepted by the bees again. I think it works fine to throw the crystals about at the foot and top of the (covered) stack. The moths won't come around if the whole room or shed smells of crystals. (However, mold you still will get!!) Ted Fischer From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee cryogenics? Date: 17 Jun 1996 19:03:09 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4q4a5d$7ap@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Can early brood be frozen (i.e. by liquid N2) to be revitalized at a later time? -mike From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 17 Jun 1996 16:15:56 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q4eds$kcd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4prjg0$nt6@usenet10.interramp.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Thanks to all. Have several willinf to help. "With bees, you never know"..Poo From paulp@ims.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor (find the Queen) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:50:38 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4ptcoc$7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <4ptcoc$7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> wizdoom@aol.com (WizDoom) writes: >Hi everyone, >I am also new to beekeeping. I live in tuc ,az and i am looking for >suggestions on how best to locate the queen. I need to requeen a colony >but i am having trouble finding her. Its an old unkept hive that was given >to me that was mite unfested and crammed full of honey but all the comb >was dark and no foundations in the frames. >What a mess. Trying to nurse it to full strength but it has been tough. My >first year >with bees and I love it . Jest two hives but lloking for more. >Thanks in advance. I use a technique which I read about here for re-queening without finding the old queen. It goes something like this: Take a few frames of brood from the hive, brush the nurse bees back into the hive (so you are positive the queen is not on these frames). Put these frames in another box and put it on top of the old hive with a queen excluder separating them. Put the lid back on and leave them alone for half an hour while more nurse bees move up into it. What you have done now is to make a nuc without a queen. Now you can introduce the new queen into this nuc and either remove it as a separate hive, or leave it in place as a two queen colony. If you do the latter, you can wait until the new queen gets established and then move more brushed off frames to the upper section until the lower section (with the old queen) is a more manageable size. (Divide and conquere?) Have fun. This technique has helped me with a few difficult situations. From survey@uoguelph.ca Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!winternet.com!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!torn!ccshst05.uoguelph.ca!tdg.res.uoguelph.ca!survey From: survey@uoguelph.ca (Rural Extension Studies Survey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Research Study on Rural Internet Use Date: 17 Jun 1996 20:38:41 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4q4foh$g7h@ccshst05.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tdg.res.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rural areas are often at a disadvantage when trying to access emerging technologies. A group of researchers at the University of Guelph are exploring how rural residents are able to access, use, and adapt to the Internet. The purpose of this study is to determine how rural residents differ from urban residents in their use of the Internet, and to determine the impact of Internet use on agriculture and agriculture related businesses. The information gathered will be used to help eliminate barriers to Internet use, and to improve the quality of Internet services offered to rural residents. Responses to the survey will be completely anonymous, however once the survey has been completed, participants will be offered the opportunity to enter a draw for a free pass to an upcoming conference on Rural Telecommunications, and a University of Guelph sweatshirt and baseball cap. Your assistance would be valuable to this study. Please take the time to fill out the survey and alert others of it's existence. The survey and more information regarding the study is located at: Internet use in Rural Areas http://tdg.uoguelph.ca/rural/ For those who do not have web access, an alternative format is available on request. Please send a message to survey@tdg.uoguelph.ca for more information. Thank you for your assistance, Don Richardson, Linda Mayhew and Wendy Truelove From softanswer@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weak Hive Date: 17 Jun 1996 20:07:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am new to beekeeping. I now have two hives: the first was started about 2 months ago with part of a hive gathered from an old house that was discovered when siding torn off. Turns out there was a queen and the hive is developing albeit slowly. Three weeks ago I started a new hive with a three pound package and it is thriving and almost ready for the 2nd super. These bees are robbing the feeder from the original hive, emptying it twice as fast as their own feeder. The two hives are side by side four feet apart. My question is: would it be okay to destroy the queen from the original hive and move it to become the 2nd super for the new hive? Or would I be better off getting a new super and perhaps moving the weak hive away? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Wayne Brown From dxn3520@Montana.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!pagesat.net!maw.montana.com!news From: doug baty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa mite control Date: 18 Jun 1996 02:27:46 GMT Organization: Internet Connect Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4q5472$19r@maw.montana.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blk1-41.montana.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping After losing 23 of my 30 hives two years ago to mites, I was feeling some despair about keeping bees, since I did not want to depend on using Apistan. (I had used it in the fall prior to the loss of my hives). Last summer I began using the herbal mixture which Steve Tuttle calls 'Mite Solution'. I want to share with other beekeepers my results. All 7 of the hives I started with last summer came through this winter in good shape. I have checked drone brood in each hive and used new Apistan strips in 2 of the hives with sticky boards for a 2 day test and have found NO MITES. Somehow the product is working. Unfortunately, Steve has chosen not to make public which herbs are in it (it smells like Tea Tree oil, but apparently isn't). Anyhow, from my limited experience, it does work, although I applied it in with Crisco patties rather than on a screen outside of the hive as he had recommended- that just didn't seem to work well for me. Anyone else had any positive or negative experiences? From jcschaper@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: 17 Jun 1996 23:59:29 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q59j1$ic7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4prjg0$nt6@usenet10.interramp.com> Reply-To: jcschaper@aol.com (JCSchaper) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com do the bees have enough space in the breeding room? maybe there are some honey combs that are full and the bees don't have enough space (also a problem with heat) the young bees just sit oudside because they have nothing to do, it is hot, and maybe not enough space. Maybe you just change a honey-comb with an empty frame so that they have something to do, regards, Christoph Schaper (germany) also beginner From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much can these gals eat? Date: 18 Jun 1996 00:57:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4q5d0e$lvg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com My package hive is about 2 months old. I have a Boardman feeder in place with a 16 ounce jar. This is empty every day! I have looked and looked, there is no sign of a leak! Can they really eat this much. SHould I keep feeding them, or are they just pigs. I put the new jar on last night and watched. Every 30 seconds or so there was a little bubble going up through the jar. Waited about 45 minutes and removed it and looked in the feeder, no loose syrup. So I'm pretty sure it isn't leaking? So feed and wait? Thanks From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.randomc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almonds Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606171733012149@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 132 *FYI* more info then you every wanted to know on bees & almonds. ---------------------------------------- SP>From: Sid Pullinger >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:29:33 +0100 >Subject: Almonds SP>My thanks to Andy Nachbaur for his very long reply and to Frank Humphrey for >his very short one. As regards the latter, we also have 640 acres to the >square mile so it would appear that our measurements coincide. Now why >should measurements fool me? 600,000 acres divided by 640 gives my figure >of 625 square miles and that, I repeat, represents a lot of almonds. If >they require 800,000 hives for pollination that bill alone must run into >many million dollars. A huge industry. Surely they do not all go into >cakes and candy bars. Hi Sid, The highest price is paid for the smallest almonds, because they can be used in candy bars whole. Hershey Chocolate Company uses so many almonds in their candy that they actually built a factory in the heart of the almonds because the savings in freight alone would pay for the multi million dollar factory over the years. In 1996 it is estimated that the beekeepers who supplied the bees for almond pollination received an average of $32.00 dollars for each hive provided for the almond bloom, that would add up to more then $25 million dollars cash flow to the beekeepers, which they spent for sugar, fuel, and in replacing bees for next years bloom. Only a few beekeepers could support themselves off the almond bloom alone, and sadly most others need the cash flow from the almonds to start the season in hopes of that big honey crop later on. About half the almonds produced are processed by one grower CO-OP called the Almond Growers Exchange. They at one time in the early days handled honey for beekeepers but failed in that effort and lost a lot of money for the beekeepers. A few years ago they also had to be stopped from selling one product they called "Almond Honnies" that listed artificial honey (sugar) in the ingredient statement, but contained NO (O%) honey, they do use a few drums of honey annually in a almond candy they manufacture for the Christmas trade and for their own retail stores. In total little honey is used in almond products in favor of cheep sugar and corn products. This is one area that the beekeepers could significantly increase the consumption of honey if the right pressure was applied like in the deal you can't turn down. "USE MY HONEY, or get NO BEES!" The almonds are shook from the trees when dry in the fall or late summer. They then are picked up and taken to a almond hulling plant that removes the dry outer hull (not shell). The hull is used for cattle feed if not too contaminated with farm chemicals. The nuts then can be dried if needed, and sent on for further processing which includes the removing of the wood shell. They shell is also used. The almonds are then graded and start the long manufacturing process which is mostly grading, sorting, and then slicing, dicing, blanching, grinding, packaging, and for a few hard shell almonds, bleaching the shells for those nice white shelled holiday almonds sold in the shell. The grower is paid for the weight of the meat of the nuts, quality, and damage. Damage can include everything from the natural splitting of the nuts to insect damage. Nuts are also sold according to the verities, the ones that produce the smaller nuts are worth more. In total it is a billion dollar industry with the potential to return a billion dollars to the growers which it has yet to do, but $700,000,000. is nothing to turn up one's noise at and will buy a lot of farm chemicals and oil. As for the value of the almond bloom to the bees themselves. Because it is one of the early blooming plants in California, and for many beekeepers today the only early spring pasture they know, it is of course considered a good early spring build up food for bees. The truth is that until the almond growers started paying beekeepers to move into the almonds most beekeepers who lived adjacent to them would not go out of their way to place bees near any almond orchard. They had learned >from experience that the almond bloom was pretty but not the ideal pasture for honeybees. Early day beekeepers who lived in the almond orchards would say its value was in the fact they they could do their first bee inspection during the almond bloom and little else. Bees will find a build up in California boarder to boarder a month earlier or a month later from many different spring wild flowers and are not bound to the almond trees for spring build up. In fact in the later years it was determined that almond pollen or nectar actually contains a natural sugar that will retard brood development because it is actually toxic to bees. This is the principal reason almond pollen piles up in the brood chamber during the almond bloom, (a sure sign to beekeepers it is a good pollen source, but actually it is not, and only because it is the only source is it considered good at all.) Almond pollen and or nectar does have a unknown attractor in the pollen/nectar that does attract the bees away for other flowers for a few hours each day the short time it takes the bees to collect all the pollen and nectar only to return to other wild flowers if available. Sadly the farmers have taken to seeing bees on other flowers as a sign they are not working their almonds and for years have spent much time in preventing other flowers during the almond bloom with chemicals and tractors. Much attention also has been paid to the dispersal of bees in the almonds, mostly because of grower concerns that they are providing bees for their neighbour. Several times research has been carried out to determine how the bees should be placed in the almonds. The placement in small groups as practiced today does not increase the almond yields at all and only makes more work for the beekeeper. Some beekeepers have found that to charge more for smaller groups of bees cures this problem but few growers allow truck loads in one spot which is all that is has been needed from day one as the bees disperse like water poured from a jug on a table top. The more water pored the farther the dispersal. No orchard has ever been found in California that bees could not be found during the bloom, yet many orchards do not have bees in them. No factual information other then individual trees caged to keep bees out can be cited to show bees or bees in certain numbers are needed for almond pollination. Almonds are cross pollinated between different parent trees grown in alternating rows. The bees must move the heavy pollen from the male parts of one verity to the female parts of another. Almond pollen is very heavy and is not dispersed by the wind. The flowers shed pollen in the late afternoon and are attractive to bees then and in the mornings. The bee collected pollen is very strange, and brakes down even when frozen. It will ferment very fast, and is bitter. They honey is also bitter and seldom gathered in surplus so as to be extracted by beekeepers. The best almond location are those that are adjacent to other flowers, along rivers lined with trees or in areas that have natural ground covers of mustard or other flowers. In good years the bees will swarm in the almonds without beekeeper care. NOT a problem the last few years in California. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.randomc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFRICAN QUEEN, the True Story Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606171733012148@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <473u0b$gre@news.iadfw.net> <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> Lines: 82 *FYI* Found on the Internet, author unknown. Wymyn's Apian Rights, NOW! The ferocious despoliation of aboriginal rights imposes its Eurocentric atrocities without abatement! Invading apiarists across South America, Central America and North America exterminated non-extant indigenous bees in an unrelenting frenzy of genocidal haemolymphbath to install their Quisling Apis mellifera carnica bee slaves. Gentle, environmentally-aware Native American hymenoptera existing only in revisionist political doctrine were brutally swept aside that foreign vassal bees constantly tortured within the Protestant ethic - make as much honey as fast as you can and surrender it to Caesar - would be free to despoil and destroy the entire Earth in their desperate, greedy search for nectar. A disgusting display of international racism was the involuntary capture and compassionless importation of revolutionarily-aware killer bees, Apis mellifera scutellata, from their African home continent to South American slave pens. Daughters of African queens were intensively schooled in the radical dialectic of national and international class struggles of the proletariat despite the mystifications and distortions promulgated by the bourgeois media. They sought to regain their God-bequeathed natural rights to empowerment, liberty and unconstrained State- donated subsistence endowments by stinging to death their captors and overseers. They surrendered their own lives bounteously and without fear that their descendants could once again fly through a joyously communal sky, each donating what she would and taking what she could. What followed was an official program of unremitting rape of proud African queens by European drones. Their wombs were transformed into battlegrounds. It was a heartless policy of ethnic cleansing engineered to create a bastardized population of docile slaves. Sisterhood is strong! Colonies fled, multiplied and headed north to deliver the war of liberation to their self-proclaimed masters' doorsteps. A tsunami of angry sisters swept through the whole of South America, past Panama and through Mexico. The fruits of their loins were abundant. Guerrilla commandos of reproductive warriors swam within a sea of the peasantry. They secured local resources, gaining strength and numbers through the unending process of collectivist dialectic. The long march continued. Oppressed Mexican peoples, long denied their rights to enjoy the rewards of productivity in the absence of their contribution to it, streamed into America to secure their just and proper birthright. They were joined by African queens and their colonies. The next generation would seize uhuru and revenge! While the quest for African freedom continued against all odds, while myriads of sisters gave their stings and their lives in unselfish sacrifice to the People's goals... the capitalist oppressors were not complacent. Death strode the land conquered by African queens. Hives were blasted and burned. African queens were crushed into pulp by vicious apiarists. European drone flooding denied them proud African fathers for their children. Government-financed breeding camps witnessed the mechanical extraction of European drone semen and its pitiless injection into bound but forever defiant African queens. Through it all the land filled with racially pure descendants quick to award death to despots and counter-revolutionaries! The day of liberation is close at hand. The heavy hand of American Federal multivariate discriminant analysis seeks to ferret out and destroy the race. Apiculturalists exercise the prerogatives of eugenics, measuring the angles at which wing veins intersect, the length and width of wings and leg segments, and other gospels of their "science," and then commit state- sanctioned murder. Weak and subverted European slave bees are allowed to survive. Strong and proud African bees are butchered. All the while the unstoppable deluge of freedom-seeking peoples continues unstopped and unstoppable. Texas and California have fallen. The rich nectaries of the Mid-Western states await. The future is ours to behold, and seize. When the last of the cowardly hexapodal European settlers have been expunged from our lands we will inexorably set out to obliterate the bipodal European masters whose ghastly outrage it is that we were to be lost to our heritage and our ancestral soil and the very genetic endowment defining us. That bright day is all but arrived. In the meanwhile there is an incalculable slaughter to perform. 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Please mention Uncle Al and the name of the article in question. _________________________________________________________________ From black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 18 09:59:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.demon.co.uk!black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak Hive Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:29:25 +0100 Organization: Technology for Business Plc Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, SoftAnswer writes >would it be okay to destroy the queen from >the original hive and move it to become the 2nd super for the new hive? >Or would I be better off getting a new super and perhaps moving the weak >hive away? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. > >Wayne Brown --Don't unite the weak colony onto your good one, yet. Figure out (or ask) why its weak, it could be diseased and you don't want to spoil the good one. You also want to stop the robbing. If you can move it away (3 miles) do so. Otherwise make sure the boxes are completely bee-tight and close the entrance right down to a couple of bees wide. This gives the weak colony a better chance of defending against robbers. Feed in the evening when flying stops and use a contact feeder. Consider using Fumadil in the feed as Nosema is a likely culprit, check your brood pattern, test for both mites; FIND OUT WHY ITS WEAK. Dave Black From auxilab@pna.servicom.es Tue Jun 18 09:59:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!ns.mad.servicom.es!news From: Alfonso Ainciburu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey dates Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:08:01 +0200 Organization: Auxilab Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31C68001.5C3C@pna.servicom.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp_mad_259.inf.servicom.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hello: I am looking for some technicaln dates of honey like: Viscosity. Density. nD (refractive index) Coul someone help me. Best regards Alfonso Ainciburu auxilab@pna.servicom.es From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Jun 18 09:59:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!mr.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns1.netone.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aggressive island bees Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606142001392140@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 55 *FYI follow up post.. ---------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 09:06:51 PDT >Subject: Re: Aggressive island bees W> We covered this topic in an abstract in last December's issue of the >AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL (p. 831). That abstract was as follows: Hi Adrian, thanks for the info. W> To retain control of the system rather than wait for colony decimation, >in mid-winter of 1993-1994 we distributed 90 varroa mites on the eastern W> In the 20 months after mite dispersal, only two of the 78 pre-1995 feral >colonies had perished (of unknown causes but in inaccessible locations). >Monthly checks of the two Langstroth colonies indicate that varroa mites W>********** W> We had hoped that a colony or two would survive and could serve as >breeding stock, but results from the last two trips indicate such a >possibility is remote. Very sad, just the removals of the bees alone is enough to make me sad. W> On the other hand, we seem to have the first documentation about the >time it takes for a whole population of feral colones to go under to the >mite onslaught. Much faster then others have reported. Makes me wonder if the type of bee forage season is not an important factor. It really is too bad that an area like this is gone for the much needed study of closed populations of feral honeybees. I am sure there are other areas but don't know of any in California. I guess someone could stock one of the other islands that you have not found any honeybees on if they were big enough to support them. I wonder about the scientific ethics of this kind of research it seems to me that honey bees in general are having a very difficult time in the wild if you want to believe all the reports that have been made by beekeepers and others. Not to fault you in anyway, but thinking of something I know about a honey plant considered a bad pest that ranchers have been fighting for 100+ years that extends from Texas to California and south to Argentina, but at the same time is THE major honey plant for beekeepers in the same area. Should I release this information on a biological agent to control this plant and see the elimination of the bee forage plant making the range management people happy or take it to the grave knowing that in time some other observant person will make a name in reporting what I may have seen first? ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there were honeybees" From drabik@gaulois.cad.cea.fr Tue Jun 18 10:00:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!cea.fr!news From: drabik@gaulois.cad.cea.fr (drabik) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BIOMORPHOGRAPHER, BIOPROGRAMMER Date: 18 Jun 1996 12:42:18 GMT Organization: cisi Lines: 182 Message-ID: <4q687a$k5a@news.cea.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-moose.cad.cea.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:12069 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4666 For more information, contact : JEAN-LUC DUVERGER 81, Boulevard Boisson - 13004 MARSEILLE - FRANCE TEL: (33) 91 49 05 49 - FAX : (33) 91 49 65 05 R.C MARSEILLE 87 A C1 SIRET 339 995 839 00026 CODE APE 511T FR 34339995839 PEPISTA SYSTEM BIOMORPHOGRAPHER - BIOPROGRAMMER I.N.R.A.(*) PATENTED PRODUCTS THIS SYSTEM IS BASED ON A SIMPLE BIOLOGICAL PRINCIPAL, i.e : TO ASSUME ITS PHOTOSYNTHESIS ACTIVITY, A PLANT ABSOBS WATER THROUGH ITS ROOTS AND TRANSPIRES IT THROUGH ITS LEAVES. 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UNE FONCTION ORIGINALE DU LOGICIEL PROPRE AU MODULE PEPISTA PERMET ALORS DE DECLENCHER L'IRRIGATION AVANT MEME QUE LES PLANTES N'AIENT EU A SOUFFRIR D'UN MANQUE D'EAU. PEPISTA 3000 INFORME LE SYSTME PEPISTA SUIT EN DIRECT LA CROISSANCE DES PLANTES, (BIOMORPHOGRAPHE) ET PEUT DONNER L'ALERTE SUR DES INCIDENTS AUTRES QUE L'IRRIGATION. GRACE A UN PROGRAMME POUR MICRO-ORDINATEUR, IL EST POSSIBLE DE RECUPERER A TOUT MOMENT LES INFORMATIONS ENREGISTREES PAR PEPISTA ET DE VISUALISER LES COURBES D'EVOLUTION DES VEGETAUX : MINI ET MAXI JOURNALIER, CROISSANCE GENERALE... LES COURBES PEUVENT METTRE EN EVIDENCE DES INCIDENTS AUTRES QUE L'IRRIGATION (FERTILISATION, MALADIES, REGULATION...) ELLES PERMETTENT D'ETUDIER LES REACTIONS DES PLANTES SOUMISES A DIVERS TRAITEMENTS, D'EFFECTUER DES COMPARAISONS DE DEVELOPPEMENT... UNE JUSTE DOSE D'EAU ADAPTEE AUX BESOINS REELS DES PLANTES ISSU DE LA RECHERCHE, PEPISTA EST DEVENU UN OUTIL QUOTIDIEN POUR LES AGRICULTEURS LES PLUS EXIGEANTS, VISANT LES PLUS HAUTS RENDEMENTS ET LA MEILLEURES QUALITE DE RECOLTE. CARACTERISTIQUES TECHNIQUES DE PEPISTA 3000 BOITIER ELECTRONIQUE ETANCHE : - 8 ENTREES CAPTEUR - 1 BORNIER DE DECLENCHEMENT D'IRRIGATION - 1 PRISE TERMINAL POUR LA PROGRAMMATION DU MODULE ET LA RECUPERATION DES DONNEES. ALIMENTATION ELECTRIQUE AU CHOIX : - BATTERIE 12 VOLTS, AUTONOMIE SUPERIEURE A 3 MOIS AVEC 70 AH - PANNEAU SOLAIRE 10 W CRETE, 12 VOLTS cc ACEC UNE BATTERIE TAMPON 6 AH. CAPACITE DE MEMOIRE DU MODULE : - 7 JOURS AVEC 8 VOIES ET 48 SCRUTATIONS PAR JOUR ET PAR VOIE... CAPTEURS : -PRECISION : 1/100e DE mm - DISTANCE MAXI ENTRE LES CAPTEURS ET LE BOITIER : 100 cm CE SYSTEME EST DEJA UTILISE PAR DES CENTRES DE RECHERCHES ET DES EXPLOITATIONS AGRICOLES DANS UNE QUARANTAINE DE PAYS. From bermshot@ix.netscape.com Tue Jun 18 10:00:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need a mentor Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:12:13 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31C18F5D.6002@ix.netscape.com> References: <4pqnh8$477@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca40-05.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 14 9:09:22 AM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I too am, a beginner. But I don't think you nbeed to worry about suck things. Maybe put another super on. That might help with the bees and extra wax. They might not have anyplace else to hangout and build wax. As far as your smoker goes, that happens to me too. I've found that if I use pine nnedles I don't have this problem. Put a small amount in your smoker and light it. Once it is really burning, put more in and pump it a few times. While you are working, squeeze it every now and then to keep it going. Mike From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Honey Date: 23 Jun 1996 00:32:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 55 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4qihcp$3do@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <9606221713082169@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <9606221713082169@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >Subject: Looking for Honey >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:20:00 GMT > > >*FYI* Honey Wanted! > > ---------------------------------------- >From: GMN Internet Services >To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:44:36 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Looking for Honey > >Dear Mr. Nachbaur, > > Our client, Really Raw Honey Company, is looking for honey to purchase >for the fall packing season, and we have agreed to help in their search. >We would like to ask whether you are aware of beeekeepers, if not >yourself then perhaps others, interested in marketing unprocessed >organic honey, in either small or large quantities. Our client's >Web page describes in a little more detail their requirements. It's at: > >http://www.erols.com/gmnins/bennett/rlraw1.htm > >You can also contact them directly at: > >Really Raw Honey Company >1301 S. Baylis St. >Baltimore, MD 21224 >410 675 7233 or 1-800-REALRAW >FAX: 410 675 7411 > >Thank you very much for any leads you can provide. > >Tony Notari >GMN Internet Services Anyone who has dealt with this company, please comment, positively or negatively. I heard of one beekeeper who had a dickens of a time getting paid. I have a blanket policy, in dealing with companies I don't know -- cash at delivery. Cuts sales, but sometimes honey is more valuable sitting in my warehouse. To (mis)quote an old saying: Let the *seller* beware. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Honey Date: 23 Jun 1996 06:39:45 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 71 Message-ID: <4qiorh$nhr@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <9606221713082169@beenet.com> <4qihcp$3do@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Pollinator (pollinator@aol.com) wrote: : In article <9606221713082169@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy : Nachbaur) writes: : >Subject: Looking for Honey : >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) : >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:20:00 GMT : > : > : >Dear Mr. Nachbaur, : > : > Our client, Really Raw Honey Company, is looking for honey to purchase : >for the fall packing season, and we have agreed to help in their search. : >We would like to ask whether you are aware of beeekeepers, if not : >yourself then perhaps others, interested in marketing unprocessed : >organic honey, in either small or large quantities. Our client's : >Web page describes in a little more detail their requirements. It's at: : > : Anyone who has dealt with this company, please comment, positively or : negatively. I heard of one beekeeper who had a dickens of a time getting : paid. : I have a blanket policy, in dealing with companies I don't know -- : cash at delivery. : Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green This product is sold in a large portion of the mid-atlantic seaboard (including Philadelphia). I find their packaging very annoying and the product substandard. For the record, my own honey, which I sell as unprocessed and without use of miticides or antibiotics (yes I took a very large hit last winter and had to buy nukes this spring (but I've got some feral stock which survived and looks promising) is competing with theirs in some stores, so I'm not a disinterested observer. The packaging is annoying in that it claims to be the only honey on the market that is certified to be organic. How they certify it, particularly if they've got an agent on the net requesting bids, is unknown to me. I've never seen it in an ungranulated, apparently creamed form, so I also have to wonder about the claims of unprocessing. Which leads me to the product itself. As I said, it is in creamed form with foreign material at the top and the bottom of the jar. It looks likes they just don't strain it and then call the resulting mess "really raw." One problem with this is some of that material (e.g., bees, wax moth larva) contains water and that water will eventually be absorbed into the honey and upset the constraints against fermentation. I've seen this in one of their jars at a supermarket. The contents had oozed out of the closed jar and fermentation had or was occurring, as evidenced by the meady smell. In a nutshell, I think they are misleading the public and doing beekeepers a disservice. The implications of their packaging and their product are that truly raw honey must be granulated and look creamy but be full of impurities. THis is not what happens to strained but otherwise unprocessed honey (as you all know). Hence, consumers are being conditioned by this product to have false expectations regarding unprocessed honey. Moreover, they are reaping an unfair market advantage by asserting that their product is organic. [We've had THAT discussion on this newsgroup so I won't waste any space on it.] Personally, I wouldn't deal with them, and am not having too much trouble competing with them. Minimally, I'd ask to see their packaging before I'd let them sell my honey as their own. Dave Trickett P.S. These are my own comments and do not in anyway represent the opinion or position of the University of Pennsylvania on this or any other matters. From rspear@primenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard Spear" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New hive and some questions Date: 23 Jun 1996 11:58:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bb6134.a63c8b80$2e3bd4cc@primenet.primenet.com> X-Posted-By: ip046.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Hi - It's a beautiful day here in southern California and I've just finished checking my only hive that was started from a mail-order package three weeks ago. Everything looked good - there were larva and new bees exiting cells. I have a few questions tho' - There was alot of burr comb that I cleaned up. Most had honey but there was also a few cells with larvae in them. I never saw the queen (although I looked pretty hard) and after putting everything back together I began to wonder whether I could accidentally harm her and how likely that might be. I saw two very large clumps of bees and thought that perhaps that was where she might be. Has anyone damaged a queen while servicing a hive? How do you know if you have? How long should I wait before re-entering the hive? Also, I had put two Apistan strips in the hive three weeks ago, but these strips were from an opened package that had sat around for one year. I replaced those two strips today with new strips (expensive! $22 here in CA). Was that the right thing to do? ------------------ Richard rspear@primenet.com www.primenet.com/~rspear From edw1@azstarnet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr12ip26.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFRICAN QUEEN, the True Story Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:11:26 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <473u0b$gre@news.iadfw.net> <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> <9606171733012148@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr12ip26.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <9606171733012148@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: AFRICAN QUEEN, the True Story >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:03:00 GMT >*FYI* Found on the Internet, author unknown. >Wymyn's Apian Rights, NOW! > The ferocious despoliation of aboriginal rights imposes its Eurocentric > atrocities without abatement! Invading apiarists across South America, WHAT A GREAT DOCUMENT - WILL DISTRIBUTE TO EVERYONE I KNOW WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR !!!!!!!!! John From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good News!! Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606231910172172@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 16 Good News! I have just received a note that the beekeeper and farmers efforts were fruitful in keeping the Tucson, Arizona Bee Lab open for the next year at least. Details are not know but you can be sure the next issue of the beekeeping journals should have some announcements. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ (oo) (o-) (@@) (xx) (--) ( ) (OO) //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ drone drone drone/w dead drone blind drone after winking hangover drone sleeping drone seeing a virgin queen old.drone@beenet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ If you see a bright streak in the sky coming at you, duck From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey pollution Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:40:38 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <177B0881BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <31CAD001.95F@igecuniv.cisi.unige.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <31CAD001.95F@igecuniv.cisi.unige.it> Stefano Kanitz writes: > >Is anyone interested in environmental pollution effects on honey composition? I would >like to know if there is some known study on thi subject. Thank you, yours sincerely, >Stefano Kanitz Point your favorite web browser at Jerry Bromenshenk's web page which is precisely what you're looking for. http://grizzly.umt.edu/biology/bees/ Sincerely, Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From jrickert@chatlink.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.chatlink.com!news From: jrickert@chatlink.com (John Rickert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment... Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:02:59 GMT Organization: Chatlink News Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qm9ga$83k@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cl3-p4.chatlink.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi, I,m looking for a provider of all types of bee keeping equipment in the Oregon area. Also looking for a place to purchase queens. Thanks for any help you can give. From jrickert@chatlink.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.chatlink.com!news From: jrickert@chatlink.com (John Rickert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted to buy... Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:07:29 GMT Organization: Chatlink News Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4qm9oo$83k@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cl3-p4.chatlink.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello, I am looking for anyone getting out of the bee business that has equipment to sell at a reasonable price. Preferrably in the Oregon or Northern California area. You can email at jrickert@chatlink.com. Thanks. From Han_Tuan@msn.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Job Opening Date: 24 Jun 1996 22:42:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4qn5kk$oj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: Han_Tuan@msn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: Han-Hsien Tuan Subject: Position for beekeeper manager in Florida If anyone is interested in managing a large beekeeping operation (over 1500 beehives) in Florida, please respond. Thank you very much. -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From josephj@surf-ici.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.uoregon.edu!pagesat.net!news.paonline.com!IP83 From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good News!! Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 22:32:38 GMT Organization: Nonewhatsoever, ask my wife Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4qn4m1$ik9@news.paonline.com> References: <9606231910172172@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.83 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ > (oo) (o-) (@@) (xx) (--) ( ) (OO) >//||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ //||\\ > drone drone drone/w dead drone blind drone after > winking hangover drone sleeping drone seeing a > virgin queen >old.drone@beenet.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > You know...I'm really starting to worry about you. :) > þ QMPro 1.53 þ If you see a bright streak in the sky coming at you, duck How Ironic that the world's largest Disco Ball is owned by Pink Floyd. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Honey Date: 24 Jun 1996 22:54:23 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4qn6av$17f@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <9606221713082169@beenet.com> <4qihcp$3do@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf > Anyone who has dealt with this company, please comment, positively or >negatively. I heard of one beekeeper who had a dickens of a time getting >paid. > Great. I had a run in with these guys once: challenged them to define "organic" honey to me. Since in Virginia, an "organic" product needs to be >from a certified producer. They failed to provide me with their organic certification, and then proceeded to tell me that their honey "was organic". Local Virginia producers cannot call their honey as "organic" so why should Really Raw? your mileage may vary. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!emngw1.eastman.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Whooping Crane Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606241711112173@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 70 The Whooping Crane, North America's Symbol of Conservation by Jerome J. Pratt $12.95 US $17.75 CAN plus $2.50 postage US. Yes, this has nothing to do with honeybees, but it does have a whole lot to do with a small pay back to a conservationist that at two different times many years apart mustered other conservationists to protect beekeepers and the majestic mesquite tree from eradication and without hesitation joined the lonely beekeeper and helped protect us all from the overwhelming will of cattle ranchers, university professors, state and federal bureaucrats to STOP the indiscriminate eradication of the mesquite and other desert wildflowers by mechanical and chemical's means in a large area of south western Arizona. I say lonely as you are never as alone then when you as a beekeeper challenge the will of the majority, it's educational, and regulatory systems, and only armed with your own knowledge that what they have done or would do is wrong because it will damage the environment that you live in and your bees depend on for a living. You feel as one who has some perverse honor to speak naked at your own funeral wake and knowing the fate that awaits you can only say what is truly in your heart with no real expectations of wining back such a black day. And along come's a man like Jerome Pratt and recognizes that special spark of truth in your words and honesty in your cause and joins with his fellow conservationists to hold back the mighty powers that would sacrifice all for the narrow views of the majority who are not always's in the right despite what we are all taught at early ages in our schools. Mr. Pratt is now an old man, a title of reverence and respect I hold for a few that are older then me. He has written a book about his own and the total efforts of a few to bring the American Whooping Crane back >from a total population of 15 in 1941 to 300 it is today in 1996. This is an effort that extends from north of the Peace River in the Canadian Wood Buffalo National Park, the whooper's nesting grounds to the wintering grounds in the Aransas National Wildlife Refuge. The book is soft covered with pictures and 171 pages. It has nothing to do with keeping bees but chronicles an amazing effort at conservation that all beekeeper's could benefit by knowing how a few can do what the many in the know said was impossible and the one man who has been a leader in this effort for more years then I have had life if you can imagine someone who in 1938 the year I was born was already recognized as the most outstanding breeder of quail in America and had a federal scientific permit for the collection and experimental breeding of migratory birds issued in 1937. I am myself a LIFE Member of the Wooping Crane Conservation Association but not an active member as I have only followed the good works of others. I offer you this chance to purchase this book that I very much doubt you will ever find in the chain book stores and because I have made arrangements with my own local book seller who will send to you postpaid in the US and Canada this book on receiving of your check, cash, or whatever you have to trade worth the $12.95 US cost of the book. If you want to use your Master or Visa you can e-mail me the numbers and you will see Phoenix Books on your next bill in the amount of $12.95. plus $2.50 postage ($15.45 total). We can not make off shore shipments without recovering to cost of the postage, but Canadian's can remit $12.95 US plus $2.50 postage or $17.75+ CAN and we will ship the book. ttul Andy- Address via US Mail for this book is: Phoenix Books voice number is 209-826-3797 936 6th Street Los Banos, Ca 93635 On-Line BBS Orders Master/Visa only: 209-826-8107 28.8 bd --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, From mbpaveh@vuse.vanderbilt.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.vanderbilt.edu!news From: mbpaveh@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Mathias) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee cryogenics? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:19:48 GMT Organization: VU School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4qni5m$sdg@news.vanderbilt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ijh217.vuse.vanderbilt.edu X-Newsreader: Beame & Whiteside's BWNewsW Version 3.2 >Can early brood be frozen (i.e. by liquid N2) to be revitalized at a >later time? >-mike > I think you can, however, you need to supply the bee with the nutrients it needs in order to survive with off-hand. And, if the bee comes in contact with the liquid, it would become brittle and it"s chitinous casing would crack and kill the bee. - Buzz-off From Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca Sun Jul 7 14:42:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!line166.nwm.mindlink.net!Thomas_Storey From: Thomas_Storey@mindlink.bc.ca (Thomas Storey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak Hive Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:53:45 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line166.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4q4s0h$5qi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) writes: >From: softanswer@aol.com (SoftAnswer) >Subject: Weak Hive >Date: 17 Jun 1996 20:07:45 -0400 >I am new to beekeeping. I now have two hives: the first was started about >2 months ago with part of a hive gathered from an old house that was >discovered when siding torn off. Turns out there was a queen and the hive >is developing albeit slowly. Three weeks ago I started a new hive with a >three pound package and it is thriving and almost ready for the 2nd super. > These bees are robbing the feeder from the original hive, emptying it >twice as fast as their own feeder. The two hives are side by side four >feet apart. My question is: would it be okay to destroy the queen from >the original hive and move it to become the 2nd super for the new hive? >Or would I be better off getting a new super and perhaps moving the weak >hive away? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. >Wayne Brown Wayne One strong hive will get you more honey than will two weak ones. I would destroy the queen and unite the two by placing newspaper between the two; weak hive on top. One small, one-inch slit in the npaper will start the uniting without causing too much fighting. However, be sure to get a second hive asap, if for no other reason (and there are quite a few) to compare each hive's progress. Good luck, Tom From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BAD SUGAR SYRUP Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606250641412175@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 63 Bad hfc Sugar syrup Damages Bee's in Canada Details are still being sought on another chapter of beekeeper's on the losing end of a good deal. This one involves thousands of beehives if not ten's of thousands in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, Canada, fed HFC sugar syrup by beekeepers who purchased what they though was a "little" off spec HFC sugar syrup, (that they were told was safe to feed their bees). The sugar syrup was supposed to be higher in solids which one could expect to do no more then cause it to re-crystallize fast, and higher in HMF which is normal in sugar that has been reheated one or more times and normally would result in some off color to the syrup, but not always depending on filtration, and at normal sightly elevated levels HMF would not be expected to harm bees. The bees that were fed the sugar got sick, and many more hives are thought to have died last winter then normal, even for the hard year it turned out to be for wintering bees. Many of the bees were reported to be defecating a clear sticky feces soon after feeding and some question if the bees could digest this damaged sugar at all. Testing is still being done but it has been reported that the HMF was elevated much grater then a little and other unidentified solids normally not found in HFC syrups have been found. Some speculation would be that this was a run of HFC that failed to invert at the corn factory maybe due to a overheated run and was not HFC syrup but something between corn syrup and HFC and could have been re-run, but its anyone's guess until the unidentified can be identified. In any case it was bad. Lab tests with caged bees have determined that the sugar was indeed much more toxic to bees then regular sucrose or HFC syrups. Beekeepers involved are working with the Manitoba Honey Co-operative who brokered the sugar from the US via Mann Lake Supply in Minn. and the insurance carriers involved. It is thought that many beekeeper's in the US were also sold this sub standard sugar but because of the presence of mites and the severe winter may have attributed the higher losses to the mites or the bad winter. Beekeepers who purchased HFC sugar syrup from any US broker last fall and think they had a problem are advised to seek out the Canadian beekeepers involved to compare information. ttul Andy- BTW It is considered good management by people who buy and use large amounts of sugars to draw a sample from all incoming lots and is not considered by the sugar industry to be anything but SOP. All sugar refined in the US is sold with guarantee specs and all sugar companies are more then happy to supply and guarantee these spec's for any sugar sold. Bad or damaged sugar is not normally sold and is re-run or turned into by products, but it is obvious that someone did not follow the normal policy of the sugar industry. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All beekepers are looking for bargains and pay for them! From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:42:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk (Bill Henderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New hive and some questions Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:56:58 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4qou5c$gdt@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <01bb6134.a63c8b80$2e3bd4cc@primenet.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk Richard > It's a beautiful day here in southern California It's a lovely day here as well, perhaps just a wee bit too hot for me, with temperatures around 20 C (about 70 F). I'm melting. It must be great to have air conditioning. Here we open the window and the heat pours in. Give it 9 days before you go back inside your hive. If there are eggs through to capped brood then you're okay. Don't expect to see the queen very often, she's only one bee in thousands. > Most (cells) had honey but there > was also a few cells with larvae in them. You want lots of cells with larvae. You could put on an empty super to give the queen room to lay. There is always a danger of squashing a queen, just be careful and watch where you put things. A wee puff of smoke will usually shift bees away before you put two surfaces together. The greatest danger of losing a queen is probably when you lay a comb outsid the hive for some reason. To avoid this give the frame a dunt to shake most of the bees off into the brood chamber and always lay the it vertically at the door of the hive. This way you will not crush her and if she does fall off she can easily get back in through the door. As for as medicine is concerned I don't know - probably country specific. Hope this helps. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk packet GM0VIT@GB7YEW.#79.GBR.EU From bermshot@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mike Carbiener Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help me please Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:59:36 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sjx-ca26-08.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 25 9:56:35 AM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I received a 4-5 lb swarm about a week ago which I promptly put in a hive. I noticed when I put them in that they split into two groups, each clustering towards opposite sides of the super. When I went back a week later, about half the bees had left and moved into the side of someones house. When I opened the brood chamber, I couldnt find the queen nor did I see any eggs or larva. There was plenty of pollen and nectar though and the start of a couple of queen cells. My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Why did the queen abandon my hive? Why did half of the bees stay? Why are they building queen cells if there are no eggs, do I have laying workers? Should I order a new queen or wait a week and reinspect? And finally, how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without killing them or tearing apart their wall. I'm a starving student so hiring a bee remover is going to kill me. I have access to another healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood and place it in my hive? and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't fight? Thanks for your help -- Mike Carbiener http://www.netcom.com/~bermshot/ From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:42:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:09:45 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4q1ajf$od5@colombia.earthlink.net> <177AA8379S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <4q9c34$nva@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4q9c34$nva@netnews.upenn.edu>, David J Trickett > >Incidentally, I've also found that you can improve the chances of a hived >swarm remaining hived by adding a frame of brood (even a little will do) and >also feeding them initially. > > Adding brood sure is useful, the bees are reluctant to abandon it, but careful about feeding a swarm unless its yours. Disease can be carried in the honey the swarm brings with it. Rather than feed hive them on foundation only, and force them to use the (suspect) honey by making wax. If you feed, or give them drawn comb, they have the opportunity to regurgitate the honey they have brought and contaminate the new home. These days I've resorted to the strategic use of a QX a well ! -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:11:50 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 39 Message-ID: <31D01DD6.7787@umich.edu> References: <4qegad$q3u@news.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Tom Doak wrote: > > This is my first hive, so this must be a beginner's question: > My hive is doing well, this last week they had almost filled their second > hive body, and the local bee store told me to put a third body on for > them to fill. When that was full I was told I could put a queen excluder > and honey super on. That seems a little extreme from my reading, but who > am I to argue. > My question has to do with how intensely I should go in and "clean" up > the hive. How much management is right? It has evolved from a neat tidy > hive to sort of a jungle of bur comb, drone cells and general stuff. I > was cleaning this up for a while, but seem to have lost control. It's > hard to get frames out, and I worry more and more about crushing my queen > in the process. And my resent reading has been emphasizing leaving the > hive alone to regulate itself as it sees fit. So where is the balance? > Do I don full gear (maybe I do need that bee suit, they aren't as passive > as they were earlier either), go in and clean it all up, or just leave it > closed up for good? > When you say they "filled" the second hive body, do mean with brood, with honey or with both? In any case, I wouldn't put on a third hive body as a brood chamber to a newly established hive - I'd add supers after the first two brood chambers. It is purely a matter of personal preference as to whether to use a queen excluder or not. I always do because I absolutely hate to find brood, however small a patch, in my honey supers. Some people can seem to tolerate this better than I, so use or don't use an excluder, as you wish. As to cleaning up inside the hive - I'd leave that up to the bees. If they make burr comb, so what. That is the nature of bees. The only thing to watch for, though, is to remove the burr comb from the edges of the first frame you remove, so the underlying comb with its bees (and perhaps the queen) doesn't rub against it. Succeeding frames can then first be moved toward the space emptied by the first frame before lifting them out. Although it's fun and fascinating to watch the progress of a bee colony, remember that every time you open them up you disturb them, and could endanger the queen. Do it as little as necessary, especially if the hive looks stong and healthy from the outside. If you see it dwindle, then a peek inside is justified. Ted Fischer From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:42:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Whooping Crane Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:35:59 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31D0237F.60F3@umich.edu> References: <9606241711112173@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > Yes, this has nothing to do with honeybees, but it does have > a whole lot to do with a small pay back to a conservationist that > at two different times many years apart mustered other conservationists > to protect beekeepers and the majestic mesquite tree from eradication > and without hesitation joined the lonely beekeeper and helped > protect us all from the overwhelming will of cattle ranchers, university > professors, state and federal bureaucrats to STOP the indiscriminate > eradication of the mesquite and other desert wildflowers by mechanical > and chemical's means in a large area of south western Arizona. > This is probably news to some, but there are university professors, cattle ranchers, yes, even state and federal bureaucrats who are also beekeepers and conservationists, and who love the wilderness and its trees, wildflowers, birds and other wildlife as much as anyone else. Ted Fischer From ibis@ot.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!oasis.ot.com!Default From: ibis@ot.com (Jenny) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: magazines Date: 25 Jun 1996 19:18:04 GMT Organization: Oasis' news server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4qpe1c$5uq@oasis.ot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a13.ppp.ot.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 My husband is new to beekeeping and we are looking for a magazine. Could someone provide the address of American Beekeeping Magazine or recommend another good magazine on beekeeing? thanks -Jenny From jetbell@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jetbell@aol.com (Jetbell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DISTRIBUTORS WANTED "HYDRAULIC HOSE REPAIR KIT" Date: 25 Jun 1996 21:28:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. 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Our web page is fax: 312.229.0085 From Suzie_Gilbert@highlands.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.new-york.net!highlands.com!user From: Suzie_Gilbert@highlands.com (Suzie Gilbert) Subject: Re: Wild Bees X-Newsreader: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 X-Nntp-Posting-User: (Unauthenticated) Organization: The Highlands Chain Message-ID: <2489383.ensmtp@highlands.com> X-Trace: 835766964/24671 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 165.254.169.11 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:57:59 GMT Lines: 17 Re: are wild bees dying off? There's a good article by Anne Raver in the NY Times Sunday June 16, 1996 about the decimation of bee populations (p. 34) Also, the American Lyme Disease Foundation is telling people to use Sevin, a carbamate pesticide (cholinesterase inhibitor), against deer ticks. Sevin is a honeybee killer. If you're an activist you might want to call them (914-277-6970) and tell them to lay off. Anything to irritate pesticide hawkers! Good luck with your research. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From hcandle@netidea.com Sun Jul 7 14:42:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!usenet From: "The Honey Candle Co. Ltd." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: URGENTÑWax Wanted Date: 26 Jun 1996 07:40:14 GMT Organization: The Net Idea Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4qqpgu$nn4@scipio.cyberstore.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login034.nelson.netidea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping We own and run a successful natural beeswax candle company, still very small and expanding daily. We need quantities of beeswax and would like to set up regular accounts. Presently we are using approximately 40-50,000 pounds a year and this will maybe double next year. If you have any information concerning large or small quantities of wax, please call us collect at (604) 353-2884. We are located in the Kootenays, British Columbia, Canada. Por favor si usted tiene cera de avecas llama me collectivo en Canada (604) 353-2884. Desculpa me yo no hablo bien en Espanol pero hablo bestante para conversation. Gracias. Contact (Contactivo): David Wood The Honey Candle Company Ltd. P.O. Box 1148 Kaslo, B.C. V0G 1M0 From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jul 7 14:42:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!van.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:11:14 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4qr2cp$fov@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4qegad$q3u@news.cc.utah.edu> <31D01DD6.7787@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >> the local bee store told me to put a third body on for >> them to fill. When that was full I was told I could put a queen excluder >> and honey super on. Unless you are using medium depth (6-5/8") boxes for brood chambers, three brood chambers under an excluder will not work well. One brood and an excluder will work. Two broods and an excluder will work. But three will not because the bees will be able to store sufficient honey above the brood that they may not be inclined to go thru the excluder under some conditions. Instead they will cut back, and perhaps swarm. That is not to say they never will go up, but rather that you will likely have trouble more often than not. For an excluder to work well, it should be close to the brood. In fact, it is wise to reverse the two broods at the time of adding an excluder if in doubt. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From susan@farrwood.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!shore!news From: susan@farrwood.com (Susan Russell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: One hive swarming three times in a week...Help Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:29:54 GMT Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31d18040.89902458@sparky> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-15-23.slip.shore.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 I am new at beekeeping. I have a year old hive of Italian honey bees. The hive has swarmed three times in the last week. I managed to capture the second issue. Could someone please enlighten me as to the frequency of this kind of event happening again? I thought that I took adequate swarm measures. Destroying queen cells, adding supers, reversing brood nest in early spring. What else should I have done?? From tom.doak@genetics.utah.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!5c453mac1.genetics.utah.edu!tom.doak From: Tom Doak Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: 26 Jun 1996 17:25:39 GMT Organization: UofUtah Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4qrrqj$fjp@news.cc.utah.edu> References: <4qegad$q3u@news.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5c453mac1.genetics.utah.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.4_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:25:39 GMT >When you say they "filled" the second hive body, do mean with brood, with honey or >with both? In any case, I wouldn't put on a third hive body as a brood chamber to a >newly established hive - I'd add supers after the first two brood chambers. It >is purely a >matter of personal preference as to whether to use a queen excluder or not. I always do >because I absolutely hate to find brood, however small a patch, in my honey supers. >Some people can seem to tolerate this better than I, so use or don't use an excluder, Well, the first two are both brood and honey, though the second is more honey than brood, and ended up having quite a lot of drone brood. And I've now followed the local advice and added a third brood chamber, for better or worse. They spent a little time finishing off the second, and are now just starting to build comb in the third. I think part of the logic behind the advice I was given was that I was a beginner and might not be inclined to leave them enough to overwinter. By having me give them a third body to fill, before I could put a honey super on, I was forced to make sure they had lots of stores. Maybe. I'm not worried, just interested. (Don't worry, suck comb.) Tom Doak /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\x\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ SaltLakeCity, UT 84132 tdoak@genetics.utah.edu From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!ftel.co.uk!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee graphics Date: 26 Jun 1996 21:24:02 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4qs9pi$i05@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial2.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 Does anyone out there have an outline drawing or a cartoon picture of a bee? If so, would you share it with me please, I want one for some art work. Thanks in advance John Fox ****************************************************************** Alta BioScience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK From ascalon@earthlink.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Chris Friedl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A problem I have with my first hive Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:00:54 -0400 Organization: Tesseract Lines: 27 Message-ID: <31D11866.3F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: ascalon@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool001.max8.cleveland.oh.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (WinNT; I) I was hoping that someone here could help me solve my problem: I recently purchased a 3# package of bees. When they arrived I was not home. However, a friend who was also just beginning bees put them in the hive for me. When he did he only placed 5 of the 10 frames in the hive body and placed the opened queen cage between some of the frames. I was to return and place the remaining frames when I returned home. When I arrived home and proceeded to put the remaining frames into the hive body, I found that the bees had decided not to use the frames with the foundation. Instead they were more interested in placing the comb in the empty part of the hive body. This would not be that much of a problem if it wern't for the fact that they decided to attach the comb to the lid and to the hive floor, not to the sides. My problem is that now that the entire comb is attached to the top, I can't lift it off to manipulate the bees. In addition, I don't know how to transfer them to another hive. Can you give me a little advice? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Chris Friedl ascalon@earthlink.net P.S. Are there any Bee related news groups, and if so what are they? CF From sgamble@pinc.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!news From: Steve Gamble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to remove bees from Backyard, please! Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:46:54 -0700 Organization: Milennium PC Networkers Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31D1D9FE.2B03@pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinc142.pinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) I seem ot have a new honey bee hive in an old oak tree in my back yard, and it is far too close to the patio. Is there a way to encourage them to relocate? I don't want to have to hurt them if I don't have to, but they will have to go, one way or the other. Funny thing is, there was a starling nest in that hole last year. Please Email to sgamble@pinc.com I appreciate any help you can give; I love animals and don't want to hurt these ones. Steve Gamble Victoria, BC, Canada From avogel@izebug.syr.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: avogel@izebug.syr.edu (Andrew L. Vogel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: removing bees questions Date: 27 Jun 1996 12:10:04 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4qttms$q78@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: izebug.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) Hi all, We have bees living in our house again. (In the same spot as other hives which have twice died out over winters) We have called local beekeepers none of whom are willing to remove the bees without taking off the siding etc. ( in short none of the beekeepers are enthusiastic) The plan: Their current entry hole is small (I have tried to fix that part of the house so that there is no entry hole but they keep finding one) and I propose to first put a mesh cone over this hole, narrow end away from the house, to make it difficult for the bees to enter the hole (like a minnow trap). Over this, I intend to put a box with a hole to enter the box. The idea being to "convince" the bees to move to the box. Question 1: Will it work? If not how should I remove them? Please point me to a faq (I don't see one listed now). Question 2: Will they move to the box? How long will it take? Any suggestions. Thanks, Andy From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: crude protein assays Date: 27 Jun 1996 12:45:45 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qtvpp$b39@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have read papers in which the crude body protein (% wt) of the honey bee has been studied. I would like to conduct similar experiments. Does anybody have a good idea about what type of protein assays could be used? Thanks, Mike From pandp@mail.island.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.island.net!Peter From: pandp@mail.island.net (PB Services) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: location for new hives /gloves Date: 27 Jun 1996 17:35:31 GMT Organization: Island Internet Customer Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4qugp3$neg@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn22.island.net Keywords: Hives location /gloves To: Newsgroup X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 I amthinking of starting beekeeping. I ned advice as to location of hives I face south. One site is in a glen and gets the sun from 7.30 am to 5.pm. It is near water and 25 yards, through trees, from a quiet country road, and 10 foot above the level with the road The other is 10 yards south of our sun deck,and 6 foot below it; 50 foot above the road and gets the sun from 9.0 am to 6 pm. It is 50 yards from the pool Is one site better than the other? Are there any other factors which I should take into account? The only bee-gloves I have seen are like motor-cycle gauntlets and do not have a delicate touch. Are there any problems with using washing-up gloves ,or with latex surgical type gloves? Thanks for your help Peter Bibby From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: location for new hives /gloves Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:20:13 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 35 Message-ID: <31D2DEED.1EA@umich.edu> References: <4qugp3$neg@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) PB Services wrote: > > I amthinking of starting beekeeping. > > I ned advice as to location of hives > > I face south. > > One site is in a glen and gets the sun from 7.30 am to 5.pm. It is near water > and 25 yards, through trees, from a quiet country road, and 10 foot above the > level with the road > > The other is 10 yards south of our sun deck,and 6 foot below it; 50 foot above > the road and gets the sun from 9.0 am to 6 pm. It is 50 yards from the pool > > Is one site better than the other? > > Are there any other factors which I should take into account? > > The only bee-gloves I have seen are like motor-cycle gauntlets and do not have > a delicate touch. Are there any problems with using washing-up gloves ,or > with latex surgical type gloves? > Unless you really want to have the company of a lot of bees on your sun deck and in your pool, you should go with the first site. Bees need water, and they will get it from the nearest source, pool or natural stream. Also, bees are atrracted to anything sweet, and may make a nuisance of themselves if you're going to be eating sweet foods on your deck and mistakenly leave them lying there for awhile. The gauntlet style gloves are the kind to get. However, for most of the time, you won't need gloves to work your bees. They will usually move out of the way of your fingers if you move gently and slowly while working them. Quick motions and dropping of frames, etc, however, will result in alarmed bees and perhaps a sting or two. Ted Fischer From tvf@umich.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing bees questions Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:32:43 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 34 Message-ID: <31D2E1DB.274B@umich.edu> References: <4qttms$q78@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Andrew L. Vogel wrote: > > Hi all, > We have bees living in our house again. (In the same spot as > other hives which have twice died out over winters) We have called > local beekeepers none of whom are willing to remove the bees without > taking off the siding etc. ( in short none of the beekeepers are > enthusiastic) > The plan: Their current entry hole is small (I have tried > to fix that part of the house so that there is no entry hole but > they keep finding one) and I propose to first put a mesh cone over > this hole, narrow end away from the house, to make it difficult for > the bees to enter the hole (like a minnow trap). Over this, I intend to > put a box with a hole to enter the box. The idea being to "convince" the > bees to move to the box. > Question 1: Will it work? If not how should I remove them? Please > point me to a faq (I don't see one listed now). > > Question 2: Will they move to the box? How long will it take? > > Any suggestions. Thanks, Andy Your idea is basically good, but you will need a few frames of honeycomb, one of which should have a laying queen. If you are not a beekeeper, you ought to get them from one. I am right now doing this very thing for a friend, and have persuaded *lots* of bees to leave the house and take up residence in the box. I puttied a plastic funnel over the hive entrance, attached a 6" length of tygon tubing to the end of the funnel, and put a small plastic cone (with an opening large enough to admit only one bee at a time) over the end of it. The bait hive box was set up right next to this modified opening of the hive in the wall. The original queen and a few of her loyal followers will never leave the wall, but in about a week, enough bees should be out that you can kill off the remaining few with an aerosol can of insect killer. Then fill all holes in the wall, and you should be OK. Ted Fischer From jwarsaw@netside.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: "John K. Warsaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to remove bees from Backyard, please! Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:51:14 -0400 Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31D2F442.10ED@netside.com> References: <31D1D9FE.2B03@pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx114.netside.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) Getting rid of the bees, by whatever method, may not accomplish your purpose, because if the wax hive and honey remain other bees may take up residence. You must remove all remnants of the hive. This is easy enough, once you have gotten rid of the bees, which brings us back to the first problem. Have you tried finding a local beekeeper who collects swarms? I have occasionally gone after a swarm, at no charge, in exchange for the bees. This would be your best bet, because it would remove most of the workers and the queen, which is essential. There are bee repellents on the market, such as "Bee Go", which are used for chasing bees off frames prior to extracting honey. You might try squirting this into the hive. This will only relocate the bees, and their new home may not be any more convenient to humans than the old one was. Your best bet is finding someone who wants the bees. Here in the USA there are places to ask around, but I don't know about BC. Do you have a federal or provincial agriculture office? A college or university with an agriculture program? How about stores that sell bee supplies? They may refer you to some of their customers. There is value in a hive like yours, if you can find someone who wants it. Bees. We can't live with them, but we can't live without them. I think there's a joke in there somewhere! From rcpmd@roanoke.infi.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: rcpmd@roanoke.infi.net (Robert Patten) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 02:58:20 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qvhlr$9lr@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa2dsp20.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Is it possible to raise healthy bees nowadays? My former hives were wiped out by the disease that plagued the bee industry several years ago and we have had no bees since. I'd love to get some more bees maily for pollination but also for a little honey for home use. Can the tracheal mite be controlled and how can I get some bees that are healthy? Thanks for any help. From rwine@gate.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news From: "Nathan Stamey Winesett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me please Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:41:34 -0400 Organization: Eli Winesett & Sons, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bb64a5.80afb1c0$9808e3c7@rwine.gate.net> References: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-25.gate.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Mike: Queens that are just mated can still fly. I've experienced this when trying to grab them out of my mating boxes and they fly off, but they always return to the mating box. If it was a swarm you received, then the queen is able to fly. Where the queen flies, the elder bees will follow. Young bees will generally stay where you put them if there is larvae present. While bees are in a swarm, scout bees search for a permanent home. Inside a hollow wall is an ideal place for bees, similar to a hollow tree. Maybe that's what happened. Despite what happened(which is hard to determine), if you don't have good eggs and larvae but plenty of bees, put a few frames of eggs, young larvae, and emerging brood in there from you're other hive so they can raise a cell. Queen cells developed from a laying worker egg won't work. Nathan From moroney@world.std.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: removing bees questions Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <4qttms$q78@newstand.syr.edu> <31D2E1DB.274B@umich.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 03:22:39 GMT Lines: 23 In article <31D2E1DB.274B@umich.edu>, "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: > Your idea is basically good, but you will need a few frames of honeycomb, one of which > should have a laying queen. If you are not a beekeeper, you ought to get them from one. > I am right now doing this very thing for a friend, and have persuaded *lots* of bees to > leave the house and take up residence in the box. I puttied a plastic funnel over the hive > entrance, attached a 6" length of tygon tubing to the end of the funnel, and put a small > plastic cone (with an opening large enough to admit only one bee at a time) over the end > of it. The bait hive box was set up right next to this modified opening of the hive in the > wall. The original queen and a few of her loyal followers will never leave the wall, but in > about a week, enough bees should be out that you can kill off the remaining few with an > aerosol can of insect killer. Then fill all holes in the wall, and you should be OK. This is very close to the suggested way to get bees out of a house cleanly, but not quite. Young bees won't leave the nest until they get older and start leaving to forage. For this reason the hive with the queen and the funnel should be left in place for 4-6 weeks. Then remove the funnel. The bees in the hive will rob the old nest in the wall. This is important because otherwise you'll have honey in the wall that will draw bugs and rodents, and leak onto ceilings and walls and generally making a mess. Once the nest is robbed out remove the hive and plug all holes. -Mike From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Mite solution" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606272315192186@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 29 *FYI* from the BEE-List group. ---------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Clark of AGF 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:17:52 -0700 Subject: Re: "Mite solution" This is taken from a March 26, 1996 news release from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Seattle office (206) 553 4768. "Penalties of $ 5,400 are being sought from a Washington state firm that invited beekeepers from around the country to buy a pesticide that had not been registered with the EPA, as required by federal law." ... "a Dec 1995 sale and January advertisement (of the product) occurred despite an EPA warning last May to cease selling Mite Solution, and to submit the product to EPA for registration". So, consider it an illegal, unregistered product of unknown safety, which has had no testing to indicate its effect on mites or bees. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me please Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:22:41 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7iW82DAhR60xEwZe@tfbplc.co.uk> References: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com>, Mike Carbiener writes > >My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Very unlikely > Why did the >queen abandon my hive? Bees that are swarming already have a pretty good idea where they are going, they don't just leave on the off chance. They just continued on their way. If you want to be sure of keeping them next time use a QX for couple of days to keep the queen in. Even if they leave then they'll have to go back ! There are other dodges too, especially when you keep bees in a city like I do. Your neighbours definately don't want them leaving ! > Why did half of the bees stay? I don't know. Maybe they weren't paying attention and got lost ! :-) > Why are they >building queen cells if there are no eggs, Bees do funny things. :-) > do I have laying workers? Obviously not, yet. You haven't got ANY eggs right. A clue about laying workers though; because they have a shorter abdomens their eggs are often on the cell walls, not the bottom and you get one or two per cell. >Should I order a new queen Don't waste your money. You don't know what the bees are like and can grow one of your own. Maybe after then you might. > or wait a week and reinspect? Good plan. Feed them sugar syrup, a queen if there is one will only come ito lay if there's income. Put in a frame of eggs and very young (open, @ 2/3 days) larvae. If they haven't got a queen they will know and start queen cells quickly, select one or two and , hey presto in about 4 weeks you should have a new queen in lay. If they don't start cells they have a queen even if you can't find her. > And finally, >how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without >killing them or tearing apart their wall. There are routine ways of doing this with a porter bee escape and/or a bait hive. I see this dicussed in another thread in the Newsgroup, check out Michael Moronay's posting. > I have access to another >healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood ( you mean larvae don't you ?) > and place it in my >hive? Yup. See above > and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't >fight? Hold the frame lug tightly in one hand, then hit that hand with your other one. Do it over the box. This jars the bees off the frame into the box. Once you have the knack you'll do it in one go, and don't worry about the odd bee. Now stick the frame into the other hive. >Thanks for your help Hope its useful. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!news From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: location for new hives /gloves Date: 28 Jun 1996 10:11:42 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4r0b4u$psc@grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4qugp3$neg@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin021.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, The answer is to get the right bees. They have to be calm and peacefull. Such bees accept a lot of threatment without getting aggressive. Get calm bees and you don´t need gloves in the most situations. I use only gloves if there are hard work to do in a hive, and then there is no need of fine touch sense. If you have got only a small number of hives and enough time to take care for them work with bare hands will teach you to work with concentration and feeling, a good attitude in beekeeping. A solution of vinegar and little water will work as a repellent. Wash your hands with it befor you start working on your hives. Surgical gloves and the most washing gloves are to thin to give sting-protection. Lether or strong rubber is needed to ensure this. Best regards ulli höger From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: One hive swarming three times in a week...Help Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:31:47 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 68 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31d18040.89902458@sparky> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> In article <31d18040.89902458@sparky>, Susan Russell writes >I am new at beekeeping. I have a year old hive of Italian honey bees. >The hive has swarmed three times in the last week. I managed to >capture the second issue. Could someone please enlighten me as to >the frequency of this kind of event happening again? I thought that I >took adequate swarm measures. Destroying queen cells, adding supers, >reversing brood nest in early spring. What else should I have done?? > > Mmmmm, The old 'how to stop em swarming' query again. There are complete books dedicated to this one but here are a few pointers that may help. AA. Stating the obvious..Bees need to swarm to multiply, once there are queen cells with eggs laid there is litle point cutting them out as you are unlikely to change thier mind. The trick is to prevent them getting that far. BB. Bees swarm for several reasons 1a. Short of brood space. 1b. Short of honey storage space. 2. Crowded hive. 3a. Too hot. 3b. Poor ventilation. 4. Poor bee characteristics (swarmers) 5. To annoy the beekeeper. Personally I reckon cause '5' is the most believable. CC. The first swarm (prime swarm) left with your original mated queen, if you looked into the hive after that occurance you would see multiple Queen cells some capped others not. Select two or three of the best examples and re arrange the brood chamber to leave these cells close to each other. When the first virgin Queen emerges she should kill the other potential queens by stinging through the side of their cells. (not fully guaranteed as they litle sods don't read bee books) A few days later she will mate and then you will be OK til next year. DD. Without doing the above, newly emerged virgin queens can lead more swarms (called Casts) from the hive until the hive is severly weakened. This is what has happened to yourself. I presume by the time you read this it will be a bit late, however, have a look inside and carry out the above if there are still sealed Q cells. EE. Anyway , don't despair we all loose swarms just think about the causes early in the season. Give them plenty of space and don't breed >from bees that swarm for no good reason. Your present hive should survive but don't expect much honey this year. Cheers Graham Further reading.. 'SWARMING' L.E.Snelgrove ISBN 0905 652 290 Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Winning the rat race still makes you a rat. From afn36201@afn.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn36201 From: afn36201@afn.org (Christopher D. Kent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices? Date: 28 Jun 1996 16:22:08 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4r10rg$q73@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.afn.org NNTP-Posting-User: afn36201 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi all. I'm using my friends account here, so excuse the name discrepancy please. I have 75 hives in North Central Florida, and currently sell my honey at the following rates: 1 gal. - $14(US) 1/2 gal. - $9 1 qt. - $7.50 1 pt. - $5 1/2 pt. (1lb.) $2.50 I am curious how this compares to other areas. Any replies are appreciated, and please include your general location. Thanks in advance, Larry Dupee, Larry's Natural Delights. -- Motac @ Alachua Freenet, Gainesville, Fl., U.S.A. afn36201@afn.org From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:01:36 -0700 Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31D46450.1A0C@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) I am currently in the process of trying to determine what price to charge this year. I had pretty well settled to $6.50/qt, $3.75/pint until I read your posting. Are you haveing any problems with your prices? Mark Egloff MEGLOFF@CSC.COM From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:59:19 -0700 Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31D463C7.7D49@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) I am currently in the process of trying to determine what price to charge this year. I had pretty well settled to $6.50/qt, $3.75/pint until I read your posting. Are you haveing any problems with your prices? Mark Egloff MEGLOFF@CSC.COM From ZZNF65A@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ZZNF65A@prodigy.com (Stephen Kiss) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 29 Jun 1996 02:17:42 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.254.74 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? From an563795@anon.penet.fi. Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi. (Justin Case) Subject: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Organization: Infinity LTD X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 10:20:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.19 Message-ID: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 9 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns I have seen Queen's for sale with the option of cutting the wings. Does this help prevent the loss of a swarm? Why are the wings cut if not for swarm control? And, if it keeps them from flying away with a queen, what happens to the swarm after they realize that the queen is not able to fly with them? I live and keep my bees in a residential area where swarms are more frightening to passersby then if they saw it happen in the country. I am seriously considering the idea of purchasing clipped queens but I consider this a bit radical since I consider a clipped queen to be a damaged queen. Comments? From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!realtime.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almond Production, 06.28.96 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606290849202187@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 99 From: ERS Maintenance People Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:15:42 EDT Subject: Almond Production, 06.28.96 Almond Production Released June 28, 1996, by the National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS), Agricultural Statistics Board, U.S. Department of Agriculture. For information on "Almond Production" call Linda McMillan at (202) 720-4215, office hours 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. ET. For assistance with general agricultural statistics, information about NASS, its products or services, contact the NASS Information Hotline at 1-800-727-9540 or E-mail: NASS@NASS.USDA.GOV. Almond Production Up 43 Percent From Last Year California's 1996 almond production is forecast at 530 million meat pounds, up 2 percent from May's subjective forecast and up 43 percent from last year's crop. This forecast is based on an estimated bearing acreage of 410,000 acres. Production from the Nonpareil variety is forecast at 250 million meat pounds, up 52 percent from last season. The average nut set per tree is 5,482, up 45 percent from 1995. The Nonpareil average nut set is 4,963, an increase of 29 percent over the previous year's set. The average kernel weight for all varieties sampled was 1.85 grams, down 3 percent from last year. 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Almonds: Bearing Acreage, Yield and Utilized Production, California, 1994-95 and Forecasted 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Bearing Acreage : Yield per Acre State :---------------------------------------------------------- : 1994 : 1995 : 1996 : 1994 : 1995 : 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :---------- Acres ---------- --------- Pounds -------- : CA :409,000 400,000 410,000 1,800 925 1,290 :---------------------------------------------------------- : Utilized Production :---------------------------------------------------------- : 1994 : 1995 : 1996 :---------------------------------------------------------- : 1,000 Pounds : CA (Shelled basis) : 735,000 370,000 530,000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ft Nt 7 (6-96) The next "Almond Production" report will be released in June 1997. 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From LFWY87A@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: LFWY87A@prodigy.com (Sandra Bennett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: IRS sent me $492,883 to pay FSA (FmHA) Date: 29 Jun 1996 18:20:18 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r3s52$4i0u@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.254.73 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Dear Sir, I thought you might be interested in seeing what a Half a Million dollar Tax Return looks like. Of course, since I only earned a few thousand dollars, one wonders why this "error" happened. Is this a case of one agency paying for the wrongdoing of their sister agency? IRS pays FSA (FmHA)? Did they really think we would use one agency's check to pay the other? Would that have been entrapment? Did they think we would follow in the Montana Freeman's footsteps? After 10 years of fighting them aren't they aware that although desperate, we are people of integrity? Strange that the check is written in the amount we need! Also strange that I received it two weeks after our web page went on line. To view the check and see more of our story, see our web page at: http://www.fix.net/~ebennett/ Sincerely, Sandra Bennett ebennett@fix.net From ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!mail_gw.fwall.telecom.com.au!cdn_news.telecom.com.au!usenet From: ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au ( Ian Lawrie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:56:00 GMT Organization: Telstra Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4r3jht$m3u@cdn_news.telecom.com.au> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.70.168 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ZZNF65A@prodigy.com (Stephen Kiss) wrote: >I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee >population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? In Australia, we have to contact the Agriculture Dept. as this is a notifiable disease. If this is the case (Chalk Brood), you should probably be destroying the hives or least fumigating/irradiating them. I am not too sure, check the Ag. Dept. to know for sure because the chalk brood affected hives will become weak and robbing will occur...these bees take home the disease hen you lose more hives, other apiarists become affected if their bees are in on the looting as well so you need to act sort of FAST to be totally fair and realistic to yourself, your bees, other Apiarists and all feral colonies of bees which can become landmines of infection. Good Luck!! Ian Disclaimer: Opinions of mine, not my employer!!! From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Solution Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9606291819002188@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 121 ---------------------------------------- FYI* Good tread from the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- DB>From: douglas baty >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:15:23 -0500 >Subject: Re: Mite Solution: Queen Locating: Smoker Fuel DB>I used 'mite solution' for the first time last fall. Prior to its use I >had lost 23 of my 30 hives to Varroa mite. Although I had earlier used >Apistan, I did not want to continue using it. I placed the mite solution >in with grease patties in the fall, again this spring. A month ago I >checked for Varroa, both in drone brood and with Apistan with sticky >boards, and found NO Varroa. I don't know why it works, but from my >experience, it does work, and the bees are once again healthy and busy in >our gardens. Hello Douglas, This is good information, "it does work". You will see some comments >from others that will fault you or try to lay some kind of guilt trip on you for using a product that is in dispute with government regulators or is not properly registered. Please do not take these comments for anymore then what they are worth which is someone's educated or regulatory opinion who has nothing to lose from your own personal loss of your bees because you did not use an all natural product, other then the time they spent in posting the standard regulatory disclaimer that this is a NO NO..! I think that most of us know what is legal and what is not and I for one do not recommend anyone use anything that is not legal, but do not fault anyone who does and appreciate the reports of anyone's failure or success in doing something that I would not do myself for what ever the personal or job reason I have for not doing so myself. Much of the history of beekeeping is full of home remedies that work but can not be explained, and this includes almost all of the scientific work on bee medicines in use today, like sulfa drugs, (not used today) and TM which no one knows exactly even today how they work or even if they are intended to treat individual bees, bee grubs of one size or age, or the hive of bees as a whole. Sulfa is no longer legal to use in much of the bee world, not because of the dangers in its use by beekeepers but because of more general use in large animals for slaughter. TM is still allowed (in the US) but has been under attack several times and if it is denied because of problems outside of the bee industry you can be sure it too will be gone for use by beekeepers. There are other antibiotics and drugs that work as well as these on individual bee problems but because of the unrealistic costs of registration and not the dangers they could be misused are not available for use on bees. At the same time it must be acknowledged that in recent times when beekeeper have turned their attention to agricultural pesticides for the control of bee pests their have been some grand mistakes made by beekeepers, some beekeepers have managed to shorten their own time on this earth by their lack of knowledge on how to use pesticides. One case in California that resulted in the loss of all use of one chemical in use by the bee industry to kill diseased bees and also control wax moths for thirty five years without problems happened because a bee regulator who also was a beekeepers used the material without using common sense God gives us all and almost killed himself, result none of us, including bee regulators can use the chemical. In France and other places beekeepers have reported a decline in their own personal health because of the fogging of apiaries with pesticides to kill mites, so no fogging is now allowed. I could go on and on, but I won't as accidents do happen and it makes no difference if the product is approved or not. It is sad that the laws are such that no matter how good a home brew product of natural ingredients is there is no practicable way anyone can formulate it without spending large sums of money on standardized tests that may or may not protect the public or the user and do little more then add to the everyday cost of living and/or keeping our bees healthy. If the manufacture or formulator of this "mite solution" had sold it only as a bee food additive he may have been able to do it without serious legal problems because the laws are different for animal food additives then they are for pesticides. (You need no permit, licence, or should you need to fear feeding bees sugar, and other food replacements, even though it is possible that these can get into the honey if not used appropriately. The addition of other natural ingredients, such as the so called "mite solution" to bee food should be no different then adding TANG to standard insects diets which is/or was a standard practice for many years outside of the bee industry, done without any research to back it up other then the fact those who fed insects did it because it did no harm and they felt it was useful.) In this case I believe the ingredients are well known, readily available, natural, and safe to use, and may have even been or are being tested by the USDA for effective control of V. mites. Hopefully some time in the future we all may be able to purchase and use them without fear or problems from regulators. In what year or century I do not know. And my congratulation on being the first beekeeper in the United States to report being able to get off the pesticide treadmill if only for a short period of time.. I only hope it will not be to late for us all as we wait for the USDA or whoever is going to find the non chemical solution to the V. mites and gets the appropriate regulatory approval as an alarming number of bees that were treated with Apistan according to all recommendation and regulations were reported as dead this spring >from V. mites or PMS. If V. mites cause PMS then controlling the mites should solve the problem and our bees should be healthy or at least not dieing from V. mites or PMS. All PMS does is give the chemical manufacture of Apistan an out when beekeepers find their products is not working as advertised as they will say, "our product worked, your bees must have died from PMS" and "the proof our product works is every beekeeper is using it, and if it did not work they would not be doing so", "and its registered, regulated, and recommended by our agents the USDA, bee regulatory officials, and those in higher education and bee research". They won't tell you that none of the above is any more adapt at keeping their bees alive then you are, that is the few that have any live bees. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ L'ENFUMOIR" is the tool the beekeeper uses to smoke pot? From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk (Bill Henderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:44:11 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4r5m74$c8q@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> an563795@anon.penet.fi. (Justin Case) writes: > I have seen Queen's for sale with the option of cutting the wings. Does this > help prevent the loss of a swarm? << snip>> Justin When a swarm takes off the queen goes with it. As she can't fly she crawls out the door and gets lost. All of the swarmed bees (less the queen) fly back to the hive. The hive is kept up to stength and the hive should soon have reared a new queen. It's common practice in the spring to clip the previous year's new queens. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk packet GM0VIT@GB7YEW.#79.GBR.EU From 100603.1400@compuserve.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <100603.1400@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No Unsealed Brood. Date: 30 Jun 1996 14:29:27 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld39-097.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 1371 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 I have just started beekeeping with two nuclei which I received two weeks ago. Today I have checked them both through for a second time. In the first all seemed well with eggs, larvae and sealed brood; with an increase in worked foundation. On opening the second hive I immediately saw a fully sealed queen cell at the bottom of the frame, then checking through the rest of the frames found another queen cell and a two thirds completed queen cell, which was empty. In addition, apart from one nearly sealed drone cell, there was no open brood. There was considerable amounts of sealed brood, but where there had been brood emerging was now being filled with nectar and pollen.There was also a marked amount of capped honey cells compared to the first hive. From this I assume that this hive has no queen and that she was probably lost when I opened the hive the week. I'm not quite sure what to do about this, other than curbing my curiosity. Should I just let bees sort themselves out, as they appear to be doing? If so how long ought I leave before inspecting again to check that they have a laying queen ? The other thought is to unite the two stocks and then split later in the season to form a nucleus when they have built up further. Richard Fox Pattishall, Northants, UK. From afn36201@afn.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet From: Motac Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:54:25 -0700 Organization: Alachua Freenet Lines: 39 Message-ID: <31D6DB71.385E@afn.org> References: <31D46450.1A0C@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup61.afn.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) To: Mark Egloff Mark Egloff wrote: > > I am currently in the process of trying to determine what price to charge > this year. I had pretty well settled to $6.50/qt, $3.75/pint until I > read your posting. Are you haveing any problems with your prices? > > Mark Egloff > MEGLOFF@CSC.COM Mark, I have not had any problem with the prices I'm charging. I am a bit higher (.50 to $1) than some others in the area, but the others process their honey in different ways. Mine is cold filtered, and never heated during processing, resulting in a higher quality honey - so I'm told by both wholesale and retail customers. Some grocers buy honey from me and my competitors at the same time, but they have no problem selling mine at the higher rate right off of the same shelf. People are willing to pay a little more if the quality difference is obvious. Honey that is heated during extraction or filtering ends up visibly less thick than honey that isn't. When I do get a price complaint, I point out that honey and produce prices are likely to skyrocket soon because of all the problems with the bees this year. Usually, they understand. If not, there's always another buyer up the road. Anyway, I based my prices mostly on what others in my area are charging. If you have a superior product, you can get away charging a little more, but not a lot more than your competition. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Motac @ Alachua Freenet "The time has come," the Walrus said, Gainesville, Florida, U.S.A. "To talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax-- Of cabbages--and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot-- And whether pigs have wings." -Alice's Adventures in Wonderland- Lewis Carroll afn36201@afn.org From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:25:14 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4r6cg0$clq@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <4r3jht$m3u@cdn_news.telecom.com.au> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal20-26.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au ( Ian Lawrie) wrote: >If this is the case (Chalk Brood), you should >probably be destroying the hives or least fumigating/irradiating them. Good god man, your government sure takes drastic measures over minor problems! To the original poster: JUST REQUEEN -- that should cure the problem. There is no known treatment for Chalkbrood. From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!udel-eecis!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: IRS sent me $492,883 to pay FSA (FmHA) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:20:33 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4r6c76$clq@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4r3s52$4i0u@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal20-26.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 LFWY87A@prodigy.com (Sandra Bennett) wrote: Dear Sandra, Give it a rest, darlin'.... From VKKG74B@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: VKKG74B@prodigy.com (Crispin Foster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Date: 30 Jun 1996 23:39:09 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r736t$e1a@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.46 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have two colonies of Italians. The queens are now 15 and 12 months old respectively and I plan to requeen later this summer. I've heard that Buckfast bees have good mite resistance and are easy to work with. Has any one here in the mid atlantic US any experience with Buckfasts to share. Any other advice? Crispin Foster From kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 7 14:43:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!uwvax!news.heurikon.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!news.starnet.net!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!emma!kumar From: kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz (Indrakumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: 1 Jul 1996 00:06:56 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4r74r0$su5@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emma.scitec.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Justin Case (an563795@anon.penet.fi.) wrote: : I have seen Queen's for sale with the option of cutting the wings. Does this : help prevent the loss of a swarm? Why are the wings cut if not for swarm : control? And, if it keeps them from flying away with a queen, what happens : to the swarm after they realize that the queen is not able to fly with them? : I live and keep my bees in a residential area where swarms are more : frightening to passersby then if they saw it happen in the country. I am : seriously considering the idea of purchasing clipped queens but I consider : this a bit radical since I consider a clipped queen to be a damaged queen. First, the best way to prevent swarms is to have a young queen, give plenty of room to the bees, and do regular swarm checks, taking appropriate measures if swarming preparation is detected. Clipping a Queen's wings won't prevent the colony from making swarming preparations (building queen cells) and in the long run it doesn't prevent them from swarming: When the swarm first issues, the clipped queen won't be able to accompany it and the swarming bees will return (the queen may be lost in the process when it leaves the hive and can't fly). The bees will wait till some of the new queens emerge, and one or more of these will then leave with the prime swarm. (There may also be more likelihood of casts.) So what you gain by having clipped queens is a bit of time - the time between the colony first attempting to swarm and it actually doing so, and this could be important: A colony may swarm in as little as ten days after initiating queen rearing. If you do swarm checks every two weeks, there is a small possibility that you may still lose a swarm. With clipped queens, given that it takes 16 days from an egg to an emerged queen, you give yourself an extra safeguard. I don't consider a clipped queen to be damaged, since it doesn't seem to affect the queen's performance (except in the air). If the bees "considered" the queen damaged they would supersede her. -- Kumar oo*",ooo***""" ___________ o*****" :****:., \ o"""""o ": "*; \ o*## `'' ##*o $ ", So we the bees make honey, \ * ### ### : ,' \ /# #"*:::* "**::::$:*" but not for ourselves. \ /, ":::" $ "$ $ \/$ $ $ $ "$ $ $ "$ "$ From kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 7 14:43:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!emma!kumar From: kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz (Indrakumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 1 Jul 1996 03:51:17 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r7hvl$p13@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emma.scitec.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Stephen Kiss (ZZNF65A@prodigy.com) wrote: : I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee : population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? Chalkbrood is endemic in many countries, and is not considered a major disease, though it can occasionally destroy a colony. It is a "stress" disease, and has adverse impacts on colonies when the colony is already weakened, or is suffering from other conditions. In the case of chalk brood, which is a fungal disease, such conditions are usually damp conditions inside the hive. If this appears to be the case for your hive, you may wish to increase the ventilation, perhaps replacing the floorboard if it is damp, and ensuring plenty of ventilation under the hive by elevating it a few inches. Also, if your hives are situated in a damp area (such as the bottom of a gully) it may pay to relocate them to a drier area. The mummies of chalkbrood victims are sources of reinfection, so remove and destroy any brood combs which have a large proportion of mummies. Uniting weak colonies together will also help, since a strong colony is more able to fight disease than a weak one. -- Kumar oo*",ooo***""" ___________ o*****" :****:., \ o"""""o ": "*; \ o*## `'' ##*o $ ", So we the bees make honey, \ * ### ### : ,' \ /# #"*:::* "**::::$:*" but not for ourselves. \ /, ":::" $ "$ $ \/$ $ $ $ "$ $ $ "$ "$ From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives for sale Date: 1 Jul 1996 12:59:01 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 This posting is mainly for the UK beekeepers. Am considering selling my bees and all the kit. Has anyone got any guideline as to what they are worth. Five good hives, 15 supers with frames, extractor etc. etc. After 18 years of beekeeping it's time for a rest! John Fox ****************************************************************** Alta BioScience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sun Jul 7 14:43:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: 1 Jul 1996 13:59:38 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin004.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, Cutting of a wing of the queen will not prevent a swarm, but you don´t lose it if you take a regular look for your bees. The old queen will fall on the ground if she leaves the hive with the swarm. The queenless swarm will return to its hive after a short time, and the wingless queen is crawling in front of the hive, attended by a small number of bees. The swarm inside the hive is waiting now for the first virgin queen to leave the hive again. This will give you some more days to buildt up 2nd hive with them (you can use the old queen if you pick her up in front of the hive, or use a new, virgin queen or queencell). If you miss this chance they are gone a week later. Cutting the wing is not swarm control, but it prevent the lost of a swarm, dangerous treeclimbing (beekeepers are not monkeys), and angry neigbours Usullay 1/3 to 1/4 of one wing is cut off. This will disable the queen to fly away(reason for this is the flightmechanism of Hymnoptera or Diptera, a dragonfly or a locust will be able to fly with 3 wings). So is it important to do this cutting only on adult, ready mated queens (wait a few weeks after she starts laying eggs) and cut only one wing. Complete cutting of both pairs of wings may force the bees to rear a new queen, cutting off 1/3 will cause not such problems. Wish all of you a good season Ulli Höger From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sun Jul 7 14:43:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Unsealed Brood. Date: 1 Jul 1996 14:19:05 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin004.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, Yes, obviously you lost a queen somehow, and the bees start rearing a new one. After hatching it takes 5 days for a virgin queen to get ready for the mating flight. Depending on the current weather conditions she should lay the first eggs 10-15 days after hatching. If you find no eggs after this time, place a bee free frame with eggs and young larvae from your other hive in this hive. If they are still queenless they will rear new queencells. If a hive is to long queenless, worker will start to produce eggs. This are drone brood. A indicator for this situation is, if you find more than one egg per cell. Then it´s time to give up this hive, or if it is a strong hive to built up a artificiall swarm with a new queen. Important in this situation is to make sure that the fake-worker queens don´t get in the new hive. They will kill the new queen! A way to do this is to remove all the bees from the frames and let them flight min. 200 meters from the old place of the hive. The egg producing workers are to heavy to fly this distance and get lost. All the other bees will fly back to the old location. There you place the caged new queen and the frames with brood and honey in a hive. The bees should accept the new queen and you got a new hive. Good luck Ulli Höger From newleif@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: newleif@aol.com (NewLeif) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Visit to S. Minn and Eastern ND 7/13-20/96 Date: 1 Jul 1996 12:33:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4r8ukl$nj7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: newleif@aol.com (NewLeif) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am an Oregon sideline beekeeper and will be travelling between Minneapollis and Fargo. We will be staying in Fargo for a week on business. Will have time to visit with interested beekeepers to share information about our joys and sorrows with the Apis critter on the 13th, 14th and part of the 15th. Is there anyone who is willing to let us see what your yard and operation is like in this area? leave a message and we will email the details. Always willing to learn more. NewLeif@aol.com From cspacek@sprynet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.interserv.net!news From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee problems Date: 1 Jul 1996 04:36:07 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4r7kjn$3n8@lal.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd03-025.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 1279 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (32-bit) 4.00 Mike Carbiener writes: >I received a 4-5 lb swarm about a week ago which I promptly put in a >hive. I noticed when I put them in that they split into two groups, >each clustering towards opposite sides of the super. When I went back >a week later, about half the bees had left and moved into the side of >someones house. When I opened the brood chamber, I couldnt find the >queen nor did I see any eggs or larva. There was plenty of pollen and >nectar though and the start of a couple of queen cells. >My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Why did the >queen abandon my hive? Why did half of the bees stay? Why are they >building queen cells if there are no eggs, do I have laying workers? >Should I order a new queen or wait a week and reinspect? And finally, >how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without >killing them or tearing apart their wall. I'm a starving student so >hiring a bee remover is going to kill me. I have access to another >healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood and place it in my >hive? and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't >fight? >Thanks for your help >-- >Mike Carbiener > >http://www.netcom.com/~bermshot/ From cspacek@sprynet.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.interserv.net!news From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee problems Date: 1 Jul 1996 04:37:53 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4r7kn1$3n8@lal.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd03-025.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 1359 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (32-bit) 4.00 Mike Carbiener writes: >I received a 4-5 lb swarm about a week ago which I promptly put in a >hive. I noticed when I put them in that they split into two groups, >each clustering towards opposite sides of the super. When I went back >a week later, about half the bees had left and moved into the side of >someones house. When I opened the brood chamber, I couldnt find the >queen nor did I see any eggs or larva. There was plenty of pollen and >nectar though and the start of a couple of queen cells. >My questions are, could it be possible I had two queens? Why did the >queen abandon my hive? Why did half of the bees stay? Why are they >building queen cells if there are no eggs, do I have laying workers? >Should I order a new queen or wait a week and reinspect? And finally, >how do I get the bees out of the side of these people's house without >killing them or tearing apart their wall. I'm a starving student so >hiring a bee remover is going to kill me. I have access to another >healthy hive, should I remove a frame of brood and place it in my >hive? and if so how do I do it so that the two groups of bees don't >fight? >Thanks for your help >-- >Mike Carbiener > >http://www.netcom.com/~bermshot/ the answer s to your questions are in Apis news letter @apis home page good luck From drebben1@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!newsfeeder.servtech.com!news1.io.org!winternet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!usenet From: Ken Pereira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eagle Scout Project Date: 1 Jul 1996 20:05:32 GMT Organization: InfoPage Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4r9b2c$4bf@nntp1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipage.vip.