From pollinator@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 12:00:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16928 From: (RAG) >The condition of the old hive is such that it would result in >total destruction of the colony were I to try to remove the frames and >just transfer the bees. If/when I determine the queen is working in >the top unit, is removing the lower unit and base to a nearby location >to salvage the honey and workers (who I hope will return to the >location of the new hive). My understanding is that the adult workers >will return to the old location, then 'rob' the contents of the >trashed hive. No? Suggestions? There are a lot of things to be said about robbing, most of them not good. You don't know how many other bee colonies are in the area. It spreads disease and mites. And it can lead to a lot of stinging, and make you a pariah in the neighborhood. Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a queen excluder between them. If you still see eggs three or four days later, you have the queen where you want her. You can wait until all the brood hatches out of the old box, then you can salvage any honey and wax you wish. But don't encourage robbing. After many years as a beekeeper, I have almost an abhorrance of robbing. Too many problems.... About the only time I'd ever consider it would be a situation like the beekeeper who spilled a 5 gallon pail of honey in the back seat of his car. He took the car to his beeyard, opened the doors and left it for a couple days. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From michaelc@glenrowan.demon.co.uk Sat May 8 06:42:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!glenrowan.demon.co.uk!michaelc From: michael charters Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:58:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925826370 nnrp-02:19303 NO-IDENT glenrowan.demon.co.uk:212.228.123.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <$8u7nUg5A3rWWiKXfM44wxhb1X> Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16929 BALD MEN AND BEES Yesterday I was thirty feet up a ladder up a tree capturing a swarm. I am not bald - simply receding. I was wearing my usual very effective Sheriff bee suit. And something happened to me again. And again. And again. I just wonder if it has ever happened to anyone else. Simply, where the fabric of the veil sits on my forehead, when I am sweating it soaks and sticks. It is just here that the bees settle and can easily sting through. I end up like a traffic light - with a row of stings across my head. OK. So I should wear a beret under my bee suit. But on a hot summer day that is not too comfortable. Has anyone else encountered this? Michael Charters In article <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose writes >Pollinator wrote: > >> From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >> >> > >> >The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE >> >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there >> >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. >> >> Eyeball? >> > >half right. >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > -- michael charters From pauloramoa@mail.telepac.pt Sat May 8 06:42:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!brown.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: "Paulo Ramoa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agricultural machinery / máquinas agricolas Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:38:30 +0100 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7gmplr$3j5$2@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.167.77 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16930 www.agrovil.pt From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lets Take a Test Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 13:00:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16931 In an effort to increase learning and to refresh some of us who should know I'm gonna try to post a ? every few days. 1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when it was dark ! Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go forth.... What would you do ??? Why ?? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cde049@airmail.net Sat May 8 06:42:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BAGGIE FEEDERS Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:37:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <89C466C2E73DFEFC.62A446F2E9F24F57.053A0492EEE964F9@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7gn0p7$g24@library2.airnews.net> References: <372DE445.CF8CA3BD@DOR.State.SC.US> <7gl0s5$35v$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <372e33e3.51983858@news.earthlink.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 4 09:38:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^K.!1k-XhJ1F5Q (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16932 >They are so easy to make, I am surprised anyone is trying to sell >them. And after seeing one I'll never buy one again. Same with Hive boxes, bottom boards, and top boards. But fortunately they only cost me $3.00 each. Cliff From lithar@midwest.net Sat May 8 06:42:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees sign Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:41:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37262F06.382E@midwest.net> References: <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com> <19990427152815.00460.00000037@ngol02.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:29:45 GMT X-Trace: 925248585.777.39 JF3D7GB4M0C57D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16933 BobPursley wrote: > > In article <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > (Jajwuth) writes: > > > > >Is it advisable to post signs at the front of your property warning people > >of bees if you have bee hives. This would be in case someone wanders > >on to your property. > > > > I cant conceive of posting signs telling people where my hives are. Just > asking for kids to dare each other to come in and kick the hives over, or > worse. > > Bob Not only does this seem an invitation to vandalism, but it seems akin to 'Beware Of Dog' signs - an admission you are knowingly creating and responsible for a dangerous situation. Personally I'd prefer 'Beware Of Owner - Armed and Unstable'. People who "wander" onto other's property without permission are trespassers and a 'No Trespassing' sign should suffice, possibly in conjunction with a warning shot across the bow. AL From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:42:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? - advice on removal vs. pesticide Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:05:42 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 72 Message-ID: <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co69-47.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 11:58:50 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16934 Hello Darryl and everyone with feral bee interest. If you don't intend on leaving the bees to live in the house with you, it's best to call a beekeeper - the sooner the better. Once they've pulled in nectar and built up wax, you may have a problem with any kind of removal at a later date. To give you an idea on how fast they can build to full size, last year I picked out a swarm exactly 10 days from their entry into a shed (by the date & photos of the home-owners). By the time of their removal, they had approximately 60 lbs of wax & honey stored (measured by the buckets I removed). Call a beekeeper - the sooner the better. If they won't do the removal, ask them if they know where you can find one or where you can locate other beekeepers. If you have a health-food store nearby that will probably give you a start. Also, unless you have 'reasonable' access to the interior of your roof, expect for the beekeeper to have to remove part of your siding or soffet. On the same token, don't expect them to replace, paint or repair the damaged wood. Removing feral hives from houses is hard work and those (few) that do it for free are doing favors as the bees aren't worth much ($20-$40 US - with NEW queen here, or free with a swarm) but the idea is to save as many feral populations as we can - with the thought that the bees might have a resistance to a mite we're having 'trouble' with. Most beekeeers whom do this for a living charge $200 - $800 for removal (with repair). For those that have bee troubles and DO have the option of killing the bees by pesticide, the only time I would recommend such action is when the bees can't be effectively removed and when they've just shown up (i.e. within 3-6 days). Beyond which, you'll just be creating a mess. When the weather turns warmer, the wax will melt without the care of bees causing it to drip into your walls, ceiling, etc - and the stench of dead brood isn't something you'll enjoy. As well, the dead hive will soon be joined by another wild hive which has sniffed out the melting wax & honey....and those bees will probably turn sick from the old pesticide. If a swarm of bees decides you'll make a good room-mate, it's best just to have them removed, rebuild the siding and be SURE to fill the empty space with insulation (bees need space to make a home) and attempt to caulk the cracks and openings for 3-8 meters around with screen fitted to your roof vents. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Tue, 4 May 1999 00:58:59 +0100, "Darryl" wrote: >advice on wild bees. I am not a beekeeper as such, but I have recently >noticed that some wild bees have made a nest in the top of my bungalow under >the roof tiles. Is this any cause for concern? At present they don't bother >Are they best left alone or shall I commission a beekeeper to remove them >while the nest is relatively small? Can someone please give me some advice >on what to do for the best I would be extremely grateful. >regards >Darryl >email: darrylc@bigwig.net From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Sat May 8 06:42:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Packaged Hive Problem Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:27:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <925838913.037.55@news.remarQ.com> References: <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:28:33 GMT X-Trace: 925838913.037.55 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16935 I had something similar happen to me. I have two new hives. I deduced there was no queen in one hive because I could not locate the queen, there were no eggs/larvae, they were beginning to create a queen cell, and the hive was buzzing distinctly different from the hive with a queen. I put a frame of partially drawn comb and eggs in the queenless hive as Pollinator has suggested you do. Then I got to thinking and asking around and several people told me it is sometimes difficult for a new package to raise a queen. The colony is not strong and growing without an egg layer. I didn't want to be 3 weeks behind to start out and still have the chance that a queen would not make back from a mating flight...so I forked out the $9.00 for a new queen. She is doing wonderfully. SeasholtzM wrote in message <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com>... >Hi All > > Been readin and learnin here for awhile now i am in ned of some help, From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 May 1999 18:04:07 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16936 I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. Al From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:54:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372D0D5D.513F@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504145445.20744.00002128@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16937 too complicated, kill the old one, wait a day and then introduce the new one! From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I wire frames ? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:57:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990504145754.20744.00002134@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16938 make an x with also a top and bottomhorizontal wirel,then tighten systematically for the best strength! From not@for.me Sat May 8 06:42:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!paper.toledolink.com!not-for-mail From: "none" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Construction Plans Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:11:39 -0400 Organization: Toledo Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pri147.toledolink.com X-Trace: paper.toledolink.com 925835223 7738 205.133.30.147 (4 May 1999 16:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@toledolink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 16:27:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16939 I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it is. Thanks. From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:53:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990504145330.20744.00002127@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16940 get them out now, recently removed 300 pound hive that looked small but the walls of this historic autitorium were buldging from the weight! From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:42:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.31 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925850302 216.100.28.31 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:38:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:38:22 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:42:16 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16941 i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from keeping bees in top bar hives. That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony this year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike says I should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how he selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that Bee Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper and Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with the rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob is very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little beekeeping inventions. In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > Al > From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:56:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> Message-ID: <19990504145623.20744.00002131@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16942 two strong splits from one strong hive is common otherwise the splits are weak. I just did 40 with ease. From bryan@honeynz.co.nz Sat May 8 06:42:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bryan Clements" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:12:00 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 925845162 12597 203.96.192.9 (4 May 1999 19:12:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 19:12:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16943 We are New Zealand's largest produces of the rare Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris). We traditionally export this crop to Europe. We know little about what happens to our product. Is there anybody that can enlighten us to its traditional market and uses. Regards Michael Sanderson Waikato Honey Products Ltd. 8 Short St. Kihi-Kihi New Zealand Ph: 0064-7-8714709 Fax: 0064-7-8718885 Email: whp@honeynz.co.nz From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat May 8 06:42:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372F6091.747B16C2@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:03:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.74.126 X-Trace: news2.atl 925851465 209.214.74.126 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:57:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:57:45 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16944 I have 4 top bar hives, and think it is a great way to start, especially if you size it so that you can use some standard equipment, like slipping a couple of frames of brood in if you need. I started mine with swarms and am replacing the queens. One weaker swarm I am supplementing with a nuc from one of my friends in the local association. Drop me a line if I can help. Would be glad to give you my views. David Lynes Jajwuth wrote: > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > Al From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sat May 8 06:42:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey co-op uk Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:51 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.22 X-Trace: 925854937 1NNUCNF1G8916C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16945 Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the Midlands+ACEAIQ-). Last season was my best so far. I'd be grateful for a contact, telephone number or address. Thanks Chris From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:42:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can someone give me some advice on wild bees? - advice on removal vs. pesticide Message-ID: References: <7gldks$lr1$1@news1.cableinet.co.uk> <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.31 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925849621 216.100.28.31 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:27:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:27:01 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:54 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16946 CARAMBA! | | | | | | \/ In article <37301ce4.94839114@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com says... > To give you an idea on how fast they can build to full size, last year > I picked out a swarm exactly 10 days from their entry into a shed (by > the date & photos of the home-owners). By the time of their removal, > they had approximately 60 lbs of wax & honey stored (measured by the > buckets I removed). > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:42:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:55:09 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> To: John Drain X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 May 1999 11:55:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun May 2 05:05:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust175.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16947 John Drain wrote: > > How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out > of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at > the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the > end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, > put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All > feed back appreciated. > > Regards. > > John Drain. > jondrain@southnet.co.nz I think that one needs at least 4 frames of brood to start a new hive(maybe three) and if it is done one month before the honey flow a surplus can be expected. One must however fill the hive with pulled comb because the bees will not pull it without a honey flow. My experience also tells me that feeding sugar water increases brood production but not necessarily comb building. I have started new hives with a two frame observation hive but they are very slow to take off. I normally add a frame or two of brood to help them along. Don From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Sat May 8 06:42:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372F613D.55431B93@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Plans References: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:06:06 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.74.126 X-Trace: news2.atl 925851637 209.214.74.126 (Tue, 04 May 1999 17:00:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:00:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16948 Try Barry Birkey's site: www.birkey.com David Lynes none wrote: > I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on > it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it > is. Thanks. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:42:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-73.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TEST-- DISREGARD Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:46:03 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.49 X-Server-Date: 4 May 1999 15:47:37 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16949 THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST THIS IS ONLY A TEST -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:42:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-109.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:37:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.6d X-Server-Date: 4 May 1999 16:39:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16950 In article <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: THIS IS A GREAT IDEA! > > Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go > forth.... > > What would you do ??? > Why ?? We have to keep the bees from getting to the pernicious chemical. We have to do something quickly. If I had the material, I'd put some kind of cheesecloth over the hive and secure it to the ground with some goodly size stones. This will allow the bees to breath, and even exit the hive, but will keep them from going very far. Alternatively, I'd minimize the entrance to the hive using the entrance reducer that came with the kit, and/or any other wooden material I could find. Yes, no, mebbe? O yeah... Lastly... I'd kiss my wife and thank her for thinking of me. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jps@ticnet.com Sat May 8 06:42:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Plans Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:08:46 -0500 Organization: DFW R/C Net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2D1132434F9CFD4E.351ACFBC34AC5A14.222CBA1730165552@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7gnuqm$1u8@library.airnews.net> References: <7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 4 18:11:19 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !XHe,4F\JWokJR] (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16951 http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Jim Sharp http://www.ticnet.com/dfw-rc-net none wrote in message news:7gn74n$7hq$1@paper.toledolink.com... > I remember seeing a beekeeping site with several different building plans on > it, including Langstroth hives. could someone please remind me where it > is. Thanks. > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:42:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 23:44:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gnh7n$ir3@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990504194422.11111.00002580@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16952 >. Cut your strips of foundation in half lengthwise until you have enough >strips for all your frames. The partial strips won't extend down to the >bottom of the frame but the bees will finish that work for you. And, >although the comb won't be as strong as using full sheets of wired >foundation at first, you won't be extracting from them anyway. In time >they'll be just about as strong as fully wired frames and work just as good. >The only drawback is the bees will sometimes build drone-size cells in the >botto some of the old timers,, used to just fill the top crack with melted wax, still works great in a pinch !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat May 8 06:43:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.231!rockie.attcanada.net!attcanada!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:57:54 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925862381 24.93.149.35 (Tue, 04 May 1999 16:59:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:59:41 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16953 Seeing as I'm up at least two hours before my wife, this is not likely to happen to me. I'll give it a shot, though. The bees aren't interested in my cabbage unless I allow them to bolt in which case I would probably till them in rather than spray or dust. Sevin breaks down rather quickly when wet, so I think I'd start hosing down the beans more to protect the bumblebees who appear to be the major bean pollinator in my bean patch. Once in a while I might see a honeybee in my beans, but usually they're off grazing on pasture that is easier to reach, for the blossoms are fairly deep. After that, maybe I'd bring in a few bees and scare the wife. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heather Honey (Calluna Vulgaris) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:02:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7go206$pe0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925862726 26048 62.136.20.143 (5 May 1999 00:05:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:05:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16954 Not so rare in the UK. We either eat it (!) or export it to Germany. Bryan Clements wrote in message <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz>... >We are New Zealand's largest produces of the rare Heather Honey (Calluna >Vulgaris). We traditionally export this crop to Europe. We know little about >what happens to our product. Is there anybody that can enlighten us to its >traditional market and uses. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:58:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7go203$pe0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925862723 26048 62.136.20.143 (5 May 1999 00:05:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:05:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16955 Stop eating cabbage and beans for a while? Seriously, get out the hosepipe. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com>... >1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am >She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and >beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when >it was dark ! > From gothoney@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 18:59:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990419205322.25712.00002729@ng30.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990504145952.20744.00002137@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16956 use cream or crystalized honey From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-119.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:16:29 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.77 X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 01:18:06 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16957 In article , "rick" wrote: > After that, maybe I'd bring in a few bees and scare the wife. ...certainly a more ENTERTAINING thought than my suggestion! LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.shore.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-119.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:20:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.77 X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 01:22:17 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16958 In article <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com>, queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) wrote: > It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small > hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen > cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a > hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using > this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. FWIW... I put a bit of honey in the freezer for a few hours before I hived the one queen I've had. The honey wasn't completely solid, but really, really thick such that it wouldn't drip when the queen cage was turned upside down. I wonder if doing this would have allowed the workers to free the queen too quickly? What, if any, is the danger of her being freed sooner rather than later? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:24:06 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7gnh7n$ir3@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <7ghrsa$dki$5@news1.Radix.Net> <19990502230058.07802.00001498@ng-cs1.aol.com> <372F359F.EC5F712A@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 2:19:19 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16959 Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <372F359F.EC5F712A@worldnet.att.net>... >Last month, I installed thirty packages without having sufficient >foundation. I put 6 frames with foundation in each hive, along with a >division board feeder and three empty frames. Later, while putting in >more foundation, I was forced to cut away much natural comb that had >been built between frames. In two hives, this comb came away in large >sections, perhaps 8" by 10". As there was quite a bit of honey in the >comb, I placed it on top of the inner covers inside an empty deep for >the bees to scavenge. There were also a good number of eggs and larvae >in this cut comb, and, consequently, the bees have turned the upper body >into second brood nests. Assuming that the queens have remained below on >the frames, I'm just leaving this comb in place until all hatching is >complete. Next time you find yourself in this position try one of the following two tricks... 1. Cut your strips of foundation in half lengthwise until you have enough strips for all your frames. The partial strips won't extend down to the bottom of the frame but the bees will finish that work for you. And, although the comb won't be as strong as using full sheets of wired foundation at first, you won't be extracting from them anyway. In time they'll be just about as strong as fully wired frames and work just as good. The only drawback is the bees will sometimes build drone-size cells in the bottom corners more easily than if they were given full sheets of worker-size cell foundation. Foundation strips even as narrow as an inch or two will work in a pinch. 2. Make true division boards from plywood that hang in the super just like a frame, but extend flush from the top of the super to flush with the bottom board (and fit flush with the inside ends of the super). Put one of these in the middle of your super and you effectively create a smaller "nuc" hive in one full-size super. That way you won't have to use a full ten frames of foundation to start the colony. Just remember to keep proper bee-space between the two outside frames and the super/division board surfaces. After you've ordered more foundation and have the rest of the frames ready to go in the hive, the board can be removed and the remaining frames added. --David Scribner From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:29:56 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.174 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 925864141 19911 12.72.44.174 (5 May 1999 00:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 00:29:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16960 I believe this is the 2nd reference (maybe the same person) to a Q with a yellow mark from a package. Are package suppliers really shipping 1997 stock? This could be particularly problematic for a beginner getting a 2 year old Buckfast that will soon be superceded, given the potential for aggression in the offspring of the F1 daughter. Have the breeders in TX been affected by the weather? Where are the green marks? It is still B=0, 5 W=1, 6 Y=2, 7 R=3, 8 G=4, 9 isn't it or did that change to make the bees Y2K compliant? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail wrote in message news:7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! From queenmkr@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 May 1999 01:00:16 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16961 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From queenmkr@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 May 1999 01:00:14 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990504210014.02119.00001296@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16962 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:08:26 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <372FB62A.743E3DEC@worldnet.att.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925873671 24926 12.72.0.233 (5 May 1999 03:07:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 03:07:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16963 > Also, I have been trying to check if the queen is laying eggs, like the book > says, but I cannot be certain I see those tiny needle sized cylinders? There > are many cells with some dark brown stuff in them in the lower section, but > is that the pollen and the eggs are supposed to be in them? > I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! > > Charles "Stretch" Ledford If you are near-sighted, take off your glasses. In either case, you just need to lean your nose in--just a teeensy bit further. From sroyjnospam@yahoo.com Sat May 8 06:43:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!usenet2.aramco.com!uunet!pao.uu.net!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.wans.net!not-for-mail From: sroyjnospam@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beware of Primus Telecommuntications! Date: 5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7go7a3$h05$201@server2.wans.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust169.tnt2.brockton.ma.da.uu.net X-Trace: server2.wans.net 925868163 17413 153.35.165.169 (5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wans.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 01:36:03 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16964 **************************************************************** * Posted by Newsgroup AutoPoster! It's NOT registered yet! * **************************************************************** Beware of Primus Telecommunications Inc.!!!! After calling to take advantage of an offer advertised in the January edition of Filipinas magazine I started getting billed at more than double the advertised rate. After almost 3 months and dozens of phone calls to Primus to correct this problem, it is still on-going. Primus is refusing to correct the bill and are demanding payment at a higher rate. I don't even know what they are charging me now because they also are refusing to put anything in writing so I can see how the bill is being adjusted, but I know it is well above the advertised rate. I have started receiving demand letters and harassing phone calls at work demanding payment. Doing business with them has been a nightmare and I would discourage anyone from doing business with them. There are other companies offering similar rates that know how to treat their customers! If you have had a similar experience with Primus, or know someone who has, please email me (remove the nospam from address). And please, warn your friends! ....Roy..... From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Sat May 8 06:43:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black Lab loves bees> Message-ID: <372c67a1.3224399@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:05:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.145.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 925657535 216.80.145.53 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:35 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16965 I have a big black dog thats half Lab and half German Shepherd. She goes to my bee yard in the evening and morning when she knows the bees will be inactive and eats any burr comb that I've cut out while working my bees. She loves honey, honey comb, and even bees. Anyone ever heard of such a thing? Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Sat May 8 06:43:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: worms!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <372c6976.3693777@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:11:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.145.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 925657899 216.80.145.53 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:11:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:11:39 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16966 As i was working a colony of bees yestersay I found a very small (1/16" dia by about 1/2" long) cream colored worm with a darker colored band about 1/4 the way back from his head. I found no visible damage inside the colony and this is the only one I saw. Anybody know what this was? Thanks Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liquid smoke Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 00:14:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16967 I got my bottle of liquid smoker earlier this week. I went into a few hives - moderate to weak - and it worked fairly well. It didn't seem to harm the bees and the effect lasted longer than regular smoke. The jury is still out but so far I like it. I think it will be a great alternative during the real dry weather as it is not a fire hazard. It definately beats lighting a smoker just to peak into one hive. It really has potential! I'll post some followups as things go along. Anyone else try the stuff? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: worms!!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:15:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ghr89$dki$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372c6976.3693777@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16968 rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) wrote: >As i was working a colony of bees yestersay I found a very small >(1/16" dia by about 1/2" long) cream colored worm with a darker >colored band about 1/4 the way back from his head. I found no visible >damage inside the colony and this is the only one I saw. Anybody know >what this was? Thanks >Richard >Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) The bees were getting ready to go fishing? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:24:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7ghro6$dki$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16969 "John Drain" wrote: >How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out >of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at >the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the >end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, >put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All >feed back appreciated. >Regards. >John Drain. >jondrain@southnet.co.nz Questions like these are imposible to answer because we have no idea as to where you are or the climate involved. You neglect to even tell us what you are starting with. A single deep? A double? Perhaps a tripple deep? It's like asking "How high is up?" Some places can get a surplus from packages, some places can't. How long is your honey flow? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From raghiot@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: (RAG) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:16:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37306758.2987189@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca4-64.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 04 8:17:14 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16970 On Tue, 04 May 1999 00:25:18 GMT, (RAG) wrote: Thank you one and all for the info. I will proceed with the project Thursday next (weather permitting), and hope for the best. I'm sure it will work out fine. Don't know how I could survive without the fine helpful folks here on the net. If sucessful, I'll report results for the 'archives'. Again, thanks. Roger From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat May 8 06:43:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:02:07 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <372F988E.9CFEFFA2@valley.net> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16971 Pollinator wrote: > > Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in > the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a > queen excluder between them. now THAT is an elegant solution! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jmcclure@hop-uky.campus.mci.net Sat May 8 06:43:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.155.140.137!news.campuscwix.net!n-f-m From: "jmcc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining Hives Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:46:48 -0500 Organization: none Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s23-pm12.snwestsac.campuscwix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16972 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with = several bees that didn`t have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper = with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the correct = thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". Thanks for = any help....... jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BE9677.9C809660-- From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat May 8 06:43:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 13:19:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990505091921.03984.00002456@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16973 #2 burn baby burn Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Sat May 8 06:43:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" Subject: Bee Vac Uses !!! Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:03:53 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16974 I put me new Johnson's Bee Vac to good uses yesterday, I found a large swarm in the top of a cedar tree after luring the bee into a 5 gal. bucket with a piece of comb I dumped all the bees inside of the bee vac and closed the lid and taped up on of the holes. After about an hour all the bee had entered the box and I was on my way home. Thanks for such a fine product! Darrell Laney -- Northeast Alabama Beekeepers Assoc.: Sec.\Tres. Jefferson Co. Beekeepers Assoc.: Member If you need info on joining any of these clubs, please email me. From nrmeyer@flash.net Sat May 8 06:43:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Neil Meyer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Bee Supplies in Texas? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 16:32:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.241.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 925662771 209.30.241.23 (Sun, 02 May 1999 11:32:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:32:51 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16975 Anyone near Austin, TX have good, used bee supplies for sale? If so, please email response to david1211@hotmail.com From hamilton@pbssite.com Sat May 8 06:43:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!WCG!news.randori.com!news.usenetserver.com!news2.usenetserver.com!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Organization: Professional Business Services Reply-To: hamilton@pbssite.com Message-ID: <37303af6.90148125@news2.usenetserver.com> References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:35:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news2.usenetserver.com 925908097 207.91.44.54 (Wed, 05 May 1999 08:41:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:41:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16976 I would also like to know if there is such a think in the US .. places like Sue-Bee require 40,000 lbs lots .. what is available for someone with 1000 lbs? On Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:51 +0100, "Christopher Dainton" wrote: >Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which >has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the >Midlands+ACEAIQ-). Last season was my best so far. >I'd be grateful for a contact, telephone number or address. >Thanks >Chris > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 10:18:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7go203$pe0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990505061824.13860.00000593@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16977 >Stop eating cabbage and beans for a while? > >Seriously, get out the hosepipe. > Very good answer Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat May 8 06:43:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:22:50 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 925914108 209.69.69.149 (Wed, 05 May 1999 09:21:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:21:48 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16978 Do you have any pictures of your TBH posted anywhere? I'd love to see a picture! Mine is pretty plain- Looks like a lime green coffin with a white lid. Silver screen door style handles on the side. What do the runes say? What style or type of runes- Old norse, stave runes or what? Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.1198fb85c2ffbdaa98991e@news.pe.net... > i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from keeping > bees in top bar hives. > That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony this > year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike says I > should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how he > selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that Bee > Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper and > Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with the > rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob is > very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little beekeeping > inventions. > > > In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > says... > > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it a try > > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the idea > > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is there any > > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > > > Al > > From gardenwrks@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gardenwrks@aol.com (GardenWrks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 May 1999 16:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> Message-ID: <19990505121756.13131.00004323@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16979 Some of the books say American Foulbrood spores can hang around for more than 50 years. From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:43:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.102 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925925667 216.100.28.102 (Wed, 05 May 1999 13:34:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:34:27 EDT Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:38:20 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16980 First I painted the whole thing white, and then when the white paint dried, I tacked flowers and leaves to it and spray painted over them on three sides so it left nice white images of flowers and leaves. As to the runes, those are on the fourth side and they are Old Norse designs, prohibited by law. I am getting a scanner. Do you know where scanned images can be posted without clogging a non- binary newsgroup with them and when you don't have a web page? In article <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net>, anglin@mi.verio.com says... > Do you have any pictures of your TBH posted anywhere? > I'd love to see a picture! > Mine is pretty plain- Looks like a lime green coffin with a white lid. > Silver screen door style handles on the side. > > What do the runes say? What style or type of runes- Old norse, stave > runes or what? > > Peter Amschel wrote in message > news:MPG.1198fb85c2ffbdaa98991e@news.pe.net... > > i have done it for several seasons and have had beaucoup enjoyment from > keeping > > bees in top bar hives. > > That reminds me, where is Bee Bob? Bee Bob may be setting up my new colony > this > > year. If not, Mike the Beekeeper's fine bee breed will be the one. Mike > says I > > should keep his variety instead of those of Bee Bob anyway, because of how > he > > selects his queens. This could be mere puffery by Mike because I know that > Bee > > Bob knows alot about them, probably as much as anyone. Mike the Beekeeper > and > > Bee Bob like the top bar hives. Bee Bob got real excited to see mine, with > the > > rune decorations on it and all, and he got some new ideas from it. Bee Bob > is > > very innovative, having already developed multiple clever little > beekeeping > > inventions. > > > > > > In article <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com > > says... > > > I was looking at a web page on top bar hives. I am thinking of giving it > a try > > > as a first time beekeeper. Has anybody else started this way. I like the > idea > > > of making your own hive. Also there seems to be other advantages. Is > there any > > > other (low tech) hive types that a beginner can use. > > > > > > Al > > > > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:37:20 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gpvsu$f7j$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> <372F95EE.E4EB5F17@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.bowler.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 925926110 15603 62.136.118.251 (5 May 1999 17:41:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:41:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16981 and me! Bill Greenrose wrote in message <372F95EE.E4EB5F17@valley.net>... >michael charters wrote: > >> BALD MEN AND BEES >> >> Yesterday I was thirty feet up a ladder up a tree capturing a swarm. >> >> I am not bald - simply receding. I was wearing my usual very effective >> Sheriff bee suit. And something happened to me again. And again. And >> again. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:45:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925926230 27942 12.72.2.73 (5 May 1999 17:43:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:43:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16982 Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Every now and then you can see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really dumb question, and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number of doofusses out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause considerable peripheral damage. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > RESPONSE FROM THE NEW: > > Well, hell. > > In that I'm one of the newbie pickers of y'all's brains, I'm personally > semi-put off by your post, Kevin. I wonder where you get you evidence that > > there are a increasing number of beginners out there that have never picked up > >a book or taken any kind of beginner class, nor do they have any contact with > > beekeepers in their local area. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening a laying worker Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:06:14 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.53 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925665024 11963 12.72.50.53 (2 May 1999 17:10:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:10:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16983 I had a situation where 2 of the 3 mating nucs I set up in a divided deep failed to produce a laying queen. In fact I suspect they were lost during their mating flights since I never saw them again after they emerged (they were there at one time). At any rate, I combined these 2 and gave them a swarm cell from another hive. Again no mated queen although the cell was neatly opened at the end. That was several weeks ago and 2 weeks ago this nuc has quite a bit of drone cells exclusively. Check and double check, no queen. So I have to say laying worker. Yesterday I marked the Q in the 3rd nuc and moved the whole shooting match about 20 ft away. In the old location I paced a new bottom board, deep, and put the 3 frames from the queenright nuc in the center. Then back at the remaining frames 20 ft away I held each one high and thouroghly shook and brushed all the bees off. As I liberated each frame of bees I then replaced it in the new hive containing the 3 frames from the queenright colony. It was mass confusion as this cloud of bees eventually located the entrance (there were 3 previously, 1 for each nuc). At one point I thought they were going to abscond. Did it work? Well I think so. I checked after about 5 hours and her highness was still laying and had all of her legs and wings. Time will tell. Rain today so they will be confined. Not sure if this is good or bad. I'll check it out in about 1 week and report back. I am not sure what I should be looking for now other than the obvious like a laying queen. If this is sucessful and any of the laying workers made it back to the hive, will their egg laying cease? When am I out of the woods? This is my first attempt at this and had only read about it. Any other methods out there? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:19:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gi1jq$ltg$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925665722 22448 62.136.14.138 (2 May 1999 17:22:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:22:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16984 Are you sure that they were queens? Workers enter hatched queen cells and are then sometimes sealed in; if you look carefully at the tip of the queen cell you will see where that the queen has cut around it to emerge and where the bees have sealed it back. But why do they do it? Pollinator wrote in message <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com>... >From: workerbee > >>I had c aouple of hives swarm this year and tried to control after >>swarms by removing all but two queen cells in the effected hives. >>Several days after one queen hatched out I was surprised to see >>unhatched cells. When I opened them up the queens were dead backwards in >>the cells. Didn't think much about it until I opend a superseedure cell >>last week and the pupa was in the cell backwards. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:13:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925665720 22448 62.136.14.138 (2 May 1999 17:22:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:22:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16985 Good points: Ornamental; Double wall keeps inner box very dry; Extra lift (section of outer box) on top gives space under the roof for storage - smoker fuel, matches etc; Bad points: Expensive; No recognised standard size (except frames) so parts from different manufacturers may not interchange; Boxes are smaller than National and hold one less frame - so the brood nest is smaller and therefore more likely to cause swarming (unless you really want to use double brood); Designed to use frames with metal ends (spacers) which play a part in making the boxes beetight; Design of boxes encourages propolisation; The inner boxes are never beetight - this leads to bees going into the space between the boxes where they are often caught in spider's webs; Bees that are short of space may build comb in the space between then inner and outer boxes - one that I was given recently had the space between the brood box and three supers completely full of comb ( and bees!); Mice love the space between the boxes; Almost impossible to move because of its size, weight and difficulty of making beetight. Need I go on? Wait for the reaction from the WBC supporters' club! Cara & Tom Patterson wrote in message <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net>... >why is that so? > > > >On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:54:57 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >>Quite difficult to give them away round here! >> >>Alan Craig wrote in message <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com>... >>>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Jajwuth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive >>>>> >> >> > > From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Packaged Hive Problem Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:23:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37307E91.4791FB36@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503074552.20886.00001411@ng21.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925924929 23292 12.72.2.73 (5 May 1999 17:22:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:22:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16986 My experience may compare to yours. On April 6 I released a queen installed on April 2. It was a cold, breezy day, and a sudden gust blew her out of my cupped hand. I saw her loft to the ground about five feet to the side of her hive. Unfortunately, there were hundreds of other bees crawling in the same area, and the queen was unmarked. After thoroughly scanning for her, but without success, I closed the hive, hoping she'd find her way home. Over the next three days, the cluster in this box shrank away to nothing, so I guess this time Lassie didn't come home. The last eight ounces in the cluster froze to a couple of frames their last night. I hope, but couldn't say, that most of the queenless, eggless bees were adopted by the other hives. SeasholtzM wrote: > Been readin and learnin here for awhile now i am in ned of some help, 14 days > ago i installed three new 3 lb packages in three brand new hives (just startin . . . > between and closed them up, cept the first one which i accidentlly opened the > wrong end of the queen cage the queen appeared to go into the hive with all the > other bees From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:35:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gpvss$f7j$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.bowler.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 925926108 15603 62.136.118.251 (5 May 1999 17:41:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 17:41:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16987 Sam Greenbank First Honey Co-operative Ltd 17 Warton Lane Atherstone Warwickshire CV9 3EJ Tel 01827 830955 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com>... >Can anyone tell me how I can obtain details of the First Honey Co-op which >has recently been formed to take surplus honey from hobbyists (in the From brian@bigbear.u-net.com Sat May 8 06:43:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!newsr2.u-net.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: brian@bigbear.u-net.com (Brian Smith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: advice needed on solitary bees Sender: brian@bigbear.u-net.com Organization: BigBear Reply-To: brian@bigbear.u-net.com Message-ID: <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.119.184.91 X-Complaints-To: news@u-net.net X-Trace: newsr2.u-net.net 925933083 193.119.184.91 (Wed, 05 May 1999 20:38:03 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:38:03 BST X-Real-Host: 193.119.184.91 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:40:13 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16988 This may seem a frivolous post but I have a problem. I live in Rochdale in the North of England. A solitary bee has built a nest in a hole through the upright spar of my bedroom window. The hole is wholly inside the room. The bee could only do the job because the window was open. We tried to stop the process by closing the window but the bee just beat on the window for 3 days until we relented. The bee has filled the hole with pollen, laid 2 eggs and sealed the hole. I understand that they may not emerge until next year or that it may happen later this summer. The questions are: when should we leave the window open again for them to leave and will the nest being located inside the house have any effect on their timetable given the non-seasonal temperatures? The bees have been trying to make nests in every hole they can find in the house so I have made some nesting blocks of wood and put them up in the garden. They seem to be moving in OK so that's a success anyway. Brian Smith -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Also showing at http://www.bigbear.u-net.com/home.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- From martin.goepfert@fen.baynet.de Sat May 8 06:43:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!fen!not-for-mail From: martin.goepfert@fen.baynet.de (martin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "nettle" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:50:56 +0200 Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg Fuerth Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-nbg-38.fen.baynet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: freenet-b.fen.baynet.de 925667347 29929 195.37.210.172 (2 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@fen.baynet.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16989 I have just one question: Does bees like neetles? thanks for your help, martin From cm@NOSPAMflash.net Sat May 8 06:43:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "MS" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:51:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.138.149.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 925930313 192.138.149.4 (Wed, 05 May 1999 13:51:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:51:53 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16990 Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about 1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are there any other ways of keeping them away? Thanks in advance Michael From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:18:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:19:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:25:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A787.37C1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16991 If there are blooms for the bees, DON"T dust. I would use liquid seven and spray in the late evening. Don From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:39:15 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925936724 20460 12.72.3.63 (5 May 1999 20:38:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 20:38:44 GMT To: JMitc1014 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16992 Spare the rod and spoil the larva. JMitc1014 wrote: > > Some people like their bees so darn much they go a little too easy on them, > especially us newbie hobbyist types. I plead guilty to being one of those. > I left 2 frames of foundation a little ajar in one of my new hives because I > didn't want to crush a few bees. Thought I was doing the bees a favor. > Well, I went back to the hive 9 days later and the industrious little > buggers had essentially built their own third frame of pure comb between the > other two. > Realizing that i had been trying too hard, I brushed off the bees and > removed the slab and as much of the burr comb as I could. There was no capped > brood in it, but there was 3 or 4 dozen larva and a little bit of pollen and > honey. Hated to do that, but I know that if I'm going to KEEP bees, I'm gonna > have to apply good hive management practices. > From an educational, pass-it-along standpoint, I guess the moral of the > story is don't try to go easy on your bees. It only makes it worse. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:18:54 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> <21BD3AD57EFA0DA2.F34828C5F2B08849.C94BB89E57B1B335@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:19:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:25:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A7AE.6B50@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16993 But you did not answer the question. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:54:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 20:56:38 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16994 In article <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net>, jslavett@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Care to site such evidence? > Every now and then you can > see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that > it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of > honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable > comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really > dumb question, Your comment reminds me of a trite, but apropo, maxim that begins: "There are no dumb questions..." I think the second half is that there are only dumb answers, or dumb answerers. Either works for me. I hear this kind of crap periodically from various newsgroups. The rec.running NG had a thread "The Dumbest Questions You've Been Asked About Running." Reading through these list of "dumb questions", many of them seemed to me to be legitimate questions posed by beginning runners or folks who were just curious about the sport/activity. I'm a professional photographer. I hope the day never comes when I don't have the time or inclination to answer, for the 10,000th time, the "I'm thinking about getting a camera. What kind should I buy?" question. Dumb damn question as far as I'm concerned. One does painstaking research of various products and vendors and settles on the best deal on the equipment that addresses the unique issues that a particular shooting situation poses. Do I tell the questioner how dumb the beginner's query sounds to me, the "scholar"? Of course not. I give whatever advice I can, and include in that advice referrals to any material, printed or otherwise (like a good Usenet newsgroup), that I feel is appropriate. I have no idea who you are, but, frankly, I don't like your attitude, not that it makes a helluvalot of difference. I thought we had moved beyond this issue and into more fertile territory with Kevin's "Let's Take a Test" thread. > and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number > of doofusses Hmmm... clearly a "scholarly" choice of words. >out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause > considerable peripheral damage. Are you *trying* to make this the sci.agriculture.beekeeping.experts newsgroup, or is such an agenda only a byproduct of your attitude? Mebbe I'm subscribing to the wrong newsgroup. Although I appreciate all the information I find here, perhaps this NG is for professional beekeepers with a great number of hives and many years of experience. Question for anyone who's bothered to read this diatribe: Is this NG an appropriate place for a new, hobbyist beekeeper with one hive and no plans for expansion or is it not? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 04:41:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A60DC.E53394F3@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501004112.19642.00000938@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16995 Sorry to hear about that, Kevin. The same day you posted your message, my pick-up got towed and impounded after an accident that was my fault (while on the way to feed the bees), my pregnant fiancee wet herself during an emergency, and my sweet-natured pitbull (she really is!) got into a fight at the dog park with a boxer-bulldog mix that left a half-dozen cuts on my dog's face. As someone said to me at the end of the day, musta been bad ions in the air. Whatever. I hope you and your bees recover soon. Good luck, JM From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:41:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 21:42:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16996 In article <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > A terrible smell is noted as you remove the cover from your hive. > As you examine the brood nest you find many dead brood with just a small hole > in the caps. > You do a stick test and find " Ropy, sticky, gooie" remains. > > 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > American Foulbrood. > 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? I have read that there are two other types of foulbrood- European foulbrood and parafoulbrood. American fb is worse because it is much more contagious to other colonies, and much more difficult to eradicate from an infected colony, than are the other two types. I understand that teramyacin should be used to prevent foulbrood. However, I have a question. Is this treatment necessary given that I put in a hive of packaged bees only recently, later in the year than usual? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:43:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:22:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Message-ID: <7gi66u$13n$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> <7gi1jq$ltg$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16997 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Are you sure that they were queens? Workers enter hatched queen cells and >are then sometimes sealed in; if you look carefully at the tip of the queen >cell you will see where that the queen has cut around it to emerge and where >the bees have sealed it back. But why do they do it? They hold the hatched queens until the swarm leaves. These newly hatched queens stick their tongues out through the crack to be fed. It keeps the virgins from killing the old queen. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 04:46:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501004652.19642.00000940@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16998 Ouch. Very distracting. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:27:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 May 1999 20:28:54 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 5 13:35:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust213.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3730A9CF.6D10@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16999 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > A terrible smell is noted as you remove the cover from your hive. > As you examine the brood nest you find many dead brood with just a small hole > in the caps. > You do a stick test and find " Ropy, sticky, gooie" remains. > > 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > American > 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? > The spores that it comes from live on and on and must be killed in the chamber or by scorching the equipment or by dousing the effected hive and fireing it off till it is burnt all up. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Suggestion for rebuild. Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:54:27 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7gqeei$fc3@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <372e38e5.8775437@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990504080039.07163.00002003@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 05 2:50:10 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17000 Pollinator wrote: > Turn the old hive upside down. The queen will be highly reluctant to lay in >the misaligned cells. Put the new box on top. When you see eggs, slip in a >queen excluder between them. If you still see eggs three or four days later, >you have the queen where you want her. You can wait until all the brood >hatches out of the old box, then you can salvage any honey and wax you wish. > Dave, I've heard of this one too, but with using drawn comb for the top box, not foundation. Since I've never inverted a hive before either I would not know how readily the bees would move up onto it myself. Roughly about how long do you think it would take the bees to move up into the top super of foundation (variables such as strong nectar flow, bad weather, etc., etc. aside)? Just curious... --David Scribner From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:09:49 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.165 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925945894 17605 12.72.46.165 (5 May 1999 23:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:11:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17001 I have subscribed to this group for a few years now and it is only recently that it has become a flaming ground. Sorry to see that. On the otherhand, It is good to see the number of posts way up and new blood. Everyone should feel welcome to participate at whatever level their knowledge is. One does not have to be a scholar to keep bees competently, although a scholar can be an idiot (our president comes to mind). And you are wrong on this point: Keven, like anyone, else is not "entitled" to get cranky unless he is the moderator and this is not a moderated NG. One can simply ignore those posts they deem to be boneheaded. People like Keven answer because they want too. I think you missed the point of Kevin's original post. His concern was not that basic questions appeared on the newsgroup, but rather people seemed to jump into the hobby without sufficient basic knowledge. That was my interpretation anyway. Now, I guess I am a doofuss since I keep only 4 hives. Never mind that I have been keeping bees since 1975. When I retire in 13 years from my profession, I'll have more. But for now 4-6 will have to do. Please let me know what number of colonies I must have before I am considered knowledgable. By the way, do you happen to know how many Langstroth or Huber kept? Would you consider them to be doofusses? Since this thread is "A word of advice" I'll give mine. Everyone should be welcome, but newcomers to the group should sit back and get the flavor of the group before posting the kind of crap below. Does anyone care to talk about bees? Oh wait, I guess that is a stupid question. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message news:373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net... > Oh, the evidence is there, obviously enough. Every now and then you can > see a question asked that is so basic and so clearly mis-informed that > it is safe to assume the questioner is something less than a scholar of > honeybees. Those, like Kevin, who publish frequent knowledgeable > comments are entitled to get cranky when someone asks a really, really > dumb question, and other beekeepers are entitled to fret at the number > of doofusses out there with a few hives and the capacity to cause > considerable peripheral damage. > From noemail@nomail.com Sat May 8 06:43:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news5.cableinet.net!cableinet-uk!news1.cableinet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Darryl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Many thanks to newsgroup for wild bee advice Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:23:24 +0100 Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Message-ID: <7gqk28$pea$2@news1.cableinet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.1.135.7 X-Trace: news1.cableinet.co.uk 925946760 26058 212.1.135.7 (5 May 1999 23:26:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cableinet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:26:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17002 Many thanks to all who gave me advice on my wild bee in the roof problem. Thanks for taking the time to respond much appreciated to you all. I have also been to the web site suggested by Chris Allen, downloaded the whole lot and found it very informative. I have read and printed out the material from the web site and will keep it for future reference for educating other people on the innocence of bees as the need may arise. The site answers all the questions the lay person would have about bees and their activities and is excellent in this respect. For feedback purposes, any chance of having some main statistics on bees e.g.. how many bees in a typical colony, average time spent at each nesting site, how much a typical nest weighs, how bees navigate etc. Once again thanks to the newsgroup for all the information. regards Darryl From Malley@netdoor.com Sat May 8 06:43:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:26:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.146 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 925932563 208.137.149.146 (Wed, 05 May 1999 14:29:23 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:29:23 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17003 Electric Fence MS wrote in message ... >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? >Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do >you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are >there any other ways of keeping them away? > >Thanks in advance > >Michael > > > > > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:21:13 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.165 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925946405 20090 12.72.46.165 (5 May 1999 23:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 1999 23:20:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17004 IMHO, Duragilt ought to be outlawed. If the wax coating has been scraped or chewed off, forget ever getting it drawn properly. Plastic is far superior. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0505991546350001@pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net... > > There is one frame in my nearly week old hive that has two "spurs" of comb > coming off the Duragilt foundation. I removed one yesterday thinking that > this would only lead to what you describe above, but today that one's back > and there's another one being built. > > Should I completely remove both of what appears to me to be burr combs? > > Thanks. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catenary Hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 1999 01:28:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990505212817.28815.00001574@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17005 Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home Honey Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know more about them. I am considering making and using them. Thanks Al From casfam1@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 01:33:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17006 I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have started? My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got to love that plastic foundation). Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive for next year. As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. thanks for any help and all the help in the past . Gary caswell western Oregon From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat May 8 06:43:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:18:35 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925950033 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:20:33 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17007 American foulbrood is the Armegeddon of the honeybee colony. Destruction by fire is the only course of action. All tools and clothing must be sterilized also. I've never had it in my beeyard and I hope I never do. From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Sat May 8 06:43:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:07:18 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7gq61h$77d@news1.snet.net> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh1-port63.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17008 keeping a queen caged for a while gives time for her pheremones to permeate the hive so all bees recognize her as their queen, not an intruder (that they might ball or evict). Hives that were queenless for a while take less time to accept a new queen than hives recently dequeened, and packaged bees that were shipped with their queen need little or no time (and thus are perfect candidates for your frozen honey idea!). Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >I wonder if doing this would have allowed the workers to free the queen >too quickly? What, if any, is the danger of her being freed sooner rather >than later? From dcscott@bright.net Sat May 8 06:43:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!205.212.123.11!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Scott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:19:06 -0400 Organization: bright.net Ohio Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gqv3f$qbh$1@cletus.bright.net> References: <19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dark-cas2-cs-20.dial.bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 925958063 26993 209.143.25.89 (6 May 1999 02:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 02:34:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17009 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990504090025.17987.00002074@ng-fb1.aol.com... > 1. Your loving wife has just awakened you from peaceful slumber at 7:00 am > She tells you what a good job she has done by dusting the rows of cabbage and > beans this morning with Sevin. So that you wouldn't have to do it tonight when > it was dark ! > > Dawn is about to break, your bees are on the landing boards ready to go > forth.... > > What would you do ??? > Why ?? > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > It's quite simple. Water the lawn around and on the hives, bees hate to work in the rain unless they are Carnolians. If you have Carnolians you better water the garden. Carnolians are to industrious and to smart to be fooled by the sprinkler trick. That way you will get rid of the cabbage worms and save your bees. IMHO LOL Dennis Scott West Central Ohio From gregorm9@mail.idt.net Sat May 8 06:43:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.164.216.4!news.rapidnet.com!not-for-mail From: Greg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Hives Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:56:20 -0600 Organization: RapidNet LLC Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37303FF3.12B7@mail.idt.net> References: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> Reply-To: gregorm9@mail.idt.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pt1-47.rapidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17010 I have done as you described a lot and it works very well. Although, it occured to me that there was no need to put slits in the paper as the bees will chew through it in there own time. My concern with putting in the slits was that when I put the hive back together, the slit MIGHT open into a larger opening. I would use this procedure to combine a small, queenright, handful of bees in one hive with several frames of brood and bees taken from a stronger colony. Greg jmcc wrote: > > Hi Folks, >   > I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with > several bees that didn`t  have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper > with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the > correct thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". > Thanks for any help....... >   >                             jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:37:43 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7gqv1e$qhe@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 05 9:33:18 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17011 Casfam1 wrote: >During my tour through >their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection >I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly >solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped >yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. > >Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have >started? >My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages >contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb > >Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? > >Gary caswell western Oregon That happens occasionally. The new queen may not have mated with a sufficient number of drones, she could have been damaged in shipment, or a number of other reasons. I would suggest ordering a new queen, especially since you don't have many drones available for a new queen to mate with, and due to plastic foundation none will be hatching. Remember, a queen usually mates with about 15 drones (more or less) before she has enough sperm in her spermatheca to become a good, viable queen. There may be enough drones around if you have feral bees or other beekeepers in the area, but since these are your first hives you probably don't have enough established. Also, should there be other drones about, they may not be of the strain you would like your queen to mate with. If you like the bees that you purchased from your breeder, order a new queen from them (and tell them why--though like I said, it happens--you might even get a discount). Ordering a new queen (if done right away) will also give you a laying queen sooner than waiting for a queen to hatch (16 days) and then mate (~3 days, depending on weather). Hope this helps. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From lsfarris@raytheon.com Sat May 8 06:43:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3730A58C.B1D226B@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <19990504210016.02119.00001297@ngol02.aol.com> <7gq61h$77d@news1.snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:09:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.126.255.194 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service1.ext.raytheon.com 925934709 138.126.255.194 (Wed, 05 May 1999 15:05:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:05:09 CDT Organization: Raytheon Systems Company Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!dfw-service1.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17012 > How to make Candy for Queen Cages? Use a marshmallow From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-228.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:05:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.e4 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 04:05:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17013 In article <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > IMHO, Duragilt ought to be outlawed. If the wax coating has been scraped or > chewed off, forget ever getting it drawn properly. Plastic is far superior. > The wax coating seems to be intact. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Cavan@mindspring.com Sat May 8 06:43:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQ listing? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:40:32 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <7gqsb6$878$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.06.52 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 01:47:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17014 Does this newsgroup have a FAQ listing? If so where might I find it? From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:43:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:08:25 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37316A19.18FD793E@worldnet.att.net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <37207D41.D30CB208@wave.home.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.66.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925985273 12482 12.72.66.132 (6 May 1999 10:07:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 10:07:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17015 Bee Culture has archived articles at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/arch.htm. These archives are not the complete issues, but they do go back to the middle of 1996. ABJ has a good classified section, if you are interested in buying or selling equipment. Real Name: wrote: > It's been years since I took a magazine > of any kind . > What are these magazines like ? > Do these magazines have websites ? > Might be something useful, to come > out of this thread . From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:23:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> Message-ID: <19990506072332.13043.00000008@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17016 > > >> 1. What type of Foul Brood is this ? > >American Foul Brood > >> 2. Why is it so much worse than the other type ? > >It is worse due to the spores that the bacteria produce that can survive and >s Great answer Darrell Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:17:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990506071717.13043.00000006@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17017 >I think you missed the point of Kevin's original post. His concern was not >that basic questions appeared on the newsgroup, but rather people seemed to >jump into the hobby without sufficient basic knowledge. That wa YES YES YES It was not my intention to start a war. I only hoped that it would bring about a little book learning at home. I never took any class that didn't require homework to get an acceptable grade. PLEASE STOP THE WAR Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:24:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3730A9CF.6D10@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990506072447.13043.00000009@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17018 >chamber or by scorching the equipment or by dousing the effected hive and >fireing it off till it is burnt all up. >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > > > > Give that man a cigar !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From apimo@apimo.dk Sat May 8 06:43:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:42:49 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7gr6q4$1f9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip80.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 925965956 1513 195.249.242.80 (6 May 1999 04:45:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 04:45:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17019 Casfam1 skrev i meddelelsen <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com>... >Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have >started? >My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages >contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got >to love that plastic foundation). >Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? Chance is that you will get a much better queen in sense of mating if you let then do the nature, than you will if you Bye a new queen from a big queen breeder. But the quality in other senses, can turn out to be what You not want or are used to. So if you go for a special bee like buckfast, you must get a new buckfast bee. Be aware of that what you get from a queenbreeder is most likely hybrids, and not to make new queens of. In your case I would live them alone raising the new queen and then when you can get a new queen hopefully good mated, replace the queen. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Danmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Austaralia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From afichera@iol.it Sat May 8 06:43:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!i2unix!newsfeed.iol.it!not-for-mail From: "Alessandro Fichera" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TABEC S.r.l. Beekeeping equipment Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:06:24 +0200 Organization: Italia Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7gpgrf$1dm$1@hermes.iol.it> References: <7gngra$c9l$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.13.67.115 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17020 T A B E C -- S. r. l. Italian Beekeeping Company Tabec S.r.l. was born in Guastalla (Italy) by energy and competence of the present owners. It is composed of a party of operators that carry on their task with professional nature, will and passion, and it has been working in the apiarian - zootechnical area since 1979. Besides, a complex mix of factors and big decisional - productive flexibility have helped Tabec to grow up and have put it decidedly in the role of leader of the Italian market. Strongly of the experience acquired in national field in the last 20 years, now Tabec show itself to foreign market. 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Giacomo di Guastalla Reggio Emilia - ITALY Tel. +39 0522 831206 Fax. +39 0522 831114 E-mail: afichera@iol.it tabec@tin.it From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-64.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:32:33 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <#BsVm7vl#GA.186@cpmsnbbsa05> <19990506072332.13043.00000008@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.40 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 14:34:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17021 Some of my posts don't seem to be going through, so I'll repost only a portion of my "go-to-the-top-of-the-class" answer to Test #2. I've read that there are actually three types of foulbrood: American, European, and para. Parafoulbrood was said to only be a problem in the SE US. Any thoughts/comments? Also... Teramyacin (isn't that one LOVELY word????! Yes, I'm serious!) is said to prevent American foulbrood, and such treatment should be undertaken during mid-spring. Given that I just hived a colony of package bees from CA one week ago, is this treatment necessary? Perhaps it's even more important with package bees. I dunno... it's not in the book. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From rwnelson@cableone.net Sat May 8 06:43:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Hive and the Honeybee" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:11:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <926003187.368.62@news.remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:06:27 GMT X-Trace: 926003187.368.62 DX3JXEXMC0F1E1874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17022 >A week or so ago, someone mentioned another book similar to The Hive and >the Honey Bee and recommended it over same. > >Does anyone remember what that book was? I just got to read the postings so knew where to look, "The Beekeeper's Handbook" (Avitabile and Sammataro, Cornell University Press, $25). It is a smaller and more approachable book. It doesn't have as much detail as "The Hive and the Honeybee" but you don't have to wade through all the detail to get answers to your questions. also mentioned were: In the UK, 'Guide to Bees and Honey' by Ted Hooper might be more useful, together with his 'Encyclopaedia of Beekeeping' written with Roger Morse - but read all that you can lay your hands on. One that came to my mind is a starter's book which Walter Kelly wrote and offered at a very reasonable (cheap at one time) called "Getting Started Right With Bees". I haven't a recent Kelly (Clarkson, KY) catalog and do not know if it's still available. At one time they were so cheap I kept a supply on hand and when some one approached me about keeping bees I gave them a copy and told them if they had any questions after reading that book I'd be happy to answer them. Maybe some one in the group knows if this fine resource is available and how much in now costs? >Thanks Your welcome From p010ne@my-dejanews.com Sat May 8 06:43:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: p010ne@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Hive (good queen?) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 04:40:07 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7gj9b8$4bs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.11.140.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 03 04:40:07 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; MCI CD V4.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x15.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.11.140.116 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17023 I installed my two-pound package of buckfast bees (and one marked-yellow queen)on April 21, 1999 (this is my first hive). I have verified that the queen was released from her cage and attempted to check for eggs today (but really couldn't tell?) I saw the queen OK, and some cells with dark stuff in the bottom in the brood chamber (but don't understand about looking for the tiny eggs -- about the size of a needle?) I am a little concerned that they have built a comb extension between the top of two frames (when I installed the queen cage, I left one frame out and I think they built some comb between the frames where the cage was placed.) Is this a problem, or will the workers rework that area? My bees have been consuming about a quart of sugar water each day, but I see them coming in with various colors of pollen. I, think, I noticed some unsealed honey in the top of some frames. I don't want to disturb my hive too much, but wonder if all is ok with the queen? (She looked fine!) I am located in Wise County of Texas (North of the Dallas-Fort Worth Area). Thanks! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rwnelson@cableone.net Sat May 8 06:43:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQ listing? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:03:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <926006285.800.83@news.remarQ.com> References: <7gqsb6$878$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.55 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:58:05 GMT X-Trace: 926006285.800.83 DX3JXEXMC0F371874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17024 >Does this newsgroup have a FAQ listing? If so where might I find it? http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/home.html From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:43:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-64.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:27:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.40 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 14:29:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17025 For some reason I don't think some of my posts are making it out my computer and onto the server, so I'll ask this again... Like someone mentioned a couple days ago, my new colony (hived one week ago) is building what I reckon is burr comb... comb coming off the Duragilt foundation, with cells on both sides of its own beeswax foundation... completely built by the bees. It's coming off the foundation at about a ten degree angle. I removed some of this the other day, thinking it was the burr comb that I have read about, but the next day I found they had rebuilt what I removed and had expanded upon same. I didn't remove the new comb, figuring mebbe they'd just eventually work this "off the Duragilt" (burr?) comb back onto the foundation later. Now I'm thinking that I should again remove it, and do so more completely than I did the first time, forcing the bees to built comb flat against the Duragilt foundation. I'd appreciate any advice/comments. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From rwnelson@cableone.net Sat May 8 06:43:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQ listing? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:21:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <926003762.539.83@news.remarQ.com> References: <7gqsb6$878$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:16:02 GMT X-Trace: 926003762.539.83 DX3JXEXMC0F1E1874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17026 >Does this newsgroup have a FAQ listing? If so where might I find it? try this: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/ From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...a Requeening question Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 May 1999 05:13:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372D0D5D.513F@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990503011308.19121.00001337@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17027 >Will this plan work? I'm thinking of getting a new queen, and putting >her in a nuc box with one or two f >a few days....then, to FIND the old queen: could I put a bit of >would sure >save a headache going through all the frames looking for her. Look, Please let me explain something important to all newbies and small hobbist's It is VERY important that you go to the trouble of looking through those frames. You have to do this or there is no way for you to know the conditions inside your hive. There is no way to discerne the strength of a queen just by looking at the number of bees in the top of a super. If you haven't requeened or even looked in 3 years it's probably not the queen you started with anyway. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: advice needed on solitary bees Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:39:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7gsl1o$lic$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926013304 22092 62.136.7.6 (6 May 1999 17:55:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 17:55:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17028 Have you considered moving the hole outside? Brian Smith wrote in message <37329e79.1092080@news.u-net.com>... >This may seem a frivolous post but I have a problem. I live in Rochdale in the >North of England. A solitary bee has built a nest in a hole through the upright >spar of my bedroom window. The hole is wholly inside the room. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:51:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7gsl1p$lic$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com><37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com><7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net><7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926013305 22092 62.136.7.6 (6 May 1999 17:55:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 17:55:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17029 Glad you said *generally* Tom Speight wrote in message ... >An Additional good point, is that *generally*, bees seem to winter >better in a double walled hive. >-- >Tom Speight From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A word of Advice Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 May 1999 05:40:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17030 Ladies and gentlemen, over the past few weeks it has become apparent that there are a increasing number of beginners out there that have never picked up a book or taken any kind of beginner class, nor do they have any contact with beekeepers in their local area. In our grand parents time it was very simple to keep bees....they took care of themselves. Alas today things are very different. There are trachea mites,Varroa mites,Hive beetles, Virus's and the threat of new outbreaks of FoulBrood are always present. You are not helping anyone if you have a bee hive and don't know even the basics of maintaining it. You will actually be hurting your neighbors bees and any remaining ferrel colonies that may pay you a visit. Since a lot of diseases present in poorly maintained hives are worse than found in nature, You may be helping to wipe out colonies in your area. I've helped a lot of ya, and will continue to do so, and i hope all of the more experianced keepers will also, But please understand what you get here is not enough. This newsgroup CAN NOT take the place of reading materials, library books,beginner classes and actual contact with experianced beekeepers in your area. It will not work, You can not go blindly into beekeeping and not expect disaster for your self or your neighbor, it just won't work. What book to buy you ask ??????? The "bible" of beekeeping for @ 90 years has been " The Hive and The Honey Bee" Its available from Dadant, been revised many times over the years and includes everything, from the story of Rev. Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth and the discovery of the bee space, to marketing and selling honey. It is a text book used in many classes, Entomology Dept. at universities all the way down to beginner classes that I teach at Farm shows. It'll cost ya about 35.00 We all started once......We are very glad you are joining us....We will help you all we can.... PLEASE HELP YOURSELVES TOO Responses are welcome from new and old alike. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From neil.carter@wave.home.com Sat May 8 06:43:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37207D41.D30CB208@wave.home.com> From: Neil Carter Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:02:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.141.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 924876171 24.65.141.127 (Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:02:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:02:51 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17031 As a beeginner (oops sp !), I have benefited greatly from this forum, in addition to reading publications and journals - different ideas and approaches. It is a free world which also gives you the freedom not to participate or to create your own forum which meets your needs better. Having a bad morning ??? Peter Edwards wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the 'sci' stands for in this newsgroup's name? > > I have been following this newsgroup now for about four months and it seems > to me that there is very little 'sci' in the postings. > > Many people - often, I have to say, from the USA - ask for incredibly basic > information which is widely available in excellent range of beekeeping > magazines that are available e.g. > > ABJ (USA) > Bee Culture (USA); > Beecraft (UK); > Beekeeper's Quarterly (UK); > Bee Biz (published UK but worldwide coverage); > Bee World (from IBRA, UK but worldwide interest); > > or from the vast array of beekeeping books available which are far too > numerous to list here. > > Surely this newsgroup should supplement and add to the vast amount of > information already available, using the power of instant communication to > update members on the latest developments worldwide, rather than simply > providing basic information for those too idle to look it up for themselves. > > The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for > many members! From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:43:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives float! (not) Watch where you place them! Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 05:56:37 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 27 Message-ID: <372d3479.277679116@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-23.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 03 12:49:56 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17032 After 10 days of rain and heavy snow (16" in some places) here in Colorado, I'm finding it pays to watch where you place hives and to expect the worst for flooding. Late friday I was feeding my new hives (in the rain) when I noticed the water rising fast on normally dry meadow-land. The water rose to knee-deep where I've never seen even a puddle form (underground spring runs through the property). Inside of 30 minutes some of my hives were covered a few inches over the bottom-boards. As with everything, the good comes with the bad - with the bad being the hives that were 'sunk' were the heaviest, tallest hives. The good part is they partially floated with the pallet once jarred loose - which helped tremendously as I was by myself and one of the pallets weighed over 400 lbs (two hives to each pallet). There's a lesson to be learned in this mistake - take care on your hive placement! What looks like fertile dry-land may turn out to be flood-plain. My hives were saved with a little timely effort but a half hour here or there & I'm sure I would have lost a few. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From thegriggs@bc.sympatico.ca Sat May 8 06:43:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.bctel.net!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3722969B.80345F95@bc.sympatico.ca> From: Jim Grigg Reply-To: thegriggs@bc.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en,fr-CA,af MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:14:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.52.192.39 X-Complaints-To: news@bctel.net X-Trace: news.bctel.net 925013674 209.52.192.39 (Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:14:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:14:34 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17033 Hi. I just received my package of bees on apr.21st. and I have been feeding them about two quart sized jars of sugar syrup every day. I just opened up the hive today (apr.24) to see how they were doing. I have six old drawn frames in two hive boxes. They are starting to draw out the new foundation in the remaining frames and they are partially filled with honey and the odd one with pollen. I couldn't find any eggs yet however.Is this normal? How long should it take before I notice whether the queen is laying yet? Also how long should I continue to feed them? There have been a fairly good number of bees foraging and there are lots of dandelions about so there is lots of food available nearby. Thanks for your help. Jim Grigg From jajwuth@aol.com Sat May 8 06:43:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar observation hive Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 May 1999 20:12:40 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990506161240.10854.00000124@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17034 the design of a top bar hive makes it a ggod candidate to make an observation hive. Is there any other reason to make an observation hive other than looking at bees. Is being able to see into the beehive useful for any other beekeeping reason. From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar observation hive Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:24:13 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990506161240.10854.00000124@ngol04.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 6 May 1999 21:20:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 14:25:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp223.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3732072c.32135174@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17035 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Is there any other reason to make an observation hive other than looking at >bees. >Is being able to see into the beehive useful for any other beekeeping reason. A well-designed observation hive can be useful in showing what is happening in the bee yard. A beekeeper can quickly see when nectar is flowing, how strong, whether pollen is being brought in, and whether colony size is increasing or declining. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Hive and the Honeybee" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:36:43 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <926003187.368.62@news.remarQ.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 6 May 1999 21:33:00 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 14:35:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 26 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp223.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37330899.32499766@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17036 "Bob Nelson" wrote: >>A week or so ago, someone mentioned another book similar to The Hive and >>the Honey Bee and recommended it over same. >> >>Does anyone remember what that book was? > >"The Beekeeper's Handbook" (Avitabile and Sammataro, Cornell University >Press,>$25). It is a smaller and more approachable book. It doesn't have as much >detail as "The Hive and the Honeybee" but you don't have to wade through all >the detail to get answers to your questions. "The Beekeepers Handbook" may be a good, practical book for beginners, but it is not even close to "The Hive and the Honey Bee" in completeness. The Hive and the Honey Bee is more of a thorough reference textbook. I don't know of any book that approaches The Hive and the Honey Bee for completeness, although Root's' "ABC & XYZ of Beekeeping" and Morse & Hooper's "Illustrated Encyclopedia of Beekeeping" are both excellent reference books. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Sat May 8 06:43:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead drones Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 06:49:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7gjgu4$a35$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7gis17$2jlm@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 03 06:49:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17037 In article <7gis17$2jlm@news1.newsguy.com>, "Jim Counce" wrote: > While observing the hive today I saw two drones struggling and with further > observation I saw that their abdomens were nearly severed. I am concerned. > Anybody had this problem and what does it indicate with the hive? Thanks > for any help. > > -- > Jim Counce > email mailto:jcounce@jemez.com > home page http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/29/index.html > > Sounds kinda like the damage hornets or yellowjackets do. Usually though, they'll sever the abdomen and fly off with it. Perhaps you disturbed them or some other predator before they were finished. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dnorth@dreamscape.com Sat May 8 06:43:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: any used equipment Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:02:38 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01be981c$bc0b0e60$72fe04d1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.4.254.114 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:02:38 GMT X-Trace: 926035358.379.65 YT7C.J2JDFE72D104C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17038 We are looking for honey house equipment. please email dnorth@dreamscape.com-upstate new york From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:43:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:37:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> <7gqjn5$jjq$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 May 1999 00:38:27 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 17:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip142.raleigh7.nc.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <373235C6.4477@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17039 I had the same problem. No honey flow. I removed all the burs and now we are in a terific honey flow and the gals are pulling the stuff as good as any and no drone cells, but, don't be fooled if the bees want drone cells in the Durigilt they will have them. They are much easiet to remove. Almost impossible on wax foundation. Don From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Message-ID: References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926039572 216.100.28.104 (Thu, 06 May 1999 21:12:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:12:52 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:16:47 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17040 That sounds like fun! Have you checked out Jim Satterfield's topbar hive page? He has links to other pages which show pictures of the hives as they exist in Africa, where they don't have much wood for making frames. What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat May 8 06:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:07:28 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net> <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925925228 nnrp-08:7621 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17041 In article <7gi1jo$ltg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Good points: > >Ornamental; >Double wall keeps inner box very dry; >Extra lift (section of outer box) on top gives space under the roof for >storage - smoker fuel, matches etc; An Additional good point, is that *generally*, bees seem to winter better in a double walled hive. -- Tom Speight From sanford@monmouth.com Sat May 8 06:44:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:45:40 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp210.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17042 Peter Amschel wrote: > Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little > ant access. How is your hive supported? The hive is setting on two piles of concrete paving stone pieces, front and back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? Shari From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Message-ID: References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926039000 216.100.28.104 (Thu, 06 May 1999 21:03:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:03:20 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:07:13 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17043 Thanks for the nice report! Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little ant access. How is your hive supported? Some beekeepers use other mechanical barriers against ants, like axel grease smeared around concrete foundation piers, or grease smeared around the coffee cans the hive sits on, etc. I have not seen your combination nuc frame and topbar hive arrangement, but after your topbar comb gets plenty of action going I'm sure you can just shake the bees off the nuc frames into the hive and get rid of the nuc frames. In article <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com>, sanford@earthling.net says... > First, Thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions and offer > encouragement and exhortations to the new among beekeepers (of whom I am one > ;-)). My first hive is a Top Bar hive we constructed this winter. It's 30 > frames long by 19" wide and deep enough to use a standard nuc for my first > batch of bees. I installed our bees into the hive mid April with the help > of the kind experienced guy who sold them to us (brought the whole box in > the back of the wagon with the entrances screened!) We interspersed the 4 > nuc frames with the first four TBH bars every other one. Got them home, put > on a grease patty (unmedicated) closed em up and let them and my heart rate > get settled. Realized after reading Johnson's many exhortations that I > should probably feed them so we opened them up (my son and I) and put on a > 1/2 gal baggie of green (hehe) sugar syrup. Here in NJ it has been a > somewhat cool slow starting Spring with a few days of really nice weather > only weekly or so. > > Today we checked on the girls to see how it's going and found that the sugar > syrup was still almost full although there were bees eating from one slit > and a line of little sugar ants slurping at the other. Next stop, ant > baits! Question: Should I put them both in and outside? Should I not use > baggies but use a milk jug in the empty back section instead?--I figure the > ants will find it anyway, what would be easiest for the girls? > > During our inspection we looked at each frame starting from the back. So > far 9 frames are being used in the front, the original 4 lang frames and the > 5 tbh bars surrounding them. The comb is lovely and straight on the tb's! > The central 2 are nearly full size with the front and back bars being the > smallest. I did not see any honey in them (or green syrup) or larvae either > but there is a nice block of capped brood (I think) in the front two lang > frames. My son spotted a nice patch of larvae and several pupae. There > does not seem to be many empty cells. HOWever, there are about 4 long > strange looking mud colored cells near the center bottom of both brood > frames. I could not locate the queen but there were LOTS of bees on the > frames. Is this a problem? > > As I moved my way through the hive toward the front and separated bars the > bees would be holding on to each other like long living necklaces! The back > two lang frames were honey--not capped. I shifted them back about halfway > in the box and replaced them with two clean bars from the back. Also placed > a new bar in the front again and one in between the brood frames. I am > hoping that I can phase the old lang frames out of my box completely. It is > much less intimidating to me to see one pair of eyes watching me from the tb > notches than to have the whole top of the box eyeing my every move. Sorry > I'm so longwinded! I just am so enraptured with this whole process and the > amazing complexity of it all! How could this ever have developed by chance?! > > Questions : How do I get the girls off of the lang frames of brood and onto > the newly drawn top bar comb? Can I move brood frames away from the front or > is that a bad idea? What if I wait till it's totally warm weather? > > Will a grease patty work if it is only on top of the bars and the bees don't From arnan@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Arnie Wayne Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasp hives Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:32:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 May 1999 02:32:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 6 19:35:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust27.tnt1.sherman-oaks.ca.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373250D7.81E631E3@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17044 Help........ Can anyone tell me how wasp nests are built. My granddaughter has this for an elementary school project and needs the info by next Monday. Thanks, A. Wayne From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat May 8 06:44:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-138.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Burr Comb (Was: Requeening Question) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:46:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <7gk4mk$i3f$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990503220921.09227.00001807@ng-cn1.aol.com> <3730AC73.E2E8FE1B@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8a X-Server-Date: 5 May 1999 21:48:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17045 > JMitc1014 wrote: > > > > the industrious little > > buggers had essentially built their own third frame of pure comb between the > > other two. > > Realizing that i had been trying too hard, I brushed off the bees and > > removed the slab and as much of the burr comb as I could. There is one frame in my nearly week old hive that has two "spurs" of comb coming off the Duragilt foundation. I removed one yesterday thinking that this would only lead to what you describe above, but today that one's back and there's another one being built. Should I completely remove both of what appears to me to be burr combs? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From amschelp@pe.net Sat May 8 06:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news21.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Message-ID: References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.241 X-Trace: news21.ispnews.com 926052336 216.100.28.241 (Fri, 07 May 1999 00:45:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:45:36 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:49:31 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17046 You could maybe get some of those table legs with built in screws and raise the hive up off the stone mound and then grease the table legs. I guess I'm just stuck on mechanical barriers. In article <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com>, sanford@monmouth.com says... > Peter Amschel wrote: > > > Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little > > ant access. How is your hive supported? > > The hive is setting on two piles of concrete paving stone pieces, front > and back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to > navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I > made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? > > > Shari > From pollinator@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frogs in the honeyhouse (was: Well we needed the rain) Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 1999 06:21:46 GMT References: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990507022146.08633.00000164@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17047 In article <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: >The rain started 3 days ago just as my acre of buckwheat was gonna bloom at 3 >inches tall. The temps started to drop yesterday and i guess its been raining >for the last 40 hours straight with temps below 50 most of the time. Bout 2 >hours ago I awoke to the sound of tree limbs breaking, sounded like hurricane >Fran all over again, no sound of a twister but the damndest winds.Blowing >rain >literally sideways, lasted bout an hour a solid dang hour. Sorry to hear of your loss, Kevin. The rain has just about done in the tupelo honey flow, that was looking soooooo good. Wonder now if the flow will get going again??? We've lost the prime week of the spring honeyflow, anyway. Betcha' we see swarm cells now. Five days of cold rain, three days when the high for the day was an all time record (low), and the water is rising. I have about four inches on the floor in the back of the honeyhouse, and could durn near paddle a canoe around my house. Over seven inches total, and still coming. Well I shouldn't complain. It might not rain again until September. The Clemson meteorologist said the other day (before this storm parked on us) that this season was goin' be so hot and dry, we'd be prayin' for a hurricane. Having been thru Hugo, I can assure him that ain't so, but I am concerned about drought, and at least it is temporarily over......... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Abandoned queen! Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:53:24 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 23 Message-ID: <37326543.565182@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 06 11:52:56 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17048 Here's a lesson I'd like to share: After installing 50 new packages I found one hive which apparently abandoned the caged queen to the cold, with the bees settling to the top of the hive. Not stopping to check for brood, I ordered a queen to replace her. Today I was AMAZED to see they had eggs - and capped worker cells to boot! I'm thinking the package bee company shook a queen into the box by mistake, which is why they abandoned the lower, caged queen. Either this, or the queen which flew away while I was uncorking her (60 yards away or more) found this hive as a home. Next time I'll check for brood before ordering queens & save $8! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From lauramleek@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: At a loss Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 05:11:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17049 I have looked everywhere I know to look but cannot find this info. I have seen on numerous times a bee that looks much like my Italians (Eyetalian for HK1) but the abdomen is orange. It is not glossy like a mason bee, it isn't jointed like a yellowjacket, it's not maroon like a cordovan, it's orange. I have seen them in several different places and too far from my aparies to bee anything I may have mutated. The one thing all these places have in common, which I believe to bee irrelevant, is the Puget Sound. ALL are within a stones throw of saltwater. Any help would bee appreciated. PS I tried all of my beginners books first.......:-) Laura From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Sat May 8 06:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3732F26B.A22C92CB@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catenary Hive References: <19990505212817.28815.00001574@ngol03.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:02:34 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 926084719 24.92.236.85 (Fri, 07 May 1999 09:45:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:45:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17050 I have used a couple of these and was pleased with the results. They are inexpensive and easy to construct. The hive basically conforms the shape of a catenary curve, which is the shape of naturally-built combs (initially, anyway). Comb-to-wall attachment was virtually nonexistent in my (albeit casual) trials. Combs were very easy to remove for inspection. The bees also wintered well in a single chamber. I pretty much followed Mr. Bielby's plans as described in his book, with a few modifications. The hive is intended as a multi-story affair (supers are tiered), unlike the Kenya top-bar hive and other long-idea hives. There are bee-spaces between the bars, as with frames, so the bars don't form a covering as in the KTBH. In all, an interesting, serviceable hive, and cheap, but not an all-in-one unit, since stories must be added for the surplus. (These can just be simple boxes with appropriately spaced, fixed comb-bars.) There is the advantage of being able to super with regular frame supers and remove the crop with an extractor. Jajwuth wrote: > Is any body using a Catenary Hive. It is described in the book Home Honey > Production. It is a form of a top bar hive. I would like to know more about > them. > I am considering making and using them. > > Thanks > Al From shuston@riverace.com Sat May 8 06:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.shore.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with weak hive Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:55:06 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3732F0B9.77BE55B8@riverace.com> References: <7gs8qc$m03$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 May 1999 13:55:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17051 Warning... this is my first season at beekeeping. But I've been reading a lot and the lethargy symptom rings a bell - maybe they have Nosema? If so, Fumidil-B is warranted. I don't know if requeening is needed in this case or whether she'll recover. -Steve Jerome R. Long wrote: > > I have been keeping one or two hives for about 28 years and have a new > problem. My one hive was great last year, went into the winter strong and made > it through the winter with lots of honey left over...but they have not made a > spring build up. Very few bees fly on the best of days. A month ago I put in > Apistan, but did not pull any frames. Yesterday I took the whole hive apart > and found several things odd to me. 1.) Very little response to disturbance. > 2.) About four frames of healthy looking but lethargic bees. 3.) One side of > one frame with a patch of sealed worker brood in the center (about 20% of a > frame side) and a few cells (maybe 10% of frame) of larvae and eggs. 4.) I > could not find the queen anywhere. 5.) No queen cells. 6.) No drone cells. > My first inclination is to order a package of bees and queen and to unite the > two hives. If I do that, must I find and kill the old queen first? This has > always been my impression, but what if I cannot find her? > Suppose I separate the new package from the existing chambers by a combination > of sheets of newspaper AND a queen excluder? Would this result in the old > queen taking out a swarm? > She is obviously laying at about 10% of normal for this time of year. Would > this mean she might not have the size of a good layer and be mistaken for a > worker. I doubt it. Even a virgin queen looks quite different. But something > is laying a few fertilized eggs so there must be a queen somewhere. > Questions: 1.) Is this a syndrome anyone recognizes and can explain. 2.) How > hard is it to get a package of bees ordered this late? 3.) Why the lethargy > 4.) Why no queen cells? -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat May 8 06:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <7ODY2.121$Rl3.6501@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:42:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926091523 209.69.69.147 (Fri, 07 May 1999 10:38:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:38:43 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17052 I love his site- I have recommended it to many people! I am not familiar with the Taliban- Is that another living history group? the SCA has contact with and overlaps a lot of other "Dress up" groups. (N.E.R.O., The Tuchucks, and many others) Some are more history oriented, some much more fantasy oriented than the SCA itself. Most SCA members welcome these outside groups at SCA events so long as they are willing to "play nice" as it were and live within SCA rules for armour and fighting. (If they are participating in those events.) For the living history demonstrations we do we try to be as historically accurate as we can- but we are realistic about using moden methods and materials where necessary. (Like beekeeping.) It is hard to draw a line sometimes though. I can't justify actually keeping bees in skeps, no matter how proper it may be.... Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.119bdedb81312d98989926@news.pe.net... > That sounds like fun! > > Have you checked out Jim Satterfield's topbar hive page? He has links to other > pages which show pictures of the hives as they exist in Africa, where they don't > have much wood for making frames. > > What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? > From bobpursley@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net.MISMATCH!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 1999 17:04:59 GMT References: <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990507130459.17932.00000242@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17053 In article <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" writes: >Visually, Taliban is what you'd >get if you crossed the Amish with the Nazi party. Goodness. Cleanshaven Amish? Hard to believe. bob From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Sat May 8 06:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wasps and honeybees Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:33:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gv14b$cna$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:33:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17054 In article <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: > I have looked everywhere I know to look but cannot find this info. I have seen > on numerous times a bee that looks much like my Italians (Eyetalian for HK1) > but the abdomen is orange. It is not glossy like a mason bee, it isn't jointed do you think honeybees and yellow jackets look similar to the untrained eye? they do to me, (i am new at beekeeping). i am going to pick up my hive on 5-13. every year i find a wasp nest. i read in an old book "spell of the honey bee" i should destroy the nest and any yellowjackets i find. is this correct? should i put out a yellow jacket trap or will honeybees get trapped? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From djkc6ssf@sonic.net Sat May 8 06:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!d130.nas1.oak.sonic.net!user From: djkc6ssf@sonic.net (David Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:22:31 -0700 Organization: None! Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d130.nas1.oak.sonic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17055 In article <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote: > i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous > nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? i > am planning on getting rid of my wisteria anyway, but it may take another > month or two. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own It may be poisonous to us but Bees love them. Sunset Western Garden book lists it in the "Attracts bees" catagory. David jackson. From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> <924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: The q.... feeding bees Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:15:45 +0100 Lines: 101 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d33.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:23 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17056 I'm fairly new at this game but I hived a swarm 2 weeks ago on undrawn foundation and because the weather turned cold and wet I stuck in a block of about 1.5kg of homemade candy. When I checked yesterday they had drawn at least 9 frames had 3 good frames of sealed brood. The candy had gone and they had filled the bottom space with brace comb. I gave them a super to fill instead. One of my neighbouring beekeepers (15 colonies) has warned me several times not to feed with sugar syrup because it promotes robing. I'm in the south of the UK and wasps can apparently be quite a problem as can other bees if you feed syrup. And I did loose a small swarm to wasps last August when feeding syrup. Candy is also dead easy to give, just place it on the top bars, using a spare box as a spacer. However my swam control is not so good, my apiary of 3 hives has produced 4 swarms in the last 2 weeks. RJ (rj@kiff.net) Bob Nelson wrote in message news:924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com... > > >OK, I wonder though if when people say pull the frames in a few days to > check > >for eggs, they are referring to checking in frames with previously drawn > comb. > > Yes > > > > >How many days should I allow to pass for the bees to draw comb in which the > >queen can lay eggs before I open the hive to check if she has actually > begun > >laying eggs? > > To start with if you're on only foundation you should be feeding sugar syrup > to help the little buggers draw wax as it takes syrup or honey flow for the > bees to secrete wax. I like to leave em alone for a week. It's hard to do > but it will lessen the chance of them killing a newly released queen. Even > though they have accepted her she's still new to them and proving her worth > by starting to lay eggs. The bees are also nervous about the comotion and > will jump on her and kill her if they're not quite sure. > > When should I start worrying that the queen may be missing? > > > Give em a week. If they're buzzing ( not from you smoking them too heavy > and there are no eggs present) she's probably a goner. If in doubt leave em > a few more days. After 10 days to 2 weeks cut your loss and combine with > another hive. You could have given them some brood from another hive by now > and if she's gone they'll be raising a new queen. Leave them alone from > this point for 23 days. If they get the job done she should be hatched, > mated and laying by then. > > >but it should be pretty obvious shouldn't it? > > > May not be. They start the wax from the mid rib of foundation and with it > all light colored can be easy for untrained eye to miss. Let alone the eggs > against the light colored back ground. You'll know an egg when you see it. > If you can't see it and have reasonably good vision and light it probably > isn't there. > > >Will the bees be drawning comb on one frame at a time, or will they begin > on > >multiple frames? > > You ask too many questions, I didn't realize what I got myself into. > They'll usually start with one side of one and work opposite it on the next > frame over. Help them out and put them back in the same order you remove > them. > > Am I correct in assuming that I have to wait for the bees to > >draw comb before I can find queen eggs? > > There will be eggs present before the cells are fully drawn on foundation. > That (hopefully) young queen is gung ho to proliferate and will fill the > cells as the workers can prepare them and care for the new brood. Once > again help them out with some sugar syrup. > Take no offense on the crack about too many questions, they're good ones. > Good luck. Bob Nelson > > From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7fo8hh$i5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7g7sid$42j$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <372F2446.FB66797F@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:13:50 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d32.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:22 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17057 This seem to be a popular "thead" There's a bit of a difference from the correct spelling in English english to that used in American english. But forget about that, it's all them strange words you use for objects that's confusing Rj England, UK Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message news:372F2446.FB66797F@worldnet.att.net... > There's more to literacy than correct spelling. The quotation, not > adage, comes from Man and Superman by George B. Shaw: "He who can does. > He who cannot, teaches." > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > Again I agree - but it is important that we do not disadvantage our students > > by our own lack of knowledge; we should not learn at our pupils expense. > > There is an old adage ' those that can, do - those that can't, teach'. From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> <372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Splitting Hives. Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:31:22 +0100 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d30.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:20 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17058 Try Candy instead of syrup workerbee wrote in message news:372C3D1D.4ACE@earthlink.net... > John Drain wrote: > > > > How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out > > of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at > > the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the > > end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, > > put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All > > feed back appreciated. > > > > Regards. > > > > John Drain. > > jondrain@southnet.co.nz > I think that one needs at least 4 frames of brood to start a new > hive(maybe three) and if it is done one month before the honey flow a > surplus can be expected. One must however fill the hive with pulled comb > because the bees will not pull it without a honey flow. My experience > also tells me that feeding sugar water increases brood production but > not necessarily comb building. I have started new hives with a two frame > observation hive but they are very slow to take off. I normally add a > frame or two of brood to help them along. > > Don > From rjk@softhome.net Sat May 8 06:44:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:12:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.198.17 Message-ID: <37333d31.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 20:21:21 GMT, 195.34.198.17 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.198.17 Lines: 51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17059 I believe the thornes are made of American red cedar and the quality is good. I have 3 second-hand wbc's (only one with a colony at present) but I got 10 new thornes supers last year, they were flat packed seconds but the machining was still good. I also have 5 colonies in Nationals (thornes) which use the same frames but the wbc's are still good for permanent sites (don't get them if you want to move them much though) and they do look pretty RJ Alan Craig wrote in message news:37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com... > On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom > wrote: > > > >Jajwuth wrote: > >> > >> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive > >> > >> thank you > >> > >> all > > > >The only source I have found is the BeeWorks in Cabnada and they are > >simply reselling materials from Thornes in England. > > Thornes will ship, although it might turn out to be expensive. I > can't tell where you are from your address, but assuming North > America, my current Thorne's catalogue says: > > WBC (flat pack) Complete (inc frames + foundation + queen excluder) > > £188.70 + £82.70 p&p = £271.40 ~= $450 > > WBC (flat pack) empty > > £158.83 + £82.70 p&p = £241.53 ~= $400 > > They're on the web at > > http://www.thorne.co.uk > > Alan From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat May 8 06:44:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:40:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> To: Beetools X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail CC: Hk1BeeMan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 May 1999 20:41:11 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri May 7 13:45:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust233.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37334FAB.5F28@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17060 Beetools wrote: > > I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the > number of hives you keep. > > Ron Bennett > Luckimaute Bee I must be getting stupider by the day. How bout you Kevin Johnson? By the way, where did you get your book learning and what kind is it? Got mine up in em r mountains near Asheville and graduated from all them grades dat them folks offered. BTW we are having Bee Friendly Day tomorrow and afterwards are going after a bunch of bees in an old house. Don From lauramleek@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 22:46:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> Message-ID: <19990507184642.13176.00000525@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17061 What type of apple trees do you have? I was told in my beginning bee class that Gravensteins are a triploid, therefore are sterile. There is MUCH more to this and I do not understand it all but maybe one of the old salts can expound on this. Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble bee hives in the UK Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 00:04:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gvrpp$que$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926118521 27598 62.136.12.209 (7 May 1999 23:08:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 23:08:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17062 Try a market gardener who uses them for pollination under glass. They usually come in polystyrene or cardboard 'hives' which are then thrown away at the end of the season. Nick Templar wrote in message ... >Folks > >I don't get called to swarms these days - because Varroa has killed off all >the feral bees and the colonies belonging to lazy beekeepers. > >What I do get is enquiries about Bumble bees - like this evenings. "I was >digging up the end of the garden and I found this bees nest, can you help?" > >When it's a dear old (insistent) lady how can I say no? But where can you >buy a decent Bumble Bee hive in the UK these days? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wasps and honeybees Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 00:02:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gvrpn$que$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv14b$cna$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926118519 27598 62.136.12.209 (7 May 1999 23:08:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 23:08:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17063 If it is fluffy then it is probably one of the solitary bees. Wasps are usually only a nuisance (here at least) from the late summer onwards (late July) when their numbers are large - traps are then a very good idea. cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote in message <7gv14b$cna$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com>, > lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: >> I have looked everywhere I know to look but cannot find this info. I have seen >> on numerous times a bee that looks much like my Italians (Eyetalian for HK1) >> but the abdomen is orange. It is not glossy like a mason bee, it isn't jointed >, or Start Your Own From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:59:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gvrpm$que$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926118518 27598 62.136.12.209 (7 May 1999 23:08:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 23:08:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17064 It sounds as if the bees may have found something more attractive - what are they working is the question. There is also the possibility that the bees are working the apples at certain times of the day when you are not around - different species of plants yield nectar and pollen at varying times of day and the bees will work the most attractive crop, so they may work several crops during the course of the day. >Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not >yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Sat May 8 06:44:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7gsl1n$lic$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:57:41 +0100 Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.201.149 Message-ID: <373363a1.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 23:05:21 GMT, 195.34.201.149 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.201.149 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17065 I have heard that placing a sheet of glass across the outward flight path is very good as it forces them to re orientate themselves in their confusion personally I have not had cause to use it yet! anyone tried it? -- Rj England UK bees@kiff.net Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7gsl1n$lic$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Short answer is 'Yes'. Most of the bees will fly back to the old site. > > Best way is to move them to a new site > 3 miles from either the old or the > proposed new site for 6-8 weeks and then move them to the new site. This > may not be too unprofitable a task if he can move them on to a good crop for > a while. > > Alternatively: > 1 Move them in winter when they have not flown for 3 weeks. Not the best > option as they will be in need of a cleansing flight and will soil the > combs - this does not help with diseases such as nosema and amoeba. These > is also the possibility of them balling and losing the queen, or even being > dislodged from the combs and dying on the floor if it is really cold. In > other words, if you must do it this way, do it very gently. > 2 If there is no choice, move them (at night, obviously) and then pile > grass or other vegetation very loosely all over the hive so that they have > to fight their way out (but do not block the entrance so that they > suffocate!), therefore realise that something has changed and have a good > look around before flying off. > > MS wrote in message ... > >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about > >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet > or > >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? > > > From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Sat May 8 06:44:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <7gkpmu$jkv@news1.snet.net> Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:58:16 +0100 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.201.149 Message-ID: <373363a1.1@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 23:05:21 GMT, 195.34.201.149 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.201.149 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17066 Personally my favorite book is Clive de Bruyn's Practical Beekeeping It's probably a bit UK based for some and I would not class it as a detailed reference book but it is practical and informative. -- Rj England UK bees@kiff.net Robert Sheahan <"Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com> wrote in message news:7gkpmu$jkv@news1.snet.net... > Please allow me to add my 2 cents to Kevin Johnson's post. I agree that > having a good book _and_using_it_ is more important than having a smoker. I > also agree that "The Hive and the Honeybee" is an excellent reference, but > when I teach newbees, especially those pressed for time, I prefer "The > Beekeeper's Handbook" (Avitabile and Sammataro, Cornell University Press, > $25). It is a smaller and more approachable book. It doesn't have as much > detail as "The Hive and the Honeybee" but you don't have to wade through all > the detail to get answers to your questions. > > Also, while most commercial beekeepers can't afford to do so, many hobbyists > will gladly take a newbee or two "under their wing" for the company and > conversation. I have two myself, and wound up marrying one of them ;-) > > Places to look for classes or mentors include your state's Ag extension, > local colleges, in the yellow pages under beekeepers, the message board of > your local beekeeping supply store, this newsgroup, and your local town hall > (our state entomologist put out a request for beekeepers to register with > their local town halls to help homeowners with honeybee problems, other > states may have done the same). > > Good luck to you all and welcome! > > Robert Sheahan, hobbyist of 10 years. > > > > > From twentyone@clara.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp2.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble bee hives in the UK Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:10:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.89.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp2.clara.net 926111439 195.8.89.230 (Fri, 07 May 1999 22:10:39 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:10:39 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17067 Folks I don't get called to swarms these days - because Varroa has killed off all the feral bees and the colonies belonging to lazy beekeepers. What I do get is enquiries about Bumble bees - like this evenings. "I was digging up the end of the garden and I found this bees nest, can you help?" When it's a dear old (insistent) lady how can I say no? But where can you buy a decent Bumble Bee hive in the UK these days? Presently I have a lovely Queen Bumble in a Apidea mating hive which I want to use next week to raise a Queen Bee! - any ideas folks? If I leave her in the Apidea, do I need to empty the candy out of the rear section? (I understand that Bumble hives have two compartments.) And - will it be big enough? I need to read a book really I suppose - but any ideas or comments? regards Nick From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sat May 8 06:44:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:30:46 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <373385B6.28640C55@worldnet.att.net> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.214 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926123413 18011 12.72.2.214 (8 May 1999 00:30:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 00:30:13 GMT To: mski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17068 Perhaps you have been feeding your bees. If they are getting syrup delivered to their front doors, why should they fly 300 feet for what may or may not be a particularly tasty apple nectar. I would consider doing two things: moving the bees under the trees and interrupting their feeding, each hive staggered one day at a time. This could compromise the interests of the apple blossoms and the bees. mski wrote: > > From this question, you'll be able to tell that I'm a newbee. I've > started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're > suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) > > One of the main reasons I've decided to pick up beekeeping was to have > my fruit trees properly pollinated. I only have two apple trees next > to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about > 60% of the blossoms in bloom). > > Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not > yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. > Now I know that distance isn't a factor, for I've seen bees en mass > visiting single trees further away. > > Am I just overly concerned that my bees are neglecting my apple trees > or are my fears warranted? Is there anything I can do? > > Thanks, > Mark From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Sat May 8 06:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!mail2.es.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: getting first hive 5-13-99 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:28:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7gv0qr$ci8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:28:34 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17069 well, i am going to pick up my first 2-story colony of bee next thursday!!! hurray!!! i live in se michigan in a big city. questions the dandelions and the trees and shrubs have already flowered,i havent been able to plant clover or buckwheat, i have blue flax coming in, but frankly i dont see much else they could feed on. should i feed them sugar water in may? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rjk@REMOVEsofthome.net Sat May 8 06:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> <370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:03:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.199.212 Message-ID: <37335670.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 7 May 1999 22:09:04 GMT, 195.34.199.212 Organization: FreedotNet Subscriber Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.199.212 Lines: 80 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17070 If you are going to peek a lot get a "glass quilt" its a purpose made glass "top cover" so that you can look with out disturbing the bees for best effect use when dark with a small torch make sure the hole is covered with a grid to stop the bees flying up at you Rj England UK wrote in message news:370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net... > I'm new at beekeeping (OK, very new - I have built my first two hives and pick up > the bees next week). Are you saying that you do no treatments for tracheal > mites? Nothing? Not even grease patties? Is this common? Can I expect my bees > to make it if I don't treat the tracheal mites? > > I will be a small hobbyist but I have hopes to expand some day so I want to do > things right. It will be very easy for me to over pamper my two hives and do > things that are not economically feasible for someone trying to make a living with > bees but I really think I would like to manage the hives in a manner that is > fairly close to the management practices that I might use if I had a bunch of > hives (OK, I know I'm going to peek more often than a "real" beekeeper! At least > at first!). > > I have to admit that I had planned on providing every mainstream treatment that > I've read about. And probably some that aren't so mainstream. > > Thanks for sharing your experience with us in the newsgroup. > > Bill Daniels > > Pollinator wrote: > > > From: "Freeserve News" > > > > >I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY > > >BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON > > >THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, > > >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD > > >VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. > > > > Please don't shout. (capital letters) > > > > I would suspect tracheal mites first. More and more, our bees are resistant to > > tracheal mites. Did you purchase bees from a breeder who treats for tracheal > > mites (thereby not developing a resistant strain)? If you do, you are > > compelled to continue treating. > > > > Are you in an area with poor fall pollen, or were the bees poor gatherers? > > The latter would again be a tracheal mite indicator. > > > > There are other possibilities, but we saw thousands of hives do just this, > > during the heyday of the tracheal mite era....... > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:44:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:51:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7h06d3$jgr$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7fo8hh$i5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7g7sid$42j$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <372F2446.FB66797F@worldnet.att.net> <37333d32.0@news.thefree.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17071 "rj" wrote: >This seem to be a popular "thead" >There's a bit of a difference from the correct spelling in English english >to that used in American english. But forget about that, it's all them >strange words you use for objects that's confusing >Rj England, UK I found it amusing that Peter picked up on english without the capitol E but american looked ok to him. But it's ok because we won the war. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat May 8 06:44:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:54:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7h06jj$jgr$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17072 cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote: >i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous >nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? i >am planning on getting rid of my wisteria anyway, but it may take another >month or two. >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Wisteria was in full bloom here in southern Maryland a couple of weeks ago. I stopped to look and bees were all over them. I will collect the seed pods this year! Ah another noxis weed on the farm! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 8 06:44:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:35:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gsl1n$lic$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926013303 22092 62.136.7.6 (6 May 1999 17:55:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 17:55:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17073 Short answer is 'Yes'. Most of the bees will fly back to the old site. Best way is to move them to a new site > 3 miles from either the old or the proposed new site for 6-8 weeks and then move them to the new site. This may not be too unprofitable a task if he can move them on to a good crop for a while. Alternatively: 1 Move them in winter when they have not flown for 3 weeks. Not the best option as they will be in need of a cleansing flight and will soil the combs - this does not help with diseases such as nosema and amoeba. These is also the possibility of them balling and losing the queen, or even being dislodged from the combs and dying on the floor if it is really cold. In other words, if you must do it this way, do it very gently. 2 If there is no choice, move them (at night, obviously) and then pile grass or other vegetation very loosely all over the hive so that they have to fight their way out (but do not block the entrance so that they suffocate!), therefore realise that something has changed and have a good look around before flying off. MS wrote in message ... >Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about >1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or >over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? From sanford@earthling.net Sat May 8 06:44:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: "sanford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new top bar hive Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:07:44 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp121.monmouth.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17074 First, Thanks to all of you who take the time to answer questions and offer encouragement and exhortations to the new among beekeepers (of whom I am one ;-)). My first hive is a Top Bar hive we constructed this winter. It's 30 frames long by 19" wide and deep enough to use a standard nuc for my first batch of bees. I installed our bees into the hive mid April with the help of the kind experienced guy who sold them to us (brought the whole box in the back of the wagon with the entrances screened!) We interspersed the 4 nuc frames with the first four TBH bars every other one. Got them home, put on a grease patty (unmedicated) closed em up and let them and my heart rate get settled. Realized after reading Johnson's many exhortations that I should probably feed them so we opened them up (my son and I) and put on a 1/2 gal baggie of green (hehe) sugar syrup. Here in NJ it has been a somewhat cool slow starting Spring with a few days of really nice weather only weekly or so. Today we checked on the girls to see how it's going and found that the sugar syrup was still almost full although there were bees eating from one slit and a line of little sugar ants slurping at the other. Next stop, ant baits! Question: Should I put them both in and outside? Should I not use baggies but use a milk jug in the empty back section instead?--I figure the ants will find it anyway, what would be easiest for the girls? During our inspection we looked at each frame starting from the back. So far 9 frames are being used in the front, the original 4 lang frames and the 5 tbh bars surrounding them. The comb is lovely and straight on the tb's! The central 2 are nearly full size with the front and back bars being the smallest. I did not see any honey in them (or green syrup) or larvae either but there is a nice block of capped brood (I think) in the front two lang frames. My son spotted a nice patch of larvae and several pupae. There does not seem to be many empty cells. HOWever, there are about 4 long strange looking mud colored cells near the center bottom of both brood frames. I could not locate the queen but there were LOTS of bees on the frames. Is this a problem? As I moved my way through the hive toward the front and separated bars the bees would be holding on to each other like long living necklaces! The back two lang frames were honey--not capped. I shifted them back about halfway in the box and replaced them with two clean bars from the back. Also placed a new bar in the front again and one in between the brood frames. I am hoping that I can phase the old lang frames out of my box completely. It is much less intimidating to me to see one pair of eyes watching me from the tb notches than to have the whole top of the box eyeing my every move. Sorry I'm so longwinded! I just am so enraptured with this whole process and the amazing complexity of it all! How could this ever have developed by chance?! Questions : How do I get the girls off of the lang frames of brood and onto the newly drawn top bar comb? Can I move brood frames away from the front or is that a bad idea? What if I wait till it's totally warm weather? Will a grease patty work if it is only on top of the bars and the bees don't seem to bother with it at all? Should I try to hang it inside the hive near the brood? If they are not eating the sugar syrup should I keep it in there? Things are in heavy bloom around here now but today (kinda cloudy and mid 50's) there were a few bees sipping when we opened the cover. Thanks so much for all your patience and shared wisdom! Shari From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:47:57 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7h0cn9$q1g@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 07 8:57:29 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17075 mski wrote in message <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net>... >I've started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're >suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) > >I only have two apple trees next >to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about >60% of the blossoms in bloom). > >Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not >yet visited these trees. > >Thanks, >Mark Is the dandilion in bloom where you're at? Since you didn't give a location it would be hard for me to tell. A number of things could be the result. As Peter mentioned, another bloom could be in progress. I know in many areas dandilions bloom about the same time as apple, and many apple growers that rent bees for pollination mow the dandilions when the bees arrive or the apple blossoms get ignored (they aren't as desirable). Also, the apple blossum, being a rosaceous fruit, is an open-type that can have the nectar washed out by rain or dew. When the dilution reaches a certain point the bees go elsewhere (unless collecting pollen--especially in the earlier part of the day) until the sugar concentration increases through evaporation and nectary secretion. You say you've seen the bees really work trees farther away, were these apple trees they were working? Could you tell if they were predominatly collecting pollen, nectar or both? --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:58:36 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co60-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 07 10:58:40 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17076 Today we finally had a break in the weather in Colorado and swarm season drifted upon us! I just got back from a house which I showed the home-owner how 'nice' the bees are when in a swarm cluster by placing my bare hand into the mix. Open jaw and insert foot, because I was immediately met by angry bees on my forehead, arm & finger as I retracted my hand. In all my swarms, I've never been stung until now - unless of couse, I crush one. Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented by neighborhood kids for the last four days. The swarm found several places to cluster around the house and one unfortunate bush was the stage for a malady of sticks & rocks thrown & dropped on them. Matthew Westall (with three 'nice' & one 'not-so-nice' swarms to show for today) // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sat May 8 06:44:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:35:22 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7h0eka$rb2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 07 9:30:02 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17077 fltdeck1 wrote in message <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented >by neighborhood kids for the last four days. The swarm found several >places to cluster around the house and one unfortunate bush was the >stage for a malady of sticks & rocks thrown & dropped on them. > >Matthew Westall Actually Matthew, it may not have been the "stick and stones" from the neighborhood kids so much as the fact that the bees were clustered for four days before finding a home. As you already know, when honey bees leave the hive they gorge themselves with honey for both existance, and fuel to start the colony off with wax combs. When all this is used up in just surviving it can get them pretty cross. A lot of beekeepers (including myself, as it makes logical sense) refer to swarm clusters that have gone through this hardship and used up their honey supply as "dry" swarms, and dry swarms can be quite nasty! The first dry swarm I hived was calmed down a little bit by repeated misting with sugar water while still clustered for about an hour or so. Once hived (and fed a gallon of sugar syrup) they became quite gentle and I was glad I put up with the suicide mass (though luckely I had a bee suit on and didn't suffer your fate!). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat May 8 06:44:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 07:48:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37334FAB.5F28@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990508034804.12586.00000856@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17078 > where did you get your book learning and what kind is it? Got Mines learnin came uponst me in de presents of the great fred deer in de county a wake at de learnin place Ise also gradiated frum de schools a hard knoks in da county a harnett. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: 8 May 1999 06:16:03 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7h0kr3$5g9$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <372DE6ED.13F76101@bellsouth.net> <7gl0mr$328$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17079 In article <7gl0mr$328$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, > >there is no way that it can adequately cover the whole range of subjects >relevant to beekeeping, e.g. plant biology and pollination; changes in >farming practices; bee anatomy, physiology and pathology; the chemistry and >physics of honey; legislation relating to the extraction and packing of >honey - and so on. You forgot honey bee behavior. :( So with all the yammering going on, I still don't know if virgin queens/virgins fight in a swarm or in a new hive. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Book FAQ (was Re: A word of Advice) Date: 8 May 1999 05:45:06 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7h0j12$5bm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17080 In article <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >What book to buy you ask ??????? > >The "bible" of beekeeping for @ 90 years has been " The Hive and The Honey Bee" >Its available from Dadant, been revised many times over the years and includes >everything, from the story of Rev. Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth and the >discovery of the bee space, to marketing and selling honey. There is a beekeeping book FAQ archived on http://metalab.unc./edu/bees browse under "pointers". I recommend _The Beekeeper's Handbook_ by Sammataro and Avitable, available now in a new edition. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Book FAQ (was Re: A word of Advice) Date: 8 May 1999 06:34:38 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7h0ltu$5id$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <7h0j12$5bm$1@golux.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17081 In article <7h0j12$5bm$1@golux.radix.net>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > >There is a beekeeping book FAQ archived on http://metalab.unc./edu/bees >browse under "pointers". that's http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Pardon. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 07:46:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990508034653.12586.00000855@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17082 >I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the >number of hives you keep. > >Ron Bennett >Luckimaute Bee > I wouldn't say that. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From znau@quik.com Wed May 12 07:17:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.intelenet.net!news.quik.com!not-for-mail From: "Znau" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Info Request Lines: 17 Organization: Primes Research X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.213.146.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@quik.com X-Trace: newsfeed.intelenet.net 926172001 209.213.146.175 (Sat, 08 May 1999 07:00:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 07:00:01 PDT Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:00:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17083 Hello, I am interested in learning about honeybees. I live in South Carolina so if there is a site or two that would contain regional info that would be great. Otherwise I am just looking for some info on perhaps the best book to read to get started ? Or perhaps a website that has info. Any help would be appreciated . Thanks in advance. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Znau znau@quik.com In search of the 1,000,000 digit prime. Primes found: 1287*2^32000+1 (9637 digits) Beginner beekeeper ! From griffes@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:17:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: florida africanized bee finds Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:24:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7h1ad0$b30$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37331196.4EC1@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 08 12:24:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17084 In article <37331196.4EC1@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: > 05/06/99 - So Called "Killer Bees" found in Jacksonville Florida Port > > No Evidence of Permanent Florida Population of African Honey Bees Yet > Found > > A press release by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer > Services (FDACS) dated May 5, > 1999 announced detection and destruction of two swarms of African honey > bees found near the port of > Blount Island in Jacksonville. Both were found in bait hives placed by > FDACS for intercepting these kinds > of honey bees that might come off ships. The bait hives were located in a > container yard holding cargo > shipped from Puerto Rico, which has an established African honey bee > population. An additional 24 bait > hives will be placed throughout the port and follow up inspections are > scheduled to determine if other > colonies exist. > > This detection marks the first time in Florida that African bee swarms > have been detected in bait hives. > Previous swarms have been reported by ship’s crews or dockworkers, who > have been alerted to look for > bees by state, USDA and customs officials. Swarms have been found 17 > other times since 1983. Thanks for keeping us up to speed on this. Coming in via shipping containers is a problem that can bring AFB or some yet "unknown to us" bee pest right into the heartland. Rapid movement and accidental introduction of agricultural pests is one downside to the marvel of rapid transit. We here in my area have had a confirmed AFB swarm come in in dead of our winter in the shipping container that came to a local factory. It happened about 3 winters back if memory serves and a beekeeper friend of mine from Clinton, MI went to take a look-see and collect a sample for positive ID. They were quite simply set back outside - let to get chilled and brushed off into the snow. They had started sending out a few scouts when set inside for a while where it was warmer. No one got stung and I don't recall the media ever getting a hold of the story. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI, USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen hives-why would they work Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 13:37:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990508093726.08498.00000763@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17085 Why would a two-queen hive be more productive that a single queen system? Seems like they can only lay so many eggs and the bees can only bring in so much honey. So why would a double queen systme be materially any different than two hives with two queens side by side? From beetools@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble bee hives in the UK Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 15:52:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990508115241.10232.00000741@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17086 I'm no expert on Bombus, but I do have a set of plans for Bumble Bee hives on my website that have proved very successful in the field. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From beetools@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 15:49:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> Message-ID: <19990508114913.10232.00000736@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17087 Don't worry about not seeing bees on your trees. Fruit trees, like all flowering plants only have nectar in the flowers at specific times of the day - you just haven't been watching at the right time of day. Bee hives develop foraging groups and these groups of bees work only a specific plant group (the group that's working apples is a different group form those working cherries, for example) and "know" when it will ahve nectar up in the flower and only visit the flower during those time periods. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From sanford@monmouth.com Wed May 12 07:17:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The q.... feeding bees Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:29:37 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37346671.180C@monmouth.com> References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> <924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com> <37333d33.0@news.thefree.net> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp57.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) To: rj Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17088 rj wrote: > > I'm fairly new at this game but I hived a swarm 2 weeks ago on undrawn > foundation and because the weather turned cold and wet I stuck in a block > of about 1.5kg of homemade candy. Hi rj, Since I am having an ant problem I'd like to try switching to your candy method. Would you share your recipe? Thanks, Shari From hensler@povn.com Wed May 12 07:17:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:48:07 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 21 Message-ID: <372FB167.171A@povn.com> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <7gkum0$1ek$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <372E06B2.219C@midwest.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp202.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17089 AL wrote: > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > > What is IMHO? No doubt I will kick myself when someone tells me! > > "In My Humble Opinion" > > ROFL....AL Yo Al: What is ROFL....AL??? Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:17:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? - follow up on swarm weight Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:12:01 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 40 Message-ID: <37366b64.133263247@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <7h0eka$rb2@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co71-45.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 08 10:12:03 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17090 Thinking back, the hive was light for it's size - to the point I made a comment to the homeowner. But when the words left my mouth, it sounded like more of an excuse for the stings. Following their explanation of the treatment of bees, perhaps either reason was enough to keep them a bit testy - though the length of their memory of their mis-treatment would probably have been dulled in 30 seconds if they were still in their trance-like honey-engorged state. It may be my great luck that I've never encountered a 'dry' swarm before - which I'll take heed to check on the next occasion. It could also be I never noticed while I wore my suit. Also, Kevin the headline was rhetorical - though I appreciate everyone's input. There's just something about swarms in spring that gives a beekeeper excitement - something I hope never wanes in my 'old-as-dirt' beekeeping years. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO >cross. A lot of beekeepers (including myself, as it makes logical sense) >refer to swarm clusters that have gone through this hardship and used up >their honey supply as "dry" swarms, and dry swarms can be quite nasty! > >The first dry swarm I hived was calmed down a little bit by repeated misting >with sugar water while still clustered for about an hour or so. Once hived >(and fed a gallon of sugar syrup) they became quite gentle and I was glad I >put up with the suicide mass (though luckely I had a bee suit on and didn't >suffer your fate!). > >--David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > > > From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed May 12 07:17:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> <7ODY2.121$Rl3.6501@ord-read.news.verio.net> <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:44:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926170927 209.69.69.133 (Sat, 08 May 1999 08:42:07 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 08:42:07 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17091 > > > What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? > > > Never heard them mentioned- But they sound even worse than the "Authenticity Police" that we all avoid like the plague! Elllen From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening with a delayed relaease Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 13:42:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990508094218.08498.00000764@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17092 Need experience "requeener" to tell me what happens if I put a caged queen in a queenless hive (24 hours) and then leave her for 4 to 7 days with the corks still in place. Obviously I don't get egg laying, there is some pheremone but it is not well distributed, the bees get used to the new odor. Would this increase or decrease acceptance? After 5 days could I simply open the cage and release her on the top bars or would they "ball" her? From mosley@mail.myriad.net Wed May 12 07:17:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Jim Mosley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New beekeeper with a question. Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:38:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.162.123.201 X-Trace: 926185171 NMKDWAWQT7BC9D0A2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17093 I am a farmer who has just started beekeeping. How long should I feed my bees after installing the packages? From adamf@vt.edu Wed May 12 07:17:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.newscorp.com!news.delphi.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: 8 May 1999 06:03:57 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h0k4d$5er$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17094 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > >Are you *trying* to make this the sci.agriculture.beekeeping.experts >newsgroup, or is such an agenda only a byproduct of your attitude? > >Mebbe I'm subscribing to the wrong newsgroup. Although I appreciate all >the information I find here, perhaps this NG is for professional >beekeepers with a great number of hives and many years of experience. > >Question for anyone who's bothered to read this diatribe: Is this NG an >appropriate place for a new, hobbyist beekeeper with one hive and no plans >for expansion or is it not? I certainly hope so. All the people who are "old hands" on this newsgroup were new here too once. This phenomena, the FAQ, or "frequently asked question" is an internet paradigm. It happens. Since beekeeping is so variable world-wide, writing a complete beekeeping FAQ was impossible to do realistically. Therefore there are many pointers on the internet to various sources of archived beekeeping information. This USENET truth applies in this newsgroup as in any other one: If you don't like the topic of the thread, or post, don't read it. Pissing and moaning about other people's posts only makes you an annoyance too. Either delete the posts you don't approve of, or kill them. If you don't know how or cannot, read up on newsreading software, and/or get new newsreading software. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 07:41:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990508034114.12586.00000854@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17095 >Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented >by neighborhood kids for the last four days You have answered your own question !! If a swarm hangs for more than about a day and a half they begin to use up their stored honey as food, there by becoming a " dry " swarm. It's always a good idea to take a spray bottle of sugar water along just for this reason, unless you know it's a wet swarm. Never seen a dry swarm yet that wouldn't try to eat you alive !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ddiam@erols.com Wed May 12 07:17:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: David Diamantes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:43:09 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37343F6D.1948@erols.com> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: IADwl/gPMDz9HHSa2UkktrkjDnBKL8phcQKAo9hS/Fc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 13:44:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17096 Had a similar situation with a swar a few years ago. While I assured the neighbors how docile the bees were, I almost decided to handle them with no protective clothing. I cahnged my mind and put on a helmet and net, but was in a golf shirt and jeans. Turns out, they had been there a couple of days and non one told me. They lit me up when I dropped them into a 5 gallon bucket. Everything they say about "dry swarms" is true. They ended up being very good, gentle, productive bees. The neighborhood probably thought Mr. Beekeeper was a nut after they watched me get tagged about nine times until I could get covered up. Glad I put on the head net. From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:17:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:29:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7h27ug$sfq$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17097 NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) wrote: >Today we finally had a break in the weather in Colorado and swarm >season drifted upon us! >I just got back from a house which I showed the home-owner how 'nice' >the bees are when in a swarm cluster by placing my bare hand into the >mix. Open jaw and insert foot, because I was immediately met by angry >bees on my forehead, arm & finger as I retracted my hand. >In all my swarms, I've never been stung until now - unless of couse, I >crush one. >Apparently, the longer story goes that these bees have been tormented >by neighborhood kids for the last four days. The swarm found several >places to cluster around the house and one unfortunate bush was the >stage for a malady of sticks & rocks thrown & dropped on them. I think your ready to hive one up thats been through a thunder storm! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed May 12 07:17:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 May 1999 21:27:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17098 You got a male carpenter bee guarding his territory and investigating everything that moves. He will not harm you- enjoy the airshow. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed May 12 07:17:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. 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Calgary, Alberta Canada T2X 2X7 Bus: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 E-mail: wcbdc@home.com From obriens@sky.net Wed May 12 07:17:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:11:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926208780 209.90.4.177 (Sat, 08 May 1999 19:13:00 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:13:00 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17101 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >>The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. > If you are referring to a penis (I think you might be) take it from an expert on the subject; the top of the head and above the eyes and maybe to some extent, the shoulders are the most painful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" the first time one tries it, though. BTW, I have MS and am doing what is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. John From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:17:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apple blossoms and bees Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:32:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h17mv$mle$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> <373385B6.28640C55@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-55.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 926163487 23214 62.136.18.183 (8 May 1999 11:38:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 11:38:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17102 I would not move them. Six reasons (at least): 1 Bees are often reluctant to forage very close to home - possibly due to the fact that they defaecate as they leave the hive. 2 Bees often do not do well under trees - damp conditions. 3 If branches fall off the tree they can damage the hive. 4 Low branches can make it difficult to work - veils can get caught up and damaged. 5 Picking the crop can be tricky - unless you want to do it in beekeeping gear! 6 It would take a long time to move them a few feet at a time. Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <373385B6.28640C55@worldnet.att.net>... >Perhaps you have been feeding your bees. If they are getting syrup >delivered to their front doors, why should they fly 300 feet for what >may or may not be a particularly tasty apple nectar. I would consider >doing two things: moving the bees under the trees and interrupting their >feeding, each hive staggered one day at a time. This could compromise >the interests of the apple blossoms and the bees. > >mski wrote: >> >> From this question, you'll be able to tell that I'm a newbee. I've >> started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're >> suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) >> >> One of the main reasons I've decided to pick up beekeeping was to have >> my fruit trees properly pollinated. I only have two apple trees next >> to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about >> 60% of the blossoms in bloom). >> >> Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not >> yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. >> Now I know that distance isn't a factor, for I've seen bees en mass >> visiting single trees further away. >> >> Am I just overly concerned that my bees are neglecting my apple trees >> or are my fears warranted? Is there anything I can do? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:17:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:51:39 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3734DC1B.DD9ACFE2@worldnet.att.net> References: <371FED75.B217041@valley.net> <8B533DFCC83DA037.0DE56CF387D4F26A.B8E77B672679D01D@library-proxy.airnews.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926211038 22150 12.72.2.239 (9 May 1999 00:50:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 00:50:38 GMT To: dewitt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17103 In one sense, feeding heavily could mean feeding as much as the bees will take, and feeding lightly would mean something less. Another factor to consider along with the amount is the rate. With your particular device, how many bees can feed at one time? How many holes are punched, and how big are they? What mesh size have you, and how much mesh? I use division boards along with 1 quart Mason jars with holes punched in the lids. In a few hives, I have several jars grouped on the topbars. In those hives, each and every jar seems popular. Most of the hives are 1-2 month old packages, and there is still occasional snow to contend with. They are using 1 gallon of syrup per 1 to 4 days. dewitt wrote: > > >feed HEAVILY. > > Please define above? 1 gallon, 2 gallon, one quart??? > > a gallon every day? > > Put in a gallon and replace when empty? Check every day, week. month? From daffydou@bellsouth.net Wed May 12 07:17:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3734E5C5.EC91A502@bellsouth.net> From: Margaret Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:30:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-216-76-187-58.sld.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:30:26 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17104 I want to buy wholesale from a distributor and sell retail all supplies for the bee keeper. Is ther anyone out there who would have the name of a manufacture company that I can contact. If so , please write to Margaret at daffydou@bellsouth.net From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 02:09:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17105 >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" >the first time one tries it, though. > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. >John Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Wed May 12 07:17:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" References: <7gnqcp$dgu$1@gxsn.com> <37303af6.90148125@news2.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Honey co-op uk Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:05:40 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <#iDvl$vl#GA.276@cpmsnbbsa05> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17106 Dave Hamilton wrote in message > I would also like to know if there is such a think in the US .. places > like Sue-Bee require 40,000 lbs lots .. what is available for someone > with 1000 lbs? I would be more that happy to help start one, if interest let talk. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:17:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!egsner!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:54:11 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7gr4el$k49$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.245 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925963541 20617 12.72.45.245 (6 May 1999 04:05:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 1999 04:05:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17107 I think this is one of those where there is more than 1 correct answer and without the benefit of direct observation some assumptions have to be made. So here is my take. If they are Italians, I would let them complete what they started. The sealed one could emerge today or 10 days from now so ordering a new queen may or may not gain you much and there is always a risk with introduction. In this situation it is conceivable that you could find and destroy the old queen and overlook a virgin from one of the cells. This would be a disaster for any queen you try to introduce. I once had a package that I tried twice unsuccessfully to requeen when I found the original marked queen dead in front of the hive. Each new queen was killed and tossed out. I finally did a frame-by-frame search and after checking each frame what must have been 3 times, lo and behold I spot the most pathetic worker-looking virgin. She got shook into the package and as long as she was there, no other queen had a chance. Back to your situation. You still have a laying queen so it is not like you will be waiting with no new brood while the supercedure is reared and mates. You also have 3 other colonies to pull from if this hive needs a little boost. This is a pretty swarmy spring so there are probably plenty of drones about in western OR. Supercedures are usually pretty good performers as they are well cared for while being reared. If they are a hybrid like Buckfast, no way. Get a new queen from a breeder and make sure you don't have any new queens wandering around. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Casfam1 wrote in message news:19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com... > I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are > doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through > their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection > I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly > solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped > yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. > > Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have > started? > My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages > contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got > to love that plastic foundation). > Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? > I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive > for next year. > As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. > thanks for any help and all the help in the past . > > Gary caswell western Oregon > From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed May 12 07:17:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:55:07 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 925975141 209.69.69.109 (Thu, 06 May 1999 02:19:01 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 02:19:01 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17108 As to the runes, those are on the > fourth side and they are Old Norse designs, prohibited by law. Prohibited by law????? Whose Law? I have embroidered tunics with paragraphs of runic "Graffiti" to the amusement of the others I know who are rune literate, But I never thought of decorating a hive with them... Hmm... "This hive was made By Elen... Beware of flying Valkyrie..." (Well they are warrior maidens!) I am A SCA (Society for creative Anachronisims) Member and I have been investigating TBH's as a compromise between the traditional skeps and boxes, and modern beekeeping techniques. I havent figured out any way to make them look more "Period" for Living history demonstrations tho. I have thought about making a TB obsevation hive in a glass fronted log, but I am afraid it would be difficult to transport safely by myself. (Heavy things those logs...) As for a place to post, what about Geocities.com- I hear they provide free web pages.... Sorry I don't know details.... Ellen Anglin AKA: Elen Greenhand- part time viking, among other things.... From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 May 1999 11:26:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990506072614.13043.00000010@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17109 >American foulbrood is the Armegeddon of the honeybee colony. Destruction by >fire is the only course of action. All tools and clothing must be sterilized >also. I've never had it in my beeyard and I hope I never do. > Very Good Answer Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee supplies Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 02:48:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3734E5C5.EC91A502@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990508224827.08234.00001281@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17110 From: Margaret Howell >I want to buy wholesale from a distributor and sell retail all supplies >for the bee keeper. Is ther anyone out there who would have the name of >a manufacture company that I can contact. If so , please write to >Margaret at daffydou@bellsouth.net Mann Lake has a dealer network. You can find them at: http://www.mannlakeltd.com/index.html Also Dadant & Sons: http://www.dadant.com/ Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:17:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen hive Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 02:45:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17111 Why would you get increased honey production with a 2 queen system as opposed to just splitting the hives? The queen only lays so many eggs, each bee can only bring in so much nectar. From daffydou@bellsouth.net Wed May 12 07:17:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3734EA28.73B50C72@bellsouth.net> From: Margaret Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used wooden ware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:49:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-216-76-187-58.sld.