Article 12087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Hive Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 04:17:36 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6ibi92$7lu$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <354916CE.384B5ED9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12087 Go for it, Bill! Allez-Y! >greetings, > >well, for what it's worth, i'm planning to make my 2 deep brood box hobby hive >[say that 5 times fast] a 3 deep brood box hobby hive this year. i've emailed >with several people over the winter, who said that their 3 box hives were a >lot stronger than 2 box hives. so, figured i'd give it a shot. from what >i've read and been told a good queen should lay in all 3 boxes during the >season, and by winter the top box should be full of honey. maybe it's >overkill for them as far as winter stores are concerned, but as a hobbyist i'd >rather be safe than sorry. besides, the colony will probably be a lot larger >going into the winter and might need those extra stores, getting off to a >faster start in the spring. i'll probably post my results here, for those who >are interested. > >hope this helps, > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > Article 12088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help- Dead Queen Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 04:23:24 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6ibijv$7lu$2@lasierra.pe.net> References: <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12088 What a klutz Herschel! :0) In the first place you shouldn't panic when you see swarm cells. The bees might just make them for fun, not necessarily just for supercedure. Mike the Beekeeper utilises these swarm cells for other hives. Secondly, with these Langstroth hives I think you have to quickly give the bees more space if it looks like they might be getting ready to swarm, not divide out their colony. In article <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net>, Herschel Shamblin wrote: >I recently split a colony because it was preparing to swarm-[several >queen cells found] when I did this I ended up with two quenelles >colonies. I believe I put the old queen with the new queen in one hive >and they killed each other ordered two more queens one colony has >accepted her but the other did not. I looked all through the colony >today and could not find the marked queen, so I looked on the ground in >front of hive entrance and there she laid DEAD.The bees are very >aggressive also, normally they are gentle.Any advice is appreciated. > Article 12089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Hive Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 01:01:31 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 74 Message-ID: <3549572B.1692@lex.infi.net> References: Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-176.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12089 Sir, About the extra frames of honey: feeding outside the hive can encourage robbing, and may not be the best approach. It might be better to swap them out with empty comb, and save the capped honey to feed in the spring. FMCraig Ira Seskin wrote: > > Hi all.. and happy Bee season . Due to several swarms last season , in the > fall I decided to combine two hives into one strong hive. In doing so, in > order to assure good food stores, I wound up with a three hive body > configuration going into Winter.One was almost all honey. With good early > spring management, ( feeding, medication, hive body rotation with the top > body going to the bottom, and the second ond hive body about to be rotated > and switched with the top) I have an incredibly strong colony, lots of > brood from a fall queen, good pollen coming in, and happy bees. > > I have been advised by my bee teacher ( and Guru) to wean out one of the > hive bodies, and get it down to a 2 hive body colony before Winter. Is > this necessary? It wintered incredibly well ( its a hobby hive, -had a > plywood "house" over it ( one foot larger all around with provsions for > removing moisture) sheltering it from the wind and elements. Why cant it > stay as a three body "superhive" ? I expect to be supering in two weeks, > and dont mind the height , or the weight problems. > > All points of view appreciated.. I just hate to break up a really strong > hive, already have a new startup colony this Spring, and dont have room > for a third ( very urban beekeeping here.. and wife would get real mad > since I promised that the second hive was the last).. > > Related Question. I have three frames from last season in that hive still > full of honey. Do I leave them, or remove them and let them eat it outside > saving the comb? > > Thanks. > > -I- > > -- > _ > /_/_ .'''. > =O(_)))) ...' `. > \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz > `..' > > /| __ > / | ,-~ / > Y :| // / > | jj /( .^ > >-"~"-v" > / Y > jo o | > ( ~T~ j > >._-' _./ > / "~" | I AM HAVING A > Y _, | BAD > /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY > / l/ ,-"~ \ > \//\/ .- \ > Y / Y* > l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ > (" ~----( ~ Y. ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- > April 1993- November 15, 1997 > > Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments > iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments > > "Live Free or Die" > > Article 12090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help- Dead Queen Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:55:55 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <354955DB.3419@lex.infi.net> References: <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-176.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12090 Sir, Either requeen with a nice, gentle Italian or Carniolan (try, try, again) or scuttle them (a waste). The gentle queen, if accepted, will replace the redneck bees in a few weeks. Meanwhile, the rednecks will be drawing comb and storing food for the gentle bees to come... FMCraig Herschel Shamblin wrote: > > I recently split a colony because it was preparing to swarm-[several > queen cells found] when I did this I ended up with two quenelles > colonies. I believe I put the old queen with the new queen in one hive > and they killed each other ordered two more queens one colony has > accepted her but the other did not. I looked all through the colony > today and could not find the marked queen, so I looked on the ground in > front of hive entrance and there she laid DEAD.The bees are very > aggressive also, normally they are gentle.Any advice is appreciated. Article 12091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees won't behave Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:57:14 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3549562A.53D4@lex.infi.net> References: <3544A0A6.D2EDAD3F@analogic.com> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-176.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12091 Sir, Double check that bee space... FMCraig Howard Cohen wrote: > > I just started in beekeeping and hived my bees nine days ago. > > I checked them yesterday and found all was well(active queen, eggs, nice > disposition, etc.), but the bees are to a large extent ignoring the > foundation and doing their own architecture. They appear to have > started, following the form of the foundation(standard plastic, with wax > covering), but would soon curl the comb into the air and form a second > layer or would join with the foundation in the adjacent frame. > > I have cut away the offending comb( which hurt, since I was throwing > away a lot of precious wax and eggs) in order to enforce some sort of > discipline in comb building. > > What am I doing wrong? Is this a common problem? Is there a less > draconian solution? > > Thank you. Article 12092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net> <354955DB.3419@lex.infi.net> Subject: Re: Help- Dead Queen Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:03:43 +0100 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-243.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35497abe.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-243.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12092 You cold unite the two colonies, then after about three weeks, split them again, forcing a 'new' queenless colony to make a new queen, by making sure they have eggs. Article 12093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 1998 12:56:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998043023541100.TAA24739@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12093 >was wondering. Do Carpenter Bees have s >What is used to control them? Here in North Carolina we use a badmitten racquet ! It makes for wonderful afternoon fun and it sends the buggers for at least 20 feet in multiple directions and pieces !! Article 12094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen cells? Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:54:18 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3549B7EA.42DF@nt.com> References: <35494027.4351@kingston.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12094 Kent Stienburg wrote: > I opened my hives today and I saw what appears to be queen cells in one hive, snip > They were somewhat smaller than I expected. Since I have been lucky an > haven't encountered them before I'm not sure. These were approx. 3/4" > in lenght and were located along the very top of the frame. If they're hanging down the outside of the comb they're Queen cells however small they are. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:22:07 +0200 Message-ID: <199805011622.SAA00424@base.xs4all.nl> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: Help- Dead Queen References: <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12095 Make sure that you have destroyed all queen cells before trying to introduce a queen yourself. Bees will often prefer to raise their own queen and seem to regard their colony as having a queen even if she is still in the cell. If you try to introduce a queen to such a colony the introduced queen will be killed as an invader. Herschel Shamblin wrote: > >I recently split a colony because it was preparing to swarm-[several >queen cells found] when I did this I ended up with two quenelles >colonies. I believe I put the old queen with the new queen in one hive >and they killed each other ordered two more queens one colony has >accepted her but the other did not. I looked all through the colony >today and could not find the marked queen, so I looked on the ground in >front of hive entrance and there she laid DEAD.The bees are very >aggressive also, normally they are gentle.Any advice is appreciated. Article 12096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: garyk1@webtv.net (Gary Klein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees wanted ... Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:08:04 -0600 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6idkkk$j1$1@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-2025280746-984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12096 --WebTV-Mail-2025280746-984 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Up to 1200 hives wanted to run in North Dakota. Annual honey crop is approximately 80 lbs. Normal lease agreement is 50/50. We've had a wet spring this year and the CRP is looking good. Hoping for a good year. How about you? If interested in leasing out bees contact Rob at: (701) 824-2509 (home) : (701) 824-2997 (work) Would appreciate a reply ASAP. --WebTV-Mail-2025280746-984 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: INLINE Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

removing moisture) sheltering it from the wind and elements. Why cant it > stay as a three body "superhive" ? I expect to be supering in two weeks, > and dont mind the height , or the weight problems. > > All points of view appreciated.. I just hate to break up a really strong > hive, already have a new startup colony this Spring, and dont have room > for a third ( very urban beekeeping here.. and wife would get real mad > since I promised that the second hive was the last).. There is NO reason not to use 3 Deep bodies as the broodnest/foodchamber arrangement YEAR round. The only "problem" with doing so is increased Spring strength and increased survival rate (assuming proper health including parasite control). So if you don't mind dealing with that "terrible" problem then have at it. > Related Question. I have three frames from last season in that hive still > full of honey. Do I leave them, or remove them and let them eat it outside > saving the comb? Okay Ira ya got me puzzled here - you have a terrifically strong 3 Deep colony and my guess is they oughta have around a full Deep of honey stores left (though not all neatly in full frames nor in a single box). So what is the concern over 3 frames full of honey?? Could easily be I missed something or just ain't following you - so please expound - or perhaps someone else is following you on this part better than I and will already have responded. Best wishes, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:51:31 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6idu73$7en$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998050113190800.JAA23357@ladder03.news.aol.com>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.22 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 02 01:51:31 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12098 In article <1998050113190800.JAA23357@ladder03.news.aol.com>#1/1, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > I'd like to hear from others concerning this, it appears that an earlier > treatment (as per 1 Jan insertion - 50 days later removal) may have more effect on the mites in this area, or that since the > apistan is present just prior to spring buildup that the mites have a tough > time getting a foothold even in the beginning. > > Thanks, > H. Kevin Johnson > Lillington, North Carolina > Ya might take a look-see at my "Treatment Timing Tips" page to help solve a piece of the riddle as to why this worked well. It has to do with both bee and mite biology - along with biology of critters that are parasitized during growth. Realize that the V-mites WILL be back so let not your vigilance slacken. Best wishes in your continued fight against the V-mites, Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees Date: 2 May 1998 02:55:57 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1998050202555700.WAA12379@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12099 In article <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: >>What is used to control them? > >Here in North Carolina we use a badmitten racquet ! >It makes for wonderful afternoon fun and it sends the buggers for at least 20 >feet in multiple directions and pieces !! Tragic! One would expect an appreciation for the great value of our pollinators in a beekeeping group. These gentle, curious, playful bees do not deserve this kind of abuse. I rejoice each year in the return of the adult carpenter bees. They live in my buildings with my blessing and appreciation. They bore a few holes, but will not bring down the buildings near as quick as a leaky roof would, not in my lifetime anyway. And the good they do is incalculable. Why kill them? Live and let live. They do no harm. Why is common sense so uncommon? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wicwas Press Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:50:21 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 31 Message-ID: <354A5FBC.199D@Birkey.com> References: <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net> <3544C98F.D0C45606@facstaff.wisc.edu> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12100 Keith Benson wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a webpage for Wicwas Press?? > > thanks, > > Keith > > -- > Keith Benson DVM > Special Species Health Service/Urgent Care > University of Wisconsin > School of Veterinary Medicine > bensonk@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu (office) > kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (home) > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2011/ As far as I know, Larry is putting his own site together but don't know when it will be up. -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA -------------------------------- BIRKEY.COM Web Design & Digital Illustration -------------------------------- 630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 12101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:29:03 +0100 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: <7K5suEAvwdS1Ewqx@pjbnet.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 894033132 nnrp-06:3253 NO-IDENT pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.med.nutrition:90079 sci.agriculture:25554 sci.agriculture.poultry:5172 sci.agriculture.fruit:1747 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12101 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 12102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: alt.bbs.beeline,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.misc Subject: Whoops! Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:25:45 +0100 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-241.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <354add92.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news-uk.wisper.net!peer.news-uk.wisper.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-241.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.bbs.beeline:254 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12102 uk.misc:100480 (Due to a cock-up on the correspondence front) To anyone who has e-mailed me, in the last couple of days, thank you for your mail, help, or comments. Especially Tom Speight (very helpful, thanks!). From here on, back to normal... '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!oleane!easynet-fr!esplanade3000.net!Cegetel Entreprises NewsFeeder!infonie.fr!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in chimney Date: 1 May 1998 12:30:32 GMT Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd74fc$327ee700$bd6cf2c3@preinstalledcom> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: si1-paris!unknown@195.242.117.13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12103 Many bees have recently started appearing in our chimney, but only on nice days, and with no apparent sign of a nest. Could they be looking for some nutrients or is there probably a nest up there somewhere? If so, how can I get rid of them / recuperate them. I have two hives of my own, which do not seem to be swarming or smelling of chimneys, so I can only assume they come from one of the many wild colonies around here. Many thanks for any help Tim ps Does anyone have information on french beekeepers associations, online or off, especially in the Centre / Berry regions? Article 12104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: artmarin@ctcreuna.cl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: vinager Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 06:05:01 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6ieukt$ick$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.186.25.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 02 11:05:01 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; AK; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12104 I want to make honey vinager.If someone know how to do it, please tell me. artmarin@ctcreuna.cl Los Andes, Chile. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998050213280300.JAA18121@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 May 1998 13:28:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998050202555700.WAA12379@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12105 Perhaps if you find nature and carpenter bees to be so offensive you should stay inside your condo annd lock the doors I enjoy playing tag with the carpenter bees in my garden and look forward to their return and the return of dandylions every spring Article 12106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in chimney Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 16:21:25 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6ifh2p$jr4$1@magnolia.pe.net> References: <01bd74fc$327ee700$bd6cf2c3@preinstalledcom> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp04.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12106 In article < I can only assume they come from one of the many wild colonies >around here. >ps Does anyone have information on french beekeepers associations, online >or off, especially in the Centre / Berry regions? > Essayez la bas: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cl.ivert/preacu.htm Article 12107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.giganews.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: Re: bees won't behave Message-ID: <3549C12A.210626FB@analogic.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:33:46 -0400 References: <3544A0A6.D2EDAD3F@analogic.com> <3549562A.53D4@lex.infi.net> Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12107 I did. The problem, I think is that there is no comb on the opposite foundation, and that makes too much bee space. FMCraig wrote: > Sir, > Double check that bee space... > FMCraig > > Howard Cohen wrote: > > > > I just started in beekeeping and hived my bees nine days ago. > > > > I checked them yesterday and found all was well(active queen, eggs, > nice > > disposition, etc.), but the bees are to a large extent ignoring the > > foundation and doing their own architecture. They appear to have > > started, following the form of the foundation(standard plastic, with > wax > > covering), but would soon curl the comb into the air and form a > second > > layer or would join with the foundation in the adjacent frame. > > > > I have cut away the offending comb( which hurt, since I was throwing > > > away a lot of precious wax and eggs) in order to enforce some sort > of > > discipline in comb building. > > > > What am I doing wrong? Is this a common problem? Is there a less > > draconian solution? > > > > Thank you. Article 12108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1998050113190800.JAA23357@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 May 1998 13:19:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12108 Greetings All, Just a short report on a treatment method i used this year. There was a recent note in one of the bee mags about a fellow that tried apistan on jan first for 50 days, he reported no varroa at all throughout that spring. I decided to try this myself with my 6 base hives i did not however with my 5 polination hives aprox 1 mile distant. On Jan 1 of 98 i placed two strips in each base hive, 50 days later removing them. On that date all hives were well into a beginning buildup for spring as we have had a relatively warm winter. The results were quite interesting, of my 5 base hives i could find no varroa at all, ruined some beautiful brood looking for it too ! In my pollination hives the varroa mites were everywhere ( as i expected them to be with all that brood ) and i inserted the apistan strips in them at that time ( this being the time i would have normally done my spring treatment anyway ). My 5 base hives continue to be free of varroa and the spring buildup in these 5 has been awesome while the later treatment of the other hives has yielded a slower buildup with a significant varroa presence. I'd like to hear from others concerning this, it appears that an earlier treatment may have more effect on the mites in this area, or that since the apistan is present just prior to spring buildup that the mites have a tough time getting a foothold even in the beginning. Thanks, H. Kevin Johnson Lillington, North Carolina Article 12109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane!jussieu.fr!cea.fr!not-for-mail From: "Pascal Lallement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Search Buckfast producteur in Germanie Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:46:34 +0200 Organization: Gard France Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6ifphd$ekr$2@news.cea.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: boss.valrho.cea.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12109 Hello, I search a Buckfast Producteur of keens in Germanie. Thanks. Excuses my poor english. Pascal l'apiculture en francais : fr.rec.apiculture (news) Article 12110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Furness Spring Convention Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:33:17 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 894148733 nnrp-05:9832 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12110 Furness Beekeepers will hold their Spring Convention in the Malt Kiln, Bardsea, Near Ulverston, Cumbria on Saturday, May 9th 1998. Open 9.30 am Lectures start 10.00am prompt. Finish about 4.30 pm Speakers Ron Brown of Torquay, and Medwin Bew, of the National Beekeeping Unit, York. also beginners course with John Skinner. (Hands-on demonstration, weather permitting) Admission five pounds and one pound for juniors. including tea, coffee and home made goodies. Pub lunches arranged if required. please e-mail me for further information if required -- Tom Speight tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Article 12111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in chimney Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 22:03:23 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6igmpr$53a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01bd74fc$327ee700$bd6cf2c3@preinstalledcom>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.23 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 03 03:03:23 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12111 In article <01bd74fc$327ee700$bd6cf2c3@preinstalledcom>#1/1, wrote: > > Many bees have recently started appearing in our chimney, > but only on nice days, and with no apparent sign of a nest. > Could they be looking for some nutrients or is there probably a nest up > there somewhere? Around here (back when we had feral colonies that actually lived for years) finding entrances to such nests right near a chimney was not uncommon. Could it be that the bees you have noticed are looking for a nest site - as per about to swarm. We have eggs in swarm cups appearing in colonies here already - don't know how far along things are where you are in France. Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:11:52 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p34.a1.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12112 Does anyone know of record keeping software for apiaries, beekeeping, etc? Any contacts would be appreciated. Thanks! Mark Article 12113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!xfer.kren.nm.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Rev Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Carpenter bees Date: 3 May 1998 05:51:11 GMT Organization: news.netins.net Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bd7659$a2fe8cc0$240cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> References: <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net> <199805011622.SAA00424@base.xs4all.nl> Reply-To: "Rev Jim" NNTP-Posting-Host: ur36.mebbs.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12113 Please someone take a minute and explain carpenter bees. There seems to be a faction that loves to destroy these and some who welcome them. I do not know anything about them and hate to kill unless there is a reason. thank you Article 12114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Software Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:32:19 +0200 Organization: Apimo Biavl Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6ih39e$1rgc$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> References: <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp5.rd.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12114 Owners skrev i meddelelsen <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net>... >Does anyone know of record keeping software for apiaries, beekeeping, etc? >Any contacts would be appreciated. Try this : regards Jorn Johanesson Beekeeper since 1970 EDBi = Beekeeping software since 1986 homepages http://wn.com.au/apimo http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 12115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "jack mundale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998050202555700.WAA12379@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:39:34 -0400 Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.161.71.128 Message-ID: <354c6731.0@news8.kcdata.com> X-Trace: 3 May 1998 12:46:41 -0600, 209.161.71.128 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!newsreader.digex.net!news1.digex.net!digex!news9.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news8.kcdata.com!209.161.71.128 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12115 <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com >(Hk1BeeMan) writes: >They live in >my buildings with my blessing and appreciation. They >bore a few holes, but will >not bring down the buildings near as quick as a leaky >roof would, not in my >lifetime anyway. > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, >SC USA I live on a farm in south central Pennsylvania. I have seen carpenter bees destroy a building in one season. If they infest the main supporting beams of a structure they can render it unusable faster than termites. p.s. If I have a leaky roof, I fix it. Article 12116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a HIVE - Please Assist Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 13:37:28 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <354CB968.6C38C19F@bigfoot.com> References: <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 894220141 EDOBMGQ.FB038D018C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: chaz@inkweb.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12116 Start with these link, near the bottom of the first page there is a link for most of the suppliers of equipment and supplies. These are some other links that will be of much help. I have used them all to educate myself and buy equipment. Larry http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.cyberTours.com/~midnitebee/ http://beenet.com/index1.htm http://beenet.com/index1.htm Chaz wrote: > Are there any online stores for beekeeping supplies, and if not, who do > you recommend in the US for this? I am in SC. > > chaz Article 12117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com> From: Chaz Reply-To: chaz@inkweb.com Organization: chaz X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a HIVE - Please Assist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:34:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-2-38.aiken.sc.scescape.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 08:34:46 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12117 Are there any online stores for beekeeping supplies, and if not, who do you recommend in the US for this? I am in SC. chaz Article 12118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a HIVE - Please Assist Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 11:30:25 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6ii2ir$6q6i$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.156.37.199 X-Post-Time: 3 May 1998 15:30:35 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/41f82f2070441f1a X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12118 Chaz call your nearest police station and they will tell you the names and tel. #'s of your nearest beekeepers. They, in turn will help you with all the information you need. Good luck. Zadigvolta@prodigy.net Chaz wrote in message <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com>... >Are there any online stores for beekeeping supplies, and if not, who do >you recommend in the US for this? I am in SC. > >chaz Article 12119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!SnUK10!supernews.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Gregory" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: West of London, England ? Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:20:42 +0100 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6ihvch$n6j$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.87.51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12119 I've never actually been involved with beekeeping, but ever since I was a kid, I've been interested in anything to do with it. Is there anyone in the west of London, England (where I live) who can suggest any contacts ? Article 12120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beekeeping.guide@miningco.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Software Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:26:30 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6iiqul$pmn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.240.45.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 03 22:26:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12120 In article <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net>#1/1, "Owners" wrote: > > Does anyone know of record keeping software for apiaries, beekeeping, etc? > Any contacts would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Mark > > Hi Mark, You can find a list of available beekeeping software at The Mining Co. Beekeeping site. Hope this helps. http://beekeeping.miningco.com/msub14.htm Sherry Medders beekeeping.guide@miningco.com http://beekeeping.miningco.com http://miningco.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beekeeping.guide@miningco.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a HIVE - Please Assist Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:31:16 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6iir7k$q7e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.240.45.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 03 22:31:16 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12121 In article <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com>#1/1, chaz@inkweb.com wrote: > > Are there any online stores for beekeeping supplies, and if not, who do > you recommend in the US for this? I am in SC. > > chaz > Hi Chaz, I have a convenient list of Beekeeping Suppliers on my site at http://beekeeping.miningco.com/msub2.htm I hope this helps. Sherry Medders beekeeping.miningco.com http://beekeeping.miningco.com http://miningco.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 18:45:47 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6iivjb$vbp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998050202555700.WAA12379@ladder01.news.aol.com> <354c6731.0@news8.kcdata.com>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 03 23:45:47 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12122 In article <354c6731.0@news8.kcdata.com>#1/1, "jack mundale" wrote: > > > <1998050112563300.IAA23238@ladder01.news.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com > >(Hk1BeeMan) writes: > >They live in > >my buildings with my blessing and appreciation. They >bore a few holes, but > will > >not bring down the buildings near as quick as a leaky >roof would, not in > my > >lifetime anyway. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, >SC USA > > I live on a farm in south central Pennsylvania. I have seen carpenter bees > destroy a building in one season. If they infest the main supporting beams > of a structure they can render it unusable faster than termites. > > p.s. If I have a leaky roof, I fix it. > Serious???? The population density of Carpenter Bees must be VERY high in your area. Normally as Dave noted it would take a WAY lot of years for the short near perfect 3/8" holes of the carpenter bees to bring down a building. And around here even the leaky roof takes a few years to bring down an old post and beam barn. The leaky roof is FAR more of a threat to buildings hereabouts (we are talking the abandoned barns) than are the carpenter bees. To insure we are on the same page - Carpenter Bees hereabouts look similar to Bumble Bees except for a "bald" black top of abdomen (bumbles have visible hair there) - they are about the same size as the bumbles as well. Take good care, Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!okra.negia.net!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Software Date: 4 May 1998 00:41:22 GMT Organization: NorthEast Georgia Internet Access Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bd76f5$b8e01440$b3003dce@pettyben> References: <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net>#1/1 <6iiqul$pmn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: temppp19.negia.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12123 check out your tax dollars at work!.......... http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov it's the Carl Hayden Bee Research Lab, and they have all kinds of fun stuff including a free software package designed to help with the business of beekeeping. have not personally perused the software, but would like to hear from someone who has! beekeeping.guide@miningco.com wrote in article <6iiqul$pmn$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > In article <354bfb57.0@news.ic.net>#1/1, > "Owners" wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of record keeping software for apiaries, beekeeping, etc? > > Any contacts would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark Article 12124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ulee's gold Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:17:08 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6ijfhg$ksn$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-135.s8.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 894255472 21399 207.172.170.135 (4 May 1998 04:17:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12124 I have been a beekeeper on a small scale for a few years now, mostly to pollinate our melons and vegetables, and of course for the honey and the pure enjoyment of the bees. Tonight we rented the video "Ulee's gold" and I recommend it to anyone who keeps bees. Even though the bees were not in every scene, there was enough about them to make any beekeeper smile--John Article 12125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:27:58 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6ijg5q$ot1$1@winter.news.erols.com> References: <1998050113190800.JAA23357@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-135.s8.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 894256122 25505 207.172.170.135 (4 May 1998 04:28:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12125 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <1998050113190800.JAA23357@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >Greetings All, > >Just a short report on a treatment method i used this year. > I've installed Apistan in late summer, left in on till early spring in hives with double brood chambers with excellent results. This has worked well for me now for several years--John Article 12126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.dn.net!not-for-mail From: Rayne Horton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a HIVE - Please Assist Date: 4 May 1998 04:50:04 GMT Organization: ScienceDaily News Posting Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6ijhds$8st$1@news.dn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.sciencedaily.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: AspNNTP (ScienceDaily Magazine) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12126 In article <354C6409.4CD6@inkweb.com>, Chaz  writes: > Are there any online stores for beekeeping supplies, and if not, who do > you recommend in the US for this? I am in SC. > > chaz Chaz I have the same question could you let me know if you have found anything, Naturebug@aol.com Article 12127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 4 May 1998 16:09:26 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd7776$ba688460$86ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp04-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12127 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <354DE6B9.1284@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:03:05 -0500 From: Summer Jones Reply-To: jedi_master@geocities.com Organization: St. Paul's Episcopal School X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A few questions References: <354DE650.3CCC@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.153.125 X-Trace: 4 May 1998 12:18:05 +0500, 209.12.153.125 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!scanner.worldgate.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!209.136.2.9!209.12.153.125 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12128 my e-mail address is mindhunter@hotmail.com that was the previous user's profile. Article 12129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a HIVE - Please Assist Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998050416220400.MAA17034@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 May 1998 16:22:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6iir7k$q7e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12129 Hi Chaz Try http://members.aol.com/beetools Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 12130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!news.itis.com!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jentner Method Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:51:09 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 19 Sender: reguser@144.92.72.13 Message-ID: <354DE3EC.EC2AC743@facstaff.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.92.72.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12130 Hi, I had at one time heard that there was a book describing the Jentner method of queen rearing but have since lots the title. Would anyone know the title and author, and if anyone has it - what did you think of it?? Keith -- Keith Benson DVM Special Species Health Service/Urgent Care University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine bensonk@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu (office) kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (home) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2011/ Article 12131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <354DE650.3CCC@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:01:20 -0500 From: Summer Jones Reply-To: jedi_master@geocities.com Organization: St. Paul's Episcopal School X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A few questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.153.125 X-Trace: 4 May 1998 12:16:20 +0500, 209.12.153.125 Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!syix.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!209.136.2.9!209.12.153.125 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12131 I am a student doing research on bees for my biology class. I have a few questions: If drones develop from unfertilized eggs, how are they male and diploid? Do female workers produce eggs are are they unable to reproduce at all? Thank you so much for any help you can give me! Rhys Article 12232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: artmarin@ctcreuna.cl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chinese apis Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:51:46 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6j44ci$a55$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.186.25.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 10 11:51:46 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; AK; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12232 I want to contact a popular china beekeeper.Please answer to Arturo Marin,Los Andes,Chile. artmarin@ctcreuna.cl -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!131.96.1.11.MISMATCH!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield To: Jarrod Loerzel Subject: Re: Bee Resources or FAQ Needed In-Reply-To: <01bd7b41$3e8d9a00$99ed1cce@herbwagn> Message-ID: References: <01bd7b41$3e8d9a00$99ed1cce@herbwagn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:55:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:55:59 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12233 On 9 May 1998, Jarrod Loerzel wrote: > Hello All- > I'm extremely new to the bee-keeping arena, and would like to know if there are any good sources on starting with bee keeping? How do you get the "starter" bees? What equipment is needed? Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? > Any help at all is deeply appreciated! http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Article 12234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jack Kassinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rendering beeswax Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:21:42 -0400 Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3555B7F6.D2AE33A3@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jack18@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bin-ny3-54.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 10 7:25:22 AM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12234 Does any one have directions for rendering small amounts of bees wax? Also any plans for extracting honey a frame at a time? Jack Article 12235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.mindspring.net!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: DöñJúäñ@Jùlïò.çóm Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee in trouble? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:26:51 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35570d2a.26660165@news.mindspring.com> References: <35507C48.5744@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-207-205-162-242.nwrk.grid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 10 May 1998 20:25:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12235 On Wed, 06 May 1998 15:10:54 GMT, selma martina wrote this: >The nipples on my new queen seem hardened. Can these be treated with an >ointment of some kind? Sounds like a silicon problem to me... (That's if the strip bars were any indication.. ) You strip bars, right? Where the drones get to visit queens... Good luck! -DJ (She said) "I treat my body like a temple, You treat yours like a tent!" -Jimmy Buffett, "Fruitcakes" Article 12236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rendering beeswax Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998051100314500.UAA11858@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1998 00:31:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3555B7F6.D2AE33A3@ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12236 Small quantities like burr comb and such get rendered in the microwave oven by filling a bowl half full of water and stretching panty hose over the top. The bits of comb and such get put on top and when they melt they strain throught the panty hose and fall into the water. The stuff left over gets used to start the wood stove. Article 12237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rendering beeswax Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:27:06 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6j5k1a$230$1@magnolia.pe.net> References: <3555B7F6.D2AE33A3@ix.netcom.com> <1998051100314500.UAA11858@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp18.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12237 Cool idea! Thanks BeeCrofter! In article <1998051100314500.UAA11858@ladder03.news.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Small quantities like burr comb and such get rendered in the microwave oven by >filling a bowl half full of water and stretching panty hose over the top. The >bits of comb and such get put on top and when they melt they strain throught >the panty hose and fall into the water. >The stuff left over gets used to start the wood stove. Article 12238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making a new hive from an existing one Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:45:03 -0400 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.154 Message-ID: <35566691.0@199.103.243.32> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!207.1.217.154 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12238 Greetings, Could anyone tell me the process of taking 3-4 frames of bees (workers only) and locking them up inside a new hive to start a new hive. Will they make a queen? How long should they be shut up in the hive? Any info would bee appreciated Article 12239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!fci-se!fci!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: okie@rotgut.com (Jethro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rendering beeswax Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 05:44:27 GMT Organization: Secret Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35598d67.200428246@enews.newsguy.com> References: <3555B7F6.D2AE33A3@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: Don't Bother NNTP-Posting-Host: p-290.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12239 On or About Sun, 10 May 1998 10:21:42 -0400, Jack Kassinger pushed the send button on the following : »Does any one have directions for rendering small amounts of bees wax? »Also any plans for extracting honey a frame at a time? » Jack Heat the wax (a microwave oven will work) and strain it through a wire mesh. Next pour it through a disposable paint strainer. You can get the paint strainers at a hardware store for cheap. If you need it REALY clean, after the paint strainer, pour it through a coffee filter. The coffee filter will get it real clean but will waste some wax and is real SLOW. If you do this in the kitchen, be sure your wife is not home when you do this. Jethro Article 12240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3556EC6D.83695047@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:17:49 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluder Screen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.7.201 X-Trace: 11 May 1998 13:17:58 GMT, 32.100.7.201 Lines: 5 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.7.201 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12240 Does anyone know of a source for the screen or mesh for a queen excluder. I would be interested in buying the material in sheets and cut and frame my own. Al Welk, Atlanta, GA Article 12241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3556EF1B.E407E619@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:29:15 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm References: <6j378r$dn3@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.7.201 X-Trace: 11 May 1998 13:29:24 GMT, 32.100.7.201 Lines: 29 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.7.201 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12241 John, my initial thought is that you did not get the queen with the swarm. They won't stay around if you don't. The second thought is where did the swam come from? It helps if you can move the swarm away from the foraging area. this is not as critical with swarms since they want to relocate anyway. I have never used the newspaper technique to join hives. We just catch the swam in a empty hive and work with that. Right now we are getting 3-5 swarms a day. Yousaid that the swarm left by the next morning? How did they get out. My thoughts would be to have put the swarm on the top of the newspaper. You only want a few small cuts in the paper so that they bees can start shredding at it but not enough for them to move into the lower box for a few days. They need enough time to spread the queens pharamones thoughout the box. With an swarm that I put into an obsevation hive, it took about 4 days for the bees to get totally settled down and the queen to start laying again. Al welk, Atlanta, GA smokey wrote: > > I tried to take my first swarm of the season and merge them with a weak > hive. I used the "newspaper" method to introduce the bees but the next > morning, all the swarm was gone. Any tips on how to go about this with > more success? > > John (3rd year keeper) Article 12242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan wars Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998051113382100.JAA05795@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1998 13:38:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3556EC6D.83695047@ibm.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12242 It would be nice if it was safe to leave apistan in over the winter and I am sure most would do it that way- But so far following the instructions has worked for me. If your mileage varies then you do what you have to. As for me as long as it works following the directions thats the way I am going. I would hate to be the guy who made this tool useless. Article 12243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Post causing war in Central North Carolina Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1998051112562700.IAA03371@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1998 12:56:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998051003292100.XAA08282@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12243 >Well, by reading this thread. I believe I'll never buy honey again Ya know i never figured that by posting i'd start a war ! first off let me say that what i did was perfectly sound, i used the apistan strips as per instructed, the only thing i did was move the time up a little earlier ( starting time that is ). The treatment seemed to work better in this area by timing it that way. It may not and of course will not work in your area if temps are still freezing on Jan first , where you are. Btw, our honey flow goes very well right now and i hope to extract @ 350 lbs in the coming week from 4 hives, sadly my 5th honey hive lost her queen, and none are to be found locally, have added a frame of fresh eggs/brood in the hopes that they'll raise a good one. ya'll come see us hk johnson Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 12244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: okie@rotgut.com (Jethro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ulee's gold Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:39:41 GMT Organization: Secret Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35570beb.232817198@enews.newsguy.com> References: <6ijfhg$ksn$1@winter.news.erols.com> Reply-To: Don't Bother NNTP-Posting-Host: p-605.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12244 On or About Mon, 4 May 1998 00:17:08 -0400, John D'Amico pushed the send button on the following : Watched it on PPV this week and thought Peter Fonda did a fine job with the bees. Very few actors would work bees without gloves and a short sleeved shirt! »I have been a beekeeper on a small scale for a few years now, mostly to »pollinate our melons and vegetables, and of course for the honey and the »pure enjoyment of the bees. Tonight we rented the video "Ulee's gold" and I »recommend it to anyone who keeps bees. Even though the bees were not in »every scene, there was enough about them to make any beekeeper smile--John » Article 12245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3556EC0B.82A217A1@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:16:11 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help ! References: <6j1oq5$53h$1@pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.7.201 X-Trace: 11 May 1998 13:16:20 GMT, 32.100.7.201 Lines: 11 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.7.201 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12245 I'll second that! I'd also be interested in that information A reply to my email would be apreaciated. AJWELK@IBM.NET Praktika wrote: > > Dear Sirs please help us find any firm or that sales > equipment to produce "Honey sticks " (candy). > Thanks in avance. > E-mail: roman@praktika.donetsk.ua Roman Shparber. Article 12246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Making a new hive from an existing one Message-ID: <894898771@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:59:31 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12246 On May 10, 1998 11:41pm, RDHACK@MAIL.ITISEASY.COM wrote to ALL: Hello, R> Could anyone tell me the process of taking 3-4 frames of bees (workers R> only) and locking them up inside a new hive to start a new hive. The ideal time would be when you find Queen cells in your main stock remove 3-5 frames with the Queen Bee and put in your nucleus hive. R> How long should they be shut up in the hive? Close up the nucleus and leave in the shade for a few days with a feeder on. Or if move the nucleus to another apiary let them fly. The main stock should be left with one Queen cell. The nucleus will grow in size quickly perhaps replacing the old queen later in the season. R> Will they make a queen? If you didn't mind a brood less period let both nucleus and main stock have a Queen cell each. The Old Queen could be kept safe in case of failer of the mating of either new queens. If you remove a Q-bee from hive, the bee's will make emergency Queen cells from newly laid eggs, 14 days later you will see sealed Queen cells. Regards STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@dircon.co.uk ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 12247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Needed 2 Apistan Strips Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:19:46 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35574141.5002C678@fcbl.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 894914117 EDOBMGQ.FB02FD018C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12247 Would anybody care to sell me 2 apistan strips? I only have 1 hive and cant see the sense buying 10. Thanks Larry Article 12248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drinking bees Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998051120160100.QAA02311@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1998 20:16:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35536E39.EB022262@ne.mediaone.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12248 Bees are very "loyal" to a water source and it is difficult to get them to change. Several have pointed out that bees prefer minerial in their water, which is quit true. One of the downsides of the efforts to clear up point source environmetal run off in the dairy industry is that dairy lagoons are much much "cleaner" that one would expect. I know several beekeepers who have hives near daries that report that their honey crop has a "barnyard" taste (the most polite way I can express the flavor). Seems that the bees are using the dairy lagoons and a water source. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 12249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6ijg5q$ot1$1@winter.news.erols.com> <1998050502133200.WAA22150@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:47:59 -0400 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.172 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.172 Message-ID: <35577ffa.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.172 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12249 Greetings! This is not a new "procedure"..I now of beekeepers who apply the same "techniques". Theory: since brood are "hatching" during the fall..their reasoning is that these "new" bees will be protected during the winter months. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee BeeCrofter wrote in message <1998050502133200.WAA22150@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >>BR> >>I've installed Apistan in late summer, left in on till early spring in >>hives