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Hello. My name is Ken. I am 15 years old, and have been working hard on my Boy Scout Eagle Rank. To acquire this I need to conduct a service project for my community. The project I chose was to build a Beehive for The John Muir House National Historic Site. Unfortuneately I can not get started until I have some funding. I have called several companies and none really care about the BSA. (boy scouts of america). So here I am now begging for your generosity. If anybody wants to send just $1 or whatever i would be very greatful. Ken Pereira 121 Gardenia Ct. Martinez Ca. 94553 USA From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Sun Jul 7 14:43:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!inferno.mpx.com.au!news From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 22:21:15 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4r9mht$8kv@inferno.mpx.com.au> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.79 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ZZNF65A@prodigy.com (Stephen Kiss) wrote: >I have several hives with chalkbrood which is noticeably keeping the bee >population down. Could anyone offer me some advice regarding this? We had chalkbrood for first time last Summer. It severeley effected every hive in a 50 hive apiary. As chalkbrood is a recent introduction to Australia I believe the bees had little resistance and hopefully things will be better this summer. Very little honey collected for whole season. All the tried and true methods of control were applied, including requeening, all failed to stem the tide. Three mile down the road I have not had one case of chalkbrood. At the time of the outbreak we were feeding Soy flour in the open and I believe this was why the problem was so complete No our Ag Dept (New South Wales) does not recommend destruction, just as well I would have been wiped out! Chalk brood is now considered endemic to the Eastern States here in Australia. Its effects at this early stage range from mildly annoying to near disaster! No doubt, with time, it will abate. Peter Murphy From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!unogate!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: 30 Jun 1996 06:08:54 GMT Message-ID: <4029939679.11592762@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 11 I've known beekeepers who claim they still use brood comb their father used. The bees may get smaller, but that does not prove anything about pollen/nectar loads. Smaller bees may mean more honey because it takes less to raise a smaller bee, less honey used to make new comb, etc. The pollen load wouldn't matter on the bee size much. Of course, you must replace drone comb in the brood chamber. I'm still sittin' on the fence on this one! Evan I've known beekeepers who claim they still use brood comb their father used. The bees may get smaller, but that does not prove anything about pollen/nectar loads. Smaller bees may mean more honey because it takes less to raise a smaller bee, less honey used to make new comb, etc. The pollen load wouldn't matter on the bee size much. Of course, you must replace drone comb in the brood chamber. I'm still sittin' on the fence on this one! Evan From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.cableol.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:12:44 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger writes >Cutting the wing is not swarm control, but it prevent the lost of >a swarm, dangerous treeclimbing (beekeepers are not monkeys), and >angry neigbours > Good points, except the last ! If shes not clipped they go out and go away. If she's clipped they go out, they go in. They go out, they go in. They go out ......... :-) -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From pwestall@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me please Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:54:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rbr90$23n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31CFFED8.44E7@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Yes you had two virgin queens I'd say. But it could possibly be two mated queens, but most unlikely. How to get bees out of a wall? Get hold of ABZ of beekeeping from a library. there is a method in there but it involves a small hive (nucleus). If you can get to a library of some worth it may have back numbers of Bee Craft. Or you can write to me at: !, Rushford Avenue, Wombourne, wolverhampton, WV5 0HZ, UK and I'll give you a scanned version of one of my back numbers. I've done it, It works. Christopher Westall From NateS@svi.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.MediaCity.com!usenet From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 00:13:11 -0700 Organization: MediaCity World http://www.mediacity.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31D8CC07.3727@svi.org> References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.110.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I was also about to post a question about cutting a queen's wings... and some of you might find this interesting. My best friend who is a phylosophy student gave me a book to read, Virgil's The Georgics, since he knows that I am a beekeeper and he can't resist an opportunity to get me to read a little of his material. The Georgics, written in 29 B.C., has one section all about beekeeping, so if you are interested in some history of beekeeping, give it a read. The one part that caught my eye was about clipping a Queen's (rather King's as written) wings as a method of swarm control. "But if the swarm is aimless, gadding about in the air, disdainful of the cells and leaving its quarters to get cold, you must intervene to check their giddy spirits from idle play. To check them is no great task: just take the kings and tear their wings off. While these stay at home no one will dare to take off into the air, strike camp and move the standards." So, there you have it. A practice that dates back hundres of years. nate From mccannon@cris.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: mccannon@cris.com (Walter McCannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does honey "spoil" ??? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 22:40:14 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc028068.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 I recently sat down to breakfast with a jar of honey I had purchased last year in the North Georgia mountain area. It has a piece of comb in it and I have enjoyed the taste of the honey on previous occasions. The taste this time was very odd - it didn't seem sweet at all. It was not at all crystallized and about half of the comb was out of the liquid honey. Is there a chance that the honey spoiled when the pantry got quite warm one of the days my air conditioning was broken? Thanks for your expert response, Walter --------------------------------------------------------------------- Walter P. McCannon e-mail: mccannon@cris.com Marietta, GA CI$: 74633,403 walter.p.mccannon@gpc.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ccgammon@awinc.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:48:55 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4rbcsn$doo@kryten.awinc.com> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <4r9mht$8kv@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes07.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Peter: In Canada, our personal experience with chalkbrood has been that it may be based upon insufficient hive ventilation. I don't understand the scientific aspects, however, it is my understanding that chalkbrood is related to excessive heat and moisture. A number of beekeepers up here have improved the ventilation in their hives and the chalkbrood vanished. One thing you can try is take an empty deep or dadant box and stretch and staple window screening over the entire underside of the box. Then, drill 1 and 1/2 inch holes all around the box, about 3 inches down from the top of the box. Screen in the holes. When that's done, put the box on top of the hive (allowing bee space between the screening and the topbar of the frames) and then put the lid on top of that. The idea is that the hot, moist air goes up into the empty box and vents out the holes. Consequently, the hive can concentrate on foraging and dehydrating the nectar. For some reason, the chalkbrood leaves, too. Craig G. From ccgammon@awinc.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!laslo.netnet.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:54:14 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes07.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the Seaattle area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason bees. I've talked with him recently, however, I've misplaced his telephone number. Evan, if you're out there, respond, as I need to talk to you. If anyone can help me locate him, I'd be most grateful. Craig G. From saylor@nitco.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hyperion.nitco.com!root From: Tom Saylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aerial Photography Service Date: 2 Jul 1996 16:31:57 GMT Organization: Tom Saylor Photography Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4rbitt$rr7@hyperion.nitco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.15.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:12367 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4780 Hi, we're an aerial photography company in the United States---we travel throughout the USA shooting low-level oblique color slides from low-flying airplanes. We specialize in business and industrial aerial photos, but we'll photograph any site we can identify and fly to including agricultural and residential properties. Currently we are working in the Northeast---NJ, MA, CT, etc. If you need current aerial photography please check our web site to see our 1996 shooting schedule. Generally we work in one state at a time---traveling with the seasons. We shoot high quality medium format transparency film with gyroscopic stabilization to give you extremely high image quality. Check our web site for more details. -- Tom Saylor Photography http://www.saylorphoto.com/ phone:(219)992-2413 fax:(219)992-2644 From pwestall@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New hive and some questions Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:53:56 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rbr84$23d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <01bb6134.a63c8b80$2e3bd4cc@primenet.primenet.com> Reply-To: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Richard, if you see eggs you have a queen. If eggs are too small for you, larvae present will also be positive. Queens are not easily seen as a rule. You will come across her when you least expect it. If you see well loaded pollen baskets on the bees entering you can be fairly sure all is well. However your concern is real I would say most queens are killed because of the beekeeper. Christopher Westall, UK (England) From parker@airtime.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.airtime.co.uk!airtime.co.uk!parker From: "Chris Parker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives for sale Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 22:24:46 +0000 Organization: None Lines: 11 Message-ID: <18446242296645ntc@airtime.co.uk> References: <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: parker@airtime.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.airtime.co.uk X-Newsreader: NETcetera II - 2.503 (Registered) 12000089 (c)1994-1996 Much depends upon the type of hive you possess and the condition. As a rough guide second hand equipment sell for approximately 30% of the new value, sometimes a little less.Now is not the time to sell equipment. Why not pass it over to a budding newcomer who wishes to start up. Neville Hawken - Bath Beekeepers. From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David & Margaret Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does honey "spoil" ??? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:22:09 +0100 Organization: berfa - now bigger than ever Lines: 41 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2YZuCKAx2i2xEwrf@berfa.demon.co.uk> References: <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 In article <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net>, Walter McCannon writes > >I recently sat down to breakfast with a jar of honey I had purchased last >year in the North Georgia mountain area. It has a piece of comb in it and >I have enjoyed the taste of the honey on previous occasions. > >The taste this time was very odd - it didn't seem sweet at all. It was not >at all crystallized and about half of the comb was out of the liquid honey. > >Is there a chance that the honey spoiled when the pantry got quite warm one >of the days my air conditioning was broken? > >Thanks for your expert response, Walter >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Walter P. McCannon e-mail: mccannon@cris.com >Marietta, GA CI$: 74633,403 walter.p.mccannon@gpc.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------- This response is not given as an expert but more for general advice. Yes honey can change and it can spoil. At higher concentrations of sugar you can get crystal formation and this can give a different mouth-feel at low concentrations , less than about 65% w/w if I remember but check for yoruself if the exact figure is importanmt, the honey is very thin and small beekeepers feed it back to them. Thin or weak honey is prone to microbiological spoilage and this will affect the taste. Traditional jars of jam and preserves have a small sheet of waxed paper to prevent any water droplets from condensation initiating local spoilage as that local sugar concentration is reduces. If the humididty is high, as I recall this it is at this time, them that could cause spoilage. -- David & Margaret Gladstone From brooksc@it.postoffice.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news-in.tiac.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uk-po.com!usenet From: Chris Brooks Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drowned bees Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 10:56:35 +0100 Organization: The Post Office Lines: 28 Message-ID: <31D8F253.EF5@it.postoffice.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.87.1.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: Jolyon Jenkins Jolyon Jenkins wrote: > > I took some honey last weekend from one of my hives having put a porter > escape below the honey super a few days previously. Just in case porter > escapes are called something different in other parts of the world, these > are little metal devices which allows bees through in one direction > (down) but not the other, so you can remove the super later, free of > bees. Normally I don't bother with one - I just brush and shake the bees > off - so this was an experiment. I too use Porter-Bee escapes, they work best when the weather is warm and the bees want to get out. I have found that to clear a super it is best to use two Porter-Bee escapes per super. The only problems I have had with them are :- a) When I had drones up there (Don't ask) and they are too big to get out and died. b) When I have left the escapes on for 4 or more days the bees have sealed them up from below. I have not had dead bees above the escape other than the Drones. Bees cannot drown in the Honey if it is ripe as it should not run down for them to drown in. ChrisB (Chesterfield, UK) From dhoward@helius.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.caldera.com!news From: Dirk Howard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 16:50:04 -0600 Organization: Helius, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <31D9A79C.69B1F0CC@helius.com> References: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.helius.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4CALDERA (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) To: Craig Gammon Craig Gammon wrote: > > I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the > Seaattle area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason > bees. I've talked with him recently, however, I've misplaced his > telephone number. > > Evan, if you're out there, respond, as I need to talk to you. > If anyone can help me locate him, I'd be most grateful. > > Craig G. Take a look at the following web page. http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/ Dirk --- dhoward@helius.com From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Replacing Old Comb Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:27:18 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4029939679.11592762@seafish.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4029939679.11592762@seafish.org>, "Evan E. Twombly" writes >I've known beekeepers who claim they still use brood comb >their father used. I'm still sittin' >on the fence on this one! > >Evan > I'm not on the fence. I think 'It ain't natural' and 'disease, disease, disease.' In one of the Scandinavian counties I'm told by law all beekeepers must change the brood chamber combs every year. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From ryoung@inow.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ns2.mainstreet.net!viper.inow.com!du49.inow.com!user From: ryoung@inow.com (Rick Young) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 11:25:19 -0800 Organization: self Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du49.inow.com In article <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com>, ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) wrote: >I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the Seaattle >area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason bees. Evan Sugden and Kristina Willians of Bothell, Washingon sell Mason Bees and bee blocks (houses). Their company is EntomoLogic. Evan's email address is easugden@msn.com. Their products are based on a cardboard tube inserts (nests) that go into 3/8" holes drilled into the bee block. The inside diameter of the tube is 5/16". They sell the Mason Bees in these 3 3/8" long tubes, a 20 hole bee block, and replacement tubes. When you have a surplus of bees they will buy them back. Their literature indicates that they have applied for a patent ("patent applied for") on some aspect of their removable inserts. As indicated in other replies to this, Knox Cellars also has Mason Bees and bee blocks (http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/). One of Knox Cellars products in an informative book (70 pages) "The Orchard Mason Bee" by Brian L. Griffin. In the "Addendum to 2nd Printing 1994" of the above book Brian recommends: (because the bees) "prefer a clean fresh hole" ... "keep two sets of nesting blocks and use then in alternate years" ... "remove the old blocks, redrill and clean them with a clorox solution". I assume that this also helps reduce the parasitic mite population and the Chalk Brood fungus disease. EntomoLogic's replaceable cardboard tubes are an alternate way of providing a "clean fresh hole" that appears to be easier to maintain than the above and you can easily give or sell surplus nest to others. It does have a recurring cost of replacing the tubes. The bee blocks are of different sizes (36 & 20 hole) and cost. When comparing them keep in mind that you should buy Knox Cellar's blocks in pairs. With the EntomoLogic block you put all nest tubes with bees in a temporary housing (a can) in the spring and the bees emerge from there. This allows you to put new tubes in the same block, and if necessary, you can clean it without having a second set of blocks. - Rick - Rick (EMail: ryoung@inow.com) From kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!comp.vuw.ac.nz!auckland.ac.nz!emma!kumar From: kumar@scitec.auckland.ac.nz (Indrakumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood/how to eliminate? Date: 3 Jul 1996 04:51:37 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4rcu8p$osj@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <4r23o6$2d8g@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <4r3jht$m3u@cdn_news.telecom.com.au> <4r6cg0$clq@news-f.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emma.scitec.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] BusyKnight (busykngt@airmail.net) wrote: : ILawrie@ncagrsg1.telecom.com.au ( Ian Lawrie) wrote: : >If this is the case (Chalk Brood), you should : >probably be destroying the hives or least fumigating/irradiating them. : Good god man, your government sure takes drastic measures : over minor problems! The Australian measures would be drastic if chalkbrood were endemic in Australia. However, chalkbrood does not occur in Australia (unless it has sneaked in recently), and so the Australian measures are appropriate to prevent the disease becoming established in that country. -- Kumar oo*",ooo***""" ___________ o*****" :****:., \ o"""""o ": "*; \ o*## `'' ##*o $ ", So we the bees make honey, \ * ### ### : ,' \ /# #"*:::* "**::::$:*" but not for ourselves. \ /, ":::" $ "$ $ \/$ $ $ $ "$ $ $ "$ "$ From ajdel@interramp.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!inXS.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip209.herndon10.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does honey "spoil" ??? Date: 3 Jul 1996 00:39:22 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rcffq$ehg@usenet4.interramp.com> References: <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.237.209 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:50:18 GMT In article <31d69d8f.123758@news.concentric.net> Walter McCannon, mccannon@cris.com writes: >I recently sat down to breakfast with a jar of honey I had purchased last >year in the North Georgia mountain area. It has a piece of comb in it and >I have enjoyed the taste of the honey on previous occasions. > >The taste this time was very odd - it didn't seem sweet at all. It is probable that the honey fermented. The world is full of wild yeast and a fair number of these find their way into honey. If the honey has been concentrated enough by the bees (to the point where it has less than about 18% water) osmotic pressure causes the water within the yeast cells to pass to the honey causing the yeast to go dormant. If the honey is not sufficiently dry, the yeast will begin to ferment the sugars in the honey converting them to alcohol and carbon dioxide. A producer who suspects that his honey is too high in water content will heat it thus killing the yeast cells and delaying the onset of fermentation. This is only a temporary fix as the honey becomes reinocculated when the consumer opens the jar. Most states require that honey sold in their jurisdiction have less than a specified amount of water. But honey is quite hygroscopic which means that it will absorb water >from the air if it is humid enough. I can't tell exactly what happened to your jar of honey but the absence of sweetness strongly suggests fermentation. Cheers, AJ From rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!btnet-feed1!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Jolyon Jenkins") Subject: Drowned bees Message-ID: Organization: . Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:09:40 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 27 I took some honey last weekend from one of my hives having put a porter escape below the honey super a few days previously. Just in case porter escapes are called something different in other parts of the world, these are little metal devices which allows bees through in one direction (down) but not the other, so you can remove the super later, free of bees. Normally I don't bother with one - I just brush and shake the bees off - so this was an experiment. When I came to retrieve the super, I found about 50 - 100 dead bees in it. They were blackened and looked as if they had drowned in honey. I don't know why this is. My theory is that they were bees which were going to die anyway, and would normally have been cleared out of the hive by healthy workers, except that all the healthy workers had left the super, so there was no one to do it. My co-owner of the hive disagrees and thinks that the dead bees were somehow trapped in the super by the porter escape and drowned in honey. She points out that they were all covered in the stuff. I argue that if this were the correct explanation, they would be clustered around the escape, whereas in fact they were evenly distributed around the frames, and showed no sign of having tried to get out. (Basically, she is arguing that I left the escape on too long - about four days - and that some bees got trapped and died. I just think they would have died anyway.) Can any more experienced bee-keeper shed any light on this? Jolyon Jenkins From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bees? Date: 3 Jul 1996 10:21:31 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 25 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rdvlb$1jr@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4rbd6m$doo@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader >> I'm looking for a gentleman by the name of Evan or Evans in the Seaattle area who, with some friends, are developing orchard mason bees. I've talked with him recently, however, I've misplaced his telephone number. Evan, if you're out there, respond, as I need to talk to you. If anyone can help me locate him, I'd be most grateful.<< Brian Griffin has a web site with info on Orchard Mason bees. http://www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/omb.htm He's out in the Pacific NW, so he may be the one you want. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives for sale Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:08:18 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4r8i2l$9t1@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, "John E. Fox" writes > >This posting is mainly for the UK beekeepers. >Am considering selling my bees and all the kit. Has anyone got >any guideline as to what they are worth. Five good hives, 15 supers >with frames, extractor etc. etc. > >After 18 years of beekeeping it's time for a rest! > >John Fox > >****************************************************************** >Alta BioScience Email: altabios@bham.ac.uk >School of Biochemistry Phone: 0121-414-5450 >The University of Birmingham Fax: 0121-414-3376 >Edgbaston, BIRMINGHAM, B15 2TT, UK Hi John, I am assuming that the hives are nationals, in which case they would sell empty for about 25.00ukp. That is floor b. box, QE,super, cover board, & roof. A hive of bees may well sell for 60.00 ukp. It all depends if you can find a buyer. I expect that with varroa working its way further west that there may well be a surplus of hives available. As extractor if it is tinplate is worthless, however stainless steel and plastic do have some value. I have seen 10 frame radials go for 70.00 at auction at Hartpury. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers' Association From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Unsealed Brood. Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:56:55 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 43 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger writes >Hi, >Yes, obviously you lost a queen somehow, and the bees start >rearing a new one. >After hatching it takes 5 days for a virgin queen to get ready >for the mating flight. Depending on the current weather >conditions she should lay the first eggs 10-15 days after >hatching. >If you find no eggs after this time, place a bee free frame with >eggs and young larvae from your other hive in this hive. If they >are still queenless they will rear new queencells. >If a hive is to long queenless, worker will start to produce >eggs. This are drone brood. A indicator for this situation is, >if you find more than one egg per cell. Then it´s time to give up >this hive, or if it is a strong hive to built up a artificiall >swarm with a new queen. >Important in this situation is to make sure that the fake-worker >queens don´t get in the new hive. They will kill the new queen! >A way to do this is to remove all the bees from the frames and >let them flight min. 200 meters from the old place of the hive. >The egg producing workers are to heavy to fly this distance and >get lost. All the other bees will fly back to the old location. >There you place the caged new queen and the frames with brood and >honey in a hive. The bees should accept the new queen and you >got a new hive. > >Good luck > >Ulli Höger > >As Ulli says you may well find that a new queen is produced, and you will be able to tell after 3 weeks or so as there will be uncapped brood and eggs. If after this time there is not evidence of a queen then you can exchange a frame of eggs and unsealed brood from your other have and introduce it (free of bees) into you queenless hive. the bees will then produce a new queen from the introduced eggs. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers Association -- Graham Loveridge From LKDC43A@prodigy.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: LKDC43A@prodigy.com (Jerry Mishler) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are you LOOKING for winter locations? Date: 4 Jul 1996 01:06:57 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rf5fh$2ri2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.253.74 X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I am a beekeeper in central Fl. that would like to run you bees for the winter. I will provide all locations for your bees. If you would be intrested in shipping your bees for winter locations please call 407-860- 3755 thank you. From joel@ssd.intel.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!itnews.sc.intel.com!news.fm.intel.com!ornews.intel.com!news.co.intel.com!joel From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update on creation of sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 3 Jul 1996 17:01:19 GMT Organization: Scalable Systems Division (SSD), Intel Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4re910$6j3@news.co.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bert.co.intel.com Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:2772 alt.agriculture.misc:5493 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13361 rec.gardens:138498 sci.agriculture:12399 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4795 For those of you who saw the RFD for creation of sci.agriculture.fruit, a Call For Votes (CFV) is in the queue and should appear in the next week or two. The discussion was limited so be sure and vote so we get a good representation. Thanks joel From NAFTA@gnn.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!NAFTA From: NAFTA@gnn.com (Heber Castillo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mexican Honey For Sale Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 21:14:28 Organization: Nafta Company Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4rf9p1$188@news-e2b.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 43-50.client.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1996 02:20:17 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 I will have Mexican wildflower pure honey for sale in september. Looking for a buyer or partner to buy large quantity. This is good quality honey from the Veracruz area. If interested please reply by e-mail. From akhatt1@umbc.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: akhatt1@umbc.edu (Live for Today / Strive for Tomorrow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Honeyfarm website Date: 4 Jul 1996 02:09:31 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4rfn6r$n07@umbc10.umbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc10.umbc.edu NNTP-Posting-User: akhatt1 Howard Honey Farms welcomes the honor of your presence at its new website: http://smart.net/~metric/honey Howard Honey Farms is a honey farm located in Maryland. Thanks! -- Adnan Khattak akhatt1@gl.umbc.edu "When you're good and crazy, the sky's the limit!!" - The Tick From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!mr.net!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:56:15 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4pf6o0$1q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ECaldw9669 writes >Does anyone have information or experience with requeening a colony with >queen cells using cell protectors? We have recently begun trying this >method and are wondering if anyone has used this method and what results >you obtained. > >Also, if we don't kill the old queen, when we introduce the queen cell, >what percentage of the time will the virgin queen kill the existing queen? > I'm disappointed not to have seen any replies on this issue yet. I have tried this with a group of my collegues this summer and we are just begining to see what happened. We raised a batch of 10 cells for introduction into various colonies. They were protected either by home-made spiral wound wire cages or Sellotape (and both) and the old queens marked. So far we know that four suceeded in producing new laying queens and await news of the others. These four go as follows. One (Sellotape) into a nuc resulted in a mature (we think laying) queen coexisting with the old queen. Unfortunately a later attempt to mark her resulted in her being balled by the bees and killed. One (Sellotape) into a colony with a three year old queen resulted in the new queen again coexisting with the old. This has now been divided. One (Sellotape) into a swarm with a queen of unknown age has emerged and the old queen has not been seen. One (wire) emerged two days after insertion into a colony with a three year old queen. Sixteen days later the new and old queens were both seen laying on the same frame about 4 cells apart. The old queen has now been removed into a top-bar log hive together with all the flying bees and the new left to build for the winter. For the last week or so the weather has been miserable and cold (this is England!) and inspection not particularly wise. With hindsight we would have wanted to leave the pairs of queens together to see how long they would co-exist but we had planed to use them in observations or the log where we needed old queens. The rate of co-existence seems quite high but could all be attributed to the declining old queens. It suggests too that the bees are more often responsible for killing unwanted queens rather than queens fighting. My opinion is that with younger queens one is more likely to kill the other but you could not be sure the survivor (whichever) would be undamaged, or that (in our climate) the virgin would properly mate afterwards. If so you need to control this. Next time ...... Have you any news ? -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update on creation of sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 4 Jul 1996 10:18:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4rg5po$jiv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4re910$6j3@news.co.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:2777 alt.agriculture.misc:5494 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13364 rec.gardens:138575 sci.agriculture:12403 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4799 In article <4re910$6j3@news.co.intel.com>, Joel Clark wrote: > >For those of you who saw the RFD for creation of sci.agriculture.fruit, >a Call For Votes (CFV) is in the queue and should appear in the next >week or two. The discussion was limited so be sure and vote so we >get a good representation. Really. I saw three follow-ups to the RFD in news.groups. How about posting the amended charter *before* you post a CFV? I'd like to see if any of my suggestions were implemented. thanks, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supplies Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:42:23 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 Not being subscriber to ABJ can any of you suggest someone who can act as an agent or send me a catalogue so I can buy those natty little items like JZ's BZ queen cages, by airmail. No, I don't want them by the '000's, just a few for me and my pals to play with. Any country will do. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supplies Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:32:29 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article , Dave Black writes >Not being subscriber to ABJ can any of you suggest someone who can act >as an agent or send me a catalogue so I can buy those natty little items >like JZ's BZ queen cages, by airmail. No, I don't want them by the >'000's, just a few for me and my pals to play with. Any country will do. Dave, Give Derbyshire Beekeeping Centre a ring on 01773 550513. They sell the JZ & BZ push-in cell cups for £3.82 per 100, the cell protectors at £1.00 for 10, and the oval queen cages at £2.88 for 10. At least, these are the prices they quote in their Spring price-list. I bought a load of Jenter and Apidea stuff from them recently and found them to be very prompt and reliable. However, don't expect to pay by plastic as I think they are only a small operation and don't like paying the credit card company their cut. I paid by cheque. I hope that this helps, -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From shawnm@unb.ca Sun Jul 7 14:43:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!for008.novlab.unb.ca!shawnm From: shawnm@unb.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Animal Damage Prevention Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:04:19 GMT Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: for008.novlab.unb.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] I am looking for contacts to find literature, Gov't depts, or companies that deal in the prevention of crop damage (including bee hives as well as orchirds and field crops) by bears, deer, birds and other species of wildlife. If you can help at all, please email me and let me know. shawnm@unb.ca From meghan@cctv.org Sun Jul 7 14:43:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!bristlecone.together.net!news From: meghan@cctv.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: 4 Jul 1996 19:23:35 GMT Organization: onectc Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4rh5nn$nlr@bristlecone.together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port-44-max-btv-03.ramp.together.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Does anyone have plans for building a small 2-4 frame honey extractor? I have the Garden Way plans, but i want to get even simpler...and I don't have alot of money...Thanks meghan From wilkhack@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A problem I have with my first hive Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:40:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rha8i$95c@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31D11866.3F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com When you start a new hive with all new foundation you need to basically force the bees to draw cells on it. That means that you have to fill the hive body with all 10 frames of foundation. Now that you have cells built all over the inside of your hive you need to scrape these off of the sides and top and put all of your frames in the hive. This will leave them no room to draw anywhere else but on the foundation. Keep the top bars of you frames scraped clean of wax and the bottom as well. You will then be able to open your hive more easily. To open your hive now you need to use your hive tool and pry it open, then scrape clean of wax. The bees will build "spur comb" on top of the frames as they start to run out of room keep it scraped off or you will run into the same problem. If you can get ahold of some drawn comb (foundation where bees have already built comb) the bees like to use this much better that new foundation. They don't want to use new foundation, that is why you have to force them. From janetkatz@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a tidy hive? Date: 4 Jul 1996 17:27:34 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rhd06$alv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4qrrqj$fjp@news.cc.utah.edu> Reply-To: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Ted: Yet another opininion. I would have gone with the two deep brood boxes, metal queen excluder and a honey super. I didn't use excluders the first few years I kept bees and didn't like the brood in the honey supers. Also, I just clean the burr comb off the top bars and from around that first frame so, like someone else said, when you pry that first frame up and out you're not gouging the capped honey or rolling bees. If 10 frames seem too tight, you might want to go to a nine-frame configuration. There are metal spacers that you can tack on the top lips of the box so that nine frames will be nicely spaced. Janet A. Katz From janetkatz@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A problem I have with my first hive Date: 4 Jul 1996 17:26:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rhcuv$alh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31D11866.3F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Chris: I'll make two suggestions: 1. The "hammer" approach. Just get in there, remove all the burr comb, gently shaking the bees back in, and put in the missing frames; or 2. If the pieces of burr comb attached to the top and sides are big enough, gently remove them and place them in a frame wiring them in place with the same thin wire you would embed in plain wax foundation. Make sure the cant of the cells is upward (in other words, don't put the burr comb in the frame up-side-down). Both methods have been successful for me. \ Janet A. Katz From brooksc@it.postoffice.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uk-po.com!usenet From: Chris Brooks Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 08:32:14 +0100 Organization: The Post Office Lines: 310 Message-ID: <31DB737E.EF0@it.postoffice.co.uk> References: <4rh5nn$nlr@bristlecone.together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.87.1.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------281E1EFD7285" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------281E1EFD7285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit meghan@cctv.org wrote: > > Does anyone have plans for building a small 2-4 frame honey extractor? > I have the Garden Way plans, but i want to get even simpler...and I don't > have alot of money...Thanks meghan Try http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html as they have some plans. 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Jordan L.K. Schwartz - jlks@u.washington.edu --------------281E1EFD7285-- From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk (Bill Henderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are you LOOKING for winter locations? Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:07:47 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4rijbn$m4u@roch.zetnet.co.uk> References: <4rf5fh$2ri2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk In message <4rf5fh$2ri2@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> LKDC43A@prodigy.com (Jerry Mishler) writes: > I am a beekeeper in central Fl. that would like to run you bees for the > winter. I will provide all locations for your bees. If you would be > intrested in shipping your bees for winter locations please call 407-860- > 3755 thank you. Could I leave my bees where they are and come myself instead ? Bill, Tropical Scotland From john@gateside.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gateside.demon.co.uk!john From: John Stanton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa & Oil of Wintergreen Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:00:37 +0100 Organization: joshua plumtree Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gateside.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gateside.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 I have heard of oil of wintergreen being used as an old fashioned remedy for infected hives - has anyone heard or used this in their hives and if so what for and what were the results. -- John Stanton From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Unsealed Brood. Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 17:45:13 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4rj9ru$mh7@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4r6307$pmq@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj3-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 05 7:46:22 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Graham Loveridge wrote: >In article <4r8mop$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger > writes >>Hi, >>Yes, obviously you lost a queen somehow, and the bees start >>rearing a new one. >>After hatching it takes 5 days for a virgin queen to get ready >>for the mating flight. Depending on the current weather >>conditions she should lay the first eggs 10-15 days after >>hatching. >>If you find no eggs after this time, place a bee free frame with >>eggs and young larvae from your other hive in this hive. If they >>are still queenless they will rear new queencells. >>If a hive is to long queenless, worker will start to produce >>eggs. This are drone brood. A indicator for this situation is, >>if you find more than one egg per cell. Then it´s time to give up >>this hive, or if it is a strong hive to built up a artificiall >>swarm with a new queen. >>Important in this situation is to make sure that the fake-worker >>queens don´t get in the new hive. They will kill the new queen! >>A way to do this is to remove all the bees from the frames and >>let them flight min. 200 meters from the old place of the hive. >>The egg producing workers are to heavy to fly this distance and >>get lost. All the other bees will fly back to the old location. >>There you place the caged new queen and the frames with brood and >>honey in a hive. The bees should accept the new queen and you >>got a new hive. >> >>Good luck >> >>Ulli Höger >> >>As Ulli says you may well find that a new queen is produced, and you >will be able to tell after 3 weeks or so as there will be uncapped brood >and eggs. If after this time there is not evidence of a queen then you >can exchange a frame of eggs and unsealed brood from your other have and >introduce it (free of bees) into you queenless hive. the bees will then >produce a new queen from the introduced eggs. >Graham Loveridge >Gwent Beekeepers Association >-- >Graham Loveridge The only thought I have to add is that the eggs that are introduced to the queenless hive have to be not more than 36 hours' old--they still look like very tiny grains of rice standing on end--if you have good eyes! Janet Katz From hox@nas.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!news From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can we get our swarm back? Date: 5 Jul 1996 18:06:45 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4rjljl$9u5@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup25.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Hello, Yesterday one of our hives swarmed. We were able to follow them for about 1/4 mile and then lost them in heavey brush and woods. I was wondering how far a swarm might go before they settle down. Most of my books say not very far or some other unexact thing. I want some kind of range so I know if it is worth combating devil's club and vine maple to try and find them. If we do find them could we coax them into hive bodies by leaving some nearby with drawn comb or do we have to actually catch them? I think they might have been in a bit of a panic because about 1/2 hour before they swarmed we had started a fire in our burn barrel which was near some hive bodies with drawn comb which my husband bought a few days before and hadn't stored yet. I suspect the bees had planned to move into these hive bodies and paniced when they encountered the smoke from the fire. Any ideas? Thanks... Sonja From bconner@cybercom.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.cybercom.net!mfd-dial2-19.cybercom.net!user From: bconner@cybercom.net (Bruce Conner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for exotic honey Date: 5 Jul 1996 21:25:05 GMT Organization: Cyber Access Internet Services (617) 396-0491 Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mfd-dial2-19.cybercom.net X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b4 I'm located in the Boston area and I want to find some exotic honey for some test batches of mead. I would need about 3 or 4 pounds of any particular variety to start, and if the results warrant, then I would need more later. One particular variety I want to try is heather honey. Anybody out there able to help? Bruce Conner bconner@cybercom.net From gmk@ccsr.uiuc.edu Sun Jul 7 14:43:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: Gottfried Mayer-Kress Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees wanted Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 00:57:14 -0600 Organization: Center for Complex Systems Research Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31DE0E4A.6882@ccsr.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: gmk@ccsr.uiuc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: berlin-11.slip.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Greetings, I read in the New York Times about the problems of bees in Long Island with different types of mites. In our school we plan to do some microscopy exercises and it would be nice if we could study some of the bees that were killed by these mites. If you could help us out, please send me a message per e-mail. Thanks in advance, Gottfried Mayer-Kress gmk@ccsr.uiuc.edu From Executive@Executive.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-hk.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.hklink.net!news.asiaonline.net!itekk From: Executive@Executive.com (Executive) Newsgroups: aus.culture.china,aus.culture.gothic,aus.culture.lesbigay,aus.culture.ultimo,fido7.culture,fj.soc.culture,fj.soc.culture.chinese,fnet.culture,nctu.club.culture-service,resif.culture,rpi.culture.indian,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african-american,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.albanian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.argentina,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.assyrian,soc.culture.australia,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.austria,soc.culture.baltic,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.belgium Subject: http://members.tripod.com/~suleman/resume.html Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 13:03:48 GMT Organization: Executive Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4rlo19$hp3@news.asiaonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.85.12.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #1 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:12438 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4814 soc.culture.afghanistan:20349 soc.culture.african:54935 soc.culture.african.american:226173 soc.culture.albanian:4901 soc.culture.arabic:56384 soc.culture.argentina:44493 soc.culture.asean:22912 soc.culture.asian.american:136730 soc.culture.assyrian:6009 soc.culture.australian:59238 soc.culture.austria:26302 soc.culture.baltics:21463 soc.culture.bangladesh:53621 soc.culture.belgium:39375 http://members.tripod.com/~suleman/resume.html From pwestall@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening a colony with queen cells Date: 6 Jul 1996 14:56:26 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rmcsq$2op@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pwestall@aol.com (PWestall) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm sorry you have had little response. From my reading and experience you need to do this "induced supesedure" idea late in the season, just as the main flow is ending. That is last week in July or first wek in August hereabouts (South Staffs). I use masking tape as it is so easy to mould once in place. You appreciate my term in quotes above I assume. Christopher From jerryfost@aol.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jerryfost@aol.com (JerryFost) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged Bees Date: 6 Jul 1996 15:49:30 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4rmg0a$3q0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jerryfost@aol.com (JerryFost) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Want to start a hive, but have been having a problem locating anyone who sells packaged bees this time of year. Evidently, I have gotten started a little late this year to get my hive going. I live in Central Florida area and would appreciate any help finding a good supplier for a three (3) to five (5) pound package with a queen. I can be reached at this site. Thank you. From ajdel@interramp.com Sun Jul 7 14:43:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip107.herndon10.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packaged Bees Date: 6 Jul 1996 21:20:10 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4rmlaa$li9@usenet10.interramp.com> References: <4rmg0a$3q0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.237.107 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:31:12 GMT In article <4rmg0a$3q0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> JerryFost, jerryfost@aol.com writes: >Want to start a hive, but have been having a problem locating anyone who >sells packaged bees this time of year. At this point it would be best to contact a local beekeeper and see if he would be willing to sell you a working hive or split one of his strong hives and give you the split. It's too hot to be shipping bees, especially, I immagine, in central Fla. Good luck. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From cwynn@sawyer.ndak.net Sun Jul 7 14:43:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cfa.org!news From: cwynn@sawyer.ndak.net (Craig Wynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can we get our swarm back? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 02:22:53 GMT Organization: ISPN Lines: 48 Message-ID: <31df193d.129822707@news> References: <4rjljl$9u5@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: srt-42.dialup.ndak.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 5 Jul 1996 18:06:45 GMT, hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) wrote: >Hello, > > Yesterday one of our hives swarmed. We were able to follow them for >about 1/4 mile and then lost them in heavey brush and woods. It is very likely that they have already moved assuming a night has gone by since they swarmed. I'd be more concerned that the hive they swarmed from isn't getting set to issue another swarm! Better be checking your literature on swam control. > I was >wondering how far a swarm might go before they settle down. It all depends on what they decide is suitable to serve has a home. Mind you they quite often make a bad choice. Variables such as weather also can play a role. If it should rain or turn cold they may setttle right down in the limb of a tree or the overhand of a roof. If the weather is not a factor they could take several flights following the route of the greatest number of returning scouts. I think it is generally a one ort two day event at the most. >Most of my >books say not very far or some other unexact thing. I want some kind of >range so I know if it is worth combating devil's club and vine maple to >try and find them. If we do find them could we coax them into hive >bodies by leaving some nearby with drawn comb or do we have to actually >catch them? I think they might have been in a bit of a panic because >about 1/2 hour before they swarmed we had started a fire in our burn >barrel which was near some hive bodies with drawn comb which my husband >bought a few days before and hadn't stored yet. I suspect the bees had >planned to move into these hive bodies and paniced when they encountered >the smoke from the fire. Any ideas? Thanks... > Sonja I'd have a spare hive box ready and set in high place near your hives. You could get lucky and they'd swarm into it. Their are various methods suggested in the literature that reduce the liklyhood of swarms. I'll leave that to you to read up on or for someone else to comment on. I use to use a large funnel made form tin that I'd hold under swarms hanging from branches. I'd snap the branch and funnel them right into a shipping box I had save. If it is possible to get close enough you can study the swam and catch the queen. You can gently probe the swam and listen for a high pitched buzz from her to locate her. I was quite successful catching many a swams in Africa using the above preceeding methods. craig From an563795@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 7 14:43:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Organization: Infinity LTD Distribution: world References: <31d50334.0@news.acadiacom.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #1 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 02:47:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.15 Message-ID: <31df24f2.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 17 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns In article , Dave Black <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> wrote: >In article <4r8lka$3lm@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, hoeger > writes >>Cutting the wing is not swarm control, but it prevent the lost of >>a swarm, dangerous treeclimbing (beekeepers are not monkeys), and >>angry neigbours >> >Good points, except the last ! If shes not clipped they go out and go >away. If she's clipped they go out, they go in. They go out, they go in. >They go out ......... :-) >-- OK. So, since the hive is going to make a new queen anyway (if none are not already on the way), why not locate the queen (surely she will be on the ground near the hive) and remove her from the swarm. They will then have no choice but to stay in the original hive. Am I right in all these assumptions? From an563795@anon.penet.fi Sun Jul 7 14:43:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) Subject: Re: Supplies Organization: Infinity LTD Distribution: world References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #1 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 03:04:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.15 Message-ID: <31df2906.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 12 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns In article , Dave Black wrote: >Not being subscriber to ABJ can any of you suggest someone who can act >as an agent or send me a catalogue so I can buy those natty little items >like JZ's BZ queen cages, by airmail. No, I don't want them by the >'000's, just a few for me and my pals to play with. Any country will do. > Contact the Walter T. Kelley Co. Inc. 3107 Elizabethtown Road. P.O. Box 240 Clarkson, KY phone (502) 242-2012 fax (502) 242-4801 From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sun Jul 7 14:43:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: Bill Henderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Queens' Wings............... Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:28:30 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1996070712283069278@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.09u 10001273 In message <31df24f2.0@news.acadiacom.net> an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) writes: > why not locate the queen (surely she will be on > the ground near the hive) and remove her from the swarm There have been many occasions when I have been present as a swarm has been leaving a hive and sometimes I have managed to pick off the old (marked and clipped) queen. I had to be present at the exact time the queen was leaving. After that - little chance. Once she has left the hive surface she is gone and lost forever oh my darling Clemi......... Remember we are talking about an insect here. How are you going to find that on the ground, even only minutes, after it's started on its crawl away from the hive. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I just had a thought. You could try this out as a rough approximation to the situation. 1. Go into the garden and get yourself a beetle and put a dod of paint on its thorax in the same way as you would mark a queen. 2. Blindfold yourself. 3. Spin round a number of times and through away the beetle. 4. Spin round again. 5. Take off the blindfold and recover your balance. 6. Go find your beetle. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk From sovanc01@homer.louisville.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!news From: "Bruce A. Vance" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Great hive plans. Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:10:24 -0500 Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 14 Message-ID: <31EFC180.5852@homer.louisville.edu> References: <4sh0or$1ki@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sovanc01.remote.louisville.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) To: Francis Miquet CC: sovanc01@homer.louisville.edu Francis Miquet wrote: > > > The March-April '83 issue of Fine Woodworking (pg 86) has a great article > > on hive plans. > > I have these plans if anyone needs them. Also have good plans from > Agriculture Canada. I would like to see these hive plans. How might I obtain them? Fax? Mail? Thanks, Bruce Vance From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.albany.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SUGAR PRICE FIX CASE Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 01:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <9607192122492207@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 26 It's sad to report that ARCHER DANIELS, one of the principal HFC corn syrup producers and purchased by the millions of pounds by many beekeepers in the US to feed their bees is suspected of price-fixing according to a news report on July 18, 1989. Under investigation by the FBI who have concluded that ARCHER DANIELS, Inc, has conspired with others to fix the price and production levels in order "to maintain a cornered world market" in several commodities, including high-fructose corn syrups used by beekeepers and others. Believe it or not a federal judge in Chicago was scheduled to conduct a hearing today, Friday, on whether to approve the $45 million settlement, in which none of the three companies involved will admit or deny any wrongdoing and for sure NO beekeeper will ever see a red cent in refunds in this life. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I am not young enough to know everything anymore From wilkhack@aol.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating an unmarked queen Date: 20 Jul 1996 01:11:46 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4sppqi$mhj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31EE6B5B.167EB0E7@durham.ac.uk> Reply-To: wilkhack@aol.com (Wilkhack) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Since I've been raising my own queens (I don't mark them) have had the same problem. I've also found that unless you are going to requeen, there is really no real reson to find her. If you have a good pattern of new eggs and your brood nest is in good shape you can rest assured that she is doing her job. If you need to requeen or move you queen for some reason, then finding her is quite tedious. I raised this problem with an old beekeeper friend of mine. He said, "What, are ya blind? It's like tryin' to find a cow in a sheep herd." Well, I haven't found it that easy. I found comfort in the fact that there are few situations in which I find it necessary to find her. Write me back if you have any more specific questions. I could bore you with more answers but maybe this is enough. Goodluck, Dave From letaylor@why.net Sat Aug 3 10:29:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news2.whytel.com!usenet From: Lenny Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:44:04 -0500 Organization: Why? Network (817) 795-1765 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31F06414.3C53@why.net> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> Reply-To: letaylor@why.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.max1.dal.why.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) > What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the > last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to > bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My > other 3 colonies aren't this way. > > I would appreciate an opinion from anyone with lots of experiance. > > Thanks, > Russ > rolsen@plains.net It is possible to develop an allergic reaction to the stings. Responses can range right up to life-threatening. You didn't mention what part of the country you live in. (Africanized bees in your area?) More info please. Take care. -- Many people surf the net; only a select few make the waves. From rolsen@plains.net Sat Aug 3 10:29:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!coopnews.coop.net!news.verinet.com!usenet From: rolsen@plains.net (Russ Olsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:58:55 GMT Organization: Verinet Communications Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.168.65.21 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I first got into beekeeping a little over a year ago, needless to say I really like it. I've learned a lot about bees and my self. I started out with 3 hives last year, two did great the third one didn't. Of the two extremely stong hives, one has always been more aggressive, and short tempered. (if you know what I mean) They just don't like me getting into the hive for more than about 10 minutes or so. A week ago I was checking up on things when this hive decided they'd had enough, and came after me. Eight of them succeded in finding me through my suit, and veil. Needless to say I closed up the hive as quickly as possible and left them alone. Another couple of dozen took over 30 minutes calm down and leave me alone. I had the usual minor swelling, redness, stiffness, itching with all the stings. 7 days later, ( just 2 days ago) I was again checking up on the hives, (I had requeened and wanted to see if they were out), once again this hot hive decided enough was enough after about 10 minutes. This time they found my ankles and quickly discovered that they could sting through my socks. Within about 20 seconds I had 10 stings on my ankles. So I closed up the hive again and left the area. Once again several dozen followed me and my wife for several hundred yards as we walked away, hoping they'd 'chill out' and leave finally about 30 minutes later we were able to take off the veils and suits and go home. This time my stings took on an entirely different form. In about 2 hours I had several places all over my body that were covered in hives. Just like a bad rash. My wife could watch them form and grow. In 3 hours my bottom lip begain to swell up. I took 3 asprin and 2 Benadryls and went to bed. The next morning, I looked like someone had worked me over with a basball bat. My eyes were swelled shut, my bottom lip was so big that I couldn't close my mouth all the way. My tounge was swelling up, my right hand was so swelled up that I couldn't grab a glass of water. My body was covered in hives. My wife was deeply concerned, and my kids were scared to death. I went to the local Clinic and the doctor prescribed a steroid shot and a Benadryl shot. Then ordered me to bed, and also told me I'd have to give up the bees. Needless to say, I'm more than disappointed. What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My other 3 colonies aren't this way. I would appreciate an opinion from anyone with lots of experiance. Thanks, Russ rolsen@plains.net From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 20 Jul 1996 12:32:52 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <836945355.14858@uunet.uu.net> <837783452.19865@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:192853 alt.agriculture.fruit:2912 alt.agriculture.misc:5584 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13651 rec.gardens:141936 sci.agriculture:12945 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4966 In article <837783452.19865@uunet.uu.net>, Dave Cornejo wrote: > LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) > unmoderated group sci.agriculture.fruit > >Newsgroups line: >sci.agriculture.fruit Agricultural techniques for fruit, berries & nuts. > >Proponent: Joel Clark >Votetaker: Dave Cornejo > >RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.fruit Although this group proposal has good intentions and a good topic, not enough thought has gone into the charter and the discussion of the group was scant, at best. The proponent never entered the discussion, and suggestions were not acknowledged. For example: what is the definition of fruit? Are both tomatoes and apples (both botanically fruit) appropriate in this group's discussion? Seemingly minute, this is but one of many loose ends that this proposal never addressed. For this group to be in the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, more work is necessary in planning the charter and more input, albeit discussion, is needed. I recommend a NO vote. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:38:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4spdct$etq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj1-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 8:39:41 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 rolsen@plains.net (Russ Olsen) wrote: >What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the >last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to >bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My >other 3 colonies aren't this way. >I would appreciate an opinion from anyone with lots of experiance. >Thanks, >Russ >rolsen@plains.net Russ: Don't give up the bees. I, too, am allergic to bee stings. I've worked with my allergist to minimize the problem. First, I take a prescription anti-histamine (Seldane) about an hour before I'm going to work with my bees. Taking the benadryl AFTER the stings and the allergic reaction set in doesn't help too much. Second, every spring, I get a new prescription filled for a self-administering shot of Epinephrine, just in case a localized reaction (the hives, the swelling) turned into anaphalactic (sp?) shock. I've never had to use it. My daughter always makes sure to ask me if I've got it with me when I'm heading out to the bees--she was pretty frightened by the way I looked after some of the stings I got early on. If I do get stung, I make sure to "flick" the stinger(s) out with a fingernail as soon as possible. (Don't pinch them between two fingers to pull them out, you're only pumping more venom into your body that way.) I also high tail it away from the hives as soon as I've been stung. A scent is released when a bee stings that incites the other guard bees to attack also--I don't like to give them that chance. I smoke the spot I was stung to mask the smell before returning to the hive. Also, I'd either requeen that bad-tempered hive, or go into it as little as humanly possible. By all means, though, go see an allergist; and wear heavier socks! Janet From cud@adobe.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!wizard.pn.com!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!chronicle.mv.us.adobe.com!enquirer.mv.us.adobe.com!news From: Chris Despopoulos Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ignorant person with Bees in his wall... Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:25:40 +0000 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 45 Message-ID: <31EE4964.7D0F@adobe.com> References: <837357114.28389.1@cisbb37.demon.co.uk> <4sbhc2$192@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lrport_19.mv.us.adobe.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) What shall I do? I certainly don't want to kill off a hive of bees. I notice there is a colony of what I think are bees coming and going from a hole where the wall meets the roof of my apartment. At least I think they are bees, but they're high enough that I can't tell by looking. (Are there some behavioral cues I might be able to use to identify these critters? Could they be hornets?) I have a newborn child, and I am concerned that the bees might come through to the inside of our bedroom. For example, if a hive can deteriorate the construction of the wall, then they might all spill into our room, mad as, well... hornets, I guess. I know there are FAQs out there, but a shallow perusal didn't turn up any entries like "What to do if you find a hive of bees in the wall of your apartment." So I'm sending out this message in a bottle. Can the structure of the wall be damaged by a hive of bees? How can I tell the difference between bees and hornets? If hornets, is there any reason NOT to exterminate? If bees, how safe are my children, should I decide not to exterminate? Note that I am aware of a shortage of bees due to mites and a virus of some kind. This being an uncontrolled hive, am I just spreading pestilence should I leave it alone? Please respond via e-mail... My address is cud@adobe.com Thank very much for your patience with an obvious outsider. I look forward to being sufficiently armed that I make informed decisions concerning this situation. Chris Despopoulos From kkachnow@keanefed.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.cais.net!ari.ari.net!news-admin From: Ken K Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lop-sided hive Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:21:52 -0400 Organization: ARInternet, Corp. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <31F115B0.2BFA@keanefed.com> References: <31EAFA32.3273@keanefed.com> <4shau2$76d@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kfs-18.ari.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Bill Fernihough wrote: > > You probably put the top super on too soon. You should only use one > super until most of the frames are being used by the bees, then when > say, 8 out of 10 of the frames are in use, put on another super. Good > practice all the way through unless there is a honey flow on, and you > have lots of bees. > Bees need it warm, heat rises, so using supers above existing ones is a > natural effect. But when you have forced them to spread out, there are > more bees, more heat, and both boxes will be evenly built. Thanks for the information. I put both supers on when I hived the package. I will know better next time. Next question. Is the lop-sided hive going to have a problem surviving the winter here in Maryland and is there anything I can/should do about it? Thanks, Ken From snoflo@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Kathy Weise Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor wanted Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:19:17 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 2 Message-ID: <31F13135.318@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfw-tx18-01.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jul 20 10:21:19 AM PDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) We are looking for an inexpensive extractor. Even a two frame hand crank would work. If someone has a used one they'd like to sell, let me know. From gkendall@shell.wco.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hsno.wco.com!news.wco.com!shell!gkendall From: gkendall@shell.wco.com (Greg Kendall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggest a good beekeeping book Date: 20 Jul 1996 19:33:01 GMT Organization: West Coast Online, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4src9d$iv8@news.wco.com> References: <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com "Begin To Keep Bees" by Franklin Carrier. Get it from Carrier's Beekeeping Supplies, 601 S. Baywood Ave, San Jose, CA 95128 408/296-6100. It is the best I've ever read. In article <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> Ken K writes: >Can anyone suggest a good beekeeping book for a novice? > >Thanks, > >Ken k From Karel.Bokhorst@tip.nl Sat Aug 3 10:29:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!surfnet.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.tip.nl!news From: Karel.Bokhorst@tip.nl (Karel Bokhorst) Subject: RE: dutch newsgroup X-Nntp-Posting-Host: almere23.pop.tip.nl Message-ID: <7288618677@news.tip.nl> Sender: news@tip.nl (The News User) Organization: tip.nl X-Newsreader: NewsAgent version 1.0.0 References: <31EFAE53.1B86@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:49:29 GMT Lines: 2 natuurlijk, karel.bokhorst@tip.nl From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!op.net!netaxs.com!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Western Bee Supplies Inc. Date: 21 Jul 1996 03:23:17 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ss7r5$ago@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Last week I ordered some supplies from Western Bee Supplies Inc. I have to pass on there phone number and address, because I was very impressed with their service and prices. Western Bee Supplies, Inc. PO Box 190 Polson, MT 59860 (800)548-8440 -- Out of state order line (406)883-2918 -- In state and Canada (406)883-4336 -- Fax I am not affliated with them in any way other than a customer, but I'd appreciate it if you'd tell them I sent you. Thanks, Paul From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!op.net!netaxs.com!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Miller Wood Products???? Date: 21 Jul 1996 03:28:50 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ss85i$ago@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-19.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I'm planning on buying a bunch of new equipment for the coming 1997 honey season. Does anyone have any experiece with the product quality available >from Miller Wood Products? Please let me know: The grade you ordered What defects you experienced The quality of the customer service. I appreciate all responses. Thanks, Paul From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Aug 3 10:29:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ATTN: CANADIANS, PLEASE READ - FORMIC ACID ? Date: 21 Jul 1996 05:02:16 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line215.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net X-URL: news:4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net You might want to contact Hohann Popodi at hpopodi@awinc.com who sells a device for applying formic acid.I have just order three of them. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Aug 3 10:29:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ATTN: CANADIANS, PLEASE READ - FORMIC ACID ? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 14:56:56 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4stggp$b4t@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp31.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net>, Bill Fernihough wrote: >You might want to contact Hohann Popodi at hpopodi@awinc.com who sells a >device for applying formic acid.I have just order three of them. There are many simple and inexpensive methods of applying formic acid that are approved and recommended by various reputable Canadian researchers and experts and have been widely used in both commecial and hobbyist practice over several years. So far, I do not believe that the device mentioned above has been -- as of yet -- evaluated and approved by any provincial authority. (Please correct me if I am wrong.) There have been some objections to some claims that have been made by the promoter and also the fact that it uses *concentrated* formic, rather than the more dilute form that has come to be accepted as more safe for humans and bees and which -- according to my understanding --is the only legal form for use on bees in Canada. The most accepted current Canadian commercial practice is to use meat tray soakers called 'Mite Wipes (r)', which are identical -- as far as I can see -- to the ones you can get from your local butcher and which commercial producers buy by the case from the local paper goods wholesaler. The various methods of appying formic that are recommended in Canada have been discussed in detail on BEE-L. the bee list which can be reached at BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. (To subscribe, send a message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU saying only Subscribe Your Name). Once subscribed, you can search the logs at the listserv. Without subscribing, you can find the older logs at the website in my signature (below). I'm sorry, but I can't recall the exact month of the discussion. I believe it was this spring. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From NBNF29A@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NBNF29A@prodigy.com (Elizabeth Tubbs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help identify please Date: 21 Jul 1996 15:05:44 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Yesterday while mowing field my husband was attacked and stung a lot by the bees that we can not identify . He did not disturb them but only went by where they were and he did not know where they were till after this happened , well any way they built their nest so to speak in a bluebird house and the only thing in there were thes corn puff things maybe they were eggs and these grubs and one very large grub, if it was a future queen it was huge. I know what hornets look like and yellow jackets and these bees were not them we are in Maryland , USA and could they be the African I had not heard about them in the area yet. they look like a honey bee but colored like a bumble bee but they were not a bumble bee either any help appreciated we did keep some in a plastic bag in the freezer. Elizabeth From ubatuba@digicolor.lognet.it Sat Aug 3 10:29:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!usenet From: Marco Pellini Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: holstein bulls Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:25:41 +0200 Organization: student Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31F26815.361C@digicolor.lognet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.184.21.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) I need information about the following bulls: Hannoverhill starbuck Pen-col Potential Rusty Cyppress-Hill Laban To-Mar Blackstar and their sons: Balance Laboe Lasso Rudi Porter Belt Thank you , MARCO From bbirkey@interaccess.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: holstein bulls Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:51:17 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31F27C25.20F2@interaccess.com> References: <31F26815.361C@digicolor.lognet.it> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d114.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Marco Pellini Marco Pellini wrote: > > I need information about the following bulls: > Hannoverhill starbuck > Pen-col Potential > Rusty > Cyppress-Hill Laban > To-Mar Blackstar > > and their sons: > Balance > Laboe > Lasso > Rudi > Porter > Belt > > Thank you , > MARCO Marco - Why are you posting this in a beekeeping newsgroup? This group is about beekeeping not beefkeeping! -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com From beeman@netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!uchinews!cbgw2.att.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (beeman at esoteric services) Subject: Re: Miller Wood Products???? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4ss85i$ago@nadine.teleport.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:34:55 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: beeman@netcom12.netcom.com Paul Cauthorn (pbc@teleport.com) wrote: : I'm planning on buying a bunch of new equipment for the coming 1997 honey : season. Does anyone have any experiece with the product quality available : from Miller Wood Products? : Please let me know: : The grade you ordered : What defects you experienced : The quality of the customer service. : I appreciate all responses. : Thanks, : Paul My first and only order to miller was for about$600.oo ( about 1 pallet ) it was ordered in plenty of time for spring honey flow. then their recommended trucking company decided to go on strike, so I thought I'd be patient. then the trucking co. lost my load for a while (CF) by the time I received my hive bodies it was too late for spring. When the pallet was finally received and opened, I discovered that the most of the hives had no handles cut into them (at the time I thought: no big deal I was just happy to have my hives) then I discovered that the rabbit on the hives was cut too short, and that none of the frames (also ordered from miller) would fit. letters and phone calls to miller were nothing more than a let down, they offered to send cleats for the handles, but I would have to pay the freight to send them back for re-cutting of the rabbits, (almost $200.00 there and back) if the rabbits were cut any deeper it would leave little more than an 1\8 inch sidewall (not much tolerance for rotting corners) to make a long story short, I wrote it off as a loss and would not do business with them again. the thing that burns me up is that they still have the nerve to send me catalogs. I won't be ordering any spotted owl grade kindeling from Oregon any time soon. ----beeman From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggest a good beekeeping book Date: 21 Jul 1996 22:29:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4sub0j$mr0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> <4src9d$iv8@news.wco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf >In article <31EAF246.1983@keanefed.com> Ken K writes: >>Can anyone suggest a good beekeeping book for a novice? The best one, and the most useful for all beekeeping applications is: _The Beekeepers Handbook_, 1986. Sammataro, Diana, and Avitabile, Alphonse, Macmillan, New York, ISBN:0-02-081410-0. This book is out of print, but a new edition is due out soon. Most libraries have it though. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:29:37 EDT 1996 Article: 4982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is swarming bad? Date: 15 Jul 1996 16:33:00 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 62 Message-ID: <4sdrrs$o8i@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4sd9kt$kdg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin035.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, Swarming is not bad. But it makes a lot of work, trouble, makes your hives weak, and costs honey. And it is not the way of responsible beekeeping for many reasons. Problem 1: I don´t know how the situation is in your country. In Germany swarms have the problem to find suitable cavities to built up a stable society and give them the chance to hibernate successfully. Most swarms will die in fall and winter because they didn´t found a good, save and warm homeplace. Others are not welcome at the places they found by the people who live there. They are often killed by crob-busters. Result: I think a good beekeeper is responsible for his bees, their health, and their chance to survive! A swarm has no chance. Problem 2: Wild honeybee collonies are treatened by the Varroa mite like cultivated collonies. A good beekeeper is able to control the number of mites in a hive and make sure that his collonies survive with the mites. Wild collonies wiped out after 2 or 3 years by the Varroa. Result: See above! Problem 3: Wild honeybees are not under control in aspects of Varroa They are hotspots for reinvasion of mites (and other diseases) in health collonies, especially if they become weak and victims of stronger collonies (bees like to steal honey from other collonies, and they bring the honey, mites and other deseases to their own hive). Result: Wild bees may cause trouble for beekeepers nearby by Varroa etc.. Problem 4: Queen rearing. In areas with a dense population (like in Germany) it is important to have peacefull bees. Beekeepers select their best, calm hives for queen reproduction. But every queen is mated by several drones (males) and this is out of direct control (eccept artif. mating by the beekeeper). The only chance is a population with good attitudes for mating (huge number of good drones) of good queens, basic for good hives. Result: Wild bees can make trouble because there is no selection in important points. Problem 5: Varroa resistant bees. This may a good view on wild bees. Here the selsction supports collonies with good Varroa tolerance, because nobody help them to fight the mites. Our chance to get a varroa resistance bee in future? Final Result: I think that intentional swarming to increase the number of wild honeybees is not the way of responsible, professional beekeeping for many reasons. If you are only interested in pollination, you should think about cultivation of bumblebees, this means to give them the chance to start a society in spring by supporting the queens with breeding locations, or help the solitary bees to breed. This is still a way to pollinate cultures in glass houses (in the Netherlands for example). With best regards ulli hoeger From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:29:38 EDT 1996 Article: 4983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and artifical light (fluorescent tubes) Date: 18 Jul 1996 17:14:53 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4slred$gu3@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4sj003$3c3@Trex.IenD.wau.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin014.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: Anton.deSnaijer@studenten.tbpt.wau.nl Hi, Some years ago I participate in a university course of bee-science at the institute for bee research of our university. This event took place in winter, and we worked in a free-fly room. If I remember right, they use fluorescent tubes (we call such light sources Neon-tubes in Germany) to illuminate the room. But I think they had some electronics to compensate the 50 Hz of the AC power-net. The walls and the ceiling of these room were coated with alu-foil (the stuff is also used to keep food fresh or on barbecues). The light in this room had a gentle blue colour. I don´t remember the reasons for this, but you may ask the people of these institute. I will send you e-mail addresses of them. Good luck Ulli Hoeger From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:29:40 EDT 1996 Article: 4984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:04:03 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7HXk9DADx38xEwLW@tfbplc.co.uk> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com>, Russ Olsen writes > >What I want to know is, with this many stings in 7 to 8 days was the >last reaction normal?? Or, have I really developed a bad reaction to >bee stings? Does this one 'hot' colony of mine, sound unusuall?? My >other 3 colonies aren't this way. > You've had some good advice from others in the group about your reaction, ie. yes it's unusual, it could be a drug interaction or that you're becoming sensitive and that it can be/should be treated. I'm told you need 10 to 15 stings a year before you become tolerant, but you need professional advice not more stings ! About the colony though. There are many reasons why some bees are more 'defensive' than others, some you will be able to discount because your other colonies ( in the same apiary presumably) are OK. One you may not have considered is the state of the boxes, by which I mean are they bee- tight. I have seen colonies suddenly become hot because the roof and supers weren't on right and they had to defend lots of larger entrances. Really nasty ones are unusual, and far outnumbered by really nasty beekeepers. To try and correct the problem I would requeen straight away ( :-) pint of petrol also works !). Keeping a short tempered colony might be heroic but is not fun. The most attractive way, but only if you have a nectar flow, is to move in a small good colony (small entrance) and put it next door. A day or so later, in the middle of the day, move the bad lot away. The flyers will unite onto your new queen leaving the colony reduced and with just young bees. Then go in, find and destroy the other queen and unite them on as well. This way you don't have to handle the bad temper. If you don't have a flow you need another plan. However you decide to requeen, as a precaution cage your new queen and delay her release untill after uniting and things have calmed down. They're expensive after all. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From nobody@ncsu.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:41 EDT 1996 Article: 4985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel-eecis!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: MAIN Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CANADIAN bees & formic acid Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:58:35 -0400 Organization: NCS Lines: 139 Message-ID: <31F2A80B.25CE@ncsu.edu> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rm319.asci.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) CC: nobody@.ncsu.edu > > Subject: FORMIC ACID > ================== I posted this to alt.sustainable.agriculture yesterday. I think ya'll may find this interesting/informative. GML wrote: > > There has been a lot of news about the demise of wild bees and the > decimation of domestic hives. Some say that there is no real problem, > merely a temporary "shortage" and that this is all a political > smokescreen by the beekepers association because Uncle Sugar is cutting > funding everywhere. Others say that "we" are in big trouble and that a > minimum of 200 species of plants, shrubs and trees will be dying or > extinct within two years. > I'm strictly an amateur, not even a farmer. Could someone with > credentials cut through the B.S. and tell me what is going on? I > apologize if this is "old news". ================== The decline of American / European honeybees is not old news. I agree w/ "Pollinator" that pesticide application is by far a larger over-all threat, but the mite infestation going right now is a very serious short-term threat. The only saving grace for the U.S. is that once the mite infestation blows over on this continent, we will one day be able to purchase new bees & restock from the rest of the world ... but it looks like it will be strictly at the expense of beekeepers. Your assessment of Uncle Sugar is pretty much on the mark ... there is too much if that attitude in D.C. that refuses to acknowledge we are facing very serious environmental problems that have never existed before, but since they don't have experience (or scientific edjukashun), obviously there is no need to fix anything ... it will just continue to run "the way it always has, back in the good old days." Anyway, here's a news article off the 'Net today I think all beekeepers should be aware of : =================================== For bees, Canada is a land of milk and honey compared to U.S. Copyright (c) 1996 Nando.net, Copyright (c) 1996 Toronto Globe and Mail (Jul 20, 1996 00:00 a.m. EDT) -- It's been a terrible year for honeybees in the United States, with cold and disease wiping out more than 80 percent of hives in some northeastern states, but Canada seems to be the bee's version of a peaceable kingdom. Even with winter conditions in many parts of the country similar to those in the United States, hive deaths in Canada are estimated by Gard Otis, a professor of apiculture at the University of Guelph, to be no more than one-third of those south of the border -- a bad year in Canada but not as bad as it might have been. There are three reasons for Canada's relatively bee-healthy status. The first is a ban on the import of honeybees from the United States, which began 10 years ago when outbreaks of the European tracheal mite and then the varroa mite were first identified. The tracheal mite takes up residence in the bees' breathing tubes, sucks up fluids and in so doing restricts oxygen intake. Affected bees are particularly susceptible to early death during the winter when they try to increase their metabolic rate in order to heat their hives. The varroa mites colonize bee larvae and later older bees. Viruses the mites carry produce birth defects -- for example, no wings or legs -- in the larvae. Left untreated, the mites can kill a hive in about a year. The Canadian quarantine means that while most bees in the United States are infected, Otis estimated that fewer than half of Canadian hives are afflicted with the deadly mites. Before the ban there was free movement across the border by beekeepers bringing hives in to pollinate crops, as well as a regular trade in queen bees raised in the U.S. South. Although the ban has slowed the mite infection rate, wild bees have spread the parasites into Canada. A second reason Canadian bees fared better has to do with mite treatments available in Canada that can't be used in the United States. In particular, formic acid, the substance that gives a crushed ant its peculiarly sharp smell, can be used in Canadian hives. Research has shown that when it is imbedded into a strip and put in a hive, it will kill mites but not bees. Douglas McRory, the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture's provincial apiarist, said Canadian research indicates that formic acid can reduce mite infestations by 95 percent, bringing mite populations to levels low enough that they don't have a significant effect on honey production. "If we don't treat the bees, we won't have bees," McRory said. One stumbling block Canadian beekeepers have surmounted is that formic acid in too high a concentration acts as an alarm pheromone. Agitated bees respond by mobbing and killing their queens. However, in lower dosages, formic acid kills only mites. Despite formic acid's effectiveness, and even though it's a natural substance found at low levels in honey, the treatment hasn't passed U.S. regulatory muster. "It's really something for us to be ahead of the Americans," McRory said. There are mite-killing pesticides on the U.S. market, but there's some indication that the mites are developing a resistance to them. Early evidence suggests resistance will not be a problem with formic acid because above a certain dose it kills all mites. The final piece in the relatively rosy Canadian part of the puzzle is the breeding of mite-resistant bees. From bees originally imported from Buckfast Abbey in England, Medhat Nasr and his associates at the Ontario Beekeepers Association have bred a strain that combines resistance to the tracheal mite with an ability to tolerate Canadian winters. Recent studies suggest that no mites, or only a few, develop in colonies of the Buckfast Ontario bees. The bee's resistance is related to the mite's life cycle. It infects bees in the first five days of their lives, using smell cues to identify potential targets. "What we have developed is bees that, while they are still young, smell like an older bee," Nasr said. A field trial that pitted 32 Buckfast Ontario hives against eight unprotected hives showed that mites killed only one of the Buckfast hives compared with six of the others. The specially bred bees are being sold in parts of Ontario. A breeding program is also under way at the University of Guelph in another effort to come up with a bee resistant to the varroa mite. One promising line of research is an attempt to breed bees for hygienic behavior -- bees that recognize when larvae have been infected and in response take them out of the hive and destroy them. Combining both mite-resistant genetic characteristics in a single bee "would be the Holy Grail," McRory said. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:42 EDT 1996 Article: 4986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!paladin.american.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grooming behavior Date: 22 Jul 1996 18:32:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4t0hf8$ot0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Paul Petty wrote: >While inspecting one of my hives yesterday, I saw something I've never noticed >before. On the landing board were a couple of bees. One seemed to be >grooming the other. Hi. I have observed this too. In observation hives as well--inside. Keep an eye out on this hive--maybe the grooming behavior is a *positive* sign, that these bees are grooming each other for varroa mites? Who knows. I don't think there is anything wrong with a hive showing this, no cause for alarm. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:43 EDT 1996 Article: 4987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!usenet From: Jim Moore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestions Anyone? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:13:50 -0400 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <31F3B6CE.237C@aiag.enet.dec.com> References: <4sorpi$u1r@cactus.verinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.ogo.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) To: Russ Olsen CC: Jim Moore First be careful and sure you are not developing an allergic reaction as the next time it could be much worse. Secondly, get an epi-pen asap and have it handy and know how to use it. Third, make sure until you are sure you are not allergic to have someone with you, when dealing with the bees, in case you get stung and you go into shock. One possible explanation for a cranky hive is that it is being antagonized by some varmint (skunk, opossum, racoon, bear). Is it on the end of a group? The last hive in a line is usually the target of an animal. Have you noticed the grass around the hive being flattened? Are there scratches on the hive or landing board? I had a hive that was being bothered by a possum and it had a very cranky disposition. It took a couple of weeks to become less so after deterring the possum with some set mouse traps wired to the groud around the hives. Good luck and be careful. From paulp@ims.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:44 EDT 1996 Article: 4988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help identify please Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:55:24 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NBNF29A@prodigy.com (Elizabeth Tubbs) writes: >Yesterday while mowing field my husband was attacked and stung a lot by >the bees that we can not identify . He did not disturb them but only went >by where they were and he did not know where they were till after this >happened , well any way they built their nest so to speak in a bluebird >house and the only thing in there were thes corn puff things maybe they >were eggs and these grubs and one very large grub, if it was a future >queen it was huge. >I know what hornets look like and yellow jackets and these bees were not >them we are in Maryland , USA and could they be the African I had not >heard about them in the area yet. >they look like a honey bee but colored like a bumble bee but they were >not a bumble bee either any help appreciated we did keep some in a >plastic bag in the freezer. >Elizabeth Your description of the nest sounds like bumblebees. The inside of the nest is just a messy looking pile of egg cases (to someone used to the orderliness of honeybees). I'm not an expert at identifying the bees, (there are lots of different kinds), but they do tend to be quite fuzzy looking. Paul From paulp@ims.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:46 EDT 1996 Article: 4989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grooming behavior Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:12:59 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] While inspecting one of my hives yesterday, I saw something I've never noticed before. On the landing board were a couple of bees. One seemed to be grooming the other. She was using her mouth parts to do something to the little patch of fuzz underneath the wing attachment. She would work on one side for a while and then go to the other side. The one being groomed was wandering around a little bit but didn't seem to be trying to go anywhere. Other bees coming and going ignored these two. After a couple of minutes they went back inside the hive. I didn't notice anything else unusual at this hive. This was a swarm I hived a few weeks ago and this was the first time I've checked them since then. Is this a sign of some problem in the hive? Thanks, Paul From joel@ssd.intel.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:47 EDT 1996 Article: 4990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!hookup!nctuccca.edu.tw!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!itnews.sc.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!news.co.intel.com!joel From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 22 Jul 1996 20:17:11 GMT Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4t0nk7$ha1@news.co.intel.com> References: <836945355.14858@uunet.uu.net> <837783452.19865@uunet.uu.net> <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sail.co.intel.com Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:193577 alt.agriculture.fruit:2919 alt.agriculture.misc:5609 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13690 rec.gardens:142379 sci.agriculture:13010 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4990 In article <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >> LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) >> unmoderated group sci.agriculture.fruit >>Proponent: Joel Clark >>RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.fruit > >Although this group proposal has good intentions and a good topic, not >enough thought has gone into the charter and the discussion of the group >was scant, at best. The proponent never entered the discussion, and suggestions >were not acknowledged. > >For example: what is the definition of fruit? Are both tomatoes and >apples (both botanically fruit) appropriate in this group's discussion? > >Adam Finkelstein As proponent I did respond to several discussion items and incorporated a couple of suggested changes into the Charter. As to whether or not apples and tomatoes are appropriate subjects, I would much rather see discussion of growing tomatoes or anything else than the flood of HOT SEX and MAKE MONEY FAST posts we are currently subject to in alt.agriculture.fruit. joel clark From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:29:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites on bees Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:58:06 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31E398CD.60A3@outwest.minden.nv.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <31E398CD.60A3@outwest.minden.nv.us>, Jeff Burton writes >Is there any way to get rid of mites on my honey bees? the infestation Is >low now but i dont want to lose thes bees. they are adapted to the >enviroment and would be hard to replace. It depends what mites they are.In the UK we have Braula & Varroa. the former are harmless but the latter will completely detroy the bees in the hive. With these you can use Bavarol or Apistan. There are are other methods of control but they are time comsuming to do and in some cases not as reliable. So you need to know which mites you have. Gwent Beekeepers Association South Wales UK -- Graham Loveridge From NBNF29A@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NBNF29A@prodigy.com (Elizabeth Tubbs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help identify please Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:24:49 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4t0rj1$lhc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> References: <4sth08$107a@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 They were indeed a type of bumble bee I had no idea ther were more than one type, I took them to the Govt. Farm and the bee dept. identified them for me and said they hate noise, we will stay clear of them in the future. Thanks for your information I believe he said only the females sting , wouldn't you figure us women cause all the trouble. Elizabeth From VKKG74B@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: VKKG74B@prodigy.com (Crispin Foster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Western Bee Supplies Inc. Date: 22 Jul 1996 23:47:49 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4t13v5$jve@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> References: <4ss7r5$ago@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I called WBS 800 number and got no reply. Is this # correct? Crispin Foster From VKKG74B@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: VKKG74B@prodigy.com (Crispin Foster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: dutch newsgroup Date: 23 Jul 1996 00:01:43 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4t14p7$db4@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> References: <31efae53.1b86@xs4all.nl> <7288618677@news.tip.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 As u plan om n nuusgroep te stig, onthou tog die Afrikaans sprekende byeboere in Suid Afrika. Van hulle sal miskien belang stel om deel te neem. Suid Afrika het twee soorte heunig bye naamlik Apis mellifera capensis (Kaapse heuningby) en A m adansoni ( Afrikane heuningby). Daar is n baaie aktiewe byeboerdery in hierdie land. U kan die nuusgroep bekend stel deur middel van die South African Bee Journal posbus 41 Modderfontein 1645, Suid Afrika. Groete, Crispin Foster From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Aug 3 10:29:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ATTN: CANADIANS, PLEASE READ - FORMIC ACID ? Date: 23 Jul 1996 04:34:56 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4t1kpg$mtc@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net> <4stggp$b4t@hp.cuug.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: line210.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: dicka@cuug.ab.ca X-URL: news:4stggp$b4t@hp.cuug.ab.ca Allan brings up some good points, and I can't dispute any of them. The device which was mentioned above was described in the American Bee Journal briefly, and appeared as an alternate suggestion to the wipes etc described above. I cannot give a testimonial on them as I haven't even seen them, but the suggestion that they control the release of Formic Acid is a good one. The wipes that are used release it very fast, and its over and gone till the next dose. Anyway, I'll let you know what I think when these things arrive. From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!op.net!netaxs.com!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Western Bee Supplies Inc. Date: 23 Jul 1996 05:18:23 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4t1nav$f7m@nadine.teleport.com> References: <4ss7r5$ago@nadine.teleport.com> <4t13v5$jve@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-07.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: VKKG74B@prodigy.com VKKG74B@prodigy.com (Crispin Foster) wrote: >I called WBS 800 number and got no reply. Is this # correct? >Crispin Foster > That's the number on their catalog. Do you happen to live in MT or Canada? Maybe they were closed the day or hour you called? Paul From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!op.net!netaxs.com!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: 23 Jul 1996 05:31:02 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4t1o2m$fh9@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-07.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, My neighbor has a colony of Bumblebees under the floor of a shed he is tearing down. I know these questions have been asked before in this group, but I'll ask them again. What is a good way of capturing the colony and perhaps overwintering it? Could I dig it up and put it in a nuc? Do bumblebees keep a colony over the winter or does the queen just hibernate? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Aug 3 10:29:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!nntp.uac.net!usenet.logical.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CALIF BEE TIMES (review) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 00:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9607191751272206@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 91 __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | I LOVE MY HONEY, I love my honey, and I eat some | | every day!! Maybe less now cause we are selling | | it as fast as we can make it.... | | | | \ _ / The OLd Drone knows it all cause he | | /O O \ _ is a 35 year member z z | | \~~~ / // \ of the CSBA! z z | | /--\// )) z z | | ()==/()== \__./ B z z z z z | | ()=( ()= ) z z | | \____/ | | |||| To join the CSBA as a friend or | | (/ \) hobby beekeeper send $25.00 to: | | CALIFORNIA STATE BEEKEEPERS ASSOC. | | 1518 Paradise Lane | | Los Banos, CA 93635 | |____________________________________________________________| : : \___________________________________________________________/ REVIEW of the Summer Edition of the "California Bee Times", the membership magazine of the CSBA. Editor Less Ferguson, 16 pages. Must of this issue is devoted to what beekeepers are doing for themselves by funding bee research projects around the country, and contains a reprint on the antibiotic TYLOSIN an antibiotic.. CSBA members which include beekeepers from all over the country and the world of beekeeping have always supported bee research with more then just words. This last year they sent $10,000.00 supporting four research proposals at Penn State, Cornell, U. of Minnesota, and Ohia State. A remarkable effort considering the bee association is just getting over the total embezzlement of its life saving by a former treasurer, who was found guilty and has paid for the crime, but will never return the $70-$80K she ripped off.. Reports are given on several beekeeping research projects for the 94-95 season. And a full reprint on the Lab and Field Studies on the Effects of the Antibiotic TYLOSIN on Honey Bee Development and the Prevention of American Foulbrood. The story of TYLOSIN and the beekeeper who most of the time alone, through personal will power, political force, and sometime his own money got this important research work to the point it is today is not unique in the politics of farm chemicals, and one that I won't repeat here as not to embarrass those who should be embarrassed, and to protect the book and movie rights if Brian Ferguson ever decides to write one if this seemingly never ending story ever is finished. TYLOSIN is not a new antibiotic and not without use in animal health preparations, and is NOT registered for use in or on bee's or their hives. But it is a chemical that could be used if it was needed and could be registered to replace the use of TERRAMYCIN, at a cost that could be comparable for beekeeper because only half as much needs to be used. Research has shown again that 100 mg or more of TYLOSIN is adequate to eliminate American foulbrood. All of this was news in the early 70's when it was demonstrated by Hitchcock that TYLOSIN was superior to sulfathiazol, and other work in the late 70's shown it to be better then TERRAMYCIN. The question that is not answered and what Brian and other beekeeper has been asking from day one and working on, "is when will it (TYLOSIN) be registered" and recommended for use to control AFB and maybe other little things not looked at in this research project. I don't know the answer, but it been many years, and many thousands of dollars of beekeeper money and we still are without this almost natural chemical that is derived from a natural soil antibiotic found first in Thailand. Anyway this issue of the "BEE Times" is worth the cost of a membership if any of you are interested. ttul, OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:29:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 23 Jul 1996 11:14:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4t2c68$gqq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <836945355.14858@uunet.uu.net> <837783452.19865@uunet.uu.net> <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <4t0nk7$ha1@news.co.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:193819 alt.agriculture.fruit:2924 alt.agriculture.misc:5613 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13699 rec.gardens:142510 sci.agriculture:13026 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4999 In article <4t0nk7$ha1@news.co.intel.com>, Joel Clark wrote: >As to whether or not >apples and tomatoes are appropriate subjects, I would much rather see >discussion of growing tomatoes or anything else than the flood of HOT SEX >and MAKE MONEY FAST posts we are currently subject to in alt.agriculture.fruit. Yes I would agree with you, although what's to stop these off topic posts in sci.agriculture.fruit, if created? But, my point is fairly clear. You have rushed this proposal through, and the way the charter is now will only cause problems later on. A newsgroup in the sci.* hierarchy should be well thought through-- not only the rationale, but also the charter. The need for this group is apparent. Making the group with a durable charter is as important--otherwise you just have another "alt" style group within the sci.* hierarchy. This group is a good idea, but again, the proposed charter has problems that need to be resolved. Why not do it right the first time? Again, I recommend a NO vote. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Aug 3 10:29:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!wizard.pn.com!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ATTN: CANADIANS, PLEASE READ - FORMIC ACID ? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 12:58:41 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4t2iau$p9r@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4slb40$3ie@library.airnews.net> <4ssdkp$j11@fountain.mindlink.net> <4stggp$b4t@hp.cuug.ab.ca> <4t1kpg$mtc@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4t1kpg$mtc@fountain.mindlink.net>, Bill Fernihough wrote: > but the suggestion that they control the release of >Formic Acid is a good one. The wipes that are used release it very >fast, and its over and gone till the next dose. In a course I took this spring on mite control, some unpublished experiments were discussed where a slow release formic method used seemed to have a pronounced adverse effect on honey production, and no advantage over slow release as far as mite control is concerned. There has not been nearly enough study on many of these matters to make clear cut statements, but some trends seem to be apparent. Perhaps continuous presence of formic fumes in a hive is as distruptive to colony performance as it might intuitively seem. Quick release seems to get the job done -- and leave the colony to function normally between treatments. (It seems at least four at weekly intervals are required). Mite wipe type pads cost less than a nickel (5 cents) each in quantity, but new ones must be bought for each application. Paper towels, and even application with a metered pump onto the bare floorboard have been used effectively. However the pads seem most simple and safe. No formic treatment has proven to be nearly 100% trustworthy and compared to Apistan(r) formic applications have often proven to be _not nearly as reliable_ in heavy infestations. Formic is a useful addition to the arsenal, but it's no silver bullet. You'll want monitor your results and have Apistan ready for back up. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From pbc@teleport.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: eug.forsale,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Comb Honey Forsale Date: 23 Jul 1996 22:08:03 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4t3ig3$eo7@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-23.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Comb Honey for sale while it lasts at our yard sale Tuesday through Saturday (July 23 through July 27) Stop by. 1523 Lawrence St. Eugene, OR 342-7206 From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Aug 3 10:30:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lop-sided hive Date: 24 Jul 1996 06:50:40 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4t4h40$t6d@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <31EAFA32.3273@keanefed.com> <4shau2$76d@fountain.mindlink.net> <31F115B0.2BFA@keanefed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line207.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: kkachnow@keanefed.com X-URL: news:31F115B0.2BFA@keanefed.com I would expect that if the hive is healthy, it won't be lop sided for long. If you honey flow is still on, then the bees should still be increasing in number and by now, or soon, it should be full of bees. You may also be experiencing a weak hive problem here. Can I suggest that you take a good look into how much brood you have, and how well the bees are doing. How long ago did you start this hive? Did you feed sugar syrup with Terramycin and Nosema medicine? If you have, and bees look healthy, I would be tempted to just leave them alone now, and the hive should look after itself. Once a week, check progress by simply taking the top off, looking to see if they are spreading out, and otherwise, don't remove frames, be as un intrusive as you can. If there is no honey flow on, feed sugar syrup with terramycin and Nosema medicine every 14 days. Don't let the sun get at the mixture at all. Any little bit so sun destroys Terramycin instantly. From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Aug 3 10:30:04 EDT 1996 Article: 5003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions on Sugar Syrup Wanted Date: 24 Jul 1996 06:53:02 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4t4h8e$t6d@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <4smpp5$h9d@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line207.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: jakatz@ix.netcom.com X-URL: news:4smpp5$h9d@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com If it was mixed with 50% sugar and water or so it won't ferment. Don't worry about it. Next time, leave it dry till neede. From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:30:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use of Formic Acid in Canada and the USA Date: 24 Jul 1996 08:23:24 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4t4mhs$anv@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin024.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hello beekeepers, Like you can see in my E-Mail address I am a beekeeper from Germany. The varroa mite is present in Germany for at least 20 years, and a lot of things are tried by beekeepers to keep them under control. There are some pharmaca legalized and formic acid. Officially you can use formic acid in a way which looks similar to the one descibed in this newsgroup a few days ago. Others use formic acid from the top of the hive, some place special designed applicators in the frames nearby the brood. For all these methods 70-90% success are reported by scientific research, depending on outside temperature and concentration of the formic acid. Formic acid is used in late summer and fall for 2-4 weeks to kill the mites, not during the honey season . Im our monthly beekeepers club-meeting on this Fr. is a round table discussion about various methods of mite-control. I think it would be intersting to tell the people about the use of formic acid in America. So I am interested in all ways of formic acid application used in American and Canadian hives. Please mail me a short discription of methods used by you and your colluages for varroacontrol, especially if you use formic acid or other organic acids. How do you applicate the acid, how long, and in which period of the year. I would like to discuss this points with my beekeeper colluages, some of them do this job for more than 50 years, and maybe we find interesting aspects and new views. The results of the discussion might be of interst for you, so I will post them in this newsgroup in a few days. Lets cooperate to face the beast! With best regards Ulli Hoeger From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE:Subject: Comb Honey Forsale Date: 24 Jul 1996 12:37:33 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t55ed$a09@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From joel@ssd.intel.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!itnews.sc.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!news.co.intel.com!joel From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 24 Jul 1996 15:24:16 GMT Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4t5f70$1c0@news.co.intel.com> References: <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <4t0nk7$ha1@news.co.intel.com> <4t2c68$gqq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sail.co.intel.com Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:194232 alt.agriculture.fruit:2939 alt.agriculture.misc:5632 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13739 rec.gardens:142797 sci.agriculture:13082 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5006 In article <4t2c68$gqq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >Yes I would agree with you, although what's to stop these off topic posts in >sci.agriculture.fruit, if created? But, my point is fairly clear. You have >rushed this proposal through, and the way the charter is now will only >cause problems later on. A newsgroup in the sci.* hierarchy should be well >thought through-- not only the rationale, but also the charter. The need >for this group is apparent. Making the group with a durable charter is as >important--otherwise you just have another "alt" style group within the >sci.