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:49:07 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17112 I have been looking for the same for awhile, found some from a new acquaintance. Not much other luck. Paid plenty for the new boxes. Margaret From p010ne@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: p010ne@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:30:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.11.141.128 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 04 22:30:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; MCI CD V4.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.11.141.128 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17113 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > Greetings all... > > Our first colony of bees will arrive 4/29, and I hope to install them in > their new abode soon after that. > > I'm using the installation procedure detailed in Dadant's "First Lessons > in Beekeeping" as my guide. > > Does anyone have anything to add/change about what they say in the book? > > Thanks! > > -- I am also following the book, but I guess I goofed when I placed the cage between two frames -- about a week later I checked and the bees have drawn out the some comb too far at the top of those frames! (Should I cut that comb even with the rest -- or do the bees even it out eventually?) My queen was released just fine -- the candy was OK. Also, I have been trying to check if the queen is laying eggs, like the book says, but I cannot be certain I see those tiny needle sized cylinders? There are many cells with some dark brown stuff in them in the lower section, but is that the pollen and the eggs are supposed to be in them? I verified that the queen is alive and well -- she has a yellow mark on her! > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: different way to release Queen Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 05:00:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990509010001.25123.00001443@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17114 what would happen if I killed the old queen and then put a new queen in a cage in a hive and left it for 6 days. seems like the bees couldnt kill the new queen and they'd eventually get used to her odor, etc. would this make it more or less likely she would be accepted. if more likely, could you just release her and put her on the top bar? From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!152.163.199.35!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 05:07:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990509010717.19534.00001391@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17115 Your just the person I need to talk to. My fiancee has MS, and we're considering bee sting therapy. It was the original reason I thought I might try raising bees; however, I've turned into a totally nutty hobbyist/wannabee sideliner. I say "considering" because she's pregnant right now so it's not a good time to start a new therapy. She tried the betaseron last year right after she was diagnosed -- made her sicker than the MS (like getting the flu every other day when she took her shot). Blech! Quality of life is a factor here. I'm sure this is all old news to you. My questions -- to start with -- are these: 1) Since I'm now keeping bees for honey, hobby and profit, would you recommend that I keep my medicinal hive(s) separate from my honey hives? How does a medicinal hive differ in its life and honey production from a hive keep for more conventional reasons? 2) Do you keep one hive for therapy or several? 3) As I understand it you need from 15 to 30 bees a day for stinging. What do you do to get bees in the dead of winter? Do you just pop open the hive in 10 degree weather and scoop a cup of bees out of the cluster? Have you ever killed a hive like this? Anything else you think I should be aware of? Thanks, JM From cpullman@ckt.net Wed May 12 07:18:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37350719.F1D00D64@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives-why would they work References: <19990508093726.08498.00000763@ng-ba1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:55:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.23 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 926221963 206.253.50.23 (Sat, 08 May 1999 22:52:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:52:43 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17116 JCHenry500 wrote: > Why would a two-queen hive be more productive that a single queen system? > Seems like they can only lay so many eggs and the bees can only bring in so > much honey. So why would a double queen systme be materially any different > than two hives with two queens side by side? A two gueen hive can be used to build up the hive population quickly for the honey flow, but they are harder to work because of the queen divider and the extra hive bodies.it would probably have to be a strong hive to start out. Like you said the bees would have to work hard to keep up two queens laying. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 May 1999 23:58:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990504195808.11111.00002587@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17117 >We have to keep the bees from getting to the pernicious chemical. We have >to do something quickly. > ****correct***** >f I had the material, I'd put some kind of cheesecloth over the hive a >Alternatively, I'd minimize the entrance to the hive using the >Yes, no, mebbe? **** the above is a bit much, and can definately be used for pesticide spraying near by, as with tobacco sheets soaked with water during aerial bug spraying. The trick to the ?? is that Sevin can be totally neutralized by spraying it with water, so a quick run with the pump up sprayer or garden hose saves the day. Sevin is such a great danger to bees because they will carry it home just like pollen, as a matter of fact it gathers better than some pollens. Sometimes 2-3 frames of dead new brood later on down the road are the only sign that they have been poisoned. ***** Good answer Stretch !!!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: different way to release Queen Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 02:40:18 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990509010001.25123.00001443@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 2:34:55 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17118 JCHenry500 wrote: >what would happen if I killed the old queen and then put a new queen in a cage >in a hive and left it for 6 days. I assume you're refering to leaving the queen cage corked so the bees couldn't eat out the candy. If this is so, then the hive would be without a laying queen until she was released. >seems like the bees couldnt kill the new queen and they'd eventually get used >to her odor, etc. You never know. Queen cages are good little devices, but they are NOT perfect. It has happened that while in a queen cage, queens have had antenae or legs pulled or bitten off by (older) worker bees, and even stung through the cage. This usually happens as she walks on the screen and the bees haven't accepted her as their own. If you kill the old queen and immediately put in the new queen (caged), her chances of getting damaged are higher. If you can't wait 24 hours (read below), at least wait a few hours or more. >would this make it more or less likely she would be accepted. if more likely, >could you just release her and put her on the top bar? IMHO, you're making it more difficult than you have to. Kill the old queen, wait 24 hours then give them the new queen in the cage (uncorked but with a candy plug). The bees will eat out the candy plug and release her. By that time it is very likely that they will have accepted her. Bees know within about an hour the old queen is dead. Giving them 24 hours usually does the trick in having them loose their "memory" of the old queen. A new queen is _usually_ welcome at that point and they _usually_ won't start supercedure cell construction. They should eat the candy out in about 2-3 days, releasing her. By that time her queen pheromone has permiated the hive and they'll _usually_ accept her. I'm sure you've noticed I've included a lot of "_usually_". This is because you never can predict 100% what bees will do 100% of the time. THEY seem to know what's best for them, and it's not unheard of an introduced queen to be killed (even over and over will succeeding introductions of new queens). Sometimes they can tell if the new queen is not a good one and will kill her and raise one their own. A lot depends on the conditions inside the hive, and outside the hive in the environment (i.e.: a strong nectar flow seems to always help queen introductions to be successful). Hope this helps. Yes, you could keep her locked up for six days, then release her manually and it may work just as well, but why bother (unless of course for some reason you're not able to go the hive the next day--long distance outyard)? Releasing her manually may cost you anywhere from 1-3 days of egg laying by the new queen (which may translate into a few thousand bees). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!spool.news.idt.net.MISMATCH!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 04:05:52 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 4:01:29 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17119 I read an article on a web site this evening that states "Opening your hive exposes eggs to ultraviolet light which kills eggs. In theory, you are offing a day's laying by the queen when you go through a hive." ("Basics in Northwest Beekeeping" - 1997). Now I've always been careful when examining brood, larva and eggs to do it quickly (on warm days, and only when needed) to minimize any chilling (which IS harmful). But, when examining eggs in cells I've always done it the way I was taught... sun over my shoulder and the frame at an angle so the sun highlights the little white gems in the bottom of the cells. Have I missed something? I only started working with bees in '89, but I try to stay on top of things. Is this correct (UV light kills eggs)? If it is, how much UV light does it take? When I examine frames it usually doesn't take me but several seconds per side (unless I'm looking for the queen or diagnosing a problem) but I would hate to be killing off a days-worth of future brood each time I do so! Personally, I haven't _noticed_ a slack in population build up after inspecting brood comb (like, I'm sure I would be able to tell if I was missing a thousand or so bees out of 30-60,000+ anyway... not!). But then again, I haven't gone back in to check for UV killed eggs either. One thing I do know... you never stop learning about bees (or beekeeping), but I would have thought I would have heard of this one before now. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From euroxboy@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee boxes & supplies Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 10:11:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3734DF62.44ECD357@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990509061101.13483.00000995@ng68.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17120 You could check Western Bee Supplies http:www.ptinet.net/~stinger Keith From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 12 07:18:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 07:42:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> To: David Scribner X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 9 May 1999 11:43:39 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun May 9 04:45:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 36 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust151.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373574AA.630C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17121 I look in on my observation hive daily and the ultroviliot light does not seem to hurt them. My hive is inside a screened porch and sometimes has direct sunlight on it when I open it up. I have some hives i am experimenting with and open them up in the direct sunlight often and have noticed any problems. DonDavid Scribner wrote: > > I read an article on a web site this evening that states "Opening your hive > exposes eggs to ultraviolet light which kills eggs. In theory, you are > offing a day's laying by the queen when you go through a hive." ("Basics in > Northwest Beekeeping" - 1997). > > Now I've always been careful when examining brood, larva and eggs to do it > quickly (on warm days, and only when needed) to minimize any chilling (which > IS harmful). But, when examining eggs in cells I've always done it the way > I was taught... sun over my shoulder and the frame at an angle so the sun > highlights the little white gems in the bottom of the cells. > > Have I missed something? I only started working with bees in '89, but I try > to stay on top of things. Is this correct (UV light kills eggs)? If it is, > how much UV light does it take? When I examine frames it usually doesn't > take me but several seconds per side (unless I'm looking for the queen or > diagnosing a problem) but I would hate to be killing off a days-worth of > future brood each time I do so! > > Personally, I haven't _noticed_ a slack in population build up after > inspecting brood comb (like, I'm sure I would be able to tell if I was > missing a thousand or so bees out of 30-60,000+ anyway... not!). But then > again, I haven't gone back in to check for UV killed eggs either. > > One thing I do know... you never stop learning about bees (or beekeeping), > but I would have thought I would have heard of this one before now. > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - From jimbo007@webtv.net Wed May 12 07:18:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:30:22 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQUjzKkTwZry4GKJK+plnvur6cS6gIUCeSE9eO2tB1S0CIlxJy7I/BLd04= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17122 I keep my girls in the backyard and always wear white tee shirt and kaiki shorts when I am back there doing yard work or just spying on the girls.(not much yard work gets done) Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. I wore it yesterday afternoon and as I strolled past the hive as I have done a hundred times in the last 6 weeks without incident. 5 bees jumped right on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. It was a shock and an amazement at the same time. I really dont even have to smoke when I inspect. They are usually very stable and stick right on the combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. From jimbo007@webtv.net Wed May 12 07:18:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving the hive ? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:45:41 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <28219-37359185-18@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqhaixU60IJeYlUX+RCWoG+zGaOACFQCK4H+1urbkIW4aaTUfCvibSwO5XA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17123 I had to move a hive in my backyard 15 feet. For two days the bees kept coming home to the original area, flew around for a while and then headed for the new hive location. My question is how in the world do Professional Bee Managers who truck their hives across the country ever get them to settle down ? From allend@internode.net Wed May 12 07:18:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:31:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7h42mu$9so$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.181 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 09 13:31:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.181 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17124 > I read an article on a web site this evening that states "Opening your hive > exposes eggs to ultraviolet light which kills eggs. In theory, you are > offing a day's laying by the queen when you go through a hive." ("Basics in > Northwest Beekeeping" - 1997). > > Now I've always been careful when examining brood, larva and eggs to do it > quickly (on warm days, and only when needed) to minimize any chilling (which > IS harmful). But, when examining eggs in cells I've always done it the way > I was taught... sun over my shoulder and the frame at an angle so the sun > highlights the little white gems in the bottom of the cells. > > Have I missed something? Well, the fact that UV kills eggs and/or young larvae is pretty well known, but I think it takes more than a few seconds. The major problem is that many of us lean the frames up against the hives when we work through, and if we are not careful about the sun angle, they can be directly exposed for quite a little while. The other big killer is dryness. Temperature is not particularly important for larvae. Steve Tabor talked of wrapping a frame with young larvae in a damp towel, putting it into a fridge overnight and successfully grafting from it in the morning. Of course the proof is simple, regarding the UV. One of us could take several frames with young larvae and expose them to direct full sun for measured periods of say, 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, and 10 minutes, then return them to their original positions. If diagrams of what was where were made, in a matter of several days, conclusions could be reached. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:10:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3735A564.FCD71029@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 926262507 26115 12.72.2.24 (9 May 1999 15:08:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 15:08:27 GMT To: Hk1BeeMan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17125 It's not how _long_ you hang out, it's where. Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it > >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" > >the first time one tries it, though. > > > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what > >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. > >John > > Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 14:19:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990509101937.08244.00001306@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17126 >Why would you get increased honey production with a 2 queen system as opposed >to just splitting the hives? The queen only lays so many eggs, each bee can >only bring in so much nectar. Well, you would think that a hive with 20,000 bees would make half the honey that a hive with 40,000 bees would make, but it doesn't work that way. The larger hive makes proportionately more, because they can field more workers. Two queens is just one way of getting the larger hive quicker (just in time for the flow). Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jle@iolinc.net Wed May 12 07:18:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3735DCCE.40881ACB@iolinc.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:06:54 -0700 From: John X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varoa References: <01be900f$4598bee0$LocalHost@default> <1832E96A8S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net X-Trace: 9 May 1999 12:08:42 -0500, dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.102.135.5!206.102.135.5!dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17127 Try varroa.com John Eakins Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <01be900f$4598bee0$LocalHost@default> > "grduffy" writes: > > > > >I would like to get as much information on the history of varoa as > >possible, where it started,how long it took to travel across europe,etc.are > >there any sources available if so I would appreciate any help. > >Greg,. > > There is a web page out there somewhere which gives a very impressive > graphical presentation of Varro's "immigration" throughout the world. > Unfortunately I misplaced the URL and have not been able to find it > using search engines. Anybody have it bookmarked? > > Aaron Morris - thinking automobiles are great things if I can just find > the damned keys! From cynicoid@hotmail.com Wed May 12 07:18:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!quince.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "kay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new keeper Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:00:06 +0100 Organization: [posted via Easynet Ltd] Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt-8-91.easynet.co.uk X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 926261932 55805 195.40.204.91 (9 May 1999 14:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 14:58:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17128 I am about to get a beehive for the first time.I know some of the basics but have some questions I hope you can answer. (1)Is it essential to have the smoke bellows,I have seen bee-keepers tending hives without using smoke or any protective clothing,a bee-keeper friend says that using smoke is essential or the bees will try to attack. (2)Does the hive need to be situated in a certain place,I was thinking of putting it in a corner of the garden which gets no sun and is a bit damp,or even putting it in an outhouse which has a gate so access for the bees is not restricted,again this is cold and damp.Neither of these places are ideal but will they be o.k. (3)Once I have collected a swarm do I just put them in the hive and let them get on with it or is there some preparation involved beforehand? (4)Does the honey need to be collected regularly or could I leave the bees all season without ever even visiting the hive?Obviously I do want to get honey from time to time but is there any detrimental effect by not collecting it say once a week? (5)Apart from the protective clothing,smoke bellows,hive and bees are there any other essential items of equipment needed? Thanks for any help. cynicoid@hotmail.com From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:39:50 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7h4dgo$sr@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo4-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 11:35:36 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17129 JPA555 wrote in message: >I just installed 2 hives last week and I have been feeding syrup ratio of 2 >sugar to 1 water somebody told me that i had it backwards that i was giveing >them the fall feeding syrup. Is this true and will this hurt them? I am putting >fumidil also in the syrup? The syrup you're feeding them won't hurt them, and by including Fumidil-B in the syrup you are medicating them (a good thing) to prevent Nosema, a desease that can cause dysentery. A thinner syrup (1:1 water to sugar ratio) is usually fed in the sping as it better simulates a nectar flow. This helps to spur egg laying and brood raising, thereby increasing the hive population so you have a strong hive population come the natural nectar flow (more workers=more nectar gathered=more honey). The thicker syrup (1:2 water to sugar ratio) is usually fed (again, with medication) in the fall as the bees will use the "syrup honey" for winter food. The thicker syrup does not need to be processed by the bees as much as the thinner (making it easier on the fall population) and is stored more quickly. You could add a little water to the syrup feeder if you wanted, or just wait until the next refill. Just make sure that you've fed and medicated your colonies before you put on supers that will be pulled at harvest, or afterwards in the fall. This will help ensure that you won't be harvesting natural honey adulterated with sugar syrup honey, or contaminated with medications. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: different way to release Queen Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:39:45 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7h4e3m$klm$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990509010001.25123.00001443@ng-fp1.aol.com> <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926268342 21174 62.136.40.13 (9 May 1999 16:45:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 16:45:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17130 I would agree that this is not a good idea - queens will get damaged this way and in the height of the season you will lose the production of a great deal of brood. The key to introducing a queen is to give the hive what it expects. If it has a laying queen then you should have no trouble introducing a new laying queen; if it is broodless it would expect a virgin or perhaps a cell. I introduce queens at the same time as dequeening and use a Butler cage. I used to cover the open end with a single piece of newspaper held with a rubber band but found that the bands had usually perished in my beekeeping box when I needed them! So I now just push a scrap of newspaper very loosely into the hole (just enough to stop the queen escaping). I have returned to see what was going on, and find that the queen is often released within two hours. David Scribner wrote in message <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>... >JCHenry500 wrote: >>what would happen if I killed the old queen and then put a new queen in a >cage >>in a hive and left it for 6 days. > > From jpa555@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring Feeding Help Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 15:58:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17131 I just installed 2 hives last week and I have been feeding syrup ratio of 2 sugar to 1 water somebody told me that i had it backwards that i was giveing them the fall feeding syrup. Is this true and will this hurt them? I am putting fumidil also in the syrup? From jle@iolinc.net Wed May 12 07:18:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3735DC73.85B5F5B3@iolinc.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:05:23 -0700 From: John X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Equipment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net X-Trace: 9 May 1999 12:07:12 -0500, dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.102.135.5!206.102.135.5!dhcp-129-244.iolinc.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17132 One little tip that can save you some money. I bought a suit w/a zip-on veil and hat. My bought some 'tulle' at Wal-Mart and made some veils for her and our daughters, matched w/ some old straw hats, and they are fine and lighter than purchased veils/hats. They wear white turtle necks and light leather gloves. Complete outfit costs practically nothing. John Eakins mbelluso wrote: > Hi All, > > I have not started my first hive yet. This year is information gathering > and some hands on with those more experienced than myself. > > There are some of you folks who know your way around quite well. You know > who you are, I can tell by the way you respond to questions. > I wish to buy the basics and work my way up as most of you probably did once > upon a time. Everything from bee suits, gloves, smokers, hive tools, > feeders, etc. My question is about equipment preferences > What works, what doesn't, is the $150.00 bee suit worth the cost? > > I can understand not wanting to start another war by replying directly to > the group with answers. If any of you folks have some good feed back with > regard to why you use, what you use/wear etc. I would sure be greatful. If > you wish, use the address below for responses. Thanks. Success comes with > many counselors... > -- > mb :-) > > Michael & Yolanda Belluso > 265 N. Tomagene Drive > Bourbonnais, IL 60914-2132 > 815-935-2650 > ymbelluso@yahoo.com From jchenry500@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: different way to release Queen Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 16:17:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h3dqv$jh0@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990509121709.14596.00001297@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17133 Reducing trips to the field was my goal. Was thinking I could kill the queen, add the caged queen and leave it alone for a week, then come back and release her. That way I could get away with two trips instead of having to come back in a day or two to see if see was release properly thanks From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening a laying worker Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:06:32 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7h4j44$lni$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.12 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 926273476 22258 12.72.51.12 (9 May 1999 18:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 18:11:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17134 I checked on this colony yesterday and happy to report that it was a success! George Styer wrote in message news:7gi0u0$blr$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net... > I had a situation where 2 of the 3 mating nucs I set up in a divided deep > failed to produce a laying queen. In fact I suspect they were lost during > their mating flights since I never saw them again after they emerged (they > were there at one time). At any rate, I combined these 2 and gave them a > swarm cell from another hive. Again no mated queen although the cell was > neatly opened at the end. That was several weeks ago and 2 weeks ago this > nuc has quite a bit of drone cells exclusively. Check and double check, no > queen. So I have to say laying worker. > > Yesterday I marked the Q in the 3rd nuc and moved the whole shooting match > about 20 ft away. In the old location I paced a new bottom board, deep, and > put the 3 frames from the queenright nuc in the center. Then back at the > remaining frames 20 ft away I held each one high and thouroghly shook and > brushed all the bees off. As I liberated each frame of bees I then replaced > it in the new hive containing the 3 frames from the queenright colony. It > was mass confusion as this cloud of bees eventually located the entrance > (there were 3 previously, 1 for each nuc). At one point I thought they were > going to abscond. > > Did it work? Well I think so. I checked after about 5 hours and her highness > was still laying and had all of her legs and wings. Time will tell. Rain > today so they will be confined. Not sure if this is good or bad. I'll check > it out in about 1 week and report back. I am not sure what I should be > looking for now other than the obvious like a laying queen. If this is > sucessful and any of the laying workers made it back to the hive, will their > egg laying cease? When am I out of the woods? > > This is my first attempt at this and had only read about it. Any other > methods out there? > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV Light Kills Eggs? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:30:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h4e3k$klm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h3it9$dlk@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> <373574AA.630C@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926268340 21174 62.136.40.13 (9 May 1999 16:45:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 16:45:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17135 Whilst I am sure that UV light will kill them given sufficient exposure, the important point here is to expose the eggs - and larvae - to as little direct sunlight as possible; they will soon cook in the heat of the sun! If, like me, you usually take out the first frame and rest it on the ground leaning against the hive, make sure that you put it on the side that is in the shade; for the beginners - shake the bees off it (down in front of the hive) before you put it back so that you do not squash them. Incidentally, if you are desperate to find the queen you can guarantee that after you have been through the rest of the hive several times, you will find her on that comb leaning against the hive! With regard to the observation hive, they do seem to survive with plenty of light on them, but remember that the glass will filter out a fair proportion of the UV (this will depend on the type and thickness of the glass). workerbee wrote in message <373574AA.630C@earthlink.net>... >I look in on my observation hive daily and the ultroviliot light does >not seem to hurt them. My hive is inside a screened porch and sometimes >has direct sunlight on it when I open it up. I have some hives i am >experimenting with and open them up in the direct sunlight often and >have noticed any problems. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ever hear of a swarm that stings? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:44:31 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h4e3n$klm$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3734b3ad.86225741@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <37343F6D.1948@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926268343 21174 62.136.40.13 (9 May 1999 16:45:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 16:45:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17136 My advice would be always to put on full beekeeping gear when tackling a swarm - especially if it requires the use of a ladder. As soon as you see that they are good tempered you can take it off. Better safe than sorry! From beeman221@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Mustard Recipe Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:57:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7h4epa$i28$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 09 16:57:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17137 I am hoping that someone will have a recipe for honey mustard that they will be willing to share. Wishing all full supers, Pete. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--   ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From transit@primenet.com Wed May 12 07:18:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles P. Hobbs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:03:17 -0700 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3735DBEC.5F9F@primenet.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip166.pom.primenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: @204.212.52.166 (transit) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17138 cmbh71c@prodigy.com wrote: > > i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous > nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? Rhododendrons are supposed to produce toxic nectar and honey . . . From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Wed May 12 07:18:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping course and bee suit Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:02:47 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <19990503164421.04643.00001021@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jajwuth In-Reply-To: <19990503164421.04643.00001021@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17139 On 3 May 1999, Jajwuth wrote: > Date: 03 May 1999 20:44:21 GMT > From: Jajwuth > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: beekeeping course and bee suit > > Is there any recognized courses on beekeeping with hands on experience. > I understand that the Fairview College course has been discontinued. > > What is the finest quality bee suit to buy? > > Thanks all > Jajwuth > the finest quality bee suit to buy is usually the cheapest. for myself i work my own bees or do county inspections in blue jeans, golf or polo shirt with collar, and a sweatshirt. the inner shirt provides something for the veil to snug up against for a tight fit, and the sweatshirt is just something i picked up at a thrift store that provides thickness to ward off most stings. a thin pair a socks covered with thicker pair is usually adequate, and i sometimes even tie my pants legs off, but not always. tramping around in snake country, it is helpful to wear a pair of high-top boots, but i usually can get away with factory work shoes and even a pair of moccasins. i carry an old nascar jump suit, but seldom ever get it out. Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From dcscott@bright.net Wed May 12 07:18:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!131.103.1.118!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!205.212.123.11!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Scott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:23:42 -0400 Organization: bright.net Ohio Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dark-cas2-cs-14.dial.bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 926275589 14461 209.143.25.83 (9 May 1999 18:46:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 18:46:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17140 George Styer wrote in message news:7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net... > I believe this is the 2nd reference (maybe the same person) to a Q with a > yellow mark from a package. Are package suppliers really shipping 1997 > stock? This could be particularly problematic for a beginner getting a 2 > year old Buckfast that will soon be superceded, given the potential for > aggression in the offspring of the F1 daughter. > > Have the breeders in TX been affected by the weather? Where are the green > marks? It is still > B=0, 5 > W=1, 6 > Y=2, 7 > R=3, 8 > G=4, 9 > isn't it or did that change to make the bees Y2K compliant? I have you all beat, my queens were marked white this year. Does that mean they are old or really really old? LOL Or do we have a new system in beekeeping where we mark them with a replace date now? From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Wed May 12 07:18:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: division feeders ?'s Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:54:52 -0400 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7h4pch$1a4@news2.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nlnhusr0-a11.kear.tds.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17141 So more newbee questions! How about refilling division feeders....how do you do it? Its real easy if its bone dry and all the bees are hanging out else where, BUT what about when it is 1/4 full and you pour sugar water in and most of the bees do not realize the tide is coming in! One of my two hives had a plastic feeder with no bumps on the inside, I went in last week after checking hive #1`. hive 1 >bone dry hive 2 without bumps 1/2 full syrup> and drowned bees :>( and yes I had a float board in both . It seems that the little girls couldnt climb the walls. Changed the feeder to bump walls, slid it in after filling it. Back to hive # 1 to refill , only had a 1 quart to put in the other day, so I wanted to fill it, and this is where the problem lies. Do you yank it out, pour off syrup and bees in the grass and refill it and slide it in or just pour on the syrup whilst the feeder is installed and watch some girls drown at the cocktail lounge? Damon Josz |Sunapee NH From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 1999 20:49:11 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990509164911.26170.00000832@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17142 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 May 1999 20:49:13 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990509164913.26170.00000833@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17143 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:18:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RFI Small hive beetle Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:08:51 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7h4tig$717$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926284176 7207 129.173.88.206 (9 May 1999 21:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 21:09:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17144 Hi folks, Fellow german beekeepers asked me if I can provide information about the small hive beetle. I screened the WWW and found a lot of information. However, most of the pages deal with the situation in 1998. What is going on in the 1999 season? What is the current distribution range of the beetle in the USA? I would appreciate if somebody could provide me image -files of the beetle and its larvae, as well as the appearance of the pest at hives. I found some images on WEB-pages, but these are looking not very satisfying if printed in a larger scale. I would love to have some which I can print to a size of 7x4 with reasonable resolution to show the bug to my friends on a future meeting. The idea is to prepare the people, just in case that the pest might show up some day in Germany, and of course to prevent some hysteric reaction if somebody finds a small black beetle in his hive (there are huge numbers of small black beetle species). If you are able to give me up to date information, links to web pages, or image files contact me under uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Thanks for your help and support Ulli Hoger From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeders ?'s Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:25:50 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3735FD5E.8B08E43F@worldnet.att.net> References: <7h4pch$1a4@news2.tds.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.101 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 926285112 11045 12.72.3.101 (9 May 1999 21:25:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 21:25:12 GMT To: Damon Josz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17145 First, I fish out any dead bees onto the the topbars, then I smoke the feeder until the bees march out. You could also use a long-necked funnel to fill the feeder from the bottom up. Damon Josz wrote: > > So more newbee questions! How about refilling division feeders....how do > you do it? > Its real easy if its bone dry and all the bees are hanging out else where, > BUT what about when it is 1/4 full and you pour sugar water in and most of > the bees do not realize the tide is coming in! One of my two hives had a > plastic feeder with no bumps on the inside, > I went in last week after checking hive #1`. hive 1 >bone dry hive 2 > without bumps 1/2 full syrup> and drowned bees :>( and yes I had a float > board in both . It seems that the little girls couldnt climb the walls. > Changed the feeder to bump walls, slid it in after filling it. Back to hive > # 1 to refill , only had a 1 quart to put in the other day, so I wanted to > fill it, and this is where the problem lies. Do you yank it out, pour off > syrup and bees in the grass and refill it and slide it in or just pour on > the syrup whilst the feeder is installed and watch some girls drown at the > cocktail lounge? > > Damon Josz > |Sunapee NH From vussn@tin.it Wed May 12 07:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "alessandro maresca" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killer fly Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:20:04 +0200 Organization: TIN Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7h51h0$3ao$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-na11-10.tin.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17146 Messaggio a più sezioni in formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm an italian beekeeper. I'm looking for any informations about what is colled the killer fly (senotainia tricuspis). It is a fly that inoculates the bees with its egg while they fly strait toward the hive. The egg opens and the "warm" (sorry for the english), starts eating the inside muscles of the bees. The infected bee shows the wings forming a K. The fly can inoculate up to 60 bees per minute. If you have any information about how to fight it please reply to vussn@tin.it thanks Alex ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'm an italian beekeeper. I'm = looking for any=20 informations about what is colled the killer fly (senotainia=20 tricuspis).
It is a fly that inoculates the bees = with its=20 egg while they fly strait toward the hive. The egg opens and the =20 "warm" (sorry for the english), starts eating the inside = muscles of=20 the bees. The infected bee shows the wings forming a K.
The fly can inoculate up to 60 bees = per=20 minute.
If you have any information about = how to fight=20 it please reply to vussn@tin.it =
thanks = Alex
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BE9A7A.DA4FC0E0-- From lauramleek@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 May 1999 22:35:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3735DBEC.5F9F@primenet.com> Message-ID: <19990509183511.26486.00000457@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17147 I believe Rhododendrons honey is only toxic uncapped. Once it is capped it is fine. It also has to bee a ton of rhodies. Laura From nospam@home.com Wed May 12 07:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bad smell in hive Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 22:48:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 926290131 24.6.224.103 (Sun, 09 May 1999 15:48:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 15:48:51 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17148 To all: I checked one of my hives yesterday and noticed a bad smell, like foulbrood but not terribly strong, in the hive. I have dealt with AFB before so I am familiar with the symptoms. I checked every frame and all the brood looked healthy. I even uncapped some sealed brood but found them all healthy. The hive looked in all respects healthy - the smell just bothers me. I treated it with terramycin earlier in the spring - there were no symptoms at that time, and I did not notice this smell. What could be the cause of what I was smelling. (I had already taken a shower already that day! ;) ) Thanks, George C Lakewood, CO From amschelp@pe.net Wed May 12 07:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Message-ID: References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.224 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926292986 216.100.28.224 (Sun, 09 May 1999 19:36:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 19:36:26 EDT Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:40:23 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17149 Bee Bob told me that my black Wellington boots would irritate the bees and that I should wear brown boots instead. In article <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>, jimbo007@webtv.net says... > I keep my girls in the backyard and always wear white tee shirt and > kaiki shorts when I am back there doing yard work or just spying on the > girls.(not much yard work gets done) Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a > black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. I wore it > yesterday afternoon and as I strolled past the hive as I have done a > hundred times in the last 6 weeks without incident. 5 bees jumped right > on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. It was a shock > and an amazement at the same time. I really dont even have to smoke > when I inspect. They are usually very stable and stick right on the > combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. > > From amschelp@pe.net Wed May 12 07:18:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Message-ID: References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.224 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 926292854 216.100.28.224 (Sun, 09 May 1999 19:34:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 19:34:14 EDT Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:38:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17150 I wonder how big his Johnson is when he gets done letting the bees sting it. In article <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it > >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" > >the first time one tries it, though. > > > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what > >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. > >John > > Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From sorry@no.spam Wed May 12 07:18:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rodney Isom" Subject: 'Disinfecting' used hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:34:14 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.147.154.58!news.hiwaay.net NNTP-Posting-Host: max3-208-147-151-209.dialup.HiWAAY.net 208.147.151.209 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17151 Hi guys, I got a used beehive for free from a relative who ran across it in a storage building. He doesn't know where it came from or what happened to the bees that were originally in it. It needs cleaning up & painting, but otherwise the body seems to be in fairly good shape. I've read that to insure against foulbrood, you must scorch the inside of the hive thoroughly with a torch or something. My question is: After doing that, what else should be done to the inside of the hive before installing bees? Does the burned wood need to be sanded or cleaned somehow, or just left alone? Thanks for the help, Rodney -------------------------- Rodney Isom Arab, AL **Please post replies to group** From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:18:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: killer fly Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:57:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7h5bva$flg$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7h51h0$3ao$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17152 "alessandro maresca" wrote: >Hi >I'm an italian beekeeper. I'm looking for any informations about what is >colled the killer fly (senotainia tricuspis). >It is a fly that inoculates the bees with its egg while they fly strait >toward the hive. The egg opens and the "warm" (sorry for the english), >starts eating the inside muscles of the bees. The infected bee shows the >wings forming a K. >The fly can inoculate up to 60 bees per minute. >If you have any information about how to fight it please reply to >vussn@tin.it >thanks Alex Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag. I'm sure USDA bee researchers are making plane reservations right now so that they can collect some and bring them back to America. They are probable creaming their jeans just thinking about a new bee pest! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad smell in hive Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:00:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h5c50$flg$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p37.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17153 "George C" wrote: >To all: >I checked one of my hives yesterday and noticed a bad smell, like foulbrood >but not terribly strong, in the hive. I have dealt with AFB before so I am >familiar with the symptoms. I checked every frame and all the brood looked >healthy. I even uncapped some sealed brood but found them all healthy. The >hive looked in all respects healthy - the smell just bothers me. I treated >it with terramycin earlier in the spring - there were no symptoms at that >time, and I did not notice this smell. >What could be the cause of what I was smelling. (I had already taken a >shower already that day! ;) ) >Thanks, >George C >Lakewood, CO It's way too early for asters to be in bloom. Try smelling the fanned exhast from the hive in the evening. It could very well be the nectar they are collecting. You should be able to tell when they are drying it at night. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From ttgme@megalink.net Wed May 12 07:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37362828.EE3BD0CE@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. References: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarQ.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:28:24 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.146 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 926296454 208.148.250.146 (Sun, 09 May 1999 20:34:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:34:14 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17154 Jim Mosley wrote: > I am a farmer who has just started beekeeping. How long should I feed > my bees after installing the packages? Here is what I was taught just a few years ago. Feed the bees 1:1 sugar syrup until the bees tell you that they don't want anymore... i.e. They will stop taking the syrup from the feeder. I tried this and found that my bees kept taking syrup all summer. My suggestion would be to feed them until plenty of natural forage is available and blooming in your area. At that point let the bees finish emptying whatever is left in the feeder, and then remove it from the hive when it is empty. From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:09:32 GMT References: <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990509220932.26170.00000875@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17155 In article <19990508224508.08509.00001129@ng-ba1.aol.com>, jchenry500@aol.com (JCHenry500) writes: > >Why would you get increased honey production with a 2 queen system as opposed >to just splitting the hives? The queen only lays so many eggs, each bee can >only bring in so much nectar. > > >From my experience, the reason is that all colonies are not strong enough to gather a large surplus. The 2 queen setup makes all units strong, even if one of the colonies was not very great. Average honey production is very high this way. If you could insure all colonies were very strong, and did not swarm, there would be little need for a 2 queen system, as it does entail a lot more work. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed May 12 07:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-64.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Hive and the Honeybee" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:33:29 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.40 X-Server-Date: 6 May 1999 14:35:08 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17156 A week or so ago, someone mentioned another book similar to The Hive and the Honey Bee and recommended it over same. Does anyone remember what that book was? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp hives Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 10:35:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373250D7.81E631E3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990507063524.19484.00000342@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17157 >Help........ > > Can anyone tell me how wasp nests are built. My granddaughter has >this for an elementary school project and needs the info by next Monday. > >Thanks, > >A. Wayne > They chew up vegetable matter and combine it with spit to form a substance that is very much like paper, it is applied layer by layer and ultimately forms the nest. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 10:37:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> Message-ID: <19990507063726.19484.00000343@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17158 >nd back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to >navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I >made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? > > >Shari > Traps'll do, the offering would only draw more ants Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Woodenware NC Wanted Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 10:44:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990507064426.19484.00000344@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17159 Hi gang, Paying 5.00 per hive body w/frames Paying 4.00 per super w/frames Paying 3.00 per Top cover Paying 2.00 per inner cover Paying 2.00 per bottom board These prices are for junk that is at least repairable, Would like to buy at least 15 total hives. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beetools@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 May 1999 15:52:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gqj76$h65$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17160 I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the number of hives you keep. Ron Bennett Luckimaute Bee From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Wed May 12 07:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new top bar hive Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:52:53 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7gv28k$dps$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7gt0c5$jv1$1@news.monmouth.com> <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:52:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17161 what about diameacious earth or hot pepper spray? at the base? DE kills insects naturally, any bees that get that stay on this will also die.so keep it on the ground encircling the hive. In article <373245C4.7FC5@monmouth.com>, sanford@monmouth.com wrote: > Peter Amschel wrote: > > > Regarding ants, I hang my topbar hive from 4 wires and so there is very little > > ant access. How is your hive supported? > > The hive is setting on two piles of concrete paving stone pieces, front > and back with a pile of bricks for the center. The ants seem to > navigate it just fine ;-). Will the ant traps do the job? What if I > made an 'offering' a bit away from the hive, would they go there? > > Shari > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad smell in hive Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:29:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h5c50$flg$3@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990509222947.09491.00000003@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17162 Also, I understand hives that have been infested with small hive beetles give off a smell like decaying oranges. From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 12 07:18:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h4epa$i28$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Mustard Recipe Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <5iqZ2.662$AZ2.552@newsr2.maine.rr.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:04:50 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926298369 24.93.149.35 (Sun, 09 May 1999 18:06:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:06:09 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17163 Try this link for honey mustard recipies. http://www.recipeland.com/newsite/display_titles.epl?title=honey From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 12 07:18:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:08:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926298598 24.93.149.35 (Sun, 09 May 1999 18:09:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:09:58 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17164 You've got a lot of reading and research to do before you're ready for your first hive. Try the local library or a beekeeping assn. for information. From taylaw@digizen.net Wed May 12 07:18:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.135 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:27:12 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3731ED10.F5DC74D0@digizen.net> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926068493 105132 209.194.78.12 (7 May 1999 09:14:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 09:14:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17165 Letting nature take its course would be a disaster. The chances of getting a mated and producing queen are near zero. On the other hand, you should probably wait until you're sure of who will be the new superceduure queen before you requeen. Otherwise, a supercedure queen may emerge and kill your brand new mated queen. Good luck! Casfam1 wrote: > I was inspecting my four new hives (packages-- Apr. 17) yesterday, three are > doing nicely. The fourth is causing me some concern. During my tour through > their home I was supprised to see a capped queen cell. upon closer inspection > I Noticed the brood pattern was verry spotty, not at all like the other nearly > solid blocks of capped brood.Also found four more queen cells , not all capped > yet. Obviously the hive wants a new queen. > > Now the question. Do I buy a new queen or let them finish what they have > started? > My concern with letting nature take it's course is that the new packages > contained almost no drones. the newly drawn comb has zero drone comb (youve got > to love that plastic foundation). > Will I get a well mated queen if I leave them alone? > I know that I won't get any honey this year but I do want a good strong hive > for next year. > As I am very new at this I would like some help with this. > thanks for any help and all the help in the past . > > Gary caswell western Oregon From kamene@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamene@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Hives Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:47:24 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7gucrc$qr1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7gobe9$jo$1@news.campuscwix.net> <37303FF3.12B7@mail.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.192.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 09:47:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; SK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.96.192.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17166 Thanks Greg & jjmc Just reading your post, has answered a question I had asked in a previous post, re how to make rapid increase in one of my hives that is quite weak. I was hesitant to combine brood etc from my strong hive with that of the weaker in case there was any chance of spreading any type of spores between the hives.. here in New Zealand moving equipment from one hive to another is discouraged ... but the larvae look strong and healthy in both hives Carman In article <37303FF3.12B7@mail.idt.net>, gregorm9@mail.idt.net wrote: > I have done as you described a lot and it works very well. Although, it > occured to me that there was no need to put slits in the paper as the > bees will chew through it in there own time. My concern with putting in > the slits was that when I put the hive back together, the slit MIGHT > open into a larger opening. > I would use this procedure to combine a small, queenright, handful of > bees in one hive with several frames of brood and bees taken from a > stronger colony. > > Greg > > jmcc wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > >   > > I have a quick question. I just combined a 3Lb package with queen with > > several bees that didn`t  have a queen. I placed a sheet of newspaper > > with some small slits in the paper between the two. Was this the > > correct thing to do?? How long will it take for the bees to "meet". > > Thanks for any help....... > >   > >                             jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed May 12 07:18:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: florida africanized bee finds Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:15:18 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 86 Message-ID: <37331196.4EC1@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: 926086918 OCZ7E7JIA4814D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17167 05/06/99 - So Called "Killer Bees" found in Jacksonville Florida Port No Evidence of Permanent Florida Population of African Honey Bees Yet Found A press release by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) dated May 5, 1999 announced detection and destruction of two swarms of African honey bees found near the port of Blount Island in Jacksonville. Both were found in bait hives placed by FDACS for intercepting these kinds of honey bees that might come off ships. The bait hives were located in a container yard holding cargo shipped from Puerto Rico, which has an established African honey bee population. An additional 24 bait hives will be placed throughout the port and follow up inspections are scheduled to determine if other colonies exist. This detection marks the first time in Florida that African bee swarms have been detected in bait hives. Previous swarms have been reported by ship’s crews or dockworkers, who have been alerted to look for bees by state, USDA and customs officials. Swarms have been found 17 other times since 1983. African bees are sometimes called "killer bees," according to the press release, for their aggressive defense of their hives. The "killer" term comes from their reputation in many tropical areas, where these defensive insects have been responsible for deaths of animals and people. This has been picked up by various media and spread liberally around the state and nation over the years. Use of the term, unfortunately, may skew the public’s opinion and concern about this particular detection of these insects. This could lead to unjustified and unwarranted worries and actions based on the sensationalism of the "killer" label. The detection of African (often called "Africanized,"or simply "AHB") honey bees in bait hives does not mean there is an established population in Florida. There is no evidence of this yet in the Jacksonville area or other parts of the state where bees from undetermined origin were found on ships. One should be very skeptical of calls or information suggesting anyone in Florida is encountering or being threatened by "killer" bees. "Killer" bees are a different variant of the common honey bee, extremely difficult to distinguish from other honey bees commonly found in the state. They are capable of mass attacks, but only near a nest. All honey bees of any kind should be approached with caution and any nests assiduously avoided. If honey bees attack, those affected should get inside houses, automobiles, and other enclosed spaces that bees cannot enter. Any stinging incident, no matter the type of honey bee, must be considered serious particularly if multiple insects attack. A physician should be contacted immediately for either allergic reactions (trouble breathing) from a single sting or mass envenomation resulting from multiple stings. For more general information on these insects, see : http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?DOCUMENT_MG113 For a more in depth and historical treatment see the APIS web site index on the Africanized honey bee: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/threads/ahb.htm Tom Sanford Extension Apiculturist Publisher of APIS http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm Department of Entomology and Nematology University of Florida Mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu 352-392-1801 x 143 The University of Florida Pest Alert WWW site is at: http://extlab7.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/ From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Wed May 12 07:18:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wisteria:poison plant Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:36:33 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 07 15:36:33 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17168 i have read that wisteria is a poisonous plant, does it give poisonous nectar? are their any other kind of plants that give off poisonous nectar? i am planning on getting rid of my wisteria anyway, but it may take another month or two. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive/ living history Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:30:40 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37331530.9E7989DE@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <0uYX2.110$Rl3.5961@ord-read.news.verio.net> <7ODY2.121$Rl3.6501@ord-read.news.verio.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.64.192 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926094554 19871 12.72.64.192 (7 May 1999 16:29:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 16:29:14 GMT To: Anglin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17169 Anglin wrote: > The Taliban is the group of Moslem fundamentalists who have brutally taken control of Afghanistan. All the men in the country now have to wear beards and all the women veils. Individuals who do not conform to the Taliban's ideas of proper Islamic behavior are beaten in the streets, thrown in prison, or executed. Visually, Taliban is what you'd get if you crossed the Amish with the Nazi party. > I love his site- I have recommended it to many people! > I am not familiar with the Taliban- Is that another living history > group? the SCA has contact with and overlaps a lot of other "Dress up" > groups. (N.E.R.O., The Tuchucks, and many others) > > > > What does your SCA group think of the Taliban? > > From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 May 1999 17:04:58 GMT References: <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990507130458.17932.00000241@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17170 In article <19990507115247.22965.00000411@ng-fb1.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) writes: > >I always heard that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the >number of hives you keep. > I think it levels off after 200 hives, the law of diminishing returns kicks in. If you keep AfricanizedHoneyBees, the number is considerably less. From markm@ntplx.net Wed May 12 07:18:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: markm@ntplx.net (mski) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apple blossoms and bees Message-ID: <37333853.6907209@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:07:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.189.57 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 926104356 204.213.189.57 (Fri, 07 May 1999 15:12:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:12:36 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17171 >From this question, you'll be able to tell that I'm a newbee. I've started two hives a month ago and the bees are doing what they're suppose to be doing. (Gathering copious amounts of nectar and pollen) One of the main reasons I've decided to pick up beekeeping was to have my fruit trees properly pollinated. I only have two apple trees next to each other, both now almost in full blossom. (Each tree has about 60% of the blossoms in bloom). Now my hive is about 150 ft away from my trees, but the bees have not yet visited these trees. This has become very frustrating for me. Now I know that distance isn't a factor, for I've seen bees en mass visiting single trees further away. Am I just overly concerned that my bees are neglecting my apple trees or are my fears warranted? Is there anything I can do? Thanks, Mark From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:43:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> Message-ID: <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17172 Question is this: Knowing what we know about the importance of young queens, is it unethical for a queen breeder to sell queens more than a year old? And if so, shouldn't we avoid doing business with such people? On the other hand, how do we verify the accuracy of the color painted on the back of the queen? What's to stop an unscrupulous queen breeder from just slappin' a blob of this year's paint on the back of any ole' queen he's got hanging around back in the apiary? From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:51:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h4f6h$lkh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990509225130.09491.00000012@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17173 Peter, would you like to make a recommendation for natural substances that can be used to fight varroa? I'd rather not be using fluvalinate either, but I'm having trouble finding practical how-to information on alternative therapies. I understand food-grade mineral oil can be used. But where in the hive? When do you apply it and how much? What time of year? JM From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:07:44 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7h5iom$921$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.176 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926305878 9281 12.72.49.176 (10 May 1999 03:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 03:11:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17174 Not being a queen breeder and knowing little about the commercial end of it, I'll hazard to say that would be that is is just plain uneconomical to overwinter surplus queens on a large scale. As for an unscroupulous breeder, word would get out to all beekeepers who purchase large quantities very quicky and his business would perish. JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com... > Question is this: Knowing what we know about the importance of young queens, > is it unethical for a queen breeder to sell queens more than a year old? And if > so, shouldn't we avoid doing business with such people? > On the other hand, how do we verify the accuracy of the color painted on the > back of the queen? What's to stop an unscrupulous queen breeder from just > slappin' a blob of this year's paint on the back of any ole' queen he's got > hanging around back in the apiary? From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:10:43 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7h5iu5$9re$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7h5iom$921$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.176 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926306053 10094 12.72.49.176 (10 May 1999 03:14:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 03:14:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17175 Geez, I do speak english. It's been a bad hay fever day! George Styer wrote in message news:7h5iom$921$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net... > Not being a queen breeder and knowing little about the commercial end of it, > I'll hazard to say that would be that is is just plain uneconomical to > overwinter surplus queens on a large scale. As for an unscroupulous breeder, > word would get out to all beekeepers who purchase large quantities very > quicky and his business would perish. > From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 03:35:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Message-ID: <19990509233552.09491.00000024@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17176 I'm a first year beekeeper and all I can say is your questions are so fundamental that to answer them one would have to write an introduction to beekeeping (honey is harvested once a year, not once a week). Bees in a new hive must be fed sugar syrup (see a good beginner's book to find out what that is). A smoker is essential equipment, along with a hive tool (again see a beginner's book to find out what that is). And most important, bees in this country are under attack by several predatorary mites and insects that have been imported to this country in the last 10 years -- so much so that feral bee colonies have almost completely disappeared in most parts of the country. Many who keep bees for a living have been devastated and pushed into financial ruin as a result of the spread of these pests. Your lack of information could mean your hives will be attacked (lack of preventive efforts) and you will not know what is happening, or how to deal with it. As sources of infection and disease, you could be harming the hives of all beekeepers in your area, along with any feral colonies that may still exist there. You could even be exposing yourself to legal action in some areas of the country. Please, do some basic research. It's not hard to find a good beginner's book; there are more than a few. JM From beegrl@webtv.net Wed May 12 07:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: beegrl@webtv.net (Cherish Tietsworth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small hive beetles Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAquD9omaUbPF+Q0dwnC/pOK06IIMCFQCneeZIfeETXkPzcLWjrQ60UZV7Vw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17177 I've just found out that the small hive beetle has been found in Pennsylvania. Apparently it came along in a package of bees from down south. Is anyone aware of other states experiencing the same problem? Our state Apiary Inspector said that the hives in question are not a threat to other beekeepers and are being treated with coumaphos. Just wondering what you think. From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small hive beetles Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 02:35:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19990509223536.09491.00000006@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17178 I'm curious as to how the hive beetle spreads. Beetles and their young live in the hive furniture, comb, and honey. How could package bees and queens spread the hive beetle if the beetles don't live on the bees? It occurred to me as I was writing that that the beetles could be shook into the packages at the same time the bees are. Does it follow then that if we beekeepers in the north don't want to be infested with hive beetles we should avoid buying bees from the Southeast where the beetles seem to be established? From kamene@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamene@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:12:17 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7gr1af$s36$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.192.43 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 06 03:12:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; SK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.96.192.43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17179 I have two hives, one of them is very strong and when recently checked there are no visible signs of ant disease or mites. My other hive has just been requeened with a new nucleus as the hive swarmed early in the honey flow season, the queen that was left didn't do well. This second hive hasn't had a good chance to build up winter food stocks as the new nucleus was introduced toward the end of the honey flow. The strong hive has plenty of winter food stock, we left the top super (3rd super) full of capped honey. I have been considering moving a frame of capped honey from the strong hive to the weak hive to see the 2nd hive through the coming winter. As I said there is no sign of any disease in the strong hive and all the larvae look very healthy. My question is would it be risky (in terms of health risks for the bees) to move a frame of capped honey from the strong hive to the weaker one? is this bad beekeeping practice? I've also heard that if a hive is healthy, a frame of larvae can be transferred from a strong hive to a weaker one to make rapid increase, is this acceptable practice or is there once again risk of transferring unhealthy spores? all answers appreciated Many thanks Carman -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeders ?'s Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:35:36 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37365f7e.866643@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <7h4pch$1a4@news2.tds.net> <3735FD5E.8B08E43F@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-48.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 9:35:46 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17180 Hi all, Not to promote one company over others, but Better-Bee in NY has a new division feeder with a 'fill-funnel' built into the thing - also with plastic floats on either side. I purchased 60 of these and they seem to work well in keeping the bees from drowning. They advertise in Bee Culture (or was it ABJ?) and show a diagram of the feeder this month & last. Watch so you don't make the syrup too thick though or the floats will stick on the crystalized sugar. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Sun, 09 May 1999 14:25:50 -0700, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: >First, I fish out any dead bees onto the the topbars, then I smoke the >feeder until the bees march out. You could also use a long-necked funnel >to fill the feeder from the bottom up. >Damon Josz wrote: >> >> So more newbee questions! How about refilling division feeders....how do >> you do it? From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:03:47 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h5lhd$6g1@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> <19990509224321.09491.00000010@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 10:58:37 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17181 JMitc1014 wrote: > Question is this: Knowing what we know about the importance of young queens, >is it unethical for a queen breeder to sell queens more than a year old? And if >so, shouldn't we avoid doing business with such people? Yes it would be unethical, but I don't know of any commercial queen breeders that would waste their time hanging on to old queens just to get another buck or two. Each year the breeders are on a regimen where they carry out certain phases of the queen production process at certain times. When the breeders are raising thousands and thousands of queens, it is those queens that get shipped. Any "old" queens they might have I'm sure they are only hanging on to them to create stock. As such they would very likely be superior stock and use them up creating great queens. I wouldn't think any breeder would have an "old folks home" for queens that aren't sent out waiting to send them out the next year . I've heard of at least one breeder that gives any queens remaining after the fall shipments to his local beekeeper's association members free of charge. > On the other hand, how do we verify the accuracy of the color painted on the >back of the queen? What's to stop an unscrupulous queen breeder from just >slappin' a blob of this year's paint on the back of any ole' queen he's got >hanging around back in the apiary? Although the international color code for marking bees is used by a lot of queen breeders, it's not used by all (being an option, not an enforcement). Many hobbyists that mark their own queens (me) just grab whatever is handy... my wife's nail polish, white-out, Tester's model paint, etc. What's important for me isn't the color as much as that it's different from what I used last time. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small hive beetles Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:34:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7h5jps$54c@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990509223536.09491.00000006@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-27.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 09 10:29:00 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17182 JMitc1014 wrote: > It occurred to me as I was writing that that the beetles could be shook into >the packages at the same time the bees are. > Does it follow then that if we beekeepers in the north don't want to be >infested with hive beetles we should avoid buying bees from the Southeast where >the beetles seem to be established? You answered your question... they were shook into the packages along with the bees. The beetles scurry around very fast. From what I've heard, the larva can turn a colony's honey supply into a frothing, fermented mass in as little as a day. The bees have been known to abscond from the hive at that point (and who would blame them?). Once the beetle larvae are ready to pupate, they crawl out of the hive and burrow into the soil. The beetles are a reddish color at first, turning black and are about 1/3 the length of the average worker bee. They also have very fine hairs on their backs which make them difficult to grab. You can find out more on the beetle on the web (I think I started with a link found in the APIS newletter (their web site is http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm). I believe they had the article about the package bees containing the beetle, too. After this scare, I think (and hope) we'll see more attention being paid as to what is going into those packages! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From bcreck@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Robert Reck" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Residential hive Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:21:09 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7h5mru$sht$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.22.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 926310078 29245 12.72.22.152 (10 May 1999 04:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 04:21:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17183 Last year my neighbor built me a very cool three sectioned standing birdhouse. One of the house sections was way too large for birds (about 1 foot wide by 2 feet high), and last summer a hive of bees moved in. They stayed only a couple of weeks and then moved on. Well this spring another colony moved in, and they just kept growing until they were hanging out the openings (four entry holes for the birds) and covering one side of the structure. Last week we noticed some strange activity (a few bees hanging out near the exterior lights at night), and today I heard the loudest buzzing coming from our trees. Seconds later, the swarm appeared over the trees. It took it about five minutes to make its way across the yard and over the fence. After they left I checked the birdhouse to see if any remained, and there were a few stragglers busy with the combs. My question is, how do I know if there is still a queen in there, as we would like to get to the honeycomb? And also, since we live in a residential area, is it all right to let another colony form, or should I plug up those holes in the birdhouse? I have never been bothered by the bees, and I garden right next to them each day. However, I am afraid of having neighbors get stung, and I don't know if I'm courting trouble by having a hive in a residential neighborhood (even though I didn't put the bees there). . But I am also applying to have our yard approved as a Backyard Wildlife Habitat by the NWF, and I do what I can to encourage critters to feel at home here. Any ideas? C Reck From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 12:05:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990510080551.17801.00001351@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17184 > They are usually very stable and stick right on the >> combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. Im sorry, I was under the impression that everyone knew that dark colors and especially natural animal fur fabrics attracted stings like crap attracts flies. Next time try a wool sweater, black socks, the hat and put on some cologne before ya go out Talk about learning the hard way.... OUCH !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From obriens@sky.net Wed May 12 07:18:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:54:03 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926344674 209.90.4.165 (Mon, 10 May 1999 08:57:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:57:54 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17185 Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >I wonder how big his Johnson is when he gets done letting the bees sting it. > I know you're just quipping, but my "john thomas" does swell when you first start doing the stings right there but the swelling is minimal after the first couple times. Same with any other part of the body. John From obriens@sky.net Wed May 12 07:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990509010717.19534.00001391@ng-cc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:04:16 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926345287 209.90.4.165 (Mon, 10 May 1999 09:08:07 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:08:07 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17186 JMitc1014 wrote in message > Your just the person I need to talk to. My fiancee has MS, and we're I have numerous website addresses which you should consult with before starting. Also, you should get a book or two on the subject. The one by Amber Rose is very "all inclusive" but it may be a bit overwhelming for a beginner. The book by Pat Wagner is more basic info. I got both. > I say "considering" because she's pregnant right now so it's not a good time Yeah; she should wait. > My questions -- to start with -- are these: > 1) Since I'm now keeping bees for honey, hobby and profit, would you >recommend that I keep my medicinal hive(s) separate from my honey hives? How I don't think this is necessary. There's no difference. > 2) Do you keep one hive for therapy or several? I don't keep a hive at all, yet. We tried to get started this year but to many extra things happened to us. I get my bees from local beekeepers who are sympathetic to people using Sting therapy. Incidently, many, if not most beekeepers are aware of bee sting therapy and will help out. > 3) As I understand it you need from 15 to 30 bees a day for stinging. What >do you do to get bees in the dead of winter? Do you just pop open the hive in It is more difficult to get them in the Winter and last Winter I was not able to get any because the beekeeper who was supplying me moved away and I didn't have another ready source. Yes; you need to be careful opening up the hive in cold, but you only need to do it every 2 weeks or so and you can pick a mild day usually. Because I had to stop over the winter I'll have to start all over again from scratch, so to speak. Email me and I'll send you more info. John From mediate@islandnet.com Wed May 12 07:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Georg Stratemeyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WCB Hive Plans Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:53:03 -0700 Organization: Cowichan Valley Mediation Services Message-ID: <3736E4BF.107B@islandnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.175.106.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17187 A few weeks ago I saw an address posted for WCB Hive plans in this news group. I saved them, so I thought, and of course cannot find them now. Could somebody give me this address again, please. Thanks -- Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer 4876 Marshall Road, Duncan, BC, V9L 6T3 Telephone: 250 746 6176 Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html From pollinator@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollination bees needed in Minnesota Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 13:47:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <926340079.875.84@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990510094700.05199.00000174@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17188 From: "E. Rogers" >Bees needed in soutwest Minnesota for Apple tree pollination. Please call >Stonegate apple orchard at 507-836-8373 to make arrangements for delivery. >They need up to 20 colonies but any number would be helpful. Check the listing of beekeepers who do pollination at www.pollinator.com There are a lot of Minnisota beekeepers listed. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From apimo@apimo.dk Wed May 12 07:18:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spreadsheet error and a fix. Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:13:29 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7h6tbh$eks$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip117.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 926349489 15004 195.249.242.117 (10 May 1999 15:18:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 15:18:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17189 Dear Sir! It was reported to me that the spreadsheet function in some places are not working! Instead the error message : Licence information for TF1 book is invalid showed up. The error is coursed by not consequent uninstalling the Bidata software before installing it again, or installing a new edition. It is a file delivered by me and placed in the windows system directory, with name vcf132.ocx that it goes on. If this file is present it will not be replaced by the installing software. This error is to fix in this way.: click this URL : http://apimo.dk/programs/vcf132.ocx and when asked to open or save it save it to the c:\windows\system directory replacing the file that is already there. This will fix the errormessage to get away and you can launch the spreadsheet function. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WCB Hive Plans plus mating nucs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:27:45 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3736ECE1.B23BAF51@worldnet.att.net> References: <3736E4BF.107B@islandnet.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.66.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 926346384 16122 12.72.66.28 (10 May 1999 14:26:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 14:26:24 GMT To: Georg Stratemeyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17190 I've got a similar problem. Found a Scandanavian site with great plans for making mating nucs out of styrofoam, saved the file (so I thought), and now can't find it. Georg Stratemeyer wrote: > > A few weeks ago I saw an address posted for WCB Hive plans in this news > group. I saved them, so I thought, and of course cannot find them now. > Could somebody give me this address again, please. > > Thanks > -- > Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer > 4876 Marshall Road, Duncan, BC, V9L 6T3 > Telephone: 250 746 6176 > Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html From taylaw@digizen.net Wed May 12 07:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.242 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will Foragers perform nursing function? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:32:15 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3736FBFE.8AAF7C34@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926351246 25900 209.194.78.12 (10 May 1999 15:47:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 15:47:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17191 I'm a second year beekeeper. I recently replaced a sterile supercedure queen. Unfortunately, by the time my new queen got comfy and started laying, there was no more capped brood left in the colony. It seem to me that, unless some bees will regress in their job roles, I will have a critical missing link in the bee generational chain, i.e., in a couple of weeks there will be no young bees to clean cells and feed larvae. Does anybody have any info on whether the older bees (which will be reasonably plentiful) will stop foraging and fill this void? (Unfortunately, I have no other hives from which I can take capped brood to substitute... which I assume would be the ideal solution) From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:18:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticides and dragonflies Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:20 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7h77c1$pnl$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <926356804.468.71@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926359745 26357 129.173.88.206 (10 May 1999 18:09:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 18:09:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17192 Dave Marple wrote: > My first question is whether I should expect some ill effect on my hives due > to the county mosquito abatement sprayings? The hives are about 400 feet > from the road where they spray at nighttime or early morning hours. Are > there any pesticides in general that I should look out for? What is used for spraying the mosquitos? In many countries a bakterium is used (BTI), which suposed to kill specifically the mosquito larvaes. This shouldn't be harmfull for bees and other insects. >My back yard > also butts up to a 50-acre alfalfa field. The hives are about 10 feet from > the edge of the field, so I am concerned about any pesticides they might > use. That's a different story, and the first thing I would do is to let the farmer know that there are bee in the neighborhood. Otherwise pray that they know and obey the regulations. > Second is the dragonfly question. In summer months we get many of these > guys around. Has anyone actually seen reduction in hive population due > to these alleged "bee marauders?" I doubt that dragonflies primariely pray on bees. If they do you wouldn't see a reduction of your hive population if these are healthy colonies. My point of view, regards Ulli From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Wed May 12 07:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticides and dragonflies Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:18:52 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <926356804.468.71@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:20:04 GMT X-Trace: 926356804.468.71 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17193 I have a couple of concerns that maybe someone could help with. I live right by the Great Salt Lake and therefore, we have a couple things in abundance...mosquitoes and dragonflies. My first question is whether I should expect some ill effect on my hives due to the county mosquito abatement sprayings? The hives are about 400 feet >from the road where they spray at nighttime or early morning hours. Are there any pesticides in general that I should look out for? My back yard also butts up to a 50-acre alfalfa field. The hives are about 10 feet from the edge of the field, so I am concerned about any pesticides they might use. Second is the dragonfly question. In summer months we get many of these guys around. Has anyone actually seen reduction in hive population due to these alleged "bee marauders?" Thanks. From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Wed May 12 07:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will Foragers perform nursing function? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:44:13 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7h722i$6ft@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <3736FBFE.8AAF7C34@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo8-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 10 11:38:42 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17194 John A. Taylor wrote: >I recently replaced a sterile supercedure queen. Unfortunately, by the >time my new queen got comfy and started laying, there was no more capped >brood left in the colony. > >It seem to me that, unless some bees will regress in their job roles, I >will have a critical missing link in the bee generational chain, i.e., >in a couple of weeks there will be no young bees to clean cells and feed >larvae. > >Does anybody have any info on whether the older bees (which will be >reasonably plentiful) will stop foraging and fill this void? > >(Unfortunately, I have no other hives from which I can take capped brood >to substitute... which I assume would be the ideal solution) I think your colony will be O.K. Even though after emerging from the cells a worker bee's first three weeks (approximately) are spent tending to "house duties" before starting to forage for nectar, pollen, water or propolis gums/resins, a colony knows what's needed. If there is a shortage of "house bees", foragers will take on the duties as needed (after all, they don't forget how to do the things that need to be done in the hive). A good example of this are the bees that over-winter. Coming out of winter, these bees are usually well beyond the normal "age" of house bees (aside >from the fact that they live longer). When the queen begins her new season's egg laying, these over-wintered workers will take on the necessary house duties to see the new brood through until they themselves can take over the duties. Hope this helps. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:36:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <1833AB0A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926372548 14259 62.136.4.224 (10 May 1999 21:42:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:42:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17195 > I have had experience of irradiation. In my early days I purchased a complete apiary in March and found that three colonies had developed AFB by September - it seemed that the scales were still hidden by feed in the spring when I inspected before buying. The three colonies were, of course, destroyed and the hives scorched (bees frames and honey burned). This left me with a dilemma because I had transferred supers between colonies and has no idea if any were contaminated. I took them all to a company called Isotron who specialise in sterilising medical supplies. I packed them in plastic bags and they were loaded in containers to go through the plant. Very quick and fairly cheap - and no sign of AFB since (15 years). >There are two other treatments for AFB: ETO chambers and irradiation. I have >used neither, ETO chambers have been banned in most states (I think Maryland >is one of two states that still allow ETO chambers). Irradiation is highly >effective in treating AFB (spores included). From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will Foragers perform nursing function? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:41:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h7js7$dtj$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3736FBFE.8AAF7C34@digizen.net> <7h722i$6ft@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926372551 14259 62.136.4.224 (10 May 1999 21:42:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:42:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17196 They will regress - bees are able to do this. It is not quite the same for overwintered bees. The physiological age of a bee depends not so much on its actual age as on whether or not it has been involved in raising brood - bee that has overwintered will not have had to feed brood and will therefore be physiologically still young. I suppose that is why my wife and I feel so old after raising two daughters! David Scribner wrote in message <7h722i$6ft@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>... >John A. Taylor wrote: >>>>It seem to me that, unless some bees will regress in their job roles, I >>will have a critical missing link in the bee generational chain, i.e., >>in a couple of weeks there will be no young bees to clean cells and feed >>larvae. >> > >A good example of this are the bees that over-winter From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:29:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7h7js3$dtj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h4f6h$lkh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990509225130.09491.00000012@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926372547 14259 62.136.4.224 (10 May 1999 21:42:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:42:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17197 Varroa arrived here in the late summer of 1997 - so I am certainly no expert! However... I read a very good article in BeeBiz on work that Spanish scientists had done on thymol, placing it on a watch glass above the brood box; I had already dismissed the Frakno frame for thymol as being far too expensive. I treated by placing 1 rounded teaspoonful of thymol crystals in an old honey jar lid (saved from jars returned by customers) on the queen excluder immediately after removing the crop at the end of July. The treatment was repeated at weekly intervals for a further 3 weeks. This seemed to get me through the first varroa winter. Last year, my greatest concern was for those colonies moved to the heather at the end of July and returned during the first week of August; clearly, I could not treat them with thymol until they returned - and by then it can be rather cooler and thymol requires warmth to evaporate. At that time I heard about oxalic acid (personal communication) and investigated further. Spraying seemed to me to be far too dangerous without a serious investment in a respirator, but the drip method seemed to carry little danger once the solution is mixed. My knowledge of handling chemicals is more than adequate for this task and I prepared a solution using 60g oxalic acid dihydrate, 300g of sugar and 1 litre of water. [NB the oxalic acid crystals are dangerous to handle and it is critically important not the breathe in any dust - irreversible kidney damage can occur]. I applied the solution using a cheap kitchen baster (plastic tube with a bulb on top) which I calibrated so that I could dispense 50ml per colony (5ml dripped over each seam of bees) after the colonies returned from the heather and the crop had been removed (late September to mid October). This was repeated after one week. The advantage of using these two substances together is: They are both natural and are found in honey normally. The thymol seems to both kill and confuse the mites so that breeding is inhibited - it penetrates the cells and kills mites that are sealed in them. The oxalic acid gives a quick knock down of mites on the bees - but does not penetrate the cells; it should be used only in the autumn when there is little brood when it will be most effective and there is no possibility of contaminating the crop - an excellent final clean up before winter. Initial results show hundreds of mites knocked down in the autumn, good colony survival through the winter and virtually no mites found so far this spring. Recently I have read about mineral oil (try www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/mineraloil.html) and will certainly be trying it this year. Cost comparisons are interesting - initially it looked as though we would have no alternative to Bayvarol at approx £5 per treatment, then we considered formic acid - about 60p, then thymol - 32p, then oxalic acid 3p! I doubt if mineral oil will be any cheaper but it does look very beekeeper friendly. JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990509225130.09491.00000012@ng-cb1.aol.com>... >Peter, would you like to make a recommendation for natural substances that can >be used to fight varroa? I'd rather not be using fluvalinate either, but I'm >having trouble finding practical how-to information on alternative therapies. > I understand food-grade mineral oil can be used. But where in the hive? When >do you apply it and how much? What time of year? >JM From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:18:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UV rays Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:55:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h7kr6$er5$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37374B6A.6B5F@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.iron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926373542 15205 62.136.12.223 (10 May 1999 21:59:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 1999 21:59:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17198 Tip of the day! Why tie comb into frames - it is an awaful job and the combs are never worth having. Try this: Simply set up a brood box with empty drawn comb, put a queen excluder on top and put an empty brood box on that. Shake the bees down in front of the hive so that the queen goes into the bottom box and starts laying in the empty comb; pile the wild comb in the empty box on top of the excluder so that the combs touch as little as possible (a few twigs can be useful here and you can add another excluder and empty brood box if necessary). The queen will lay up the bottom box and after three weeks the brood in the wild comb will have emerged and you can remove it; if it still contains honey, add supers above the bottom box and place the box containing the wild comb over the crown board (inner cover) - the bees will take down the honey when it suits them! Very quick and easy, less mess and very little loss of bees or brood. >On last Sat I also removed bees from a wall, carried the comb home 25 >miles, tied it into frames and put the bees on it. Everything is fine >today From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Wed May 12 07:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) FEED THE BEES ! Date: Mon, 10 May 99 22:34:11 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 84 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.139 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:34:09 GMT X-Trace: 926379249.453.36 KRFRRPH9I988BCE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17199 Hi, Colony still not numerous, but bees large, and active . TWO brood boxes(deep supers) of DRAWN COMB ! Added a third brood box, today . Traffic is a third what it was this morning before I started, but they're still active . Hopefully, they're drawing the new comb . ORIGINALLY : I put a pie pan of rather thick "pollen replacer" in the empty top super . That was not good thinking . There were four, or five, drowned in it . On the other hand, I much suspect that it is entirely responsible for the new prosperity in my hive . The landing board feeders(2), just dripped their feed onto the ground . The earth below each feeder is soaked in syrup, and I doubt that any large fraction of it was used by the bees . I'm going to replace the empty, top, smaller, super with one of the eleven inch boxes, and put the feeders inside the hive . Try that . Zipped up the suit today . Much less stressful . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/8/99 5:51PM, in message <3734DC1B.DD9ACFE2@worldnet.att.net>, "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: In one sense, feeding heavily could mean feeding as much as the bees will take, and feeding lightly would mean something less. Another factor to consider along with the amount is the rate. With your particular device, how many bees can feed at one time? How many holes are punched, and how big are they? What mesh size have you, and how much mesh? I use division boards along with 1 quart Mason jars with holes punched in the lids. In a few hives, I have several jars grouped on the topbars. In those hives, each and every jar seems popular. Most of the hives are 1-2 month old packages, and there is still occasional snow to contend with. They are using 1 gallon of syrup per 1 to 4 days. dewitt wrote: > > >feed HEAVILY. > > Please define above? 1 gallon, 2 gallon, one quart??? > > a gallon every day? > > Put in a gallon and replace when empty? Check every day, week. month? From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 00:22:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h7js3$dtj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990510202214.07447.00000290@ng18.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17200 Thank you, but I'm not sure what "thymol is, or what type of store I would find it in. What other practical uses does it have? jm From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 12 07:18:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tragedy in Falmouth, Maine Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <2PJZ2.700$AZ2.860@newsr2.maine.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:17:05 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926378302 24.93.149.35 (Mon, 10 May 1999 16:18:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:18:22 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17201 Yesterday a truck loaded with 400 colonies headed fo the blueberrie fields of eastern Maine overturns on a turnpike ramp. The full story can be seen at: http://www.portland.com/news/story1.shtml Stan Brown and Tony Jadczak came in to help, but the situation was hopeless. From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 23:58:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h5lhd$6g1@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990510195854.07447.00000282@ng18.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17202 Thanks. That helps explain things a little, but when I go down to a bee supply store near where I live and I see queen cages with yellow-marked queens on the counter waiting to be picked up by another customer, I only have what I know to be generally accepted practice and what I see to go on. But I get from what's being said here that it is uncommon for a breeder to keep queens over because it just ain't practical. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Wed May 12 07:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees hold a grudge? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:17:21 -0400 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7h812v$r5h$1@antiochus.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-233-129.s129.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 11 May 1999 01:27:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17203 I took apart my hive to look for a lost aspitan strip, remove queen cups, etc. I also captured a swarm and put it into a new hive. The little buggers would sting anything that moved for hours afterwards. Why did they stay mad so long and how long can bees hold a grudge. Regards, Marc Andelman From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed May 12 07:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:47:44 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <37378C3F.7B3884E9@valley.net> References: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-126.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17204 JPA555 wrote: > I just installed 2 hives last week and I have been feeding syrup ratio of 2 > sugar to 1 water somebody told me that i had it backwards that i was giveing > them the fall feeding syrup. Is this true and will this hurt them? I am putting > fumidil also in the syrup? greetings, as others have pointed out the generally recommended ratios are 1:1 in the spring and 2:1 [sugar to water] by weight in the fall, with the more dilute mixture simulating a spring nectar flow and the thicker solution requiring less processing in the fall. however, fwiw [for what it's worth] i've been using the same mixture of approximately 2:1 sugar to water for all feedings and it has worked very well [this is my third season keeping bees]. the syrup might be a little thicker than nectar in the spring, but i figure the bees just dilute it down with water as needed. this is just a guess, but i think that it takes up less space in the hive, which leaves more room for egg laying [no need to fill lots of cells and evaporate off the liquid]. my colonies take it just fine, and i get more food [sugar] to them per unit volume of feed than with a 1:1 mixture. based on the huge brood build up i've got going this year [queen laying and capped brood in all three deeps], it looks to be an effective spring egg-laying stimulant, as well. to mix it up, i just add one 5 lb. bag of domino sugar to an empty [and clean] one gallon plastic milk jug, fill almost to the top with hot water from the tap, mix well and server with a light cream sauce and a lovely parsley garnish. well, maybe not a garnish. the math: water weighs 8.33 lbs. per gallon. if you use a gallon container containing 5 lbs. of dry sugar it will only take about 1/3 gallon of water to fill the container. [i played around with measuring cups one day to determine this empirically.] 8.33 x 1/3 = 2.78 lbs. water. 5/2.78 = 1.80 ratio. since i fill the container a shade light in volume, the ratio is very close to 2:1. mixing: if your tap provides very hot water, as does mine, then you won't need to provide any additional heating. just mix by inversion a few times, let it sit for a couple of minutes, and then mix again. that should put it into solution. once dissolved the sugar will stay in solution at room temperature. obviously, this is not a suitable method for anyone with more than a handful of hives. i have 2 hives, each with a half gallon top feeder. so, one gallon works out great for me. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jajwuth@aol.com Wed May 12 07:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beehive material Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 May 1999 20:43:18 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990510164318.05084.00001017@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17205 Can beehives only be made out of wood? Will the bees only accept wood hives? Could the hive bodies be made from other material? What other material have beekeepers used? I'm primarily thinking of a top bar hive or variation. Al From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 12 07:19:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beehive material Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:04:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990510164318.05084.00001017@ngol03.aol.com> To: Jajwuth X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 10 May 1999 21:05:23 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon May 10 14:15:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust32.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373749CE.60B2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17206 Jajwuth wrote: > > Can beehives only be made out of wood? > Will the bees only accept wood hives? > > Could the hive bodies be made from other material? > What other material have beekeepers used? > > I'm primarily thinking of a top bar hive or variation. > > Al Well, I've seen honeybees living and thriving in cement block walls and metal 5 gal buckets. Folks have been known to use plastic. Experiment. Just make sure to check the regulations to insure ifyou must have removable frames. Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 12 07:19:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UV rays Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:11:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 10 May 1999 21:12:14 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon May 10 14:15:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust32.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37374B6A.6B5F@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17207 I am really interested in UV rays and the discussion that went on. I had a hive open in the bright sunlight for two hours last Sat for a demonstration. I handled all the frames with eggs, larva and sealed brood. After the previous discussion on UV rays, I opened the hive today and found no ill effects. Everything is expanding and nothing was dead. On last Sat I also removed bees from a wall, carried the comb home 25 miles, tied it into frames and put the bees on it. Everything is fine today. Would like to here more. BTW> I did a 24 hour varroa mite check on the bees from the wall and found only one mite. Will not treat them until fall and will do a check to see how many they have. Don From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticides and dragonflies Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:38:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7h7v8n$sje$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <926356804.468.71@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p47.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17208 "Dave Marple" wrote: >I have a couple of concerns that maybe someone could help with. I live >right by the Great Salt Lake and therefore, we have a couple things in >abundance...mosquitoes and dragonflies. >My first question is whether I should expect some ill effect on my hives due >to the county mosquito abatement sprayings? The hives are about 400 feet >from the road where they spray at nighttime or early morning hours. Are >there any pesticides in general that I should look out for? My back yard >also butts up to a 50-acre alfalfa field. The hives are about 10 feet from >the edge of the field, so I am concerned about any pesticides they might >use. Stop the truck and ask them. They probably would like to know if there are bees around. They won't mind your concern. >Second is the dragonfly question. In summer months we get many of these >guys around. Has anyone actually seen reduction in hive population due to >these alleged "bee marauders?" They eat a few but won't harm anything. They can only eat so many and hell the foragers are about to go anyway. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Wed May 12 07:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:22:35 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3735A83A.67DC2FD6@worldnet.att.net> References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 926263232 26115 12.72.2.24 (9 May 1999 15:20:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 15:20:32 GMT To: Jim Roland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17209 Bees with a sense of fashion, oh boy! Two honeybees were out for a flight one afternoon. As they passed over the heads of a group of people, one of the bees took a yarmulke out of its pocket and put it on its head. "Why did you do that?", asked the other bee. "I didn't want them to think I was a wasp.", said the first. Jim Roland wrote: > > I keep my girls in the backyard and always wear white tee shirt and > kaiki shorts when I am back there doing yard work or just spying on the > girls.(not much yard work gets done) Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a > black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. I wore it > yesterday afternoon and as I strolled past the hive as I have done a > hundred times in the last 6 weeks without incident. 5 bees jumped right > on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. It was a shock > and an amazement at the same time. I really dont even have to smoke > when I inspect. They are usually very stable and stick right on the > combs. Boy, you never know what will set them off. From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whatis Amoeba? Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:52:24 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7h2m9j$12a$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <37333293.42AE2D36@globetrotter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926211187 1098 129.173.88.206 (9 May 1999 00:53:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 00:53:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17210 Amoebas (or Amoebae?) are a single cell lifeforms or protozoa. They move around by changing their body shape and not by moving with cilia of flagellae like other Protozoa do it. Some Amoebae species conduct serious deseases in human (dysentery). You should find information about them in biology textbooks. Cheers Ulli pascal fournier wrote: > > I read in one of the posting the word "amoeba" > was described to be kind of Nosema. > I' m unable to find it in all my books. > Does someone have information? > > pascal From daffydou@bellsouth.net Wed May 12 07:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news4.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3734DF62.44ECD357@bellsouth.net> From: Margaret Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee boxes & supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:05:38 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.187.58 X-Trace: news4.mia 926211789 216.76.187.58 (Sat, 08 May 1999 21:03:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:03:09 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17211 Does anyone know of a company that manufactures the pieces to make the bee boxes. I want to go into the business of selling bee boxes and supplies and don't know where to start. This area has no real outlet for supplies locally. If anyone could help, I would be appreciative. Margaret From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:00:13 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7h4f6h$lkh$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990509115824.01974.00001229@ng-fr1.aol.com> <7h4dgo$sr@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-33.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926269457 22161 62.136.45.33 (9 May 1999 17:04:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 May 1999 17:04:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17212 My advice would be not to medicate. Bees have survived for millions of years without medication and natural selection ensured that disease stayed at acceptable levels. Now there are beekeepers pumping every possible type of medication into their hives to ensure that poor quality stock survives. The only exception that I would make is for varroa where we have little choice at present because this is not a natural disease; however, even there we can use natural substances for treatment rather than contaminating our hives with substances like fluvalinate. David Scribner wrote in message <7h4dgo$sr@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>... >JPA555 wrote in message: I am >putting >>fumidil also in the syrup? > >The syrup you're feeding them won't hurt them, and by including Fumidil-B in >the syrup you are medicating them (a good thing) to prevent Nosema, a >desease that can cause dysentery. From tceisele@mtu.edu Wed May 12 07:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: post-office woes Date: 11 May 1999 12:17:31 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17213 This is just peachy. I placed, paid for, and confirmed my package bee order way back in January, got all my equipment together and painted, got my bee feed together, had a nice site prepared, and the bees were supposed to arrive early last week (I'm in northern Michigan, so I had to wait until then for it to be warm enough). I called the post office to let them know that bees were coming, and gave them my phone number to call as soon as they arrived. I waited for the bees. And waited. And waited. And got concerned, and called the supplier, who assured me that the bees were sent on schedule. And called the post office, who said that they couldn't trace them. And called the supplier again, who told me that time (and feed) had almost certainly run out for my bees (a week had gone by since the shipping date at this point). They then told me that their shipping season was over (they are in Texas, and it is apparently too hot to reliably ship package bees anymore), and are sending me a refund. So, here I am, after looking forward to getting started all winter, with no bees. Apiaries in Texas won't ship because it's too hot, the one I called in California won't ship because it's too far, and I'm leery of buying bees from the southeast because I have no idea who may or may not have hive beetles (and while I'm sure that sooner or later, *somebody* is going to import hive beetles into northern Michigan, I'd really rather it wasn't *me*). I've been asking around with the local beekeepers (unfortunately, there aren't very many) looking for nucs, and the only one within 100 miles who can make some up for me can't have them ready until the middle of June. In any case, another beekeeper said she had ordered package bees in the middle of May last year, and 2/3 of them were dead (apparently from heat stress) by the time they arrived, so even if I could find packages at this point, they probably wouldn't work out. So, this is just *great*. Gahh. Assuming that June isn't too late to get a nuc established, I guess that's the best way to go at this point, unless there is some important point I'm missing. So, all my careful preparations were thoroughly screwed up because somebody, somewhere in the U. S. postal service, was a blithering incompetent. The folks at the bee supplier in Texas said that they've been having an unusual amount of trouble with the postal service this year, so I'm apparently not an isolated case. Anybody else been having troubles with the post office? If so, maybe we need to start complaining to the Postmaster General. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed May 12 07:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: post-office woes Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:23:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926446769 209.69.69.132 (Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:29 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:29 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17214 The US postal orifice has eaten My Queens! Orderd them from Jessup Georgia on Thursday, they were shipped out by priority mail on Friday, and they still haven't shown up today (Tuesday) I am praying that they will be in tomorrow morning! Ellen Anglin From cde049@airmail.net Wed May 12 07:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:06:51 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7h9v7r$pm5@library.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 11 14:08:44 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bTCs1k-W>VS7gf (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17215 Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) Any Ideas? Cliff From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Wed May 12 07:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:49:37 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7ha56m$k5m$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926455830 20662 129.173.88.206 (11 May 1999 20:50:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 20:50:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17216 As somebody who is more familiar with the metric system I estimate the size of your bugs is more than 10 mm. The small hive beetle grows to ~6mm. The space between lid and inner cover is also not exactly in the hive. In this bee free part I found numberous species of insects, spiders and other buggers, even once a small ant colonie. It's a perfect place for them to hide, warm, dry and dark, and some of them will take care for wax moths etc. Also inside the hive a number of species coexist with bees (not only was moths, Varroa mites, bee lice , and hive beetle)., especially on the bottom board I found a lot other arthropod species. dewitt wrote: > > Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the > Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like > insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee > what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in > the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone > through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. > > I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't > heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) > > Any Ideas? > > Cliff From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 20:56:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511165637.05083.00001236@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17217 In article , "dewitt" writes: > >Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the >Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like >insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee >what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in >the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone >through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. > The American Cockroach is often in hives, I find them just under the lid. It still startles me when they fly out, as often they do. German cockroaches, the 1/2 to 3/4 (max) lite brown I have never seen in hives. Dont worry about them, they wont do any damage. From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:56:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7ha6kd$oi0$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17218 "Anglin" wrote: >The US postal orifice has eaten My Queens! >Orderd them from Jessup Georgia on Thursday, they were shipped out by >priority mail on Friday, and they still haven't shown up today (Tuesday) I >am praying that they will be in tomorrow morning! >Ellen Anglin Any bee supplier worth his salt won't ship past Wednesday to keep them out of the weekend mail. York knows better. If you order any quanity most queen breeders will usually ship express mail if you give them an extra $10. It's well worth the little extra cost. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From taylaw@digizen.net Wed May 12 07:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.217 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:05:27 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37389B97.E5E0A7A3@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926458062 88518 209.194.78.12 (11 May 1999 21:27:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 21:27:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17219 Don't know what your bug is, but it could be anything. Last summer I opened a hive and found a yellow jacket nest (complete with yellow jackets) attached to the inside of the telescoping cover. I get coakroach type critters all the time. Guess I need to put up a "bees only" sign! Suggest you find a photo of hive beetles in ABJ or another source to see what you've got. Course, if you've got hive beetles, you should be able to tell by the dead hive :) dewitt wrote: > Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the > Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like > insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee > what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in > the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone > through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. > > I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't > heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) > > Any Ideas? > > Cliff From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 22:20:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ha6kd$oi0$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990511182024.19856.00001968@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17220 I ordered my bees from Koehnen & Sons. They came via UPS and there were very few dead bees in the bottom of the cages (less than 2 dozen). (the UPS driver brought them to my door, rung the bell, and ran without waiting for a signature. I'm sure it was his first delivery of the morning!) On the other hand, my colleague at work ordered his bees from York and somebody at the post office tipped all the packages on their sides, drenching the bees with syrup, mostly killing one package and badly weakening the other. A nearby bee supplier had a number of packages arrive in the same York shipment in similar condition. I found out that Koehnen ships with "dry" food (It actually looks gooey, but has the consistency to stay in the can) to avoid exactly that type of boo-boo. York replaced the destroyed package free of charge, but made my colleague pay the shipping bill for the replacement. jm From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding Help Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:04:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ha67l$3in$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h7js3$dtj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990510202214.07447.00000290@ng18.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926456885 3671 62.136.16.225 (11 May 1999 21:08:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 21:08:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17221 Thymol is the crystallised oil of thyme - now manufactured rather than obtained from thyme plants. It is a white crystalline substance with a very pungent aroma of thyme. It is used commercially as a food flavouring, preservative and antiseptic used for example in mouthwash. Obtainable through chemists or in bulk from specialist suppliers. I can give contacts in the UK JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990510202214.07447.00000290@ng18.aol.com>... >Thank you, but I'm not sure what "thymol is, or what type of store I would find >it in. What other practical uses does it have? >jm From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 12 07:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:06:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ha67m$3in$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <1833AB0A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926456886 3671 62.136.16.225 (11 May 1999 21:08:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 1999 21:08:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17222 Try a search engine? Anglin wrote in message ... >How do you find a company that will do this type of thing?? > >Ellen > >Peter Edwards wrote in >message news:7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... >> > I have had experience of irradiation. In my early days ..... > > From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:57:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7ha6nb$oi0$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17223 "dewitt" wrote: >Boy did I get a scare just now! I opened one of my new hives and under the >Telescoping lid, but over the inner cover, there were three "cockroach" like >insects dark brown to black about 3/4 to 1" long. Please don't let this bee >what I hope it is not. I haven't heard on any other insects co-existing in >the hive with bees but they seem to be going great guns. Each hive has gone >through 2 1/2 gallons of 1:1 syrup since last Tuesday. >I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't >heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) >Any Ideas? >Cliff Go into your hives in the winter. The cockroaches will cluster with the bees! The bees don't seem to mind. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From tomapis@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Regressing foragers Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:05:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990511190515.19147.00002000@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17224 There is an excellent article in the American Bee Journal this month on this subject...how do bees know when there is a food shortage..in that article it explains what happens with a hive under stress...foragers can regenerate the glands for producing royal jelly...they can adapt to stress up to a certain point..Its probably a good idea to have a nuc colony always on hand in case you have a bad queen either by the bees themselves or even from commerical queen producers..it happens let me tell you...good luck Tom From tomapis@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives-why would they work Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:13:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990508093726.08498.00000763@ng-ba1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990511191331.19147.00002006@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17225 Two queen colonies are extremely productive...if you live in an area where honey flows are consistent and long like clover or alfalfa for example..a two queen colony will double the amount of honey brought in because you have doubled your work force...more bees more honey..not hard to do but can be labor intensive to set up..The Russians have used this system for generations for sunflower honey. There hives are huge and very productive... From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:55:58 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511195558.10854.00001305@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17226 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From queenmkr@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:55:46 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511195546.10854.00001304@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17227 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From cde049@airmail.net Wed May 12 07:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:55:13 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7haget$t5i@library2.airnews.net> References: <7ha6nb$oi0$3@news1.Radix.Net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 11 19:02:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !d(^n1k-W3[*1NG (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17228 >>I don't think the small hive beetle is in Texas as yet at least I haven't >>heard of it. (with fingers fully crossed.) >Go into your hives in the winter. The cockroaches will >cluster with the bees! The bees don't seem to mind. Went back and grabbed one of the "bugs" and took it to an entomologist at the Zoo ( I was going there for another reason anyway) and he confirmed that my "cockroach" type bug was a cockroach!! Also my version of the "Dean" of Dallas Beekeepers happened to be in his honey house when I drove by and he explained that while it is not mentioned in any of the 14 books I have read so far and is not listed in the index of the four on my shelf that I haven't gotten to yet, other insects will share hives with bees. So I can just chalk this up to a lesson in newbee knowledge! Cliff From cde049@airmail.net Wed May 12 07:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ABJ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:01:13 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5BA9AE9A7222B7BC.1D6883612E887856.94B7DAD8F40D4222@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7hagfr$f38@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 11 19:03:08 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^(-A1k-Y/r"a8T (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17229 Did anyone else get an ABJ like mine I have one third of the magazine three times!! From bobpursley@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 00:21:21 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990511202121.13702.00000940@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17230 In article , "dewitt" writes: >in any of the 14 books I have read >so far and is not listed in the index of the four on my shelf that I haven't >gotten to yet, other insects will share hives with bees. > I usually once a year, in the winter of Mississippi (a warm day, of course), find a snake in the top of the hive. A neat wake up call when you're busy. From tginseng1@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tginseng1@aol.com (TGinseng1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grow ginseng for profit Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 00:22:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990511202256.10463.00000690@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17231 Learn to grow the most lucrative legal crop in the world. THE GINSENG JOURNAL:A BACKYARD GROWERS GUIDE is a complete manual for novice ginseng gardeners. For free info about ginseng e-mail TGinseng1@aol.com From tomapis@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening with a delayed relaease Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 May 1999 23:10:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990508094218.08498.00000764@ng-ba1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990511191055.19147.00002002@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17232 I do not recommend that approach...To introduce a new queen via the cage method requires certain things...First..never introduce a queen for at least 24 hours and even up to four days but no longer than that...second...feed the colony with sugarsyrup when introducing a queen...and remove the candy plug..you can even make a small hole with a nail to facilitate the bees releasing the queen..and make sure there is brood comb thats sealed so she will have a good supply of nurse bees to feed here..Once introduced do not open the colony for 7 to 10 days..thats a must or youll have the new queen killed...Another sure way is to develop a nucleus colony ...kill the old queen, wait 24 hours or more and then place the combs with bees and all into the colony to be requeened..spray with sugar syrup when you do this...acceptance is almost guarnteed! From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed May 12 07:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:39:02 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <3738DBB5.2DB7F97E@valley.net> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-107.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17234 Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > This is just peachy. I placed, paid for, and confirmed my package > bee order way back in January, > > So, this is just *great*. Gahh. Assuming that June isn't too late > to get a nuc established, I guess that's the best way to go at this > point, unless there is some important point I'm missing. > > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu greetings, sorry to hear about your postal service woes. if it is any consolation, you are not alone. first in answer to your semi-question, it depends a lot on your location, but i don't think mid-june is too late to start a hive from a nuc. here in new hampshire i started my first hive in the first week of june from a nuc. since i use d.e. hives, the regular frames did not fit in my hive and i had to rig up a transfer platform over the nuc to move the bees up into what became the bottom deep, which contained undrawn foundation. [someday i will post pics of this strange-looking interim hive on my website.] it was a process much more protracted than would be experienced by a keeper, who used standard sized boxes and frames, yet, that first colony produced a full super of extra honey in its first year. if you do start late, just be sure to feed them as much syrup as they will take, since you will likely miss the brunt of the flow in your area. and, consider any extra honey an unexpected bonus. don't know if you get a fall flow in your area, but if you feed consistently and your colony really builds up well, they may be ready for it. my 'you are not alone story': last year i called my local post office twice to tell them i had 2 queens arriving by mail and to please hold them for me to pick up at the main office. this was in mid-july. [i like to requeen between the spring and fall flows.] i was told that they would be glad to do it, because drivers don't like delivering bees. well, i happened to come home at lunchtime one day to walk my young dog, and what did i find in my BLACK mailbox, sitting in the bright, HOT summer sun? my package of queens, which had very clear labeling all over it identifying the contents and requesting that the package be protected FROM EXTREME HEAT AND COLD. [sorry for the shouting, but it's to the point my rant.] fortunately, i came home only minutes after the delivery, so the bees were very warm, but not cooked. the queens worked out ok, but another 10 minutes or so, and i would have been out 2 queens. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:47:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7hanlr$eg$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7ha6kd$oi0$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990511182024.19856.00001968@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17235 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >I ordered my bees from Koehnen & Sons. They came via UPS and there were very >few dead bees in the bottom of the cages (less than 2 dozen). (the UPS driver >brought them to my door, rung the bell, and ran without waiting for a >signature. I'm sure it was his first delivery of the morning!) > On the other hand, my colleague at work ordered his bees from York and >somebody at the post office tipped all the packages on their sides, drenching >the bees with syrup, mostly killing one package and badly weakening the other. >A nearby bee supplier had a number of packages arrive in the same York shipment >in similar condition. > I found out that Koehnen ships with "dry" food (It actually looks gooey, but >has the consistency to stay in the can) to avoid exactly that type of boo-boo. > York replaced the destroyed package free of charge, but made my colleague >pay the shipping bill for the replacement. >jm I avoid the whole situation by driving to GA each spring to pick up my bees along with others. My daughter goes with me during her Easter break. We drive down and spend the night. Then at 6:00 the next morning we load the bees up and haul ass for Maryland. Never have to lock the truck when we stop! In fact at lunch time we open all the doors while we eat. The packages arrive in Maryland in great shape with hardly a dead bee. Jerry Shuman has never let me down. They are good people to deal with. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 12 07:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ABJ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:53:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7hao2e$eg$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <5BA9AE9A7222B7BC.1D6883612E887856.94B7DAD8F40D4222@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17236 "dewitt" wrote: >Did anyone else get an ABJ like mine I have one third of the magazine three >times!! No but my owner's manual to my dodge truck is like that! They can't print a book any better than they can make a transmission. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed May 12 07:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 02:49:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37389B97.E5E0A7A3@digizen.net> Message-ID: <19990511224923.20824.00000834@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17237 Anybody else out there ever see checkered beetles in odd corners of the hives? Took me the longest time to find any references to them in general interest bug books. hey survive on crumbs of pollen mostly. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From GRASTICINI@CIUDAD.COM.AR Wed May 12 07:19:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!linux0.unsl.edu.ar!news.retina.ar!vnews.prima.com.ar!not-for-mail From: "GRASTICINI CECILIA" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CANKER IN CITRICS Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:18:24 -0300 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7h9s8p$oiu$16@vnews.prima.com.ar> NNTP-Posting-Host: host025110.ciudad.com.ar X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17238 i need information about this topic. it would be grateful if anyone could send it to me. thanks in advance. cecilia grasticini@ciudad.com.ar From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.voicenet.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 06:12:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17239 >the company of a quick moving 3/4" worm of small enough diameter to >lot of thin webbing, such as some insects weave. I smashed the worm > wax worm Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Wed May 12 07:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Worm in the queen cage Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:01:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 12 05:01:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.24, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17240 I hived a 3# package with a Carniolan queen this spring. And when I returned to check a week later, I found the queen dead in her cage, in the company of a quick moving 3/4" worm of small enough diameter to make its way through the holes of the plastic queen cage. The cage also had a lot of thin webbing, such as some insects weave. I smashed the worm quickly, so I didn't get a very good look. But it was light colored and smooth. There appeared to be no damage to the newly drawn foundation/ comb. Nor did I find any other worms in the hive. Any ideas what was in my queen cage? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed May 12 07:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Let's Take a Test # 3 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 06:45:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990512024512.03407.00000598@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17241 Length of time that it takes the following to go from egg to Bee. Queen ? Drone ? Worker ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 14 06:24:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: 12 May 1999 14:45:23 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926520323 000 192.168.253.46 (12 May 1999 14:45:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 14:45:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17242 wonderful, yet another thing to worry about! how do i avoid this critter? >wax worm > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 14 06:24:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: 12 May 1999 15:57:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hc8dr$6jm$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <3730a9cf.6d10@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926524667 000 192.168.253.46 (12 May 1999 15:57:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 15:57:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17243 jeez, i have been reading about all this stuff, (nosema, small hive, mites, foulbrood, wax moths,) from books, going to bee school, and reading these posts today, i am starting to have second thoughts about if i can get these ladies alive. From sball@saltspring.com Fri May 14 06:24:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:42:57 -0700 From: stephen ball Reply-To: sball@saltspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bait hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.38 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.38 X-Trace: 12 May 1999 10:46:04 -0800, 204.244.138.38 Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17244 as swarming season approaches i have been considering putting up a bait hive.a complete hive with foundation to attract swarms.any suggestions as to location and effectivness of bait hive. thanks in advance From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 14 06:24:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:50:45 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 12 12:45:15 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17245 Shelley Corbin wrote: >wonderful, yet another thing to worry about! how do i avoid this critter? >>wax worm Keep your colonies as strong as possible. Wax worms don't kill adult bees, they live off the pollen, and prefer the combs in a brood nest (especially darker brood comb... the more pupal skins in the cells the better it seems). The queen probably died from other causes in the original post, and the wax moth larva found a safe haven inside the queen cage (they're good at finding "safe havens" inside a bee hive). The larvae burrow through the mid-rib of the comb and can destroy good comb in no time. A strong colony will keep wax moths at bay, but when they weaken enough to let the wax moth get a strong foothold, the moth's larvae will destroy brood comb (and no doubt, brood dies when the damage is great enough). The wax moth will lay eggs in the hive (again, a strong hive will keep this down), the eggs hatch into a larva, the larva destroy the comb in the process of eating (leaving a mass of webbing and little black specks of dung behind them), then spin themselves into a cacoon and pupate into a moth. They'll chew up little "football-shape" indentations in your wood hive parts when they spin these cacoons (and like to tunnel between the top bar and its wedge cleat as well), damaging your wooden ware. Actually, even though the wax moth is a pest, it actually does some good in that it really only takes hold on very weak or abandoned hives, cleaning out any diseased comb in the process. This helps to keep the spread of that disease down should other bees eventually come along and inhabit the old hive. It's too bad that it can ruin equipment (and make a nasty mess) in the process! Some beekeepers use the larva as fish bait, some even fry the suckers up and eat them (if that's your thing). If you are storing drawn empty comb (NO honey), moth balls or crystals of 100% paradichlorobenzene will kill the eggs that may be lurking on the frames (very likely). Supers can also be stored in breezy, sunny areas for a time to keep the wax moths away (just make sure sun can reach the comb, and it's not too hot to melt your combs if you do). Comb honey producers, after harvesting the honeycomb, will freeze it before shelving it to prevent an eggs lurking on the comb from hatching and ruining the beautiful comb they've harvested. Wax moths like dark places, so don't leave supers of honey stored waiting to be extracted for too long before you extract them either! The season for wax moths is spring to fall. If you want to see first hand what they are like, just leave a hive laying around where the colony has died out over the winter and you'll find out! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 14 06:24:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 18:48:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc3cv$43k6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990512144836.29306.00001028@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17246 A new queen costs me about 2 qts of honey more or less. As a one or two hive keeper purchased queens make good sense. As a town beekeeper young queens help keep swarming down. Somebody raising queens in an area with thousands of hives is gonna have better mating than you can expect in town. When you get your new queen hedge your bet by making a nucleus colony and requeening with that. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Malley@netdoor.com Fri May 14 06:24:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <3gj_2.24$LI5.3971@axe.netdoor.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:51:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.87 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 926531711 208.137.149.87 (Wed, 12 May 1999 12:55:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:55:11 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17247 I to am a first year beekeeper. And I must agree with the two earlier post on you need to do some more basic reading before you even start considering to keep bees. I read two books before ordering my hive and more before they came in. I also work with a friend that is a beekeeper. If you can find someone in your area work with them and read,read, and read. You can also learn a lot form this news group. I have. Just a Newbee. kay wrote in message <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net>... >I am about to get a beehive for the first time.I know some of the basics but >have some questions I hope you can answer. >(1)Is it essential to have the smoke bellows,I have seen bee-keepers tending >hives without using smoke or any protective clothing,a bee-keeper friend >says that using smoke is essential or the bees will try to attack. >(2)Does the hive need to be situated in a certain place,I was thinking of >putting it in a corner of the garden which gets no sun and is a bit damp,or >even putting it in an outhouse which has a gate so access for the bees is >not restricted,again this is cold and damp.Neither of these places are ideal >but will they be o.k. >(3)Once I have collected a swarm do I just put them in the hive and let them >get on with it or is there some preparation involved beforehand? >(4)Does the honey need to be collected regularly or could I leave the bees >all season without ever even visiting the hive?Obviously I do want to get >honey from time to time but is there any detrimental effect by not >collecting it say once a week? >(5)Apart from the protective clothing,smoke bellows,hive and bees are there >any other essential items of equipment needed? >Thanks for any help. >cynicoid@hotmail.com > > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 14 06:24:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buy a new Queen or leave alone Date: 12 May 1999 14:31:59 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hc3cv$43k6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990505213334.01057.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> <3731ed10.f5dc74d0@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926519519 000 192.168.253.46 (12 May 1999 14:31:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 14:31:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17248 i will be getting my first hive tomorrow. i live in the city, so i dont know how many other bee keepers are around. are you saying that there is no way to ensure a good number of drones are created for mating every year? i would have to buy a new queen in the mail every year? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "John A. Taylor" wrote: > >Letting nature take its course would be a disaster. The chances of getting a mated >and producing queen are near zero. > >On the other hand, you should probably wait until you're sure of who will be the >new superceduure queen before you requeen. Otherwise, a supercedure queen may >emerge and kill your brand new mated queen. > >Good luck! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri May 14 06:25:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Mon, 10 May 99 12:33:34 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1833AB0A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17249 In article "rick" writes: > >American foulbrood is the Armegeddon of the honeybee colony. Destruction by >fire is the only course of action. There are two other treatments for AFB: ETO chambers and irradiation. I have used neither, ETO chambers have been banned in most states (I think Maryland is one of two states that still allow ETO chambers). Irradiation is highly effective in treating AFB (spores included). Facilities may be found at medical colleges and food packing plants. As treatment facilities become more commonplace irradiation may become the preferred treatment for AFB. And no, treated hives do not glow in the dark. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri May 14 06:25:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small hive beetles Date: Mon, 10 May 99 12:57:43 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <1833AB64AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17250 In article <17645-37363933-46@newsd-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> beegrl@webtv.net (Cherish Tietsworth) writes: > >I've just found out that the small hive beetle has been found in >Pennsylvania. Apparently it came along in a package of bees from down >south. Is anyone aware of other states experiencing the same problem? The following was posted on April 29 to BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu "I was listening to NPR radio this morning and a story was told how the African hive beetle has now arrived in Ohio. They were found in the greater Columbus area in a shipment of two thousand packages. >From what I understand the packages came from South Carolina and they were found at five locations in Ohio so far." Shortly thereafter an update was posted. From: "Kim Flottum, Editor Bee Culture" Subject: Re: Hive Beetles are now in Ohio "Yes, hive beetles have arrived in Ohio. About 100 or so packages arrived, all from South Carolina, all from the same producer. They came to 4 different pplaces and most, if not all of the final customers have been located. Ohio immediately applied for, an emergency Section 18 label for coumophos and it was available as of Tuesday. Ohio Inspectors have visited, or will soon be visiting each customer (beekeeper) to explain the situation. There are NO provisions for depopulation, only treatment " The packages reportedly came from Blue Ridge Apiaries, which prompted Malibu Skipper to write, "Kinda makes you long for the good ol' days when Blue Ridge Apiaries took your money and kept their bees!" Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From seby@physio-control.com Fri May 14 06:25:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news14.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37372EA1.4564CDC2@physio-control.com> From: Scott Eby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive References: <7gnsd5$2l6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <7h4l65$e3t$1@cletus.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.31.209.3 X-Trace: news14.ispnews.com 926363335 192.31.209.3 (Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:55 EDT Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:08:17 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17251 I ordered a package w/marked queen and a single marked queen for my existing hive. The package queen was marked white and the single queen was marked green. When I asked my supplier, she said that the package supplier didn't like the colored paint that was available, so all of the packages were marked with white-out this year. Scott Eby Kenmore, Wash. Dennis Scott wrote: > George Styer wrote in message > news:7go3cd$je7$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net... > > I believe this is the 2nd reference (maybe the same person) to a Q with a > > yellow mark from a package. Are package suppliers really shipping 1997 > > stock? This could be particularly problematic for a beginner getting a 2 > > year old Buckfast that will soon be superceded, given the potential for > > aggression in the offspring of the F1 daughter. > > > > Have the breeders in TX been affected by the weather? Where are the green > > marks? It is still > > B=0, 5 > > W=1, 6 > > Y=2, 7 > > R=3, 8 > > G=4, 9 > > isn't it or did that change to make the bees Y2K compliant? > > I have you all beat, my queens were marked white this year. Does that > mean they are old or really really old? LOL Or do we have a new system in > beekeeping where we mark them with a replace date now? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 14 06:25:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: 12 May 1999 15:10:15 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hc5kn$u9q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990510080551.17801.00001351@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926521815 000 192.168.253.46 (12 May 1999 15:10:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 15:10:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17252 my bees, which i will get tomarrow, will be in a big, 6ft fence cage. i have been told they will fly over the cage and not thru the cage. will they attack folks in dark colors they can see from the hive thru the cage, by flying over the cage and attack them? or do they feel safe enough behind the cage not to attack? From dsg5@flash.net Fri May 14 06:25:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "dsg5" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:22:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.180.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 926522520 209.30.180.134 (Wed, 12 May 1999 10:22:00 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:22:00 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17253 BeeCrofter wrote: >You got a male carpenter bee guarding his territory and investigating >everything that moves. >He will not harm you- enjoy the airshow. >Tom Ahh . . . carpenter bee . . . I did a web search on these things and learned a thing or two. They mentioned how they will chew into old wood and make a 1/4" hole and leave sawdust on the ground . . . well, danged if I didn't see sawdust on the ground last fall and wonder where it came from. I checked the bottom side of a bracing board, and bingo! there was the 1/4" hole, round as it could be. The bee came flying by with a load of pollen on its back legs and went into his home, and I said to myself, "Gee . . . " Upon closer examination, it looks more like a very large housefly than your everyday bee . . . Ok . . . two more questions . . . 1) I saw only one bee. I thought bees lived with lots of relatives . . . is my fence likely to be full of these things? 2) If he's boring 1/4" holes in my fence, can he (and any relatives) be making other holes in my house? Do I need to waste this fella before he eats me out of house & home? Thanks for the info . . . --dsg From tceisele@mtu.edu Fri May 14 06:25:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: 12 May 1999 12:17:23 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7hbrgj$2rv$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <926471447.718.9@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17254 Eric K. Engelhard <"e.engelhard("@)worldnet.att.net> wrote: : Timothy C. Eisele wrote: : > So, all my careful preparations were thoroughly screwed up because : > somebody, somewhere in the U. S. postal service, was a blithering : > incompetent. The folks at the bee supplier in Texas said that they've : > been having an unusual amount of trouble with the postal service this : > year, so I'm apparently not an isolated case. Anybody else : > been having troubles with the post office? If so, maybe we need to : > start complaining to the Postmaster General. : > : > Tim Eisele : > tceisele@mtu.edu : A few weeks ago I had five 3 pound packages delivered from Allen's Bee Ranch : (530-221-1458) via the US Postal Service. The postman was eager to be rid of : the bees, but they arrived in great condition and all five hives are doing : well. Be advised that these bees were shipped only the short distance from : the Central Valley to San Francisco. Normally, I would have picked them up : myself. We just returned to the US, however, and do not have a car (which is : fine when there isn't a place to park, anyway). The hives themselves are : parked on the roof of our three story building right across from the Golden : Gate Park. Today I sat next to the hives for a half hour on a beautiful day : and looked over the park. No complaints. Try to find a local beekeeper for a : nuke. Getting a queen by mail is much easier than a package. Ok, I'm happier now. I've made arrangements with a relatively nearby commercial beekeeper for three nucs, which he will install into my brood boxes, and have ready for me to bring home around June 20th. All things considered, I may actually be further ahead at that point than I would have been if my packages had actually arrived. And all for slightly *less* than packages cost (after including postage). I probably should have gone the nuc route in the first place, and saved myself a lot of sweat and aggravation. I guess that I'll never order package bees through the mail again, at least not if I can help it. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From todd@interadnet.com Fri May 14 06:25:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: todd@interadnet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd Bee-haviour Message-ID: <373d995b.75601288@news.emji.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:07:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.22.135.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net 926521659 207.22.135.3 (Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:39 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net.POSTED!iceman.emji.net!doorman.interadnet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17255 A friend and I recently started our first hive (Midnites) in Apex NC. Weather has been fine, queen is laying well, fairly strong activity. We have been feeding the bees constantly since the begining of april. However, lately they seem to have dropped off. Sugar water that would be gone in 2-3 days now lasts over a week. I was under the impression that they would need to be fed for 3 months. Should I continue to provide sugar water anyway? Will it go bad? Or should I pull the bottle? Second Issue. We kept an entrace reducer on the hive till just this last week. (Temps were down to low 60's some nights) Now we notice that the girls are chewing on the entrace. (Maybe their cleaning but it looks like chewing to me). These were used hives. At first we assumed the girls were working to make the entrace bigger. But now that the reducer's gone, they continue to widen the opening. Is this cause for concern? let us Know. Todd Apex NC todd@interadnet.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:50:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hct8j$epf$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> <3gj_2.24$LI5.3971@axe.netdoor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 926546003 15151 62.136.93.200 (12 May 1999 21:53:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 21:53:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17256 Well said! But remember that many beekeepers do not do things the 'right' way - even if they are old hands. If you have read the books, you will then be able to identify bad practice as well as good - and learn from that as well. I remember in my first year attending lectures by a local beekeeper - regarded as a good teacher (probably because he was retired and had the time to run Association meetings) - who was still promoting theory that had been discredited 20 or more years ago. Those who had not read up to date books believed every word - and will no doubt pass them on to some of the next generation! Robert Malley wrote in message <3gj_2.24$LI5.3971@axe.netdoor.com>... >I to am a first year beekeeper. And I must agree with the two earlier post >on you need to do some more basic reading before you even start considering >to keep bees. I read two books before ordering my hive and more before they >came in. I also work with a friend that is a beekeeper From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: requeening Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 21:55:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hcrm4$qpd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <19990512175555.29957.00001140@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17257 You probably had two things happen..one is that you didnt get all the queens cells and had one hatch around the same time you introduced your new queen ...or you opened the hive too soon after introducing her..Need to leave the hive alone for at least four days then do a very quick check to see that she has been released...if not you can then let her go..Problem I have found in requeening hives that swarm is that they have a new queen in place..best to let them raise there own.While they are doing that..set up a nuc and get your queen by mail...put a frame of sealed brood with bees and frame of pollen and honey and shake more bees in this nuc and then feed it like crazy with sugar syrup..Once the queen is accepted and laying place her in the the hive that swarmed bees and all...spray them and the colony your placing her in with sugar syrup..almost a sure 100% chance of acceptance..Plus it tells you if she is a good laying queen..By that time you will know if the colony that swarmed has a queen and if so you can kill here..wait 24 hours and then introduce your nuc queen.. Good luck! Tom From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 22:05:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990512180501.29957.00001152@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17258 Need to know where you live...feeding is usually done for a number of reasons...In the north it helps with brood production and gets the queen laying..so when the first spring flows start you have a strong colony...but be careful of swarming ...hives that are fed swarm more redely....Once a strong flow starts your bees will stop or slow down taking the sugar syrup...Watch hive entrance for increased activity and pollen gatherers...stop feeding them at this point and place supers...shallow;..on top ...at least two if they are foundation and three if they are drawn comb...and really watch for swarm sign!!!! Good luck Tom From sorry@no.spam Fri May 14 06:25:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rodney Isom" Subject: Disinfecting used hive Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:04:05 -0500 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <#vX80FMn#GA.184@newstoo.hiwaay.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.147.154.58!news.hiwaay.net NNTP-Posting-Host: max16-208-147-153-108.dialup.HiWAAY.net 208.147.153.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17259 Hi guys, I got a used beehive for free from a relative who ran across it in a storage building. He doesn't know where it came from or what happened to the bees that were originally in it. It needs cleaning up & painting, but otherwise the body seems to be in fairly good shape. I've read that to insure against foulbrood, you must scorch the inside of the hive thoroughly with a torch or something. My question is: After doing that, what else should be done to the inside of the hive before installing bees? Does the burned wood need to be sanded or cleaned somehow, or just left alone? Thanks for the help, Rodney -------------------------- Rodney Isom Arab, AL **Please post replies to group** From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Horizzontal Swarm Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 22:07:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc6ov$hnb$1@gxsn.com> Message-ID: <19990512180747.29957.00001155@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17260 sounds like my experince..had one land in an apple tree about 15 feet up..and tried to saw the limb slowly so it would bend down into my bushel basket I was holding..well guess what..apple wood is brittle...SNAP!! and down went 5 pounds of bees on the ground..up my pants and in my pants.( had a hole in my seat)..Yep...swarms can be really fiesty!! Tom From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bee-haviour NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 22:25:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373d995b.75601288@news.emji.net> Message-ID: <19990512182522.29957.00001166@ng-xa1.aol.com> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17261 Hi Todd..no its not odd behaviour...bees really arent chewing on the entrance although it looks that way...its called scrubbing motion..no one knows for sure what prompts this activity...as too your sugar syrup not beeing consumed...you probably have a flow coming in and that will slow down their consumption..since you have fed them make sure you have a laying queen and that they have enough room to store honey and not preparing to swarm..your going to have a real possible chance of that when you feed bees in the spring.. Tom From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Let's Take a Test # 3 Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 22:28:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512024512.03407.00000598@ng-ci1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990512182855.29957.00001167@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17262 16 days for the queen; 21 for workers and 24 for drones From cd_rasmussen@bigfoot.com Fri May 14 06:25:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cd_rasmussen@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:10:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7hc95f$avg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990504140407.07591.00000988@ngol06.aol.com> <372F6091.747B16C2@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.25.183.42 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 12 16:10:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.25.183.42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17263 David can you post the details of your TBH design. I am interested in making one and the idea of sharing equipment is appealing. Thanks, Costa In article <372F6091.747B16C2@bellsouth.net>, David Lynes wrote: > I have 4 top bar hives, and think it is a great way to start, especially if you > size it so that you can use some standard equipment, --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From bobpursley@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bait hive Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 21:36:36 GMT References: <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990512173636.17930.00001253@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17264 In article <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com>, stephen ball writes: > >as swarming season approaches i have been considering putting up a >bait hive.a complete hive with foundation to attract swarms.any >suggestions as to location and effectivness of bait hive. thanks in >advance > I dont recommend a complete hive with foundation, an old box with an old comb works fine. Put 10-15 ft off the ground, sheltered from wind, visible. The swarm lures are effective. From beetools@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeen or buy a new one? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 23:17:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990512191731.20336.00000960@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17265 Here are some thoughts on this age old question. A new queen, as someone recently noted, cost about as much as two quarts of honey. The loss of a queen and the cycle of queen replacement is 16 days for egg-to-hatch, 4-6 days mating, and about a week (or more) until full laying capacity. That's a 3 (at best) to 4 weeks period of lost brood production and the associated. Think about how many quarts of honey that is equal to in terms of lost honey production? Queens don't sound so expensive any more, do they? Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From herschel1960@my-dejanews.com Fri May 14 06:25:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: herschel1960@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeening Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:26:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7hcrm4$qpd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.27.165.242 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 12 21:26:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; MSN 2.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.27.165.242 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17266 My hive swarmed May 3 I removed all queen cells in the original hive and gave them a caged queen May 8. Monday May 10 the bees had eaten the candy but the queen was not out yet so I removed the screen wire and let her out.Tuesday May 11 she is on the ground in front of hive DEAD.What did I do Wrong? Should I order another queen and try again? any advice will be gladly accepted. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From cd_rasmussen@bigfoot.com Fri May 14 06:25:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cd_rasmussen@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:28:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7hcrp2$qq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.25.183.42 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 12 21:28:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.25.183.42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17267 Check out dmoz.org/Science/Agriculture/Beekeeping/Solitary_Bees/ at Solitary_Bees Costa Rasmussen In article <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" wrote: > Last year we had a leafcutter bee using a hole in our metal porch rail > (underneath the 2x4 wooden top rail) as a nest. We got a kick out of > watching her bring back pieces of leaves and loads of pollen under her > belly, taking them into the hole for her nest. > > This year, her prodigy is back and we would like to provide her a few more > holes to nest in. I've searched the web but can not find any information as > to what size hole is best for the leafcutter bee to use. The closest I've > found is a site that sells nesting blocks. They mention that they use 5/16" > holes for the blue orchard mining bee, and say the nesting block for the > leafcutter bee has "slightly smaller" holes, but don't mention the size > (1/4" perhaps?). > > The entrance in the metal rail looks to be about 5/16", but what is the best > size hole for the leafcutter bee? I've got a dead apple tree limb outside, > about 4" in diameter. I figured I would take a 1 foot section of the limb > and drill 3 to 3 1/2" deep holes down one side of it and place it near her > current nesting location. > > If anyone could enlighten me as to the right size diameter holes to drill I > would greatly appreciate it! > > Thanks in advance, > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From adamf@vt.edu Fri May 14 06:25:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: 12 May 1999 19:17:02 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7hck3e$h8e$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <926471447.718.9@news.remarQ.com> <7hbrgj$2rv$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17268 In article <7hbrgj$2rv$1@campus1.mtu.edu>, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > >I guess that I'll never order package bees through the mail again, at >least not if I can help it. Local nucs from neighbor beekeepers, rule! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From beetools@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bee-haviour Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 23:23:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373d995b.75601288@news.emji.net> Message-ID: <19990512192345.20336.00000962@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17269 Only mix up as much syrup as you are going to use and do not feed bees stored syrup unless you have boiled it. After about a week, sugar syraup can change into some pretty "nasty" "wine" which at best will give the bees diarrhea, or at worst, kill them. I just had a customer bring me a split and upon opening the box, all most all the bees are dead in a pile, a few are "staggering" around the hive. He had fedd them one month old feed. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From beetools@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 23:30:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc5kn$u9q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990512193034.20336.00000964@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17270 Never say never, but I'm writing this wearing (remember, I'm no fashion hound so no commets on my taste in cloths) dark wine-colored sweat pants, a dark gray T-shirt and a dark green and black plaid overshirt and have been walking in front and in back (2 feet from them and all around) five of my hives near the store in fornt of the used equipment storage shed. Outside of a few bees "crashing" into me as I interrupted their flight path to/from the hives, I have never had a problems with them. I have never beeen stung or "attacked" by them either. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey comb Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 21:58:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512123045.26171.00001451@ngol01.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990512175840.29957.00001145@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17271 Actually the wax has no nutritional value but its fun to chew...the foundation used is very thin and has to be ordered for use as comb or chunk honey..its a top selling product at any bee stand if the honey is light or amber and the comb white...need a very good steady nectar flow for this production and it must be taken off the hive once the comb is sealed or you will get stains from bees walking on the cappings..Tryed it once and really sold fast! Tom From beetools@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 23:36:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc8dr$6jm$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990512193637.20336.00000965@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17272 Don't fret, bees are easy to keep alive if you stay on top of a treatment program. It only seems intimidating because you haven't done it yet. Read about what any pet can get and what you have to treat them for, or better yet, how about all the stuff a human baby can come down with, let alone all the thing you can catch!!!! Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 21:59:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512123805.10852.00001498@ngol04.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990512175933.29957.00001147@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17273 Hi Al...not sure what you mean by top bar hive...please explain Tom From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 14 06:25:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:44:30 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo6-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 12 11:38:54 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17274 Last year we had a leafcutter bee using a hole in our metal porch rail (underneath the 2x4 wooden top rail) as a nest. We got a kick out of watching her bring back pieces of leaves and loads of pollen under her belly, taking them into the hole for her nest. This year, her prodigy is back and we would like to provide her a few more holes to nest in. I've searched the web but can not find any information as to what size hole is best for the leafcutter bee to use. The closest I've found is a site that sells nesting blocks. They mention that they use 5/16" holes for the blue orchard mining bee, and say the nesting block for the leafcutter bee has "slightly smaller" holes, but don't mention the size (1/4" perhaps?). The entrance in the metal rail looks to be about 5/16", but what is the best size hole for the leafcutter bee? I've got a dead apple tree limb outside, about 4" in diameter. I figured I would take a 1 foot section of the limb and drill 3 to 3 1/2" deep holes down one side of it and place it near her current nesting location. If anyone could enlighten me as to the right size diameter holes to drill I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks in advance, --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bee-haviour Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:31:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hct8f$epf$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <373d995b.75601288@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 926545999 15151 62.136.93.200 (12 May 1999 21:53:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 21:53:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17275 The idea is that the bees feed you! Sounds like they have have found better forage that sugar syrup. todd@interadnet.com wrote in message <373d995b.75601288@news.emji.net>... >A friend and I recently started our first hive (Midnites) in Apex NC. >Weather has been fine, queen is laying well, fairly strong activity. >We have been feeding the bees constantly since the begining of april. > From beetools@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 23:40:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990512194040.20336.00000966@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17276 Looking back on soem issues of Farm Journal from the fifties, I remember a 4H project fund risier project for nests for leafcutters where they took milk cartons, cut ott the top, painted the inside black, and stuffed it full of waxpaper straws. I'm sure you could use palstic straws and achieve the same net results. Ron Bennett Luciamute Bee http://members.oal.com/beetools From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey comb Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:38:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7hct8h$epf$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990512123045.26171.00001451@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 926546001 15151 62.136.93.200 (12 May 1999 21:53:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 21:53:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17277 The wax passes straight through! So it is neutral - unless you use Bayvarol or Apistan to treat for varroa, in which case it will be contaminated with flumethrin or fluvalinate respectively as they are lipophilic (i.e. they dissolve in wax). Jajwuth wrote in message <19990512123045.26171.00001451@ngol01.aol.com>... >I recently viewed a video on making and packaging honey comb of various types. > >It is quite an impressive product. > >How does the consumer use the honey comb? > >Do they consume the wax and is it nutritious? Part of the wax would be >foundation I assume. > >Al > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Let's Take a Test # 3 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:28:54 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hct8e$epf$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990512024512.03407.00000598@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 926545998 15151 62.136.93.200 (12 May 1999 21:53:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 21:53:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17278 Assuming that we are not talking about ahb or capensis: 15-16; 24; 21. May vary dependent on temperature so bank on 15 for the queen if you are queen rearing - else the first one out kills the rest! Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990512024512.03407.00000598@ng-ci1.aol.com>... >Length of time that it takes the following to go from egg to Bee. > >Queen ? > >Drone ? > >Worker ? > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 22:17:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Message-ID: <19990512181737.29957.00001159@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17279 Sounds like you really got blasted by some beekeepers...all said and done..all of us have to read about bees ...the never cease to amaze me and frustrate me but thats the fun of it..Find a local beekeeper and spend a few days working with him and asking questions..we beekeepers love to talk about bees..especially to new ones such as yourself..the main thing is to watch them...YES watch them see how they work and just sit by your hives and observe them..their great teachers if you let them be..AND READ..there is so much out there on the subject...I recommend some videos that you can purchase from Bushy Mountain Bees..also get the Amercan Bee Journal and Beeculure from A.I.Root company...and GO TO IT!!! Tom From jajwuth@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 May 1999 16:38:05 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990512123805.10852.00001498@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17280 How does the queen excluder principle work with a top bar hive. Isn't there a possibility of the brood portion mixing with the honey portion and would this be a problem. Al From orangerose@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wie finde ich die Königin? (translated) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 00:41:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc2k0$2fd$1@newsread.f.de.uu.net> Message-ID: <19990512204123.29966.00001015@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17281 The gist of this guys question is that he has a hive that is getting ready to swarm (the hive has built queen-cells) and he wants to make a split, but he can't seem to find the queen. He's sure she's there because he sees eggs and larvae in the cells. I guess she was at one time marked but he still can't find her. He wants to know how to find the queen. My bee-knowledge and German language skills are too limited to help directly, but if someone posts a response I can translate. (I have a German in house to help me...) Kelly From calin@ozemail.com.au Fri May 14 06:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:06:09 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <373A2581.44EF1611@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990512123805.10852.00001498@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 926557538 22261 203.63.79.234 (13 May 1999 01:05:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 1999 01:05:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17282 Jajwuth wrote: > How does the queen excluder principle work with a top bar hive. > I have not kept a top bar I have but I have seen videos of them. I learnt about them from Athol Desmond who lives in Zibubwae. Top bar hives are strongly promoted in Africa among the peasant community. These people cannot afford the more convention hive structure most of us are used to. Their "traditional" hive is any hollow log that happens to be around. Managing bees in a hollow log is ... well ... not very practical. The top bar hive is the compromise because it is cheap, any one can make their own a of scrap timber. It is shaped like a drinking troth used for horses or cattle. Top is open and about twice as wide as the bottom. The slope of the sides and the depth of the box match the shape of the comb bees make naturally. Consequently the are not inclined join their combs to the side or the bottom of the box. The "frames" do not require side bars or bottom bars. The top bar is all that is required. No foundation is used. The top bars are wider than the ones we normally use because the are meant to touch each other and "close off" the top of the hive. You cannot enlarge the hive by putting one box on top of the other (the way most of us do it). Typically you build it so that is long enough for full strength colony (about 30 "frames"). There would be a lot of empty space in the off peak season. The entrance is at only one end of the hive. The bees raise brood close to the entrance. Stores are located just beyond the brood. The bees seem to have their own "virtual excluder" between stores and brood . I suppose you could make an excluder shaped like the "frames" so that it touches the sides and the bottom. You would hang it in the hive as if it were another "frame". The bees are likely to stick in place with propolis so moving it may be difficult. However you don't need to remove the excluder to see the brood. When you open the hive, start at the back and work towards the entrance. From lithar@midwest.net Fri May 14 06:25:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:21:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> References: <19990512123805.10852.00001498@ngol04.aol.com> <373A2581.44EF1611@ozemail.com.au> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.56 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:30:02 GMT X-Trace: 926559002.106.85 JF3D7GB4M1C38D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17283 Give these sites a look-see - lots of excellent info and plans. AL http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbhplan.gif http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/my_tbh.html http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From beeman@kingston.net Fri May 14 06:25:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: requeening Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:08:25 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <373A5E49.4C54@kingston.net> References: <7hcrm4$qpd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.84 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:10:08 GMT X-Trace: 926561408.899.80 QANSHOMNI3454CDD2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17284 > My hive swarmed May 3 I removed all queen cells in the original hive > and gave them a caged queen May 8. Monday May 10 the bees had eaten the > candy but the queen was not out yet so I removed the screen wire and > let her out.Tuesday May 11 she is on the ground in front of hive > DEAD.What did I do Wrong? Should I order another queen and try again? > any advice will be gladly accepted. I usually wait 7 days before I check for acceptance. I leave the hive queenless for a few days. Its longer then necessary but I have had good luck with it so I stick with what works for me. If you can get a new queen soon then order one. In the mean time you could carefully check for queencells. You could let them make their own. It will set you back in brood about 30 days. > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From calin@ozemail.com.au Fri May 14 06:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bait hive Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:09:24 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <373A2644.F7065B99@ozemail.com.au> References: <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 926557729 22261 203.63.79.234 (13 May 1999 01:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 1999 01:08:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17285 stephen ball wrote: > i have been considering putting up a bait hive.a complete hive with > foundation to attract swarms Athol Desmond told me that in Zimbabwe the use a lot of bait hives for swarm. They find propolis is the best bait. From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wie finde ich die Königin? (translated) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 02:39:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512204123.29966.00001015@ng-xa1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990512223930.05019.00002463@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17286 I understood some of his question but my German has much to be desired..please let him know that I did enjoy reading it though! Have him go ahead and make the split..keeping some queens cells in each split and then check in three days or four and see which split has eggs..thats the one with the queen...another way I have used is to place a queen excluder betweent the splits and smoke the bees down...gently lift the upper split and see if she is on the excluder..its worked for me a number of times..she maybe dead too...or they may have swarmed...so there may not be a queen present.....hope this helps him..please ask him where in Germany he is from please..thank you! :) Tom From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeen or buy a new one? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 02:41:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512191731.20336.00000960@ng-fw1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990512224147.05019.00002465@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17287 Well I agree accept I feel that prices have gotten high..If you requeen with out destroying the old queen and use a Snelgrove board..you wont loose that much time in brood production and maintain a good colony to make honey... Tom From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri May 14 06:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:54:01 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <373A30B8.B9A947E8@valley.net> References: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarq.com> <37362828.ee3bd0ce@megalink.net> <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17288 greetings, Shelley Corbin wrote: > for some reason, i cant find the answers to the questions i asked last > week. should i hold off putting on supers until i have quit feeding them? > yes, but the answer is sort of your question in reverse; keep feeding them, until you are ready to put on supers. you want to feed them all they will take, so you will get good comb production. i also like to think that by feeding them a lot, they tend to fill available brood box honey storage areas with syrup based honey. this way there is less empty comb to fill in the brood boxes when the flow begins and more nectar goes into the supers for surplus honey. [although, when a flow is on, they seem able to haul in so much nectar in such a short time that my strategy may be irrelevant.] when do you put on supers? when the major nectar producing plants in your area come into bloom, an event which is regionally and annually highly variable. a common 'rule of thumb' indicator for the start of the spring flow is when your yard suddenly explodes in dandelion blooms. but, you should check with beekeepers in your area to be sure. another 'r-o-t' indicator is when your bees stop taking syrup [because significant quantities of tastier food sources have become available, i.e.. 