>>with double brood chambers with excellent results. This has worked well
>>for me now for several years--John
>> >What is a matter with following the damned directions? >Are you trying to breed resistant mites. >Are you trying to get bee drugs removed from our access. > >2 brood cycles-42 days then out of the hive. Article 12250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <355052FA.B8681AFB@mis.net> Subject: Re: visable brood Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:59:20 -0400 Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.172 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.172 Message-ID: <355782a1.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.172 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12250 greetings! I have not read other responses..here goes my 2 cents worth! When you install a package/or replace a queen and place the queen cage between frames or on the floor board..DO NOT INSPECT THAT HIVE FOR AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS!!! Let the queen spread her pheromone and allow her to adjust to the hive. BIGGEST mistake people make..too soon to inspect the hive,you waited only 2 days! You should,if you leave the bees alone, see eggs in a couple of weeks..remember,depending on the syrup and nectar/honey flow, it takes time to BUILD comb! FEED those bees a 1:1 sugar ratio..continuously,until they take no more. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee michael wrote in message <355052FA.B8681AFB@mis.net>... >Hello all, I installed my first package of bees Tueday the 28th of April >checked them Thursday and the queen had been freeded. Being naturally >nervous (like an expectant father) I am egar to see if the queen is >laying good. Not really knowing what to look for, how soon can I expect >to see eggs? > >Thank you, Michael > Article 12251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ulee's gold Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998051122493600.SAA17754@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1998 22:49:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35570beb.232817198@enews.newsguy.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12251 Must be a magician to fill all them drums with them weak hives. Article 12252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring board Date: 12 May 1998 11:43:34 +1000 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 127 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6j89g6$led$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12252 "D Pierce" writes: >I'm just getting started with bees and would like to make a wiring board. >Does anyone know of a website that has a detailed drawing of one? Thanks for >any help. ------------------------ I first posted this some time ago. This is what I built for myself, I hope it helps. If there is enough interest, I'll re-draw it and put it on the web (with dimensions). Sorry, for the ascii graphics! David ============================================================================ Wire tension setup. ------------------LLLLLL-------------LLLLLL---------- | ========================= | | ++++ | | | | + + [-] | | | | + + | | | | ++++ ---0| frame |0--- | | wire | | | | spool | | | | | | | | |_____________________| | | HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | | | | | | | ----------------------------------------------------- The wire spool is mounted on a large bolt and washers to enable the wire spool to spin freely. The bit to the right [-] is something like a block of nylon, or whatever, I used nylon. It stops the wire spooling off the wire reel when you cut off the frame. (You get wire tangles without it) The wire is fed in the top hole of the frame and fed through the other holes and is terminated by wrapping the wire around a tack and driving it into the wood frame. The LLLLL bits on the top of the frame are bits of angle iron screwed onto the top side of the base with a flat side hanging over where the frame top board is shown. This holds it in position. The HHHHHHHHHHH at the bottom of the frame is just a bit of wood about the same height as the frame. These mounts must enable the top of the frame to slip under the angle iron at the top and to go neatly down beside the wood bar at the bottom. Ok, now you have the frame held into position with the wire terminated at the lower right side. The bits at the frame sides drawn as: ---0 enlarged will look like: ============================= | | \________/ / \ Side view Note machined grove around the centre |________| This is where the wire must be free to move from the second to the third hole. This only has to be done at the left side of the frame. ------ / \ |============================= \ 0 / ------ Top view. This is 180 degrees out for the left unit. note the offset hole. This slides over a small bolt (better if welded onto a thin plate if you use a wood base, or the bold moves in the wood. Screw the plate down well.) You then have a sort of cam. The one on the other side (right side) is the mirror image! (it does not have to have the grove cut in it) These cams are used to flex the end side of the frame in (dont over do it or you will bust the frame) You now pull the wire up firmly by hand, turn it around a tack half driven in above the top left hole, then hammer the tack in and flex the wire off. The wire snaps off under the tack head, which does not leave a sharp wire to jab your fingers! Then when you release the cams, the wire will be very firm. Notes: If you over tighten the wire, it will cut the frames, I use a bold ground down as a punch to make a 5mm 45 degree hollow at each hole at the side of the frame, this helps to stop the wire cutting too deep. You can use metal inserts or even a staple next to the hole postitioned where the wire runs over it. Also note, if the outside circle that presses into the wood is too smooth it will slip when you try to tie off the wire, releasing the wire tension. If this happens, use a grinder to rough it up a little. The cams are about 30 to 40 mm , but the size is not critical, just the cam action. I'll have to go home and properly measure mine if more details are needed. ------------------ To melt the wire into the foundation sheet, I have a thick (40mm) block of wood (must be flat) that is the right size for the frame to fit over it. A wax sheet is inserted into the cut at the top of the frame and held against the wire. The fame and wax sheet are slid over the wood block, with the wax down, under the wires!. Then using this: ====================================[T]== I I I I I The ===== is a wooden board a bit longer than the frames The [T] is a heavy push button switch The I are nails hammered into the board at the same height. Wires are soldered to the end two nails, one going via the switch and both going to a 6 volt transformer that is able to put out at least 3 or 4 amps. This tool is gently pressed on the wire, the switch pressed, the wire heats and slowly melts the wax, you release the switch as soon as the wire moves into the wax. You may hit the switch again to sink it in further... Note, this will only take a few seconds! Dont over do it or you will melt the wax in half. Hold the bar steady untill the wax sets a bit, which will only be a few seconds if you didnt overheat it. Dont use anything over 6 volts....it's too quick! I hope this helps a few people.... it took long enough to type! Article 12253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Boy Scouts and Beekeeping Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998051204225400.AAA06166@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1998 04:22:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12253 Well I guess the bee keeping merit badge for boy scouts is not dead (yet anyway). My son was awarded his this evening by his scout master. About the ugliest example of a bee I've ever seen. But hey, he worked for it and earned it, so who am I to melt his wax. But of course my underlying reason for posting this. Is that it is still available and maybe, just maybe, someone else can give the young a deeper appreciation for the bee. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Youth group, church group. Or you can just keep what you've learned to yourself I suppose. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something (me) Article 12254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:04:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 136 Message-ID: <6j8l8u$rd0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6iv09l$4o5k$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <1998051003292100.XAA08282@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 12 05:04:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12254 In article <1998051003292100.XAA08282@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: > > Well, by reading this thread. I believe I'll never buy honey again. Since you are a beekeeper yourself (I think you are anyway) then I would doubt you buy much honey as it is. Even other floral sources honey can often be traded for ya know. >There is > no telling what chemicals it might contain and at what strength. You want to know something? Well even if you don't here goes anyway - when the Sec. 18 strips (EMERGENCY) where first used here in MI the blooming bee inspectors (which we have since denied the right of trespass to via legislation) had to oversee both installation and removal of said strips. In a public bee meeting the then largest beekeeper in the state reported of said time that in at least one hive the strips were not removed quite unintentionally (3,000 colonies or so is what he had then). When he discovered this fact he brought it to the attention of the bee inspectors who then took samples of his honey to see if any traces of fl---- could be found in it (as there is ZERO tolerance for it due to the way the product was originally tested/registered) and guess what THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY!!!!! Which ain't really so amazing if you think about the fact that it is a CONTACT miticide - it is not ingested by the bees so it stands very little chance of getting in the honey via the bees themselves. When it is found in very small traces in honey (in other countries) it is my understanding that this is due to traces of wax in the honey and the fl------ is really in/on the wax which happens to be suspended in the honey sample. >If a person > can't follow simple instructions of when to place and remove the strips then > I'm quite sure that very same person is not worried about selling his product > when the bee's collect their nectar and the strips where left in place. Recall that I related reality to you. I did not say that I condoned or approved of it. Another bit of reality might include that since the new strips are "not reusable" it might well be assumed that much if not most all the fl---- is tracked off the blooming strips by the time the strips should be jerked out anyway. Ever made the rounds of a thousand plus colonies to see how much extra time is involved making an extra trip? > Instructions are designed for a purpose (not the purpose of being ignored). If > they don't work, then do something about getting them changed. Quit adding > problems to an already intolerable situation. > It might be noted that the makers of the dandy strips themselves have changed the instructions for use at least twice or is it thrice in my memory. Feedback from what was and what was not working in the field is I believe what sparked the last change in the directions. As to the problems being added please innumerate what they are as I surely ain't following you on that one - leaving strips in overwinter then jerking them out come Spring is NOT a good way to encourage fl--- resistant mites as per your original thesis - sorry but it just ain't so the way I understand the genetics involved. In my estimation the most intolerable situation is the way so many beekeepers abdicate any personal responsibility to cooperatively work out the best long term solution to our mite and disease woes - GENETIC RESISTANCE. Right NOW HIP has a colony of bees that have lived in MI 4 years UNTREATED under observation in one of our HIP test yards - we have others that are THRIVING after two years UNTREATED in a HIP test yard. The most promising 2 year Untreated Thriving Survivor had 13 Deep frames of brood in late April and out of 100 drone pupae examined NOT ONE mite was found (I am certain there are some mites in the colony but apparently not many). The queen is marked and is the original - a descendant of one of our original batch of HIP AI queens. We are working on getting lots of her daughters out in hives so we can use drones from her best daughters in our HIP AI project. The 4 year Untreated colony mentioned is descended from a later brooding line and had 6 frames of brood on the same late April check date BUT is now booming out and looking more impressive - that line is NOT geared toward early pollination but if ya ain't into that it does have a longer broodless or nearly broodless period which conserves stores and gives the mites less opportunity to reproduce. Okay now that is enough of examples to give you a clue - now imagine if just us 9 common beekeepers involved in HIP can find stock such as that among what we have and what we have intentionally gone out of our way to test - just imagine now if instead of 9 Cooperators we had a whole series of Cooperative breeding programs going in every state. Let's just say that in every state we had 5 beekeepers with at least 500 colonies each and each one picked out the best 20 to put into his/her own Untreated test yard each year. Hmmmmm - that would be 5 times 48 (Hawaii has no mites - not sure if Alaska does or not) or 240 total beekeepers involved. If each one put out his/her best 20 colonies each year to test them you would be talking about 4,800 colonies selected out of a base of 120,000 or more. If each of the Cooperators then ran tests on the best in their test yard and they used just the best colony that survived in thriving condition for two or more years untreated - well come on now you can see for yourself how each person putting in a little could make a HUGE difference via cooperative effort - can't you? And the real shame is we have all the means to do it - we can do AI and yet most of the few VR programs are so blooming puny they hardly stand a decent chance of producing a actually field usable bee even if it can be shown to possess some level of VR. BUT if the beekeepers actually did what they could well do (and what HIP is doing) then we could find and put together the genetic package we need more quickly and more surely. And all it would require is a bit of extra and VERY worthwhile effort - marking colonies that are exceptionally good - surveying amongst them to find those lowest in mite infestation level - taking them to a HIP test yard, then among the survivors grafting off the very best one and pitching in toward the AI project. Now I know all the common excuses so don't bother offering them. I just remind you that breeding to improve your livestock (in this case bees) is a hallmark of a truly good livestock producer. The man who leaves the genetics to chance or to someone else is unlikely to recieve the rewards associated with genetically improving his livestock in ways that will allow it to better help him make a living. Think about it - pushing the genetics always towards the very best - hmmmm I wonder why we need more supers every year?? It takes continuing commitments to make such changes happen - it ain't no overnight project - we are talking long term work with short term dividends along the way even before the goal of "80+% Untreated Thriving Survivor daughters of HIP breeder queens." It is a lofty goal indeed but one worth working for as well. Now if we just could get more beekeepers to actually work cooperatively together for the common good - may miracles never cease. Sincerely, Jack Griffes Coordinator/Founder of the Honeybee Improvement Program http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Boy Scouts and Beekeeping References: <1998051204225400.AAA06166@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:42:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.71 Message-ID: <3557e2af.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12255 In article <1998051204225400.AAA06166@ladder01.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: >Well I guess the bee keeping merit badge for boy scouts is not dead (yet >anyway). My son was awarded his this evening by his scout master. About the >ugliest example of a bee I've ever seen. But hey, he worked for it and earned >it, so who am I to melt his wax. But of course my underlying reason for >posting this. Is that it is still available and maybe, just maybe, someone >else can give the young a deeper appreciation for the bee. Boy Scouts, Girl >Scouts, Youth group, church group. Or you can just keep what you've learned to >yourself I suppose. > >A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something (me) This is a perfect example to PUBLICLY thank Rick Suk for providing me with the requirements for subject merit badge. I have discovered I must submit to a background check to be an 'approved' mentor. I am still waiting for the forms. . Meanwhile the children are ready to rock. Concerning youthful interest. The land owner of one of my apiaries is in his early 30's. When I asked about the site he was estatic, he wanted two things. A: To enjoy a quiet natural area on his land and B: Keep his nephew and friends from tearing up the stated area with thier motorcycles. I love being able to help out a friend.:) ANYway, his fear of bees is falling bit by bit. One year soon I hope to be sharing the labor and THEN being asked to leave as he takes over the area. Not to worry, there are other lands. I would be smiling all the way. More bees can't be a bad thing.:) Article 12256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help ! Date: 12 May 1998 06:37:28 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1998051206372800.CAA11970@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6j1oq5$53h$1@pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12256 In article <6j1oq5$53h$1@pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua>, "Praktika" writes: >Dear Sirs please help us find any firm or that sales >equipment to produce "Honey sticks " (candy). >Thanks in avance. >E-mail: roman@praktika.donetsk.ua Two US manufacturers: (Note: they may consider this proprietary info, but it can't hurt to ask.) Glorybee Foods Inc, 120 N. Seneca Rd. Eugene OR 97402 800-456-7923 Endless Mountains Apiaries, RR2, Box 171A, New Milford, PA 18834 717-465-3232 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: 12 May 1998 06:37:27 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1998051206372701.CAA16219@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6j378r$dn3@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12257 In article <6j378r$dn3@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, smokey writes: >I tried to take my first swarm of the season and merge them with a weak >hive. I used the "newspaper" method to introduce the bees but the next >morning, all the swarm was gone. Any tips on how to go about this with >more success? Swarms are often jumpy and will move on with little provocation. They are best hived at dusk, so that they spend at least the night in their new quarters. I believe you'd also have better luck at joining them with another, if you get the swarm established in their own hive first. Once they have brood, they are unlikely to abscond. Notice that I did not say: they never will abscond! Swarms (and package bees) need to be left alone for the first few days after hiving, except for keeping lots of syrup going to them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-nysernet-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.122.253.90!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bhanson@vaix2.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ants Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:43:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6j9g6e$ril$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.27.74.212 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 12 12:43:58 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12258 I recently observed some ants roaming on and through a hive, that seems healthy. My concern is that I saw one ant carrying what appeared to be an egg. Could the ants be robbing me of population? What other threats might they be providing me? Has anyone had any luck putting vinegar around the bottom of the hive stand? I know vinegar works great to discourage ants indoors. All replies welcome. Ben bhanson@vaix2.net -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wiring Frame Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:53:07 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 182 Message-ID: <35584633.3C10@nt.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) CC: beeman@enterpris.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12259 Subject: Re: Wiring board Date: 12 May 1998 11:43:34 +1000 From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: 1 "D Pierce" writes: >I'm just getting started with bees and would like to make a wiring board. >Does anyone know of a website that has a detailed drawing of one? Thanks for >any help. ------------------------ I first posted this some time ago. This is what I built for myself, I hope it helps. If there is enough interest, I'll re-draw it and put it on the web (with dimensions). Sorry, for the ascii graphics! David ============================================================================ Wire tension setup. ------------------LLLLLL-------------LLLLLL---------- | ========================= | | ++++ | | | | + + [-] | | | | + + | | | | ++++ ---0| frame |0--- | | wire | | | | spool | | | | | | | | |_____________________| | | HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | | | | | | | ----------------------------------------------------- The wire spool is mounted on a large bolt and washers to enable the wire spool to spin freely. The bit to the right [-] is something like a block of nylon, or whatever, I used nylon. It stops the wire spooling off the wire reel when you cut off the frame. (You get wire tangles without it) The wire is fed in the top hole of the frame and fed through the other holes and is terminated by wrapping the wire around a tack and driving it into the wood frame. The LLLLL bits on the top of the frame are bits of angle iron screwed onto the top side of the base with a flat side hanging over where the frame top board is shown. This holds it in position. The HHHHHHHHHHH at the bottom of the frame is just a bit of wood about the same height as the frame. These mounts must enable the top of the frame to slip under the angle iron at the top and to go neatly down beside the wood bar at the bottom. Ok, now you have the frame held into position with the wire terminated at the lower right side. The bits at the frame sides drawn as: ---0 enlarged will look like: ============================= | | \________/ / \ Side view Note machined grove around the centre |________| This is where the wire must be free to move from the second to the third hole. This only has to be done at the left side of the frame. ------ / \ |============================= \ 0 / ------ Top view. This is 180 degrees out for the left unit. note the offset hole. This slides over a small bolt (better if welded onto a thin plate if you use a wood base, or the bold moves in the wood. Screw the plate down well.) You then have a sort of cam. The one on the other side (right side) is the mirror image! (it does not have to have the grove cut in it) These cams are used to flex the end side of the frame in (dont over do it or you will bust the frame) You now pull the wire up firmly by hand, turn it around a tack half driven in above the top left hole, then hammer the tack in and flex the wire off. The wire snaps off under the tack head, which does not leave a sharp wire to jab your fingers! Then when you release the cams, the wire will be very firm. Notes: If you over tighten the wire, it will cut the frames, I use a bold ground down as a punch to make a 5mm 45 degree hollow at each hole at the side of the frame, this helps to stop the wire cutting too deep. You can use metal inserts or even a staple next to the hole postitioned where the wire runs over it. Also note, if the outside circle that presses into the wood is too smooth it will slip when you try to tie off the wire, releasing the wire tension. If this happens, use a grinder to rough it up a little. The cams are about 30 to 40 mm , but the size is not critical, just the cam action. I'll have to go home and properly measure mine if more details are needed. ------------------ To melt the wire into the foundation sheet, I have a thick (40mm) block of wood (must be flat) that is the right size for the frame to fit over it. A wax sheet is inserted into the cut at the top of the frame and held against the wire. The fame and wax sheet are slid over the wood block, with the wax down, under the wires!. Then using this: ====================================[T]== I I I I I The ===== is a wooden board a bit longer than the frames The [T] is a heavy push button switch The I are nails hammered into the board at the same height. Wires are soldered to the end two nails, one going via the switch and both going to a 6 volt transformer that is able to put out at least 3 or 4 amps. This tool is gently pressed on the wire, the switch pressed, the wire heats and slowly melts the wax, you release the switch as soon as the wire moves into the wax. You may hit the switch again to sink it in further... Note, this will only take a few seconds! Dont over do it or you will melt the wax in half. Hold the bar steady untill the wax sets a bit, which will only be a few seconds if you didnt overheat it. Dont use anything over 6 volts....it's too quick! I hope this helps a few people.... it took long enough to type! -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6j9g6e$ril$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Subject: Re: ants Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:08:23 +0100 Lines: 35 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-224.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355852b3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-224.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12260 bhanson@vaix2.net wrote in message <6j9g6e$ril$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >I recently observed some ants roaming on and through a hive, that seems >healthy. My concern is that I saw one ant carrying what appeared to be an >egg. Could the ants be robbing me of population? What other threats might >they be providing me? Has anyone had any luck putting vinegar around the >bottom of the hive stand? I know vinegar works great to discourage ants >indoors. > >All replies welcome. > >Ben > >bhanson@vaix2.net > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading There are many ways to keep ants, and other insects, out. My current favourite is Teflon (TM) tape, which you put on vertical surfaces. Theoretically, nothing can climb up it! (www.thorne.co.uk for more inf.) '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk Take Me to Your Dealer! Abolish the Monarchy! Auto-delete address. Change 'SPAM' to 'bees' to e-mail. Article 12261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen traps Date: 12 May 1998 17:19:33 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <01bd7dc9$da75e5a0$69c366ce@pavilion> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.102.195.105 X-Trace: 894993573 LCXKGXCMTC369CE66C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12261 Need plans for a pollen cleaner and self cleaner pollen trap. Thanks. momsplace@theriver.com Article 12262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial1.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: 12 May 98 19:33:46 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01bd7ddc$8ba89400$c280a19d@default> References: <6ijg5q$ot1$1@winter.news.erols.com> <1998050502133200.WAA22150@ladder01.news.aol.com>#1/1 <6ioo1h$u97$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12262 jack_griffes@hotmail.com schrieb im Beitrag <6ioo1h$u97$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > In article <1998050502133200.WAA22150@ladder01.news.aol.com>#1/1, > beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > snip > > Then following that economic decision Joe > realizes it eats up a lot of time soaking wood strips and putting them in > colonies so he starts spraying the bottom bars and bottom boards and if that > don't seem to work eventually he pops the lids and hits the top bars. All > the while Joe is switching over from careful dosing to eyeball dosing and > thus goes the recipe for actually producing fluvalinte resistant mites. Then > when the spray stops working Joe gets some strips and trys them again. Mind > you I don't condone that but I do understand that it is what has happened. > snip From my own observation, this is exactly how it had happened in parts of the old world. While any biocide treatment may lead to resistance in the target population there are certainly ways to accelerate it! Try and explain to Joe that Apistan is not just a drug substance but at the same time an application form (the strip) which had been carefully developed for delivering the right concentration of 'stuff' over the right period of time over most of the hive? francis Article 12263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: "NAME" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rimouski Québec Date: 12 May 1998 19:48:45 GMT Organization: GlobeTrotter Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd7dde$f25af1a0$1a00a8c0@wg26.wingate> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.f104.quebectel.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12263 We are in the spring; it's a wonderfut season after the winter.I like to see the sea whithout ice.The fishermen begin to fish in the Saint-Laurent river. I like ti travel along the river during the spring and the summer. Bye From Québec Pauline Article 12264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When a Bee Keeper dies Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1998 21:24:13 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12264 I heard this really creepy superstition the other day about when a Bee Keeper (note please the capital letters) dies. The superstition goes ... that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone preferably his wife or husband should go and tell his bees - otherwise they will leave (I nearly said depart) the hive. spooky! Someone said that this has been disproved as many times as it had been proved. Does this superstition prevail outside the UK? regards Nick Article 12265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in the Bahamas Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998051221270700.RAA12746@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1998 21:27:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35586FC3.CBD@ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12265 I have some friends who are building their dream home on the Island of Eleuthera and are thinking of taking up beekeeping. Can anyone provide information on beekeeping in the Bahamas and whether bees can be brought there from the USA or obtained on Island. Thanks- Tom in CT Article 12266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Bouke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varoa Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:23:35 +0200 Organization: World Online Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6jaedg$h56$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: grngn1-p39.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12266 I missed the discussion about the possible cure of the varoa mite by mineral oil. Please send me info. Article 12267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!grolier!not-for-mail From: LOIC Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:33:08 +0200 Organization: Votre société Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3558C014.2A80@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: lstmbee@club-internet.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: bordeaux3-67.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12267 I Look for a software for management hives AT download on the WEB,thanks you for vos reply ! Article 12268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: When a Bee Keeper dies Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:57:36 +0100 Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-211.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3558c3fb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-211.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12268 NTemplar wrote in message <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >I heard this really creepy superstition the other day about when a Bee Keeper >(note please the capital letters) dies. > >The superstition goes ... that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone preferably his >wife or husband should go and tell his bees - otherwise they will leave (I >nearly said depart) the hive. > >spooky! Someone said that this has been disproved as many times as it had been >proved. Does this superstition prevail outside the UK? > >regards > >Nick This is centuries old, and is not just when someone dies (though this is the most important!). You should tell the bees *everything*, all that is news. Because if you don't tell them, and they find out for themselves, they will be angry, and will leave. (ie., 'Swarm'. In the absence of any knowledge of the real reason, it was as good an explanation of swarming as any other). '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk Take Me to Your Dealer! Abolish the Monarchy! Auto-delete address. Change 'SPAM' to 'jaf' to e-mail. Apian correspondence to 'bees@' as above Article 12269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:46:08 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3558ED50.5375762D@valley.net> References: <6iv09l$4o5k$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <1998051003292100.XAA08282@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6j8l8u$rd0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-219.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12269 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > > > .....Right NOW > HIP has a colony of bees that have lived in MI 4 years UNTREATED under > observation in one of our HIP test yards - we have others that are THRIVING > after two years UNTREATED in a HIP test yard. The most promising 2 year > Untreated Thriving Survivor had 13 Deep frames of brood in late April and out > of 100 drone pupae examined NOT ONE mite was found (I am certain there are > some mites in the colony but apparently not many). The queen is marked and > is the original - a descendant of one of our original batch of HIP AI > queens. We are working on getting lots of her daughters out in hives so we > can use drones from her best daughters in our HIP AI project. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jack Griffes > Coordinator/Founder of the > Honeybee Improvement Program > http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > greetings, jack. your results are most impressive. a 4 year old untreated hive in a mite infested area is quite a feat and gives us all hope of an ultimate treatment against v-mites. do the 9 of you crossbreed with stock from each other's yards? have you noticed any impact on other, desirable characteristics, for example, frugality, temperament, or colony size? have you tried deliberately infecting [i.e. high dosing, as opposed to relying on mother nature] one of the mite-free colonies, say, by adding a frame or 2 of brood from a heavily infected colony? certainly not trying to give advise on how to run your program, just curious as to some of the details. good luck and continued success with your program! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.ulak.net.tr!news.bilkent.edu.tr!bursa!yyilmaz From: Yalovali Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollens ? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:48:16 +0300 Organization: Bilkent University Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bursa.ug.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: yyilmaz@bursa Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12270 hello ... to prepare the pollen to store or consume, which procedures are necessary, how should they be dried ??? and what is the most natural way of doing that (i mean, without any chemicals :) tnx... Yasin Article 12271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: visable brood Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:08:19 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 76 Message-ID: <3558F283.C0F9AF9F@valley.net> References: <355052FA.B8681AFB@mis.net> <355782a1.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-219.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12271 Midnite wrote: > greetings! > I have not read other responses..here goes my 2 cents worth! > When you install a package/or replace a queen and place the queen cage > between frames or on the floor board..DO NOT INSPECT THAT HIVE FOR AT LEAST > SEVEN DAYS!!! Let the queen spread her pheromone and allow her to adjust to > the hive. > BIGGEST mistake people make..too soon to inspect the hive,you waited only 2 > days! > You should,if you leave the bees alone, see eggs in a couple of > weeks..remember,depending on the syrup and nectar/honey flow, it takes time > to BUILD comb! > FEED those bees a 1:1 sugar ratio..continuously,until they take no more. > Herb > > -- > Holly-B Apiary > P.O. Box 26 > Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee > michael wrote in message <355052FA.B8681AFB@mis.net>... > >Hello all, I installed my first package of bees Tueday the 28th of April > >checked them Thursday and the queen had been freeded. Being naturally > >nervous (like an expectant father) I am egar to see if the queen is > >laying good. Not really knowing what to look for, how soon can I expect > >to see eggs? > > > >Thank you, Michael > > greetings, herb. your advice is, of course, quite accurate. but, fwiw, i'll add my 1/2 cent story to your comments. having lost my buckfast queen over the winter and, thus, my colony [with much ensuing depression over the fact], i purchased a 3 lb. package of italians this spring. they were in the mail for a long 7 days, getting stuck in a us postal transfer station over the weekend. about 1/3 of the bees were DOA, but the queen was ok [solo cage w/o attendants]. i added the package and the queen to the hive [they were in an ugly mood] and waited. i checked after 2 days, and they had not even started on the candy plug, even though i had punched a small hole clean through it with a nail before adding the cage to the hive [and they were still in a bad mood]. since 1) spring hit early up here in new hampshire and 2) i was anxious to get the colony off and running, figuring i had some badly stressed bees already reduced in numbers by 1/3 and 3) the queen and the bees had been together for something like 10 days, due to the long shipment time and 4) the bees seemed to be making no hostile moves toward the queen in her cage, i took matters into my own hands, pried the screen loose on the cage, releasing the queen, and hoped for the best. after 2 days i checked the hive and saw both the queen and fresh eggs. a week later i have capped brood and lots of everything in between. i'm not saying that what i did was right, because, in general, it wasn't. [i did it, because i figured i could get a new queen in a hurry, if i guessed wrong, and i plan to requeen this summer, anyway, to go back to buckfasts]. but, on this occasion i was lucky and it worked. i'm not sure what the original point of this story was. maybe, it's that bees can't read and, so, don't know what we humans have to say about them in our books, magazines and postings? no, i guess the point is that you just never know. last fall i went into the winter with a very strong colony with an extra super of stores and lost my queen. this spring i jumped the gun by the better part of a week releasing the queen early and lucked out. go figure. bill p.s. the colony is in much better spirts these days, too, though still not as good natured as my buckfasts from last year. ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:38:04 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <355923AC.C86@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup50.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12272 I'll be getting my first hive of bees this Friday. The best place for the hive will be in a 2 acre field where we keep a normally gentle old mare (white, not gray). Is there anything I don't know about horses or bees that might make this a bad idea? We keep the horse partly to help keep the grass down, so even if she would learn to stay away from the hive after a sting or two, I'd like to think she would not become afraid of the entire area around the hive. More importantly, I'd hope she wouldn't be likely to knock the hive over in ignorance or curiosity. Thanks in advance for any advice. Article 12273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boy Scouts and Beekeeping Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998051302540700.WAA24775@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1998 02:54:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3557e2af.0@news3.paonline.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12273 Could someone please send me a copy of the requirements for the beekeeping merit badge. Thank You Jeffery E Reader Article 12274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ulee's gold Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:16:54 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3558F486.8E9E53C@valley.net> References: <6ijfhg$ksn$1@winter.news.erols.com> <35570beb.232817198@enews.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-219.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12274 Jethro wrote: > On or About Mon, 4 May 1998 00:17:08 -0400, John D'Amico pushed the > send button on the following : > > Watched it on PPV this week and thought Peter Fonda did a fine job > with the bees. Very few actors would work bees without gloves and a > short sleeved shirt! > i heard him give an interview on npr, and he said that his dad kept bees as a hobby. [ain't that cool, that henry fonda kept bees?] as a result he knew a little about them from his childhood. but, he still got lots of instruction from a local beekeeper. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "Calvin Ashby" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Voroa Research? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:31:57 -0000 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-2-142.sea.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12275 I have had dogs for years, and as anyone with dogs should know there are now medications that you can simply give your dog once a month to kill fleas, ticks, and worms. Is there not some way to develop a medication that can be feed to bees ( in the sugar water mixture) that could do the same thing? It seems the mites are to the bees what ticks are to dogs ( a blood sucking parasite). It seems that the medication would be systemic in action and would not bother the production of honey since the bee does not actually digest the nectar. Article 12276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.jersey.net!usrb16-2-9.jaguarsystems.com!user From: sjbeekep@jnlk.com (Samuel D. Garrett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:51:56 -0500 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving S. NJ (609)227-4428 Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: <6j9g6e$ril$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <355852b3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: usrb16-2-9.jaguarsystems.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12276 You can also try those little ant traps sold at the supermarket. One on top of the innercover and one at the base does the trick for me. The bees can't get to hte poison and one kind I found has a poison that the ants take back to the antqueen and terminates the whole antcolony Article 12277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removal of propolis buildup from gloves Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:52:39 -0400 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3558FCE7.6A22@povn.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp202.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12277 Hi Ya-all: A while back I posted a request for methods of removing the excedss propolis from my canvas bee gloves. I received several excellent replies as to how to wash it out, but recently I have come up with a way to remove the surface buildup on a temporary basis. When the propolis buildup gets to be too much, merely toss the gloves into the freezer overnight. First thing in the morning rap them soundly up the side of a tree or fence post and the propolis will shatter off. Of course this won't get the stuff out of the material itself but it will do a passable job of removing the excess buildup from the exterior of the gloves and get you through until you have the time to do the job right. I haven't sprung for a pair of leather gloves yet so can't vouch for them, but I would assume this approach should work the same regardless the material. As for you bee keepers who haven't experienced an allergic reaction to honey bee venom yet and are still able to work without gloves, I'm reasonably sure this won't work for removing the porpolis from your hands. :-) Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 12278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:04:18 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <355937E1.40660639@fcbl.net> References: <6j9g6e$ril$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <355852b3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895039576 EDOBMGQ.FB030D018C usenet51.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12278 I use 4 tin cans. I put the legs of my hive bench in the can and add a little motor oil, even if it fills with rain the water evaporates and leaves the oil. The ants cant cross the oil mote, and I have lots of them FIRE ants. Larry Samuel D. Garrett wrote: > You can also try those little ant traps sold at the supermarket. One on > top of the innercover and one at the base does the trick for me. The bees > can't get to hte poison and one kind I found has a poison that the ants > take back to the antqueen and terminates the whole antcolony Article 12279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beekeeping.guide@miningco.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Interviews Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:12:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6j9hsi$tea$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.240.45.113 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 12 13:12:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12279 Hi Everyone, I just wanted to say a Big "Thank You" to everyone who has stopped by my site. And to let you know that I'm interested in doing e-mail interviews with beekeepers around the world. If you or someone you know may be interested in an e-mail interview, that will be the feature story on my site for a week. Or if you would like to suggest a question for the interviews. Contact me for more information. Please put "Bee Interview" into the subject line, as I get a ton of e-mail, Thanks. Kind Regards, Sherry Medders beekeeping.guide@miningco.com http://beekeeping.miningco.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Alpine Wildflowers: Nectar Source? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:31:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6j9mgs$2r7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6ivdid$d26$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3553cae0.10707134@news.oneimage.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 12 14:31:56 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12280 In article <3553cae0.10707134@news.oneimage.com>, 72777.2026@compuserve.com (Bumblebee) wrote: > > What was his elevation? I am at 7800' in NW Central Mountains of > Colorado and there are no competing bees in my valley (except > bumblebees) and last year my bees produced quite a bit of really bad > honey. Dark and really strong flavored. Too strong for pancakes, but > you can tolerate it in coffee and some cooking. I can't figure it > out...All 9 hives had the worst honey I could imagine. I was totally > surprised and stuck with a lot of honey which I am now feeding back to > them. Lots of clover, thistle in later summer and dandelion is just > starting. > bumblebee I'm really not sure of his elevation, but my best guess would be somewhere around 6,000-6,500 feet; the date was mid-May, 1997. We were well above the city of Tashkent, but not yet to the ski area east of the city and further up into the mountains. His honey appeared "normal" to me -- I was raised on light amber Sioux Bee -- and I don't remember anything remarkable about the taste either. As to your very dark and strong flavored honey, do you have any idea when it was gathered? Were all your filled filled with the dark honey? I'm wondering if it might be possible to identify the source(s) based on the time different wildflowers bloom? (Just a thought, I'm a rank beginner at all this.) Thanks for your reply, Bumblebee, and good luck this season. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Resources or FAQ Needed Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:50:27 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35586FC3.CBD@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd7b41$3e8d9a00$99ed1cce@herbwagn> Reply-To: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: atl-ga23-15.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com 894988251 25159 205.186.178.143 (12 May 1998 15:50:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1998 15:50:51 GMT To: Jarrod Loerzel X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12281 Jarrod Loerzel wrote: > > Hello All- > I'm extremely new to the bee-keeping arena, and would like to know if there are any good sources on starting with bee keeping? How do you get the "starter" bees? What equipment is needed? Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? Jarrod, Try http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/ DR Article 12282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:16:42 +0100 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-226.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peernews.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-226.