* hierarchy. > >This group is a good idea, but again, the proposed charter has problems >that need to be resolved. Why not do it right the first time? > >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Since the discussion started around the 1st of May it hardly seems like this is being "rushed" through. I believed I had responded to and or incorporated the discussion input. I would have been happy to incorporate any reasonable suggestions from Adam on what the Charter should have read during the discussion period (and I have no reason to believe his suggestions would not be reasonable). I saw none. If as Adam hopes the vote fails, I hope Adam will propose a new Charter (and group) that he considers acceptable. As to what stops off-topic posts, as I said in the Rationale, there is nothing that can entirely eliminate off-topic posts from Usenet newsgroups. Even moderation is not 100% successful. My experience indicates groups in any of the big seven newsgroups are subject to considerable less off-topic posts than the alt newsgroups. alt.agriculture.fruit is generally around 50% trash. Other newsgroups I read are less than 10% totally off-topic. joel clark From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sat Aug 3 10:30:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Out of sync with mite control Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:08:51 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4t5apk$3og@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I discovered varroa mites in my hives last summer. I did not get apistan treatment in the hives until mid December. Since this treatment went in so late I did not treat this spring. Now I have lost 20% of my hives to mites and have started apistan treatment about mid July. (No honey this year due to drought). I can't see treating again in September but I'm affraid if I don't I will see losses next spring. I can understand the folly of not treating this spring. Is it the same folly to skip a consecutive treatment this fall? Victor Rimkus, Albuquerque, NM vcrimku@sandia.gov From HUNTERS@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.nap.net!fred.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: HUNTERS@ix.netcom.com(.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test post Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:25:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4t5ma4$591@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: phi-pa4-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jul 24 10:25:24 AM PDT 1996 test test test test test testing testing testing testing tested tested tested From HUNTERS@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.nap.net!fred.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: HUNTERS@ix.netcom.com(.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEEKEEPERS IN PHILA.,PA OR SURROUNDING AREA? Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:46:06 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4t5ngu$ase@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: phi-pa4-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jul 24 10:46:06 AM PDT 1996 HELLO OUT THERE, AM INTERESTED IN FINDING BEEKEEPERS IN PHILADELPHIA OR SURROUNDING AREA, WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE FOOD PRODUCTS...HONEY(PROCESSED&UNPROCESSED RAW HONEY),BEE POLLEN AND/OR ROYAL JELLY IF POSSIBLE. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY LOCATIONS NEARBY(NOT HEALTH FOOD STORES) I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THEM. PLEASE E-MAIL ME THE INFO. THANX, HUNTERS@IX.NETCOM.COM From rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news From: randy nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preferred bee/bee supplies company Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:42:32 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: melinda.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0S (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) I'm going to set up between 1-4 hives in the spring of '97, and am looking for input on who to/not to buy equipment and bees from. A coworker's father gave me ~4 hives worth of equipment, I'll just need foundations and bee kits/packages. I posed this question of the bee listserver, mentioning that I had visited this group before, and they requested that I find out and cross post. I am leaning towards Dadant, as they are fairly close to where I live (I'm in SE Iowa). Suggestions? -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu From mdiver@voyageronline.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news From: mdiver@voyageronline.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nasonov Pheromone Date: 25 Jul 1996 04:15:07 GMT Organization: Texas Networking, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4t6scb$jkj@news2.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-2-87.chatt.voyageronline.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I have just gotten interested in beekeeping this year. I plan to start keeping bees next spring. So, in preparing for that time in my life, I've been reading alot. Like "ABC and XYZ in Bee Culture" and "Hive and the Honeybee". In "Hive and the Honeybee" it talks about using Nasonov to attract swarms. My question is, "Has anyone used this, and if so does it work?" On the Gears home page, Dr. Justin Schmidt (associated with the USDA and Arizona State) is shown with swarm traps that use Nasonov to attract swarms of European and Africanized bees. Is this just a scam or does it really work? mdiver@voyageronline.net From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:30:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nasonov Pheromone Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:43:12 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4t6scb$jkj@news2.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4t6scb$jkj@news2.texas.net>, vger writes > > In "Hive and the Honeybee" it talks about using Nasonov to attract swarms. > > My question is, "Has anyone used this, and if so does it work?" > I just know I'm about to be proved wrong but so far I haven't met anyone who says it works. What does is a pile of old bee boxes. This is because ( I reckon ) swarms aren't just out there looking for a home. They have a fair idea were they're going to start with. If you have old boxes around for weeks there is some chance of the scouts finding them, and they're not particularly responsive to nasonov scents which are used under different circumstances. After all why should a swarm, in normal queen 'right' conditions fly to an scent produced by (presumably) another colony. If I were that swarm I'd go in the opposite direction ! -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred bee/bee supplies company Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 08:58:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <177CF7E47S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> <4t6u5o$klv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu>, randy nessler wrote: >>Suggestions (for reputable equipment and bee suppliers)? > To which Adam F. responded: >I have had good queens from David Miksa, Roy Weaver and Wilbanks >apiaries. All of these operations are first rate and would stand behind >their product 100%. > I'll add endorsements for York Bees in Jessup, Georgia and Rossman Apiaries (don't have their address). I'll echo Adam's endorsement of Roy Weaver and add one for B. Weaver also - both Weavers are members of a strong beekeeping family. There are many good equipment supplies out there: Dadant, Mann Lake, Brushy Mountain, Miller, Western Bee Supply, Rossman's carries a nice line of cyprus equipment (a bit pricey but it lasts forever!), Better Bee, and many others. These guys advertise regularly in the bee journals (American Bee Journal and Bee Culture to name two). Check either for the addresses for suppliers, get a few catalogs and compare prices, which will be more or less comparable. Equipment prices will also vary based on the quality you purchase: select, commercial or budget. Also watch for sales. Some suppliers offer the "deal of the month" where you may get good bargains on selected pieces of equipment. Finally, be aware of the suppliers' location in relation to your own. For me, the savings that may be had buying from Western Bee Supplies get eaten up by UPS shipping charges from the west coast to the east. You may find a dealer within driving distance where equipment is more costly, but when you factor in shipping costs it may be cheaper to buy more expensive supplies locally. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: don't read... just a test Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:12:37 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t86dl$jg3@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:18 EDT 1996 Article: 5015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ok... another test (skip) Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:15:55 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t86jr$jgo@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: just another test Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:18:57 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t86ph$jgu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fifth test... getting tireed Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:28:17 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t87b1$jot@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: i'm gonna keep testing till i get it right ! Date: 25 Jul 1996 16:23:10 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t871e$jod@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: just another test Date: 25 Jul 1996 17:58:42 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t8cki$mh2@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:25 EDT 1996 Article: 5020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: geese... another test... sorriee !!! Date: 25 Jul 1996 18:06:17 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 1 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4t8d2p$mrc@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu From matti.heikkila@hut.fi Sat Aug 3 10:30:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.csc.fi!nntp.hut.fi!usenet From: "Matti Heikkilä" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic Reaction to Honeybees Date: 25 Jul 1996 19:15:31 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4t8h4j$gq7@nntp.hut.fi> References: <4t6cvs$pm4@turing.mathworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpc.hut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: ricks@mathworks.com ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) wrote: I am a fairly new beekeeper, this being my second year. The other evening while checking the hives, I was stung and had a very severe reaction. I've been stung twice before this year, three last year, and never had a reaction that was very serious, perhaps a swollen hand for a few days, but that's the extent of it. I know that there must be other beekeepers out there that suffer from severe allergic reaction to honeybee sting. My question to you is what precautions, and/or allergy treatments do you follow? Has the condition ever reversed itself - i.e. have you become less sensitive over time? Thanks for any info. Private E-mail is fine. -- Rick __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com __ Tel: 508-647-7000 ___ Fax: 508-647-7001 _________________ Hello Rick, in what part of your body did you have that severe stung? For me a stung can be also quite severe if it is in neck or head but in hand or in leg is ok. My father had once only one stung in his face and he looked terrible for many days. It was so swollen. I carry always a medice in my car for the case if I get tens of stungs. You can buy that medicine from pharmacy here in Finland. Normally you should take that medicine if a poisonous snake bites you. I can check what is in that medicine if you want. greetings Matti From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:30:27 EDT 1996 Article: 5022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: i'm gonna keep testing till i get it right ! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:45:27 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <4t871e$jod@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4t871e$jod@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, "Joel B. Kirkpatrick" writes > Then, *PLEASE* do it some place else. There are a number of "test" newsgroups that are there specifically for this purpose. Please don't waste our time by forcing us to download your tests (not even just the headers). If you are having problems with your software, then I suggest you get in touch with the vendor. If not .................. . -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nasonov Pheromone Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 08:49:35 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <177D07C23S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <4t6scb$jkj@news2.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article Dave Black writes: > >In article <4t6scb$jkj@news2.texas.net>, vger >writes >> >> In "Hive and the Honeybee" it talks about using Nasonov to attract swarms. >> >> My question is, "Has anyone used this, and if so does it work?" >> I can't offer anything specifically to the nasonov scent discussion, but I can direct attention to last month's American Bee Journal which contained an article about bee balm (monarda). The article said that it is not the bees' attraction to the bee balm's flowers that earned the plant its common name, rather it's the bees' attraction to the leaves! The claim was made that rubbing the leaves of bee balm on a site will attract bees to that site. Personally I don't know where to get nasonov (other than the glands on a bee's behind) but I know where to get bee balm - I rue the day I planted it in my perennial garden as it is now invading everywhere! If you're looking to attract swarms, monarda may serve you well. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From marius2@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: marius2@ix.netcom.com(Marty Kupris ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question on honey harvest Date: 26 Jul 1996 19:54:35 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4tb7pr$bhs@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cha-nc4-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 26 2:54:35 PM CDT 1996 Hi, I'm new to this newsgoup, and fairly new to beekeeping (my second year). Honey production seems kinda late this year, possibly due to a late freeze and wet spring (I'm in North Carolina). I've gotten about 75 lbs of honey from 2 producing hives, and I think there's about 100 lbs. left in these hives and 3 others that I have. Normally, we would have removed the supers (I think) by July 1, but the bees are still producing a little. My question: should I remove all supers now? We usually get a fall crop (bitter). If some of the comb is not capped, should I remove it anyway? I was thinking about using the unripe honey in my homebrewing, where it's diluted anyway. Any advice would be greatly appreciated; I plan to work the hives tomorrow. marius2@ix.netcom.com From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming then queenless Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <9607261708542215@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 25 *FYI* Interesting report for Kansas, anyone else notice an increase in swarming this year? ttul Andy- ---------------------------------------- From: STEVE PHILLIPS To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:14:14 -0500 Subject: Swarming then queenless In the area I live, northeast Kansas, swarming has been unusually bad for everyone, I guess because it was an unusually wet spring. The swarms were all very late for this area, all after June 1. Five of my six hives swarmed, one in mid July. All of my hives that swarmed ended up queenless. I have heard many other beekeepers in the area have had the same problem. What causes queenlessness after a swarm. My hives that swarmed all had empty queen cells in them. Where did the queens go? -Steve Phillips- -Perry, KS- phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Nor will a bee buzz round two swelling peaches, From wdecker@nnn.edgeinc.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news3.agis.net!agis!NEWS!not-for-mail From: wdecker@nnn.edgeinc.com (Walker Decker) Subject: Re: Plastic Frames Message-ID: <31f945c3.3135228@news.edgeinc.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:23:11 GMT References: <31E3CECF.4CFB@netside.com> <4sck16$9k2@fountain.mindlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Lines: 37 Bill Fernihough wrote: ->I've had that experience if I mixed plastic and wood in the same hive, ->and have found that unless the hive is strong, plastic is not the way to ->go. Otherwise, I really like the plastic frames, and have had good luck I'm using Pierco plastic frames exclusively and find them to be excellent. However, it is apparent that small differences in the methods being used may lead to widely conflicting results. I never use excluders; only use medium depth hive bodies; ***only put the new (undrawn) frames on during the honeyflow in the Spring***, or just previous to it; find that the bees will draw wax on wax-coated or uncoated plastic frames equally as well (or for that matter, anything!) when frames are added ONLY during the honeyflow; always use 10 frames per body and press the frames tightly together, in other words, don't try to space them. The one thing I've noticed is that the bees seem to build more burr combs between the supers than I remember when using only wooden frames. I'm guessing that there is some dimensional distance that is different with the plastic. Perhaps the "bee space" is outside the limit? There is also the possibility that since the Pierco frames allow the bees to build comb right to the very top of the frame, the bees are encouraged to continue the comb on to the bottom of the next frame in the upper body. If other beekeepers haven't had a problem with this, I'd like to know what their thoughts are. The plastic frames have too many advantages in my estimation to abandon them. I think it is worth the trouble to figure out ways to solve the problems that come up. There is no reason why the design can't be improved upon, but only through widespread use can troubles be discovered and solutions found. Walker Decker From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.join.ad.jp!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 27 Jul 1996 01:55:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4tbsut$l1m@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4sqjlk$7nc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <4t0nk7$ha1@news.co.intel.com> <4t2c68$gqq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <4t5f70$1c0@news.co.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:195089 alt.agriculture.fruit:2965 alt.agriculture.misc:5660 alt.sustainable.agriculture:13811 rec.gardens:142910 sci.agriculture:13155 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5029 In article <4t5f70$1c0@news.co.intel.com>, Joel Clark wrote: > >If as Adam >hopes the vote fails, I hope Adam will propose a new Charter (and group) >that he considers acceptable. I'd be glad to help in anyway to get this group in the groove. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question on honey harvest Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 08:04:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4tc82p$n4k@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <4tb7pr$bhs@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj1-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jul 27 12:05:29 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 marius2@ix.netcom.com(Marty Kupris ) wrote: >My question: should I remove all supers now? We usually get a fall crop >(bitter). If some of the comb is not capped, should I remove it anyway? >I was thinking about using the unripe honey in my homebrewing, where >it's diluted anyway. >Any advice would be greatly appreciated; I plan to work the hives >tomorrow. Marty: I don't know how you're doing with Varroa down in North Carolina, but I wouldn't leave the honey on until fall. The only beekeeper in my area (NJ) that didn't lose any hives last winter got his honey off and his Apistan strips on by August 25th. I don't know anything about homebrewing and unripe honey, but I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say about extracting from frames that have uncapped cells. If there are only a few, I've been taking them off and extracting. If there are alot, I've been leaving them on the hives. One thought I had was to consolidate them into one super and put them on a strong hive to finish. From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic Reaction to Honeybees Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 08:17:26 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4tc8r4$jg3@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <4t6cvs$pm4@turing.mathworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj1-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 26 10:18:28 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) wrote: >I am a fairly new beekeeper, this being my second year. The other evening >while checking the hives, I was stung and had a very severe reaction. I've >been stung twice before this year, three last year, and never had a reaction >that was very serious, perhaps a swollen hand for a few days, but that's the >extent of it. >I know that there must be other beekeepers out there that suffer from severe >allergic reaction to honeybee sting. My question to you is what precautions, >and/or allergy treatments do you follow? Has the condition ever reversed >itself - i.e. have you become less sensitive over time? >Thanks for any info. Private E-mail is fine. >-- Rick I'm also allergic, and you should see an allergist. I take a prescription antihistamine (Seldane) about an hour before working my hives, and always have a self-administering Epipen with me (a prescription shot of Epinephrine in the case of anaphylactic shock). You didn't say what the "severe" reaction was. However, it also helps to get the stingers out IMMEDIATELY not by pinching them and pulling them out (this pumps additional venom from the venom sac into your system) but by getting a finger nail under the sac and flicking the stinger out. A topical application of an antihistamine such as Benadryl also helps. From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preferred bee/bee supplies company Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 08:19:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4tc8uj$jg3@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj1-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 26 10:20:19 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 randy nessler wrote: >I'm going to set up between 1-4 hives in the spring of '97, and am >looking for input on who to/not to buy equipment and bees from. A >coworker's father gave me ~4 hives worth of equipment, I'll just need >foundations and bee kits/packages. I posed this question of the bee >listserver, mentioning that I had visited this group before, and they >requested that I find out and cross post. I am leaning towards Dadant, >as they are fairly close to where I live (I'm in SE Iowa). Suggestions? >-- >Randy Nessler >rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu I've always been happy with mail order from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, Inc. in North Carolina. 1-800-BEESWAX. From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Out of sync with mite control Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 08:23:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4tc97c$jg3@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <4t5apk$3og@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj1-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 26 10:25:00 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: >I discovered varroa mites in my hives last summer. I did not get >apistan treatment in the hives until mid December. Since this treatment >went in so late I did not treat this spring. Now I have lost 20% of my >hives to mites and have started apistan treatment about mid July. (No >honey this year due to drought). I can't see treating again in September >but I'm affraid if I don't I will see losses next spring. I can >understand the folly of not treating this spring. Is it the same folly to >skip a consecutive treatment this fall? If you started treatment in mid-July, I can't see treating again almost immediately after taking the strips off after 42 days. I would think you shouldn't have to treat again until the spring. From fvagenende@club.innet.be Sat Aug 3 10:30:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!usenet From: "Filip Vagenende" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Req.:Bee Cartoon for birth card Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:00:47 +0200 Organization: INnet NV (post doesn't reflect views of INnet NV) Lines: 2 Message-ID: <01bb7ba2.7bbfb3e0$LocalHost@year1476> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmpool09-161.innet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Can anyone send me some lovely bee cartoons/pictures? Thanx! From ricks@mathworks.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!dialin-net-2.mathworks.com!user From: ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic Reaction to Honeybees Date: 27 Jul 1996 11:16:52 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <4t6cvs$pm4@turing.mathworks.com> <4tc8r4$jg3@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-net-2.mathworks.com In article <4tc8r4$jg3@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) wrote: > I'm also allergic, and you should see an allergist. I take a > prescription antihistamine (Seldane) about an hour before working my > hives, and always have a self-administering Epipen with me (a > prescription shot of Epinephrine in the case of anaphylactic shock). > You didn't say what the "severe" reaction was. However, it also helps > to get the stingers out IMMEDIATELY not by pinching them and pulling > them out (this pumps additional venom from the venom sac into your > system) but by getting a finger nail under the sac and flicking the > stinger out. A topical application of an antihistamine such as > Benadryl also helps. I was stung once in the back of my left arm, and ended up with hives all over and swelling in the neck/lips/eyes/ears, rapid heart rate, low blood pressure (70/40). My wife was prompted to call the medics when I felt a lump in my throat. Unfortunately, I didn't get the stinger out immediately, so I got a full shot of venom from the honeybee. I did see an allergist two days ago and his recommendation is to get desensitized. The desensitization process involves getting controlled injections of bee venom over a number of months/years that will allow my body to develop antibodies to the venom, enough so that I can tolerate two bee stings without going into anaphylactic shock. I now have an Epi-pen kit and have been told to stay away from the hives and generally be cautious when in the yard. Fortunately, I wasn't told I had to give up beekeeping by the allergist, nor did my wife insist on it. Thanks for the feedback. Knowing that there are others that have developed allergies to honeybees and still keep them is encouraging. -- Rick __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com __ Tel: 508-647-7000 ___ Fax: 508-647-7001 _________________ From sovanc01@homer.louisville.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!news From: "Bruce A. Vance" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred bee/bee supplies company Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 08:26:02 -0500 Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31FA18EA.1F68@homer.louisville.edu> References: <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sovanc01.remote.louisville.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) CC: sovanc01@homer.louisville.edu randy nessler wrote: > > I'm going to set up between 1-4 hives in the spring of '97, and am > looking for input on who to/not to buy equipment and bees from. A > coworker's father gave me ~4 hives worth of equipment, I'll just need > foundations and bee kits/packages. I posed this question of the bee > listserver, mentioning that I had visited this group before, and they > requested that I find out and cross post. I am leaning towards Dadant, > as they are fairly close to where I live (I'm in SE Iowa). Suggestions? > -- > Randy Nessler > rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu You might also consider Walter T. Kelly, in Clarkson, Kentucky. They've been in business a long time, and have an excellent reputation. Bruce Vance (in southern Indiana) From aronna@flash.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!excelsior.flash.net!usenet From: A&P Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: butterfly farming Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:47:41 -0500 Organization: laos Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31FA563D.707A@flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-98.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) does anyone know where i can go to find out more about this. -- Pablo and Aronna aronna@flash.net http://www.flash.net/~aronna From ricks@mathworks.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet From: ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergic Reaction to Honeybees Date: 24 Jul 1996 23:52:28 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4t6cvs$pm4@turing.mathworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: romana.mathworks.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.7 I am a fairly new beekeeper, this being my second year. The other evening while checking the hives, I was stung and had a very severe reaction. I've been stung twice before this year, three last year, and never had a reaction that was very serious, perhaps a swollen hand for a few days, but that's the extent of it. I know that there must be other beekeepers out there that suffer from severe allergic reaction to honeybee sting. My question to you is what precautions, and/or allergy treatments do you follow? Has the condition ever reversed itself - i.e. have you become less sensitive over time? Thanks for any info. Private E-mail is fine. -- Rick __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com __ Tel: 508-647-7000 ___ Fax: 508-647-7001 _________________ From juan@barrancas.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:46 EDT 1996 Article: 5039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hst1us.satlink.com!satlink!un1.satlink.com!barrancas.com!juan Subject: APITOXINA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: juan@barrancas.com Date: Sat, 27 Jul 96 20:00:48 EST Message-ID: <8443-24552201@barrancas.com> Organization: BARRANCAS - +54 329 84584 Lines: 6 PRODUCTOR DE VENENO DE ABEJAS EN ESTADO SECO. MATERIA PRIMA PARA PRODUCIR APITOXINA DRY STATE BEE POISON PRODUCER. RAW MATERIAL FOR APITOXINE PRODUCTION From BLMA51A@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: BLMA51A@prodigy.com (Bob Young) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen sacks on front legs... Date: 28 Jul 1996 02:00:53 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tehkl$9s2@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap4-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 while doing a bee survey in western pennsylvania the other day, i came across a honey bee like creature with pollen sacks on it's front legs. i'm really interested to know if anyone knows what it was? - BOB YOUNG BLMA51A@prodigy.com From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:30:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred bee/bee supplies company Date: 25 Jul 1996 04:45:44 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4t6u5o$klv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <31F66088.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu>, randy nessler wrote: >I posed this question of the bee >listserver, mentioning that I had visited this group before, and they >requested that I find out and cross post. I am leaning towards Dadant, >as they are fairly close to where I live (I'm in SE Iowa). Suggestions? I have had good queens from David Miksa, Roy Weaver and Wilbanks apiaries. All of these operations are first rate and would stand behind their product 100%. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From phoenix@aug.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!jaxnet.southeast.net!news From: phoenix@aug.com (Stanton A Hershman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: difference in strains Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:59:41 GMT Organization: Phoenix Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31fb9b9d.158165600@news.aug.com> Reply-To: phoenix@aug.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.aug.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 it has been years since i raised bees and finally decided to get going again. much has changed in my absence. i remember when the only queen you could really get was from sears, an italian queen. the question is: what are the major differences, if any, in temperament and honey production in the following strains starline midnite ARS-Y-C-1 yugoslavian email response preferred tia stanton FIDONET: 1:3620/21@fidonet.org INTERNET: phoenix@aug.com WEBPAGE: userpages.aug.com/phoenix MADNESS TAKES ITS TOLL. PLEASE HAVE EXACT CHANGE. From hyper@granbury.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.nkn.net!news From: Bently Durant Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what are skeps Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:40:17 -0500 Organization: elmo inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> Reply-To: hyper@granbury.net NNTP-Posting-Host: port1.granbury.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) I have seen advertisments of upside-down woven baskets called skeps. are they used to cach swarms or were they used as hives in the middle ages. please email me. From io@aloha.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!micron From: io@aloha.net (Adrian Rupp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Used Bee Equipmnet in Hawaii Date: 29 Jul 1996 02:31:27 GMT Organization: Hawaii OnLine - Honolulu, HI Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4th7q0$fii@nuhou.aloha.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawaii105.u.aloha.net Keywords: beekeeping equipment queen excluders, frames for deeps and honey supers, foundationdeeps, honey supers, bottems, lids, X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Looking for used bee equipment in Hawaii - deeps, honey supers, bottoms, lids, queen excluders, frames for deeps and honey supers, foundation etc. Will consider new eqipment from maainland if very inexpensive...... Please E-mail Adrian at io@aloha.net From io@aloha.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!micron From: io@aloha.net (Adrian Rupp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for used bee equipment in Hawaii Date: 29 Jul 1996 02:33:20 GMT Organization: Hawaii OnLine - Honolulu, HI Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4th7tg$fii@nuhou.aloha.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawaii105.u.aloha.net Keywords: deeps, honey supers, bottoms, lids, queen excluders, frames deeps honey supers, foundation X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Looking for used bee equipment in Hawaii - deeps, honey supers, bottoms, lids, queen excluders, frames for deeps and honey supers, foundation etc. Will consider new eqipment from maainland if very inexpensive...... Please E-mail Adrian at io@aloha.net From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:30:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:00:49 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4tiqo1$l8a@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin023.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: hyper@granbury.net Dear Bently, These upside-down baskets are used in past times as beehives. In these hives the bees built the combs without frames. The beekeeper cut out the honeycombs after using a lot of smoke and shaking the bees out of the hive. In the middle age there was no "beekeeping". The Zeideler, so a beekeeper or better honeymaker called in these times, knews the location of wild bees in the forest and get their honey once a year by opening the treecavities. The best discription of these job will be honeyhunting. The development of stempieces with a caviety or the straw-baskets finished these area, made the bees moveable, and farmers became beekeepers (teachers, monks and reverents too). Finely somebody discovers the system of moveable frames and developed a extractor. This was the birthday of modern beekeeping. Back to the strawbaskets. These kinds of hives were very common in the Lueneburger Heide, a landscape in Germany. There these hives are still in use, and some of them are nearly 100 years old. There are still only a small number of people left, who know to build these hives from straw and mud. These "Bienenkoerbe" are a symbol for beekeeping in Germany (most german beekeepers use modern hives). Smaller baskets with a handel on the top are often used for swarm-catching or for decoration and promotion in honeyshops. I hope these informations help to answer your questions, with best regards Ulli Hoeger From paulp@ims.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall Queens: Swarming tendencies Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:38:19 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I've always requeened in the spring and then, the following spring, had to deal with the swarming urge of my year-old-queen. If I put in a new queen in the fall, is she still going to want to swarm next spring, or will she wait a little longer? Paul From paulp@ims.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Record Keeping Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:00:45 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I'm looking for some fresh ideas on keeping records of my hives. What information have you found to be usefull? What format has been efficient to use? I'm a hobbiest with 8 hives and plans for more in the future. I have been changing my record keeping as I've expanded, but if anyone would care to share what works for them, I'd like to listen. Paul From dokeefe@tiac.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news-in.tiac.net!news-old.tiac.net!usenet From: "The O'Keefe's" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First year honey production in the Northeast Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:32:48 -0400 Organization: yellowbirch studios Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bb7cdd.15f33e60$6aed77ce@dennishome> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.119.237.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 This is our first year with bees. I was hoping that someone in the Northeast US can tell us how much honey we can expect. The hive is strong and we added the honey super with foundation on July 7 and as of last weekend we had about 1.5 frames drawn and honey in them (but not capped). What are our chances of getting any honey this late in the season? Is this late for our season? What types of stuff will be producing nectar this time of year for the bees. I figure we'll take the super off around the first of September or so - honey or not. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you The O'Keefe's -- From letaylor@why.net Sat Aug 3 10:30:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news2.whytel.com!usenet From: Lenny Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:16:37 -0500 Organization: Why? Network (817) 795-1765 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31FD4655.229A@why.net> References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> Reply-To: letaylor@why.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 33.max1.dal.why.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (Win95; I) Bently Durant wrote: > > I have seen advertisments of upside-down woven baskets called skeps. > are they used to cach swarms or were they used as hives in the middle > ages. > > please email me. The first respondant to your question gave a very good history of the straw skep but failed to point out, quite appropriately given his location, that they are illegal to use in many areas of the United States. The reason is that because of their design, there is no easy way to harvest without killing lots of bees. So, keep your hives in the wooden boxes with removable frames and enjoy skeps because they represent a bit of history. Take care. From pollinator@aol.com Sat Aug 3 10:30:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: 30 Jul 1996 07:05:06 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 42 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4tkq92$nmu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <31FD4655.229A@why.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <31FD4655.229A@why.net>, Lenny Taylor writes: >but failed to point out, quite appropriately given his >location, that they are illegal to use in many areas of the United >States. The reason is that because of their design, there is no easy >way to harvest without killing lots of bees. Box hives, gums, skeps, and any hive without moveable frames are illegal because they must be inspected by state inspectors for foulbrood disease. A special permit can be obtained to keep a skep (or other non-moveable frame type), for educational, museum, research or similar reasons. The skep is widely used as a symbol of bees, beekeeping, and industriousness. The Mormon Church (Latter Day Saints) uses the skep as a symbol, because they admire the bees. I think the skep is also an official symbol for the state of Utah. Ironically, the Utah farmers once used to think that bees hurt the alfalfa blossoms, because they the fields rapidly turned to a rusty color, if there were a lot of bees. Of course this happened because the blossoms were pollinated quickly. Some of these farmers pursuaded the state to ban migratory beekeeping, and blocked beekeepers from their normal route from California to Utah alfalfa fields, to more northern honey spots later. It was only a brief barrier, but it sunk the alfalfa seed industry in Utah, and gave the whole industry to California. By the time the error was realized, the patterns had been set in new ways, so as to bypass Utah. About this time California was learning to put bees out on alfalfa at much higher than honey production rates, so as to get saturation pollination. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:08:01 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 114 Message-ID: References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> <4tiqo1$l8a@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 hoeger wrote: > These upside-down baskets are used in past times as beehives. > In these hives the bees built the combs without frames. The > beekeeper cut out the honeycombs after using a lot of smoke and > shaking the bees out of the hive. Historically, beekeepers would either immerse the skeps in water (hopefully clean) or kill the bees using sulphur fires (fires on which sulphur has been sprinkled). The latter being quite an art to do without tainting the honey; there are cases in the middle ages where beekeepers were successfully prosecuted for selling sulphur poisoned honey. > In the middle age there was no "beekeeping". Maybe not in Germany, though I doubt that, but there definitely was "beekeeping in the middle ages, and earlier. Remains of a skep were found at Yorvik (now called York) in the UK which date back to Viking times. And numerous other reliable sources suggest that bee keeping has existed for a long time. > Back to the strawbaskets. These kinds of hives were very common > in the Lueneburger Heide, a landscape in Germany. There these > hives are still in use, and some of them are nearly 100 years > old. There are still only a small number of people left, who > know to build these hives from straw and mud. There is no mud used in skeps. Perhaps Hoeger is thinking of the willow or wicker basket hives which skeps replaced? letaylor@why.net wrote: > The first respondant to your question gave a very good history of the > straw skep but failed to point out, quite appropriately given his > location, that they are illegal to use in many areas of the United > States. The reason is that because of their design, there is no easy > way to harvest without killing lots of bees. Not sure I agree with this interpretation. pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > Box hives, gums, skeps, and any hive without moveable frames are > illegal because they must be inspected by state inspectors for foulbrood > disease. A special permit can be obtained to keep a skep (or other > non-moveable frame type), for educational, museum, research or similar > reasons. This is more likely, though not the whole story. (See below). > The skep is widely used as a symbol of bees, beekeeping, and > industriousness. > The Mormon Church (Latter Day Saints) uses the skep as a symbol, because > they admire the bees. > > I think the skep is also an official symbol for the state of Utah. Bill Henderson wrote: > Bee colonies were not worked as they are today. Instead the colony > was left to its own devices and, when honey was harvested, either the > colony was killed or driven (drummed) off. An empty skep was placed > above the occupied one and the bees were drummed (hit the sides of > the bottom skep) into the upper skep. The comb contained honey and > brood - the queen was not excluded from the honey storage combs. The latter as well as the health and safety issues are probably why some US states ban the use of skeps. Driving is quite an art in itself - in Victorian times, beekeepers would go to village fairs to show off their driving skills (and even entered competitions). The trick is to drive the bees at the right time (no uncapped brood) and keep them in their new home (they often as not swarm off in disgust!). > Some amateurs use skeps to hold swarms until they can find something > better to do with them. And some professionals still use skeps for keeping the bees. > They are outdated. That depends on what you mean. There may be some additional difficulty in handling the bees (swarming and mixing brood with honey comb), but I suspect that the more 'natural' environs of a skep are less stressful to the bees. I agree that they are not suitable for honey production in today's legal climate. Couldn't help but join in the discussion - skeps are an obsession of mine. I make them and use them for beekeeping (in Tudor style) for living history and re-enactment displays (as well as the joy of it!). I've also done some extensinve reading on the historical sources of beekeeping (including Aristotle and Pliny). So, if you have any questions, mail me. Or you could point your web browser at: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/skepFAQ/ be warned. It's nowhere near complete yet (doing it in my spare time), but should be completed by the end of August. -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCPAzBVX74AAAEEANXA10mBmyoaLrU7aYz/8o93VaY4p+cJl+eAK0pIt/m9X1nK Drv/edboaWLxnx2L3L8Er/qRt1au+gk4FWE591zx6jv2TrJvWqBm/zQkaEnt9Pgk sgfjDleH8PoIuIJCC9I5jum1hObddewhcfvk8m8lUXn7bRlNfqmJI3HrZ0ddABEB AAG0Hk1pa2UgUmVkZHkgPG1yZWRkeUBnbGFtLmFjLnVrPg== =xTit -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From hedd@netcentral.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!xara.net!agate.xara.net!news From: hedd@netcentral.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:18:10 GMT Organization: Xara Networks News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <31fd168d.2143832@news.netcentral.co.uk> References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> Reply-To: hedd@netcentral.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: news.netcentral.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Cache-Post-Path: news.netcentral.co.uk!unknown@dial14.netcentral.co.uk Skeps are hives constructed of straw that were used to house bees prior to the introduction of the movable frame hive. There shape is roughly hemispherical and they were placed open-end-down on a round floor board to create a dry, warm cavity in which the bees could construct their comb. To remove the honey from such a hive the bees generally had to be destroyed and this was achieved by placing the skep over a small pit containing burning sulphur -- Regards, Alex. Shaw. Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: Bill Henderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:11:02 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1996073000110269278@zetnet.co.uk> References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.09x 10001273 In message <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> Bently Durant writes: > I have seen advertisments of upside-down woven baskets called skeps. > are they used to cach swarms or were they used as hives in the middle > ages. > please email me. Bently They were used as hives before the introduction of the the moveable hanging frame, ie those frames found in the like of the Smith or Langstroth hives. Bee colonies were not worked as they are today. Instead the colony was left to its own devices and, when honey was harvested, either the colony was killed or driven (drummed) off. An empty skep was placed above the occupied one and the bees were drummed (hit the sides of the bottom skep) into the upper skep. The comb contained honey and brood - the queen was not excluded from the honey storage combs. Some amateurs use skeps to hold swarms until they can find something better to do with them. They are outdated. -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:04 EDT 1996 Article: 5055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 08:07:04 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <177D4722DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> <31FD4655.229A@why.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <31FD4655.229A@why.net> Lenny Taylor writes: > >The first respondant to (the) question gave a very good history of the >straw skep but failed to point out, quite appropriately given his >location, that they are illegal to use in many areas of the United >States. The reason is that because of their design, there is no easy >way to harvest without killing lots of bees. So, keep your hives in the >wooden boxes with removable frames and enjoy skeps because they >represent a bit of history. > >Take care. Actually, the reason skeps are outlawed in some (most?) areas is not due to a concern over the bees' demise at harvest time, the reason behind the legislation is that skeps, due to their nonremovable fram design, aren't able to be inspected for disease. Skeps are a relic of history. Although they are recognized by lay-people as common beekeeping equipment and they adorn many honey labels, their use for effective beekeeping is way in the past. Using a skep to keep bees is like using sealing wax to close an envelope or using a typewriten to type a document or using a Model T for a Sunday drive or biting a bullet for anesthesia or.... Relics certainly CAN be used to accomplish what they did in theiy day, but given the better tools that have evolved why woul one? Skeps certainly DO make an interesting show piece, but they are best left for display without inhabitants. Aaron Morris - thinking technology is a wonderful thing! From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what are skeps Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:08:56 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 129 Message-ID: References: <31FBD031.19DB@granbury.net> <31FD4655.229A@why.net> <177D4722DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 For your information: For your information: > hoeger wrote: > > > These upside-down baskets are used in past times as beehives. > > In these hives the bees built the combs without frames. The > > beekeeper cut out the honeycombs after using a lot of smoke and > > shaking the bees out of the hive. > > Historically, beekeepers would either immerse the skeps in water > (hopefully clean) or kill the bees using sulphur fires (fires on which > sulphur has been sprinkled). The latter being quite an art to do without > tainting the honey; there are cases in the middle ages where beekeepers > were successfully prosecuted for selling sulphur poisoned honey. > > > In the middle age there was no "beekeeping". > > Maybe not in Germany, though I doubt that, but there definitely was > "beekeeping in the middle ages, and earlier. Remains of a skep were found > at Yorvik (now called York) in the UK which date back to Viking times. And > numerous other reliable sources suggest that bee keeping has existed for a > long time. > > > Back to the strawbaskets. These kinds of hives were very common > > in the Lueneburger Heide, a landscape in Germany. There these > > hives are still in use, and some of them are nearly 100 years > > old. There are still only a small number of people left, who > > know to build these hives from straw and mud. > > There is no mud used in skeps. Perhaps Hoeger is thinking of the willow or > wicker basket hives which skeps replaced? > > letaylor@why.net wrote: > > > The first respondant to your question gave a very good history of the > > straw skep but failed to point out, quite appropriately given his > > location, that they are illegal to use in many areas of the United > > States. The reason is that because of their design, there is no easy > > way to harvest without killing lots of bees. > > Not sure I agree with this interpretation. > > pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > > > Box hives, gums, skeps, and any hive without moveable frames are > > illegal because they must be inspected by state inspectors for foulbrood > > disease. A special permit can be obtained to keep a skep (or other > > non-moveable frame type), for educational, museum, research or similar > > reasons. > > This is more likely, though not the whole story. (See below). > > > The skep is widely used as a symbol of bees, beekeeping, and > > industriousness. > > The Mormon Church (Latter Day Saints) uses the skep as a symbol, because > > they admire the bees. > > > > I think the skep is also an official symbol for the state of Utah. > > Bill Henderson wrote: > > > Bee colonies were not worked as they are today. Instead the colony > > was left to its own devices and, when honey was harvested, either the > > colony was killed or driven (drummed) off. An empty skep was placed > > above the occupied one and the bees were drummed (hit the sides of > > the bottom skep) into the upper skep. The comb contained honey and > > brood - the queen was not excluded from the honey storage combs. > > The latter as well as the health and safety issues are probably why some > US states ban the use of skeps. Driving is quite an art in itself - in > Victorian times, beekeepers would go to village fairs to show off their > driving skills (and even entered competitions). The trick is to drive the > bees at the right time (no uncapped brood) and keep them in their new home > (they often as not swarm off in disgust!). > > > Some amateurs use skeps to hold swarms until they can find something > > better to do with them. > > And some professionals still use skeps for keeping the bees. > > > They are outdated. > > That depends on what you mean. There may be some additional difficulty in > handling the bees (swarming and mixing brood with honey comb), but I > suspect that the more 'natural' environs of a skep are less stressful to > the bees. I agree that they are not suitable for honey production in > today's legal climate. > > Couldn't help but join in the discussion - skeps are an obsession of mine. > I make them and use them for beekeeping (in Tudor style) for living > history and re-enactment displays (as well as the joy of it!). I've also > done some extensinve reading on the historical sources of beekeeping > (including Aristotle and Pliny). So, if you have any questions, mail me. > > Or you could point your web browser at: > > http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/skepFAQ/ > > be warned. It's nowhere near complete yet (doing it in my spare time), but > should be completed by the end of August. You wrote: > Skeps are a relic of history..... Relics certainly CAN be used to > accomplish what they did in theiy day, but given the better tools that > have evolved why woul one? Skeps certainly DO make an interesting > show piece, but they are best left for display without inhabitants. > Aaron Morris - thinking technology is a wonderful thing! Why not just make a chemical plant to create advanced honey substitute (tm) and be done with all those nasty low tech bees. My God, have you no soul? -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCPAzBVX74AAAEEANXA10mBmyoaLrU7aYz/8o93VaY4p+cJl+eAK0pIt/m9X1nK Drv/edboaWLxnx2L3L8Er/qRt1au+gk4FWE591zx6jv2TrJvWqBm/zQkaEnt9Pgk sgfjDleH8PoIuIJCC9I5jum1hObddewhcfvk8m8lUXn7bRlNfqmJI3HrZ0ddABEB AAG0Hk1pa2UgUmVkZHkgPG1yZWRkeUBnbGFtLmFjLnVrPg== =xTit -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From LKDC43C@prodigy.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: LKDC43C@prodigy.com (Ed Mishler) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida winter locations for northern bees Date: 30 Jul 1996 00:50:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tjm9b$a86@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap6-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 We are looking for northern beekeepers interested in keeping their bees alive this winter by shipping them to the south. All hives will be alive and well come spring. We can negotiate the terms of the deal. - ED CRAFT LKDC43C@prodigy.com From .,@compuserve.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <.,@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A ? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 30 Jul 1996 18:33:46 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4tlkia$r8e@arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld15-110.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 329 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? can anyone suuggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? thanks chula & elaine From .,@compuserve.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <.,@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A ? ABOUT BE BEHAVIOUR Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:40:41 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4tlofp$3tr@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld01-063.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: CLUSTER Content-length: 329 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? can anyone suuggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? thanks chula & elaine From .,@compuserve.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <.,@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:50:29 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4tlp25$472@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld36-160.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: CLUSTER Content-length: 329 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? can anyone suuggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? thanks chula & elaine From 100424,2323.,@compuserve.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <100424,2323.,@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A ? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:57:01 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4tlped$t82@arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld36-160.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: CLUSTER Content-length: 329 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? can anyone suuggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? thanks chula & elaine From jryan@advtech.uswest.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!news.advtech.uswest.com!usenet From: Jenny Ryan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BE BEHAVIOUR Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:01:39 -0600 Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31FE9453.ABD322C@advtech.uswest.com> References: <4tlofp$3tr@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: intrigue.advtech.uswest.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) To: ".,"@compuserve.com From Esavulis@Anthro.umass.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!caen!umass.edu!nic.umass.edu!usenet From: Ellen-Rose Savulis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new colonies in New England Date: 30 Jul 1996 23:47:31 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4tm6uj$qb3@nic.umass.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nscs22p9.remote.umass.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Greetings! I am a backyard beekeeper who has "volunteered" to help a local farmer work 20 plus hives this summer. I am learning more everyday and am really enjoying the experience. I recently heard that these new colonies were abandoned by the original migratory beekeeper this summer and I only got the second deep supers put on ony a week ago. They were honey-bound and quite strong. I have some questions about late summer/fall management which I would appreciate some help with. My objective is to have very strong colonies for pollenation purposes next spring. The farmer I'm working with wants to get some honey from the colonies. However, I'm inclined to start medicating right away. Is there still time to get honey from these new hives or would it be better to be more conservative in my approach? When is the latest that I should start medicating? I'd appreciate any suggestions. Personal email is fine. Thanks! Ellen-Rose Savulis esavulis@anthro.umass.edu From Esavulis@Anthro.umass.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!caen!umass.edu!nic.umass.edu!usenet From: Ellen-Rose Savulis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new colonies in New England Date: 30 Jul 1996 23:48:14 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4tm6vu$qb3@nic.umass.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nscs22p9.remote.umass.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Greetings! I am a backyard beekeeper who has "volunteered" to help a local farmer work 20 plus hives this summer. I am learning more everyday and am really enjoying the experience. I recently heard that these new colonies were abandoned by the original migratory beekeeper this summer and I only got the second deep supers put on ony a week ago. They were honey-bound and quite strong. I have some questions about late summer/fall management which I would appreciate some help with. My objective is to have very strong colonies for pollenation purposes next spring. The farmer I'm working with wants to get some honey from the colonies. However, I'm inclined to start medicating right away. Is there still time to get honey from these new hives or would it be better to be more conservative in my approach? When is the latest that I should start medicating? I'd appreciate any suggestions. Personal email is fine. Thanks! Ellen-Rose Savulis esavulis@anthro.umass.edu From jac@silvercity.mv.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: First year honey production in the Northeast Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:30:20 GMT References: <01bb7cdd.15f33e60$6aed77ce@dennishome> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Boy, that really narrows it down. Northeast. CT,NH,ME,MA, and are we counting Rhode Island or not? The flow from state to state varies so drastically one can't even begin to give you an answer. Here in "cowhampsha", the state gives the average at 30lbs per colony surplus. That can vary by plus or minus 100lbs, either way, depending on about a dozen factors. How about posting what state you live in and maybe a beekeeper in your vicinity can give you a better guesstimate. If you wait until September to pull off any surplus and put on your Apistan, you'll probably be ordering another package next spring. Mid August would be a better time to start treatment. Jon C. - Silver City Apiaries, in; "live,freeze and die", NH (it's better on the border) From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 3 10:31:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:19:21 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4tmcap$a6@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4tlofp$3tr@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: .,@compuserve.com Your bees may be hot or crowded. Place a 3/8 in stick under the intercover and it should help. Ken From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 3 10:31:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:20:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4tmcdj$a6@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4tlofp$3tr@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: .,@compuserve.com Your bees may be hot or crowded. Place a 3/8 in stick under the intercover and it should help. Ken From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 3 10:31:18 EDT 1996 Article: 5068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:22:34 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4tmcgq$a6@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4tlofp$3tr@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: .,@compuserve.com Your bees may be hot or crowded. Place a 3/8 inch stick or piece of wood under the intercover and that should help. KEN From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 3 10:31:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:26:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4tmcnk$a6@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4tlp25$472@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: .,@compuserve.com Your bees may be hot or crowded. Place a small 3/8 inch piece of wood under the intercover and should help. KEN From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 3 10:31:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old age Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:40:03 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4tmdhj$8hb@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 230.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) Sorry about the 4 copies. Lightening got the last one computer and old age can't get the hang of this new one. KEN From ba772@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Aug 3 10:31:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!cunews!freenet-news.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ba772 From: ba772@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (V. Goss) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on "Bloom" formed on beeswax. Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:43:54 GMT Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 12 Sender: ba772@freenet.carleton.ca (V. Goss) Message-ID: <4tiina$8ld@freenet-news.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.carleton.ca I am crafter trying to find a solution for the dusty coating that forms on beeswax. I know that you can buff the surface or heat it . I am researching the cause of it and a more permanent solution for this. Any help is appreciated. thanks -- Vesna Ottawa, On, Canada From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 11:59:30 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4tnhr2$bkj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4tlofp$3tr@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> <4tmcap$a6@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4tmcap$a6@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, KEN LAWRENCE wrote: >Your bees may be hot or crowded. Place a 3/8 in stick under the >intercover and it should help. Or, they might be recirculating air, to concentrate the nectar they have collected, or they might just be outside. Nothing is wrong with your bees. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:31:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 12:21:58 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4tnj56$ii6@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4tlkia$r8e@arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin055.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: .,@compuserve.com Bees sometimes clusters on the frontside of the hive if it is a hot day and they have nothing to do (no honeyflow). This may have the following effects: -The coat of bees on the front of the hive reduce direct heating of the hive. -The bees outside won´t heat the hive by their bodytemperature (musclemovement). Even if it is very hot, bees are able to regulate the temperature inside the hive. For this work they need water, which is evaporated inside the hive and reduce the heat inside. Usually a number of bees stands infront the entrance, moving their wings to blow fresh air inside the hive or hot air outside. So you have only to make sure that there is a water aviable. Good luck Ulli From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Aug 3 10:31:25 EDT 1996 Article: 5074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 31 Jul 1996 12:23:01 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4tnj75$ii6@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4tlkia$r8e@arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin055.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: 100424,2323.,@compuserve.com Bees sometimes clusters on the frontside of the hive if it is a hot day and they have nothing to do (no honeyflow). This may have the following effects: -The coat of bees on the front of the hive reduce direct heating of the hive. -The bees outside won´t heat the hive by their bodytemperature (musclemovement). Even if it is very hot, bees are able to regulate the temperature inside the hive. For this work they need water, which is evaporated inside the hive and reduce the heat inside. Usually a number of bees stands infront the entrance, moving their wings to blow fresh air inside the hive or hot air outside. So you have only to make sure that there is a water aviable. Good luck Ulli From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First year honey production in the Northeast Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 08:33:55 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 81 Message-ID: <177D57875S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bb7cdd.15f33e60$6aed77ce@dennishome> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <01bb7cdd.15f33e60$6aed77ce@dennishome> "The O'Keefe's" writes: > >This is our first year with bees. Welcome to the world of bees! Truly fascinating, no? >I was hoping that someone in the Northeast US can tell us how much >honey we can expect. Well, Northeast US puts you east of the Mississippi and north of the Mason/Dixon line. Hmmmm, where might that be? In these parts of the Northeast (upstate NY) one can usually expect to harvest from a first year hive started from packaged bees early in the spring and fed regularlly through the onset of the major summer honeyflow (mid June) perhaps a shallow super, maybe two if the bees are exceptional or the honeyflow is better than average. Now, this year has not been typical. A rainy wet spring and high demand for bees pushed back delivery of packages later than I have ever experienced. Packages requested for tax day (April 15) didn't arrive until early to mid May and good forage weather didn't start until the first week in June. However, I was fortunate to have hives fully stocked with stores from colonies that succumbed to varroa at the end of last summer. Packages installed in those fully stocked hives took right off and have brought in a prodigious crop so far, with expectations of much more! The wet spring gave way to a cooler and wetter than normal, but to my tastes a perfect summer, with plenty of comfortable humidity free days and sufficient rainfall so that the honeyflow has extended way past what is normal. Clover is usually sunburned dry by now, but this year it continues to bloom and forage abounds everywhere! This time last year everything was drought parched and the only good forage to be found was purple loosestrife, and that was only if your hives were located near a waterway where loosestrife had invaded. >The hive is strong and we added the honey super with foundation on >July 7 I don't know how your hive was building up, but for an established hive (which yours will be next year), July 7 is a bit later to be supering. Early to mid June is a better time in this part of the northeast. >and as of last weekend we had about 1.5 frames drawn and honey in them >(but not capped). Sounds like your hive is following the average. I suspect you may have not fed your bees for as long as you could have to help them build up, but again, it sounds like your hive is in the average range. >What are our chances of getting any honey this late in the season? Is >this late for our season? In a normal year this is the time when the early flow has wound down. However, this season the flow is continuing strongly past its normal end. Clover continues, loosestrife is coming on strong, and wild flower forage is everywhere! >I figure we'll take the super off around the first of September or so >- honey or not. Before mites, September 1 harvest was early. That's about the middle to peak of the fall flow (goldenrod and asters). Mid September (3rd weekend) used to be a good target date for fall harvest. Now that mites have hit the scene, Sept 1 is late and sucessful beekeepers are harvesting in mid August, treating for mites, and foregoing the fall flow. THIS season, in these parts, mites have not been reported and I have not seen any personally, so it may be possible to harvest the fall flow and still treat before winter sets in (harvest mid September, install Apistan strips, remove the strips around Thanksgiving). However, before I follow that strategy I'll ether roll my hives to make sure that varroa is not a problem. Only then will I gamble on the fall harvest. It's better to skip the fall flow and have bees in the spring than to harvest and have naught in '97. However, right now mites have not been a problem (I've kept grease patties in my hives throughout the summer to protect against tracheal mites) and I'm guardedly optimistic for a good fall flow if my hives test negative for varroa. The summer weather has been perfect, and if it continues the fall crop should be exceptional! >suggestions? If your part of the northeast is close enough to my part of the northeast, consider becomming a member of the Southern Adirondack Beekeepers Association. If not, find an association in your locality (many are represented on this newsgroup). The tips and comradery of a local association are invaluable! Sincerely, Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From AAEHEGV@snds.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:27 EDT 1996 Article: 5076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.dgsys.com!en.com!op.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!uniserve!n2van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for used bee equipment in Hawaii Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:02:11 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 3 Message-ID: <31FF9193.483C@snds.com> References: <4th7tg$fii@nuhou.aloha.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Check with Walter Patton on the Big Island. He's a frequent contributer to BEE-L message traffic, but I can't find his email address right now. He has a bed & breakfast, which he advertises on the net also. From rodl@cat.co.za Sat Aug 3 10:31:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!hermes.is.co.za!news From: Rod Ladwig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamed Honey Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:47:37 +0200 Organization: No organisation supplied Lines: 12 Message-ID: <31FF8019.4229@cat.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.4.166.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) I have often wondered how a person makes creamed honey? Please post any commemts. Thanks -- **************************************************************** Rod Ladwig E-Mail: rodl@cat.co.za P.O. Box 2440 Pinetown Tel: 27 31 2669422 South Africa Fax: 27 31 2669474 3600 **************************************************************** From GCVisel@snds.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:29 EDT 1996 Article: 5078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: Looking for used bee equipment in Hawaii Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:23:27 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31FFB2AF.C41@snds.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Walter Patton's email is: Walter & Elisabeth Patton, 27-703 A Ka' ie'ie Rd., Papaikou HI.,96781 Ph./Fax. 808-964-5401 E-Mail hihoney@ilhawaii Beekeeper and Bed & Breakfast Owner in Hawaii http://www.alohamall.com/hamakua/hihoney.htm http://www.alohamall.com/hamakua/beeware.htm http://www.alohamall.com/hamakua/lamalani.htm From member8699@aol.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: member8699@aol.com (Member8699) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees&Ants in FL. Date: 31 Jul 1996 15:09:27 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4tob17$6rq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Hello, I would like to know if anybody else is from FL. with any helpfull info on a safe way to get rid of bull ants they are starting to become a pain in the ass. I had a week colony hear at the house feeding them then last week i came home from work they had found them and attacked lost the intire hive. E-mail to: member8699@aol.com artec@msn.com Let the honey flow!!!!! Thanks!!!!! From cbstroc@brunel.ac.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!nntp0.brunel.ac.uk!uni-pc-01 From: cbstroc@brunel.ac.uk (Rupert Connelly) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Subject: BEES Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 19:28:52 GMT Organization: Brunel University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4tocir$af2@mimas.brunel.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uni-pc-01.brunel.ac.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? can anyone suggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? thanks chula & elaine 100424.2333@CompuServe.COM From newleif@aol.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: newleif@aol.com (NewLeif) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Record Keeping Date: 31 Jul 1996 16:21:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4tof8g$8tn@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: newleif@aol.com (NewLeif) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I have 80 hives and keep my books and budget on Microsoft ACCESS and EXCEL respectivly. I also have a Business plan which has been published by the OR State Beekeepers Assn. Beeline which is available on MS Word. Works for me! From tim@magick.net Sat Aug 3 10:31:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.goodnet.com!news.magick.net!news From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aprox. 3k pounds of Honey to sell. southern oregon usa. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:36:56 GMT Organization: A Red Hat Commercial Linux Site Lines: 21 Message-ID: <31fed477.5970841@news.magick.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp27.gpm1.magick.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Well my colonies finally gave a little. Now that its extracted I would like to know about what price to expect as a lot sale. Grade? Its mostly blackberry +vetch, add clover, madrone,some mustard and wildflower. It is in one drum and rest 4gal buckets. the color is a mix of very lite golden to a lite reddish amber with none darker than what i see packed in the grocery store and the darkest bucket matching Sue Bees premium clover in color(redish amber by my eyes) ?Perhaps a 40/60 (respectively) mix in color. Filtered Thru a fine nylon mesh after about 3hrs in the sun(in 4gal buckets). No other heating in processing. Anyone in oregon interested in making an offer or offering opinions? To get a better price, would i need to seprate the lite and dark and get it graded?Need it all be in drums? If I'm lucky, i'll get a bit of late starthisell honey. Where does this honey lay in the value range to packers?? Know of a web site that has such info?? tim@magick.net From nancybern@aol.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nancybern@aol.com (NancyBern) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: tv commercial Date: 31 Jul 1996 17:04:34 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4tohp2$a0e@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: nancybern@aol.com (NancyBern) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am producing a tv commercial for chase manhattan bank. We need to rent some bees and hives for the shoot. Anyone interested and living in the New York area, please call 212-794-1300. Ask for Jim or Nancy. Thanks. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 7/96 Date: 31 Jul 1996 22:35:22 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 253 Message-ID: <4ton3a$rre@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: July _Apis_ Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanford Magazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 14, Number 7, July 1996 Copyright (c) 1996 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" THE APIS-L LIST--APIS GOES INTERACTIVE Electronic delivery of this newsletter has changed not only how it is distributed, but the very nature of the publication itself (see December 1995 APIS). Originally it was a paper document carrying on the tradition of information delivery begun back in the 1950s. I began to send out the newsletter as electronic copy in 1984 on BITNET (Because It's Time Network) which has now been retired in favor of the Internet. It was a short-year-and-a-half ago (see January 1994 APIS) that I noticed it was being collected at several Gopher sites around the country. All back issues are now mounted on our site at the College of Agriculture (IFAS): (gopher://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/11gopher_root3%3a%5bdatabase%5d). One added advantage of this (for IFAS ONLINE users only at the moment) is that it is keyword searchable. In October 1994, I reported that this publication had its own World Wide Web site: (http://www.gnv.ifas.ufl/~entweb/apis/apis.htm). This makes it possible to follow certain topics by linking to past issues. In spite of these archives, I continue to get requests from around the world to receive the newsletter electronically as it is published. In accordance with its mission (see June 1996 APIS), this newsletter is still available in a paper version to residents of Florida only and can be requested in writing or by telephone, either through county agents or this office. The paper edition is sent to about 800 subscribers, down from its high of 1,800 in 1972. I have also maintained a list of those asking for the electronic copy and have routinely delivered each issue to the BEE-L discussion list (BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU), which has more than 450 subscribers and several other lists. To make it easier to comply with requests for the electronic version and to take the APIS traffic off other lists, I have resorted to an automatic list manager at the Northeast Regional Data Center (NERDC) on this campus. Anyone around the globe can now automatically subscribe to this newsletter electronically via the Internet. During the two weeks after my preliminary announcement, some 155 persons had already added themselves to the list. It's easy to do. Send an electronic message to: LISTSERV@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU, and on the first line of text, enter the following: subscribe Apis-L First Name Last Name You should receive a verification message to send back. After that, the listserver will send a final confirmation that you are added to the list. Using the Apis-L list has advantages. I no longer have to keep up with requests for subscriptions and deletions; interested persons can subscribe or unsubscribe at will; other lists do not have to carry full issues of the newsletter. The listserv program also gives subscribers other options, including reviewing the subscription list to find e-mail addresses. Anyone on the list can also send a message out to everyone else, providing an opportunity for subscribers themselves to add to and comment on the newsletter's contents. Finally, I, or any other subscriber, can send occasional tidbits of information to the list which I might add to the paper edition. I did this recently, reporting informally on my recent trip to Uruguay and Brazil in conjunction with bee meetings. There are some downsides to using a listserv. Although the technology has been around awhile, many people still don't use it correctly. Those new to the automatic discussion list concept inevitably make errors and violate list "netiquette" as they learn its use Because an unthinking machine is managing the list, self-interested subscribers can take over the list for their own purposes. This is particularly true for those who engage in "spamming," sending out commercial messages to huge numbers of people whether they want them or not. Electronic junk mail may also be generated by subscribers who purposely or naively monopolize the list to espouse their own points of view. As a consequence, here are some initial guidelines for the Apis-L list that I'm asking subscribers to adhere to: 1. Use the list only to comment about specific topics mentioned in the APIS newsletter. Please don't submit general beekeeping questions or queries. These should be sent to either the BEE-L or the USENET group (alt.agriculture.beekeeping), which are designed to handle these kinds of things. (sci. sci. sci. Adam) 2. Use the "reply" button with care; this command will usually send your message and a copy of what you receive. I have received thank you notes for sending the newsletter, for example. However, a full copy of the APIS issue for which I am being thanked was attached. In order to see the one word "thanks," I have had to page through six screens. Besides the annoyance, some subscribers may have to pay for every word received from the list. They could wind up paying the APIS electronic freight a huge number of times! Beyond automated delivery, implementing the Apis-L list could be a huge change for author and subscribers. In the past the paper edition, authored by myself, was a one-sided view of events. Now, however, the readership is able to become more involved; the newsletter can be more "interactive." As an example, I plan to submit the newsletter first to the list for feedback before issuing the final paper copy. Subscribers will, therefore, have a chance to correct any errors or add important points before the paper and World Wide Web editions are published. In essence, the electronic readership will now have more "ownership" of the document. These are privileges and responsibilities not to be taken lightly, however. I will be interested to see how the readership responds. MORE ON DOMESTICATION Beyond the communication I got asking whether honey bee domestication was relevant to my audience (see April and June 1996 APIS), I also received notes from several folks who were intrigued with the topic. Jennie Bester (Jbester@idpr1.agric.za) in Zambia quoted from a book, Domesticated Animals from Early Times by Juliet Clutton-Brock, published by British Museum (Natural History), London and William Heinemann Ltd., 10 Upper Grosvenor Street, London W1X9PA in 1981, concerning the criteria for domestication. She said these were proposed by Francis Galton about 1865 and are still used today by archeozoologists. Candidate organisms should: 1. Be hardy, requiring minimum care. 2. Have an inborn liking for humans; be a social animal whose behavioral patterns are based on a dominance hierarchy so that it will accept man as the leader, and will remain imprinted on him in adult life. 3. Be comfort-loving and not be adapted for instant flight as are, for example, many members of the antelope, gazelle and deer families. These animals will not feed or breed readily if constrained in a pen or herded too close together. 4. Be found useful. 5. Breed freely, a necessary factor for successful domestication, as can be seen from the difficulty of maintaining breeding colonies of many species in zoos, even under the most favorable conditions. 6. Be easy to tend. The honey bee fits most of the above points. I wonder what most readers think about numbers two and three. In the end, however, the insect may not qualify, as Ms. Bester further quotes Galton: "A man irritates a dog by an ordinary laugh, he frightens him by an angry look, or he calms him by a kindly bearing; but he has less spontaneous hold over an ox or a sheep. He must study their ways and tutor his behavior before he can understand the feeling of those animals or make his own intelligible to them. He has no natural power at all over many other creatures. Who for instance, ever succeeded in frowning away a mosquito, or in pacifying an angry wasp by a smile." Perhaps, Ms. Bester concludes, the honey bee is merely an endangered species dependant on humans for its survival. NATIONAL HONEY BOARD REFERENDUM Next month is set for the third National Honey Board referendum. Formal notice was published in the Federal Register on July 2. Ballots will be mailed to known producers, producer- packers and honey importers in July; voting will take place between the first and 31st of August. Those eligible must have done business from January 1, 1994 through December 31, 1995. If you do not receive a ballot and are eligible, contact Richard Schultz, Research and Promotion Branch, Fruit and Vegetable Division, Agriculture Marketing Service, USDA, Room 2535-S, P.O. Box 96456, Washington, DC 20090-6456, tel 202/720-5976. In two previous referendums, according to Mr. Troy Fore, Secretary-Treasurer of the American Beekeeping Federation, the National Honey Board has received widespread support. Initial approval of the Board in 1986 was voted by 87.5 percent of those voting, representing 87.3 percent of honey produced and imported by all voters. The followup vote in 1991 was even more supportive; 90.73 percent of voters approved continuation. They represented 89.01 percent of honey produced and imported by all those voting. These favorable ratings are also found in other commodity programs. In his March/April 1996 newsletter, Mr. Fore relayed the results of a survey by The Agricultural Issues Forum made up of 15 different California commodity organizations. Eighty-one percent of farmers and public policy leaders found mandated programs to be "very important" or "important" for doing research, responding to legislative/regulatory issues and providing information to farmers and advertisers. The overriding conclusion was that commodity organizations serve a vital communications link between producers and consumers. For voters who need more information, I recommend the Official National Honey Board Handbook. This document discusses the history of the organization and shows in graphic detail the rise in retail honey prices since the Board was formed. In 1986, 60 million pounds were sold in the United States. Ever since, however, there has been an annual increase in most years, reaching a high of 90 million pounds sold on the retail market in 1995. The Handbook lists the following efforts that have contributed to much of this increased demand: full-color advertisements in many national magazines; new and improved uses for honey; affordable marketing materials; recipes, press releases and photographs; honey hotline information; regular newsletter; market research; and others. The results of many of these efforts have been reported in the pages of this newsletter (see February and March 1995 APIS). A breakdown of the funding for the Board is also shown in the Handbook: Advertising and Public Relations 51.5% Product Research and Technology 21.2% Office Expenses 9.2% Export Marketing 8.7% Industry Relations 4.5% Board Expenses 2.8% USDA Expenses 2.2% Finally, the publication concludes with a list of things it cannot do based on its charter. These include: lobbying Congress directly, suggesting how much producers should charge for honey, and setting quality standards for honey. For a copy of the Handbook, send a request to the Board, 390 Lashley St., Longmont, CO 80501-6045, ph 800/553-7162. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1996 "All Rights Reserved" -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:18:40 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4tlp25$472@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4tlp25$472@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com>, ?.?@compuserve.com writes > > >can anyone suuggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? > >thanks > >chula & elaine I do not know what part of London you live in but here is the lLondon beekeepers association number N Morris 0171 249 6800. Bee Craft is a very good mag to read Tel Mrs White 01342 712119. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers' Association > -- Graham Loveridge From rvo@pip.dknet.dk Sat Aug 3 10:31:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!biosci!biosci!not-for-mail From: rvo@pip.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard) Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture,sci.bio.ecology,misc.rural,bionet.agroforestry,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ifoam'96 - Book of Abstracts on-line now! Date: 31 Jul 1996 21:25:38 -0700 Organization: (none) Lines: 33 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tnp4c$6sv@news.dknet.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.sustainable.agriculture:13939 alt.agriculture.fruit:3017 sci.agriculture:13286 sci.bio.ecology:21522 misc.rural:31239 bionet.agroforestry:3291 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5086 The complete Book of Abstracts for the 11th IFOAM Scientific Conference, to be held in Copenhagen, Denmark 11-15 August 1996 is now on-line. If You have not yet registered for this important event, check out what You will miss and rush Your registration to the ifoam'96 secretariat - better today than tomorrow: ifoam'96 Blegdamsvej 4 DK-2200 Copenhagen Denmark Email: ifoam96@login.dknet.dk Web: http://login.dknet.dk/~ifoam96/ If You have already registered for the conference, thank You! We look forward to see You here in Copenhagen. 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Go directly to: http://ecoweb.dk/english/ifoam/conf96/index.html Thanks for Your time, see You in Copenhagen! - ifoam'96 ifoam96@login.dknet.dk From jeffs@daknet.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.tcd.net!news From: jeffs@daknet.com (Jeff Schlenker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Subject: BEES Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 03:30:02 GMT Organization: NETConnect, Utah Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4tp8d0$q6c@news.tcd.net> References: <4tocir$af2@mimas.brunel.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip12.daknet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 cbstroc@brunel.ac.uk (Rupert Connelly) wrote: >we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible >problem? >Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on >the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? The bees will do that when I gets hot during the day.... It might help to put another super on, but it's nothing to worry about. Jeff ==================================================== Jeff Schlenker jeffs@daknet.com Hazel, South Dakota http://daknet.com/~jeffs ==================================================== From ccgammon@awinc.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!laslo.netnet.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming then queenless Date: 1 Aug 1996 04:58:18 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tpdha$782@kryten.awinc.com> References: <9607261708542215@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes15.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I'm in British Columbia, Canada, near the city of Vancouver (not Vancouver, Washington), and I caught a swarm the night of July 22. I checked it out tonight, expecting to find eggs and unsealed larva. Guess what? No queen! From all indications, there may never have been one, though I am considering the possibility that a bird may have gotten her while the swarm was in flight. Can other beekeepers who have experienced queenless swarms give their experiences and comments? This is most unusual and surprising! Craig G. From fckemper@noord.bart.nl Sat Aug 3 10:31:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!surfnet.nl!lava.ivg.com!usenet From: Frans Kemper Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 14:22:06 +0200 Organization: bART Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3200A16E.1552@noord.bart.nl> References: <31FF8019.4229@cat.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: asyn03.gn5.noord.bart.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Rod Ladwig wrote: > > I have often wondered how a person makes creamed honey? Please post > any commemts. > > Thanks > -- > **************************************************************** > Rod Ladwig E-Mail: rodl@cat.co.za > P.O. Box 2440 > Pinetown Tel: 27 31 2669422 > South Africa Fax: 27 31 2669474 > 3600 > **************************************************************** The fastest way I know is: - Wait until the honey starts to crystallize. Check dailly because if you are to late it will not work. - Stir the honey firmly. I use an electric drill with a special honey-stirring-rod. - If you do this dailly, until the honey is fully cristallized you will get creamed-honey. If you have some creamed-honey, you can speed up the starting of the critallization. You then take half a pound of creamed-honey in a 24 pound bucket and start stirring from that moment on. By the way: It won't work on honey-types who normally do not cristallize. Good luck Frans Kemper Holland From mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplntx!hplb!mdr From: mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Sender: news@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Usenet News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:30:14 GMT References: <4tlkia$r8e@arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rsmith.hpl.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0.7] Lines: 27 .,@compuserve.com wrote: > we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? > Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? No problem. Bees often do this, particularly if they are in strong colonies in hot weather. The behaviour is concerned with regulating the temperature/humidity in the hive. I've known thousands of bees "hanging out" under the right conditions. > can anyone suuggest any good news groups relevant to bee keeping in the UK? This is the only news group you've got. There are a number of regular British contributers. CIX has a beekeeping conference you could try and, in the London area, it'll only cost you a local phone call. However, I'm told it's not very active. There is also the Beenet BBS. I know even less about this except that the British branch is run by Steve Turner in, I believe, Catford. Connect by dialing (0181) 695 5328. -- Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Bristol Filton Road, Stoke Gifford, Bristol, BS12 6QZ, UK Tel: +44 117 922 9331 Fax: +44 117 922 8128 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination Book BEST SEL Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608011700202237@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 26 Getting on the Band Wagon Publishers are quick to react to the adverse information ruminating from inside the bee industry on the decline of the honeybee in America with new promotions on the pending disaster. The SF CHRONICLE's Best Seller list for July 28 includes as 15th on the non-fiction list a title, THE FORGOTTEN POLLINATORS, by Stephen Buchmann & Gary Paul Nabham, (302 pages $25.,Island). "Insecticides are killing off creatures that pollinate crops". Anyone interested can order this book or any other beekeeping book in print via internet e-mail by requesting it from beebooks@beenet.com, include your CC information and I will confirm your order and shipping information. Another book that has just come out in a new edition is THE NATURAL HISTORY OF POLLINATION, by Michael Proctor, Peter Yeo & Andrew Lack. This is a new edition of the "Pollination of Flower, originally published in 1973. A must have reference book on pollination by insects, and all the wonderful ways nature gets this job done. (487 pages, 45 color and 216 b/w pictures, and 131 drawings, plus 39 tables), a 6x8 1/4 hard cover for $42.95 or 24.95 paperback. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My first post and FLAME rebuttttle ! Date: 1 Aug 1996 18:37:34 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 62 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tqthe$iqa@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu ***************************************************************************** Article 4808 (11 more) in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Walton Subject: Re: i'm gonna keep testing till i get it right ! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:45:27 +0100 ---------snip >In article <4t871e$jod@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, "Joel B. Kirkpatrick" > writes > >Then, *PLEASE* do it some place else. There are a number of "test" >newsgroups that are there specifically for this purpose. Please don't >waste our time by forcing us to download your tests (not even just the >headers). > >If you are having problems with your software, then I suggest you get in >touch with the vendor. If not .................. expletives here>. > >-- >Paul Walton >Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk >Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. >Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 >End of article 4808 (of 4819)--what next? [npq ***************************************************************************** Reply to : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk having been stung by 27 bees in the throat and face one night ( while moving five rather large hives ) when a tree limb ripped open the visor screen on my suit... your FLAME seems mild. thanks for the comment ENGLAND !!! but keep your buck-fast to yourself. why don't you flame those pyramid guys with their $$$QUICK CASH$$$ schemes... Article 4812 (7 more) in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Brandon Tyree Subject: $$$QUICK CASH$$$ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:05:33 -0700 now there's a waist of space from a REAL beekeeper ! "Like... get a new hard drive... if you can't handle the 5-10 postings a day on this newsgroup !" joel *************************************************************bviously repressed ENGLISHMAN ! as a matter of fact i DO like that lil bee from England... and respect with great humility the man who developed it. i have several video's of his work. anyway, HELLO to all... now that i finally figured it out ! it's been a bad year hear in central Texas... with the drought and all... hope all who are reading this are having a barrel busting year. i hope and pray that it will be better next year. joel From bbirkey@interaccess.com Sat Aug 3 10:31:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.postech.ac.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!ames!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first post and FLAME rebuttttle ! Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:40:38 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 84 Message-ID: <32014E86.2177@interaccess.com> References: <4tqthe$iqa@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d142.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Joel B. Kirkpatrick wrote: > > ***************************************************************************** > Article 4808 (11 more) in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: > From: Paul Walton > Subject: Re: i'm gonna keep testing till i get it right ! > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:45:27 +0100 > ---------snip > >In article <4t871e$jod@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, "Joel B. Kirkpatrick" > > writes > > > >Then, *PLEASE* do it some place else. There are a number of "test" > >newsgroups that are there specifically for this purpose. Please don't > >waste our time by forcing us to download your tests (not even just the > >headers). > > > >If you are having problems with your software, then I suggest you get in > >touch with the vendor. If not .................. >expletives here>. > > > >-- > >Paul Walton > >Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk > >Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. > >Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 > >End of article 4808 (of 4819)--what next? [npq > ***************************************************************************** > Reply to : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk > > having been stung by 27 bees in the throat and face one night > ( while moving five rather large hives ) when a tree limb > ripped open the visor screen on my suit... > your FLAME seems mild. > > thanks for the comment ENGLAND !!! but keep your buck-fast to yourself. > > why don't you flame those pyramid guys with their $$$QUICK CASH$$$ > schemes... > > Article 4812 (7 more) in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: > From: Brandon Tyree > Subject: $$$QUICK CASH$$$ > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:05:33 -0700 > > now there's a waist of space from a REAL beekeeper ! > > "Like... get a new hard drive... if you can't handle the 5-10 postings > a day on this newsgroup !" > > joel > *************************************************************bviously > repressed ENGLISHMAN ! > > as a matter of fact i DO like that lil bee from England... and respect with > great humility the man who developed it. i have several video's of his work. > > anyway, HELLO to all... now that i finally figured it out ! > > it's been a bad year hear in central Texas... with the drought and all... > hope all who are reading this are having a barrel busting year. > i hope and pray that it will be better next year. > > joel Joel- Welcome to the group. There are many different people in this group and opinions come in all shapes and sizes. I find it unfortunate that there can be little tolorance at times from some people but that's the way it is. I certianly don't want things to get to a point where we start jabbing at each others nationality. Hopefully we can all keep the talk to bees which is why we are all logging into this group in the first place. It doesn't seem that too many people are having a barrel busting year. I personally haven't had any problems with mites this year. I treated once last fall with Apistan and levels are still very low. It looks like we might get an extended flow this summer due to all the rain and cool weather...that would help alot. I hope I don't step on anyones toes for using the bandwidth to respond to your post. Too bad if I do! -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinios USA bbirkey@interaccess.com From rodl@cat.co.za Sat Aug 3 10:31:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!hermes.is.co.za!news From: Rod Ladwig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Disease in Honey Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 11:51:33 +0200 Organization: No organisation supplied Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3201CFA5.4D75@cat.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.4.166.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) I would like to know if anyone has done any research in if bee or any other diseases can be transmitted through raw honey? If there are any diseases what is the relevent treatment? -- **************************************************************** Rod Ladwig E-Mail: rodl@cat.co.za P.O. Box 2440 Pinetown Tel: 27 31 2669422 South Africa Fax: 27 31 2669474 3600 **************************************************************** From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 3 10:31:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first post and FLAME rebuttttle ! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:28:18 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 89 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4tqthe$iqa@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <4tqthe$iqa@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, "Joel B. Kirkpatrick" writes >***************************************************************************** >Article 4808 (11 more) in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: >From: Paul Walton >Subject: Re: i'm gonna keep testing till i get it right ! >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:45:27 +0100 >---------snip >>In article <4t871e$jod@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, "Joel B. Kirkpatrick" >> writes >> >>Then, *PLEASE* do it some place else. There are a number of "test" >>newsgroups that are there specifically for this purpose. Please don't >>waste our time by forcing us to download your tests (not even just the >>headers). >> >>If you are having problems with your software, then I suggest you get in >>touch with the vendor. If not .................. >expletives here>. >> >>-- >>Paul Walton >>Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk >>Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. >>Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 >>End of article 4808 (of 4819)--what next? [npq >***************************************************************************** >Reply to : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk > >having been stung by 27 bees in the throat and face one night >( while moving five rather large hives ) when a tree limb >ripped open the visor screen on my suit... >your FLAME seems mild. > >thanks for the comment ENGLAND !!! but keep your buck-fast to yourself. > >why don't you flame those pyramid guys with their $$$QUICK CASH$$$ >schemes... > > Article 4812 (7 more) in sci.agriculture.beekeeping: > From: Brandon Tyree > Subject: $$$QUICK CASH$$$ > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:05:33 -0700 > >now there's a waist of space from a REAL beekeeper ! > >"Like... get a new hard drive... if you can't handle the 5-10 postings >a day on this newsgroup !" > >joel >*************************************************************bviously >repressed ENGLISHMAN ! > >as a matter of fact i DO like that lil bee from England... and respect with >great humility the man who developed it. i have several video's of his work. > >anyway, HELLO to all... now that i finally figured it out ! > >it's been a bad year hear in central Texas... with the drought and all... >hope all who are reading this are having a barrel busting year. >i hope and pray that it will be better next year. > >joel > Joel, I *HATE* Email wars. Lets not start one here !!! The flame (if you want to call it that) was intended as a "polite" reminder that test mails should go to test newsgroups not live ones where they get picked up all over the world. You mentioned nothing about your bee sting incident (for which I do have sympathy) in your message. It was the arrogant tone (" >i'm gonna keep testing till i get it right ! ") which I objected to. In fact, I have had a number of mails from other people saying that I beat them to it. I also object to the "Get rich quick" spams that occassionally hit this newsgroup but I can't do anything about them (since it is often difficult to trace the originator). Anyway, I am glad to hear that you have got your software sorted out and look forward to some interesting bee-related discussions. After all, that is what this newsgroup is for. -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Sat Aug 3 10:31:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive plans Date: 2 Aug 1996 23:08:49 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 To all those that requested hive plans from me. I'm back from a week away from any electronic gizmos and will deal with your requests during the week of Aug 4. From J-Burton@outwest.gardnerville.nv.us Sat Aug 3 10:31:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.greatbasin.net!usenet From: J-Burton@outwest.gardnerville.nv.us (Jeff Burton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Installed/Feeder Sugar Water Date: 3 Aug 1996 01:06:24 GMT Organization: Great Basin Internet Services, Reno, NV Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tu8mg$7q3@news.greatbasin.net> References: <4ks8rc$gp1@tribune.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: outwest.gardnerville.nv.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 In article <4ks8rc$gp1@tribune.concentric.net>, johntrn1@cris.com says... > >It just doesn't seem to be going into solution. It settles out into >an inch and a half of sugar on the bottom of a quart jar. I would be >interested in suggestions for mixing, storing, etc. > I have never made that much at one time but if you make less you can boil the water then add the sugar wile its boiling From jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:53 EDT 1996 Article: 5098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu!jkirkpat From: jkirkpat@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Joel B. Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thanks barry; water, water, do you spray ? Date: 3 Aug 1996 01:09:42 GMT Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4tu8sm$5ac@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu well, thanks barry, nice welcome... again i apologize to the group and to the ENGLISHMAN ! i had been trying desperately to get some comments (anything would do) in on this and another newsgroup or two and was just about ready to KILL THE DOG !!! AND THE UNIX SYSOP !!! hahaha fortunately the dog found a good hiding place... sysop, no comment. ok, enough bs (not bull but bee)... and on to some bee stuff... does anyone use water instead of smoke ??? i have tried it recently, and as HOT as it has been here... the bees seem to like it. and a lil mist through my screen keeps me from turning into a lobster. bee happy, joel From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Aug 3 10:31:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A ? ABOUT BEE BEHAVIOUR Date: 3 Aug 1996 07:40:26 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4tuvpa$88a@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4tlkia$r8e@arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] .,@compuserve.com wrote: : we are new bee keepers living in London. can any one help us with a possible problem? : Every now and then, but at least once a day, up to 100 of our bees cluster on the outside of the hive near the entrance. Why is this? Hello, In addition to making sure water is available and placing a stick (or similar item) between the top cover and inner cover, make sure that the hive is not getting too much afternoon sun. Ideally they should be situated to receive morning sun and afternoon shade. Incidentally, it is not unremarkable to have *huge* amounts of bees hanging outside of strong hives even at night if temperatures are warm (e.g., Philadelphia, midnight, August, 80 degrees (F), 60%+ humidity). Dave T. From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Tue Sep 3 13:01:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.wwwi.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!uniserve!n2van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!Rezonet.net!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: when to extract? too late to rear queens? Date: 19 Aug 1996 17:57:31 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 I am not sure when to begin extracting honey. Should I wait until all the frames in a super are capped or can I be selective? Is it a problem to leave the honey in a hive for a few weeks? When a super is full is it better to put an empty super over or under the full super on a hive? Is it too late to start rearing queens? My hives are between Ottawa and Montreal. I want to increase the number of hives for next year. Thanks for your insight. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canadian Border Opened to US Bees? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608200748392360@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 69 *FYI* Interesting tread from the bee-list.. ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Dick Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 03:50:30 -0600 Subject: Canadian Border Opened to US Bees? Organization: The Beekeepers > The first varroa mites were detected in the UK on 4th April 1992. In > the South (Devon). Since then the infestation has been spreading > throughout the country. It has not yet reached the North of the > country. The point that I was trying to make was that when an area > becomes infested - for a year or two - beekeepers who do not treat > their infested bees sustain a reservoir of mites that will reinfest > the colonies of beekeepers who do treat their bees. After a year of > two, those beekeepers who do not treat their bees either give up > beekeeping because they no-longer have any bees to keep, or treat > their bees. I believe it is the experience of beekeepers in the UK > who kept bees in the areas that became infested first, found that > reinfestation was less of a problem a couple of years later. Here in Alberta, Canada, there is presently a move afoot to try to obtain imports of US mainland bee stock via packages by attempting to have the current border closure to US mainland bees set aside. At present, Alberta has a few small pockets of varroa, but is largely unaffected. Because bees are moved around from area to area somewhat discretely, and to a very limited extent, the spread has been slow. There is no migratory beekeeping to speak of and any spread that there has been is directly a result of what little there is. One arguement against free access to cheap California packages and queens is that is that some package buyers will revert to running the bees one season, and gassing them in the fall, rather than wintering. Many (all) currently successful beekeepers winter their bees. Since running packages is more of a box keeping business than beekeeping, they are expected to have a lower level of skill and knowledge (THis was the case in the past). The thought is that the packages are virtually certain to contain varroa that left untreated -- or gassed poorly or late -- will destroy the efforts of those who do not currently have varroa, or who do and who treat their hives, and are in the neighbourhood. Moreover these less knowledgeable beekeepers might well decide to overwinter packages that have not been treated and fail repeatedly with expensive effects on the more prudent neighbours. Moreover, it is thought that the US package producers have had trouble in recent years supplying even their domestic market in a timely fashion, and that opening the border would inflate the price of bees to both US and Canadian beekeepers to the point where the price becomes about the same as we are paying for bees from Australia and New Zealand anyhow. What are the thoughts of those on the list? MAybe the British experience and comments from the US might be germaine. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK RR#1, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Internet:dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net Honey. Bees, & Art From 101725.2361@compuserve.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <101725.2361@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Comb information Date: 20 Aug 1996 19:09:15 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4vd2gr$mpd@hil-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ld12-181.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 538 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 I am an engineer carrying out structural analyses of honeybee cells and combs. Up until now my data has been very approximate and I was hoping that someone could point me to appropriate references for the following .... (a) Structural material properties for wax ... eg constitutive relation, is it viscoelastic, bimodulus ? I do appreciate that it will be variable and temperature dependant. (b) Information on comb metrology .... shape, sizes, thicknesses. (c) Information on how precisely the bees build the cells and comb. From jchenry500@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wild comb outside hive Date: 20 Aug 1996 18:49:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vdfdl$cj2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com a couple of weeks ago I did some work in the hive and removed some wild comb. I suspect some of it fell around the hive. Today I noticed an unusually large number of bees outside the hive. After I smoked them, I realized they were working on a large piece of wild comb. They have attched it to the hive in three places. It looks like a handsized piece of brown coral. Is this unusual, should I just scrape it off and throw it away? From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Very agressive hive Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:11:32 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4vdnpo$kra@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bb8b66$ab6a0e00$6f3c10cb@drobb> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj3-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 20 6:12:24 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 "Pastor David Rees" wrote: >I have a very agressive hive and last time I checked it I was stung many >times and passed out from 50+ stings. I have to re queen in October and am >not looking forward to opening the hive.. of course i will put heavier >clothes on this time but if anyone has any ideas .. pls. This may seem very obvious, but I thought I'd post it anyway. Make sure it's a sunny, warm day; and not too early or late so that the majority of the field bees are out and about doing their thing. From tsmith@cclink.ivv.nasa.gov Tue Sep 3 13:01:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!agate!