'the flow']. however, this isn't always true and some bees may keep taking syrup as long as it is available. the above assumes that the bees have fully drawn out and filled [or nearly so] the frames in the brood boxes. you want those boxes drawn out before adding supers, otherwise your bees may be short of storage space come fall. they like to move 'up' as they work and may not draw out the outer frames of foundation, if there is fresh foundation above them. then, come fall, when it is more difficult to get them to draw out foundation, they are short of critical storage space for food. > how long do i wait? a few days, a week before putting supers on? > see above. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From casfam1@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeen or buy a new one? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 02:30:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512191731.20336.00000960@ng-fw1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990512223022.22408.00002485@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17289 Thanks for the advice re. new queen. as I am very new to this whole bee thing and still learning my way around , I'm shure to make some blunders. any advice is helpfull. Do you have any queens or know where I may get them localy. I live very near to you and have been meaning to look you up for months.( Jefferson) Two of my four hives have queen cells . they now have laying queens so I won't be losing as much brood production as it may seem . do you still think I should re-queen? I know nothing about how to go about selling my honey so at this point a loss of production wouldn't mean much to me . thanks for responding to my post . Gary Caswell From euroxboy@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey comb Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 04:18:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512175840.29957.00001145@ng-xa1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990513001807.10317.00001065@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17290 Actually I've been tossing aroud the idea of cutting small comb chunks and inserting in my 12 oz. jars and seeing how they sell. I've done a few at the farm and they sold fast, I'm wondering just how they might sell at the farmers market this summer. Keith From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri May 14 06:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) May 12 Update : Date: Thu, 13 May 99 04:20:13 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.150 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:20:03 GMT X-Trace: 926572803.634.89 KRFRRPH9I9896CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17291 Hi, Checked the hive today . VERY numerous bees in BOTH older brood boxes, they were all I could pick-up, without jarring them; didn't check the new one . They're looking over the new supers, and beginning to put sticky goo on them . This property supported over 25 stands, when I was in high school, looks like it can still support one, if I feed them a lot . GREAT advice; thanks . Ken . From davekern@hotmail.com Fri May 14 06:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Required Space Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:37:45 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <926573810.597.12@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.147.150 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:36:50 GMT X-Trace: 926573810.597.12 EBWSELLPC9396D862C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17292 I own about 2.5 acres in Southern California that has a small avocado grove on it along with our house. I am considering getting bees as a hobby and to help with the trees. But, with that said, I also have two small children. How much space is required to have bees? If I put the hive down in the grove will they do their thing and pretty much leave us alone? Don't get me wrong about not wanting them around, I just want to enjoy out doors without the fear of our kids getting stung. Safety, Safety! With that said I am excited at the prospect of bees. Does anyone know of good bee equipment, etc. in San Diego County? Thanks in advance. Dave From davekern@hotmail.com Fri May 14 06:25:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Required space Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:35:34 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <926573679.435.100@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.147.150 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:34:39 GMT X-Trace: 926573679.435.100 EBWSELLPC9396D862C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17293 I own about 2.5 acres in Southern California that has a small avocado grove on it along with our house. I am considering getting bees as a hobby and to help with the trees. But, with that said, I also have two small children. How much space is required to have bees? If I put the hive down in the grove will they do their thing and pretty much leave us alone? Don't get me wrong about not wanting them around, I just want to enjoy out doors without the fear of our kids getting stung. Safety, Safety! With that said I am excited at the prospect of bees. Does anyone know of good bee equipment, etc. in San Diego County? Thanks in advance. Dave From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 14 06:25:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Horizzontal Swarm Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 13:42:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512180747.29957.00001155@ng-xa1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990513094252.22575.00000025@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17294 >had one land in an apple tree about 15 feet up..and >tried to saw the limb slowly so it would bend down into my bushel basket I >was Saw a series of kerfs or slots about 1/2 inch apart a little less than halfway through and you can bend many trees over to the point where the swarm is a foot above your box. I have done this with a swarm about 30' up a tree (black cherry) that was ok to cut down . I learned this trick from some guys who were taking a tree down that was over a greenhouse and a tile roof who had no bucket truck. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 14 06:25:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: 13 May 1999 15:05:41 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hepo5$1e0g$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926607941 000 192.168.253.46 (13 May 1999 15:05:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 1999 15:05:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17295 thanks to David for the wonderful post. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 14 06:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wie finde ich die Königin? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 16:10:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hc2k0$2fd$1@newsread.f.de.uu.net> Message-ID: <19990513121050.18186.00000066@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17296 Somebody tell this guy that the more he posts the more german I will learn. There is a good deal of bee literature in german but the beekeepers terms arn't in the german /english dictionaries. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 14 06:25:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: kidney and heart patients Date: 13 May 1999 14:56:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926607411 000 192.168.253.46 (13 May 1999 14:56:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 1999 14:56:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17297 are bee stings particularly dangerous to kidney and heart patients? i am not one, but a member of my family, who doesnt go out in the yard and only goes outside to get in a car is a heart patient. in all the books i have read, i have seen nothing relating to this. the driveway is about 100 feet away from where the hive would be. if possible email me asap. From beetools@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeen or buy a new one? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 15:16:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512223022.22408.00002485@ng-fu1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990513111610.12986.00000051@ng32.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17298 Hi Greg: We almost always have queens in stock for pick-up (we do not mail queens because we keep our queens in a queen bank hive in cages without attendants - easier and better for you). The two hives with queen cells may be in the process of swarming (if the cells are hanging from the bottom of the frames as opposed to off the brood area). When they swarm, half of your bees will take off with your queen, so you will suffer a significant loss of colony strenght. The new queen will take a week or more to start laying at full speed. And, right here in the Willamette Valley, the eggs that are being layed are the bees that will be your field force for the blackberry honey flow. Drop by or give me a call and we'll try to figure out how to solve this problems and I'll give you some pointers on selling honey. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From jajwuth@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 17:00:04 GMT References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990513130004.08634.00001348@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17299 does anyone know of any videos or books on the use of a top bar hive looking at a few web pages is not enough for me Jajwuth From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri May 14 06:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Horizzontal Swarm Date: Thu, 13 May 99 18:11:33 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <19990512180747.29957.00001155@ng-xa1.aol.com> <19990513094252.22575.00000025@ng121.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.164 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:11:26 GMT X-Trace: 926622686.897.7 KRFRRPH9I98A4CE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17300 Hi, Maybe oughta saw those slits on the side you want to go to, else the tree, if you're sawing the trunk, that is, might "barberchair", and slap your face something fierce, as it splits up the length of the shaft . Don't bend it to open the kerf . Bend it to CLOSE the kerf . Loggers sometimes get killed if a large tree is unbalanced, and they're not positioned, and ready for it to barberchair . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/13/99 6:42AM, in message <19990513094252.22575.00000025@ng121.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: >had one land in an apple tree about 15 feet up..and >tried to saw the limb slowly so it would bend down into my bushel basket I >was Saw a series of kerfs or slots about 1/2 inch apart a little less than halfway through and you can bend many trees over to the point where the swarm is a foot above your box. I have done this with a swarm about 30' up a tree (black cherry) that was ok to cut down . I learned this trick from some guys who were taking a tree down that was over a greenhouse and a tile roof who had no bucket truck. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 14 06:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990510164318.05084.00001017@ngol03.aol.com> Subject: Re: beehive material Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:18:35 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926432096 209.69.69.118 (Tue, 11 May 1999 09:14:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:14:56 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17301 I have seen pictures of TBH's made from bamboo and plastic sheeting as well... Ellen From shuston@riverace.com Fri May 14 06:25:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:41:12 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 54 Message-ID: <37384188.396769AB@riverace.com> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 11 May 1999 14:41:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17302 > I waited for the bees. > And waited. > And waited. > And got concerned, and called the supplier, who assured me that the > bees were sent on schedule. > And called the post office, who said that they couldn't trace them. > And called the supplier again, who told me that time (and feed) had > almost certainly run out for my bees (a week had gone by since the > shipping date at this point). > > They then told me that their shipping season was over (they are in > Texas, and it is apparently too hot to reliably ship package bees > anymore), and are sending me a refund. Wow, that stinks > So, here I am, after looking forward to getting started all winter, > with no bees. Apiaries in Texas won't ship because it's too hot, > the one I called in California won't ship because it's too far, > and I'm leery of buying bees from the southeast because I have no > idea who may or may not have hive beetles (and while I'm sure that > sooner or later, *somebody* is going to import hive beetles into > northern Michigan, I'd really rather it wasn't *me*). I've been > asking around with the local beekeepers (unfortunately, there > aren't very many) looking for nucs, and the only one within 100 miles > who can make some up for me can't have them ready until the middle > of June. Hmmm... finding some friendly keeper who would do a split for you would be best - you can still buy a queen to install with it. I got one from Strachan Apiaries in CA, and she's going like a champ. > So, all my careful preparations were thoroughly screwed up because > somebody, somewhere in the U. S. postal service, was a blithering > incompetent. The folks at the bee supplier in Texas said that they've > been having an unusual amount of trouble with the postal service this > year, so I'm apparently not an isolated case. Anybody else > been having troubles with the post office? If so, maybe we need to > start complaining to the Postmaster General. My local beekeepers association ordered a package for April delivery, >from Texas, and it came completely dead. Word is that the supplier shipped a truckload of them and the driver left the truck sitting in the hot sun at some point, and that was the end of the whole truckload of bees. Another package was obtained, but it was a left-over from another shipment and was over half dead by that time also. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 14 06:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <1833AB0A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:22:45 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926432346 209.69.69.118 (Tue, 11 May 1999 09:19:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:19:06 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17303 How do you find a company that will do this type of thing?? Ellen Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7h7js4$dtj$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > I have had experience of irradiation. In my early days ..... From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bugs in Hive? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 21:47:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990513174731.13727.00000199@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17304 Thanks for sharing that, from another newbee. jm From obriens@sky.net Fri May 14 06:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990513112058.08344.00001670@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: kidney and heart patients Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:31:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926634673 209.90.4.100 (Thu, 13 May 1999 17:31:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:31:13 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17305 BobPursley wrote in message >Hope this helps you. One reminder, many people are psychologically afraid of >bees, and many other things, and when confronted, they may have a problem, not >due to the incident but their reaction to it. I had a friends wife that was >really afraid of bees, and had a major car accident when one flew into the car Reminds me of the story my sister tells about her daughter (my niece) who attends college and lives in the Nashville TN area. The state (I guess) puts up "Bee Alert" signs on highways where they are doing construction, to be cutesy, I guess. Anyhow, the niece took it literally and stopped the car and quickly put the top up on her convertible. No, she's not a blonde but her mother is. John From petera@reigate.demon.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:28:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> <3gj_2.24$LI5.3971@axe.netdoor.com> <7hct8j$epf$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 926634658 nnrp-03:6713 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17306 In article <7hct8j$epf$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Well said! > >But remember that many beekeepers do not do things the 'right' way - even if >they are old hands. > >If you have read the books, you will then be able to identify bad practice >as well as good - and learn from that as well. >I remember in my first year attending lectures by a local beekeeper - >regarded as a good teacher (probably because he was retired and had the time >to run Association meetings) - who was still promoting theory that had been >discredited 20 or more years ago. Those who had not read up to date books >believed every word - and will no doubt pass them on to some of the next >generation! > >Robert Malley wrote in message <3gj_2.24$LI5.3971@axe.netdoor.com>... >>I to am a first year beekeeper. And I must agree with the two earlier post >>on you need to do some more basic reading before you even start considering >>to keep bees. I read two books before ordering my hive and more before >they >>came in. I also work with a friend that is a beekeeper > > I agree with you Peter. At Reigate we have some very good Beekeepers amongst our members. Very soon I will be including some pictures of our Teaching Apiary on the Reigate Web site www.reigate.demon.co.uk Pete -- Peter Ashley From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Horizzontal Swarm Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:18:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hfj5l$740$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990512180747.29957.00001155@ng-xa1.aol.com> <19990513094252.22575.00000025@ng121.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1.aluminum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926633973 7296 62.136.6.1 (13 May 1999 22:19:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 1999 22:19:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17307 If the tree is not OK to cut down, high swarms can be a bit tricky. If you shake them into a skep and put the skep on the ground, the bees may not find it and you end up with the queen and part of the swarm at ground level and the rest in in a bunch up in the tree. To overcome this, tie some rope or stout string on to the handle of the skep and then after you have shaken the swarm into it turn the skep the right way up - VERY slowly so that the bees have chance to get a grip and do not all fall out - and then hang the skep in the tree where the swarm was. Leave until evening and you will find all the bees neatly clustered in the skep. If you have a long piece of string, you can have it going over the branch and then tie it off at ground level - then you can lower the skep without having to climb up the tree again! >Saw a series of kerfs or slots about 1/2 inch apart a little less than halfway >through and you can bend many trees over to the point where the swarm is a foot >above your box. >I have done this with a swarm about 30' up a tree (black cherry) that was ok to >cut down . From petera@reigate.demon.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:23:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 926634656 nnrp-03:6713 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17308 In article <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, David Scribner writes >Last year we had a leafcutter bee using a hole in our metal porch rail >(underneath the 2x4 wooden top rail) as a nest. We got a kick out of >watching her bring back pieces of leaves and loads of pollen under her >belly, taking them into the hole for her nest. > >This year, her prodigy is back and we would like to provide her a few more >holes to nest in. I've searched the web but can not find any information as >to what size hole is best for the leafcutter bee to use. The closest I've >found is a site that sells nesting blocks. They mention that they use 5/16" >holes for the blue orchard mining bee, and say the nesting block for the >leafcutter bee has "slightly smaller" holes, but don't mention the size >(1/4" perhaps?). > >The entrance in the metal rail looks to be about 5/16", but what is the best >size hole for the leafcutter bee? I've got a dead apple tree limb outside, >about 4" in diameter. I figured I would take a 1 foot section of the limb >and drill 3 to 3 1/2" deep holes down one side of it and place it near her >current nesting location. > >If anyone could enlighten me as to the right size diameter holes to drill I >would greatly appreciate it! > >Thanks in advance, >--David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > Gents I have this year made up some nesting sites situated in plastic drain pipe say 3 to 4 inches in diameter and a foot in length. Then inserted lengths of Bamboo cane in the tube of same length. I have then suspended them at hopefully strategic positions. More details can be obtained from the Dutch web site //web.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/apinet.htm It is the Apinet Bee News. For information we at Reigate Division of Surrey Beekeepers now have our own Web Site www.reigate.demon.co.uk Some of you may find some useful links here. Pete -- Peter Ashley From petera@reigate.demon.co.uk Fri May 14 06:25:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bait hive Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:24:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 926634657 nnrp-03:6713 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17309 In article <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com>, stephen ball writes >as swarming season approaches i have been considering putting up a >bait hive.a complete hive with foundation to attract swarms.any >suggestions as to location and effectivness of bait hive. thanks in >advance I was successful one year utilising an old Brood Chamber with old foundation. Pete -- Peter Ashley From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Fri May 14 06:25:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <926574431.584.31@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: Space Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <2uK_2.813$AZ2.1007@newsr2.maine.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:51:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926643198 24.93.149.35 (Thu, 13 May 1999 17:53:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:53:18 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17310 If you're afraid of getting stung, better not get any bees. It's bound to happen sooner or later in a small lot. If you're not afraid of getting stung, go for it. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri May 14 06:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!newscon02!prodigy.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,alt.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: AGRI-FINANCING Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:52:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3734B501.A86768CD@home.com> <37382848.302@islandnet.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 12 May 1999 19:54:07 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 12 12:55:18 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust101.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3739DC1A.5E0B@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3150 alt.agriculture.beef:1644 alt.agriculture.misc:10914 sci.agriculture.poultry:9892 sci.agriculture.fruit:2719 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17311 sci.agriculture:34318 alt.agriculture.fruit:9035 > > They asked this old beekeeper what he would do if he won 1 million > dollars. 'Keep bees until I run out'. > Run out of what? Money or bees. Probably both at the same time. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 14 06:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bait hive Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 01:41:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990513214128.16496.00000310@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17312 Swarms dont much care about foundation - but trap hives are a good place for your culled combs on their eventual way to the wax melter. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From honeybs@radix.net Fri May 14 06:25:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Lab loves bees> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:26:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ghrsa$dki$5@news1.Radix.Net> References: <372c67a1.3224399@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17313 rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) wrote: >I have a big black dog thats half Lab and half German Shepherd. She >goes to my bee yard in the evening and morning when she knows the bees >will be inactive and eats any burr comb that I've cut out while >working my bees. She loves honey, honey comb, and even bees. Anyone >ever heard of such a thing? >Richard >Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) My schnauzer loved honey comb and queen cage candy. I can't say that he liked the bees though. I sure do miss him. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding & Supers Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:05:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990512180501.29957.00001152@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:07:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17314 In article <19990512180501.29957.00001152@ng-xa1.aol.com>, tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) wrote: > Need to know where you live...feeding is usually done for a number of > reasons...In the north it helps with brood production and gets the queen > laying..so when the first spring flows start you have a strong colony...but be > careful of swarming ...hives that are fed swarm more redely....Once a strong > flow starts your bees will stop or slow down taking the sugar syrup...Watch > hive entrance for increased activity and pollen gatherers...stop feeding them > at this point and place supers...shallow;..on top ...at least two if they are > foundation and three if they are drawn comb...and really watch for swarm > sign!!!! Good luck > > Tom Is this really correct? Everything I've read about package hives sez to feed 'em until they stop taking the syrup... and not to add a second super until there's comb drawn on 7-8 of the foundations in the bottom super... and, finally, not to but the honey super on until the second deep super is likewise drawn. I'm a newbie... so I'd be interested in a discussion of this. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:07:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:09:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17315 In article <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >ainful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it > >on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" > >the first time one tries it, though. > > > >BTW, I have MS and am doing what > >is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. > >John > > Ya know if ya hang around long enough I guess eventually you'll hear it all. > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Space Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:33:03 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <926574431.584.31@news.remarQ.com> <2uK_2.813$AZ2.1007@newsr2.maine.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:34:59 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17316 In article <2uK_2.813$AZ2.1007@newsr2.maine.rr.com>, "rick" wrote: > If you're afraid of getting stung, better not get any bees. It's bound to > happen sooner or later in a small lot. If you're not afraid of getting > stung, go for it. I disagree. Probably most people are afraid of getting stung until it happens a few times, and if they're not allergic, they find out it's not such a big deal. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From pollinator@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queens Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 May 1999 14:29:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990502102918.22977.00001324@ng139.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17317 From: workerbee >I had c aouple of hives swarm this year and tried to control after >swarms by removing all but two queen cells in the effected hives. >Several days after one queen hatched out I was surprised to see >unhatched cells. When I opened them up the queens were dead backwards in >the cells. Didn't think much about it until I opend a superseedure cell >last week and the pupa was in the cell backwards. You aren't downwind from Chernobyl, or Three Mile Island, are you? (Most mutations are harmful.) I sometimes help a bee emerge, by opening the cell a bit more, so I can show someone the "newbee." I was surprised the other day to find one in backwards. I don't know how common it is. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From rghallNoCrap@usit.net Fri May 14 06:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Let's Take a Test # 3 Message-ID: <373b7d92.11868824@news.usit.net> References: <19990512024512.03407.00000598@ng-ci1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:40:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.148.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 926646004 216.80.148.17 (Thu, 13 May 1999 21:40:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:40:04 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17318 On 12 May 1999 06:45:12 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >Length of time that it takes the following to go from egg to Bee. > >Queen ? 16 days > >Drone ? 24 days > >Worker ? 21 days Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:08:58 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <19990508220947.21071.00001086@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:10:54 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17319 In article , "John O'Brien" wrote: > Peter Amschel wrote in message ... > >I wonder how big his Johnson is when he gets done letting the bees > sting it. > > > I know you're just quipping, but my "john thomas" does swell > when you first start doing the stings right there but the swelling > is minimal after the first couple times. Same with any other > part of the body. John ROTFL! This thread is cracking me up!!! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:07:39 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:09:36 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17320 In article , "John O'Brien" wrote: > Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... > >>The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only > ONE > >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there > >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. > > > If you are referring to a penis (I think you might be) take it from > an expert on the subject; the top of the head and above the > eyes and maybe to some extent, the shoulders are the most > painful. A sting on the penis is not very painful at all. I do it > on purpose, all the time. It does take a large "leap of faith" > the first time one tries it, though. > > BTW, I have MS and am doing what > is known as "Bee Sting therapy" and it helps, a lot. > John And... um... yer wanker is the location of choice??? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:13:11 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:15:07 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17321 In article <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>, jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) wrote: > Anyhow my son in Georgia sent me a > black wool ball cap with a bee embroidered on the front. 5 bees jumped right > on the cap. I saw them coming and felt them hit the cap. Boy, you never know what will set them off. I've read several places that wool, and other animal by-products will piss 'em off. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:13:45 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> <3735A83A.67DC2FD6@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:15:42 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17322 In article <3735A83A.67DC2FD6@worldnet.att.net>, jslavett@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Bees with a sense of fashion, oh boy! > > Two honeybees were out for a flight one afternoon. As they passed over > the heads of a group of people, one of the bees took a yarmulke out of > its pocket and put it on its head. "Why did you do that?", asked the > other bee. > > "I didn't want them to think I was a wasp.", said the first. > What's a yarmulke? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:17:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <7h47rc$1mft$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:19:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17323 OK... Did Kevin Johnson make this post up to prove his earlier point about folks not reading or knowing what the hell they're doing?? IMHO, this is a troll. The stuff about the sunless, damp site, and possibly even putting them in the outhouse is too contrary to even what I've learned as a very, very newbie, to be for real. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 14 06:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:29:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.3b X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 02:31:55 GMT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-59.dnvr.grid.net!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17324 In article <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" wrote: > If you are storing drawn empty comb (NO > honey), moth balls or crystals of 100% paradichlorobenzene will kill the > eggs that may be lurking on the frames (very likely). Supers can also be > stored in breezy, sunny areas for a time to keep the wax moths away (just > make sure sun can reach the comb, and it's not too hot to melt your combs if > you do). Is it necessary to use moth balls around Duragilt foundations stored while waiting for them to go onto a new colony? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From euroxboy@aol.com Fri May 14 06:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BAGGIE FEEDERS Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 May 1999 15:46:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <4927F9313332C0A9.A7CB015869DA0D23.B5201784EB33A63D@library-proxy.airnews.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990502114649.10946.00001329@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17325 I put baggy feeders on some splits a few days ago, had some left-over queens and no feeders available at he yard. On a small scale I see nothing wrong with them, just fill ¾ full and punch a couple holes with your hive tool. I'll see how they work if the rain gives me a break today. I read an excellent article reciently in either in the ABJ or Bee Culture about using all mediums, we've tossed around the idea and might try it with some hives. Keith From cde049@airmail.net Tue May 18 05:50:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mentor Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:03:40 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <21515EC11A2EFE57.171045678B6E6704.B640BF3EED54444D@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7hgtpq$h15@library.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri May 14 05:27:06 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^n=[1k-XIKNO"I (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17326 Is there anyone in the Dallas Ft. Worth area who would like to mentor a new Beekeeper? I live in DeSoto just south of Dallas. Cliff From robin.moore@sympatico.ca Tue May 18 05:50:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.erols.net!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <373C054C.53AE@sympatico.ca> From: Robin Moore Reply-To: robin.moore@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,uk.rec.gardening Subject: FS: Antique Quinby Beekeeping Book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:10:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.247.69 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 926680205 206.172.247.69 (Fri, 14 May 1999 07:10:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:10:05 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17327 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:92 uk.rec.gardening:2274 I thought some of you might be interested in the 1883 edition of Quinby's New Beekeeping, The Mysteries of Bee-Keeping Explained which I currently have for sale on EBay. The auction ends tomorrow night (Saturday May 15) at 16:28 Pacific time. The link to the item is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=101629614 If this is not of interest, please excuse the intrusion. Robin Moore From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bait hive Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:40:06 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hct8i$epf$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 926546002 15151 62.136.93.200 (12 May 1999 21:53:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 21:53:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17328 At least 6 feet above ground level, brood box size (ideal is 45 litres), ensure that there is some old comb in it. stephen ball wrote in message <3739BDA1.2C8E@saltspring.com>... >as swarming season approaches i have been considering putting up a >bait hive.a complete hive with foundation to attract swarms.any >suggestions as to location and effectivness of bait hive. thanks in >advance From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue May 18 05:50:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 99 07:12:40 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1833E656CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17329 In article "dsg5" writes: > >Ahh . . . carpenter bee . . . >Ok . . . two more questions . . . > 1) I saw only one bee. I thought bees lived with lots of relatives . . . >is my fence likely to be full of these things? Carpenter bees are not social (they do not build colonies as do honey bees). >2) If he's boring 1/4" holes in my fence, can he (and any relatives) be >making other holes in my house? Do I need to waste this fella before he >eats me out of house & home? The damage done by carpenter bees is minimal. The pollination benefits far outweigh the damage and the hoovering, territorial show put on by the males (who cannot sting) is a hoot! Leave 'em alone. Better yet, play with 'em and enjoy the show! Aaron Morris - thinking carpenter bees are way cool! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue May 18 05:50:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bee-haviour Date: Fri, 14 May 99 08:07:34 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1833E7248S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <373d995b.75601288@news.emji.net> <19990512182522.29957.00001166@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17330 In article <19990512182522.29957.00001166@ng-xa1.aol.com> tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) writes: > >...bees really arent chewing on the entrance >although it looks that way...its called scrubbing motion.. I don't mean to pick nits, but actually it's called washboarding. /Aa From jajwuth@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and bears Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 13:32:46 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990514093246.08634.00001495@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17331 Has anybody found a way of keeping beehives in bear country without using an electric fence. Has anybody used a non (bear) accessible platform or deck. If so I would be interested in knowing of the design of your deck or other solution Al From jajwuth@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 13:32:45 GMT References: <19990513130004.08634.00001348@ngol08.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990514093245.08634.00001494@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17332 could anybody tell me how much less honey would be produced by a top bar hive versus the langstroth hive From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue May 18 05:50:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 12:27:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990514082712.11476.00000365@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17333 Wax moths seldom ever bother plain foundation-there is no food in it for them just wax. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bobpursley@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kidney and heart patients Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 15:20:58 GMT References: <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990513112058.08344.00001670@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17334 In article <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) writes: > >are bee stings particularly dangerous to kidney and heart patients? i am >not one, but a member of my family, who doesnt go out in the yard and >only goes outside to get in a car is a heart patient. in all the books i >have read, i have seen nothing relating to this. the driveway is about >100 feet away from where the hive would be. if possible email me asap. > > > If they are hyperallergic to bee stings, very definite yes. If not allergic, I cant think of a reason kidney problems would be a bee problem, unless the person were on medication that lowered or eliminated the immune response. Heart patients, no, unless the person is prone to heart attacts and failure....a bee sting, spider bite, ant sting, a fall, or auto accident, or any surprise could be a major lifethreatening event. I wondered if the above was still current info, so I just went to the internet "ask a doctor" and asked the question, the response was " only if they are allergic to bee stings." Hope this helps you. One reminder, many people are psychologically afraid of bees, and many other things, and when confronted, they may have a problem, not due to the incident but their reaction to it. I had a friends wife that was really afraid of bees, and had a major car accident when one flew into the car on a highway. I mention this, as you stated that the person does not go out into the yard , which is very unusual to me. From afichera@iol.it Tue May 18 05:50:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Alessandro Fichera" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TABEC S.r.l. -- Beekeeping, Zootechnical, Oenology-Oil equipment Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:25:26 +0200 Organization: Italia Online Message-ID: <7hhcbo$947$4@hermes.iol.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.13.67.122 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 37 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!i2unix!newsfeed.iol.it!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17335 T A B E C -- S. r. l. Italian Beekeeping Company Tabec S.r.l. was born in Guastalla (Italy) by energy and competence of the present owners. 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Giacomo di Guastalla Reggio Emilia - ITALY Tel. +39 0522 831206 Fax. +39 0522 831114 E-mail: afichera@iol.it tabec@tin.it From jajwuth@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 17:12:32 GMT References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990514131232.08346.00002037@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17336 does anybody keep enough top bar hives to harvest and sell their honey. I would be interested in knowing what yields they get. Or are top bar hives just for the hobbyist Jajwuth. From sanford@monmouth.com Tue May 18 05:50:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee types and color variations? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:09:08 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 64 Message-ID: <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp225.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17337 Greetings all, this is a rather long one again--sorry... My NJ top bar hive seems to be recovering form a bout of chalkbrood (probably brought on by my well-intentioned intrusion on a not so warm and not so sunny day). No more little 'mummies' on the entrance board--but I would like to ask for some input on the following observations I have made. The bees I originally started with were what my provider called 'Italians'. They were brown haired, with predominantly dark abdomen and legs. I know there was a queen present as I saw her before we put the nuc frames in the hive. This was April 28th. May 4 (that cool day) I did not locate the queen. I wanted to be quick and try to be unobtrusive-just add some feed and a grease patty and sceedaddle! Noticed the next couple of days a number of dead or dying drone bees outside the hive. Assumed it was stress of opening hive on a cool day, new house etc... May 6 was a Very warm day, bees seemed active and content. Did a complete inspection and could not find queen (I really looked hard), did see larvae, pupae,etc., also did see queen cells in the middle of two brood frames. I did not note in my index card weather they were capped or not (oops!) but my adrenaline was way up and I was not as organized as I hope to be next time. Do largely to the input of you all (Thanks!) here I determined that I'd best leave them alone as they may be supercedure cells. May 7 was a warm morning and extremely HEAVY bee activity outside the hive. I did not see a swarm anywhere (not that I'd ever seen one before except in my books!) and I did a check all around the trees nearby. After that heavy day there was a marked decrease in activity for several days. May 12 I noticed mummies on the landing board and found out that they are most likely chalkbrood possibly aggravated by opening the hive on that cool day. Also began to see different looking bees. Very BLONDE hair, predominantly pale (white to creamy) abdomen--only dark at the tip, nearly clear legs with reddish pollen baskets, dark brown rather than black faces and seemingly not too healthy. They wobble when they walk--seem almost handicapped somehow. I saw one of the darker bees evicting one from the hive. At first I attributed their handicapped appearance and chalky color to the chalkbrood. Is this likely? I'm not so sure now, because the balance of the population seems to be changing. Now I'm noticing more and more active, healthy, pale bees, as well as what seems to be a hybrid. Still blonde hair but 4 chocolate bars on the abdomen and a wide brown then thin brown stripe with darker stripey legs. The majority of the bees coming and going now appear to have most definitely blonde hair. There are still some brown ones (they are also a bit larger) but more and more pale bees seem to be doing the work. I hesitate to open the hive again so soon. They were heavily manipulated (but gently!) on May 6. Should I? or should I just let nature take it's course and see what happens? The population seems to be rebuilding (It did swarm, don't you think?) and activity is increasing. My main concern is that these paler bees seem to be less vigorous than the brown ones. Could it be a bad queen? Anyone know what type bee I may be mixed up with here or is it the chalkbrood afterall? Thanks for bearing with me. I am learning Tons just reading your replies to all the q's in this newsgroup! Newbie NJ beekeeper, Shari From johnbee@iaxnet.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kidney and heart patients Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:34:43 +0100 Organization: Cable Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7hhqqp$5oo$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> References: <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990513112058.08344.00001670@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.28.16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17338 BobPursley wrote in message > > > If not allergic, I > cant think of a reason kidney problems would be a bee problem, unless the > person were on medication that lowered or eliminated the immune response. All beekeepers should be aware of the new non-steroid classes of anti-inflammatory drugs developed to relieve joint pain, stiffness and swelling. Some people use bee stings to relieve such symptoms associated with arthritis, and there have been reports of serious allergic reactions to bee (and wasp) stings when the sufferer has been taking such drugs. Such drugs include ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and tolmetin. Taken from "Understanding Prescription Drugs" by Dorothy L Smith -- John Burgess, pencaemawr@bigfoot.com From me@home.com Tue May 18 05:50:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!coop.net!newsfeed1.global.lmco.com!svlss.lmms.lmco.com!news From: VFR Pile-It Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wie finde ich die =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6nigin=3F?= Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:43:07 -0400 Organization: Lockheed Martin Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <373C6EBB.8D0F7099@home.com> References: <7hc2k0$2fd$1@newsread.f.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: marewts05.mar.lmco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F5A0996067416C197E36C6E3" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17339 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F5A0996067416C197E36C6E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wo wohen Sie (im Deutschland) bitte? -Stefan --------------F5A0996067416C197E36C6E3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="me.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for VFR Pile-It Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="me.vcf" begin:vcard n:Guldin;Stephen tel;fax:770-494-8112 tel;work:770-494-0634 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:Stephen.T.Guldin@lmco.com fn:Stephen Guldin end:vcard --------------F5A0996067416C197E36C6E3-- From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue May 18 05:50:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!easynet-fr!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:56:04 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7hht5j$kvs$2@front2.grolier.fr> References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <7hepo5$1e0g$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-22.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front2.grolier.fr 926709747 21500 195.36.138.22 (14 May 1999 19:22:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 19:22:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17340 Very good message from David. For information : in France, the suppliers of fishing stuff are very interested in getting old bee combs to grow wax moth larvae. It is a so super bait for trout that it is forbidden in some areas! Shelley Corbin a écrit dans le message : 7hepo5$1e0g$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com... > thanks to David for the wonderful post. > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue May 18 05:50:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 19:27:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373C2ED7.29E2@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <19990514152729.05226.00000484@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17341 >He may not have a sting, but he does have jaws that can >make a 10 inch tunnel in wood. > He doesn't but SHE does Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Tue May 18 05:50:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:10:31 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <373C2ED7.29E2@mindspring.com> References: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> <1833E656CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.00.96 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 14 May 1999 18:03:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17342 He may not have a sting, but he does have jaws that can make a 10 inch tunnel in wood. From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Tue May 18 05:50:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:07:57 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7hhmrk$6tk@news1.snet.net> References: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh8-port222.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17343 My mother in law on Long Island had 1 and within 3 years had a dozen or two, causing many holes in a wooden fence (dry rot is surrounding the older holes now, and they drill new ones each year), so population explosion isn't like termites, but does happen. Reader's Digest manual of home repair reccomends killing the bees and filling the holes with epoxy immediately to prevent damage to buildings. We have not killed them because they show a strong preference for the old fence over stronger wood, and anything that can survive the pesticides of Long Island and has even a chance of polinating plants deserves a chance :-) dsg5 wrote in message ... >Ahh . . . carpenter bee . . . >I did a web search on these things and learned a thing or two. They >mentioned how they will chew into old wood and make a 1/4" hole and leave >sawdust on the ground . . . well, danged if I didn't see sawdust on the >ground last fall and wonder where it came from. I checked the bottom side >Ok . . . two more questions . . . > 1) I saw only one bee. I thought bees lived with lots of relatives . . . >is my fence likely to be full of these things? >2) If he's boring 1/4" holes in my fence, can he (and any relatives) be >making other holes in my house? Do I need to waste this fella before he >eats me out of house & home? From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Tue May 18 05:50:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:07:57 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7hhn49$6vj@news1.snet.net> References: <19990508172751.12583.00000975@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh8-port222.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17344 My mother in law on Long Island had 1 and within 3 years had a dozen or two, causing many holes in a wooden fence (dry rot is surrounding the older holes now, and they drill new ones each year), so population explosion isn't like termites, but does happen. Reader's Digest manual of home repair reccomends killing the bees and filling the holes with epoxy immediately to prevent damage to buildings. We have not killed them because they show a strong preference for the old fence over stronger wood, and anything that can survive the pesticides of Long Island and has even a chance of polinating plants deserves a chance :-) dsg5 wrote in message ... >Ahh . . . carpenter bee . . . >I did a web search on these things and learned a thing or two. They >mentioned how they will chew into old wood and make a 1/4" hole and leave >sawdust on the ground . . . well, danged if I didn't see sawdust on the >ground last fall and wonder where it came from. I checked the bottom side >Ok . . . two more questions . . . > 1) I saw only one bee. I thought bees lived with lots of relatives . . . >is my fence likely to be full of these things? >2) If he's boring 1/4" holes in my fence, can he (and any relatives) be >making other holes in my house? Do I need to waste this fella before he >eats me out of house & home? From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue May 18 05:50:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:38:24 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7hi218$o2e$1@front1.grolier.fr> References: <19990514082712.11476.00000365@ng-fd1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.158.120.90 X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 926714728 24654 194.158.120.90 (14 May 1999 20:45:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 20:45:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17345 Hi everybody, In fact waxmoths are eating polen, you don't have problem with storing comb without pollen. BeeCrofter a écrit dans le message : 19990514082712.11476.00000365@ng-fd1.aol.com... > Wax moths seldom ever bother plain foundation-there is no food in it for them > just wax. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:42:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7hi2n7$phb$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-5.viractin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926715431 26155 62.136.93.5 (14 May 1999 20:57:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 20:57:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17346 PDB and mothballs are different substances. I believe that mothballs may be injurious to bees and will certainly taint the wax. PDB has been used for many years, but I did hear recently that it may be carcinogenic. You could always try the 'green' alternative - put a few good big spiders in your stack of supers with screens top and bottom. One good spider will clear quite a lot of wax moth! Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" > wrote: > >> If you are storing drawn empty comb (NO >> honey), moth balls or crystals of 100% paradichlorobenzene will kill the From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue May 18 05:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bait hive Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:42:10 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7hi219$o2e$2@front1.grolier.fr> References: <19990513214128.16496.00000310@ng-cn1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.158.120.90 X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 926714729 24654 194.158.120.90 (14 May 1999 20:45:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 20:45:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17347 Using a old black com will help. Bees like thi smell and are atracted.. BeeCrofter a écrit dans le message : 19990513214128.16496.00000310@ng-cn1.aol.com... > Swarms dont much care about foundation - but trap hives are a good place for > your culled combs on their eventual way to the wax melter. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee types and color variations? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:30:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hi4pf$rkr$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926717551 28315 62.136.16.166 (14 May 1999 21:32:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 21:32:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17348 Thoughts: It seems to me that the queen and the bees were from different stock. Italian bees are very light - some are almost completely yellow. If you had darker bees with an introduced Italian queen this would account for the gradual colour change. What colour was the queen that you saw when you hived the nuc? Italians are usually a leathery colour. Are you sure that you have chalk brood 'mummies'? If you had dead or dying drones then the bees may have been very short of food (did you look?) and may have been throwing out brood - it can easily happen early in the season. Incidentally, new beekeepers often confuse chalk brood and mouldy pollen, both in the combs and in front of the hive. They are easy to tell apart: mouldy pollen in the comb is usually a fluffy white mass all over whereas chalk brood is white with a small yellow dot in the middle - this is the larva's head which will not be affected. Outside the hive, the pollen can be easily crumbled in to pieces corresponding to the original pollen loads; chalk brood mummies will be a hard even texture. sanford@monmouth.com wrote in message <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com>... >Greetings all, this is a rather long one again--sorry... > >My NJ top bar hive seems to be recovering form a bout of chalkbrood >(probably brought on by my well-intentioned intrusion on a not so warm >and not so sunny day). No more little 'mummies' on the entrance >board--but I would like to ask for some input on the following >observations I have made. > >The bees I originally started with were what my provider called >'Italians'. They were brown haired, with predominantly dark abdomen and >legs. I know there was a queen present as I saw her before we put the >nuc frames in the hive. This was April 28th. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kidney and heart patients Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:09:45 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hi4pe$rkr$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990513112058.08344.00001670@ngol02.aol.com> <7hhqqp$5oo$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 926717550 28315 62.136.16.166 (14 May 1999 21:32:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 21:32:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17349 Bee venom is a toxin as well as being a potent allergen so multiple stings may have a toxic effect on the kidneys, even if the victim does not suffer an allergic reaction. I think that the jury is out on the effects of NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs). There is some information in an IBRA reprint 'Bee Venom Hypersensitivity Update' by Harry Riches (M120), although this may now be a bit out of date. After spending most of my life avoiding any pills - even an aspirin - I recently needed to take very large quantities of Ibuprofen to treat an inflamed bursa on my hip from late January until a couple of weeks ago; I was therefore more than interested to know what effect the first sting of the season would have! I am pleased to report that, as usual, I had absolutely no reaction - other than a sharp intake of breath! John Burgess wrote in message <7hhqqp$5oo$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net>... > >BobPursley wrote in message > > >> If not allergic, I >> cant think of a reason kidney problems would be a bee problem, unless the >> person were on medication that lowered or eliminated the immune response. >> Some people use bee stings to relieve such symptoms associated with >arthritis, and there have been reports of serious allergic reactions to bee >(and wasp) stings when the sufferer has been taking such drugs. > >Such drugs include ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, >piroxicam, suprofen and tolmetin. > From orangerose@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wie finde ich die Königin? (Antwort) Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 20:32:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990512223930.05019.00002463@ng-fa1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990514163219.11088.00000521@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17350 Hallo, Ich hoffe, es ist noch nicht zu spaet, aber hier sind die Antworten zu Deinen Fragen. Ich habe Deine Fragen fuer die Newsgroup uebersetzt und Tom sagt: " Ich verstehe einige der Fragen, aber mein Deutsch laesst zu wuenschen uebrig. Bitte teile ihm mit, das es mir Spass gemacht hat, es zu lesen. Lasse ihn die Trennung machen (make the split) ... behalte einige der Koenigin-zellen (queen cells) in jeder Teilung (split) und sehe in drei oder vier Tagen nach, welche Teilung Eier hat...jene Teilung beinhaltet die Koenigin... Ein andere Methode, die ich angewandt habe, ist, eine Koenigin-sperre (queen excluder) zwischen die Teilungen zu setzen und die Bienen mit Rauch nach unten zu bewegen (smoke the bees down)...hebe vorsichtig die oberer Teilung ab und schaue nach, ob die Koenigin sich in der Sperre befindet...diese Methode habe ich einige male erfolgreich angewendet... moeglicherweise ist sie aber auch tot...oder sie sind ausgeschwermt (swarmed)...also waere keine Koenigin anwesend... " Tom moechte auch wissen, wo Du in Deutschland lebst. Er sprich ein wenig Deutsch und moechte einige deutsche Bienenzuechterfachbegriffe lernen. Ich habe die englischen Fachwoerter in Klammern gesetzt, weil ich die deutschen Fachwoerter nicht kenne. Vielleicht moechtest Du ihm ein e-mail mit den Uebersetzungen schicken, oder an die newsgroup. Ich hoffe, ich konnte Dir weiterhelfen. Tschuss, Kelly From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue May 18 05:50:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: some german-english vocabluray Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:48:46 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7hi5pj$r9l$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926718579 27957 129.173.88.206 (14 May 1999 21:49:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 21:49:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17351 Hi out there, I followed the discussion about the german posting. Kelly , your german translation is pretty straight forward! For those who are interested I list below a couple of beekeeping specific terms in english and german (for future use?). Queen cells > Weiselzellen or (Koeniginnenzellen) Queen > Weisel or (Koenigin) make a split > einen Ableger machen split > Ableger eggs > Stifte (Eier) queen excluder > Absperrgitter hive > Beute (the home of the bees) Volk (the bees themself) wax-foundation > Mittelwand swarm > Schwarm (the bees) schwaermen (what they do) If you want to know something I had not in mind, let me know and I will try to find the fiting german expression. Cheers Ulli From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue May 18 05:50:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee types and color variations? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:36:06 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 112 Message-ID: <7hi51r$r5q$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 926717819 27834 129.173.88.206 (14 May 1999 21:36:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1999 21:36:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17352 sanford@monmouth.com wrote: > > The bees I originally started with were what my provider called > 'Italians'. They were brown haired, with predominantly dark abdomen and > legs. Sounds not like typical italians to me. Maybe you got a italian queen with carnica or whatever workers. >I know there was a queen present as I saw her before we put the > nuc frames in the hive. This was April 28th. > > May 4 (that cool day) I did not locate the queen. I wanted to be quick > and try to be unobtrusive-just add some feed and a grease patty and > sceedaddle! Noticed the next couple of days a number of dead or dying > drone bees outside the hive. Assumed it was stress of opening hive on a > cool day, new house etc... You started with a nuc. Drones are a kind of luxury for a colony, because they need to feed this guys. If the time is bad, they kick them out. Saw this happen in June in a dry hot summer (no honey and pollen flow). The nunc was probably not willing (strong) to host drones and pushed them out? > May 6 was a Very warm day, bees seemed active and content. Did a > complete inspection and could not find queen (I really looked hard), did > see larvae, pupae,etc., also did see queen cells in the middle of two > brood frames. I did not note in my index card weather they were capped > or not (oops!) but my adrenaline was way up and I was not as organized > as I hope to be next time. Do largely to the input of you all (Thanks!) > here I determined that I'd best leave them alone as they may be > supercedure cells. Looks like the bees were not happy with the queen they got from the dealer or you killed her during your previous inspection. They tried to raise a new one (swarm cells are usually not on the middle of the frames, and also in bigger number present). You left the cells in the hive? According to the queen development time plus at least 2 more weeks for mating you have a good chance to have a new queen end of May. > May 7 was a warm morning and extremely HEAVY bee activity outside the > hive. I did not see a swarm anywhere (not that I'd ever seen one before > except in my books!) and I did a check all around the trees nearby. > After that heavy day there was a marked decrease in activity for several > days. nunc are not likely to swarm, they are not strong enough. The high activity on May 7 was more likely caused by new forager bees flying in front of the hive to memorize its position without leaving it, especially if this was the first warm day after a longer period without flying conditions. Now they come and go and the activity seems lower, but in fact the bees are flying around and not up and down in front of the hive. > > May 12 I noticed mummies on the landing board and found out that they > are most likely chalkbrood possibly aggravated by opening the hive on > that cool day. > Also began to see different looking bees. Very BLONDE > hair, predominantly pale (white to creamy) abdomen--only dark at the > tip, nearly clear legs with reddish pollen baskets, dark brown rather > than black faces and seemingly not too healthy. They wobble when they > walk--seem almost handicapped somehow. I saw one of the darker bees > evicting one from the hive. At first I attributed their handicapped > appearance and chalky color to the chalkbrood. Is this likely? I'm not > so sure now, because the balance of the population seems to be > changing. Now I'm noticing more and more active, healthy, pale bees, as > well as what seems to be a hybrid. Still blonde hair but 4 chocolate > bars on the abdomen and a wide brown then thin brown stripe with darker > stripey legs. This seems to be the brood from the initial queen and the description sound much more like italian bees (someone might correct me, I know only carnica pretty well). The brood which came with the nunc from the italian queen hatches and appears in your hive in increasing numbers. The number of the darker bees will decrease more and more as soon as they die and get replaced by the blondies. The dark type was obviously not of the original queens origin. > The majority of the bees coming and going now appear to have most > definitely blonde hair. There are still some brown ones (they are also > a bit larger) but more and more pale bees seem to be doing the work. I > hesitate to open the hive again so soon. They were heavily manipulated > (but gently!) on May 6. Should I? or should I just let nature take it's > course and see what happens? The population seems to be rebuilding (It > did swarm, don't you think?) and activity is increasing. The population is obviously catching up with the lost of old, delivered bees with freshly hatched bees. If you meanwhile lost the queen and left the queen cells in the hive I wouldn't disturb them now and check the hive end of May for a new queen (Eggs, young larvae). If you are not sure if there is a queen or not, open the hive and check the brood frames for eggs and young larvae, up to the size of a rice corn. If you find them, everything ist OK. There is no need to see the queen everytime you check a hive. Eggs and young tiny larvae tell you that she is around. Searching as long as you will see her will disturb the bees to much and does more harm then good. If there are no eggs and /or larvae and no queen cells you should get a new queen. If you have another hive simply move a frame with eggs or up to 3 day old larvae (size of tyhe komma on your keyboard) over to the queenless hive and the bees will take care for a new queen during the next 4 weeks. One reason to start with more than one hive :) Good luck Ulli From ian@hodkinson.force9.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!landlord!wards.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ogg" Subject: Records Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 5 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:58:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.131.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards 926722716 195.166.131.219 (Fri, 14 May 1999 23:58:36 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:58:36 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17353 As a relative newcomer to the hobby, I can see the need for hive records. But what exactly should these contain. Has anybody out there got a copy of a "typical" record sheet that I can copy. Ian From orangerose@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: some german-english vocabluray Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 23:38:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hi5pj$r9l$1@News.Dal.Ca> Message-ID: <19990514193833.17700.00000709@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17354 Danke, Ulli! I can see I made a few errors, though! I hope it (the translation) was still understandable. :-) Kelly From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 18 05:50:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:30:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <373CB204.4F1@midwest.net> References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> <19990514131232.08346.00002037@ngol02.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:39:07 GMT X-Trace: 926725147.736.68 JF3D7GB4M1C20D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17355 Jajwuth wrote: > > does anybody keep enough top bar hives to harvest and sell their honey. I > would be interested in knowing what yields they get. Or are top bar hives just > for the hobbyist > > Jajwuth. Hey, I've got an idea - how 'bout building one and finding out. Are you commercially involved or "just" a hobbyist? From my research, I'd say James D. Statterfield (jsatt@gsu.edu) would probably be the best source for a lot of the details you're seeking. His web site http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm contains a ton of information and links to other useful sources. AL From jajwuth@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 00:43:38 GMT References: <373CB204.4F1@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990514204338.17930.00001651@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17356 I have thoroughly gone through the web sites on top bar hives. Although I don't think you have to limit your sources for information. I plan on building a top bar hive, but I will also need some bees to put in it. I'm still at the planning stage. Once I have my bees I'm sure I will have to rely on this newsgroup to manage them. The only planned site I have for my hive is frequented by bears and I need a low maintenance deterrant to them. Jajwuth From sanford@monmouth.com Tue May 18 05:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee types and color variations? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:28:02 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <373CCDA2.6190@monmouth.com> References: <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com> <7hi4pf$rkr$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp191.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17357 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Thoughts: > > It seems to me that the queen and the bees were from different stock. > Italian bees are very light - some are almost completely yellow. If you had > darker bees with an introduced Italian queen this would account for the > gradual colour change. What colour was the queen that you saw when you > hived the nuc? Italians are usually a leathery colour. --She was a dark leathery brown/black. > > Are you sure that you have chalk brood 'mummies'? --Yes, I saw the small dot at the top end and cut them in half with a fingernail to check. They had a thin black outer layer and were evenly light (chalky) throughout. As far as having food goes I know there were at least 2 frames of honey, mostly uncapped. They would eat that wouldn't they? > --Correction to previous post. The hive is not what I would actually call 'predominantly' populated with the paler bee, rather they are becoming more apparent. They are also definitely smaller in size. Thanks for the input. Shari From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue May 18 05:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-159.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:59:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.9f X-Server-Date: 15 May 1999 01:59:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17358 OK... Newbie question: I have one hive, with 3 lb. of package bees put in just about two weeks ago. I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was dry. Are they EATING all this, or is it evaporating? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From sanford@monmouth.com Tue May 18 05:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee types and color variations? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:54:24 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 34 Message-ID: <373CD3D0.66F3@monmouth.com> References: <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com> <7hi51r$r5q$1@News.Dal.Ca> Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp191.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) To: Ulli Hoger Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17359 Ulli Hoger wrote: > > The nunc was probably not willing (strong) to host drones and > pushed them out? Sounds logical ;-) > > You left the cells in the > hive? Yes. > According to the queen development time plus at least 2 more weeks for > mating you have a good chance to have a new queen end of May. That's comforting, Thanks! > The high activity on May 7 was more likely caused by new forager bees > flying in front of the hive to memorize its position without leaving it, > especially if this was the first warm day after a longer period without > flying conditions. > Now they come and go and the activity seems lower, but in fact the bees > are flying around and not up and down in front of the hive. That seems to be more like what we saw than I thought a swarm would be. They were definitely up and down a lot. Plans are already in the works for another top bar hive. ;-) BTW--what are carnica bees like? Thanks for your help! I appreciate it greatly. Shari From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue May 18 05:50:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 May 1999 16:08:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990513120839.18186.00000065@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17360 >k . . . two more questions . . . > 1) I saw only one bee. I thought bees lived with lots of relatives . . . >is my fence likely to be full of these things? >2) If he's boring 1/4" holes in my fence, can he (and any relatives) be >making other holes in my house? Do I need to waste this fella before he >eats me out of house & home? > >Thanks for the info . . . >--dsg > > > > Well now you know why they call em "solitary bees" Mama bee is a queen and the helocpoter bee is a male. The holes are pitched to drain and the damage is minimal they go in half an inch or so and make a sideways turn for a foot or more. Somebody from PA said they might be a problem in structural barn timbers but in a house they just annoy the Biff and Muffy types with Redwood siding (or cedar). Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From h.tait@home.com Tue May 18 05:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7hcaqu$205@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <7hcrp2$qq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hdfbp$ajs@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 06:06:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 926748400 24.65.109.178 (Fri, 14 May 1999 23:06:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:06:40 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17361 David Scribner wrote in message news:7hdfbp$ajs@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com... > cd_rasmussen@bigfoot.com wrote: > >Check out dmoz.org/Science/Agriculture/Beekeeping/Solitary_Bees/ at > > > >Solitary_Bees > > > >Costa Rasmussen > > > Been there, done that. The only leafcutter bee references they have at this > site is for building a nest is to use paper straws. I guess what I'll do is > grab me a plastic straw (since I haven't seen paper straws in years), > measure the inside diameter and go with that. > Thanks for trying, > --Dave I run a reaturant, you might want to try several different sizes to see what is best accepted. They come in all sizes, from milkshake to cocktail size. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries > > > > From lconner@1st.net Tue May 18 05:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ee.net!news1.ee.net!usenet From: "Lisa Conner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner needs help Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:20:46 -0000 Organization: eNET Inc. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7hjbap$isg@news1.ee.net> References: <19981019082136.20551.00002891@ng114.aol.com> <70gf7a$67t$2@news1.Radix.Net> <71ia2g$okq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port6-102.1st.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17362 You could try http://www.thistledewfarm.com/ He is a beekeeper from West Virginia. You may have seen him on Jay Leno's show. His name is Steve Colon. You can email him with questions. He's very nice. My husband and I just picked up bees from his last night. Give him a holler. He'll be glad to help. Lisa Conner lconner@1st.net wrote in message news:71ia2g$okq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > In article <70gf7a$67t$2@news1.Radix.Net>, > honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > > shine389@aol.com (Shine389) wrote: > > > > >Hi, I am very very interested in keeping bees and also very very clueless. > Can > > >someone lead me to someone or someplace that can help me?? Thanks. > > It would help if we knew what part of the planet are you > > from? > > > > The following might give you a clue: > > 1. Go to the library. > > 2. Get a library card (they are free). > > 3. Take home books and videos on beekeeping. > > 4. Watch videos. > > 5. Read books. > > 6. Return them to the library. > > 7. Go back to rule #3. > > > > Then come here with inteligent questions for discussion. > > > > Greg > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > > > shine389, the above are excellent suggestions from greg, I would also then > call your local agriculture dept., ask the entomologis if there are any bee > keepers that known to be helpful to beginners, many commercial people don't > have the time but some will. Good luck. I'm in S. Calif. > > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 09:07:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990515050726.02102.00000897@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17363 > >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was >dry. Are they EATING all this, or prob eating it how is jar set up ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Tue May 18 05:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WCB Hive Plans Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:13:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7hb2ma$ado$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3736E4BF.107B@islandnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 12 05:13:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.24, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17364 In article <3736E4BF.107B@islandnet.com>, Georg Stratemeyer wrote: > A few weeks ago I saw an address posted for WCB Hive plans in this news > group. I saved them, so I thought, and of course cannot find them now. > Could somebody give me this address again, please. Try this URL -- http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html The hive plans there, including WCB, are in PDF format, so you will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to gain full value, though there are some non-PDF accompanying pages, which are better than nothing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue May 18 05:50:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Wed, 12 May 99 07:48:45 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1833C6DDFS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17365 In article "Anglin" writes: > >The US postal orifice has eaten My Queens! > >Orderd them from Jessup Georgia on Thursday, they were shipped out by >priority mail on Friday, and they still haven't shown up today (Tuesday) I >am praying that they will be in tomorrow morning! > I had the same deal about a week ago. Queens shipped overnight express on Thursday afternoon (Post Office was able to verify this) from Albany, Ga. - arrived in Albany, NY the following Tuesday. Post Office was unable to find the queens on their tracking system until they arrived at my local post office. I paid $11.75 for overnight delivery that took 5 days. When I inquired if I had to pay the express fees the Post Office explained that only the person who mailed the package is entitled to make a claim. Aaron Morris - thinking Overnight Express, what a deal, what a racket! From Sky7@s-direktnet.de Tue May 18 05:50:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net.MISMATCH!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!193.141.40.8.MISMATCH!new-blackbush.xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!f.de.uu.net!nr-f.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "SkyBlue" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wie finde ich die Königin? Date: 12 May 1999 14:18:40 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Deutschland GmbH, Dortmund, Germany Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7hc2k0$2fd$1@newsread.f.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.155.171.116 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17366 Hallo, Ich hoffe es sind auch deutschsprachige hier?! So nun zum meinem Problem: Einer meiner Bienenvölker möchte Schwärmen, Ich möchte einen Ableger machen, finde die Königin nicht, wahrscheinlich ist ihr Zeichen verloren gegangen. Die Bienen haben schon Weißelzellen angebaut und es finden sich schon kleine Maden in den Zellen. Wie finde ich die Königin, ich habe schon jede Wabe nach ihr durchgesucht, aber ohne Erfolg. Am leben ist sie noch, da in den Waben Eier und Maden sind. Servus Markus From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Tue May 18 05:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net.MISMATCH!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wisteria:poison plant Date: 12 May 1999 14:42:40 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7hc410$2mn0$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990507011127.12593.00000418@ng-cf1.aol.com> <7gv1a1$d2m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3735dbec.5f9f@primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926520160 000 192.168.253.46 (12 May 1999 14:42:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 May 1999 14:42:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17367 thats a relief, acid loving plants dont grow in my alkaline soil >Rhododendrons are supposed to produce toxic nectar and honey . . . From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue May 18 05:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Horizzontal Swarm Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:28:36 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7hc6ov$hnb$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.130.133 X-Trace: 926522975 1NNUCNF1G8285C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17368 Luverly swarm 10ft up a sapling Could n't reach it No skep Put an empty hive below it in the ditch Tied a rope around the tree Gave the rope a sharp tug Tree whiplashed swarm landed where? Yes right on top of me+ACE- -and who said swarms are always calm. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Tue May 18 05:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeen after swarm? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 06:26:58 -0400 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7hjipm$u7$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-231-96.s96.tnt4.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 15 May 1999 10:37:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17369 Hi folks. I recently captured a swarm and made a new hive. This was the second swarm, which was still pretty good size. The first one was given away to a local botanic garden. Right after the second swarm, I noticed that there were no eggs present in the old hive. Shouldn't a swarm leave a new queen behind? Typically, how long does it take her to mate and to begin to lay eggs? Regards, Marc Andelman From pollinator@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 11:44:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990515074459.04826.00000806@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17370 From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >I have one hive, with 3 lb. of package bees put in just about two weeks ago. > >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was >dry. Are they EATING all this, or is it evaporating? I doubt it's evaporating. Could be leaking, only you can say on that. If they are taking it, that's a very good sign. That sugar is pure energy, and the bees are gonna' need it to raise more bees, and to fly for pollen for their protein. A good feeding hive is a healthy one, that is getting ready to do something! The ones I worry about are the ones that DON'T take the feed. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From patterson-nospam@no.spam.earthlink.net Tue May 18 05:50:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: patterson-nospam@no.spam.earthlink.net (Cara & Tom Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: paper nesting tubes for solitary bees Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:47:44 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 May 1999 11:47:59 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 15 04:55:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Lines: 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-209.245.12.57.denver1.level3.net Message-ID: <373e5dc0.2131840@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17371 Found this web site for a compant that makes paper tubes (all sorts of them) and they have a section on paper nesting tubes for solitary bees. I have not used them but thought it was pertinant to at least one of the discussions I saw recently on this newsgroup. http://www.custompapertubes.com/96032p12.htm From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 18 05:50:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 09:14:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hi2n7$phb$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990515051458.02102.00000898@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17372 >PDB and mothballs are different substances. > >I believe that mothballs may be injurious to bees and will certainly taint >the wax. Just a bit of knowledge here Pete, there are moth balls made of ParaDi Chloro Benzene (PDB ) as well as urinal cakes ( a lot cheaper ) The thing to do is read the label. If the moth balls are made of Napthalene DO NOT USE THEM. Most of the newer moth control items on grocery shelves are Napthalene so just be careful and read the label. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From patterson.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net Tue May 18 05:51:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: patterson.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net (Cara & Tom Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paper nesting tubes for solitary bees Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:11:27 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <373e5dc0.2131840@news.earthlink.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 May 1999 12:11:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 15 05:15:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Lines: 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-209.245.12.57.denver1.level3.net Message-ID: <373f6387.3611866@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17373 Actually a link with lots more info which will lead to the site in my previous posting is: http://www.uidaho.edu/pses/Strickler/SolitaryBees/supply.htm which is a page for "Product and Information Suppliers for Blue Orchard Bees, Osmia lignaria,and Hornfaced Bees, Osmia cornifrons, for Orchard Pollination " From jgcn4@webtv.net Tue May 18 05:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jgcn4@webtv.net (nancy winters) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bees Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2377-373D624F-7@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAo1w7Y8Zfup2Q9gytb6putuPC45MCFEx9HXSob9z0MnRKAsfhJ1Z4VgRS Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17374 I have a problem with queen bees in my backyard...... I have a tree FULL of them..... How do I get them to go away?.....so my kids can play... They fly 4ft, over the swingset Thank you for your help e-mail to jgcn4@webtv.net Nan From jgcn4@webtv.net Tue May 18 05:51:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jgcn4@webtv.net (nancy winters) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bees Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2379-373D62B5-3@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR4MdRfrXI/6XBSoX7T0zyJ20EBUAIUeoCvAsLbQSERl0qqXduSTv8K9zQ= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17375 I have a problem with queen bees in my backyard...... I have a tree FULL of them..... How do I get them to go away?.....so my kids can play... They fly 4ft, over the swingset Thank you for your help e-mail to jgcn4@webtv.net Nan From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Tue May 18 05:51:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK supplier of Wired foundation Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:14:01 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 926777239 16560 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17376 Anyone know a good supplier of wired foundation: specifically jumbo brood for langstroth? Mike -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue May 18 05:51:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: requeen after swarm? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:57:00 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7hjipm$u7$1@ligarius.ultra.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 May 1999 13:58:19 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 15 07:05:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust99.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373D7D2C.201A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17377 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Hi folks. I recently captured a swarm and made a new hive. > This was the second swarm, which was still pretty good size. > The first one was given away to a local botanic garden. > Right after the second swarm, I noticed that there were no > eggs present in the old hive. Shouldn't a swarm leave > a new queen behind? Typically, how long does it take > her to mate and to begin to lay eggs? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman I rushed things this year and requeened with a young queen in the hive loosing my new queen. It takes several days for a newly hatched queen to start. About 4 or fife days to mate and up to a week to start laying. Watch for pollan going in the hive which is a very good sign there is a queen there. I had one hive that went to worker layers but I put a mature laying queen in the hive after shaking the bees and all is well now. Don From jpa555@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Info Request Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 13:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990515090112.15324.00000874@ng05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17378 My advice to you is that you go to your favorite book store and pick up any book on beekeeping. When I started I cleaned out the book store that I go to. But you better hurry up and decide because you want to get them in in the spring so that you can get the colony biult up for the summer honey flow so they can have a strong colony going into the winter. From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Tue May 18 05:51:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!cyclone.swbell.net!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:34:28 -0400 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7hk7s3$8rk@news2.tds.net> References: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarq.com> <37362828.ee3bd0ce@megalink.net> <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nlnh1-a01.kear.tds.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17379 Shelley Corbin wrote > for some reason, i cant find the answers to the questions i asked last > week. should i hold off putting on supers until i have quit feeding them? > how long do i wait? a few days, a week before putting supers on? > Wow! woke up this am heading over to Killington for one last ski day, My honey, (S.O.), suggests checking the bees for syrup. Damn! the feeder is bone dry again, and the start of comb in thedivision board feeder! Trying to figure out what to do I turn to the list, sure enough, same questions here! I plan on checking for full frames, if full add super, and move feeder upstairs to the new room. If not full today, I will not add super, just syrup. Add a super in a couple of days. Hows that sound? Thanks for the hidden support system.......Damon From drox@hotmail.com Tue May 18 05:51:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey comb Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:00:30 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 22 Message-ID: <373D9A1E.26F0C28F@hotmail.com> References: <19990512123045.26171.00001451@ngol01.aol.com> <19990512175840.29957.00001145@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-136.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17380 Tomapis wrote: > Actually the wax has no nutritional value but its fun to chew...the > foundation > used is very thin and has to be ordered for use as comb or chunk > honey. Even the extra-thin comb-honey foundation is thicker than what the bees produce on their own. My instructor/mentor recommends using a narrow strip (and inch or so) of this thin foundation at the top of the frame, and letting the bees build the rest. > ...need a very good steady nectar flow for this production and it > must be taken off the hive once the comb is sealed or you will get > stains from > bees walking on the cappings. Also don't forget that queen excluder! I removed mine (my first year as a beekeeper) because it seemed the bees were reluctant to go into the super when it was in place. Wouldn't you know it, Her Highness laid eggs in the combs, ruining it for comb-honey use.-Drox From drox@hotmail.com Tue May 18 05:51:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:07:39 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 13 Message-ID: <373D9BCB.74143705@hotmail.com> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <926471447.718.9@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-136.