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12282 Calvin Ashby wrote in message <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net>... >I have had dogs for years, and as anyone with dogs should know there are now >medications that you can simply give your dog once a month to kill fleas, >ticks, and worms. Is there not some way to develop a medication that can >be feed to bees ( in the sugar water mixture) that could do the same thing? >It seems the mites are to the bees what ticks are to dogs ( a blood sucking >parasite). It seems that the medication would be systemic in action and >would not bother the production of honey since the bee does not actually >digest the nectar. > > I think the big difference is that dogs/fleas are different phyla, whereas bees/mites are all insectoids. It's the same as aspirin, which is fine for humans, and can be fatal for dogs. What kills the mite, can kill the bee. '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk Take Me to Your Dealer! Abolish the Monarchy! Auto-delete address. Change 'SPAM' to 'jaf' to e-mail. Article 12283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:54:10 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35591961.2530@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 31-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12283 Is there a special way to store wax after you have melted it down? Or do you do nothing. Thanks Kent Article 12284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making a new hive from an existing one Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:12:16 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3557CC20.7E74@kingston.net> References: <35566691.0@199.103.243.32> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 51-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12284 Richard Hackworth wrote: > > Greetings, > > Could anyone tell me the process of taking 3-4 frames of bees (workers only) > and locking them up inside a new hive to start a new hive. > > Will they make a queen? > > How long should they be shut up in the hive? > > Any info would bee appreciated Well Richard I just went through that so I'll pass on my experience. I awoke this spring to find my hive bursting at the seams. So to start swarm prevention I removed 5 frames of bees. 3 frames were brood in various stages and 2 frames of food. One frame already had queen cells located in the center of the frame (supercedure??) I also did the other usually swarm prev. methods. Well 3 weeks later the nuc queens have dissappeared. My nuc has alot of bees, pollen and honey. But no queen and no brood! So today I came home to a swarm. Hmm, so much for my swarm prevention :-) After four stings I managed to get the queen in the hive. This is my first swarm so every sting is an earned battle scar. These are also my first stings. I'll unit the nuc and swarm and requeen. To answer your question about the bees making a queen, they will try but my understanding is you need larval up to 3 days old to get good queens after that you will get an intercaste. So if your brood is not young enough you will get nothing. Its a calculated chance you take. I have not closed the hive before. I reduced the entrance. But I'm not sure its good to close the hive this time of year. They need water and ventilation. I assume the hive will be in close proximity to the other hives? Most of the bees on the frames I moved were young so there was apparently very few bees moving back to the home hive. My suggestion is to buy a queen and make a nuc. But what you want to do is a good learning experience as it was for me and after all this is what beekeeping is partly about "learning". Who knows it may work for you. Another thing, unless your hive is busting out like mine it might be better to take from two hives. This way you won't weaken a hive to much. Good luck and let me know how it works out for you! Kent Stienburg Article 12285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment from Central North Carolina Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:50:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 162 Message-ID: <6jc8fi$reg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6iv09l$4o5k$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <1998051003292100.XAA08282@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6j8l8u$rd0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3558ED50.5375762D@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 13 13:50:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12285 In article <3558ED50.5375762D@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > .....Right NOW > > HIP has a colony of bees that have lived in MI 4 years UNTREATED under > > observation in one of our HIP test yards - we have others that are THRIVING > > after two years UNTREATED in a HIP test yard. The most promising 2 year > > Untreated Thriving Survivor had 13 Deep frames of brood in late April and out > > of 100 drone pupae examined NOT ONE mite was found (I am certain there are > > some mites in the colony but apparently not many). The queen is marked and > > is the original - a descendant of one of our original batch of HIP AI > > queens. We are working on getting lots of her daughters out in hives so we > > can use drones from her best daughters in our HIP AI project. > > greetings, jack. > > your results are most impressive. a 4 year old untreated hive in a mite infested > area is quite a feat and gives us all hope of an ultimate treatment against > v-mites. do the 9 of you crossbreed with stock from each other's yards? We pool the best of the best for our annual AI project. We make plans as to the best use (drone or queen mother) of the multiple year Untreated Thriving Survivor queens and use them accordingly. We also exchange cells (one of the reasons we have been experimenting with overnight mail shipment of queen cells) and/or sometimes breeder queens (don't like risking these gals necks via shipment - they are TOO valuable). > have you > noticed any impact on other, desirable characteristics, for example, frugality, > temperament, or colony size? All of the things you listed are FAR more heritible than is dual mite resistance from what we are seeing. Thus we select for the economic traits as the PRIMARY criterion in the first wave or pre-selection phase. Handling traits (calmness on comb, gentleness) are also important to us - if the best of the best have a calmer, gentler specimen among them we use her at a higher level to push the population in that direction. True snots are given the royal execution via whatever means is handy - generally the edge of the hive tool decapitation. So in brief we are seeing a greater influence manifested on things such as brood production timed and maintained like we want it - as per LOTS of brood when it is needed - shut down for winter to be more frugal and less stressful on colony. We favor colonies that really BOOM out in early Spring - this requires being awake enough as a manager to keep them from getting honeybound (thus having workers feeding each other royal jelly since they have little if any young brood to feed = swarm trigger according to European research) when later bloomers ain't even filling up their boxes yet. It is better for early pollination and allows making of earlier splits as well. > have you tried deliberately infecting [i.e. high > dosing, as opposed to relying on mother nature] one of the mite-free colonies, > say, by adding a frame or 2 of brood from a heavily infected colony? We did briefly a few years back and then quit doing it - why? We felt like this was NOT an accurate reflection of reality. -- The way we look at it (whether right or wrong - hopefully closer to right all the time) despite all our studying on this issue via text, direct communication with various scientists and other bee breeders, and our own personal observations - despite all we learn/know we still feel like we don't know EXACTLY what it takes to make a good bee strain highly resistant (as per at an economic level) to both tracheal and varroa mites simultaneously. We are left much as the late Brother Adam was MANY years ago relative to "Isle of Wight disease" (before they knew it was T-mites) having to breed from stock which shows no signs of the disease/problem - no visible indications that the mites are causing trouble for them. We put the untreated test colonies together and some of them do crash - how many varies from year to year depending on MANY variables many of which are outside our control. This gives the survivors a real life scenario of whether or not they can handle that little reality of nature - the donation of mites and disease brought in via the home-seeking remaining bees in a crashing colony. Do some for instance guard better against such invaders? We don't know. Do some let the invaders in and then other resistance mechanisms deal with the mite donation? Could be. Since we don't really know the answers to MANY looming questions we do our best to select for the traits we are most certain about (overwintering, rapid Spring build-up, high honey production, calmness, gentleness) and then let Nature sort out the rest via giving them the 2 year untreated phase of the test. This has the side benefit of improving our bee stock in immediately useful ways while we are chasing our dream of a dual mite resistant bee - a dream we hope but do not yet know will be fulfilled in due time. (ain't been done before) We have found that one year untreated ain't enough of a test any longer - at first it seemed to be - this could well have more to do with a change in the host/parasite relationship than anything else - another question left without a "for sure" answer. We also realize that making any queen evaluation upwards of two years in length means we will and do loose some dandy queens to supersedure and then have to evaluate if the daughter can do what Mama could do and determine how to best use her if she can (generally first choice would be drone source IF daughter is good - thus recouping some of Mama's genetics). A shorter yet complete and accurate test would be desirable - but one that truly and fully correlates to reality yet is short in duration has not been proven to exist as of yet. As a side note - recruitment pitch. Ain't got over 500 colonies? Well I bet you still could help out. Keep your eyes pealed for stock of interest to us - Multiple year Untreated Thriving Survivors - get with me if you find/know of any - that is one way. Another way if you have friends of like mind is to jointly act as a HIP Cooperator - in other words the two or three or 25 of you each evaluate your own yards (ten plus colonies per yard) and then pull the best of the best back to a common untreated test yard for the final phase. Another simple way to help a pinch at least is via using HIP stock in your hives. You see if more people work together and we get more drones flying carrying resistant genes (rather than susceptible) we will in due time move the whole bee population toward a higher level of resistance - even if we can never get to the "never needs treatment" stage of resistance it would still help to be able to cut back to only one treatment needed per year (rather than two - saving TIME and money). Well as things are now the deck is stacked against even that happening - whenever you put susceptible queen stock in your colonies you help insure that loads of drones will fly carrying susceptible genes we would IMO be better off without. Of course on the flip side whenever you use the best stock "being actively selected for resistance" that we currently have you likewise increase the odds that those genes needed to promote resistance start showing up at a higher frequency in the overall bee population. In a nutshell - this is a "we need to work together" sorta project - we can't put it off in a corner and say "oh when the researchers get the silver bullet discovered/bred then I'll use it - until then I'll just forget about it as their ain't nothing I can do to help" as this only "way of thinking" helps insure we will not live to see the day when the bees themselves will be able to keep both mites in check all on their own via our continuing propagation of susceptible stock. So let's work together toward the best long term solution which is genetic dual mite resistance. (okay I concede it would be better if we could just make the mites disappear permanently) Even if we can't ever get to the "never needs treatment" level of resistance pushing things in that direction cooperatively would/will still be beneficial to us all (imagine just halving your treatment cost in labor and materials - if you are a commercial beekeeper you are talking substantial savings). Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Onsted, MI USA -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!rquillen From: rquillen@rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Robert C. Quillen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeening package Date: 13 May 1998 15:38:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6jcepr$eod$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12286 When should a package be requeened? I've read that colonies should be requeened in the fall. Does this apply to packages that were installed that spring? -Robert Quillen Article 12287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When a Bee Keeper dies Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:47:02 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3559EAA5.5580E64E@calwest.net> References: <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3558c3fb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc3-20-142.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12287 What would the bees say if they could talk? Find out what they are saying about MAD BEE DISEASE at: http://beenet.com Hint: Look on the back page bottom ttul, the OLd Drone >Kidney John wrote: > >The superstition goes ... that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone > >preferably his wife or husband should go and tell his bees Article 12288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring Frame Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:10:54 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3559C60E.7366@nt.com> References: <35584633.3C10@nt.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12288 Whoops! I don't what I did to cause the previous message to be re-posted here as though I was the author. I intended to forward it to my home Email as my ISP has a problem with getting messages from this news group, normally reports no messages when I know yjere are becuase I saw then at work? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:19:28 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <355A0050.3EA4@erols.com> References: <355923AC.C86@usit.net> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-74-92.s92.tnt2.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 895091063 12523 207.172.74.92 (13 May 1998 20:24:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12289 BAD IDEA!!!!! Horses are very curious and they will probably end up knocking your hive over....and might not learn first time. Best to keep them apart by a hot wire fence or some other barrier. Jeffrey Dugan wrote: > > I'll be getting my first hive of bees this Friday. The best > place for the hive will be in a 2 acre field where we keep a normally > gentle old mare (white, not gray). Is there anything I don't know about > horses or bees that might make this a bad idea? We keep the horse partly > to help keep the grass down, so even if she would learn to stay away from > the hive after a sting or two, I'd like to think she would not become > afraid of the entire area around the hive. More importantly, I'd hope > she wouldn't be likely to knock the hive over in ignorance or curiosity. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. Article 12290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: 100 year old American Bee Journals Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:27:12 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 65 Message-ID: <355A0220.268A@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: btr-la1-06.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 13 5:30:31 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12290 Fellow Gentlefolk, As a hobby beekeeper, I was excited to purchase a while ago at an antique auction 6 volumes of ABJ published in 1895 and 1898. I've read and enjoyed them and now want to pass them on to others who might appreciate them. The issues are made of of 16-1/2" x 11" paper folded in half and stapled. Although the paper is a light tan color, and some sheets are tearing along the fold, the individual pages are otherwise in very good to excellent condition. The issues are listed below, along with some excerpts for everyone's interest. I'm selling them for $8 each and I'll pay the postage. First come, first served, but I'll also provide the list of those whose offers were too late to the successful buyers in case they want to pass them on later. Thanks, Doug. American Bee Journal (published weekly with a $1.00/yr subscription) Dec. 19, 1895, 35th year, No. 51. Pages 805-820. Advertisement: "A No 1" Amber Fall Honey in 60-lb cans, 1 can - 8 cents/lb, 2 or more cans - 7 cents/lb. Send a 2 cent stamp for a sample. Feb. 10, 1898, 38th year, No. 6. Pages 81-96. Interesting discussion of history and status of British beekeeping. 53,000 beekeepers with average of 5 col. each. Yield in good locations is 100-150 lbs each, and aver. locations 50-60 lbs. Comb honey in Britan goes for 14-50 cents and extracted honey about 12 cents. Feb. 17, 1898, 38th year, No. 7. Pages 97-112. A.I. Root was selling 10 frame hives for $1.30 each, includes honey-board, foundation starters. A beekeeper in Defiance Co., Ohio had a scale hive which yielded 396 lbs. in 1897, with a daily increase during part of the best flow of 18-26 lbs. From his 50 colonies, he totaled 10,175 lbs, and average of 203 lbs while increasing the number of hives to 103 by splits and swarms. He figures the new colonies are worth more than $2 each, and the honey sells for 10 cents/lb for a total of $1124, which he equated to 6391 bushels of corn or 225 tons of hay. May 26, 1898, 38th year, No. 21. Pages 322-336. Bingham Smoke Engine smokers for $1.50 each. Untested queens sold for $1 (price in the fall was 3/$1). The Pacific Bee Journal stopped being published because the editor was called up for the Spanish American War. One man was arrested inCalif. for keeping 100 colonies "charging him with maintaining a nuisance" - his bees "ate up and destroyed the fruit" of his neighbors. He couldn't afford the $50 fine, so he spent at least 10 days in jail of a 25 day sentence. Sept. 22, 1898, 38th year, No. 38. Pages 594-608. A man in St. Charles, IL noted that his bees were gathering red honey, and he couldn't tell where it was coming from. A few days later, he heard of a neighbor's wife who had made some currant jell, and she had put it out on the window-sill to cool. When she returned, all her jelly was gone and the jars licked clean. It had all been stored in honeycombs. Nov. 17, 1898, 38th year, No. 46. Pages 722-736. A man complains that the bottom boards made from two pieces form a crack as the wood drys. He wants the manufacturers to go back to one-piece bottom boards. Elk Co., Pa - "I got 1724 lbs of honey from 50 colonies...Not so bad for an off year." New York extracted honey prices- white 6cents/lb, amber 5-1/2c, dark 5c, 'Southern' in half barrels and barrels 55c-60c per gallon. Article 12291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!news5.cableinet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1998051323043775982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <355923AC.C86@usit.net> <355A0050.3EA4@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12291 The message <355A0050.3EA4@erols.com> from Donn contains these words: > BAD IDEA!!!!! > Horses are very curious and they will probably end up knocking your hive > over I keep both bees and horses, and keep both well apart. The horse will love the nice sharp corners of the hive to rub against > Jeffrey Dugan wrote: > > The best place for the hive will be in a 2 acre field where we keep a normally > > gentle old mare (white, not gray). Is there anything I don't know about > > horses or bees that might make this a bad idea? Many colonies of bees can't stand the smell of horses - it makes them very aggressive and it's not fair on the horse! Regards, Phil. Article 12292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!206.61.0.4!okra.negia.net!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aaaah, the Aroma! Date: 14 May 1998 01:31:16 GMT Organization: NorthEast Georgia Internet Access Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd7ed8$53ccac40$a4003dce@pettyben> References: <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: temppp4.negia.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12292 want to smell something else really great? next time you dump a mess of bees in front of the hive for any reason and they all start to walk back in to the hive put your face right down in there and get a good head full of Nasanov! WOW ps. what's a "househole"? Kidney John wrote in article <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > Somebody, please, invent a way to 'bottle' the smell of the inside of a > healthy beehive, for sale as a househole air-freshener! > I'd buy it! > (I've just bought some new foundation, and can't stop 'snorting' it! > Is there any hope for me?) Article 12293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aaaah, the Aroma! Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:53:08 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-192.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-192.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12293 Somebody, please, invent a way to 'bottle' the smell of the inside of a healthy beehive, for sale as a househole air-freshener! I'd buy it! (I've just bought some new foundation, and can't stop 'snorting' it! Is there any hope for me?) '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk Take Me to Your Dealer! Abolish the Monarchy! Auto-delete address. Change 'SPAM' to 'jaf' for personal, 'bees' for apian, 'foadd' for anti-monarchist e-mail. Article 12294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:38:28 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <355A3D04.2EC@ix.netcom.com> References: <355923AC.C86@usit.net> <355A0050.3EA4@erols.com> <1998051323043775982@zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: btr-la1-06.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 13 5:39:01 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12294 I agree, there are too many anecdotes about bees and horses not getting along. Whether it is the smell, rubbing the hive body, or the constantly swishing tail, putting a bee hive where a horse has access is not a good idea. If you must place it there, fence off a corner for the hive and turn the hive entrance away from where the horse could be seen. Doug Philip Roger Gurr wrote: > > The message <355A0050.3EA4@erols.com> > from Donn contains these words: > > > BAD IDEA!!!!! > > > Horses are very curious and they will probably end up knocking your hive > > over > > I keep both bees and horses, and keep both well apart. The horse > will love the nice sharp corners of the hive to rub against > > > Jeffrey Dugan wrote: > > > The best place for the hive will be in a 2 acre field where we keep a normally > > > gentle old mare (white, not gray). Is there anything I don't know about > > > horses or bees that might make this a bad idea? > > Many colonies of bees can't stand the smell of horses - it makes them > very aggressive and it's not fair on the horse! > > Regards, > > Phil. Article 12295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aaaah, the Aroma! Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:36:25 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <355A66B9.C1FD98F3@ix.netcom.com> References: <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bd7ed8$53ccac40$a4003dce@pettyben> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx8-14.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 13 8:36:58 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12295 Are we sure that the answer can be repeated in mixed company? susan petty wrote: > want to smell something else really great? next time you dump a mess of > bees in front of the hive for any reason and they all start to walk back in > to the hive put your face right down in there and get a good head full of > Nasanov! WOW > > ps. what's a "househole"? > > Kidney John wrote in article > <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > > Somebody, please, invent a way to 'bottle' the smell of the inside of a > > healthy beehive, for sale as a househole air-freshener! > > I'd buy it! > > (I've just bought some new foundation, and can't stop 'snorting' it! > > Is there any hope for me?) Article 12296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aaaah, the Aroma! Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:30:10 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6jdog3$g8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 14 03:30:10 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12296 In article <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, "Kidney John" wrote: > > Somebody, please, invent a way to 'bottle' the smell of the inside of a > healthy beehive, for sale as a househole air-freshener! > I'd buy it! > (I've just bought some new foundation, and can't stop 'snorting' it! > Is there any hope for me?) > John, The prognosis is guarded at best. To date nobody has shown me evidence that a single serious case of bee fever has actually been completely cured. Best wishes though, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Boy Scouts and Beekeeping Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:45:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6jdlsi$bu6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3557e2af.0@news3.paonline.com> <1998051302540700.WAA24775@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 14 02:45:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12297 In article <1998051302540700.WAA24775@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) wrote: > > Could someone please send me a copy of the requirements for the beekeeping > merit badge. > > Thank You > Jeffery E Reader > please check the archives or DejaNews as I posted the entire requirements of this merit badge a little while back. The merit badge was discontinued what now a couple years ago. Perhaps someday they will bring it back again - they do that with some merit badges that don't see many boys earning them. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged Bees. Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:04:47 -0700 Organization: Blue Bunny Enterprizes Lines: 12 Message-ID: <355AA59F.7306@indy.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip87-116.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12298 Well. we got our package of Buckfast Bee's froma surprised Post Office. We followed all the rules we had seen in the books and waited seven days. Well they had Burr comb in places and we couldn't find the queen. We had checked after one week. We sealed it uo and hoped for the best. A couple of days later we opened it up again and on the very last frame we found the queen. We moved that frame into the middle closed it up and are hoping that we we check it this week she will be laying some eggs. Tobi and Mary Very new at this. Article 12299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <355a2d0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bd7ed8$53ccac40$a4003dce@pettyben> Subject: Re: Aaaah, the Aroma! Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:16:53 +0100 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-213.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355a8c4c.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-213.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12299 >ps. what's a "househole"? > It's a badly typed household! In my excitement (?) I didn't proof read. I hope to have the 'Nasonov' experience, in the very near future........but won't it make me want to climb in with the girls? ©John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk (Auto-delete address) Change to 'jaf@',send any anti-royal inf.to 'foadd@' (Please!) "The difference between science and religion, is that science still works, even if you don't believe in it" Article 12300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!darla.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.abs.net!news.bconnex.net!hme0-2.sharednews.sprint.ca!HME1.newsfeed.sprint.ca!hme1-2.newscontent.sprint.ca!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Askew" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax moths Date: 14 May 1998 02:12:31 GMT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd7ede$74ceeec0$dd8194d1@defaultu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hme1-2.news.sprint.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-lon-uas-10-70.sprint.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12300 Any suggestions as to control/eradicate wax moths, around stored hive bodies with frames. It appears that some have just hatched with the warmer weather. Article 12301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!darla.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.new-york.net!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: 14 May 1998 14:12:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-35.sl004.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12301 In article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>, biotech@qnet.com says... > >Greetings, > > I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive >near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros and >cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? I got midnights many years ago from York Bee Co. of Jessup, GA. They did very well for me. The only problem is excessive propolis. See http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ Article 12302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:42:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6jeoru$u29$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <355923AC.C86@usit.net> <355A0050.3EA4@erols.com> <1998051323043775982@zetnet.co.uk> <355A3D04.2EC@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 14 12:42:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12302 > > > Jeffrey Dugan wrote: > > > > The best place for the hive will be in a 2 acre field where we keep a normally > > > > gentle old mare (white, not gray). Is there anything I don't know about > > > > horses or bees that might make this a bad idea? Sorry to delete the other attributions. Jeffrey, You definitely want to fence the horse out of direct access to the hive(s). No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. While some few horses have enough horse sense to leave the area if they get stung other horses upon being stung or buzzed at will lie down and roll while still in close proximity and that of course leads only to more stings. Due caution needs to be taken in placing any furry odiforous animal in a pen which confines them to stay within close proximity to bee colonies. Jack Griffes ps-whose own mare likes to watch us work the bees BUT will hightail it to the far away other end of the pasture when the first upset bees buzz her - at our old place she also would only graze near the beeyard fence at night or when it was raining - she has horsesense but unfortunately it can't be said of all horses (I used to work with horses by profession as a farrier and as a trainer) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!newsfeed.gte.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998051415342100.LAA01474@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1998 15:34:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <355A3D04.2EC@ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12303 Horses and bees don't mix in my experiance. Ever see a crazed horse crash through the fence wire? Not pretty. Like getting a call to move these bees now? Probably better off elsewhere. Article 12304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Sucker/Blower Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998051414285200.KAA01063@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1998 14:28:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12304 Anyone have plans for a bee sucker that you can use on swarms or reverse it when you are taking off suppers? Article 12305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6jdog3$g8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998051411350401.HAA16530@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Aaaah, the Aroma! Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:04:11 +0100 Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-218.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355aec18.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-218.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12305 HarrisonRW wrote in message <1998051411350401.HAA16530@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >John, >I am sorry but there are no 12 step groups for beekeepers. You will just >have to tough it out! > >Varroa has hit the feral bee colonies very hard here in New England and has >wiped out about 95% of them. Last night I picked up a very large swarm >(downtown New Haven). This is the first "good" size swarm I have picked up in >three years. > >On the ride home the smell of the bees (nasanov glan) coming from the back of >the van was so good I just wanted to ride around with them all night. There is >nothing like the smell of swarm! > >Regards, >Ralph >Milford, Connecticut USA > > Well, the council and the police have got my phone number, so the next time a swarm bothers anyone, off I go with my cardboard box under my arm, and a bottle sprayer in my pocket. the hive is ready and waiting; a bit sad, an empty hive, like a house, but not a home..... (sentimental mode off) Hopefully, if this weather keeps up for a couple of days, the call should come any time...... John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk (Auto-delete address) Change to 'jaf@',send any anti-monarchy inf.to 'foadd@' (Please!) "The difference between science and religion, is that science still works, even if you don't believe in it" Article 12306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!test-news.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Updated win31 Hivenote software (Multilingual) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:19:35 +0200 Organization: Apimo Biavl Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6jc00u$3fqa$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.rd.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12306 Dear all win31 users! I Promissed to inform You when the win31 edition of the hivenotesoftware was done. It is now on the server and the ur are as follows : ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/edbi/updates/upwin31.exe I have not yet added it to my url so you can use this :-) You must be aware of that the full archive is requiered too together with the BDE tools. Those urls are as follows : for the hivenote archive ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/bidata/win31pg/bidat31.exe and for the database tools ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Science/Agriculture/beenet/databas1.zip regards Jorn Johanesson Beekeeper since 1970 EDBi = Beekeeping software since 1986 homepages http://wn.com.au/apimo http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 12307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sucker/Blower Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998051420284600.QAA24688@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1998 20:28:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998051414285200.KAA01063@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12307 From: dougb713@aol.com >Anyone have plans for a bee sucker that you can use on swarms or reverse >it
>when you are taking off suppers? Check this month's Bee Culture. I tend to put on suppers (right around my middle). Wish I could take them off...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!NewsWatcher!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I give up Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:15:31 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 57 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.29.92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12308 After pampering my bees all winter, giving them proper medication, good snacks, lots of room, proper hive body rotation starting in April etc, I came home today to find that they decided to leave me. I have gotten real good capturing swarms... three times last year . Well... my Apple tree got pruned a bit more than I had expected, but I got them back. I just dont think they like me anymore! Added three supers & dumped them all back in. Couldnt find the Q, and I assume she was in there somewhere in that mess ( maybe 5 lbs of bees), so if there is another one, they will fight it out. Joke is.. I was in the hive last week, saw that there were swarm cells, and thought I got them all. Then I supered, figuring that I just prevented a swarm. NOT! I confess though... these bees have provided me hours of fun and occasional amusement ( like trying to get the swarm before it got dark knowing that at first light they would probably move. Daughter got some good pix safe from her bedroom window. At least she thinks they are good pix. Im just glad this is a hobby, and my real work pays for all this foolery:-) Oh well. I tried. Some year... I hope to have bees long enough to have a good crop of honey. maybe this year... if they stay......and dont get mites... and dont get AFB... etc etc etc. -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Jackson Bunny<- "Live Free or Die" Article 12309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Which Queen? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:01:28 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.141 Message-ID: <355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!207.1.217.141 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12309 Just wondering, During a swarm, which queen leaves the hive? The newly hatched or the old one? Thanks Article 12310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "Calvin Ashby" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super or No Super? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:35:13 -0000 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6jg9nt$k1d$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-2-193.sea.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12310 I am a brand new beekeeper. I live in central Arkansas and do not have the slightest idea about the honey flow here, so I am at the mercy of what information the nice people on this news group supply. My bees have been installed for 3 weeks now, and when I did my 3 week inspection I found about five or six frames of sealed brood. Now here it is the middle of May and my hive is about half full of brood. I have heard the May is the main flow here and there is not really anything else to amount to much later. Now I should start to see new bees pretty soon but will they be out in time? My question is: Do I put on a super for them? When? and if they do not fill it by winter will they have enough stores with what they stored around the brood nest or will I have to feed them? Thanks for you much appreciated help. Calvin Article 12311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Needed 2 Apistan Strips Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:53:45 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <355BAE39.29F7B036@fcbl.net> References: <35574141.5002C678@fcbl.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895200589 EDOBMGQ.FB032D018C usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12311 guess not! Larry WIlliard wrote: > Would anybody care to sell me 2 apistan strips? I only have 1 hive and > cant see the sense buying 10. > Thanks > Larry Article 12312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I give up Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:58:27 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 17 Message-ID: <355BAF53.D99997AA@hotmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-58.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12312 Ira Seskin wrote: > Joke is.. I was in the hive last week, saw that there were swarm cells, > and thought I got them all. Then I supered, figuring that I just prevented > a swarm. NOT! Those swarm cells you removed... they weren't capped, were they? According to my mentor/instructor in beekeeping, once the queen cells are capped, the bees have already "decided" to swarm, and destroying the capped cells merely insures that the remaining bees will be queenless. Good luck with your recaptured swarm! -Drox Article 12313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Which Queen? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:01:31 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <355BB00B.3CFF@erols.com> References: <355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-75-155.s155.tnt3.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 895201589 29983 207.172.75.155 (15 May 1998 03:06:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12313 Richard Hackworth wrote: > > Just wondering, During a swarm, which queen leaves the hive? The newly > hatched or the old one? > > Thanks The old queen is the one that takes off to find a new home. The new queen will stay and once bred, will then start laying in the hive. Article 12314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Which Queen? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:00:00 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 13 Message-ID: <355BAFAF.C7C6E403@hotmail.com> References: <355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-58.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12314 Richard Hackworth wrote: > Just wondering, During a swarm, which queen leaves the hive? The newly > hatched or the old one? The old one. She generally leaves before the new queen hatches out. That way they avoid the queen-fight. -Drox Article 12315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!boris.eden.com!not-for-mail From: "R.A.T." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: 15 May 1998 07:19:13 GMT Organization: AMICI Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bd7fc1$8775c560$84f451ce@richard> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.244.81 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12315 I have tried to get to : http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ and have not be able to. Any suggestions? Jerome R. Long wrote in article <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > In article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>, biotech@qnet.com says... > > > >Greetings, > > > > I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive > >near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros and > >cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? > > I got midnights many years ago from York Bee Co. of Jessup, GA. They did very > well for me. The only problem is excessive propolis. > See http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ > > Article 12316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super or No Super? Date: 15 May 1998 06:19:49 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6jgmq5$n77@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6jg9nt$k1d$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.127 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12316 I'd continue to feed them, add a second deep for brood and stores and let them draw this out. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Calvin Ashby wrote in article <6jg9nt$k1d$1@news.ipa.net>... > I am a brand new beekeeper. I live in central Arkansas and do not have the > slightest idea about the honey flow here, so I am at the mercy of what > information the nice people on this news group supply. > > My bees have been installed for 3 weeks now, and when I did my 3 week > inspection I found about five or six frames of sealed brood. Now here it > is the middle of May and my hive is about half full of brood. I have heard > the May is the main flow here and there is not really anything else to > amount to much later. Now I should start to see new bees pretty soon but > will they be out in time? > > My question is: Do I put on a super for them? When? and if they do not fill > it by winter will they have enough stores with what they stored around the > brood nest or will I have to feed them? > > Thanks for you much appreciated help. > Calvin > > > Article 12317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: bnfb@concentric.net (The James' Gang) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: have strange bee"s in front yard Date: 15 May 1998 01:06:40 EDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <355bc966.2107736@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts006d06.tac-wa.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12317 hi my name is Darold I live in Bonney lake Washington .I seen this bee that has a blue strip aroud the mid section shorter than the regular honney bee,whats the name of this bee?I have mason blocks up around the trees,fruit type ,the nest are full and plug off something is going in and out of the blocks looks like flys need info on inter city pollenation help sos/may day on this one Article 12318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!quillpen.demon.co.uk!Jerzy From: Jerzy Owczarski Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Information on UK Bumblebee Req. Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:16:01 +0100 Sender: Jerzy Owczarski Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: quillpen.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: quillpen.demon.co.uk:193.237.15.48 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895209451 nnrp-07:24238 NO-IDENT quillpen.demon.co.uk:193.237.15.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12318 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:25 I'm a UK writer doing a bit of research and looking for some basic answers about the Bumblebee, also known as the Humblebee. All answers should ONLY potain to the variety of Bumblebee found in the UK. 1. Where do they live, how long for, do they hibernate? 2. What is their purpose in life, are they related to the honeybee? 3. Do they sting, if so, do they die on stinging, how toxic is their sting? Stating your name and conection with the bee world, please post answers to the NG or e-mail Jerzy@quillpen.demon.co.uk (in which case please remove the 'NOSPAM' from the reply to) Or list me a web site(s) where I can find answers to these questions. Many Thanks -- Jerzy Owczarski Article 12319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Which Queen? Date: 15 May 1998 06:14:52 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6jgmgs$n77@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.127 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12319 Old one unless it is an afterswarm, then it will be a newly hatched one. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Richard Hackworth wrote in article <355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32>... > Just wondering, During a swarm, which queen leaves the hive? The newly > hatched or the old one? > > Thanks > > > > > Article 12320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!sibyl.sunrise.ch!not-for-mail From: Werner Leuenberger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Estonian beekeepers Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:49:22 +0200 Organization: ComAssisT Consulting Lines: 5 Message-ID: <355BE572.9E326C96@swissonline.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-winterthur1-6.spectraweb.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12320 I plan to visit Estonia this August and I looking for Estonian beekeepers. Werner Article 12321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot spring Date: 15 May 1998 11:45:22 GMT Organization: IQuest Internet, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bd7ff7$c9db8b20$55f135ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-001-21.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12321 This is only our second year and we have one hive from last summer along with 5 new. The second year hive has 2 brood boxes and 1 super for now. The brood is full of various stages of babies along with that ugly looking honey. They haven't started drawing out the super yet. We're in north central Indiana and are having an unusually hot spell right now. The other night I came home and there were bees on the outside of both broods and I was scared that they were swarming. I'm afraid I just managed to make them mad by getting inside to see what was going on (I can be clumsy sometimes) but I couldn't really tell anything. Is it possible that they are just hot and needed to get some fresh air? Up here I thought the swarming season came a month or so later. The clover is just now starting to bloom so I'd hate like heck to loose the chance at good production from a seasoned hive because I'm such a novice. What do I look for to see if they are getting ready to swarm? Thanks for your help - this NG is a great comfort at times! Julie & Roger Article 12322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on UK Bumblebee Req. Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:04:13 +0100 Lines: 67 Message-ID: <1998051512041375982@zetnet.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12322 The message from Jerzy Owczarski contains these words: > I'm a UK writer doing a bit of research and looking for some basic > answers about the Bumblebee, also known as the Humblebee. > All answers should ONLY potain to the variety of Bumblebee found in the > UK. There are 19 species of the true Bumblebee in the U.K. all belonging to the genus Bombus. The four common species are:- B. lapidarius, B. agrorum, B. terrestris B. muscorum They differ markedly in size but their life- cycles are very similar. > 1. Where do they live, how long for, do they hibernate? Their favourite nest site is an abandoned mouse hole or similar, but they can nest above ground and the nest is usually lined with dry grass, moss or leaves, in which the individual wax pots are made to receive the eggs. The workers live just through the summer but the young mated queens hibernate to emerge in the following spring to start new colonies. The `old' queen usually dies in the autumn along with the worker bees. > 2. What is their purpose in life, are they related to the honeybee? Their purpose in life - like yours and mine (:-)) is to survive and reproduce (;-) The can be important pollinators as they will often work in conditions that would keep honeybees inside the hive. They are related to the honeybee - but not closely, belonging to a separate family of the Order Hymenoptera. > 3. Do they sting, if so, do they die on stinging, how toxic is their > sting? Yes they do sting although they are generally more placid than honeybees. People are usually stung through handerkerchiefs etc. when trying to `help' bumblebees out of the house. I don't know if they die, the ones that have stung me have apparently been uninjured and have left no sting in, and yes it hurts but no more so than a honeybee (to which I am now immune). I would assume that toxicity depends (like the honeybee) on individual tolerance. Mail me if you want more info. Regards, Phil (retired palaeontologist and beekeeper) > Stating your name and conection with the bee world, please post answers > to the NG or e-mail Jerzy@quillpen.demon.co.uk (in which case please > remove the 'NOSPAM' from the reply to) > Or list me a web site(s) where I can find answers to these questions. > Many Thanks > -- > Jerzy Owczarski Article 12323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: Re: Information on UK Bumblebee Req. Message-ID: <355C3BC7.E1029E97@analogic.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:57:43 -0400 References: <1998051512041375982@zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12323 > As long as you are discussing bumblebees, I have observed something > interesting this Spring. We are having a beautiful and plentiful bloom of rhododendrons here in Massachusetts. I understand that rhodie nectar and pollen are poisonous to bees. Happily, my honey bees are ignoring them. What I have noticed are bumblebees servicing the rhodies. Are they immune to its poisons? Article 12324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <01bd7fc1$8775c560$84f451ce@richard> Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:51:00 -0400 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.51 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.51 Message-ID: <355c2c00.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12324 Greetings, The site is located at:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http:www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee R.A.T. wrote in message <01bd7fc1$8775c560$84f451ce@richard>... >I have tried to get to : http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ >and have not be able to. Any suggestions? > >Jerome R. Long wrote in article ><6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >> In article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>, biotech@qnet.com says... >> > >> >Greetings, >> > >> > I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive >> >near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros and >> >cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? >> >> I got midnights many years ago from York Bee Co. of Jessup, GA. They did >very >> well for me. The only problem is excessive propolis. >> See http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ >> >> Article 12325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!darla.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ais.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!zcarh46f.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on UK Bumblebee Req. Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:44:44 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 29 Message-ID: <355C38BC.1C3A@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12325 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:26 Jerzy Owczarski wrote: > > I'm a UK writer doing a bit of research and looking for some basic > answers about the Bumblebee, also known as the Humblebee. > All answers should ONLY potain to the variety of Bumblebee found in the > UK. > > 1. Where do they live, how long for, do they hibernate? Holes in the ground, don't know, Queen overwinters alone > 2. What is their purpose in life, are they related to the honeybee? What is the purpose of anything's life? They do do a lot of pollination, possibly related > 3. Do they sting, if so, do they die on stinging, how toxic is their > sting? They do have a sting but don't use it readily and I don't think they die if they do use it. I'm a beekeeper. You could try the British Beekeepers Association web page http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm Reply spliced between questions above. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on UK Bumblebee Req. Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:02:49 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1998051515024975982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <1998051512041375982@zetnet.co.uk> <355C3BC7.E1029E97@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12326 The message <355C3BC7.E1029E97@analogic.com> from Howard Cohen contains these words: > We are having a beautiful and plentiful bloom of rhododendrons here in > Massachusetts. I understand that rhodie nectar and pollen are poisonous > to bees. Happily, my honey bees are ignoring them. > What I have noticed are bumblebees servicing the rhodies. Are they > immune to its poisons? Another couple of weeks before our Rhodies start blooming here in the Northern Highlands of Scotland. My 5 hives are within a few feet of the Rhodies but the honeybees never visit them. However they are full of bumblebees when they're in flower and are also much favoured by wasps. Having kept sheep, I know that Rhododendrons are very poisonous if they eat them - the standard remedy is to dose with cold tea, which is very effective - so you know what to do if your honeybees get sick (:-) might even work for varroa (;-). Regards, Phil. Article 12327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Searching for 2 books Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:06:42 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6jhi5i$rv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.165 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 15 14:06:42 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12327 Could anyone offer advice on where I might find two books: (1) S.E. McGregor's "Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants," 1976, USDA, now reportedly out of print; and (2) "American Honey Plants" by F.C. Pellett? Also, I'd appreciate any recommendations on literature regarding wildflowers as nectar and pollen sources. Thank you. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When a Bee Keeper dies Date: 15 May 1998 13:06:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6jhekv$75f$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3558c3fb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <3559EAA5.5580E64E@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12328 >>Kidney John wrote: > >> >The superstition goes ... that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone >> >preferably his wife or husband should go and tell his bees > It's called "the telling of the bees". Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: 15 May 1998 13:13:57 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6jhf2l$7ds$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12329 In article <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, Kidney John wrote: >> >I think the big difference is that dogs/fleas are different phyla, >whereas bees/mites are all insectoids. It's the same as aspirin, which >is fine for humans, and can be fatal for dogs. Mites are in the class Arachnida, whereas honey bees are in the class Insecta. Both are in the phylum Arthropoda. The analogy of comparing apples to oranges doesn't even do justice to bees vs mites. Mites are really cool, phylogenetically. They are extremely adaptive and rival their sister class Insecta in diversity. Ticks are also in the class Arachnida. Arachnids have eight legs-- insects have six. Look for interesting Varroa mite research from Penn State over the next few years. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:56:44 +0100 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895244396 nnrp-02:3317 NO-IDENT pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.med.nutrition:90769 sci.agriculture:26042 sci.agriculture.poultry:5337 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12330 sci.agriculture.fruit:1789 sci.agriculture.ratites:1247 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 12331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When a Bee Keeper dies Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998051514163500.KAA18565@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1998 14:16:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6jhekv$75f$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12331 Usually when a beekeeper dies all the stuff in his garage gets so full of wax moths as to be totally ruined. Went the route with the boiling lye water to get a beekeepers son started up after all the gear was ruined. Probably reason enough for being a mentor is to see that your bees have a good successor when you go toes up. Article 12332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!axis.scu.edu.au!nornet2.nor.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Geoff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian Native Bees Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:42:48 +1000 Organization: NorNet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6jhg2v$90s$1@nornet2.nor.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp10.nor.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12332 Having no past experience in beekeeping I'm wondering if anyone can give me any info on Australian Native Bees? I have Just aquired a hive. These bees are the size of a common house fly. They will be living in my back yard where I have Australian natives growing such as bottle brush, banksia, lilly pilly, and fruit trees (lemons, orange, mandarin). I spray the citrus quarterly for sooty mould and bronze beatle. Will this effect the native bees? Any other info will be appreciated. Thanks Article 12333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Eric JALLY" Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Annuaire les Pages Vertes Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:30:16 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6jhke7$les$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tln2-218.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.sustainable.agriculture:21722 sci.agriculture:26044 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12333 sci.agriculture.fruit:1790 sci.agriculture.poultry:5339 sci.agriculture.ratites:1248 LES PAGES VERTES, annuaire professionnel des filieres viti-vinicole, horticole, arboricole et legumiere Bonjour, nous vous proposons un nouveau site qui, nous le pensons, aura sa place sur Internet. 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Je vous remercie de votre ecoute, et j'espere a bientot. Webmestre: Eric JALLY L'annuaire Les Pages Vertes est a l'adresse suivante: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jally/agricole Article 12334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest24@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super or No Super? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:44:52 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 35 Message-ID: <355C62F4.4FA5A862@galstar.com> References: <6jg9nt$k1d$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: star08533.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12334 Calvin Ashby wrote: > I am a brand new beekeeper. I live in central > Arkansas and do not have the > slightest idea about the honey flow here, so I > am at the mercy of what > information the nice people on this news group > supply. > > My bees have been installed for 3 weeks now, and > when I did my 3 week > inspection I found about five or six frames of > sealed brood. Now here it > is the middle of May and my hive is about half > full of brood. I have heard > the May is the main flow here and there is not > really anything else to > amount to much later. Now I should start to see > new bees pretty soon but > will they be out in time? > > My question is: Do I put on a super for them? > When? and if they do not fill > it by winter will they have enough stores with > what they stored around the > brood nest or will I have to feed them? > > Thanks for you much appreciated help. > Calvin It is time to add a hive body or a super is when there are 7 or 8 frames full. hope this helps. gw Article 12335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: US Honey Market Reports Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:49:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <355c62e5.897088@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 Lines: 18 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!europa.clark.net!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!calwebnntp!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12335 If you are interested in the Honey Market Reports the OLd Drone just posted them for you at: http://beenet.com ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, Ca BTW: Find the OLd Drones picture and identify his friend and way a nice bee keepers gift. Only rule is you must also report the number of visitors at the top of "page two". (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bill726@aol.com (Bill726) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Herbicides and wild bees Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998051516004500.MAA25708@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1998 16:00:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12336 Mr. Dave Green, I have just came from spraying a herbicide around a couple of new apple trees that I have planted. During the spraying I accidently hit some wild flowers on which I had seen wild bees.How toxic are herbicides to wild bees? Bill Article 12337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Bees! On Your Marks! Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:04:07 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6ji3f5$aer$2@magnolia.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp23.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12337 The winter should finally be over with this year here today in California. On your marks, bees; get ready; set; GO! Work work work work work Article 12338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32> <6jgmgs$n77@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Which Queen? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:54:06 +0100 Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355c8718.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12338 George Styer wrote in message <6jgmgs$n77@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >Old one unless it is an afterswarm, then it will be a newly hatched one. >-- >Geo >"Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > >Richard Hackworth wrote in article ><355ba21c.0@199.103.243.32>... >> Just wondering, During a swarm, which queen leaves the hive? The newly >> hatched or the old one? >> >> Thanks >> Old one. Very often, once she has established a new colony, she will be quietly superceded by the workers, so they end up with a new queen, too. Maybe if she knew this would be her last ever flight, she'd be a bit more reluctant to swarm, in the first place! It would certainly make the apisrists life easier! John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk (Auto-delete address) Change to 'jaf@',send any anti-monarchy inf.to 'foadd@' (Please!) "The difference between science and religion, is that science still works, even if you don't believe in it" Article 12339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <355BAF53.D99997AA@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: I give up Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:21:48 +0100 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355c871a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12339 Drox wrote in message <355BAF53.D99997AA@hotmail.com>... > > >Ira Seskin wrote: > >> Joke is.. I was in the hive last week, saw that there were swarm cells, >> and thought I got them all. Then I supered, figuring that I just prevented >> a swarm. NOT! > >Those swarm cells you removed... they weren't capped, were they? According to >my mentor/instructor in beekeeping, once the queen cells are capped, the bees >have already "decided" to swarm, and destroying the capped cells merely >insures that the remaining bees will be queenless. > >Good luck with your recaptured swarm! > >-Drox > The only way to return a swarm to its original hive, is to put it in a new one, after a couple of days/weeks, when they are settled, remove the old queen and put them back (re-unite). Otherwise you have a 90/10 chance that they'll go again.........Instead of buying extra equipment, use an empty super as a 'nuc' hive,, then 'unite' by newspaper method, through a q.excluder. The bees will cover the existing brood, until all emerged, then clean up and start storing honey, in the existing comb...If you don't fancy this honey to eat, leave it for the bees, personally, since we don't catch the same diseases as bees, it hardly matters, and in days of yore, they ate brood, comb, eggs, and all, after robbing wild colonies. hth John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk (Auto-delete address) Change to 'jaf@',send any anti-monarchy inf.to 'foadd@' (Please!) "The difference between science and religion, is that science still works, even if you don't believe in it" Article 12340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <6jhf2l$7ds$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:55:43 +0100 Lines: 45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355c8719.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12340 Adam Finkelstein wrote in message <6jhf2l$7ds$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >In article <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, >Kidney John wrote: >>> >>I think the big difference is that dogs/fleas are different phyla, >>whereas bees/mites are all insectoids. It's the same as aspirin, which >>is fine for humans, and can be fatal for dogs. > >Mites are in the class Arachnida, whereas honey bees are in the class Insecta. >Both are in the phylum Arthropoda. > >The analogy of comparing apples to oranges doesn't even do justice to bees vs >mites. Mites are really cool, phylogenetically. They are extremely adaptive and >rival their sister class Insecta in diversity. Ticks are also in the class >Arachnida. > >Arachnids have eight legs-- insects have six. > > >Look for interesting Varroa mite research from Penn State over the next few >years. > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Useful information, thanks. I did carefully say 'insectoids', ie., along similar lines, as far as 'design' goes........ John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk (Auto-delete address) Change to 'jaf@',send any anti-monarchy inf.to 'foadd@' (Please!) "The difference between science and religion, is that science still works, even if you don't believe in it" Article 12341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial1.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When a Bee Keeper dies Date: 15 May 98 19:50:01 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd803a$4ca9d920$c280a19d@default> References: <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12341 NTemplar schrieb im Beitrag <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > The superstition goes ... that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone preferably his > wife or husband should go and tell his bees - otherwise they will leave (I > nearly said depart) the hive. Formerly also known in northern Germany where a traditional formula existed to 'bespeak' the hive. francis Article 12342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Australian Native Bees Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:43:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1998051518435175982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <6jhg2v$90s$1@nornet2.nor.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12342 The message <6jhg2v$90s$1@nornet2.nor.com.au> from "Geoff" contains these words: > Having no past experience in beekeeping I'm wondering if anyone can give me > any info on Australian Native Bees? I have Just aquired a hive. These bees > are the size of a common house fly. They will be living in my back yard > where I have Australian natives growing such as bottle brush, banksia, lilly > pilly, and fruit trees (lemons, orange, mandarin). I spray the citrus > quarterly for sooty mould and bronze beatle. > Will this effect the native bees? Sooty mould - no Bronze beetle - most definately yes Phil. Article 12343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollens ? Date: 14 May 1998 11:34:30 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 41 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <01bd7f2c$19b012a0$583488cf@larryfar> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu May 14 06:34:30 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30-24.ght.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12343 > to prepare the pollen to store or consume, which procedures are > necessary, how should they be dried ??? > and what is the most natural way of doing that > (i mean, without any chemicals :) The first thing I do is freeze the pollen. This will do several things: 1) It will help keep the pollen fresh until you are ready to clean it -- when you have the necessary time. 2) It tends to kill any living small insects (mites, fleas, etc.). 3) The low humidity of a freezer will remove the moisture. Pollen cleaning is a labor intensive chore. For the most part, it has to be done by hand (IF you expect to get it clean enough for human consumption). I have read about "blowing" debris off the pollen; the problem with that, is that a lot of the debris is the same weight as the little balls of pollen. So to get the air velocity up to the speed necessary to blow the debris away, you will also be blowing pollen away! My technique is to first of all freeze it. Then when I'm ready to clean it (by hand), I usually put several scoops of pollen in a metal screen basket and flip it over and over. This will remove a lot of the dust-sized pollen (and some small debris); leaving only the nice, large (...a relative term, yes?) balls of pollen. Then I place this in a large plastic tray and literally sort through it by hand, removing the debris. P.S. -- I have noticed that when I place the pollen in the plastic tray -- there is an electrostatic charge which takes place between the tray/pollen/debris. The debris (trash) seems to have a different electrical charge than the pollen and is attracted to the plastic tray. If someone would get a little "inventative" with this concept, I'm sure some sort of 'electrostatic magnet' could be developed which would remove the debris much easier and faster. (....naw, I don't need money for this idea -- but I would accept one of the cleaning devices!). Cheers! ----------------- Busy Knight Dallas, Texas Article 12344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aaaah, the Aroma! Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998051411350401.HAA16530@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1998 11:35:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6jdog3$g8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12344 John, I am sorry but there are no 12 step groups for beekeepers. You will just have to tough it out! Varroa has hit the feral bee colonies very hard here in New England and has wiped out about 95% of them. Last night I picked up a very large swarm (downtown New Haven). This is the first "good" size swarm I have picked up in three years. On the ride home the smell of the bees (nasanov glan) coming from the back of the van was so good I just wanted to ride around with them all night. There is nothing like the smell of swarm! Regards, Ralph Milford, Connecticut USA Article 12345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in the Bahamas Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:06:41 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <355AC231.3BC1@juno.com> References: <35586FC3.CBD@ix.netcom.com> <1998051221270700.RAA12746@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895151038 OCZ7E7JIA4F29CDD8C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: BeeCrofter Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12345 it's been a couple of years since my last trip to 'lutra, but at the time there was a commercial operation in the south part of the island (tarpum bay, maybee?)...bees used to come in from florida in the past, don't know if that's possible/desirable any more... will gladly exchange inspection/consultant services for visiting privileges anytime! Article 12346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: pollens ? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:33:48 +0100 Lines: 56 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-218.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <355aec0e.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-218.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12346 Busy Knight wrote in message ... >> to prepare the pollen to store or consume, which procedures are >> necessary, how should they be dried ??? >> and what is the most natural way of doing that >> (i mean, without any chemicals :) > >The first thing I do is freeze the pollen. This will do several >things: >1) It will help keep the pollen fresh until you are ready to >clean it -- when you have the necessary time. >2) It tends to kill any living small insects (mites, fleas, etc.). >3) The low humidity of a freezer will remove the moisture. > >Pollen cleaning is a labor intensive chore. For the most >part, it has to be done by hand (IF you expect to get it clean >enough for human consumption). I have read about "blowing" >debris off the pollen; the problem with that, is that a lot of >the debris is the same weight as the little balls of pollen. So >to get the air velocity up to the speed necessary to blow the >debris away, you will also be blowing pollen away! > >My technique is to first of all freeze it. Then when I'm ready >to clean it (by hand), I usually put several scoops of pollen >in a metal screen basket and flip it over and over. This will >remove a lot of the dust-sized pollen (and some small debris); >leaving only the nice, large (...a relative term, yes?) balls of pollen. >Then I place this in a large plastic tray and literally sort through >it by hand, removing the debris. > >P.S. -- I have noticed that when I place the pollen in the plastic >tray -- there is an electrostatic charge which takes place between >the tray/pollen/debris. The debris (trash) seems to have a different >electrical charge than the pollen and is attracted to the plastic >tray. If someone would get a little "inventative" with this concept, >I'm sure some sort of 'electrostatic magnet' could be developed >which would remove the debris much easier and faster. (....naw, >I don't need money for this idea -- but I would accept one of the >cleaning devices!). Cheers! >----------------- >Busy Knight >Dallas, Texas > Suggestion. Use a different material tray, and rub a plastic comb, rod, or something on your sleeve. Wave it slowly over the pollen. Theoretically pollen or debris (one or the other) should jump up to the 'implement' (theoretically, mind!) ©John SPAM@gemini.nildram.co.uk (Auto-delete address) Change to 'jaf@',send any anti-monarchy inf.to 'foadd@' (Please!) "The difference between science and religion, is that science still works, even if you don't believe in it" Article 12347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.70.128.241!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: Kacey Barriss Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Annuaire les Pages Vertes Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:49:28 -0700 Organization: Innovative PaperWorks Lines: 15 Message-ID: <355D1AD8.66EC@lcc.net> References: <6jhke7$les$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: conr-ddas4-a21.lcc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: Eric JALLY Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.sustainable.agriculture:21724 sci.agriculture:26065 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12347 sci.agriculture.fruit:1791 sci.agriculture.poultry:5341 sci.agriculture.ratites:1254 Bonjour. Oui, je' aimerait recevoir Vertes de Pages de Les, cependant, mon browser dit qu'il ne peut pas trouver votre ISP. Kacey > L'annuaire Les Pages Vertes est a l'adresse suivante: > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jally/agricole -- Support the American Ratite Industry! Kacey Barriss, Line Camp, Innovative PaperWorks, Member AEA, TEA, SHAERA, MCEA email kacey@lcc.net webpage http://www.pier37.com/IPW-emu Fax 409-890-1333 Pager 409-525-4652 Article 12348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:22:06 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <355BB4D8.8ABA9009@starpoint.net> References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.78 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 895288959 7136 206.146.5.78 (16 May 1998 03:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 1998 03:22:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12348 Calvin Ashby wrote: > I have had dogs for years, and as anyone with dogs should know there are now > medications that you can simply give your dog once a month to kill fleas, > ticks, and worms. Is there not some way to develop a medication that can > be feed to bees ( in the sugar water mixture) that could do the same thing? > It seems the mites are to the bees what ticks are to dogs ( a blood sucking > parasite). It seems that the medication would be systemic in action and > would not bother the production of honey since the bee does not actually > digest the nectar. Hi Calvin, and All There is a chemical strip (Apistan) to use spring and summer, it's fairly easy to use. I have had bees in the 70's and never heard of the mites at that time, I had since restarted last spring with 25 colonies. I was surprised to hear of the mite problem, but I was not going to be discouraged by a few little mites. My first 25 nucs I purchased from a beekeeper nearby, I got an excellent deal. The only problem they looked in poor condition after 40 days later, we had a cold spring last year and the mite were over running my nucs. There was an Apistan strip in, but I felt it wasn't doing any good so I pulled it out and started using mineral oil introduced by Dr. Rodriguez last spring. He said to apply it in a long narrow strip on the top of each frame. After my back was ready to give out I figured it would be easier to feed it to the bees in sugar water, this worked out excellent. I now have 27 colonies that are bursting with bees and brood. I am in the process of doing 3 way splits to keep them from swarming. The beekeeper I had purchased my nucs from had lost 300 of the 550 colonies that he had going into winter. I know there are a lot of beekeepers on this group that only want to use method tested by the scientific community but there is no incentive for any one to test mineral oil. There is no big bucks to be made off the beekeepers, you can buy mineral oil at any grocery or drugs store. I am now going to work with other beekeepers in this area to test out mineral oil, I am going to contact my state bee inspector so he will be sure to inspect my colonies to get an official record started. I am also going to send some honey comb to a lab this fall to test for mineral oil. If you are interested in mineral oil treatment in sugar water search the archives on this news group last month I posted a lot of info on it. I have developed a better way since then but will not share it until I test it my self, it should make it very easy for large operations to wipe the mite out of their apiaries. I will tell you that if you heat the water and mineral oil together then pour in blender then add sugar it will emulsify or stay mixed for a short time. How does mineral oil work in the syrup? By getting it into the food chain the bees will ingest it, it then gets feed to the larvae which is where the mires go to reproduce. If the syrup has traces of mineral oil it will kill the mites on contact. I used no other treatment for the varroa or tracheal mites since last spring, I am confident I will be close too my goal of 120 colonies by fall and produce a good crop of honey, God willing. I hope this helps Elroy Article 12349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: 16 May 1998 03:27:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6jj130$ua$6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-9.sl007.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12349 In article <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, jaf@geminiNOSPAM.nildram.co.uk says... > > >Calvin Ashby wrote in message <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net>... >>I have had dogs for years, and as anyone with dogs should know there >are now >>medications that you can simply give your dog once a month to kill >fleas, >I think the big difference is that dogs/fleas are different phyla, >whereas bees/mites are all insectoids. It's the same as aspirin, which >is fine for humans, and can be fatal for dogs. >What kills the mite, can kill the bee. > WHOA! This does not quite compute! Apistan kills mites without killing bees. Article 12350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot spring Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 03:23:12 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <355d0608.461740@news.usit.net> References: <01bd7ff7$c9db8b20$55f135ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup213.tnkno.usit.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12350 . What do I look for to see if they are getting >ready to swarm? Check the bottom of the frames above the brood nest for queen cups. If you find them there look carefully on each frame and destroy each one. swap the upper and lowere hive body and continue checking for cups every 7 days Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) Article 12351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <355D11F3.724B@voyager.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:11:31 -0700 From: "Anne J. Hacker" Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping CC: gstyer@worldnet.att.net Subject: Swarm prevention Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.133.91 X-Trace: 16 May 1998 01:19:44 -600, 209.153.133.91 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!news9.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news10.kcdata.com!209.153.133.91 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12351 Hi from Michigan! I have 11 hives that made it through the winter. A few were very strong and I split off nucs from those. All seems well with those. Unfortunately, I must have missed one hive. Do't ask how, as I don't know. I keep a journal every time I work with the bees. Anyway, there is a large cluster on the outside of the hive. The hive consists of 2 deeps and a honey super. I openned the hive today and the honey super was full. There is good brood in the upper deep and the dear queen is starting on the lower deep. I pulled some brood with some queen cells (not swarm cells) to make another split and put in foundation for them to draw out. Any other things I can do to prevent them from swarming? or is it too late? Anne ajhacker@voyLager.net get the "L" out to reply via email Article 12352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 16 May 1998 21:38:29 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd8112$8a95a7e0$83ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12352 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where to buy bee equipment? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998051623532000.TAA02976@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1998 23:53:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12353 Hello everyone! I have never tried bees before. . .But I'd like to have a hive just because I think they are so neat. But, from the companies who sell supers and all the other stuff I get the idea that this can be very expensive to start off (quote I got from one guy was $250). What I'd like to know is if there was any way I could get the stuff I need to start off cheap. Maybe someone could send me a design for a hive and I could build it. . .?? Any ideas? Thanks a lot, Dar Article 12354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <355E572D.642E@sympatico.ca> From: Guy Baribeau X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E [fr]-SYMPA (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Calvin Ashby Subject: Re: Voroa Research? References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:15:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.236.253.45 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:15:38 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12354 I am not a beekeeper but I am interested and since taking early retirement have been thinking of getting some hives. last night I saw a documentary about the mite and they said it had been introduced from the pacific. They then went on to say that bees in that area have developped a way of dealing with the mites. They showed a bee with a mite attached to it and showed how the bee performed a dance wich informed the other bees wich then surrounded the afflicted bee and managed to remove the mite and kill it. I was wondering if any attempts had been made to introduce this type of bee in North America and breed this behavior into our bees. Just a thought, Guy Calvin Ashby wrote: > > I have had dogs for years, and as anyone with dogs should know there are now > medications that you can simply give your dog once a month to kill fleas, > ticks, and worms. Is there not some way to develop a medication that can > be feed to bees ( in the sugar water mixture) that could do the same thing? > It seems the mites are to the bees what ticks are to dogs ( a blood sucking > parasite). It seems that the medication would be systemic in action and > would not bother the production of honey since the bee does not actually > digest the nectar. Article 12355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two Large Swarms Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:03:15 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6jld28$5k3$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-176.s49.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 895367048 5763 207.172.170.176 (17 May 1998 01:04:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12355 Friends, Last week two of my best hives sent out two very large swarms, and they both settled in a seckel pear tree close to the hives. I did not have too much in the way of woodenware to try and put them in, only one deep brood box with ten pierco frames, and two empty 5 11/16 supers. Was able to catch and put both swarms into this arrangement with an old box feeder on top, and a piece of plywood with a hole cut in the center between the two empty supers which are on top of the deep brood box with the pierco supers. The swarms were HUGE and this was the only thing I could come up with at the moment to house them in. Kept the feeder filled all week, and ordered some woodenware and frames in the middle of the week. Today I went in for the first time to inspect the hive, and am amazed at the number of bees in there. The queen is laying in the brood box (some of the frames had comb on them from an old hive) and the rest have already constructed a large amount of comb in the frameless supers and are putting nectar in already. One of the queens must have been killed by the other, but all the workers from both swarms stayed put. My question is should I just let them be the way it is, and add my supers on top, or break the hive down when the new woodenware comes in and reconstruct the hive the way it should be? I hate to break it down as they seem perfectly content the way it is, and they are doing exactly what they would do naturally anyway in an old bee tree. Of course the problem will come next year when I switch position of the boxes in the early spring. I would like to try this as an experiment, any comments or suggestions either pro or con on this? BTW, all the hives did really well this year, no doubt in part because of the very mild winter we had here in the northeast. Regards--John Article 12356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 03:46:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6jlmim$ec0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <6jj130$ua$6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 17 03:46:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12356 In article <6jj130$ua$6@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: > > In article <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, jaf@geminiNOSPAM.nildram.co.uk > >What kills the mite, can kill the bee. > > > WHOA! This does not quite compute! Apistan kills mites without killing bees. > Actually Jerome it computes just fine. Fluvalinate at the proper dosage kills only the much smaller mites. Crank up the dosage and it will do the number on the much larger bees also. Think about the difference in weight between the mite and the bee. On pg. 1166 in The Hive and the Honey Bee the chart states that the honeybee LD50 for fluvalinate is 8.78 micrograms/bee - at that dosage 50 percent of the bees die. Fluvalinate is on that chart listed as a Moderately Toxic Pesticide with reference to toxicity to honeybees in particular - it is one of the less toxic chemicals on that list. And in addition to the dog/flea analogy that was proffered by another earlier let me give you a horse/cattle example. Rompum is a "tranquilizer" used fairly commonly in horses - horses and cattle weigh about the same averaging around 1,000 pounds - give the horse dosage of Rompum to a cow/bull/steer/heifer/ox and you just killed it more than likely - even though they weigh the same. Point being - not ever critter under the sun reacts the same to any given chemical. What is more - they don't react the same to the manner of administeration either. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive in Horse Pasture? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:03 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3559168B.A6BB0F91@ix.netcom.com> References: <355923AC.C86@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-17.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 12 8:42:36 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12357 I would recommend that you construct some type of fence around the hive. The bees are unlikely to bother the horse, as much as the horse is likely to bother the bees. We keep our hives close to our pens and right next to the pasture. We would not put one in the pasture without making sure that the horses were not able to rub against the hive bodies. Our old mares like nothing better than finding something to scratch against and hives would look like a ideal scratching post. IMO, even a strand of electric fence 10 ft away would be sufficient, but that my depend on your mare's respect of hot wire ;) susan Jeffrey Dugan wrote: > I'll be getting my first hive of bees this Friday. The best > place for the hive will be in a 2 acre field where we keep a normally > gentle old mare (white, not gray). Is there anything I don't know about > horses or bees that might make this a bad idea? We keep the horse partly > to help keep the grass down, so even if she would learn to stay away from > the hive after a sting or two, I'd like to think she would not become > afraid of the entire area around the hive. More importantly, I'd hope > she wouldn't be likely to knock the hive over in ignorance or curiosity. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. Article 12358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: eden@net1plus.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: buying hive in massachusetts Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 07:38:24 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <355EF660.2975@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.77.58.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895408000 P0XQBQRYN3A1BCF4DC usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12358 would someone please suggest a source for me to buy a hive with bees here in massachusetts. Seems its too late in the season to start from scratch.. and I'm a total newbee thanks wesley Article 12359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!supernews.xara.net!xara.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gray pollen...mold? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:17:26 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <355FA845.831C313@erols.com> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-239-203.s12.as8.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 895418306 19371 207.172.239.203 (17 May 1998 15:18:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12359 I am a new beekeeper. I installed my package bees in a new hive the evening before we had two weeks of heavy rain. I measured a total of 7 inches of rain. Throughout it all, the bees worked, and have managed to develop some good comb, good brood, some honey and a lot of nectar. Their pollen stores are pretty small though, and some it it is gray. The gray part seems to be a layer on top of orange or yellow pollen. Is this moldy? Is it bad? Is there anything I can do about it? I have been feeding sugar syrup, and I tried a patty of pollen substitute. They take the syrup, but took only a smidgen of the pollen substitute. I've heard that when conditions are bad for pollen, bees will pick up other grainy substances. Maybe that's what this is? Thanks for the info. Becky I live in Maryland, USA Article 12360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.6!news2.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: MALMOND@CTC.NET (MALMOND) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm capture, Black bees Date: 17 May 1998 18:13:35 GMT Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-26.r09.nccncr.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12360 Information on what strain of bees are black or gray bees? I just recently captured a swarm of bees like this, there are a few Italian bees in the swarm but mostly black or gray bees. Anyone with help? Thank you Mark Article 12361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.210.0.20!news.san.rr.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <355F3D19.6ECD@san.rr.com> From: Mark Fogarty Reply-To: mfogarty@san.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in my back yard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:39:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dt052n19.san.rr.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:39:49 PDT Organization: TWC Road Runner, San Diego, CA Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12361 hi. i'm a non-beekeeper living in san diego and this morning i noticed a swarm of bees in one of the trees in my back yard. there's a ball of bees about a foot in diameter wrapped around a fork in a branch and between 20 & 100 bees flying around the area. i don't know anything about bees, so i'm concerned that these might be the africanised versions. actually, we have a very young daughter and a couple of little dogs that use the small back yard, so i don't want a bee colony there, african or not. i guess what i'd like to know is: Are they likely to leave tomorrow morning of their own volition? If not, how can I safely and humanely encourage them to do so? Is there any chance that these are one of the very aggressive South American of African strains? i'd appreciate any insight you might be able to give me on this or any references to other sources of information. thanks very much, Mark Fogarty Article 12362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Jane Howes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in attic. Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:51:09 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <355F3FA1.D39F5B1D@unicom-inc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jhowes.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12362 Help.... I have recently purchased a house in Norton MA. Along with the house came a nest of bees. I have been told they are honey bees and I do not want to kill them if at all possible. They are located in the attic of the house and the nest is *very* active. Does anybody know anyone how could possible remove these bees. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Jane Howes Article 12363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sparky8.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "sparky" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Off Topic, Black Wasp ?????? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:27:01 +0100 Message-ID: <895436718.3261.0.nnrp-05.c1edf18f@news.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: "shirly" NNTP-Posting-Host: sparky8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sparky8.demon.co.uk:193.237.241.143 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895436718 nnrp-05:3261 NO-IDENT sparky8.demon.co.uk:193.237.241.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12363 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:27 Hello, A very very odd wasp visited me today ( I think it is a wasp anyway, same shape, noise, size etc ). It is completely black. Could anyone explain what it is? Is it a one off like an albino or is it part of a known species, I would love too know, all the best Sparky. Article 12364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "J W E" From: "J W E" Subject: Build a real Economic Stablizing Process. Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:51:08 -0500 Lines: 314 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BD81B3.FD19D6A0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust7.tnt4.orl1.da.uu.net [208.250.83.7] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!uppubnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12364 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BD81B3.FD19D6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I forgot to mention that a deficit is impossible to avoid in any = government if buying power never changes when the population does. The = system requires the same number of dollars, for the same number of = people at the cost of living. When the same work maintains the same pay = the same rules apply. So, when the population increases if money is not = only worth the laws that circumscribe it, it can become very well = worthless. The gold standard failed due to a limited resource, and an = absolute supply and demand system causes inflation, but a controlled = system has to be designed to fluctuate with the population and first the = needs of the people, then the rewards for the minimum standard. = Idealistically if your responsibilities include supporting more of = peoples needs receiving more of the benefits and means. If you organize = and supply more people with their wants, and make that your = responsibility, then the more people benefit, the more benefits, and = means the organizers should receive. This is true in Agriculture, = Housing, Business Machines, Toys, Entertainment, and travel. First = priority should be the farm. As long as your alive, and people don't = revolt then, you can solve those other problems, but if they are all = peeved because they cannot eat right they get peeved. More times than = not a famine has preceded war or revolt. J W E wrote in message ... Weird Science. =20 The rich cannot get richer without the poor having money. I am disappointed that I have to inform you that you could become = the scape goats of American Politics. In Germany, 1914, the Deutsche Mark became a worthless scrap of = paper due to the relinquishment of price controls, and it nearly took a = wheelbarrow full of Marks to buy a loaf of bread. More recently, in Russia the opening of the free market caused an = explosive rate of inflation, in the area of 1000%. When Bill Clinton dissolved the price controls on agricultural = produce the effects were first felt on the foreign markets, and = America's high risk investors switched from high risk foreign stocks, to = American agricultural stocks. Moreover, transportation costs increase = with the price of food, and the cost of living as a result. It will = consistently cost more to feed more people resulting in the cost of = labor increasing to accommodate the change, and feed people who work the = same for the products, shoes, clothes, anything, you name it. This situation results in an inability for small business to = evaluate the cost of living, or the what the true minimum wage should = be. With all of the small business trailing and losing money trying to = be competitive, and going out of business the system is out of sync. = They don't know when to charge more, and don't know by how much, so some = lurch forward, others lag, and the those who lag, don't earn enough, = those who are too far ahead loose business because their prices are too = high. So, somewhere in the middle is the survivors of small business, = the major corporations, might pull throughout, but also manage not being = undersold. All of this directly effects buying power. More dollars less = items. On paper this looks the same as a system that wasn't used, but was = developed in the War against Poverty, ages ago. They initiated a system = of price controls to prevent runaway inflation. So, with Food Stamps, = Welfare, and The Social Security Fund (Which was actually a mutual, but = required by law retirement savings plan.) they would forewarn small = business concerning the change in minimum wage, then tell the farmer = he/she could change the price of grain per bushel, or tomatoes, etc.. By = harvest the minimum wage and the tax bracket that an individual was in = would change, and hence fill in the difference. Assessing the changes, = and averaging them each time the price of food went up enabled them to = balance not the budget, but the fairness of the system. Money is only = worth the legalities that circumscribe it, and is a measure of merit, = not to mention an invention and tool of measure, a standard like the = inch, a dollar. Giving the poor the money first enabled the small = businesses to raise the retail prices enough to build a cushion before = the change in minimum wage. This doesn't eliminate jobs or tax payers, = nor does it stand in a chaotic state of unpredictability, but is = synchronized and kept in step. If mention of the change in minimum wage = is in the winter after harvest the next fiscal year would include a = change in the minimum wage, and without loss to the number of = businesses, jobs, or taxpayers. So, assuming that if buying power = doesn't change, when the population increases the deficit increases, = because the same work equals the same pay, or there's a standard of = living, and a right to live and work. Working entitling you to more = rewards from the system. Idealistically, the more people you support the = more money you should make. That provides the houses, the cars, the = transportation for all the responsible people. In Russia, the attacks on the farmers for trying to provide for the = people didn't begin until after the Free Market system started to show = it's colors, Somewhere after harvest. Reagan removed the insurance that = the Tax structure once provided, and that absolutely no sense in the = world. The weather conditions of one square mile are bound for drought = or flood, and it is too unpredictable to determine what will happen in = the course of any one year, and the farmer still needs to work because = next year may not be so bad. But, when you look at a few million square = miles, some-one always seems to succeed, so the insurance for the = emergency funds don't exist in the same fashion that they did which = would have covered for the differences. It only makes sense that the tax = structure would include funding this considering that everyone eats.=20 So, this letter is mainly written with the intention that you = wouldn't be blamed for doing what you must to keep feeding the people, = but to ask you to post your reasons for your price changes in you News = Papers including the changes in Policies that force you to raise your = prices so much, because it will effect the cost of living, and protect = yourselves from what could happen in the near future, because what = happened to Russian Farmers Sucked. They were shot at. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BD81B3.FD19D6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I forgot=20 to mention that a deficit is impossible to avoid in any government if = buying=20 power never changes when the population does.  The system requires = the same=20 number of dollars, for the same number of people at the cost of = living. =20 When the same work maintains the same pay the same rules apply.  = So, when=20 the population increases if money is not only worth the laws that = circumscribe=20 it, it can become very well worthless.  The gold standard failed = due to a=20 limited resource, and an absolute supply and demand system causes = inflation, but=20 a controlled system has to be designed to fluctuate with the population = and=20 first the needs of the people, then the rewards for the minimum = standard. =20 Idealistically if your responsibilities include supporting more of = peoples needs=20 receiving more of the benefits and means.  If you organize and = supply more=20 people with their wants, and make that your responsibility, then the = more people=20 benefit, the more benefits, and means the organizers should = receive.  This=20 is true in Agriculture, Housing, Business Machines, Toys, Entertainment, = and=20 travel.  First priority should be the farm.  As long as your = alive,=20 and people don't revolt then, you can solve those other problems, but if = they=20 are all peeved because they cannot eat right they get peeved.  More = times=20 than not a famine has preceded war or = revolt.
J W E wrote in=20 message ...
Weird = Science.
 
The rich cannot = get richer=20 without the poor having money.

I am disappointed that I have to inform you that you could become = the=20 scape goats of American Politics.

In Germany, 1914, the Deutsche Mark became a worthless scrap of = paper due=20 to the relinquishment of price controls, and it nearly took a = wheelbarrow=20 full of Marks to buy a loaf of bread.

More recently, in Russia the opening of the free market caused an = explosive rate of inflation, in the area of 1000%.

When Bill Clinton dissolved the price controls on agricultural = produce=20 the effects were first felt on the foreign markets, and America's = high risk=20 investors switched from high risk foreign stocks, to American = agricultural=20 stocks. Moreover, transportation costs increase with the price of = food, and=20 the cost of living as a result. It will consistently cost more to = feed more=20 people resulting in the cost of labor increasing to accommodate the = change,=20 and feed people who work the same for the products, shoes, clothes,=20 anything, you name it.

This situation results in an inability for small business to = evaluate the=20 cost of living, or the what the true minimum wage should be. With = all of the=20 small business trailing and losing money trying to be competitive, = and going=20 out of business the system is out of sync. They don't know when to = charge=20 more, and don't know by how much, so some lurch forward, others lag, = and the=20 those who lag, don't earn enough, those who are too far ahead loose = business=20 because their prices are too high. So, somewhere in the middle is = the=20 survivors of small business, the major corporations, might pull = throughout,=20 but also manage not being undersold. All of this directly effects = buying=20 power. More dollars less items.

On paper this looks the same as a system that wasn't used, but = was=20 developed in the War against Poverty, ages ago. They initiated a = system of=20 price controls to prevent runaway inflation. So, with Food Stamps, = Welfare,=20 and The Social Security Fund (Which was actually a mutual, but = required by=20 law retirement savings plan.) they would forewarn small business = concerning=20 the change in minimum wage, then tell the farmer he/she could change = the=20 price of grain per bushel, or tomatoes, etc.. By harvest the minimum = wage=20 and the tax bracket that an individual was in would change, and = hence fill=20 in the difference. Assessing the changes, and averaging them each = time the=20 price of food went up enabled them to balance not the budget, but = the=20 fairness of the system. Money is only worth the legalities that = circumscribe=20 it, and is a measure of merit, not to mention an invention and tool = of=20 measure, a standard like the inch, a dollar. Giving the poor the = money first=20 enabled the small businesses to raise the retail prices enough to = build a=20 cushion before the change in minimum wage. This doesn't eliminate = jobs or=20 tax payers, nor does it stand in a chaotic state of = unpredictability, but is=20 synchronized and kept in step. If mention of the change in minimum = wage is=20 in the winter after harvest the next fiscal year would include a = change in=20 the minimum wage, and without loss to the number of businesses, = jobs, or=20 taxpayers. So, assuming that if buying power doesn't change, when = the=20 population increases the deficit increases, because the same work = equals the=20 same pay, or there's a standard of living, and a right to live and = work.=20 Working entitling you to more rewards from the system. = Idealistically, the=20 more people you support the more money you should make. That = provides the=20 houses, the cars, the transportation for all the responsible = people.

In Russia, the attacks on the farmers for trying to provide for = the=20 people didn't begin until after the Free Market system started to = show it's=20 colors, Somewhere after harvest. Reagan removed the insurance that = the Tax=20 structure once provided, and that absolutely no sense in the world. = The=20 weather conditions of one square mile are bound for drought or = flood, and it=20 is too unpredictable to determine what will happen in the course of = any one=20 year, and the farmer still needs to work because next year may not = be so=20 bad. But, when you look at a few million square miles, some-one = always seems=20 to succeed, so the insurance for the emergency funds don't exist in = the same=20 fashion that they did which would have covered for the differences. = It only=20 makes sense that the tax structure would include funding this = considering=20 that everyone eats.

So, this letter is mainly written with the intention that you = wouldn't be=20 blamed for doing what you must to keep feeding the people, but to = ask you to=20 post your reasons for your price changes in you News Papers = including the=20 changes in Policies that force you to raise your prices so much, = because it=20 will effect the cost of living, and protect yourselves from what = could=20 happen in the near future, because what happened to Russian Farmers = Sucked.=20 They were shot = at.