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!Polaris.ivv.nasa.gov!news From: Tom Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almost Full Text of http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm >>FORMULAS<< Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:56:08 -0400 Organization: NASA_Software_IV&V_Facility Lines: 524 Message-ID: <321A1858.104C@cclink.ivv.nasa.gov> References: <4v78i5$jep@hp.cuug.ab.ca> <4v8cr5$50i@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.164.50.126 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Adam Finkelstein wrote: > = > In article <4v78i5$jep@hp.cuug.ab.ca>, Allen Dick wrot= e: > >In article , > > nickhull@ (Nick Hull) wrote: > >>I saw the following in the news. Does anyone know where on the net > >this > >>info is posted? How about Arine's e-mail address? > > > >http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm I am very close to WVU and I had a hard time getting varroa.htm so I am = posting it: Letter to Editor, ABJ Preliminary Results of Research = Varroa Mite Control, 24 = June, 1996 Dear Editor, We have been working with Bob Noel, a beekeeper in Cumberland, Maryland, = since August, 1995. In our opinion, Bob has discovered an effective and economical control = for varroa mite (Varroa jacobsoni Oudemans (Acari: Varroidae)) and = probably also for tracheal mite (Acarapis woodi (Rennie) (Acari: Tarsonemidae)); we saw = very few tracheal mites in the hives examined. The following is a brief account of our work and preliminary findings = during the past year. In summer and fall of 1995, Bob fed syrups containing essential oils1 to = his bees, specifically wintergreen oil and spearmint oil. He mixed 10 to = 20 drops (1/2 to 1 cc, respectively) of the oils to 453.6 grams (one pound) of sugar in a = 0.95 liter (1 quart) jar, and hot water was added to fill the jar. This = syrup was then fed to the bees at the entrance using a standard boardman feeder. He applied the = two syrups to 14 hives as follows: spearmint oil to 5 colonies and = wintergreen to 9 colonies beginning in July and continuing until October. In July, 1995, several = of the colonies displayed typical PMS (parasitic mite syndrome): they = were suffering from mite viruses, such as CBPV, from sacbrood which was quite heavy, and the = brood pattern was scattered and incomplete, very similar to American = foul brood (AFB), however, none of the colonies had AFB. Many of the emerging workers were = small with shriveled wings and very small abdomens. Two of the colonies = were so weak in July that wax moths were attacking comb and brood. Syrups were = given ad lib and topped up daily. Bob assayed varroa mite populations by = opening sealed brood cells, both drone and worker, by observing emerging brood = and by directly observing varroa mite behavior. = Results: after using treated syrups for three weeks, Bob noticed = improved brood patterns, healthier bees, and reduced mite populations. = After 30 days of treatment (we inspected the colonies in August, 1995) varroa mites were = definitely in decline and the bees were considerably recovered from PMS. = On 21 September, we thoroughly inspected several hives; those that were = treated with syrups were virtually free of varroa mite, whereas = untreated control colonies in the area were heavily attacked by varroa mite, had typical PMS, and were = beginning to die off. In November 1995, Bob found that two of his bee yards (Oldtown, MD and = Kifer, MD) which were free of varroa mites in July and August, were = heavily infested with varroa mites (2-3 mites per adult bee). We believe that workers = >from collapsing feral colonies had joined with these colonies bringing = in enormous numbers of varroa mites. Bob treated some colonies with apistan strips and grease = patties (without essential oils) and others with grease patties = containing the following: four cups of granulated sugar, two cups of shortening and 4.8 cc's of = wintergreen oil. This mixture was made into 8 oz patties and placed one = per colony above the cluster. The following spring and early summer only a trace of varroa = mite could be found in the hives treated with the grease patties = containing wintergreen oil; several of the colonies treated only with apistan and standard grease = patties died out. = In May 1996, Bob devised the tracking strip method of varroa mite = control: strips of 1/8 in. plexiglass, 7.5 cm by 35.5 cm (3" by 14"), = were used as a support for a slurry made as follows: 4 parts mineral oil mixed with 1.5 parts = melted beeswax; this liquid was then poured into 4 oz. baby food jars to = which 2 cc's of patchouli oil and 2 cc's of wintergreen oil were added. Then =BD to 3 = teaspoons of the slurry were applied to the each tracking strip with = fingers, which were placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance of each colony. He began these = treatments early in May. The day after strips were applied, dead varroa = mites were found on the tracking strips--several dead mites per colony. = Bob's associate, Harry Mallow (a beekeeper for 30 years, former Maryland = bee inspector, and former president of the Maryland State Beekeepers = Association) treated one hive (his last surviving colony at beeyard No. 2) with the = tracking strip on 31 May, 1996 (double the dose of patchouli and = wintergreen oils; i.e., 4 cc of each oil in 4 ozs. of the slurry). On June 1st, both Harry and Bob = observed several 100's of dead varroa mites at the entrance, on and = around the strip. They returned on June 2nd to videotape the dead mites--most had been carried = off by ants, but several dozen dead mites still remained at the = entrance. Amrine inspected this colony on 6 June, 1996, and found very few live varroa = mites on workers in the hive (two were seen on 1000's of bees examined). = About 100 sealed drone cells were examined; several recently capped drone cells = contained 18 to 25 highly aggitated varroa mites--they ran around the = larva or pupa very rapidly and ran quickly onto and over the combs. It appears that at the = time of treatment they entered nearly capped drone cells as if they were = "bomb shelters" to avoid the tracking material. The older capped drone cells (with colored = pupae and capped before the treatment) contained normal numbers of = normally developing varroa mites. On June 6, 1996, Amrine inspected 12 of Bob Noel's colonies, in three = bee yards, and collected all varroa mites that could be found. About 100 = sealed drone cells and several worker cells were opened in each colony. Four sealed = drone cells were found infested with varroa at his "Rick's" bee yard in = Cumberland, MD: two in colony number 4, treated with a tracking strip containing the = mineral oil-beeswax slurry and 4 cc of patchouli oil in a baby food jar = (4 oz); and one each in colonies 2 and 3 which were treated with the same slurry containing 2 cc = of wintergreen oil and 2 cc of patchouli oil (in 4 oz.). Varroa mites = were not found in hive number 1 (same treatment as hives 2 and 3). We regard these numbers as a = trace infestation of varroa mites. (The same colonies were inspected by = Maryland bee inspector Dave Thomas, who found no live varroa mites on 18 May, = 1996). No deformed bees were found; there were 12 to 14 frames of brood = in each colony which were the best looking colonies we have seen in the last = three years. Inspection of the Kifer, MD bee yard resulted in finding only two sealed = drone cells with varroa mites (one each) out of 100 drone cells examined = (hive number 3). This hive had been treated only with grease patty + wintergreen oil in = November 1995, and a tracking strip (slurry made from 4 parts canola oil = + 1.5 parts melted beeswax and 2 cc of patchouli oil) was added 30 May 1996. The colonies = had two or three mites per adult bee in November, 1995. Inspection of the Oldtown, MD, bee yard resulted in finding 3 sealed = drone cells containing varroa mites out of 100 cells examined in each of = two colonies. These had been treated with grease patties containing wintergreen oil in = November 1995, and had received no other treatment. In November, the = colonies had two or three varroa mites per adult bee. Summary of Treatments: 1). Syrup: 10-20 drops of wintergreen or spearmint to one pound (453.6 = grams)of sugar in a quart jar (0.95 liter); hot water added to fill jar. 2). Grease patties: made with four cups of granulated sugar, two cups of = shortening and 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil. = 3). Tracking strips: strips of 1/8 in. plexiglass, 7.5 cm by 35.5 cm (3" = by 14"), were used as a base for holding a treated slurry made as = follows: 4 parts mineral oil mixed with 1.5 parts melted beeswax; this liquid was then poured = into 4 oz. baby food jars to which 2 cc's of patchouli oil and 2 cc's of = wintergreen oil were added. Then =BD to 3 teaspoons of the cooled slurry were applied to the = tracking strip which was placed lengthwise just inside the front = entrance of each colony. These treatments were repeated after 5 days: the old slurry, dead mites = and dead deformed bees were scraped off and new slurry added. = CONCLUSIONS: Bob Noel's experiments from July 1995 to the present have demonstrated = that essential oils in sugar syrup, grease patties and tracking strips = are able to greatly reduce populations of varroa mites in bee colonies. 1) Spearmint oil at = the rate of =BD to 1 cc per quart of syrup (1# of sugar) had the best = results when fed in July through October; wintergreen oil was less effective, but still highly = effective, in these experiments. 2) Grease patties containing 4.8 cc's = of wintergreen oil were very effective from November until April in reducing and nearly eliminating = varroa mites in heavily infested colonies treated in November. 3) = Tracking strips containing 2cc of patchouli oil and 2 cc of wintergreen oil (or 4 cc of patchouli = oil) are very effective in controlling varroa mites during spring build = up. 4) In all cases of successful treatments, the essential oils were delivered to the brood = nest of the treated colonies. The importance of this last observation = can not be overemphasized. Two experiments of ours support the importance of this = point. First, Harry Mallow began sugar syrup treatment of 16 colonies at his = bee yard No. 1 in September, 1995. He treated 8 colonies with syrup and = essential oils only (4 with 15 drops of wintergreen oil per pound of sugar, and 4 with 15 = drops of spearmint oil); the cans were placed at the top of the colonies = (in contrast to boardman feeders placed at the entrance by Bob Noel). [Nurse bees and = foragers collect nectar from a boardman feeder and the syrup and = essential oils go to the brood; feeders at the top of a hive do not usually deliver syrups or = food directly to the brood nest.] Four more of his colonies were given = wintergreen syrup + apistan strips and the last four colonies were given untreated syrup as = controls. Only the four colonies with wintergreen syrup + apistan = survived. These colonies were treated too late and the syrup was fed in the wrong location: at = the top of the colony instead of the entrance. Second, Harry also treated one colony located in his beeyard No. 3 in = April of 1996 with canola oil + wintergreen oil (4 cc of wintergreen in = 4 ozs. of canola); a folded paper towel with canola + wintergreen was laid on a queen = excluder above the cluster. He got a good kill of varroa mites (many = were found dead on the bottom board). He continued this treatment for several weeks. We = inspected the colony on 6 June, 1996: a paper towel with canola oil was = on top of a queen excluder at the top of the colony (1 and =BD story); it had not been = touched by the bees (in contrast, the original paper towel was shredded = by the bees in April). [After April, the bees have little reason to go to the upper part of the = hive and will not be affected by treatments placed there.] About 100 = sealed brood cells (mostly drone) were examined in this colony; about 1/4 of the drone = cells contained normally developing varroa mites. Obviously, this = treatment, though effective in April when the cluster was near the top of the upper super, was no = longer working. Thus the presence of the essential oils in the top of = the hive was insufficient to cause reduction of varroa mite. This probably explains some of the = negative reports we have read or heard from other researchers using = essential oils--they apparently did not deliver the oils to the brood nest in a way that = nurse bees and foraging bees would be treated; thus the tracking board = at the entrance is highly effective, the syrup fed by boardman feeder is highly effective, and = treated grease patties above the fall and winter cluster proved highly = effective. The treatments must be delivered to the brood nest--in such a way that nurse bees and = foraging bees are treated. Proposed mechanisms of action: Our observations of Bob Noel's experiments in 1995 and 1996 indicate the = following mechanisms are probably at work in controlling varroa mites: 1) Direct toxicity: The grease patties and tracking strips indicate that = the essential oils are able to kill varroa mites by direct contact, = within 24 hours or less. Honey bees are not harmed by these oils at the rates used; honey has not = been found to be contaminated by any of the treatments used to date = (taste test). The evidence to date is strong enough to prove that this is definitely a = mechanism of varroa mite control; however, no case has been observed = where direct toxicity has totally elliminated the mites. For now, it can only be regarded as a = partial control and effective only at time of treatment and for several = days following. = 2) Sensory disruption: it seems that the essential oils from grease = patties and tracking strips are able to mask the normal chemosensory = receptors on the tarsi and mouthparts of varroa mites, disrupting the mite's ability to function = normally. As a result, they are not able to properly invade larval cells = about to be capped, nor do they seem to be able to properly insert themselves under the = sternites of worker bees and feed on bee hemolymph. They may not be able = to recognize adults and mature larvae of honey bees because of the presence of the grease + = oils on the mites' cuticle and sensory receptors. This mechanism is = hypothetical and is supported indirectly by observations of behavior of varroa mites in = treated colonies by Bob Noel, Harry Mallow and us. 3) Reproductive disruption: it is apparent that varroa mites in all = three methods of treatments are not able to reproduce normally. = Examination of cells at or near the time of emergence of bees and mites from mite-infested cells in = treated colonies show that few newly developed females are found; many = cells have been found containing dead immature mites and single females that never reproduced = (so-called nonreproducing or sterile females). We conclude that the = essential oils are able to disrupt the reproductive mechanism of the varroa mite. = It is known that under natural, untreated conditions, the female varroa = mite, after feeding on a larva in a sealed cell for 1-2 days, normally = becomes "gravid"--she appears swollen and the cuticular membrane between the sternal and = genital plates becomes stretched and evident as white borders around the = plates. The so-called "eggs" deposited by the female are in reality immature mites = that are ready to emerge as protonymphs, the embryonic and larval stages = having been completed within the chorion inside the body of the female. Thus, the = female is converting the blood of the bee larva and/or pupa into = nutrients for each developing immature mite. This part of the varroa's development is viewed by us as = its weakest point, the so-called "Achilles' Heel" of the varroa mite, = and appears to be the major target of action of the essential oils. The oils may be disrupting = enzyme systems used to convert bee blood nutrients into nutrients for = the developing immature mites and so the females are not able to produce "eggs". Also, = after hatching, very few of the mites in treated colonies were able to = complete development by the time the bee emerged from the cell. = These mechanisms help explain observations given to us by several = beekeepers where honey bee colonies were located in regions with = blooming plants rich with essential oils, such as mints, >>>> sorry, tha's all I got. tom From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr3ip24.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "OFFICIAL" US ARMY REPORT Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:18:47 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9608132130062305@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3ip24.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) writes: >From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) >Subject: Re: "OFFICIAL" US ARMY REPORT >Date: 18 Aug 1996 11:30:32 GMT >> BEE RESOURCE MANUAL with emphasis on The Africanized Honey Bee >> >> WOW! Just look at all that official clap trap >I don't know where and how you manage to dig up all the great tidbits and >news, but I sure get a chuckle from your posts, Andy. Anyway, keep it up! >And for God's sake and ours too, keep the great satire coming DITTO, Good Buddy !! :D John E. From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr3ip24.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee virus Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:43:14 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4v4p8s$q75@infoserver.bgsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3ip24.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4v4p8s$q75@infoserver.bgsu.edu> khagan@bgnet.bgsu.edu (kathleen hagan) writes: >From: khagan@bgnet.bgsu.edu (kathleen hagan) >Subject: Bee virus >Date: 17 Aug 1996 15:42:20 GMT >Some of my "Crisis-oriented" colleagues claim a virus is wiping out honey >bees in the USA. Any truth to this rumor? Prob. not - - - the Varroa beat them to it ;{ John Edwards, Tucson Bee Lab From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr3ip24.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wierd stuff .... Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:12:13 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <320F4ECB.7566F4CF@advtech.uswest.com> <9608140018422307@beenet.com> <3211EF2C.6201DD56@advtech.uswest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3ip24.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3211EF2C.6201DD56@advtech.uswest.com> Jenny Ryan writes: >From: Jenny Ryan >Subject: Re: wierd stuff .... >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:22:20 -0600 >Andy Nachbaur wrote: >jenny Sure, send a small sample to us - I'll try to determine if it's wax moth frass - - Lord knows I've opened up enough hives FULL of it. John Edwards USDA-ARS Bee Lab 2000 East Allen Road TUCSON, ARIZONA 85719 From edw1@azstarnet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!usr3ip24.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ESSENTIAL OILS report Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:05:52 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9608191723412352@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr3ip24.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <9608191723412352@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: ESSENTIAL OILS report >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:58:00 GMT >or country), and therefore any treatments are not covered by any >agricultural regulation. The Pure Food & Drug people are should only >interested in products that may contaminate the honey with deleterious >materials. If the materials here described are used according to the >directions there should be no reason for concern But ANDY - - other "natural " ingredients could be carbon monoxide, cyanide, digitalis extract, the wrong mushrooms, etc. ................ Couldn't we all try to live up to honey's potential and reputation ? ;D John From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Tue Sep 3 13:01:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: laying workers Date: 20 Aug 1996 09:49:38 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4vc1ni$nho@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <01bb8e4f.0e32ee40$640bf6cc@mycp.madison.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin038.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hello, In the most of my beekeeping books is the following procedure is discribed to remove egg-laying worker from a hive for requeening etc.. In your case you should remove the honey suppers inclusive all the bees inside, and place them minimum 200meters from the old place. Let the bees fly back to the old place, then take all the bees still left in the supper on the ground and carry the beefree supper back to the rest of the hive. The egglaying worker should be to heavy to fly back and she shouldn´t know the old place because she never was outside. Make sure that there is a queen in the hive. Otherwise the same problem will ocur in a short time. Goof luck Ulli Höger From altabios@bham.ac.uk Tue Sep 3 13:01:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.ftech.net!xara.net!emerald.xara.net!Aladdin!rmplc!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.salford.ac.uk!aber!bath.ac.uk!dcl-cs!strath-cs!ftel.co.uk!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees for sale, UK Date: 21 Aug 1996 12:45:16 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4vf0cs$4ns@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 For the UK beekeeping fraternity only After keeping bees for 20 years I have decided to call it a day. Is there any newcomer in the UK who would like to buy my bees and all the equipment? (Hope this 'advert' doesn't offend) John Fox From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild comb outside hive Date: 21 Aug 1996 15:49:38 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vfp8i$b10@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4vdfdl$cj2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4vdfdl$cj2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) writes: >a couple of weeks ago I did some work in the hive and removed some wild >comb. I suspect some of it fell around the hive. Today I noticed an >unusually large number of bees outside the hive. After I smoked them, I >realized they were working on a large piece of wild comb. They have >attched it to the hive in three places. It looks like a handsized piece >of brown coral. Is this unusual, should I just scrape it off and throw it >away? > Better get some supers on the hive. Probably was a bit of brood on the burr comb, and they have protected it, but if they are building more comb outside the hive, they badly need space. The last thing you want, this late in the season, is to crowd the hive, shut down the queen, then go into winter with all old bees! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From ahlmon1961@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!netaxs.com!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen introduction Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:09:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vfqd1$bjj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Well this is the second time around. Today I checked for release and sure enough she's gone. How long should I wait until I see eggs? The first effort was the same queen released but after 7-10 days no sign of her or of eggs? So this time I hope It works out. I read on aol's interests and hobbies board about a fellow who had a queen that likewise was not spotted 1 week after release. He placed a frame of eggs in from another hive thinking that they might as well raise their own queen and a week later he discovered newly laid eggs in two other frames. A week after seeing new eggs he spotted the carniolan queen happily laying eggs. He advised the wait and see approach. I'm thinking that if I do not see eggs in another 7-10 days from today I ought to put a frame of eggs from one of my other hives? Would appreciate your thoughts. Alan M. From hox@nas.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnewsold.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!news From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how much unsealed honey is allowed for extraction? Date: 21 Aug 1996 20:51:04 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4vfsro$hqm@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup09.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Hello, We want to harvest our honey now so we can medicate our bees for mites but when we took out some of the frames, there were unsealed areas on them. What is the percentage of unsealed honey you can extract if any, before the whole batch is ruined? Thanks for your time... Sonja From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.service.emory.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive robbing, how to stop it Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:00:15 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 36 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vfpsf$b6k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <32161175.77193187@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <32161175.77193187@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, normal@worldnet.att.net (Norm Bolser) writes: > >What suggestions do you folks have to stop hive robbing by other >hives? Where I live is residential enough that a major relocation is >near impossible. Would a hundred feet or so be enough? They are now >located about 12 feet apart. I've screened off or blocked most of the >access into the weaker hive, but the problem appears to continue. If you have reduced the entrances, and the robbing still continues, you need to solve the problem in the weak hive. They do not have enough morale to regroup, and defend their home and honey stores. Find out what is wrong and deal with it. One hundred feet relocation is not going to help much. They may be queenless, have a bad mite problem, chalkbrood, or even worse, foulbrood. They may have taken a pesticide hit. (Yes, hives are creatures of habit, following their scouts and the previous days' patterns, and one hive may have been mostly flying in one direcion, the other going the opposite way.) If you live in a residential area, you have an especial reason to stop robbing, as bees that are robbing are much more apt to be nasty, not only to each other, but to everything that moves in the area. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:46 EDT 1996 Article: 5296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee pollen wanted Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608211733182363@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <258014.562869@seafish.org> Lines: 43 *FYI personal e-mail received. Pollen Wanted to Buy$ ---------------------------------------- From: Markus Huurman Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:52:18 CET+1:00 Subject: bee pollen Dear Sir, Madam, Yesterday I watched the Internet and saw your e-mail address mentioned somewhere with regard to the beekeeping subject. The reason for this e-mail is that I am looking for more sources to contact beekeepers that collect and sell pollen in Europe and abroad in the Southern hemisphere. Especially beekeepers that have experience with the collection and storage of fresh frozen pollen. This product is used by the company I work for, for the feeding of insects that are used for biological crop protection and natural pollination, mainly in the field of horticulture. I would like to know if you could help me to suggest where to find these beekeepers. Maybe you know of Associations, Magazines, Organizations, Web-sites that could provide more information. Awaiting your reply with great interest, KOPPERT B.V. Markus Huurman (Purchasing manager) ................................................................. . . . Postaddress: P.O. BOX 155 . . 2650 AD BERKEL EN RODENRIJS . . THE NETHERLANDS . . Internet e-mail address: m.huurman@koppert.nl . . Telephone: +31-10-514 04 44 . . Telefax: +31-10-511 79 47 . . . ................................................................. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fruit & Tree Nuts Summary 8/21/96 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608211817382365@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 167 FRUIT AND TREE NUTS--SUMMARY August 21, 1996 Approved by the World Agricultural Outlook Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SUMMARY is published by the Economic Research Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Washington, DC 20005-4788. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smaller U.S. Fruit Crops Support Higher Prices in 1996 Grower prices for fruits were higher than a year ago during the first 7 months of 1996, due largely to smaller crops of apples and pears during the fall of 1995, and strong domestic and export demand. Reduced production of grapefruit, Florida Valencia oranges, Florida temples, and tangelos in 1995/96 also helped bolster prices for the season. Almond prices were also up sharply, reflecting reduced 1995 production. Expected smaller crops of peaches, cherries, and blueberries this summer and another small harvest of pears this fall will continue to support grower prices during the second half of 1996. Grape prices this fall and through early 1997 are expected to remain strong, reflecting nearly the same production as last year, a generally good quality crop in California, and continued strong demand. All-apple grower prices during 1996/97 will likely average the same as last year's strong level, reflecting a relatively unchanged 1996 U.S. apple crop and continued tight supplies of processing apples. Strawberry prices this summer and almond prices in 1996/97 may slip given the forecast of a larger new crop. Higher retail prices for apples, grapefruit, peaches, pears, bananas, and grapes raised the consumer price index for fresh fruits during January-June 1996 to 229, up 7 percent from a year earlier. Light supplies of summer noncitrus fruits will likely keep the index strong this summer while increased production of western crop apples and a large California table grape crop could weaken the index this fall. A potentially smaller pear crop, however, may offset some of the downward pressure on fresh fruit prices this fall. U.S. apple production in 1996 is forecast at 10.7 billion pounds, about the same as last year. Cold weather and excessive moisture delayed blooms and reduced crop potential in many apple-growing States. Smaller crops in many central and eastern States will be offset by expected larger crops in Washington and California. Apple production is expected to be up 15 percent in the western States, but down 29 percent in the central States, and down 15 percent in the eastern States. The larger western crop and the expected smaller fruit size of the Washington crop are likely to put downward pressure on fresh-market apple prices. However, continued tight supplies of processing apples and apple juice stocks will likely help to maintain a relatively strong average all-apple price. USDA's August forecast puts the 1996 U.S. pear crop 17 percent smaller than a year ago, with production of Bartlett pears on the Pacific Coast down 18 percent and total U.S. production of other varieties down 17 percent. Sharply smaller crops in Washington and Oregon will likely offset the expected 9-percent gain in California's Bartlett output. California peach production in 1996 is forecast up 19 percent >from a year ago, but sharply reduced crops in many States, especially Georgia and South Carolina, will lower the U.S. output an estimated 13 percent. Total freestone peach production, mainly for fresh use, is forecast down 31 percent, while California clingstones, mostly for canning, are expected up 16 percent. The 1996 U.S. sweet cherry crop was down 19 percent from a year earlier, reflecting reduced production in Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New York. Low chilling hours during the winter limited California's production potential. California's production was up 26 percent from 1995's weather-reduced output, but 52 percent below 1994's bumper crop. California and Washington grow mostly Bing cherries and other sweet varieties for the fresh market. Fresh sweet cherry prices averaged higher than a year ago, due partly to a 33-percent drop in Washington, the largest domestic source. This year's U.S. tart cherry production dropped 35 percent from 1995, with smaller crops in all producing States except Utah. Production declined 42 percent in Michigan where nearly three-fourths of U.S. tart cherries are grown. Low stocks of frozen tart cherries and a small crop helped to boost prices. Large gains in California and New Jersey strawberry production are compensating for smaller outputs in Florida, Washington, Oregon, and Michigan. USDA forecasts 1996 commercial strawberry production in the six major producing States to be up 16 percent >from a year ago. Increased supplies, including imports, are forcing fresh prices down. More fresh supplies and lower prices will likely encourage fresh strawberry consumption to increase >from 3.76 pounds per person in 1995. Industry sources expect blueberry supplies to be lighter this summer, pushing grower prices up. Cultivated blueberry production will likely decrease in Michigan and other producing States except New Jersey, Washington, and Oregon. Fresh use and processing use of the new blueberry crop will be down this summer. Preliminary indications from the California Kiwifruit Commission suggest a slightly larger kiwifruit crop in 1996 that could weaken prices in 1997. California's kiwifruit production decreased for the third straight year in 1995. Increased imports made up for the decline, maintaining U.S. supplies and holding prices down. Consumption rose from 0.503 pounds per person in 1994 to 0.514 pounds in 1995. Hawaii's banana crop in 1996 decreased for the second straight year due to adverse weather. New acreage is being planted in stages and production is anticipated to increase next year. U.S. fresh banana imports in 1995 were down 1 percent from year-earlier levels, lowering domestic supplies and consumption. Imports during January-May 1996 were virtually unchanged from last year, and if they remain unchanged for the rest of 1996, higher prices could be expected. Limited supplies of stone fruit and pears will also help support banana prices during the remainder of 1996. Imports will likely boost U.S. mango and papaya supplies in 1996. Mango and papaya imports, mainly from Mexico, increased in 1995, pushing U.S. supplies above a year earlier and raising consumption to a new record. Imports and consumption were lower for fresh and canned pineapple, but higher for pineapple juice. The 1995/96 U.S. orange crop was up about 2 percent from 1994/95, and the second largest on record. A large California crop led to an abundant supply of fresh-market oranges. Although the California Valencia crop was up 8 percent, good fruit quality and strong demand raised f.o.b prices. Meanwhile, higher juice yields boosted orange juice supplies despite a slightly smaller Florida crop. Orange juice prices were also above last year's because of reduced carryin stocks and strong domestic demand. The 1995/96 U.S. grapefruit crop was down 5 percent from a year earlier. Florida's crop was 6 percent smaller, accounting for 80 percent of U.S. grapefruit production. California's crop was up 2 percent. Florida grapefruit destined for the processing market declined about 12 percent. Total Florida fresh shipments increased 3 percent in 1995/96, but the growth was in the export market. Florida domestic f.o.b. prices increased for both fresh white and red grapefruit. Total U.S. tree nut production will likely be up in 1996, reflecting expected larger almond and walnut crops in California. Almond production is forecast up 43 percent from 1995's sharply reduced output, likely forcing prices down in 1996/97 and boosting domestic and export demand. Despite increased production, walnut supplies are expected to remain unchanged due to slightly lower beginning stocks. Therefore, walnut prices in 1996/97 are expected to remain good. Pistachio and pecan crops are expected to be about average size, although smaller than in 1995. Hazelnut production is expected to be much lower this year due to alternate-bearing characteristics of this nut. Hawaii's macadamia production will likely continue to trend upward due to the increasing number of bearing trees. For more information, contact Agnes Perez (202) 501-6779. Printed copies of FRUIT AND TREE NUTS Situation and Outlook will be available in about a week. Text of the full report will also be available electronically. For details on electronic access, call (202) 219-0515. ENDOFFILE --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits I nuts, there are beekeepers" From hyper@granbury.net Tue Sep 3 13:01:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.nkn.net!news From: Bently Durant Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new hive Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:45:02 -0500 Organization: elmo inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <321B916E.16AF@granbury.net> Reply-To: hyper@granbury.net NNTP-Posting-Host: port4.granbury.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win95; I) I got a my first hive from a someone whose hives were getting killed of by fire ants. It has a small to moderate population and the bees won't cluster on top of the hive when I open it. Should I requeen or double queen? should I give them any special medications? please mail me From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Sep 3 13:01:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much unsealed honey is allowed for extraction? Date: 22 Aug 1996 14:10:08 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4vhpo0$lko@news.sandia.gov> References: <4vfsro$hqm@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: hox@nas.com hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) wrote: >Hello, > > We want to harvest our honey now so we can medicate our bees for mites >but when we took out some of the frames, there were unsealed areas on >them. What is the percentage of unsealed honey you can extract if any, >before the whole batch is ruined? Thanks for your time... > Sonja The rule of thumb I use is; Hold the frame flat and give it a good downward jolt to see if any little drips fly out. If the honey is thick enough that it doesn't shake out it will be fine for harvesting. I think the generic number is 70% capped but I have a couple hives that are very slow to cap the last two frames. If you are extracting a full super with a couple frames that are not capped it should be fine as long as the uncapped cells are not watery thin. Victor in Albuquerque NM vcrimku@sandia.gov From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:53 EDT 1996 Article: 5300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!winternet.com!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: laying workers Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:30:25 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 8 Message-ID: <321CC361.3C16@snds.com> References: <01bb8e4f.0e32ee40$640bf6cc@mycp.madison.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) If you have a queen excluder on, those drones can't get out... Putting the super on top (over solid honey) will keep the queen down, and so you can delete the excluder and let the drones out. Ulli Höger's technique sounds good though. Gerry Visel From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Theft - $1,000 Reward Date: 22 Aug 1996 12:04:47 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 22 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vi0ev$6ik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com A reward of $1,000 is offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thief who took 31 hives from a Lee County, SC bee yard, this past week. The bees all had black plastic division board feeders in the brood chamber, excluders, and all had 1-2 shallow supers full of honey. The covers were all home-made cypress. They were definitely too heavy to be taken by one person working alone. "This was not an amateur job." says owner Huck Babcock, who is offering the reward. "The bees were taken during the night, as there were no field bees left, and the yard was out of sight of the road. Anyone with any info, please call Huck at 803-796-8988 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:01:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!winternet.com!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.rmii.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive robbing, how to stop it Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:14:33 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <321CBFA9.518E@snds.com> References: <32161175.77193187@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) "What suggestions do you folks have to stop hive robbing by other hives? " The first thing is to make sure the hive is strong enough to defend itself, then close down the entrance with a cone shaped screen that will let them out but not back in. Leave it on a day or two max, as it will also keep out the resident field bees. Good luck! From science@Maerlant.educ.tue.nl Tue Sep 3 13:01:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!tuegate.tue.nl!news.tue.nl!usenet From: Jan van Heugten Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Refractive Index of Honey vs. Moisture Content Date: 22 Aug 1996 19:15:45 GMT Organization: Van Maerlantlyceum Eindhoven Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4vibl1$6ki@news2.tue.nl> References: <32191158.504BD16D@solon.eng.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: annex1s15.urc.tue.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: 32191158.504BD16D@solon.eng.uiowa.edu On refraction index and moisture in honey The Hive and the Honey Bee (Dadant & Sons, 1979) gives on page 498 a table: The first column is the Ref.Ind (at 20 deg C), the second column the %Moisture. 1.5035 13.2 1.5015 14.0 1.4980 15.4 1.4970 15.8 1.4940 17.0 1.4930 17.4 1.4915 18.0 1.4900 18.6 1.4890 19.0 1.4862 20.2 1.4844 21.0 I have calculated the relationship: %Moisture = 622.83 - 405.50*Ref.Ind. at 20 deg C (Ref.Ind. in 5 digits (total), %Moisture in 3 digits (total)). I wish you calm bees, a lot of honey, and a high refraction index! Jan van Heugten From dclayton@risc1.acc.uri.edu Tue Sep 3 13:01:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newserver.uri.edu!news From: Dave Clayton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: News Story on Oil's for Mites Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:08:44 -0400 Organization: URI Academic Computer Center Lines: 7 Message-ID: <321CA22C.41C6@risc1.acc.uri.edu> References: <9608181427152344@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.128.2.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; AIX 2) Any idea where Amrine has posted these formulas on the Internet? -- David Clayton, Interim Director Internet: dclayton@uriacc.uri.edu Technical and Operational Services Phone: (401) 874-4475 Office of Information Services FAX: (401) 789-4040 U of Rhode Island; Kingston, RI 02881 From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb information Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:35:08 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 10 Message-ID: <321CC47C.3ED0@snds.com> References: <4vd2gr$mpd@hil-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) With all due respect an engineer, (and I are one,) FINITE ELEMENT ANALYSIS on honeycomb??? Whatever for??? On "on how precisely the bees build the cells and comb," you might want to get or observe an observation hive, which has glass sides to allow you to watch. Gerry Visel From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much unsealed honey is allowed for extraction? Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:41:41 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 5 Message-ID: <321CC605.29DE@snds.com> References: <4vfsro$hqm@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: John or Sonja Hoxeng As long as a good shake doesn't shake out any nectar, you can probably extract the frames just fine. I try to make sure the cells are more than about 3/4 capped or so. If most of it is, it will even out any differences in percentage moisture in the uncapped. Gerry From NHJV32A@prodigy.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!news.stealth.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NHJV32A@prodigy.com (William Hughes jr.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's problem Date: 23 Aug 1996 01:16:35 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4vj0pj$27pi@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> References: <01bb8842.b434d140$7fc195c2@zea> <4v8pp9$hut@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have put foundation over queen excluders and the bees draw them out. Now I admit you must have a honey flow on, but I have never heard your suggestionof not using an excluder because bees will not cross it to get to the foundation. Please explain From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Sep 3 13:02:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.ingress.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild comb outside hive Date: 23 Aug 1996 03:08:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4vj7c8$tcs@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4vdfdl$cj2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4vfp8i$b10@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] : Better get some supers on the hive. Probably was a bit of brood on : the burr comb, and they have protected it, but if they are building more : comb outside the hive, they badly need space. : The last thing you want, this late in the season, is to crowd the : hive, shut down the queen, then go into winter with all old bees! Pollinator is right. I have seen this happen with a crowded hive (earlier this year). In my case it was a single hive (i.e, no hives nearby) with a piece of comb that had plenty of honey but no brood in it. I figured there were few or no bees from other hives around to rob, so I might as well place the comb on the entrance and let the hive from which it originated rob it out. Well they decided to attach it to the hive instead. This was/is a very strong two queen hive. I removed the exterior comb, and opened up the hive to check for congestion. They were definitely crowded. Added supers and have had no problems since. Dave T. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Sep 3 13:02:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: News Story on Oil's for Mites Date: 23 Aug 1996 02:56:18 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4vj6ki$tcs@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <9608181427152344@beenet.com> <321CA22C.41C6@risc1.acc.uri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] I have ordered 4 oz of spearmint oil from Lorann Oils ($11.95 - should treat about 15 hives for two months) to conduct an immediate test on 5 hives I purchased as nukes earlier this year from a southern apiary. I also have a number of hives produced from splits from untreated survivors >from last winter, and from swarms and removals I've done this summer. The managed stock came in 4 frame nukes complete with healthy bees, some mites, and apistan strips still in place. They are doing well but are moderately infested. The feral stock have mites but in very, very low numbers. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but according to last years records my hives had far greater incidences of mites at this time. As of now, I may find a single mite on a single bee (including workers even though there are still plenty of drones left) on a very crowded frame. BTW, I am keeping bees purhcased from other apiaries (such as those above) segregated from each other and from the feral stock. No point in mixing mites. The plan is to conduct a test on the imported managed stock, see if the oils work and then, after queen rearing from the feral stock, treating these too. I figure they may have some resistance but it may be insufficient to actually get them through the winter. I'd rather do what I can (short of Apistan - did everyone see the clip on the European wax pool being contaminated!!!) to get what I have through the winter and then do the serious testing for natural resistance on next year's survivors. I'll post the results (which I should have within 2 weeks). Dave T. From tarenfro@skn.net Tue Sep 3 13:02:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!usenet From: tarenfro@skn.net (A.T.RENFROW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winterizing Bees Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 0:02:25 -0400 Organization: db Technology Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4vjb7g$144@dbtsvr2.dbtech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3122.skn.net This is my first season keeping bees. I've read quite afew books on beekeeping, but still don't konw exactly what treatments and when I sure apply them for mites, moths, repping the hive,ect... Every book I read gives a little differant anwser. I have one hive with around 60,000 bees. I hope to have more next year. Any help would be appreciated. From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:02:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Very agressive hive Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:28:48 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2Yul3DAw4cHyEwOM@gandboss.demon.co.uk> References: <01bb8b66$ab6a0e00$6f3c10cb@drobb> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> In article <01bb8b66$ab6a0e00$6f3c10cb@drobb>, Pastor David Rees writes >I have a very agressive hive and last time I checked it I was stung many >times and passed out from 50+ stings. I have to re queen in October and am >not looking forward to opening the hive.. of course i will put heavier >clothes on this time but if anyone has any ideas .. pls. > You've had some good advice given already, however I have tried some of the methods mentioned and not had success. This year one hive became very nasty after the OSR had gone over, most hives get tetchy then but this one never recovered. I tried moving the hive 15feet to bleed the older bees into a docile coloney. This resulted in the good coloney becoming queenless and also nasty :-( These bees were bad news and I ended up killing one coloney even after re-queening. Hobby beekeeping should be no.1 enjoyable and not a wrestling match. The frustrating thing is the original nasty coloney worked harder than any other in the apairy... much mutterings in the local bee club about F1 hibrids, but I don't think these bees followed motoracing? :-} Bye Graham Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Leicestershire (about 100miles north of London) UK "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logie Baird 1929 From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Sep 3 13:02:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much unsealed honey is allowed for extraction? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 22:18:59 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4vlapr$bbl@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4vfsro$hqm@barad-dur.nas.com> <4vhpo0$lko@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp14.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >The rule of thumb I use is; Hold the frame flat and give it a good >downward jolt to see if any little drips fly out. If the honey is thick >enough that it doesn't shake out it will be fine for harvesting. I think >the generic number is 70% capped but I have a couple hives that are very >slow to cap the last two frames. If you are extracting a full super with >a couple frames that are not capped it should be fine as long as the >uncapped cells are not watery thin. Depends where you are and who your customer is. Up here on the Canadian prairies, we can often extract combs that are completely uncapped and still have acceptable moisture (below 17.6%). During heavy flows or wet spells, more care is needed. Some packers are glad to take honey as high as 20% moisture to blend -- if you make arrangements *before* you ship. Such honey cannot sit in a back warehouse for months, it should be blended ASAP. You'll notice that although most honey shipped to packers is under 17%, most honey on the shelves is over 18%. Hmmm. You take a small penalty in price when you ship wet honey, but it only amounts to a deduction equal to the weight of extra water. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen introduction Date: 24 Aug 1996 04:26:49 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 24 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vmec9$o3s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4vfqd1$bjj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4vfqd1$bjj@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) writes: > I read on aol's interests and >hobbies board about a fellow who had a queen that likewise was not spotted >1 week after release. He placed a frame of eggs in from another hive >thinking that they might as well raise their own queen and a week later he >discovered newly laid eggs in two other frames. A week after seeing new >eggs he spotted the carniolan queen happily laying eggs. He advised the >wait and see approach. Better to do what he did, than what he said. I wouldn't introduce a late queen without giving some brood. The emerging young bees will help gain acceptance, and the eggs will provide a backup, or at least tell you that the queen isn't accepted, when they make cells. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Here, Clyde, Help Me Tamp Down These Bees!" Date: 24 Aug 1996 04:38:07 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 74 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vmf1f$o7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader You're scaring me! (Sigh) I guess I'd better store up some adrenalin. Next spring's package season is going to bee! another manic session. All you guys in good fall honey country that are removing supers to treat for mites. Do you realize what you are doing? You are shutting down the queens, at least a month early. As soon as all those bees are jammed into the brood nest, and fall nectar is filling empty cells, the queen will have nowhere to lay. How are they goina' make the young bees that are needed for the winter cluster? They'll be going into winter with OLD bees. - A guaranteed prescription for heavy winter loss. I mentioned this a week or so ago, without any response. So I bring it up again, more clearly, more forcefully. THINK! Now I know there won't be a response from those who are quietly making the fall crop......with Apistan strips in place. They're not gonna' have this problem, though they may have others...... But all you guys who are making this drastic management change..... without testing..... on advice from folks who, by and large, don't keep bees, or at least don't require them for their livelihood. THINK! If I were in your shoes right now (and I've kept bees in the north), I'd sure have supers on. If not, I'm throwing away a resource, and endangering my bees to boot. Now I didn't say, extract it and sell it, did I? Surely you have some deadouts, or extra deeps around. Maybe you can get some foundation drawn. I think deeps would be preferable to shallows, as you can then put the frames right into a brood nest later. But if you use shallows, take a spray can and paint a big red dot on the ends of a few supers. That will remind you not to extract those. Get all the honey you can, in whatever form you can, and save it; don't extract it. Next March, put supers of these onto your light hives. Then when the weather warms, and your bees are building nicely, take three frames of brood and make nucs. Put deep frames of honey on either side of the brood, and let them raise a queen, or give them one. Now, they are better fed than they could ever be with syrup. Shucks, give them syrup, too. - Get's them going fast! If you didn't get your honey in deep frames, then put an excluder over your three frames of brood in the brood chamber and put on a super. You can stretch it, by putting five frames of honey directly over the bees, rather than a full one. If you are not able to keep track of them using it up, take a permanant marker and put an x on the top bar, so you won't extract that frame. In the spring I promise to say "I told you so!" if you let the brood chambers plug up this fall, and die over winter. Varroa mites will kill bees. But it also makes a nice whipping boy, when poor management kills bees. Let's not panic, folks. Think! I'd like to sell some packages come spring. But I don't want to fill my pockets, from someone else's *unnecessary* losses. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From tikka@wolfenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Tia Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Wax Wanted! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:43:26 -0800 Organization: Sunmaster Productions Lines: 7 Message-ID: <321EB29E.69A2@wolfenet.com> Reply-To: tikka@wolfenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts2-p19.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) The Way Out Candel Company Employs homeless youth in Seattle, Washington. We are currently looking for a source for Bee's wax and killer bee wax both domestic and South American. Please forward any info to ch2o@wolfenet.com or tikka@wolfenet.com. Any info would bee great! Christian Weber From mbuckler@perth.dialix.oz.au Tue Sep 3 13:02:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.uoregon.edu!disco.iinet.net.au!opera.iinet.net.au!news From: mbuckler@perth.dialix.oz.au (Mike Buckler) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees walking instead of flying Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:24:08 GMT Organization: iiNet Technologies Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4vmvme$stc@opera.iinet.net.au> Reply-To: mbuckler@perth.dialix.oz.au NNTP-Posting-Host: jazz36.nv.iinet.net.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I was sitting in the garden today having a cup of coffee and watching the bees flying around my Almond tree which has just come into flower (spring in Western Australia) when I noticed a few bees walking around on the grass. The bees in question looked like they were unable to fly, but had obviously flown into my garden. Some of the bees would climb up to the highest point on the plants in the garden and then just stand there looking pretty clueless (a bit like when you stall the car at the traffic lights) and without moving their wings. Other bees would just walk around on the grass not really knowing where they were heading. I watched these for about 20 minutes. Other bees were flying around as normal. Weird. Mike From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Have you seen varroas? Date: 24 Aug 1996 12:20:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 18 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vna52$28s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In discussions with some beekeepers, the thought came up, that while there is a lot of hullabaloo about the mites, very few have actually seen them. For a look at mites on adults and brood, and a typical symptom of severe infestation check out this reference: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/varroa.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From VKKG74B@prodigy.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: VKKG74B@prodigy.com (Crispin Foster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees walking instead of flying Date: 24 Aug 1996 19:46:23 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4vnm6f$10qo@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> References: <4vmvme$stc@opera.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Has anyone sprayed insecticide near by? Sounds like those bees may have been poisoned. Crispin Foster From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!shore!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Bee Theft - $1,000 Reward Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:50:35 GMT References: <4vi0ev$6ik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 I hate to say it, but what "goes around, comes around". If the owner is the same person I think it is; aka Blue Ridge Apiaries, he has left a lot of people holding the bag, as past postings to this newsgroup will attest. I can only hope that the colonies in question have found good homes. Maybe a group of ripped off hobbyists got together and drove down to SC in the middle of the night and... as John Lennon said: "instant karma's gonna get you" JC @ SCA in NH From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: ESSENTIAL OILS report Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:27:32 GMT References: <9608191723412352@beenet.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 You are absolutely right, in a perfect world we wouldn't need any medications, but we have brought on this problem(s) with honeybees ourselves. It would be nice if there were still enough research labs open with enough funds to try out some of the "natural" extracts found in the food industry under controlled conditions so we good get dowon to the business of bringing our colony populations up to snuff. If I had a nickel for every chemical or home remedy I've heard of in the past two years that claims to knock down the varroa or trachael mite pop. in our colonies, I'd be able to retire at the ripe old age of 44. Quite honestly, I wish every one of them worked. Then we would at least have an alternative to Apistan. I've been keeping bees for 25 years, commercially for 10. This is the first time in ten years I've had less than 100 colonies to my name, when spring rolled around. The lack of effectiveness of the control agents legally available to us, combined with a winter in the northeast the likes of which hasan't been seen in some time, spelled economic ruin for a lot of small commercial beekeepers like myself. Add to that fact that most of the southern bee breeders were two to fours weeks behind this spring, and you have a lot of lost pollination contracts on your hands. I ordered replacement packages, and then finally passed them on to a fellow beekeeper that could utilize them for later pollination. The packagee arrived all right; five days after I pulled my colonies out of the pollination I had ordered them for. It seems that I didn't have enough influence(ie $$$) with the Georgia breeder to get them delivered on time. He continued to fill mail orders and pickup orders but seemed to find it necessary to put off a group of us in the Northeast. (the exception being upstate NY.) Such is life. But I can guarrantee you that there are a few beekeepers in New England that won't forget the lack of consideration we were shown. But all the pissing and moaning in the workd won't solve the problems at hand, varroa and trachael mites and the secondary symptoms they cause in our honeybees. Three cheers for the ingeneuity (or is it desperation) of those who are willing to take the time to try alternative mite control methods. As long as we don't expect the honey buying public to be the guinea pigs and unwitting purchasers of adulterated honey, there shouldn't be any problems. But I for one wouldn't feel comfortable selling honey that might not quite be table ready if it were exposed to a product that might compromise the health of some individuals. If such a treatment product already held a food safe label in certain quantities, I would be quite upset if the Feds dragged their collective feet in passing the use of such a product for mite control when we are so desperate for alternative treatments. That's my .02 worth. JC in NH From an563795@anon.penet.fi Tue Sep 3 13:02:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) Subject: Grease Patties Organization: Infinity LTD X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 96 00:57:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.17 Message-ID: <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 13 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns Can anyone give me a simple recipe for GREASE PATTIES. Please include AMOUNTS since every recipe I have seen pretty much says to mix grease(Crisco) with sugar but the amounts are very vague. Also, how about adding Terramycin to the patties? How much there? And now that everyone is talking about mint oils, (although still experimental) about how much oil of wintergreen might I try adding to these patties while I am at it? Thanks for any responses. BTW. I lost two out of five hives in the past three weeks and another is just barely hanging on. Two of the hives are incredibly strong and I haven't treated them for mites yet. I plan on splitting these hives in the sprint to generate some queens from these colonies. I pray these are extremely mite resistant. (I am still going to use Apistan on them in the Fall though.) From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees walking instead of flying Date: 25 Aug 1996 01:15:56 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 59 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vonic$jcu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4vmvme$stc@opera.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4vmvme$stc@opera.iinet.net.au>, mbuckler@perth.dialix.oz.au (Mike Buckler) writes: >I was sitting in the garden today having a cup of coffee and watching the >bees >flying around my Almond tree which has just come into flower (spring in >Western Australia) when I noticed a few bees walking around on the grass. The >bees in question looked like they were unable to fly, but had obviously flown >into my garden. >Some of the bees would climb up to the highest point on the plants in the >garden and then just stand there looking pretty clueless (a bit like when you >stall the car at the traffic lights) and without moving their wings. Other >bees would just walk around on the grass not really knowing where they were >heading. I watched these for about 20 minutes. Other bees were flying around >as normal. Weird. > > You'll see an occasional bee that can no longer fly, because her wings are frayed. You can check and see if this is the case. If you see a lot of them, they are sick bees. The most likely cause is that they have taken a pesticide hit, and the bees are dying. Pesticide hits do not usually occur because a plane flew over the hive and sprayed them. That doesn't usually hurt the bees, because they are inside. Pesticide hits come from the food supply being poisoned. Someone sprayed some blooming plants that the bees were visiting. That is illegal here, though it happens a lot. I don't know what the laws are in Australia, though the bees *should* be protected from this kind of pesticide misuse. They could also be suffering from disease or parasites. Nosema will make bees crawl around, and this disease crops up when the bees are stressed. It could be a combination of poisoning and stress disease. Parasitic mites also will shorten adult life span. I don't think you are *supposed* to have them yet in Australia. I hope you haven't discovered them. Disease or parasites usually cause a slow attrition. If there are enough crawlers for you to notice, I'd put my money on a pesticide hit. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From K.bundrick@mail.crestviewfl.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.supernet.net!nntp.cntfl.com!usenet From: Ken Bundrick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wholesale Honey Date: 20 Aug 1996 01:54:25 GMT Organization: CMDS News machine Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4vb5sh$qn7@server.cntfl.com> References: <321025ED.7F21@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.49.145.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: eddavis@worldnet.att.net Good Luck. We are selling comb honey for $4.00 a pint. The demand remains very high even with the higher prices. Most cut comb producers in our area N. Florida are producing for retail sales. From K.bundrick@mail.crestviewfl.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.supernet.net!nntp.cntfl.com!usenet From: Ken Bundrick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in Minnesota Date: 20 Aug 1996 01:57:45 GMT Organization: CMDS News machine Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4vb62p$qn7@server.cntfl.com> References: <4v5da9$sg7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.49.145.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: ahlmon1961@aol.com How many colonies did you receive honey from? Just curious as to how well you did per colony. K. Bundrick Bundrick Honey From K.bundrick@mail.crestviewfl.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.supernet.net!nntp.cntfl.com!usenet From: Ken Bundrick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling and pricing small quantities of honey Date: 20 Aug 1996 02:01:23 GMT Organization: CMDS News machine Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4vb69j$qn7@server.cntfl.com> References: <32161008.76828266@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.49.145.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: normal@worldnet.att.net normal@worldnet.att.net (Norm Bolser) wrote: >Well, after several (five?) of keeping bees, I've finally gotten more >than I possibly can use. What would be a fair price per pint selling >through the local store? I live in Washington State. > Related to this, what does honey weigh per pint? I've >followed the wholesale prices per pound, but without going to the >trouble of trying to weight out a pint, I'll bet some of you know off >the tops of your heads. > Thank you. > > Norm Bolser We sell pints for $4.00 retail and about $3.50 wholesale in N. Florida this year. A pint weighs 1.5 pounds. you don't have to weigh it just fill a pint jar and label it at 1.5 pounds. In our area it is illegal to sell honey which is not labeled. K. Bundrick Bundrick Honey From steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk Tue Sep 3 13:02:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clearer boards Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:46:58 GMT Message-ID: <960825185417225@amigabee.org.uk> Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Distribution: world Lines: 14 Hello All, Any idea how long clearing four supers would take at this time of year? My management programme might need a tweek as 24 hours doesn't seem long enough to clear the bees fully. Your comments here please as my e-mail domain is not registerd yet. Regards Steve g6lpf Beenet the computer network for Beekeepers.Email info@amigabee.org.uk ... Platinum Xpress! It's hot! From gyllenho@algonet.se Tue Sep 3 13:02:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.algonet.se!news From: "Ronny Willman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding acetic acid to winter fodder Date: 25 Aug 1996 20:57:19 GMT Organization: Östgöta Gyllenhonung Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bb92c5$4b0d5c40$0f02000a@gyllenho.algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: bengt.algonet.se NNTP-Posting-User: bf3ba6e23be56dabe93c87732e2a5b740 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1141 We want to know more about adding acetic acid to the sugar when foddering the bees for the winter season. Concentration (pH), inverting effect on saccaros, effect on Nosema, Chalkbrood etc. ? Ronny Willman Sweden From mariajhn@lex.infi.net Tue Sep 3 13:02:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: spiderlily Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: News Story on Oil's for Mites Date: 25 Aug 1996 21:19:11 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4vqg0f$d1s@nw101.infi.net> References: <9608181427152344@beenet.com> <4v8qgt$hut@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp6.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) Yes--where the heck are they? Agni Bhaktarama Carbonaria Honey Farm Madhya Pradesh, India --------------------------------------------------------------------- .---. .----------- / \ __ / ------ / / \( )/ ----- ////// ' \/ ` --- //// / // : : --- What is mind? // / / /` '-- No matter. // //..\\ What is matter? ====UU====UU==== Never mind. '//||\\` -Rev. Mahinda ''`` --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mariajhn@lex.infi.net Tue Sep 3 13:02:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: spiderlily Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Theft - $1,000 Reward Date: 25 Aug 1996 21:30:42 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4vqgm2$bij@nw101.infi.net> References: <4vi0ev$6ik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp6.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) >I hate to say it, but what "goes around, comes around". If the >owner is the same person I think it is; aka Blue Ridge Apiaries, >he has left a lot of people holding the bag, as past postings to >this newsgroup will attest. I can only hope that the colonies in >question have found good homes. Maybe a group of ripped off >hobbyists got together and drove down to SC in the middle of the >night and... > > > as John Lennon said: "instant karma's gonna get you" Couldn't agree with you more. Agni Bhaktarama Carbonaria Honey Farm Madhya Pradesh, India --------------------------------------------------------------------- .---. .----------- / \ __ / ------ / / \( )/ ----- ////// ' \/ ` --- //// / // : : --- What is mind? // / / /` '-- No matter. // //..\\ What is matter? ====UU====UU==== Never mind. '//||\\` -Rev. Mahinda ''`` --------------------------------------------------------------------- From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Theft - $1,000 Reward Date: 25 Aug 1996 19:40:51 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vqoa3$em0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4vqgm2$bij@nw101.infi.net> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com In article , Jon Camp writes: >Subject: Re: Bee Theft - $1,000 Reward >From: Jon Camp >Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:50:35 GMT > >I hate to say it, but what "goes around, comes around". If the >owner is the same person I think it is; aka Blue Ridge Apiaries, >he has left a lot of people holding the bag, as past postings to >this newsgroup will attest. I can only hope that the colonies in >question have found good homes. Maybe a group of ripped off >hobbyists got together and drove down to SC in the middle of the >night and... > > There are legitimate ways to deal with your complaints, and I encourage you to do so. However, the point is that there is a serious bee thief active right now. Do you want him (or her) to visit YOUR apiary? When something is in short supply, it is more valuable, and more susceptible to thievery. (I'm trying to get around to all my bees ASAP. -Hope I don't have another theft to post.) Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Here, Clyde, Help Me Tamp Down These Bees!"You're scaring me!(Sigh) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608252114382377@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4vmf1f$o7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Lines: 79 guess I'd better store up some adrenalin. Next spring's P>From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) >Subject: "Here, Clyde, Help Me Tamp Down These Bees!" P> All you guys in good fall honey country that are removing supers to >treat for mites. Do you realize what you are doing? Here in central California a good fall flow is rare, and this is not one of those rare years. In our mild winters singles winter better and are easier to give extra care to then doubles so many good beekeepers knock them all down to singles. There is also a few who also make fall nucs and move them and any dinks to the coastal areas for the early pollen which starts the first week in January one week one way or the other. P> You are shutting down the queens, at least a month early. As soon as >all those bees are jammed into the brood nest, and fall nectar is filling >empty cells, the queen will have nowhere to lay. In this area the bees are on cotton and have reduced broodrearing naturally because of the lack of pollen and beekeepers on the cutting edge are just starting to feed pollen substitutes laced with natural antibiotics and natural mite killers and even some sugar syrup. This will increase into early November depending on the weather. When it gets cold in most cases its too late until spring. P> How are they goina' make the young bees that are needed for the winter >cluster? They'll be going into winter with OLD bees. - A guaranteed >prescription for heavy winter loss. This is a problem, many times those nice fall young bees are reared on poor or single source pollens and don't seem to live that long anyway, or maybe they have less of what it takes to make brood food and burn out early. There is also a grater number of bees showing signs of virus this time of year, (dark hairless bees, which stick out when you are looking at a frame of brood), this is a bad sign and if it is common in all the hives most beekeepers experience problems later from dramatic dwindling. P> But all you guys who are making this drastic management change..... >without testing..... on advice from folks who, by and large, don't keep >bees, or at least don't require them for their livelihood. THINK! I am living proof of that. It's my bees that are dead! P> Get all the honey you can, in whatever form you can, and save it; >don't extract it. I agree with that part "get all the honey you can", but in my own experience it is better to spend the money on sugar and TM and forget about feeding any honey, yours or mine, as it may not be the best food to rear bees on anyway. If you think about it the bees do best during the honeyflow, (nectar), and this you can duplicate with sugar syrup. Frames of honey are nice to have around in emergencies, but figuring the time and labor involved its may be more cost effective to extract the honey and feed the bees "pure" sugar syrup. >Next March, put supers of these onto your light hives. Then when the >weather warms, and your bees are building nicely, take three frames of >brood and make nucs. Put deep frames of honey on either side of the >brood, and let them raise a queen, or give them one. Now, they are better >fed than they could ever be with syrup. Shucks, give them syrup, too. - >Get's them going fast! I tried for years wintering honey with several supers of honey and even in this mild climate it does not work as well as leaving just enough honey so not to have to worry about them starving and planning on supplementing that with sugar syrup for the increased broodrearing and opportunity to get a real idea of what is really in your bee hives early next spring. P> Varroa mites will kill bees. But it also makes a nice whipping boy, >when poor management kills bees. Let's not panic, folks. Think! DITTO, and you can add both mites and just about everything else. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits & nuts, there are beekeepers" From BDFH99A@prodigy.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!agate!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: 26 Aug 1996 04:12:16 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 For the last several weeks I have been harvesting a few full and medium supers of honey above excluders from 9 colonies here on the west side of Calfornia's Central Valley. This is my first year and I started with 10frames of new foundation and packages or swarms. From what I read it is easier to work with 9 frames and upon inspection of the upper brood supers of my hives, I discovered that they were completely filled with capped honey also (no brood,pollen). I decided to steal 1 frame of honey >from this super and space out the remaining 9 using a frame rake. There was also a lot of bridge comb between the bottom & upper brood supers. When I tried to remove the upper for a peak down below, this comb was broken and honey ran everywhere. Honey, wax , bees and my first encounter with more than 1 or 2 guards. I just wanted to close it up pronto. My questions are these: Have I committed a grievous error? Will they fill up the extra space? We have moderate winters here. Should I steal another frame give them back drawn comb. When would be the appropriate time to switch the bottom super to 9 frames and should I be thinking about making nucs or something with these in the spring? Despite my first encounter with truly defensive behavior, I'm having a ball. Peter Wolfe Brentwood, CA (Contra Costa County, no OJ) From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!agate!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:57:18 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3222019E.1514@snds.com> References: <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) The recipe for Grease Patties: Bigger batch: 2 pounds VEGETABLE shortning (Crisco, etc., no animal fats) 3 pounds granulated sugar 3 Tablespoons TM50 (dunno metric equivalent...) Smaller batch (With TM25:) 1/4 lb shortning 1/2 lb granulated sugar 1 tablespoon TM25 Per colony: (from a different source) 1/3 lb shortning 2/3 cup sugar 2 tablespoons TM25 Some of the guys in our club use powdered sugar, which they might eat easier, but I got cautioned on BEE-L that it contains corn starch, and should not be fed in the fall, at least. I would go ahead and treat the weak hives with Apistan, and maybe consider combining them to get built up before winter. Feed them a lot. Gerry Visel From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!agate!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clearer boards Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:03:26 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3222030E.7FF9@snds.com> References: <960825185417225@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Who needs clearer boards? (I have never found one that worked well.) With the nice weather we were having, I extracted this weekend and found it a joy. I took three supers off one of my five hives without a sting. My hives are in our pasture behind the barn. I take the supers off with bees in them and move them about 20 feet to a spot where I set up an old (screened inlet) squirrel cage blower fan aimed at the stack. I moved the frames individually to another super beside the stack, first shaking off most of the bees, then passing each frame in front of the blower, then blowing (by mouth) any few residual bees off. It was great! The "wind" seemed to disorient the bees, and nobody was mad! I took the supers to the picnic table in our back yard, where my daughter then opened the combs with a scratching fork, and I spun them in my two frame extractor on our back steps. Ended up with seven gallons >from three supers. It did start to get fun near the end. A couple wondering field bees discovered us and went home and alerted the forces... I left the extracted supers out on an inverted cover for them to recycle the honey and clean up. Talk about a bunch of happy bees! ("FREE FOOD!!!") I put the honey in square five gallon plastic "jugs" and took it inside. After letting it settle a bit, I poured it through my high-tech filtration system, (a new pair of ladies panty hose with one leg inside the other!) into a plastic five gallon bucket with a honey gate valve on the side at the bottom. I will bottle directly from there after I let the bubbles settle a day or two. It was one of those days that makes it all worth it. I hope you guys feel even half as satisfied this year. Have fun! Gerry Visel GCVisel@SNDS.COM (815) 226-6620 (815) 394-5438 or -2827 (fax) From AAEHEGV@snds.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:14:01 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <32220589.6D5A@snds.com> References: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Generally, it can be stated that burr comb indicates improper bee space. Bee Culture (or was it ABJ) recently ran a comparison of dimensions of woodenware from various sources. It was all different! Some had top bars even with the top of the box, and the space provided under the bottom bar, while some was even at the bottom and recessed at the top! If you mix hardware, bee-ware of screwing up the spacing. If you start with ten frames, and then switch to nine, it will allow them to get them drawn out with minimal chance of burr comb. Then removing the tenth frame lets them draw them out fatter, and gives a bit more space to manipulate the frames. You might want to extract the middle (or every other) frame in the top hive body to give your queen some room to grow and help prevent swarming. Gerry Visel From goomba@worldnet.att.net Tue Sep 3 13:02:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: goomba@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Magazines/Newsletters Date: 26 Aug 1996 19:35:55 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4vsuar$1et@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 121.new-york-003.ny.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) I am a new beekeeper in the New Jersey U.S.A. area. I would like to hear >from "seasoned" hobbyists an what to subscribe to for information. From andy.nachbaur@telis.org Tue Sep 3 13:02:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!news.telis.org!usenet From: Andy Nachbarur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sue Bee Honey Web Page Date: 26 Aug 1996 20:31:26 GMT Organization: beenet.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4vt1iu$o6t@mentor.telis.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: s02-pm02-lncst-t.telis.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: all Under construction, a web page for Sue Bee HONEY! Check it out at...http://www.suebee.com or was it http://www.suehoney.com From andy.nachbaur@telis.org Tue Sep 3 13:03:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!news.telis.org!usenet From: Andy Nachbarur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sue Bee Honey Web Page Date: 26 Aug 1996 20:32:19 GMT Organization: beenet.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4vt1kj$o6t@mentor.telis.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: s02-pm02-lncst-t.telis.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: old,drone Under construction, a web page for Sue Bee HONEY! Check it out at...http://www.suebee.com or was it http://www.suehoney.com From andy.nachbaur@telis.org Tue Sep 3 13:03:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!news.telis.org!usenet From: Andy Nachbarur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sue Bee Honey Web Page Date: 26 Aug 1996 20:33:03 GMT Organization: beenet.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4vt1lv$o6t@mentor.telis.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: s02-pm02-lncst-t.telis.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: old.drone@beenet.com Under construction, a web page for Sue Bee HONEY! Check it out at...http://www.suebee.com or was it http://www.suehoney.com From kohmet@ag.arizona.edu Tue Sep 3 13:03:04 EDT 1996 Article: 5340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newshub.csu.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Kathy Kohmetscher Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cutter bees Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:47:00 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 5 Message-ID: <32220D44.7E77@ag.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: peach.ymf.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) I am looking for any information I can get about cutter bees, especially where to purchase some. Does anyone know who I can contact? I am writing from Yuma, AZ. Thanks, Kathy From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeeder.gi.net!news.mid.net!mr.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More PR on "drop in honey Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608261704402383@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 76 In the SF CHRONICLE "newspaper" Sunday, August 18, 1996 page B-5. SHARP DROP IN HONEYBEES CREATING POLLINATION CRISIS (AP)TUCSON Now the experts are from the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, a prestigious zoo where I have spent as much time as I could checking out the Desert Tortoises which are my favorite's and of which I had a permit to keep a couple of young ones when I lived in Arizona. It's a wonderful place that should be on everyone's "must" visit list, but not my idea of a creditable site for beekeeping information, but I guess the wire services are not that particular and anyone who can write a "puff" piece can get it published via the AP wire service, especially if they have a well known address such as the "Desert Museum". This so called "sharp drop in honeybees" story cites the fact that here in California we need bees each spring to pollinate some 400,000 acres of almonds, and we don't have enough bees and have to import them for other states. This is a fact, but it has nothing to do with any decline in bee populations and a whole lot to do with the fact California has never had a million hives of bee's and if we did we could not pasture them after the almonds so California has for the last 25 years or more been a good place to winter bee hives from out of state and earn a little extra income or improve on a beekeepers cash flow with pollination rentals. The supply truly is not infinite, but to this date as far as I can find out NO almond grower who wanted bees has gone without. Yes there are every year supply adjustments from beekeeper to beekeeper and grower to grower, and each year we all wonder, and sometimes hope for a real shortage so we can charge more but it has to date always balanced out by the time the bloom is on and NO dramatic shortage of bee's in the spring has happened. Will the winter of 96 bring the silent spring of 1997, the year of bee shortages? I doubt it, unless the national honey crop turns out better then it now looks and the average cash price of honey goes above $1.00 per pound and the beekeepers decide they no longer need the "cash flow" from the almond bloom and stay home. This alarmist wire report goes on to to credit honeybees for "1/3 of the food plants people eat" as dependent on honeybee pollination, and cites "cashews". Now I know I am just a OLd Drone but what the insect pollination of "cashew fruit" in SA have to do with the supply of bees in NA goes way over my head when my own two feet are on the ground. I do know a lot about the cashew nut, and how if you think a 12 once bag of those new "phoney fat" potato chips will give you Montazuma's revenge, just try eating a pound of salted whole cashews and tell me it's not the same effect on your GI track. If you ever wondered why all the snak food, and nuts can seldom be found in containers over a pound or so it has to have something to do with protecting the consuming public from finding the LD-50. (lethal dose that will kill 50% of the world population) In any case I am thinking that we are getting close to the LD-50 on news reports on the "death" of the honeybee, and wonder how long until all this becomes "self for filling" on the beekeeping industry. Heck these guy's even go so far as to state the numbers of commercial bee hives in the US has been reduced by half in the last 50 years because of pests, predators, disease, "fear" of killer bees and bad weather. Well it is true some 50 years ago the great war ended, the one Bob Dole, my Dad and Granddad fought in, God Bless them all, and beekeepers did increase the number of hives taking advantage of relative high prices, returning beekeepers from the war, and available pasture. All this has changed, but the price today is now about equal to the 1940's in some buying power, but does not come close to parity which continues to out reach us as new taxes and costs are piled on to the small beekeeper businessman none who can be compared to any of the fortunate 500 in America, yet to this day. ttul OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w) Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. (k) I am a papist, but just in case it makes a difference. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits & nuts, there are beekeepers" From libby@igc.apc.org Tue Sep 3 13:03:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!usenet From: "Libby J. Goldstein" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding Essential Oils to Grease Patties Date: 26 Aug 1996 23:38:06 GMT Organization: Food & Agriculture Task force Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4vtcgv$65u@igc.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp2.igc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:usenet.sci.agriculture.beekeeping Could someone e-mail me the amount of wintergreen oil (or other essntial mint related oils) to add to a grease patty containing 1/4 to 1/3 lb shortening? We'd like to try it in the hives at our community garden. Libby From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Sep 3 13:03:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding Essential Oils to Grease Patties Date: 27 Aug 1996 05:10:46 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4vu00m$cfp@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4vtcgv$65u@igc.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Libby J. Goldstein (libby@igc.apc.org) wrote: : Could someone e-mail me the amount of wintergreen oil (or other essntial : mint related oils) to add to a grease patty containing 1/4 to 1/3 lb : shortening? We'd like to try it in the hives at our community garden. : Libby According to the post the ingredients and quantities were: 4 cups of granulated sugar 2 cups of shortening 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil molded into 8 oz patties inserted in the hive above the cluster. Remember that location is important. - Dave T. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Sep 3 13:03:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils Date: 27 Aug 1996 05:32:18 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4vu192$cfp@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] I have been trying to get someone at EPA, USDA, or FDA to confirm or deny that application of these treatments would render honey illegal for sale. No luck so far, but I'll keep calling. Assuming application of mint oils is effective against mites, it would behoove us to obtain some sort of official sanction for its implementation. I assert this because these treatments appear to be cheaper than apistan, and because use of apistan is (or will be) reducing honey's standing as a "safe," "natural," semi-organic food. (I don't care what the label says about no detectable residues resulting when used properly. And what about the big guys out there using "home remedy?") Also, is anyone else out there worried about the wax pool becoming contaminated? ("Wax Pool..." what a thing to be worried about! Think of the possibilities for opening lines: "Hi, My name's Dave, I get stung a lot and lay awake at night pondering virgin queens, honey vs. pollen production, and the sanctity of our nation's wax pool - would you like to go out for coffee sometime?...") Minimally, this has some serious implications for queen breeding since the "cups" grafted into and used for starting queen cells need to be free of anything that would harm the larvae - and my understanding is that many of the big queen producers buy the cups rather than produce them. I wonder if anyone in the production end is watching this. I would think that this would be one of the first place that miticide residues would begin to be a problem, next perhaps in foundation used for brood frames, and last for foundation used for honey frames. If there's any legitimacy to this concern, we may end up experiencing the problem in the next year or two in the form of commercial queen producers experiencing difficulty in producing queens - even after/if we find a replacement for apistan. Dave T. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sue Bee Honey Web Page Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608262332032384@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 9 Check it out at...http://www.suebee.com or was it http://www.suehoney.com Well I think it was www..suebee.com, also found out what www stands for. Whole World Waiting.. ttul OLd Drone --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From goomba@worldnet.att.net Tue Sep 3 13:03:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: goomba@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeper Date: 27 Aug 1996 12:09:15 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4vuohb$10q@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 107.new-york-003.ny.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) I am new to Hobby Beekeeping. I would like to know what magazines/periodicals should I be reading to learn more about the subject. From jonathan@vislearn.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:03:18 EDT 1996 Article: 5347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!vislearn.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: Jonathan H Robbins Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:59:12 +0100 Organization: Visual Learning Associates Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <32220589.6D5A@snds.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 <95WUkXGnMKbsXE9+K9TaH3GuUd> In article <32220589.6D5A@snds.com>, Gerry Visel writes snipped for brevity > > If you start with ten frames, and then switch to nine, it will allow >them to get them drawn out with minimal chance of burr comb. Then >removing the tenth frame lets them draw them out fatter, and gives a bit >more space to manipulate the frames. You might want to extract the >middle (or every other) frame in the top hive body to give your queen >some room to grow and help prevent swarming. > >Gerry Visel Dear Gerry - follow this and think I understand - but I'm using Langstroth deep brood boxes, are you suggesting using two deep brood boxes, or one plus a shallow, or are you just using shallow ones? Greetings from sunny Dorset in the UK. -- Jonathan H Robbins From jjkm4@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jjkm4@aol.com (JJKM4) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cutter bee info also Date: 27 Aug 1996 13:06:21 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4vv9ud$9vt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jjkm4@aol.com (JJKM4) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com i am looking for cutter bee info also From libby@igc.apc.org Tue Sep 3 13:03:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!usenet From: "Libby J. Goldstein" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding Essential Oils to Grease Patties Date: 27 Aug 1996 17:27:20 GMT Organization: Food & Agriculture Task force Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4vvb5o$74n@igc.apc.org> References: <4vtcgv$65u@igc.apc.org> <4vu00m$cfp@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp21.igc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu X-URL: news:4vu00m$cfp@netnews.upenn.edu Thanks so much. I'll pass the info on to our resident beekeeper. Libby From worrell@cbl.cees.edu Tue Sep 3 13:03:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.ums.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.edu!cbl.cees.edu!worrell From: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Date: 27 Aug 1996 22:10:20 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4vvroc$657@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: <4vuohb$10q@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] goomba@worldnet.att.net wrote: : I am new to Hobby Beekeeping. I would like to know what : magazines/periodicals should I be reading to learn more about the : subject. The best bet for the novice IMHO is Bee Culture produced by: A.I.Root 623 W.Liberty St. Medina OH 44256 1-800-289-7668 Ext 3220 email bculture @AOL.com rates 1 yr. 16.50 US 26.00 foreign 2 yr. 30.00 US 48.00 foreign -- Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:25 EDT 1996 Article: 5351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:08:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 27 8:09:43 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) wrote: >Can anyone give me a simple recipe for GREASE PATTIES. >Please include AMOUNTS since every recipe I have seen pretty much says to >mix grease(Crisco) with sugar but the amounts are very vague. >Also, how about adding Terramycin to the patties? How much there? (1) 6.4 oz. pk. Terramycin 2-1/2 lbs. Crisco 5 lbs. Granulated Sugar Mix the dry ingredients thorougly, then mix with Criscoo. Divide into 15 equal portions and flatten into patties. From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Sep 3 13:03:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Date: 28 Aug 1996 06:41:50 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 5 Message-ID: <500pne$q82@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <4vuohb$10q@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line257.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: goomba@worldnet.att.net X-URL: news:4vuohb$10q@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net Let me also suggest two other items, the American Bee Journal is also an excellent magazine. Also suggest you join a local bee club, lots of good advice and often loan of things like an extractor. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info on Afro bees Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608272305272387@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 74 >LMF>From: Luis Miguel Fresnedo > >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:29:48 -0700 > >Subject: Info on Afro bees > >LMF>I4m a mountain biker with absolutely no knowledge of bee behavior, but > >two days ago a friend and I were riding around a small dam in central > >Sonora, a northern Mexican state bordering with Arizona, and we were > >suddenly attacked by bees, for no apparent reason. We never even saw > >where they came from. I was stung only once, and my friend got 4 or 5. > >Nothing serious or painful, but this raised a few questions: > >Bueno DeeOss Friend Luis, > >Sonora, a beautiful state in Mexico for sure, roads are not all that >good sometimes. > >LMF>1. What are you supposed to do when attacked by bees (Afro or not)? > >1st. Get out of the area as fast as you can, without panic if that is >possible. Some say bees can fly 35 miles per hour, but lucky for us for >only a short distance. Attacking bees are not going to follow you for >much more then a few hundred yards and less in a forest or the brush. > >LMF>2. Are there any repellents that people like myself can use or take when > >we go out riding ? > >2nd. None that really work as far as I know. Light colored clothing, and >hats that cover the hair helps. The best defence is to stay away from >any identified bee sites. > >LMF>3. What about first aid for attack victims ? > >3rd. After getting away from the attacking bees remove stingers,(if they >were honeybee, there will be stingers). Popping a cold pill of the >antihistamine type may give some relief. Try not to panic. Pain and >discomfort are normal, followed by swelling that may be uncomfortable >but will not normally not last more then a few hours to a few days. This >is normal. > >LMF>4. Are we in real danger ? > >4th. Yes, there is always real danger for people who do not know if they >are allergic and find themselves with allergic reactions out in the bush >at some distance from medical help. For those people who know they are >allegoric there are self administered drugs that can carried and used >if stung and can save their life. Few people are allergic to bees, and >to the rest of us there will be immediate pain, followed by swelling. >Anyone who has after being stung finds difficulty breathing is in danger >and should seek medical attention AT ONCE. It is not the number of bee >stings, but the degree of that persons own allergic response. One bee >sting can be as bad as 100. Again, don't panic. > >LMF>I would really appreciate it if you could provide info or suggest > >readings related to the subject. > >It is always a good idea if you are going to be in situations that >could put your health at risk to visit with your personal doctor and >determine if you are allergic to bees. If you find yourself allergic >there are doctor administrated treatments that can change that for you. > > ttul Andy- Andy: Thanks for your quick answer. I guess I found out that I am not allergic to bees the hard way... You are right about Sonoran roads. That is why mountain biking is the way to go... Once again, thanks. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:03:29 EDT 1996 Article: 5354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:31:58 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net>, Justin Case writes > >Also, how about adding Terramycin to the patties? How much there? > >And now that everyone is talking about mint oils, (although still >experimental) about how much oil of wintergreen might I try adding to these >patties while I am at it? OK I've tried but I can't resist. I just love the idea of someone called Just in Case adding everything to his grease patties, 'just in case.' Sorry Justin, no offence I hope. You must be by name and by nature a 'belt and braces' man and used to the odd jest :-) I am curious about something more general though, which you guys may have discussed already. Many of the Europeans, followed by some in the US, have raised concerns about contaminates, esp. fluvalinates, in the wax 'stream'. I see much less concern about the prophylactic use of things like terramycin or fumagillin. Why not ? Both are storing up trouble for the future, but you seem content to use one and worry about another. Or maybe I'm not paying close enough attention. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From an563795@anon.penet.fi Tue Sep 3 13:03:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) Subject: Re: Grease Patties Organization: Infinity LTD Distribution: world References: <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 18:06:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.51 Message-ID: <32248aad.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 18 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net!ns In article , Dave Black wrote: >OK I've tried but I can't resist. I just love the idea of someone called >Just in Case adding everything to his grease patties, 'just in case.' >Sorry Justin, no offence I hope. You must be by name and by nature a >'belt and braces' man and used to the odd jest :-) Yesf, I want to add Oil of Wintergreen to Terramycin Grease Patties "just in case" there is a problem. This is the second year that I have been battling varroa and each year I lose half my colonies. I split hives in the spring and lose half in the fall. Really frustrating. (However, I have two hives that are incredibly strong and I sure hope I am seeing the beginning of some mite resistance. I will definitely do splits from these in the Spring.) BTW, I live in New Orleans where it RARELY freezes and even more rarely snows. We always have some flowers in bloom in our sub- tropical environment. This makes it VERY difficult to keep honey from being stored during varroa (apistan) treatment. From mvdfv@mvcss.mv.att.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:32 EDT 1996 Article: 5356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.att.com!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvcss.mv.att.com (david_f_verville) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Brunswick Beekeepers Date: 28 Aug 1996 20:06:29 GMT Organization: AT&T Lines: 6 Distribution: na Message-ID: <5028s5$88m@nntpb.cb.lucent.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mvcss.mv.lucent.com Be free most of Wednesday/Thursday Sept 4 and 5 Dave Verville dverville@lucent.com From miksahf@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Essential Oils Date: 28 Aug 1996 21:05:43 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <502qd8$lop@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4vu192$cfp@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Just use the #@^&$# oils for the better health of the colonies "IE" DON'T make any claims of being a killer of mites.......only thing I care is the right foods given to bees will make their bodies strong. If you decide what contaminates your colonies,,,, follow a bee for several days, it gathers water from a canal behind a facrory of you know what, sat on a cow pie, pesticides on crops, air with dirt, gas, rubber from a main highway used to ripen honey. As long as it is food and human grade supplements I'll use them on myself too. Your inquiries to FDA EPA HRS USDA etc etc brings tears to my eyes. I'am a queen breeder who makes and uses beeswax queencell cups of over 100,000 per year, yes, I only use my own wax. Keep the weeds out of your garden! From gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:03:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive robbing, how to stop it Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:18:54 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <199608282218.XAA00655@apis.demon.co.uk> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Mail2News-Path: mail-1.mail.demon.net!post.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk In article <32161175.77193187@netnews.worldnet.att.net> you wrote: : What suggestions do you folks have to stop hive robbing by other : hives? Where I live is residential enough that a major relocation is : near impossible. Would a hundred feet or so be enough? They are now : located about 12 feet apart. I've screened off or blocked most of the : access into the weaker hive, but the problem appears to continue. : Thanks. : Norm Bolser The guidelines for moving hives is "less than three feet or more than three miles". That's because bees know _very_ accurately where they live and can forage for around a half of that three miles distance and may find their way back to their 'old' site. If you move the weak hive away 100 ft, most of it's foragers will return to the old site and it will get weaker still. You could move the robber hive away 100ft and leave _it's_ foragers lost -- then they would go into the weak colony and boost _it's_ strength. Otherwise it's a long distance move and/or close the entrance down _very_ small -- under real pressure, I close down to about 3/4"x3/8". That should give some clues to the best aproach for your situation. Consider what the bees need and try to help them help themselves. Best of luck, regards, Gordon. -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Embryo Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic acid Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:54:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608281915312394@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 51 *FYI* Crossed from the BEE-List because it is interesting. ---------------------------------------- From: "Richard C. van Ouwerkerk" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:35:02 +0200 Subject: Formic acid Organization: Planet Internet There is certainly a lot of talk about formic acid against varroa mites. In Holland, as probably in many other countries the use of formic acid is officially not yet allowed, but still we want to give it a try. On a fair we found little containers that could be mounted inside a low frame and hung between other frames in the brood area. They will hold some 150 ml of fluid and are manufactured in Berlin. The principle is that of a bottle filled with water and put upside down in in a saucer to water the birds in your garden. In the cup you stick some kind of paper wick, so the fluid will evaporate slowly over a couple of weeks. Interesting, but where do you buy formic acid? Thirty years ago it could easily be bought in any drugstore for just about peanuts (as the dutch say for a fart and three marbles), but today it seems like it has disappeared from the face of the earth. Nobody wants to order it for you and nobody even knows where from. We went to the farmacy here and also in Belgium and it turned out they could order it, but the price would be about $100 for a gallon! Then all of a sudden an agricultural advisor turned up and got me ten gallons for about $75. That's better! The datasheet that comes with the formic acid applicator references an paper by a German entomologist on the results. Anybody tried it and can tell us if FA is any good? It is a nasty skin etching stuff that ants use for chemical warfare, but it still seems a lot more natural than Apistan to me. 73's Richard -- Richard C. van Ouwerkerk, arts email richardc@pi.net anesthesioloog PE1KFM Geerdinkhof 529 telephone & fax +31 20 6953246 1103 RH AMSTERDAM ZUIDOOST The Netherlands "Das ist wirklich groszartig, Herr Kollege, was sie da geleistet haben" Einstein --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Essaim de Mai, Vache a Lait Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 81 tHE OLd Drone was surfing the net for good bee things and finds this old beekeepers folk song but I must warn you that if your son or daughter sings this around the camp fire you may owe ASCAP some spare change. ttul Andy- BTW: If you have already seen this or if I posted it before think nothing about it as I am having trouble keeping track of the mail in our beekeeping news group because of problems with other's mail servers that has put me on the outs and if I don't answer someone's comment it is not because I am stuck in the mud, it more then likely I did not get a shot at it in the first place. Added to that the disappearance of my posted mail file last week from my off line mail reader which can be expected when you never delete it and it grows and grows until it gets zapped, what a bummer. It really does seem that all this technology is not getting that much better just bigger...I do have several thousand beekeeper messages ON-LINE at Wild Bee's BBS (209) 826-8107 for anyone that wants to catch up and can stand the cost of the call. We all need to start a tread on what beekeepers are using to keep up with the technology and bee mail, and the ever expanding web pages of interest to beekeepers. It appears to me that again beekeepers and others interested in bees and beekeepers have again topped all other agricultural commodity groups in web pages some of which are getting real nice. Nothing seen of the National Honey Board, yet? I did find the Canadian Honey Co-Op and the page under construction from Sue Bee Honey Co-Op, but no NHB. -<30>- Subject: Killer_Bees.lyrics.txt Artist: The Bobs Song: Killer Bees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (c) 1984 Gunnar Madsen and Richard Greene, Best of Breed Music (ASCAP) All Rights Reserved. Used by Permission. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ They're coming...at the rate of 300 miles a year... They started in Brazil, And came north through Nicaragua We call them killer bees The Sandinistas call them their "freedom fighters" An evil empire of Godless, Marxist bugs How can they be stopped?! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming They're going to swarm across the Rio Grande Insects need no green cards They fly too low to be picked up on radar How can you just say "no" to bugs? And as they spread their Marxist pollen from flower to flower, They corrupt our pure, all American bees Remember, that the words of the devil are always dipped in honey! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming They're going to swarm across the Rio Grande July 4th, 1990, when the dreaded bees are due to hit our border We'll have "Cans across America" Insecticide Program And every able citizen will smoke cigars And from San Diego to Brownsville Special SWAT teams will stand shoulder to shoulder... Remember America, these are red bees... all workers, no drones! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming Get our your can of spray and make a stand! -EOF- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits & nuts, there are beekeepers" From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Sep 3 13:03:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive robbing, how to stop it Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 11:05:16 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 37 Message-ID: <503tim$hid@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <199608282218.XAA00655@apis.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <199608282218.XAA00655@apis.demon.co.uk>, Gordon Scott wrote: >In article <32161175.77193187@netnews.worldnet.att.net> you wrote: >: What suggestions do you folks have to stop hive robbing by other >: hives? Where I live is residential enough that a major relocation is >: near impossible. Would a hundred feet or so be enough? They are now >: located about 12 feet apart. I've screened off or blocked most of the >: access into the weaker hive, but the problem appears to continue. >: Thanks. > > Interchange the two hives. The bees will all find a home where they expect it, and the two hives should equalize somewhat in strength -- hopefully eliminating the robbing. Since the robbers will now be in the weak hive attempting to rob the stronger, things should settle down. (Find out why the weaker colony is so weak, or you will soon have two weak colonies). Keep entrances reduced as much as possible -- use screens to provide ventillation on top or in the entrance if more air is needed than a small entrance can provide. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Sep 3 13:03:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 12:52:08 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 64 Message-ID: <5043r0$hid@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <9608281915312394@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >There is certainly a lot of talk about formic acid against varroa mites. >In Holland, as probably in many other countries the use of formic acid >is officially not yet allowed, but still we want to give it a try. > >On a fair we found little containers that could be mounted inside a low >frame and hung between other frames in the brood area. They will hold >some 150 ml of fluid and are manufactured in Berlin. >The principle is that of a bottle filled with water and put upside down >in in a saucer to water the birds in your garden. In the cup you stick >some kind of paper wick, so the fluid will evaporate slowly over a >couple of weeks. This is a slow release method. Some studies have shown that although it is effective against mites, honey production suffers. Canadian practice is to dilute formic to 65%, then soak the absorptive plastic encased pads that are used here in the bottom of meat packages at the grocers with 30 to 40 ml of the dilte acid. The pads are about 4-1/2 by 5 inches as I recall. Using the pads eliminates most of the (dangerous)liquid acid transporting that is necessary in other methods. All the necessary pads are placed in a pail overnight with the necessary amount of acid, and in the morning it is pretty well all soaked up. These pads are them placed with tongs on the centre of the top bars of a two story standard hive. After 7 days or so the pads are replaced with another such. This is repaeted for a total of 4 or 5 treatments. Hives are left open at the entrance, and apparently no problem if the bees are flying ot not. Temperatures should allow for loose cluster to no cluster. >Interesting, but where do you buy formic acid? It is a commercial chemical, available at the places with Van Waters & Rogers in Canada. A hazardous good certificate is required and there are restrictions on transport. This is the concentrate (80%?) and must be diluted for safety for the bees and the humans handling it. MAke sure you know the correct method. Boiling acid is no fun. Once diluted, it is still nasty stuff, if mishandled, but no worse than muriatic acid IMO. Safety precautions are required when handling -- you don't want it in your eyes. A leaky glove will result in skin loss fairly quickly -- without any warning pain -- you get the idea? Good luck. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:03:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:16:50 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> <32248aad.0@news.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <32248aad.0@news.acadiacom.net>, Justin Case writes > > (However, I have two hives that are > incredibly strong and I sure hope I am seeing the beginning of some > mite resistance. I will definitely do splits from these in the > Spring.) Mite Resitance !! Be lucky ! Seriously though, > > I live in New Orleans where it RARELY freezes and even more > rarely snows. We always have some flowers in bloom in our sub- > tropical environment. This makes it VERY difficult to keep honey > from being stored during varroa (apistan) treatment. > Have you integrated your treatment with splits ? If you split or artificially swarm you can arrange things so there is one colony with brood and one without. Treat the one without using Apistan for 96 hours. There's no brood cycle to treat and not much wax about so the knockdown of phoretic mites is what you want. Honey contamination is not much of worry 'cos the fluvalinate is fat soluble. You could do this with lactic acid if you really don't like Apistan. Take your pick of treatments for the colony with brood. You could for example use six weeks of Apistan and then ditch the combs, treat with formic acid and benefit from handling smaller quantities and not risking your good queens, when the brood's sealed how about dusting with talc, set up a trap frame with drone brood or even try your essential oils. Don't despair, you're going to have to manage this for a long time and you've only just started ! Your bees will thank you in the long run. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for bees Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608290755242397@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 23 *FYI* Now that is a rare post from a nice lady who wants a local beekeeper to put bees in her back yard. The last time I heard about one of these the back yard was 40 acres of almonds and the guy was looking for Free Bees to pollinate his $50,000.00 crop. ---------------------------------------- From: Betty B Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:29:02 -0700 Subject: Looking for bees My backyard is aching for a bee hive or two. Here in West Seattle, the weather is temperate and we have flowers of some sort most of the year, and several fruit trees. We do not use pesticides. The people who lived here a few years ago kept bees. Is there anyone in the area who would like to put a stand or two of bees here? I don't want to buy them, just give them a good home for a while. Betty B --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, From agent86@sk.sympatico.ca Tue Sep 3 13:03:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!news@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca From: agent86 Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt,agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping, Subject: Free Labels Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:56:49 -0700 Organization: SaskNet News Distribution Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3225E7F1.6E8B@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad47.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-SYMPA (Win16; I) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:46 alt:3825 alt.agriculture.misc:5894 alt.sustainable.agriculture:14541 sci.agriculture:13692 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5366 I am giving away Free return address labels with your choice of ANY 1 graphic image. I have tonnes of agricultural images! check out the web site below. http://members.tripod.com/~022591/index.html From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608291701012402@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> Lines: 30 J>From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) >Subject: Re: Grease Patties J>an563795@anon.penet.fi (Justin Case) wrote: J>>Can anyone give me a simple recipe for GREASE PATTIES. >>Please include AMOUNTS since every recipe I have seen pretty much says to >>mix grease(Crisco) with sugar but the amounts are very vague. J>>Also, how about adding Terramycin to the patties? How much there? J>(1) 6.4 oz. pk. Terramycin >2-1/2 lbs. Crisco >5 lbs. Granulated Sugar J>Mix the dry ingredients thorougly, then mix with Criscoo. Divide into >15 equal portions and flatten into patties. Very interesting diet, I am sure it works but I wonder about the amount of TM ? A 6.4 oz package should be enough to protect 50 hives for as long as the diet lasts and I assume that you are using it on 15. I think I would try doubling the fat and sugar with that amount of TM and reduce the cost and not gamble on the LD 50 for TM, but maybe someone knows why so much TM is recommended? ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Nor will a bee buzz round two swelling peaches, From drees@winshop.com.au Tue Sep 3 13:03:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.vbc.net!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!corolla.OntheNet.com.au!news From: "Pastor David Rees" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Defensive Hive Date: 30 Aug 1996 05:54:45 GMT Organization: On the Net : Internet on the Gold Coast (Australia) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bb9637$894fd9e0$1e7f16cb@david> NNTP-Posting-Host: dpc-21.winshop.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I have to requeen a very aggressive hive and DPI have cautioned that they could kill the new queen when introduced. Someone suggested I sprinkle talcum powder over the top of the brood chamber and bees when or prior to introducing the new queen. The theory is that by the time they have cleaned themselves up from the scent of the powder they will have accepted the new queen. I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, help before I try this. Thanks David From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:03:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mcsun!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Defensive Hive Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:50:47 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bb9637$894fd9e0$1e7f16cb@david> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <01bb9637$894fd9e0$1e7f16cb@david>, Pastor David Rees writes >I have to requeen a very aggressive hive and DPI have cautioned that they >could kill the new queen when introduced. Someone suggested I sprinkle >talcum powder over the top of the brood chamber and bees when or prior to >introducing the new queen. Well, it might work. Putting her alone in a hair roller cage with a candy plug (a delay cage) does work. Are you experimenting or beekeeping ? Remember, the secret as I understand it is to exchange like for like. Assuming the introduced queen's not a virgin, she may still need some time and feeding to return to laying condition, which is the type of queen you're taking out. Put on some feed and cage her are the most basic precautions. I know there are some experts in the field out there, I wonder if they agree ? -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distillation info here Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:17:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608292131442403@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 39 ---------------------------------------- *FYI* Just found the timely post and don't have any idea if it is a rip off or something some of you would bee interested in. Here in California we are blessed with many eucalyptus trees that could be used for home distillation and many other natural plants such as horehound and a few wild mint like plants. If anyone has an extra $25 and wants to let us know if this is something that some of us would be interested in please let us know. ttul Andy- PS I would try a few searches of the internet first as this maybe public information that anyone can get for free. ---------------------------------------- From: headhunt@adam.com.au (HeadHunter) Subject: Distillation info here ------------- Home Distillation --------------- Complete instructions and guide on how to distill volatile liquids ie. ethanol or essential oils. This guide explains all equipment used (simple and most available in any home), techniques and provides data needed for safety. Complete with drawings and extensive instructions. Distillation may be illegal in your locality and owning a still may be illegal however all of the equipment used is available in the home for other purposes. The guide is for education purposes only and does not condone illegal use. The guide only costs $25.00 and will be emailed to you. Payment in cash, Mastercard, Visa, Amex, NO cheques. Email headhunt@adam.com.au for order form. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits & nuts, there are beekeepers" From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:03:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new product varroa mites Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608292131442404@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3tsn9c$73d@netnews.upenn.edu> <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> Lines: 42 Anyone know what became of this idea as reported in the BEE WORLD and under consideration of USDA field testing? I have quoted the whole abstracts as it is hard to abstract the abstract and make much sense. My apologies to the editor of BEE WORLD. ttul Andy- --------start-of-copyrighted-material-via-gopher------------------- ABSTRACTS FROM BEE WORLD Volume 76(2) 1995 IMDORF, A; BOGDANOV, S; KILCHENMANN, V; MAQUELIN, C. Apilife VAR: a new varroacide with thymol as the main ingredient. pp 77-83. Apilife VAR is composed of a vermiculite tablet (5 x 9 x 1 cm) impregnated with a mixture of thymol (76%), eucoplyptol (16.4%), menthol (3.8%) and camphor (3.8%). It has been authorized in Italy for use in controlling Varroa jacobsoni infestations of honey bee colonies, and this article describes studies by research institutes in Switzerland. The recommended treatment involves placing one tablet on the upper part of the brood combs, leaving it for 3-4 weeks, then replacing it with a second tablet which is also left for 3-4 weeks. The studies described showed that Apilife VAR is simple to use. It is appropriate especially for the treatment of Swiss-type and single-storey hives, and if correctly applied and the temperatures are optimal an efficiently of more than 95% can be expected. In Dadant and multiple-storey hives, efficiency is lower and varies considerably from colony to colony. High efficiency is not always guaranteed. With a natural mite-fall of more than one mite per day during the 2 weeks after the application, another treatment may be needed or measures should be taken in the following year (e.g. removing drone brood or formation of nucleus) to reduce the mite population. There is not accumulation of residues in beeswax with extended use of Apilife VAR. NNTP-Posting-Host: crane.ukc.ac.uk The newsreader I use had trouble presenting the recent essential oils posting, and failed completely when I tried to save the posting to a file. There were presumably some unrecognized control codes embedded in the message. Can someone repost the report, or point me to a site where it is stored? Thanks. Roger Hardy From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Tue Sep 3 13:04:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.2sprint.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distillation info here Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:06:14 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <506mb4$ccv@library.airnews.net> References: <9608292131442403@beenet.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal15-12.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: >PS I would try a few searches of the internet first as this maybe >public information that anyone can get for free. This is available FREE on the Internet -- its available at a FTP/ gopher site. I don't have the address of it handy right at the moment but no need to spend the $25 for it. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Sep 3 13:04:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distillation info here Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 13:00:31 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 27 Message-ID: <506omp$q3o@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <9608292131442403@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp24.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <9608292131442403@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: ---------------------------------------- >*FYI* Just found the timely post and don't have any idea if it is >a rip off or something some of you would bee interested in. Here >in California we are blessed with many eucalyptus trees that could >be used for home distillation and many other natural plants such as >horehound and a few wild mint like plants. If anyone has an extra >$25 and wants to let us know if this is something that some of us >would be interested in please let us know. This info should be available free in your local library. If not, any decent home wine making store will have a pile of books on hand. Usually there'll be one about distilling -- in detail -- for less than $25. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Tue Sep 3 13:04:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cc.gatech.edu!prism!usenet From: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spearmint Date: 30 Aug 1996 11:23:05 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 15 Sender: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Message-ID: <0dn2zcc2w6.fsf@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <1072@crane.ukc.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmey-prism.gatech.edu In-reply-to: R.B.Hardy@ukc.ac.uk's message of Fri, 30 Aug 96 09:10:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 The web page for the whole article is at http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm Jef -- ========================================================================== "There is more to life than increasing its speed...." Mohandas K. Gandhi Jef Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu ========================================================================== From pollinator@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.elim.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!noos.hooked.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Starlings of the Yellow Jacket World Date: 30 Aug 1996 10:07:07 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 43 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <506sib$3rf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com This is the time of year when you hear a lot of fussing about yellow jackets. (Or, if the fusser hasn't looked too closely -- "bees" -- which seems to mean "anything that stings.") Bees are important pollinators, yellow jackets do little pollination. So we need to protect bees, and kill yellow jackets -- Right? Actually yellow jackets have an old and honorable tradition. Our native yellow jackets (hundreds of species) are an important biological control for pest insects. They LOVE to catch and feed their young that fat juicy caterpillar that's munching on your cabbage. And they do a little pollination too. But we have one scoundrel amongst them - the German yellow jacket. It was accidently imported in the 1940's and has spread across the continent. It has no significant enemies here, so it overpopulates, crowding out and replacing more beneficial types. It also is a scavanger. ...And has a sweet tooth. By mid-summer, when populations are built up, to the first killing freeze, they'll be out looking for your soda, or anything sweet you throw into the dumpster. They can be a royal pest at the Labor Day picnic. And, if you run your mower over their underground nest, they will sting like fury. There is a file common around university or extension web sites, which you can usually find by running a search at the site. One is at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/gene ral/ yellowjackets/ This will tell you how to kill yellow jackets. Now if you see your local handyman-type yellow jacket, be nice to it. But if it is the German yellow jacket, the starling of the yellow jacket world, you have permission to kill it, and all her sisters. For a picture of a German yellow jacket, which is smaller than a honeybee, stop by http://users.aol.com/pollinator/compare.htm This, compared to a honeybees can help in identification. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From ewhitevhp@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 8 recipes from honey & beeswax Date: 30 Aug 1996 18:44:53 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 203 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <507qt5$dfo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Honey & beeswax recipes for products Excerpts from the book: "Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make 360 useful products that contain honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White Copyright 1993 ISBN 0-9637539-7-5 Available from bookstores, libraries and directly from the publisher. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Petroleum Jelly Petroleum jelly is easy to make and it is an ingredient of many other products. Naturalists may substitute a natural oil, such as grapeseed oil or sweet almond oil, for the baby or mineral oil to create an "un-petroleum" jelly. 1 ounce (weight) beeswax 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil Melt the beeswax in a microwave or a double boiler. Stir in the mineral oil. Remove the mixture from the heat and stir until cool. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Skin Cream 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant essential oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. --------------------------------------------------------------- Beeswax Polish Beeswax furniture polish with its soft, satin shine is considered the ultimate in wood care. 4 ounces (weight) beeswax 2 tablespoons carnauba wax 2 1/2 cups odorless turpentine Melt the waxes on high in a microwave or in a double boiler. Remove the waxes >from the heat and stir in the turpentine. Apply the polish with a clean cloth and rub in small circles. Turn the cloth as it becomes dirty. Allow the polish to dry, then buff with a clean cloth. If more than one coat is desired, wait 2 days between applications. --------------------------------------------------------------- Lip Gloss Lipstick colors this easy formula for lip gloss. This is a good way to use lipstick that is too dark because the gloss will be a lighter color. 1 teaspoon grated beeswax 1/2 teaspoon lipstick 1/2 teaspoon petroleum jelly Melt the ingredients in a small can placed in boiling water. Stir it well and pour it into a small jar. --------------------------------------------------------------- Dispersing Bath Oil Most bath oils simply float on water. Dispersing bath oil mixes evenly with water, clings to skin and forms a thin, even coating. 1 whole egg 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil 2 teaspoons liquid detergent 1/4 cup vodka 2 tablespoons honey 1/4 cup whole milk Fragrant essential oil (optional) Liquid food coloring (optional) Mix all ingredients in a blender for 30 seconds. Use only 1 or 2 tablespoons of the oil in a bathtub of water. Shelf-life at room temperature is about 18 months! --------------------------------------------------------------- Chapped-lip Balm Simple petroleum jelly is good for chapped lips, but this formula is even better. 1 tablespoon grated beeswax (1/2 oz.) 1 tablespoon petroleum jelly 1 teaspoon honey 1 tablespoon lanolin 3 to 4 drops essential oil Melt the wax, lanolin and petroleum jelly in a microwave. Add the honey and essential oil. Essential oil of peppermint, eucalyptus, wintergreen and camphor slightly numb painful lips. Stir the mixture until it cools. --------------------------------------------------------------- Skin Care Bar This unique product is a bit greasy for hands, but I like it to apply emollients to feet, elbows, etc. Easy to make and smells wonderful--naturally. Simply melt equal WEIGHTS of sweet almond oil and beeswax. Pour this into a bar-shaped mold and allow it to cool. Rub the bar over skin to apply the emollient properties of the ingredients. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Suppliers: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Route 1, Box 135 Moravian Falls, NC 28654 1-800-BEESWAX Sells beeswax, carnauba wax, and containers for creams & polishes. Haussmann's Pharmacy 534-536 W. Girard Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19123 (215) 627-2143 Sells herbs, oils, lanolin & borax. Lavender Lane 6715 Donerail Sacramento, CA 95842 (916) 334-4400 Sells oils & waxes for cosmetics. Sunburst Bottle Company 7001 Sunburst Way Citrus Heights, CA 95621 (916) 722-4632 Sells jars, bottles & containers for practically everything! Sax Arts & Crafts Post Office Box 51710 New Berlin, WI 53151-0710 1-800-558-6696 Sells "everything your art desires," waxes & odorless turpentine. --------------------------------------------------------------- WANT MORE? Valley Hills Press has lots more! 1) "Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make more than 360 useful products that contain honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White. ISBN 0-9637539-7-5 $14.95 US funds, postpaid to US & Canada Other countries, $18.95 US funds, postpaid 2) New! First Timer Wine-Making Kit Make 1 gallon of award-winning mead! (Honey Concord Wine). Ready in 1 month! You buy honey and grape juice from a grocer--this kit contains everything else you need! $18.95 US funds, postpaid to US & Canada. Not shipped to other countries. 3) "Soap Recipes: Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern soap with herbs, beeswax and vegetable oils" 224-page book. Easy recipes to make great soap right in your kitchen with common kitchen equipment. $29.95 postpaid to US and other countries. Have your Visa or Master Card handy and order toll-free! 1-800-323-7102 (US & Canada) Other countries call 601-323-7100. or Mail payment (US funds only. Visa/Master Card accepted) to: Valley Hills Press 108 E Garrard Rd #202-A Starkville, MS 39759 USA Fax orders to (601) 323-7100 Want more details about these and other fun products like soapmaking? Send email with your snail mail name and address to: EWhiteVHP@aol.com. Retail/wholesale prices available. Request a free brochure! end Elaine C. White C/O Valley Hills Press 1864 Ridgeland Drive Starkville MS 39759 USA Telephone: 601-323-7100 From tpruss@usra.edu Tue Sep 3 13:04:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!centauri.hq.nasa.gov!NewsWatcher!user From: tpruss@usra.edu (Tim Pruss) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: http://www.agview.com Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:51:09 -0500 Organization: Information Dynamics, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.182.244.69 New Site Released. AgView - a search and index tool to help navigate the internet for data, information, and resources related to Agriculture. http://www.agview.com From r.j.yates@open.ac.uk Tue Sep 3 13:04:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!mcsun!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Very agressive hive Date: 30 Aug 1996 12:08:53 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 20 Message-ID: <506lkl$5d0@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <01bb8b66$ab6a0e00$6f3c10cb@drobb> <2Yul3DAw4cHyEwOM@gandboss.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: r.j.yates@open Someone writes: >I have a very agressive hive and last time I checked it I was stung many >times [...] 1) Odd circumstance, or general with this stock? 2) Dress up well & look carefully at colony and hive for clues. If they can't get you, you'll feel lots safer and your technique may improve (very sorry if I'm stating the obvious). 3) Robbing? 4) No point in smoking a starving colony. 5) No point in smoking a colony which has no access to unsealed honey (i.e. all capped). Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. From hcohen@borg.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns2.borg.com!usenet From: Howard Cohen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sourwood honey Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:24:20 -0400 Organization: Borg Lines: 15 Message-ID: <32279444.2115@borg.com> Reply-To: hcohen@borg.com NNTP-Posting-Host: l51.borg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b8Gold (Win95; I) Hello All! I am a beekeeper of over 20 years and have collected honey worldwide. I do not however have a sample of sourwood honey. If any of you reading this message is interested in a honey sample exchange, please email me and I will send you a 1 lb. queenline jar of Central New york State honey upon the receipt of the same of sourwood. I will also extend this offer to others that have a unique flower source. Please, if you are interested, e-mail me first so that I am not bombarded with samples. Thanks to all, Howie Cohen South Woods Honey Farm Utica, NY USA From ewhitevhp@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Government Publications Date: 30 Aug 1996 18:43:01 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <507qpl$df6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com To receive a free brochure listing 60 free government publications about beekeeping: send a self-addressed, stamped envelope and request: "Freebies About Bees" Mail to: Valley Hills Press 108 E Garrard Rd #202-A Starkville MS 39759 Will be sent free outside the USA Elaine C. White C/O Valley Hills Press 1864 Ridgeland Drive Starkville MS 39759 USA Telephone: 601-323-7100 From cdg1@concentric.net Tue Sep 3 13:04:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Government Publications List ? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 05:40:09 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <508jkm$7qq@herald.concentric.net> References: <507qpl$df6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057042.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Elaine: Could you post the listing here ? Charles ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) wrote: >To receive a free brochure listing 60 free government publications about >beekeeping: send a self-addressed, stamped envelope and request: >"Freebies About Bees" >Mail to: >Valley Hills Press >108 E Garrard Rd #202-A >Starkville MS 39759 >Will be sent free outside the USA >Elaine C. White >C/O Valley Hills Press >1864 Ridgeland Drive >Starkville MS 39759 USA >Telephone: 601-323-7100 From walter@walter.airtime.co.uk Tue Sep 3 13:04:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.airtime.co.uk!walter.airtime.co.uk!walter From: walter@walter.airtime.co.uk (walter Holmes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re grease patties Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:54:09 Organization: None Specified Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: walter.airtime.co.uk X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I missed the start of all this. What are grease patties, what do they do. & what the eck is crisco. If all this is for treatment of varroa, thank the stars I haven't seen it yet Walter Holmes Lancashire England From sos@inetp.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!news From: "Stuart Schmitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! What do I do now? Date: 31 Aug 1996 00:29:05 GMT Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bb96e3$e3496040$31f094cd@sos.cswnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.148.240.49 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I'm a neophyte bee keeper with one hobby hive. My hive is a year and a half old. I have two hive bodies that I've never opened. The upper one seems to be full of honey. I would like to harvest some of the honey in the upper hive body but don't want to damage the hive. I did get six frames of honey from the one super I have. ??Can I remove the honey from the top hive body now (before winter in Arkansas), and if yes, how much? Please send answers to me at sos@inetp.com. Thanks for the help, Stu. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!j6.inktomi.com!re.hotwired.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SQUEEZE YOR HONEY? Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608301701282408@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 37 ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ / \___/ ì"ì ì"ì \___/ \ \___/ ì"ì___/___\___ì"ì The OLd Drone say's! \___/ / \ ì"ì ///|\/\///\ ì"ì / \ \___/ ì"ì ///|||/|\\\/|\\ ì"ì Sue Bee Honey CoOp is in \___/ / \ ///||\/|/\\|\\\\\ the process of building a nice / \ \___/ ì"ì /|//\\/\\/|/|\\\\ ì"ì public web page at: \___/ / \ //\|/// | \\/\\\ http://www.suebee.com / \ \___/ /| |\ ì"ì It is a work in progress but \___/ / \ | (O) (O) | you must try the HONEY POST / \ \___/ || ì"ì || ì"ì CARD, it's SUPER!! \___/ / \ | / \ | / \ \___/ ì"ì | ((_)) | http://www.suebee.com/postcard \___/ / \ | | / \ \___/ ì"ì | ------- | ì"ì ___ ___ ___ ___ \___/ / \___ ì"ì | | ì"ì / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \ \___/ \___ '-------' ___ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ Yes this page is not finished, but you all will enjoy the SQUEEZE YOUR HONEY postcard feature, it works and it's FREE!. All you need is the e-mail address of someone special you would like to send a postcard and you know they can surf the net as the postcard is sent to another web site to be read on line as it contains graphics. Try it, you might like it! And connect your very own personal page to the SUE BEE HONEY page and all your internet friends will LOVE U HONEY! This is one connection that will get you lots of good comments and help to promote all Honey, yours and mine!! ttul OLd Drone Honree Sue Member --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM/POSTOFFICE/ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Possible honey purchase Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608310003052409@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 18 *FYI* HONEY WANTED!! ---------------------------------------- From: Deanna Mitchell Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:07:48 -0500 Subject: Possible honey purchase I have a friend who is a commercial beekeeper. He needs to purchase about 70 barrels of honey and will pay C.O.D. We live in southeast Kansas and had a few problems with cooperation from our weather department where honey production is concerned. Does anyone know of a marketplace for honey on the internet, or does anyone have any honey for sale? Please reply via e-mail to my address below. Thanks Steve Mitchell dteach@horizon.hit.net --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Sep 3 13:04:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sourwood honey Date: 31 Aug 1996 14:42:33 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <509j0p$n80@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <32279444.2115@borg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <32279444.2115@borg.com>, Howard Cohen wrote: >I am a beekeeper of over 20 years and have collected honey worldwide. A cool idea! If you don't mind, would you list the honey you have in your collection? I'd be fascinated to read where honey is produced world-wide. How do you keep the honey? In jars? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distillation info here Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608310658552410@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u6muc$soa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Lines: 76 *FYI* More info on making your own essential oils. Use at own risk of spending $25....and stinking up your kitchen! Order form attached. When you send your order pls remember to ask for special essential oil advice. >H>From: headhunt@adam.com.au (HeadHunter) > >Subject: Distillation info here > >H>------------- Home Distillation --------------- > >H>Complete instructions and guide on how to distill volatile liquids ie. > >ethanol or essential oils. > >H>Email headhunt@adam.com.au for order form. > >Send order form I am interest in extracting essential oils from >eucalyptus trees. > ttul Andy- >--- > ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Beekeepers Dream..... 80,000+ Females in one box....!. --============_-1370659091==_============ Home Distillation Manual Thanks for your inquiry for my Home Distillation Manual. I am an avid home brewer and this Distillation Manual Project started from a desire to put those gone wrong batches to use. I found it impossible to source basic and complete info in one place - so I wrote my own. Of course I don't actually distill :) (that's illegal here!) but I experimented, studied and hunted some very difficult to find info to put together this manual that will make your endeavours simple and effective. The Manual contains complete instructions and illustration guide on how to distill volatile liquids ie. ethanol or essential oils. This will set you on your way to construct your first basic still made with common kitchen equipment. Your results will be quite successful. I must stress however I take no responsibility if this practice is illegal in your area or for your results and any problems that may occur. This guide explains all equipment used (simple and most available in any home), techniques and provides data needed for safety. Complete with drawings and extensive instructions. To order please supply the following information Name on card Address Card type Amex Mastercard or Visa Card No Expiry Date Alternatively you can send cash to AD Hancock PO Box 36 Gumeracha SA 5233 Australia Your manual will be emailed to you. Your debit of $25.00 will occur on successful receipt by your server. Any problems and questions regarding technique, improvements or suggestions will be gladly dealt with by email. Regards Tony Hancock headhunt@adam.com.au --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... "Having found the flower and driven a bee away, From melanson@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue Sep 3 13:04:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!melanson From: melanson@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need help with Hornet's nest Date: 1 Sep 1996 02:44:52 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 8 Message-ID: <50atb4$o6i@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.5] I have a football size hornet's nest under my deck and am wondering what to do with it. So if anyone out there knows could you please reply with your solution. Thanks. -=AGE=- -- From jetpat@delphi.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!delphi.com!usenet From: patricia world Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unusual bee rescue behavior Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 01:51:18 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com Hi, has anyone else observed a bumble bee picking up and flying off with a dead bee lying on the patio? I killed a yellow bumble bee about my leg, it fell down on the patio, shortly after, another yellow bee came about, inspected the dead bee and then picked it up and flew away with it. \ From beeman@netcom.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (beeman at esoteric services) Subject: Re: Essential Oils Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4vu192$cfp@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:53:24 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: beeman@netcom8.netcom.com David J Trickett (djt@dolphin.upenn.edu) wrote: : Also, is anyone else out there worried about the wax pool becoming : contaminated? ("Wax Pool..." what a thing to be worried about! Think of : Dave T. Hi, Dave, I have an article from Belgium with the numbers on wax contamination. they recomend not to eat comb honey! I have some candles I'm tempted not to sell because I know they are not contaminated, I'll covet them as momentos of the past. remember when..... -------beeman From beeman@netcom.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (beeman at esoteric services) Subject: Re: Need help with Hornet's nest Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <50atb4$o6i@news.sas.ab.ca> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 07:09:45 GMT Lines: 11 Sender: beeman@netcom8.netcom.com melanson@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: : I have a football size hornet's nest under my deck and am wondering what : to do with it. So if anyone out there knows could you please reply with : your solution. Thanks. : -=AGE=- : -- Leave it alone untill it is empty (it's an annual) these are usually not the type to scavenge or *hassle you, unless disturbed. they prefer live prey and do a service to your yard or garden. From markvam@aol.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Storing honey for feeding Date: 1 Sep 1996 11:55:15 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <50cbl3$qa2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am a hobbyist with two colonies. One of my colonies is near death, queenless and depopulated after swarming at least twice this summer. It has one deep super filled with capped honey. I don't want to extract the honey because I had Apistan on the hive when the honey was stored. What I guess I'd like to do is store the capped frames for spring feeding of my other, thriving colony, as well as for the second colony I plan to start next year. My question is, what's the best way to store the frames? I'm in a very rural area, where field mice, squirrels, etc. can be a big problem in the winter. I do have a deep-freeze, so that's one possibility. Or should I just extract, set it aside, and feed it back to the bees that way? Thanks for any advice. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey & beeswax 8 recipes for products Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 15:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609011252252417@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 191 *FYI* A commercial message found in the agriculture news groups that may bee of interest...Anyone interested can also order these books via e-mail from beebooks@beenet.com ..List the books you want and I will price then out and let you know how to make an order. Help's keep the OLD Drone with Wild Bee's BBS and off the dangerous streets. Andy- _______________________________________________________________________ From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Subject: Honey & beeswax 8 recipes for products Honey & beeswax recipes for products Excerpts from the book: "Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make 360 useful products that contain honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White Copyright 1993 ISBN 0-9637539-7-5 Available from bookstores, libraries and directly >from the publisher. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Petroleum Jelly Petroleum jelly is easy to make and it is an ingredient of many other products. Naturalists may substitute a natural oil, such as grapeseed oil or sweet almond oil, for the baby or mineral oil to create an "un-petroleum" jelly. 1 ounce (weight) beeswax 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil Melt the beeswax in a microwave or a double boiler. Stir in the mineral oil. Remove the mixture from the heat and stir until cool. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Skin Cream 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant essential oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. --------------------------------------------------------------- Beeswax Polish Beeswax furniture polish with its soft, satin shine is considered the ultimate in wood care. 4 ounces (weight) beeswax 2 tablespoons carnauba wax 2 1/2 cups odorless turpentine Melt the waxes on high in a microwave or in a double boiler. Remove the waxes from the heat and stir in the turpentine. Apply the polish with a clean cloth and rub in small circles. Turn the cloth as it becomes dirty. Allow the polish to dry, then buff with a clean cloth. If more than one coat is desired, wait 2 days between applications. --------------------------------------------------------------- Lip Gloss Lipstick colors this easy formula for lip gloss. This is a good way to use lipstick that is too dark because the gloss will be a lighter color. 1 teaspoon grated beeswax 1/2 teaspoon lipstick 1/2 teaspoon petroleum jelly Melt the ingredients in a small can placed in boiling water. Stir it well and pour it into a small jar. --------------------------------------------------------------- Dispersing Bath Oil Most bath oils simply float on water. Dispersing bath oil mixes evenly with water, clings to skin and forms a thin, even coating. 1 whole egg 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil 2 teaspoons liquid detergent 1/4 cup vodka 2 tablespoons honey 1/4 cup whole milk Fragrant essential oil (optional) Liquid food coloring (optional) Mix all ingredients in a blender for 30 seconds. Use only 1 or 2 tablespoons of the oil in a bathtub of water. Shelf-life at room temperature is about 18 months! --------------------------------------------------------------- Chapped-lip Balm Simple petroleum jelly is good for chapped lips, but this formula is even better. 1 tablespoon grated beeswax (1/2 oz.) 1 tablespoon petroleum jelly 1 teaspoon honey 1 tablespoon lanolin 3 to 4 drops essential oil Melt the wax, lanolin and petroleum jelly in a microwave. Add the honey and essential oil. Essential oil of peppermint, eucalyptus, wintergreen and camphor slightly numb painful lips. Stir the mixture until it cools. --------------------------------------------------------------- Skin Care Bar This unique product is a bit greasy for hands, but I like it to apply emollients to feet, elbows, etc. Easy to make and smells wonderful--naturally. Simply melt equal WEIGHTS of sweet almond oil and beeswax. Pour this into a bar-shaped mold and allow it to cool. Rub the bar over skin to apply the emollient properties of the ingredients. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Suppliers: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Route 1, Box 135 Moravian Falls, NC 28654 1-800-BEESWAX Sells beeswax, carnauba wax, and containers for creams & polishes. Haussmann's Pharmacy 534-536 W. Girard Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19123 (215) 627-2143 Sells herbs, oils, lanolin & borax. Lavender Lane 6715 Donerail Sacramento, CA 95842 (916) 334-4400 Sells oils & waxes for cosmetics. Sunburst Bottle Company 7001 Sunburst Way Citrus Heights, CA 95621 (916) 722-4632 Sells jars, bottles & containers for practically everything! Sax Arts & Crafts Post Office Box 51710 New Berlin, WI 53151-0710 1-800-558-6696 Sells "everything your art desires," waxes & odorless turpentine. --------------------------------------------------------------- WANT MORE? Valley Hills Press has lots more! 1) "Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make more than 360 useful products that contain honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White. ISBN 0-9637539-7-5 $14.95 US funds, postpaid to US & Canada Other countries, $18.95 US funds, postpaid 2) New! First Timer Wine-Making Kit Make 1 gallon of award-winning mead! (Honey Concord Wine). Ready in 1 month! You buy honey and grape juice from a grocer--this kit contains everything else you need! $18.95 US funds, postpaid to US & Canada. Not shipped to other countries. 3) "Soap Recipes: Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern soap with herbs, beeswax and vegetable oils" 224-page book. Easy recipes to make great soap right in your kitchen with common kitchen equipment. $29.95 postpaid to US and other countries. Have your Visa or Master Card handy and order toll-free! 1-800-323-7102 (US & Canada) Other countries call 601-323-7100. or Mail payment (US funds only. Visa/Master Card accepted) to: Valley Hills Press 108 E Garrard Rd #202-A Starkville, MS 39759 USA Fax orders to (601) 323-7100 Want more details about these and other fun products like soapmaking? Send email with your snail mail name and address to: EWhiteVHP@aol.com. Retail/wholesale prices available. Request a free brochure! end Elaine C. White C/O Valley Hills Press 1864 Ridgeland Drive Starkville MS 39759 USA Telephone: 601-323-7100 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits & nuts, there are beekeepers" From jhilt@eskimo.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!pacifier!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!news From: jhilt@eskimo.com (Joan Hiltner) Subject: stingless bees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: tia1.eskimo.com Message-ID: Sender: news@eskimo.com (News User Id) Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:47:49 GMT Lines: 8 I have heard in another context that the Mayans used to have stingless bees which produced good quantities of honey. Does anyone know if these may have survived the centuries, and might be available now? I'd appreciate knowing of any sources of information. Thanks in advance. Joan Hiltner From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Candian Beekeeping Info Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608311412382412@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 131 As we swelter in the dry late summer heat, our brown season in California, there are places to the North that bees can be kept and do well and they are more then likely preparing for another long winter. To put it in perspective Canada has about the same number of bee hives and beekeepers as California with about twice the Honey production and a very long cold winter when beekeepers have nothing to do but reproduce, go to bee meeting, and vacation in warmer climes. ttul OLd Drone All about Canada's honey industry... _________________________________________________________________ ... at a glance * Canada's 13,000 beekeepers maintain more than 500,000 bee hives. * Canadian beekeepers have one of the highest honey yields in the world as a result of a northern climate with long days, vast expanses of clover, alfalfa and canola, and by using sophisticated management practices. Average production in Canada is 130 pounds (60 kg) per hive, twice the world average. * Canadian honey production was 72 million pounds (33,000 tonnes) in 1993. Of that, 21 million pounds (9,500 tonnes) was exported, mostly to the U.S., but also to Great Britain, Germany, Japan and many other countries. On average, Canada's exports of honey range from 20 to 30 million pounds (9,000 to 14,000 tonnes) annually. * Canada is the fifth largest producer of honey in the world behind China, the U.S., Mexico and Argentina. It is produced in all 10 provinces and territories and is valued at $50 million in farm gate receipts. Alberta is the largest producing province providing approximately 27 million pounds (12.3 million kg), followed by Saskatchewan at 17 million pounds (7.7 million kg) and Manitoba at 13.5 million pounds (6.1 million kg). _________________________________________________________________ ... in detail * Beekeeping is the oldest form of agriculture. For thousands of years, honey was the primary sweetener throughout the world. The first records of hives can be seen in Egyptian tombs. European settlers brought domestic bee hives from Europe into Canada. * Bees play an important role in pollination of fruits and vegetables. Many fruits and vegetables require insects to move pollen from plant to plant. Fruit and vegetable producers rent beehives from beekeepers in the spring to make sure this pollination takes place. It has been estimated that honeybee pollination contributes up to $500 million annually to agriculture production. * It would take more than 500 worker bees a full season to gather one pound of honey. For that pound, they would have to tap about two million flowers and fly more than 55,000 miles. * Individual honeybees make 25 trips a day, visiting more than 1,000 flowers. That probably started the expression "busy as a bee". * Packaged honey is pasteurized and filtered, doesn't need any preservatives and has a shelf life of two years. * Non-food use products include: + beeswax for candles and in household products such as polishes; + pollen, which is rich in protein and used as a diet supplement; + propolis, which is becoming widely known and accepted as an ingredient in cosmetics and lip balms, as well as a tonic; + royal jelly, a special feed produced by worker bees and fed to the queen bee, used in skin creams and lotions, and gaining a reputation as having a beneficial effect on aging skin; + honey and its by-products are increasingly used in health and beauty products such as skin creams and cleansers. * At Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada's (AAFC) research station at Beaverlodge, Alberta, scientists are studying the host-parasite relationships of several bee diseases to make integrated pest management decisions, evaluating products for the control of tracheal mites and selecting lines or strains of bees showing tolerance to varroa mites. Other research stations in Nova Scotia, Quebec and British Columbia are conducting pollination studies. * Universities, colleges and provincial departments of agriculture also make important contributions to both beekeeping and pollination research. * The beekeeping industry is served by provincial apiculturists in each province who are responsible for registration of beekeepers, bee health, management practices and any other issues affecting beekeepers. * Canadian honey is recognized to be among the best-produced worldwide. Vast expanses of canola, clover and alfalfa provide foraging for bees and results in a mild, white honey that is sold at premium prices to more than 30 countries. * The outlook for honey production in Canada is promising. Higher world prices are adding stability to the industry, and large increases in canola production will add to the foraging area for bees. * The Canadian honeybee industry is almost totally self-sufficient in bees, but imports under permit about 8,000 packages and 150,000 queen bees each year from Hawaii, New Zealand and Australia. The Canadian border has been closed to honeybee imports from the continental U.S. since 1987, when a pest called the varroa parasitic mite was first detected. Some provinces also regulate transport of honeybees to prevent the spread of the mite. * Canada is also monitoring the Africanized honeybee found in Central and South America, and now entering the U.S. This breed is known to be very aggressive and potentially harmful for beekeepers and the public. * AAFC's Food Production and Inspection Branch monitors the safety and quality of honey and ensures producers meet federal standards. When honey is shipped to other countries, our inspectors certify the product meets the requirements of the importing country. * AAFC regulates production and packing of domestic and exported honey, through the Honey Regulations of the Canadian Agricultural Products Act. * Producers and packagers must conform to very specific regulations about labels they put on their products. AAFC inspectors check to see that labels are honest and accurate. _________________________________________________________________ ... want more information? For more detailed information, contact: Gary Hergert Market and Industry Services Branch Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada 2200 Walkley Road Ottawa, Ontario K1A OC5 Telephone: (613) 957-7078 Facsimile: (613) 957-9055 ************************************************************ Ripped off the "Beekeeper's Home Page" one of those that all beekeeper should visit. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SQUEEZE YOR HONEY? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:10:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608311412382413@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 22 ____________________________________________________________________ | From: Andy.Nachbaur@beenet.com |~~~~~~~~~|| | Wild Bee's BBS - Los Banos, CA | IN Post || | | $____ || | _ _ |_________|| | (_`,_' ) ~~~~~~~~~ | | ) `\ | | / '. | That OLd Drone does not know one hive | | | `, from another, or the SUE BEE POSTCARD | | \,_ `-/ has changed it's address. Try: | | ,&&&&&V for the postcard program | | ,&&&&&&&&: http://www.suebee.com/postcards/index.html | | ,&&&&&&&&&&; or for the Sue Bee Page | | | |&&&&&&&|\ http://suebee.com | | | | |_)_ | | | | ;_/ | ttul Andy- | | '--' `,.--. | | | \_ | |--' (c) * Crash Mail * | |______`-._\__/_____Major____________________________________________| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils Supplier & Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608311710592415@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 36 Hello Bee Friends and those who like to try new ideas. As you can see I found this on the net and have only included a small sample of the price list as most of you I hope will browse on over and check it out for yourself. I am sure that if you are interested in gallons or drums there are very big price brakes. The small sizes you can buy just about in any chain drug store. ttul Andy- The Good Scents Company 1977 East Montana Avenue, Oak Creek, Wisconsin 53154 Phone (414) 764-2659 Fax (414) 764-6035 Email goodscnt@mail.execpc.com Alpha World 627N, 2W Company Page: http://www.execpc.com/~goodscnt/ Price List of : 08/19/96 Replaces Price List Dated : 08/17/96 _______________________________________________________________________________ | 1/4 Ounce | 1/2 Ounce | 1 Ounce | 4 Ounce | 8 Ounce Code | Natural Essential Oils ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 100290 | EUCALYPTUS OIL FCC (EUCALYPTUS GLOBULUS) (EUCALYPTOL 80/85%) | $ 6.06 | $ 6.62 | $ 7.22 | $ 8.36 | $ 9.66 101316 | ORIGANUM OIL (THYMUS VULGARIS) TURKEY | $ 7.24 | $ 8.90 | $ 11.63 | $ 25.34 | $ 42.30 101325 | SPEARMINT OIL FCC (MENTHA CARDIACA) AMERICAN | $ 6.38 | $ 7.23 | $ 8.40 | $ 12.90 | $ 18.39 101697 | WINTERGREEN OIL FCC (GAULTHERIA PROCUMBENE) | $ 6.06 | $ 6.62 | $ 7.23 | $ 8.40 | $ 9.73 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TERMS: COD UNTIL CREDIT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED / 30 DAYS THEREAFTER. $20.00 SERVICE CHARGE FOR RETURNED CHECKS. ALL ORDERS SHIPPED FOB OAK CREEK, WISCONSIN. CLAIMS & DAMAGES MUST BE REPORTED TO CARRIER & TO THE GOOD SCENTS COMPANY WITHIN 5 DAYS. NO BACK ORDERS, PLEASE REORDER. NO RETURNS WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION. PRICES SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. RESALE CERTIFICATE MUST ACCOMPANY INITIAL ORDER OR A 5.6% SALES TAX WILL BE ADDED TO PURCHASE PRICE. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Bannwabe"..Natural Verroa Mite Control From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:46 EDT 1996 Article: 5399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Br. Adam Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609020740142423@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 11 From: Brian Gant <106213.3313@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:33:44 -0400 Subject: Br. Adam Peter Donovan, who worked closely with Br Adam at Buckfast Abbey, has asked me to pass on the message that Br Adam died on September 1, aged 98. Brian Gant --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... That the still murmur of the honey bee From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Tue Sep 3 13:04:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood B beekeepers in TX, OK, AR & LA Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 21:59:59 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <50f0t7$au6@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal31-26.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 The Collin County Hobby Beekeepers Association announces their 13th Annual Beekeeping Workshop Saturday, September 7th at the Lucas Community Center, Lucas, Texas (just north of Dallas). 8:00 am until 5:00 pm Fee $15 for individual or $25 including spouse Bring a sack lunch; coffee and iced tea will be provided Door Prizes will be given throughout the day and bring Protective Clothing if available (a limited supply will *bee* available) for the field trip to the bee yard. This is designed as an introduction "hands on" type workshop. Topics covered will include an overview of bees & queenbees by Clint Walker (Queen Breeder), Beekeeping equipment by Dr. Rodney Holloway (Tx A&M Extension Agent), Hands-on including Harvesting Honey, Smokers, Hive Assembly and Solar Wax Melters, "the bee- keepers year" by Herb Taylor (Commercial Beekeeper), Honey and other Hive Products by David Stroope (Commercial Beekeeper and TBA Director), Cooking with Honey by Sarah Paulson (Honey Queen), City Ordinances and Good Neighbor Policies by Carole Booth (Prime Honey Company) and a short fields trip to an apairy with John Caldeira. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Sep 3 13:04:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brother Adam has Died Date: 2 Sep 1996 17:02:46 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <50f3vm$jsb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: from the bee-l list From: Brian Gant <106213.3313@compuserve.com> Subject: Br. Adam Peter Donovan, who worked closely with Br Adam at Buckfast Abbey, has asked me to pass on the message that Br Adam died on September 1, aged 98. Brian Gant -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From Defiant@iglou.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iglou!news From: Defiant@iglou.com (Ken McAuliffe) Subject: Trachel mites and oil patties X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lou-5-8.iglou.net Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Reply-To: Defiant@iglou.com Organization: IgLou Internet Services X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 05:45:17 GMT Lines: 4 Does anyone know if Diana Sammataro did any followup research to her 1991-93 research on tracheal mites and oil patties? If anyone does, please e-mail me. :) Thanks. From wadair@slonet.org Tue Sep 3 13:04:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!news.callamer.com!news@twizzler.callamer.com From: "Wayne Adair" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives and frames. Date: 2 Sep 1996 21:11:32 GMT Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (805) 541 6316 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bb9913$510793a0$745bbece@wadair.slonet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp116.tcsn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 My father had a stroke and cannot continue his beekeeping hobby. He has 17 unused hives with wired frames. If you are interested call him (John) at (714) 636-8968. He lives in Garden Grove Calif. (Orange County). Or e-mail me wadair@tcsn.net. Wayne From talin@gte.net Tue Sep 3 13:04:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.fibr.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: "robby" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire ants and bee hive Date: 2 Sep 1996 22:55:21 GMT Organization: talin Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bb9922$0673a2c0$54457cce@talin.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfw69084.gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I would like to start an discussion on the subject of FIRE ANT RAIDS on bee hives and bee box's . We are doing some research in to preventing fire ants for entering the hive. please vist our web site at http://home1.gte/talin/index.htm From talin@gte.net Tue Sep 3 13:04:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: "robby" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FIRE ANT PROOF HIVE STANDS Date: 2 Sep 1996 23:07:30 GMT Organization: talin Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bb9923$b9925260$54457cce@talin.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfw69084.gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 check out our fire ant proof bee hive stands http://home1.gte.net/talin/index.htm From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tobacco smoke Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:54:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609022005532427@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 257 ----- Original Message follows ----- Hello Beekeepers, This is a list of the "inert" ingredients added to tobacco. The list is of course put out by the anti tobacco lobby but before you take sides please read the list. Yes HONEY and BEESWAX are on the list as they have for many generations been used to cure and flavor the devils weed. You should also note that all most all the "essential oils" are also used by the tobacco industry. "Inert" ingredients are considered to be the proprietary secret things all most all manufactures add to their products in minuscule amounts to make them different (or sometimes to make them work) and most of them are only if listed on the label as "inert" and not by name. The buyer is protected because of the small amounts added to what ever it is you buy bee it food or paint. Many of the inert ingredients by themselves are deadly but in small amounts are not, like the artificial sugars that we Americans consume more pounds of each year then we do Honey, all can be deadly in the pure form. Yes, foods do have inert ingredients added such as the shine on those red apples that can be pure beeswax or other waxes. In California the retailers should have a sign displayed someplace that the consumer can read to find out what inert's were added to the fresh fruit and vegetables on sale in that store as it is not practicable to label each apple or any single fruit or vegetable. ttul Andy- BTW If you ever eat ice cream and have read enough of the labels on the carton you will find that this list contains almost all of the flavoring and additives that are added to tobacco. Some of the dangerous sounding chemical names are only the man made chemical replacements for the natural essential oils. "Don't Smoke it's hard to stop and very expensive and you will die, sooner or later and ruin lots of bee veils between now and then." *OLd Drone's Anti Smoking Campaign* Donations appreciated! Not connected with any other group, or government agency, 100% deductible, (from your account to mine) Tax Free (we don't pay none) _________________________________________________________________ DO YOU WANT TO SMOKE THIS? (or do you want any of this in your Honey?) The 599 Ingredients Added to Tobacco in the Manufacture of Cigarettes by the Five Major American Cigarette Companies: Acetanisole, Acetic Acid, Acetoin, Acetophenone, 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane, 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine, 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran, Acetylpyrazine, 2-Acetylpyridine, 3-Acetylpyridine, 2-Acetylthiazole, Aconitic Acid, dl-Alanine, Alfalfa Extract, Allspice Extract, Oleoresin, And Oil, Allyl Hexanoate, Allyl Ionone, Almond Bitter Oil, Ambergris Tincture, Ammonia, Ammonium Bicarbonate, Ammonium Hydroxide, Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic, Ammonium Sulfide, Amyl Alcohol, Amyl Butyrate, Amyl Formate, Amyl Octanoate, alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde, Amyris Oil, trans-Anethole, Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil, Anise, Anise Star, Extract and Oils, Anisyl Acetate, Anisyl Alcohol, Anisyl Formate, Anisyl Phenylacetate, Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins, Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate, 1-Arginine, Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil, Ascorbic Acid, 1-Asparagine Monohydrate, 1-Aspartic Acid, Balsam Peru and Oil, * Basil Oil, Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil, Beeswax White, Beet Juice Concentrate, Benzaldehyde, Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal, Benzoic Acid, Benzoin, Benzoin Resin, Benzophenone, Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Butyrate, Benzyl Cinnamate, Benzyl Propionate, Benzyl Salicylate, Bergamot Oil, Bisabolene, Black Currant Buds Absolute, Borneol, Bornyl Acetate, Buchu Leaf Oil, 1,3-Butanediol, 2,3-Butanedione, 1-Butanol, 2-Butanone, 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One, Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil, Butyl Acetate, Butyl Butyrate, Butyl Butyryl Lactate, Butyl Isovalerate, Butyl Phenylacetate, Butyl Undecylenate, 3-Butylidenephthalide, Butyric Acid, Cadinene, Caffeine, Calcium Carbonate, Camphene, Cananga Oil, Capsicum Oleoresin, Caramel Color, Caraway Oil, Carbon Dioxide, Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder, Carob Bean and Extract, beta-Carotene, Carrot Oil, Carvacrol, 4-Carvomenthenol, 1-Carvone, beta-Caryophyllene, beta-Caryophyllene Oxide, Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract, Cassia Bark Oil, Cassie Absolute and Oil, Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute, Cedar Leaf Oil, Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana, Cedrol, Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin, Cellulose Fiber, Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract, Chicory Extract, Chocolate, Cinnamaldehyde, Cinnamic Acid, Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract, Cinnamyl Acetate, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Cinnamyl Cinnamate, Cinnamyl Isovalerate, Cinnamyl Propionate, Citral, Citric Acid, Citronella Oil, dl-Citronellol, Citronellyl Butyrate, Citronellyl Isobutyrate, Civet Absolute, Clary Oil, Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract, Cocoa, Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder, Coconut Oil, Coffee, Cognac White and Green Oil, Copaiba Oil, Coriander Extract and Oil, Corn Oil, Corn Silk, Costus Root Oil, Cubeb Oil, Cuminaldehyde, para-Cymene, 1-Cysteine, Dandelion Root Solid Extract, Davana Oil, 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal, delta-Decalactone, gamma-Decalactone, Decanal, Decanoic Acid, 1-Decanol, 2-Decenal, Dehydromenthofurolactone, Diethyl Malonate, Diethyl Sebacate, 2,3-Diethylpyrazine, Dihydro Anethole, 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine, Dill Seed Oil and Extract, meta-Dimethoxybenzene, para-Dimethoxybenzene, 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol, Dimethyl Succinate, 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione, 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione, 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene, 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One, 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One, 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid, 2,4-Dimethylacetophenone, alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol, alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate, alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate, 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine,2,5-Dimethylpyrazine, 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine, Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone, delta-Dodecalactone, gamma-Dodecalactone, para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde, Ethyl 10-Undecenoate, Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate, Ethyl Acetate, Ethyl Acetoacetate, Ethyl Alcohol, Ethyl Benzoate, Ethyl Butyrate, Ethyl Cinnamate, Ethyl Decanoate, Ethyl Fenchol, Ethyl Furoate, Ethyl Heptanoate, Ethyl Hexanoate, Ethyl Isovalerate, Ethyl Lactate, Ethyl Laurate, Ethyl Levulinate, Ethyl Maltol, Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate, Ethyl Myristate, Ethyl Nonanoate, Ethyl Octadecanoate, Ethyl Octanoate, Ethyl Oleate, Ethyl Palmitate, Ethyl Phenylacetate, Ethyl Propionate, Ethyl Salicylate, Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate, Ethyl Valerate, Ethyl Vanillin, 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine, 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One, 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine, 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone, 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine, 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde, 4-Ethylguaiacol, para-Ethylphenol, 3-Ethylpyridine, Eucalyptol, Farnesol, D-Fenchone, Fennel Sweet Oil, Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute, Fig Juice Concentrate, Food Starch Modified, Furfuryl Mercaptan, 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One, Galbanum Oil, Genet Absolute, Gentian Root Extract, Geraniol, Geranium Rose Oil, Geranyl Acetate, Geranyl Butyrate, Geranyl Formate, Geranyl Isovalerate, Geranyl Phenylacetate, Ginger Oil and Oleoresin, 1-Glutamic Acid, 1-Glutamine, Glycerol, Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated, Grape Juice Concentrate, Guaiac Wood Oil, Guaiacol, Guar Gum, 2,4-Heptadienal, gamma-Heptalactone, Heptanoic Acid, 2-Heptanone, 3-Hepten-2-One, 2-Hepten-4-One, 4-Heptenal, trans -2-Heptenal, Heptyl Acetate, omega-6-Hexadecenlactone, gamma-Hexalactone, Hexanal, Hexanoic Acid, 2-Hexen-1-Ol, 3-Hexen-1-Ol, cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate, 2-Hexenal, 3-Hexenoic Acid, trans-2-Hexenoic Acid, cis-3-Hexenyl Formate, Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate, Hexyl Acetate, * Hexyl Alcohol, Hexyl Phenylacetate, 1-Histidine, Honey, Hops Oil, Hydrolyzed Milk Solids, Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins, 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone, 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone, 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One, 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone, 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde, 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone, Hydroxycitronellal, 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane, 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone, Hyssop Oil, Immortelle Absolute and Extract, alpha-Ionone, beta-Ionone, alpha-Irone, Isoamyl Acetate, Isoamyl Benzoate, Isoamyl Butyrate, Isoamyl Cinnamate, Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate, Isoamyl Isovalerate, Isoamyl Octanoate, Isoamyl Phenylacetate, Isobornyl Acetate, Isobutyl Acetate, Isobutyl Alcohol, Isobutyl Cinnamate, Isobutyl Phenylacetate, Isobutyl Salicylate, 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine, alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol, Isobutyraldehyde, Isobutyric Acid, d,l-Isoleucine, alpha-Isomethylionone, 2-Isopropylphenol, Isovaleric Acid, Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil, Kola Nut Extract, Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin, Lactic Acid, Lauric Acid, Lauric Aldehyde, Lavandin Oil, Lavender Oil, Lemon Oil and Extract, Lemongrass Oil, 1-Leucine, Levulinic Acid, Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder, Lime Oil , Linalool, Linalool Oxide, Linalyl Acetate, Linden Flowers, Lovage Oil And Extract, 1-Lysine, Mace Powder, Extract and Oil , Magnesium Carbonate, Malic Acid, Malt and Malt Extract, Maltodextrin, Maltol, Maltyl Isobutyrate, Mandarin Oil, Maple Syrup and Concentrate, Mate * Leaf, Absolute and Oil, para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One, Menthol, Menthone, Menthyl Acetate, dl-Methionine, Methoprene, 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol, 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol, para-Methoxybenzaldehyde, 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One, 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone, 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone, Methoxypyrazine, Methyl 2-Furoate, Methyl 2-Octynoate, Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone, Methyl Anisate, Methyl Anthranilate, Methyl Benzoate, Methyl Cinnamate, Methyl Dihydrojasmonate, Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated, Methyl Isovalerate, Methyl Linoleate (48%), Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture, Methyl Naphthyl Ketone, Methyl Nicotinate, Methyl Phenylacetate, Methyl Salicylate, Methyl Sulfide, 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone, 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone, 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal, 5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde, 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One, 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde, 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One, 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene, 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One, 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde, 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One, 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol, 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole, Methyl-alpha-Ionone, Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid, 4-Methylacetophenone, para-Methylanisole, alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate, alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol, 2-Methylbutyraldehyde, 3-Methylbutyraldehyde, 2-Methylbutyric Acid, alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde, Methylcyclopentenolone, 2-Methylheptanoic Acid, 2-Methylhexanoic Acid, 3-Methylpentanoic Acid, 4-Methylpentanoic Acid, 2-Methylpyrazine, 5-Methylquinoxaline, 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One, (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers), 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde, Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate, 2-Methylvaleric Acid, Mimosa Absolute and Extract, Molasses Extract and Tincture, Mountain Maple Solid Extract, Mullein Flowers, Myristaldehyde, Myristic Acid, Myrrh Oil, beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether, Nerol, Neroli Bigarde Oil, Nerolidol, Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal, 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol, gamma-Nonalactone, Nonanal, Nonanoic Acid, Nonanone, trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol, 2-Nonenal, Nonyl Acetate, Nutmeg Powder and Oil, Oak Chips Extract and Oil, Oak Moss Absolute, 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%), delta-Octalactone, gamma-Octalactone, Octanal, Octanoic Acid, 1-Octanol, 2-Octanone, 3-Octen-2-One, 1-Octen-3-Ol, 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate, 2-Octenal, Octyl Isobutyrate, Oleic Acid , Olibanum Oil, Opoponax Oil And Gum, Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute, Orange Oil and Extract, Origanum Oil, Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract, Palmarosa Oil, Palmitic Acid, Parsley Seed Oil, Patchouli Oil, omega-Pentadecalactone, 2,3-Pentanedione, 2-Pentanone, 4-Pentenoic Acid, 2-Pentylpyridine, Pepper Oil, Black And White, Peppermint Oil, Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil, Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil, alpha-Phellandrene, 2-Phenenthyl Acetate, Phenenthyl Alcohol, Phenethyl Butyrate, Phenethyl Cinnamate, Phenethyl Isobutyrate, Phenethyl Isovalerate, Phenethyl Phenylacetate, Phenethyl Salicylate, 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol, 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol, 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal, 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol, 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One, Phenylacetaldehyde, Phenylacetic Acid, 1-Phenylalanine, 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde, 3-Phenylpropionic Acid, 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate, 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate, 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran, Phosphoric Acid, Pimenta Leaf Oil, Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch, Pineapple Juice Concentrate, alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene, D-Piperitone, Piperonal, Pipsissewa Leaf Extract, Plum Juice, Potassium Sorbate, 1-Proline, Propenylguaethol, Propionic Acid, Propyl Acetate, Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate, Propylene Glycol, 3-Propylidenephthalide, Prune Juice and Concentrate, Pyridine, Pyroligneous Acid And Extract, Pyrrole, Pyruvic Acid, Raisin Juice Concentrate, Rhodinol, Rose Absolute and Oil, Rosemary Oil, Rum, Rum Ether, Rye Extract, Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin, Salicylaldehyde, Sandalwood Oil, Yellow, Sclareolide, Skatole, Smoke Flavor, Snakeroot Oil, Sodium Acetate, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Sodium Carbonate, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Hydroxide, Solanone, Spearmint Oil, Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil, Sucrose Octaacetate, Sugar Alcohols, Sugars, Tagetes Oil, Tannic Acid, Tartaric Acid, Tea Leaf and Absolute, alpha-Terpineol, Terpinolene, Terpinyl Acetate, 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline, 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane, 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone, 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Thiazole, * 1-Threonine, Thyme Oil, White and Red, Thymol, Tobacco Extracts, Tochopherols (mixed), Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract, Tolualdehydes, para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate, para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde, para-Tolyl Acetate, para-Tolyl Isobutyrate, para-Tolyl Phenylacetate, Triacetin, 2-Tridecanone, 2-Tridecenal, Triethyl Citrate, 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol, para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol, 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One, 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione, 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan, 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One, 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone, 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine, 1-Tyrosine, delta-Undercalactone, gamma-Undecalactone, Undecanal, 2-Undecanone, 10-Undecenal, Urea, Valencene, Valeraldehyde, Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder, Valeric Acid, gamma-Valerolactone, Valine, Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin, Vanillin, Veratraldehyde, Vetiver Oil, Vinegar, Violet Leaf Absolute, Walnut Hull Extract, Water, Wheat Extract And Flour, Wild Cherry Bark Extract, Wine and Wine Sherry, Xanthan Gum, 3,4-Xylenol, Yeast Public Information stolen from the Tobacco Alternative Home Page (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there are fruits & nuts, there are beekeepers" From MikeRav@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 3 13:04:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: Michael Ravnitzky Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: govt tech reports on apiculture available Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 06:52:47 -0600 Organization: Netcom Lines: 54 Message-ID: <322C2A1F.1DDD@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: MikeRav@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn3-16.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 03 6:52:37 AM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Macintosh; U; PPC) A Government Technical Agency has a huge number of government technical reports on subjects related to bee(s), apiculture, apiaries, entomology, beekeeper(s), bee mite(s), pollination, honey, bee pollen, etc. They can supply you with a technical report bibliography on just about any specific subject you want. These are reports you probably haven't seen before in your area of interest. You'll have to select your own keyword(s). I suggest you select between two and six keyword(s). Please select your keywords carefully and include plural(s) like I just did. The fee is likely to be only a couple of dollars, but you have to agree to pay fees in advance so that they won't hold up the processing of the request to write back. To get your list of reports, simply send a letter of request as follows: ------------------------- To: Defense Technical Information Center Attn: DTIC-RSM (Kelly D. Akers, FOIA Manager) 8725 John J. Kingman Road, Suite 0944 Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-6128 USA Phone: 703-767-9194 Dear Ms. Akers: I request the following records under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act: A computer generated technical report bibliography (all years) of reports on the subject(s)/keyword(s) of: ________________ OR _________________ OR ________________ OR _______________ OR _________________ OR _______________ This is a request for DTIC records, please don't forward my request to NTIS. Please include both classified and unclassified records in your search. If any of the records are classified, please review them for release, or the release of nonsensitive portions. I believe that I fall into the fee category "all other requesters" because I am an individual, noncommercial requester and this request is not being made for commercial purposes. But please do not hold up this request while you determine the proper fee category. I also agree to pay up to $35 for reasonable fees associated with this purpose. Sincerely, ____________________ From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Tue Sep 3 13:05:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!mcsun!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brother Adam Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 14:59:01 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <322C39A5.167EB0E7@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) I just read in this morning's newspaper (large obituary in the Guardian) that Brother Adam (of Buckfast Abbey) died on Sunday. He was 98 and had been living in a nursing home for the past two years Alan From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Tue Sep 3 13:05:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!mcsun!EU.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Skep FAQ - Slightly more on-line Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 16:56:43 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 Hi! Well, there is now a bit of text to accompany the GIFs on skeps. There is still more to add, but I'd like comments/errors/etc. on the material now available from: And any suggestions/ideas on what else to include. -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. Tel: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCPAzBVX74AAAEEANXA10mBmyoaLrU7aYz/8o93VaY4p+cJl+eAK0pIt/m9X1nK Drv/edboaWLxnx2L3L8Er/qRt1au+gk4FWE591zx6jv2TrJvWqBm/zQkaEnt9Pgk sgfjDleH8PoIuIJCC9I5jum1hObddewhcfvk8m8lUXn7bRlNfqmJI3HrZ0ddABEB AAG0Hk1pa2UgUmVkZHkgPG1yZWRkeUBnbGFtLmFjLnVrPg== =xTit -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From desroches@woods.uml.edu Sat Sep 14 11:36:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!newshost.convex.com!news.onramp.net!ulowell.uml.edu!aspen!desroches From: desroches@woods.uml.edu (Dick Desroches, ACC Systems Manager) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming in August? Date: 3 Sep 96 16:33:25 -0500 Organization: Univ. of Massachusetts-Lowell Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1996Sep3.163325.1@aspen> NNTP-Posting-Host: aspen.uml.edu Last week the bees in my one hive (I'm just a backyard hobbyist) started to swarm. I thought this was really unusual for late August since normally in this part of the country (Massachusetts) swarms occur in May or June. Why this happened is a mystery. Purchased bees were placed into a new, empty hive in May. There is a double deep super as the main hive with an empty shallow super on top so there was plenty of room in the hive. Also, the hive is raised up slighly in front and shaded with 50% shade cloth from the afternoon sun so I don't think high temperature was a factor. Does anybody know why a well-ventilated hive with plenty of space would swarm in late August in Massachusetts??? Thanks, Dick Desroches From mr.mcgoo@sympatico.ca Sat Sep 14 11:36:32 EDT 1996 Article: 5412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news3.buffnet.net!clio.trends.ca!worldlinx.com!news1.sympatico.ca!news From: mr.mcgoo@sympatico.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USED HIVE'S Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 02:01:52 GMT Organization: Sympatico Lines: 19 Message-ID: <50ictf$72h@news1.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3486.on.sympatico.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 This is my first year to try to keep bees. I live in Ontario Canada. I bought one hive complete with bees. I would like to expand to three hives for next year. My question is... I found someone who has ten complete hives that have not been used for 2-3 years. He will sell me a couple, but I an wondering about the changes of picking up diseases from the used equipment. Is this a concern?? If so is there a way to clean to prevent problems? I know the hives would have to be inspected by our Ministry, but I would like some advice from someone with real experience on this problem. Maybe I should just buy new!! Any words of wisdom would be great. P.S Is there any other good related sites on the web or in the newsgroups on beekeeping? Thanks Mr.McGoo From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:36:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1104.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming in August? Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 20:19:02 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 46 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <1996Sep3.163325.1@aspen> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1104.cit.cornell.edu In article <1996Sep3.163325.1@aspen>, desroches@woods.uml.edu (Dick Desroches, ACC Systems Manager) wrote: > Last week the bees in my one hive (I'm just a backyard hobbyist) started to > swarm. I thought this was really unusual for late August since normally > in this part of the country (Massachusetts) swarms occur in May or June. > > Why this happened is a mystery. Purchased bees were placed into a new, empty > hive in May. There is a double deep super as the main hive with an empty > shallow super on top so there was plenty of room in the hive. Also, the > hive is raised up slighly in front and shaded with 50% shade cloth from the > afternoon sun so I don't think high temperature was a factor. > > Does anybody know why a well-ventilated hive with plenty of space would > swarm in late August in Massachusetts??? > > Thanks, > > Dick Desroches Out here in central NY fall swarming is pretty common, with some years being worse than others. It isn't as frequent as the "normal" May/June swarming, but tends to occur as the fall flow begins. I went to a recently-established apiary of mine yesterday and found a beautiful 9-pound swarm hanging just within reach in a pine tree. The colony that cast the swarm had been started in July with a new queen and four frames of brood. They had space in the supers. What a swarm! (These late swarms in my experience are much larger than the ones we see issue in springtime.) Fortunately, I had a spare hive body, lid, floor, etc. on the truck and hived them easily. Fall swarming presents a real problem, in that the parent colony has precious few weeks to get going again with a new queen (soon to hatch). Meanwhile, the swarm doesn't have much time to really get rolling and store up food for winter. According to Roger Morse fall swarms are basically doomed, but his research has indicated that the behavior is pretty common, in this area anyway. This time of year the colonies are strong and on the verge of a heavy nectar flow from goldenrod. Evidently this is enough to push some of them over the top and they swarm like it was the middle of May! I was surprised that a young queen would lead a swarm so soon after the establishment of a colony, but this year has been **exceptiona**l (honey-flow and weather wise). I hope you caught the swarm -- you can re-unite it with the parent in a couple of weeks or feed the heck out of them so they can raise a few cycles of brood before winter and have some good stores socked away. I hope you can give them some TLC so they will be in fine shape next spring... From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:36:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: Fire ants and bee hive Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <01bb9922$0673a2c0$54457cce@talin.gte.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:59:49 GMT Lines: 41 I am in the Columbia, SC area. A couple of week ago I noticed what I thought was a low level of robbing but later discovered that fire ants were on the bottom board entrance collecting food. At the same time they were getting on the guard bees, which looked like robbing at first glance. The bees were "grooming" the ants off of each other. I noticed upon further examination that the fire ants were on the stand. I used Amdroz around the base of the stand and this cured the problem. When I lived in NC, where there are no fire ants, I could put a super out and let the bees rob the excess honey out. I tried this in SC but found that the fire ants would invade the super, rob it out, and the bees would stay clear. My 2 cents worth Dave M. >=========="robby", 9/2/96========== > >I would like to start an discussion on the subject of FIRE ANT >RAIDS on bee >hives and bee box's . > > > >We are doing some research in to preventing fire ants for entering the >hive. > > >please vist our web site at http://home1.gte/talin/index.htm > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From pbc@teleport.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting/staining hives. Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:46:21 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-23.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I; 16bit) I am interested in alternatives to latex paint for sealing hive bodies. I'd like to preserve the beauty of the wood with a clear stain or varnish. And of course, I'm concerned about the product not harming the bees or the honey. Please let me know what has worked for you. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cauthorn pbc@teleport.COM --- More heinous crimes are committed in the name of obedience than in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GSC Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609031921332432@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3v2v9c$cn0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Lines: 36 *FYI* POSTED FOR INFORMATION ONLY. Do not know if this stinking mixture is a good deal or not. Just a place to start when and if it ever becomes permitted to use the natural oils for bee food additives. Do not know how much of this mix you would use per hive. ttul Andy- ---------------------------------------- From: "William P. Luebke" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:14:41 -0500 Subject: GSC Dear Andy Nachbaur: Thank-you very much for your interest in The Good Scents Company. The cost for this mixture: THYMOL 76% EUCOPLYPTOL 16.4% MENTHOL 3.8% CAMPHOL 3.8% Which will have the name fragrance-9102 will be: 7 pounds (1 gallon) for $26.90 per pound 40 pounds (5 gallons) for $23.90 per pound F.O.B. Oak Creek, Wisconsin If there is anything we can do for you please let us know! Best regards, Bill Luebke, Perfumer The Good Scents Company E-Mail Address : goodscnt@execpc.com Company Home Page : "http://www.execpc.com/~goodscnt/index.html" Alpha World Location 627N, 2W If you are having any problems with The Good Scents Company web pages please le t us know. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Bannwabe"..Natural Verroa Mite Control From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:36:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: FIRE ANT PROOF HIVE STANDS Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <01bb9923$b9925260$54457cce@talin.gte.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:09:45 GMT Lines: 21 So, How much is the stand? Is it cheaper than some grease around the base of the stand? >=========="robby", 9/2/96========== > >check out our fire ant proof bee hive stands > > > > > > >http://home1.gte.net/talin/index.htm dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:36:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!mcsun!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/staining hives. Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:49:32 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com>, Paul Cauthorn writes >I am interested in alternatives to latex paint for sealing hive bodies. >I'd like to preserve the beauty of the wood with a clear stain or >varnish. And of course, I'm concerned about the product not harming the >bees or the honey. > >Please let me know what has worked for you. Thanks, >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Cauthorn pbc@teleport.COM > --- >More heinous crimes are committed in the name of obedience than in the > name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow Try the clear version of "Cuprinol". It doesn't contain insecticide so is alright for hives (I have used it for years) and it preserves the natural look of the wood. -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From palmerel@pilot.msu.edu Sat Sep 14 11:36:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!news From: Elise Palmer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What bees are resistant to mites and are any available to U.S. bee keepers? Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:06:23 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 4 Message-ID: <322D7ECF.5BC7@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.8.77.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) I am looking for any information on bees resistant or tolerant to mites. Can anyone suggest helpful literature or resource people? I understand there was a Public Radio segment on resistant Asian bees about 1-2 months ago. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Sep 14 11:36:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing honey for feeding Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 08:43:09 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <177F87AA1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <50cbl3$qa2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <50cbl3$qa2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) writes: > >I am a hobbyist with two colonies. One of my colonies is near death, >queenless and depopulated after swarming at least twice this summer. It >has one deep super filled with capped honey. I don't want to extract the >honey because I had Apistan on the hive when the honey was stored. What I >guess I'd like to do is store the capped frames for spring feeding of my >other, thriving colony, as well as for the second colony I plan to start >next year. My question is, what's the best way to store the frames? I'm in >a very rural area, where field mice, squirrels, etc. can be a big problem >in the winter. I do have a deep-freeze, so that's one possibility. Or >should I just extract, set it aside, and feed it back to the bees that >way? Thanks for any advice. Your bet bet would be to combine the weak hive with the strong hive using the newspaper method and sort things out in the spring. This is of course provided that the weak hive is disease free. Come next spring you can evaluate the condition of the combined equipment and most likely make a split (or two). There are two advantages to this suggestion. First, the combined hive will benefit from the bees and stores of the weaker hive and second, your equipment will be maintained by the bees in the combined hive until you are able to manage it in the spring. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From boleditor@behavior.net Sat Sep 14 11:36:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!root From: Gilbert Levin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brother Adam comments? Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:56:23 -0600 Organization: Behavior OnLine Lines: 19 Message-ID: <322DD0D7.1CAE@behavior.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs123-12.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) I got the following piece of e-mail from Art Silverman at NPR today. I couldn't offer much advice, but thought someone out in USENET-land might: Personal_Name: Art Silverman From: asilverman@npr.org Subject: Brother Adam I am a producer with NPR's "All Things Considered" We read this morning of the death of honeybee expert "Brother Adam" in Britain. Who do you think we should talk to to create our appreciation of his work? Do you have phone numbers? You may write back. Thank you. -- Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington Behavior OnLine ! Department of Psychology jlks@behavior.net ! jlks@u.washington.edu ! From swhl@itl.net Sat Sep 14 11:36:46 EDT 1996 Article: 5423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp0.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USED HIVE'S Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:49:33 -0852 Organization: Supernet Lines: 30 Message-ID: <312EB30D.B9@itl.net> References: <50ictf$72h@news1.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup074.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) mr.mcgoo@sympatico.ca wrote: > > This is my first year to try to keep bees. I live in Ontario Canada. I > bought one hive complete with bees. I would like to expand to three > hives for next year. > My question is... I found someone who has ten complete hives that have > not been used for 2-3 years. He will sell me a couple, but I an > wondering about the changes of picking up diseases from the used > equipment. Is this a concern?? If so is there a way to clean to > prevent problems? I know the hives would have to be inspected by our > Ministry, but I would like some advice from someone with real > experience on this problem. Maybe I should just buy new!! > > Any words of wisdom would be great. > > P.S Is there any other good related sites on the web or in the > newsgroups on beekeeping? > > Thanks Mr.McGoo My friendly bee expert of many years standing helped me when my last and only colony was destroyed by acarine last year. He gently blow-torched the inside of the whole hive and we started on the principle that fire is purefying. This year's new colony, a swarm introduced in May, has settled in well and produced about 20lbs. of honey.Bavarol strips have now been put in for 6 weeks as is mandatory where I live. We did not renew the wax foundation on the principle that no mites survive where there are no bees and the supers and frames had been in storage all though the winter with moth crystals scattered through them. From r.j.yates@open.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:36:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!mcsun!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Defensive Hive Date: 3 Sep 1996 12:52:47 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 10 Message-ID: <50h9mv$494@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <01bb9637$894fd9e0$1e7f16cb@david> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Where/how are you getting the new queen? By post, as a single insect from a close source, in a swarm, or what? Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. From jprice@roanoke.infi.net Sat Sep 14 11:36:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: jprice@roanoke.infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drawing Foundation Second Hive Body Date: 5 Sep 1996 00:40:56 GMT Organization: Customer of InfiNet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <50l7io$a69@nw101.infi.net> Reply-To: jprice@roanoke.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pa5dsp5.roanoke.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 I recently placed a second hive body with foundation on my congested hive with sugar syrup and pollen substitute. I examined the hive two weeks later and was surprised to find no comb building. The brood nest shows a strong pattern with solid honey and pollen stores with no evidence of disease. The second body was placed in mid-august with fair weather, temperatures in the 80-90 range and abundant late summer bloom in area. Why no building activity and should I remove the second hive body before winter? Hives are located in the southwest Piedmont region of Virginia. Thanks! From ljerger@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ljerger@aol.com (LJerger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam Date: 4 Sep 1996 22:50:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 51 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <50lf5r$d67@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <322DD0D7.1CAE@behavior.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader I've been reading this group for a couple of months now and researching beekeeping with the intention of acquiring two or three hives in the future. The comments about Brother Adam were somewhat cryptic to me. Fortunately, I purchased a New York Times today and read his obit. For the benefit of others who were as mystified as I, the following is copyrighted by the New York Times and the Associated Press. headline "Brother Adam, 98, Bee Breeder Who Developed New Varieties" LONDON, Sept. 3 (AP) -- Brother Adam, a Benedictine monk and a bee breeder whose search for native strains took him to the remotest deserts and highest mountains, died Sunday. He was 98. He died Sunday in a nursing home near Buckfast Abbey, the Benedictine monastery in southwest England where his mother sent him at age 12 in 1910. Brother Adam's cross-breeding work created the so-called Buckfast Superbee, regarded by many apiarists as the healthiest and most prolific honey producer ever bred. His honeybees were so highly prized that in 1982 thieves stole two queens from the Buckfast Abbey apiaries. Police even circulated a description of the bees -- "three-quarters of an inch in length, with dark brown and dark gray stripes." In 1991, the United States Department of Agriculture imported queen bees that Brother Adam had bred to be resistant to acarine disease, which had badly damaged honey production in America. His acarine-resistant bees earned the abbey more than $31,000 a year and revolutionized honey production around the world. In one example of his travels in search of native strains of bees, a fellow apiarist carried the 90-year-old Brother Adam on a bamboo chair strapped to his back up Africa's highest mountain, 19.340-foot Mount Kilimanjaro. He was born Karl Kehrle on Aug. 3, 1898, in the Wurttemberg region of Germany. He took over the abbey's apiaries when he became a full monk -- and Brother Adam -- in 1919. Traveling by car, on foot or by donkey, he took journeys before World War II in search of bees that took him as far as the Sahara. From 1950 to 1981, he searched for bees in the Mediterranean, the Middle East and Africa. His bee research ended in 1992 because the monastery's new abbot the Right Rev. David Charlesworth, insisted the main function of the abbey apiaries was honey production, not research. To the disappointment of bee breeders worldwide, the obedient monk bowed to the will of his superior. Brother Adam wrote three books, regarded as classics on the subject -- "Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey," "In Search of the Best Strains of Bees" and "Breeding the Honeybee." RIP . From oliver.parker@charlesworth.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!hchworth.demon.co.uk From: Oliver Parker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 06:05:01 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <841903501.6120.3@hchworth.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hchworth.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hchworth.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-URL: news:sci.agriculture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:13770 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5427 sci.agriculture.fruit:126 sci.agriculture.poultry:1190 sci.agriculture.ratites:365 New Electronic Journal Award is Announced. ------------------------------------------ The Charlesworth Group of Huddersfield, UK is pleased to announce the inauguration of a new Award for online journals, The Charlesworth Group Award for Electronic Journals. 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Email: ElectronicAward@Charlesworth.com World Wide Web: http://www.Charlesworth.com From paulp@ims.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re grease patties Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:28:36 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article walter@walter.airtime.co.uk (walter Holmes) writes: >I missed the start of all this. What are grease patties, what do they do. & >what the eck is crisco. If all this is for treatment of varroa, thank the >stars I haven't seen it yet >Walter Holmes >Lancashire >England Grease patties are a mixture of vegatable oil, sugar and (usually) Terramycin. The oil seems to control tracheal mites, possibly by masking the odor of young bees, which the mite likes to use as a host. The TM is for the control of foulbrood disease. Crisco is a US brand of what we call vegatable shortening, which is partially hydrogenated vegatable oil (semi-solid at room temperature). Hope this helps. Paul Petty From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Sep 14 11:36:53 EDT 1996 Article: 5429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam comments? Date: 5 Sep 1996 12:10:18 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <50mfva$32f@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <322DD0D7.1CAE@behavior.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <322DD0D7.1CAE@behavior.net>, Gilbert Levin wrote: >I got the following piece of e-mail from Art Silverman at NPR today. I > >I am a producer with NPR's "All Things Considered" >We read this morning of the death of honeybee expert >"Brother Adam" in Britain. Who do you think we should >talk to to create our appreciation of his work? Do >you have phone numbers? You may write back. Thank you. They did the piece this morning. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:36:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tom.compulink.co.uk From: MICHAEL HURLEY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Defensive Hive Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:00:30 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: Reply-To: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tom.compulink.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 18:54 BST-1 X-Mail2News-Path: tom.compulink.co.uk I have seen beekeepers here in Ireland sprinkling ordinary flour over bees for the same reason. D'ont know how effective as I have not tried but will try now as I have to replace a cross queen. Michael From dgcooper@interport.net Sat Sep 14 11:36:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!xara.net!emerald.xara.net!news.thenet.net!news.supernet.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.interport.net!usenet From: dgcooper@interport.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brother Adam's Books Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:31:15 -0400 Organization: Interport Communications Corp. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <322F54B3.7752@interport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dgcooper.port.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) I read Brother Adams obit in THE NEW YORK TIMES yesterday, where the titles of his books was listed. Can anyone suggest where I might find these books. I live in New York City, but my local library doesn't carry any of them. Thank you, Fiona From jakatz@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re grease patties Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 03:06:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <50nq0a$ib2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj2-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 05 5:07:38 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) wrote: >In article walter@walter.airtime.co.uk (walter Holmes) writes: >>I missed the start of all this. What are grease patties, what do they do. & >>what the eck is crisco. If all this is for treatment of varroa, thank the >>stars I haven't seen it yet >>Walter Holmes >>Lancashire >>England >Grease patties are a mixture of vegatable oil, sugar and (usually) Terramycin. > The oil seems to control tracheal mites, possibly by masking the odor of >young bees, which the mite likes to use as a host. The TM is for the control >of foulbrood disease. I've also heard it put forth that the "Crisco" makes it difficult, if not impossible, for the tracheal mites to move from one host bee to anther. From jac@silvercity.mv.com Sat Sep 14 11:36:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.lightlink.com!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Br. Adam Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:12:21 GMT References: <9609020740142423@beenet.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 A great loss to the world's beekeepers. A remarkable individual and probably the last of the great contibutors to the beekeeping industry in our liftime. JC in NH From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Suit Evaluation, and more Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609052141454@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 38 *FYI* of interest to all from the editor of Bee Culture Magazine. ---------------------------------------- From: Kim Flottum Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:32:10 -0400 Subject: Bee Suit Evaluation, and more Hello, This is a promotional message, however, it fits in with the bee tight topic mentioned, so I thought I would share it with the group. In the November issue of Bee Culture magazine, there will be a detailed article on clothes that beekeepers wear while working bees. All U.S., and some foreign sources have been evaluated for a variety of factors including bee-tightness. But cost, wearability, usefullness, and the like are also included. The many types of veils, suits, gloves, bands, hats, etc. have all been tried and tested in both a casual and commercial setting, and the results (and photos) given for your infomation. There is also a bit of history and the evolution of the bee suit and veil as well.This article is similar to those published in the past in Bee Culture, evaluating and comparing other types of beekeeping equipment, most notebly woodenware, extractors, uncappers, and the like. No other American beekeeping magazine produces information of this sort. For more information on how to obtain Bee Culture magazine please contact me directly, at BCULTURE@AOL.COM, or check out our web page at http:/www.airoot.com Again, I realize this is a pretty straight forward commercial message, and I apologize if I have offended any subscirber. However, after monitering this list almost from the beginning, it is apparent that many subscribers do not have access to current information, and certainly not information of the sort mentioned here. Thank you for your time. Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture magazine --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the wild bee never flew, From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:37:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: plastic foundation/frames Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:20:15 GMT Lines: 19 With plastic foundations one of the selling points from Brushy Mountain, etc. is that the comb can be scraped down to the plastic foundation midrib. How easy and successful is this accomplished? When the old comb is scraped down to the midrib plastic, do the bees accept this reclaimed foundation easily? Also, Pierco sells a plastic frame and foundation combination with the foundation sprayed with beeswax. Are these frames worth the extra cost over wooden frames with either plastic or beeswax foundation? Thanks, Dave M. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:37:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!eanews1!ipsnews!bbnews1!psinntp !psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: Swarming in August? Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <1996Sep3.163325.1@aspen> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:20:39 GMT Lines: 43 Usually swarming is caused by congestion of the brood nests. You may want to check this. I have seen where a new queen will fill up the brood nest with brood quickly and cause congestion, even thought all the frames are not drawn out. The thing to be careful here now is afterswarms. You may want to go into the hive and check for more queen cells and your original queen (I hope she is marked). Or you may now just let nature take her course...you will not usually loose many bees in the afterswarms compared to the prime swarm. You will probably get your hive requeened with a new queen since the old queen usually leaves with the swarm. >==========Dick Desroches, ACC Systems Mana, 9/3/96========== > >Last week the bees in my one hive (I'm just a backyard hobbyist) >started to >swarm. I thought this was really unusual for late August since normally >in this part of the country (Massachusetts) swarms occur in May or June. > >Why this happened is a mystery. Purchased bees were placed into >a new, empty >hive in May. There is a double deep super as the main hive with an empty >shallow super on top so there was plenty of room in the hive. Also, the >hive is raised up slighly in front and shaded with 50% shade >cloth from the >afternoon sun so I don't think high temperature was a factor. > >Does anybody know why a well-ventilated hive with plenty of space would >swarm in late August in Massachusetts??? > >Thanks, > >Dick Desroches > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From niemeyer@iastate.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:04 EDT 1996 Article: 5438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!isua1.iastate.edu!niemeyer From: niemeyer@iastate.edu () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam's Books Date: 6 Sep 96 13:21:34 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <322F54B3.7752@interport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: isua1.iastate.edu In <322F54B3.7752@interport.net> dgcooper@interport.net writes: >I read Brother Adams obit in THE NEW YORK TIMES yesterday, where the >titles of his books was listed. Can anyone suggest where I might find >these books. I live in New York City, but my local library doesn't >carry any of them. >Thank you, >Fiona Most academic libraries and many public libraries have a service called 'Interlibrary Loan' (in the USA). You should go to the information desk at your library (or call them) and ask about this service. Interlibrary loan makes it possible for people to check out books from other libraries (the books get sent to your local library). It's worth calling and asking about this service. I used to use Interlibrary Loan a lot. Good luck! Chris N. niemeyer@iastate.edu From AAEHEGV@snds.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:13:14 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32305BAA.641E@snds.com> References: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <32220589.6D5A@snds.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) I have some hives "1 1/2" high and (a deep Langstroth and a medium super under it for space) some two high. The double hives seam to winter better here in northern Illinois. I know of noone who uses just shallow boxes for brood. I super with all shallow supers so they are not so heavy. Regards, Gerry Visel From AAEHEGV@snds.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:16:59 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 3 Message-ID: <32305C8B.22C@snds.com> References: <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> <9608291701012402@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Try adding a bit of honey to the patties to get the bees on them quicker. Gerry From AAEHEGV@snds.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USED HIVE'S Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:35:57 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <323060FD.2483@snds.com> References: <50ictf$72h@news1.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) The worst thing to watch for when buying used hives is Foulbrood. (Mites don't live long (hours-days) without bees.) Torching out the inside of the boxes should make them useable, though infected combs should be burned. Treat with Terramyacin right away on restart. (Grease patties with TM work well.) Typically, if bees are not on the brood comb, the wax moths will get in the brood comb area and make a terrible mess, eating into the wood and spinning web all over. They are not contageous, however, and a strong colony will keep any remnants at bay. I have bought some of these (cheap!) for the boxes. It is worth it to take along an experienced beekeeper to identify the condition. Good Luck! Gerry Visel From AAEHEGV@snds.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drawing Foundation Second Hive Body Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:39:53 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <323061E9.13E7@snds.com> References: <50l7io$a69@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) If the bottom box keeps the bees "honey bound" (solid honey over the brood,) the queen won't go up to lay. You might try moving some frames up from the bottom box to spread things around and encourage upward travel. Gerry From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two Questions Date: 6 Sep 1996 16:10:59 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <50piej$eh8@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com Keywords: frame size, menthol, bridge comb During a recent hive inspection I noticed "bridge comb" between the bottom of the frames and the top of the frames of a super below. I assume this is because the spacing is not right. Can this "bridge comb" be reduced by fastening wood strips to the bottom of the frames in the upper super to reduce the spacing? Also, how long should one leave menthol crystals in a hive in order to treat for tracheal mites? -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything above this line is my opinion, even my name. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-845-1133 Driver Information & Controls Software FAX: 313-323-6699 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@mailhost.eld.ford.com Dearborn, MI USA From twizard@ici.net Sat Sep 14 11:37:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!cobia.gulf.net!juniper.cis.uab.edu!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com!news.wizard.com !news.ici.net!news From: twizard@ici.net (Joe Schell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey on hive over winter? Date: 6 Sep 1996 23:39:30 GMT Organization: The Internet Connection Lines: 7 Message-ID: <50qcni$f5p@bashir.ici.net> Reply-To: twizard@ici.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pmtn1ip3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 I have a couple of hives out back up on a hill. They are difficult to reach for feeding in the winter snows. My question is how much honey should I leave on the hives to get my bees through the winter? One hive has two hive bodies and one super of honey, the other only one hive body with 4 supers of honey. Can I take any honey off to extract? Thanks, Joe twizard@ici.net From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newshost.convex.com!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Outlook for US Agricultural Exports, 9.06.96 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 00:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609061857216@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 658 *FYI* Information you would never ask for but may find of value. ---------------------------------------- OUTLOOK FOR U.S. AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS September 6, 1996 Approved by the World Agricultural Outlook Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- OUTLOOK FOR U.S. AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS is published four times a year by the Economic Research Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Washington, DC 20005-4788. AES-11. Please note that this release contains only the text of OUTLOOK FOR U.S. AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS--tables and graphics are not included. Subscriptions to the printed version of this report are available from the ERS-NASS order desk. Call, toll-free, 1-800-999-6779 and ask for stock #AES, $17/year. ERS-NASS accepts MasterCard and Visa. The report summary may be accessed electronically. For details, call (202) 219-0515. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Outlook for U.S. Agricultural Exports is published in February, May, August, and November/December. The next quarterly summary is scheduled for release on December 4, 1996. This outlook reflects commodity forecasts in the August 12, 1996, World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates. Coordinator (ERS): Joel Greene (202) 219-0816 Commercial Agriculture Division Economic Research Service (ERS) Coordinators (FAS): Michael Dwyer (202) 720-3124 Ernest Carter (202) 720-2922 Trade and Economic Analysis Division Foreign Agricultural Service (FAS) U.S. Department of Agriculture Washington, D.C. 20250 The forecasts in the Outlook for U.S. Agricultural Exports are based on information provided by the following analysts in the Commercial Agriculture Division of the Economic Research Service and in the Commodity Divisions of the Foreign Agricultural Service. Editorial support is furnished by Martha R. Evans, Information Services Division, ERS. All telephone numbers are area code 202. ERS: Karen Ackerman (Export Programs, 501-8511); Ronald Gustafson (Beef, 219-0 848); Mildred Haley (Pork, 219-0833); David Harvey (Poultry, 219-0839); John Love (Horticultural Products, 219-1268); Stephen MacDonald (Cotton, 219-1179); Stacey Rosen (Food Aid, 501-8445); Mark Simone (Wheat, 219-0487); Carolyn Whitton (Coarse Grains and Rice, 219-0825). FAS: Peter Burr (Tobacco and Seeds, 720-9497); Alan Holz (Oilseeds, 720-0143); Linda Kotschwar (Grains and Feeds, 690-4134); Dee Linse (Export Programs, 720-9 847); Nancy Morrison (Dairy, Livestock, and Poultry, 720-8252); Debra Pumphrey (Horticultural and Tropical Products, 720-8899); Anita Regmi (Cotton, 720-9510) . Regional information can be provided by the following analysts in the Commercial Agriculture Division, ERS: Chris Bolling (Brazil, 219-0668); Nancy Cochrane (Central and Eastern Europe, 219-0650); Hunter Colby (China, 219-0669) ; Frederick Crook (Hong Kong, 219-0002); John Dyck (Japan and South Korea, 219-0698); Anwarul Hoque (South Asia, 219-0665); Sophia Wu Huang (Taiwan, 219-0 679); Elizabeth Jones (European Union, 219-0619); Daniel Plunkett (Mexico, 219-0670); Sharon Sheffield (Former Soviet Union, 219-0019); Jim Stout (Canada, 219-0678); Tina Valdecanas (Southeast Asia, 501-6133). Contents Summary Commodity Highlights Economic Outlook Regional Highlights U.S. Agricultural Export Programs Import Highlights Tables Table 1--U.S. agricultural trade, fiscal years 1992-97 Table 2--U.S. agricultural exports: Value by commodity, 1994-97 Table 3--U.S. agricultural exports: Volume by commodity, 1994-97 Table 4--U.S. agricultural exports: Value by region, 1994-96 Table 5--U.S. agricultural imports: Value by commodity, 1994-97 Table 6--U.S. agricultural imports: Volume by commodity, 1994-97 Table 7--U.S. agricultural imports: Value by region, 1994-96 Summary FISCAL 1997 AGRICULTURAL EXPORTS FORECAST AT $58 BILLION, FISCAL 1996 UNCHANGED AT $60 BILLION The fiscal 1997 projection for U.S. agricultural exports is $58 billion, $2 billion lower than the forecast for fiscal 1996, which is unchanged at $60 billion. Although prices will remain strong, lower expected shipments of wheat, coarse grains, and cotton will reduce export value for these commodities by nearly $4 billion in 1997. Oilseed exports are projected to increase nearly $800 million because of higher expected soybean and meal prices and increased soybean oil shipments. Livestock, poultry, and horticultural product exports are expected to gain more than $1 billion. Tight bulk supplies and increased exports by competitors will reduce major bulk export volume from 120.2 million tons to 109.1 million in 1997. Total volume will decline to 150.5 million tons. U.S. agricultural imports in fiscal 1997 are projected at a record $32 billion, $500 million higher than expected in fiscal 1996. Imports are revised upward $1 billion to $31.5 billion in 1996 because of increased horticultural and animal product imports. The fiscal 1997 agricultural trade surplus is projected at $26 billion, down $2.5 billion from the revised fiscal 1996 forecast. _____________________________________________________________________ Table 1--U.S. agricultural trade, fiscal years, 1992-1997 _____________________________________________________________________ -- Year ending September 30 -- :Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Fiscal : Forecast : Fiscal Item : 1992 : 1993 : 1994 : 1995 :Fiscal 1996 : 1997 : May : Aug. : Projected _____________________________________________________________________ : -- Billion dollars -- : Exports : 42.3 42.5 43.5 54.1 60.0 60.0 58.0 : Imports : 24.3 24.5 26.4 29.5 30.5 31.5 32.0 : ______________________________________________________________________ Trade : balance : 18.0 18.0 17.1 24.6 29.5 28.5 26.0 ______________________________________________________________________ : -- Million metric tons -- Export : volume :143.6 146.4 126.8 169.2 160.4 160.0 150.5 ______________________________________________________________________ Commodity Highlights The August forecast for fiscal 1996 exports of U.S. wheat and flour remains unchanged from the May forecast of 32.5 million tons valued at $6.9 billion. In fiscal 1997, wheat and flour exports are projected to decline 7 million tons and $2.1 billion to 26 million tons valued at $4.8 billion. This projected decline is due to reduced volume and lower export prices. Tight domestic supplies, much larger exportable supplies from major competitors, and reduced global import demand will lower U.S. exports. Wheat flour exports are projected at 1 million tons as lower wheat prices are expected to boost sales. The forecast for fiscal 1996 coarse grain shipments is reduced 300,000 tons >from May's forecast to 61.1 million tons. However, export value remains unchanged at $9.5 billion. U.S. corn exports are forecast at 55 million tons valued at $8.6 billion, down 500,000 tons but value is unchanged. These revisions are due to the slower pace of shipments than previously expected as some late season purchases were switched to lower-priced new crop. However, tight old crop supplies have kept prices strong and the overall export value >from falling. Higher sorghum exports are expected to partially offset lower corn exports. Fiscal 1997 coarse grain exports are projected to drop 3.1 million tons and $900 million to 58 million tons valued at $8.6 billion. The prospect of a smaller than earlier anticipated 1996/97 U.S. corn harvest will limit export supplies, cutting corn exports 3.5 million tons to 51.5 million tons. Reduced export volume and somewhat weaker prices are projected to lower U.S. corn export value $900 million to $7.6 billion. Global corn production and ending stocks are projected to rise slightly during the 1996/97 marketing year. U.S. sorghum exports are projected to increase in response to a larger domestic crop and increased foreign demand. The fiscal 1996 forecast for U.S. rice exports remains unchanged from May's forecast at 3 million tons valued at $1.1 billion. Fiscal 1997 U.S. rice exports are projected to fall 700,000 tons to 2.3 million tons, mainly in response to lower domestic production (especially long-grain rice) as less acreage is planted. Export value is projected to slip $200 million to $900 million as higher prices partially offset lower export volume. Prices are expected to strengthen in fiscal 1997 as domestic long-grain rice supplies tighten. Competition from Asian rice should intensify as U.S. prices rise, but demand in Latin American markets is expected to remain strong for U.S. long-gra in rice. Japan is expected to import more medium-grain rice to fulfill its GATT minimum access obligations. The forecast for fiscal 1996 exports of oilseeds and products is raised 700,000 tons and $200 million from the May estimate to 30.8 million tons valued at $9.6 billion. This is due to the unanticipated strength of soybean and soybean meal exports, each raised 400,000 tons from the previous forecast. Prices have remained high because of the high price of grains. China's continued absence >from the market as a buyer forced a downward revision in U.S. soybean oil exports to 500,000 tons valued at $300 million. The fiscal 1997 forecast for U.S. exports of oilseeds and products is 30.8 million tons, unchanged from fiscal 1996. However, export value is raised $800 million to $10.4 billion largely due to higher export prices for soybeans and soybean meal and higher soybean oil exports. Higher prices reflect lower projected global oilseed supplies and lower ending stocks. U.S. oilseed production for 1996/97 is forecast to rise 6 percent from last year's level, however exportable supplies are projected to remain tight due to low carryin stocks. China is expected to enter the world market as a major buyer of vegetable oils, and U.S. soybean oil exports are projected to increase to 800,000 tons valued at $500 million. ______________________________________________________________________________ Table 2--U.S. agricultural exports: Value by commodity, 1994-97 ______________________________________________________________________________ : October-June : Fiscal : Fiscal 1996 : Fiscal Commodity :1994/95 :95/96: 1995 : Forecast : 1997 : : : : May : Aug. : Projected ______________________________________________________________________________ --Billion dollars-- Grains and feeds 1/ : 12.555 16.314 17.637 22.0 21.8 18.7 Wheat & flour : 3.596 4.923 5.201 6.9 6.9 4.8 Rice : .820 .773 1.050 1.1 1.1 .9 Coarse grains 2/ : 5.137 7.430 7.411 9.5 9.5 8.6 Corn : 4.559 6.709 6.619 8.6 8.5 7.6 Feeds and fodders : 1.893 2.032 2.511 2.9 2.8 2.9 : Oilseeds and products : 7.309 7.757 9.119 9.4 9.6 10.4 Soybeans : 4.253 5.159 5.274 6.1 6.2 6.7 Soybean meal : .844 .935 1.079 1.1 1.2 1.3 Soybean oil : .721 .241 .809 .4 .3 .5 : Livestock products : 5.787 6.291 7.808 8.6 8.7 9.3 Beef, pork & variety meats : 2.904 3.434 4.044 4.7 4.7 5.1 Hides & skins, incl. furs : 1.297 1.260 1.719 1.6 1.7 1.7 Poultry & products : 1.618 1.996 2.210 2.7 2.7 2.9 Dairy products : .588 .563 .812 .8 .7 .5 Tobacco, unmanufactured : 1.116 1.173 1.329 1.5 1.4 1.4 Cotton & linters : 3.126 2.788 3.496 3.0 3.1 2.4 Seeds : .560 .586 .680 .7 .7 .7 Horticultural products : 6.956 7.080 9.110 9.4 9.3 9.8 Fruits & preparations : 2.425 2.454 3.263 3.4 3.3 3.5 Vegetables & preparations : 2.014 1.865 2.538 2.5 2.4 2.6 Tree nuts & preparations : .830 1.008 1.108 1.2 1.3 1.3 Sugar, tropical, and other : 1.451 1.496 1.940 1.9 2.0 2.0 : Total 3/ : 41.066 46.044 54.141 60.0 60.0 58.0 __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ Table 3--U.S. agricultural exports: Volume by commodity, 1994-97 ___________________________________________________________________________ : October-June :Fiscal: Fiscal 1996: Fiscal Commodity : 1994/95:95/96: 1995 : Forecast : 1997 : : : : May : Aug. :Projected ___________________________________________________________________________ : --Million metric tons-- : Wheat : 22.907 23.405 32.094 32.0 32.0 25.0 Wheat flour : .894 .340 1.184 .5 .5 1.0 Rice : 3.017 2.227 3.767 3.0 3.0 2.3 Coarse grains 2/ : 47.418 48.125 65.670 61.4 61.1 58.0 Corn : 42.085 43.591 58.645 55.5 55.0 51.5 Feeds & fodders : 10.147 9.574 13.483 13.5 12.9 13.0 Oilseeds and products : 27.629 25.066 34.050 30.1 30.8 30.8 Soybeans : 19.267 18.557 23.584 22.0 22.4 22.3 Soybean meal : 4.800 4.043 6.094 4.9 5.3 5.2 Soybean oil : 1.089 .399 1.216 .7 .5 .8 Beef, pork & variety meats : .912 1.097 1.262 1.5 1.5 1.6 Poultry meat : 1.373 1.720 1.901 2.3 2.3 2.5 Animal fats : 1.344 1.148 1.725 1.7 1.6 1.8 Cotton & linters : 1.863 1.562 2.068 1.7 1.7 1.5 Horticultural products 4/ : 5.470 5.416 7.001 7.2 7.1 7.5 Other : 4.071 4.552 4.999 5.5 5.5 5.5 Total agriculture :127.045 124.232 169.204 160.4 160.0 150.5 Major bulk products 5/ : 94.472 93.876 127.183 120.1 120.2 109.1 ______________________________________________________________________________ 1/ Includes pulses and corn products. 2/ Includes corn, barley, sorghum, oats, and rye. 3/ Totals might not add due to rounding. 4/ Products measured in liters not included. 