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17381 Eric K. Engelhard wrote: > The hives themselves are > parked on the roof of our three story building right across from the > Golden > Gate Park. Today I sat next to the hives for a half hour on a > beautiful day > and looked over the park. Sounds like heaven! -Drox From pollinator@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bees Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 18:07:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <2377-373D624F-7@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19990515140729.14546.00000902@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17382 From: jgcn4@webtv.net (nancy winters) >I have a problem with queen bees in my backyard...... > >I have a tree FULL of them..... > >How do I get them to go away?.....so my kids can play... > >They fly 4ft, over the swingset It's very doubtful they are queen bees. Queen honeybees will only fly briefly at mating time, and possible again with a swarm. Queen bumblebees are busy provisioning their nests and laying eggs, so they aren't going to be hanging around either. Considering the time of year they quite likely are carpenter bees, and not queens, but drones. Are they fuzzy and large, with black abdomens? And do they hover around, coming often to investigate you? If so, that's what you have. The good news is that they are completely harmless. Better yet, they can provide a lot of entertainment for the kids. Teach them to respect them, but they can watch. These drones stake out an area and hover there until something moves. Then they go to investigate. They are seeking to mate with queen carpenter bees, but they will chase dragonflies, small birds, and even sometimes people. Toss a pebble to see what happens. I watched a pair of wrens try to build a nest, and a carpenter drone was chasing them each time they flew. No matter how much they scolded, he wouldn't give up. 'Bout laughed my socks off. The female will make a tiny hole in some wood and lay her eggs. She could sting, if you caught her in your hand, but she will ignore you completely as she goes about her work, which is reproduction. Carpenter bees pollinate a lot of early blossoms, so protect them as much as you can. Your tree probably has some inconspicuous blossoms that are keeping the females busy. If they are carpenter bees, your kids are perfectly safe. A lady came to me all upset one time, because bees were visiting her holly bushes. I went with her and pointed out the blossoms, which she hadn't noticed. I held her three-year old granddaughter and we went in to watch them up close. They have no interest in anything except doing their work. The youngster thought it was really interesting to watch. I told the lady, if she wanted berries on her holly (to feed the birds later), she'd have to live with the bees. It is the natural order of things, not something to panic about. Stay calm and don't swat at them. They have no interest in stinging, because their home is not here, and does not need defense. She had been spraying them with Raid. I also told her that these (honeybees in this case) were a bee farmer's livestock and she was doing about the same thing as a guy stopping by the roadside and shooting the cows in a pasture. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey comb Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 18:09:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373D9A1E.26F0C28F@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <19990515140955.14546.00000903@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17383 Tomapis wrote: > Actually the wax has no nutritional value but its fun to chew... Maybe it's not "nutritional," but it is beneficial. We are constantly told to eat more fiber in our diet. Beeswax is natural fiber. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From mikeharris@c21winners.com Tue May 18 05:51:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stander" Subject: HIVES PER ACRE? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: shv5-109.shreve.net/208.249.213.109 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 926792188890 Lines: 5 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:16:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 926792203 216.200.3.205 (Sat, 15 May 1999 11:16:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:16:43 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17384 Approximately how many hives per acre of land, can be kept? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From mikeharris@c21winners.com Tue May 18 05:51:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stander" Subject: HONEY PER ACRE! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: shv5-109.shreve.net/208.249.213.109 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 926792518112 Lines: 6 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:24:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 926792667 216.200.3.202 (Sat, 15 May 1999 11:24:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:24:27 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17385 Approximately how much honey can be safely produced from an acre of land containing clover and flowers? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue May 18 05:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Residential hive Date: Thu, 13 May 99 18:42:36 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 100 Message-ID: References: <7h5mru$sht$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.76 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:42:30 GMT X-Trace: 926624550.597.70 KRFRRPH9I1C4CCF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17386 Hi, Bees range about two, to three miles . Those swarms HAD to come from somewhere . Sounds like there's a thriving bee population somewhere close, to get so many swarms so quickly, and your activity is probably not going to change the general populations of bees for your neighbors to get used to . < ;-) > A-course, ya cud jus sen em a polinatorin bil . < /;-) > We had a neighbor do that once . Renters two doors east, got a hive or two of bees, and sent us a bill in the mail . "Kalifornians"! Didn't seem to take into account the fact that we had 25stands, of a professional's hives, sometimes supered up WAY over six feet tall . Added supers with a fruit picking ladder, and nailed props into the sides, to keep them from falling over . Seems like dad sent him a bill in return . Don't recall how it turned out . Imagine everybody round had a good chuckle . I know we did . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/9/99 9:21PM, in message <7h5mru$sht$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Robert Reck" wrote: Last year my neighbor built me a very cool three sectioned standing birdhouse. One of the house sections was way too large for birds (about 1 foot wide by 2 feet high), and last summer a hive of bees moved in. They stayed only a couple of weeks and then moved on. Well this spring another colony moved in, and they just kept growing until they were hanging out the openings (four entry holes for the birds) and covering one side of the structure. Last week we noticed some strange activity (a few bees hanging out near the exterior lights at night), and today I heard the loudest buzzing coming from our trees. Seconds later, the swarm appeared over the trees. It took it about five minutes to make its way across the yard and over the fence. After they left I checked the birdhouse to see if any remained, and there were a few stragglers busy with the combs. My question is, how do I know if there is still a queen in there, as we would like to get to the honeycomb? And also, since we live in a residential area, is it all right to let another colony form, or should I plug up those holes in the birdhouse? I have never been bothered by the bees, and I garden right next to them each day. However, I am afraid of having neighbors get stung, and I don't know if I'm courting trouble by having a hive in a residential neighborhood (even though I didn't put the bees there). . But I am also applying to have our yard approved as a Backyard Wildlife Habitat by the NWF, and I do what I can to encourage critters to feel at home here. Any ideas? C Reck From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue May 18 05:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HIVES PER ACRE? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 18:52:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990515145216.14548.00000920@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17387 >Approximately how many hives per acre of land, can be kept? Well a hive covers roughly 2.26 square foot of space- now and acre is approximately - - - Actually your question makes little sense. The bees fly out a mile or two to forage. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bobpursley@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Records Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 19:11:59 GMT References: <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990515151159.17929.00001742@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17388 In article <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default>, "ogg" writes: > >As a relative newcomer to the hobby, I can see the need for hive records. >But what exactly should these contain. Has anybody out there got a copy of >a "typical" record sheet that I can copy. > >Ian > Dr CC Millers book is great on this, as I recall, each visit he recorded hive number, weight, number frames brood, amount of honey removed, condition of stores, queen status( including if he added a cell, or killed q), any disease treatment or need for, queen cells, that is all I remember, you need his book. From bobpursley@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 May 1999 19:11:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990515151158.17929.00001741@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17389 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was >dry. Are they EATING all this, or is it evaporating? > Eating. New hives on foundation can go thru a lot of sugar to make wax, and rear brood. Watch the pollen also. From conflux@my-dejanews.com Tue May 18 05:51:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: conflux@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reversing hive bodies Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:28:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.94.53.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 15 19:28:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.94.53.99 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17390 Hello; My family just purchased a hive from a local person whose husband kept bees and who recently died. She ran the honey selling, so has no knowledge of the beekeeping. We live in northwest Washington State where it has been a cold and rainy spring, but the apples are now in full bloom. I have contacted the county extension, and have not been able to get any local help, beyond a booklet. I am concerned that the hive bodies need to be reversed, but do not know how to examine the hive to see if this should be done. Can anyone out there tell me how to do this and what to look for, as well as the criteria for reversing hive bodies. Thank you very much for any help --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue May 18 05:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-175.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:34:08 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <19990515151158.17929.00001741@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.af X-Server-Date: 15 May 1999 19:36:03 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17391 In article <19990515151158.17929.00001741@ngol07.aol.com>, bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) wrote: > In article , > HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > > > > >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was > >dry. Are they EATING all this, or is it evaporating? > > > > Eating. New hives on foundation can go thru a lot of sugar to make wax, and > rear brood. Watch the pollen also. They're bringing what appears to me to be one helluva lot of pollen in, and in different colours- orange, yellow, and white. Some of the bees are so loaded down when they reach the hive that they do more of a crash than a landing. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue May 18 05:51:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-175.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:31:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <19990515050726.02102.00000897@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.af X-Server-Date: 15 May 1999 19:33:54 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17392 In article <19990515050726.02102.00000897@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was > >dry. Are they EATING all this, or > > prob eating it > > how is jar set up ? It has a metal screw-on top with about a dozen holes in it, and the jar and top are turned ass-wise up and placed in the metal "feeder holder" sent with Dadant's starter kit. It doesn't appear to be leaking. This morning I moved it into a shady location, still near the hive, to see if that has any effect. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 18 05:51:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:40:45 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hkqh4$ah3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7hi2n7$phb$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990515051458.02102.00000898@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-70.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926805348 10787 62.136.17.70 (15 May 1999 21:55:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 1999 21:55:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17393 Thanks for the info. I think that all mothballs in the UK are naphthalene - just another example of where those giving advice need to be aware of the target audience. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990515051458.02102.00000898@ng-ca1.aol.com>... > >there are moth balls made of ParaDi Chloro Benzene (PDB ) as well as urinal >cakes ( a lot cheaper ) The thing to do is read the label. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 18 05:51:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HIVES PER ACRE? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:54:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7hkqh6$ah3$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-70.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 926805349 10787 62.136.17.70 (15 May 1999 21:55:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 1999 21:55:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17394 How long is a piece of string?!!! The simple answer is that it all depends on the forage available at the time and will vary throughout the year. However, it is not so simple to judge the optimum number, as this requires a fairly detailed knowledge of the flora in the surrounding land up to one and a half miles radius. What makes it more difficult is that you also need to know the number of other colonies in the surrounding countryside up to three miles radius - and that is a great deal of land! Joining your local association will help. Stander wrote in message ... >Approximately how many hives per acre of land, can be kept? >-- >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 18 05:51:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HIVES PER ACRE? Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:35:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7hkqe0$ea4$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17395 "Stander" wrote: >Approximately how many hives per acre of land, can be kept? Well if you figure that the average hive takes up 2 2/3 square feet and there are 43,560 square feet in a acre you can fit 16,335 hives on one acre! Now if you stack them, well..... I don't recomend it though. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 18 05:51:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bees Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:30:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7hkq5e$ea4$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <2377-373D624F-7@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990515140729.14546.00000902@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17396 pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > Considering the time of year they quite likely are carpenter bees, and not >queens, but drones. > Are they fuzzy and large, with black abdomens? And do they hover around, >coming often to investigate you? If so, that's what you have. The good news is >that they are completely harmless. Unless you live in a log cabin! I saw thousands of them boring in a cabin once. Beat on the wall and they came out like a hive of bees. It took a couple of years to get rid of them. The log siding had to be replaced. > The female will make a tiny hole in some wood and lay her eggs. She could >sting, if you caught her in your hand, but she will ignore you completely as >she goes about her work, which is reproduction. Tiny? Its about a 1/2 inch in diameter. Get enough of them and they will cause structural damage. > Carpenter bees pollinate a lot of early blossoms, so protect them as much >as you can. Your tree probably has some inconspicuous blossoms that are keeping >the females busy. If they are carpenter bees, your kids are perfectly safe. Thats fine if the blossoms are small. On large blossoms such as honeysuckle they bite the base of the flower. The net result is damaged flowers and no fruit set. Like everything else in this world they have their place. But you can't let them get out of control. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 18 05:51:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY PER ACRE! Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:44:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7hkqv2$ea4$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17397 "Stander" wrote: >Approximately how much honey can be safely produced from an acre of >land containing clover and flowers? That totally depends on the quality of the land, the weather, and the bees. You need to read some of George S. Ayers works on the subject. He has articles in the American Bee Journal all the times under "the other side of beekeeping." He has been studing this subject for most of his life. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Tue May 18 05:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:30:18 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7hksld$7ss$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.19 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 926807533 8092 208.247.251.19 (15 May 1999 22:32:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 1999 22:32:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17398 Strongly recommend finding a local beekeepers group, cuz there's forever questions like this, and it's nice to have local input. Reversing is done to "upset" the natural buildup of brood in the hive, which has the effect of reducing the probability of swarming, where the queen leaves with half or more of your bees. It is also used to get the brood nest down to the bottom box, where beekeepers seem to think it ought to be! (Ask a bee!) A better way is to make sure she has plenty of laying room by adding empty frames directly over (or within) the brood nest, moving full frames outward. Good luck! Spook wrote in message news:7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello; > My family just purchased a hive from a local person whose husband kept > bees and who recently died. She ran the honey selling, so has no > knowledge of the beekeeping. > We live in northwest Washington State where it has been a cold and > rainy spring, but the apples are now in full bloom. > I have contacted the county extension, and have not been able to get > any local help, beyond a booklet. > I am concerned that the hive bodies need to be reversed, but do not > know how to examine the hive to see if this should be done. > Can anyone out there tell me how to do this and what to look for, as > well as the criteria for reversing hive bodies. > Thank you very much for any help > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Tue May 18 05:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:30:49 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7hksle$7ss$2@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.19 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 926807534 8092 208.247.251.19 (15 May 1999 22:32:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 1999 22:32:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17399 Strongly recommend finding a local beekeepers group, cuz there's forever questions like this, and it's nice to have local input. Reversing is done to "upset" the natural buildup of brood in the hive, which has the effect of reducing the probability of swarming, where the queen leaves with half or more of your bees. It is also used to get the brood nest down to the bottom box, where beekeepers seem to think it ought to be! (Ask a bee!) A better way is to make sure she has plenty of laying room by adding empty frames directly over (or within) the brood nest, moving full frames outward. Good luck! Spook wrote in message news:7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello; > My family just purchased a hive from a local person whose husband kept > bees and who recently died. She ran the honey selling, so has no > knowledge of the beekeeping. > We live in northwest Washington State where it has been a cold and > rainy spring, but the apples are now in full bloom. > I have contacted the county extension, and have not been able to get > any local help, beyond a booklet. > I am concerned that the hive bodies need to be reversed, but do not > know how to examine the hive to see if this should be done. > Can anyone out there tell me how to do this and what to look for, as > well as the criteria for reversing hive bodies. > Thank you very much for any help > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue May 18 05:51:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: four virgin queens Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:17:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 May 1999 23:18:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 15 16:25:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 32 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust184.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373E0072.3E93@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17400 Fellow beekeeps, I spent the afternoon taking bees from the wall of a house. Temp mid 50's, windy and damp. I only used smoke. No gloves, no veil(had them handy just in case} no problem. I did get one sting from a stinger that was on a piece of honeycomb I sampled. There was no bee attached and the swelling in my upper lip has gone down already. A swarm was captured around the 6th of May in the yard next to it so figuring it came from the house in question, I expected to find lots of queen cells. Found one recently opened queen cell and the one next to it chewed. Used my home made vac and put about 5 lbs of bees in a shipping cage and closed and sealed the house. Removed 6 unhatched queen cells and put them in a box. When I went to hive the bees on pulled foundation and sealed brood I found a newly hatched queen in the box which I immediately added to the shipping cage. Dumped them in a hive and there she was crawling on a frame. Found another newly hatched queen in the box and put her in a cage to requeen a hive with a failing queen. Have done it before. Will release her Monday. Had some bees that refused to leave the shipping cage so I gave them 2 queen cells and found two more newly hatched queens in the box so with nothing else to do and it being too late, I dumped them into the shipping cage also with the unhatched sealed brood from the house. If they are still there tomorrow, I'll start two nucs with them. Beekeeping can sure be fun. Don in NC BTW I ordered two queens yesterday From cde049@airmail.net Tue May 18 05:51:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:00:01 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7hl1ut$o@library3.airnews.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat May 15 19:02:37 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !WX&_1k-X4^fm:6 (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17401 Mine are going through 64 oz. a day for a week and a half and I still don't see much comb on the supers. They had 9 frames and a feeder when I got them. I put one frame of foundation in and 10 frames of medium foundation on and while the bottom is full I'm not seeing anything on the top. Cliff >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was >dry. Are they EATING all this, or is it evaporating? From jajwuth@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 02:51:26 GMT References: <19990514204338.17930.00001651@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990515225126.12489.00001900@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17402 I was wondering if anybody has developed a design to minimize sidewall attachment of combs in top bar hives. In some of the webpages some beekeepers are using cylindercal shapes like the natural crescent shapes of comb. Thanks all al From euroxboy@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 04:25:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990516002504.08790.00001077@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17403 I've got some hives putting away 2 gallons+ per week. My hivetop feeders hold better than 3 gallons and many are empty per fillups. I emptied 50 gallons today and didn't even make it thru the whole bee yard. In a normal year here the bees should be self sufficient by now, but with this PNW weather they don't leave the hives. They made a little bit of maple honey 2 weeks ago when we had a break in the rain but they've used it all up. Thinking I'll claim 50 more dependants, or should I claim 50 x 20,000 per hive=1,000,000 bees for dependants on this years income tax return, seeing how I'll be supporting my bees all this year. keith From euroxboy@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 04:32:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <19990516003247.08790.00001080@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17404 Where are located, I'm in the Everett area, Lk Stevens. This has been one of the worst years I've had for bees here. Guess it's the greehouse effect, with 6" of snow 5 miles east of me, and still some frosty nights yet. If you're close to me let me know. Keith From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue May 18 05:51:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 12:56:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990515051458.02102.00000898@ng-ca1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990516085652.05223.00001166@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17405 Read the label- side by side in many stores (shops) are both napthalene and para type moth balls. YOU ONLY WANT PARA for comb storage Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From allend@internode.net Tue May 18 05:51:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:18:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 78 Message-ID: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 16 15:18:06 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17406 Hi Jack and everyone Thanks to the magic of the power search at the DejaNews archives, I have been enjoying -- once again -- your comments, Jack, on chilling/transport of queen cells in discussion with Adam some time back. (Seems like yesterday, but it was '97). It is that splitting time of year again, and I am trying to learn things that do not seem to be in the texts -- not the ones I have anyhow. I am wondering if you have more to tell us on the topic of the experiments you and Jared carried out and shared on this group. The matter of handling queen cells is fraught with superstition and your writing sure helped clarify a few things for me. Here's why I'm worrying: We got hit with some really nasty weather on Friday in the middle of putting in about 375 cells. About 2/3rds were ripe and 1/3 due to hatch today (Sunday). None of us wanted to work the weekend -- particularly since the same lousy weather was predicted to continue until Monday, so we decided to bite the bullet and put them all in. Now I am sitting here biting my fingernails off at the elbow about the younger ones, especially after re-reading the notes in the archives. Here's how it went down: We tried to control the temperature in transit and introduction at 90- 94 degrees F. For that, we used a 40 quart cooler with four 2-liter milk bottles of warm water in the bottom and layers of quilt batting and towels to maintain the temp in transit, then moved the cells into a smaller cooler with gel-paks for the actual work in the yards. We used Radio Shack hi/lo reading digital thermometers to monitor temperatures. The cells were upright in JayZee BeeZee protectors in blocks of grey sponge foam -- the kind that are 7" x 7" x 1-1/2" thick with all the nice little 7/16" holes in a 10 x 10 pattern on 5/8" centres. (Sure would like to know where to get more of these). The cells were protected from the wind by the foam until we removed them to pop them into the splits, but the temperatures in the smaller coolers would not have been stable. Temperatures outside were about 40 degrees F with rain and considerable gusty wind. I know we got the cells into the brood area of large splits (6 to 9 frame with 3 to 5 frames of brood. I'm not too worried about the ripe ones, but am sweating about the younger ones. Any thoughts? Anyone? allen --- original post --- Subject: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 1997/05/30 Author: Jack Griffes " As stated in an earlier post: My 8 year old son, Jared, and I are doing an experiment currently to see if we have (or have not) correctly determined a way to send queen cells through the United States Postal system with a HIGH degree of emergence upon planting them in nucs/hives upon arrival at their destination. All 50 cells involved were grafted off same AI queen on the same day (14 May). Jared grafted part of the cells..." -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From bobpursley@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: four virgin queens Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 16:55:03 GMT References: <373E0072.3E93@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990516125503.12489.00001991@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17407 In article <373E0072.3E93@earthlink.net>, workerbee writes: > >Beekeeping can sure be fun. > I remember when I started out 25 years ago, Getting bees from Sears mail order, making splits until I had 4 hives. One night, I got the bright idea of moving one of my strong hives to the place of week hive (hoping to equalize them). My backyard was fenced high with a wooden privacy fence, so I just went out in my undershorts and tee shirts to do it. Well, my 6 year old son followed. He was wanting to help. I sealled up both hives very well, and started. He held the flashlight. Somehow, he got disoriented, and I tripped over him holding the strong hive, but having enough presence not to let if fall on him. You guess the rest, I hit the ground, the strong hive burst open, and I was underneith. The bees did not like that for some reason. The worst was yet to come. After going back into the house pulling stingers out, I realized that there would be hell to pay in the morning when the bees could see in light, and the neighborhood would be an awful mess with bees. I then decided it would be best if I went back into the yard and cleaned it up the best I could. Having learned about dressing, I slipped on a pair of jeans, shirt and veil, but no shoes. DUMB DUMB DUMB. I did get it cleaned up, and learned some lasting lessons not mentioned in Dadants First Lessons . Beekeeping can sure be fun. Bob From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 18 05:51:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:40:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <373F02FE.634@midwest.net> References: <19990516085847.05223.00001168@ng-fs1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.27 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:49:26 GMT X-Trace: 926876966.985.82 JF3D7GB4M1C1BD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17408 BeeCrofter wrote: > About the color of a washed red flannel shirt. The folks at Crayola should sit up and take note of that...ok kiddies, take out your Washed Red Flannel Shirt crayons and color the clown's nose. How far along are your Maple trees? My bees pick up red pollen from the maples but that was a several weeks ago - you surely aren't that far behind us here in S.IL. AL From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Tue May 18 05:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: why did this happen? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:35:22 -0400 Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.3 Message-ID: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 16 May 1999 13:41:18 -0600, 209.192.109.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!rpi!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17409 I installed 3 packages on Wednesday and the directions suggested checking if the queens had been released 4 days later. Well I checked them and one was out and the other one I opps'd on and had the candy covered by the inner cover so I released her. But the other one has me puzzled. The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get out. Since I had to put it between two frames the workers had started building comb next to the queen cage and was pretty big for 4 days. I removed this comb as it was built on the edge of the frame since the space was so large, but when I took it out there were two supersedure cells on either side of the comb, why would this happen so soon? That has me puzzled. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 18 05:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:54:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 22 Message-ID: <373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 926885024 .ZFUVYH4M1CC D0EBC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17410 Ralph Landry wrote: > ......The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I > inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get > out. Since I had to put it between two frames the workers had started > building comb next to the queen cage and was pretty big for 4 days. I > removed this comb as it was built on the edge of the frame since the > space was so large, but when I took it out there were two supersedure > cells on either side of the comb, why would this happen so soon? That > has me puzzled. Supersedure cells? You can't have new queen cells without a laying queen. Are you sure they are not drone cells? If in fact they are queen cells there must bee a queen loose in the pkg. AL From davekern@hotmail.com Tue May 18 05:51:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Space Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:48:07 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <926574431.584.31@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.147.150 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:47:11 GMT X-Trace: 926574431.584.31 EBWSELLPC9396D862C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17411 I own about 2.5 acres in Southern California that has a small avocado grove on it along with our house. I am considering getting bees as a hobby and to help with the trees. But, with that said, I also have two small children. How much space is required to have bees? If I put the hive down in the grove will they do their thing and pretty much leave us alone? Don't get me wrong about not wanting them around, I just want to enjoy out doors without the fear of our kids getting stung. Safety, Safety! With that said I am excited at the prospect of bees. Does anyone know of good bee equipment, etc. in San Diego County? Thanks in advance. Dave From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Tue May 18 05:51:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worm in the queen cage Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:57:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7hdpjk$kn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7hb1vj$a0s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990512021237.03404.00000560@ng-ci1.aol.com> <7hc463$2mn0$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7hcenb$4pq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 13 05:57:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.33, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17412 Thanks to BeeCrofter as to David Scribner for the expanded answer. I would have interpreted the worm as a wax worm if it had been in/on the comb. I just was taken by surprise that something other than my queen was in the queen cage. So far no evidence of more than the one. Knock on wood. In the time the bees had to wait for a replacement queen, all the comb remained undamaged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 18 05:51:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:38:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7heemr$r59$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7h974r$p9c$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <1833C6DDFS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17413 SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >In article >"Anglin" writes: > >> >>The US postal orifice has eaten My Queens! >> >>Orderd them from Jessup Georgia on Thursday, they were shipped out by >>priority mail on Friday, and they still haven't shown up today (Tuesday) I >>am praying that they will be in tomorrow morning! >> >I had the same deal about a week ago. Queens shipped overnight express on >Thursday afternoon (Post Office was able to verify this) from Albany, Ga. - >arrived in Albany, NY the following Tuesday. Post Office was unable to find >the queens on their tracking system until they arrived at my local post >office. I paid $11.75 for overnight delivery that took 5 days. When I >inquired if I had to pay the express fees the Post Office explained that >only the person who mailed the package is entitled to make a claim. > >Aaron Morris - thinking Overnight Express, what a deal, what a racket! Ask the shipper to mail you their copy of the receipt. With that you can get a postage refund. You have 90 days to file. I get 15% - 20% of my express mail postage back every year. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Blonde Bees Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 19:02:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990516150236.04828.00001323@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17414 > I'm seeing Blone Bees mixed in with the others in one of my hives! > >The queen was naturally mated last summer (August/ Sept) and up to now all >the bees have been leatery to dark colored. Suddenly I am seein young, >Blonde colored bees. Their legs and other chitenous areas are a blonish >carmel color instead of brown or black, and the bansing on their abdomens is >very faint- sort of caramel and honey colored. (Very Pretty looking in the >midst of their dark sisters) > So far only about 10-20% of the bees are Blonde. Could this be Cordovan >genes coming out? I thought cordovans were red colored? >Any theories? > The queen could have mated with a light colored drone; they mate up to 15 times (and we want them to, for long life). But are you sure you aren't looking at recently emerged babies that haven't yet had time to darken their chiten? "Newborn" bees are almost white. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From D.Washing@worldnet.att.net Tue May 18 05:51:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Douglas Washing" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper in Toledo/Detroit Area? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:07:32 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7hnc8g$ied$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.250.37.167 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 926889040 18893 208.250.37.167 (16 May 1999 21:10:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 1999 21:10:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17415 I'm a newbie to the beekeeping arena and am interested in finding a keeper in the Toledo/Detroit area willing to allow me to observe their setup/routines in order to get a better idea of what it takes to be a successful keeper. If there is anyone interested, please e-mail me. Thanks From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue May 18 05:51:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sun, 16 May 99 20:26:38 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: wrote: Mine are going through 64 oz. a day for a week and a half and I still don't see much comb on the supers. They had 9 frames and a feeder when I got them. I put one frame of foundation in and 10 frames of medium foundation on and while the bottom is full I'm not seeing anything on the top. Cliff >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was >dry. Are they EATING all this, or is it evaporating? From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 18 05:51:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Blonde Bees Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:35:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7hnibk$lvr$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17417 "Anglin" wrote: > I'm seeing Blone Bees mixed in with the others in one of my hives! >The queen was naturally mated last summer (August/ Sept) and up to now all >the bees have been leatery to dark colored. Suddenly I am seein young, >Blonde colored bees. Their legs and other chitenous areas are a blonish >carmel color instead of brown or black, and the bansing on their abdomens is >very faint- sort of caramel and honey colored. (Very Pretty looking in the >midst of their dark sisters) > So far only about 10-20% of the bees are Blonde. Could this be Cordovan >genes coming out? I thought cordovans were red colored? >Any theories? >Ellen Are you sure it's not a new queen? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 4 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 22:57:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990516185755.13056.00001320@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17418 >A scent producing glant that the bees expose when they want to attract other >bees. (Like when a swarm is entering a new hive) >The scent produced is supposed to be fruity. >The gland is near the end of the abdomen, just above the stinger- they >expose it by bending down the tip of the abdomen while they fan. >Ellen > >Hk1BeeMan wrote in message Congrats You've done your homework !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From calin@ozemail.com.au Tue May 18 05:51:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee types and color variations? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:50:12 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <373F59B4.F5E8022F@ozemail.com.au> References: <373C66C4.166E@monmouth.com> <7hi51r$r5q$1@News.Dal.Ca> <373CD3D0.66F3@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 926898593 14231 203.63.79.234 (16 May 1999 23:49:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 1999 23:49:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17419 sanford@monmouth.com wrote: > > > The high activity on May 7 was more likely caused by new forager bees > > flying in front of the hive to memorize its position without leaving it, > > especially if this was the first warm day after a longer period without > > flying conditions. > > Now they come and go and the activity seems lower, but in fact the bees > > are flying around and not up and down in front of the hive. These "play flights" are common among YOUNG "foragers". The have not yet progressed form house duties to field work. They are essentially learning how to fly and navigate. They fly around the entrance of the hive in large numbers for about an hour or so without appearing to do anything at all. They usually pick a day with good weather. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue May 18 05:51:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 2 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 05:54:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990505062637.13860.00000594@ng-ci1.aol.com> <3730a9cf.6d10@earthlink.net> <7hc8dr$6jm$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> To: Shelley Corbin X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 14 May 1999 09:55:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri May 14 03:05:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust15.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373BF2D4.158C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17420 Shelley Corbin wrote: > > jeez, i have been reading about all this stuff, (nosema, small hive, > mites, foulbrood, wax moths,) from books, going to bee school, and > reading these posts today, i am starting to have second thoughts about if > i can get these ladies alive. I love to fish and it never ceases to amaze my how much money folks spend on boats. Many times I say they have more money than sense because no one in their right mind would spend their last dime or go in hoc for the love of fishing in that magnitude. Well I being a beekeeper must have more money than sense. I have been known to spend my last few cents(thousands of dollars) to gather 400 lbs of honey. All of that to say, if you have the love of beekeeping and enough money you can keep them alive. Don From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue May 18 05:51:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 4 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:03:02 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Message-ID: References: <19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.b9 X-Server-Date: 17 May 1999 03:05:07 GMT Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-185.dnvr.grid.net!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17421 In article <19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > What is the Nasonov Gland ? > > Where is it located ? Damn... I'm lost on this one... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Tue May 18 05:51:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:17:45 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ho1pf$77o$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.12 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 926911087 7416 208.247.251.12 (17 May 1999 03:18:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 1999 03:18:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17422 Well... If there were fresh laid eggs in the comb from a previous queen, they might raise queens from them. (If he just killed off the old one and inserted the new...) Spook AL wrote in message news:373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net... Ralph Landry wrote: > ......The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I > inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get > out. Since I had to put it between two frames the workers had started > building comb next to the queen cage and was pretty big for 4 days. I > removed this comb as it was built on the edge of the frame since the > space was so large, but when I took it out there were two supersedure > cells on either side of the comb, why would this happen so soon? That > has me puzzled. Supersedure cells? You can't have new queen cells without a laying queen. Are you sure they are not drone cells? If in fact they are queen cells there must bee a queen loose in the pkg. AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue May 18 05:51:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 4 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:18:00 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.b9 X-Server-Date: 17 May 1999 03:20:06 GMT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-185.dnvr.grid.net!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17423 In article <19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > What is the Nasonov Gland ? > > Where is it located ? Hell, I'll take a guess: The Nasonov Gland is a unique part of the human anatomy that develops exclusively in males of Russian descent. Named after Russian distiller Vladimir Nasonov, and located just anterior to the bladder, the Nasonov Gland allows the bodies of men who have it to process enormous quantities of vodka in a short period of time. The Nasonov Gland is credited for numerous otherwise inexplicable moments in East-West relations over the years. The most memorable of these incidents occurred when Nikita Kruschev removed his shoe and, in a fit of rage, pounded a podium into submission during the Cold War. Interestingly, it was the lack of a Nasonov Gland, combined with an over abundance of Stolichyana on Air Force One, that caused former American President George Herbert Walker Bush to puke his guts out during a state dinner in Japan several years ago. Further, medical experts now believe that former President Ronald Wilson Reagan's unpredicatble and, at times, bizarre performance during two terms in office can be traced not to the early onset of Alzheimer's Disease, but, again, to a fondness for vodka and an underdeveloped Nasonov Gland. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Tue May 18 05:51:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What can you sell from a hive - and where? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:48:55 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: <373F5967.C3@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a3.3f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 17 May 1999 03:43:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17424 Ok, I know you can sell the honey and the wax - but now I hear fisherman love the larva of the wax worm moth and I hear people are even collecting and selling bee venom. If this is true, how and where? I am told there are groups buying wax worm moths - anyone care to comment? What else is there? From jeff1020@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liquid smoke Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 May 1999 03:40:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990516234015.11104.00001492@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17425 >I got my bottle of liquid smoker earlier this week. I went >into a few hives - moderate to weak - and it worked fairly >well. It didn't seem to harm the bees and the effect lasted >longer than regular smoke. The jury is still out but so far >I like it. I think it will be a great alternative during >the real dry weather as it is not a fire hazard. It >definately beats lighting a smoker just to peak into one >hive. It really has potential! > >I'll post some followups as things go along. Anyone else >try the stuff? > >Greg the beekeep Just tried the stuff today. It worked OK. I had some bees buzzing around me and the hive, I sprayed some Liquid Smoke in the air and they seemed to settle down.Think I like this more, no smoker to light, don't need to carry extra fuel, don't need to keep the smoker going. Jeffery E Reader Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 18 05:51:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:21:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <373F995D.6576@midwest.net> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net> <7ho1pf$77o$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.58 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 04:30:58 GMT X-Trace: 926915458.027.71 JF3D7GB4M1C3AD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17426 True, but when he says he just installed a new pkg it sounds like a start up hive with no drawn comb - so whats the answer Ralph??? AL Gerry Visel wrote: > > Well... > > If there were fresh laid eggs in the comb from a previous queen, they might > raise queens from them. (If he just killed off the old one and inserted the > new...) > > Spook > > AL wrote in message news:373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net... > Ralph Landry wrote: > > > > > ......The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I > > inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get > > out. Since I had to put it between two frames the workers had started > > building comb next to the queen cage and was pretty big for 4 days. I > > removed this comb as it was built on the edge of the frame since the > > space was so large, but when I took it out there were two supersedure > > cells on either side of the comb, why would this happen so soon? That > > has me puzzled. > > Supersedure cells? You can't have new queen cells without a laying > queen. Are you sure they are not drone cells? If in fact they are queen > cells there must bee a queen loose in the pkg. > > AL From abchome@webzone.net Tue May 18 05:51:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.134 Message-ID: <373FA368.1A149EE6@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen marking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:04:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 926917515 205.219.23.10 (Mon, 17 May 1999 00:05:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:05:15 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17427 I am looking for queen marking numbers, I have found some through Thorne company but would like to find some a little closer to the USA. Any help would be appreciated Donald From billyw9@bscn.com Tue May 18 05:51:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Billy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.60.211.48 Message-ID: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:20:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.60.208.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 926918454 216.60.208.5 (Sun, 16 May 1999 22:20:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:20:54 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17428 I assume that you are using a boardman type feeder, if there is no puddle on the ground or landing board around the feeder then yes they are taking in all the syrup. Put the feed to them, until the consumption drastically slows ( you'll know when ). at that time it will be safe to "ween" your bees. B. Whitener noSpambillyw9@bscn.com remove noSpam to reply From sball@saltspring.com Tue May 18 05:51:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <374046E6.3738@saltspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:42:14 -0700 From: stephen ball Reply-To: sball@saltspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee vacuum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.230 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.230 X-Trace: 17 May 1999 09:45:19 -0800, 204.244.138.230 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17429 could anyone direct towards plans for the much talked about vac..Is it as effective as described?Drawbacks? Thanks in advance stephen ball From PatronID@glaxowellcome.com Tue May 18 05:51:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!news@ussun2n.glaxo.com From: "Your Name" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories=My hat got stung ! Date: 17 May 1999 16:06:53 GMT Organization: Glaxo Wellcome Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bea07f$331e7f40$09993398@us0719484> References: <28219-37358DEE-12@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> <3735A83A.67DC2FD6@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.51.153.9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17430 > > Two honeybees were out for a flight one afternoon. As they passed over > > the heads of a group of people, one of the bees took a yarmulke out of > > its pocket and put it on its head. "Why did you do that?", asked the > > other bee. > > > > "I didn't want them to think I was a wasp.", said the first. Charles asked: > What's a yarmulke? That little beanie-looking cap, usually black, that Jewish men wear as a sign of respect in Temple and while praying. Also called a prayer cap. Laurie B Adams From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Tue May 18 05:51:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK supplier of Wired foundation Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:46:56 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 926967905 nnrp-01:29238 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17431 In article , Mike Reddy writes >Anyone know a good supplier of wired foundation: specifically jumbo brood >for langstroth? > >Mike > I get mine from : E.H Thorne (Beehives) Ltd. Beehive Works Wragby Market Rasen Lincoln LN8 5LA Tel: 01673 858555 Fax: 01673 857004 Email: Thorne@dial.pipex.com http://www.thorne.co.uk Its the same dimensions as M.D. deep foundation so it will cost you £10.84 (standard grade) or £13.57 (premier) per pack of 10 sheets. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue May 18 05:51:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:19:17 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7hpim5$ier@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo5-08.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 17 12:12:37 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17432 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: >Someone told me that I should use a 2-1 mix in the springs... is this 2 >parts sugar to one part water, or the opposite? >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford Opposite. The usual ratio is 2:1 water to sugar in the spring, and 1:1 water to sugar in the fall. Although it's not "gospel", a lot of beekeepers use those ratios. The thinner spring-time ratio is to more closely mimick a nectar flow, thereby spurring the bees to work on increasing their brood population. That way, when the _true_ spring flow hits you'll (hopefully) have a good population of bees ready to work it. The thicker fall ratio is so the bees (which you don't want to spur into brood rearing mode), will more easily (quickly) process the syrup down into honey stores for their winter survival. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From raghiot@ix.netcom.com Tue May 18 05:51:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: raghiot@ix.netcom.com (RAG) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:25:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca13-169.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 17 4:25:05 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17433 Original post: > After several years, I'm back with bees, albeit accidently. The CA > earthquake took out my three hives, and there was little time to worry > about them then. Seems like one of the trashed hives (I know, I > _should_ have burned them.) picked up a swarm several weeks ago and is > growing well from the looks of the traffic in and out, so I set it (a > full size hive, sans supers) back in place (really, leveled the blocks > in place, and cleared the flyway) and put a new, freshly framed full > size hive above it. What I would like to do is get the bees with > queen into the top unit and remove and destroy the lower which I am > sure has (at the very least) moths and other 'critters' and start > over. The condition of the old hive is such that it would result in > total destruction of the colony were I to try to remove the frames and > just transfer the bees. Thanks again for all the ideas, but even with turning the original hive over, baiting the top of the new frames with honey, and giving them time to adapt, they still prefer the trashed lower hive body. Some bees have gone to the top cover to investigate (and get away from the crowded lower area; they seem to be thriving quite well there ) They are really nice bees, not getting angry with all my disturbances so I'd like to keep them going. Would I accomplish anything by moving the bottom occupied hive to the top to make them move over and hrough the new frames to get to their main hive accomplish anything? Will they get so crowded below that they will move to the top frames and draw them out *before* the think about swarming? Where can I go from here? Thanks, Roger From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue May 18 05:51:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:28:42 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 85 Message-ID: <7hq4si$sv3@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 17 5:23:14 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17434 RAG wrote in: >Original post: >> After several years, I'm back with bees, albeit accidently. The CA >> earthquake took out my three hives, and there was little time to worry >> about them then. Seems like one of the trashed hives (I know, I >> _should_ have burned them.) picked up a swarm several weeks ago and is >> growing well from the looks of the traffic in and out, so I set it (a >> full size hive, sans supers) back in place (really, leveled the blocks >> in place, and cleared the flyway) and put a new, freshly framed full >> size hive above it. What I would like to do is get the bees with >> queen into the top unit and remove and destroy the lower which I am >> sure has (at the very least) moths and other 'critters' and start >> over. The condition of the old hive is such that it would result in >> total destruction of the colony were I to try to remove the frames and >> just transfer the bees. > > Thanks again for all the ideas, but even with turning the original >hive over, baiting the top of the new frames with honey, and giving >them time to adapt, they still prefer the trashed lower hive body. >Some bees have gone to the top cover to investigate (and get away from >the crowded lower area; they seem to be thriving quite well there ) >They are really nice bees, not getting angry with all my disturbances >so I'd like to keep them going. Would I accomplish anything by moving >the bottom occupied hive to the top to make them move over and hrough >the new frames to get to their main hive accomplish anything? Will >they get so crowded below that they will move to the top frames and >draw them out *before* the think about swarming? Where can I go from >here? Thanks, Roger Roger, have you tried the drumming trick I mentioned in the original post (attached below)? Apparently this technique was used quite a bit when wild colonies in bee trees were found (or "lined") and the beekeeper wanted to capture the colony and take it back to his bee yard. Since you mentioned the hive parts (frames?) were in such poor shape and probably wouldn't survive being removed from the super, that's the only other way I know of. If the frames could be removed, you could set the old hive aside and with a new hive in place and shake/brush all the bees off the frames into the new hive. Once this was done, put the queen excluder on top of the new brood super and put the old brood super on top and cover. That would allow them to take care of the brood in the old frames until they emerged. Three weeks later you could return and them collect the old frames (which should be clear of brood), break up the combs and place them in an empty super over the inner cover as mentioned for clearing of any remaining honey. <-----Start Reply Post-----> One suggestion (and I'm sure you'll get many) is to use an "old-fashion" technique called "drumming", used to move bees out of a section of hollow tree or gum hive into a modern super (back when wild colonies were more plentiful and gum hives were used). With the new hive body (with covers) on top of the old one, drum or beat rhythmically on the bottom super at about 40-60 beats per minute. The raps don't have to be hard, just steady. Keep this up for about 20 minutes or so. The bees aren't supposed to mind the rythmic thumps so you won't have to use smoke (which would keep them in the lower super gorging on honey longer than necessary). Once the bees have moved up into the upper super, lift it off and put a queen excluder on top the old super and put the new one back on top. This will allow the house bees to go back down and care for the brood until they all hatch. Allow for an entrance in the upper super to allow drones to escape or they'll die and clog up your queen excluder. Check the top super in a few days and inspect for eggs/larva. If you've got them there, the queen moved up with the bees and you're set. Otherwise you'll have to repeat the drumming process (remove the queen excluder again first). Three to four weeks later you can return and the bottom super, having no brood left in the combs, can be removed along with the queen excluder. Once you've verified the old comb didn't harbor AFB, you can put an empty super (sans frames) on top of the inner cover and break up the comb containing honey around the inner cover hole. With the outer cover tightly in place, the bees will go up and gather the honey. The old wax can be retrieved when they are through. <----End Reply Post-----> --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From johnbkpr@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: johnbkpr@aol.com (JOHNBKPR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fayettville, N.C. Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 May 1999 21:05:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990517170528.05231.00001914@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17435 Anyone know of a beekeeper in the Fayettville area. I'll be their on vacation in June. John N. Smithfield, RI From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 18 05:51:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liquid smoke Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:35:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7hq6n7$la0$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990516234015.11104.00001492@ng-fr1.aol.com> <373FEBF0.2CBF@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17436 David Smith wrote: >Can you give us an idea of the mixture? No because you buy it premixed. I guess it has liquid smoke like you bbq with and some kind of mint extract. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From lauramleek@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 01:04:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990517210408.19943.00001754@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17437 If it were me..... You said you already have one hole used by a leafcutter right? I would take out a set of drill bits and find the drill bit that fit the hole being used and then you would know. Laura From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Tue May 18 05:51:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Required Space Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:04:55 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <926573810.597.12@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Dave Kern In-Reply-To: <926573810.597.12@news.remarQ.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17438 On Wed, 12 May 1999, Dave Kern wrote: > Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:37:45 -0700 > From: Dave Kern > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Required Space > > I own about 2.5 acres in Southern California that has a small avocado grove > on it along with our house. I am considering getting bees as a hobby and to > help with the trees. But, with that said, I also have two small children. > How much space is required to have bees? If I put the hive down in the > grove will they do their thing and pretty much leave us alone? Don't get me > wrong about not wanting them around, I just want to enjoy out doors without > the fear of our kids getting stung. Safety, Safety! With that said I am > excited at the prospect of bees. Does anyone know of good bee equipment, > etc. in San Diego County? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave > I started keeping bees in Dallas on residential lots, with 3 and 4 children. Kids are like dogs--they soon learn where it's safe to play and where the traffic patterns are. my kids played on swing sets in small back yard with 3 hives about 15 feet away. that is, when they weren't hunkered down next to the front porch of the hive watching bees come and go, especially the youngest, who never knew of a time when I did not have bees. if you show no fear, they won't think about it. unless you have a severe allergic reaction develop in one of them, not to worry. Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Tue May 18 05:51:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990516085847.05223.00001168@ng-fs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:23:41 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 926984992 24.93.149.35 (Mon, 17 May 1999 16:49:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:49:52 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17439 Red Maple here in So. Maine. From Me@home.com Tue May 18 05:51:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp hives Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:41:00 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7hqgsl$iqg$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <373250D7.81E631E3@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.17.98 X-Server-Date: 18 May 1999 01:48:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17440 ....Also of note: paper wasp queens will group to produce one nest to ensure survival. To find useful information on the web use the following search string: "wasp AND hornets" , just using "wasps" alone will give you sports information. When searching thru the URL's look for .edu domains. These are colleges/universities offering information to the public, generally, they give a complete description of the social behavior. here's on to get you started: http://ohioline.ag.ohio-state.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2077.html -Steve From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue May 18 05:51:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 02:59:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17441 Hi Charles. I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. jm From cb@ndirect.co.uk Tue May 18 05:51:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cb@ndirect.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A bee myth? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:03:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7h63sj$lht$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.7.227.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 10 08:03:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 s2.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.7.227.183 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17442 I read this in a novel recently: If some tasty goodies are moored out in a lake, some stray bees may come and sample them but when they return to the hive and do their dance the hive will ignore their instructions as it 'knows' there's nothing out there but water. Is this true or just a Modern Myth? -- Regards, Chris Boyce --------------------- ET Presence: http://www.et-presence.ndirect.co.uk -- Regards, Chris Boyce --------------------- ET Presence: http://www.et-presence.ndirect.co.uk HOGMANA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue May 18 05:51:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:21:26 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 72 Message-ID: <3740CEA6.E4F85D14@valley.net> References: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17443 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > Someone told me that I should use a 2-1 mix in the springs... is this 2 > parts sugar to one part water, or the opposite? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com greetings, there are, i am sure, a number of different ideas on this subject, but just about every source i've read cites the 'generally accepted' ratios as 1:1 in the spring and a more concentrated 2:1 sugar to water mixture in the fall, the former to mimic the spring flow and the latter to allow for quicker evaporation and capping of the honey as the season winds down. for example, from Roger Morse' "The New Complete Guide to Beekeeping", 1994, page 106, "When bees store nectar as honey, they remove moisture from it. Because bees will also remove water from syrup that is fed for winter, it should be more concentrated than that which is used for spring feeding. In the fall, the syrup is made with two parts sugar to one part water; in the spring, the mixture is made one to one by weight or volume." i believe the mannlake website lists a 1:2 sugar to water ratio to simulate a 'light nectar flow.' but, even they recommend a 2:1 sugar to water ratio in the fall and 1:1 in the spring [don't know when you're supposed to squeeze in the 1:2 ratio, and 3 mixtures just seems too complicated, anyway.] 1:1 or 1:2 sugar to water in the spring probably doesn't matter much [although George Imirie in his articles over at midnite bee is pretty adamant about 1:1 in the spring], but 1:1 in the fall instead of 2:1 might be too watery for effective evaporation depending on the local weather, which could lead to problems in the hive [although the same George Imirie in those same articles over at midnite bee says to use 1:1 through september.] i am sure that others can cite many sources that recommend 2:1 in the spring. it is, i think, more a matter of what works best for you and, more importantly, your bees. a more dilute mixture in the spring just means that they'll have to fill more cells and evaporate off more water to get the same amount of food as from a more concentrated mixture. but, since it is a less desirable blend, they might give it up sooner and move on to natural nectar sources. having said all that, and as i've mentioned in an earlier post on a different thread, i use a 2:1 sugar to water ratio in spring and fall for my own, twisted reasons, and the bees seem to like it fine. but, if you're looking to follow conventional wisdom, consider using 1:1 in the spring and more concentrated 2:1 in the fall. hope this helps, bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From p.mizen@rfi-shielding.com Tue May 18 17:06:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Philip Mizen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:33:14 +0100 Message-ID: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk:194.222.195.35 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 927013036 nnrp-12:19970 NO-IDENT rfi-shielding.demon.co.uk:194.222.195.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17444 John People like Kevin Johnson usually have the answers to your kind of question..and I'm sure that others subscribing to the group are interested by his reply. Of course you should have books, and you probably have, but I am getting fed up by this constant sniping at newbies. I think that we should be encouraging questions like yours rather than making inexperienced beekeepers feel embarrassed about posting a query. Keep on asking John - I'm sure that there will always be someone out there that doesn't have complete intolerance of you, willing to share the benefit of their wisdom (the anomaly is that Kevin does this, but always gets on his soapbox about how uneducated we all are). This should be an area where anything Beekeeping goes, if the "elite" want a different forum in which to expand their (apparently) superior minds perhaps they should set-up another group. Anyway, who is to say what a dumb question is? Regards Phil Mizen John A. Taylor wrote in message news:37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net... > Yesterday I was checking on one of my hives and noticed an odd noise. I > wasn't sure if it was coming from my bees, or somewhere outside the > hive. > > A few moments later, I spotted the queen, and noticed that the noise > occured each time she stopped moving about on the frame, and the > fluctuation of the noise corresponded exactly with the movements of her > abdomen. > > The noise was a sort of high-pitched chirp. > > I observed this for several minutes, and am fairly certain the noise was > coming from the queen. > > Has anyone else observed this, or heard of it? > From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 18 17:06:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 10:16:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17445 >expand their (apparently) superior minds perhaps they should set-up another >group. Anyway, who is to say what a dumb question is? > >Regards > >Phil Mizen It's very simple... The only dumb question is the one that isn't asked. No one should hesitate to ask anything. My suggestion to buy a book was nothing more than that. The queen trait of " piping " is covered in almost every book that i know of i figured he might wanna know more. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From machai@mweb.co.za Tue May 18 17:06:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Nathan Emery" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373FA368.1A149EE6@webzone.net> Subject: Beekeeping in Lesotho Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:46:40 +0200 Lines: 60 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts-blm-01-17.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <37411a4f.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 18 May 1999 09:44:15 +0200, ts-blm-01-17.mweb.co.za Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!ts-blm-01-17.mweb.co.za Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17446 >Where is Lesotho you ask? Well, Lesotho is a small mountainous country (all above 5,000 Ft.) totally surrounded by South Africa, exactly in the heart of the larger country. It is an autonomous country and kingdom, contrary to popular belief. Beekeeping in Lesotho has a history only for honey gatherers, not as husbandry. The Basotho (people of Lesotho) did respect the ferral colonies though and believed one on their property was a gift from the ancestors. Honey was used for medicinal purposes and wax to ward off evil spirits. In 1989 the poorest of the poor were introduced to beekeeping for poverty alleviation by an international funding body and through the department of forestry and agriculture. This project continued until 1998, when over 100 farmers were tending and benefiting from keeping bees (this is quite successful considering the limited resources of both the project and the farmers, and the fact that this was a totally new husbandry practice). Today as I write this the government of Lesotho and the Department of Livestock are currently initiating a privatization of services project and due to my own luck of happening to be working on the project (but on differnt project), bees were included as one of the project profiles for consideration. With this news I quickly informed the only other skilled beekeeper, the country apiary extension officer, and we began organizing ourselves. In order to do the project correctly we felt that we needed to involve a whole range of players (us as the transport, inspection, extraction and all the other business aspects, people to make supers, frames, stands and covers, Non-governmental organizations to reach more and more farmers and to organize workshops, the local agriculture college to do research and training, etc...). Lesotho has the potential for perhaps 20,000 hives or more (in a land area equivalent to Maryland but only half the country at best used as the elevations in the highlands reach 11,000 feet). Through radio programs and aggressive extension and workshops as well as instant remuneration as incentive for farmers, we feel the number of hives can increase dramatically, and thus the output of the country. This way also ensures that many people benefit from the project. Our goal is to put Lesotho on the honey producers map and do it with a conscience. We also want to continue research into the African bee, as the large producers in S. Africa simply tend without much management; for instance they do not worry about absconding, which these bees are extremely prone to do upon hiving a ferral colony (which is how you do it here). We want to raise queens(african) to immediatly replace upon hiving to curb this practice. Any information or assistance to our cause is greatly appreciated and you can reach us at Machai@mweb.co.za . One thing we are lookin toward in the future is to bring a Apitherapist to Lesotho for a workshop with the traditional healers and medicine men, in order to introduce the practice here. Anyone interested in a beautiful African vacation of a lifetime? My name is Nathan and I have adopted Lesotho as my home (my wife is from here), my partner is Mahalefele and our proposed company is the Lesotho Bee Products Co., thanks for listening to this rambling, electric entry Nathan From adamf@vt.edu Tue May 18 17:06:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RFI Small hive beetle Date: 10 May 1999 06:05:33 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7h5svd$7e5$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7h4tig$717$1@News.Dal.Ca> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17447 In article <7h4tig$717$1@News.Dal.Ca>, Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> wrote: >Hi folks, > >Fellow german beekeepers asked me if I can provide information about the >small hive beetle. >I screened the WWW and found a lot of information. >However, most of the pages deal with the situation in 1998. What is >going on in the 1999 season? What is the current distribution range of >the beetle in the USA? Anecdotal reports from reputable beekeepers show that the beetle is more of a honey house management problem (hygiene) than any other. I heard from VA that it was found in New Jersey, That's the most information I've heard. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue May 18 17:06:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:32:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 17 12:25:43 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17448 Charles, One thing I forgot to add... When hiving a new colony of bees from package or swarm into a super of foundation (not drawn comb), I like to give them a 1:1 ratio of sugar to water. I feel (personal opinion) that this thicker syrup will enable them to more quickly process and digest the stores they need to draw the foundation into comb. And... since it's foundation they're working on, the quicker they draw it out to sufficient depth so the queen can start laying, the better. You'll notice that the cells may not be drawn out even near to "full depth" before the queen starts laying in them. The bees will build them out in time for the larvae to pupate, but the quicker I can get them there the better! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue May 18 17:06:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 13:50:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990518095000.02900.00002035@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17449 There was added to the dictionary recently a new word called "Aliterate" and it refers to the person who is quite capable of reading yet too lazy to do so. I wonder if spoon feeding a skill is really a god way to learn or to learn to learn. While I also encourage new and old alike to ask questions and to question the books because we all know theres a lot of bum dope out there, I don't hesitate to tell someone LOOK IT UP either. By accident they may learn a few things they wern't looking for. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From cde049@airmail.net Tue May 18 17:06:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.kiva.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:27:26 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7hrtgd$ksd@library.airnews.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue May 18 09:29:33 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`P((1k-VKPPMR( (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17450 While reading in one of my many books on how to preserve hive bodies and remove propolis I noticed a recommendation to soak hives in boiling Paraffin. Has anyone done this? Has anyone done this and lived? I thought that heating paraffin was extremely dangerous and explosive? But it must be O.K. because it was in the Beekeepers handbook a HIGHLY regarded book of this list. Cliff >Scrape, Scrape, Scrape.... >Or dunk everything in Hot Lye- Water (I think Mr. Johnson gave his recipie a >while back- a can af lye in a barrel of water, I think, but you better check >that out...) From mike@cognant.demon.co.uk Tue May 18 17:06:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.159.255.21!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cognant.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mike Rowbottom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Courses in Harrogate, UK Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:52:11 +0100 Message-ID: <927046365.7913.1.nnrp-11.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 927046365 nnrp-11:7913 NO-IDENT cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17451 Harrogate and Ripon Beekeepers Association are running two Beekeeping courses in the summer of 1999: 1) Eight Week Hands-on Practical Course. This course is aimed at complete beginners or beekeepers with limited experience. The course will provide hands on experience of working with bees, under experienced and qualified supervision.At the end of the course the members will be supplied with a small nucleus colony of bees. The course will commence on Monday 7th June 1999, and is based at the Association Apiary located in the Harlow Carr Horticultural Society Gardens close to Harrogate, North Yorkshire in the UK. The fee for this course is 25 UK pounds. 2) Weekend Beekeeping Course This is a two day course covering theoretical and practical aspects of Beekeeping. It is to be held on Saturday 31st July and Sunday 1st August 1999. The location is as for the eight week course above. The cost of the course, including meals and a Barbeque on the saturday evening is 30 UK pounds. Accommodation can be arranged at modest cost. For further details about these courses please contact : John Annett Telephone 01423 872715 or Mike Rowbottom Telephone 01423 507236 e-mail mike@cognant.com From jajwuth@aol.com Tue May 18 17:06:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-reference material Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 15:38:30 GMT References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990518113830.05086.00002885@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17452 In some of the web sites you see references to beekeeping magazine articles about Top Bar Hives. My question is how do you find the back issues? Most libraries don't subscribe to these magazines even the university library doesn't have these magazines. I also notice some of beekeeping books are not at the libraries. Jajwuth From adamf@vt.edu Tue May 18 17:06:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: 18 May 1999 13:12:02 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7hrov2$ekd$1@golux.radix.net> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a2.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17453 In article <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>Yesterday I was checking on one of my hives and noticed an odd noise. I >>wasn't sure if it was coming from my bees, or somewhere outside the >>hive. >This is the sound a queen makes to get the other queens ,,still inside their >cells to click like her so she can kill them. This is a fascinating aspect of honey bee biology and perhaps one of the most enigmatic and convoluted areas in evolutionary biology. SO, since I'm supposed to be writing a draft for a journal article, instead I'll yammer forth for a minute... If you believe in natural selection, you'll agree that the struggle for success, as the fittest, is the main theme. Okay, well then how does one explain worker bees? Sterile castes? Darwin knew this hurt his theory of "descent with modification" so he proposed that in eusocial insects, there was a higher level of selection--a group selection, that natural selection could act upon. Thus, rather than the individual bees competing with others, it was hive against hive. Same idea, different *unit*. Others agree or disagree with Darwin's hypothesis, and many rich pages and thoughts in evolutionary biology are devoted toward levels of selection and honey bees. The latest and popular selectionist concept with honey bees is kin selection, yet researcher have empirical data showing how honey bees have trouble recognizing their kin, and thus there is not an answer as to what level of selection takes place in a colony of eusocial insects. Other scientists think that selection may occur on several levels simultaneously. I agree with this. Group, kin and individual selection are all illustrated in the year's cycle of _Apis mellifera_. Swarming is the time where all three can be observed. Swarming is a selectionist pageant! So where does queen piping fit into this? Well queens or virgin queens only pipe when there are other virgins being held in cells. Held. Yes. By workers. Why is this? Ahhhhh. Perhaps it's the several levels of selection driving this behavior. Rather than kill all the other virgins, (which would be simple) piping causes them to remain in their cells, until the piping virgin leaves with an after-swarm or cast. Then, the workers will allow another virgin or several virgins out, either to pipe again, if it's one or to fight if it's several. The amount of sealed brood usually determines how many after-swarms there are (more sealed brood, more after-swarms). (Winston, 1987). Piping ostensibly originates from the workers. Their behavior toward the virgin queen (dorsoventral vibration) causes her to pipe. So who's running the show here? The virgin, or the workers? Why do some workers leave with the mated queen, and some stay with the virgins? How is this determined? Or, is it random? Do some colonies pipe more than others? Do some colonies make "small virgin swarms" and others make "large virgin/multi cast swarm/piping in swarmed colonies? Who knows. Piping, virgin/virgin conflict and the inherent selective forces that drive these aspects of _Apis mellifera_ biology, certainly keep me going back to the bee yard. Adam Winston, Mark L.,1987. _The Biology of the Honey Bee_. Harvard University Press, USA. ISBN 0-674-07409-2 -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From beetools@aol.com Tue May 18 17:06:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.ecn.ou.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: suggestions for rebuild Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 17:39:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990518133953.24410.00002035@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17454 The concept of drumming has no scientific basis in fact (or and data to support it that I can find). Drumming around a swarm is one of those interesting "old wives tales" now built into beekeeping folklore. The source come from 9th Cnetury English law. Beekeeping peasants were so important, since bees with the only source for "sweetness and light" (honey and beeswax) that they were the only peasents allowed to "own" livestock. To "keep" thier livestock, they were allowed to cross property boundries unhindered to follow a swarm IF they were proceeeded by a person beating a drum to announce their presents and that they were not poachers. I still get a kick out of watching a oldtimer beat a box or pan to settle a swarm. Most of them have no rhythm at all... Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From shuston@riverace.com Tue May 18 17:06:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Required Space Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:15:35 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 33 Message-ID: <37417607.B65245F9@riverace.com> References: <926573810.597.12@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 18 May 1999 14:15:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17455 I have .5 acre lot in a residential section of town - about half my lot is trees, and I have 2 hives just in the wooded part, on top of a little rise. There is brush around, and so when the bees come out, they have to go up to get over the brush - combined with the rise, they're way over our heads no matter where they go foraging. No problems so far... Make them fly up close to the hive and that cuts way down on kid-level bee traffic. Make sure the bees don't find their water source in your kiddies' pool, and you're all set. -Steve Dave Kern wrote: > > I own about 2.5 acres in Southern California that has a small avocado grove > on it along with our house. I am considering getting bees as a hobby and to > help with the trees. But, with that said, I also have two small children. > How much space is required to have bees? If I put the hive down in the > grove will they do their thing and pretty much leave us alone? Don't get me > wrong about not wanting them around, I just want to enjoy out doors without > the fear of our kids getting stung. Safety, Safety! With that said I am > excited at the prospect of bees. Does anyone know of good bee equipment, > etc. in San Diego County? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dave -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From npatt@snet.net Tue May 18 17:06:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need super plans Date: 18 May 1999 16:37:58 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7hs516$t1t@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh2-port146.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17456 What are the plans demensions and types of wood I need to make my own deep supers and shallow supers? Norm npatt@snet.net From npatt@snet.net Tue May 18 17:06:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extraction w/out extractor question Date: 18 May 1999 16:36:50 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7hs4v2$t1t@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh2-port146.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17457 How can I extract honey from shallow supers without going to all the expense of buying an extractor? Norm npatt@snet.net From adamf@vt.edu Tue May 18 17:06:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Records Date: 18 May 1999 14:53:43 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7hrutn$eut$1@golux.radix.net> References: <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default> <19990515151159.17929.00001742@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a2.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17458 In article <19990515151159.17929.00001742@ngol07.aol.com>, BobPursley wrote: >Dr CC Millers book is great on this, as I recall, each visit he > >recorded hive number, weight, number frames brood, amount of honey removed, >condition of stores, queen status( including if he added a cell, or killed q), >any disease treatment or need for, queen cells, that is all I remember, you >need his book. We've adapted the yard records and queen records example from Laidlaw's book _Contemporary Queen Rearing_. However, since you always end up doing something that isn't routine, a small notebook is nice to jot down little notes which you can then condense into practical tasks once home or wherever. We end up with four or five little books by the end of the year. The spreadsheet record format is nice because you can print it out, and analyze it quantitatively if you've set it up to take numerical data. I'm sure some of the honey bee management binaries archived 'round the net have a management template one could adapt. I was over at a neighbor's house last night dropping off a queen (he's a Maryland State bee inspector, and beekeeper too) as he's making nucs for people, and I noticed a waiting nuc with a year's diary of management written very beautifully on the front of the hive. It was neat to read. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From beetools@aol.com Tue May 18 17:06:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 17:26:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990518132617.24410.00002034@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17459 It is 1:1 in Spring and 2:1 for Fall/Winter feeding. And the ratios are by weight. This is not rocket science and you only need to be close. Here are a few micing ratios for a 1:1 syrup for hobbyist: 7 cups of water to 11 cups of sugar 25# bag of sugar in a five-gallon bucket - add water to make five gallons. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From adamf@vt.edu Fri May 21 08:12:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 18 May 1999 13:35:42 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7hrqbe$ena$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a2.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17460 In article <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Allen Dick wrote: > >I know we got the cells into the brood area of large splits (6 to 9 >frame with 3 to 5 frames of brood. I'm not too worried about the ripe >ones, but am sweating about the younger ones. > >Any thoughts? Anyone? Hello Allen, that's alot of cells! Since that conversation with M. Griffes, I've been putting cells out later in their development time, and also been trying to carefully place them where I can hope the cluster will envelop them during cold weather. I think if your nucs are strong enough and you have placed the cells in the right area (I'm sure you have) they will develop normally. Funny, as I write this, you've probably already seen how they came out--please let us know. A related note: my first big graft of the year here and the cells took almost 18 days to emerge. Since then they've been coming regularly on the 16th day. I surmise the cooler weather during that first placement of cells into nucs slowed the virgins' physiological processes down in pupation before eclosion. (Eclosion = when pupa becomes an adult.) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From laureledwards@hotmail.com Fri May 21 08:12:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Baygirl" Subject: Looking For Package Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3of1-m41.ez-net.com/205.243.220.241 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:19:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.203 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 927065994 216.200.3.203 (Tue, 18 May 1999 15:19:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:19:54 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17461 I live in NE Wisconsin - Temps still average 65 degrees. Looking for someone or someplace selling package bees from an area not too HOT, so I can get them in good condition - ALIVE! -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:12:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:18:46 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7hsok3$6ag@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990518133953.24410.00002035@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo6-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 18 5:12:19 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17462 What you're talking about Ron, is "tinning", NOT drumming. The old act of banging on a tin pot (hence the name "tinning") to bring a flying swarm down to earth IS an old wivestale, however the act of "drumming" a *hive* (read established) of bees upward out of an old "gum hive" (section of gum tree) into a super IS NOT (which is similar to what Roger is needing to do). Find and old Appalacian beekeeper that kept gum hives and ask him. As I mentioned, I have never personally drummed bees so I don't know how quickly it would take, but I DO own books that reference the act (or "art" as some old-time beekeepers may call it) of DRUMMING, and they mention it would take about 20 minutes or so. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - Beetools wrote: >The concept of drumming has no scientific basis in fact (or and data to support >it that I can find). Drumming around a swarm is one of those interesting "old >wives tales" now built into beekeeping folklore. > >I still get a kick out of watching a oldtimer beat a box or pan to settle a >swarm. Most of them have no rhythm at all... > >Ron Bennett From michel_crichton@mitel.com Fri May 21 08:12:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!nr.dist.news.psi.net!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weak hive. Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <6uk03.437$RU.3327787@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:56:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:56:34 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17463 Hi all, Two of my hives are exhibiting some strange behaviour. One of them is a hive I formed from a swarm last year. It did not fair so well over the winter and when I checked them last, activity was concentrated mainly in about 3 frames of the brood box. The population is low but there is some seemingly healthy brood, albeit not too much. The thing that worries me is that in some of the unused frames with comb there are still some dead bees that must have died over the winter. They are stuck head first in the comb so that just their rear ends are sticking out. Could this be a disease of some sort or is the population simply too low to do basic house keeping? In the second "problem" hive, the population seems strong but I noticed that there was not much external activity. Upon further inspection I noticed that there is very few brood (even though as I said the population is quite high). Also there doesn't seem to be an overpopulation of drones so I doubt that the queen is only laying drones. Could the queen have died suddenly? Will they build a supercedure cell on their own if she did or do I have to put a queen in myself? Should I just wait a few days and see? Also I was thinking of uniting these two hive (if I can determine that the weak hive is not diseased). The book I was reading suggests a newspaper method where you seperate the uniting brood boxes by a piece of newspaper and while the bees are "getting use" to each others pheremones etc. they chew through the paper on their own. The book however is unclear whether or not I am to kill one of the queens. Will they decide which one is stronger on their own? Is this even a widely accepted method of uniting colonies? Is it a good idea for me to be considering this course of action? Sorry about the long post but I am a little uncertain about how to proceed >from here. Any help with any aspect of this situation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mich From markm@ntplx.net Fri May 21 08:12:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: markm@ntplx.net (mski) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: shoud I remove queen cells? Message-ID: <3741cfb8.34866864@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:58:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.189.98 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 927061118 204.213.189.98 (Tue, 18 May 1999 16:58:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:58:38 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17464 I've started my first two hives about 6 weeks ago. They came via nukes, Four frames which were wintered with the queen from Vermont. I check once a week for progress, to see how quickly they are filling the foundations. To me, they seem to be making really slow progress. At the end of the first six weeks, one hive has completed only one (two sides) foundation, while the other made about 2 1/2 . The man whom I received the bees, suggested that I replace a foundation of capped brood from my strong hive with a empty foundation >from my week hive. (Making sure I didn't move the queen with it) I've noticed before this time 4 or 5 peanut shaped queen cell at the very bottom of my strong hive. My weak hive also has 4 or 5 queen cells at the bottom, plus 6 or 7 cells which have been converted from drone or worker cells. When I told him of this, he suggested that as long as I see eggs in the cells, I should remove the queen cells. (since he felt that they were ready to swarm) Unfortunately, either I my vision is horrible or I just can't see the eggs. I did see however 5 to 8 day old larvae in both hives. I removed the queen cells from my stronger hive, but left them, for now, in my weak hive. Thinking maybe that the queen may not be laying sufficiently. My questions are....Are my bees working slower than normal for my Connecticut location? and.. What should I do about the queen cells? Does it seem apparent that they are going to swarm? I'm still waiting for beekeeping to get easier, Mark From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Fri May 21 08:12:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need super plans Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:31:58 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7hsotd$b9t@news1.snet.net> References: <7hs516$t1t@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh4-port203.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17465 npatt@snet.net wrote in message <7hs516$t1t@news1.snet.net>... >What are the plans demensions and types of wood I need to make my own deep supers and shallow supers? > >Norm >npatt@snet.net Hi Norm, Check out http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html for plans for building hive bodies and frames (and other cool stuff) In response to your other post (how to extract without an extractor) you have several excellent options. 1)(My preference) Start out raising cut comb honey instead of extracted - Taylor has an excellent article in (I think) May 99 "Bee Culture". Basically you just use unwired foundation (or wax strips), cut the whole comb out, and sell at the end of the season. It fetches a higher price, makes a more impressive gift, and requires less equipment. 2)Share / rent / send out to an extractor - With a SNET.NET account I assume you are in CT. Candlewood Valley Apairy in New Milford CT will extract your hives for you for a fee, I'm sure there are other places too. CT also has the Back Yard Beekeeper's Association ( http://www.fairfieldweb.com/byba/ ) they might have members who would let you use their extractory in exchange for some labor at extraction time. 3)Drip method - uncap the cells and suspend over a pan overnight. Use a sharp heavy knife heated in boiling water and quickly dried to uncap, or a caping scratcher. This is slow process, but if you only have a hive or 2 it's not bad. 4)Crushed comb - cut it out (don't use wired or Duragilt foundation) and crush the comb. Let it drip in a bag overnight. This is not very efficient because it costs the bees 1000 grams of honey and an unknown amount of pollen to make 60 grams of wax. Unless you want lots of wax and don't care about how much honey you get, this method is the least efficient. Good luck Robert From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri May 21 08:12:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new keeper Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 07:10:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990516031038.03710.00001049@ng153.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17466 Yeah, I guess it was pretty absurd. Now that Ithink about it, it sounds like a set-up. Got a rise out of me though. Yuck, yuck, jm From h.tait@home.com Fri May 21 08:12:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <926574431.584.31@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: Space Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <6Yv%2.16214$1D5.31845@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:10:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 926845826 24.65.109.178 (Sun, 16 May 1999 02:10:26 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 02:10:26 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17467 I also have two small children. > How much space is required to have bees? If I put the hive down in the > grove will they do their thing and pretty much leave us alone? Don't get me > wrong about not wanting them around, I just want to enjoy out doors without > the fear of our kids getting stung. Safety, Safety Dave I have had hives in my backyard ( for raising queens ) for 6 years. I have two young boys , now 5 and 9 who play continually in the backyard with their friends. They have kicked balls into the hive ( by accendent ) and no stings have resulted except for the time my youngest picked up a bee to return to the hive, because he felt it was lost. His feelings were more hurt than him. Bees that fall within the normal range of behaviour should not be a problem. If they do ever become cranky, simply requeen with gentle stock. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:12:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373C2ED7.29E2@mindspring.com> <19990514152729.05226.00000484@ng-fs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:14:53 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926848499 209.69.69.142 (Sun, 16 May 1999 04:54:59 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:54:59 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17468 Re Carpenter Bee Drones I finally got to see one of these big boys! I was at a friends house when I saw what i thought was a big black bumble beee hovering near the Lilacs- after watching it come back to the same spot I finally realized what it must be! My friend Cathy, Her daughter and I watched the air show, and tossed pebbles for him to chase- It was indeed qiite a show! Now my question... I have large bumblebee like bees going in and out of some old railing holes in my front porch. The holes appear to be close to 1/2 inch across- They are big bees! Are these the carpenter bee females??? From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:12:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> <19990514131232.08346.00002037@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive-How much Honey? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:28:06 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926848500 209.69.69.142 (Sun, 16 May 1999 04:55:00 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:55:00 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17469 I built a TBH last season- A box as large as three langstroth bodies places side by side. Put a small split in it, (three Langstroth frames w bees &brood in May) and by the end of the season they had built about 20 nice big combs of honey. (It was not a very good year for honey, and I think they out-built my Langstroth colonies.) I left all of the honey for them last winter- I wasn't sure how much they would need for the winter, and I leave this much honey for my langstroth hives. (Michigan) They wintered successfully, in a pretty small cluster, (3-4 frames) and used up only about 5-6 combs off honey. (However last winter was NOT typical for Michigan- I think we got a lot more warm spells.) The biggest problem I had was when I went to check them in the spring, the unreinforced combs broke in the stiff breeze when I lifted them to inspect them. I lost 3 or four of my best brood combs, even though I was being careful- fortunately they were empty, because the bees had moved over to other combs. I could have probably harvested 4-5 combs (Langstroth frame sized) without leaving them short of stores. This year, with comb already built, I hope they do better! From mulde023@wxs.nl Fri May 21 08:13:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!surfnet.nl!surfnet.nl!gate.news.unisource.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail From: Mulders Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: italian bees Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:20:42 +0200 Organization: World Access Lines: 4 Message-ID: <373E9BFA.3E67@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mulde023@wxs.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: dv0119-2.dial.wxs.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader.wxs.nl 926850121 14545 195.121.146.119 (16 May 1999 10:22:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wxs.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 1999 10:22:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-WXS-32 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17470 In the past the Italian bee was exported into the new world, I think this bee is nowadays selected for several demands. Is there anybody who can tell me, if it is possible to try some experiments with those bee here in Holland? From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Let's Take a Test # 3 Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 11:15:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373b7d92.11868824@news.usit.net> Message-ID: <19990516071531.23712.00001073@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17471 >>Length of time that it takes the following to go from egg to Bee. >> >>Queen ? 16 days >> >>Drone ? 24 days >> >>Worker ? 21 days > > You all did very well on ? number 3 !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lets Take a Test # 4 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 11:23:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17472 What is the Nasonov Gland ? Where is it located ? Clue : ( fanning ) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:13:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Blonde Bees Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:39:24 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926858143 209.69.69.105 (Sun, 16 May 1999 07:35:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 07:35:43 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17473 I'm seeing Blone Bees mixed in with the others in one of my hives! The queen was naturally mated last summer (August/ Sept) and up to now all the bees have been leatery to dark colored. Suddenly I am seein young, Blonde colored bees. Their legs and other chitenous areas are a blonish carmel color instead of brown or black, and the bansing on their abdomens is very faint- sort of caramel and honey colored. (Very Pretty looking in the midst of their dark sisters) So far only about 10-20% of the bees are Blonde. Could this be Cordovan genes coming out? I thought cordovans were red colored? Any theories? Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:13:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 4 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:41:52 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926858290 209.69.69.105 (Sun, 16 May 1999 07:38:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 07:38:10 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17474 A scent producing glant that the bees expose when they want to attract other bees. (Like when a swarm is entering a new hive) The scent produced is supposed to be fruity. The gland is near the end of the abdomen, just above the stinger- they expose it by bending down the tip of the abdomen while they fan. Ellen Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990516072349.23712.00001074@ng-ci1.aol.com... > What is the Nasonov Gland ? > > Where is it located ? > > > Clue : ( fanning ) > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 21 08:13:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee question . . . Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 12:54:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hhn49$6vj@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990516085447.05223.00001165@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17475 >Reader's Digest manual of home repair reccomends >killing the bees and filling the holes with epoxy immediately to prevent >damage to buildings. They supported the cold war and voted for Nixon too. If ya can live with the carpenter bees let em be. A good coat of paint will usually prevent them from drilling. However a Long Island paint contractors two coat paint job entails I moved the brush to the left and right I moved the brush up and down -two coats- maybe not. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 21 08:13:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Northeast Red Pollen Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 12:58:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990516085847.05223.00001168@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17476 Anyone know what the bright red pollen is this time of year in RI CT NY area. About the color of a washed red flannel shirt. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From sauer@mwci.net Fri May 21 08:13:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wie finde ich die Königin? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:16:35 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01be9f9f$005a7fe0$aa958ecf@default> References: <7hc2k0$2fd$1@newsread.f.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.142.149.170 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:16:35 GMT X-Trace: 926860595.624.82 EYSSBSUGM95AACF8EC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17477 One way to find the queen is to put a queen excluder over a box and shake all of the bees onto the excluder. If there is a queen, she will be stranded on top of the excluder. From allend@internode.net Fri May 21 08:13:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey comb Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:53:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7hmt6l$ubg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990512123045.26171.00001451@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 16 16:53:41 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.188 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17478 There is quite a bit of comb honey info at http://www.RossRounds.com Using Ross Rounds equipment is the simplest and most popular way to make comb honey these days, although some is still made in wooden sections and some by chunk method There are also Hogg half sections available for simple comb making, but I have no experience with them. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From db6546@dragonbbs.com Fri May 21 08:13:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: db6546@dragonbbs.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Blackberry pollination Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:08:01 GMT Message-ID: <373efa0c.11412561@news.dragonbbs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.69.150.40 X-Trace: 16 May 1999 13:01:51 -0400, 63.69.150.40 Organization: Newshosting.com Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!207.206.0.71!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!news.siscom.net!63.69.150.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17479 I am a hobbist beekeeper with 5 hives. I have been asked to supply hives to pollinate one acre of tame blackberries. How many hives will it take to do the job and how much should I charge? Thanks. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 21 08:13:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post-office woes Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 18:25:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373D9BCB.74143705@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <19990516142554.18059.00001246@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17480 When I open an express mail package of queens at the counter in front of the postal worker to show them they are alive and real, I always remark that if any were loose in the evelope it happened in postal custody. The letter carriers go everywhere on foot in town during peak swarming hours so I answer all the bee questions they ask and try not to get too steamed when things screw up. And this letter carrier or that tells me I saw a cloud of bees or I saw a swarm on a shrub. A swarm is worth just as much as a package to me. Most everyone I have dealt with when a queen arrives in bad shape just apologizes and sends out another queen. I just assume it's the norm. I got to spend yesterday taking a new beekeer through a dozen hives of checking for queenrightness, reversing, requeening,making a nuc, hive ventillation.. We even pinched a few queencells- in a hive raising it's own queen I destroyed the runt queen cells and left the nice large well fed ones. Today I walked out into a just emerging swarm and thumbtacked a pheremone lure to my apple tree and they settled there. I am sure it came from the hive we opened yesterday and is a 2nd swarm. I could stand a little rain - at night would be nice From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri May 21 08:13:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 18:30:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373F02FE.634@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990516143006.18059.00001249@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17481 >How far along are your Maple trees? My bees pick up red pollen from the >maples but that was a several weeks ago - you surely aren't that far >behind us here in S.IL. > >AL > >Pretty much gone by I noticed a butternut or walnut in bloom and the dandylions are all mostly seedheads now. Redbuds still in bloom but 1/2 gone. Strawberries in bloom apples almost done. I don't know about blueberries because I have not weeded that far. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From pollinator@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Blackberry pollination Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 May 1999 18:58:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <373efa0c.11412561@news.dragonbbs.com> Message-ID: <19990516145801.04828.00001321@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17482 From: db6546@dragonbbs.com > I have been asked to supply >hives to pollinate one acre of tame blackberries. How many hives will >it take to do the job and how much should I charge? Two to three hives should do it. I'd charge $35 - $45 each for singles with one or two supers. Pollination in your area may be higher......I can't imagine lower. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From orangerose@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 23:23:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hrov2$ekd$1@golux.radix.net> Message-ID: <19990518192325.27349.00000034@ng66.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17483 >This is a fascinating aspect of honey bee biology and perhaps one of the >most enigmatic and convoluted areas in evolutionary biology. SO, since I'm >supposed to be writing a draft for a journal article, instead I'll yammer >forth for a minute... > > Wow! This _is_ fascinating! Who knew bees were so enigmatic?? Thank you for sharing. Tidbits like this keep me reading, that's for sure... :-) newbee so new she doesn't have bees, Kelly From johnbee@iaxnet.co.uk Fri May 21 08:13:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:09:45 +0100 Organization: Cable Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7hsng4$g2h$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> References: <19990514204338.17930.00001651@ngol07.aol.com> <19990515225126.12489.00001900@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.28.14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17484 According to several studies reported in the magazine "Beekeeping and Development", sidewall angles of 10-15 degrees give virtually no attachment of the combs to the hive wall. This quarterly mag. aims to support beekeepers in developing countries and frequently covers topics such as topbar hives, honey sources in tropical countries etc. To give some idea or the target readership, they are prepared to accept subscriptions in clean beeswax where money is a problem. Beekeepers from more fortunate areas are invited to sponsor a subscription to a third world beekeeper. For more info, e-mail busy@planbee.org.uk . -- -- John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com If you don't change direction, you'll end up where you're going-- John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com If you don't change direction, you'll end up where you're going >Jajwuth wrote in message > I was wondering if anybody has developed a design to minimise sidewall > attachment of combs in top bar hives. In some of the webpages some beekeepers > are using cylindrical shapes like the natural crescent shapes of comb. > > Thanks all > > al > > From laureledwards@hotmail.com Fri May 21 08:13:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Baygirl" Subject: Looking For Package Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3of1-m41.ez-net.com/205.243.220.241 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:06:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 927065169 216.200.3.205 (Tue, 18 May 1999 15:06:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:06:09 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17485 I live in NE Wisconsin. The temps average about 65 here yet this spring. I am looking for package bees from somewhere "not Hot" so I can get them in good condition - ALIVE. Please Let Me Know. -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From orangerose@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 23:35:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990518192325.27349.00000034@ng66.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990518193548.27349.00000041@ng66.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17486 sorry. don't know why the letters came out so big. I'm not trying to shout.... gonna have to check with the ISP... :-( Kelly From bobpursley@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 23:39:39 GMT References: <19990518192325.27349.00000034@ng66.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990518193939.08346.00002930@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17487 In article <19990518192325.27349.00000034@ng66.aol.com>, orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) writes: > >newbee so new she doesn't have bees, > Get bees quick. Hands on is experienced learning. From orangerose@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 00:06:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990518193939.08346.00002930@ngol02.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990518200652.09487.00000043@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17488 >Get bees quick. Hands on is experienced learning. > Going on a six week vacation this summer. Bees have to wait till next year. In the meantime, I read, read, read and attend the occasional meeting of the SF Beekeepers Association. :-) Kelly From flash@starpoint.net Fri May 21 08:13:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination bees needed in Minnesota Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:40:54 -0500 Organization: news.starpoint.net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <926340079.875.84@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.10 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:41:19 GMT X-Trace: 926340079.875.84 43TUUEJNSC50AD120C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17489 Bees needed in soutwest Minnesota for Apple tree pollination. Please call Stonegate apple orchard at 507-836-8373 to make arrangements for delivery. They need up to 20 colonies but any number would be helpful. From queenmkr@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 01:38:44 GMT References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990518213844.08345.00003165@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17490 It sounds a bit elementary but try using a piece of masking tape witha small hole poked in it in stead of candy. Simply remove the cork from the queen cage, tape it shut, pierce the tape with a nail and install the queen in a hive. The bees will free her in a few days time. We get a great take using this method and nobody gets sticky making candy. Mark H From msimics@direct.ca Fri May 21 08:13:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Re: beekeeping stuff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01bea197$a2deda00$328442d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:38:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.132.50 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 927077924 216.66.132.50 (Tue, 18 May 1999 18:38:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:38:44 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17491 Hi, In Hungary, contact Nagy Istvan. He has a beekeeper supplier company and developer of several tools, products, etc. His address is: Nagy Istvan Jokai u. 1 H-7621 Pecs Hungary (011-36-72) 321-071 Work or Nagy Istvan Csortos Gy. u. 23/1 H-7635 Pecs Hungary (011-36-72) 323-622 Home Sincerely, Michael Simics http://www.beevenom.com http://www.corp.direct.ca/beevenom/ Oberhauser wrote in article ... > Who knows companies selling beekeeping stuff in Czechoslovacia and > Hungary? > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri May 21 08:13:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:17:03 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3742110F.FB35E429@valley.net> References: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> <7hr7en$k2n@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-117.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17492 David Scribner wrote: > Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > >Someone told me that I should use a 2-1 mix in the springs... is this 2 > >parts sugar to one part water, or the opposite? > > Charles, et al... > Bill Greenrose's reply has the correct ratios. Sorry for the confusion... I > guess that's what I get for pulling an all-nighter with a sick pet (brain > ceases to function, especially when it comes to math). It's now 3:10 AM and > after 44 hrs. of no sleep I'm going to hit the hay before I pull another > royal f---up and completely destroy any confidence. > > My apologies, > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - hey, david, after 44 hours, it's a wonder you're still standing. hope the pet is doing ok. if it is any consolation, i checked out your beekeeping website and it is very nice: good info and nice use of frames. :) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From tim@ipeg.com Fri May 21 08:13:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tim@ipeg.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking For Package Bees Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:53:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7ht5jk$53r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.215 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 19 01:53:57 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.215 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17493 In article , "Baygirl" wrote: > I live in NE Wisconsin. The temps average about 65 here yet this > spring. I am looking for package bees from somewhere "not Hot" so > I can get them in good condition - ALIVE. Please Let Me Know. > > Check out this page Baygirl... http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/suplybe.html Tim --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extraction w/out extractor question Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:12:03 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ht6ed$1da@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <7hs4v2$t1t@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 18 9:08:13 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17494 Norm, Aside from checking your local beekeeper's association as Bob suggested for an extractor you can borrow (good suggestion), a few of the more simple ways of extracting honey on a very small scale are: 1. Using a CLEAN pair of women's hose, stretch it over a five gallon bucket and literally crush the comb between your fingers. Leave the broken comb on top of the nylon. The nylon should sag some (so that you've got a good amount of crushed comb in it), but don't let it sag so much that it would sink down into the honey that is being strained. Put another bowl or bucket on top and leave it to set for a couple days to drain. You may have to check and re-crush any comb you've missed occasionally. 2. If you've got an old cider press, use it to press your combs in it. After pressing a batch, remove the beeswax for rendering. 3. Brushy Mountain (1-800-BEESWAX) used to sell a hand press (they still may). It was basically two wooden paddles (like they used to use in school) that were attached at the ends (spanking end) with hinges. The face of each paddle had ridges. When the paddles are squeezed together with honey comb between them, the comb would be crushed and honey would be pressed out. All three options destroy the comb, hence the value of using an extractor unless you want comb honey. But, if don't have any extractor yet... --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - npatt@snet.net wrote: >How can I extract honey from shallow supers without going to all the expense of buying an extractor? > >Norm >npatt@snet.net From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:39:49 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7ht1du$req@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3742d1e6.42709644@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 18 7:42:38 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17495 Roger, In the only book I was able to put my hands on that mentions drumming (most are still packed away in boxes since my company relocated me), The Complete Guide to Beekeeping by Roger A. Morse (a VERY knowledgable beekeeper in my opinion) gives detail on the technique of drumming, but no preferred time of day is indicated. My original reply was correct in the drumming speed according to Roger (40-60 beats a minute), but he does mention "Don't get too ambitious and beat too hard or too fast. The queen will usually leave the hive with the rest of the bees. When bees are drummed, very few of them take wing; drumming does not anger the bees. Often about 10 percent of the bees, the younger bees, may not leave the hive." As such I guess it doesn't matter what time of day you drum, but if I were doing it I think I might try in the late evening when most of the bees are inside. Don't forget to let me know how it works out! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - RAG wrote: >Will give it a try, David, and let you know how it comes out. Is >there a *preferred time* to drum them up--- night or morning? Id >assume that trying it when there is much activity might not work, >though if things are warm, the queen might be more inlined to move. >Thanks for the tip. Roger From vwatkins@wt.net Fri May 21 08:13:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Victor Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Records Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:42:59 -0500 Organization: World Trade Network, Inc. (WT.net) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ht2ac$qpd$2@sys14.hou.wt.net> References: <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-119-128-179.ipset8.wt.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp1.hal-pc.org!news.mae.houston.tx.us!news1.wt.net!sys14.hou.wt.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17496 Please post a sample to this group. I am in the research stage, and plan to start next year. Thanks Victor Watkins Houston, Texas ( Channelview ) ____________________________________________________________ ogg wrote in message <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default>... >As a relative newcomer to the hobby, I can see the need for hive records. >But what exactly should these contain. Has anybody out there got a copy of >a "typical" record sheet that I can copy. > >Ian From vwatkins@wt.net Fri May 21 08:13:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Victor Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Info Request Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:42:32 -0500 Organization: World Trade Network, Inc. (WT.net) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7ht2aa$qpd$1@sys14.hou.wt.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-119-128-179.ipset8.wt.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp1.hal-pc.org!news.mae.houston.tx.us!news1.wt.net!sys14.hou.wt.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17497 On Sunday, I went to the local County library and promptly checked out 2 beekeeping handbooks that were on the shelves. I thought I was going to have to wait for a transfer from another branch. What a pleasant surprise! Both books are excellent research for the beginner like me. This will hold me over till I can order my personal copies. Hope you have the same luck. Also, I hear the local County Extension Service will have literature. Victor Watkins Houston, Texas ( Channelview ) vwatkins@wt.net Znau wrote in message ... >Hello, >I am interested in learning about honeybees. I live in South Carolina so if From bobpursley@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extraction w/out extractor question NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 19:30:55 GMT References: <7hs4v2$t1t@news1.snet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990518153055.05085.00002944@ngol03.aol.com> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17498 In article <7hs4v2$t1t@news1.snet.net>, npatt@snet.net writes: > >How can I extract honey from shallow supers without going to all the expense >of buying an extractor? > Call or contact your local beekeeping club: often they have a club extractor, or a member that extracts others honey. From queenmkr@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 01:38:42 GMT References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990518213842.08345.00003164@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17499 The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri May 21 08:13:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:34:55 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3742153F.9D78B0D3@valley.net> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-117.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17500 Robert Malley wrote: > Mr. Johnson I agree with you that we new bee need to read a on what we are > doing before we get started in beekeeping. Because there is a potential of > doing more harm than good. I completed two books before starting my self > how ever they were books design for beginner and did not cover subjects like > this one, that I can recall. I am reading one now that I have been > disappointed in so far. It is The Complete Guide to Beekeeping. It should > be called the complete guide to beekeeping in New York State. because that > is the only area he talks about. I am from the Mississippi there is a big > difference in climate between MS and NY. If I winter my bees like he sujest > we talking drastic over kill. Also in his V Mite area he doesn't talk about > any methods of treatment or alternative methods. Such as Mineral Oil. What > I am saying there is a lot of books out there and not all of them is worth > the time it take to read them. Can someone give me a list of books they > would recommend. Yes the "Hive and the Honey Bee" is on my list of books > to Buy. > Thanks to all of you > Just a NewBee > Robert > greetings, a few books that i like to recommend are: 'Beekeeping - A Practical Guide' by Richard Bonney isbn # 0-88266-861-7 great intro book 'Hive Management' by Richard Bonney isbn # 0-88266-637-1 a little repetative of 'A Practical Guide' but still has enough 'gee whiz' ideas to make it a good read ''The How-To-Do-It Book of Beekeeping' by Richard Taylor isbn # 0-9603288-2-4 as i have said before, this one may be the single greatest collection of practical tips that you will read on any subject all of these are in the $10 - 16 dollar range and easy reads. both authors are from the northeast, but i think most of the concepts translate well to other parts of the country. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri May 21 08:13:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extraction w/out extractor question Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:32:02 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ht7nc$ijh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7hs4v2$t1t@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.102 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927081004 19057 12.72.41.102 (19 May 1999 02:30:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 1999 02:30:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17501 I see on the back cover of May ABJ that Dadant & Sons now has available a plastic 2 frame hand crank for 97.50 USD. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail wrote in message news:7hs4v2$t1t@news1.snet.net... > How can I extract honey from shallow supers without going to all the expense of buying an extractor? > > Norm > npatt@snet.net From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:13:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:59:59 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926964723 209.69.69.126 (Mon, 17 May 1999 13:12:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:12:03 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17502 Scrape, Scrape, Scrape.... Or dunk everything in Hot Lye- Water (I think Mr. Johnson gave his recipie a while back- a can af lye in a barrel of water, I think, but you better check that out...) For only a couple of hives, Srape away.... Ellen Anglin Stander wrote in message news:hDW%2.4730$xa.46253@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com... > What is the best way to remove old propolis from a wood hive? > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From vwatkins@wt.net Fri May 21 08:13:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Victor Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:12:13 -0500 Organization: World Trade Network, Inc. (WT.net) Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7ht6fj$t5c$1@sys14.hou.wt.net> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-119-139-106.ipset19.wt.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!nntp1.hal-pc.org!news.mae.houston.tx.us!news1.wt.net!sys14.hou.wt.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17503 Mr. Mizen, Well said! I am a newbie to this group and am very interested in beekeeping. I have only started researching this topic this week. I plan to research this season as well as acquire equipment and materials for the next season. By next season I will have accumulated enough knowledge to start a colony or two of my own. This is a very fascinating hobby that I will enjoy immensely. I am definitely hooked! I will read some literature on the subject and acquire a through foundation of the basics. However, I don't want to worry about stepping on someone's toes by asking a valid question. I have always encouraged students or associates to ask a question when in doubt or just plain do not know the answer to a question. Thanks for the encouragement. Victor Watkins Houston, Texas ( Channelview ) vwatkins@wt.net Philip Mizen wrote in message <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk>... >John > >People like Kevin Johnson usually have the answers to your kind of >question..and I'm sure that others subscribing to the group are interested >by his reply. Of course you should have books, and you probably have, but I >am getting fed up by this constant sniping at newbies. I think that we >should be encouraging questions like yours rather than making inexperienced >beekeepers feel embarrassed about posting a query. > >Keep on asking John - I'm sure that there will always be someone out there >that doesn't have complete intolerance of you, willing to share the benefit >of their wisdom (the anomaly is that Kevin does this, but always gets on his >soapbox about how uneducated we all are). This should be an area where >anything Beekeeping goes, if the "elite" want a different forum in which to >expand their (apparently) superior minds perhaps they should set-up another >group. Anyway, who is to say what a dumb question is? > >Regards > >Phil Mizen From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 03:25:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990518232550.13057.00002194@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17504 Phil I don't find anything in this string of responses that I would consider particularly "embarassing," or "sniping at a newbie" (I'm a newbie myself). Your characterization of these responses seems overdrawn. Unless I'm missing something here, I don't see where anybody said this is a dumb question (though Keven's response was a little uninformed -- I've read 5 books, and I think only 2 of them mentioned the piping queen thing). I appreciate your concern, but I don't want anybody out there to feel so concerned or sensitive that somebody might take what they say the wrong way, that they choose not to say anything at all. If people feel like they have to second guess themselves that much, they may give up! I'll take as much good advice as I can get, polished or otherwise. I like this quote of C.P. Dadant (as it appears in Sue Hubbell's "A Book of Bees"): "Beekeeping is a business that requires the greatest amount of attention to small details...The good beekeeper is generally more or less cranky." jm From roel.ten.klei@tip.nl Fri May 21 08:13:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "roel ten klei" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:36:55 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline News server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7htfld$5ps$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp236-22.worldonline.nl X-Trace: news.worldonline.nl 927089133 5948 195.241.236.22 (19 May 1999 04:45:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 1999 04:45:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17505 Who goes to apimondia congress at Vancouver later this year? Roel ten Klei Roel.ten.klei@tip.nl Http://www.tip.nl/users/roel ten Klei. From ttgme@megalink.net Fri May 21 08:13:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37406035.1E51D00C@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PROPOLIS REMOVAL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:30:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.95 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 926966203 208.148.250.95 (Mon, 17 May 1999 14:36:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:36:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17506 Stander wrote: > What is the best way to remove old propolis from a wood hive? > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). The best way that I have found is to scrape it off the wood frame when the weather is fairly cool. During the hot summer months the propolis will remain very sticky and pliable making it hard to remove. When the fall arrives and temperatures drop, the cooled propolis will become hard and brittle. At that time you can easily scrape it off with a couple of passes from your handy hive tool. If you need to remove it during warm weather AND you can remove the frames from the hive, simply store them for a day or so in a cool basement or root cellar until the propolis hardens. Good Luck !! From jeff1020@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!dfw.uu.net!chi.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need super plans Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 05:27:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7hsotd$b9t@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19990519012709.23185.00002192@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17507 >>What are the plans demensions and types of wood I need to make my own deep >supers and shallow supers? >Check out http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html for plans for >building hive bodies and frames (and other cool stuff) The inside demensions are the important ones,don't change those, it will cause problems with the bee space and give you headaches Jeffery E Reader Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend From murray@albany.net Fri May 21 08:13:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Murray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a Newbie... Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:48:40 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3742B325.C78984C0@albany.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6p29.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17508 Hi, What is the range of a honey bee when looking for pollen? How far does the range expand when the supply of pollen in the local area is limited? I'm lucky that my region (northeast - upstate New York ) is loaded with good pollen producing plants, especially at this time of year and into June and July. Jim From m.oberhauser@asn-ibk.ac.at Fri May 21 08:13:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Oberhauser" Subject: beekeeping stuff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.170.65.181/193.170.65.181 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 926966981302 Lines: 6 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:52:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 926967131 216.200.3.202 (Mon, 17 May 1999 11:52:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:52:11 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17509 Who knows companies selling beekeeping stuff in Czechoslovacia and Hungary? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From randy-nessler@uiowa.edu Fri May 21 08:13:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise?/Books Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:29:07 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3742BCA2.107EB793@uiowa.edu> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17510 Robert Malley wrote: > Can someone give me a list of books they > would recommend. Yes the "Hive and the Honey Bee" is on my list of books > to Buy. > Thanks to all of you > Just a NewBee > Robert Robert, I got the "Hive and Honey Bee" as a Christmas present, and there are a few things in it that I have found questionable. I know people are going to ask, so here are a few things I wonder about. There is the statement that the hive must not have any medications for six weeks prior to the addition of supers. This statement is too broad, and does not apply to all medications. Read the label of the medication in question. I had a large dandelion bloom in the area this year. Looking up what it says about dandelions could leave one with the impression that they are not good bee forage. The book has different authors by chapter, and thus their viewpoints often are different. Glean what you think will work. My confidence in this book has been somewhat diminished by the above incidences and others. Still, it is good to read anything you can. -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From beetools@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 15:52:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ht1du$req@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990519115218.18117.00000579@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17511 In all respect to Dr. Morse, there still is no data to support the claim that drumming has ANY effect on a swarm. I am in close contact with a number of Dr. Morse's former students (some of today's leading researchers - I publish the Journal of the Western Apicultural Society). The one thing that is most improtant in any claim of behaviopr is that there be some from of data to support that claim. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From taylaw@digizen.net Fri May 21 08:13:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.119 From: John Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:14:05 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3742489D.683E2563@digizen.net> References: <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com> <19990518095000.02900.00002035@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 927123260 62784 209.194.78.12 (19 May 1999 14:14:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 1999 14:14:20 GMT To: BeeCrofter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17512 Judging by the number of spelling and grammatical errors in your message, shall we assume that this new term applies only to readers and not to writers? :) Seriously though, not all information is in all of the "comprehensive" books that have been written, and a lot of it is in conflict. I've now reviewed the sections on queens, supercedure and swarming in each of the several books I have (one of which was used by the local beekeeping association as the text for its beginners' class) and the issue of piping was not discussed. Unfortunately, until I was enlightened on the cause of the noise, I had no topic under which I could "look it up." BeeCrofter wrote: > There was added to the dictionary recently a new word called "Aliterate" and > it refers to the person who is quite capable of reading yet too lazy to do so. > I wonder if spoon feeding a skill is really a god way to learn or to learn > to learn. > While I also encourage new and old alike to ask questions and to question > the books because we all know theres a lot of bum dope out there, I don't > hesitate to tell someone LOOK IT UP either. > By accident they may learn a few things they wern't looking for. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From taylaw@digizen.net Fri May 21 08:13:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.119 From: John Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:46:35 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3742503B.33827790@digizen.net> References: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 927123264 62094 209.194.78.12 (19 May 1999 14:14:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 1999 14:14:24 GMT To: Hk1BeeMan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17513 Thanks for your response, which was certainly informative. I've now reviewed the sections on queens, swarming and supercedure in each of the several books I have and the topic of piping is not covered. I certainly appreciate being enlightened on this topic, but I think a lot of experienced beekeepers are naive about the depth of information contained in most "comprehensive" books on beekeeping. Since I've now bought a number of books which do not cover this topic, do you have one you would care to recommend? I'm sure it's frustrating to someone on your level of beekeeping to read the questions a lot of people post here ("What do bees eat?" "Can I start a hive in Minnesota in January?"). I had hoped that most who read this group would not consider my question of that type. Anyone who thinks I haven't read enough about beekeeping is welcome to have a little chat with my wife. :) Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >expand their (apparently) superior minds perhaps they should set-up another > >group. Anyway, who is to say what a dumb question is? > > > >Regards > > > >Phil Mizen > > It's very simple... The only dumb question is the one that isn't asked. No one > should hesitate to ask anything. > > My suggestion to buy a book was nothing more than that. The queen trait of " > piping " > is covered in almost every book that i know of i figured he might wanna know > more. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:50:25 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7hupo4$2oe@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <7ht1du$req@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <19990519115218.18117.00000579@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo6-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 19 9:43:48 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17514 Ron, The reference in my posts regarding drumming has *NOTHING* to do with a swarm. Roger isn't talking about a swarm, I wasn't talking about a swarm (can I make that any clearer?). Re-read the posts and you'll see we're talking about an ESTABLISHED HIVE here, not a swarm (i.e: not flying but already in a hive body, with eggs, larvae and pupae). The only person that mentioned a swarm is yourself! Once again, we're talking about "DRUMMING" here, not "TINNING". There is a BIG difference (like that of a swarm and an established hive). Tinning was the act of banging on a tin or metal pot or pan as a SWARM WAS FLYING OVERHEAD, in hopes that the sound would bring it down to earth (and *is* a wive's tale). Drumming is the act of rythmically thumping on the side of a hive or hollow section of tree that already has BEES NESTING INSIDE to move them upward into a new hive body and out of the old one. Not sure how many "scientists" were around with beekeepers in the mountain and backwoods areas as they were switching from gum logs to Langstroth hive bodies back then, but it worked for many of them according to *more than one* published source. Your respects to Dr. Morse, and your own accomplishments, are noted but please re-read the posts and realize that Roger's need is to move bees upward in an old, rotting hive body into a new hive body... not catch a swarm as it's flying by. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - Beetools wrote: >In all respect to Dr. Morse, there still is no data to support the claim that >drumming has ANY effect on a swarm. I am in close contact with a number of Dr. >Morse's former students (some of today's leading researchers - I publish the >Journal of the Western Apicultural Society). The one thing that is most >improtant in any claim of behaviopr is that there be some from of data to >support that claim. > >Ron Bennett From paddler@boats.com Fri May 21 08:13:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Kevin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:11:46 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <927126395.658.18@news.remarQ.com> References: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com> <3742503B.33827790@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.139.129.75 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:06:35 GMT X-Trace: 927126395.658.18 NPRS.QMXI814BCE8BC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17515 As a 'newbee/bookreading/lurker' I can relate to John T. here. Mr. Johnson claims to be making nothing more than a helpful 'suggestion' when he says 'maybe ya should buy a book' (which comes off sounding more like a sarcastic holier-than-thou attitude) without knowing how many books this person has read. Seems to me that a helpful suggestion would be phrased more like 'there is a interesting/useful/informative definition in ____ book'. I think it's the consistency which these remarks come from Mr. J. that is drawing so much response on this. I can understand a bit of sarcasm if someone questioned why they got stung 100 times while dancing in front of the hive wearing nothing but a wool sweater. But John's seemed to me to be a legitimate question. But as I said I am a mere beginner. At least Kevin J. answered the question first, anyway. John Taylor wrote in message <3742503B.33827790@digizen.net>... >I'm sure it's frustrating to someone on your level of beekeeping to read the >questions a lot of people post here ("What do bees eat?" "Can I start a hive in >Minnesota in January?"). I had hoped that most who read this group would not >consider my question of that type. > >Anyone who thinks I haven't read enough about beekeeping is welcome to have a >little chat with my wife. :) > Hk1BeeMan wrote: >> >> My suggestion to buy a book was nothing more than that. The queen trait of " >> piping " >> is covered in almost every book that i know of i figured he might wanna know >> more. >> >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From m.oberhauser@asn-ibk.ac.at Fri May 21 08:13:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Oberhauser" Subject: Imkereibedarf Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.170.65.181/193.170.65.181 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 926967258880 Lines: 5 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:56:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 926967409 216.200.3.202 (Mon, 17 May 1999 11:56:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:56:49 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17516 Wer kennt Bezugsquellen für Imkereibedarf in Tschechien und Ungarn? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Fri May 21 08:13:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net> <7ho1pf$77o$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> <373F995D.6576@midwest.net> Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:23:46 -0400 Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.9 Message-ID: <37430318.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 19 May 1999 13:29:44 -0600, 209.192.109.9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17517 >True, but when he says he just installed a new pkg it sounds like a >start up hive with no drawn comb - so whats the answer Ralph??? There are two full depth supers, the bottom on was completly drawn out and had pollen and honey from previous owners that did not make it through the winter. And lots of room. The second super was only 8 frames of fresh foundation so I could fit the queen cage in and also make room for a 4lb package (lots of bees in there!) The comb they drew out was next to the queen cage was 8"L x 4"W, now almost in the center is a queen cell, on the other side of the comb was another but further up. I have had hives for 15 years now. I'm pretty darn sure I know the difference between a worker, drone and queen cell. My question was WHY did this happen in only 4 days after installing a new package. The queen could have easily gotten out of the cage as all the candy had been eaten. It's just so weird to have it happen so soon. I suppose we all run into the unexplainable at some point in our beekeeping. I've just got one for the believe or not crowd. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-237.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:48:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 33 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ed X-Server-Date: 19 May 1999 20:51:03 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17518 Well, hell. I just got back from a few days on the road and went outside to check my new backyard hive. Taking the top off and looking in, I thought, "These girls sure are quiet today, must be the weather..." Then I saw how many, many of them had their wings spread up and out, rather than folded on their pretty little backs. "The dreaded K WING!," thought I. So I look it up in Bonney's "Practical Guide" to make sure,and find out that, yes, my girls are, apparently, suffering from trachael mites. I immediately called a local beekeeper, and am awaiting her return phone call, and her advice. Meanwhile, I'm wondering which of Bonney's two remedies, menthol and Miticur, would be best to use. The bees are from a three pound package arrived and installed about a month ago. All else seemed to be going well, foundations are filling with brood and honey, queen seems to be happy and healthy, and now this. Any thoughts, prognoses, advice, etc., would be appreciated. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From tceisele@mtu.edu Fri May 21 08:13:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: 19 May 1999 21:15:29 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7hv9lh$qei$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17519 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: : In article <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com>, : jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: : > Hi Charles. : > : > I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 : > pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. : > : > jm : From what I've read it's measured by volume, not weight... : True or false? Anyone? First off, my books all give the ratio as a weight ratio, not a volume ratio. Second, there is a very good reason for using weights instead of volumes: the volume of a particular mass of sugar will vary, depending on grain size, humidity that day, and whether or not you shake or compress the contents of the measuring cup. If you measure granulated sugar by volume, you will get fairly substantial variations from one time to the next, and your mixture won't be consistent. Sure, it probably won't make a lot of difference in the great scheme of things, but weighing is easy. For that matter, if you use the whole bag of sugar at once, you don't even have to weigh it, just read the weight off of the bag. As for the water, well, a U. S. pint of water weighs very nearly 1 U. S. pound, and the water measurement will be consistent regardless of whether you measure it by weight or by volume. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-237.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:33:49 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ed X-Server-Date: 19 May 1999 20:35:57 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17520 In article <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > >The noise was a sort of high-pitched chirp. > > > This is the sound a queen makes to get the other queens ,,still inside their > cells to click like her so she can kill them. > > Ya might wanna buy a book. > > Dang. That's TOTALLY fascinating! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From sball@saltspring.com Fri May 21 08:13:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37433829.1DC@saltspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:16:09 -0700 From: stephen ball Reply-To: sball@saltspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee vac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.59 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.59 X-Trace: 19 May 1999 15:19:15 -0800, 204.244.138.59 Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!WCG!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17521 Nice apiary meeting, nice day, nice bees, 10 nice beekeepers Re. clearing super with leaf blower  I've been using the blower wrongly apparently Need to stand the super on end and blow from both sides in turn. I had been blowing from the top into a box   I'll try to describe the vac but you'll have to use your imagination A wooden box about 15" high, 20"long,18" wide with a lid fixed by case catches for easy release Lined with plastic mesh to give the bees a grip Viewed from the top Long edge to the top of view Top right- 3 brood frames of drawn comb with a little stores (and 2 Bayvarol strips for immediate varroa treatment) Top left, below level of frames- 2.5" hole in wall for suction tube Bottom left- 4" or 6" hole in wall for connection to vacuum side of McCulloch leaf blower Bottom left inside- box frame about 8"X 8"x 8" covered in plastic mesh to prevent bees having an onward journey and to reduce the pressure on the bees Large piece of sponge to block suction entrance  Vacuum side is left open to give bees ventilation    All credit to MH who made the vac who says he reckons 5 mins to collect a swarm with no return journey Hope this makes sense Regards Chris D From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-237.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:35:23 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ed X-Server-Date: 19 May 1999 20:37:31 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17522 In article <19990518061635.03529.00001963@ng-fb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > My suggestion to buy a book was nothing more than that. The queen trait of " > piping " > is covered in almost every book that i know of i figured he might wanna know > more. > FWIW: I've not read about this phenomenon in either Dadant's FIRST LESSONS or Bonney's PRACTICAL GUIDE. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From raghiot@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: raghiot@ix.netcom.com (RAG) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:38:14 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3742d1e6.42709644@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca11-249.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 17 9:38:19 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17523 Will give it a try, David, and let you know how it comes out. Is there a *preferred time* to drum them up--- night or morning? Id assume that trying it when there is much activity might not work, though if things are warm, the queen might be more inlined to move. Thanks for the tip. Roger From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fayettville, N.C. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 06:50:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990517170528.05231.00001914@ng-fs1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990518025003.02113.00002421@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17524 >nyone know of a beekeeper in the Fayettville area. I'll be their on vacation >in June. > >John >N. Smithfield, RI you're only about 33 mi away from me there Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 06:53:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> Message-ID: <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17525 >Yesterday I was checking on one of my hives and noticed an odd noise. I >wasn't sure if it was coming from my bees, or somewhere outside the >hive. > >A few moments later, I spotted the queen, and noticed that the noise >occured each time she stopped moving about on the frame, and the >fluctuation of the noise corresponded exactly with the movements of her >abdomen. > >The noise was a sort of high-pitched chirp. > >I observed this for several minutes, and am fairly certain the noise was >coming from the queen. > >Has anyone else observed this, or heard of it? > > This is the sound a queen makes to get the other queens ,,still inside their cells to click like her so she can kill them. Ya might wanna buy a book. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee vacuum Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 May 1999 06:54:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374046E6.3738@saltspring.com> Message-ID: <19990518025442.02113.00002424@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17526 >could anyone direct towards plans for the much talked about vac..Is it >as effective as described?Drawbacks? Thanks in advance stephen ball > 1-800-beeswax 85.00 works great Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter Bee Hole Size Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:59:29 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7hr7ek$k2n@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <19990517210408.19943.00001754@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 18 3:13:08 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17527 LauraMLeek wrote: >If it were me..... You said you already have one hole used by a leafcutter >right? I would take out a set of drill bits and find the drill bit that fit >the hole being used and then you would know. > >Laura Thought about that one too. The hollow metal bar underneath the porch rail she's using is a rectangular 1/2" high x 3/4" wide. The entrance she's using _is_ 1/4" as it's a bolt hole. She's got about 12" of bar on each side of the bolt hole, and she seems to be using both sides (if closely watching her entrances and exits is any indication). I went ahead and bored sixteen perpendicular 1/4" holes down one side of the 4 1/2" apple log (two zig-zagged rows of eight), and placed it near her current entrance. So far she's looked over the log a few times, but she's still using the metal bar. Maybe she'll start using it when her current nest is full. Thanks Laura, I let you know if she takes to it or not. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 03:19:34 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7hr7en$k2n@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 18 3:13:11 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17528 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: >Someone told me that I should use a 2-1 mix in the springs... is this 2 >parts sugar to one part water, or the opposite? Charles, et al... Bill Greenrose's reply has the correct ratios. Sorry for the confusion... I guess that's what I get for pulling an all-nighter with a sick pet (brain ceases to function, especially when it comes to math). It's now 3:10 AM and after 44 hrs. of no sleep I'm going to hit the hay before I pull another royal f---up and completely destroy any confidence. My apologies, --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:11:46 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7hvciv$gto@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo10-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 19 5:05:19 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17529 BTW, make sure it's granulated sugar, not powdered, and use regular shortening, none of the flavored stuff. Also, the ratio is by measure (i.e.: 1 cup shortening to 2 cups sugar). --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From rebonney@javanet.com Fri May 21 08:13:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping book Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:48:34 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37435BE0.6000@javanet.com> References: <19990519131417.10855.00003150@ngol04.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: uf7/XObjgSAJ1K0zdpRr/cc4WLfYvm3QVXJPAqBPrZQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 1999 23:46:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17530 As an author, I encourage you to buy an occasional book. Authors make at least a part of their income from the sale of books. Authors are encouraged to write more books when their books sell. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com From adamf@vt.edu Fri May 21 08:13:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: 19 May 1999 18:33:50 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7hv06e$jgp$1@golux.radix.net> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <7ho1pf$77o$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> <373F995D.6576@midwest.net> <37430318.0@newsman.viper.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17531 In article <37430318.0@newsman.viper.net>, Ralph Landry wrote: > >My question was WHY did this happen in only 4 days after installing a >new package. The queen could have easily gotten out of the cage as all >the candy had been eaten. It's just so weird to have it happen so soon. >I suppose we all run into the unexplainable at some point in our >beekeeping. I've just got one for the believe or not crowd. Could perhaps the package have just left? Absconded? Bees will do this sometimes. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-148.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:16:52 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hvciv$gto@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.94 X-Server-Date: 20 May 1999 00:19:08 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17532 In article <7hvciv$gto@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" wrote: > BTW, make sure it's granulated sugar, not powdered, and use regular > shortening, none of the flavored stuff. Also, the ratio is by measure > (i.e.: 1 cup shortening to 2 cups sugar). > Thanks for your help. The latest is thus: I took several bees in a jar of alcohol to a venerable local beekeeper, who disected them and checked them under a microscope. He found no evidence of trachael mites, but will soak the specimens in a solution to remove the tissue from the tracheas and check again. This fellow suggested that my girls have been exposed to a pesticide, and are suffering from its effects. I opened up the hive again when I got home this afternoon, and they're lackadaisacal, and many, many of them have their wings raised and spread. I noticed the queen in this same posture also, but she did eventually fold her wings back. So... I guess I wait to see what happens. I'll be travelling out of town as of Saturday, 2/22, and not returning until 6/3. I reckon by that time they'll either be over whatever it is that ails them, or they'll all be dead. There are a number of brood cells in the hive, so mebbe they'll replace any that die from this pox. Very sad... and frustrating. And I wonder if I inadvertantly did something to poison them. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From adamf@vt.edu Fri May 21 08:13:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: 19 May 1999 18:45:55 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17533 In article <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, David Scribner wrote: >Another approach to tracheal mites, other than using a miticide or working >with menthol (which needs warm weather temperatures to be fully effective) >is to use grease patties. And yet another approach is to use queens from tracheal tolerant stock. Buckfast bees have been tolerant to tracheal mites for a long time. I've been using a line of bees that began as Buckfast, I do not treat for Tracheal mites (read: no grease, and no menthol) and I do not experience any of the symptoms folks describe. This has been since 1992. Varroa mites are still a problem, however. :-( Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions from a Newbie... Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 00:51:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3742B325.C78984C0@albany.net> Message-ID: <19990519205107.20948.00002843@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17534 honeybees have been known to fly 1.8miles for pollen and nectar.. Tom From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 00:53:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990519205328.20948.00002844@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17535 Would recommend that they have enough pollen and if not substitute pollen should be given...you can use either menthol or Miticur but temperatures most be up for menthol to be affective..sooner the better though..Curious about what strain you have and where you obtained your bees. Tom From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri May 21 08:13:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:01:51 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <374350EF.3BC65DBF@valley.net> References: <927013036.19970.0.nnrp-12.c2dec323@news.demon.co.uk> <19990518232550.13057.00002194@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17536 JMitc1014 wrote: > Phil > > > "Beekeeping is a business that requires the greatest amount of attention to > small details...The good beekeeper is generally more or less cranky." > > jm AM NOT! bill [good beekeeper wannabe] ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From allend@internode.net Fri May 21 08:13:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:47:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 101 Message-ID: <7hvihq$rsi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hrqbe$ena$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.181 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 19 23:47:07 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.181 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17537 > >I'm not too worried about the ripe > >ones, but am sweating about the younger ones. > I think if your nucs are strong enough and you have placed the cells > in the right area (I'm sure you have) they will develop normally. > Funny, as I write this, you've probably already seen how they came > out--please let us know. Hi Adam, Actually, hard as it may be to believe, I haven't been back to check since the cells are all just 'back-ups' in our 'walk-away' 'side-by- side' splits that we've been discussing on BEE-L. I have hundreds upon hundreds of splits to make, and once they are made, I leave them to make it or fail on their own until I return in three weeks. Here's how the 'walk-away' idea works: Basically, the idea is that I wait until the two-storey hive gets so big that there are bees on at least six bottom bars of the lower box and they are cleaning the floor. Our hives are in four packs on pallets, with two facing east and two west. When a hive gets to the splitting size, we put a floor on the ground right beside it and lift the top box over onto it, make sure that there are lids and entrance reducers on each half and go away. As we lift, we look at the top bars of the bottom box and confirm that there is brood down there on at least three frames. If we see some drone brood, we feel even better. Even on a flow day, the bees divide quite equally between the two hives that result, assuming that they are both in one box or both in two (sometimes we put an empty brood chamber under each half to give them room to grow) and that the boxes are similar looking. We use auger holes and they prefer them as entrances. As a result, the colour of the floor does not seem to matter a bit. (More on our spring management at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/) Contrary to what many believe, when conditions are right -- lots of honey & pollen and lots of eggs and larvae of all ages in each half -- the bees make really nice cells and the queens that emerge are second to none. The split half explodes when she gets to work, and the split usually overtakes the half with the old queen by July 1st. Nonetheless, some hives don't have eggs in the (former) bottom half and we don't notice when splitting because we never pull a frame. Maybe the queen has just petered out, or maybe the bees don't start cells in time. No matter, sometimes cells just don't get made. Or maybe the queen gets killed in the splitting process and we have two queenless halves. We never know -- or care. For that reason, and also to try to gently steer the stock towards out ideals, we pop in a grafted cell of our own making into each half (We don't know where the queen is or even if there is one for sure). The cells we provide are a bit ahead of the bees' own cells in maturity, and should result in the sucessful queen most of the time. If not, then theirs gets to head the colony. If we don't ever get there with a cell, or ours fails, most colonies will have a new queen of their own making at work within three weeks of the split. Those that don't soon show up weak and we just double them up with one that made a queen, but seems a bit lacking in bees. So the cells are just insurance, and we won't likely ever know if they worked out. Sorry... > A related note: my first big graft of the year here > and the cells took almost 18 days to emerge. Since > then they've been coming regularly on the 16th day. > I surmise the cooler weather during that first placement > of cells into nucs slowed the virgins' physiological > processes down in pupation before eclosion. There's a hundred dollar word :) Have to remember that one. We see the same thing. We also notice that many queens have taken a rest during the recent rainy weather, even though the hives are very well provisioned. Anyhow, thanks for the response, Adam, and hope this thread grows. I'm tired of buying mated queens that cost big money compared to the current honey price and often do not work out. Love to share what works for me and hope others can add to it. BTW, thought you might be interested to know: I now get my sci.agriculture.beekeeping delivered by *email* from DejaNews! It's a new feature others might like too. And, I was hoping to hear from Jack on this, but maybe he is pretty busy. I know I am. Maybe he is not reading the group these days or maybe the message did not propagate to him. Guess I'll have to email him? allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From pollinator@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 00:56:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990519205648.08841.00004876@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17538 From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) > He found no >evidence of trachael mites, but will soak the specimens in a solution to >remove the tissue from the tracheas and check again. > >This fellow suggested that my girls have been exposed to a pesticide, and >are suffering from its effects. What kind of crops are grown in your area? Are any of them in bloom? What insecticides are used? Aerial spraying for mosquitoes, medflies, gypsy moths, grasshoppers? Look around for clues and give us some more info. Bees are not damaged by pesticides when used legally. But no one will stop illegal spraying except the beekeepers that are affected. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: shoud I remove queen cells? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 01:06:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3741cfb8.34866864@news.ntplx.net> Message-ID: <19990519210610.20948.00002848@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17539 It never gets easier just more interesting..dont get frustrated...strong colony is about to swarm so remove brood comb about four and give it to the other colony..and add supers..the other colony may not have a queen or is going to supercede her..either way..unite it with the another colony or requeen soon.. Tom From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri May 21 08:13:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: four virgin queens Date: Mon, 17 May 99 04:21:44 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <373E0072.3E93@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.110 X-Trace: 926918486 Y.AP37JYI1C6ECF95C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17540 Hi, A little good news for a rainy day . Stay Stronger, Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/15/99 4:17PM, in message <373E0072.3E93@earthlink.net>, workerbee wrote: Fellow beekeeps, I spent the afternoon taking bees from the wall of a house. Temp mid 50's, windy and damp. I only used smoke. No gloves, no veil(had them handy just in case} no problem. I did get one sting >from a stinger that was on a piece of honeycomb I sampled. There was no bee attached and the swelling in my upper lip has gone down already. A swarm was captured around the 6th of May in the yard next to it so figuring it came from the house in question, I expected to find lots of queen cells. Found one recently opened queen cell and the one next to it chewed. Used my home made vac and put about 5 lbs of bees in a shipping cage and closed and sealed the house. Removed 6 unhatched queen cells and put them in a box. When I went to hive the bees on pulled foundation and sealed brood I found a newly hatched queen in the box which I immediately added to the shipping cage. Dumped them in a hive and there she was crawling on a frame. Found another newly hatched queen in the box and put her in a cage to requeen a hive with a failing queen. Have done it before. Will release her Monday. Had some bees that refused to leave the shipping cage so I gave them 2 queen cells and found two more newly hatched queens in the box so with nothing else to do and it being too late, I dumped them into the shipping cage also with the unhatched sealed brood >from the house. If they are still there tomorrow, I'll start two nucs with them. Beekeeping can sure be fun. Don in NC BTW I ordered two queens yesterday From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:13:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990516150236.04828.00001323@ng138.aol.com> Subject: Re: Blonde Bees Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <7dR%2.158$Rl3.8947@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:45:48 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 926932931 209.69.69.139 (Mon, 17 May 1999 04:22:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 04:22:11 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17541 They do seem to be young (Fuzzy and new looking) , but they are VERY Blonde and pale all over. They stand out much more distinctly than the young bees I have watched hatch in my other hives. Unless they darken a Lot, they are still going to be much lighter than their sisters as they age. (There was too much wind to watch the brood nest for long, and see if I could find darker bees emerging.) I Guess It will be interesting to see how many I get, and how long I keep seeing them. I suppose it will depend on if the color comes from a single father, of if the queen mated with more than one drone with the "Blonde" genes. I'll just have to watch and see I guess.... Ellen Anglin From honeybs@radix.net Fri May 21 08:13:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liquid smoke Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:19:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7hoo2e$6r4$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990516234015.11104.00001492@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17542 jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) wrote: >>I got my bottle of liquid smoker earlier this week. I went >>into a few hives - moderate to weak - and it worked fairly >>well. It didn't seem to harm the bees and the effect lasted >>longer than regular smoke. The jury is still out but so far >>I like it. I think it will be a great alternative during >>the real dry weather as it is not a fire hazard. It >>definately beats lighting a smoker just to peak into one >>hive. It really has potential! >> >>I'll post some followups as things go along. Anyone else >>try the stuff? >> >>Greg the beekeep >Just tried the stuff today. It worked OK. I had some bees buzzing around me >and the hive, I sprayed some Liquid Smoke in the air and they seemed to settle >down.Think I like this more, no smoker to light, don't need to carry extra >fuel, don't need to keep the smoker going. >Jeffery E Reader >Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend I'm finding that I like the old smoker when working a lot of hives. I think you get better control with smoke. But the liquid sure is handy if you just want to look in one or two hives. You can be done by the time you light the smoker. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Fri May 21 08:13:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net> <7ho1pf$77o$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:59:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.5 Message-ID: <3740061a.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 17 May 1999 07:05:46 -0600, 209.192.109.5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.5 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17543 They were not drone cells, it's in the middle of the comb one on both sides and were the classic peanut shape with the entrance hanging down. Now I might buy the loose queen in the package, but still, only 4 days with a new package is still a strange one. -- -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Fri May 21 08:13:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liquid smoke Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:14:08 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 1 Message-ID: <373FEBF0.2CBF@mindspring.com> References: <7gdi1l$oho$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990516234015.11104.00001492@ng-fr1.aol.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.01.f4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 17 May 1999 14:07:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17544 Can you give us an idea of the mixture? From mikeharris@c21winners.com Fri May 21 08:13:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stander" Subject: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: shv2-202.shreve.net/208.214.44.202 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 926954935500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:31:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 926955085 216.200.3.202 (Mon, 17 May 1999 08:31:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:31:25 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17545 What is the best way to remove old propolis from a wood hive? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-186.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:18:29 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <373fa69c@news.bscn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ba X-Server-Date: 17 May 1999 16:18:16 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17546 Someone told me that I should use a 2-1 mix in the springs... is this 2 parts sugar to one part water, or the opposite? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-148.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:11:44 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19990519205328.20948.00002844@ng15.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.94 X-Server-Date: 20 May 1999 03:11:58 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17547 In article <19990519205328.20948.00002844@ng15.aol.com>, tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) wrote: > Would recommend that they have enough pollen and if not substitute pollen > should be given...you can use either menthol or Miticur but temperatures most > be up for menthol to be affective..sooner the better though..Curious about what > strain you have and where you obtained your bees. > > Tom They're Eye-talians, from Koehnen, in CA. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bbnplanet.com.MISMATCH!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-148.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:13:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990519205648.08841.00004876@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.94 X-Server-Date: 20 May 1999 03:13:29 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17548 In article <19990519205648.08841.00004876@ng-ch1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > What kind of crops are grown in your area? Are any of them in bloom? What > insecticides are used? Aerial spraying for mosquitoes, medflies, gypsy moths, > grasshoppers? I know of no spraying by the city for any of these. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping book Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 17:14:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990519131417.10855.00003150@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17549 Does anybody know of any books that describes beekeeping in developing countries. All I need is a title and I will put in a request at the library. I've yet to buy a beekeeping book I try to get them at the library. Thanks all Jajwuth From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-148.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:12:47 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <19990519205648.08841.00004876@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.94 X-Server-Date: 20 May 1999 03:13:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17550 In article <19990519205648.08841.00004876@ng-ch1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) > > > He found no > >evidence of trachael mites, but will soak the specimens in a solution to > >remove the tissue from the tracheas and check again. > > > >This fellow suggested that my girls have been exposed to a pesticide, and > >are suffering from its effects. > > What kind of crops are grown in your area? Are any of them in bloom? What > insecticides are used? Aerial spraying for mosquitoes, medflies, gypsy moths, > grasshoppers? > > Look around for clues and give us some more info. > > Bees are not damaged by pesticides when used legally. But no one will stop > illegal spraying except the beekeepers that are affected. > > We live in the city... Colorado Springs. There are really no crops around here, that I know of, just a lot of dandelions, backyard gardens, and wildflowers. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Fri May 21 08:13:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:44:15 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927204317 839 129.173.88.206 (20 May 1999 12:45:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 12:45:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17551 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > And yet another approach is to use queens from tracheal tolerant stock. > Buckfast bees have been tolerant to tracheal mites for a long time. I've been > using a line of bees that began as Buckfast, I do not treat for Tracheal > mites (read: no grease, and no menthol) and I do not experience any of the > symptoms folks describe. This has been since 1992. > > Varroa mites are still a problem, however. :-( Tracheal mites had been no problem during my beekeeping times (starting in 1990, Germany). Varroa mites are, and they need treatment every year. I think that the annual Varroa treatment also takes care for the tracheal mites. In fact, before Varroa appeared in Germany the tracheal mites had to be reported to the bee inspectors. In present days the only pest which has to be reported in Germany to the authorities is the american foulbrood. Ulli From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri May 21 08:13:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> <19990518113830.05086.00002885@ngol03.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive-reference material Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:27:21 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 927203984 209.69.69.143 (Thu, 20 May 1999 07:39:44 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:39:44 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17552 Michigan State University has a very complete collection of back issues of american Bee Journal and Bee culture Magazine. Some are in the regular stacks, and older ones are in "Special Collections". When I was an undergraduate, It eas possible to get photocopies of items in the "Special Collections" area for a small charge- 10 cents a page back in the late 80's. You might try contacting Libraries at other Agricultural universities and asking if they could copy these articles for you. Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990518113830.05086.00002885@ngol03.aol.com... > In some of the web sites you see references to beekeeping magazine articles > about Top Bar Hives. > > My question is how do you find the back issues? > > Most libraries don't subscribe to these magazines even the university library > doesn't have these magazines. > > I also notice some of beekeeping books are not at the libraries. > > Jajwuth > > From jajwuth@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-reference material Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 12:55:21 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990520085521.05084.00003523@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17553 Where I live the Dept of Agriculture has a lending service of beekeeping videos. They pay the freight cost both ways and it is all free I've viewed about 6 videos so far. I'm still having trouble getting magazines and some books. I've e-mailed them about books and magazines. I particularly want some books published by US govt peace corps. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 21 08:13:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Date: 20 May 1999 14:36:57 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7i16m9$55o6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990512180501.29957.00001152@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 927211017 000 192.168.253.46 (20 May 1999 14:36:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 14:36:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17554 well, when i went to pick up my bees, my seller told me i didnt need to feed them because he has given them honey and pollen frames. so i am happy about that. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 21 08:13:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Date: 20 May 1999 14:40:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7i16sl$55o6$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7h1ssj$nm0$1@remarq.com> <37362828.ee3bd0ce@megalink.net> <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <373a30b8.b9a947e8@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 927211221 000 192.168.253.46 (20 May 1999 14:40:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 14:40:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17555 forgot to thank everyone publicly for taking the time to answer my questions, mucho appreciate. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 21 08:13:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: 20 May 1999 14:06:17 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7i14sp$1oj8$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hvciv$gto@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 927209177 000 192.168.253.46 (20 May 1999 14:06:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 14:06:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17556 do you have to feed bees when they are too weak to forage? with like, sugar water and pollen substitute? i just got my first hive one week ago. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 21 08:13:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: garlic/pepper spray Date: 20 May 1999 14:27:10 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7i163u$517k$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 927210430 000 192.168.253.46 (20 May 1999 14:27:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 14:27:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17557 aphids are destroying my honeysuckle and and rosebushes, and i want to use a garlic/pepper spray, will this affect my honey bees? planning to buy some ladybugs too. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri May 21 08:13:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kidney and heart patients Date: 20 May 1999 15:06:17 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 2 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7i18d9$55o6$4@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7hep7j$2jfu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990513112058.08344.00001670@ngol02.aol.com> <7hhqqp$5oo$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> <7hi4pe$rkr$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 927212777 000 192.168.253.46 (20 May 1999 15:06:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 15:06:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17558 thanks to everyone who responded! From lithar@midwest.net Fri May 21 08:13:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:37:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <37407E16.3829@midwest.net> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <373F2272.7BFD@midwest.net> <7ho1pf$77o$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> <3740061a.0@newsman.viper.