------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01BD81B3.FD19D6A0-- Article 12365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Where to buy bee equipment? References: <1998051623532000.TAA02976@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:05:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: xx2-10.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <355f5296.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12365 In article <1998051623532000.TAA02976@ladder01.news.aol.com>, heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) wrote: >Hello everyone! > >I have never tried bees before. . .But I'd like to have a hive just because I >think they are so neat. But, from the companies who sell supers and all the >other stuff I get the idea that this can be very expensive to start off (quote >I got from one guy was $250). What I'd like to know is if there was any way I >could get the stuff I need to start off cheap. Maybe someone could send me a >design for a hive and I could build it. . .?? Any ideas? > >Thanks a lot, >Dar Dar, if you have space for a few hives, why not offer it to a local beekeeper or better yet, offer to help one. That will let you learn some of the neat tricks and more importantly, it will help you decide if you wish to commit to keeping these live animals. Please post where you are. It will help in steering you towards bee keeping suppliers. Article 12366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!europa.clark.net!152.158.16.50!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm capture, Black bees Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:44:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1998051722445575982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12366 The message <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net> from MALMOND@CTC.NET (MALMOND) contains these words: > Information on what strain of bees are black or gray bees? I just > recently captured a swarm of bees like this, there are a few Italian > bees in the swarm but mostly black or gray bees. Anyone with help? > Thank you > Mark Hi Mark, Where are you from? Here in the North of Scotland, most of us still keep the native UK black bee. They are not as productive as Italians etc., but perform much better in our climate. We have yet to experience varroa here, although I guess it will arrive in the next two years. It will be interesting to see how the native black bees cope with it, Regards, Phil. Article 12367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gray pollen...mold? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1998051722505175982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <355FA845.831C313@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12367 The message <355FA845.831C313@erols.com> from Rebecca Davis contains these words: > I am a new beekeeper. I installed my package bees in a new hive the > evening before we had two weeks of heavy rain. I measured a total of 7 > inches of rain. Throughout it all, the bees worked, and have managed to > develop some good comb, good brood, some honey and a lot of nectar. > Their pollen stores are pretty small though, and some it it is gray. > The gray part seems to be a layer on top of orange or yellow pollen. Is > this moldy? Is it bad? Is there anything I can do about it? I have > been feeding sugar syrup, and I tried a patty of pollen substitute. > They take the syrup, but took only a smidgen of the pollen substitute. > I've heard that when conditions are bad for pollen, bees will pick up > other grainy substances. Maybe that's what this is? Thanks for the > info. > Becky > I live in Maryland, USA Hi Becky, Nice to see that someone else uses the word `smidgen' (:-) Pollen comes in all colours from black to white so that I expect that your grey pollen simply represents a new pollen source. If it were going mouldy, I think the bees would soon give it the `elbow' (that's if bees have elbows as well as knees! Regards, Phil. (Northern Highlands of Scotland) Article 12368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Research? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:06:06 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 127 Message-ID: <6jnn0e$qcg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> <355E572D.642E@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.20 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 17 22:06:06 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12368 In article <355E572D.642E@sympatico.ca>, Guy Baribeau wrote: > > I am not a beekeeper but I am interested and since taking early > retirement have been thinking of getting some hives. > last night I saw a documentary about the mite and they said it > had been introduced from the pacific. They then went on to say > that bees in that area have developped a way of dealing with the > mites. They showed a bee with a mite attached to it and showed > how the bee performed a dance wich informed the other bees wich > then surrounded the afflicted bee and managed to remove the mite > and kill it. I was wondering if any attempts had been made to > introduce this type of bee in North America and breed this > behavior into our bees. > Howdy Guy, Here's hoping you will join the ranks of beekeepers soon!! The behavior you describe is generally referred to as grooming behavior. When also coupled with actually fatal physical damage done to the mite thus removed (whether the mite is groomed off or taken out of a cell or off the comb or off the bottom board, etc.) it is called VKf (Varroa Killer Factor). I suspect you were watching a show on the native host of Varroa jacobsoni which is Apis cerana - a completely different species of honeybee. The common honeybee, Apis mellifera, is the species that us humans have found most useful and have thus spread pretty well around the globe. The two species can not be crossed due to quite different numbers of chromosones. Other factors in addition to grooming behavior are included in the arsenal of resistance mechanisms that Apis cerana employs against the V-mites. This includes a different sort of drone capping, a shorter worker development time which forces "all" the mite reproduction to occur in the drone brood, and a generally tropical climate under which the mite infertility level is naturally higher than when in a temperate cliimate. Other factors may also play into it but the essence is that the V-mites and Apis cerana have worked out a "normal" host-parasite relationship wherein the parasite does not routinely kill off its host (though even there it does happen sometimes - resistance ain't immunity). Yes efforts have been made to find and breed for VKf in Apis mellifera - in several places in Europe and in the USA as well. One of the first to observe this behavior in Apis mellifera carnica was Alois Wallner, a commercial beekeeper in Austria. Via selective breeding he was able to increase the level of VKf in his strain of Carniolan bees. It has been a while since I have communicated with Alois but last I did he had some breeder stock that had gone 5 years without mite treatment. His particular way of doing things may mean that along with breeding the bees to be more mite resistant he has also unintentionally but quite beneficially bred the mites to be less virulent. This is something you MUST watch for in any Varroa resistance breeding program as it is far faster to bring about genetic change in mites than in bees. I am only guessing that may be happening to Alois (could be dead wrong too). I do KNOW it happened to at least one batch of European researchers. Those researcher used a isolated valley as a mating/testing yard and bred replacement queens off the best survivors each year bringing in treated queenless packages to make up the losses. Their losses decreased - then upon testing their "resistant" stock outside the "valley of the wimpified mites" they found it died at the same rate as the common stock in use. They had effectively bred the mites to be less virulent via having control due to the isolated valley - ya see only the wimpy mites survived via not killing off their host - genetic change toward wimpiness in the mites happened rapidly as no influx of "tough" mite genes occured (migration, pollination, etc. causing colony movement and thus insuring the mite population stays genetically "diverse"). Of course since they were the ONLY beekeepers in the valley and no migration occured through it they had complete genetic control of both mites and bees. They also had the luxury of having somebody else paying for the losses which were substantial at first. We in the Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP) also have selected for this VKf trait. We were able to find that 8-12% VKf is the norm in the general population and we raised it to over 50% via selective breeding BUT VKf alone was NOT enough to bestow an economic level of Varroa resistance on the colonies at that level. From a computer model graph made by MSU we suspect that VKf alone even at a much higher level will not by itself effect Varroa resistance at the economic level. Current research done in the USA by Hoopingarner and Harbo suggests that "non- reproduction of mites" or "mite infertility" is the resistance mechanism with the most promise. It seems to be more heritable than some of the other resistance mechanisms as well. Other traits worth breeding in for their use as resistance mechanisms include HYG (hygienic behavior as assayed via a freeze-killed brood removal test), shorter post capping stage, and brood that is less attractive to V-mites. HYG also increases resistance to such diseases as Foulbrood (both types) and Chalkbrood. Remember that resistance is not immunity. Resistance means being able to fight the good fight. If resistance is high enough the fight is won and the warrior lives to fight again. However if conditions for the foe become more highly favorable while they become less favorable to the warrior that warrior that is resistant can still succumb while a truly immune warrior would not be even bothered. Resistant stock is generally the best we can hope for and in most cases highly resistant stock is all that is required. Even a moderate level of resistance is a plus - bestowing such things as a longer window in which treatment can save the colony via the slower population buildup of V- mites - this fact alone can make a HUGE difference in areas where flow timing and proper timing of treatment conflict. From our observations of colonies in our HIP untreated test yards a colony must not only be able to hold down the mite population reasonably well it must ALSO be resistant to a host of disease/viruses that go hand in hand with V-mites. If I were to speculate/bet on that issue I would wager that the disease/virus resistance is MORE important than the sheer ability to hold down the mite population BUT I COULD BE WRONG as MANY variables are at play. Therefore when we look at Untreated Thriving Survivors that have spent at least two years untreated in one of our HIP test yards we reject any that show any hint of disease/virus of any kind. Hope that is helpful, Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com Coordinator of the Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI 49265 USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Off Topic, Black Wasp ?????? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:15:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1998051723153875982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <895436718.3261.0.nnrp-05.c1edf18f@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12369 The message <895436718.3261.0.nnrp-05.c1edf18f@news.demon.co.uk> from "sparky" contains these words: > Hello, > A very very odd wasp visited me today ( I think it is a wasp anyway, > same shape, noise, size etc ). It is completely black. Could anyone explain > what it is? Is it a one off like an albino or is it part of a known species, > I would love too know, > all the best Sparky. Hi Sparky, It sounds like one of the wood wasps or sawflies. They are generally black with clear wings and the same size as the common wasp. The way to distinguish wood wasps from true wasps is that wood wasps have no narrow `waist' between the thorax and abdomen, Regards, Phil. Article 12370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.net!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Ken Krebs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in attic. Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:20:57 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <355F70D8.B4600CE4@mindspring.com> References: <355F3FA1.D39F5B1D@unicom-inc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38ld868.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 17 May 1998 23:20:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) To: Jane Howes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12370 I'm sure a local beekeeper could be located in your area who would be more than happy to remove the bees for you. Try your local police, animal control, or agricultural extension service. In the wrong place bees may be a pest, but given the right location they're useful critters! Jane Howes wrote: > Help.... > > I have recently purchased a house in Norton MA. Along with the house > came a nest of bees. I have been told they are honey bees and I do not > want to kill them if at all possible. > > They are located in the attic of the house and the nest is *very* > active. Does anybody know anyone how could possible remove these bees. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, > > Jane Howes Article 12371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in my back yard Date: 18 May 1998 03:30:22 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6joa0e$1d5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <355F3D19.6ECD@san.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12371 Chances are the bees will move on when they have located a new home in the next day or 2. If you are concerned, you can contact a local beekeeper or someone from the yelow pages. Can't say if they are africanized but if knowledge serves me they have been found in around Riverside. European honeybees are normally quite docile when they are in a swarm. BTW. I have had hives (2 now) in my yard (approx. 40x40 ft) for over 5 years. My 8 yr old has never been stung. The 3 yr old was stung a few times when she was younger but now knows to look before she sits down. All of the neighborhood kids play in the yard too. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Mark Fogarty wrote in article <355F3D19.6ECD@san.rr.com>... > hi. i'm a non-beekeeper living in san diego and this morning i noticed a > swarm of bees in one of the trees in my back yard. there's a ball of > bees about a foot in diameter wrapped around a fork in a branch and > between 20 & 100 bees flying around the area. i don't know anything > about bees, so i'm concerned that these might be the africanised > versions. actually, we have a very young daughter and a couple of little > dogs that use the small back yard, so i don't want a bee colony there, > african or not. i guess what i'd like to know is: > > Are they likely to leave tomorrow morning of their own volition? > > If not, how can I safely and humanely encourage them to do so? > > Is there any chance that these are one of the very aggressive South > American of African strains? > > i'd appreciate any insight you might be able to give me on this or any > references to other sources of information. > > thanks very much, > Mark Fogarty > Article 12372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <355FB4DE.5B8E@sympatico.ca> From: Sean McCarthy Reply-To: shmccarthy@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans to build Hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 04:10:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.3 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:10:52 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12372 I am looking for a set of plans for the standard Langstroth hive. I need the plans for the foundation (hive stand), Bottom Board, Hive body (Brood Chamber), Shallow super, inner cover, outer cover, and deep brood frames as well as shallow honey frames. If someone has these or knows of a book that has a set of plans, please let me know. If you have a set but not on the internet please let me know orsend them to me at the address below. Also what are the best breeds of bees for northern climates? Where is the best place to get a Nuc and Queens and beekeeping equipment? I am in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada which is right at the northern tip of Michigan. I would also be interested in any experience beekeeping contacts in this area. Sean McCarthy 375 Northern Ave. East Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada, P6B 4J2 (705)-253-2078 Article 12373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans to build Hive Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:31:30 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <355FB9A1.E35D3B6D@fcbl.net> References: <355FB4DE.5B8E@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895466067 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12373 http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Sean McCarthy wrote: > I am looking for a set of plans for the standard Langstroth hive. I > need the plans for the foundation (hive stand), Bottom Board, Hive body > (Brood Chamber), Shallow super, inner cover, outer cover, and deep brood > frames as well as shallow honey frames. If someone has these or knows > of a book that has a set of plans, please let me know. If you have a > set but not on the internet please let me know orsend them to me at the > address below. Also what are the best breeds of bees for northern > climates? Where is the best place to get a Nuc and Queens and > beekeeping equipment? I am in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada which > is right at the northern tip of Michigan. I would also be interested in > any experience beekeeping contacts in this area. > > Sean McCarthy > 375 Northern Ave. East > Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario > Canada, P6B 4J2 > > (705)-253-2078 Article 12374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: super or 2nd brood box on new hive Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:02:33 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <355FC0E9.82429716@fcbl.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895468121 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet51.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12374 I started a new hive early last month from a package. I have been feeding them since. I now have 8 full frames and a good strong hive. I only have one hive. Should I add a second brood box? On top or on bottom? OR should I add a super? or Should I remove 3 frames and make another hive? Thanks Larry Article 12375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:03:53 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895468201 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet51.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12375 I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the queen. Should I requeen? Thanks for your help Larry Article 12376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: build my own beehive? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:54:39 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.163.144 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895495945 8JUHHDRUMA390CDD9C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12376 Could someone tell me where I can find plans for building my own beehives? Are there any on the Web? Nathaniel Article 12377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I give up Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:06:49 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35603269.7018@nt.com> References: <355BAF53.D99997AA@hotmail.com> <355c871a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12377 Kidney John wrote: > > comb...If you don't fancy this honey to eat, leave it for the bees, > personally, since we don't catch the same diseases as bees, it hardly > matters, and in days of yore, they ate brood, comb, eggs, and all, after Most of the nectar that ends up as honey is 'dumped' in the brood chamber by the forragers so that they can get a fast turnaround. So even if the final resting place for the honey has not been previously been used for brood there is no guarantee that at least part of its life was in ex-brood cells. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.210.252.20!news1.columbus.rr.com!news From: JCooper Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When a Bee Keeper dies Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:39:31 -0400 Organization: Time Warner Communications Lines: 2 Message-ID: <35602C02.D4EE9EFF@columbus.rr.com> References: <1998051221241300.RAA12380@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3558c3fb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <3559EAA5.5580E64E@calwest.net> <6jhekv$75f$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.246.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Adam Finkelstein Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12378 You call always tell a bee, but you can tell her much. Article 12379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: build my own beehive? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:56:54 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35603E26.2F63@gate.net> References: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl5-79.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12379 Bluedorn wrote: > > Could someone tell me where I can find plans for building my own > beehives? Are there any on the Web? > Nathaniel http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Article 12380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Find the Queen - Failed! Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:32:18 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 334 522 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 895505364 7758 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12380 I tried the technique of seiving the bees through a QX on a hive I had suspected of swarming and failed. The buggers all ran across the QX and down the sides of the hive! Should I have put an empty super over it to prevent their migration? Would that have helped? Can anyone suggest a method which works? I have had two hives for three years (so I am still a newcomer) and never once seen a queen. On a side note, if there are UNCAPPED queen cells, could the colony have swarmed? Their numbers seemed very low, though there was quite a bit of capped brood with some uncapped. The larvae in the queen cells filled about 1/3 to 1/2 of the cell. -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Article 12381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super or 2nd brood box on new hive Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:44:05 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <355F05C0.C3086754@starpoint.net> References: <355FC0E9.82429716@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 895506278 7453 206.146.5.244 (18 May 1998 15:44:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 1998 15:44:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12381 Larry WIlliard wrote: > I started a new hive early last month from a package. I have been > feeding them since. I now have 8 full frames and a good strong hive. I > only have one hive. Should I add a second brood box? On top or on > bottom? OR should I add a super? or Should I remove 3 frames and make > another hive? > Thanks > Larry Hi Larry, I would suggest waiting until you have bees wall to wall and the tops of the frames are turning white with honey before adding another box. The bees are in a transition now, meaning there are a lot of bees in the hive but very few foragers. It take 21 days from the first eggs to start getting bees from your new queen, it then takes another 2 weeks for these bees to become foragers. I would be more concerned about food stores now. The bees do best when the hive is maintained 80% full of bees. Some times its hard to know when to put the second box on. What I did to a couple of my weak hives last year was to put a piece of news paper over the first box cut a few slits in the newspaper then put on the second box. The bees will decide when its time to move up and chew up the paper and carry it out of the hive. Just check the front of the hive, when you start to see traces of paper then you can remove the rest for them. The news paper will stop heat from escaping the brood chamber area. Good luck Elroy Article 12382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!iol!iol.ie!not-for-mail From: "Michelle Farrell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how do i prevent bee's from entering my house Date: 18 May 1998 19:14:14 GMT Organization: Ireland On-Line Message-ID: <01bd8290$5a16ff40$17307dc2@sfarrell.iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-023.galway.iol.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12382 i would appreciate if anyone could tell me how to prevent bee's from entering my attic and chimmney, i tried smoking them out but i was not successful, could anyone tell me how to get rid of this swarm permanently? and also how to keep away future swarms. e-mail me at sfarrell@iol.ie Article 12383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> Subject: Re: build my own beehive? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:26:18 -0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 Message-ID: <35608b39.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12383 go here:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee listed at the bee links page -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Bluedorn wrote in message <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com>... >Could someone tell me where I can find plans for building my own >beehives? Are there any on the Web? > Nathaniel Article 12384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6jg9nt$k1d$1@news.ipa.net> Subject: Re: Super or No Super? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:28:26 -0400 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 Message-ID: <35608bb5.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12384 go here or supering..http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Calvin Ashby wrote in message <6jg9nt$k1d$1@news.ipa.net>... >I am a brand new beekeeper. I live in central Arkansas and do not have the >slightest idea about the honey flow here, so I am at the mercy of what >information the nice people on this news group supply. > >My bees have been installed for 3 weeks now, and when I did my 3 week >inspection I found about five or six frames of sealed brood. Now here it >is the middle of May and my hive is about half full of brood. I have heard >the May is the main flow here and there is not really anything else to >amount to much later. Now I should start to see new bees pretty soon but >will they be out in time? > >My question is: Do I put on a super for them? When? and if they do not fill >it by winter will they have enough stores with what they stored around the >brood nest or will I have to feed them? > >Thanks for you much appreciated help. >Calvin > > Article 12385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:35:29 -0400 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 Message-ID: <35608d5c.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12385 -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Larry WIlliard wrote in message <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net>... > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were >very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add >sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very >aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the >queen. Should I requeen? aggression?..all bees are aggressive at some point..what was the cause of this aggression?..there are many factors. 1)skunks,bears,hornets,ants,birds,not beeing gentle when you are manipulating the hive,worked the bees late in the day,cloudy or windy/drizzly day,etc,etc. The queen is not the cause of this aggresion..re-think your techniques.. Herb >Thanks for your help > > Larry > Article 12386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998051516004500.MAA25708@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Herbicides and wild bees Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:27:40 -0400 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.105 Message-ID: <35608b90.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12386 go here for all information on pesticides:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee beelinks page also. -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Bill726 wrote in message <1998051516004500.MAA25708@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >Mr. Dave Green, > I have just came from spraying a herbicide around a couple of new apple >trees that I have planted. During the spraying I accidently hit some wild >flowers on which I had seen wild bees.How toxic are herbicides to wild bees? > Bill Article 12387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:06:59 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <356094E2.C06EE899@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35608d5c.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895522029 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12387 I assume your saying that the Queen has NOTHING to do with the temperament and aggressiveness of the Bees she produces? Is this correct.? Being I have none of the problems suggested and the weather is hot and sunny. The only things different is its hotter, less winds and new bees. Then it must be the heat. Midnite wrote: > -- > Holly-B Apiary > P.O. Box 26 > Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee > Larry WIlliard wrote in message <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net>... > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > >very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > >sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > >aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > >queen. Should I requeen? > aggression?..all bees are aggressive at some point..what was the cause of > this aggression?..there are many factors. > 1)skunks,bears,hornets,ants,birds,not beeing gentle when you are > manipulating the hive,worked the bees late in the day,cloudy or > windy/drizzly day,etc,etc. > The queen is not the cause of this aggresion..re-think your techniques.. > Herb > >Thanks for your help > > > > Larry > > Article 12388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.algonet.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:56:12 +0200 Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3560A06C.1A6047ED@algonet.se> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: du95-0.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12388 Larry WIlliard wrote: > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > queen. Should I requeen? Yes, if you want gentler bees. The first bees, those in the package were not from that queen, but taken from other colonies. If the behavior changes when the queens offspring hatch out, then it's the queen that's the problem. A hive can get a little more defensive when the number of bees increase in the hive, and also later in the season. But if you see a big difference now, I would say it's the queen or how she was mated that's causing it. -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Article 12389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield To: Bluedorn Subject: Re: build my own beehive? In-Reply-To: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> Message-ID: References: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 6 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:13:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:13:11 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12389 On Mon, 18 May 1998, Bluedorn wrote: > Could someone tell me where I can find plans for building my own > beehives? Are there any on the Web? > Nathaniel http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Article 12390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:08:58 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3560A369.47B9E0A1@calwest.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc5-21-33.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12390 Hi Larry, Give them bees more time....the old bees from the original package can become aggressive with age, as they are replaced with new young bees things should get back to normal. If the hive is still aggressive in two or three months then I would start looking for a new queen. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Larry WIlliard wrote: > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > queen. Should I requeen? > Thanks for your help > > Larry Article 12391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: 18 May 1998 21:42:23 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6jq9vv$bog@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12391 I don't see that any responses have taken into consideration the possibility that their behavior change could be attributalble to the fact that now that they are getting established, they have something worth defending. I notice "mood swings" in my bees. I remember reading that this is due to (in addition to environmental factors) the influence of the males genes. Since the queen has typically mated with several drones, it will depend on which spermatazoa is fertilizing the egg. In a word "they are behaving just like their father". I am working without a safety net here so I will stop and defer to those who actually have some experience in mating honeybees. I hate to see a queen destroyed. IMLE, if you can wait it out, she may reward you. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Larry WIlliard wrote in article <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net>... > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > queen. Should I requeen? > Thanks for your help > > Larry > > Article 12392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: 18 May 1998 23:28:27 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd82c5$b52f8340$91f135ce@julie> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35608d5c.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-003-17.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12392 Midnite wrote in article <35608d5c.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com>... > aggression?..all bees are aggressive at some point..what was the cause of > this aggression?..there are many factors. > 1)skunks,bears,hornets,ants,birds,not beeing gentle when you are > manipulating the hive,worked the bees late in the day,cloudy or ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > windy/drizzly day,etc,etc. > The queen is not the cause of this aggresion..re-think your techniques.. > Herb I have to learn patience! From now on when I get home at 6:30 or so and I think I need to get in the hive right away to see what's going on I'll remember this message. I'll either take a day off or wait until the weekend. Everytime I've had a bad experience with them getting mad at me it's been late in the day (you'd think a person would learn!). Thanks, Julie Article 12393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3560A74F.280333F8@home.com> From: Bee Folks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 02:25:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cc485294-a.catv1.md.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:25:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12393 I don't recommend midnites. Mine propolize everything, and bring in no honey. I'm going to requeen it this year by supercedure (assuming the bees aren't too lazy to take care of queen cells). lorin Jerome R. Long wrote: > In article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>, biotech@qnet.com says... > > > >Greetings, > > > > I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive > >near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros > and > >cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? > > I got midnights many years ago from York Bee Co. of Jessup, GA. They > did very > well for me. The only problem is excessive propolis. > See http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ Article 12394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:46:42 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 18 Message-ID: <356100A2.ED0F7D4A@ne.mediaone.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: circuit@bigfoot.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12394 Larry WIlliard wondered about the aggressiveness of his new package of bees: Larry, One other possibility not considered... How much experience have you had with heavily populated colonies?? If this is your first package (ever), you may not have been exposed greater populations and the resulting increase in the number of bees in the air as you work your colony. Having a new beekeeper tagging along for a couple days with me this spring reminded me that newcomers to beekeeping aren't yet accustomed to the populations of over-wintered colonies and the quantity of bees in the air. The young man tagging along after me one day interpreted the girls foraging and their simple curiosity at what we were up to as aggression... and his nervousness got him stung... Kathy Article 12395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!xfer.kren.ne.kr!xfer.kren.nm.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm cells or not? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:42:56 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3560FFC0.634A1029@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-20.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12395 I just looked in on my bees today, and the second-last frame in one hive had 5 (uncapped) queen cells on it. They were not near the edges of the frame, but scattered among the worker brood. I saw no other queen cells in the hive. This hive has an overwintered queen. I did not see her today (hiding?) but I did see eggs and young larvae. How do I tell if these cells are swarm preparations? Should I destroy these cells to prevent swarming? I did, but now I'm wondering if it was a bad idea. -Drox Article 12396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm cells or not? Date: 19 May 1998 04:04:02 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6jr0bi$2cv@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <3560FFC0.634A1029@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.159 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12396 Oops, swarm cells are typically along the bottoms of frames. These are (sorry were) probably either emergency cells or supercedure cells. Look real hard for the queen or evidence that she is still there. If there is still larva of an appropriate age or eggs, they will raise another. This will be evident if queen cells reappear. If you don't find anymore cells then she is most likely not present and I would start looking for a beekeeper friend to supply you with a frame of brood with viable larvae (3-4 days?). -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Drox wrote in article <3560FFC0.634A1029@hotmail.com>... > I just looked in on my bees today, and the second-last frame in one hive > had 5 (uncapped) queen cells on it. They were not near the edges of the > frame, but scattered among the worker brood. I saw no other queen cells > in the hive. This hive has an overwintered queen. I did not see her > today (hiding?) but I did see eggs and young larvae. > > How do I tell if these cells are swarm preparations? Should I destroy > these cells to prevent swarming? I did, but now I'm wondering if it was > a bad idea. > > -Drox > > Article 12397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super or 2nd brood box on new hive Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:02:48 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35610468.D69C543F@ne.mediaone.net> References: <355FC0E9.82429716@fcbl.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: circuit@bigfoot.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12397 Larry WIlliard wondered whether it was time for another brood box? super?or ?? : Larry, Go ahead & give them another brood box, they sound ready, especially since this is the time for honey flows in most of N. America (where i think you are). I wouldn't bother to go through any extra work to do it either, just stack it on top of the existing brood box, under the inner cover. Continue feeding sugar syrup until they stop taking it (especially if the 2nd brood box will be of foundation). If your area has a later season honey flow, you may be able to get a super onto them and at least get it drawn out (though perhaps only partially) for next year... you may even get a couple pounds of honey this first year (though don't expect too much). Next spring, if this colony survives the winter, will be the time to split it into another hive. Based on your questions, it sounds like you're paying good attention to your bees. That's great 'cuz you'll learn alot more from them and a couple good reference books than from anywhere else. Happy beekeeping, Kathy Article 12398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 04:35:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6jr275$hdf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <3560A06C.1A6047ED@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 19 04:35:49 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12398 In article <3560A06C.1A6047ED@algonet.se>, P-O Gustafsson wrote: > > > Larry WIlliard wrote: > > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > > queen. Should I requeen? > > Yes, if you want gentler bees. The first bees, those in the package were > not from that queen, but taken from other colonies. If the behavior > changes > when the queens offspring hatch out, then it's the queen that's the > problem. > A hive can get a little more defensive when the number of bees increase > in the hive, and also later in the season. But if you see a big difference > now, > I would say it's the queen or how she was mated that's causing it. > P-O is correct. There is one other thing to consider as well that perhaps was mentioned by another already but I don't recall that it was - that is that during a dearth period some bees just ain't real pleasant while the same colony on a flow is a joy to work with. Do you have a flow on? And we have had some test colonies on a particular flow up North that were none to pleasant either - though they had been nice bees before that flow started. Many factors play into it being the point here. Thus if ya ain't too sure ya might be wise to follow Andy's wait a bit and see if things change approach (though the hive will then be even stronger if the temperament don't improve). Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!boris.eden.com!not-for-mail From: "R.A.T." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nailing frames Date: 19 May 1998 06:53:29 GMT Organization: AMICI Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bd82e2$e59c7de0$5ef451ce@richard> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.244.94 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12399 What is the best way to nail frames together? Two (2) 1 1/4" nails from top bars into the end bars with one (1) 1 1/4" nail from the end bar into the top bar? Using a grooved bottom bar, what is the best way to nail it? Using a 1 1/4" or a 3/4" nails? Someone said that the frames should be nailed and glued ??? Any suggestions. Richard Article 12400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:20:30 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3561169E.14255411@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <3560A06C.1A6047ED@algonet.se> <6jr275$hdf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895555171 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12400 I am feeding the bees still but there is a lot of activity of the bees and they are storing honey around the edges of the brood. So I summarize there is a flow although there is no one I know of to ask around here. All the trees are filled out and the wild flowers have bloomed 2 weeks ago. I haven't a clue what they are gathering nectar from. I see a lot of different colors of pollen. I will wait a while before I do anything. As long as I wear my suite they don't really bother me but I would rather not have to. Larry jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > In article <3560A06C.1A6047ED@algonet.se>, > P-O Gustafsson wrote: > > > > > > Larry WIlliard wrote: > > > > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > > > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > > > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > > > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > > > queen. Should I requeen? > > > > Yes, if you want gentler bees. The first bees, those in the package were > > not from that queen, but taken from other colonies. If the behavior > > changes > > when the queens offspring hatch out, then it's the queen that's the > > problem. > > A hive can get a little more defensive when the number of bees increase > > in the hive, and also later in the season. But if you see a big difference > > now, > > I would say it's the queen or how she was mated that's causing it. > > > > P-O is correct. > > There is one other thing to consider as well that perhaps was mentioned by > another already but I don't recall that it was - that is that during a dearth > period some bees just ain't real pleasant while the same colony on a flow is > a joy to work with. Do you have a flow on? > > And we have had some test colonies on a particular flow up North that were > none to pleasant either - though they had been nice bees before that flow > started. Many factors play into it being the point here. Thus if ya ain't > too sure ya might be wise to follow Andy's wait a bit and see if things > change approach (though the hive will then be even stronger if the > temperament don't improve). > > Jack Griffes > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: U.K. equipment suppliers - info wanted Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:26:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1998051914261475982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12401 Hi, I have just learnt the Steele & Brodie are closing down their outlet at Wormit on Tayside and are transferring their operation to Stockbridge. Because of this move, some of their basic equipment (e.g. frames) is not currently available. I have dealt with Steele & Brodie for many years but I really cannot afford to wait for them to get their act together. If any UK beekeepers out there can give me details of other mail order suppliers who are fully stocked, I would be most grateful. Please do not refer me to a web site as I do not have internet access, Thanks in anticipation, Phil. (Northern Highlands of Scotland) Article 12402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pest control Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:06:32 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3561BC18.DD1579B5@ne.mediaone.net> References: <3561A5D1.B8AB745B@mis.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: michael X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12402 michael wrote: > Hello all. Does anyone know of a way to control aphids in the > vegetable > garden without hurting the bees. My landlord and owner of the bees > wanted to use seven ( is that the right spelling for the insecticide > ). > I told them that might not be a good idea. Thanks for your help. Michael, Yes, there are MUCH better ways to control aphids without using Sevin (carbaryl). Killing aphids (and their soft little bodies) with carbaryl (depending on the formulation) can be the equivalent to hunting rabbit with an AK-47. The best way (I've found) is to use insecticidal soap & water, sprayed all over the infested plants, being sure to spray from *under* the leaves. Repeat this application two to three times every 3 days until the aphids are gone (more frequently if rain disrupts the spraying timetable). BTW, Murphy's oil soap is the same basic stuff as insecticidal soap and is much less expensive. I usually mix Murphy's 1:10 with water or the equivalent setting on a hose attached sprayer. Regardless, your landlord should be sure to spray in the late evening or night, especially if these aphid infested plants are blooming &/or are something that the bees are interested in. Also, you can tell your landlord that there are a number of different formulations and possible concentrations for carbaryl (Sevin) and they vary from very,very toxic to bees to toxic (though the not as toxic formulation is granular and at certain times of the year the bees may collect it as though it were pollen...). Have your landlord read the label on the pesticide. If, as I recall, it is labeled as unsafe for honeybees, then I believe that your landlord assumes legal liability for any/all honeybees killed as a result of his/her pesticide application if he/she doesn't notify the owners of all potentially affected hives. Help me out here Dave Green, this labelling/liability info I remember you posting about a while back, and would appreciate clarification if I got this wrong. Hope this helps, Kathy Article 12403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:51:19 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.83 X-Trace: 19 May 1998 19:51:33 GMT, 166.72.76.83 Lines: 8 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.83 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12403 I'll try this again. Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own excluders? Any suggestions? Al Welk Article 12404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: jon@ctv.es (Jon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To feed bees with fermented honey Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:49:16 GMT Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35625857.1023915@news.ctv.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ctv6052.ctv.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12404 I have a lot of jars of fermented honey from last year and I have recently bought young colonies. My question is: can I feed these colonies with fermented honey? Jon Article 12405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!131.216.1.86!news.nevada.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!zcarh46f.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Find the Queen - Failed! Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:20:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35618739.6F4A@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12405 Mike Reddy wrote: > > I tried the technique of seiving the bees through a QX on a hive I had > suspected of swarming and failed. The buggers all ran across the QX and > down the sides of the hive! Should I have put an empty super over it to Mike, What I do when 'seiving' for the Queen is to: 1. move the hive to one side then on the original site set up an empty brood box on a new floor with a QX between floor and brood box 2. put a sloping board up to the entrance of the new hive 3. move the frames from the original hive to the new hive but shake ALL the bees onto the sloping board before putting them in the new hive 4. when all the frames are transferred shake or brush the remaining bees in the old hive and on the old floor onto the sloping board 5. reassemble any supers from the old onto the new hive 6. go away for an hour 7. carefully remove the new brood box 8. evn more carefully remove the QX and the Queen, along with all the drones should be on the hive floor but as she doesn't like the light much may attempt to hide under the floor This normally works for me. Good luck -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.6!news2.infoave.net!nellie.musc.edu!newsmaster From: Cam Lay Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pest control Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:31:40 -0400 Organization: Clemson University Dept. of Pesticide Regulation Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3561EC2C.4240@clemson.edu> References: <3561A5D1.B8AB745B@mis.net> <3561BC18.DD1579B5@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: clay@clemson.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.23.101.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12406 Kathy wrote: > > michael wrote: > > > Hello all. Does anyone know of a way to control aphids in the > > vegetable garden without hurting the bees. My landlord and owner Almost all insecticides, Sevin included, are toxic to bees. The trick is to put it out when the bees aren't going to be there. If the garden isn't flowering, it shouldn't be attractive to the bees. The label of almost any product you pick up will have instructions not to apply where bees are foraging. That means "on anything blooming." > Also, you can tell your landlord that there are a number of different > formulations and possible concentrations for carbaryl (Sevin) and they > vary from very,very toxic to bees to toxic (though the not as toxic > formulation is granular and at certain times of the year the bees may > collect it as though it were pollen...). No, no. Bad advice. Bees pick up micro-encapsulated insecticides, e.g. Penncap-M, because they're about the same size as pollen grains. They don't pick up granules. But granules either 1) treat only the soil (not effective against aphids, eh?) or 2) are systemic -- get translocated through the plant. You don't want to use something that gets picked up and incorporated into the plant tissues now, do you? Dint think so. > > Have your landlord read the label on the pesticide. >If, as I recall, it > is labeled as unsafe for honeybees, then I believe that your landlord > assumes legal liability for any/all honeybees killed as a result of > his/her pesticide application if he/she doesn't notify the owners of all > potentially affected hives. The label has the force of law in all 50 states. Liability is a civil issue. I doubt that you'd have much luck with "any and all." An applicator who, however, applied a pesticide in an area where managed bees were known to be or likely to be foraging, e.g. on blooming crops, or on wildflowers growing on the floor of a nursery, would be in violation of the label and would be likely to be prosecuted. And as a practical matter, there's got to be some communication both ways. If you have bees and he's got a garden, y'all need to talk. You both need each other. Regards and good luck, C Clemson University and its Department of Pesticide Regulation require me to state that these opinions are mine alone and not necessarily those of any part of the University or the DPR. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All behavior is meaningful; it is only the true meaning that may not be evident to the observer. - Zulawski and Wicklander, Practical Aspects of Interview and Interrogation, CRC Press, 1993. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Regulation through education. Visit the DPR at http://dpr.clemson.edu/ Article 12407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pest control Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998051923000900.TAA22050@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1998 23:00:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3561EC2C.4240@clemson.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12407 Here we are again using chemicals to treat a problem. Anyone recall the natural enemy to the aphid? Anyone? Can you say ladybug? I knew you could. Almost any nursery sells ladybugs by the hundred lot. Turn them loose and watch them feast. No chemicals at all. Yes, you have to keep up with the insects by reapplying a couple of times throughout the growing season. But why use chemicals when nature can do the work for you. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 12408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3561A5D1.B8AB745B@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pest control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:31:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.92 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:31:43 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12408 Hello all. Does anyone know of a way to control aphids in the vegetable garden without hurting the bees. My landlord and owner of the bees wanted to use seven ( is that the right spelling for the insecticide ). I told them that might not be a good idea. Thanks for your help. Article 12409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!206.61.0.4!okra.negia.net!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pest control Date: 20 May 1998 01:00:51 GMT Organization: NorthEast Georgia Internet Access Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd838b$118a21c0$b6003dce@pettyben> References: <3561EC2C.4240@clemson.edu> <1998051923000900.TAA22050@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: temppp22.negia.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12409 Thank you! Ladybugs LOVE aphids!!! and so do their babies!!! give the ladies a chance and do be careful with the Sevin dust-- if collected as pollen it is stored in the hive and then fed to the emerging brood. guess what it does to the brood............. HDsearcher wrote in article <1998051923000900.TAA22050@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Here we are again using chemicals to treat a problem. Anyone recall the > natural enemy to the aphid? Anyone? Can you say ladybug? I knew you could. > Almost any nursery sells ladybugs by the hundred lot. Turn them loose and > watch them feast. No chemicals at all. Yes, you have to keep up with the > insects by reapplying a couple of times throughout the growing season. But why > use chemicals when nature can do the work for you. > > > A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) > Article 12410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cut Comb Foundation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998051917362800.NAA19235@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1998 17:36:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12410 I have obtained a few suppers with the small boxes for cut comb honey. I also was given some foundation. Would someone please tell me how to put the foundation into the little boxes. Thanks DougB Article 12411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders Date: 20 May 1998 13:17:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6jul63$fk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12411 In article <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net>, Allen Welk wrote: >I'll try this again. > >Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder >material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own >excluders? Walter Kelly sells zinc excluders by the 100. Perhaps you could work out a deal with them to buy the material? They are pretty nice folks. (I don't have their phone # handy--I'm sure it's on a web page, or maybe someone will follow-up with it.) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm capture, Black bees Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:54:23 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3562A84F.7C5B@juno.com> References: <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net> <1998051722445575982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895668760 OCZ7E7JIA4F49CDD8C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12412 Philip Roger Gurr wrote: > > The message <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net> > from MALMOND@CTC.NET (MALMOND) contains these words: > > > Information on what strain of bees are black or gray bees? I just > > recently captured a swarm of bees like this, there are a few Italian > > bees in the swarm but mostly black or gray bees. Anyone with help? > > Thank you > > Mark > > Hi Mark, > > Where are you from? Here in the North of Scotland, most of us still > keep the native UK black bee. They are not as productive as Italians > etc., but perform much better in our climate. We have yet to > experience varroa here, although I guess it will arrive in the next > two years. It will be interesting to see how the native black bees > cope with it, > > Regards, > > Phil. seems like it's a hybrid, regardless of what mix...if you are in a varroa- infested area, it may possess some tolerance and be "survivor" stock of some sort. stocks of carnolian (east-europe-dark) bees have been touted as "resistant" and used for breeding programs...here in northeast florida (usa), we have identified persisting feral populations, albeit in a limited way, after 12+years of varroa and 15+years of tracheal mites that are hybrids of mellifera (west-europe-dark) maternal lineage (as per mitochondrial dna analysis). all this is quite preliminary/tenuous, but potentially interesting. Article 12413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm prevention Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:54:12 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3562D274.762@lex.infi.net> References: <355D11F3.724B@voyager.net> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-123.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12413 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > Hi from Michigan! > > I have 11 hives that made it through the winter. A few were very strong > and I split off nucs from those. All seems well with those. > > Unfortunately, I must have missed one hive. Do't ask how, as I don't > know. I keep a journal every time I work with the bees. Anyway, there is > a large cluster on the outside of the hive. The hive consists of 2 deeps > and a honey super. I openned the hive today and the honey super was > full. There is good brood in the upper deep and the dear queen is > starting on the lower deep. I pulled some brood with some queen cells > (not swarm cells) to make another split and put in foundation for them > to draw out. > > Any other things I can do to prevent them from swarming? or is it too > late? > > Anne > ajhacker@voyLager.net > get the "L" out to reply via email Reversing (swapping) the lower 2 boxes could give the queen the illusion that she has more space. Queens tend to lay upwards... FMCraig Article 12414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:01:22 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3562D422.62C8@lex.infi.net> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3560A74F.280333F8@home.com> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-123.