5/ Includes wheat, rice, coarse grains, soybeans, and cotton. The fiscal 1996 forecast for U.S. cotton exports remains unchanged at 1.7 million tons, but export value is adjusted slightly upward $100 million to $3.1 billion. In fiscal 1997, U.S. cotton exports are projected to fall 200,000 tons and $700 million to 1.5 million tons valued at $2.4 billion. U.S. cotton production is expected higher in 1996/97. However, U.S. cotton exports will face increased competition as production in other supplier countries, such as Argentina and Australia, increase. World cotton trade is expected to decline due to significant reductions in imports of cotton by China. The fiscal 1996 forecast for U.S. exports of livestock, poultry, and dairy products is unchanged at a record $12.1 billion. Minor adjustments in the forecasts for hides and skins and dairy products reflect changes in the pace of sales to date. In fiscal 1997, U.S. livestock, poultry, and dairy exports are projected to rise $600 million to a record $12.7 billion. A projected gain in poultry and product exports is offset by a projected loss in dairy products, while livestock products are projected to increase $600 million to a record $9.3 billion. Japan, South Korea, and Russia remain the major markets for U.S. beef and pork exports, which are projected to rise 70,000 tons and $400 million to 1.6 million tons valued at a record $5.1 billion. This relatively modest increase reflects lower beef prices and import policy uncertainties in Russia. An improved outlook for animal fats and live cattle accounts for most of the remaining projected increase in livestock product exports. Supported by an estimated 200,000-ton increase in poultry meat exports, poultry and product exports are projected to increase $200 million to a record $2.9 billion. Russia and China/Hong Kong are expected to remain the top markets for U.S. broiler meat and account for most new sales. Minor adjustments to the fiscal 1996 forecast for U.S. horticultural exports brings the total to $9.3 billion, $100 million lower than the May forecast. The forecasts for fruit and vegetables were each lowered $100 million to $3.3 billion and $2.4 billion, respectively. The tree nut forecast was raised $100 million to $1.3 billion. The slower pace of sales to Japan, Canada, and Mexico slowed the overall gain for the entire category to 2 percent this year. However, Mexico has shown strong signs of recovery since January. During the first half of calendar 1996, U.S. horticultural exports to Mexico were up 16 percent in value led by fresh apples and pears, fresh potatoes and frozen french fries, and pecans. The fiscal 1997 forecast for U.S. horticultural exports is a record $9.8 billion, a $500-million increase over fiscal 1996. With increases of $200 million each, fruit and vegetable exports are projected to reach records of $3.5 billion and $2.6 billion, respectively. Tree nut exports are expected to remain unchanged at $1.3 billion. This 5 percent increase in total horticultural exports assumes that sales to Mexico continue their current pace of recovery, exports to Canada benefit from the progressive lowering of duties, steady growth to key Asian Pacific Rim markets continues, and no significant appreciation in the dollar against the yen which would slow sales to Japan. Economic Outlook The outlook for 1997 world real gross domestic product (GDP) growth is expected to improve to 3 percent, up from an estimated 2.5 percent in 1996. Much of the increase is due to economic gains in the EU-15 and Japan, which are projected to grow at 2.5 percent and 2.7 percent, respectively. Canada's GDP is likely to rise 2.5 percent, while the United States gains 2.1 percent. Economic growth in East and Southeast Asia is expected to slow from an estimated 7.7 percent in 1996 to 7.2 percent in 1997. China is expected to lead the region with growth of 8.5 percent. Economies in Latin America are expected to grow 4 percent, led by Mexico. Mexico's GDP is expected to rise 3.7 percent, compared with less than 2 percent in 1996. During the first half of 1996, the real trade-weighted value of the U.S. dollar has gained compared with its trading partners, and is at the 1990 level. ______________________________________________________________________________ Table 4--U.S. agricultural exports: Value by region, 1994-96 1/ ______________________________________________________________________________ : October-June : Fiscal : Fiscal 1996 Region : 1994/95 : 1995/96 : 1995 : Forecast : : : May : Aug. ______________________________________________________________________________ --Billion dollars-- Western Europe : 6.927 7.739 8.781 9.4 9.5 European Union 2/ : 6.665 7.469 8.416 9.0 9.1 Other Western Europe : .262 .270 .365 .4 .4 Central and Eastern Europe : .248 .312 .306 .3 .4 Former Soviet Union : .843 1.250 1.158 1.6 1.6 Russia : .679 .926 .911 1.3 1.3 Asia : 18.106 20.300 23.980 27.6 26.9 Japan : 7.792 9.199 10.450 12.0 12.2 China : 1.895 1.515 2.412 2.5 2.0 Other East Asia : 5.671 6.243 7.560 8.3 8.3 Taiwan : 1.943 2.169 2.552 2.8 2.9 South Korea : 2.647 2.924 3.575 4.0 3.9 Hong Kong : 1.072 1.148 1.425 1.5 1.5 Southeast Asia : 1.956 2.782 2.582 3.8 3.7 Philippines : .494 .679 .675 .9 .9 South Asia : .793 .561 .976 1.0 .7 Pakistan : .341 .298 .341 .4 .3 Middle East : 1.821 2.003 2.426 2.7 2.6 Israel : .337 .486 .462 .6 .7 Saudi Arabia : .367 .424 .486 .6 .6 Africa : 2.239 2.328 2.988 3.2 3.0 North Africa : 1.606 1.628 2.111 2.3 2.1 Egypt : .991 .074 1.378 1.4 1.5 Algeria : .396 .269 .461 .4 .3 Sub-Saharan Africa : .633 .700 .877 1.0 .9 Latin America : 6.005 7.354 8.103 8.9 9.8 Mexico : 2.735 3.741 3.699 4.4 5.0 Other Latin America : 3.270 3.613 4.404 4.5 4.8 Brazil : .547 .374 .638 .4 .4 Venezuela : .367 .345 .496 .4 .4 Canada : 4.441 4.418 5.836 5.9 5.8 Oceania : .435 .339 .562 .4 .4 : Total : 41.066 46.044 54.141 60.0 60.0 : Developed countries : 19.933 22.181 26.092 28.3 28.6 Developing countries : 18.148 20.786 24.173 27.3 27.4 Other countries : 2.986 3.077 3.876 4.4 4.0 ______________________________________________________________________________ 1/ Country totals are adjusted for transshipments through Canada. 2/ Austria, Finland, and Sweden are included in the European Union. Regional Highlights The outlook for Mexico and China are significantly revised compared with the May forecast, but most other regions are little changed. The forecast for Latin America is revised upward $900 million because of increased exports to Mexico and strong exports to other countries. The forecast for U.S. exports to Asia is lowered $700 million to $26.9 billion because of reduced exports to China and South Asia. Japan is expected to import a record $12.2 billion. Exports to Taiwan, South Korea, and Southeast Asia will also reach records. Exports to Mexico are revised upwards to a record $5 billion because of very strong sales since January 1996. Exports through June 1996 reached nearly $3.8 billion, surpassing the fiscal 1995 total. The United States has already shipped a record $2 billion worth of bulk commodities in the first 9 months of fiscal 1996 because drought has boosted import demand in Mexico. Wheat exports were nearly 1 million tons, corn over 5 million tons, and soybeans 1.7 million tons. Exports of high-value products (HVP) are beginning to gain after dropping sharply at the end of 1995. HVP exports should surpass fiscal 1995 as shipments of meats, fruit, and vegetables advance, and exports of soybean meal, vegetable oils, and planting seeds are much stronger than in 1995. U.S. exports to China in fiscal 1996 are revised down $500 million to $2 billion. Increased domestic production of wheat, coarse grains, oilseeds, and cotton during the 1995/96 marketing year has reduced China's demand for imports, and prospects for greater production of grains in 1996/97 has further slowed China's fiscal 1996 purchases. Through the first 9 months of fiscal 1996, U.S. exports totaled $1.5 billion, nearly 20 percent lower than a year earlier. Although bulk commodities dominate U.S. exports to China, shipments of red meat, poultry meat, hides and skins, vegetables, and sugar-related products continue to expand in 1996. U.S. Agricultural Export Programs The Export Enhancement Program and the Dairy Export Incentive Program On July 18, 1996, USDA announced Export Enhancement Program (EEP) and Dairy Export Incentive Program (DEIP) allocations for July 1996 through June 1997. EEP allocations were announced for sales to 75 countries totaling 18.4 million tons of wheat; 49 countries totaling 500,000 tons of wheat flour; 23 countries totaling 1.6 million tons of barley and malting barley; 33 countries totaling 150,000 tons of barley malt; 27 countries totaling 225,000 tons of rice; 32 countries totaling 498,290 tons of vegetable oils; 27 countries totaling 32,955 tons of frozen poultry; and 7 countries totaling 25.6 million dozen eggs. In fiscal 1996 to date, 11,125 tons of frozen poultry have been sold under EEP. Bonuses totaled $5.15 million. Activity has been limited due to market conditions and there are no active programs under the EEP at this time. DEIP allocations are available for sale to 112 countries totaling 100,222 tons of nonfat dry milk; 97 countries totaling 9,971 tons of whole milk powder; 111 countries totaling 38,611 tons of butterfat; and 109 countries totaling 3,669 tons of cheddar, Feta, Gouda, cream, mozzarella, and processed American cheeses. DEIP sales in fiscal 1996 to date totaled 47,447 tons of dairy products with a total DEIP bonus of $20.1 million. CCC Export Credit Guarantee Programs Export credit guarantee program sales continue strong in fiscal 1996. As of August 16, export credit guarantee program (GSM-102 and GSM-103) sales--based on exporter applications received by the CCC--were $3 billion, up 26 percent >from fiscal 1995 sales for the same period. Importers in Mexico continue to account for almost one-half (46 percent) of program sales. High grain prices have boosted the value of bulk commodities guaranteed under GSM-102 and 103. Eighty-five percent of credit guarantee sales are to importers of bulk commodities--wheat, feed grains, oilseeds, and cotton. Finally, in past years, typical credit terms guaranteed under GSM-102 were for 36 months. In fiscal 1996, as of August 16, 50 percent of GSM-102 sales reflect credit terms of 18-2 4 months, and 10 percent involve credit terms of 12 months or less. U.S. Food Aid Programs The U.S. Food for Peace program, or Public Law 480 (P.L. 480), uses appropriated funds to provide U.S. agricultural assistance to countries at different levels of economic development. The P.L. 480 program is comprised of three titles. Title I is administered by USDA, while Titles II and III are administered by the U.S. Agency for International Development (AID). P.L. 480 appropriations for fiscal 1996 are estimated at $316.3 million for Title I; $821.1 million for Title II; and $50 million for Title III. While this marks only a 5-percent decline in value from fiscal 1995, total commodity shipments for 1996 are expected to fall even more steeply as 1996 wheat prices climb to record levels. As of August 26, P.L. 480 Title I and Food for Progress agreements have been signed with 21 countries, with allocations totaling $288.4 million. These funds provided about 889,000 tons of commodity assistance, nearly 60 percent of which is wheat. The Food for Progress programs signed with Albania, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan, accounted for $61 million of this total. Allocations totaling $48 million have been announced, but not signed, with Angola, Congo, El Salvador, Jordan, Moldova, Sri Lanka, and the Philippines. When all agreements are signed, Title I and Food for Programs are expected to provide about 1 million tons of commodity assistance to 23 countries. Approximately 40 percent of the Title II appropriations are for Sub-Saharan Africa, with Liberia and Rwanda expected to receive large emergency shipments. Of the Title III funds, $25 million have been allocated to Ethiopia and $10 million to Haiti. Import Highlights U.S. agricultural imports in fiscal 1997 are projected at a record $32 billion, $500 million higher than in fiscal 1996. Small gains are expected for most import categories, but imports of tropical products are likely to remain near 1996 levels due to lower expected prices. Imports in fiscal 1996 are revised upward $1 billion to $31.5 billion largely due to increased imports of livestock and dairy, horticultural products, and cotton. Imports during the first 9 months of fiscal 1996 rose more than 8 percent to $24.3 billion. High U.S. hog prices in fiscal 1996 have led to record hog imports from Canada, reaching $164 million through June 1996, and raising live animal imports to $1.5 billion. Higher prices for cheese and casein has boosted dairy imports. Fiscal 1996 U.S. horticultural imports are revised upward $400 million to $10.9 billion because of strong gains in vegetable and beer and wine imports. Strong potato and tomato shipments and higher prices for tomatoes during the third quarter of fiscal 1996 account for the increase. Wine and beer imports from the EU-15 continue strong, and wine imports from Chile have also risen. Cotton imports will reach the highest level in over 75 years because the competitiveness provisions of the U.S. marketing loan program for cotton have resulted in opening import quotas every week since November 1995. However, significant quantities of cotton have only been imported since March 1996. Imports are not expected to fill the available quotas of over 500,000 tons, and during October-June, imports totaled 44,000 tons. Imports for the cotton marketing year August 1995-July 1996 are expected to reach nearly 82,000 tons, 1996/97 imports are projected higher. New quotas will continue to open as long as the U.S. price in Northern Europe remains at least 1.25 cents per pound above the average price for cotton in Northern Europe. _______________________________________________________________________________ Table 5--U.S. agricultural imports: Value by commodity, 1994-97 _______________________________________________________________________________ : October-June : Fiscal : Fiscal 1996 : Fiscal Commodity :1994/95: 1995/96 : 1995 : Forecast : 1997 : : : : May : Aug. : Projected _______________________________________________________________________________ : --Billion dollars-- Animals and products : 4.493 4.355 5.926 5.4 5.7 5.9 Live animals : 1.292 1.167 1.655 1.4 1.4 1.4 Red meats : 1.777 1.651 2.332 2.1 2.1 2.2 Dairy products : .743 .848 1.046 1.0 1.1 1.2 : Horticultural products : 7.688 8.734 9.906 10.5 10.9 11.1 Fruits, incl. juices : 2.668 2.993 3.366 3.7 3.7 3.9 Bananas and plantains : .845 .876 1.130 1.2 1.2 1.2 Vegetables and preps. : 2.428 2.723 3.030 3.0 3.2 3.0 Nuts and preps. : .368 .373 .496 .5 .5 .5 Wine and malt beverages : 1.616 1.918 2.207 2.4 2.6 2.8 Nursery and cut flowers : .609 .726 .807 .9 .9 .9 : Grains and feeds : 1.704 1.891 2.291 2.4 2.5 2.6 Grains : .505 .511 .654 .7 .7 .8 Feeds and grain products: 1.199 1.380 1.637 1.7 1.8 1.9 : Sugar and related products: .818 1.137 1.221 1.6 1.8 1.9 Oilseeds and products : 1.309 1.622 1.760 2.0 2.0 1.9 Tobacco, unmanufactured : .314 .539 .572 .7 .8 .9 Coffee, incl. products : 2.670 2.228 3.363 2.9 2.9 2.9 Cocoa, incl. products : .817 1.037 1.089 1.4 1.4 1.4 Rubber and allied gums : 1.179 1.106 1.589 1.6 1.5 1.5 Other products :1.388 1.630 1.813 2.0 2.1 2.0 : Total :22.380 24.278 29.530 30.5 31.5 32.0 _______________________________________________________________________________ Table 6--U.S. agricultural imports: Volume by commodity, 1994-97 _______________________________________________________________________________ : October-June : Fiscal : Fiscal 1996 : Fiscal Commodity :1994/95 : 1995/96: 1995 : Forecast : 1997 : : : : May : Aug.: Projected _______________________________________________________________________________ : --Million metric tons-- Red meats : .795 .752 1.054 1.0 1.0 1.0 Cheese and casein : .177 .175 .244 .2 .2 .2 Horticultural products : 7.691 8.662 9.689 10.7 10.8 10.5 Fruits and preps. : 5.049 5.268 6.350 6.5 6.6 6.7 Bananas and plantains : 2.933 2.990 3.878 4.0 4.0 4.1 Vegetables and preps. : 2.499 3.252 3.150 4.0 4.0 3.6 Nuts and preps. .143 .142 .189 .2 .2 .2 Wine and malt bev. 1/ :11.196 12.756 15.523 17.0 18.0 20.0 Fruit juices 1/ :19.762 18.483 24.192 21.0 22.0 23.0 Grains and feeds : 5.750 4.835 7.415 6.6 6.7 7.3 Grains : 3.840 2.450 5.750 4.0 4.0 4.6 Feed and grain products : 1.910 2.055 2.524 2.6 2.7 2.7 Sugar, cane or beet 2/ : .950 1.507 1.541 2.4 2.5 2.7 Oilseeds and products : 2.368 2.618 3.107 3.2 3.4 3.5 Tobacco, unmanufactured : .129 .182 .216 .2 .3 .3 Coffee, incl. products : .721 .854 .935 1.1 1.1 1.2 Cocoa, incl. products : .462 .643 .614 .9 .9 .9 Rubber and allied gums : .797 .752 1.043 1.0 1.0 1.0 : _______________________________________________________________________________ 1/ Million hectoliters. Not included in horticultural totals. 2/ Imports for consumption, product weight. Includes imports of quota-exempt sugar. _______________________________________________________________________________ Table 7--U.S. agricultural imports: Value by region, 1994-96 _______________________________________________________________________________ : October-June : Fiscal : Fiscal 1996 Region : 1994/95 : 1995/96 : 1995 : Forecast : : : : May : Aug. _______________________________________________________________________________ : --Billion dollars-- Western Europe : 4.329 4.743 5.885 6.2 6.3 European Union 1/ : 4.201 4.610 5.713 6.0 6.1 Other Western Europe : .128 .133 .172 .2 .2 Central and Eastern Europe : .116 .182 .202 .2 .3 Former Soviet Union : .021 .074 .053 2/ .1 Asia : 3.772 3.920 5.068 5.2 5.4 Japan : .233 .217 .305 .3 .3 China : .366 .398 .482 .5 .5 Other East Asia : .227 .243 .305 .3 .3 Southeast Asia : 2.579 2.635 3.491 3.6 3.6 South Asia : .239 .428 .485 .5 .7 Middle East : .239 .344 .318 .4 .5 Africa : .480 .632 .698 .9 .9 North Africa : .046 .058 .069 .1 .1 Sub-Saharan Africa : .434 .574 .629 .8 .8 Latin America : 8.122 8.473 10.197 10.0 10.3 Mexico : 3.133 3.141 3.716 3.6 3.7 Other Latin America : 4.989 5.332 6.481 6.4 6.6 Brazil : 1.008 .874 1.323 1.2 1.1 Chile : .472 .584 .537 .6 .7 Canada : 3.990 4.757 5.359 6.1 6.2 Oceania : 1.263 1.153 1.750 1.5 1.5 : Total : 22.378 24.278 29.530 30.5 31.5 : Developed countries : 9.889 10.953 13.340 14.1 14.3 Developing countries : 12.005 12.709 15.542 15.7 16.3 Other countries : .486 .617 .647 .7 .9 ______________________________________________________________________________ 1/ Austria, Finland, and Sweden are included in the European Union. 2/ Less than $50 million. Imports are expected to increase $500 million in fiscal 1997 because of gains across many commodity categories. Red meat imports are expected to be $2.2 billion as volume and unit value rise slightly, but will not rebound to the level of 1995 as U.S. supplies remain abundant. Juice shipments will likely raise fruit imports, but vegetables are likely to decline after the strong gains in 1996, but volume and price will depend on U.S. winter supplies. Increased production for coffee in 1996 will lower prices in 1997 from the highs of the last 2 years. Volume is likely to expand as stocks are rebuilt but value is likely to remain near 1996 levels. ENDOFFILE From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newshost.convex.com!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wings Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 00:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609061857217@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 29 *This is a request that I hope one of you in Arizona, or Texas can fill. Please e-mail me at @beenet.com so I will know that someone is going to help Olda in Holland and can stop asking around. ttul Andy- ---------------------------------------- From: Olda Vancata To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 16:41:49 +0200 Subject: Wings Dear Andy I wonder if you can help me fetch wings from africanized (and local not africanized) bees - say 30-50 of each. I would like to test a dataprogram mesuring checking and counting out clusters (by mesuring 15 angles and disances). My snail mail address is : Olda Vancata Vallonvagen 2 D 730 50 Skultuna Thanx Olda --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ - Busy As A Bee With This Mail From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:37:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: Painting/staining hives. Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:15:48 GMT Lines: 30 Should not be a problem as long as you do not coat the inside of the hive. I have looked around for alternates to latex exterior paint, but the exterior latex appears superior to anything else. As far as preserving the beauty of the wood, I would think that a high quality exterior house stain may do it. Dave M. >==========Paul Cauthorn, 9/3/96========== > >I am interested in alternatives to latex paint for sealing hive bodies. >I'd like to preserve the beauty of the wood with a clear stain or >varnish. And of course, I'm concerned about the product not harming the >bees or the honey. > >Please let me know what has worked for you. Thanks, >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Cauthorn pbc@teleport.COM > --- >More heinous crimes are committed in the name of obedience than in the > name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:37:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-ext.crl.dec.com!caen!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: Trachel mites and oil patties Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:21:58 GMT Lines: 20 Don't know, but Mike Hood at Clemson teamed with ?? down in Georgia on research and found that August in the Clemson area is the best time to treat for Varroa mites when bee loss/replacement and hive loss is considered. Not sure how this research would translate to other areas. >==========Ken McAuliffe, 9/2/96========== > > Does anyone know if Diana Sammataro did any followup research to her >1991-93 research on tracheal mites and oil patties? If anyone does, >please e-mail me. :) Thanks. > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From meaderyman@delphi.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!news.abs.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic foundation/frames Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 13:38:19 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3230ce29.608459@news.edgeinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com X-To: Walker Decker I just harvested a bunch of pierco frames in medium supers and they averaged 53 lbs of honey each. None of my wooden supers come close to that. No top bars to come off - they are a lifetime frame. The only disadvantage of them over wooden frames is that because of the the thinner top bar, they will glue them down more than the wooden frame because the bee space isn't right in the supers. As for cost, I would dispute the question " are they worth the extra money." I bought mine from Betterbee for $1.06 each. I can't buy a wooden frame, a sheet of crimp- wired and 10 nails or staples for that price. So, I would phrase it : "Are wooden frames really worth the extra money." I look forward to the day when my wooden frames are all weeded out, and I have nothing but Pierco. From wdecker@nnn.edgeinc.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news3.agis.net!NEWS!not-for-mail From: wdecker@nnn.edgeinc.com (Walker Decker) Subject: Re: plastic foundation/frames Message-ID: <3230ce29.608459@news.edgeinc.com> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 02:16:25 GMT References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Lines: 48 Dave, Dave MacFawn wrote: ->With plastic foundations one of the selling points from Brushy ->Mountain, etc. is that the comb can be scraped down to the ->plastic foundation midrib. How easy and successful is this ->accomplished? When the old comb is scraped down to the midrib ->plastic, do the bees accept this reclaimed foundation easily? Basically, you use a 3" wide putty knife at a low angle and "plane" the old wax off. You don't want to press so hard that you damage the honey comb-shaped plastic with the knife. It doesn't really matter how much old wax remains, the bees will straighten it out. ->Also, Pierco sells a plastic frame and foundation combination ->with the foundation sprayed with beeswax. Are these frames ->worth the extra cost over wooden frames with either plastic or ->beeswax foundation? I have used the Pierco "one-piece" plastic frame/foundation for many years. I have found no advantage to the pre-coated with beeswax over the plain plastic. The main problem, which can be advoided, is getting the bees to draw the comb on brand new frames. This is not a problem if the frames are added just before the honeyflow in the Spring, or if you are feeding heavily with sugar syrup and the bees need the extra comb for nectar storage. I think a major advantage of the one-piece design is not having to assemble or repair wooden frames. Therefore the plastic-type replacements for standard all-wax foundation don't appeal to me. I only use medium depth bodies (6 5/8"), and use the Pierco frames exclusively (ten frames to a body; no spaces between the frames). For a hobbyist beekeeper (and that's what I am), I think they're great. Perhaps one of the commercial beekeeper's who monitor this newsgroup could comment on their opinion of plastic frames. If you have any other questions about the use of these frames, let me know and I will try to answer. Walker Decker Kinsale, VA From wdecker@nnn.edgeinc.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:20 EDT 1996 Article: 5451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news3.agis.net!NEWS!not-for-mail From: wdecker@nnn.edgeinc.com (Walker Decker) Subject: Re: Drawing Foundation Second Hive Body Message-ID: <3230d472.2218036@news.edgeinc.com> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 02:16:32 GMT References: <50l7io$a69@nw101.infi.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Lines: 32 Jack, jprice@roanoke.infi.net (Jack Price) wrote: ->I recently placed a second hive body with foundation on my congested ->hive with sugar syrup and pollen substitute. I examined the hive two ->weeks later and was surprised to find no comb building... It has been my experience that the bees will not draw new comb (outside of the Spring build-up), even when heavily fed, if they have ANY place to store the syrup/nectar. You state that the hive appears congested, which I assume you mean it has a lot of bees. But what about storage space? Are all the side combs full of capped honey? Also, what type of foundation are you using? ->in area. Why no building activity and should I remove the second hive ->body before winter? If you are using standard wax foundation, the bees will probably knaw some holes in it or build uneven comb if it is left on. This probably isn't a major concern, so you could wait and see what happens and plan to take it off towards the end of October. I'm curious what you do experience as far as the Fall honeyflow in your area of Virginia, so let me know. Walker Decker Kinsale, VA From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey on hive over winter? Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 07:35:29 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 21 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <50qcni$f5p@bashir.ici.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu In article <50qcni$f5p@bashir.ici.net>, twizard@ici.net wrote: > I have a couple of hives out back up on a hill. They are difficult to > reach for feeding in the winter snows. My question is how much honey > should I leave on the hives to get my bees through the winter? One hive > has two hive bodies and one super of honey, the other only one hive body > with 4 supers of honey. Can I take any honey off to extract? > Thanks, Joe twizard@ici.net You should probably leave the colony with two hive bodies with the two hive bodies for winter. Take the supers off soon so they can fill these with plenty of honey before winter comes. The other hive I'd leave with the single hive body and 1 super, IF the super is completely jammed with honey. Remove the other supers and, again, let them fill up the two boxes with fall honey available between now and frost. If you find that the upper box on either hive is not full or practically full of honey come frost, you might best leave an extra super of honey on each to be safe. This will be a good investment in next year's success. Having to feed sugar syrup is a bother IMO and it's easier to leave them with plenty of honey. From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.net66.com!jolt.pagesat.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam's Books Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 07:17:29 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 17 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <322F54B3.7752@interport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu In article <322F54B3.7752@interport.net>, dgcooper@interport.net wrote: > I read Brother Adams obit in THE NEW YORK TIMES yesterday, where the > titles of his books was listed. Can anyone suggest where I might find > these books. I live in New York City, but my local library doesn't > carry any of them. > Thank you, > Fiona the titles are BEEKEEPING AT BUCKFAST ABBEY, IN SEARCH OF THE (BEST) STRAINS OF BEES, and BREEDING THE HONEYBEE; at least as I recall. There is a biography, recently published, written by a woman who did some work with him, describing his lifetime of work and the bee-farm run by the Abbey. Sorry, but I can't remember the title; perhaps one of our British friends can provide it. THe BBC video, "The Monk and the Honeybee" is excellent and worth locating. From Tim Dale@tdale.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:37:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tdale.demon.co.uk From: "Tim Dale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Mead - Beginner Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:53:37 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bb9caa$af76ea40$643fdec2@tdale.tdaledemon.co.uk> Reply-To: "Tim Dale" NNTP-Posting-Host: tdale.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tdale.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Help..... I've spent hours searching for a 'How to make mead' tutorial. I know there are lot of different ways of making it and I have a multitude of recipes - but what I really need is a basic list of the equipment and a step-by-step guide to making mead. ALSO... Does anyone have a recipe for beeswax or honey handcream that I can store i.e. doesn't contain eggs etc. Can anyone help please? -- Virgin meadmaker From meaderyman@delphi.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:25 EDT 1996 Article: 5455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!cobia.gulf.net!juniper.cis.uab.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 20:41:56 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <9608281915312394@beenet.com> <5043r0$hid@hp.cuug.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Allen Dick Allen Dick writes: >This is the concentrate (80%?) and must be diluted for safety for the >bees and the humans handling it. MAke sure you know the correct >method. Boiling acid is no fun. What is the correct method for diluting the formic. By quick release method I assume you mean that most of the formic vaporizes within a day or so of placing the pads on the top bars. I don't understand how a large amount of formic released in one day impacts the honey less than a small amount over several days. Wouldn't a small amount released in the center of the brood cluster be the most efficacious. My second brood chambers are mostly filled with honey this time of year. By placing the pads on the top of the second chamber, I'm impacting the honey more than the brood aren't I? From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Sep 14 11:37:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newshost.convex.com!news.onramp.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What bees are resistant to mites and are any available to U.S. bee keepers? Date: 7 Sep 1996 14:01:40 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 16 Message-ID: <50rv84$ljv@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <322D7ECF.5BC7@pilot.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin014.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi, are you looking for bees resistant to Varroa? And they should be of the Apis mellifera species for beekeeping? Well, I think all beekeepers want such bees to get away from the mite problem. But as far as I know there is no light at the horizont. All notes about Varroa resistant honeybees are fiction. And the resistant asian bee species, were Varroa originally comes from, are not usefull for beekeeping in Central Europe or America. I´m sure that this species got other problems. So let´s looking forward to the future and the Varroa-tolerant bee. Best regards Ulli From rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:27 EDT 1996 Article: 5457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eff.org!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!rberean From: rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wrapping hives for winter Date: 7 Sep 1996 14:45:14 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 8 Message-ID: <50s1pq$ce6@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.edmonton.ab.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.5] I have roughly 35 hives set up individually in 2 yards. Last winter I wrapped them separately and had very bad winter losses in the severe weather we had. This year I thought I'd try putting 4 hives together and wrapping them as a unit, but I want to leave them in the same yards. How can I minimise the resulting confusion for the bees when I shift all the hives a few meters to get them in position? From cdg1@concentric.net Sat Sep 14 11:37:29 EDT 1996 Article: 5458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wrapping hives for winter Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 05:13:40 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <50tl36$ifa@herald.concentric.net> References: <50s1pq$ce6@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057038.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: >I have roughly 35 hives set up individually in 2 yards. Last >winter I wrapped them separately and had very bad winter losses >in the severe weather we had. This year I thought I'd try >putting 4 hives together and wrapping them as a unit, but I >want to leave them in the same yards. How can I minimise the >resulting confusion for the bees when I shift all the hives a >few meters to get them in position? I write: I don't live as far north as you, but a couple of questions come to mind. What was the CAUSE of last winter's losses ? Did they die only from the cold, or did they freeze in their own condensation ? Did they die from parasites of some type ? If you wrap hives and hold in moisture, the bees freeze to death in the water that condenses and then freezes in the hive ! Bees can survive considerable cold without human intervention, but wrapping in 15 lb black felt paper might be helpful for hives farther NORTH than Wisconsin. A small top entrance/ vent hole (5/8 to 3/4" diameter ) is often drilled in the top section of the hive to allow moisture to escape. Be sure NOT to cover this hole with the black felt paper. The hole is drilled on the entrance side of the top most section, and is near but not in the handhold. The main entrance is closed to a minimum opening to prevent mice/etc from entering the hive during the winter. The vent hole would allow moisture to escape and the black felt would absorb heat in the winter sunshine to allow the bees to warm up enough to move around and eat their stored honey. BTW, this top vent / entrance can and should be left open all year, as it provides the same venting function is the summer, helping the bees cool the hive. This info parsed from chapter 16 of Walter Kelley's "How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey" book, my primary reference on beekeeping. Charles From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 11:37:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 18:11:09 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <50v2il$486@peru.earthlink.net> References: <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> <9608291701012402@beenet.com> <32305C8B.22C@snds.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool022.max5.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Gerry Visel wrote: >Try adding a bit of honey to the patties to get the bees on them quicker. >Gerry Gerry, It is my understanding that terrmycin in contact with water greatly reduces the time that terramycin is effective. This is probably why foulbrood patty recipes are always oil-based instead of water-based. Since honey contains water, adding honey to a grease patty may reduce the effectivenss of the terramycin. Caution. John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA jcaldeira@earthlink.net From mariajhn@lex.infi.net Sat Sep 14 11:37:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: spiderlily Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Cash Date: 8 Sep 1996 21:24:25 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <50vdi9$8ho@nw101.infi.net> References: <50k6bv$r6k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp3.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) To: bmoyer34@aol.com Pease do not post your pyramid schemes in our nice beekeeping newsgroup. We like bees and hives and homemade honey, not your get-rich-quick scams. Agni Bhaktarama Carbonaria Honey Farm Madhya Pradesh, India From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:32 EDT 1996 Article: 5461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!agate!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid Date: 9 Sep 1996 05:19:03 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5109c7$cpk@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <9608281915312394@beenet.com> <5043r0$hid@hp.cuug.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: line208.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: meaderyman@delphi.com X-URL: news:RDGyrIM.meaderyman@delphi.com Be very careful with the acid, wear gloves and a facemask, work upwind of it. The idea is to release it slowly over a few days, which gives it the chance to get to mites which are on bees just being born. You should treat about 5 times, about 3 days apart if using pads, that will cover most of the life cycle of Varroa. From mpcenter@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carniolan Bees Date: 9 Sep 1996 01:34:51 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <510a9r$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hello! I'm planning on starting my first hive(s) in the spring. In the mean time, I have been doing tons of reading, and am plan to join my local beekeeping association at their next meeting later this month. In my reading, all of the books have stated that Carniolan bees are extremely gentle, which is leading me to want to go with that type of bee. Any comments? I'd appreciate the assistance since I've never kept bees before, but seem to have caught the bug, er... BEE! Thanks! Mary From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead - Beginner Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 08:08:39 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <177FD728ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bb9caa$af76ea40$643fdec2@tdale.tdaledemon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <01bb9caa$af76ea40$643fdec2@tdale.tdaledemon.co.uk> "Tim Dale" writes: > >Help..... >I've spent hours searching for a 'How to make mead' tutorial. > >Virgin meadmaker The best "how to" primer on mead making that I ever read was authored by Brother Adam! It was featured in a back issue of _Zymurgy_ at least 13 years ago. I know this because the article mentions that mead should be aged for 5 years. FIVE YEARS! Screw that noise I thought, the last thing I need is another long term project. I stumbled across the article about five years later and thought, "Well, if I had done it then it would be ready now!" And I've been making mead for four years since. Incidently, none of the bottles have hit the five year mark! I'm surprized that all of the articles appearing since Brother Adam's passing have failed to mention his mead making prowess or that the Buckfast Abbey is renown for excellence in mead circles. Aaron Morris - thinking life is short with many 5 year blocks... Make the best of your blocks! From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.mindspring.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!pagesat.net!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 11:42:31 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 28 Message-ID: <510vsl$itc@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <321fa51a.0@news.acadiacom.net> <9608291701012402@beenet.com> <32305C8B.22C@snds.com> <50v2il$486@peru.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <50v2il$486@peru.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: >Gerry Visel wrote: > >>Try adding a bit of honey to the patties to get the bees on them quicker. > >>Gerry > >Gerry, > It is my understanding that terrmycin in contact with water >greatly reduces the time that terramycin is effective. This is >probably why foulbrood patty recipes are always oil-based instead of >water-based. Since honey contains water, adding honey to a grease >patty may reduce the effectivenss of the terramycin. Caution. Besides, the idea is not to get the bees to eat the pattie quickly, but to have them in contact with it for a long time. The purpose of the sugar, apparently is to ensure they do work at it a little at a time, rather than ignore it or propolize it. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0832.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan Bees Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:19:08 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 38 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <510a9r$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0832.cit.cornell.edu In article <510a9r$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) wrote: > Hello! > > I'm planning on starting my first hive(s) in the spring. In the mean > time, I have been doing tons of reading, and am plan to join my local > beekeeping association at their next meeting later this month. In my > reading, all of the books have stated that Carniolan bees are extremely > gentle, which is leading me to want to go with that type of bee. Any > comments? I'd appreciate the assistance since I've never kept bees > before, but seem to have caught the bug, er... BEE! > > Thanks! > > Mary Hi Mary. This is somewhat of a common gerneralization. There are very gentle Italian bees and cross Caucasian or Carniolan ones. Each colony has its disposition. Carniolans (i.e., New World Carniolans, bred in the US) are in my experience as gentle as most of the Italians, or vice-versa, and pleasant to work with. Maybe others can confirm from their experiences. The carnies do tend to have smaller colonies, population-wise and winter with a smaller cluster, which is a plus (don't eat as much). Italians often keep rearing brood right into the fall, whereas carniolans tend to "shut down" earlier and store honey in the brood area for winter. In these respects they are ideal for use in the north. In addition, they are particularly good for comb honey, as they normally cap the honey combs evenly with a brilliant white appearance. Since it's best to start with two or three colonies, why not try some carniolans and also a hive or two of Italians for your own comparisons? I would shy away from Caucasians - they are usually very gentle but they gum up the hive with propolis (plant resins) excessively and this makes manipulations difficult. One last point - carnies have developed a reputation for being bad swarmers as compared to Italians. Can't say I've noticed; You might contact Dr. Susan Cobey at Ohio State Univ., who is involved in the New World Carniolan breeding program. She is the authority on these critters. Good luck.. JWG. From jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!metro.atlanta.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cc.gatech.edu!prism!usenet From: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: 09 Sep 1996 15:49:45 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 21 Sender: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Message-ID: <0div9npixy.fsf@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmey-prism.gatech.edu In-reply-to: jhopkins@cswnet.com's message of Sun, 08 Sep 1996 19:40:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 >He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years >ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? > >John Hopkins > You might want to get the latest revision of "The Hive and the Honey Bee" from Dadant Press. Their latest revision came out less than 5 years ago, and it's a dandy source of information. I'm sure someone else from the net can get you a pointer to Dadant, or you may be able to find a local store in your phone book. Jef -- ========================================================================== "There is more to life than increasing its speed...." Mohandas K. Gandhi Jef Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu ========================================================================== From Drmobius@cris.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!not-for-mail From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall honey - golden rod Date: 9 Sep 1996 21:09:47 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <51212r$bfq@herald.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: viking.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] I live in extreme SE Louisiana near New Orleans (NU or LUNZ). I had some queen problems early in the spring (which thankfully was 1 month late) and I didn't get a very good crop. Is the fall honey from flowers like golden rod any good for table use. Timothy Kooney From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee list? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 21:14:04 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5121cb$1ps@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <322e11ed.10772330@news.avana.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp12.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <322e11ed.10772330@news.avana.net>, vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) wrote: >Is there a list serve for bee keepers? BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Send a message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU saying only SUBSCRIBE Your Name BEE-L Be prepared to answer 'OK' to a message that will come back shortly, and then you are set. See you there... ] Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From midnitebee@cybertours.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news.new-york.net!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cyberTours!news From: "MIDNITEBEE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass inner covers Date: 9 Sep 1996 17:59:57 GMT Organization: HOLLY-B APIARY Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bb9e79$4ab79fc0$a3048bcd@midnitebee.cybertours.com> References: <510a9r$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn4-asy163.cybertours.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I have some inner covers,which are glass,instead of wood. Are there any pro or cons? From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 11:39:39 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 46 Message-ID: <510vn8$itc@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <9608281915312394@beenet.com> <5043r0$hid@hp.cuug.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , Robert Allen Stevens wrote: >Allen Dick writes: > >>This is the concentrate (80%?) and must be diluted for safety for the >>bees and the humans handling it. MAke sure you know the correct >>method. Boiling acid is no fun. > >What is the correct method for diluting the formic. Acid into water, not the other way. Wear goggles, and have baking soda around to use in case of spills. Pour slowly and carefully. > By quick release method >I assume you mean that most of the formic vaporizes within a day or so of >placing the pads on the top bars. I don't understand how a large amount of >formic released in one day impacts the honey (production) less than a small amount over >several days. Wouldn't a small amount released in the center of the brood >cluster be the most efficacious. In theory, perhaps, but the *bees* are continuously exposed to FA, too. Not good for them. Besides, what I am saying about reduced yields is from experimental results, not theory, so I really can't say. > My second brood chambers are mostly filled >with honey this time of year. >By placing the pads on the top of the second chamber, I'm impacting the honey more than the brood aren't I? Beats me. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wrapping hives for winter Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 11:51:31 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5110dh$itc@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <50s1pq$ce6@news.sas.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <50s1pq$ce6@news.sas.ab.ca>, rberean@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: >I have roughly 35 hives set up individually in 2 yards. Last >winter I wrapped them separately and had very bad winter losses >in the severe weather we had. This year I thought I'd try >putting 4 hives together and wrapping them as a unit, but I >want to leave them in the same yards. How can I minimise the >resulting confusion for the bees when I shift all the hives a >few meters to get them in position? > If the bees haven't flown (much) for three days (sonmetimes less), you can move them anywhere you like without them returning to the old location. Thus rainy spells and cold snaps are opportunities. Come late October, flight is usually down to the point where here in ALberta, we can move hives anywhere we like, even on sunny days. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strange propolis circles! Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:44:21 -0700 Organization: Biosource Lines: 7 Message-ID: <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) There are two identical 5 inch perfect circles that look like they are propolis or some sort of orang bee poop on the outside front of the bottom super of my bee hive. These are side by side, a couple inches apart. What are these? Thank you in advance Marc Andelman From vandy@avana.net Sat Sep 14 11:37:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ktb.net!news.electricpages.com!usenet From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee list? Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 01:55:04 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Lines: 7 Message-ID: <322e11ed.10772330@news.avana.net> Reply-To: vandy@avana.net NNTP-Posting-Host: atl91.avana.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Is there a list serve for bee keepers? Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net Georgia, USA From jhopkins@cswnet.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.csw.net!news From: jhopkins@cswnet.com (John Hopkins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Book Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 19:40:20 GMT Organization: CSW Net, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cshub3-16.cswnet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I need your help. My father in Law is really into beekeeping. He reads just about everything that he possibly can. He subscribes to several magazines. I would like to get him a book for his birthday coming toward the end of the month. I am wondering is there an encyclopedia for beekeeping? If so where can I get a copy? If not what would be an excellant book for a well read bee keeper, and how could I get it? He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? John Hopkins From AAEHEGV@snds.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!venger.snds.com!usenet From: Gerry Visel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Magazines/Newsletters Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:01:33 -0700 Organization: Sundstrand Corporation Lines: 5 Message-ID: <32343F5D.3C26@snds.com> References: <4vsuar$1et@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aero.snds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) The most common and very useful publications (IMO) in the US are: Bee Culture magazine (by A. I. Root,) American Bee Journal magazine (by Dadants,) BEE-L list server, this newsgroup From pmizen@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pmizen@aol.com (PMIZEN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam's Books Date: 9 Sep 1996 17:12:41 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <512189$qce@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pmizen@aol.com (PMIZEN) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com The other Brother Adam book referred to is FOR THE LOVE OF BEES by LESLEY BILL ref ISBN 0-7153-9261-1. Any of the books by or about Brother Adam can be purchased at BEE BOOKS NEW AND OLD,TAPPINGWALL FARM, BURROWBRIDGE, SOMERSET, ENGLAND. Philip Mizen From golfdrvr@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: List of Honey Wholesalers??? Date: 9 Sep 1996 20:05:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <512bc4$t1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hi! My name is Marc Wachter and I just started brewing mead...everything >from light "champagne" mead to heady "pseudo-ale" mead and I am looking for some information on honey wholesalers (or just honey distributors in general regardless of size). I've tried my hand on the web but after graduating I went from a Sun system to a 386 PC and BOY what a difference (it's like going from a Diablo to a tricycle). Thanks in advance!! Marc From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:53 EDT 1996 Article: 5478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0811.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange propolis circles! Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:11:32 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 14 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0811.cit.cornell.edu In article <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > There are two identical 5 inch perfect circles that look like > they are propolis or some sort of orang bee poop on the outside > front of the bottom super of my bee hive. These are side by side, > a couple inches apart. What are these? > > Thank you in advance > Marc Andelman\ Oh no, first it was crop circles... Damn aliens again. This is a new one to me; maybe they were bored? From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0811.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:16:27 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 20 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0811.cit.cornell.edu In article <511klp$hja@data.csw.net>, jhopkins@cswnet.com (John Hopkins) wrote: > I need your help. My father in Law is really into beekeeping. He > reads just about everything that he possibly can. He subscribes to > several magazines. I would like to get him a book for his birthday > coming toward the end of the month. I am wondering is there an > encyclopedia for beekeeping? If so where can I get a copy? If not > what would be an excellant book for a well read bee keeper, and how > could I get it? He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years > ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? > > John Hopkins Try THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BEEKEEPING, ed. by Morse & Hooper or the new version of ABC & XYZ of BEEKEEPING (totally revamped in recent years) or Dr. Eva Crane also came out with an *extremely* exhaustive reference text, I think entitled BEES & HONEY (Corrections solicited). ( This one published perhaps 6-7 years ago) From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0811.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass inner covers Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:21:13 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 17 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <510a9r$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <01bb9e79$4ab79fc0$a3048bcd@midnitebee.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0811.cit.cornell.edu In article <01bb9e79$4ab79fc0$a3048bcd@midnitebee.cybertours.com>, "MIDNITEBEE" wrote: > I have some inner covers,which are glass,instead of wood. Are there any pro > or cons? Pros - you can see the cluster (in winter especially) without disturbing them. This lets you see right away if they are safely in contact with food stores. You can judge the hive population or degree of crowding without ripping off the roof of their home. Con I guess is the fact that they are breakable and therefore possibly dangerous. You can't bang the bees off like with a regular inner cover. They are also impervious to water vapor so you'd have to provide a vent/hole for warm moist air to escape. From garetl@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:37:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mem.bellsouth.net!news.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: garetl@aol.com (GaretL) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best Method of Wax Rendering Date: 9 Sep 1996 22:03:21 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: garetl@aol.com (GaretL) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com To all: I have a surplus of old frames in bad condition that I would like to render into wax. A solar melter won't work for this project because of the number of frames involved and the fact that I have the most time to work when it is cold and rainy. What is the best method for rendering using my kitchen stove or other household device? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Garet Livermore Burlington, Vermont From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Sep 14 11:37:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-13.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: List of Honey Wholesalers??? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 07:43:26 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <177FE6CA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <512bc4$t1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <512bc4$t1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) writes: > >Hi! My name is Marc Wachter and I just started brewing mead...everything >from light "champagne" mead to heady "pseudo-ale" mead and I am looking >for some information on honey wholesalers (or just honey distributors in >general regardless of size). Marc, There are many readers of the world wide newsgroup who may be able and eager to help you out. Where in the world are you? /Aa From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sat Sep 14 11:37:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Method of Wax Rendering Date: 10 Sep 1996 05:47:31 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 28 Message-ID: <512vdj$jl2@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line270.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) To: garetl@aol.com X-URL: news:512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com You didn't say how many, 50 or 1,000 frames? If you get lots of sun, a few solar melters will clean them up fast. If you must do it when its cold and rainy, I suggest an old barbecue placed well away from any building, with trays to catch the wax, and be sure it doesn't leak into the flame. Too dangerous to do near any building or enclosure. Alternately, break the wax out of the frames, put it in a pot with some water, put in on a stove and as the water heats up the wax well melt. Pour the mess through a window screen into another pot, leave it alone to settle out. You may have to do this a few times, but about the third try, you well have reasonable good wax. You can wash the grit off the bottom under a hot water tap each time, not too much wax is lost this way. You will find solar melting a lot cheaper. I happened to have some wood boxes available, old drawers in fact, that were about 6 inches deep, and I painted them black inside. About 8 frames or so would fit in each box, and with a piece of glass over them, they got hot enough in about an hour, that the wax melted off the frames. I discovered two things, one, is that if the drawer is too deep, it only works on the top of the box, the bottom doesn't get hot enough, and secondly, most melting occurred between 11:00 am and 5:00 pm. Now, I work during those hours, so I just filled them up every night, and over a couple of weeks, managed to melt out about 20 supers. No cost, and actually less work, as the dross seemed to stay in one spot, but if you put a sllight slope on the box, the wax ran to the bottom, and didn't take the impurities with it. Good luck. From pollinator@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall honey - golden rod Date: 10 Sep 1996 06:24:21 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 66 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <513fkl$ffo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <51212r$bfq@herald.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <51212r$bfq@herald.concentric.net>, Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) writes: >Subject: Fall honey - golden rod >From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) >Date: 9 Sep 1996 21:09:47 GMT > >I live in extreme SE Louisiana near New Orleans (NU or LUNZ). I had some >queen problems early in the spring (which thankfully was 1 month late) and >I didn't get a very good crop. Is the fall honey from flowers like golden >rod any good for table use. The government never thought so, as they always listed it as "non-table" grade. But some goldenrod is excellent. There are many species of goldenrod, and the yield and quality vary. Generally the bigger and quicker the flow, the lighter the honey. It stinks while they are making it (good attraction for bears), but has a nice odor and a spicy taste when finished. In the north, I always found that goldenrod did not yield very well on the limestone soils that made the best clover crops. Goldenrod grew profusely in the area; the bees worked it, but just did not produce much. The best spots were the more acid and well drained hilly shale and sandstone based soils. It also yielded best when there was good rainfall in August, while the buds were forming, then warm sunny weather during bloom. In western NY, I have seen a hundred pounds of goldenrod put in per hive, in just a week of nice weather. Once I walked between two bee yards that were six tenths of a mile apart, on a sunny afternoon when goldenrod was at peak. There were bees galore on the plants within a couple hundred yards of the sites. But there was a large section in between, that hardly had a single bee on the flowers. So the yield is so great, under ideal conditions, that the bees cannot utilize all the resource. In South Carolina, it also yields poorly in low, poorly drained coastal areas. It is much better on higher, sandier inland soils, but again it does need a couple of good rains before bloom. In an ideal situation here, with the bees ready, and perfect weather, you might get 25 or 30 pounds per hive. I am not too familiar with your area specifically. You might ask local beekeepers weather it would be better to move the bees to some higher ground. I love the cool crisp fall days with warm sunny afternoons. The bees work the goldenrod until dark, and beyond. Then they all sit on the porch until the wee hours of coolness. The little white asters follow directly, and will continue to yield after frost. Both goldenrod and aster will crystalize fairly quickly, so don't wait too long for harvest, or you won't be able to extract. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pbackiel@omnirel.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!venus.os.com!usenet From: Peter Backiel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Starlings of the Yellow Jacket World Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:21:42 -0400 Organization: Omnirel Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3235A3A6.3C1B@omnirel.com> References: <506sib$3rf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp2-os-gw.os.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Pollinator wrote: > > This is the time of year when you hear a lot of fussing about yellow > jackets. (Or, if the fusser hasn't looked too closely -- "bees" -- > which seems to mean "anything that stings.") Bees are important > pollinators, yellow jackets do little pollination. So we need to protect > bees, and kill yellow jackets -- Right? > The way I control yellow jackets is: First, I get a can of cat food - yellow jackets are carnivorous Second, I mix Sevin with the cat food Third, I put this mixture back in the can with 3/8" wire mesh over the top. This will prevent my neighbors new cat from eating the concoction, but allow the yellow jackets to eat it. I think their old cat ate my first attempt without the wire mesh. Please don't tell them, I think they still have hopes of Cuddles returning. After 3-4 days you can't find a yellow jacket within 1 mile of my apairy. ================================================= Omnirel Corporation Peter J. Backiel Jr. Accounting Manager 205 Crawford Street Leominster, Massachusetts 01453 (508) 534-5776 Fax (508) 537-4246 ================================================= From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!usenet From: Jim Moore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange propolis circles! Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:16:59 -0400 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 3 Message-ID: <32356A4B.6488@aiag.enet.dec.com> References: <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.ogo.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) CC: Jim Moore One possible explanation is that a syrup or paint can was set on the face of the super at some point, and left some residue or a layer that the bees detected and attempted to clean/cover with propolis. From pollinator@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:04 EDT 1996 Article: 5487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Possible Change in Bee-Protection Labels? Date: 11 Sep 1996 00:03:18 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 111 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <515dm6$80o@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com This announcement was posted on the mosquito list. I have not yet verified the accuracy of the information, but felt is was important enough to pass on immediately FWIW. If true, it would be of great benefit to the bees. Current labels are not universally obeyed; and some states even have official programs to circumvent compliance with bee protection labels. These would make the bee protection much more specific and possibly harder to circumvent. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Copy of the announcement: Subj: Proposed Label Changes Date: 96-09-10 20:55:38 EDT From: byteline@maas.net (Don Menard) Sender: owner-mosquito-l@iastate.edu Reply-to: mosquito-l@iastate.edu =============================================== Lucas Terracina of Calcasieu Parish Mosquito Control posted the following on Byteline that will have a detrimental affect on most mosquito control operations if enacted. Before these proposals go into effect, make your feelings known to your legislators and to Jim Bach whose address is included below. Thanks, Don Menard byteline@maas.net =============================================== PROPOSED CHANGE FOR BEE STATEMENTS - ON LABELS The EPA is proposing changes in the environmental hazard statements on pesticide labels for the protection of bees and other beneficial insects. EPA is proposing that all labels be changed if a pesticide is toxic to insects that are beneficial to crops, as shown in research data, or if the product is intended for application from bud through bloom or foliar application to agricultural crops, forests, shade trees or ornamentals, or for mosquito abatement. Any pesticide that meets any of the above criteria will have a precautionary statement on the label. To MINIMIZE BEE KILLS, pesticide products that are toxic to bees will be required to include one of two statements on the label to protect bees. The statement used will depend on whether the pesticide has displayed an extended residual toxicity. The two samples shown are proposed label statements. Some changes are likely before final statements are adopted. These label statements may be added to pesticide labels within one or two years. Comments on this proposal, prior to the proposal being published in the Federal Register for public comment, may be addressed to: Jim Bach Washington Dept. Of Agriculture Box 42560, Olympia, WA 98504-2560 phone # 306-902-1922 or Fax 306-902-2094 _______________________________________________________________ PROSPSED STATEMENT #1 PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENT IF EXTENDED RESIDUAL TOXICITY IS DISPLAYED (i.e.) Carbofuran, Malathion ULV) This product is toxic to bees exposed to application or residues. Unless this product is used in accordance with a state program for the protection of bees or as otherwise stated on this label, DO NOT allow this product to come in contact either directly or through drift to blooming crops or blooming weeds. ________________________________________________________________ PROPOSED STATEMENT #2 PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENT IF EXTENDED RESIDUAL TOXICITY IS NOT DISPLAYED (i.e.) Carbaryl, Endosulfan) This product is toxic to bees. Unless this product is used in accordance with a state program for the protection of bees or as otherwise stated on this label. DO NOT allow this product to come in contact either directly or through drift to blooming crops or blooming weeds between 2 hours before sunrise and 2 hours after sunset. We received the information from Doug Johnson, Administrator, Cascade County Weed and Mosquito Management District in Great Falls, Montana. His phone number is (406) 454-6920, fax 454-6922 Doug got the information from a recent Montana State Department of Agriculture Newsletter. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Tagline Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Gravity: Not just a good idea, it's the law. _____________________________________________________________________ Bee Protection: Not just a good idea, it's the law. -DLGreen Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From r.j.yates@open.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:38:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re grease patties Date: 9 Sep 1996 18:26:01 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 19 Message-ID: <511nfp$qdi@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <50nq0a$ib2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) wrote: >paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) wrote: >>walter@walter.airtime.co.uk (walter Holmes) writes: >>>what the eck is crisco. >I've also heard it put forth that the "Crisco" makes it difficult, if >not impossible, for the tracheal mites to move from one host bee to Are you saying this crisco is vegetable oil? What sort? Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. From N.S.Birchall@lboro.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:38:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!lboro.ac.uk!mac-cdnsb.lut.ac.uk!user From: N.S.Birchall@lboro.ac.uk (Stephen Birchall) Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Sender: usenet@lboro.ac.uk (Usenet-News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:55:20 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mac-cdnsb.lut.ac.uk References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> Organization: Loughborough University Lines: 33 In article , jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) wrote: > In article <511klp$hja@data.csw.net>, jhopkins@cswnet.com (John Hopkins) wrote: > > > I need your help. My father in Law is really into beekeeping. He > > reads just about everything that he possibly can. He subscribes to > > several magazines. I would like to get him a book for his birthday > > coming toward the end of the month. I am wondering is there an > > encyclopedia for beekeeping? If so where can I get a copy? If not > > what would be an excellant book for a well read bee keeper, and how > > could I get it? He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years > > ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? > > > > John Hopkins > > Try THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BEEKEEPING, ed. by Morse & Hooper > or > the new version of ABC & XYZ of BEEKEEPING (totally revamped in recent years) > or > Dr. Eva Crane also came out with an *extremely* exhaustive reference text, > I think entitled BEES & HONEY (Corrections solicited). ( This one > published perhaps 6-7 years ago) I've tried to get hold of the illustrated Encyclopaedia of Beekkeeping fairly recently, but was informed that it is out of print. Can anybody suggest a source for this book, or if it is likely to be re-printed ? I've always found Hoopers Bees and Honey to be very useful, albeit from a British perspective. cheers - Steve From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Sat Sep 14 11:38:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!niss!bath.ac.uk!dcl-cs!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:14:51 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <323585EB.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) To: John Hopkins John Hopkins wrote: > > I need your help. My father in Law is really into beekeeping. He > reads just about everything that he possibly can. He subscribes to > several magazines. I would like to get him a book for his birthday > coming toward the end of the month. I am wondering is there an > encyclopedia for beekeeping? If so where can I get a copy? If not > what would be an excellant book for a well read bee keeper, and how > could I get it? He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years > ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? > > John Hopkins I very much enjoyed The Wisdom of the Hive: Social Physiology of Honey Bee colonies Thomas D Seeley Harvard University Press (1995) ISBN 0674953762 From beefriend@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: 11 Sep 1996 02:56:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <515nrn$d6b@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <323585EB.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader My favorite gift book is "The Honey Bee" by Gould & Gould, now available in paperback. Published by Scientific American Library (a division of HPHLP) in 1988. beautifuly illustrated, it recounts how bee researchers elicited what we know about books. Really fascinating. David Morris Laurel, Md From beefriend@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead - Beginner Date: 11 Sep 1996 03:04:58 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <515oaq$dcm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <177FD728ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Br. Adam aged his mead for fives years ON OAK! He the aged it FIVE MORE YEARS IN THE BOTTLE. I know. My wife and I shared some 10 year old mead with Br. Adam in his office three years ago while he explained how it was made. His mead was indescribably delicious. I might add that he said he would get work done in the apiary by offering his mead to the workers as a dinner treat. For really heavy labor, they got SPARKLING MEAD! Long may his memory be cherished by beekeepers. David and Adele Morris Laurel, Md From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:38:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Method of Wax Rendering Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:33:52 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, GaretL writes >To all: >I have a surplus of old frames in bad condition that I would like to >render into wax. A solar melter won't work for this project Wax vapour is flamable so a direct flame is inadvisable. I would make an electric double boiler. Take one oil or paint drum and fit it with an electric kettle element. Find another container that will fit inside and fit it inside. Put water in the first and wax in the second. Switch on and get the water up to boiling etc etc, skim of the dross etc etc. OK, this account lacks detail and refinements like a thermostatic switch but I'm sure you get the picture. I can't spell baine marie. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From roman@praktika.donetsk.ua Sat Sep 14 11:38:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!demos!news1.relcom.ru!kiae!relcom!news.ts.kiev.ua!news.dipt.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Roman M. Shparber" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information needed (see letter, please) Date: 5 Sep 1996 19:11:30 +0300 Organization: PRAKTIKA Lines: 8 Sender: news@dipt.donetsk.ua Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: roman@praktika.donetsk.ua NNTP-Posting-Host: pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua X-Return-Path: praktua!praktika.donetsk.ua!roman@fticom.dipt.donetsk.ua Please, help get any information (or www-site) about bee-hives of Farrar construction and DeLon(g) construction. Or maybe you know some interesting web-sites (with hive plans or descriptions), please share the address. Thank you a lot in advance. Mihail Leshkov. From edieell@charleston.net Sat Sep 14 11:38:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!j6.inktomi.com!re.hotwired.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: edieell@mail.charleston.net (Jack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam's Books Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:06:23 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5143o0$vfs@news1.sunbelt.net> References: <322F54B3.7752@interport.net> Reply-To: edieell@charleston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-1.r2.sccht2.infoave.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) wrote: >In article <322F54B3.7752@interport.net>, dgcooper@interport.net wrote: >> I read Brother Adams obit in THE NEW YORK TIMES yesterday, where the >> titles of his books was listed. Can anyone suggest where I might find >> these books. I live in New York City, but my local library doesn't >> carry any of them. >> Thank you, >> Fiona >the titles are BEEKEEPING AT BUCKFAST ABBEY, IN SEARCH OF THE (BEST) >STRAINS OF BEES, and BREEDING THE HONEYBEE; at least as I recall. There >is a biography, recently published, written by a woman who did some work >with him, describing his lifetime of work and the bee-farm run by the >Abbey. Sorry, but I can't remember the title; perhaps one of our British >friends can provide it. >THe BBC video, "The Monk and the Honeybee" is excellent and worth locating. ************************************************************ I have 2 copies of BEEKEEPING AT BUCKFAST ABBY which I purchased at Buckfast Abby while visiting there. One is soft cover, the other hardback which I will sell. Both in excellent unused condition. Reply if interested. Thanks, Jack From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can I store comb honey in the freezer? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:32:33 -0700 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Hi. I am producing comb honey for personal use, and wonder if I can just put it up in the deep freezer, or will this cause it to crystallize? Thank you Marc Andelman From chiemer@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!demos!news1.relcom.ru!EU.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chiemer@aol.com (Chiemer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Starlings of the Yellow Jacket World Date: 10 Sep 1996 21:15:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 14 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <5153ru$34e@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3235A3A6.3C1B@omnirel.com> Reply-To: chiemer@aol.com (Chiemer) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com It sounds like a good recipe, I will keep in mind for in times of need. We should not forget that even though they seem useless to us, God designed the Yellow Jacket as beneficial insects. They are eating spiders and many different kinds of little insects. If they are not bothering us, then we should let them remain unpoisoned in the local ecosystem. Thanks for the tip, my condolences to your neighbour. Best regards, Chris Hiemstra Kingsville, Ontario From edieell@charleston.net Sat Sep 14 11:38:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: edieell@mail.charleston.net (Jack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re grease patties Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:31:57 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5164h1$jla@news1.sunbelt.net> References: <50nq0a$ib2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <511nfp$qdi@clyde.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: edieell@charleston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-1.r2.sccht2.infoave.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Richard Yates wrote: >jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) wrote: >>paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) wrote: >>>walter@walter.airtime.co.uk (walter Holmes) writes: >>>>what the eck is crisco. >>I've also heard it put forth that the "Crisco" makes it difficult, if >>not impossible, for the tracheal mites to move from one host bee to >Are you saying this crisco is vegetable oil? What sort? >Richard. >~~~~~~~~ ***************************************** Crisco is a solid shortening (grease) made from vegetable oil and is quite common in the US. Crisco is also available in the liquid form and is equally common in the US. Hope this helps Jack. From woodschild@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.netone.com!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: woodschild@aol.com (Woodschild) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: information needed about hollow-like hives Date: 10 Sep 1996 20:07:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <514vs8$1cb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: woodschild@aol.com (Woodschild) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I maintain a natural tree-hollow beehive in a nature center. The log is 20 years old now and needs to be replaced because of visitor wear and tear. I would also be interested in hollow-like hives so we can maintain a VERY popular exhibit. From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.dfn.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!uni-paderborn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1629.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information needed (see letter, please) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:24:27 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 27 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1629.cit.cornell.edu In article , roman@praktika.donetsk.ua wrote: > Please, help get any information (or www-site) about bee-hives of > Farrar construction and DeLon(g) construction. > Or maybe you know some interesting web-sites (with hive plans or > descriptions), please share the address. > Thank you a lot in advance. > > Mihail Leshkov. Farrar used 12 or 13 - frame hive bodies, 6 5/8" deep. These held the Modified Dadant 6 1/4" frames. The hive bodies were essentially square as seen from the top. Dr. Farrar recommended using 4-5 of these as the standard hive-unit, more of the same were added above for honey surplus storage. I think the idea behind using these shallow hive bodies was so that in the scheme of management entire boxes could be shifted instead of moving individual frames, to achieve the same results. These hives were shown and described in 1970's editions of BEEKEEPING IN THE UNITED STATES, a U.S. Dept. of Agriculture publication, from the U.S. Gov't Printing Office. This may be still available. Otherwise, Dr. Farrar wrote a series of articles for the American Bee Journal back in the 40's or 50's entitled "Productive Management of Honey Bee Colonies." This I believe was reprinted within the last 10 years in ABJ. Farrar was a proponent of 2-queen management systems, and preferred the shallow chambers for this as well. You could try contacting Univ. of Minnesota entomologists/apiculture dept. They may still be using these hives. From monarch@hemi.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:20 EDT 1996 Article: 5501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.hemi.com!hemi.com From: monarch@hemi.com (Maxine Davi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping ordinances Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 19:35:17 -0600 Organization: Hemisphere Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <09-10-1996.0@hemi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp10.hemi.com X-MKSIA-SN: Hemisphere233 Hi: I'm doing some research for a friend of mine. She is preparing to appear before the Denver (CO) City Council to request that they establish a beekeeping ordinance. She is trying to obtain ordinances from other cities and countries to help her in her efforts. If anyone has a copy of an ordinance or knows where I could obtain one, would you be so kind as to either e-mail me at monarch@hemi.com or send me a copy of the ordinance? I (we) would greatly appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks! Micki Davi P.O. Box 1182 Conifer, CO 80433 From woodschild@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: woodschild@aol.com (Woodschild) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: information needed about hollow-like hives Date: 10 Sep 1996 19:45:39 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <514uj3$mv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: woodschild@aol.com (Woodschild) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I maintain a natural tree-hollow beehive in a nature center. Because of visitor wear and tear the original log needs to be replaced. I would be interested in any alternative hive designs that would preserve the natural look of our hive and provide for easier maintenance, inspection, and feeding - we do not harvest honey. This is a VERY popular display but nearly impossible to manage properly - we lost the hive to mites last year because we couldn't inspect them right. From roman@praktika.donetsk.ua Sat Sep 14 11:38:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!demos!news1.relcom.ru!kiae!relcom!news.ts.kiev.ua!news.dipt.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Roman M. Shparber" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: information needed about hollow-like hives Date: 10 Sep 1996 22:47:06 +0300 Organization: PRAKTIKA Lines: 8 Sender: news@dipt.donetsk.ua Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: roman@praktika.donetsk.ua NNTP-Posting-Host: pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua X-Return-Path: praktua!praktika.donetsk.ua!roman@fticom.dipt.donetsk.ua I would appreciate if anyone would sare an information - construction plans, description ( or, even preferable, would name sourses of information - www sites, etc.) of Farrer or Delong hives ( a hollow immitation hives). Thank you very much in advance. Roman Shparber From jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cc.gatech.edu!prism!usenet From: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: 11 Sep 1996 07:52:46 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 28 Sender: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Message-ID: <0dpw3tjmk1.fsf@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <50v2il$486@peru.earthlink.net> <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <321fa5 <96091017145019@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmey-prism.gatech.edu In-reply-to: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com's message of Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:34:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 >The addition of Honey in place of sugar adds nothing that the bees can >not get from the sugar other then inflating the cost of the treatment >and a small risk that the honey may not be a good food source for the >bees, such as melter honey, or honey contaminated with some bee disease. > > ttul Andy- > Andy, I was curious about your statement about "melter" honey. I assume by this you mean the sugar syrup left over after melting down comb...? Why would that sugar syrup not be a good source of food for the bees? Does the heating cause it to be inedible? I would think heating would help eliminate the potential for spreading any disease spores...what am I missing here? Jef -- ========================================================================== "There is more to life than increasing its speed...." Mohandas K. Gandhi Jef Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu ========================================================================== From eyret@racal-survey.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:38:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mailrelay.rsgl.com From: "fs1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:08:07 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bb9fda$41e90de0$0aee75c1@racalsy> References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> <323585EB.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mailrelay.rsgl.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mailrelay.rsgl.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 test From aquilla@erols.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news1.erols.com!news!aquilla From: aquilla@erols.com (Tracy Aquilla) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:26:11 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> <323585EB.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dam-as3s40.erols.com X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1 In Article <323585EB.41C67EA6@durham.ac.uk>, Alan Craig wrote: >John Hopkins wrote: >> >> I need your help. My father in Law is really into beekeeping. He >> reads just about everything that he possibly can. He subscribes to >> several magazines. I would like to get him a book for his birthday >> coming toward the end of the month. I am wondering is there an >> encyclopedia for beekeeping? If so where can I get a copy? If not >> what would be an excellant book for a well read bee keeper, and how >> could I get it? He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years >> ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? >> >> John Hopkins > >I very much enjoyed > >The Wisdom of the Hive: Social Physiology of Honey Bee colonies > >Thomas D Seeley >Harvard University Press (1995) >ISBN 0674953762 Seely's books are great. They are written from the perspective of a ecologist/socio-biologist and are full of interesting details. Highly recommended whether you're into the science of it or not. Tracy From aquilla@erols.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:27 EDT 1996 Article: 5507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.erols.net!news1.erols.com!news!aquilla From: aquilla@erols.com (Tracy Aquilla) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:30:15 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <511klp$hja@data.csw.net> <0div9npixy.fsf@acmey.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dam-as3s40.erols.com X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1 In Article <0div9npixy.fsf@acmey.gatech.edu>, jm67@acmey.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) wrote: > >>He hasn't purchased any new books since about 5 years >>ago. Are there any great books that you would recommend? >> >>John Hopkins >> > > You might want to get the latest revision of "The Hive and >the Honey Bee" from Dadant Press. Their latest revision came >out less than 5 years ago, and it's a dandy source of information. >I'm sure someone else from the net can get you a pointer to Dadant, >or you may be able to find a local store in your phone book. > > Jef Of cpourse, this is THE text on beekeeping. I also recommend a book called The Art of Beekeeping by Abis (don't have it handy, but can look up details if you ask). This is somewhat of a beginners book, but the author's family has been keeping bees literally forever, hence the family name, and there are many interesting anecdotes worth reading, even for experienced beekeepers. From aquilla@erols.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!news1.erols.com!news!aquilla From: aquilla@erols.com (Tracy Aquilla) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass inner covers Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:32:42 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <510a9r$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <01bb9e79$4ab79fc0$a3048bcd@midnitebee.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dam-as3s40.erols.com X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1 In Article <01bb9e79$4ab79fc0$a3048bcd@midnitebee.cybertours.com>, "MIDNITEBEE" wrote: >I have some inner covers,which are glass,instead of wood. Are there any pro >or cons? > No problem. Many studies have indicated it doesn't affect the bees. Tracy From kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:29 EDT 1996 Article: 5509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.fdt.net!fdtnet!news.biddeford.com!web.ddp.state.me.us!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!kac.dartmouth.edu!kac From: kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu (Warlock) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange propolis circles! Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:56:02 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kac.dartmouth.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) writes: >From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) >Subject: Re: Strange propolis circles! >Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:11:32 -0500 >In article <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > wrote: >> There are two identical 5 inch perfect circles that look like >> they are propolis or some sort of orang bee poop on the outside >> front of the bottom super of my bee hive. These are side by side, >> a couple inches apart. What are these? >Oh no, first it was crop circles... Damn aliens again. >This is a new one to me; maybe they were bored? Just be patience. They will draw out the rest of that smiley face in a few days. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Warlock Wolf #3 kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu FLSTC Lurking in the shadows <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Sep 14 11:38:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Method of Wax Rendering Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 13:05:42 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 14 Message-ID: <516dge$l7l@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp19.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 The *very* best method of wax rendering, and one which will not contribute to the wax fire statistics is to find a good renderer and send your comb there for rendering. Chances are you'll get more wax at less cost -- and much less danger and hassle. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Sep 14 11:38:32 EDT 1996 Article: 5511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!eanews1!bbnews1!psinntp !psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Dave MacFawn Subject: Re: Best Method of Wax Rendering Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Dave.MacFawn@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (davem) Organization: NCR X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.5.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:49:03 GMT Lines: 33 I use a very large pot, large enough for the frames to fit in, fill the pot part way with water (enough to cover the frame with comb when the frame is inserted into the pot) to melt the wax. When all the wax is melted off the frames, the water/wax mixture can be strained thru some fine screen/hardware cloth to get out the debris with the resulting liquid going into a plastic pan for cooling. This works well for me. Be careful of fire with the beeswax. >==========GaretL, 9/9/96========== > >To all: >I have a surplus of old frames in bad condition that I would like to >render into wax. A solar melter won't work for this project because of >the number of frames involved and the fact that I have the most time to >work when it is cold and rainy. What is the best method for rendering >using my kitchen stove or other household device? Any help would be >appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Garet Livermore >Burlington, Vermont dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized bees advance Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091017145020@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 66 *Review of "CALIFORNIA AGRICULTURE", July-August 1996 Free on Request, $12 outside USA, UC Publications, 300 Lakeside Dr., 6th Floor, Oakland, CA 94612-3560, telephone (510) 987-0044 http://www.ucop.edu/anrhome/danr.html California Prepared, But Has Africanized Bee Advance Stalled? What happened to the Afro bees that stalked across the Amazon without leaving a trace, travels 300 miles a year, reported to have killed hundreds if not thousands on their way to the US. Arriving on schedule in Texas in 1990, western Arizona in 1993, and Riverside County, southern California in October 1994. The Body Count in the US is said to bee 4 from the Afro Bees, but some experts on the scene dispute this, in any case bees do kill and in California no reported deaths in two years from the Afro Bees. In 1994 the first Africanized bees were found in California. In 1995 the total was 13 finds. As of July 31, 1996 an additional 16 finds have been made, 14 in Imperial County, and 2 in Riverside County. Whats wrong here, maybe the count is off, or maybe they are not looking as close as they would have you think? In the "CALIFORNIA AGRICULTURE magazine just received on pg 24-28, volume 50, number 4 there is a Bee Research Report or review from Kirk Visscher and Francis Ratnieks which is updated from an earlier report printed earlier elsewhere. The authors indicate that "as of April 1996, 21 colonies had been identified as Africanized, mostly in Imperial County." They go on to state that by the end of July 1996 30 colonies of Afro bees have been verified in southern California. But whats 14 hives more, just like whats the difference between a few normal deaths >from bees in SA and then hundreds, that soon becomes thousands as each BS competes for public interest and support. Who can you believe, and would you believe that both set of numbers come from the same elite scientific publication? Well check out page 6, "AFRICANIZED BEE ADVANCE SLOWLY" as that is the source of the first count. Visscher and Ratnieks report is about "Living with the Africanized bee.." or "SINALOAN BEEKEEPERS ADAPT POLLINATION TO AFRICANIZED BEES", and chronicles two visits ten years after the first Afro bees were said to have been found in Sinaloa State Mexico. One visit was in December 1991 and the other in January 1991. Sinaloa is a prime winter salad bowl and most is exported to the west coast of California via Nogales terminals that handle about 500 truck loads a day of winter vegetables including cuc's, squash, eggplant, and peppers that Mexican beekeepers provide bees to pollinate all with at the least first cross Afro bees. I won't go any farther then this as I believe I have posted the article as it appeared in the "CALIFORNIA BEE TIMES" not long ago. There are some glaring errors in this article, one that really caught my eye was the statement that 1.4 million hives are used for pollination in California each year. This is about what I would say, but the article goes on to say that only 50 times the number of bees that are used by Sinaloan beekeepers are used for pollination in California. This is false as we have individual beekeepers who pollinate more in California with more bee hives then are found in the state of Sinaloa that are used in pollination. ttul OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in ANY form, or to print for ANY use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Barbs has it, like a bee. From edieell@charleston.net Sat Sep 14 11:38:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.oz.net!news.cdsnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: edieell@mail.charleston.net (Jack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Honey for the Small Scale Producer Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:50:32 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5142q8$hld@news1.sunbelt.net> Reply-To: edieell@charleston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.74.160.201 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 VHS tape "Extracting Honey for the Small Scale Producer" , 40 minutes, covers extracting and packaging of honey. Delivered for the low price of $29.50 US dollars. Order by s-mail with payment to: R. J. Elliott 129 Brandywine Drive Summerville, SC 29485-8019 From abeattie@idirect.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news3.idirect.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: abeattie@idirect.com (me) Subject: Are there any bee hive/keeper tours? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsmaster: Laszlo Herczeg (las@idirect.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Client-Port: 1370 Message-ID: <32369B52.418B@idirect.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: glimpsenet24.idirect.com Date: 11 Sep 96 14:42:52 UTC Lines: 6 Would someone please e-mail me if they're familiar with any honey making and bee keeping childrens' tours in Toronto, Canada or south central Ontario. Thanks so much Sherry B - naturally From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease Patties Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091017145019@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <50v2il$486@peru.earthlink.net> <50068n$10f@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <321fa5 Lines: 39 > It is my understanding that terrmycin in contact with water >greatly reduces the time that terramycin is effective. This is >probably why foulbrood patty recipes are always oil-based instead of >water-based. Since honey contains water, adding honey to a grease >patty may reduce the effectivenss of the terramycin. Caution. Hi John, Yes, TM does degrade fast in water, but the amount recommended for each hive takes into consideration that and tests and beekeeper experience have proven that TM is very satisfactory for its intended use in sugar syrup or dry sugar. It must be remembered honeybees do not eat any solid foods and anything they consume is liquefied so whatever the carrier you use to get TM into the hive it will be in contact with some form of water and does degrade, but is effective. Beekeepers who feed lots of sugar syrup to stimulate brood rearing in the spring and use TM seldom have AFB or EFB problems. For TM to be effective for EFB it must be in the hive early before the normal time for EFB to show up in any area. Here that is early spring before brood rearing really gets started. TM in grease patties is OK. The more sugar added to the patties the faster they are consumed. The value of the grease may be in the slower consumption so sugar should be limited to what it takes to attract the bees if you want the patties to last. The addition of Honey in place of sugar adds nothing that the bees can not get from the sugar other then inflating the cost of the treatment and a small risk that the honey may not be a good food source for the bees, such as melter honey, or honey contaminated with some bee disease. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4 fr. extractor for sale Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:51:01 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 4 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128 I saw an ad in the local free paper for a 4 frame extractor, with motor. The seller is only asking 100 dollars. This is in Ithaca, NY area. If anyone is interested (seriously) e-mail me and I can check it out. -- Joel From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1629.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I store comb honey in the freezer? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:31:08 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 20 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1629.cit.cornell.edu In article <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > Hi. I am producing comb honey for personal use, and wonder if I can > just put it up in the deep freezer, or will this cause it to > crystallize? > > Thank you > Marc Andelman Actually, storing it in a deep freezer is probably the best way to keep it. In fact,this will usually prevent granulation. Also it protects the comb honey from wax moth larvae damage by destroying any minute eggs present. The practice usually recommended is to put the comb honey in a plastic bag and seal it (with a twist-tie) prior to putting in the freezer. Then someday when you take it out of the freezer, leave it in the bag for several hours til it returns to room temp. This way the moisture condenses on the outside of the bag and not on the comb honey itself. Also be careful handling it when it comes out of the freezer, as it is brittle. From pollinator@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homeless Bees Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:31:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 67 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <516t0p$mda@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Note: This original and response is crossposted to the beekeeping newsgroup and the bee list. In article <511f85$5dk@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, kdmuelle@unity.ncsu.edu (Keith Downing Mueller) writes in rec.gardens: > >Just got power back after Fran. > >There are hundreds of trees in our surrounding woods which have been >downed. AS a result, there are now bees everywhere. If you need bees come >down here. > >Please bring ice and your own batteries >-- >Keith Mueller mule@ncsu.edu I hope you and yours are all well and safe. Unfortunately the hollow trees that feral honeybees prefer for their homes, are the first to go in this kind of storm It would be a very tall order to get the bees established into new homes and settled down for winter. Their disaster has already stressed them so much, then to lose their brood (or what brood couldn't be transferred) would just add to it. Right now any open hive has little chance, as bees are robbing out each other, and hornets and yellow jackets joining into the fray. They have little chance of survival. If there are hives that are not broken up, they may well survive and be okay, but then you will get a round of aerial mosquito spraying. After Hugo, the environmental "protectors" ignored the label directions and applied insecticide on many warm sunny afternoons when bees were foraging on goldenrod and asters. The field bees just dropped, and the clusters back at the hives became too small to survive the winter. Bumblebees and many solitary bees also dropped where they were working. If they do aerial spraying, I would do everything within my power to make them obey the law, as expressed in label directions. If the material is toxic to bees; it will forbid application while bees are foraging. Don't let them establish the times of application by guesswork, but by monitoring to establish when bees actually are foraging. There is no reason to compound the disaster by doing additional damage to pollinators. Fran will impact your pollination picture for years to come. This is an aspect of the disaster that is not often recognized. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html The opinions expressed here are not those of my boss. She doesn't pay much attention to my opinions either. From tovart@nisewest.nosc.mil Sat Sep 14 11:38:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!news!news From: Terry Tovar Subject: Used (or New) bees wanted! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3236D62B.7641@nisewest.nosc.mil> Sender: news@nosc.mil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:09:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 7 My parents are retired & bee-keeper hobbyest that just recently lost their hive to wax-moths & are desiring to acquire a replacement hive. The problem is that we don't know where to purchase a viable hive. Their last hive was one my father collected as a free swarm decades ago. They reside in Costa Mesa, Orange County, California 92626. Any reasonably priced (or referral to a free swarm, maybe) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping ordinances Date: 11 Sep 1996 19:06:21 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5172jd$94i@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <09-10-1996.0@hemi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Maxine Davi (monarch@hemi.com) wrote: : Hi: : I'm doing some research for a friend of mine. She is preparing to appear : before the Denver (CO) City Council to request that they establish a : beekeeping ordinance. She is trying to obtain ordinances from other : cities and countries to help her in her efforts. : If anyone has a copy of an ordinance or knows where I could obtain one, : would you be so kind as to either e-mail me at monarch@hemi.com or : send me a copy of the ordinance? : I (we) would greatly appreciate any help you can provide. Quite a while ago, someone in the group referred to a text on this subject. I think it was titled: "Beekeeping and the Law." Maybe they can re-post this, or confirm/deny this title... Dave T. From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Sep 14 11:38:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!news.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/staining hives. Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 07:11:24 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 6 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu Cuprinol is great - protects the wood well, won't bother the bees, and is easy to apply. Paint is typically a problem as it blisters and peels. You put it on and it comes off in spots eventually. The stain/preservative gets right into the wood and you can still see the grain so it's attractive, too. Re-application is much easier and faster than paint. IMO From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INSIDE A BEEHIVE Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091117005027@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 63 BOOK REVIEW and a GOOD Deal follows! __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | | / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \ | | \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ | | / \___/ \___/ \ | | \___/ \ _ / The MAGIC SCHOOL BUS \___/ | | / \ /O O \ _ / \ | | \___/ \~~~ / // \ INSIDE A BEEHIVE \___/ | | / \ /--\// )) / \ | | \___/()==/()== \__./ by Joanna Cole \___/ | | / \()=( ()= ) Illustrated by Bruce Degen / \ | | \___/ \____/ \___/ | | / \ |||| "A MUST BUY BEE BOOK" says / \ | | \___/ (/ \) the OLD Drone \___/ | | / \___ 1st edition Sept 1996 __/ \ | | \___/ \___ ___ ___ ___ ___/ \___/ | | / \___/ \___/ \__ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \ | | \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ | :____________________________________________________________: \___________________________________________________________/ How do you review a book that you fall in love with at first blush? This has to bee the Best Children's bee book that I have ever had the pleasure to read. It has to bee OK for you adults as I enjoyed it. I am sure if it has a fault some will say it does not put the "fear" of the killer bees into our children but only explains what goes on inside a beehive and the bees cycle with the best cartoon style art and great text that I have ever seen. I enjoyed every page! This is a HONEY seller, but does not leave out POLLINATION and a "MUST BUY" for all interested in the bee industry at any level. INSIDE A BEEHIVE is part of the MAGIC SCHOOL BUS series of books and is tied into the PBS TV show of the same name. It retails in the US for $15.95. Because BARNEY Loves you all and so does the OLd Drone I can send you this book in the USA for $14.95 plus $1.50 postage, or for $20.00 you can have the book and the satisfaction of supporting the Wild Bee's BBS and a place of. Honor seen by all who log on to the bbs. Get one and I bet you will want one for each of your kids, or grand kids. Now is the time to put them away for Christmas. The book itself is hard bound with jacket and 48 pages and 100% illustrated from Scholastic Press, 555 Broadway, NY, NY-10012 ISBN 0-590-44684-3 $15.95 list priced. To order from Wild Bees post your order via US mail to: Inside a Beehive or via private e-mail to: 1522 Paradise Lane beebooks@beenet.com Los Banos, CA 93635 We can handle CC, checks, cash or whatever you have to trade. One week or faster delivery depending on supply. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:46 EDT 1996 Article: 5523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Resistant Bee Stock Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091107425121@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 92 Someone asked about resistant stock. I could not find any new information and would only recommend anyone buying such stock that has a problem keep close watch on their bees. Here is what I found >from something called TEKTRAN. ttul OLd Drone- 09/19/94 Agricultural Research Service Page 5 1 Technology Transfer Automated Retrieval System (ARS TEKTRAN) Title:THE BREEDING, IMPORTATION, TESTING AND GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF YUGOSLAVIAN HONEY BEES BRED FOR RESISTANCE TO VARROA JACOBSONI RINDERER THOMAS E BUCO STEVEN M DE GUZMAN LILIA I KULINCEVIC JOVAN M DELATTE GARY T BEAMAN LORRAINE D Technical Abstract: A stock of honey bees was bred in Yugoslavia for resistance to the parasitic mite, Varroa jacobsoni. This stock was imported by the USDA to the US and extensively tested in field trials in Florida. These tests showed that the stock has some degree of resistance to Varroa jacobsoni, a strong resistance to a second parasitic mite, Acarapis woodi, which is also a relatively new and economically troubling pest of honey bees in the US, and excellent general beekeeping characteristics. Submitted to: (approved 11/25/92) AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL THOMAS E RINDERER (504)766-6064 FTS 687-0277 1157 BEN HUR ROAD BATON ROUGE, LA 70820 FAX Number: 504-389-0383 BATON ROUGE LA 70803 -------------------------------2nd reference-------------------------- 09/19/94 Agricultural Research Service Page 3 2 Technology Transfer Automated Retrieval System (ARS TEKTRAN) Title:PRELIMINARY EVALUATION OF FOUR STOCKS OF APIS MELLIFERA ON THEIR TOLERANCE TO VARROA JACOBSONI OUD.(ACARI: VARROIDAE) DE GUZMAN LILIA I RINDERER THOMAS E DELATTE GARY T Technical Abstract: Four genotypes of honey bees were evaluated for potential tolerance to Varroa jacobsoni in northern Florida U.S.A. Levels of infestation of all four stocks were low throughout the experimental period. Louisiana, Yugoslavian, and Hastings genotypes had the highest proportion of infested cells while Yugoslavian times Hastings crosses maintained the lowest level of infestation. Brood and adult infestations increased in October as brood rearing declined. Highest infestations occurred in February, corresponding with the onset of brood rearing. Levels of Varroa jacobsoni infestation on adult bees had three peaks: during November when brood areas declined, in January when little or no brood was available and in April when the mite population was experimentally established. The lowest level of infestation was observed two months after mite inoculation and during March and April when brood rearing peaked. The number of mites per infested cell and level of infestation on adult bees were not influenced by bee geneotype. Mite load ranged from 4-4.8 motes per infested cell. Higher numbers of dead mites were recorded on Louisiana and Yugoslavian stocks and lower numbers of dead mites were counted on the Hybrid and Hastings genotypes. Significant differences in levels of brood infestations were observed among the genotypes studied. However, the ranking of genotype was influenced by site, indicating strong genotype by environmental interactions. Submitted to: (approved 08/17/92) PROCEEDINGS OF THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON ASIAN BEES AND BEE MITES THOMAS E RINDERER (504)766-6064 FTS 687-0277 1157 BEN HUR ROAD BATON ROUGE, LA 70820 FAX Number: 504-389-0383 BATON ROUGE LA 70803 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? From meaderyman@delphi.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maxant 30 frame Parallel extractor for sale Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 21:04:00 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com this thirty frame cabinet extractor takes up much less room than a circular radial - It can be quickly set for different speeds and different times. It exerts pressure on the frames so evenly that you can even extract a frame without a top bar. It is the cadillac of extractors for a sideline. I believe it retails for around $2700. We will sell for $1500. Reason for selling - We have gone to a Cowen automatic system. This is an ideal extractor for anyone having from 50 to 300 hives. Located in New York - Call 518-692-9669 if interested. Bob Stevnes From skyscape @mail.mts.net Sat Sep 14 11:38:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.netone.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!worldlinx.com!top.mts.net!usenet From: Skyscape Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized Bees Varroa Resistant? Date: 11 Sep 1996 05:00:55 GMT Organization: MTS Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <515h27$2036@top.MTS.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wnklas01-p06.mts.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22KIT (Windows; I; 16bit) I was curious to know if Africanized Bees are Varroa resistant? Perhaps there is a way to control the mite through genetics if this was the case. Ray Kozak Kozy's Apiaries From pollinator@aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drawing Foundation Second Hive Body Date: 12 Sep 1996 04:44:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 46 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <518igg$fer@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <50l7io$a69@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <50l7io$a69@nw101.infi.net>, jprice@roanoke.infi.net (Jack Price) writes: >I recently placed a second hive body with foundation on my congested >hive with sugar syrup and pollen substitute. I examined the hive two >weeks later and was surprised to find no comb building. The brood nest >shows a strong pattern with solid honey and pollen stores with no >evidence of disease. The second body was placed in mid-august with fair >weather, temperatures in the 80-90 range and abundant late summer bloom >in area. Why no building activity and should I remove the second hive >body before winter? Hives are located in the southwest Piedmont region >of Virginia. Thanks! If you placed ten frames of foundation in the hive body, they often do not even start on in, with the possible exception of a good strong spring flow. I have even seen bees in the spring swarm rather than starting a whole box of foundation. To bait the bees into it, put at least a frame of comb or honey into the box. When I draw foundation, I usually make up the boxes with frames of rather poor comb in the two outside (wall) positions, and one to three very good frames in the central part. I try to chose newly made ones with fairly light wax for these center positions, and often alternate frames of comb and foundation. If there is a little honey, nectar, or just being wet from extraction, they will jump on it quicker. Once they are on a comb, they will draw foundation on an adjacent frame much better. Alternatively, you can put up frames of brood to pull them up into the box, assuming the boxes are the same size. But be careful now, as colder weather gets nearer, not to divide the brood too much, if a cold night is forecast. The bees may not be able to cover both places, and some brood may be abandoned. If they do not fill the second body, yes, do remove it before winter. It will be empty space that they will have to heat, and they may also chew up and damage the foundation that is not yet drawn. Never leave empty boxes over bees during cold weather. Their survival chances will be seriously reduced. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From gerwin@phoenix.net Sat Sep 14 11:38:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.sesqui.net!uhura.phoenix.net!usenet From: Glenn Erwin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Method of Wax Rendering Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 09:27:58 -0700 Organization: Phoenix Data Net (713) 486-8337 http://www.phoenix.net Lines: 18 Message-ID: <32383A0E.778@phoenix.net> References: <512i99$43k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial40.galv.phoenix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) GaretL wrote: > > To all: > I have a surplus of old frames in bad condition that I would like to > render into wax. A solar melter won't work for this project because of > the number of frames involved and the fact that I have the most time to > work when it is cold and rainy. What is the best method for rendering > using my kitchen stove or other household device? Any help would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Garet Livermore > Burlington, VermontAn old refrigrator equiped with two 75 watt light bulbs will work quiet well. If you want to get fancy you can add a thermostat and use heat lamps and really spead up the process.The trays serve to hold the frames and a funnel is easily made to direct the melted wax to a plastic dishpan to collect the melted wax. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils update Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 03:40:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091207094928@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 566 *FYI* FROM THE BEE-LIST GROUP. From: "Steven A. Creasy" Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:49:14 PST Subject: Essential Oils update I received the following from Mr. Amerine at U of WV. I hope it will be of interest... Forwarded message follows:: > Dear Steve, There is practically no difference between natural and synthetic wintergreen. The natural oil is 99% the same as the synthetic. We have tried both, and both are equally effective; other beekeepers have corroborated this. I am attaching a file that is the basis of our web page. I hope it is useful to you. File: Preliminary Results of Research Varroa Mite Control, 1996 http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm (Update: September 10, 1996). We are going to update this web page about monthly as we learn more from our experiments and as we receive results from other beekeepers. This page is designed for beekeepers; for those needing help with terminology, please see Graham, J. 1992. The Hive and the Honey Bee, Dadant & Sons, Hamilton IL, 1324 pp. Eradication possible? We believe that during the late fall and early winter the varroa mite is very susceptible to control by essential oils. By treating hives with the grease patties containing wintergreen, tea tree or patchouli oils, and making sure the treatment is near the cluster, then the varroa mites will have no place to hide and all can be killed. (No brood cells will be available as shelters.) Because most of the country has lost feral colonies, and only careful beekeepers now have bees, a concerted effort by all beekeepers at this time may achieve eradication of the varroa mite. We are not as sure about tracheal mite--(there are so few around this area that we can not find a sufficient infestation to test), but it, too, may be susceptible to winter treatment with grease patties. Perhaps adding menthol to the grease patties may be lethal to them as well. This critical opportunity in beekeeping may not come around again for some time to come: our scenario is that with the feral colonies gone, many new colonies will be established in the next few years which will have light infestations of mites; swarms will issue from these and begin to reestablish a feral population--containing at first a few varroa mites. In a few seasons these will increase and another epidemic of fatal varroa mite + PMS will occur. As the new feral colonies increase, it will become impossible to find them and to eradicate their varroa mites. That is why now is such a special opportunity. Summary of Treatments: We have refined our experimental treatments as follows: 1). Syrup: 25 drops (1 cc) of wintergreen or spearmint added to two cups (about one pound or 453.6 grams) of sugar in a quart jar (0.95 liter); hot water added to fill jar. Be sure to add the oil to the granulated sugar then add the very warm water (not too hot or else the oils will evaporate). Feed the bees as much syrup as they will take. We have had good results with wintergreen, spearmint, and peppermint oils. 2). Grease patties: are made with four cups of granulated sugar, two cups of shortening and one of the following: 21 cc of wintergreen oil or 21 cc of patchouli oil or 21 cc or tea tree oil or 11.5 cc of each of two oils (eg., wintergreen + patchouli). (This rate is 1/4 oz. of essential oils per pound of sugar and grease). The components are thoroughly mixed (wear gloves or use a large spoon, as wintergreen oil in such concentrations may be toxic; patchouli oil is not toxic). The mixture is then made up into 4 ounce patties (like a small, 3.5" hamburger) which are divided and placed on top of each brood box (about one half pound or 8 ozs. of grease patties per hive; one batch treats 5.8 hives). We plan to make patties this fall that also contain terramycin (TM25) to determine whether medications can be combined for both mites and foul brood. 3). Tracking strips: are made by cutting sheets or pieces of 1/8 in. plexiglass into strips 3" wide by 14" long (7.5 cm by 35.5 cm ), and used as a base for holding a treated slurry containing essential oil. The slurry is made as follows: 17.5 ozs. (2 and 1/5 cups) of canola oil are mixed with 6.5 ozs. (slightly more than 4/5 cup) of melted beeswax, stirred and set on a hot plate. To this liquid add 24 cc's of wintergreen oil (or 24 cc's of patchouli oil or 12 cc's of each ). Stir well and pour into three 8 oz. plastic cups. When cooled, the slurry has a shoe-polish or salve-like consistency. Then, 2 to 3 teaspoons of the slurry are applied to the tracking strip which is placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance of each colony. The bees must track through this slurry when they enter or exit the hive; they then clean off the slurry by eating it and feeding it to each other. Treatments are repeated after 5 days: the old slurry, dead mites and dead, deformed bees are scraped off and new slurry added. Plexiglass is used for tracking strips because it has a very smooth finish allowing an even coverage and it is too hard for the bees to chew up or remove; masonite or other similar material could be used just as well. 4). Paper inserts at top of hive: For control of varroa mite on displaced nurse bees (see below). Use 2 cups of canola oil containing 11 cc's of wintergreen; put some in a honey bear (as a squeeze bottle) and apply 6 lines of wintergreen oil in both directions on a paper towel so that the towel is saturated. The bees chew it up and remove it in a week or so. You should replace it as needed to treat the varroa mites trying to avoid the other treatments. Varroa Mite Assessment: You can place a sticky board on the bottom of the hive in combination with both patties and a tracking strip to obtain a good count of varroa mites within 24 to 48 hours: in our tests the essential oils killed more mites than Apistan. We use the essential oils throughout the year, either feeding syrup (when nectar is not coming in), using patties (pretty much year around, but bees do not use the patties as much during honey flows), and using the tracking strips, which are especially useful during the honey flows. We have found in recent months: When nectar flows are coming in, the bees tend to ignore the syrup and the grease patties and the number of reproducing mites increase; that is why Bob developed the tracking strip, to insure that varroa mites are treated. When tracking strips are used, the varroa mites will enter cells being capped in order to escape the essential oils; drone cells are preferred. Grease patties containing spearmint oil were propolized, but not those patties made with wintergreen, tea tree or patchouli oils. We recently found that the varroa mites were able to escape treatment despite using both tracking strips and grease patties (or tracking strips and syrup). We found that displaced nurse bees which gather under the inner cover were used as a hiding place by the mites. We treated this group of mites by putting a piece of paper towel treated with canola oil + wintergreen just under the inner cover. We used 2 cups of canola oil containing 11 cc's of wintergreen; put some in a honey bear (as a squeeze bottle) and applied 6 lines of wintergreen oil in both directions on the towel so that the towel was saturated. The bees chewed it up and removed it in a week or so. You should replace it as needed to treat the varroa mites trying to avoid the other treatments. Queens: A potential problem may be that queens on mating flights may have their pheromone masked or may become somewhat disoriented by the essential oils. We recommend that the treatments be removed from the hives when queen rearing and mating is taking place. Drones: We found that large numbers of drone cells provide protection to the varroa mites and are definitely the source of most breeding varroa mites. Consequently, we recommend that the amount of available drone cells be kept to a mininmum; be sure to remove and replace old comb containing lots of irregular drone cells. (See the literature for techniques using periodic drone removal to reduce varroa mites). Large colonies: When hives have many supers, the treatment for the varroa mites is "diluted". So, remove and extract honey supers and reduce the hives to two chambers or to one and a half chambers as soon as possible; in this way, the treatment will be more effective. Note about tracheal mite: We checked Bob's colonies for tracheal mite by collecting older foragers: those that have frayed wings and a bald thorax. We removed their heads and first pair of legs and examined the tracheae visible inside the cavity where the legs were (peel off the "collar" with forceps); infested tracheae could be seen with a hand lens and were dark spotted or uniformly dark. Results: in control colonies (no treatments) 30% had tracheal mites; in treated colonies, 10% had tracheal mites. Since bees are able to drift considerable distances, we suspect that some of those in our treated colonies may have come in from other, declining feral colonies in the neighborhood (a few feral colonies still remain near Cumberland, but these should be gone soon). The older bees give a more reliable test for the presence and extent of infestation by tracheal mite. Original page (Prepared July 1996, published in the Amer. Bee Journal, September, 1996.): In our opinion, Bob Noel, Beekeeper in Cumberland Maryland, has discovered an effective and economical control for varroa mite (Varroa jacobsoni Oudemans (Acari: Varroidae)) and probably also for tracheal mite (Acarapis woodi (Rennie) (Acari: Tarsonemidae)). The following is a brief account of our work and preliminary findings during the past 14 months. In summer and fall of 1995, Bob fed syrups containing essential oils1 to his bees, specifically wintergreen oil and spearmint oil. He added 10 to 20 drops (1/2 to 1 cc, respectively) of the oils to 453.6 grams (one pound) of sugar in a 0.95 liter (1 quart) jar, and hot water was added to fill the jar. This syrup was then fed to the bees at the entrance using a standard boardman feeder. He applied the two syrups to 14 hives as follows: spearmint oil to 5 colonies and wintergreen to 9 colonies beginning in July and continuing until October. In July, 1995, many of his colonies were heavily infested with varroa mite displayed typical PMS (parasitic mite syndrome): they were suffering from mite viruses, such as ABPV, CBPV, Kashmir Virus and from sacbrood which was quite heavy, and the brood pattern was scattered and incomplete, very similar to American foul brood (AFB) (however, none of the colonies had AFB). Many of the emerging workers were small with shriveled wings and very small abdomens. Two of the colonies were so weak in July that wax moths were attacking comb and brood. Syrups were given ad lib and topped up daily. Bob assayed varroa mite populations by opening sealed brood cells, both drone and worker, by observing emerging brood and by directly observing varroa mite behavior. Results: after using treated syrups for three weeks, Bob noticed improved brood patterns, healthier bees, and reduced mite populations. After 30 days of treatment (we inspected the colonies in August, 1995) varroa mites were definitely in decline and the bees were considerably recovered from PMS. We observed numerous varroa mites and PMS in control (untreated) colonies. On 21 September, we thoroughly inspected several hives; those that were treated with syrups were virtually free of varroa mite, whereas untreated control colonies in the area were heavily attacked by varroa mite, had typical PMS, and were beginning to die off. In November 1995, Bob found that two of his bee yards (Oldtown, MD and Kifer, MD) which were free of varroa mites in July and August, were heavily infested with varroa mites (2-3 mites per adult bee). We believe that workers from collapsing feral colonies had joined with these colonies bringing in enormous numbers of varroa mites. Bob treated some colonies with apistan strips and grease patties (without essential oils) and others with grease patties containing the following: four cups of granulated sugar, two cups of shortening and 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil. This mixture was made into 8 oz patties and placed one per colony above the cluster. The following spring and early summer only a trace of varroa mite could be found in the hives treated with the grease patties containing wintergreen oil; several of the colonies treated only with apistan and standard grease patties died out. In May 1996, Bob devised the tracking strip method of varroa mite control: strips of 1/8 in. plexiglass, 7.5 cm by 35.5 cm (3" by 14"), were used as a support for a slurry made as follows: 4 parts mineral oil mixed with 1.5 parts melted beeswax; this liquid was then poured into 4 oz. baby food jars to which 2 cc's of patchouli oil and 2 cc's of wintergreen oil were added. Then =BD to 3 teaspoons of the slurry were applied to the each tracking strip with fingers, which were placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance of each colony. He began these treatments early in May. The day after strips were applied, dead varroa mites were found on the tracking strips--several dead mites per colony. Bob's associate, Harry Mallow (a beekeeper for 30 years, former Maryland bee inspector, and former president of the Maryland State Beekeepers Association) treated one hive (his last surviving colony at beeyard No. 2) with the tracking strip on 31 May, 1996 (double the dose of patchouli and wintergreen oils; i.e., 4 cc of each oil in 4 ozs. of the slurry). On June 1st, both Harry and Bob observed several 100's of dead varroa mites at the entrance, on and around the strip. They returned on June 2nd to videotape the dead mites--most had been carried off by ants, but several dozen dead mites still remained at the entrance. Amrine inspected this colony on 6 June, 1996, and found very few live varroa mites on workers in the hive (two were seen on 1000's of bees examined). About 100 sealed drone cells were examined; several recently capped drone cells contained 18 to 25 highly aggitated varroa mites--they ran around the larva or pupa very rapidly and ran quickly onto and over the combs. It appears that at the time of treatment they entered nearly capped drone cells as if they were "bomb shelters" to avoid the tracking material. The older capped drone cells (with colored pupae and capped before the treatment) contained normal numbers of normally developing varroa mites. On June 6, 1996, Amrine inspected 12 of Bob Noel's colonies, in three bee yards, and collected all varroa mites that could be found. About 100 sealed drone cells and several worker cells were opened in each colony. Four sealed drone cells were found infested with varroa at his "Rick's" bee yard in Cumberland, MD: two in colony number 4, treated with a tracking strip containing the mineral oil-beeswax slurry and 4 cc of patchouli oil in a baby food jar (4 oz); and one each in colonies 2 and 3 which were treated with the same slurry containing 2 cc of wintergreen oil and 2 cc of patchouli oil (in 4 oz.). Varroa mites were not found in hive number 1 (same treatment as hives 2 and 3). We regard these numbers as a trace infestation of varroa mites. (The same colonies were inspected by Maryland bee inspector Dave Thomas, who reported no live varroa mites on 18 May, 1996). No deformed bees were found; there were 12 to 14 frames of brood in each colony which were the best looking colonies we have seen in the last three years. Inspection of the Kifer, MD bee yard resulted in finding only two sealed drone cells with varroa mites (one each) out of 100 drone cells examined (hive number 3). This hive had been treated only with grease patty + wintergreen oil in November 1995, and a tracking strip (slurry made from 4 parts canola oil + 1.5 parts melted beeswax and 2 cc of patchouli oil) was added 30 May 1996. The colonies had two or three mites per adult bee in November, 1995. Inspection of the Oldtown, MD, bee yard resulted in finding 3 sealed drone cells containing varroa mites out of 100 cells examined in each of two colonies. These had been treated with grease patties containing wintergreen oil in November 1995, and had received no other treatment. In November, the colonies had two or three varroa mites per adult bee. Conclusions: Bob Noel's experiments from July 1995 to the present have demonstrated that essential oils in sugar syrup, grease patties and tracking strips are able to greatly reduce populations of varroa mites in bee colonies. 1) Spearmint oil at the rate of BD to 1 cc per quart of syrup (1# of sugar) had the best results when fed in July through October; wintergreen oil was less effective, but still highly effective, in these experiments. 2) Grease patties containing 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil were very effective from November until April in reducing and nearly eliminating varroa mites in heavily infested colonies treated in November. 3) Tracking strips containing 2cc of patchouli oil and 2 cc of wintergreen oil (or 4 cc of patchouli oil) are very effective in controlling varroa mites during spring build up. 4) In all cases of successful treatments, the essential oils were delivered to the brood nest of the treated colonies. The importance of this last observation can not be overemphasized. Two experiments of ours support the importance of this point. First, Harry Mallow began sugar syrup treatment of 16 colonies at his bee yard No. 1 in September, 1995. He treated 8 colonies with syrup and essential oils only (4 with 15 drops of wintergreen oil per pound of sugar, and 4 with 15 drops of spearmint oil); the cans were placed at the top of the colonies (in contrast to boardman feeders placed at the entrance by Bob Noel). [Nurse bees and foragers collect nectar from a boardman feeder and the syrup and essential oils go to the brood; feeders at the top of a hive do not usually deliver syrups or food directly to the brood nest.] Four more of his colonies were given wintergreen syrup + apistan strips and the last four colonies were given untreated syrup as controls. Only the four colonies with wintergreen syrup + apistan survived. These colonies were treated too late and the syrup was fed in the wrong location: at the top of the colony instead of the entrance. Second, Harry also treated one colony located in his beeyard No. 3 in April of 1996 with canola oil + wintergreen oil (4 cc of wintergreen in 4 ozs. of canola); a folded paper towel with canola + wintergreen was laid on a queen excluder above the cluster. He got a good kill of varroa mites (many were found dead on the bottom board). He continued this treatment for several weeks. We inspected the colony on 6 June, 1996: a paper towel with canola oil was on top of a queen excluder at the top of the colony (1 and =BD= story); it had not been touched by the bees (in contrast, the original paper towel was shredded by the bees in April). [After April, the bees have little reason to go to the upper part of the hive and will not be affected by treatments placed there.] About 100 sealed brood cells (mostly drone) were examined in this colony; about 1/4 of the drone cells contained normally developing varroa mites. Obviously, this treatment, though effective in April when the cluster was near the top of the upper super, was no longer working. Thus the presence of the essential oils in the top of the hive was insufficient to cause reduction of varroa mite. This probably explains some of the negative reports we have read or heard from other researchers using essential oils--they apparently did not deliver the oils to the brood nest in a way that nurse bees and foraging bees would be treated; thus the tracking board at the entrance is highly effective, the syrup fed by boardman feeder is highly effective, and treated grease patties above the fall and winter cluster proved highly effective. The treatments must be delivered to the brood nest--in such a way that nurse bees and foraging bees are treated. Proposed mechanisms of action: Our observations of Bob Noel's experiments in 1995 and 1996 indicate the following mechanisms are probably at work in controlling varroa mites: 1) Direct toxicity: The grease patties and tracking strips indicate that the essential oils are able to kill varroa mites by direct contact, within 24 hours or less. Honey bees are not harmed by these oils at the rates used; honey has not been found to be contaminated by any of the treatments used to date (taste test). The evidence to date is strong enough to prove that this is definitely a mechanism of varroa mite control; however, no case has been observed where direct toxicity has totally elliminated the mites. For now, it can only be regarded as a partial control and effective only at time of treatment and for several days following. 2) Sensory disruption: it seems that the essential oils from grease patties and tracking strips are able to mask the normal chemosensory receptors on the tarsi and mouthparts of varroa mites, disrupting the mite's ability to function normally. As a result, they are not able to properly invade larval cells about to be capped, nor do they seem to be able to properly insert themselves under the sternites of worker bees and feed on bee hemolymph. They may not be able to recognize adults and mature larvae of honey bees because of the presence of the grease + oils on the mites' cuticle and sensory receptors. This mechanism is hypothetical and is supported indirectly by observations of behavior of varroa mites in treated colonies by Bob Noel, Harry Mallow and us. 3) Reproductive disruption: it is apparent that varroa mites in all three methods of treatments are not able to reproduce normally. Examination of cells at or near the time of emergence of bees and mites >from mite-infested cells in treated colonies show that few newly developed females are found; many cells have been found containing dead immature mites and single females that never reproduced (so-called nonreproducing or sterile females). We conclude that the essential oils are able to disrupt the reproductive mechanism of the varroa mite.=20 It is known that under natural, untreated conditions, the female varroa mite, after feeding on a larva in a sealed cell for 1-2 days, normally becomes "gravid"--she appears swollen and the cuticular membrane between the sternal and genital plates becomes stretched and evident as white borders around the plates. The so-called "eggs" deposited by the female are in reality immature mites that are ready to emerge as protonymphs, the embryonic and larval stages having been completed within the chorion inside the body of the female. Thus, the female is converting the blood of the bee larva and/or pupa into nutrients for each developing immature mite. This part of the varroa's development is viewed by us as its weakest point, the so-called "Achilles' Heel" of the varroa mite, and appears to be the major target of action of the essential oils. The oils may be disrupting enzyme systems used to convert bee blood nutrients into nutrients for the developing immature mites and so the females are not able to produce "eggs". Also, after hatching, very few of the mites in treated colonies were able to complete development by the time the bee emerged from the cell. These mechanisms help explain observations given to us by several beekeepers where honey bee colonies were located in regions with blooming plants rich with essential oils, such as mints, melaleucas, eucalypts, etc., and which were often found to be free of, or not harmed by, varroa mites. We presume that the bees foraged on flowers of the plants, or on the resins of the plants for propolis, and returned to their colonies with these nectars or resins containing essential oils. Appartently, enough of the essential oils reached the brood cells so that the development of the varroa mites was disrupted in the colonies. This probably explains the failure of varroa mites to develop in many tropical regions, such as Brazil: the large variety of native flora apparently produce essential oils in nectar, pollen or propolis to the extent that normal reproduction of the mites is impaired. We believe that these essential oils, which were originally produced by the host plants in order to kill, repel or prevent arthropod attack, are a very natural means of mite control. Honey bees are not affected by the essential oils, especially those from Lamiaceae (the mint family), because of concurrent evolution of the bees with these flowering plants and their essential oils; the bees long ago developed techniques to avoid, or counteract, the toxicity of the essential oils. However, the varroa mites, which were originally on Apis cerana in South and East Asia, apparently are susceptible to the essential oils. An important question is whether varroa mites will be able to evolve resistance to the essential oils; only time will tell. However, there are so many essential oils available, that if resistance to one appears, another oil may be substituted; the only real fear is whether varroa mite may eventually develop resistance to the entire class of essential oils. Our future research will be directed toward 1) finding an essential oil treatment that will totally erradicate varroa mites from hives; 2) providing evidence to elucidate and document the mechanism(s) by which varroa mites are controlled by essential oils; 3) testing the oils at increased levels to determine toxicity levels to honey bees; 4) testing honey and beeswax harvested from treated hives for the presence of residues of essential oils. We encourage other beekeepers to conduct research similar to ours in order to help find a way to eliminate bee mites. Please let us know if you have had similar results. Our interests in this project are strictly non-profit and for the benefit of the honey bee industry and beekeeping in general. Respectfully submitted, James W. Amrine, Jr., Terry A. Stasny, and Robert Skidmore West Virginia University We can be reached at the following mailing addresses: Robert C. Noel, Teacher, Fort Hill High School Computer Science and School Coordinator 108 Blackiston Ave. Cumberland, MD 21502 Telephone: 301-724-3529 Harry A. Mallow, Former Regional Bee Inspector, Allegheny & Garrett Cos. Md. Dept of Agric. (under John Lindner) 11914 Valley Rd. NE Cumberland, MD 21502=20 Telephone: 301-724-2191 James W. Amrine, Jr.2 (Professor), Terry A. Stasny 2 (Research Acarologist) and Robert Skidmore (Apiculture graduate student) Division of Plant and Soil Sciences, P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26505-6108 Telephone: 304-293-6023; E-mail: jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu 1 For a source of essential oils, we recommend Lorann Oils, 4518 Aurelius Road, P. O. Box 22009, Lansing, MI 48909-2009. Toll free number is 1-800-248-1302. Fax number is 517-882-0507. Lorann Oils will send catalogs to callers and will sell essential oils at wholesale prices to beekeepers (callers must identifiy themselves as beekeepers) in quantities from 1 oz. to 1 gallon. Beekeepers needing larger quantities should call for special pricing. 2 Amrine has been teaching beekeeping at WVU since 1978, is past president of the Eastern Apiculture Society (1982) and is current president of the Morgantown Area Beekeepers Association; Stasny is founder of the Morgantown Area Beekeepers Association (1977), and has been a beekeeper for 30 years; Skidmore was a bee inspector for the Pennsylvania Dept. of Agriculture, Erie, Pennsylvania area in 1995. Standard Equivalents and Measures: 1 pound = 453.597 grams = .453 Kg 1 Kg = 2.2046 pounds 1 fluid ounce = 29.57373 cc 1/4 oz = 7.3934 cc 1 cc = 0.0338 oz. = 25 drops from a standard medicine dropper 10 cc = .338 oz or about 1/3 ounce or two teaspoonfuls 1 fluid dram = 3.6967 cc=20 0.125 ounces 1/8 oz. .75 tsp. 1 teaspoonful = 1.33333 fluid drams = 4.93 cc, or = approximately 5 cc = 1/6 oz. 1/2 tsp. = 2.465 cc Or = approx. 2.5 cc 1/4 tsp. = 1.2325 cc 1/8 tsp = 0.62 cc 1 tablespoonful = 3 teaspoonfuls, = 4 drams = 14.7868 cc or = approximately 15 cc = 1/2 oz. 1 cup = 8 ounces or = pound = 236.58984 cc 1/4 cup = 4 ounces = 118.29492 cc 1/3 cup = 2.666667 ozs = 78.86328 cc 1/4 cup = 2 ounces = 59.14746 cc 1/8 cup = 1 ounce=20 = 29.57373 cc = 8 drams = 6 tsp. or 2 tablespoonfulls 1 common ounce dry weight (avdp) = 28.34952 grams 1 cup sugar = 218.3 grams (by experiment) = 7.7 oz. Avdp. 1 cup crisco = 217.36 grams (by experiment) = 7.66 oz. Avdp. Example, making grease patties: A standard container of crisco weighs 3 lbs. To this add 6 lbs of sugar, for a total of 9 lbs. Nine lbs of grease patties requires 1/4 oz. per pound = 9*.25= 2.25 ozs or 66.5 cc of wintergreen (a little more than 1/4 cup or= 1/4 cup + 1 and 1/2 tsp.) Sincerely, Jim Amrine Division of Plant & Soil Sciences P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26506-6108 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> Telephone: 304-293-6023 <> <> Fax: 304-293-2960 <> <> web: http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------END OF FILE------------------- From monarch@hemi.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:53 EDT 1996 Article: 5529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.hemi.com!hemi.com From: monarch@hemi.com (Maxine Davi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping ordinances Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 01:11:21 -0600 Organization: Hemisphere Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <09-12-1996.296@hemi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp8.hemi.com X-MKSIA-SN: Hemisphere233 I'm looking for examples of urban beekeeping ordinances. My friend (a beekeeper) is appearing before the Denver City Council to request that they establish a policy regarding beekeeping. She would like to be able to compare notes with other ordinances nationwide. If you know of where I could get a copy of an ordinance, please e-mail me at monarch@hemi.com. Any help you can provide would be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks! Micki From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Sat Sep 14 11:38:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!usenet From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid Date: 7 Sep 1996 14:10:17 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 9 Message-ID: <50rvo9$ljv@zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <9608281915312394@beenet.com> <5043r0$hid@hp.cuug.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin014.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) The correct way of diluting acids is to put the acid in the water and not the water in the acid. Why? If you put the water in the acid, the waterdrops react with the acid, this means they evaporate with a little exlosion and make the acid boiling and splashing around. That´s dangerous! Good luck Ulli From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update on Adam Books Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091217024431@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 26 *FYI* FROM THE BEE-LIST GROUP ---------------------------------------- From: "" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:48:35 -0400 Subject: Update on Adam Books Wicwas Press has the following availability on the Brother Adam books: BEEKEEPING AT BUCKFAST ABBEY, by Brother Adam, c. 1975 (4th ed. 1987) $16.95 plus $2.50 postage, surface, worldwide IN SEARCH OF THE BEST STRAINS OF BEES, by Brother Adam, c. 1986 $18.95 plus $2.50 postage, surface, worldwide FOR THE LOVE OF BEES: THE STORY OF BROTHER ADAM OF BUCKFAST ABBEY, by Lesley Bill, c. 1989 Out of print, I have one extra copy for $20.00 plus $2.50 postage. Wicwas Press PO Box 817 Cheshire CT 06410-0817 Phone and Fax 203 250 7575 Phone and leave credit card data on secure phone answer machine. I do not recommend use of the internet for cc information. Checks accepted by mail, of course. Larry Connor From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Sep 14 11:38:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brother Adam Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <9609071305539@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 95 *FYI* OB on Brother Adam. ---------------------------------------- From: Les Simms Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:57:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Brother Adam > >> National Public Radio carried a nice piece on their Morning Edition > >> program this morning about Brother Adam, including an interview with > >> Dr. Eva Crane. > > > > Is there a way to get a copy of this interview ? > > You can write morning@npr.org > > Also on the web check out > > http://brinkley.prognet.com/contentp/npr/me.html > > I think will have an online audio file of the program Sept 6th assuming > the segmant was today, Sept. 5th. Today it lists the Sept 4th segments. > Here is the transcripted text. National Public Radio, Morning Edition , Thursday 5th September 1996. >From England there is news that one of the world's great naturalists has died, a Benedictine monk known as Brother Adam. NPR's Alex Chadwick reports on the man who earned an international reputation for his skill as a beekeeper. Karl Kehrle was born 98 years ago, in a place that no longer exists really, the kingdom of Wuerttenberg. He was a sickly boy and at age eleven he was sent by his mother to the Buckfast Abbey in Southwest England, where he might regain his health. He stayed on through World War 1 and afterwards, the kingdom of Wuerttenberg dissolved into the German Wymar Republic, Karl Kehrle too ceased to exist as such. He joined the Benedictine Order as Brother Adam and was placed in charge of the abbey's apiary, its bee raising operation. "You see, you know how if somebody who is very good with plants, you say they've got green fingers (or green thumbs, I think you say)" Dr. Eva Crane who with Brother Adam helped to found the International Bee Research Association. "Well he was the same with bees, he could recognise what was good." In England, for bees, hardly anything was good at the time. A parasite had devastated the native population; there were practically no honeybees left. Brother Adam went to Turkey and found a good substitute strain which he brought back to England. The Buckfast Abbey is located at the edge of Dartmoor, a great expanse of brushland that's almost deserted. It's not very hospitable, Dr. Crane notes, but for a couple of weeks a year it is ideal bee country. "The queens and drones mate in the air, so you can't just put them together like cattle. You've got to have your mating apiary several miles from any other source of bees except the ones you want them to mate with." Gradually Brother Adam developed what became known as the "Buckfast Superbee", a sleek, three-quarter inch, winged, buzz-bomb in a handsome coat of dark-brown stripped with grey. Sweetly dispositioned, loyal and productive, they were a kind of "Labrador Retriever" of the bee world. "When you open a hive they'll stay on the comb and won't fly off and buzz around you and sting you. That is very important in beekeeping and he wanted them to produce a lot of honey." And they did produce a lot of honey and they were not much bothered by the parasite that had wiped out the other bees. The Buckfast Superbee was an apiary triumph. Brother Adam became the most famous bee-man in England and maybe the world, according to Dr. Eva Crane who herself went on the head the International Bee Research Association. "I was in Mexico in 1957, staying with some German beekeepers there, and someone said, "How many beekeepers do you have in England. I only know about Adam and Eve." You see, because I was Eve and he was Adam." Brother Adam, Benedictine monk and beekeeper extraordinaire died Sunday near the Buckfast Abbey in Southwest England. This is Alex Chadwick reporting. ________________________________________________ D R O M O R E & D I S T R I C T B E E K E E P E R S Estd. 1984 - World Cup Winners 1991-92 - Blue Ribbon Winners 1994 Affiliated to the UBKA * Incorporating "Dromore Buzzette" Chairman-Michael Young * Secretary-Bob Shaw * Treasurer-Les Simms E-Mail: * Telephone: +44(0)1846-683512 S-Mail: 9 Governors Ridge Park, Hillsborough, Co.Down, BT26 6LD, UK From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Sep 14 11:38:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!snunews.snu.ac.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead - Beginner Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 05:45:47 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <50sp16$i1r@library.airnews.net> References: <01bb9caa$af76ea40$643fdec2@tdale.tdaledemon.co.uk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal35-09.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 "Tim Dale" wrote: >I've spent hours searching for a 'How to make mead' tutorial. >but what I really need is a basic list of the equipment and >a step-by-step guide to making mead. Tim, Go to this web page. It gives a complete run down of the equipment and in fact walks you through your first batch. Also, I recommend that you visit your local homebrewers supply shop. While most don't know a great deal about mead, they do know the equipment and most of their beer and/or wine-making knowledge is transferrable into making mead. You can expect to spend between $75 and $100 for your initial setup. But that should be enough equipment to make lots of mead. The big problem is time.....mead takes a long, long time. At least one year and more like two (for 5 gallon carboys); the longer you can be patient, the better it will taste! Four and five years is not unheard of (I've never been THAT patient!). Good luck :-) http://www.oklahoma.net/~herron/barat/Mead1.html From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:39:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive bags Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:35:34 +0100 Organization: . Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1x9ZZDA2CQOyEwEF@adrem.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 I was wondering if anyone else has used the hive-bags that B.J. Sherriff are selling for transporting hives in the back of a car? If so, what experiences other people have had with them. I have just moved about a half-dozen hives (Langstroth and National) using them. At first, I tied the elasticated draw-string at the top (as shown in "The Beekeepers Quarterly", No. 46, page 8) but quickly realized that the bees could still get out. Then, I realized that it would be much better to pull the drawstring *UNDER* the hive rather than ontop of it. Even folding the material under the hive without pulling the drawstring tight was enough to make it bee-tight (the weight of the hive holding the bag in place). For anyone contemplating moving just a few hives in the back of a car, these definitely do seem like a good idea. I think that the trick is; (a) to ensure that the entrance is secured with a strip of foam rubber so that no bees can escape, and (b) secure the roof/travelling screen in place with a hive strap so that hive-parts do not slide around as you drive around corners. This may seem like a belt-and-braces approach to some of you, but it is far better than worrying about being stung whilst driving! Since I use 6" telescoping roofs on most of my hives, I was concerned that the fine net material might snag on any sharp metal edges but this does not seem to have been the case. -- Paul Walton Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Tel. +44 (0)1525 875570 From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Sat Sep 14 11:39:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.abs.net!news.bconnex.net!clicnet!news.clic.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equip & help wanted Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:56:44 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 I'm looking for good quality used extraction equipment in the Montreal-Ottawa (Canada) area. - uncapping knife (preferably electric, with controllable thermostat) - 2 frame stainless steel extractor (would also consider 4 frame either hand-crank or electric) If I don't find this equipment I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestion where I can take my loot to be extracted. What kind of arrangement is customary? Does the bee-keper usually keep a share of the honey in lieu for his or her services? From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Sat Sep 14 11:39:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.abs.net!news.bconnex.net!clicnet!news.clic.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there any bee hive/keeper tours? Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:04:33 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <32369B52.418B@idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 In article <32369B52.418B@idirect.com>, abeattie@idirect.com (me) wrote: > Would someone please e-mail me if they're familiar with any honey making > and bee keeping childrens' tours in Toronto, Canada or south central > Ontario. There's a rather large bee-keeping center near Mirabel, Quebec (45 mins. north-west of Montreal) called Inter-Miel. They have tours, displays, charts, graphs, viewable hives, they make and sell tons of bee products. I visited it last year. A little too commercial for my taste but very informative. From mariajhn@lex.infi.net Sat Sep 14 11:39:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: spiderlily Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey on hive over winter? Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:37:00 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <51d5oc$34e@nw101.infi.net> References: <50qcni$f5p@bashir.ici.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp14.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) > My question is how much honey >should I leave on the hives to get my bees through the winter? About sixty pounds. Agni Bhaktarama Carbonaria Honey Farm Madhya Pradesh, India From walter@walter.airtime.co.uk Sat Sep 14 11:39:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.airtime.co.uk!walter.airtime.co.uk!walter From: walter@walter.airtime.co.uk (walter Holmes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re glass inner covers Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 01:19:49 Organization: None Specified Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: walter.airtime.co.uk X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] There is one thing to watch with glass inner covers. I nearly lost my bees using them even though I had a vent in the middle, the reason excess condensation, in cold weather it collects on the glass and then drips down inside the hive, chilling the bees & turning every thing mouldy. I removed the glass & replaced it with a fine mesh screen you can still see the bees but no condensation. One other thing in realy cold weather the bees have to work harder to keep warm, because of the extra ventilation with mesh screens. I usually cover with a piece of felt in winter leaving a small vent in the middle. Walter From mariajhn@lex.infi.net Sat Sep 14 11:39:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: spiderlily Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Mead - Beginner Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:40:42 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <51d5va$f1s@nw101.infi.net> References: <01bb9caa$af76ea40$643fdec2@tdale.tdaledemon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp14.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) There is a recipe for mead at http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/drinks.html Agni Bhaktarama Carbonaria Honey Farm Madhya Pradesh, India From mariajhn@lex.infi.net Sat Sep 14 11:39:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: spiderlily Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I store comb honey in the freezer? Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:51:27 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <51d6jf$p3s@nw101.infi.net> References: <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp14.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) Why bother? It is a known fact that honey is the only food in the world that doesn't go bad. Archeologists have tasted literally ancient honey >from the tombs of the Pharohs in Egypt and found it to be in excellent condition. Agni Bhaktarama Carbonaria Honey Farm Madhya Pradesh, India From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.nap.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: melting wax Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091312353442@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <0dpw3tjmk1.fsf@acmey.gatech.edu> <50v2il$486@peru.earthlink.net> Lines: 83 J> I was curious about your statement about "melter" honey. I assume >by this you mean the sugar syrup left over after melting down comb...? >Why would that sugar syrup not be a good source of food for the >bees? Does the heating cause it to be inedible? I would think >heating would help eliminate the potential for spreading any >disease spores...what am I missing here? Hello Jeffrey, I am sure that if the melter could be operated at a very low temperature the problem could be minimized, but in all most all the common everyday situations I have seen the honey from these melters is damaged by over heating and caramelization and this honey will cause the bees gastrointestinal problems if they can not fly and even if they can fly it is not the best beekeeper supplied feed for bees. The fact is Honey, even heat damaged honey, is too valuable to feed bees. The honey should be sold, it has some value if it has not been damaged to much, and sugar syrup purchased if at all possible. In the old days we pressed the wax with big railroad jacks to remove 90% more or less of the honey and stored the wax cakes to be melted outside in the winter here which is cold and foggy enough to keep the bees in for weeks at a time. We then melted the wax cakes in hot water over a wood fired tank being careful not to boil the wax and water over. Of course we were not interested in saving the honey and it would caramelize and was a wonderful weed killer keeping the drain ditch next to the melter Johnson Grass clean for a hundred yards the next year. I just have to say something about one of the dangers of melting wax other then 99% of all old time beekeepers who made a business of melting other peoples wax end up burning down their honey houses one or more times. It is a fun thing to do, but it is something that has a built in danger. If wax is boiled it will increase in total volume and boil over and with the air added to the wax is very flammable and will cause a flash fire that can bee disastrous. That's why we did it outside in the open air a good distance from the honey house. There is also the danger of burns from getting the melted wax on the skin by accidents that do happen. I know no old beekeepers who has not mistaken the 5 gallon of liquid wax for the 5 gallon hand washing bucket and not dipped hands in only to realize a little late that thats not the thing to do. I guess the replacement of 5 gallon cans with drums and plastic buckets has limited this kind of activity to the good old days. The worst accident we had: Or the mouse gets revenge! These cakes of wax in storage would of course attract mice and I must admit we got some perverse pleasure out of once in awhile seeing them jump around in the slow boiling wax vat. I am from the old school that only buys mouse food that is guarantee to give them as much pain as possible because of the nasty damage they have done to my bee equipment if not controlled. We always had cats and dogs hanging around that liked to catch these mice and kill and eat them. One foggy morning when I was adding more cakes of wax to a tank half filled with melted wax and boiling water the cat could not stand it any longer and jumped into the tank after a mouse. I have never seen a cat walk on water but this blessed cat did just that and ran straight up the outside of the 12 foot smoke stack and took a flying leap to the ground never stopping to leave any tracks and made straight for the barn. We all though she had died a horrible death and she was not seen for a month or more. When she finely came out looking for food and comfort she had been able to remove most of the wax and her burns had healed up but she had little hair left. In time the cat did recover fully and nice white hair came back to replace the gray she once wore. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... A flash of dew, a bee or two, From ab341@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 15 11:01:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!freenet-news.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab341 From: ab341@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Nadia Diakun-Thibault) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's not a bee, but a wasp... Date: 13 Sep 1996 16:13:40 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 16 Sender: ab341@freenet3.carleton.ca (Nadia Diakun-Thibault) Message-ID: <51c17k$jlf@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Reply-To: ab341@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Nadia Diakun-Thibault) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.carleton.ca and we'd like them to begone. I have a wasp nest that seems to be buried in mud near out pond. It's existence was discovered when one of our guest's children walked over a little bridge, probably the vibration disturbed them and they went at him with a vengence.... he had at least 15 stings,, and they went after others as well. We manage to avert any further attacks and tend to the boys with stings. Now, how do I get rid of them? Will they become dormant in winter? Someone referred to them as mud wasps. -- Nadia Diakun-Thibault __o "To live is so startling ndt@freenet.carleton.ca '\<, it leaves little time Oxford Mills, Ontario (*)/'(*) for anything else." Canada ........................................ Emily Dickinson (1830-1866) From tpruss@erols.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news1.erols.com!as5s14.erols.com!user From: tpruss@erols.com (Tim) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Add your Beekeeping Web Site today! Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 16:49:40 -0500 Organization: AgView Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: as5s14.erols.com Don't miss the opportunity to add your agricultural based web pages on the fastest growing agricultural search engine on the Internet. http://www.agview.com From SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 15 11:01:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Sharon Litton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:57:53 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <323B1C51.DFF@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.dallas-2.tx.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; I) We have a bumblebee hive in/behind one of our compost pits in our back yard, within viewing distance of my dining room window, and fairly near my bird feeder. We are organic gardeners, and I have real problems with harming bees, especially. But LOTS of the bumbley bees attacked my spousal unit a few weeks ago, getting him several times on his head, when he dumped some grass on the next compost pile over, not realizing that they were there. Then, 2 weeks later, they attacked our Australian Shepherd, who had to be rushed to the vet - luckily, he has a very thick coat, and the worst bites were in his mouth and on his feet - they sure look sad when their hairs are totally wet. Anyway, I would really like them to move, but don't wish to harm them - for years, the bumble bees have pollinated our flowers, trees, and herbs in back and front yards, especially now that the honey bees seem to be at a very low population level. The main question I have, though, is an observation of their behavior, and was wondering if someone out there could help. The definitely have guards that patrol the perimeter of the area, but I also notice bees scratching around on the ground around the perimeter of the compost pit/beehive. What are they doing?? Are they keeping it neat and tidy, keeping clear of obstructions, or something that I am missing? I suppose they will go away if we have a really hard freeze this winter?? When do they start dying back? When would it be safe to work around our compost pit again?? Thanks in advance for any help, input, and education you can impart! Sharon in Dallas, TX From jerrya@borg.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:18 EDT 1996 Article: 5545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns2.borg.com!usenet From: JerryA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Trachea Mite Control Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 18:54:12 -0400 Organization: Borg Lines: 6 Message-ID: <323B3794.202@borg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: l9.borg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) Can someone suggest method of controling Trachia mite this winter? I lost my hive last year to them and I only have one left and would like to make sure it gets through this winter. Jerry in NY From pollinator@aol.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news1.best.com!noos.hooked.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equip & help wanted Date: 14 Sep 1996 19:29:53 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 57 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51ff5h$t2e@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article , fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) writes: >I'm looking for good quality used extraction equipment in the >Montreal-Ottawa (Canada) area. - uncapping knife (preferably electric, with controllable thermostat) - 2 frame stainless steel extractor (would also consider 4 frame either hand-crank or electric) >If I don't find this equipment I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestion >where I can take my loot to be extracted. What kind of arrangement is >customary? Does the bee-keper usually keep a share of the honey in lieu >for his or her services? There was an extractor advertised on this list just a couple weeks ago in Central NY. Run a search in DejaNews for it, and possibly others. Many commercial beekeepers do custom extraction. Arrangements vary, but it will probably cost 8-12 cents per lb (US). Whether paid in honey/cappings is negotiable. If I were just getting started, I'd wait and go the custom extraction route for awhile, to learn the ropes. You can spend a lot of money setting up, where it will take a couple days of hand spinning. You could take it to someone who has the equipment, and have it done in a couple hours. The biggest problem with a commercial setup is to clear the lines, to run a small batch through the filtration system. When we do custom extraction, we usually just pack in pails directly from the uncapper/extractor. After a couple days the cappings will be on top of the pails where it can be skimmed. It can then be run through a new pair of panty hose, if more filtration is desired. If we filter with our system, it usually means another trip back, but the hobbyist can then bottle directly from the filter tank, if he/she wants. Another route is to check with your local club. Many clubs have a small extractor, and uncapping knife, which the members all can use. You can buy pails cheap from anywhere they sell filled donuts, as the fillings normally are provided in pails. WARNING: Extraction in the kitchen has been known to cause divorce. Beekeepers' version of Murphey's Law: " Any drip is enough to coat the entire kitchen." Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there any bee hive/keeper tours? Date: 14 Sep 1996 19:34:41 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51ffeh$t77@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <32369B52.418B@idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <32369B52.418B@idirect.com>, abeattie@idirect.com (me) writes: >Would someone please e-mail me if they're familiar with any honey making >and bee keeping childrens' tours in Toronto, Canada or south central >Ontario. The Toronto Museum & Science Center used to have a nice observation hive set up. You might check that out. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aug Honey Market Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091417074650@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 53 Some August 1996 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for NEW CROP Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some US HONEY Prices for August 1996 | | | | Calif. Orange 89 ex lt amber | | Sage 89 white | | Alfalfa 82-86 ex lt amber | | Alfalfa-Cotton 85-87 1/2 white | | Safflower 60 light amber | | | | Colorado Clover 90 white | | | | Idaho Clover 85 white | | | | LOU Chinese Tallow 80 light amber | | Montana Clover 88 1/2-98 white | | DAKOTA CLover 88-1.00 white | | | | Canadian Clover 94-95 white | | Argentina East Coast del dock duty paid | | Mixed Flowers 86 1/2-91 ex lt amber | | ex lt amber | | CHINA East Coast | | Mixed Flowers 90 white | | China Gulf Coast 87 light amber | |____________________________________________________________| \ The US NEW CROP moved to cash markets at slightly higher / \ prices. RAINS, Lot'a rain affects Mexican crop outlook? / \-------------------------------------------------------/ Cash honey buyers continue active search for new crop US honey. Prices continue to advance as total crop is thought light. Total volumes sold may set new price records for US crop as prices continue upwards with good volumes moving to market at $.80 and higher. Bad weather wet&dry has taken a unknown number of hives out of production. Western retail market is active for Hispanic labeled products as honey marketing adjusts to a fast changing population demographics and consumer demands. The time is close that honey produced and imported from SA in total will only equal the amounts consumed by the large Hispanic market in the US. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" From jac@silvercity.mv.com Sun Sep 15 11:01:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.lightlink.com!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Can I store comb honey in the freezer? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:54:09 GMT References: <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com> <51d6jf$p3s@nw101.infi.net> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Yeah, but the wax moths may get to enjoy it before you do. JC in NH From jwg6@cornell.edu Sun Sep 15 11:01:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 07:29:29 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 32 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <50piej$eh8@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0714.cit.cornell.edu In article <50piej$eh8@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) wrote: > During a recent hive inspection I noticed "bridge comb" between the bottom > of the frames and the top of the frames of a super below. I assume this is > because the spacing is not right. Can this "bridge comb" be reduced by > fastening wood strips to the bottom of the frames in the upper super to > reduce the spacing? > > Also, how long should one leave menthol crystals in a hive in order to > treat for tracheal mites? The bees "prefer" continuity of combs, especially in the brood chamber. Therefore, it is normal for them to construct bits of comb in these gaps between the stories of combs. The burr comb also serves as a "ladder" for the bees to pass to and fro. Having perfect spacing will not eliminate this behavior. Don't bother trying to modify the frames. Incidentally, some colonies will do this more than others. Also, if there is a honey flow on and too little storage-comb space, they will build lots of this comb between the super-stories and fill it promptly with honey. Don't worry about the bridge-comb if you have the correct 1/4 - 3/8" bee space betweem the combs in adjacent boxes. In the spring, when the population is lower and you "spring clean," you can scrape this comb off to make manipulations easier. They will build more eventually. I remove the bulk of this excess in spring when I am cleaning off the floors. This helps to prevent crushing of bees when re-stacking the boxes. Regarding the menthol, I don't know as I don't use it. It requires sufficient heat to vaporize it and this is normally not feasible in the north. The bees are not at all fond of menthol and many folks have discontinued its use in favor of grease-patties for tracheal mite control. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 27 14:57:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping ordinances Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091317053748@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <09-12-1996.296@hemi.com> Lines: 105 M>I'm looking for examples of urban beekeeping ordinances. My friend >(a beekeeper) is appearing before the Denver City Council to request >that they establish a policy regarding beekeeping. She would like to >be able to compare notes with other ordinances nationwide. M>If you know of where I could get a copy of an ordinance, please e-mail >me at monarch@hemi.com. HINT FOR THE HIVE #115 GOOD NEIGHBOR GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES To be a beekeeper in the 1990s demands a good deal of public relations. Honey bees sting and neighbors generally will not put up with stinging insects near their living area. A major problem in Florida during summer is bee foraging at swimming pools. Threat of proclamation of ordinances is very real in most communities. With the advent of publicity about the Africanized honey bee, more pressure will be exerted on beekeepers to give up the activity. Every beekeeper must, therefore, become the best of neighbors. The following are some suggested procedures to avoid potential problems that could evolve into ordinances against keeping bees. 1. Place colonies away from lot lines and occupied buildings. If near buildings, locate colonies away from used entrances and lines of foot traffic. 2. Erect a six-foot barricade between the bees and lot line. Use anything bees will not pass through: dense shrubs, fencing. An alternate solution may be to place bees on a roof. Anytime bees are flying close to the ground and across the property line of a neighbor, there are potential problems. 3. Provide a watering source. If a natural water source is not located nearby, and especially if swimming pools are in the vicinity, a tub of water should be placed in the apiary with wood floats to prevent the bees from drowning. Water should be changed periodically to avoid stagnation and mosquito breeding. 4. Minimize robbing by honey bees. Work the bees during nectar flows if possible and keep exposed honey or sugar water to an absolute minimum. Use entrance reducers to prevent robbing of weak colonies. Robbing bees are usually aggressive and will be more likely to sting passersby. 5. Prevent swarming. Although swarming bees are the most gentle, the activity and large, hanging ball of bees often alerts neighbors to beekeeping and may cause undue alarm. 6. Keep no more than three or four beehives on a lot less than one-half acre. If more colonies are desired, find a nearby farmer who will allow bees to be kept on his/her land in exchange for some honey. 7. Work bee colonies when neighbors are not in their yards. 8. Requeen over defensive colonies. 9. Give a pound or two of honey each year to the neighbors. If all else fails and ordinances are considered by the town or city council, the following model can be looked to for guidance: Section 1. Location of Beehives and Other Enclosures It shall be unlawful for any person to locate, construct, reconstruct, alter, maintain or use on any lot or parcel of land within the corporate limits, any hives or other enclosures for the purpose of keeping any bees or other such insects unless every part of such hive or enclosure is located at least seventy-five (75) feet from a dwelling located on the adjoining property. Section 2. Number of Hives (Colonies of Bees) Regulated On lot sizes of 15,000 square feet or less, no more than four hives (colonies of bees) will be permitted. The hives shall be no closer than fifteen feet from any property line. On lots larger than 15,000 square feet additional hives will be permitted on the basis of one (1) hive for each 5,000 square feet in excess of 15,000 square feet. Section 3. Type of Bees This ordinance shall pertain only to honey bees maintained in movable- frame hives, and it does not authorize the presence of hives with non-movable frames or feral honey bee colonies (honey bees in trees, sides of houses, etc.). Section 4. Restrictions on Manipulating Bees The hives (colonies) of bees may not be manipulated between the hours of sunset and sunrise unless the hives are being moved to or from another location. Section 5. Penalty The violation of any provision of this ordinance shall constitute a misdemeanor punishable upon conviction by a fine not exceeding fifty ($50) dollars, or imprisonment not exceeding thirty (30) days; provided, that each day that a violation exists or continues to exist shall constitute a separate offense. Section 6. Effective Date This ordinance shall be effective from and after the ______of ______, 19__. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM From TomasMozer@gnn.com Fri Sep 27 14:57:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!TomasMozer From: TomasMozer@gnn.com (TOMAS MOZER) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: stingless bees Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:29:07 Organization: GNN Lines: 3 Message-ID: <51ifdp$q35@news-e2b.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 71-212.client.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1996 02:52:41 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 my previous posting was in response to joan hiltner's inquiry of a couple of weeks ago... sorry if the thread was unclear. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Sep 27 14:57:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Virgin queen confrontation: has anyone seen this? Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:20:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <51gsb5$qp8@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Hello, I'm doing some digging and I wondered if anyone had seen actual virgin to virgin confrontations in a hive. If you have and feel like describing what you saw, please do--it would help me out. SW Virginia, cooling off, nights to 50 degrees F, strong Fall flow on, Hives with Apistan, no varroa, hives without Apistan, 20% of adult bees carrying mites. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 14:57:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic foundation/frames Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:05:43 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <51grm2$7dg@paraguay.earthlink.net> References: <3230ce29.608459@news.edgeinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool028.max1.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Robert Allen Stevens wrote: >I just harvested a bunch of pierco frames in medium supers and they averaged 53 >lbs of honey each. >None of my wooden supers come close to that. No top bars to come off - they are >a lifetime frame. >The only disadvantage of them over wooden frames is that because of the the >thinner top bar, they >will glue them down more than the wooden frame because the bee space isn't >right in the supers. >As for cost, I would dispute the question " are they worth the extra money." I >bought mine from Betterbee for $1.06 each. I can't buy a wooden frame, a sheet >of crimp- wired and 10 nails or staples for that price. So, I would phrase it : >"Are wooden frames really worth the extra money." I look forward to the day >when my wooden frames are all weeded out, and I have nothing but Pierco. Robert, Don't sell your wooden frames just yet! Perhaps Pierco has improved their frames, but the ones that were in some hives I bought had problems with the top bars cracking after a few years. In addition, normal hive tool manipulations would often crack the flastic frames. Now I buy only plastic foundation (Plasticell or Permandent) and pop them into wooden frames with grooved top and bottom bars. You get the same beautiful brood patterns. John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA jcaldeira@earthlink.net From pbc@teleport.com Fri Sep 27 14:57:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/staining hives. Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:10:24 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <323C4690.4C56@teleport.com> References: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-30.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I; 16bit) To: Joel Govostes Joel Govostes wrote: > > Cuprinol is great - protects the wood well, won't bother the bees, and Thanks for everyones comments. Joel, is Cuprinol a single product or a line of products? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cauthorn pbc@teleport.com --- More heinous crimes are committed in the name of obedience than in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow From mpcenter@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:57:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.cdsnet.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Bees Date: 16 Sep 1996 01:08:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51inbt$4rs@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Okay... on I go with my research as to which bees to start with in my first hives in the spring. Joel Govostes was kind enough to enthusiastically recommend the Buckfast bees, of which I have been able to find out very little, aside from Joel's comments and the fact that they were genetically engineered by the late dear Brother Adam. They sound like neat little creatures and I'd like to learn more! I live in the San Francisco Bay area. Is there anyone here who lives on the West Coast and is working with the Buckfast bees? I'd appreciate any information I can get... (and thanks, Joel... you got me going on this one!) Many thanks in advance... Mary Caldwell From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!netnews.fast.net!news.fast.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin queen confrontation: has anyone seen this? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:33:17 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <51ht14$kvr@argentina.earthlink.net> References: <51gsb5$qp8@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool033.max1.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >Hello, >I'm doing some digging and I wondered if anyone had seen actual virgin to >virgin confrontations in a hive. If you have and feel like describing >what you saw, please do--it would help me out. I never actually saw a fight, but can tell you it happens FAST. A friend and I were late moving cells from cell building colonies into mating nucs, and the virgins were hatching that day. We lost a lot of virgins, and estimate the first ones to have hatched less than 18 hours before we got there (could be up to 24 hours, but no more). The hatched virgins went after each other before we got there, but the ones that were still in cells were OK. It was a bummer. This is when we learned the hard way that queen development can vary depending on temperature or other factors. John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA jcaldeira@earthlink.net From v2creative@argo.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.randomc.com!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.agis.net!zeus!news From: v2creative@argo.net Subject: E. Massachusetts Honey Producers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <323DF637.663B@argo.net> Sender: news@argo.net Nntp-Posting-Host: pm19.argo.net Reply-To: v2creative@argo.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: v2 Creative and Video Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:52:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Lines: 13 I am presently preparing to produce/market a health product, one of the primary ingredients of which is honey. I very much want to use locally produced honey, and would like to compile a list of all producers in Massachusetts in an area generally extending from route 2 as far west as the Connecticut River to, and including Essex County. Also, the original formula refers to "white" honey, a term I am not familiar with. Does anyone know what this means? Does it mean White Clover Honey? Please post all responses via Email to v2creative@argo.net Thank you. J.C. Richards From goomba@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!timbuk.cray.com!news4.mr.net!mr.net!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde.nde.swri.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: goomba@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Pollen Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:21:50 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <51jrae$j2p@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 57.new-york-003.ny.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) Has anyone had success with using a Pollen Box installed at the entrance? Also, how long do you keep the Pollen trap in place, I do not want to rob the Bees of essential pollen From pbackiel@omnirel.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!venus.os.com!usenet From: Peter Backiel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping ordinances Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:51:12 -0400 Organization: Omnirel Corporation Lines: 10 Message-ID: <323D8580.B5@omnirel.com> References: <09-10-1996.0@hemi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3-os-gw.os.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) To: Maxine Davi Why does your friend want to establish an ordinance? Just what we need, another governmental law telling us what we can and can't do. I'm glad she doesn't live in my town. The Libertarian Beekeeper > I'm doing some research for a friend of mine. She is preparing to appear > before the Denver (CO) City Council to request that they establish a > beekeeping ordinance. She is trying to obtain ordinances from other > cities and countries to help her in her efforts. From v2creative@argo.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news1.agis.net!zeus!news From: v2creative@argo.net Subject: Massachusetts Honey Producers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <323DF511.C16@argo.net> Sender: news@argo.net Nntp-Posting-Host: pm19.argo.net Reply-To: v2creative@argo.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: v2 Creative and Video Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:47:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Lines: 9 I am presently preparing to produce/market a health product, one of the primary ingredients of which is honey. I very much want to use locally produced honey, and would like to compile a list of all producers in Massachusetts in an area generally extending from route 2 as far west as the Connecticut River to, and including Essex County. Also, the original formula refers to "white" honey, a term I am not familiar with. Does anyone know what this means? Does it mean White Clover Honey? Thank you. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!gatech!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I store comb honey in the freezer? Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:01:19 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1780470D1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com> <51d6jf$p3s@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <51d6jf$p3s@nw101.infi.net> spiderlily writes: > >Why bother? It is a known fact that honey is the only food in the world >that doesn't go bad. > True, the honey won't "go bad", meaning that it won't spoil. However, comb honey that has crystalized in the comb is considered "nonmarketable". Although it is still good, crystalized comb honey is frowned upon by the consuming population. Storing the combs in the freezer will prevent crystalization, keeping the combs marketable. I try to keep a few dozen combs frozen over winter to supply my wholesale customers early in the spring when they open their roadside stands before the new crop is in. Suggested reading: _Honey_in_the_Comb_ by Eugene Killion available from Dadant Press. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Infestation Rates Date: 16 Sep 1996 06:09:54 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 25 Message-ID: <51iqvi$6hq@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Adam F. noted 20% of the adult bees in his hives (sw Virginia) are infested w/varroa. I'm noticing far, far lower infestation rates on my hives here and around Philadelphia. Temp here is about 68 degrees F., and a good flow has been going on for a week. I've yet to see any mites on adult workers and have seen an ocassional mite on ejected drones. These drones have been in pretty bad shape, looking discolored and having malformed wings. I'm not sure whether the workers are yanking them out of the cells prior to complete development due to mite damage, or as part of the "massacre of the drones," or because they are infested in the first place. I never before noticed drones being yanked out before full development but then again I never looked until this year. Also, I spoke with David Wasitowski at S&F Honey Farm in Flemington, NJ (near Trenton, about 50 miles n of Philly) and he has noticed the same thing (low infestation). They have at least a few hundred hives and do some breeding and nuke production. This is complicating trials w spearmint oil (I posted my intention to conduct some about two weeks ago) but I am still conducting them and will be treating all of my hives over the next week and posting the trial and additional results. For now I am curious about other areas' infestation rates. Maybe only less harmful mites survived last winter...? Dave T. From martin@usa.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.usa.net!news From: martin@usa.net (Martin L. Turnbull) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Petcare.com seeks articles on bee care / upkeep Date: 16 Sep 1996 23:22:50 GMT Organization: Internet Express (800-592-1240 customer service) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <51knga$1fo@shiva.usa.net> Reply-To: martin@usa.net NNTP-Posting-Host: port45.cos1-annex.usa.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Yes, petcare.com will publish your bee keeping health care articles on our new web site. Full source credit given. Published under your Copy Right. Published under your name. Published with your address if you desire it. Published with your business telephone number if you desire it. Email articles to Martin@hp.net. Or Mail articles on disc in text files to: Martin L. Turnbull 4853 Chaparral Road Colorado Springs, CO 80917 Thanks for taking the time to read this notice. Martin www.petcare.com From pdk@mindspring.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: John LeRoy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/staining hives. Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:49:17 +0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: <323D76FD.14BC@mindspring.com> References: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> <323C4690.4C56@teleport.com> Reply-To: pdk@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-168-121-158-52.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1996 20:46:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Paul Cauthorn wrote: > Joel, is Cuprinol a single product or a line of products? Cuprinol is made by Sherwin Williams paint company. I bought mine through my local hardware store, but he had to order it. Most paint stores no longer stock it. From pbc@teleport.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!sun-net.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Pollen Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:02:31 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <323E2FA9.4D0@teleport.com> References: <51jrae$j2p@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug2-03.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I; 16bit) To: goomba@worldnet.att.net This doesn't answer your questions, but this is my experience with pollen traps. I started using pollen traps this year. The ones I'm using were made by an older beekeeper. These are the kind that act as a bottom board with two entrances, one that causes the bee to go through the trap and the other one allows the bee to go directly into the hive. They work very well. They do allow a great place for wax moths to hide and breed. I'm thinking I might swap them out for standard hive bottoms for the winter. I'd be very interested in hearing about the entrance collectors. If you know of any plans for these, please let me know. goomba@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > Has anyone had success with using a Pollen Box installed at the entrance? > Also, how long do you keep the Pollen trap in place, I do not want to > rob the Bees of essential pollen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cauthorn pbc@teleport.com --- More heinous crimes are committed in the name of obedience than in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:58:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: information needed about hollow-like hives Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:07:40 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <514uj3$mv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <514uj3$mv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Woodschild writes >I maintain a natural tree-hollow beehive in a nature center. I would be >interested in any alternative hive designs that would preserve the natural >look of our hive and provide for easier maintenance, inspection, and >feeding - we lost the hive to mites last year >because we couldn't inspect them right. I believe it can be illegal to keep bees in hives like this in parts of the 'States, or it has to be done by licence. This is precisely because they can't be inspected for disease. This isn't so in the UK but maybe it should be, what I do is to keep a topbar hive. I have a hollow trunk cut lengthways into 2/3 and 1/3. The 2/3 is the cavity enlarged by a chain saw, the 1/3 is the roof. By closing the ends and laying 33mm wide bars across for the whole length of the 2/3 I get a topbar brood chamber with matching roof. The bees can be persuaded to draw natural semicircles of comb on each bar, which can be withdrawn and inspected for swarming and disease. Apistan hangs just right but drone removal is bit tricky ! It seems a workable compromise between beauty and expedience. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mem.bellsouth.net!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Sharon Litton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees and their behavior..... Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:35:23 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 97 Message-ID: <323CA0CB.2DE3@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.dallas-2.tx.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; I) Sharon Litton received the following from: Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 19:03:25 +0000 From: Manytimes@gnn.com (Tom Clothier) The main question I have, though, is an observation of their behavior, >and was wondering if someone out there could help. The definitely have >guards that patrol the perimeter of the area, but I also notice bees >scratching around on the ground around the perimeter of the compost >pit/beehive. What are they doing?? Are they keeping it neat and tidy, >keeping clear of obstructions, or something that I am missing? Yellow jackets need great quantities of water and wood in order to manufacture the paper for their nest. They forage for these items in the same manner in which they forage for protein (other insects) to feed their larvae and sugar (nectar) to feed themselves. My yellow jackets wait in line for their turn at the crack in my bird feeder. It is quite common for them to construct their nest in a compost pile. By the same token, it is unheard of for bumblebees. >I suppose they will go away if we have a really hard freeze this >winter?? When do they start dying back? When would it be safe to work >around our compost pit again?? Next year's queens will migrate to hibernating spots as soon as night time temps start to drop into the 40's. The balance of the colony will all die with a good hard freeze. Incidently, if you have yellow jacket wasps, as I suspect, they do very little pollination, if any at all. Look again. If they don't seem hairy, they are wasps, because bumblebees are very hairy. Bumblebees are the best pollinators we have. regards, Reply-To: mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com How does one get on the BEE-L list server? I'm fairly new to this Internet stuff, and would appreciate the help. Thanks! Mary From chukquist@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chukquist@aol.com (ChukQuist) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 15 Sep 1996 17:38:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51ht1f$mre@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <323B1C51.DFF@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: chukquist@aol.com (ChukQuist) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com You might check a book out at the library entitled "Bumblebee Economics" by Bernd Heinrich. He describes how to make a bumblebee observation hive and how to care for them. I don't know how cold it gets where you are in Texas, but here in Denver all of the bees die in the winter except for the queen which hibernates till next spring. From TomasMozer@gnn.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!TomasMozer From: TomasMozer@gnn.com (TOMAS MOZER) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stingless bees Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:01:46 Organization: GNN Lines: 10 Message-ID: <51idqb$pfj@news-e2b.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 71-212.client.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1996 02:25:15 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 yes, they have survived at least until now. however they are apparently threatened by the africanized honeybees' arrival in the Yucatan, as per the brazilian experience in Amazonia where species diversity and populations affected by resource competition with the exotic invaders suffered declines as the AHB expanded its range. As a result, millenia of stingless beekeeping traditions in the american tropics may be endangered as well. check out "an insect called bee" for info/links (http://www.ifi.unit.no/~janbo/it281/bee_cie.html). From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Fri Sep 27 14:58:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.bconnex.net!clicnet!news.clic.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/staining hives. Date: 18 Sep 1996 00:36:02 GMT Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <322D33CD.2E45@teleport.com> <323C4690.4C56@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 >Joel, is Cuprinol a single product or a line of products? Cuprinol is a line of products that is now owned by Sherwin Williams paints I have used their Clear Stain on my hives. I wouldn't really call it a stain. Apparently it's low in toxins. Mainly linseed oil with additives It imparts a sightly yellowish tint to white pine. It has a UV protector in it so the wood doesn't grey. It seems to work well. Cuprinol makes other stains that allow the wood to grey if it is your preferences. Check out their home-page: www.cuprinol.com. They list all their products with and their characteristics. F From cdg1@concentric.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Massive Bee Swarm Killed, "Were Not Killer Bees" says NMSU entomologist Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:13:47 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <51ntau$hpk@herald.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057033.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 September 17th, 1996 >From the Albuquerque Tribune, - by Staff Writers at the Tribune Those were honeybees that buzzed WIPP Las Cruces, New Mexico -- A swarm of bees that decended on the Waste Isolation Pilot Project last week were of the Honey Bee variety - not the Killer bees that officials feared. The swarm, said to be 50 to 70 feet wide and 19 feet long - landed Sept 9 on a WIPP building and appeared to be nesting. They were exterminated. On Monday, Mike English, a New Mexico State University entomologist who had been sent a few corpses, said he had examined wing veins under a microscope and was certain the WIPP visitors were a common honey variety. WIPP -- which had yet to open - is a U.S. Department of Energy project designed to bury plutonium-contaminated waste from the nation's defense industry 21, 150 feet underground in ancient salt beds. _END_ Wish they would have called me, I think the bees could have fit in my swarm box. There must be some huge feral hive somewhere nearby. Along the same lines - Remember the movie "THEM ! " ?? (1954 , B&W, 94 minutes with James Whitmore, James Arness, Fess Parker and Leonard Nemoy). Charles From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!news.tacom.army.mil!news.webspan.net!news.intersurf.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Goldenrod - A Gift of God Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:40:19 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 70 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51n2bj$lp7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <9609061857217@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Crossposted from rec.gardens: Goldenrod - A Gift of God Many people seem to despise goldenrod, though their reasons are often wrong. There are few flowers that make a prettier fall bouquet. I especially like a wild bouquet with goldenrod and the little purple asters. When you see that, you'll understand why purple and gold are so popular for school colors. Goldenrod is often blamed for allergies. Unfortunately, ragweed blooms at the same time. Ragweed pollen is light and fluffy. It can be carried by the wind for many miles, and often winds up on the nasal passages of sensitive people. Goldenrod pollen is heavy and sticky. The only way you can get it on your nasal passages is to stick a flower up your nose. Goldenrod requires cross pollination by insects, as it's pollen cannot become airborne. It fact the pollen is unusually high in protein, and it "sweetens the pot," with a heavy flush of nectar. Goldenrod is the last chance of the season for a serious feeding of our pollinators. If you have some of it, treasure and preserve it. Do not be in a hurry to cut it down..... until after bloom. Many a beehive that has suffered and barely survived through the pesticide season has to get its winter food supply from pesticide-free goldenrod. Bees of ALL kinds LOVE goldenrod, so it is a good chance for you to check out your pollinator populations in the area. If you see goldenrod in bloom, and there are no honeybees, then you can be sure there simply are no honeybees in your area. The same is true of bumblebees. If you are missing both, you are in serious trouble for pollination. Bumblebees are great pollinators, especially for late crops, when populations are built up. Early in the spring, there are only queens, no workers, so they can help, but not as much. Honeybees are the generalists, who (used to be) always present and worked a large variety of flowers. You will also see wasps on goldenrod. Wasps are not usually good pollinators, because they do not often go to flowers, but goldernrod is an exception. One tiny wasp is important in fig pollination, but most wasps are valuable because they are insect preditors. Goldenrod nectar stinks to high heaven, and it seems to draw a lot of insects, even blowflies. Honeybees that are making goldenrod honey will smell awful, but the finished honey has a pleasant odor and a nice spicy taste. This is the time of year when bears are most apt to destroy hives, as the odor draws them. Many solitary bees also visit goldenrod. There are so many species, and such a variety of life cycles that little generalization can be made about their pollination value. Many are important for one particular plant, or at one particular time of year. Take some time to look at your goldenrod. Enjoy it. Give thanks for it. And learn by watching all the activity on its blossoms. What visitors are coming to yours? Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From jwg6@cornell.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:18 EDT 1996 Article: 5575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0803.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Goldenrod - A Gift of God Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:26:58 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 13 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <9609061857217@beenet.com> <51n2bj$lp7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0803.cit.cornell.edu Thanks for posting the goldenrod tidbits. I am always amazed at the prevalence of this "weed," and just how much it covers the countryside this time of year. It dawned on me that maybe it has some other significance as a plant, so I did a little searching around in wildflower books. I thought perhaps it had been deemed useful for some obscure medicinal qualities, or that it had been used for SOMETHING in years gone by, by the native Americans, for instance. I couldn't find anything. Seems its abundance would suggest finding some use for it; does anyone know if this plant has been utilized for any particular purposes? Also, what exactly does ragweed look like - does it too have a yellow blossom? Is it a nectar source as well? Thanks, JWG From key@csc.ti.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:20 EDT 1996 Article: 5576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!sislnews.csc.ti.com!usenet From: Laura Key Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees and their behavior..... Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:14:43 -0700 Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 49 Message-ID: <32405833.646F@csc.ti.com> References: <323CA0CB.2DE3@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: anima.csc.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: Sharon Litton CC: key@csc.ti.com Your bumblebee event sounds exactly as like my experience. My husband & I were on our deck and I was stirring a large pot on my outdoor cooker -making the rue for gumbo to feed 30 people. I noticed the bumblebees flying round the flowers...but ignored them except I noticed they were coming and going from the same location -a small hole under our house. Still, I didn't pay them an attention -I was too busy because the mixture I was stirring had to be kept moving about or else it would burn. Suddenly they (about 12 of them) began a choreographed attack. --all about my head. I received 15 stings about my head and face...but I kept stirring my gumbo! -And yelling for my husband. He ran over and check on me and was also attacked. The big fat fuzzy black and yellow mini-blimps were now in full force. I finally turned off my burner, covered my stuff and ran in the house (such a devoted cook am I -and stupid too I guess) to nurse my pains. Luckily, I'm pretty tough to pain. My husband went to get the wasp/hornet killer spray and he destroyed the nest and filled the hole with sevin dust. Which worked but in the process he was stung 4 more times too. This outrageous behavior came from a hive that was over 12 feet from me and I was not bothering them at all!! It is now over a year and I still do not enjoy cooking out on our deck anymore...too gunshy I guess. This is all sounds like a bad made-for-TV horror flick but we still don't have any idea why they attacked us. I now don't leave my dog out on the patio either. --Laura > > In Reply: > Trust me, they are the hairy black and yellow bumble bees - which I > love. They do live in leftover mouse burrows, which this particular > compost pile is full of. They did sting him multiple times on top of > his head, and I immediately poured Witch Hazel over his head, then we > put aloe vera on it as soon as it dried out a little, and he took an > antihistamine - luckily, he's not very allergic, tho his head was very > sore for several days, and his sinuses were a little stuffy. > > > Thanks for your input - but I don't think these bumble bees have ever > read the book on what they are "supposed" to be doing! They're just > doing it! And I was just wondering why, other than they're just > bumblebee-ing. > Sharon From goomba@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:20 EDT 1996 Article: 5577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: goomba@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trachea Mite Control Date: 18 Sep 1996 12:32:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <51oq5b$13r@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <323B3794.202@borg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.new-york-004.ny.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) I also lost my hives last winter. I am trying menthol crystals that I purchased from my local beekeeper supplier. You must act quickly in this part of the country to get the menthol while the outside temps are still warm. Good luck, to both of us!! From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Sep 27 14:58:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L List Server Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 13:35:54 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 27 Message-ID: <51ott9$767@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <51nqvi$4fc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <51nqvi$4fc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mpcenter@aol.com (MPCEnter) wrote: >How does one get on the BEE-L list server? I'm fairly new to this >Internet stuff, and would appreciate the help. Thanks! > Send a message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU saying only SUBSCRIBE BEE-L Your Name Where 'Your name' is your name. Be prepared to answer 'OK' to a message that will come back shortly, and then you are set. See you there... Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From r.j.yates@open.ac.uk Fri Sep 27 14:58:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange propolis circles! Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:45:53 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 16 Message-ID: <51pcgh$hli@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <32344965.39A5@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Marc Andelman wrote: >There are two identical 5 inch perfect circles that look like >they are propolis or some sort of orang bee poop on the outside >front of the bottom super of my bee hive. These are side by side, >a couple inches apart. What are these? Perhaps some sort of fungus attacking the wood (cf. fairy rings) - ? Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. From jwg6@cornell.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0725.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: E. Massachusetts Honey Producers Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:37:50 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 32 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <323DF637.663B@argo.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0725.cit.cornell.edu In article <323DF637.663B@argo.net>, v2creative@argo.net wrote: > I am presently preparing to produce/market a health product, one of > the primary ingredients of which is honey. I very much want to use > locally produced honey, and would like to compile a list of all > producers in Massachusetts in an area generally extending from route 2 > as far west as the Connecticut River to, and including Essex County. > Also, the original formula refers to "white" honey, a term I am not > familiar with. Does anyone know what this means? Does it mean White > Clover Honey? Please post all responses via Email to > v2creative@argo.net > > Thank you. > > J.C. Richards Hi! Here's a tip -- contact one of the most active beekeeper's clubs around. It's the Essex County Beekeepers' Association. You can get info on them from Essex Agricultural and Technical Institute, I think that's in Danvers; it is where the club has met over the years. ANyway that group has one of the BEST beekeeping displays in the country every year at the TOPSFIELD FAIR, which should be coming up soon. Make a point to attend, it's really well done. They would be your absolute best bet for making the contacts you need. Also you might try the Beekeepers' Warehouse, in Woburn, which is a supply store, (in the phone book/yellow pages) or there are a number of other bee clubs, notably the Middlesex County club and two or three down on the Cape. Good luck (I grew up in Woburn and was introduced to bees thru the Essex club.) I hope you have great success with your endeavors... JWG From beeman@netcom.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (beeman at esoteric services) Subject: Re: Bumblebees and their behavior..... Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <323CA0CB.2DE3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:12:32 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: beeman@netcom5.netcom.com Sharon Litton (SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : >guards that patrol the perimeter of the area, but I also notice bees : >scratching around on the ground around the perimeter of the compost : >pit/beehive. What are they doing?? Are they keeping it neat and tidy, : >keeping clear of obstructions, or something that I am missing? Hi Sharon, Bumble bees in compost piles is very common in my area, (S.F. Ca) In fact Bumble bees in almost anything is common: stuffing of old furniture, birdhouses, cardboard boxes, piles of lint under the dryer, to name a few. The guards are on alert because of being disturbed, But I suspect that animals may also be disturbing tham at night. sush as: skunks, racoons, possums (they like to eat bee and wasp larve) The "scratching" behaviour is for warmth, they are pulling the compost up on top of their nest for insulation. ( some of this is also just "make work" ) Just leave it alone (if not protect it from predators) and it will die out in winter. if you want to start a new one in the spring, try saving a small hand full of the old hive (dead hive) and put it in a small wood crate, fill the crate with insulation like furniture stuffing (cotton), make a 1 to 2 inch hole in the side and put it in the shade away from where ants will easily find it. leave it out in early spring to attract emerging queens. bumble bee are cyclic and it may work better the second year. ---beeman From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:25 EDT 1996 Article: 5582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees and their behavior..... Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:32:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <51pppc$ib8@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <323CA0CB.2DE3@worldnet.att.net> <32405833.646F@csc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <32405833.646F@csc.ti.com>, Laura Key wrote: >This is all sounds like a bad made-for-TV horror flick but >we still don't have any idea why they attacked us. I now >don't leave my dog out on the patio either. Sorry. Something was mimicking alarm pheromone. Maybe it was the gumbo? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!news.mibx.net!Path: holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping ordinances Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <96091818051179@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <323D8580.B5@omnirel.com> <09-10-1996.0@hemi.com> Lines: 42 PB>Why does your friend want to establish an ordinance? Just what we need, anot > governmental law telling us what we can and can't do. I'm glad >she doesn't live in my town. Some of the reasons why beekeepers are regulated by laws and ordinances: 1. Put a disorderly beekeeping out of business, at the same time making it difficult for all other beekeepers. 2. Collect a TAX usually disguised as a PERMIT to be a beekeeper or keep bees. 3. Some people have nothing else to do but worry about what others may be doing and if they don't understand it they will always try to regulate it. 4. Provide employment for other's in the bee regulatory business. 5. "We don't have a bee ordinance, we must need one?" (If it ain't broken fix it with a new law.) 6. Bee's kill people, ("I read it in the STAR") 7. People are allergic to bee stings, (Mrs. Jones told me about little Tom, son of Mrs. Smith that lives in total fear in the next town 50 miles down the road. 8. Beekeepers are weird. 9. (add your own from here to 100) ttul OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Officer, you pulled me over because you want my bee Lice? From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 14:58:27 EDT 1996 Article: 5584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Article on oils for mites etc. Date: 19 Sep 1996 05:01:25 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 7 Message-ID: <51qk35$9eh@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: port62.annex7.net.ubc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping?ALL I wonder if the article on using oils and items such as spearmint etc to fight mites could be posted again. I read it, mail it to myself at an address where I had a printer available, but the mail at that location died for three days, and the article apparently has gone into cyberspace. From golfdrvr@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: List of Honey Wholesalers??? Date: 19 Sep 1996 01:40:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51qmck$7d8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <512bc4$t1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Sorry, I was just so wrapped up in writing the letter I forgot to include where I'm from...Lehigh Valley, PA. I was also interested in a tri-state area span because I' planning to buy bulk (55 gal) within the next year or so. Once again thanks and please accept my apologies for my negligence. Marc From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:29 EDT 1996 Article: 5586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Article on oils for mites etc. Date: 19 Sep 1996 14:18:14 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 456 Message-ID: <51rkn6$55m@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <51qk35$9eh@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Bill Fernihough (Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: : I wonder if the article on using oils and items such as spearmint etc to : fight mites could be posted again. I read it, mail it to myself at an : address where I had a printer available, but the mail at that location : died for three days, and the article apparently has gone into : cyberspace. Subject: ESSENTIAL OILS report Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:58:00 GMT Message-ID: <9608191723412352@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 438 *RIPPED OFF FYI* Lots of good stuff and things to think about, including how to do it, who you can buy it, and who to contact for more information. I find some missing info lost in the translation from the html to ascii and if needed contact the authors or check and see if this was indeed published in the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL. IMHO, I see nothing in this report that any beekeeper can not do on his own with any fear of being in violation of any law of the United States of America. *NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT!* But remember that others may view it differently. I base my own legal opinion on the fact that the presence of Varroa mites in a beehive unlike AFB is not cause for action by any regulatory authorities in California, (don't know about your state or country), and therefore any treatments are not covered by any agricultural regulation. The Pure Food & Drug people are should only interested in products that may contaminate the honey with deleterious materials. If the materials here described are used according to the directions there should be no reason for concern as all ingredients are natural and well know to food scientists and chemists and are are common ingredients in BEE FOODS and human food and non regulated products available over the counter. If you combine the ingredients and provide it for sale you will need to do more legal work then if you do it for your own use. ttul Andy- ______________________________________________________________________ Varroa Mite Control: Preliminary Results of Research Letter to Editor, ABJ Preliminary Results of Research Varroa Mite Control, 24 June, 1996 Dear Editor, We have been working with Bob Noel, a beekeeper in Cumberland, Maryland, since August, 1995. In our opinion, Bob has discovered an effective and economical control for varroa mite (Varroa jacobsoni Oudemans (Acari: Varroidae)) and probably also for tracheal mite (Acarapis woodi (Rennie) (Acari: Tarsonemidae)); we saw very few tracheal mites in the hives examined. The following is a brief account of our work and preliminary findings during the past year. In summer and fall of 1995, Bob fed syrups containing essential oils1 to his bees, specifically wintergreen oil and spearmint oil. He mixed 10 to 20 drops (1/2 to 1 cc, respectively) of the oils to 453.6 grams (one pound) of sugar in a 0.95 liter (1 quart) jar, and hot water was added to fill the jar. This syrup was then fed to the bees at the entrance using a standard boardman feeder. He applied the two syrups to 14 hives as follows: spearmint oil to 5 colonies and wintergreen to 9 colonies beginning in July and continuing until October. In July, 1995, several of the colonies displayed typical PMS (parasitic mite syndrome): they were suffering from mite viruses, such as CBPV, from sacbrood which was quite heavy, and the brood pattern was scattered and incomplete, very similar to American foul brood (AFB), however, none of the colonies had AFB. Many of the emerging workers were small with shriveled wings and very small abdomens. Two of the colonies were so weak in July that wax moths were attacking comb and brood. Syrups were given ad lib and topped up daily. Bob assayed varroa mite populations by opening sealed brood cells, both drone and worker, by observing emerging brood and by directly observing varroa mite behavior. Results: after using treated syrups for three weeks, Bob noticed improved brood patterns, healthier bees, and reduced mite populations. After 30 days of treatment (we inspected the colonies in August, 1995) varroa mites were definitely in decline and the bees were considerably recovered from PMS. On 21 September, we thoroughly inspected several hives; those that were treated with syrups were virtually free of varroa mite, whereas untreated control colonies in the area were heavily attacked by varroa mite, had typical PMS, and were beginning to die off. In November 1995, Bob found that two of his bee yards (Oldtown, MD and Kifer, MD) which were free of varroa mites in July and August, were heavily infested with varroa mites (2-3 mites per adult bee). We believe that workers from collapsing feral colonies had joined with these colonies bringing in enormous numbers of varroa mites. Bob treated some colonies with apistan strips and grease patties (without essential oils) and others with grease patties containing the following: four cups of granulated sugar, two cups of shortening and 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil. This mixture was made into 8 oz patties and placed one per colony above the cluster. The following spring and early summer only a trace of varroa mite could be found in the hives treated with the grease patties containing wintergreen oil; several of the colonies treated only with apistan and standard grease patties died out. In May 1996, Bob devised the tracking strip method of varroa mite control: strips of 1/8 in. plexiglass, 7.5 cm by 35.5 cm (3" by 14"), were used as a support for a slurry made as follows: 4 parts mineral oil mixed with 1.5 parts melted beeswax; this liquid was then poured into 4 oz. baby food jars to which 2 cc's of patchouli oil and 2 cc's of wintergreen oil were added. Then ½ to 3 teaspoons of the slurry were applied to the each tracking strip with fingers, which were placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance of each colony. He began these treatments early in May. The day after strips were applied, dead varroa mites were found on the tracking strips- -several dead mites per colony. Bob's associate, Harry Mallow (a beekeeper for 30 years, former Maryland bee inspector, and former president of the Maryland State Beekeepers Association) treated one hive (his last surviving colony at beeyard No. 2) with the tracking strip on 31 May, 1996 (double the dose of patchouli and wintergreen oils; i.e., 4 cc of each oil in 4 ozs. of the slurry). On June 1st, both Harry and Bob observed several 100's of dead varroa mites at the entrance, on and around the strip. They returned on June 2nd to videotape the dead mites--most had been carried off by ants, but several dozen dead mites still remained at the entrance. Amrine inspected this colony on 6 June, 1996, and found very few live varroa mites on workers in the hive (two were seen on 1000's of bees examined). About 100 sealed drone cells were examined; several recently capped drone cells contained 18 to 25 highly aggitated varroa mites--they ran around the larva or pupa very rapidly and ran quickly onto and over the combs. It appears that at the time of treatment they entered nearly capped drone cells as if they were "bomb shelters" to avoid the tracking material. The older capped drone cells (with colored pupae and capped before the treatment) contained normal numbers of normally developing varroa mites. On June 6, 1996, Amrine inspected 12 of Bob Noel's colonies, in three bee yards and collected all varroa mites that could be found. About 100 sealed drone cells and several worker cells were opened in each colony. Four sealed drone cells were found infested with varroa at his "Rick's" bee yard in Cumberland, MD: two in colony number 4, treated with a tracking strip contain- ing the mineral oil-beeswax slurry and 4 cc of patchouli oil in a baby food jar (4 oz); and one each in colonies 2 and 3 which were treated with the same slurry containing 2 cc of wintergreen oil and 2 cc of patchouli oil (in 4 oz.) Varroa mites were not found in hive number 1 (same treatment as hives 2 and 3) We regard these numbers as a trace infestation of varroa mites. (The same colonies were inspected by Maryland bee inspector Dave Thomas, who found no live varroa mites on 18 May, 1996). No deformed bees were found; there were 12 to 14 frames of brood in each colony which were the best looking colonies we have seen in the last three years. Inspection of the Kifer, MD bee yard resulted in finding only two sealed drone cells with varroa mites (one each) out of 100 drone cells examined (hive number 3). This hive had been treated only with grease patty + wintergreen oil in November 1995, and a tracking strip (slurry made from 4 parts canola oil + 1.5 parts melted beeswax and 2 cc of patchouli oil) was added 30 May 1996. The colonies had two or three mites per adult bee in November, 1995. Inspection of the Oldtown, MD, bee yard resulted in finding 3 sealed drone cells containing varroa mites out of 100 cells examined in each of two colonies. These had been treated with grease patties containing wintergreen oil in November 1995, and had received no other treatment. In November, the colonies had two or three varroa mites per adult bee. Summary of Treatments: 1). Syrup: 10-20 drops of wintergreen or spearmint to one pound (453.6 grams) of sugar in a quart jar (0.95 liter); hot water added to fill jar. 2). Grease patties: made with four cups of granulated sugar, two cups of shortening and 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil. 3). Tracking strips: strips of 1/8 in. plexiglass, 7.5 cm by 35.5 cm (3" by 14"), were used as a base for holding a treated slurry made as follows: 4 parts mineral oil mixed with 1.5 parts melted beeswax; this liquid was then poured into 4 oz. baby food jars to which 2 cc's of patchouli oil and 2 cc's of wintergreen oil were added. Then ½ to 3 teaspoons of the cooled slurry were applied to the tracking strip which was placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance of each colony. These treatments were repeated after 5 days: the old slurry, dead mites and dead deformed bees were scraped off and new slurry added. CONCLUSIONS: Bob Noel's experiments from July 1995 to the present have demonstrated that essential oils in sugar syrup, grease patties and tracking strips are able to greatly reduce populations of varroa mites in bee colonies. 1) Spearmint oil at the rate of ½ to 1 cc per quart of syrup (1# of sugar) had the best results when fed in July through October; wintergreen oil was less effective, but still highly effective, in these experiments. 2) Grease patties containing 4.8 cc's of wintergreen oil were very effective from November until April in reducing and nearly eliminating varroa mites in heavily infested colonies treated in November. 3) Tracking strips containing 2cc of patchouli oil and 2 cc of wintergreen oil (or 4 cc of patchouli oil) are very effective in controlling varroa mites during spring build up. 4) In all cases of successful treatments, the essential oils were delivered to the brood nest of the treated colonies. The importance of this last observation can not be overemphasized. Two experiments of ours support the importance of this point. First, Harry Mallow began sugar syrup treatment of 16 colonies at his bee yard No. 1 in September, 1995. He treated 8 colonies with syrup and essential oils only (4 with 15 drops of wintergreen oil per pound of sugar, and 4 with 15 drops of spearmint oil); the cans were placed at the top of the colonies (in contrast to boardman feeders placed at the entrance by Bob Noel). [Nurse bees and foragers collect nectar from a boardman feeder and the syrup and essential oils go to the brood; feeders at the top of a hive do not usually deliver syrups or food directly to the brood nest.] Four more of his colonies were given wintergreen syrup + apistan strips and the last four colonies were given untreated syrup as controls. Only the four colonies with wintergreen syrup + apistan survived. These colonies were treated too late and the syrup was fed in the wrong location: at the top of the colony instead of the entrance. Second, Harry also treated one colony located in his beeyard No. 3 in April of 1996 with canola oil + wintergreen oil (4 cc of wintergreen in 4 ozs. of canola); a folded paper towel with canola + wintergreen was laid on a queen excluder above the cluster. He got a good kill of varroa mites (many were found dead on the bottom board). He continued this treatment for several weeks. We inspected the colony on 6 June, 1996: a paper towel with canola oil was on top of a queen excluder at the top of the colony (1 and ½ story); it had not been touched by the bees (in contrast, the original paper towel was shredded by the bees in April). [After April, the bees have little reason to go to the upper part of the hive and will not be affected by treatments placed there.] About 100 sealed brood cells (mostly drone) were examined in this colony; about 1/4 of the drone cells contained normally developing varroa mites. Obviously, this treatment, though effective in April when the cluster was near the top of the upper super, was no longer working. Thus the presence of the essential oils in the top of the hive was insufficient to cause reduction of varroa mite. This probably explains some of the negative reports we have read or heard from other researchers using essential oils--they apparently did not deliver the oils to the brood nest in a way that nurse bees and foraging bees would be treated; thus the tracking board at the entrance is highly effective, the syrup fed by boardman feeder is highly effective, and treated grease patties above the fall and winter cluster proved highly effective. The treatments must be delivered to the brood nest--in such a way that nurse bees and foraging bees are treated. Proposed mechanisms of action: Our observations of Bob Noel's experiments in 1995 and 1996 indicate the following mechanisms are probably at work in controlling varroa mites: 1) Direct toxicity: The grease patties and tracking strips indicate that the essential oils are able to kill varroa mites by direct contact, within 24 hours or less. Honey bees are not harmed by these oils at the rates used; honey has not been found to be contaminated by any of the treatments used to date (taste test). The evidence to date is strong enough to prove that this is definitely a mechanism of varroa mite control; however, no case has been observed where direct toxicity has totally elliminated the mites. For now, it can only be regarded as a partial control and effective only at time of treatment and for several days following. 2) Sensory disruption: it seems that the essential oils from grease patties and tracking strips are able to mask the normal chemosensory receptors on the tarsi and mouthparts of varroa mites, disrupting the mite's ability to function normally. As a result, they are not able to properly invade larval cells about to be capped, nor do they seem to be able to properly insert themselves under the sternites of worker bees and feed on bee hemolymph. They may not be able to recognize adults and mature larvae of honey bees because of the presence of the grease + oils on the mites' cuticle and sensory receptors. This mechanism is hypothetical and is supported indirectly by observations of behavior of varroa mites in treated colonies by Bob Noel, Harry Mallow and us. 3) Reproductive disruption: it is apparent that varroa mites in all three methods of treatments are not able to reproduce normally. Examination of cells at or near the time of emergence of bees and mites from mite-infested cells in treated colonies show that few newly developed females are found; many cells have been found containing dead immature mites and single females that never reproduced (so-called nonreproducing or sterile females). We conclude that the essential oils are able to disrupt the reproductive mechanism of the varroa mite. It is known that under natural, untreated conditions, the female varroa mite, after feeding on a larva in a sealed cell for 1-2 days, normally becomes " gravid"--she appears swollen and the cuticular membrane between the sternal and genital plates becomes stretched and evident as white borders around the plates. The so-called "eggs" deposited by the female are in reality immature mites that are ready to emerge as protonymphs, the embryonic and larval stages having been completed within the chorion inside the body of the female. Thus, the female is converting the blood of the bee larva and/or pupa into nutrients for each developing immature mite. This part of the varroa's development is viewed by us as its weakest point, the so-called "Achilles' Heel" of the varroa mite, and appears to be the major target of action of the essential oils. The oils may be disrupting enzyme systems used to convert bee blood nutrients into nutrients for the developing immature mites and so the females are not able to produce "eggs". Also, after hatching, very few of the mites in treated colonies were able to complete development by the time the bee emerged from the cell. These mechanisms help explain observations given to us by several beekeepers where honey bee colonies were located in regions with blooming plants rich with essential oils, such as mints, mellaleucas, eucalypts, etc., and which were often found to be free of, or not harmed by, varroa mites. We presume that the bees foraged on flowers of the plants, or on the resins of the plants for propolis, and returned to their colonies with these nectars or resins containing essential oils. Appartently, enough of the essential oils reached the brood cells so that the development of the varroa mites was disrupted in the colonies. This probably explains the failure of varroa mites to develop in many tropical regions, such as Brazil: the large variety of native flora apparently produce essential oils in nectar, pollen or propolis to the extent that normal reproduction of the mites is impaired. We believe that these essential oils, which were originally produced by the host plants in order to kill, repel or prevent arthropod attack, are a very natural means of mite control. Honey bees are not affected by the essential oils, especially those from Lamiaceae (the mint family), because of concurrent evolution of the bees with these flowering plants and their essential oils; the bees long ago developed techniques to avoid, or counteract, the toxicity of the essential oils. However, the varroa mites, which were originally on Apis cerana in South and East Asia, apparently are susceptible to the essential oils. An important question is whether varroa mites will be able to evolve resistance to the essential oils; only time will tell. However, there are so many essential oils available, that if resistance to one appears, another oil may be substituted; the only real fear is whether varroa mite may eventually develop resistance to the entire class of essential oils. Our future research will be directed toward 1) finding an essential oil treatment that will totally erradicate varroa mites from hives; 2) providing evidence to elucidate and document the mechanism(s) by which varroa mites are controlled by essential oils; 3) testing the oils at increased levels to determine toxicity levels to honey bees; 4) testing honey harvested from treated hives for the presence of essential oils. We encourage other beekeepers to conduct research similar to ours in order to help find a way to eliminate bee mites. Please let us know if you have had similar results. Our interests in this project are strictly non-profit and for the benefit of the honey bee industry and beekeeping in general. Respectfully submitted, James W. Amrine, Jr., Terry A. Stasny, and Robert Skidmore West Virginia University P. S.: We can be reached at the following addresses: Computer Science and School Coordinator 108 Blackiston Ave. Cumberland, MD 21502 Telephone: 301-724-3529 Harry A. Mallow, Former Regional Bee Inspector, Allegheny & Garrett Cos. Md. Dept of Agric. (under John Lindner) 11914 Valley Rd. NE Cumberland, MD 21502 Telephone: 301-724-2191 James W. Amrine, Jr.2 (Professor), Terry A. Stasny 2 (Research Acarologist) and Robert Skidmore (Apiculture graduate student) Division of Plant and Soil Sciences, P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26505-6108 Telephone: 304-293-6023; E-mail: jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu 1 For a source of essential oils, we recommend Lorann Oils, 4518 Aurelius Road, P. O. Box 22009, Lansing, MI 48909-2009. Toll free number is 1-800-248-1302. Fax number is 517-882-0507. Lorann Oils will send catalogs to callers and will sell essential oils at wholesale prices to beekeepers (callers must identifiy themselves as beekeepers) in quantities from 1 oz. to 1 gallon. Beekeepers needing larger quantities should call for special pricing. 2Amrine has been teaching beekeeping at WVU since 1978, is past president of the Eastern Apiculture Society (1982) and is current president of the Morgantown Area Beekeepers Association; Stasny is founder of the Morgantown Area Beekeepers Association (1977), and has been a beekeeper for 30 years; Skidmore was a bee inspector for the Pennsylvania Dept. of Agriculture, Erie, Pennsylvania area in 1995. EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT: MENTHOL + CANOLA OIL FOR TRACHEAL MITE CONTROL Developed by Bob Noel, 24 July, 1996. Make a stock solution that contains 2.5 ozs. of menthol crystals per half pint of vegetable oil (70.9 grams/236cc) or 5 ozs./pint (141.7 grams/473 cc ). (Menthol crystals are available from Lorann Oils at a competitive price; contact Lorann Oils at 1-800-248-1302 or 1-800-862-8620--identify yourself as a beekeeper and request a copy of their catalog. Address: 4518 Aurelius Road, P. O. Box 22009, Lansing, MI 48909-2009). 1. Weigh out and place the menthol crystals in a suitable jar, add the correct amount of vegetable oil (eg., Canola oil). 2. Place the jar in a pan of water on low heat until the crystals are dissolved (keep the lid on the jar). 3. For each pint of sugar syrup, use 1 teaspoonful of the menthol + oil stock solution. (Make syrup from equal parts of sugar and syrup; 1 rounded cup of sugar + 1 cup of water makes almost one pint of syrup). 4. After adding the menthol + oil, seal the jar of syrup until needed. 5. Make a sprinkling jar by punching holes in jar lid with a small nail. 6. When ready to treat for tracheal mite (Acarapis woodi), shake the sugar syrup well and pour into the sprinkling jar. Mixture should be warm--baby bottle warm. 7. Open the hive and sprinkle the full pint over the bees in the brood chambers. The bees will clean themselves and in the process, give themselves a dose of menthol which will kill the tracheal mites. 8. Repeat in 7 days to kill mites that hatched from eggs; or repeat as necessary. 9. Treatments in fall and spring are usually sufficient, but it can be used for a weak colony suspected of having tracheal mites. Be sure to treat swarms and new colonies: 2 times, five days apart. 10. If the menthol + oil crystallizes, reheat and crystals will dissolve. Questions or comments please contact: James W. Amrine, Jr. Division of Plant and Soil Sciences, P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26505-6108 USA Telephone: 304-293-6023 E-mail: jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the bee sucks, there suck I; -- From KPiette@tiac.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news-in.tiac.net!posterchild!news@tiac.net From: Kerri Piette Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Goldenrod - A Gift of God Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:41:03 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3241E81F.4C1B@tiac.net> References: <9609061857217@beenet.com> <51n2bj$lp7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bonsai.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I find goldenrod a boon for my other hobby in that we dye wool with it. Used fresh it makes a sunny yellow color and I have combined it with indigo to get a nice green. Goldenrod had many medicinal uses. As a distilled water it was used as a diuretic, treatment of mouth ulcers, relief of nausea, and as a powder applied to external ulcers to aid healing. Check out the book Culpepper's Herbal for uses of all sorts of plants and herbs. Now that my yarn is yellow, I can sit back and let the bees enjoy the remaining goldenrod knowing it is helping boost their stores for another New England winter. Kerri From chukquist@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chukquist@aol.com (ChukQuist) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Birdhouse Date: 19 Sep 1996 21:51:59 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <51stbv$3nt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: chukquist@aol.com (ChukQuist) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I have a colony of bees in a rather large birdhouse which will fit into 2 deep supers. The weight of the birdhouse is approxiamately 50 lbs so I'm guessing there are sufficient stores. Any thoughts on how to hive them next spring, assuming they winter over ok? From vandy@avana.