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12414 Bee Folks wrote: > > I don't recommend midnites. Mine propolize everything, and bring in no > honey. I'm going to requeen it this year by supercedure (assuming the > bees aren't too lazy to take care of queen cells). > > lorin > > Jerome R. Long wrote: > > > In article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>, biotech@qnet.com says... > > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > > I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive > > >near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros > > and > > >cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? > > > > I got midnights many years ago from York Bee Co. of Jessup, GA. They > > did very > > well for me. The only problem is excessive propolis. > > See http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnightbees/ My carniolans are as gentle as little pups, and enthusiastic comb builders...i would recommend them to anyone. FMCraig Article 12415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm capture, Black bees Date: 20 May 1998 13:44:37 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6jumo5$gbi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12415 In article <6jn9cf$8h1$1@news2.infoave.net>, MALMOND wrote: >Information on what strain of bees are black or gray bees? I just >recently captured a swarm of bees like this, there are a few Italian >bees in the swarm but mostly black or gray bees. Anyone with help? Using color to identify strain type or ecotype (eg "Italian" or Carniolan") is not accurate anymore. USA bees are quite a heterogeneous mix, with new selections taking place now for health and tolerance to pathogens-- color is less important these days. Yellow bees however, have always been more desirable in the eastern USA. This is probably a reaction to the _Apis mellifera_ mellifera (Black bees, German bees, "little black bees") that people used to keep a while back. These bees were MEAN. They did produce honey, however. I doubt you'd be able to find any lines of this "black bee" around anymore. Nathan Schiff, with the USDA-Beltsville Bee Lab did some mitochondrial DNA studies (find 'em and grind 'em) and found several colonies that had old, historical ecotypical markers that pointed to pure stock from Europe. They were rare though. The bees you have are probably some combination of ecotype that beekeepers in your area use. What's so confounding with honey bee heredity is the mating flight. Even though I.I. (instrumental insemination) is effective, it's not practical for a regular beekeeper to utilize, and thus matings cannot be controlled-- so making progress toward a "fixed" line of honey bee is difficult. Most lines are diluted at first mating of next generation unless the area is saturated with similar drones from other hives, or you're lucky and you live on an island or in the remote mountains. So, I'd say you have "American Italians" in your swarm. And, that some are light and some are dark. :-) Adam (if you aren't from the USA, then your guess is as good as any.) -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders Date: 20 May 1998 16:40:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6jv12k$rim@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.155 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12416 I tried 1/4' hardware cloth when combining afterswarms with smaller colonies this spring since I needed to destroy the Q. I dumped them on top of a screen set over an empty deep. The Q was able to pass right thru with no problem. I did this with 5 swarms that I knew were afterswarms with the same result, so it could be that since they had not yet mated, they were a little on the petite side -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! FMCraig wrote in article <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net>... > Allen Welk wrote: > > > > I'll try this again. > > > > Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > > material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > > excluders? > > > > Any suggestions? > > Al Welk > What about 1/4" hardware cloth (metal screen). That's very close to the > spacing required... > FMC > Article 12417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Foundation Date: 20 May 1998 16:47:39 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6jv1fb$rim@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <1998051917362800.NAA19235@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.155 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12417 If they are the small basswood boxes, they are for comb honey, not cut-comb. The honey should be marketed in the box. As for attaching the foundation, a picture is worth 1,000 words. Try to get a copy of "The Hive and the Honeybee". There are soon good pix that illustrate how it is done. There are also a few books that are written about producing comb honey. I have always wanted to try it but it looks to be alot more complicated than setting a super on top of a 2-deep. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! DougB713 wrote in article <1998051917362800.NAA19235@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > I have obtained a few suppers with the small boxes for cut comb honey. I also > was given some foundation. Would someone please tell me how to put the > foundation into the little boxes. Thanks > > DougB > > Article 12418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!newsroute.bconnex.ca!hme0-2.sharednews.sprint.ca!HME1.newsfeed.sprint.ca!hme1-2.newscontent.sprint.ca!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Masson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What do I look for??? Date: 20 May 1998 18:06:21 GMT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bd8419$d44ff2a0$361767d1@home> NNTP-Posting-Host: hme1-2.news.sprint.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-kgn-uas-02-3.sprint.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12418 Myself and a friend purchased some existing hives a year ago, hence we are in our second year of this hobby. We purchased an additional six hives to go along with our original two in the fall and are becoming concerned as to when we should be re-queening. Any information would be helpful along with photos of what the different brood looks like i.e. queen vs worker & drone. Also information on making queens would be interesting reading and viewing. Article 12419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pest control Date: 20 May 1998 16:57:20 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6jv21g$rim@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <3561EC2C.4240@clemson.edu> <1998051923000900.TAA22050@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.155 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12419 I like the ladybug approach too. Of course this assumes you are geographically located where they can be obtained this time of year. Sometimes we forget that it is only spring in the northern hemi. Before you turn them loose, do a little more research to increase your success. Recent memory of readings serves that there are a few more things than food that they look for. If ladybugs are impractical, I'd second the insecticidal soap such as Safer's" -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! HDsearcher wrote in article <1998051923000900.TAA22050@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Here we are again using chemicals to treat a problem. Anyone recall the > natural enemy to the aphid? Anyone? Can you say ladybug? I knew you could. > Almost any nursery sells ladybugs by the hundred lot. Turn them loose and > watch them feast. No chemicals at all. Yes, you have to keep up with the > insects by reapplying a couple of times throughout the growing season. But why > use chemicals when nature can do the work for you. > > > A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) > Article 12420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Find the Queen - Failed! Date: 20 May 98 13:33:11 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd841d$bdb64900$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12420 Mike; For some other suggestions see my posting (from Lisa) on 5/6/98 titled Finding a Queen. Lisa Article 12421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:47:18 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net> References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-123.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12421 Allen Welk wrote: > > I'll try this again. > > Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > excluders? > > Any suggestions? > Al Welk What about 1/4" hardware cloth (metal screen). That's very close to the spacing required... FMC Article 12422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!newsroute.bconnex.ca!hme0-2.sharednews.sprint.ca!HME1.newsfeed.sprint.ca!hme1-2.newscontent.sprint.ca!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Masson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: build my own beehive? Date: 20 May 1998 17:19:36 GMT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd8413$4c254d40$361767d1@home> References: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hme1-2.news.sprint.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-kgn-uas-02-3.sprint.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12422 There are some excellent plans for supers, frames and suplimentary equipment at this site and some tips and links as well. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Bluedorn wrote in article <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com>... > Could someone tell me where I can find plans for building my own > beehives? Are there any on the Web? > Nathaniel > Article 12423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Find the Queen - Failed! Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998052018264700.OAA21841@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1998 18:26:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35618739.6F4A@nt.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12423 Having a bad back and being somewhat lazy, I don't like to do all of the "work" involved with siveing for a queen. Two tricks I use require the minimum of effort and are 99% effective in locating a queen, even in a boomer hive. One method is to take a frame of brood (no bees) from another hive and insert it in the hive you are trying to locate the queen. Wait about ten minutes and remove the same frame and you'll find her highness running around on this frame looking for another queen (she senses a queen becuase the phermones on the brood come are not hers) to attack. The second method (the REAL lazy method) is to take a fresh frozen queen out of the freezer (I don't kill my replaced queen - I stick them in a Benton three-hole cage and freeze'm) and put the frozen queen on a top bar. Come back in ten minutes and you'll find the "missing" queen stinging the heck out of the formerly frozen queen. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 12424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I look for??? Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:02:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6jvjuc$pag$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01bd8419$d44ff2a0$361767d1@home> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 20 22:02:52 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12424 In article <01bd8419$d44ff2a0$361767d1@home>, "Dennis Masson" wrote: > > Myself and a friend purchased some existing hives a year ago, hence we are > in our second year of this hobby. We purchased an additional six hives to > go along with our original two in the fall and are becoming concerned as to > when we should be re-queening. Where do you live? When is your main flow? Are you in a Spring (or Fall if other end of world) flow right now? How many frames of brood (what size frame) do the colonies have right now if you are in a flow? Why do I ask? Well we typically requeen once a year (any stock not worthy of further consideration toward potential breeder queen status). We do this mostly via putting a queen cell in a cell protector in each colony during a flow - during a flow being critical from what we see. This gives about 60- 80% (it does vary) requeening sucess WITHOUT even looking for the blooming queen (especially then when the population is so high). Older queens have a higher rate of being replaced using this technique - young queens have a lower rate. It ain't picture perfect but it is fast and labor saving. IF you do not use excluders you put the protected cell in the uppermost HONEY super that is full of workers - you don't need to tear them down to the broodnest unless you use excluders. When we make splits we likewise only make a fast look pass over the frames as we distribute them - if we find the queen she is executed - if we don't "oh well" they all get a cell (or two) anyway. Sometimes queens destined for replacement that are found are caged and given a temporary job heading a nuc or some such thing. >Any information would be helpful along with > photos of what the different brood looks like i.e. queen vs worker & drone. > Also information on making queens would be interesting reading and > viewing. > For lots more info look at my BeeLinks page and peruse some of the many websites listed thereon. There is a lot of good info out there on the web. Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I look for??? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:48:55 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6jvtho$8fd$1@market.pe.net> References: <01bd8419$d44ff2a0$361767d1@home> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp46.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12425 In article <01bd8419$d44ff2a0$361767d1@home>, "Dennis Masson" wrote: >Myself and a friend purchased some existing hives a year ago, hence we are >in our second year of this hobby. We purchased an additional six hives to >go along with our original two in the fall and are becoming concerned as to >when we should be re-queening. I was told by a commercial beekeeper this weekend that he requeens his hives every year. Of course he propogates them like flies with his plastic queen cages where he tricks the queen into depositing her worms into a plastic cells with a popoff top. In my five years or so of this hobby I havent noticed any need to re-queen. Any information would be helpful along with >photos of what the different brood looks like i.e. queen vs worker & drone. A little observation hive is perfect to get to be able to recognize the three types of bees. I made a single frame box and put plexiglass sides on it and put a frame from the hive into it. I picked a frame with plenty of capped brood and lots of bees and cells with honey and pollen too. I put canvas drapes over the sides to keep a little darkness in there. I hung it in the patio. Fortuitously for me, I picked a frame out of my hive that had a tattered queen already on it so I actually got to watch her drop her narrow butt into the cells! She had apparently been co-existing with the younger queen of that colony Have you looked into top bar hives? I just installed a new top bar hive this weekend, here in So. Cal. Article 12426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "met" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: change the queen Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:33:23 +0200 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6js8p2$k6m$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp34.197.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12426 I am amateur beekeeping and I would like to know if is convenient to change the queen for improve the priduction. I have never changed the queen, but I have problems because I have many swarms. I hope that someone can advice me also I would like to know is is easy change the queen . thanks. Article 12427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35638631.629B1980@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:41:05 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.7.222 X-Trace: 21 May 1998 02:41:16 GMT, 32.100.7.222 Lines: 17 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.7.222 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12427 Has anyone else had any luck with 1/4" screen? FMCraig wrote: > > Allen Welk wrote: > > > > I'll try this again. > > > > Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > > material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > > excluders? > > > > Any suggestions? > > Al Welk > What about 1/4" hardware cloth (metal screen). That's very close to the > spacing required... > FMC Article 12428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3563868B.BEF03428@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:42:35 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <6jul63$fk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.7.222 X-Trace: 21 May 1998 02:42:46 GMT, 32.100.7.222 Lines: 25 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.7.222 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12428 Thanks, I have delt with Kelly for most of my materials. Silly but I never thought about asking them. Thanks Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net>, Allen Welk wrote: > >I'll try this again. > > > >Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > >material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > >excluders? > > Walter Kelly sells zinc excluders by the 100. Perhaps you could work out a > deal with them to buy the material? > > They are pretty nice folks. > (I don't have their phone # handy--I'm sure it's on a web page, or maybe > someone will follow-up with it.) > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35638707.F2ACED49@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:44:39 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net> <6jv12k$rim@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.7.222 X-Trace: 21 May 1998 02:44:50 GMT, 32.100.7.222 Lines: 35 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.7.222 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12429 Thanks, I guess I need to get into some of the entomology of the bee and compare the sizes of worker and Queen for accurate dimentions. The research continues. Thanks for the thoughts George Styer wrote: > > I tried 1/4' hardware cloth when combining afterswarms with smaller > colonies this spring since I needed to destroy the Q. I dumped them on top > of a screen set over an empty deep. The Q was able to pass right thru with > no problem. I did this with 5 swarms that I knew were afterswarms with the > same result, so it could be that since they had not yet mated, they were a > little on the petite side > -- > Geo > Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! > > FMCraig wrote in article > <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net>... > > Allen Welk wrote: > > > > > > I'll try this again. > > > > > > Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > > > material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > > > excluders? > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > Al Welk > > What about 1/4" hardware cloth (metal screen). That's very close to the > > spacing required... > > FMC > > Article 12430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "D.Shinn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Concerning Nest in building Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:16:20 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3563AA94.4CAD@hotmail.com> Reply-To: dshinn@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-73-112.s112.tnt1.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 895724485 20289 207.172.73.112 (21 May 1998 04:21:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12430 I am a beekeeper in Virginia and I recently had a club approach me about removing a nest of bees from the side of their building. The bees have not gotten inside, but yet seem to have been there for over a year. They nest is quite lively. I talked with another beekeeper in the area about this problem and tried to come up with a solution to remove the bees without killing them. Hate to kill bees since so few wild ones left. With them being in a wall, to me opening the wall and trying to find the queen and catch her and still get the rest of the workers out, seemed a almost impossible task. My friend and I came up with the idea to cover the hole of the hive with something and run a tube from the hole into a swarm box with some frames of brood and honey in it along with a pheremone (sorry spelling) lure in the box. If the bees wish to exit the nest now, they have to go thru about a foot of tubing (2") into the swarm box and then can exit from there. Does anyone think the queen will leave the nest in the wall to "setup shop" in the swarm box? I wonder if she won't smell the other "queen" and go looking for her and then find the box and like it? Or is it thought that I will just end up with lots of workers in the box and the queen and others still in the wall? I thought I would try this first, and if it doesn't work, have to end up killing them in the wall and then remove everything left. Was just curious what others thought or if they had any other suggestions. Would it be advisable to put the bees I do catch into my apairy or should I put them in different area away from my 6 hives? They seem to be healthly and would guess they don't have any mites since have been in same place for over a year at least. Thank you all for your thoughts. Article 12431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bman1998@aol.com (B MAN1998) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998052105523900.BAA01124@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1998 05:52:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12431 How do I know if the Royal Jelly I buy is 100% Royal Jelly? Article 12432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!ozemail!ozreader From: joxblox@ozemail.com.au (Ian and Barbara Lawrie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Australian Native Bees Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:29:39 GMT Organization: OzEmail Ltd. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3562ae93.1178910@news.ozemail.com.au> References: <6jhg2v$90s$1@nornet2.nor.com.au> <1998051518435175982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.108.214.47 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12432 On Fri, 15 May 1998 18:43:51 +0100, Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >The message <6jhg2v$90s$1@nornet2.nor.com.au> > from "Geoff" contains these words: > > >> Having no past experience in beekeeping I'm wondering if anyone can give me >> any info on Australian Native Bees? I have Just aquired a hive. These bees >> are the size of a common house fly. They will be living in my back yard >> where I have Australian natives growing such as bottle brush, banksia, lilly >> pilly, and fruit trees (lemons, orange, mandarin). I spray the citrus >> quarterly for sooty mould and bronze beatle. > > > > > > > Geoff, My father has a colony living in a log and has had them 25 years or so. The climate out there is hot and dry so there is not really the sooty mould thing there, however, as always with bees, all use of insecticides should be with care (spray in the cool of evening) and avoid misting the bees. You will notice a propolis closure of any entrances in cooler months as they shut down to further subsistence mode (don't panic!..when it warms up they go like mad) You should enjoy your hive, not too many people have one. Any questions, ask me if you like and I may know some more. Regards, IL ***************************************************** "A Man's potential is only limited by the power tools His Wife will not allow him to buy" ***************************************************** Ian Lawrie joxblox'@ozemail'.com.au Sydney Australia (remove ' ' to reply) _______________________________ Article 12433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee pups (was Re: Midnite bees?) Date: 20 May 1998 13:21:06 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6julc2$fld$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3560A74F.280333F8@home.com> <3562D422.62C8@lex.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12433 In article <3562D422.62C8@lex.infi.net>, FMCraig wrote: >My carniolans are as gentle as little pups, and enthusiastic comb >builders...i would recommend them to anyone. A cool simile--bees being like "little pups" -- what type of pup? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: escofiel@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:18:12 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6k0v13$jo3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <6jul63$fk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.175.108.6 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 21 10:18:12 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Update a; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12434 In article <6jul63$fk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > > In article <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net>, Allen Welk wrote: > >I'll try this again. > > > >Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > >material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > >excluders? > > Walter Kelly sells zinc excluders by the 100. Perhaps you could work out a > deal with them to buy the material? > > They are pretty nice folks. > (I don't have their phone # handy--I'm sure it's on a web page, or maybe > someone will follow-up with it.) > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf > Walter Kelly 1-800-233-2899 Ernie Scofield -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35644618.5EB9B0BA@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:19:52 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: escofiel@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Queen Excluders References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <6jul63$fk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6k0v13$jo3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.84 X-Trace: 21 May 1998 16:20:59 GMT, 139.92.84.84 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 47 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.84 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12436 You can take a look of the queen excluders and other vanguard beekeeper's equipment that we produce in Greece . Visit our page . Eleftherios Pantelakis ANEL-STANDARD CO ANDREA KALVU 105 N. IONIA T.K. 14231 ATHENS-GREECE TEL-FAX 0030-1-2771180 e-mail : pantelakis@ibm.net http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm escofiel@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <6jul63$fk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > > > > In article <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net>, Allen Welk wrote: > > >I'll try this again. > > > > > >Does anyone know of a source for queen excluder > > >material. I am looking for it in bulk to make my own > > >excluders? > > > > Walter Kelly sells zinc excluders by the 100. Perhaps you could work out a > > deal with them to buy the material? > > > > They are pretty nice folks. > > (I don't have their phone # handy--I'm sure it's on a web page, or maybe > > someone will follow-up with it.) > > > > Adam > > -- > > Adam Finkelstein > > adamf@vt.edu > > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf > > > > Walter Kelly 1-800-233-2899 > > Ernie Scofield > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Concerning Nest in building Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:31:56 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <356448EC.57CD@lex.infi.net> References: <3563AA94.4CAD@hotmail.com> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-98.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12437 If you smoke them enough, they may abscond and move to the swarm box. Or use a shop vac and try to vac them all out! FMCraig Article 12438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:41:41 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35644B35.71F3@lex.infi.net> References: <6jb4al$41d$1@news.ipa.net> <3559662a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <6jj130$ua$6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6jlmim$ec0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-98.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12438 A dog flea collar can kill a cat due to their relative sensitivity to the chemicals on the collar. Remember that for those cats who have overstayed their welcome! FMCraig Article 12439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:44:04 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <356448de.1421883@news.jps.net> References: <1998052105523900.BAA01124@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.15 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.15 Lines: 22 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12439 On 21 May 1998 05:52:39 GMT, bman1998@aol.com (B MAN1998) wrote: >How do I know if the Royal Jelly I buy is 100% Royal Jelly? Buy it direct from a local producer? Or you could test it by using it to prime queen cells. If the queen that results is healthy the Royal Jelly may be OK. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Read about the "China Honey Gate" & the " Left Wing CONspiracy" promoted by some Honey Packers & Stealers attack on the Sue Bee beekeeping CoOp.... (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee pups (was Re: Midnite bees?) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:28:40 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35644828.5794@lex.infi.net> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3560A74F.280333F8@home.com> <3562D422.62C8@lex.infi.net> <6julc2$fld$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-98.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12440 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article <3562D422.62C8@lex.infi.net>, > FMCraig wrote: > > >My carniolans are as gentle as little pups, and enthusiastic comb > >builders...i would recommend them to anyone. > > A cool simile--bees being like "little pups" -- what type of pup? > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf You know, the gentle busy kind of pup! Kind of curious and big-eyed. FMCraig Article 12441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Supers (Deep and Shallow) with Foundation Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:41:45 -0400 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <3563af70.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p13.a1.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12441 Due to a disability, I am unable to build new supers and install foundation. Does anyone know of a source for deeps and shallows, with foundation installed, which are ready to go, for purchase? I live in southern Michigan and would like a local source, if possible. Thanks for your help! Mark Article 12442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: FMCraig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pest control Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:53:25 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35644DF5.257D@lex.infi.net> References: <3561A5D1.B8AB745B@mis.net> Reply-To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-98.lex.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12442 "Sevin" is extremely poisonous to bees in its powder form, and only slightly less so as a liquid. FMCraig michael wrote: > > Hello all. Does anyone know of a way to control aphids in the vegetable > garden without hurting the bees. My landlord and owner of the bees > wanted to use seven ( is that the right spelling for the insecticide ). > I told them that might not be a good idea. Thanks for your help. Article 12443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Marc Patry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluders - do we really need them? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:04:41 GMT Organization: Natural Resources Canada / Ressources naturelles Canada Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35646c24.21618186@news.nrcan.gc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!webster.srv.gc.ca!news.NRCan.gc.ca!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12443 Over the past few years, I have begun to think that queen excluders discourage bees from storing honey in honey supers. Last weekend (in South West Quebec - where the honey season is at least 3 weeks ahead of schedule), I noticed how workers struggled to get through the queen excluder - they can cross it, but it takes some effortl. Does anyone out there have any experience with this? Advice? Thanks! mpatry@nrcan.gc.ca Article 12444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!ip-211.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:11:13 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-211.skylands.net X-Trace: news4.ispnews.com 895773610 27286 206.103.0.211 (21 May 1998 18:00:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 1998 18:00:10 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12444 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to other mead sites with recipes at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ Article 12445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Voroa Research? Date: 21 May 1998 18:05:11 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998052118051100.OAA12695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <35644B35.71F3@lex.infi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12445 In article <35644B35.71F3@lex.infi.net>, FMCraig writes: >A dog flea collar can kill a cat due to their relative sensitivity to >the chemicals on the collar. >Remember that for those cats who have overstayed their welcome! >FMCraig > > I always read the label, and in years past I noted that they were identical for all dog and cat collars of all sizes. The LENGTH of the collar regulated dosage I believe, so I always bought the longest ones, and cut it up for several cats and a dog. Article 12446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen laying in supers Date: 21 May 1998 19:41:26 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6k2016$fpd@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.85 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12446 Never had this happen before (2 hives). The Q in one has been laying all the way up to the 3rd shallow and all points below. Ruined the nice white wax they drew out on some thin surplus for cut-comb....Arrrg. Anyway, I don't like the idea of a QX but I need to discourage her from this so I figure my options (in order of preference) are to put her back in the deeps and: 1. Put a shallow with 10 frames of sealed honey above 2nd deep to act as a "honey barrier". 2. Put the inner cover w/ escape removed above the 2nd deep. My thinking is that she will be reluctant to go back up, but it's just a hunch. 3. Buy and install a QX :-( I lent out my entire beekeeping reference library so I am seeking your wisdom and tricks. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 12447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sfairing@aol.com (SFairing) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Concerning Nest in building Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998052119380700.PAA20516@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1998 19:38:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <356448EC.57CD@lex.infi.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12447 Cover the hole with screen wire and a bee escape. Place new hive as close to the escape as possible. The workers will leave the nest in the wall and enter your hive when there is no where else to go. Requeen the hive in a week or two and leave for an additional month. Open the bee escape and allow the workers to go back into the old nest. They ill kill the old queen and rob the hive. You end up with the bees and the honey for only the cost of the new queen In HIS Service Robert (Scott).Firing fairing@juno.com Article 12448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Transferring bees from one hive to another. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998052120042700.QAA22903@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1998 20:04:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12448 Hello! I ordered a bee hive starter kit from Dadant and Sons Co. a day or two ago, and I then began thinking about where I would get bees for it. A friend of mine has a wild bee hive in in an owl house in his backyard; he would like to get rid of the bees, and I would like to put them into my comercially made hive. So, my question is, how do I transfer the bees from the owl house to my hive? Any ideas? Tips? Any help would be greatly apprieciated! Thanks is advance, Dar Article 12449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders - do we really need them? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:04:11 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6k24o8$j8n$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <35646c24.21618186@news.nrcan.gc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp26.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12449 In article <3 I noticed how workers struggled to get through the queen >excluder - they can cross it, but it takes some effortl. > J'avais écouté que quelques apiculteurs utilisent le mot "poscriteur des abeilles" pas le mot "poscriteur des reines". I have heard that some beekeepers use the word "Bee Excluders" not the word "Queen Excluders". Article 12450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Transferring bees from one hive to another. Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:09:25 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6k2522$j8n$2@arlington.pe.net> References: <1998052120042700.QAA22903@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp26.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12450 In case you didn't read the following message already, I herewith reprint it as it might be a way for you to get your friend's wild colony: Cover the hole with screen wire and a bee escape. Place new hive as close to the escape as possible. The workers will leave the nest in the wall and enter your hive when there is no where else to go. Requeen the hive in a week or two and leave for an additional month. Open the bee escape and allow the workers to go back into the old nest. They ill kill the old queen and rob the hive. You end up with the bees and the honey for only the cost of the new queen In HIS Service Robert (Scott).Firing Article 12451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry WIlliard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:40:02 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <35649F31.1FF8B1B0@fcbl.com> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895787063 EDOBMGQ.FB035D018C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12451 I opened the hive today to check the sugar water. I lightly smoked the entrance. Then cracked the top just enough to puff some smoke inside and immediately about 2-40 bees poured out and started bouncing off me. Since Sunday afternoon they consumed 1 gal of sugar water. Today is Sunny and lightly breezy and in the 90's. Since the brood box was filled I added another brood box on the bottom. Boy did they pour out then. I would say they are mean spirited. I will give them another 2 weeks and if they are still mean. What is the best kind of queen to requeen with? any suggestions as to the best kind and where to get her would be appreciated. Thanks LArry Larry WIlliard wrote: > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > queen. Should I requeen? > Thanks for your help > > Larry Article 12452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Philip Hempel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Supers (Deep and Shallow) with Foundation Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:50:57 -0400 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3564A1C1.5498FDDD@ibm.net> References: <3563af70.0@news.ic.net> Reply-To: phempel@blossomland.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895787210 OWV4KGLQP69E9A648 usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: Owners Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12452 Call 1-800-637-5262 Blossomland Supply Berrien Center MI. The Box & frames assembled are available upon request. Phil Hempel Owner Blossomland Supply www.blossomland.com Owners wrote: > Due to a disability, I am unable to build new supers and install foundation. > Does anyone know of a source for deeps and shallows, with foundation > installed, which are ready to go, for purchase? > > I live in southern Michigan and would like a local source, if possible. > > Thanks for your help! > > Mark Article 12453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what kind of bee drills holes? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:08 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.69.101.207 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12453 Does anyone know what kind of bee drills holes in wood? I have a bee's nest in a railing on my patio. I notice a lot of what appear to be very large bumble bee hanging around my patio...now I know why..they have actually drilled a hole in the railing and live inside. Is this normal and what kind of bee does this? What is the best way to distroy the nest and to prevent them from coming back? Thanks for any information at all. -Teri Article 12454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what kind of bee drills holes? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:01:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1998052201010475982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12454 The message <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> from contains these words: > Does anyone know what kind of bee drills holes in wood? I have a bee's nest > in a railing on my patio. I notice a lot of what appear to be very large > bumble bee hanging around my patio...now I know why..they have actually > drilled a hole in the railing and live inside. Is this normal and what kind > of bee does this? What is the best way to distroy the nest and to prevent > them from coming back? > Thanks for any information at all. > -Teri Move to a condo where you won't bee bothered by all this nasty unfettered nature. Why do you want to destroy them? What harm are they doing to you? Phil. Article 12455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what kind of bee drills holes? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:49:39 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6k2huu$btn$1@market.pe.net> References: <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp19.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12455 In article <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: >Does anyone know what kind of bee drills holes in wood? I have one of these that comes back every year to my patio: "carpenter bee" Britannica Online. carpenter bee, any of the insects of the family Xylocopidae (order Hymenoptera) found in most parts of the world. The small carpenter, Ceratina, is about six millimetres long and of metallic coloration. It nests in plant stems, which the female first hollows out and then packs with pollen and eggs. A number of individual cells are placed in a row, separated by thin partitions of wood debris mixed with saliva. The large carpenter, Xylocopa, somewhat resembles the bumblebee but differs in having a nonhairy abdomen and in its habit of nesting in a tunnel excavated within solid wood. Article 12456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying hive in massachusetts Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:35:38 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3564C85A.7AFA@ultranet.com> References: <355EF660.2975@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d148.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 22 May 1998 00:40:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: eden@net1plus.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12456 eden@net1plus.com wrote: > > would someone please suggest a source for me to buy a hive with bees > here in massachusetts. > Seems its too late in the season to start from scratch.. > and I'm a total newbee > > thanks > wesley Call Davoc Bee Supply co i n Southboro 508 485 8112 Article 12457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying hive in massachusetts Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:35:54 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3564C86A.1647@ultranet.com> References: <355EF660.2975@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d148.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 22 May 1998 00:41:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: eden@net1plus.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12457 eden@net1plus.com wrote: > > would someone please suggest a source for me to buy a hive with bees > here in massachusetts. > Seems its too late in the season to start from scratch.. > and I'm a total newbee > > thanks > wesley Call Davco Bee Supply co i n Southboro 508 485 8112 Regards, Marc Andelman Article 12458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Transferring bees from one hive to another. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998052201272300.VAA26125@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1998 01:27:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6k2522$j8n$2@arlington.pe.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12458 Yes, I did read that. I was hoping that there was some way I could do it without having to make frequent trips to my friend's house to see how things were going. I also have spent my free money for a while on the hive and don't really want to spend any more. Thanks for the reply, though. Dar Article 12459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:27:43 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 211-g3.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12459 Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of requeening. Give me your opinions please. Thanks Kent Article 12460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!pingflood.geo.net!news.onlynews.com!not-for-mail From: "Terry Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3561D4A7.164E14FF@ibm.net> <3562D0D6.4F65@lex.infi.net> <35638631.629B1980@ibm.net> Subject: Re: Queen Excluders Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:25:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.197.75 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:25:10 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12460 I have no experience with 1/4 inch screen but measured diagonally it is considerably larger than 1/4 inch. Article 12461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.63 Message-ID: <3564ef14.0@news9.kcdata.com> Date: 22 May 1998 03:20:52 -0600 X-Trace: 22 May 1998 03:20:52 -0600, 209.136.8.63 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed.icanect.net!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news9.kcdata.com!209.136.8.63 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12461 In article <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net>, beeman@kingston.net says... > >Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of >requeening. Give me your opinions please. > >Thanks Kent I have about 150 colonies that are Buckfast. I purchased the queens and sometimes packages through B. Weaver Apiaries in Navosota, TX. The queens seem to lay a solid pattern. They are also good honey producers. I also like the gentleness of the strain. If you need the phone number or address just write back. William Hummer Hummer & Son Honey Farm 287 Sligo Rd. Bossier City, Louisiana (318) 742-3541 Article 12462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: build my own beehive? Date: 22 May 1998 03:38:21 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6k2rvd$ra9@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.81.34 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12462 Take a look at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Bluedorn wrote in article <35602F8F.86019190@muscanet.com>... > Could someone tell me where I can find plans for building my own > beehives? Are there any on the Web? > Nathaniel > Article 12463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: dave@scranton.com (Dave D. Cawley) Subject: Re: Midnite bees? References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:08:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: du18.scr.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:08:04 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12463 In article <6jeu4g$pni$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: >In article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>, biotech@qnet.com says... >> >>Greetings, >> >> I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive >>near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros and >>cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? > >I got midnights many years ago from York Bee Co. of Jessup, GA. They did very >well for me. The only problem is excessive propolis. I got midnights and starlines from York. The midnights did ok, but I'd recommend the starlines who went like gangbusters! They built up twice as fast, brought in 60 pounds of honey!!! All this and they were new last May. I just split them into a third hive and might have to split them a second time in a month or so. Dave Article 12464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cognant.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mike@cognant.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping course for Beginners in UK - beekorz.txt [1/1] Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:15:51 GMT Organization: Cognant Consultants Limited Message-ID: <895832151.20385.0.nnrp-03.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895832151 nnrp-03:20385 NO-IDENT cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12464 HARROGATE AND RIPON BEEKEEPERS ASSOCIATION WEEKEND BEEKEEPING COURSE For the benefit of those who are unable to attend the 8-week practical beekeeping course at Harlow Carr Botanical Gardens, Harrogate, North Yorkshire, UK, it is intended to hold a course there on Saturday and Sunday 1st/2nd August 1998. The course, which will include both Theory and Practice, is designed to provide sufficient basic knowledge to enable and encourage a complete beginner to start beekeeping. The fee for the course will be £30(Thirty pounds), including meals. Bed and breakfast accommodation can be provided by members of the Harrogate and Ripon Beekeepers Association, if required, for course members and partners. Further information and application forms can be obtained from John Annett, 3 Rossett Drive, Harrogate, North Yorkshire HG2 9NS, telephone 01423 872715 Article 12465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!Kijfhoek.NL.net!not-for-mail From: "Henk van de Vondervoort" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal jelly Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:53:09 +0200 Organization: NLnet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6k3p0g$s8o$1@news.Kijfhoek.NL.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tb99-7.tilburg.nl.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12465 I'm helping somebody from Algeria who is going to try to produce Royal jelly. He is looking for a way to get it from 3 day old larfs. My guess is that it can only be found in sufficient amounts in queen cells. Does anybody have experience? Article 12466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!hub.org!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News headlines Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:20:25 +0100 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895851228 nnrp-03:29097 NO-IDENT pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:17367 sci.agriculture:26152 sci.agriculture.fruit:1815 sci.agriculture.poultry:5377 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12466 sci.agriculture.ratites:1261 The updated headlines from Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Animal Pharm is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 12467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: danny.bowers@sympatico.ca (Danny Bowers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Organization: Honeydale Reply-To: danny.bowers@sympatico.ca References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:30:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.192.228 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:30:39 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12467 Kent, I'm in Ontario, I got 4 colonies last year from another beekeeper. He told me that they had a better probability of withstanding varroa. I really like them. One of the four is a bit testy, but the other 3 were as docile as Italians. In fact, I rarely use smoke to look at them or pull a frame. One did not make the winter. We had an exceptionally mild winter, with many warm days. Bees spent time flying and looking for flowers when they should have stayed home. They ended uo running out of honeyjust before my first nectar sources were available. The yard where i have them is not a great producing area, so as expected, I did not get a big crop. I hope more people post responses to your request. I want to hear more about where they are from, what others think and if they are going to become a bit more popular. Danny Kent Stienburg wrote: > Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of > requeening. Give me your opinions please. > Thanks Kent Article 12468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cognant.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mike@cognant.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Course for Beginners in UK Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:09:03 GMT Organization: Cognant Consultants Limited Message-ID: <895853343.25828.0.nnrp-07.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895853343 nnrp-07:25828 NO-IDENT cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12468 HARROGATE AND RIPON BEEKEEPERS ASSOCIATION WEEKEND BEEKEEPING COURSE For the benefit of those who are unable to attend the 8-week practical beekeeping course at Harlow Carr Botanical Gardens, Harrogate, North Yorkshire, UK, it is intended to hold a course there on Saturday and Sunday 1st/2nd August 1998. The course, which will include both Theory and Practice, is designed to provide sufficient basic knowledge to enable and encourage a complete beginner to start beekeeping. The fee for the course will be £30(Thirty pounds), including meals. Bed and breakfast accommodation can be provided by members of the Harrogate and Ripon Beekeepers Association, if required, for course members and partners. Further information and application forms can be obtained from John Annett, 3 Rossett Drive, Harrogate, North Yorkshire HG2 9NS, telephone 01423 872715 Article 12469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Marc Patry, Ottawa Canada Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:25:01 GMT Organization: Natural Resources Canada / Ressources naturelles Canada Lines: 44 Message-ID: <35659883.11614033@news.nrcan.gc.ca> References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> Reply-To: mpastry@nrcan.gc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!webster.srv.gc.ca!news.NRCan.gc.ca!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12469 Danny, what did you pay for your buckfast? Did you buy nucs? I'm in the Ottawa area (my three hives, in Quebec, survived the winter - varroa is just appearing around here for the first time). Do you use anything (eg. formic acid / apistan) with your Buckfast? Marc Patry mpatry@nrcan.gc.ca On Fri, 22 May 1998 14:30:39 GMT, danny.bowers@sympatico.ca (Danny Bowers) wrote: >Kent, > >I'm in Ontario, I got 4 colonies last year from another beekeeper. He >told me that they had a better probability of withstanding varroa. > >I really like them. One of the four is a bit testy, but the other 3 >were as docile as Italians. In fact, I rarely use smoke to look at >them or pull a frame. > >One did not make the winter. We had an exceptionally mild winter, >with many warm days. Bees spent time flying and looking for flowers >when they should have stayed home. They ended uo running out of >honeyjust before my first nectar sources were available. > >The yard where i have them is not a great producing area, so as >expected, I did not get a big crop. > >I hope more people post responses to your request. I want to hear more >about where they are from, what others think and if they are going to >become a bit more popular. > >Danny > >Kent Stienburg wrote: > >> Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of >> requeening. Give me your opinions please. > >> Thanks Kent > > Article 12470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: Re: what kind of bee drills holes? Message-ID: <3565B5F7.A4169B80@analogic.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:29:28 -0400 References: <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12470 Jaggs1@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Does anyone know what kind of bee drills holes in wood? I have a > bee's nest > in a railing on my patio. I notice a lot of what appear to be very > large > bumble bee hanging around my patio...now I know why..they have > actually > drilled a hole in the railing and live inside. Is this normal and > what kind > of bee does this? What is the best way to distroy the nest and to > prevent > them from coming back? > > Thanks for any information at all. > > -Teri They sound like some bees that were described in a very interesting article in the New York Times Magazine this month. It was about the USDA's search for alternate bee pollinators. The hero of the article was called something like the blue orchard bee(I think), is stingless, and is more efficient in pollination(but no honey) than the honey bee. It also lives in holes drilled into blocks of wood. The USDA has even invented "hives" for them. Article 12471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what kind of bee drills holes? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:11:50 -0500 Organization: Public Welfare Foundation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3565BFE5.A684CA4A@publicwelfare.org> References: <6k289o$g65@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: rdavis@publicwelfare.org NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.32.85.162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895856649 VRL06/YYI55A2CF20C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12471 I wouldn't worry about them. I've had them for years on my porch and they cause no harm to people or structure--I enjoy them. Last summer I had a big garden party and one guest just took it upon himself to systematically kill them as they came and went! What arrogance! I was glad he didn't take offense at my dog!. But some survived and they're back this year. Becky in Maryland Article 12472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3565E880.AE167A77@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 00:05:04 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Marc@ibm.net, Patry@ibm.net Subject: Re: Queen Excluders - do we really need them? References: <35646c24.21618186@news.nrcan.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.17 X-Trace: 22 May 1998 22:05:50 GMT, 139.92.84.17 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 40 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12472 If you know the purpose of the queen excluder , then you can understand how necessary it is . The workers are really making efforts to pass through the holes of the excluder , and as a matter of fact you have a decrease in the honey production . But this decrease is very little and if the blossoming is good you will not be able even to understand the deference . Imagine what would happened , if you did not use the excluder . Then you could not crop the honey from several frames because of the queen lying-in . After all , you are placing the excluder , only in hives you want to take honey ( or if you want to make queen breeding , bat this is an other story ) and that means strong swarms which will not have big problem by loosing a little part of their energy to pass the excluder . The 70 % of beekeepers are using the queen screens in Greece and they are satisfied . Eleftherios Pantelakis ANEL-STANDARD CO ANDREA KALVU 105 N. IONIA T.K. 14231 ATHENS-GREECE TEL-FAX 0030-1-2771180 e-mail : pantelakis@ibm.net http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm Marc, Patry wrote: > Over the past few years, I have begun to think that queen excluders > discourage bees from storing honey in honey supers. Last weekend (in > South West Quebec - where the honey season is at least 3 weeks ahead > of schedule), I noticed how workers struggled to get through the queen > excluder - they can cross it, but it takes some effortl. > > Does anyone out there have any experience with this? Advice? > > Thanks! > > mpatry@nrcan.gc.ca Article 12473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3565E4CF.7F6F1D04@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 23:49:19 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: elliegrl@lex.infi.net Subject: Re: pest control References: <3561A5D1.B8AB745B@mis.net> <35644DF5.257D@lex.