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:32 EDT 1996 Article: 5589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.ktb.net!news.electricpages.com!usenet From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: information needed about hollow-like hives Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:01:38 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32403c6e.16109392@news.avana.net> References: <514uj3$mv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: vandy@avana.net NNTP-Posting-Host: atl189.avana.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 10 Sep 1996 19:45:39 -0400, woodschild@aol.com (Woodschild) wrote: >I maintain a natural tree-hollow beehive in a nature center. Because of >visitor wear and tear the original log needs to be replaced. I would be >interested in any alternative hive designs that would preserve the natural >look of our hive and provide for easier maintenance, inspection, and >feeding - we do not harvest honey. This is a VERY popular display but >nearly impossible to manage properly - we lost the hive to mites last year >because we couldn't inspect them right. Is there any area art class/ school that could make you some ceramic hive bodies that stack but still have the appearance of a hollow tree? Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net Georgia, USA From wwelch@bear.sdi.agate.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!itnews.sc.intel.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!service-2.agate.net!usenet From: William Welch Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I store comb honey in the freezer? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:10:55 -0400 Organization: Agate Internet Services (AIS) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3241E10F.1A86@bear.sdi.agate.net> References: <3235DE71.6BAE@ultranet.com> <51d6jf$p3s@nw101.infi.net> Reply-To: wwelch@bear.sdi.agate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: bear.sdi.agate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Jon Camp wrote: > > Yeah, but the wax moths may get to enjoy it before you do. > > JC in NH I really can't imagine much wax moth activity at 0 degrees F. as they are insects and therefore coldblooded. -- Bill Welch Fly Fisherman http://www.agate.net/~wwelch/bill.html From KPNF84A@prodigy.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: KPNF84A@prodigy.com (Edward Warren) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting over Date: 22 Sep 1996 15:11:42 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <523kve$pni@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap1-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have now lost my two hives to varoa mites for a second time. The first time was 3 years ago. I burned all of my equipment, got new kits for Christmas and restarted. It was my fault that not everything was done to prevent the varoa from causing so much harm, but I did leave all of the honey that the bees made last summer in the hive. They did not survive the winter. I plan to try once more and I plan to use all of the strategies that are available to me this time. There are some things about which I am unsure. Do I really need to burn all of the old equipment, or can some of it be reused? Is there a particular strain of honey bees which I should seek out next spring? How important is it for me to find a completely different location for the new hives? Thank you, Edward Warren From jwg6@cornell.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0815.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Birdhouse Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 10:30:28 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 59 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <51stbv$3nt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0815.cit.cornell.edu In article <51stbv$3nt@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, chukquist@aol.com (ChukQuist) wrote: > I have a colony of bees in a rather large birdhouse which will fit into 2 > deep > supers. The weight of the birdhouse is approxiamately 50 lbs so I'm > guessing there are sufficient stores. Any thoughts on how to hive them > next spring, assuming they winter over ok? This should be an easy transfer. I've had no problems with this sort of thing. Here's what you do next spring: Take a piece of plywood the size of an inner cover. Cut a 7-10" diameter hole in the center. Tack a 3/8" rim all around the perimeter. SO basically you have what looks like an inner cover, only with a big hole in the middle. Cut a 2-3" section out of the rim someplace for an entrance. On a nice day, say early May, when the bees have begun building up well, TIP the birdhouse over. Very carefully. Yup, upside-down. Secure it so it will stand basically level like this. Knock or cut off the bottom of the bird house, now facing up. SImply set the board you made on the bird box, with the big hole over the opening of the bird house. ON the board (rim up) now set your brood chamber, preferably with combs, but foundation will do. SEAL the entrance of the bird house proper (the entrance they were accustomed to using). Now the bees must enter & exit thru the space you cut in the board rim, amounting to a 2-3" long entrance. Make sure the new entrance faces the same direction as the old one did. Next, important, put a feeder of sugar water on the brood box, and keep it full for the next few weeks. Cover the hive with a regular lid as usual. It's much simpler and faster than it sounds. Here's what happens-- The bees have everything upside down, which is contrary to their normal state of affairs! They start moving food stores UP into the hive proper immediately. The heat from below rises, and within a week the queen should have moved up, too, & should be laying in the brood box. Meanwhile the bees have plenty of syrup to lure them up and keep them building up in population. A couple of weeks later, inspect the combs in the brood box. You will probably find the queen up there and a nice brood nest developing. Once you know the queen is above, INSERT a queen-excluder under the transferring-board you made. Super the hive as necessary. Now the queen can't get back down to use those upside-down combs. A month after the initial manipulation, all the brood in the bird house will have hatched, and there will be only some leftover food stores down there. Remove the bird house entirely, and set it close by, so the bees in it can come out and join the hive, which you place on a proper floor/stand on the original spot. The bees will make their way (you can now shake most of them out of the birdhouse) over to the new entrance, and over the next several days they'll salvage whatever honey or pollen they want from the old combs. THis works like a charm; just keep some sugar syrup on them till they are storing plenty of honey above and have the new combs all drawn. Then you'll have a strong colony all ready for the honey flow and in the proper equipment. Good luck, Joel From bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:58:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: Bill Henderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: science project Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 10:45:09 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1996092210450969278@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.09x 10001273 In message <32449B30.659F@southwind.net> Mike Everhart writes: > I am a science teacher and am wondering if there are any bee hives that > can be placed against a 2nd story classroom window so that the kids can > watch the bees. I would appreciate any help/information. Thanks! > Pam Hello Pam You can get an observation hive which has glass sides and can sit *inside* your class room. They usually only have one brood bar and one or two "storage" bars. I had one in my class for about three years and it worked well. Try to find a local bee keeper and ask where he gets his supplies. They should be able to help. At the very least they will be able to show you a photograph in a catalogue. Good luck -- Bill Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland e-mail bill.henderson@zetnet.co.uk packet GM0VIT@GB7YEW.#79.GBR.EU From -@-. Fri Sep 27 14:58:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: -@-. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 19:12:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ham-oh1-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 22 11:17:06 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. Thanks, please post replies. From ajdel@interramp.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!psinntp!interramp.com!ip150.herndon4.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: science project Date: 22 Sep 1996 16:54:53 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <523r0t$iqo@usenet10.interramp.com> References: <32449B30.659F@southwind.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.4.150 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:54:50 GMT In article <32449B30.659F@southwind.net> Mike Everhart, mjever@southwind.net writes: >I am a science teacher and am wondering if there are any bee hives that >can be placed against a 2nd story classroom window so that the kids can >watch the bees. I would appreciate any help/information. Thanks! >Pam "Observation Hives" are small hives that hold 1 frame instead of the usual 9 or 10. The sides of the hive are of glass rather than wood so that one can observe the goings on inside. The bees access the hive through a tube which passes from the hive to the exterior through a hole in the wall. The hives are inexpensive and are stocked with a small (1 lb) swarm of bees. They are available >from apiarists supply houses (as are the bees). I would think the major issue for the classroom setting would be getting the hole through the wall. The time to set all this up is in the spring. The activity of drawing out comb, egg laying, nurture of the grubs and collection of the spring honey flow takes place then. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From bees@bigfoot.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.IT.net!usenet From: George or Kate Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Birdhouse Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:24:24 -0700 Organization: ITnet Lines: 43 Message-ID: <324610F8.1D38@bigfoot.com> References: <51stbv$3nt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: prmts1-04.pn.itnet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) To: ChukQuist ChukQuist wrote: > > I have a colony of bees in a rather large birdhouse which will fit into 2 > deep > supers. The weight of the birdhouse is approxiamately 50 lbs so I'm > guessing there are sufficient stores. Any thoughts on how to hive them > next spring, assuming they winter over ok? Hi, In spring just before the swarm period, you could do one of the following: The first thing is to move the birdhouse to a new spot, and leave a new hive with waxsheets and 1 or 2 combs of honey in its place. At the end of the next sunny day all the foragers will be in the new hive. Next: Early in the morning bring back the birdhouse with the bees in it. Place it under the new hive, uncover it, and Smoke the bees from underneath as you bang the birdhouse with a stick. The bees should move upwards into their new home. Once you are sure the queen is in the new hive: The ugly way is to break the box and cut up the combs and fix them into frames, recover the queen and put her into the hive. Otherwise: cover the new hive with a queen excluder. On top put 2 deep supers with the birdhouse in it. You will have to find a way to raise the birdhouse on top of the excluder leaving a space for them to get through making sure the excluder is not put under any stress from the weight of the birdhouse. Leave it for 24 days for the brood to be born. As the brood emerges it is replaced by fresh honey. To recover this, you will have to separate the new hive (lower) from the birdhouse with a hive cover with a hole through which the bees will creep up and steal back all their honey, which they will use to build their new combs. A problem with all this is that during the 24 days, the bees may raise queen cells on their old combs. "Vedi un po'" (see what to make of it) Kate and George Poggio Mirteto From bees@bigfoot.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.IT.net!usenet From: George or Kate Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:31:33 -0700 Organization: ITnet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <324612A5.6429@bigfoot.com> References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: prmts1-04.pn.itnet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) -@-. wrote: > > My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He > says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this > taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. > > Thanks, please post replies. The wax combs that bees put honey in are attacked by a moth, related to the moth which attacks clothes. Some bright spark obviously decided to combat this moth using ordinary moth balls. Our advice is not to eat this honey. Kate & George Poggio Mirteto From jcking@enter.net Fri Sep 27 14:58:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!news.enter.net!usenet From: James King Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: List of Honey Wholesaler Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 17:03:03 -0400 Organization: King Apiaries Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3245A987.1648@enter.net> Reply-To: jcking@enter.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp60.enter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Recently there was a message from Marc seeking wholesale honey sources in the Lehigh Valley (PA). My message to his e-mail address, golfdrvr@aol.com was returned. If someone knows who Marc is or if Marc reads this, please respond to me at the above e-mail address or call me, Jim King, 610-346-8408. I have some information regarding honey suppliers. Thank you. From chiemer@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chiemer@aol.com (Chiemer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees and their behavior..... Date: 22 Sep 1996 18:46:39 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 26 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <524fkf$ou5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <51pppc$ib8@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: chiemer@aol.com (Chiemer) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Dear Dedicated Gumbo Cook: I am pretty sure that the bumblebees were disturbed by viabrations, perhaps their nest was disturbed by your foot traffic on the deck which may have been shaking the foundations of their home inside your home. Generally, you will find bumblebees will mind their own business and are generally shy unless threatened. In Canada we use thousands of commercially reared colonies to pollinate greenhouse tomatoes from January till September. They usually never bother the greenhouse employees who work side by side with them. At this time of year, in nature, bumblebee colonies are reaching their peak size and are likely to be aggressive when their nest is disturbed. Hence you found a number of bumblebees giving you a warning on the deck. Enjoy your bumblebees, I do, they are paying for my home and giving me an interesting job. Best regards, Chris Hiemstra Kingsville, Ontario, Canada Email - Chiemer@Aol.com From WQGW10A@prodigy.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:42 EDT 1996 Article: 5612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: WQGW10A@prodigy.com (Richard Gilmore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: planting clover Date: 22 Sep 1996 22:56:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <524g7f$1ucq@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I am thinking about continuing a family tradition of beekeeping, but I don't care for the honey here in my home state of Louisiana as most I have tasted is very dark. I have 8 acres of pasture and am thinking of planting clover to improve the pasture anyway and fix more nitrogen in the soil. Would 8 acres of clover be enough to change the type of honey a small group of hives would produce? Thanks - RICHARD GILMORE WQGW10A@prodigy.com From ajdel@interramp.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!psinntp!interramp.com!ip76.herndon2.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: 22 Sep 1996 22:52:59 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <524g0b$lnd@usenet10.interramp.com> References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.2.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:52:56 GMT In article <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> , -@-. writes: >y dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He >says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this >taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. The only explanations I can offer strongly suggest that the honey not be consumed. It can't be very pleasant anyway. Apiarists are bothered by moths which lay their eggs internal to the hive. The larvae consume the wax (these creatures are called "wax moths") and are a real nuisance where comb must be stored out of the hive or the hive is weak. Small scale operators usually simply store spare comb cold so the moths can't hatch but some use chemicals (p-chloro dibenzene I think). Contamination of the honey with this' stuff shouldn't happen but perhaps it did. Apirarists also use menthol to control trachael mites. This should not contaminate the honey either as it is required that it be removed before the commencement of a honey flow. I suppose one might find the smell of menthol somewhat like moth balls. I'd go back to the supplier with the sample in hand and demand an explanation from him. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: 23 Sep 1996 00:28:20 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <524lj4$1e9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, <-@-.> wrote: > > My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He >says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this >taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. Hey don't eat anymore of it. :-( Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From paulc@silcom.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.silcom.com!pm00-16.sb2.silcom.com!user From: paulc@silcom.com (Paul M. Cronshaw, D.C.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeders Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 17:56:21 +0100 Organization: Milpas Chiropractic Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm00-16.sb2.silcom.com Looks like I may have shorted my bees on wintering honey, and it is a few months before the Blue Gums flower. Which works better for winter feeding: Feeder Pails, division board feeders (91/8 or 6 5/8) or Boardman Entrance Feeders? What is the formula for sugar water? Paul Cronshaw DC Hobby Beekeeper Santa BArbara, CA -- Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro paulc@silcom.com From bees@bigfoot.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:46 EDT 1996 Article: 5616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.IT.net!usenet From: George or Kate Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting over Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:48:51 -0700 Organization: ITnet Lines: 40 Message-ID: <324616B3.BF5@bigfoot.com> References: <523kve$pni@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: prmts1-04.pn.itnet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) To: Edward Warren Edward Warren wrote: > > I have now lost my two hives to varoa mites for a second time. The first > time > was 3 years ago. I burned all of my equipment, got new kits for > Christmas > and restarted. It was my fault that not everything was done to prevent > the > varoa from causing so much harm, but I did leave all of the honey that > the > bees made last summer in the hive. They did not survive the winter. > > I plan to try once more and I plan to use all of the strategies that are > available to me this time. There are some things about which I am unsure. > > Do I really need to burn all of the old equipment, or can some of it be > reused? > Is there a particular strain of honey bees which I should seek out next > spring? How important is it for me to find a completely different > location > for the new hives? > > Thank you, > Edward Warren Unless there are secondary diseases, there is no need to destroy them. Often varroa carries other diseases on it, and brings them into the bees bodies' directly. Also when the brood is heavily infested, the larva die before being born, and diseases can multiply. So you must destroy the combs from the brood chamber, and if necessary sterilise the inside of the hive with a flame. You do not need to change location for the hives. Note that the amount of honey you leave them, and their location does not influence the varroa. We have never heard of varroa resistant bees on the market, but maybe in USA things are different. Even if there are, you must still treat your bees. Since you have few hives, use the method of cutting the drone brood before it is born. It is a valid method for keeping the level of varroa under emergency level during the honey period, and can be treated in time after the supers are removed. Kate & George Poggio Mirteto From amro@batelco.com.bh Fri Sep 27 14:58:47 EDT 1996 Article: 5617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.omnes.net!news.batelco.com.bh!news From: "A. Galal" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farm Management Service Co. Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:57:33 +0300 Organization: Batelco Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3246C17D.395B@batelco.com.bh> Reply-To: amro@batelco.com.bh NNTP-Posting-Host: as11p08.access.batelco.com.bh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:6030 alt.agriculture.fruit:3546 sci.agriculture:13985 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5617 Please advise for Farm Management Services companies. Best Regards. From ahlmon1961@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:48 EDT 1996 Article: 5618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless again? Date: 23 Sep 1996 14:03:37 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 22 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <526jdp$fpl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hi; About a month ago I introduced a buckfast queen. I got worried whe I could not locate her after about 10 days had elapsed. I found her upon a further inspection. She had started laying in a honey super (deep) at the top of the stack. At this point she was in uppermost brood chamber (3rd) and so I figured that she would go on down . I installed an excluder just so she wouldn't go back up and I'd leave that top super on for the bees to continue honey storage. This was about 3 weeks ago. Today I went in to feed terra brood and discovered that bottom two boxes were full of bees but no new brood. the same was true for the uppermost brood chamber (although there was plenty of honey there.) It appeared that only a small number of capped cells remained. My queen was big and marked and clipped. Am I not seeing her? Is it possible that in 3 weeks a majority of brood emerged and now the queen has not resumed laying? There are no drones eitheror very few. About a week ago I reduced entrance which meant I took hives down to bottom board but I did not actually get into the frames. I wonder what to do now? How long should I wait to check again? What is my best course of action since we are fast approaching cold weather up here in Minnesota? Al. From bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca Fri Sep 27 14:58:49 EDT 1996 Article: 5619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!cunews!superior!bhetheri From: bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca (Brian Hetherington) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping--antibiotics Date: 23 Sep 1996 18:25:54 GMT Organization: Carleton University Lines: 4 Message-ID: <526kni$mml@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: superior.carleton.ca NNTP-Posting-User: bhetheri X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] -- Brian. H. From tmlee1@ualr.edu Fri Sep 27 14:58:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ou.edu!news.ualr.edu!news From: Timothy Lee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grass cutting around hive Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:15:32 -0700 Organization: UALR Arkansas SBDC Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.167.108.122 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Question: I'm planning to locate a bee hive in my backyard behind a greenhouse. I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or motors. What are the problems and solutions for keeping the grass mowed and the weeds at bay? -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Timothy M. Lee Voice: (501) 324-9043 UALR Arkansas SBDC Fax: (501) 324-9049 100 S. Main St, Suite 401 E-mail: tmlee1@ualr.edu Little Rock, Arkansas 72201 http://www.ualr.edu/~tmlee1/ "Chance favors the prepared mind" - L. Pasteur From rboosey@aol.com@primenet.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:50 EDT 1996 Article: 5621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: rboosey@aol.com@primenet.com (Richard Boosey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: 23 Sep 1996 13:25:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <526rmt$asg@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> Reply-To: rboosey@aol.com@primenet.com X-Posted-By: @198.68.46.174 (boosey) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Timothy Lee wrote: >Question: I'm planning to locate a bee hive in my backyard behind a >greenhouse. I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or >motors. What are the problems and solutions for keeping the grass mowed >and the weeds at bay? >-- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Timothy M. Lee Voice: (501) 324-9043 > UALR Arkansas SBDC Fax: (501) 324-9049 > 100 S. Main St, Suite 401 E-mail: tmlee1@ualr.edu > Little Rock, Arkansas 72201 http://www.ualr.edu/~tmlee1/ > Tim, I had three hives in a yard area and cut the grass using a string trimmer rather than try to get near them with either a riding mower or a gas motor. I tried to come at the hive from the sides rather than walk directly up to it. One suggestion is that you shield the hive in such a manner that the bees have to go up before they fly out. We used shrubs that forced them about 7 feet in the air. Actually watching them fly directly to an alfalfa field across the road was very interesting. There were two flight paths, one out and the other back in. By getting them to go up first, you prevent the potential sting caused by someone walking into a bee's flight path. Rich From BDFH99A@prodigy.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:51 EDT 1996 Article: 5622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: 22 Sep 1996 05:20:04 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> <51vb3e$cu2@pegasus.interpac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap4-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. And so my question would be: when starting new colonies with undrawn foundation, is it allright to begin with nine frames only? The same question would apply to honey supers as well. From ajdel@interramp.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:52 EDT 1996 Article: 5623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing Propolis Date: 21 Sep 1996 15:18:41 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <51vart$1cl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.241.88 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:19:39 GMT Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. In article <51vart$1cl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> DVERVILLE, dverville@aol.com writes: >Using another "terry" cloth I put some methanol on it and gently > rubbed it on the areas stained with propolis. While I have never tried to clean propolis I have noted that it is "soluble" in ethanol and propanol, both of which are more readily available than methanol. Propolis actually contains an alcohol soluble and alcohol insoluble fraction. When the soluble part is dissolved, the isoluble part is freed as a suspension and can be wiped away. As most of you know propolis bcomes very brittle when cold so that it can be easily chipped away from most surfaces. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:53 EDT 1996 Article: 5624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: St. Ambrose Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 00:36:00 GMT Message-ID: Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. *All you ever wanted to know on St. Ambrosius.. From: "Paul van Westendorp Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:24:05 -0700 Re. St Ambrose & the Bees Ted Wout, Bill Hughes and others made reference to St. Ambrose (=St. Ambrosius). We now have a pretty clear picture of what the man did in the fourth century in northern Italy. To Roman Catholics, the most significant fact was that St Ambrosius excommunicated the Pope following the massacre as mentioned before. To beekeepers, St. Ambrosius became their Patron Saint because of the legend that when he was a baby resting in some cradle, a swarm of bees apparently landed on his chest without causing any harm. (Of course, the legend does not explain what happened eventually with the swarm). It is this legend that led to the practise in various European countries to pay homage to St. Ambrosius every year. At county fairs and other festivals, the homage was displayed by bee bearding (as we still do today, often in the presence of public media) and the display of specially woven hive bodies in the shape of a bishop, or a bishops hat. Keep in mind that beekeepers traditionally kept bees in skeps made of straw. Even today, we still use the image of the skep on many honey labels because it is a symbol of industrious bees producing this pure, wholesome food. For the very experienced weavers the creation of a St. Ambrosius hive was a real challenge and proof of their skill. St. Ambrosius hives can still be found in museums in Europe. Paul van Westendorp pvanwesten@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Provincial Apiarist British Columbia --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM From ajdel@interramp.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:54 EDT 1996 Article: 5625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and young babies Date: 21 Sep 1996 15:12:59 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <96092007184084@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.241.88 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:13:57 GMT Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. In article <96092007184084@beenet.com> Ronald Smith, ronald.smith@beenet.com writes: >Is it true and how often does this occur? I gave all 5 of my children >honey on their pacifiers, and did not have problems, (the youngest is >now 18 years old with no apparent health problems.) C. botulinum spores are found in soil everywhere and, as this is the case, some find their way into honey where they lie dormant until placed in an anaerobic environment where they can germinate. Germination cannot take place above a certain pH (don't have the number handy but if I remember correctly it's around 3.2). An infant's stomach is above this pH for the first few months of its life so that the bacterium can grow and release it's toxin. As honey has been shown to contain the spoors it has been, rightly or wrongly, blamed for cases of infant botulism. I beleive instances where honey has been _proven_ to have bee responsible are very rare. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 14:58:55 EDT 1996 Article: 5626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: overwintering double queen hives. Date: 22 Sep 1996 05:43:29 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <5226ab$f2i@star.epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line278.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:5226ab$f2i@star.epix.net Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. There is quite a science to two queen hives, and you might like to know that it is a situation often created on purpose for the cause of getting more honey. Literature on the item suggests that you create a two queen colony in early spring, by keeping two colonies on the same base but with a solid board between them. Before the honey flow, the board is removed and replaced with a queen excluder, and the hives united via a piece of newspaper. In theory, you end up with twice as many bees in one hive, so get lots more honey, and both queens are accepted. There is an art to doing this correctly. In any case, I never had much luck with it, get my quota of honey as it is. But a suggestion might be to keep one queen excluder between them and see how that works out. What did you plan to do with the second excluder? In closing, I found myself with a two queen hive one day, and two entrances, top and bottom had been allowed, for some reason , a queen got into the top entrance, or was made there, and just did her thing along with the other queen below an excluder. From steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk Fri Sep 27 14:58:56 EDT 1996 Article: 5627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Robin Chapman Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:24:28 GMT Message-ID: Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Distribution: world Lines: 11 Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. Hello Robin, Ref: Robin Chapman. Are you on the Internet (Beecraft Sept 1996) Could I have you're email address please reply to beeman@amigabee.org.uk Cheers Steve Beenet the computer network for Beekeepers.Email info@amigabee.org.uk ... Platinum Xpress! It's hot! From ajaah@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:58:57 EDT 1996 Article: 5628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ajaah@aol.com (AJAAH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB small extractor Date: 23 Sep 1996 17:37:39 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <526vv3$knm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ajaah@aol.com (AJAAH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'd like to buy a small honey extractor. If you know of one for sale please E-Mail me. Thanks ,John From amro@batelco.com.bh Fri Sep 27 14:58:58 EDT 1996 Article: 5629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: "Amr G. F. Ahmed" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interest in Agri-business in Egypt Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:36:59 +0300 Organization: Omnes - A Schlumbergr / Cable & Wireless Co. Lines: 5 Message-ID: Reply-To: amro@batelco.com.bh NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.188.98.91 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:3553 alt.sustainable.agriculture:14969 sci.agriculture:14001 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:5629 Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. Any information about organizations or businessmen interested in financing joint agricultural business in Egypt's productive arid land ? Please advise. Thanks From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:58:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting over Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:58:25 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <523kve$pni@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <523kve$pni@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, Edward Warren writes >I have now lost my two hives to varoa mites for a second time. The first >time >was 3 years ago. I burned all of my equipment, got new kits for >Christmas >and restarted. It was my fault that not everything was done to prevent >the >varoa from causing so much harm, but I did leave all of the honey that >the >bees made last summer in the hive. They did not survive the winter. > >I plan to try once more and I plan to use all of the strategies that are >available to me this time. There are some things about which I am unsure. > >Do I really need to burn all of the old equipment, or can some of it be >reused? >Is there a particular strain of honey bees which I should seek out next >spring? How important is it for me to find a completely different >location >for the new hives? > > Thank you, > Edward Warren I am assuming that you live in the U.K. If you have any concerns regarding disease within your beehives then you should contact your local Bees Officer who will be happy to give advice and examine your hives at no cost to yourself. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers Association South Wales U.K. > -- Graham Loveridge From graham@exonia.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:58:59 EDT 1996 Article: 5631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!exonia.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Loveridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:52:42 +0100 Organization: cyber-sun Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: exonia.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, -@-.? writes > > My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He >says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this >taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. > >Thanks, please post replies. I would think that the honey could have been filled into a dirty or contaminated jar, or perhaps the beekeeper used moth balls to clear wax moth when there was still honey in the hive. If you have any remaining then you should get it checked by the pulbic analyst as the producer could be prosecuted for selling a contaminated foodstuff. Graham Loveridge Gwent Beekeepers' Association South Wales U.K. > -- Graham Loveridge From worrell@cbl.cees.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:00 EDT 1996 Article: 5632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!iag.net!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.ums.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.edu!cbl.cees.edu!worrell From: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: overwintering double queen hives. Date: 24 Sep 1996 00:38:37 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <527aid$41c@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: <5226ab$f2i@star.epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] jim (jim@epix.net) wrote: : Hello. : I have a weak hive (came from a late swarm) that I am going to combine : with another hive. I have read that it is possible to have a hive with : _two_ queens - provided that they are separated by 2 queen excluders. : I would like to find out if : : a:) anyone has had success with 2 queen hives (as far as their honey : collection over the season goes. which for me it is obviously too late : this year - perhaps next year...) : b:) anyone has overwintered such hives and if there is any benefit or : detriment to such hives : Thanks, : Jim (jim@epix.net) Jim, The use of two queen excluders doesn't make sense. What you need is a double screen to **Prevent the workers from passing queen pheremone back and forth** That is essential. As long as the 2 sections are independent, they can survive. The heat from the stronger LOWER colony (make sure it is below) will help conserve the energy of the weaker colony. Also make sure the upper colony has an entrance. A friend of mine had a nucleus colony >from an observation hive survive in this configuration and did extremely well the following year. Have you requeened the weaker colony to make sure you get a good strong group of bees to overwinter? Also feed with sugar syrup to buid up the stores. [my double screen is similar to a reduced entrance bottom board with two large holes cut in the floor. Window screen on both sides provides for the air/heat transfer but prevents bees from passing anything thru. Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. From stjohn@interpac.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:01 EDT 1996 Article: 5633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: stjohn@interpac.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: 20 Sep 1996 23:58:38 GMT Organization: Inter-Pacific Networks Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-s14.interpac.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. I decided to steal 1 frame of honey > from this super and space out the remaining 9 using a frame rake. There > was also a lot of bridge comb between the bottom & upper brood supers. > When I tried to remove the upper for a peak down below, this comb was > broken and honey ran everywhere. > Peter Wolfe Brentwood, CA (Contra Costa County, no OJ) I suspect what you did wrong was space full capped frames. If you space emptied frames they will draw the cells deepeer and not think about burr comb. I guess they just weren't about to remove thwe cappings and make the cells deeper. From jim@epix.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:02 EDT 1996 Article: 5634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: jim@epix.net (jim) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: overwintering double queen hives. Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:57:52 GMT Organization: epix.net Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp66.epix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. Hello. I have a weak hive (came from a late swarm) that I am going to combine with another hive. I have read that it is possible to have a hive with _two_ queens - provided that they are separated by 2 queen excluders. I would like to find out if : a:) anyone has had success with 2 queen hives (as far as their honey collection over the season goes. which for me it is obviously too late this year - perhaps next year...) b:) anyone has overwintered such hives and if there is any benefit or detriment to such hives Thanks, Jim (jim@epix.net) From mjever@southwind.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:03 EDT 1996 Article: 5635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: Mike Everhart Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: science project Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:49:36 -0700 Organization: SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: onyx.southwind.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. I am a science teacher and am wondering if there are any bee hives that can be placed against a 2nd story classroom window so that the kids can watch the bees. I would appreciate any help/information. Thanks! Pam From dverville@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:04 EDT 1996 Article: 5636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: dverville@aol.com (DVERVILLE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing Propolis Date: 20 Sep 1996 19:54:37 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 53 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: Reply-To: dverville@aol.com (DVERVILLE) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. Over the past several weeks there has been some discussions on different ways to remove propolis. I sat by the computer just waiting for the secrets to be revealed. Naptha was mentioned as well as several others. I have tried lighter fluid in the past and it never really seemed to do a good enough job. There was always some that remained. I was looking for that one chemical that would quickly and safely remove all of it! I was very interested due to the fact that for several years I have had observation hives that by the fall the "glass" is quite dirty and distracting. Judges at the fair have commented that a dirty hive loses points. To remove the propolis I have tried several different chemicals, some with varying success but none that were truly effective in removing all of the propolis. However, just recently I have found a readily available chemical that quickly removes even the heaviest deposits. I tried it on all the different acrylics I have used over the years as well as on glass itself. I tried it on the linoleum floors what "I" stained years ago. I even cleaned my hardwood observation hive with it. Same results! The propolis is totally removed! The acrylics are as clean as the day I removed the paper wrapping! I could bottle this stuff and retire tommorow! However, some things are just too important not to share! Here's what I did. 1) I removed the heaviest deposits of wax and propolis using a scraper. (Caution! Don't bear down hard on the scraper, just enough pressure to remove the heavy layers. Just kind of go along with the scraper, letting it do the work.) 2) With a hair dryer set on HOT, I heated the remaining traces of wax and rub them off using a soft "terry" type cloth. 3) Using another "terry" cloth I put some methanol on it and gently rubbed it on the areas stained with propolis. Not very much is needed and it quickly removes the propolis. Use a light source to reflect off the glass to see the smallest spots. 4) After the glass, acrylic or wood is cleaned, any general purpose window cleaner will remove the haze that remains. (Methanol is available at ALL auto part stores! Just buy a can of GAS LINE ANTI-FREEZE!) 5) When you tell your friends about it, just mention my name! Dave Verville VP Essex County Beekeepers Assoc. Beekeeping since 1844 Topsfield MA. dverville@lucent.com PS: Please read the can! This fluid is extremely flamable and fuels From hummer@prysm.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:05 EDT 1996 Article: 5637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.midusa.net!news From: hummer@prysm.com (Stanley F. Hummr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Page Date: 24 Sep 1996 02:54:20 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 5 Message-ID: <527igs$9h81@news.midusa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.155.72.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 There is a new beekeeping page on the net. It contains links to many other beekeeping related pages, along with some intersting information. http://www.ciai.net/~whummer From hummer@prysm.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.midusa.net!news From: hummer@prysm.com (Stanley F. Hummer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: 24 Sep 1996 02:58:18 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 15 Message-ID: <527ioa$9h82@news.midusa.net> References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.155.72.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, -@-. says... > > > My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He >says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this >taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. > >Thanks, please post replies. > The answer to your question is that honey can taste like moth balls. Many beekeepers use a chemical called para-dichlorobenze or paramoth. It is similar to moth balls you can buy at the store. This taste can be there if the beekeeper placed this crystal on the honey supers to keep the moths out before he can extract them. From cdg1@concentric.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:06 EDT 1996 Article: 5639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: cdg1@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting over Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:26:58 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <527rs6$515@herald.concentric.net> References: <523kve$pni@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057037.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >From what I have read and learned , the mites die out soon after their "hosts" (the bees) are all dead. The mites cannot survive without the bees, and die out on their own. You can then put a new batch of bees into the hive within a couple of weeks - be sure to seal the hive to prevent other parasites from entering, ie mice, moths etc. Burning "all of you equipment" is not necessary. Location is unimportant - mites will find your hive, traveling on feral bees that join your hive. Read the recent postings about essential oils as a treatment for mites ! Charles KPNF84A@prodigy.com (Edward Warren) wrote: >I have now lost my two hives to varoa mites for a second time. The first >time >was 3 years ago. I burned all of my equipment, got new kits for >Christmas >and restarted. It was my fault that not everything was done to prevent >the >varoa from causing so much harm, but I did leave all of the honey that >the >bees made last summer in the hive. They did not survive the winter. >I plan to try once more and I plan to use all of the strategies that are >available to me this time. There are some things about which I am unsure. >Do I really need to burn all of the old equipment, or can some of it be >reused? >Is there a particular strain of honey bees which I should seek out next >spring? How important is it for me to find a completely different >location >for the new hives? > Thank you, > Edward Warren From an563795@anon.penet.fi Fri Sep 27 14:59:07 EDT 1996 Article: 5640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Patrick McGuire" Subject: Exterminating Bumblebees/Carpenter Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bba9d4$c090da20$213468ce@ns.acadiacom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.52.33 Date: 24 Sep 96 04:56:25 GMT Lines: 5 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!scnews.sc.intel.com!itnews.sc.intel.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.acadiacom.net! A neighbor is having quite a time with some Bumblebees and wanted to know what might be the most efficient way of exterminating them. Frankly, I would rather tell him some way of driving them out and away from where they are nesting. Any suggestions? From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:08 EDT 1996 Article: 5641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: 24 Sep 1996 03:48:53 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 29 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <5283p5$6q1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, -@-. writes: > My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He >says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this >taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. > > One possibility: Is it very light, almost white honey? Pure basswood (linden) honey has a very sharp taste, and this is greatly intensified and degraded, if it is heated. Basswood honey is almost water white. It is produced in the northeast, and upper Great Lakes, with some spotty stands down through the Appalachians. If the basswood is cut with about 80% clover or other light flavored honey, it will be a pleasant, minty taste (assuming no heating). But by itself, it is just too strong for my taste, and many others. There may be other plants that are similar, with natural menthol (or whatever this taste component is.) I got a jar of very sharp white honey one time from a deep-south beekeeper (where basswood doesn't grow). He assured me it was local. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:59:09 EDT 1996 Article: 5642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robin Chapman Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:15:18 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article , Steven Turner writes > >Ref: Robin Chapman. Are you on the Internet (Beecraft Sept 1996) > >Could I have you're email address please reply to beeman@amigabee.org.uk > I'm posting to the newsgroup as others in the UK may have the same question; Beecraft having inexplicably removing his email. I manged to track him down and I'm not sure he's got round to newsgroups yet. -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Sep 27 14:59:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: overwintering double queen hives. Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 13:09:45 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 27 Message-ID: <528mk7$1k4@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp29.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >I have a weak hive (came from a late swarm) that I am going to combine >with another hive. I have read that it is possible to have a hive with >_two_ queens - provided that they are separated by 2 queen excluders. >I would like to find out if : > b:) anyone has overwintered such hives and if there is any benefit or >detriment to such hives The usuefulness of any answer to this question is entirely dependant on where you live. Unfortunately people ask questions like this and forget to mention their location. Whether you live in Australia, Russia, Florida, England, or the Northwest Territories will determine whether you stand a prayer of success. In my area you would not stand a chance, but maybe it can work elsewhere. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art From goomba@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:10 EDT 1996 Article: 5644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: goomba@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:31:17 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <528nr5$eo8@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.middletown-02.va.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) I have a few hives around my property. I found that as long as you pass quickly by the openings, you usually dont attract attention. Just be sure to point the grass thrower away from the hive openings. Also in times of heavy activity, I will wait till the evening to mow around the hives. Or.....keep a bee screen on your head untill you get more comfortable with the mowing From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Sep 27 14:59:11 EDT 1996 Article: 5645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Converting 10frames to 9 Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:58:13 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 12 Message-ID: <528pdl$8tj@news.sandia.gov> References: <4vr870$quc@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) If you are going to convert from 9 to 10 frames, you should do the entire hive at one time. If you mix 9 and 10 frame boxes you will get a lot of burr comb where there is a vertical mismatch in the frames. I have had problems trying to get 9 frame hives with foundation drawn out correctly. The bees tend to build comb between the sheets of foundation. I have not had any problem with starting 10 frames and once drawn/filled, then converting to 9 frames. Victor C. Rimkus vcrimku@sandia.gov From swhl@itl.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:12 EDT 1996 Article: 5646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!insnet.net!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:15:44 -0852 Organization: Supernet Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3148ED00.5A3C@itl.net> References: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> <526rmt$asg@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Richard Boosey wrote: > > Timothy Lee wrote: > > >Question: I'm planning to locate a bee hive in my backyard behind a > >greenhouse. I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or > >motors. What are the problems and solutions for keeping the grass mowed > >and the weeds at bay? > >-- > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Timothy M. Lee Voice: (501) 324-9043 > > UALR Arkansas SBDC Fax: (501) 324-9049 > > 100 S. Main St, Suite 401 E-mail: tmlee1@ualr.edu > > Little Rock, Arkansas 72201 http://www.ualr.edu/~tmlee1/ > > > Tim, I had three hives in a yard area and cut the grass using a string > trimmer rather than try to get near them with either a riding mower or > a gas motor. I tried to come at the hive from the sides rather than > walk directly up to it. > > One suggestion is that you shield the hive in such a manner that the > bees have to go up before they fly out. We used shrubs that forced > them about 7 feet in the air. Actually watching them fly directly to > an alfalfa field across the road was very interesting. There were two > flight paths, one out and the other back in. By getting them to go up > first, you prevent the potential sting caused by someone walking into > a bee's flight path. > > Rich We use a strimmer after they've gone to bed! From swhl@itl.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:13 EDT 1996 Article: 5647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!insnet.net!news.insnet.net!news.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tastes like moth balls.. Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:22:32 -0852 Organization: Supernet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3148EE98.3F8E@itl.net> References: <523oq2$lcd@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) -@-. wrote: > > My dad bought a jar of honey that tastes like moth balls to me. He > says im crazy because he can't taste it. Is there any reason for this > taste to be there. It was so strong it almost made made me sick. > > Thanks, please post replies. Could the beekeepers have over-used the wax moth crystals? Usually these evaporate during over-wintering of the supers but I don't know if a residue could linger. Otherwise, could the bees have fed on something tasting strongly of acetone. i.e. pear tree blossom? From drgonfly@ultranet.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:14 EDT 1996 Article: 5648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How many supers should a hive overwinter as? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:06:16 -0700 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <32485B58.2C67@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Hi. I have a new hive with two deep supers and one shallow which I will harvest. Is this enough to overwinter. Next year, how many deep supers tall should I build it up to? Thanx Marc Andelman From jgreaser@falcon.lhup.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:15 EDT 1996 Article: 5649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!grove.iup.edu!jake.esu.edu!falcon.lhup.edu!jgreaser Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing Propolis Message-ID: From: FREAK'N'U Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:31:54 -0400 References: <51vart$1cl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.lhup.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: DVERVILLE In-Reply-To: <51vart$1cl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Lines: 15 I am a student at Lock Haven University in Pennsylvania. I am currently enrolled in the Professional Semester of Elementary Education, and as part of this semester, we are asked to do a learning center ona particular science topic. I have chosen bees and beekeeping as my topic and so, I am writing to all the subscribers for suggestions on where to find information about bees, the major points that elementary students should know about bees and beekeeping, and how to find actual pieces of honey comb and other bee products such as royal jelly and pollen. I would also like to know where I could get some full-color photos of bees and hives. Any information would be incredibly helpful!!!!!!! Thank You, Jenn Greaser From bees@bigfoot.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!news.IT.net!usenet From: George & Kate Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cutting Drone Brood - Michele Campero's technique Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:12:33 -0700 Organization: ITnet Lines: 87 Message-ID: <3248DB61.7C06@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: prmts1-04.pn.itnet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Varroa mites are attracted by the drone brood, just before the cell is capped (7 - 9th day). If this brood is removed before hatching, the varroa are also removed. So the technique we use was developed by Michele Campero. It consists of a an empty comb frame split into 3 vertical sections using thin strips of wood. I shall try to illustrate this in a design: -+---------------------------+- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------+----------+-------+ The point is to allow the bees to build drone combs, 1 per week, in each section, which will be built, layed in, and the 3rd week, cut off by the beekeeper. Put the frame, with 2 of its sections closed by a wooden panel, to the side of the brood (between the combs containing brood, and the end ones containing honey). This should be done 2-3 weeks before the swarm period, when the bees are beginning to build wax. Every week, one new section should be opened. Once they are all open, the oldest should contain capped drone brood (and the varroa that this has attracted), and should be cut away, and so on... This system also tells you when they are about to swarm. Each week extract the frame, and see what they built in the last section, and if necessary, open a new section by removing a wooden panel, or cutting the 3 week old comb. - If they are intending to swarm they will build drone cells. - If they are not thinking of swarming, they will build worker cells. - If they are not building wax, usually the family is weak or orphan, or its simply too early for them (bad weather ?). Wait another week before opening a new section. - If they are building swarm cells (or supersceding cells), it is likely that they will build one in this space, - a few days before swarming, they will stop building wax completely - if they built the section thouroughly very quickly, it may be good to add a waxsheet and remove a honey comb, to allow them to build. Otherwise they might be encouraged to swarm. Note: If there is a comb section that contains 3 week old drone brood, it MUST be cut off to remove the varroa. Typically, during the swarm period, when you check one of these frames you see last weeks comb, usually not fully built and with young uncapped larva, the 2 week old comb containing freshly capped drone cells (often a few are still being capped) and the cappings are lighter in colour. The 3 week old comb has darker cappings. This rotation is important to ensure that the varroa always have a chance to find a few drone larva of 7-9 days of age. After the swarm period, they will eventually stop laying drones, and start laying worker brood in the combs, or they will use them for honey. These combs are to be left for the next year. The frame should be gradually be moved to the end o the brood chamber, and left there to be introduced next sping. If opening the hives every week is a problem, the frame can be done in 2 sections, and inspected and cut every 10-12 days. This is slightly less efficient than the 3 section system. Some beekeepers use a quick and ugly method of using a super frame, with no waxsheet or wire. This is half the height of the brood chamber, so the bees have 2 sections: they build a comb inside the frame, and another hanging under it. But this is too much space to obtain a nice comb in 10 days. An advantage of supplying a drone brood frameis that they will not ruin the other waxsheets by building drone cells on the worker cell pattern since they have the empty space to do what they want with. The latest frames I made, I reduced the height of the sections, by adding another section along the top of the original 3, in which I wired a strip of waxsheet (one third of the height). This is because the bees put honey above the drone cells, and when we cut the combs, the honey spills and annoys them. This system controls the varroa level only during the swarm period. This means that the varroa level remains low until the end of summer. It is better to treat the bees when the temperature is more moderate, and they have something to work on. (Here in Italy in august it gets very hot and dry). -- George & Kate Poggio Mirteto From jerrya@borg.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:16 EDT 1996 Article: 5651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns2.borg.com!usenet From: JerryA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shortening Patties Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:36:50 -0400 Organization: Borg Lines: 5 Message-ID: <32486282.3A19@borg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: l7.borg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) Does anyone know how to make a Crisco based patty that controls mites? What medication is added and how much? Thanks, Jerry A From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:17 EDT 1996 Article: 5652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Story from down under! Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <96092216035794@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 134 The Moon's Reward [T] wo brothers were looking for honey. Their search led them a long distance, but at last they found a bee's nest in a hollow tree. The bees were flying in and out of a hole in the trunk several feet from the ground. "There will be a fine supply of honey here," one of the brothers said. "No one has been here before. Put your hand inside and pull it out." "No," his brother replied. "Your arms are longer than mine. You pull it out." "My skin is not as hard as yours. I would get badly stung." "And what about me? Do you think the bees will leave me alone? Anyway, you are the oldest. It is only right that you should show me how to get the honey out of the tree." "Yes, I am older than you, and as you are the younger brother, I tell you to get it. If you don't, I'll set about you with my club, and then you can tell me whether bee stings are worse than waddy blows." The younger brother gave way and gingerly thrust his hand into the hole, blocking it completely. The bees were puzzled. They buzzed round trying to find an entrance, but made no attempt to sting the honey thief. "I can't feel any honey," he said. "Only bees crawling over my fingers." "Put your arm right in, man," his brother urged. "The honey is sure to be farther down the trunk." The young man pressed hard against the hole of the tree and thrust his arm down to its fullest extent. "I can just touch the honey," he exclaimed. "It is sticky on my fingers." "Then pull it out!" "I can't. I can touch it, but I can't get my fingers round it. It's too far down." "Oh you are a fool. Why didn't I do it myself!" "Because you were frightened of the bees, elder brother. Now you know that they won't hurt you, perhaps you would like to try for yourself." He began to pull his arm out of the hole. It had been a very tight squeeze getting it in, but by now his arm was swollen and covered with honey. "I can't get it out," he complained. "My elbow is stuck and it hurts." His brother caught hold of his other arm and began to pull. "Stop! Stop!" the young man shouted. "You're hurting me!" "It'll hurt more before I'm finished with you. I can't leave you like this, and anyway I want my honey." He began to jerk savagely, holding on to his brother's arm with both hands and pressing his feet against the trunk of the tree. The young brother, who was little more than a boy, began to scream with pain. The elder brother let go and sat to think. "I will get other people to help. If we all pull at once we'll have your arm out before you know where you are." "No, no," pleaded the other. "I think you have broken it already. You'll have to find some other way." "Very well. I'll go and get help. There may be some wise man who can tell us a better way to free you." There were a number of hunters on the plain. He ran swiftly from one to another, telling them what happened, and begging them to help, but they were too intent on their tasks and refused abruptly. Some said they were sorry and would come later, others w ere angry and drove him away because he was frightening the game, and some thought it was all a huge joke. The only one who could help was a round-faced man named Moon. "Where is he?" asked Moon. "I think I know what to do. Take me to him." When they got to the tree, the poor young man was dangling helplessly by his arm and almost unconscious. Moon climbed nimbly into the branches of the tree and found the hollow shaft below him. He put his head right inside and gave a tremendous sneeze. The imprisoned arm was blown out of the hole, followed by a cloud of angry bees and a large quantity of honey. The three men sat down to eat. The two brothers were angry because the other hunters had refused to help, and they plotted vengeance. "The wind is blowing towards them, and there is a lot of dry grass about," the younger brother suggested. "Don't do it," Moon begged. "You may find yourselves in trouble if you try to burn them up." "We won't do that," the elder brother said, rubbing the hard edge of his woomera on a dry log. "We'll smoke them out and drive the game farther away." A wisp of smoke came from the log. He blew the tinder and fed the tiny flame with wisps of grass until the wind fanned it to a blaze. The fire spread quickly, but the wind shifted and started to blow towards them. The three men turned and ran, but the fire gained on them. Moon stumbled and fell flat on his face. "He helped us, now we must help him," younger brother gasped. The brothers turned to Moon, seized an arm and a foot on either side, and swung him backwards and forwards, higher and higher. When they released him, he shot up into the sky. The brothers kept on running until they were lost to sight, even to Moon, who liked his new home in the sky so much that he has remained there ever since. This story comes to us from the land down under. G'day. From: http://www.mastercard.com/Stories/moon.htm --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? From Me@here.there Fri Sep 27 14:59:18 EDT 1996 Article: 5653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Me@here.there (Marvin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive in house soffit 20 ft up Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:15:28 GMT Message-ID: <324877af.428627874@wind.midamer.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 NNTP-Posting-Host: leec.midamer.net Lines: 6 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!wind.midamer.net!leec.midamer.net I have an opportunity to capture a hive that has taken residence 20 ft up in a house soffit. The owner has scaffolding up to reach the hive. There is 100 lbs of honey easily seen, who knows how much unseen. WHAT STEPS DO I TAKE TO CAPTURE THE HIVE, any advice GREATLY appreciated, If it makes a difference the hive is in Southern Illinois, fall still 4-6 weeks off. THANKS From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:19 EDT 1996 Article: 5654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in house soffit 20 ft up Date: 25 Sep 1996 07:53:51 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 225 Message-ID: <52aoef$rou@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <324877af.428627874@wind.midamer.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Marvin (Me@here.there) wrote: : I have an opportunity to capture a hive that has taken residence 20 ft : up in a house soffit. The owner has scaffolding up to reach the hive. : There is 100 lbs of honey easily seen, who knows how much unseen. : WHAT STEPS DO I TAKE TO CAPTURE THE HIVE, any advice GREATLY : appreciated, If it makes a difference the hive is in Southern : Illinois, fall still 4-6 weeks off. THANKS First, I'm assuming you are a beekeeper and have some experience with bees. I don't mean to be presumptuous here, but keeping bees and removing them from a structure are different matters. Second, I'm assuming that you mean to capture the hive and preserve its gene-line. If all you want is the honey, you could just use the bee escape method and a catcher hive placed nearby. Despite all the talk and assumptions flying around that the feral populations are gone (decimated, yes, gone no) and propositions that they are reservoirs for mites, these colonies are definitely worth saving. (Reservoirs or not, the fact that they survived to BE reservoirs is significant. Perhaps they are reservoirs for less damaging strains of mites? I think the reservoirs are in fact the treated but not mite-free packages and hives being moved up and down the country. I have a lot of respect for the commercial posters on this newsgroup (e.g., Pollinator, A.D., Andy, etc.) but also know for a fact that not all the commercial outfits are as conscientious or well-run. I'm not an epidemiologist, but I know that hosts aren't the only thing that evolve or are selected for - diseases and parasites also evolve. I've already posted my observation and others' near Philadelphia that the infestation rates seem to be far lower than at this time last year. I'm not even sure I can make a determination on the essential oils trials I've been conducting on my bees since the initial infestion rates are so low... So the point is that the feral strains are well worth saving if at all possible. Back to a procedure.) Second, you need to do this ASAP because there's a good chance you won't save the queen, and hence will need to re-queen from the eggs and young brood you salvage from the colony. Third, you will need a bee-vac or swarm-vac for this procedure. If you don't have one or don't know how to build one, let me know and I will post a general description of the one I use. Make sure that whatever you use allows you to easily release the captured bees. It is not sufficient to simply let the bees crawl out of the container into their new home. Sometimes this works, often they just end up dead in the cage. 4th, you'll need a good veil and gloves. Personally, I would strongly recommend at least a half-suit but I suppose it all depends on your pain tolerance and nerves. I'd rather take 25 stings from a nasty hive on the ground then 5 or ten in short order 25 feet up. Your biggest danger on a job like this is losing your nerve and falling off the scaffold or ladder. What this means is that if you lose control of the hive, you need to be able to tolerate the stings you receive and calmly climb down without falling. Good protection will provide considerably toward this. Procedure: Survey the cavity the bees are occupying in order to determine what boards to remove and with what tools. Soffits are one of the most common places (in man-made structures) that honeybees will select, and one of the easiest to remove them from. Choose a nice warm day with good flight, and give them a decent application of smoke. For soffits, I like to use a saws-all, and large pry bars. Use the saws-all for the initial cuts perpendicular to the length-axis of the boards. If you cut the boards at the right angle, they can be easily re-used for the repaiã. Believe it or not, if you've smoked them reasonably well, this won't get them too riled up. (Unless they're mean.) After making your cuts, use the pry bar(s) to pry the boards off. Essentially, what you're doiong at this point is exposing the cavity - and hence, the comb. Typically, the comb will be hanging from the roof or ceiling boards (depending on construction), with the brood somewhere in the center. Now that you've exposed the colony, give them some more smoke if they need it, take a two minute break and then bring in the bee-vac. Gently suck up as many of the bees as you can, moving along the bottoms of the comb. Start at one point (the top reaches if there are any) and work down the length of the soffit. LET the bees group up and repeat the procedure. Depending upon what kind of vac-system you have, be aware that there are a lot of bees in a colony this size. If you are using cages, be sure to avoid overfilling them. (Otherwise they'll suffocate or overheat and die - very depressing.) A cage should have at absolute most, no more than half it's volume filled with bees. Once you've removed a considerable portion of the bees with the vac, begin with comb removal. For comb removal you will need a large number of empty frames (focus on deep frames but keep some mediums around also.) I'd recommend at least 20 deep frames and 10 medium framess. You will also need some deeps and mediums to store them in, and an extra to put them in (keep reading). I.e., you'll need 3 deeps and 1 medium for the 30 frames referred to above. This is overkill, but you may need it. You will also need 4 telescoping covers. Use two per recipient deep - one for the top and one for the bottom. What you'll be doing is placing broodcomb in the frames and putting the frames in the recipient deeps. The covers are used for the bottom and top, for ease of carrying. You will also need about 4 rubberbands per frame. Use big ones that will not crush the frames. These will be used to hold the combs in the frames. In addition you will need two cheap long knives, each with the last 3 inches or so bent 90 degrees to the rest of the knife. Be careful when you do this. Use a vise or two vise-grips. Knives are less malleable than they look. Put the bends in so that you end up with a right handed knife and a left-handed knife (i.e., opposite to each other). I prefer a serrated knife but you can use other types. You'll need a third (don't bend) for trimming and general cutting also. Finally, some long tongs, short tongs, sponges, a water tray, buckets for more water, and clean buckets or large totes for HONEY-comb (as opposed to brood comb) will be necessary. Do not skimp on these or forget them. Climb back up with these items and look for an outer comb. These will rarely have any brood and sometimes be completely empty. Using one of your curved knives and wearing gloves, reach in and cut the comb out with the curved edge, gently scraping along the boards the comb is attached to. Use the bee vac to suck up the bees on this comb (both sides) before depositing it into it's container. I usually have a container for juicy clean honeycomb and one for sullied comb or empty comb. Proceed with the next comb, except this time insert the beevac nozzle into the space created by the removal of the first comb. Remove as many bees friom this side as you can, then pull the nozzle out, gently bend the comb back (toward the space) and get the bees on the other side. Now, cut this comb out also. Proceed along until you get to the brood. Follow the same procedure except this time cut the brood combs into rectangular strips that will more or less fit a deep or medium frame. Place the combs with the brood in the frame (right side up) (see variation below) and use rubberbands lengthwise and vertically to hold the comb in. This doesn't need to be perfect, just cut, trim insert and move-on. Work quickly and don't worry about making errors or perfect fit. Think in terms of how many nukes you can comfortably squeeze out of the amount of brood comb you can see. Minimally, you want a frame of young larva/eggs and a frame of capped brood per nuke (plus additional odds and ends and honey comb frames. I prefer to sandwich the young brood frames between the old, but work with what you have. In other words, when filling the empty deeps, remember that you'll be taking this home and dividing it up among empty nukes to use as queen producers. (NOTE: Of course you could just graft the young larva and proceed using the methods conventional queen grafters use - but I am writing this for those who don't have these skills or background.) Continue, filling your frames with brood comb and ocassionally stopping to vacuum up the hordes of bees which will be collectin in the recesses of the soffit or on the walls (and on yourself). Frequently dip the knives in water to clean them. It's a messy endeavor, so be prepared to be wet and sticky and well-stung by the end of the day. I also recommend you bring a change of outer garments too if the drive home is a long one. When you have removed all of the comb, suck up the remaining bees. Leave the cavity open and instruct the property owner to expect robbing from vespids, butterflies and honeybees for a few days. They can repair the soffit in about a week if the weather allowed for robbing to clean the space up. DO NOT SPRAY - IT ISN'T NECESSARY. Make sure they fill the cavity with insulation and seal up any entry holes. Upon returning home, immediately place brood holding frames in nukes and empty the bees in the nukes. This should be done immediately; a delay of even a few hours may result in the demise of the bees. Empty the bees quickly; don't use smoke but instead spray them with sugar water if possible. Cover the frames with the bees, and close up the nukes. If the bees didn't make it or you have more brood than you can heavily supply with surviving bees, consider shaking a large quantity of nurse bees off of frames from other hives you may have. Make sure you put some honey containing comb in along the sides of the brood frame. I find two brood frames enclosed by a honeycomb frame on each side to be sufficient. After a few days, you may also want to feed them with sugar water. Wait a week and inspect each nuke for queen cells. If you inspect carefully and find no cells, combine the frames from that nuke with a nuke that does have queen cells. Reposition the remaining nuke between its original location and that of the failed nuke to catch the failed nuke's foragers. Leave everything alone for another two weeks, and start watching for foragers returning with pollen. Still, leave everything alone for at least another week before checking to see if they managed to raise any laying queens. Final notes: Given the lateness of the season, you may consider just putting all the brood and bees in a single set of deeps. I outline the nuke method above because it's good for summer/spring removals and it increases the chances of getting laying queens. You can always re-unite the nukes or deeps once you are sure you have at least one laying queen. My observation is that it is more important to have large numbers of bees per nuke then to have huge numbers of brood per nuke. So, if necessary, use the surviving bees for only one or two of any nukes you make up this way. Use nurse bees from other hives for the remaining nukes. Also, strain out and save the honey from the honeycomb. Given the lateness of the season, you might want to just feed it right back to them. They've got a lot of work to do getting ready for winter. If you have some drawn deeps, give them one (even supers if that's all you have). Finally, next year I'll be experimenting with putting the brood combs in upside down in order to force them to abandon the combs once the brood hatch out. Don't do this for your removal unless you have drawn deeps for them to occupy and move up into. It's too late to make them draw out an entire new two to three deeps of comb, and lay in enough honey to survive the winter. I also recommend you feed them plenty of syrup once they go through the honey - until they've got whatever amounts to sufficient stores for Illinois winters. (Final additional note: you might be able to plug up the entrance with an excluder, use a catcher hive to draw off the workers, and then use the method outlined above *without a vacuum* to remove the brood and remaining workers a few days later. I haven't tried this and suspect you'd still need a vac... The advantage though is that you'd have less aggressive older bees to deal with, and have a better chance of finding the queen and saving her too... You'd still have to then combine the saved queen and beeless brood frames with nurse bees from other hives though) I've been using this method (adapted from Anthony M. Buzas in Philadelphia) for three years now and have found it to be about 80% successful - meaning 4 out of 5 nukes create a new queen. I then use this nuke in a deep and install as the top component of a two queen system, finally removing the bottom component's queen and recombining the components in the fall. (Doing that yesterday, today and tomorrow.) Next summer I'll supplement the method with grafting. Good Luck, Dave T. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:20 EDT 1996 Article: 5655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Exterminating Bumblebees/Carpenter Bees Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 07:35:37 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1780C6ACCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bba9d4$c090da20$213468ce@ns.acadiacom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <01bba9d4$c090da20$213468ce@ns.acadiacom.net> "Patrick McGuire" writes: > >A neighbor is having quite a time with some Bumblebees and wanted to know >what might be the most efficient way of exterminating them. Frankly, I >would rather tell him some way of driving them out and away from where they >are nesting. Any suggestions? > At this time of yesr it's only a matter of a few more week and the bumbles will decline radidly as winter approaches. Perhaps your neighbor can patiently wait them out. Only the queen survives the winter and she may move to a different location on her own. Aaron Morris - thinking the bumblebee is your friend! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:21 EDT 1996 Article: 5656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 07:38:45 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1780C6B89S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> Timothy Lee writes: > >Question: I'm planning to locate a bee hive in my backyard behind a >greenhouse. I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or >motors. What are the problems and solutions for keeping the grass mowed >and the weeds at bay? >-- As location is to a restaurant, there are three critical things to keeping the grass and weeds at bay: MULCH, MULCH and MULCH. Get a few bales of straw and MULCH around your hives. You won't need no stinkin' lawn mower! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and young babies Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 07:46:20 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <1780C6D51S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <96092007184084@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article A. J. deLange writes: > >Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. > Taken from Hints for the Hive on Andy's Wild Bee Bulliten Board: HINT FOR THE HIVE 128 INFANT BOTULISM AND HONEY Medical research has led doctors to conclude that one cause of so-called "crib death" or "sudden infant death syndrome" may in fact be due to infant botulism (food poisoning). A number of public health officials now believe there may be many unrecognized cases of this disease each year, and honey has been implicated as a cause in a few cases. Symptoms vary from mild to severe, but there have been no cases found in children over 26 weeks old. The Infectious Disease Section and Microbial Diseases Laboratory of the California Department of Health have provided evidence that botulism spores in the infant intestinal tract may produce the growing stage of the bacterium, Clostridium botulinum. This in turn manufactures a highly toxic poison. So far this research indicates no reason why the disease is produced only in infants under seven months old. Botulism spores are found everywhere in nature. They are not harmful themselves, but in the absence of oxygen (anaerobic conditions), the spores germinate and the resultant bacteria produce the powerful poison. This is the reason all canned vegetables are heated prior to packing. Many raw agricultural crops, however, are never heated. And many foods, even if heated or processed, once exposed to the air would be susceptible to re-infestation by botulism spores. Cumulative research to date on infant botulism therefore suggests that there is an unknown risk factor in feeding any raw agricultural product, including honey, to infants under one year of age. Although honey has been blamed as a source of spores in a few infant botulism cases, some medical officials are not totally convinced about its role in the disease. Dr. Roger Feldman of the Federal Center for Disease Control (CDC) has stated that the data are not yet strong enough for the CDC to issue a warning about honey. But, he said, parents should be aware of the findings so they can make their own decisions. There may be other foods involved and honey may be no risk at all. We just don't know. These research findings in no way alter many published results that honey is a highly nutritious food source or that it is bactericidal. Only bacterial spores which are highly resistant to environmental stress can exist in honey and they themselves are not harmful. No other disease besides infant botulism has been linked to honey. The risk of this disease appears to be extremely small. The individual beekeeper can do little except be prepared to responsibly answer questions about infant botulism and honey. In all conscience he/she probably should refrain from advocating the use of honey in the feeding of infants less than one year old. This is something best left to the discretion of the parents and pediatrician. If the beekeeper is a packer or dealer in honey, he/she may profit by looking into the adequacy of his product liability insurance. Aaron Morris - thinking who is this guy, "Rogue Canceller"? From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 27 14:59:22 EDT 1996 Article: 5658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: overwintering double queen hives. Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 07:51:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1780C6E75S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article jim@epix.net (jim) writes: > >Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. > >Hello. >I have a weak hive (came from a late swarm) that I am going to combine >with another hive. I have read that it is possible to have a hive with >_two_ queens - provided that they are separated by 2 queen excluders. >I would like to find out if : > a:) anyone has had success with 2 queen hives (as far as their honey >collection over the season goes. which for me it is obviously too late >this year - perhaps next year...) > b:) anyone has overwintered such hives and if there is any benefit or >detriment to such hives > >Thanks, > Jim (jim@epix.net) > Two queen management is an advanced technique and is only suited to certain geographic locations, mainly those with short intense flows (northern temperate climates). It is a LOT of extra work, produces sky scraper hives with lots of over your head lifting and precarious ladder tipping. All of the two hive references I've read call for breaking the hive down to a single queen prior to fall/winter. It's a method I've tried which yields copious amounts of honey, but given the extra work and attention needed as compared to a single queen colony, my preference is to run two single queen colonies vs a single colony with two queens. My advice: if you're really bent on trying a two queen colony, now (fall) is not the time to do it. Plan your experiment for next spring and spend the winter reading up on the procedure. _The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee_ has a minimal write up on the procedure. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From dave_black@tfbplc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:59:23 EDT 1996 Article: 5659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!iag.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tfbplc.co.uk!dave_black From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cutting Drone Brood - Michele Campero's technique Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:34:20 +0100 Organization: Blacks Bee Gardens Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3248DB61.7C06@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tfbplc.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <3248DB61.7C06@bigfoot.com>, George & Kate writes > >So the technique we use was developed by Michele Campero. It consists of a an >empty >comb frame split into 3 vertical sections using thin strips of wood. An interesting if slightly elaborate method ! An alternative to try is two brood frames with drone foundation. Once drawn these are reused by freezing to kill the drood brood. There then is less delay while the bees draw comb and the bees are encouraged to put drone brood where it can be monitored. >- If they are intending to swarm they will build drone cells. >- If they are not thinking of swarming, they will build worker cells. Mine are never this straight-forward :-) -- Dave Black Blacks Bee Gardens, Guildford, GU1 4RN. UK. From wier@dolphin.fsl.noaa.gov Fri Sep 27 14:59:24 EDT 1996 Article: 5660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!boulder!usenet From: wier@dolphin.fsl.noaa.gov (Stuart Wier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey separation and fermentation observed Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:36:59 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.fsl.noaa.gov NNTP-Posting-User: wier Early this year my honey from last year, in clear quart jars, separated into a thick pale opaque mass in the lower half of the jar and clear honey-colored liquid above. The liquid is thinner or less viscous than the original honey. The taste has a little bite to it which suggests fermentation. The volume increased slightly. What happened? How can I prevent it occuring? Can I eat the old honey? Stuart Wier Boulder Colorado USA From jgoldste@wyoming.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:25 EDT 1996 Article: 5661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.fibr.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.wyoming.com!usenet From: Jack Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers in wyoming Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:19:38 -0600 Organization: wyoming.com LLC Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3249A1EA.1DEB@wyoming.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jac-cap-2.wyoming.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) I am looking for any beekeepers in Wyoming (near Teton County) and their experiences in this area. I am looking at doing some beekeeping as a hobby. thanks - jackg -- /*****************************************************************/ /* */ /* Jack Goldstein jgoldste@wyoming.com */ /* PO Box 4539 */ /* Jackson, WY 83001 Voice (307)733-7639 */ /* */ /* */ /* "Everybody's building big ships and boats. */ /* Some are building monuments, others jotting down notes. */ /* Everybody's in despair, every girl and boy. */ /* But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, */ /* Everybody's gonna jump for joy." */ /* */ /*****************************************************************/ From rwm@sympatico.ca Fri Sep 27 14:59:26 EDT 1996 Article: 5662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!winternet.com!clio.trends.ca!worldlinx.com!news1.sympatico.ca!news From: Robert McWilliam Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: seminar: saturday november 16, 1996 re overwintering bees in Northern Ontario. Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:52:22 -0700 Organization: Sympatico Lines: 8 Message-ID: <324A0C06.603C@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3897.on.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-SYMPA (Win95; I; 16bit) Jeanette Momot, a Thunder Bay queen breeder, has wintered between 40 and 50 hives in the past 3 years with a 100% success rate. She will be speaking on her overwintering techniques at a seminar in Sault Ste Marie on November 16. The seminar will begin at 11:00am. Lunch at 12:15, after which the lecture will continue at 1:30 and run until 3:00pm. Place is OMAFRA building, 341 Trunk Road, Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. Cost for members of the Algoma Beekeeping Association members is $6.00, otherwise $10.00. Contact Mary Eaton, RR 4 Echo Bay ON P0S 1C0 (705-248-2021). From drgonfly@ultranet.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:27 EDT 1996 Article: 5663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax soap? Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:53:04 -0700 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <324A0C30.3491@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biosource.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Does beeswax make good soap. I have some sodium hydroxide pellets. Does anyone know a good recipe for soap that won't also remove my skin? Regards, Marc From paulp@ims.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:28 EDT 1996 Article: 5664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!psinntp!psinntp!nnews.ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:47:53 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> Timothy Lee writes: >Question: I'm planning to locate a bee hive in my backyard behind a >greenhouse. I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or >motors. What are the problems and solutions for keeping the grass mowed >and the weeds at bay? I used to have a hive in my backyard. I placed it on a pallet on a piece of black plastic to keep the weeds away. The plastic extended about four or five feet in front of the hive. I would regularly mow (with a gas mower) to the edge of the plastic with no problems. However, I've had other hives elsewhere that I don't think would have been so tolerant. Paul Petty (near Portland OR) From jonathan@vislearn.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 27 14:59:29 EDT 1996 Article: 5665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!vislearn.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: Jonathan H Robbins Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Story from down under! Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:37:30 +0100 Organization: Visual Learning Associates Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <96092216035794@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 <95WUkXGnMKbsXE9+K9TaH3GuUd> In article <96092216035794@beenet.com>, Andy Nachbaur writes > > The Moon's Reward > > > This story comes to us from the land down under. G'day. > >From: http://www.mastercard.com/Stories/moon.htm >--- > þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? Thank you! from a Dorset Beekeeper. 'Si duo idem vident, non est idem'. J H Robbins B Ed FRSA FRPS - Visual Learning Associates - Assessing and Appraising Performance & Envisioning Information. Weymouth Dorset England. From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 14:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils-Purchase Locations Date: 26 Sep 1996 03:48:15 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 7 Message-ID: <52cue0$67n@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line306.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping I live in Vancouver Canada, found Wintergreen oil, at London Drugs, my wife found the Tea Tree oil locally, but I haven't located Spearmint or Patchouli oil locally. Was in Seattle today, found them all in a General Nutrition Store at South Center Mall. From Bill_Fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 14:59:30 EDT 1996 Article: 5667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: Bill Fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils-Purchase Locations Date: 26 Sep 1996 03:48:44 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 7 Message-ID: <52cues$6lj@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line306.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping I live in Vancouver Canada, found Wintergreen oil, at London Drugs, my wife found the Tea Tree oil locally, but I haven't located Spearmint or Patchouli oil locally. Was in Seattle today, found them all in a General Nutrition Store at South Center Mall. From jim@epix.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:31 EDT 1996 Article: 5668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!wizard.pn.com!news.gte.com!news-in.tiac.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news2.epix.net!news From: jim@epix.net (jim) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 03:51:20 GMT Organization: epix.net Lines: 22 Message-ID: <52cuev$t13@star.epix.net> References: <3246FDF4.4B73@ualr.edu> <526rmt$asg@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp91.epix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 rboosey@aol.com@primenet.com (Richard Boosey) wrote: >Timothy Lee wrote: >>Question: I'm planning to locate a bee hive in my backyard behind a >>greenhouse. I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or >>motors. What are the problems and solutions for keeping the grass mowed >>and the weeds at bay? >>-- I like to put cardboard or plywood or sheetmetal scraps in front of the hives to keep the weeds down.This year I did need to mow the parts not covered by the cardboard etc. I used a gas push mower ( I had my veil on as a precaution) but it was very nice weather and I have some very sweet tempered bees and I could have dispensed with the veil. some other ideas: a rotary - muscle powered push mower ( won't work if the grass is too high though), do it at night, spread salt around the area, use one of those propane burners for getting weeds in cracks. Jim (jim@epix.net) From sgamble@pinc.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:32 EDT 1996 Article: 5669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!news From: sgamble@pinc.com (Steve Gamble) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where did my bees go? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:20:21 GMT Organization: Pacific InterConnect Lines: 7 Message-ID: <52e3tp$8ng@news.pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinc101.pinc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Two days ago I had hundreds of honeybees in a hole in the oak tree out back. Today there are none, and no sign of them either. Any idea where they went? Steve Gamble Victoria, B.C. From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:33 EDT 1996 Article: 5670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers and Hurricane Fran - Victims Again? Date: 26 Sep 1996 10:49:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 176 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <52e559$ach@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Your bees came through the storm remarkably well? The bees are looking quite good, hanging out the front, sassy as can be? There's lots of goldenrod, with asters right behind, which were basically unaffected by the storm? Except for the plague of yellow jackets trying to rob the bees, you are feeling pleased that the prospects look quite good, and at least the storm hasn't hurt you too bad in the beekeeping realm? A secondary disaster may be in store for you and you MUST take some forceful steps to avert it. In a couple of weeks you may find your hives changed into tiny, weak nucs, with only three or four frames of bees left, too weak to go out and get their winter provisions (goldenrod & aster). They may have frames of chilled brood, because there are too few adult bees to cover the brood on a cold night, and now they have to engage in carrying out the dead, instead of productive work. They may be too small to make a decent cluster to insulate themselves against winter cold, and the first cold spell will get the hive. Or they may even have stored away poisoned pollen to consume during the cold weather, when no fresh pollen is available. This is exactly what happened to me after Hurricane Hugo. Massive aerial applications were made, in violation of label directions, that severely damaged my business, and nearly wiped out wild pollinators in some areas. The times of application were set by guesswork, rather than any actual observations of when bees were foraging. Many of the applications were done on warm, sunny afternoons when bees were all over goldenrod, and the bees just dropped. There is no question that the areas of North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and Maryland, where Hurricane Fran and other storms have dropped a lot of rain, are having mosquito problems. But, insecticides used to kill adult mosquitoes are also toxic to bees, and label directions forbid application during the times bees are foraging. Obedience to label directions is required by law. The kicker is that the damage is so hard to prove afterwards, and it's nearly impossible to collect any compensation for damage, even though it was caused by an illegal act. Here in South Carolina, the enforcement people are basically on the side of the applicators. The enforcement is part of Clemson University. The big corportations that donate to it, have bought the best regulators money can buy. The regulators try their best to look the other way; they refuse to spot-check applicators; and we only get action, when a violation practically kicks the regulators in the teeth. This means that if you want any recourse, you've got to take preventative action. Don't wait until you get hit. Even if you are hit, the sprays used for mosquitoes tend to be quick acting, and most bees never make it home. There may be very few dead bees at the hives, to collect for evidence. Get some fresh tapes for your camcorder and conduct a Beekeepers' Neighborhood Watch. Document any violations, as they happen. But first document the health and strength of your hives. Pop the covers, and show the bees covering ten frames and spilling over the sides. Open up a few and show that there are eight or nine frames of brood in each one. This will give a basis of comparison, if you do get hit. Then, you'll have the sad job of filming the difference. But bend your efforts to make sure that you don't get hit. And document every step. Find out who is doing applications in your area, and talk to them. Point out that it is a violation to apply while bees are foraging, that there is a lot of goldenrod in bloom, and that bees WILL be foraging on that goldenrod. Offer to supply the applicator with a monitor hive so that he can determine, for sure, the times that the bees are foraging. Always make clear that pesticide use is not the problem, MISUSE is the problem. Applications made in compliance with label directions, will not cause significant damage to the bees. A monitor hive is a hive placed on the type of forage that will be within the application area. The applicator can easily pull up to the hive(s) and watch them from a closed vehicle. Goldenrod pollen is distinctive and easily spotted from this moderate and safe distance. You probably can set the hive somewhere right near the airport, so the applicator need only take a couple minutes to see if the bees are still working. It's likely that he will refuse. But document that you offered. Let him know that you will be out with a camcorder, recording applications, and he has nothing to worry about, if he KNOWS that bees are not foraging at the time of application. He may try to get YOU to protect the bees. Point out that if he obeys the label, no further protection is necessary. Is this his statement of intent to ignore the label? If he unwittingly misuses a pesticide, it is a violation, but wilful misuse makes it a criminal act, and he could be prosecuted. (And your discussion with him now is evidence that he is aware of the label directions, and perhaps has stated his intention to ignore them.) Also point out that the label refers to bees in general, not just those that are kept. Demanding that the beekeeper protect the bees, will not protect other pollinators. Furthermore, the demand that you protect the bees, is a seizure of your property, without compensation, in violation of your civil rights. If you are a commercial beekeeper, you may have to travel, hire labor, etc. And, if there are trees down, you may not even be able to get to your bees. You may have multiple sites endangered at the same time. Even if you are a backyard hobbyist, you'll have to take time off from work to "protect" your bees. (Read the Bill of Rights, which protects citizens from such government seizures.) It is the applicators legal responsibility to comply with the label. I have heard that North Carolina has an officially sanctioned system of beekeeper notification, which circumvents the label directions. This is NOT legal, and should be challenged. Individual states can make pesticide laws stricter, but not more lenient than the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act of 1976. They cannot do an "end run" around the label directions. After making sure your applicator knows the ropes, you may be a bit safer. But I've had many an applicator tell me they will obey the rules, and never give it another thought. So get out and do some monitoring yourself! Nighttime applications are not going to bother the bees, the materials used are not residual enought to have much effect on bees by the next day. Also, some blossoms may be closed. It is during the day, that you must be alert. If you see an application in progress, and bees are working, get the spraying filmed. Then immediately show bees foraging on goldenrod, or other flowers within the area that the application is being done. Record time and date, which can be done on most cameras. Get witnesses, if you can. Then call your pesticide regulators and report a suspected violation. Remember, it is only a "suspected" violation, until you ascertain that the material has the bee-protection label directions. It's possible the applicator could be spraying a mosquito larvicide, or even a cotton defoliant, either of which would not hurt bees, nor have label directions for bee protection. Many of us never report anything until there is a bee-kill, and often not then because we've gotten cynical about the paper shuffling and lack of action. In this case, you are not reporting a bee-kill, you are reporting a label violation. It is irrelevant whether you have YOUR OWN bees nearby; you have established that there are bees. And by protecting all bees, you'll protect your own. You need to get general documentation, every chance you get, of the patterns of foraging times. Right now, here in South Carolina, they nights have been cool, with heavy dews, and bees don't get out much in the morning. By noon they are really hitting it, and they will continue until the late afternoon chill starts. Goldenrod is just coming to the peak time; it should be at peak by the first of the week. In another two or three weeks we'll be due for a frost, then it will be mostly asters for forage. They are quite frost resistant. I am going to do all I can to help inform and press for compliance with label directions, but it is going to require more beekeepers to be involved, to keep some areas of this storm zone from becoming barren of ALL pollinators, as it did here in South Carolina. Bumblebee populations in some areas went down to near zero, and are just showing some recovery now, after seven years! It took me several years to build back my hive count. I had a lot of equipment lost as well, because the following year, I had no bees to fill my equipment. Comb was eaten by wax worm, or dried out to the point where bees just wouldn't use it. We beekeepers are providing a public service, just by being present. And if we do contract pollination by design, we are intensifying that service. We help feed wildlife as well. I am proud of my work. I refuse to be dumped on any longer. Will you get involved? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html From Raroach@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:34 EDT 1996 Article: 5671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Raroach@ix.netcom.com (Bob ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Article on oils for mites etc. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:32:13 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 56 Message-ID: <52eb5b$l1i@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <51qk35$9eh@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <51rkn6$55m@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sns-ca1-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 26 11:31:39 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >IMHO, I see nothing in this report that any beekeeper can not do on his >own with any fear of being in violation of any law of the United States >of America. *NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT!* But remember that others may >view it differently. I base my own legal opinion on the fact that the >presence of Varroa mites in a beehive unlike AFB is not cause for action >by any regulatory authorities in California, (don't know about your state >or country), and therefore any treatments are not covered by any >agricultural regulation. The Pure Food & Drug people are should only >interested in products that may contaminate the honey with deleterious >materials. If the materials here described are used according to the >directions there should be no reason for concern as all ingredients are >natural and well know to food scientists and chemists and are are common >ingredients in BEE FOODS and human food and non regulated products >available over the counter. If you combine the ingredients and provide >it for sale you will need to do more legal work then if you do it for >your own use. > ttul Andy- >______________________________________________________________________ Here is the legal status of using essential oils IMHO. A substance used to kill mites on bees meets the legal definition of a pesticide. The status of the pest vis a vis control efforts by plant quarantine officials makes no difference. A pest is a pest and substances used to control it are pesticides. There is no federal law or regulation against using an unregistered pesticide! FIFRA allowed for such regulations to be passed but the U.S EPA never did so. It is illegal to sell an unregistered pesticide. If you make claims that the product will control pests, you may be accused of selling an unregistered pesticide. States have their own laws and regulations. I only know California's. In California a hobbyist or homeowner can concoct whatever they wish to control pests so long as they are not involved in any sort of production agriculture. California has a law against selling or using any unregistered pesticide in a commercial way. Nobody is likely to get an essential oil product registered for use on bees in the forseeable future. Just because they are natural substances does not mean it won't cost a lot to register them as pesticides. The most toxic substances in the world (excluding radioactive compounds) are "natural", e.g. botulinin toxin, strychnine, nicotine. There is evidence that Thymol can cause damage to bees. In terms of priorities of the California regulatory officials, this is probably quite low. However if it becomes too overt, they will have to take some action. A key element of a violation is the presence of claims of control of pests. If you are feeding your bees natural substances as a nutritional supplement, that should be OK. Bob From stjohn@interpac.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:35 EDT 1996 Article: 5672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!news.interpac.net!usenet From: stjohn@interpac.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grass cutting around hive Date: 26 Sep 1996 18:27:07 GMT Organization: Inter-Pacific Networks Lines: 5 Message-ID: <52ehtr$9gr@pegasus.interpac.net> References: <1780C6B89S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-s50.interpac.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) . I understand that the bees do not like loud noises or > >motors. Bees do not hear loud noises or motors. They might feel the vibration. They will see you and may attack and they may not like the smell of the exhaust. From berryfarm@earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:36 EDT 1996 Article: 5673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Bob Hassett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where did my bees go? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:07:43 -0400 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <324AC66F.29F6@earthlink.net> References: <52e3tp$8ng@news.pinc.com> Reply-To: berryfarm@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cust53.max2.minneapolis.mn.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) How does one subscribe to this news group? From jim@epix.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:37 EDT 1996 Article: 5674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!news2.epix.net!news From: jim@epix.net (Jim) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: overwintering double queen hives. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:20:00 GMT Organization: epix.net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <52eks6$gqe@star.epix.net> References: <528mk7$1k4@hp.cuug.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp69.epix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) wrote: >The usuefulness of any answer to this question is entirely dependant on where >you live. I live in the New York State , USA. Jim (jim@epix.net) From hardmanedy@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:38 EDT 1996 Article: 5675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hardmanedy@aol.com (HARDMANEDY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rogue swarm problem Date: 26 Sep 1996 18:09:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <52euvg$ii5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: hardmanedy@aol.com (HARDMANEDY) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm new to this site so I'm looking for advice? Earlier this year one of my hives swarmed into stored frames outside my stable. They have successfully maintained themselves over the summer and I have not attempted to move them becasuse I did not have the equipment. I am now tempted to move the colony and merge it with one of my established hives but wonder how I might do it successfuly?. Do I adopt the system whereby I put the frames ontop of the exisisitng hive, separated by newspaper and let the two colonys merge once they have eaten through the paper or is there some other way to do it?. Also I have not yet harvested the honey. How long before its too late? Any suggestions appreciated Excuse the name its my sons game handle! From ndrkorn@cnwl.igs.net Fri Sep 27 14:59:39 EDT 1996 Article: 5676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!nntp.igs.net!usenet From: Martin Niederkorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uncapped frames Date: 26 Sep 1996 21:58:18 GMT Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <52eu9q$rgp@nntp.igs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttya14.cnwl.igs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) It never fails. The outside frames are not capped. I don't like extracting them for fear of a honey that is not seasoned and contains too much water. (a past lesson) In all I get about 4 supers uncapped. What can I do with it? Any suggestions. P.S. The bees have enough honey for the winter. It's time to medicate and the honey supers need to come off. From golfdrvr@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:40 EDT 1996 Article: 5677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!swrinde!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ever hear of "tupolo" honey??? Date: 26 Sep 1996 20:27:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <52f71n$lmc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com A friend of mine had mentioned that I try using tupolo honey in my mead...any ideas on this..at first I thought he was giving me the old "snipe hunt" routine...but apparently he is VERY serious..Thanks in advance... marc From K.bundrick@crestviewfl.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:41 EDT 1996 Article: 5678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.cntfl.com!usenet From: "K.bundrick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tupelo Honey Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:14:59 -0700 Organization: CMDS News machine Lines: 11 Message-ID: <324B54C3.FA7@mail.crestviewfl.com> Reply-To: K.bundrick@crestviewfl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.49.145.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Your friend is very serious. Tupelo honey is produced when bees work the nectar source of the Tupelo white gum tree. This honey is produced in a very small area in China and in the river basins of Northwest Florida. Our company produces Tupelo honey. It requires that the bees be moved in just prior to bloom and then moved out immediately after to avoid contamination. Tupelo Honey is a premium table grade honey. 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One week or faster delivery depending on supply. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:43 EDT 1996 Article: 5680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey separation and fermentation observed Date: 27 Sep 1996 11:37:18 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 46 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <52gsbe$90r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article , wier@dolphin.fsl.noaa.gov (Stuart Wier) writes: >Early this year my honey from last year, in clear quart jars, >separated into a thick pale opaque mass in the lower half of >the jar and clear honey-colored liquid above. The liquid is >thinner or less viscous than the original honey. The taste has >a little bite to it which suggests fermentation. The volume >increased slightly. > >What happened? How can I prevent it occuring? Can I eat the >old honey? Let's assume that the moisture level is about 18% in your honey, which is dry enough to prevent fermentation. Some sugar crystalizes out (the cloudy layer at the bottom), which contains almost no water in it. This means the top layer has become a little more diluted; perhaps it contains 25% water. This is wet enough to ferment. It could not have fermented too much, because a lot of fermentation will blow up your jars. (Talk about a Mess!) If they were unsealed they would run over. Of course honey kept for a long time in unsealed containers in humid weather will sop up water like a sponge, with the same result. You can restore the crystallized honey by gentle heating, (microwave in short bursts, or hot water bath). Don't boil the honey, or you'll really degrade it. I think after a little warming, you'll find it useable, though not as good as new, of course. If you get some frothing, skim off the froth. Badly fermented honey cannot be saved, not even to feed the bees (it can give 'em disentery). Yours doesn't sound too bad. It's certainly worth a try. For short term storage, keep honey at room temperature. For long term, keep it in the freezer. Crystallization occurs fastest at temperatures in between. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:44 EDT 1996 Article: 5681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of "tupolo" honey??? Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:53:23 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 35 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <52h0q3$aub@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <52f71n$lmc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <52f71n$lmc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, golfdrvr@aol.com (GolfDrvr) writes: >A friend of mine had mentioned that I try using tupolo honey in my >mead...any ideas on this..at first I thought he was giving me the old >"snipe hunt" routine...but apparently he is VERY serious..Thanks in >advance... Tupelo honey (made from the tupelo tree blossoms) is made in the southeast along the river swamps. The honey is light and mild, and very slow to granulate. Because it took years to granulate, it used to be used for wound dressings in the military (any honey is good for this, but crystallizing is a limitation of the shelf-life). I can put you in contact with one South Carolina beekeeper who specializes in this honey. You could also check with Georgia or Florida bee associations or extension bee specialists. There used to be an association in North Florida which certified tupelo honey. I haven't heard whether they still exist. Our tupelo in South Carolina has been extensively cut over, and it is hard to find mature stands. The only one I know of is in prime bear country, and I won't risk my bees there. I can't think of any reason why tupelo honey would be preferred for mead. Personally, I'd like a honey with more character, such as a fruity blackberry, or tangy sourwood, or orange blossom, or even buckwheat for a good hearty taste. Tupelo seems rather insipid to me. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 27 14:59:45 EDT 1996 Article: 5682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uncapped frames Date: 27 Sep 1996 13:44:15 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 34 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <52h3pf$c8k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <52eu9q$rgp@nntp.igs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <52eu9q$rgp@nntp.igs.net>, Martin Niederkorn writes: >It never fails. The outside frames are not capped. >I don't like extracting them for fear of a honey that >is not seasoned and contains too much water. (a past lesson) >In all I get about 4 supers uncapped. >What can I do with it? >Any suggestions. > >P.S. The bees have enough honey for the winter. It's time to > medicate and the honey supers need to come off. > Take one of these uncapped frames and give it a hard shake. If the nectar or water flies off, then don't use it. If it stays firmly in the cells, go ahead and use them. If they are "wet," it is only slight, and blending with the rest of the capped honey will make them okay. I like to take off honey on a sunny day, and don't let it set in the supers too long. If it waits for a week during a rainy spell, it'd be a good idea to have some way to lower humidity in the storage, ie a little heat, or a dehumidifier. Honey will sop up water, even if it is capped. If you wait till cold weather, you'll sometimes find a lot of condensation under the covers. Besides wetting the bees' feed honey or your supers, it encourages molds and dysentery during the winter. Make sure the bees have ventilation near the top of the hive during cold weather. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554