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.17 X-Trace: 22 May 1998 21:50:06 GMT, 139.92.84.17 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 34 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12473 Dear friend , I am involved with the biological control of pests in Greece . Dissolve potassium soap in water in analogy 1-2 % W/W . In this dilution , add 1% alcohol . Spray with this the plants with hard leaves (like roses , lemon trees a.o. ) .Repeat the spraying after 2 or three days and after one week . There will be no more aphids as well us like other pests . Do not spray the plants with soft leavs . This will not hart the bees as you can understand . Eleftherios Pantelakis ANEL-STANDARD CO ANDREA KALVU 105 N. IONIA T.K. 14231 ATHENS-GREECE TEL-FAX 0030-1-2771180 e-mail : pantelakis@ibm.net http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm FMCraig wrote: > "Sevin" is extremely poisonous to bees in its powder form, and only > slightly less so as a liquid. > FMCraig > > michael wrote: > > > > Hello all. Does anyone know of a way to control aphids in the vegetable > > garden without hurting the bees. My landlord and owner of the bees > > wanted to use seven ( is that the right spelling for the insecticide ). > > I told them that might not be a good idea. Thanks for your help. Article 12474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:58:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1998052222584075982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12474 The message from danny.bowers@sympatico.ca (Danny Bowers) contains these words: > Kent, > One did not make the winter. We had an exceptionally mild winter, > with many warm days. Bees spent time flying and looking for flowers > when they should have stayed home. They ended uo running out of > honeyjust before my first nectar sources were available. Same here in the North of Scotland. The mildest February on record and the queens started laying. Then came the blizzards of early March and April, and the surviving workers had a real problem keeping the new brood nourished and warm. We read a lot about keeping bees warm in winter but I haven't ever seen anything about keeping them cold! > I hope more people post responses to your request. I want to hear more > about where they are from, what others think and if they are going to > become a bit more popular. The Buckfast strain of bees were developed centuries ago by the monks at Buckfast Abbey in South Devon UK., where the bees always had a reputation for gentleness. As far as I know, the bees are still kept there (at least they were when I last visited) and queens used to be available from them directly - good for Abbey income. The monks at Buckfast Abbey also produce a well known alcoholic tonic wine (also known as Buckfast) which has quite a `sting' if not treated with care (;-)) Phil. Article 12475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thank you all! Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:06:37 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6k3t02$cg7@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.69.96.249 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12475 Thank you all who responded with helpfull information about the carpenter bees. I am having it looked into by my landlord....I would not have the nest destroy except that I want to use the patio and the bees are so big and so many they have become a nuance. Thanks again for the info. -Teri Article 12476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!dallas-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldfeed.gte.net!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: 23 May 1998 01:56:15 GMT Organization: Airnews! at Internet America Lines: 27 Message-ID: <73B9AD08328554A3.6C1D3788E38A097C.43E8B7C1A8156418@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <01bd85ee$15d2f760$863488cf@larryfar> References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> <1998052222584075982@zetnet.co.uk> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri May 22 20:56:16 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OE4+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12476 > The Buckfast strain of bees were developed centuries ago by the monks > at Buckfast Abbey in South Devon UK-- Well, not exactly "centuries" ago; more like a few "decades" ago. And by ONE monk named Adam, O.B.E, Dr. of Science. I had the pleasure of meeting brother Adam in 1992 (he has since died). The Buckfast bees are based on the Italian race of honeybees and have been selectively (genetically) crossed with the best (IAW with Br. Adam's definitation of 'best') traits of several other race's of bees. Busy Knight Dallas, Texas The abbey was 're-occupied' in 1882 and rebuilt by the Catholic Benedictine order. There was some evidence of beekeeping on the grounds prior to the dissolution in 1539. However, in about 1915, Acarine disease (i.e., tracheal mites) nearly destroyed the newly established beekeeping practice at the abbey. The old native English variety was nearly wiped out. Only the Italian strain survived. It was from these beginnings that Br. Adam developed the Buckfast race of honeybees. Article 12477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshrike@aol.com (Red shrike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gray pollen...mold? Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998052302543800.WAA25702@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1998 02:54:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998051722505175982@zetnet.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12477 Hello, I too started a package of bees this summer. I live in New Jersey which isn't to far from you. I have also seen the grey and dark brown pollen. The bees are doing well, but maybe a bit slow on the build up due to all the darn rain. Good luck!! Article 12478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998052307151400.DAA16150@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1998 07:15:14 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12478 I am privilaged to to have gone to Buckfast in 1994 with a group of bee kepers and was shown around the home apriary by the apiary manager (Brother Adam was in Germany at the time). Although we took veils we all soon realised that we just didn't need them! The bees were very docile indeed, living in Modified Dadent type hives each with its own feeder (used for colony expansion). As to the ability of the bees to fetch and process nectar into honey ... I got the impression that given you put these bees next to a large area of heavy nectar producing plants you would get a large crop. But I also got the impression that they wern't the type of bee that stuggled to fill the hive at any cost ... though I could be wrong. Hope this helps - regards Nick Article 12479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To feed bees with fermented honey Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998052307273100.DAA16563@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1998 07:27:31 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk References: <35625857.1023915@news.ctv.es> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12479 Jon Yes you can. Warm the honey to a liquid and either transfer it to a rapid feeder (large tub with fine mesh in the lid) or, if it's in jars - puncture the lids and up-end them over the feed hole on the hive. The best time to do this is just before the honey flow (if you get such things where ever you are in the world) I used this method to dispose of 70 pounds of fermenting Oilseed Rape honey earlier this year with no bad side effects what so ever. Regards Nick Article 12480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: U.K. equipment suppliers - info wanted Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998052307345500.DAA21043@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1998 07:34:55 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk References: <1998051914261475982@zetnet.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12480 Phil E H Torne (Beehives) Ltd are the biggest suppliers of beekeeping equipment in the UK. Thier address is Beehive Works, Wragby, Market Rasen, Lincs LN8 5LA Tel 01673 858555 Fax: 857004 Email: thorne@dial.pipex.com or Web (for the future) //www.thorne.co.uk. They have agents throughout the UK but I don't have a list to hand. Hope this helps Regards Nick Article 12481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net> <35659883.11614033@news.nrcan.gc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.60 Message-ID: <35664174.0@news9.kcdata.com> Date: 23 May 1998 03:24:36 -0600 X-Trace: 23 May 1998 03:24:36 -0600, 209.136.8.60 Lines: 51 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!207.170.70.18!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news9.kcdata.com!209.136.8.60 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12481 The Buckfast bee is not resistant to Varroa. It is resistant to trachea. So you still have to use the Apistan or Formic Acid to treat for the varroa In article <35659883.11614033@news.nrcan.gc.ca>, MarcPatry,OttawaCanada says... > > >Danny, what did you pay for your buckfast? Did you buy nucs? I'm in >the Ottawa area (my three hives, in Quebec, survived the winter - >varroa is just appearing around here for the first time). Do you use >anything (eg. formic acid / apistan) with your Buckfast? > >Marc Patry >mpatry@nrcan.gc.ca > >On Fri, 22 May 1998 14:30:39 GMT, danny.bowers@sympatico.ca (Danny >Bowers) wrote: > >>Kent, >> >>I'm in Ontario, I got 4 colonies last year from another beekeeper. He >>told me that they had a better probability of withstanding varroa. >> >>I really like them. One of the four is a bit testy, but the other 3 >>were as docile as Italians. In fact, I rarely use smoke to look at >>them or pull a frame. >> >>One did not make the winter. We had an exceptionally mild winter, >>with many warm days. Bees spent time flying and looking for flowers >>when they should have stayed home. They ended uo running out of >>honeyjust before my first nectar sources were available. >> >>The yard where i have them is not a great producing area, so as >>expected, I did not get a big crop. >> >>I hope more people post responses to your request. I want to hear more >>about where they are from, what others think and if they are going to >>become a bit more popular. >> >>Danny >> >>Kent Stienburg wrote: >> >>> Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of >>> requeening. Give me your opinions please. >> >>> Thanks Kent >> >> > Article 12525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan Honey Bee Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:36:40 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <356A62F8.13D1559F@bigfoot.com> References: <01bd87b0$2ec68d40$c4f451ce@richard> <3568D5BC.CA590B6@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896164591 EDOBMGQ.FB036D018C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12525 Whats your experience with these bees? There web page says gentle and not so great honey producers as compaired to Italians, also says they are used mostley up north. Im in south Alabama. Thanks Larry Elroy Rogers wrote: > Try this website lots of good info here wether you buy from them or not, > I have bought Queens from Glen apiaries for 2 years with exellent > results. http://member.aol.com/queenb95/web/home.html > > Richard A. Trevino, Jr. wrote: > > > I would like to know more about this honey bee. Gentle? good honey > > producer? build up? > > Any web sites on this bee? Article 12526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Cossack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS:Sydney, Beehives Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 05:55:31 -0700 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <356ABBC3.59D3@remove.tig.com.au> Reply-To: samovar@remove.tig.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p46-nas03.syd.tig.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12526 I have three hives, brimming with bees and honey that must go! You can have them for AUD$100 each. It'll be sad to see them go! Delete the "remove" in my email to reply or call (02) 9649 6338 and ask for Walter. The hives are located in Sydney's suburbs. Article 12527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!seunet!news2.swip.net!news.rsv.se!not-for-mail From: Carl-Göran Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laziest Beekeeper Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:51:07 +0200 Organization: RSV DataService Lines: 5 Message-ID: <356A9E9B.96C@rsv.se> References: <6k751a$ak0$1@victoria.pe.net> Reply-To: cargus@rsv.se NNTP-Posting-Host: a73282.rsv.svskt.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [sv] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12527 Peter Amschel wrote: > My new topbar hive is doing fine hanging in a tree at waist level. Great. Can You describe it? mvh/C-G Article 12528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Supers (Deep and Shallow) with Foundation Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:02:14 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 19 Message-ID: <356AAF46.1585@nt.com> References: <3563af70.0@news.ic.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12528 Owners wrote: > > Due to a disability, I am unable to build new supers and install foundation. > Does anyone know of a source for deeps and shallows, with foundation > installed, which are ready to go, for purchase? > > I live in southern Michigan and would like a local source, if possible. Here in the UK a local beekeeper would almost certainly assemble the bits for at no charge, unless you are talking commercial quantities of course. Come on you beekeepers of southern Michigan get in touch with Mark and help him out. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To feed bees with fermented honey Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:29:35 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 19 Message-ID: <356AB5AE.7573@nt.com> References: <35625857.1023915@news.ctv.es> <3568b23b.194026@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12529 Steve Newport wrote: > > Sorry, did I miss something ? I thought fermented honey WAS mead ? > > (Serious question) Mead is honey mixed with water then fermented. Honey on its own, in general, won't ferment because the sugar content is too high. Honey which fermants, again in general, has either been extracted before the sugar content has been raised by the bees evaporating off the exess water or something else has caused the sugar content to be reduced e.g. partial crystalisation reduces the sugar content of the still liquid honey and which can then ferment -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I look for??? Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:44:34 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 16 Message-ID: <356AB932.4FF0@nt.com> References: <01bd8419$d44ff2a0$361767d1@home> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12530 Dennis Masson wrote: > > Myself and a friend purchased some existing hives a year ago, hence we are > in our second year of this hobby. We purchased an additional six hives to > go along with our original two in the fall and are becoming concerned as to > when we should be re-queening. Any information would be helpful along with > photos of what the different brood looks like i.e. queen vs worker & drone. > Also information on making queens would be interesting reading and > viewing. Get hold of the book 'Bees and Honey' by Ted Hooper. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another queen excluder question Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:17:22 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Message-ID: <356AF921.C19421BD@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6k7och$hfk@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: George Styer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12531 George Styer inquired: > I just put a QX in place. Is it OK to stagger a super above the QX so > the > field bees can get right to the super? Yes. It's the perfect solution to the "bee excluding" problem so many complain about.. though you shouldn't do it when there is no honey flow as it gives colonies too many entrances to defend against robbing. > Anyone ever heard of a Q taking a > walk up the outside of the hive to get around a QX? Never heard of it. yet. It seems unlikely. Kathy Article 12532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not using foundation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1998052618520000.OAA05992@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 May 1998 18:52:00 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk References: <3568b4f2.296753@news.pavilion.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12532 Steve Intresting problem this one and you don't say how long the foundation has been in the hive. Possible causes are: 1. We are just at the end of the first UK honey flow (Spring flow) and there might not be enough nectar coming in to draw the foundation out. Usually I put foundation into each hive (2 brood) each April. Oilseed rape is an excellent crop to do this with. 2. Stale foundation. Foundation should be Yelllloooowwww in colour and smell Yuuummmmmyyyy! 3. Wax coated plastic grott ... say no more! 4. I was once told the Americans (Sorry guys [Dadant]) mix other waxes into the foundation. Can't think of any more ... if none of the above apply then wait until the main flow in June ... or get the bees to read the same books as you and I do! Regards Nick Article 12533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <356B03C2.6B492273@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:02:42 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Patrick McGuire Subject: Re: Please help me get a phone number... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.232 X-Trace: 26 May 1998 19:02:55 GMT, 166.72.76.232 Lines: 18 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.232 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12533 The Walter T. Kelly company 3107 Elizabethtown Rd PO Box 240 Clarkson, KY 42726-0240 PH: (502) 242-2012 Fax: (502) 242-4801 For orders 1-800-233-2899 Please have Credit card and order properly made and ready Office Hours M-F 7:30 to noon and 1:00 to 4:30 CT Sat. 7:30 - Noon CT Patrick McGuire wrote: > > Does anyone out there know the phone number for the Walter Kelley Bee > Supply Company in Clarkson, KY. I am especially in the need for the FAX > number and the VOICE number. If anyone out there has the catalogue with > the number, please e-mail it to me at: > > patmcg@acadiacom.net Article 12534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sfairing@aol.com (SFairing) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another queen excluder question Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998052617551800.NAA26854@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 May 1998 17:55:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <356AF921.C19421BD@ne.mediaone.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12534 Has anyone tried using 8 frames for honey supers instead of 10. I have been told that you must have drawn comb to try this and that the spacing is vary important but that queens will not go up into a super with this spacing so no QX is required. Easy to de-cap for extracting too. Any comments? In HIS Service Robert (Scott) Fairing Article 12535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need science project ideas Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:05:02 -0500 Organization: Public Welfare Foundation Lines: 7 Message-ID: <356B125D.A8ABF1B8@publicwelfare.org> Reply-To: rdavis@publicwelfare.org NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.32.85.162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896205655 VRL06/YYI55A2CF20C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12535 Hi all, I have an eight year old friend who wants to do a school science fair project about bees. Does anyone have any good project ideas? It has to be simple, and it doesn't have to be "orignial research"! Thanks! Becky Article 12536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!shore!shell2.shore.net!not-for-mail From: thiett@shore.net (Tim Hiett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee keeper's insurance Date: 26 May 1998 15:17:09 -0400 Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell2.shore.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12536 Hi , I own a small orchard in Massachussetts where I allow a local beekeeper to place his hives. I've recently been concerned about liability claims since my orchard is in a tightly packed neighborhood. I'm wondering what options I may have for insurance coverage. Are there beekeeping associations that offer insurance for property owners or hive owners? Thanks, Tim Article 12537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:50:18 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.205.237 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 26 18:50:18 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; AOL 3.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ww-tc06 (Traffic-Server/1.1.1 [1]) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12537 Is it possible to know whether one may be affected by it before actually being stung. Regards Alan -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:46:47 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx5-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 26 3:47:08 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12538 Your doctor may be able to run a test for you but don't do this on your own. I react very badly to wasp stings and have stopped breathing on two different occasions. If it had not been for a hospital close by..... If you do react, keep an Epi-pen close by in case of emergencies. susan ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Is it possible to know whether one may be > affected by it before actually being stung. > > Regards Alan > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lupus Helped by Apitherapy Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:46:08 -0400 Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.a2.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <356a2bc8.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p40.a2.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12539 Does anyone have info on the above subject? I've have gone to some apitherapy sites, but nothing specifically addresses lupus being helped by apitherapy Article 12540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.delphi.com!news From: D Boller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Tue, 26 May 98 17:09:11 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.93.4.4 X-To: Benoit MARTIN Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12540 Benoit MARTIN writes: >Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? Why, you've really gone b0nkers Article 12541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:33:59 +0200 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12541 In article (Dans l'article) <356AB418.3F89@nt.com>, adrian.kyte@nt.com wrote (écrivait) : > Peter Amschel wrote: > snip > > wings. Also, there is an international color code so that a 1968 queen would > > be marked with blue, for example. > > Are you sure? The colour code is: > Year ending colour > 1 or 6 white > 2 or 7 yellow > 3 or 8 red > 4 or 9 green > 5 or 0 blue > e.g 1996 bees were marked white, 1998 bees will be marked red. > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? -- Benoit MARTIN B-5000 Namur (Belgium). Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 12542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: International Honey Exporters Organization Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:31:16 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6kfcb4$51$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.16.128.47 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 26 21:31:16 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12542 Hi all, Does anybody know where this organization is located? How can I get in touch with them? (fax, e-mail, snail mail) Thanks for your help. Martin Braunstein -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:35:47 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-91.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-91.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12543 D Boller wrote in message ... >Benoit MARTIN writes: > >>Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? > >Why, you've really gone b0nkers When you're ready, go beekeeping! Article 12544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Beekeeping Books Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:36:58 -0400 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.a2.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <356a37b1.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p40.a2.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12544 My family is interested in reading old books, even prior to 1900, on beekeeping. If you have information on such books, or even how to get them through inter-library loan, I'd appreciate knowing. Thanks for your help! Mark Article 12545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!brokaw.wa.com!not-for-mail From: David Wald Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning advice? Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:36:42 -0400 Organization: Black pine Development Lines: 9 Message-ID: <356B27DA.70F9@halcyon.com> Reply-To: blkpine@halcyon.com NNTP-Posting-Host: evt-lx101-ip36.nwnexus.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12545 First, thanks for any advice offered. I am interested in getting started in beekeeping, it seems like an interesting hobby. I think I would want to try the cheaper TBH. Is beekeeping practiced in the Pacific Northwest, Washington west of the cascades to be exact? If so what type(s) of bees are best adapted to this type of weather, and TBH's. Dave Article 12546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan cure or control Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:35:29 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 14 Message-ID: <356AA901.2A32@nt.com> References: <3569B0D0.6A@ultranet.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12546 Marc Andelman wrote: > Should last summer's treatment have cured them a little longer? > or is aspitan needed every year and does it only control, > not cure? Apistan controls rather than cures so it, or any other efective cotrol regime is needed EVERY year -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:22:48 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 19 Message-ID: <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12547 Peter Amschel wrote: snip > wings. Also, there is an international color code so that a 1968 queen would > be marked with blue, for example. Are you sure? The colour code is: Year ending colour 1 or 6 white 2 or 7 yellow 3 or 8 red 4 or 9 green 5 or 0 blue e.g 1996 bees were marked white, 1998 bees will be marked red. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: 27 May 1998 00:05:34 GMT Organization: IQuest Internet, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-002-20.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12548 I don't know about that..but I had never had a reaction before until a few weeks ago. I'm not completely convinced that I will have an allergic reaction again either - but I'm not going to annoy them intentionally anyway! ;) If you're concerned, you may just want to be sure that someone else is around or within shouting range when you work the bees. -- Julie in east central Indiana ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Is it possible to know whether one may be > affected by it before actually being stung. > > Regards Alan > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading > Article 12549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Subject: Used Equipment - Central NY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd890a$4f5e4ba0$f7b772ce@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 8 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:56:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: sd22.dreamscape.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:56:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12549 I am looking for used equipment. I live outside syracuse, ny. We are working towards setting up a honey house. We have an extractor but not much else. Also could use woodenware in good condition. E mail at dnorth@dreamscape.com or howletthillhoney@juno.com Thanks very much Article 12550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!news From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock/Epi-pen Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:56:29 -0500 Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6kfola$h1c$1@alpha.sky.net> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts-2-ip27.kc.sky.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12550 Susan K. Wehe wrote in message < >If you do react, keep an Epi-pen close by in case of emergencies. BTW; does everyone know that recent dispensaries of Epi-pen are being recalled because the mfg. did not fill the pens with enough epinephrine? They are insufficient to ward off anaphylactic shock. Contact you pharmacy, ASAP John Article 12551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:59:17 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <356B6565.3003554F@ix.netcom.com> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az5-22.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 26 8:02:54 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12551 I think there are two issues. The sting may cause a substantial reaction (each time I am dumb enough to get stung in the face because I chose not to weak protection) however, that reaction is not an alergy so much as a histamine reaction. My pulse rate rizes, but there is just major swelling, NOT an alergy. The second issue is the allergy, for which I do carry an anaplylaxis emergency kit. I have yet to suffer from the allergixc reaction, HOWEVER, I am told that one can go for years with (albeit serious) swelling from a sting and no allergic reaction, to, a SERIOUS SHOCK reaction for no good reason. In otherwise just because one is not allergic does not mean one will always be safe. Simon Article 12552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:24:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.113 Message-ID: <356b7aee.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12552 In article <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default>, "Julie R. Wise" wrote: >I don't know about that..but I had never had a reaction before until a few >weeks ago. I'm not completely convinced that I will have an allergic >reaction again either - but I'm not going to annoy them intentionally >anyway! ;) If you're concerned, you may just want to be sure that someone >else is around or within shouting range when you work the bees. > On a recent visit I asked my Dr. to script a EpiPen for me. He didn't even blink when I told him I kept bees, then he thought a moment and decided he had better add a refill to the precription. :) Local pharmacy has the new batch of them for about $33 ea. Shelf life of about 2 yr. Cheap insurance. . Article 12553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "corbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: 27 May 1998 05:23:04 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd8928$a1fc3700$300690d1@corbin> References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.144.6.48 X-Trace: 896246584 VR6037EOA0630D190C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12553 JAF wrote in article <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > > D Boller wrote in message ... > >Benoit MARTIN writes: > > > >>Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? > > > >Why, you've really gone b0nkers > > When you're ready, go beekeeping! Adding below the one I use to the list. What, you raise green bees! Corbee Article 12554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laziest Beekeeper Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 04:58:33 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6kg6di$d8u$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <6k751a$ak0$1@victoria.pe.net> <356A9E9B.96C@rsv.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp17.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12554 In article <356A9E9B.96C@rsv.se>, cargus@rsv.se wrote: >Peter Amschel wrote: >> My new topbar hive is doing fine hanging in a tree at waist level. > >Great. Can You describe it? It is a plywood box about 3 feet long and 2 feet wide. The lumber company cut the boards to size and then I put hem together with drywall screws and a layer of Elmer's glue. The bottom is on hinges so I can swing it open and examine the bees from below without disturbing them. The non-hinged side of the bottom has gate hooks to keep it closed and for easy opening. There are about 25 top bars lined up along the top. Each top bar has a groove down the middle that I cut in with my radial arm saw. Each groove has a triangle shaped piece of commercial beekeeper wax foundation pressed into it. There is one wire at each corner of the box stuck through holes in the box and looped up around the tree branch so the box hangs at waist level. The wire is plasticized so as to not damage the tree. I painted the box white on the outside with Kmart housepaint and I painted the top bars white also. When the white paint dried, I painted designs on 3 out of 4 sides with cherry red paint. On one side I tacked grape leaves and flowers and sprayed paint over them so their outlines show up nicely in the white. On the other side I made scallop designs by stretching masking tape from here to there and then spray painting in the middle then removing the masking tape. The third end has a pattern of Teutonic runes. I took top bar lumber and extended it out about 2 feet on each side on one end of the box and painted scallops on these boards. The boards look like the handles on a push cart. They will hold the top bars when I am inspecting the hive. Cool, eh? I'm sure the Mennonites would approve. Article 12555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Info and illustrations required. Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:24:17 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-92.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <356bf652.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-92.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12555 Illustrated life cycle info. (in cell, and in hive...) required for beekeeping web site. any diagrams, drawings, tables, etc., would be greatly appreciated (and credited on the site). e-mail to jaf@nildram(nospam).co.uk (cut (nospam)) Thank you. Article 12556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 27 May 1998 12:43:54 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd896c$82c713c0$88ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp06-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12556 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:24:10 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <356C220A.14A9@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> Reply-To: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: btr-la2-14.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 27 9:24:36 AM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12557 Peter Amschel wrote: > Also, there is an international color code so that a 1968 queen would > be marked with blue, for example. WOW!! I've never seen a 30 year old queen! ;-) Doug Article 12558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I look for??? Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:55:34 -0400 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6kh2g6$hd8$1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6jvjuc$pag$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12558 Mr. Griffes when you are makeing splits this way what % of the new queens will replace the old queen. We make splits useing the same method but always assumed the old queen was never replaced . We also requeen this way but have never read any research on this method Here in Florida we have three major honey flows and just do it two times. I'm sure you might know where I might find a report on this subject. I don't know why more beekeepers do not use this method, it is such a time saver for us. Thanks BUD Article 12559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: introducing new queen Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:58:21 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <356BB3A7.1AA46DC0@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12559 In article <356BB3A7.1AA46DC0@fcbl.net> Larry Williard writes: >From: Larry Williard >Subject: introducing new queen >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:33:11 -0500 >What is the prefered method of removing the old queen and introducing a >new queen to an established hive. > Thank you > Larry Put the old queen in a cage hanging between two brood frames. Wait 5 - 7 days remove cage with old queen and look for and destroy replacment queen cells. Place the new queen in cage same place as the old queen. To play safe, start with hard cover, if the worker bees are friendly to the queen next day replace har cover with candy. Knut Article 12560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <356C5126.4FA4F0FD@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:45:10 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bd8928$a1fc3700$300690d1@corbin> <356C123D.7CC0@nt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.51 X-Trace: 27 May 1998 18:45:20 GMT, 166.72.78.51 Lines: 44 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.78.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12560 I look at it with "0" or Blue first. Blue = 0-5 White = 1-6 Yellow = 2-7 Red = 3-8 Green = 4-9 So... Bees With Yellow Rears are Great Yellow can be the pollen or whatever. Adrian Kyte wrote: > > corbee wrote: > > > > JAF wrote in article > > <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > > > > > > D Boller wrote in message ... > > > >Benoit MARTIN writes: > > > > > > > >>Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? > > > > > > > >Why, you've really gone b0nkers > > > > > > When you're ready, go beekeeping! > > > > Adding below the one I use to the list. > > > > What, you raise green bees! > > > > Corbee > > > When You Raise Good Bees > H E E R L > I L D E U > T L E E > E O N > W > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. > All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. > work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com > home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <356C5232.4D76B6A3@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:49:39 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: rdavis@publicwelfare.org Subject: Re: Need science project ideas References: <356B125D.A8ABF1B8@publicwelfare.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.51 X-Trace: 27 May 1998 18:49:49 GMT, 166.72.78.51 Lines: 16 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.78.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12561 How about makeing a 2 or 3 frame observation hive. Keep one side covered and totally dark, the other side open to light all the time. Open the dark side only under red light conditions (red bulb from a photo supply store). Compare the brood pattern, honey and pollen storage for the lighted verses dark side. I don't know if it even matters.... its just a thought. Rebecca Davis wrote: > > Hi all, > I have an eight year old friend who wants to do a school science fair > project about bees. Does anyone have any good project ideas? It has to > be simple, and it > doesn't have to be "orignial research"! Thanks! > Becky Article 12562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: introducing new queen Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:33:11 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <356BB3A7.1AA46DC0@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896251042 EDOBMGQ.FB02DD018C usenet51.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12562 What is the prefered method of removing the old queen and introducing a new queen to an established hive. Thank you Larry Article 12563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <356C54FA.EC1072F7@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:01:30 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Owners Subject: Re: Old Beekeeping Books References: <356a37b1.0@news.ic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.51 X-Trace: 27 May 1998 19:01:41 GMT, 166.72.78.51 Lines: 31 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.78.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12563 I found a copy of "Queen Breeding for Amateurs" by C.P. Abbott. It was first published in 1947 and I have the 1951 edition. I don't know if it is worth anything. It was at Powell's bookstore in Portland,Or. Powell's is about the largest book store in the US if not the World. Their inventory covers multiple buildings with the main building one full city block and 2 or 3 stories. You can search there inventory on the Webb but i don't he the URL handy. Try a Yahoo search for Powell's. Also Dr. Wyatt A. Mangum who writes for the "American Bee Journal" has an extensive personnel beekeeping museum with many books. He spoke at the Georgia Bee Institute a few years back. He was in North Carolinia but I believe that he is now at the Mathematics Department of Mary Washington College. Email: ssumner@mwc.edu See the ABJ December 1997 for some of his work on Queen mating. Owners wrote: > > My family is interested in reading old books, even prior to 1900, on > beekeeping. If you have information on such books, or even how to get them > through inter-library loan, I'd appreciate knowing. > > Thanks for your help! > > Mark Article 12564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan Honey Bee Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998052716472700.MAA24857@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1998 16:47:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <356A62F8.13D1559F@bigfoot.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12564 We sell the New World Carnolian Project queen from Pat Heitkam and have had exceptional success. Over 200 packages this year and most of our clients from the first delivery (April 3) added a second deep in mid-April and added honey supers last week. These bees are very gentle (we were working a hive in a cage at the State Fair Grounds with no smoke and only a veil [clothed, not naked!]). Can't say enough about how please wer are with these queens. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 12565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:17:10 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 32 Message-ID: <356C1256.7616@nt.com> References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bd8928$a1fc3700$300690d1@corbin> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12565 corbee wrote: > > JAF wrote in article > <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > > > > D Boller wrote in message ... > > >Benoit MARTIN writes: > > > > > >>Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? > > > > > >Why, you've really gone b0nkers > > > > When you're ready, go beekeeping! > > Adding below the one I use to the list. > > What, you raise green bees! > > Corbee > When You Rear Good Bees H E E R L I L D E U T L E E E O N W -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!HEAnet!web3.tcd.ie!gen035.gen.tcd.ie!user From: atlloyd@tcd.ie (Andrew T. Lloyd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:17:09 +0000 Organization: INCBI, TCD, D2, Ireland. Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3569C9BA.303649CB@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gen035.gen.tcd.ie Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12566 In article <3569C9BA.303649CB@home.com>, Mario Guthrie wrote: > Hi, > I have some bees that just started to live in my attic via vent holes > in the house. Can anyone suggest a method to induce them to leave > without killing them? > We were told to use benzaldehyde, an organic solvent that smells rather nice to me but drives poor bees to distraction, to rid our attic of a herd of bees that had recently invaded our home. So as evening was falling, I got up a ladder and injected 75 ml of the stuff up the hole they were using for an entrance. The noise was tremendous and the bees were obviously NOT happy but it all quieted down in a few hours and they are still there months later. When we bought the house it was in quite ruinous condition and had 7 (*seven*) separate colonies in the roof space. We had a riotous time on four separate occasions getting local bee folk around to remove the bees, then plying them with whiskey until they were too drunk to drive. The benzaldehyde bees arrived two weeks after the builder had finally finished his contract - unfortunately leaving a small crack round one of the new windows. My understanding is that the method will not work on an established colony. Good luck, Andrew -- Andrew T. Lloyd Irish National Centre for BioInformatics INCBI atlloyd@acer.gen.tcd.ie http://acer.gen.tcd.ie Tel: (+353)-1-608-1969 EMBnet Ireland Fax: (+353)-679-8558 Article 12567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "HUTCHINGS John" <@wanadoo.fr> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan cure or control Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:34:50 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6khns8$qp4$3@platane.wanadoo.fr> References: <3569B0D0.6A@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mpl9-121.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12567 Apistan has been widely used in France for many years. There is now resistance developing to it and while it is still in use in the north, it has been replaced in the south of the country. Apistan must be used at least once a year in the autumn, and we would recommend (particularly in areas with mild winters) a follow up check in the spring using 0.5 ml of Amitraze on a greased board introduced into the bottom of the hive to look at the level of infestation at that time & a second apistan treatment if necessary. Apistan is about 98% effective against non resistant mites but re-infestation from the surrounding apiaries or wild colonies occurs rapidly through drifting etc. Apistan is not a cure, it is a control. For years it has been the best that we have had in Europe but through widespread misuse of its active component Fluvalinate resistance has developed in France Italy & elsewhere. John Hutchings. Bee Disease Officer, Department of the Gard, France. Hutchings Translation & Interpreting English French German Dutch Spanish Italian Commerce Science Medicine Technical 30120 Molières-Cavaillac, France. tel & fax : (+33) 04 67 81 80 96 e-mail : Hutchings.Traductions@wanadoo.fr http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hutchings.traductions/hutchings.traductions/ Article 12568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Runt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey labels Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:35:18 -0700 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 11 Message-ID: <356D8436.F195FAC4@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15-max33.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12568 I am wanting to print labels for my packed honey, that I can print using a colour inkjet printer. I have looked at the labels that come as standard templates with M'soft Publisher, but wonder if there is another way of doing these which might be more flexible. I am also interested in where I can find bee related clip-art that I could incorporate in my labels. Thanks Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 12569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where did the varroa mite come from? Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998052721334400.RAA27176@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1998 21:33:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12569 Hello! I have been surfing the net lately, and looking at the captions the different companies put on their raised queens that are for sale. Many of the queen strains are resistant to the tracheal mite, but none are resistant to the varroa. What I was wondering was, where did the varroa originate from? Are the bees at the location that the varroa mite is naturally native resistant to it? May be a silly question, I suppose! Dar Article 12570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: British Modified National Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:40:48 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6ki126$h1r$1@news1.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-24.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12570 Hello, I would like to build my own Modified National Beehive. Can anybody tell me where I can find the right measurements and eventually plans for this type of hive? Thanks a lot for your help guys...great discussion list. Bjorn Article 12571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: winter kill Date: 27 May 1998 21:47:15 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998052721471500.RAA24583@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12571 A friend of mine lost one of two vigorous hives (in the midwest) this winter. When opened, some bees had made about 15 clusters and died there on the comb. Evidence of mold and a small entrance made me think itwas moisture. The other less vigorous hive had a larger opening and survived well. We took out 3 full frames of good looking honey left by the dead bees. Is this a moisture problem or something else ? I found no evidence of disease. Chuck Article 12572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "D.Shinn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey labels Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:53:47 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <356C997B.731D@hotmail.com> References: <356D8436.F195FAC4@ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: dshinn@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-73-143.s143.tnt1.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 896309942 20634 207.172.73.143 (27 May 1998 22:59:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12572 I use a simple software package called Swift Label Publisher. It was purchased for $20 here (United States) in a combination software package with 4 other programs. It uses Avery label sizes as templates. With that package, you can design it any way you want it. I myself print the label on a 2" X 4" label sideways. You can put whatever wording or pictures and colors you want. Very easy program to use. Prints beautiful labels. D. (delete the REMOVETHIS from the return address to reply) Runt wrote: > > I am wanting to print labels for my packed honey, that I can print using > a colour inkjet printer. I have looked at the labels that come as > standard templates with M'soft Publisher, but wonder if there is another > way of doing these which might be more flexible. I am also interested in > where I can find bee related clip-art that I could incorporate in my > labels. > > Thanks > Frank > fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 12573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!fastnet!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.jersey.net!usrb16-1-12.jaguarsystems.com!user From: sjbeekep@jnlk.com (Samuel D. Garrett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can I feed water in an entrance feeder? Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:31:45 -0500 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving S. NJ (609)227-4428 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3569AA29.22CD@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usrb16-1-12.jaguarsystems.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12573 In article <3569AA29.22CD@usit.net>, Jeffrey Dugan wrote: > My bees have plenty of nectar now, so I've removed the entrance > feeder. But I've realized that the nearest reliable water source is > about 1/4 mile away, and I don't want the bees to be tempted by a > possibly contaminated stagnant water source that may be nearer. Is there > any reason not to feed them water in the entrance feeder as long as they > don't need syrup? > > Also, many thanks to all of you who responded to my question > about putting bees in a horse pasture. Your responses (all warning > against the idea) were just in time to allw me to avoid this mistake. > Now both bees and horse are happy. Yes you can use an entrance feeder this way. Depending on how many colonies you have (I have 27 this year). I find an old wheelbarrow filled with leaves and water to last a couple days. I also have a bird bath filled with straw and water wich works the same. There are three neighbors within viewing distance and they all have pools and none have complained yet(lets see what July brings:-) ) Article 12574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.jersey.net!usrb16-1-12.jaguarsystems.com!user From: sjbeekep@jnlk.com (Samuel D. Garrett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another queen excluder question Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:37:00 -0500 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving S. NJ (609)227-4428 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <356AF921.C19421BD@ne.mediaone.net> <1998052617551800.NAA26854@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usrb16-1-12.jaguarsystems.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12574 In article <1998052617551800.NAA26854@ladder03.news.aol.com>, sfairing@aol.com (SFairing) wrote: > Has anyone tried using 8 frames for honey supers instead of 10. I have been > told that you must have drawn comb to try this and that the spacing is vary > important but that queens will not go up into a super with this spacing so no > QX is required. Easy to de-cap for extracting too. > > Any comments? > > In HIS Service > > Robert (Scott) Fairing The most I've heard is 9 not 8 and the foundation must be drawn as 10 first. It has nothing to do with queens its just easier to uncap, you get more capping wax and a bit more honey. Article 12575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan cure or control Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 04:01:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 51 Message-ID: <6kinin$mlj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3569B0D0.6A@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.30 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 28 04:01:27 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12575 In article <3569B0D0.6A@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > > I treated for varroa with aspital last July. I am treating > again now, and notice dead varroa on a piece of white > paper on the hive bottom. > this is normal > Should last summer's treatment have cured them a little longer? > or is aspitan needed every year and does it only control, > not cure? control only - you want/need a control that exceeds the 95% mite mortality level - Apistan qualifies (until the fluvalinate resistant mites hit your area) generally once the V-mites hit an area hard (2-3 or more years) then you need carefully timed treatments - generally two per year - see my treatment timing tips article on my website http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > Should I fumigate my hive and start over? If so,how long > would it take, here in Massachusetts, > to re-contaminate my hive with mites? V-mites with no brood and no bees to live on can only live about 3-4 days (we tested it). In sealed abandoned brood some claims have been made that they can live about a month - I have not tested that theory so I can NOT tell you if it is accurate. Fumigating the hives would be pointless as you will get mites no matter what you do unless you live in a truly isolated place - now irradiating them with gamma rays that would be helpful because it would kill all the disease/viruses in the hive also and the bees would be healthier - BUT you gotta have permission, no honey in hive at all, and an irradiation station near enough to make it worthwhile. The extra honey you make in those extra healthy irradiated hives that first year will pay for the irradiation according to Dean Breaux - it won't do much more than pay for it though. hope that is helpful, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:16:45 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 32 Message-ID: <356C123D.7CC0@nt.com> References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bd8928$a1fc3700$300690d1@corbin> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12576 corbee wrote: > > JAF wrote in article > <356b2cbd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > > > > D Boller wrote in message ... > > >Benoit MARTIN writes: > > > > > >>Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? > > > > > >Why, you've really gone b0nkers > > > > When you're ready, go beekeeping! > > Adding below the one I use to the list. > > What, you raise green bees! > > Corbee > When You Raise Good Bees H E E R L I L D E U T L E E E O N W -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan Honey Bee Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:05:06 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <356B9EFD.B225D6B@starpoint.net> References: <01bd87b0$2ec68d40$c4f451ce@richard> <3568D5BC.CA590B6@starpoint.net> <356A62F8.13D1559F@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 896331943 21784 206.146.5.51 (28 May 1998 05:05:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1998 05:05:43 GMT To: Larry Williard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12577 Larry Williard wrote: > Whats your experience with these bees? There web page says gentle and not so > great honey producers as compaired to Italians, also says they are used > mostley up north. Im in south Alabama. > Thanks > Larry I have never purchased carniolan queens, I always used italians why mess with the best for honey producers. Also if any queen get superseded there is a better chance of getting a good queen and offspring since the majority of drone bees are italians. I have purchased cordovan italians queens from glenn apiaries and had good success, all the queens I introduced were accepted and started laying immediately. I only checked a couple of them for acceptance, I will know more next week. Anyway I think Glenn apiaries is a good queen breeder. Elroy Article 12578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <356CFD82.FB6FDF28@home.com> From: H Tait Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Record Keeping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 05:55:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs689223-a.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:55:47 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12578 Does anyone have an example of a record keeping system that would be applicable to keeping track of Hive and Queen performance on an individual basis? Has anyone tried BiData computer program and If so what is your assesment of it. Any other program suggestions appreciated Many Thanks hugh Article 12579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <356CFFF8.40B44245@home.com> From: H Tait Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Record Keeping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:02:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs689223-a.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:02:13 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12579 Does any one have an example they could send me of a record keeping system they use to assess and track performance levels of individual hives or queens. Has anyone tried BIDATA computer program if so whats there assesment of it. Any other computer programs out there. Any and all help appreciated hugh Article 12580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:55:18 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <356D6CC6.2582@gate.net> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl5-71.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12580 ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Is it possible to know whether one may be > affected by it before actually being stung. Seems to me like I remember them doing some sort of skin test. This should be done by a doctor though, not an amateur. Dave Article 12581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:07:23 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896378156 nnrp-08:23950 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12581 In article , Benoit MARTIN writes >Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? When (white) You (yellow) Requeen (red) Get the (green) Best (blue) But as I am red/green colour blind, mine are marked white. -- Tom S Article 12582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:57:00 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 45 Message-ID: <356D5107.2C033B33@Birkey.com> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: "Julie R. Wise" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12582 Julie R. Wise wrote: > I don't know about that..but I had never had a reaction before until a few > weeks ago. I'm not completely convinced that I will have an allergic > reaction again either - but I'm not going to annoy them intentionally > anyway! ;) If you're concerned, you may just want to be sure that someone > else is around or within shouting range when you work the bees. > > -- > Julie in > east central Indiana > > ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com wrote in article > <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > > Is it possible to know whether one may be > > affected by it before actually being stung. Please do take the precautionary route as no one knows what the next sting will produce after already having had a serious reaction. My 8 year old son had a severe reaction last year that required a trip to the hospital. I was given the Epi-pen and told the next sting will probably be worse than the last. Well he got stung on the face about two weeks ago and didn't even have swelling from it. It was no worse than a mosquito bite. Everybody thinks they have the in on allergic reactions from bee stings but I feel it's really a guess in the end. I'd rather play it safe when it comes to mine or my kids life and be prepared but at the same time not to over react and become terrified of possibilities. Regards -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA -------------------------------- BIRKEY.COM Web Design & Digital Illustration -------------------------------- 630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 12583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:18:55 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 43 Message-ID: <356D9C7F.A0D27892@ix.netcom.com> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default> <356D5107.2C033B33@Birkey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx6-03.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 28 12:19:14 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12583 I react to wasps but have a very mild reaction to bees. Apparently the venom is different. In any case, one never knows when you might walk under a disturbed wasp's nest or be stung multiple times by your bees and suddenly have that reaction that you never had before. We already know what a bad reaction can do.... when your throat closes it's a breath stopping experience... an Epi-pen is cheap insurance when we've talking about a life. I agree that a precautionary approach is the best one! susan Barry Birkey wrote: > Julie R. Wise wrote: > > > I don't know about that..but I had never had a reaction before until a few > > weeks ago. I'm not completely convinced that I will have an allergic > > reaction again either - but I'm not going to annoy them intentionally > > anyway! ;) If you're concerned, you may just want to be sure that someone > > else is around or within shouting range when you work the bees. > > > > -- > > Julie in > > east central Indiana > > > > ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com wrote in article > > <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > > > Is it possible to know whether one may be > > > affected by it before actually being stung. > > Please do take the precautionary route as no one knows what the next sting > will produce after already having had a serious reaction. My 8 year old son > had a severe reaction last year that required a trip to the hospital. I was > given the Epi-pen and told the next sting will probably be worse than the > last. Well he got stung on the face about two weeks ago and didn't even have > swelling from it. It was no worse than a mosquito bite. Everybody thinks > they have the in on allergic reactions from bee stings but I feel it's really > a guess in the end. I'd rather play it safe when it comes to mine or my kids > life and be prepared but at the same time not to over react and become > terrified of possibilities. Article 12584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock/Epi-pen Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:12:47 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <356D9B0F.AFBC2DE4@ix.netcom.com> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> <6kfola$h1c$1@alpha.sky.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx6-03.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 28 12:13:06 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12584 I appreciate your concern, and yes I checked mine out. They were recalled by lot numbers and mine are ok. There was a moment or two that I realized that I was depending on something that might not have worked when needed. A rather scary thought! Anyone else who has them should call a pharmacy to verify the lot numbers. susan John O'Brien wrote: > Susan K. Wehe wrote in message < > >If you do react, keep an Epi-pen close by in case of emergencies. > > BTW; does everyone know that recent dispensaries of Epi-pen > are being recalled because the mfg. did not fill the pens with > enough epinephrine? > > They are insufficient to ward off anaphylactic shock. Contact > you pharmacy, ASAP > > John Article 12585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.adam.ixe.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen <"maaijen[no-spam]"@xs4all.nl> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey labels Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:53:50 +0200 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Message-ID: <356DA4AE.676C@xs4all.nl> References: <356D8436.F195FAC4@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-modem884.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:54:14 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12585 Hello I use microsoft publisher to make the labels. I print them on the normal adress stickers.(Avery ) Verry simple. Remove [-nospam] from mine E-mail adress if you like to respond. Abe Maaijen E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl Beijerscheweg 73 Homepage http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ 2821 NE Stolwijk The Netherlands Article 12586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jars Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:00:58 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <356c7e6f.808786@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-54.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!worldfeed.gte.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peernews.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12586 Anyone suggest any good suppliers for honey jars, both economy and fancy ? Article 12587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998052821190900.RAA28861@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1998 21:19:09 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk References: <356c7e6f.808786@news.pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12587 At the Honey show at Stoneleigh this year I bought jars with lids at £19 per gross delivered. I'm sure that this was a show price so don't expect such a keen deal if you contact direct. The company concerned has branches around th UK: Bristol Bottle Group Unit 1 Ashmead Trading Estate Ashmead Road, Keynsham, Bristol BS18 1TZ Tel 011 44 117 986 9667 Fax 011 44 117 986 6335 Ask for the very lovely Angela Matthews and say that Nick suggested you call her! Well you can always wish ... (even Bee Keepers have libidos) regards Nick PS She has fancy ones (bottles). Article 12588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail From: "M. Tomelleri" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Edizioni L'Informatore Agrario Date: 28 May 1998 12:37:22 GMT Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd8a35$4708c9e0$6532a8c0@Marco.informatoreagrario.it> Reply-To: "M. Tomelleri" NNTP-Posting-Host: rub139.vr00.ne.interbusiness.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12588 Vi segnalo il sito internet delle Edizioni L'Informatore Agrario, casa editrice leader in Italia nel proprio settore: http://www.informatoreagrario.it Grazie per l'attenzione. Article 12589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where did the varroa mite come from? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 03:01:04 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6kl8dg$cd9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998052721334400.RAA27176@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 29 03:01:04 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12589 In article <1998052721334400.RAA27176@ladder01.news.aol.com>, heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) wrote: > > Hello! > > I have been surfing the net lately, and looking at the captions the different > companies put on their raised queens that are for sale. Many of the queen > strains are resistant to the tracheal mite, but none are resistant to the > varroa. What I was wondering was, where did the varroa originate from? Are > the bees at the location that the varroa mite is naturally native resistant to > it? May be a silly question, I suppose! > > Dar > Howdy, The only truly silly question is the one you fail to ask (with a few possible exceptions I reckon). There are a number of bee breeding programs underway throughout the world attempting to breed bees with an economic level of resistance to the V-mite. I coordinate one of them. I can emphatically tell you it ain't an easy undertaking and we could use more help. The V-mite came from Asia - it is a natural parasite of Apis cerana, a completely different species of honeybee that is also a hive bee. Under tropical conditions cerana is able to deal with the V-mite well as per is highly resistant but not immune to them. At times V-mites do kill cerana colonies but this is under abnormal conditions that favor the mites and disfavor the bees. Many factors that are known play into the resistance level of cerana including the fact that they have a more normal host-parasite relationship worked out with the V-mites. But since Apis mellifera is a better honey producer they were brought into the area of cerana and the V-mites gained a new host - with which the host- parasite relationship is NOT well worked out. It ain't good for parasites to kill off their host ya see. Take a look see at Varroa WWW Hub - one of a number of links on my BeeLinks page - just scroll down and click on the electron microscope image of a femal V-mite. Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan cure or control Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:44:09 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 39 Message-ID: <356DA269.5AF3174C@ne.mediaone.net> References: <3569B0D0.6A@ultranet.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Marc Andelman X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12590 Marc Andelman wrote: > I treated for varroa with aspital last July. I am treating > again now, and notice dead varroa on a piece of white > paper on the hive bottom. > Haven't looked at Jack's web page, but suspect that he (like we do) tests for varroa in the spring (that's late March-early May in Massachusetts, depending on the weather... this year it was early April) and treats only if mite levels are found to be above his threshhold (ours is 2 mites or more found in a honey (not ether) roll with a sample of 100-150 bees). We also test in late July-late August, and treat if we see only 1 mite. I'm really surprised you're treating for varroa right now as this is *prime* honey flow time all over the state... with locust, buckthorn, & dandelion right now in our area, and signs that the first of the lindens, clethra, honeysuckles, raspberry, ilex, etc. are going to bloom soon. I hope you don't have honey supers on while you're treating with apistan... and I'm sad that you didn't get your treatment handled earlier so that you could enjoy these flows! > Should last summer's treatment have cured them a little longer? > or is aspitan needed every year and does it only control, > not cure? > > Should I fumigate my hive and start over? If so,how long > would it take, here in Massachusetts, > to re-contaminate my hive with mites? > Jack answered the rest better than I could. BTW are you near or in Worcester County? They irradiate equipment every spring and have been amenable in the past to others participating in their program. Kathy Article 12591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!206.61.0.4!okra.negia.net!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where did the varroa mite come from? Date: 29 May 1998 11:24:04 GMT Organization: NorthEast Georgia Internet Access Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd8af4$97b95200$e4003dce@pettyben> References: <1998052721334400.RAA27176@ladder01.news.aol.com> <6kl8dg$cd9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp29.negia.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12591 check out this site to gain an appreciation for the rapid spread of the varroa throughout the world..... http://www.snre.umich.edu/~sarhaus/samm/samm2.gif > Article 12592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: Dadant Staff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not using foundation Date: 29 May 1998 08:31:54 EDT Organization: Dadant & Sons Inc Lines: 14 Message-ID: <356EB4D4.4746@dadant.com> References: <6kippk$63u$1@hihat.mwci.net> <1998052814313600.KAA21554@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dadant@dadant.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ts024d16.chi-il.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12592 Hello all, I would like to correct a statement made on this thread about Dadant Foundation. Dadant always uses 100% Beeswax in our foundation. We have never mixed other waxes into our foundation products. Regards, Nick Dadant -- Dadant & Sons Inc 51 South Second St Hamilton, IL 62341 Manufacturers and Suppliers of Beekeeping Equipment Publishers of American Bee Journal Manufacturers of Religious & Decorative Candles Phone 217-847-3324 Fax 217-847-3660 email Dadant@dadant.com Article 12593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <356EBC16.9E96D3B1@sympatico.ca> From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need info from Nova Scotia Beekeepers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:02:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:02:51 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12593 I am going to be moving to N.S. in the next few months, and would like to get info form local beekeeper on the area. sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca Article 12594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: British Modified National Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:32:40 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 20 Message-ID: <356EAAE8.3A1B@nt.com> References: <6ki126$h1r$1@news1.tele.dk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12594 Bjørn Andresen wrote: > > Hello, > > I would like to build my own Modified National Beehive. Can anybody tell me > where I can find the right measurements and eventually plans for this type > of hive? > > Thanks a lot for your help guys...great discussion list. > > Bjorn Contact the British Beekeeping Association, their web site is http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm and follow the 'Sales List' link. The plans are sold for 0.75 UK pounds -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey labels Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:44:07 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 25 Message-ID: <356EAD97.41BA@nt.com> References: <356D8436.F195FAC4@ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12595 Runt wrote: > > I am wanting to print labels for my packed honey, that I can print using > a colour inkjet printer. I have looked at the labels that come as > standard templates with M'soft Publisher, but wonder if there is another > way of doing these which might be more flexible. I am also interested in > where I can find bee related clip-art that I could incorporate in my > labels. > > Thanks > Frank > fbates@ihug.co.nz In the UK labels must be waterproof and many inkjet inks are water soluble so beware. I print a master copy then photocopy onto golden yellow paper, over print with a lot number (another UK requirement) then cut the labels out and glue to the jars. I have yet to find self adhesive labels in other than white, if you know of a UK supplier of coloured labels let me know. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Mike & Arlette" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mite? Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:30:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: vic-as-03b02.direct.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:30:06 PDT Organization: Canada Internet Direct, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12596 when i removed my entrance reducer, mixed with the small amount of debris under it was a few very small tannish insects crawling on the bottom board. could these be something other then mites that the bees brought home from some flower? or at least not the varoa mite. the other T. mite is not on our island yet and voroa is still uncomman. thanx mike Article 12597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not using foundation Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 05:33:08 -0500 Organization: MidWest Communications, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6kippk$63u$1@hihat.mwci.net> References: <3568b4f2.296753@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-224.dyersville.mwci.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsin.agis.net!agis!hihat.mwci.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12597 There may be a lack of nectar flow now. If this is brood foundation, he could feed syrup until the foundation is drawn. I use the "plastic grott" Plasticell, and my bees draw it out very well, when there's either a nectar flow or I'm feeding. Chris Article 12598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news.sdsc.edu!newshub.csu.net!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not using foundation Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998052814313600.KAA21554@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1998 14:31:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6kippk$63u$1@hihat.mwci.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12598 Dip the foundation in sugar syrup and put them back in this works for me. Also bring a frame from the box below into the center of the box of foundation (assuming you have same size). This gives them reason to go up. Article 12599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another queen excluder question Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:11:33 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 33 Message-ID: <356D9AC5.D0B862B4@ne.mediaone.net> References: <356AF921.C19421BD@ne.mediaone.net> <1998052617551800.NAA26854@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: SFairing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12599 SFairing wrote: > Has anyone tried using 8 frames for honey supers instead of 10. Yes, a few years back we tried using 8 frames instead of the 9 we usually use. Got uneven surfaces, PIA to uncap well. Got more bridge comb than expected, tho we spaced well with frames that had already been drawn deeper since we'd been running 9 frames. > I have been told that you must have drawn comb to try this Usually, otherwise you could have a real mess o comb. Sometimes we have gotten away with using 9 foundation, and strong honey flow is not the only piece of the answer, dunno exactly why... > and that the spacing is very > important but that queens will not go up into a super with this > spacing so no QX is required. Don't count on it, a Q in a strong colony looking for space will lay everywhere. QX recommended unless you can be in colonies very frequently to keep tabs. We have too many colonies and not enuf time. > Easy to de-cap for extracting too. > Actually, given uneven surfaces, was more difficult to uncap than supers with 9 frames. Also, it was easier to harvest more wax (w/it's honey) into the uncapping tank than we found it to be worth. Though if your goal is harvesting more wax... Kathy Article 12600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE LUNCH "The Golden Harvest" Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:36:53 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <356fc612.1475457@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.22 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.22 Lines: 48 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12600 *Pure unabashed commercial use of the Internet & the Bee-List* Just so you will not have to write me about it as I admit it up front. ANNOUNCING THE FIRST ADDITION BOOK "THE GOLDEN HARVEST" *Nothing to do with selling satellites technology to China* But it is "My NOTES on Collecting Pollen" At a exceptionally low cost to beekeepers and friends of only your time. For the first time you can read a "How To" Beekeeping book on the Internet. Sixteen years in the making, (I did it in 1980), not available in print, (I never published it) and it has been said by early reviewers "to be worth its cost". (What better recommendation could I make, its FREE!) As time and energy permits I am adding my long awaited book to the Internet at my site: http://beenet.com Some of it can be seen now and I should have the whole works on line by the 1st of June or sooner. NO FREE LUNCH! (Yeh you got to find it on my web pages, its on the Page Two, "click" on the Killer Bee Flower. MY LAWYER MADE ME DO IT! (He wants to get paid) Note...the book "THE GOLDEN HARVEST" is free for your own personal use. You are welcome to print it out, about 50 pages more or less, but it remains the copyrighted work of myself and no commercial use must be made of it without prior permission and reasonable compensation will be expected such as $1.00 per copy. (Who would want to do that anyway) Sorry the photos and drawings are not included in this edition but I will in the future be able to ship in the USA a reconditioned working pollen trap for $20.plus the UP charges to US addresses only because of laws. (For testing and use as a model to construct your own traps, a good project for next winter.) ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:49:13 +0100 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896457088 nnrp-07:7537 NO-IDENT pjbnet.demon.co.uk:158.152.115.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:26278 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12601 sci.agriculture.poultry:5454 sci.agriculture.fruit:1847 sci.agriculture.ratites:1267 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 12602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where did the varroa mite come from? Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998052916233100.MAA02163@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1998 16:23:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd8af4$97b95200$e4003dce@pettyben> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12602 My wife just peaked over my shoulder and said "Varroa mites come for the planet Varroa" - that would truly explain a lot! Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 12603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: drnkl@ibm.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Popolis Medical need Cuba Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:20:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6kmn8p$a8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.125 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 29 16:20:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12603 Medical literature on the use of propolis as an alternative tratment in stomatological desease is needed by doctor in Cuba. Dr. does nto have access to the internet, but can receive email at CENTRO@bariay.hlg.sld.cu Plese mail reprints and other information to Dr. Tania Parra Contreras >Calle 20 #14 entre primera y mariano de la torre >Rpto nuevo llano Holguin Cuba Spanish text of request follows: Yo estoy interesada en conocer los medicamentos mas actuales >que se estan usando en endodoncia estomatologica ya que estoy >estudiando la posibilidad de lograr el mismo efecto utilizando >propoleos. Si usted encuentra alguna informacion que se relacione >favor enviar. Aqui existen algunas dificultades con esos >medicamentos que no los tenemos son algo costosos y buscamos otra >alternativa.Aqui le envio mi direccion postal. >Dr. Tania Parra Contreras >Calle 20 #14 entre primera y mariano de la torre >Rpto nuevo llano Holguin Cuba > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock/epi-pens Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:37:08 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <356F62C4.3704@earthlink.net> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip88.islip8.ny.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12604 Susan K. Wehe wrote: > > Your doctor may be able to run a test for you but don't do this on your > own. I react very badly to wasp stings and have stopped breathing on two > different occasions. If it had not been for a hospital close by..... > If you do react, keep an Epi-pen close by in case of emergencies. > > susan > > ALWIDNES@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > Is it possible to know whether one may be > > affected by it before actually being stung. > > > > Regards Alan > > > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Some epi-pens have been recalled...make sure that the one you get is not in the lot number. Ask your pharmacist Dr. Lalo Article 12605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybees and El Nino Date: 29 May 1998 23:54:03 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6knhqr$rep@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.142 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12605 As I am sitting in my office looking outside at a dismal May day, I was pondering the effects of El Nino on my honeybees. It is raining today and about 30 - 35F cooler than normal this time of year in the central valley of California. The solstice is twentysomething days away but where is the weather to go with it. The normal environmental changes that signal "Spring is here" have been all out of whack. My recollection is: A mild but very wet winter; a warm, no make that hot middle of Feb, middle of Mar. In my bees I observed the following: Lots of pollen coming in in Jan; rapid buildup in Feb; six (that I witnessed) swarms from a single 2 deep hive between Feb 28 and Mar 14; last queen to emerge in this hive never mated because the weather went to he** after Mar 15; lots of honey already despite about 50% of May days raining; bees going to the fields in great #'s if the sun even hints at peeking through. Have you noticed anything peculiar with the bees that you think is influenced by El Nino? Have you had to alter your management practices as a result? What is your geographical location? I thought it might make for interesting discussion in the group, kind of a change from the varroa treatment debates;-) -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 12606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite? Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 03:53:51 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6knvsf$e2c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 30 03:53:51 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12606 In article , "Mike & Arlette" wrote: > > when i removed my entrance reducer, mixed with the small amount of debris > under it was a few very small tannish insects crawling on the bottom board. > could these be something other then mites that the bees brought home from > some flower? or at least not the varoa mite. the other T. mite is not on our > island yet and voroa is still uncomman. > thanx > mike > there are LOTS of other insects that can be found in/around honeybee colonies - some of them live on hive debris however you need to KNOW if you now have Varroa - so get busy looking up some photos and make a positive ID before it is too late here's hoping it ain't them blasted V-mites, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock/epi-pens References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> <356F62C4.3704@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 04:48:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.144.28 Message-ID: <356f9127.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12607 > >Some epi-pens have been recalled...make sure that the one you get is not >in the lot number. Ask your pharmacist > >Dr. Lalo > There have been mesages about lot numbers ...any one HAVE the lot number(s) that are of concern? Per the instruction on my 'pen it seems that little of the contents are required. A note for ex-mil folk...is this the same pen they told us was a nerve agent counteractive? Article 12608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!vastrim.demon.co.uk!RFOX From: "Richard A.Fox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 08:15:15 +0100 Organization: Fox Distribution: world Message-ID: <3VHJ5HADI7b1EwDt@vastrim.demon.co.uk> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896512594 nnrp-09:3480 NO-IDENT vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12608 >Your doctor may be able to run a test for you but don't do this on your >own. I react very badly to wasp stings and have stopped breathing on two >different occasions. If it had not been for a hospital close by..... >If you do react, keep an Epi-pen close by in case of emergencies. > > >susan > Last year I started getting massive swelling reactions to bee stings and went to the doctors to query about anaphylaxis. The consultant at the hospital did a blood test for Ig E, the antibody component that mediates the allergic response. From the levels of this they can state how allergic you are to the sting. There is a big apparently there is a big difference between having severe local reactions and anaphlaxis, and if you have severe local reactions you are only slightly more likely to suffer anaphylaxis than someone who does not react at all. The key indicators for anphylaxis are a systemic reaction to a sting; namely feeling ill. Symptoms (other than stopping breathing!) are nausea and vomiting, spontanoues defeacation, pallor, trembling, rashes, and diahorrea. Also no local swelling, ie.you are stung on the foot and you get facial swelling. If you start geting these sort of symptoms its time to go for desensitisation and always having an epi-pen on you. I personally only have local reactions, however I always make sure the epi-pen is about when I am handling bees. Richard -- Richard A.Fox Article 12609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Rhonda Haworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted - Beekeeping Equipment Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:01:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 6.lynchburg.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:01:57 EDT Organization: Lynchburg.net (lynchburg.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12609 I am located in central Virginia, USA (Rustburg area) and I am looking for a small, used (2-4 frame) extractor and an electric knife. I would also be interested in small, used SS tanks. Thanks, Rhonda Haworth rhonda@haworth.net Article 12610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee keeper's insurance Date: 30 May 1998 17:30:25 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1998053017302500.NAA07517@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12610 In article <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net>, thiett@shore.net (Tim Hiett) writes: >I own a small orchard in Massachussetts where I allow a local beekeeper >to place his hives. I've recently been concerned about liability claims >since my orchard is in a tightly packed neighborhood. I'm wondering >what options I may have for insurance coverage. Are there beekeeping >associations that offer insurance for property owners or hive owners? Try Roger Starks at Howalt-McDowell Insurance, Inc. 800-584-7054. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolan Honey Bee Date: 30 May 1998 17:30:26 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998053017302600.NAA11608@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <356A62F8.13D1559F@bigfoot.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12611 In article <356A62F8.13D1559F@bigfoot.com>, Larry Williard writes: >Whats your experience with these bees? There web page says gentle and not so >great honey producers as compaired to Italians, also says they are used >mostley up north. Im in south Alabama. They are great in northern locations. Very gentle, highly productive. Only drawback I can think of is that the dark queens are hard to spot. I've found that they cannot stand a hot summer here in the south. They'll dwindle down to nothing. They are originally a mountain bee, better adapted to a cooler climate. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:51:51 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6kp9qf$343$1@magnolia.pe.net> References: <#WmG#o7i9GA.246@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12612 I don't think you need to do anything but just stick them back in the hive, but what do I know? Some beekeepers might put a new sheet of Dadant foundation in there first. The bees are incredible housekeepers and a vigorous colony can quickly make an extracted frame shipshape. In article <#WmG#o7i9GA.246@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>, "Vicky Campbell" wrote: >After taking comb honey out of frames and scraping wax off, how should I >clean / sterilise frames so that I can safely re-use them. >Vicky > > Article 12613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock/epi-pens Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 02:07:01 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 46 Message-ID: <356FB015.4BC44F26@ix.netcom.com> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <356B2A36.71D3E3A@ix.netcom.com> <356F62C4.3704@earthlink.net> <356f9127.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-06.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 30 2:07:23 AM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12613 Per Reuters here's the list of lot numbers: -- 7SX208, 7SX209, 7SX216, 7SX217, 7SX194 -- 7RX204, 7RX223 -- 7SR247, 7SR265, 7SR286, 7SR292, 7SR293, 7SR317, 7SR318, 7SR321, 7SR342, 7SR355, 7SR356, 7SR358, 7SR370, 7SR371, 7SR378 -- 7JR242, 7JR243, 7JR289, 7JR290, 7JR323, 7JR361, 7JR362, 7JR374, 7JR375 -- 8SR004 -- 8SS077, 8SS078 -- 7C6214, 7C6279, 7C8277, 7C8381, 7F7221, 7F7262, 7F7380 -- 7C5238, 7C5376, 7F8391, 7F8220, 7F8263, 7CA382 Consumers who have products with one of these lot numbers should return them to place of purchase for a free replacement, or contact their healthcare provider. For more information on the recall, call 1-800-240-5788, or visit the company's web site at www.meridianmeds.com. Reut17:58 05-08-98 (08 May 1998 17:58 EDT) Some of the EpiEZpen (sp?) were also recalled for having spontaneously activated. Just check the end of your pen and see if the needle is visible, it's not supposed to be. Sorry, I don't have the lot numbers for these but they are not the regular Epi-pens. susan > There have been mesages about lot numbers ...any one HAVE the lot number(s) > that are of concern? > Per the instruction on my 'pen it seems that little of the contents are > required. Article 12614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Proceticve Clothing for Beekeepers Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:11:16 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6kpju1$3g$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-80.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12614 begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <356EAD97.41BA@nt.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12615 In article <356EAD97.41BA@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte writes: >In the UK labels must be waterproof and many inkjet inks are water >soluble so beware. A light coat of hair spray is a cheap and easy way to make them waterproof. We use Avery labels and Microsoft Publisher software, but many other programs will also work with Avery, including their own software. Avery label supplies are available at most office supply stores. If you want colored stock, Fasson has Crack 'n Peel, sticky paper with a wax paper backing. It's available in many colors and different surfaces. Some surfaces will work with ink jet printers, some won't, so you may want to try a sample. You can reach them at 800-443-9380. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: posters edukation Date: 30 May 1998 17:30:27 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1998053017302700.NAA07522@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6k6pca$4vnc$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12616 In article <6k6pca$4vnc$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>, "flemming rasmussen" writes: >Is ther anyone who now wher to buy >posters and other edukations material?.We are a new schol in Denmark, who >theats and reaseats in bees,we need some material from others contryes. We have a pollination exhibit that took a blue ribbon at the state fair. We'll be glad to print up an extra setof the graphics for anyone who wants ($10 US, plus postage). You'll need some kind of a backing, cardboard or posterboard to put it up. Also Janice has a educational packet for school kids (about 3rd to 7th grades) on pollination, $3 plus postage. The prices are about cost to us, so this is not a moneymaking deal. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames Date: 30 May 1998 19:03:29 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998053019032900.PAA20836@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6kp9qf$343$1@magnolia.pe.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12617 Free stuff and old equipment can be reused if you want to work at it. Re-cycling nasty old moth-ridden and possibly diseased frames can be accomplished by boiling them in a big pot of water( cold pack canning pot) untill all the wax and junk melts off. You can do one end , them turn it over and submerge the other end. BOILING water works very well for cleaning up this stuff. you may need to skim the scum of the water often. Best done outside on a camp stove. Newer frames should be reusable wthout all this work though. I eat a lot of comb honey, and often I use new frames for that. I put them in the center of the super, they get done first and removed before a lot of traffic discolors them. Article 12618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!sofia.eunet.bg!usenet From: Ivan Nikolov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey for sale! Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:48:45 -0700 Organization: EUnet Bulgaria News server Lines: 19 Message-ID: <357070AC.1D0BD0B2@mbox.digsys.bg> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovetch.eunet.bg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12618 I am from Bulgaria (Eastern Europe) and looking for customers of honey. Extraction 1997 year and comming 98. Honey is packed in 20kg. box from non-corrosive steel and in 1kg jar. Have all certificate for nature-green-ekology ! And is possibly make export from Bulgaria. Thanks, Ivan Nikolov Bulgaria town Lovetch 5500 Petar Ivantchev str.3 phone +359 68 21847 E-mail: innlov@mbox.digsys.bg Article 12619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Vicky Campbell" Subject: cleaning frames Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:00:17 +0100 Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <#WmG#o7i9GA.246@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naab.compuserve.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12619 After taking comb honey out of frames and scraping wax off, how should I clean / sterilise frames so that I can safely re-use them. Vicky Article 12620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Vicky Campbell" Subject: extracting honey Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:01:37 +0100 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter0!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naab.compuserve.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12620 We are just about to get our first frames of capped honey, is it possible to extract the honey by drining it, if so can someone suggerst a suitable vessel. I live in the UK. Vicky Article 12621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "Bob Gercak" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Books for the total beginner Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:09:33 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-227-74.s11.as1.dnb.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 896558683 27629 207.172.227.74 (30 May 1998 20:04:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12621 I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. Article 12622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Durk Ellison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Popolis Medical need Cuba Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:49:51 +0300 Organization: Scifi Communications International, http://www.sci.fi/, helpdesk@sci.fi, +358 3 2899111 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6kp67q$k65$1@tron.sci.fi> References: <6kmn8p$a8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cdlxxiii.hdyn.sci.fi X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!london-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!nntp.se.dataphone.net!news-feed.sto.telegate.se!nntp.inet.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12622 This information is available from the WEB site at < http://www.sci.fi/~apither > reprints are available from Dr Stefan Stangaciu, MD, LAc < apither@rtns.ro > I will forward this to him and also copy it to the Apitherapy list "APITHER" Hope this helps, Regards from: Durk Ellison Vantaa, Finland BeeNet : 240:346/300.8 e-mail : Durk.Ellison@beenet.pp.sci.fi Packet : oh2zas @ oh2rbt.#hki.fin.eu drnkl@ibm.net wrote in message <6kmn8p$a8t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >Medical literature on the use of propolis as an alternative tratment in >stomatological desease is needed by doctor in Cuba. > >Dr. does nto have access to the internet, but can receive email at >CENTRO@bariay.hlg.sld.cu > >Plese mail reprints and other information to >Dr. Tania Parra Contreras >>Calle 20 #14 entre primera y mariano de la torre >>Rpto nuevo llano Holguin Cuba > Article 12623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A new Forum, free of charge, for beekeeping jobs Date: 30 May 1998 07:44:59 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bd8b9e$3a7b61a0$6adafcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri3-106.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12623 The "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now offers you a new free international employment service for all beekeeping situations vacant or wanted at the following address: http:/www.beekeeping.com/work There are already a dozen advertisements and it's only the beginning. Make sure you pass on this information at meetings and in beekeeping journals. _________________________________________ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 04 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.com and http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiculture.com and http://www.apicultura.com and http://www.apiservices.com _________________________________________ Article 12624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping products for sale or wanted (new forum) Date: 30 May 1998 07:44:26 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 44 Message-ID: <01bd8b9e$267a8820$6adafcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri3-106.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12624 The "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now brings you a new free international service for all your wholesale needs at the following address: http://www.beekeeping.com/honey There are already a dozen advertisements and it's only the beginning. Don't hesitate to take advantage of this service to sell or buy honey or other hive products and to pass on the information at meetings and in beekeeping journals. The information required on the form is as follows: Name Email Origin Quality Quantity Price FOB Sample Analysis Remarks _________________________________________ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 04 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.com and http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiculture.com and http://www.apicultura.com and http://www.apiservices.com _________________________________________ Article 12625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Subject: H E L P ! ! ! Laying worker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd8c3f$6677d6c0$bbb772ce@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:54:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: sb26.dreamscape.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:54:06 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12625 I have a hive that overwintered and was stong in the first part of the spring. When i did the reversal, something must have happened to the queen and now i have a hive with many, many drones, some drone brood, and no new eggs that I can see. Can this be saved or is this a total loss that I should just close up and use equipment for another purpose. Any opinions would be a great help. Thanks ! ! ! ! dnorth@dreamscape.com Article 12626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: olymbos@aol.com (Olymbos) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan strips Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998053103015900.XAA05218@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1998 03:01:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12626 Does anyone have any information on the effect of it to honey, or any possible contamination? What kind of chemical is the active ingredient, and how is this chemical handled safely by humans? any concerns by any fellow Beekeepers?? Nicholas H. Article 12627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite? Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:20:55 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3570BE87.C0D169F2@valley.net> References: <6knvsf$e2c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12627 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > there are LOTS of other insects that can be found in/around honeybee colonies > - some of them live on hive debris > > however you need to KNOW if you now have Varroa - so get busy looking up some > photos and make a positive ID before it is too late > > here's hoping it ain't them blasted V-mites, > > Jack Griffes > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading greetings, jack. on a totally unrelated topic, just wanted to say thanks for the detailed description of your program that you posted in response to a question of mine a week or so ago. got knocked off-line for a few days and didn't get a chance to say thanks at the time. very enlightening. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite? Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:20:36 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3570BE74.4889A9D7@valley.net> References: <6knvsf$e2c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12628 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > there are LOTS of other insects that can be found in/around honeybee colonies > - some of them live on hive debris > > however you need to KNOW if you now have Varroa - so get busy looking up some > photos and make a positive ID before it is too late > > here's hoping it ain't them blasted V-mites, > > Jack Griffes > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading greetings, jack. on a totally unrelated topic, just wanted to say thanks for the detailed description of your program that you posted in response to a question of mine a week or so ago. got knocked off-line for a few days and didn't get a chance to say thanks at the time. very enlightening. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite? Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:21:26 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3570BEA6.D3B49A88@valley.net> References: <6knvsf$e2c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-162.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12629 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > there are LOTS of other insects that can be found in/around honeybee colonies > - some of them live on hive debris > > however you need to KNOW if you now have Varroa - so get busy looking up some > photos and make a positive ID before it is too late > > here's hoping it ain't them blasted V-mites, > > Jack Griffes > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading greetings, jack. on a totally unrelated topic, just wanted to say thanks for the detailed description of your program that you posted in response to a question of mine a week or so ago. got knocked off-line for a few days and didn't get a chance to say thanks at the time. very enlightening. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998053104513400.AAA21022@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1998 04:51:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <356C997B.731D@hotmail.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12630 I favor one quart mason jars Any ideas on where and how to go about purchasing them in quantity. How many on a skid ? I am in CT (USA) Article 12631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey for sale! Date: 31 May 1998 06:20:04 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 44 Message-ID: <01bd8c5b$86bba940$8ab6fcc1@toshiba> References: <357070AC.1D0BD0B2@mbox.digsys.bg> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri1-138.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12631 The "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now brings you a new free international service for all your wholesale needs at the following address: http://www.beekeeping.com/honey There are already a dozen advertisements and it's only the beginning. Don't hesitate to take advantage of this service to sell or buy honey or other hive products and to pass on the information at meetings and in beekeeping journals. The information required on the form is as follows: Name Email Origin Quality Quantity Price FOB Sample Analysis Remarks _________________________________________ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 04 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.com and http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiculture.com and http://www.apicultura.com and http://www.apiservices.com _________________________________________ Article 12632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms of bees Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:25:24 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35715A44.65E5@swbell.net> References: <01bd866a$14966d60$LocalHost@markusma> <6k75f0$alf$1@victoria.pe.net> <356AB418.3F89@nt.com> Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-41-189.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 896621286 23648 (None) 151.164.41.189 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) To: D Boller Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12632 D Boller wrote: > > Benoit MARTIN writes: > > >Do you know a ingenous system in order to memorize the color order ? > > Why, you've really gone b0nkers How about: While Young, Read Good Books. -or-When You're Ready, Give Blood. This was very difficult... It took all of 15 seconds. Later, Jim Owen Article 12633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Worms-- HELP!!! Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:44:44 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35716CDC.7122@swbell.net> Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-41-189.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 896626047 26931 (None) 151.164.41.189 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12633 I've got 6 hives, two are thick with bees, the other four are mid to lite populations. Of these four, two are thick with wax worms one has a few, and one is essentially clean. I'm perplexed. I'm sure the high population hives are taking care of the wax worms themselves. The low population hives are not consistent. Some have worms, some don't (with similar populations). Does anybody have any suggestions for wax worm control? I've read about using Bacillus Thuringensis (BT) for stored frames (but not on hives), and am wondering if the BT will hurt the bees. Also, has anyone tried any other "Natural" or "Biological" treatments, such as Diatomaceous Earth (DE)? Any research or anecdotal info appreciated. I'm in Texas, where the weather is HOT, (about 100 this time of year). Jim Owen Dallas Article 12634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees and El Nino Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:15:27 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3571902F.53BF@kingston.net> References: <6knhqr$rep@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 51-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12634 George Styer wrote: > > As I am sitting in my office looking outside at a dismal May day, I was > pondering the effects of El Nino on my honeybees. It is raining today and > about 30 - 35F cooler than normal this time of year in the central valley > of California. The solstice is twentysomething days away but where is the > weather to go with it. The normal environmental changes that signal "Spring > is here" have been all out of whack. > > My recollection is: > A mild but very wet winter; a warm, no make that hot middle of Feb, middle > of Mar. > > In my bees I observed the following: > Lots of pollen coming in in Jan; > rapid buildup in Feb; > six (that I witnessed) swarms from a single 2 deep hive between Feb 28 and > Mar 14; > last queen to emerge in this hive never mated because the weather went to > he** after Mar 15; > lots of honey already despite about 50% of May days raining; > bees going to the fields in great #'s if the sun even hints at peeking > through. > > Have you noticed anything peculiar with the bees that you think is > influenced by El Nino? Have you had to alter your management practices as a > result? What is your geographical location? > > I thought it might make for interesting discussion in the group, kind of a > change from the varroa treatment debates;-) > -- > Geo > Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Absolutly George, I'm located in South Eastern Ontario Canada. Our winter has been very mild. There have been swarms everywhere this spring. One went into a ladies car at a local shopping center!! I'll lay odds she wasn't impressed. The honey flow appears to be proceding normally. Its been a dry May but we are getting rain now. And why not, after four weeks of sun I just installed new queens in my hives!! Everything seems to be about two weeks ahead. Kent Stienburg Article 12635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylactic Shock Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:48:27 -0700 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3571A5FB.3DD5E702@imap.pitt.edu> References: <6kf2t9$gve$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default> <356b7aee.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jbddup-a-2.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) To: Mushroom Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12635 Take it from one who's been there, and don't take a chance. My dad and I kept bees when I was young, and I started again about 20 years ago. I had been stung innumerable times in my life. About ten years ago I got stung through my shirt just above the elbow. Within about an hour I had mild hives and my whole arm had swelled up to where I looked like un unbalanced weightlifter. Not all reactions are allergic -- you need to have an allergist do a skin test. My test was positive and I underwent two months of desensitization shots three times a week followed by five years of shots once a month. I was stung during that time and had no reaction. It used to be that once you started shots you never went off them, but now the protocol is that you are tested after five years. If the test is negative, as it was in my case, the shots are over. I've been stung a number of times since -- I sometimes work without gloves, with no reaction. My neighbor, who works the bees with me, almost wasn't as lucky. About a month after I was stung, he was stung by a bee in his yard. He had an almost immediate severe anaphylactic reaction. If his son, who is a paramedic, hadn't been home, he would be dead. Luckily, the ambulance was able to get to him within about ten minutes, just before his trachea swelled completely shut, and he got a shot of epinephrine. He was also desensitized -- same doctor as I had -- and is no longer allergic either. Get checked. The shots are a pain (although not painful), but the peace of mind that comes from knowing you'll never have another allergic reaction is worth it. TC Mushroom wrote: > > In article <01bd8903$7a0cac40$74f135ce@default>, "Julie R. Wise" wrote: > >I don't know about that..but I had never had a reaction before until a few > >weeks ago. I'm not completely convinced that I will have an allergic > >reaction again either - but I'm not going to annoy them intentionally > >anyway! ;) If you're concerned, you may just want to be sure that someone > >else is around or within shouting range when you work the bees. > > > > On a recent visit I asked my Dr. to script a EpiPen for me. He didn't even > blink when I told him I kept bees, then he thought a moment and decided he had > better add a refill to the precription. :) Local pharmacy has the new batch of > them for about $33 ea. Shelf life of about 2 yr. Cheap insurance. . Article 12636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Worms-- HELP!!! Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:44:59 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6krtph$68k$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <35716CDC.7122@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp01.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12636 Mike the Beekeeper, with 25 years beekeeping experience, as he inspects the frames will immediately use his hive tool to dig out and crush and discard any wax worms that he sees. This way the bees can get the upper hand over them with his help. Those hive tools are wonderful things, aren't they? They are as useful an all purpose tool as my unbreakable plastic comb. In article <3 >I'm perplexed. I'm sure the high population hives are taking care of >the wax worms themselves. The low population hives are not consistent. >Some have worms, some don't (with similar populations). > >Does anybody have any suggestions for wax worm control? Article 12637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:59:50 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6kpa9d$343$2@magnolia.pe.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12637 Gravity does an amazing job of extracting honey if the environs are warm enough. There is a little commercial rake available for raking open the caps on the honey cells but I'm sure you could find something equally suitable to open the caps. Then, of course, you would have to figure out something to rest the frames on while they were draining. They could drain into some kind of clean tub, maybe, a tub that your husband could then lift up and drain the accumulation through some kind of cloth filter like cheesecloth or the cloth the paint stores sell here in the USA for filtering lumps out of paint. In article , "Vicky Campbell" wrote: >We are just about to get our first frames of capped honey, is it possible to >extract the honey by drining it, if so can someone suggerst a suitable >vessel. I live in the UK. >Vicky > > Article 12638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackmann Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting Therapy Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:43:34 -0700 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3571CF06.1FC0@fidnet.com> References: <6kbqd3$bgm$2@alpha.sky.net> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-132.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) To: John O'Brien Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12638 Others are having the same problem. I am only starting raising bees; so I haven't many ideas. Have you looked at www.beesting.com and www.gilbertsville.com/bees/ ? If the second one is an erroneous address, drop the "s" off bees. The author of the site is name Barry and his links may also help. Article 12639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.co.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives in trees? Message-ID: <896649459@amigabee.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:05:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 37f449c3 REPLY: 240:44/0 86911693 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(312) Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12639 Hello Roger, Have the badgers actually had a go at your hives or does anyone know of Badgers digging into hives in the UK. I have kept bees for 37 years, there are Badger setts 1/2 from my smallholding, the badgers have regular runs across my land yet have never ever touched a hive. They regularly dig out wasp nests in the late summer on the holding. My hives are a foot off the ground. You could make a platform on scaffolding with a lift up stairway, I doubt the cleverest badger can climb 2" steel tubes. Best of lick Peter Hutton from the Garden of England. peter.hutton@btinternet.com --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 12640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Worms-- HELP!!! Date: 31 May 1998 22:33:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6kslr8$ee8@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35716CDC.7122@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.186 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12640 Check for a good pattern of brood. Wax moth larvae getting a foothold in a hive usually indicates that something is wrong. Other than that, inspect frequently and pick them out by hand and cull out any severely damaged comb. From my first hand experience, you and the bees can regain the upper hand. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Jim Owen wrote in article <35716CDC.7122@swbell.net>... > I've got 6 hives, two are thick with bees, the other four are mid to > lite populations. Of these four, two are thick with wax worms one has a > few, and one is essentially clean. > > I'm perplexed. I'm sure the high population hives are taking care of > the wax worms themselves. The low population hives are not consistent. > Some have worms, some don't (with similar populations). > > Does anybody have any suggestions for wax worm control? I've read about > using Bacillus Thuringensis (BT) for stored frames (but not on hives), > and am wondering if the BT will hurt the bees. Also, has anyone tried > any other "Natural" or "Biological" treatments, such as Diatomaceous > Earth (DE)? > > Any research or anecdotal info appreciated. I'm in Texas, where the > weather is HOT, (about 100 this time of year). > > Jim Owen > Dallas >