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.86 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:30:21 GMT X-Trace: 926973021.325.11 JF3D7GB4M0C56D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17559 Ralph Landry wrote: > > They were not drone cells, it's in the middle of the comb one on both > sides and were the classic peanut shape with the entrance hanging down. > Now I might buy the loose queen in the package, but still, only 4 days > with a new package is still a strange one. So what you are saying is you installed the pkg in a hive with comb already in place, in which case Gerry's theory would seem to hold. The eggs must have alread been in some of the cells for the workers to raise a queen. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 10:45:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374350EF.3BC65DBF@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990520064537.16477.00002499@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17560 >attention to >> small details...The good beekeeper is generally more or less cranky." > >AM NOT! > Just ain't had none lately............. Luck that is hehehehehee Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From allend@internode.net Fri May 21 08:13:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:04:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7i0j7i$igk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hrqbe$ena$1@golux.radix.net> <7hvihq$rsi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hvf4u$k6v$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 20 09:04:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.183 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17561 > Dr. C. Peng at UCal Davis looked at the actual number of appropriate > aged workers needed to rear good (high number of ovarioles) queens. I heard her speak once and was really impressed. I've looked for chances to hear her again and never managed to be in the same place at the same time. > Guess what she found? One doesn't need too many. Something like 500 to rear a few good cells... That's interesting. I've wondered. Enough young bees is always the big concern in cell builders in spring, other than nutrition. So, if you want to build a couple of frames of cells in a builder, at 500 young bees per ~three cells (say), that would mean about 2,500 per bar or 15,000 total? Hmmmm. That's a lotta young bees -- about 2-1/2 frames *solid* (both sides) with hatching brood every 7 days, or about 4 normal frames worth. That would imply 12 frames full of brood in the hive if you were not adding bees and brood. How young is young? Figure about a week at peak milk production? > So how many colonies do you super for the honey flow? 3,000+ last year, but 1,800 were on pollination during our main flow. Still had to super -- some to 7 high for a few days until we could get caught up. How many supers do you own? About 15,000. We do a lot of pollination. For strictly honey, we would need 21,000 to maximize our production. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From pollinator@aol.com Fri May 21 08:13:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 17:40:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <19990520134048.14551.00002809@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17562 From: tim@ipeg.com >What is the proper placement fo Apistan strips? >Should they be wedged vertically between the frame >endbars or what? Place between the top bars in the cluster of bees and brood. If the bees are not in direct contact, it won't do much good. Is this a good time to treat your bees? If you are in the northern US or Canada, probably not, as honeyflows are near. If it is a starter colony with no chance of making early consumable honey, okay. If it is a full strenth colony that you are going to super soon, you should have treated quite awhile ago. Here in SC our flow is winding down, and I may do some treating during that hot weather lull, when no honey comes in. I never get anything significant in late June-July, here. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From taylaw@digizen.net Fri May 21 08:13:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!pao.uu.net!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.215 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:29:23 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 926972963 64440 209.194.78.12 (17 May 1999 20:29:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 May 1999 20:29:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17563 Yesterday I was checking on one of my hives and noticed an odd noise. I wasn't sure if it was coming from my bees, or somewhere outside the hive. A few moments later, I spotted the queen, and noticed that the noise occured each time she stopped moving about on the frame, and the fluctuation of the noise corresponded exactly with the movements of her abdomen. The noise was a sort of high-pitched chirp. I observed this for several minutes, and am fairly certain the noise was coming from the queen. Has anyone else observed this, or heard of it? From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:13:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-237.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:31:06 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ed X-Server-Date: 19 May 1999 20:33:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17564 In article <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > Hi Charles. > > I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 > pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. > > jm >From what I've read it's measured by volume, not weight... True or false? Anyone? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:13:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!spool.news.idt.net.MISMATCH!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:59:14 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo8-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 19 4:52:31 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17565 Another approach to tracheal mites, other than using a miticide or working with menthol (which needs warm weather temperatures to be fully effective) is to use grease patties. Take regular vegetable shortening (Crisco) and mix with regular granulated sugar in a 1:2 ratio. After mixing take about 1/4 pound of the mixture and form a pattie. Place the pattie as close to the center of the brood nest as possible. Grease patties can be used as long as necessary (even during nectar flows that will be harvested) as they don't contain any chemicals or pesticides that will contaminate the honey. In early spring, if you add Terramycin to them to control AFB, make sure to remove any remains of the Terramycin grease patties six weeks before surplus honey production begins. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >Well, hell. >Taking the top off and looking in, I thought, "These girls sure are quiet >today, must be the weather..." > >Then I saw how many, many of them had their wings spread up and out, >rather than folded on their pretty little backs. > >"The dreaded K WING!," thought I. > >So I look it up in Bonney's "Practical Guide" to make sure,and find out >that, yes, my girls are, apparently, suffering from trachael mites. >Meanwhile, I'm wondering which of Bonney's two remedies, menthol and >Miticur, would be best to use. > >Any thoughts, prognoses, advice, etc., would be appreciated. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford From jcampos@portoweb.com.br Fri May 21 08:13:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jcampos@portoweb.com.br Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Let's Take a Test # 3 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:21:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7hvdh5$of0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <373b7d92.11868824@news.usit.net> <19990516071531.23712.00001073@ng-ci1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.248.157.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 19 22:21:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 200.248.157.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17566 Hey, what about AHBs? I'd just subtract one day (15/23/20). Is that right? In article <19990516071531.23712.00001073@ng-ci1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >>Length of time that it takes the following to go from egg to Bee. > >> > >>Queen ? 16 days > >> > >>Drone ? 24 days > >> > >>Worker ? 21 days > > > > > > You all did very well on ? number 3 !!!! > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From honeybs@radix.net Fri May 21 08:13:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:00:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7hvgtu$t7t$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17567 "Ralph Landry" wrote: >I installed 3 packages on Wednesday and the directions suggested >checking if the queens had been released 4 days later. Well I checked >them and one was out and the other one I opps'd on and had the candy >covered by the inner cover so I released her. But the other one has me >puzzled. The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I >inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get >out. Since I had to put it between two frames the workers had started >building comb next to the queen cage and was pretty big for 4 days. I >removed this comb as it was built on the edge of the frame since the >space was so large, but when I took it out there were two supersedure >cells on either side of the comb, why would this happen so soon? That >has me puzzled. Here's my guess. The queen was released and walked about the combs, thus leaving her foot pad pheramones around. Then she crawled back into the cage and stayed there for a while. The foot pheramones started to disappear. This triggers the building of supersedure cells as the bees think the queen is damaged and can't get around very well. I assume you removed the cage and let the queen lose into the hive. Any more queen cells found? If you ever get a chance try this. You have a old queen that you are going to replace. Remove two legs and release her back to the colony. Go back in a couple of days and look for supersedure cells. They will be there! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From tomapis@aol.com Fri May 21 08:14:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak hive. Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 01:03:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6uk03.437$RU.3327787@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Message-ID: <19990519210328.20948.00002847@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17568 Your first colony is very weak and not able to house clean so you have no choice but to either give it brood comb from a strong colony or unite it with a strong colony..If you unite..must destroy the queen in the weaker colony first..use the newspaper method..works well... The second colony has not made queen cells so you still may have a queen but give it more time..and make sure there is plenty of pollen stores and honey stores and no disease present...then unite with the weaker colony..when in doubt about your queen and you think she should be laying better..mail for a new queen..like a Buckfast...and feed the colony to be requeened sugar syrup when you introduce her.. Tom From randy-nessler@uiowa.edu Fri May 21 08:14:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.indiana.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!128.255.56.80!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise?/Books Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:50:27 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37441323.9F8B21DF@uiowa.edu> References: <3742BCA2.107EB793@uiowa.edu> <19990520064114.16477.00002497@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17569 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >There is the statement that the hive must not have any medications for > >six weeks prior to the addition of supers > > Very true !!! If not from a medical standpoint from a ethical one. > course if you're not gonna eat any honey or sell it then do what ya want > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC My point was the blanket statement of ANY medication. Is menthol medication (I wouldn't use it during honey flow, or spring for that matter), but is it necessary to wait six weeks after using it if you treated in the spring? How about supers stored on moth crystals, air six weeks before adding to hive? How long after removal of Apistan strips, six weeks? I think one should read the label of the product being used. I'm all for error on the side of safety (medical/ethical). Randy -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From johnbee@iaxnet.co.uk Fri May 21 08:14:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:06:16 +0100 Organization: Cable Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7i1gg8$3eg$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> References: <19990518132617.24410.00002034@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19990519015812.28133.00002204@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.28.46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17570 A handy way to make up 2:1 sugar syrup is to pour the required ammount of sugar into a vessel and mark the level. Pour on boiling water until the water reaches the mark (stir to release air bubbles). Stir until the sugar dissolves. This method works well for small quantities; the sugar is hard to stir by hand for larger amounts -- John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com If you don't change direction, you'll end up where you're going From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:14:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-97.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: K Wing (Was: T. Mites) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:00:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hvciv$gto@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7i14sp$1oj8$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.61 X-Server-Date: 20 May 1999 23:02:46 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17571 In article <7i14sp$1oj8$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > do you have to feed bees when they are too weak to forage? with like, > sugar water and pollen substitute? > I've been feeding them since I put them in. They're taking about 24 oz. of 1:1 sugar water a day. They still seem to be foraging, at least some of them... Maybe I overreacted yesterday. There ARE a lot of them that don't fly readily, even when I poke at 'em, and that have their wings up and spread. But maybe they don't have tracheal mites. One local beekeeper suggested I treat for nosema. Advice, anyone? What I was wondering is this... the package went in about 5 weeks ago, and the queen's been laying like hell. Is it possible these are baby bees? That might explain why they don't fly, but, would it explain the spread-out wings? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From tpl@wave.co.nz Fri May 21 08:14:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Date: 20 May 1999 21:56:41 GMT Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 78 Message-ID: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 927237401 15813 203.96.192.138 (20 May 1999 21:56:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 21:56:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17572 Greetings I found the following in in the NZ news file at http://www.7am.com it really concerns me the risks involved for our bees.. Monsanto are negotiating to plant GM rape seed in NZ.. this crosses very readily with other brassicas... cabbage etc .. I noticed this season that our bees were particularly attracted to my broccoli flower seed what will be the impact? read on:- 21/05/99 - Gene corn presents risk for monarch butterflies Genetically modified corn that has killed monarch butterfly caterpillars in overseas trials will be grown here if an agricultural company has its way. Pioneer New Zealand has applied to the Environmental Risk Management Authority to conduct field trials of the crop, known as Bt-corn, in the Waikato. A hearing of the application is expected in July. The research findings triggered alarm bells internationally as strong evidence that genetically engineered crops could pose a threat to wildlife. Although limited to laboratory tests, the findings sparked concern over whether the crop could be harming other insects and causing damage down the food chain. While monarch butterflies are not endangered, environmentalists see the brightly coloured insects common in New Zealand as a flagship species for conservation and an environmental indicator. In the tests, scientists from Cornell University in New York dusted milkweed leaves with pollen from the corn. Nearly half the caterpillars feeding on the leaves died, while others grew to about half their normal size. The genetically engineered maize or corn contains genes from the toxic bacterium known commonly as Bt, an ingredient in the biological insecticide used in the battle against the white-spotted tussock moth in Kohimarama. The Bt-corn, which has been shown not to harm humans, other mammals, bees or ladybirds and is planted on 2.8 million hectares in the United States, is designed to kill the corn borer pest. But Swiss scientists found that insects called lacewings died more quickly after they fed on corn borers reared on the modified corn. One of the Cornell scientists, entomologist John Losey, said the findings showed the need for more research, but he did not support a moratorium on modified crops. The proven benefits in terms of increased yields and reduced insecticide use needed to be weighed against the potential risks. Representatives of the agricultural giants that manufacture the corn, Novartis AG, Pioneer Hi-Bred International and Monsanto, dismissed the research as sloppy and said plants eaten by monarch butterfly caterpillars did not grow near corn fields. "Whatever the threat to monarch butterflies that is posed by Bt-corn, we know it is less than the threat of drifting pesticide sprays," said one official. The New Zealand Labour Party spokesman on science and technology, Mark Peck, has called for the establishment of a royal commission of inquiry into genetically engineered food and organisms. - STAFF REPORTER, REUTERS, AP © Copyright 1999, NZ Herald From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 21 08:14:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:54:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7i25sn$odm$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990518132617.24410.00002034@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19990519015812.28133.00002204@ng-fu1.aol.com> <7i1gg8$3eg$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 927242967 25014 62.136.13.196 (20 May 1999 23:29:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 23:29:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17573 No need to boil the water - unless you have spare money! - it will dissolve in cold if kept moving, or use water from the hot tap if you are in a hurry. For large quantities I used to use an old Hoover single tub washing machine - 55lbs sack of sugar made up to nine gallons with cold water; turn on for fifteen minutes then pump out. Now I use baker's fondant (consists of glucose syrup and white sugar - no mess, no mixing and can be used at any time of the year; in the spring the bees will take it if they need it, but abandon it when a flow starts - so no danger of all that syrup ending up in the supers. John Burgess wrote in message <7i1gg8$3eg$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net>... >A handy way to make up 2:1 sugar syrup is to pour the required ammount of >sugar into a vessel and mark the level. Pour on boiling water until the >water reaches the mark (stir to release air bubbles). From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 21 08:14:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:47:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7i25sm$odm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 927242966 25014 62.136.13.196 (20 May 1999 23:29:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 23:29:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17574 UK = 2lbs to 1 pint (and 'a pint of clear water weighs a pound and a quarter' as the old saying goes) JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com>... >Hi Charles. > >I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 >pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. > >jm From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 21 08:14:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:19:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7i25sp$odm$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 927242969 25014 62.136.13.196 (20 May 1999 23:29:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 23:29:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17575 You need paraffin WAX - not paraffin oil (unless you are tired of life). In the UK there are two grades with different melting points; you need the higher melting point. I used an old galvanised water tank, in the garden, on blocks with a fire underneath and about 2 cwt of wax. The fire needed a blower (vacuum cleaner on blow) from time to time to get the temperature high enough - it needs to be about 310F. You put the hive parts in for about a minute and they will sizzle as the water comes out - rather like frying chips. Use thick rubber gloves to protect your hands from the hot wax and drain the boxes briefly as they are lifted out. They will look wet with the wax, but as they cool it is drawn into the wood which then looks as though it has not been treated; however, water will run off immediately. I took great precautions against fire e.g. CO2 fire extinguisher, lid for the tank to smother any flames and a hose to put out the fire. This proved to be 'over the top'! The wax caught fire twice (when I got the fire going rather too well) but only burned with a very low flickering flame in the tank and this was easily extinguished by putting the lid on. The most important things are: temperature around 310F - hotter and the wax may catch fire, cooler and you simply coat the outside of the boxes with a layer of wax; get a big pile of equipment ready before you start - once the wax is up to temperature you can treat boxes very quickly; have a least two people - one dipping and the other passing and stacking. A good exercise for an Association meeting. dewitt wrote in message ... >While reading in one of my many books on how to preserve hive bodies and >remove propolis I noticed a recommendation to soak hives in boiling >Paraffin. > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 21 08:14:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions from a Newbie... Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:24:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7i25sq$odm$5@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3742B325.C78984C0@albany.net> <19990519205107.20948.00002843@ng15.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-68.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 927242970 25014 62.136.13.196 (20 May 1999 23:29:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 23:29:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17576 6 miles has been recorded to my knowledge but the accepted normal maximum range is probably 1.5 miles. Having said that I think that most foraging is within 0.5 mile. Tomapis wrote in message <19990519205107.20948.00002843@ng15.aol.com>... >honeybees have been known to fly 1.8miles for pollen and nectar.. > >Tom From jimbo007@webtv.net Fri May 21 08:14:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-city codes Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <5468-374482F4-39@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7hc95f$avg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQr7ziGeMsYf91tkdieejUkUSlmrAIUQIVo+DxHjTihUVlsIew/3jUo+xY= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17577 Don't want to throw a damper on you guys that want to try TBH but if you live in city limits you might want to check your local city ordinances. TBH's are not legal in my city... From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri May 21 08:14:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-city codes Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:12:09 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7i288b$lp2$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7hc95f$avg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <5468-374482F4-39@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.96 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 927245387 22306 12.72.203.96 (21 May 1999 00:09:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 1999 00:09:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17578 Jim Can you provide a litle more info? What city and what is the rationale for prohibiting TBH's? Is it specifically TBH's or does the ordinance refer to something more general like "removable frames". I realize that THB frames are removable but I have heard of local laws that by their wording it is clear that the intent of the law is to pretty much restrict you to Langstroth-type hives. I think these probably largely result from the input and complaints of ag inspectors that don't want to spend alot of time in their manipulations. On the otherhand, what are they going to do? Do the Langstroth police pay you a visit? Of course I would never suggest one break the law, but this may fall under the category of "don't ask, don't tell" unless your locality also requires inspections. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jim Roland wrote in message news:5468-374482F4-39@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net... > Don't want to throw a damper on you guys > that want to try TBH but if you live in city > limits you might want to check your local > city ordinances. TBH's are not legal in > my city... > From Me@home.com Fri May 21 08:14:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and bears Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:46:01 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7hqgsm$iqg$2@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <19990514093246.08634.00001495@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.17.98 X-Server-Date: 18 May 1999 01:48:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17579 The one time I had problems with bears I just filled him with some rock salt. He was a yellow bear, red t-shirt. I caught him in the rump, knocked the stuffing out of him. All I heard was "oh, bother". That was the last trouble I had. (This is, of course, a joke) From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri May 21 08:14:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-97.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:56:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990520134048.14551.00002809@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.61 X-Server-Date: 20 May 1999 22:58:25 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17580 In article <19990520134048.14551.00002809@ng-co1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > From: tim@ipeg.com > > >What is the proper placement fo Apistan strips? > >Should they be wedged vertically between the frame > >endbars or what? > > Place between the top bars in the cluster of bees and brood. If the bees > are not in direct contact, it won't do much good. Are you saying to lay the strips across the top of the foundations? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From geoffkb@coldmail.com Fri May 21 08:14:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: geoffkb@coldmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:53:36 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <374491f5.25400481@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.6.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 927240809 1353 12.64.6.208 (20 May 1999 22:53:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 22:53:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17581 I've just moved to Fresno from England and want to start beekeeping again. How do I spread the word that I am able and willing to collect swarms in my area? Is there any sort of beekeeping association in the Fresno area? Geoff From ttgme@megalink.net Fri May 21 08:14:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374499CE.B1A52164@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question about queens References: <3744779b.30517654@news.ntplx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:25:02 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.158 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 927243078 208.148.250.158 (Thu, 20 May 1999 19:31:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:31:18 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17582 mmm wrote: > I've started my first two hives about 6 weeks ago. They came via > nukes, Four frames which were wintered with the queen from Vermont. > > I check once a week for progress, to see how quickly they are filling > the foundations. To me, they seem to be making really slow progress. > At the end of the first six weeks, one hive has completed only one > (two sides) foundation, while the other made about 2 1/2 . > > The man whom I received the bees, suggested that I replace a > foundation of capped brood from my strong hive with a empty foundation > from my week hive. (Making sure I didn't move the queen with it) > > I've noticed before this time 4 or 5 peanut shaped queen cell at the > very bottom of my strong hive. My weak hive also has 4 or 5 queen > cells at the bottom, plus 6 or 7 cells which have been converted from > drone or worker cells. > > When I told him of this, he suggested that as long as I see eggs in > the cells, I should remove the queen cells. (since he felt that they > were ready to swarm) Unfortunately, either I my vision is horrible > or I just can't see the eggs. I did see however 5 to 8 day old > larvae in both hives. I removed the queen cells from my stronger > hive, but left them, for now, in my weak hive. Thinking maybe that > the queen may not be laying sufficiently. > > My questions are....Are my bees working slower than normal for my > Connecticut location? and.. What should I do about the queen cells? > Does it seem apparent that they are going to swarm? The way I learned it, bees will swarm for 3 reasons. 1. There isn't enough space in the hive. 2. Supercedure (either the queen is getting old or isn't able to lay as many eggs as necessary). 3. Poor ventilation. If your strong hive is completely filling both deep brood chambers and they have queen cells laid, it's time to put a honey super on top of your hive. That's the good part of beekeeping !! If your queen is old or not able to lay a good solid pattern of larvae, then you will have to requeen (order a new queen, kill the old queen, and install the new queen). Adding a full frame of brood into your new nuc is a good idea to help strengthen the nuc as well as adding a new empty frame into the old hive when it sounds like they may be needing more space. As far as the rate of drawing out comb.... Who knows ? Each colony of bees that I have had has each gone along at their own pace. Weather, forage, queen strength, etc. are all variables that can and do change the production rate of the bees !! Good Luck !! From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Fri May 21 08:14:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Records Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:12:52 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default> <19990515151159.17929.00001742@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: BobPursley In-Reply-To: <19990515151159.17929.00001742@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17583 On 15 May 1999, BobPursley wrote: > Date: 15 May 1999 19:11:59 GMT > From: BobPursley > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Records > > In article <01be9e5c$33df3ac0$db83a6c3@default>, "ogg" > writes: > > > > >As a relative newcomer to the hobby, I can see the need for hive records. > >But what exactly should these contain. Has anybody out there got a copy of > >a "typical" record sheet that I can copy. > > > >Ian > > > > Dr CC Millers book is great on this, as I recall, each visit he > > recorded hive number, weight, number frames brood, amount of honey removed, > condition of stores, queen status( including if he added a cell, or killed q), > any disease treatment or need for, queen cells, that is all I remember, you > need his book. > Do not collect data just to collect data. Collect data because it is important enough to you to track the trends over time. That should pare the list down considerably. most stuff you want simply to plan for your next yard visit (supers, which hives are in trouble and need special attention, just like a nurse on rounds). that's your short-term stuff. production records, if you feel the need to keep it. that depends on the purpose of your operations. read the book. Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From barry@birkey.com Fri May 21 08:14:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-city codes Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:39:58 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7i2h72$m94$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7hc95f$avg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <5468-374482F4-39@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> <7i288b$lp2$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17584 In article <7i288b$lp2$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> , "George Styer" wrote: > something more general like "removable frames". I realize that THB frames > are removable but I have heard of local laws that by their wording it is > clear that the intent of the law is to pretty much restrict you to > Langstroth-type hives. I think these probably largely result from the input > and complaints of ag inspectors that don't want to spend alot of time in > their manipulations. > > On the otherhand, what are they going to do? Do the Langstroth police pay > you a visit? Come on George, you get so hypersensitive at just the thought of the word Langstroth. I don't like it anymore than you do when the TBH police come snoopin' around my yard threatening me with a lawsuit because I'm "forcing" my bees to live in unnatural hive conditions using them there Langstroth contraptions. ;>) If you don't want to be breaking the law then I suggest you check with your local zoning laws and if you happen to live as a suburban or a city dweller you will more than likely find that you can not keep beehives on your property. I happen to be in an unincorporated area with a lot of forest preserve around me but the law states that I must be on five acres or more to keep bees as it falls under the agriculture laws. I've chosen to keep the bees anyway as I have less than five acres. I doubt a single zoning official even knows what a Langstroth or TBH is so put the shotgun away as the police really aren't coming to get you. Regards, -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri May 21 08:14:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:34:02 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3744C61A.B223EB58@valley.net> References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990520134048.14551.00002809@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-108.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17585 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > In article <19990520134048.14551.00002809@ng-co1.aol.com>, > pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > > > From: tim@ipeg.com > > > > >What is the proper placement fo Apistan strips? > > >Should they be wedged vertically between the frame > > >endbars or what? > > > > Place between the top bars in the cluster of bees and brood. If the bees > > are not in direct contact, it won't do much good. > > Are you saying to lay the strips across the top of the foundations? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com no, stick them down vertically between the frames. when you peel the strips apart, you will see that they are notched/scored/cut on one end. bend that over [really bend it, so it stays bent, when you release it], so the top inch or so of strip is perpendicular to the rest of the strip. slide it down between the frames lengthwise, with the perpendicular tab on top, until the tab reaches the top of the frames and rests on them. that's it. if you squish a few bees in the process, that's normal. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From markm@ntplx.net Fri May 21 08:14:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: markm@ntplx.net (mmm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question about queens Message-ID: <3744779b.30517654@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:00:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.188.173 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 927234089 204.213.188.173 (Thu, 20 May 1999 17:01:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:01:29 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17586 I've started my first two hives about 6 weeks ago. They came via nukes, Four frames which were wintered with the queen from Vermont. I check once a week for progress, to see how quickly they are filling the foundations. To me, they seem to be making really slow progress. At the end of the first six weeks, one hive has completed only one (two sides) foundation, while the other made about 2 1/2 . The man whom I received the bees, suggested that I replace a foundation of capped brood from my strong hive with a empty foundation >from my week hive. (Making sure I didn't move the queen with it) I've noticed before this time 4 or 5 peanut shaped queen cell at the very bottom of my strong hive. My weak hive also has 4 or 5 queen cells at the bottom, plus 6 or 7 cells which have been converted from drone or worker cells. When I told him of this, he suggested that as long as I see eggs in the cells, I should remove the queen cells. (since he felt that they were ready to swarm) Unfortunately, either I my vision is horrible or I just can't see the eggs. I did see however 5 to 8 day old larvae in both hives. I removed the queen cells from my stronger hive, but left them, for now, in my weak hive. Thinking maybe that the queen may not be laying sufficiently. My questions are....Are my bees working slower than normal for my Connecticut location? and.. What should I do about the queen cells? Does it seem apparent that they are going to swarm? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri May 21 08:14:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Fri, 21 May 99 02:18:49 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 86 Message-ID: References: <19990515050726.02102.00000897@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.82 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 03:18:06 GMT X-Trace: 927256686.471.10 KRFRRPH9I1C52CF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17587 Hi, My bees ignored the feeders, when I stuck them in the door . The feed dripped down, and soaked the dirt, in front of the hive . And, I was getting worried about their lackluster progress at building up their numbers . FORCE FEEDING : Eventually, I gave up, and removed the frames from a super, and put the feeders inside the hive . If they dripped, they'd drip on the frames . THAT DID IT ! Ever since I did that, they've done very-much better . Kinda dumb, I guess, but it worked for me . And, where before, there might be a couple of bees in the feeders, now there's a dozen in each feeder, and others milling around the area . It's still not my first choice, and I had to lay a blanket over the crack left from having the jar prop open the top board, but the bees seem to like it, and so long as THEY'RE happy ... (I gotta get another deep super.) Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/15/99 12:31PM, in message , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: In article <19990515050726.02102.00000897@ng-ca1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > >I put out 26 oz of 1/1 bee food this morning. This afternoon, the jar was > >dry. Are they EATING all this, or > > prob eating it > > how is jar set up ? It has a metal screw-on top with about a dozen holes in it, and the jar and top are turned ass-wise up and placed in the metal "feeder holder" sent with Dadant's starter kit. It doesn't appear to be leaking. This morning I moved it into a shady location, still near the hive, to see if that has any effect. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri May 21 08:14:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:56:16 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3744CB50.71BE39E4@valley.net> References: <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990512180501.29957.00001152@ng-xa1.aol.com> <7i16m9$55o6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-108.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17588 Shelley Corbin wrote: > well, when i went to pick up my bees, my seller told me i didnt need to > feed them because he has given them honey and pollen frames. so i am > happy about that. welllllllll. the honey frames will give them something to feed on, but 1) that food supply may get depleted fairly quickly, if the colony is of decent size and has lots of brood, and 2) you want to simulate a nectar flow, so they will draw out lots of foundation as quickly as possible. to do that, you need to feed 'em syrup. if a flow is on in your area, they may opt to get their food 'naturally,' but i think it is a good idea to at least offer them syrup and see if they will take it. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:14:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee vacuum - free plans to make one yourself Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:40:45 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3744e10e.205875869@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <374046E6.3738@saltspring.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-29.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 20 11:40:49 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17589 Hi Stephen & All, If you'd like free plans to make youre own, e-mail either myself or Barry Birkey (www.birkey.com) and we'll be glad to send you the temporary link (permanent link in progress) for a great Bee-Vac (for non-commercial/non-business use only). As for the pluses & minuses, all you have to do is talk to someone who's used one and you'll never look back. You can remove a swarm in minutes or take out a feral hive you wouldn't otherwise attempt - and with hardly any dead bees if done correctly. Today I pulled off a swarm from a post which couldn't be 'shaken' and had 1/2 of the bees inbetween a fence & the post. I'm not sure how you could have retreived the swarm without a bee-vac. Only three dead bees lay on the bottom of the box when I was through. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA (note: - out for the weekend & will reply this coming Tues to any replies) On Mon, 17 May 1999 09:42:14 -0700, stephen ball wrote: >could anyone direct towards plans for the much talked about vac..Is it >as effective as described?Drawbacks? Thanks in advance stephen ball From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Fri May 21 08:14:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Imkereibedarf Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 05:02:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7i2pdj$5dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 21 05:02:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.46, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17590 "Oberhauser" wrote: > Wer kennt Bezugsquellen für Imkereibedarf in Tschechien und Ungarn? Translation: Who knows (is familiar with) sources for beekeeping supplies in the Czech Republic and Hungary? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From abchome@webzone.net Fri May 21 08:14:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3744E6EA.132F4EF2@webzone.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:54:03 -0500 From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: mmm Subject: Re: question about queens References: <3744779b.30517654@news.ntplx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.152.96.33 X-Trace: 20 May 1999 23:58:17 -0600, 208.152.96.33 Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 51 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.53!pull-feed.cwix.com!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.96.33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17591 Remove the queen cells, now!! do not wait till tomorrow, it may be to late!!! You do not have enough drones around to mate a new queen with unless there are some strong hives in the area where you live. You should speed up your new hives by feeding them sugar-water with a boardman feeder and watch to see how fast they are eating it. Normally you are told to use a 2 to one solution (2 water to 1 sugar) for spring but for comb building I suggest half and half sugar and water (no flavors or colors) and even a pollen substitute would help them build up faster. (If they do not need it they will not take it so if they do not take it do not think there is something wrong.) If they continue to build queen cells keep killing them and order a new queen, A queen that wants to swarm will swarm year after year!! A good queen will produce 100 to 200 pounds of honey for me per year but a queen that wants to swarm will only produce enough honey to keep them going, We all end up with a bad queen once in a while but do not feel bad about getting rid of a bad one, (yea you will feel bad but try not to) Donald mmm wrote: > I've started my first two hives about 6 weeks ago. They came via > nukes, Four frames which were wintered with the queen from Vermont. > > I check once a week for progress, to see how quickly they are filling > the foundations. To me, they seem to be making really slow progress. > At the end of the first six weeks, one hive has completed only one > (two sides) foundation, while the other made about 2 1/2 . > > The man whom I received the bees, suggested that I replace a > foundation of capped brood from my strong hive with a empty foundation > from my week hive. (Making sure I didn't move the queen with it) > > I've noticed before this time 4 or 5 peanut shaped queen cell at the > very bottom of my strong hive. My weak hive also has 4 or 5 queen > cells at the bottom, plus 6 or 7 cells which have been converted from > drone or worker cells. > > When I told him of this, he suggested that as long as I see eggs in > the cells, I should remove the queen cells. (since he felt that they > were ready to swarm) Unfortunately, either I my vision is horrible > or I just can't see the eggs. I did see however 5 to 8 day old > larvae in both hives. I removed the queen cells from my stronger > hive, but left them, for now, in my weak hive. Thinking maybe that > the queen may not be laying sufficiently. > > My questions are....Are my bees working slower than normal for my > Connecticut location? and.. What should I do about the queen cells? > Does it seem apparent that they are going to swarm? From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 08:14:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!WCG!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: garlic/pepper spray Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:43:07 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7i2utg$k62@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <7i163u$517k$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo3-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 21 1:36:32 AM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17592 Shelley Corbin wrote >aphids are destroying my honeysuckle and and rosebushes, and i want to >use a garlic/pepper spray, will this affect my honey bees? Use the spray only if you're bees are Italians! Just kidding. Seriously though, I don't believe the spray will affect your bees any by spraying your bushes. Honey bees are not that fond of Honeysuckle (nectar's too far down in the stem--better for bumblebees) or Roses anyway. Give them some Holly or Vitex though, and watch them work those bushes! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-city codes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 13:02:55 GMT References: <7i2h72$m94$1@eve.enteract.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990521090255.26168.00003967@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17593 Is the use of top bar hives considered to be natural beekeeping and the use of langstroth type hives considered to be unnatural beekeeping? From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 23 08:14:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacs are ready Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 12:35:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990521042815.11363.00001201@ng-fv1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990521083530.20828.00003507@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17594 Hey Kevin you know some of the big plywood companies will deliver your plywood allready cut to size. Specially with you being not all that far from Hickory. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From dkelley@soils.umn.edu Sun May 23 08:14:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping book Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:55:02 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 17 Message-ID: <37430906.3526EDD6@soils.umn.edu> References: <19990519131417.10855.00003150@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: x160-46.soils.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17595 You may be able to get some good information from the US Peace Corps. They have beekeeping projects in quite a few developing countries and try to utilize indigenous methods and materials. I know they have promoted the use of KTBH's, and have training manuals for their use. They have an information service called ICE (Information Collection and Exchange). The web address is www.peacecorps.gov; links should take you to ICE. Good luck. -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 From allend@internode.net Sun May 23 08:14:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Reversing hive bodies Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:08:23 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <000401bea1f8$acec9620$02000003@allend> References: <7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <7hkhss$esm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17596 > I am concerned that the hive bodies need to be reversed, but do not > know how to examine the hive to see if this should be done. > Can anyone out there tell me how to do this and what to look for, as > well as the criteria for reversing hive bodies. The bees likely never actually *need* reversing. Reversing is an expert technique that is done under certain conditions to get specific results. In the hands of a bee-ginner, reversing is likely to do more harm than good. The bees will do very nicely without any such manipulations. whta you need to know is when they need a super. There are many ways to know this, but the simplest is to lift the lid and notice if the bees are covering all the frames in the top brood box (assuming you are using two boxes for your brood chambers). If so, then tip the whole hive (both boxes) forward so you can see the bottom of the frames on the bottom box. If there are bees covering 2/3rds or more of them at mid-day, it is time to add a third box on top. In the process of tipping the hive forward, you should get an idea of how heavy the hive is. If it is quite a strain to tip it (heavy), then a third may be needed a little earlier than if it is lighter. If it is really light and there are no flowers blooming, or if it is always raining and the bees can't get out to work, then you may wish to feed. There is lot of info on feeding and all other topics that you can find by searching sci.agriculture.beekeeping at the DejaNews site in the tag line on this post. allen From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun May 23 08:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:37:46 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7hvgh6$rgu$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> <19990518025301.02113.00002423@ng-ca1.aol.com> <7hrov2$ekd$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.247 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927155558 28190 12.72.42.247 (19 May 1999 23:12:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 May 1999 23:12:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17597 Same question, 2 very different and somwhat conflicting answers. What at first appears to be a simple question has presented many more questions about bee behavior that as of yet are not definitively answered. This is what I see as the real benefit of this newgroup. You just don't get debate out of a book. Books have their place but sometimes discussion is more valuable. --- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail John asked about piping: > >>Yesterday I was checking on one of my hives and noticed an odd noise. I > >>wasn't sure if it was coming from my bees, or somewhere outside the > >>hive. > Kevin responds: > >This is the sound a queen makes to get the other queens ,,still inside their > >cells to click like her so she can kill them. > Adam responds: > > So where does queen piping fit into this? Well queens or virgin queens only > pipe when there are other virgins being held in cells. Held. Yes. By > workers. Why is this? > Ahhhhh. > > Perhaps it's the several levels of selection driving this behavior. > Rather than kill all the other virgins, (which would be simple) piping > causes them to remain in their cells, until the piping virgin leaves > with an after-swarm or cast. Then, the workers will allow another virgin > or several virgins out, either to pipe again, if it's one or to fight > if it's several. The amount of sealed brood usually determines how many > > Do some colonies pipe more than others? Do some colonies make "small virgin > swarms" and others make "large virgin/multi cast swarm/piping in swarmed > colonies? > Who knows. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 23 08:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping book Date: Fri, 21 May 99 17:19:32 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <19990519131417.10855.00003150@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.103 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:18:55 GMT X-Trace: 927310735.927.23 KRFRRPH9I1C67CF95C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17598 Hi, Excuse my ignorance, but why is it so hard to come up with a rectangular box, of a standard size to hold bees ? And, why not make frames out of whatever's available ? It's the spacing between the frames, that's important, not the construction material . Come up with a new cheaper material, and you might even create a niche to market them in the West . Years ago, I got advertisements from people trying to sell cardboard box hives, and with a good roof over them, they might even work . Good luck . Local people, years ago, tried dynamite boxes, as bee hives . They're generally the right size, strongly constructed, and sort-of waterproof . Turns out that bees are poisoned by tri-nitrates, same as people are(Oops.). Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/19/99 10:14AM, in message <19990519131417.10855.00003150@ngol04.aol.com>, Jajwuth wrote: Does anybody know of any books that describes beekeeping in developing countries. All I need is a title and I will put in a request at the library. I've yet to buy a beekeeping book I try to get them at the library. Thanks all Jajwuth From beefolks@home.com Sun May 23 08:14:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37458B8B.97071753@home.com> From: beefolks Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak hive. References: <6uk03.437$RU.3327787@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:38:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.26.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.md.home.com 927304709 24.3.26.37 (Fri, 21 May 1999 09:38:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:38:29 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17599 Michel Crichton wrote: > One of them is a... > The population is low but there is some > seemingly healthy brood, albeit not too much. The thing that worries me is > that in some of the unused frames with comb there are still some dead bees > that must have died over the winter. They are stuck head first in the comb > so that just their rear ends are sticking out. I have had this happen in some of my hives. The bees will be doing well in Feb-March, but by April, they are dead, covering covered brood, with plenty of honey around and on top of them. I have found that this is due to mites, and have decided to start treating with Apistan in the spring, well before honeyflow. Also, if the new bees don't remove the dead bees quickly, they could mildew and mold. Therefore, I just remove the frames with dead bees, and replace them with new foundation. > In the second "problem" hive, the population seems strong but I noticed that > there was not much external activity... > there is very few brood... Also there doesn't seem to be an overpopulation of drones... If you are seeing only drones, one of two things are likely. 1. The queen is old and needs to be replaced. 2. The queen has died, and you have a laying worker (workers will lay eggs in emergencies, but only drones, since they are not fertile). If this was my hive, I would suggest the latter. Unfortunately, laying workers tend to kill new queens. I have tried two things, with successs. The first was to wait until the hive was really weak, then combine it with another. The second was to add a couple of frames of brood WITH EGGS, and let them create a new queen on their own (which they then accepted). > Also I was thinking of uniting these two hive... > The book I was reading suggests a newspaper > method where you seperate the uniting brood boxes by a piece of newspaper... I have had great success using the newspaper method. I don't typically kill either queen, I let them sort that out for themselves. However, the possibility exists that they may both be too injured to lay well. I have been lucky so far in that this has not happened to me. Just lay the newspaper between the hives, and after a few days, they will have eaten through it, and be merrily on their way... Good luck with your hives. The Bee Lady From bobpursley@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping book Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 18:36:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990521143657.05083.00003762@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17600 In article , stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) writes: > > Excuse my ignorance, but why is it so >hard to come up with a rectangular box, >of a standard size to hold bees ? > > And, why not make frames out of >whatever's available ? > It's the spacing between the frames, >that's important, not the construction In third world countries, lumber is scarce, very scarce. Thus, the TBH. Uses little lumber, can be manipulated, and requires no precision tools to construct. Its use in this country is questionable, but I personally feel it is a an acceptable hive for a hobbist who restricts themselves to two or three hives. That point is opinion, and there are a lot of them on this hive. From jkimbro@midtown.net Sun May 23 08:14:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Epipen Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:43:56 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927312560 38BMS018M6564CDA2C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17601 I heard there was something new on the allergic reaction front. Has anyone heard about it? From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun May 23 08:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Fri, 21 May 99 12:59:43 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17602 In article HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: >> >> I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 >> pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. >> >> jm > >From what I've read it's measured by volume, not weight... > >True or false? Anyone? > This whole discussion is one that always makes me want to scream! That so many people will spend so much time on so many lists discussing this to such depths is just folly! Everyone who engages in this discussion just isn't getting the Zen of keeping bees! There is NO rocket science to mixing sugar to water in the spring or in the fall whether it be by weight OR by volume. There are no quality control bees testing the molarity of the syrup you feed them who reject a batch because the specs say 1:1 sugar to water by volume in the spring and 2:1 sugar to water by weight in the fall. What is everyone thinking? A bee comes by to the feeder in the spring and asks, "Hey, where's the syrup?" and another bee replies, "Oh they sent it back because it didn't meet USDA requirements for 1:1 sugar syrup by weight in the spring!". COME ON FOLKS, END THIS DISCUSSION! Think of what it is you're doing when you feed your bees. In the spring you are feeding your bees to simulate a nectar flow and to stimulate your queens to lay more eggs. In the spring you want "runny syrup" like nectar. 1:1 is a RULE OF THUMB, not emperical chemestry. By weight or volume? WHO CARES!!! Make it runny. Know what? If it's .89324:1 sugar to water, your bees won't care, it'll be runny and it will have the desired spring time effect of simulating a nectar flow and stimulating your queen. In the fall you are feeding your bees to add winter stores. In the fall you want your syrup THICK! Not thick as in those who continue this inane thread, thick as in what you get when you keep adding sugar to hot water until no more sugar will disolve, which coincidently is about 2 parts sugar to one part water by weight AND by volume!!! It's almost too amazing to be coincidence!!!!!!!!!! So please, put me out of my misery and end this topic once and for all. Spring, runny - fall, thick. Forget 1:1 and 2:1, weight or volume, just repeat, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick". Everyone reading this right now, stop for a moment and say out loud, "Spring, runny fall, thick". That's how Tarzan remembers it, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick". It's really that simple, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick". Throw away your measuring cups and your triple beam balances and repeat after me, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick!" There's freedom and bliss in this mantra if you just repeat, "Spring, runny - fall, thick!". Now, can we please get back to serious beekeeping? Aaron Morris - thinking "Spring, runny - Fall, thick"! From tceisele@mtu.edu Sun May 23 08:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu.MISMATCH!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: 21 May 1999 19:48:10 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7i4d9q$3at$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17603 Aaron Morris wrote: : In article : HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: : : >> : >> I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 : >> pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. : >> : >> jm : > : >From what I've read it's measured by volume, not weight... : > : >True or false? Anyone? : > : : This whole discussion is one that always makes me want to scream! That What you say is probably true. Please don't scream, though, it isn't that bad :-) I agree that, as far as the bees are concerned, getting it exactly right probably doesn't matter a great deal, and I'm sorry if I (among others) aggravated you with this. In my defense, my daily work involves making a lot of mixtures where precision *does* matter, where reproducibility is the whole problem. I have to spend a lot of time explaining to graduate students why you can't just grab a measuring scoop to dole out powders, if you expect to get consistent results, so I tend to worry about these things. Of course, it certainly won't do the bees any *harm* if one takes a little time to get the mixture exact, will it? Come on, let us have our fun arguing about the best way to do it :-) Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 23 08:14:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Date: Fri, 21 May 99 17:31:15 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> <19990509164911.26170.00000832@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.103 X-Trace: 927311438 Y.AP37JYI1C67CF95C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17604 Hi, I'd like to know where ! Around here, used bee equipment does not exist, unless it's totally rotten . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/9/99 1:49PM, in message <19990509164911.26170.00000832@ngol01.aol.com>, Queenmkr wrote: The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 each. I can't put a box together for that. Mark From bobpursley@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 18:38:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990521143851.05083.00003763@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17605 In article , stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) writes: > > Around here, used bee equipment does >not exist, unless it's totally rotten . > That is usually the case. Once in a great while you can find some good stuff. Local beekeepers clubs are the most reliable source of info on this. County Ag Folks sometimes are a help, but this varies widely. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun May 23 08:14:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:17 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7i4dud$17c$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.116 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 927316749 1260 12.72.42.116 (21 May 1999 19:59:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 1999 19:59:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17606 Thank you Aaron for you eloquence. Been thinking the same thing but was too lazy to take the time to post. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Aaron Morris wrote in message news:18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu... Aaron Morris - thinking "Spring, runny - Fall, thick"! From lauramleek@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 05:34:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990518232550.13057.00002194@ng-fh1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990519013427.22561.00002134@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17607 Well, I do have books and in the "complete guide to beekeeping" and "Beekeeper's Handbook" I could not find any reference to "strange noises" I did find piping on the glossary of one but only because Kevin gave me the terminology to use. I hang out on the sidelines reading. Trying to answer some of the questions to myself. I belong to a beekeepers association. Three weeks AFTER receiving my packages, they gave a class on hiving packages. A little too little too late. I have books, I belong to an association. I come here to learn. I think some of the "Old salts" tend to forget they too, were new. What I guess I do not understand is, If the books have all the answers, what is the board for? Just to trade fishing stories? No one is obligated to answer any questions. I do not believe THIS ISN'T BRAIN SURGERY and BUY A BOOK is an appropriate response. Most of us are trying to do what is right and so what if we ask some stupid questions? What does it really matter as long as we learn >from them? Laura From allend@internode.net Sun May 23 08:14:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:02:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7i37fh$fck$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hrqbe$ena$1@golux.radix.net> <7hvihq$rsi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hvf4u$k6v$1@golux.radix.net> <7i0j7i$igk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i35bq$dvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 21 09:02:41 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.178 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17608 > Did you see the research on "spying on the US Postal system" > in the research notes in ABJ - it showed temp variations ranging from > about freezing to well over 100 degrees Fahrenheit in a single > shipment of queens with temp recording monitors also enclosed. Not surprised. I also wonder about impact from rough handling in the Post Office. I have talked to beekeepers with European and Eastern Canadian experience with shipping cells around, and they use a mixture of sand and sawdust for packing, as I recall. I wonder, in such a pack, how much heat the pupae themselves generate -- and how it is dissipated. I also wonder about the need for air to breathe. > But yes the queen cells in the near emergence state can easily handle > being outside incubator for hours so long as they don't get cooked. > Getting slowly chilled seems not to be as harmful and results as per > Adam's observation in delayed emergence. Yup, I think you are right. I've heard rumours about commercial breeders cooling cells to delay emergence. Hmmm. I wonder if anyone knows exactly what constitutes 'cooked'? I am pretty sure that the cells are much more sensitive to heating than cooling , degree for degree, but don't know the upper limits. I suspect that the upper limit limit for temperature is likely fairly close to the normal 95.5 degrees that I have measured in the brood area of hives, and would imagine that 100 degrees or so would be lethal in short order I notice most people use 92 degrees for incubators, and I ascribe that to the need for a safety margin, rather than a desire to duplicate hive conditions? FWIW, in transit, it isn't just the Post Office that has trouble keeping temperatures constant for bees. When installing cells, it is amazing how the temperature will skyrocket -- even in an insulated cooler -- if the sun gets to shine on it for a few moments, even on a coolish day. I was taking a hundred cells out to yards the other day and had a big cooler on the seat with lots of water bottles inside. Somehow, in the fifteen minutes it took me to get to the yard, the cooler internal temp got to 96.8 degrees from about ninety while I was concentrating on driving and my helper was concentrating on the tales I was telling. When I glanced at the thermometer, I just about had a stroke. Anyhow, all's well that ends well, and the queens-to-bee seemed to still be wiggling their little butts in their cells (love those transparent JayZee BeeZee cups) so I put them into splits, and I guess time will tell. And I suppose my wife (who does the cell work) may forgive me some day. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 23 08:14:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: K Wing (Was: T. Mites) Date: Fri, 21 May 99 06:03:08 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hvciv$gto@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7i14sp$1oj8$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.118 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:02:26 GMT X-Trace: 927270146.756.31 KRFRRPH9I9876CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17609 Hi, I wouldn't respond to this, if I saw other postings to your title, but since there are none, or they haven't reached my news server, I'll do my ignorant best . I've never heard of healthy bees, that weren't busy as bees . Maybe in the dead of winter, but not in neither the fall, or spring, should they be lethargic, unless it's winter-cold . They have to generate heat, to keep from freezing to death . Think about it, even people can die of exposure, in fairly moderate temperatures, if they've no source of warmth . Something is wrong, and it sounds like it's getting late to start doing something about it . If I were you, I'd pick one, or two of the real experts, and post to their personal email addresses . Quick . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/20/99 4:00PM, in message , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: In article <7i14sp$1oj8$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > do you have to feed bees when they are too weak to forage? with like, > sugar water and pollen substitute? > I've been feeding them since I put them in. They're taking about 24 oz. of 1:1 sugar water a day. They still seem to be foraging, at least some of them... Maybe I overreacted yesterday. There ARE a lot of them that don't fly readily, even when I poke at 'em, and that have their wings up and spread. But maybe they don't have tracheal mites. One local beekeeper suggested I treat for nosema. Advice, anyone? What I was wondering is this... the package went in about 5 weeks ago, and the queen's been laying like hell. Is it possible these are baby bees? That might explain why they don't fly, but, would it explain the spread-out wings? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From griffes@my-dejanews.com Sun May 23 08:14:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:26:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7i35bq$dvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hrqbe$ena$1@golux.radix.net> <7hvihq$rsi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7hvf4u$k6v$1@golux.radix.net> <7i0j7i$igk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.20 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 21 08:26:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17610 Howdy Allen, et al, I got your email and must be very quick with this response. Our hold the queens at room temp for 24 hours phase of experiment worked fine with cells 10 days past grafting. BUT when shipped through mail everything went awry on replication (had worked once) so we SUSPECT rapid temperature fluctuations to be the culprit. Did you see the research on "spying on the US Postal system" in the research notes in ABJ - it showed temp variations ranging from about freezing to well over 100 degrees Fahrenheit in a single shipment of queens with temp recording monitors also enclosed. But yes the queen cells in the near emergence state can easily handle being outside incubator for hours so long as they don't get cooked. Getting slowly chilled seems not to be as harmful and results as per Adam's observation in delayed emergence. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From johnbee@iaxnet.co.uk Sun May 23 08:14:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:06:16 +0100 Organization: Cable Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7i4m72$ed8$1@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> References: <19990518132617.24410.00002034@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19990519015812.28133.00002204@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.28.6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17611 A handy way to make up 2:1 sugar syrup is to pour the required ammount of sugar into a vessel and mark the level. Pour on boiling water until the water reaches the mark (stir to release air bubbles). Stir until the sugar dissolves. This method works well for small quantities; the sugar is hard to stir by hand for larger amounts -- John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com If you don't change direction, you'll end up where you're going From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacs are ready NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 22:22:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990521083530.20828.00003507@ng-cf1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990521182240.02113.00004341@ng-ca1.aol.com> Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17612 >Hey Kevin you know some of the big plywood companies will deliver your >plywood >allready cut to size. Specially with you being not all that far from Hickory. > > >Tom Yeah I know and charge huge prices as well seems like every time i haul a order up there i go a little more in the hole. Like this time, the plywood went way up from last time, the package cages went up due to lumber prices, the hose went up due to the guy i'm buying from deciding to make a bigger buck, the wife spilled a whole can of that 20.99 a gal exterior paint and to top it all off the kids used one a my 8x12 lables so that left me with only 19.. had to spend another 12 bucks for another box a labels. The damn printer cartridge went dry printing out the instructions so that wasted about 20 sheets of paper. I just don't know if its worth the trouble.. at least not at the price he's selling them for now, And brushy is hell bent on not changing any prices till next year. And to beat all that when i got there they had already backordered 4 of the ones i delivered today so that only leaves 16 before he's calling me again. 156 miles one way, man my butt is sore Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From johnbee@iaxnet.co.uk Sun May 23 08:14:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-reference material Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:31:42 +0100 Organization: Cable Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7i4m74$ed8$2@nclient3-gui.server.ntli.net> References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> <19990518113830.05086.00002885@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.28.6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17613 Anglin wrote: > When I was an undergraduate, It eas possible to get photocopies of items > in the "Special Collections" area for a small charge- 10 cents a page back > in the late 80's The International Bee Research Association (IBRA) have a comprehensive collection of bee literature (all bees, not just honeybees). For a fee, amount depending on complexity of search, they can provide extracts. If you then want more information on specific references, they can provide photocopies, subject to the usual limitations on copies for personal studies. Members of IBRA get worthwhile reductions on the charges, for only UK£37 (US$67) per year, and also get the quarterly journal 'Bee World' More information e-mail ibra@cardiff.ac.uk . Website http://www.cf.ac.uk/ibra/ -- John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com If you don't change direction, you'll end up where you're going From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 23 08:14:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-71.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:54:23 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.47 X-Server-Date: 21 May 1999 20:54:44 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17614 Lessee... are you saying, in a nutshell, that this thread makes you THICK? (getit???) In article <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > In article > HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) writes: > > >> > >> I always have trouble remembering that 2:1 sugar syrup means 2 pounds to 1 > >> pound -- NOT 2 cups to 1 cup. Big difference. > >> > >> jm > > > >From what I've read it's measured by volume, not weight... > > > >True or false? Anyone? > > > > This whole discussion is one that always makes me want to scream! That > so many people will spend so much time on so many lists discussing this > to such depths is just folly! Everyone who engages in this discussion > just isn't getting the Zen of keeping bees! There is NO rocket science > to mixing sugar to water in the spring or in the fall whether it be by > weight OR by volume. There are no quality control bees testing the > molarity of the syrup you feed them who reject a batch because the specs > say 1:1 sugar to water by volume in the spring and 2:1 sugar to water by > weight in the fall. What is everyone thinking? A bee comes by to the > feeder in the spring and asks, "Hey, where's the syrup?" and another bee > replies, "Oh they sent it back because it didn't meet USDA requirements > for 1:1 sugar syrup by weight in the spring!". > > COME ON FOLKS, END THIS DISCUSSION! Think of what it is you're doing > when you feed your bees. In the spring you are feeding your bees to > simulate a nectar flow and to stimulate your queens to lay more eggs. > In the spring you want "runny syrup" like nectar. 1:1 is a RULE OF > THUMB, not emperical chemestry. By weight or volume? WHO CARES!!! > Make it runny. Know what? If it's .89324:1 sugar to water, your bees > won't care, it'll be runny and it will have the desired spring time > effect of simulating a nectar flow and stimulating your queen. > > In the fall you are feeding your bees to add winter stores. In the fall > you want your syrup THICK! Not thick as in those who continue this inane > thread, thick as in what you get when you keep adding sugar to hot water > until no more sugar will disolve, which coincidently is about 2 parts > sugar to one part water by weight AND by volume!!! It's almost too > amazing to be coincidence!!!!!!!!!! > > So please, put me out of my misery and end this topic once and for all. > Spring, runny - fall, thick. Forget 1:1 and 2:1, weight or volume, just > repeat, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick". Everyone reading this right now, > stop for a moment and say out loud, "Spring, runny fall, thick". That's > how Tarzan remembers it, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick". It's really that > simple, "Spring, runny - Fall, thick". Throw away your measuring cups > and your triple beam balances and repeat after me, "Spring, runny - Fall, > thick!" There's freedom and bliss in this mantra if you just repeat, > "Spring, runny - fall, thick!". > > Now, can we please get back to serious beekeeping? > > Aaron Morris - thinking "Spring, runny - Fall, thick"! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From beetools@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 22:07:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3745B48B.E9266B65@ims.com> Message-ID: <19990521180732.28137.00003241@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17615 The number one way to get swarm calls is to have a Yellow Pages listing under "Beekeeping" (as in beekeeping supplies). But since most of you are smart enough NOT to get into that end of the business, a sure-fire to get swarm call is to contact pest control sevices in the area each Spring and give them your name. All the pest control people (oops, had to come back and put "control" in there to differenate them from "pest peolpe") I've met have no interest (business or otherwise) is blasting a swarm of bees - they are just about a comfortable around a swam as the average citizen. The last thing they want to deal with is a pest that can fight back. I had a freind here in Salem OR do that last year and he had to beg off after 60 swarms. If you do have a local beekeeping supply dealer in your area, call them and get on their swarm call list. Good Luck, Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Sun May 23 08:14:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need super plans Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:08:23 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7i3ulk$eso@news1.snet.net> References: <7hs516$t1t@news1.snet.net> <7hsotd$b9t@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh4-port181.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17616 Correction to my earlier post, the article is in the April 99 issue of "Bee Culture" not the May issue, sorry for any inconvenience! The same issue also lists contact information for several beekeepers' clubs in CT (and in other states also). Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply wrote in message <7hsotd$b9t@news1.snet.net>... >1)(My preference) Start out raising cut comb honey instead of extracted - >Taylor has an excellent article in (I think) May 99 "Bee Culture". Basically >you just use unwired foundation (or wax strips), cut the whole comb out, and >sell at the end of the season. It fetches a higher price, makes a more >impressive gift, and requires less equipment. > From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sun May 23 08:14:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-city codes Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:59:30 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7i2h72$m94$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990521090255.26168.00003967@ngol01.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 21 May 1999 22:55:50 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri May 21 16:05:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp249.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3745e411.36619123@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17617 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Is the use of top bar hives considered to be natural beekeeping and the use of >langstroth type hives considered to be unnatural beekeeping? Barry was only joking. Quinby wrote about 130 years ago: "variations >from the simple box are for the benefit of man, not the bees." -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms better than packages? Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1999 01:30:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990521213010.00967.00004162@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17618 I recently obtained 2 swarms. My thinking was that any feral colonies that have overwintered might have some natural resistance to mites, and some natural ability or affinity to live through New England winters. However, my first impressions of these new colonies is that they are far more aggressive than the two package colonies I set up in April. (The package bees are Carniolans, the feral bees are Italians.) According to the swarm catcher, one of the swarms wintered in a church tower and the other wintered in a tree, so I know they're both really feral. I've heard these statements about bee aggression: • Africanized bees aren't devastated by the Varroa mite the way other honey bees are. Africanized bees' agression leads them to groom each other more vigorously. • A University of Wisconsin entomologist writes in a book that several genetic strains of bees that were resistant to foulbrood were developed in the 1980s -- but the strains were destroyed because they were too aggressive to to work with. Is there a direct relationship between resistance to disease and mites and aggression? I'd like to use these swarms for increase if they have some natural resistance, but if the natural resistance I'm selecting for is aggression, maybe I should requeen. And if aggressive bees are the only ones that will survive in the long run, what's the point? Won't we all end up working with more aggressive bees anyway? Any comments welcome and thanks in advance, jm From raghiot@ix.netcom.com Sun May 23 08:14:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: raghiot@ix.netcom.com (RAG) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suggestions for rebuild Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:28:09 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3747041b.38680402@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <374188f3.24031854@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sji-ca41-46.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 21 8:28:14 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17619 On Mon, 17 May 1999 21:25:00 GMT, raghiot@ix.netcom.com (RAG) wrote: >Original post: >> After several years, I'm back with bees, albeit accidently. The CA >> earthquake took out my three hives, and there was little time to worry >> about them then. Seems like one of the trashed hives (I know, I >> _should_ have burned them.) picked up a swarm several weeks ago and is >> growing well from the looks of the traffic in and out, so I set it (a >> full size hive, sans supers) back in place (really, leveled the blocks >> in place, and cleared the flyway) and put a new, freshly framed full >> size hive above it. What I would like to do is get the bees with >> queen into the top unit and remove and destroy the lower which I am >> sure has (at the very least) moths and other 'critters' and start >> over. The condition of the old hive is such that it would result in >> total destruction of the colony were I to try to remove the frames and >> just transfer the bees. > Well, it is drum (I mean 'done'). At around 1600 hrs on a 70 degree F day, much to the entertainment of the neighbors and the wife (who wanted to take pictures) I drummed (for 25 minutes) on the side of the hive at about one second intervals with the handle of a hammer. The bees were not at all disturbed, and save for a larger than usual gathering on the enterance board, seemingly uneffected. I then placed the excluder between the old and new hive bodies and will wait for results. A quick check of the top hive seemed to show a large majority of bees congregated as far from the source of the drumming as they could get. Who knows. I intend to let it set for about 10 days before I disturb it to see if there is 'queen in residence' activity in the top hive. Either way, I'll post results. Thanks for all the ideas. Roger From lauramleek@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1999 00:45:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990521204525.20829.00004015@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17620 I agree with Aaron's post for the most part. One thing I think we all need to remember tho' is that we newbies have been told time and time again to read our books. We read our books and they say something different than what is posted. Of course we will discuss it. No matter how inane someone else feels the subject is, we should talk amongst ourselves. NO ONE started of in beekeeping all knowing. If you do not like the subject or are bored with it..move on to the next post, but please do not berate us for trying to learn to do it right the first time and THEN get our own rythm and style. Laura From honeybs@radix.net Sun May 23 08:14:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:35:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7i4v8e$3ck$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i3eh9$ham$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7i46f7$e03$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17621 "George Styer" wrote: >No need to shout Greg. Since strips are not packaged for individual sale, it >is not uncommon for the hobbiest buying just a few strips to receive them >with no label instructions since the supplier has to break up a package. >Sometimes you might have to ask for a copy. It is a busy time of year for >everybody and easy to overlook the details. I believe that it is illegal to sell any pestiside without a label attached. I doubt it is legal to break up a pack for sale either. Sort of like selling one cigarette at a time? The dealer must also have MSDS available too. Being a hobbyist is not an excuss for not reading and following the label. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1999 00:54:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990521205429.00967.00004151@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17622 Serious beekeeping ...if you spell that backwards in latin it reads, "cop an attitude." Ya'll must be that elite somebody was complaining about in another thread -- Now that we've pushed all your hot buttons, can you define "serious beekeeping?" :-) But seriously, folks... I thought part of the "Zen of keeping bees" was that you paid attention to details....Part of paying attention to details is that you pay attention to ALL the details. I think the original question was from a newbie and being answered by some other newbies. IMH newbie O, a little obsessive attention to detail might be a good quality to be encouraged among new beekeepers -- the alternative is, of course, a newbie with a casual attitude and vague notions of beekeeping moves in down the road from you spreading sickness and disease to all your hives 'cause she or he wasn't paying attention to details. Now that's something to cop an attitude about... jm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 23 08:14:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-118.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:32:22 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <19990521205429.00967.00004151@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.76 X-Server-Date: 22 May 1999 02:34:36 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17623 FWIW... I think this is a new record for number of posts to a thread that I've started, in ANY NG! I think it's all in the creative subject-line. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise?/Books Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 May 1999 10:41:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3742BCA2.107EB793@uiowa.edu> Message-ID: <19990520064114.16477.00002497@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17624 >There is the statement that the hive must not have any medications for >six weeks prior to the addition of supers Very true !!! If not from a medical standpoint from a ethical one. course if you're not gonna eat any honey or sell it then do what ya want Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From afichera@iol.it Sun May 23 08:14:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!i2unix!newsfeed.iol.it!not-for-mail From: "Alessandro Fichera" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TABEC - seeking distributors, dealers, retailers, etc. Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:06:17 +0200 Organization: Italia Online Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7i1683$c8r$2@hermes.iol.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-parma83-237.iol.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17625 T A B E C -- S. r. l. Italian Beekeeping Company Tabec S.r.l. was born in Guastalla (Italy) by energy and competence of the present owners. 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Giacomo di Guastalla Reggio Emilia - ITALY Tel. +39 0522 831206 Fax. +39 0522 831114 E-mail: afichera@iol.it tabec@tin.it From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sun May 23 08:14:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee vac plans Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:43:47 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3745EFB3.1126@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.c1.2f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 22 May 1999 03:38:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17626 To the supplier of bee vac plans - My mail to you bounced, so please send me a set. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 23 08:14:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sat, 22 May 99 02:40:04 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <19990521205429.00967.00004151@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.77 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:39:17 GMT X-Trace: 927344357.336.11 KRFRRPH9I1C4DCF95C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17627 Hi, You may be right about sci.ag.bees, but you're not even in the ballpark, for the political newsgroups . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/21/99 7:32PM, in message , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: FWIW... I think this is a new record for number of posts to a thread that I've started, in ANY NG! I think it's all in the creative subject-line. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 23 08:14:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sat, 22 May 99 03:12:33 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <19990521204525.20829.00004015@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.137 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:11:46 GMT X-Trace: 927346306.167.36 KRFRRPH9I9889CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17628 Hi, < ;-) > You're saying then, that if I re-queen my house, that I'll start understanding the bees, WITHOUT reading the books ? This bears thinking about . < /;-) > Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/21/99 5:45PM, in message <19990521204525.20829.00004015@ng-cf1.aol.com>, LauraMLeek wrote: I agree with Aaron's post for the most part. One thing I think we all need to remember tho' is that we newbies have been told time and time again to read our books. We read our books and they say something different than what is posted. Of course we will discuss it. No matter how inane someone else feels the subject is, we should talk amongst ourselves. NO ONE started of in beekeeping all knowing. If you do not like the subject or are bored with it..move on to the next post, but please do not berate us for trying to learn to do it right the first time and THEN get our own rythm and style. Laura From allend@internode.net Sun May 23 08:14:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:12:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7i5art$u6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 22 04:12:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17629 > The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I > inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get > out. I've seen that before. In fact, I've -- from time to time -- seen cases where *all* the candy was gone and the queen just ran around inside the cage ten full days after being installed using a standard three-hole mailing cage. Dumb? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe in such cases, the queen has actually been out and has gone back in. This often happens with virgins hatching from cells. Maybe it is not even the same queen. Maybe it is another seeking the rival? As for the cells -- assuming that there was a larva in each (you don't say, or how old)-- there must be more than one queen, or else she has been out of the cage. Where can a second queen come from? With package bees, it is not altogether unheard of for a hive's laying queen to get shaken into a package. In fact, it is somewhat common. When one buys packages, even from a big shipper, the bees can include packages purchased from neighbourhood side-lot beekeepers who want to make a few extra dollars and cut the risk of swarming in the bargain. Some of them may have some unusual methods of getting the bees into the packages that don't include the safeguards that we'll assume the big guys have in place. Besides, we all know that sometimes, when working with bees, things start to get uncomfortable and corners get cut in the rush to close things up. In the shuffle, the boxes get filled any which way. It all works out in the end, but you may get some queens and drones in the mix. Or maybe the hive being shaken to make the package was requeening itself at the very moment it was being shaken and the newly mated queen happened to come home and get confused, bypass the excluder -- if one was used -- and get into the funnel or the bulk bees... Or maybe a swarm was hanging in the package yard and seemed like a good bonus for the package producer. Or maybe a virgin got somehow shaken into the package and mated as soon as she got installed... Most assume that there is only one queen in a hive. This is mostly true, but at swarming time, all bets are off. Queens are everywhere and often fast-moving. Many fascinating possibilities. allen --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From Amschelp@pe.net Sun May 23 08:14:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news21.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Message-ID: References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.47 X-Trace: news21.ispnews.com 927345936 216.100.28.47 (Sat, 22 May 1999 00:05:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:05:36 EDT Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:09:45 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17630 Bee Bob tells me that if the honey is too thick the bees will store it. In article <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu says... > Make it runny. Know what? If it's .89324:1 sugar to water, your bees > won't care, it'll be runny and it will have the desired spring time > effect of simulating a nectar flow and stimulating your queen. > > In the fall you are feeding your bees to add winter stores. In the fall > you want your syrup THICK! > From jkimbro@midtown.net Sun May 23 08:14:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:08:14 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3746D66E.4111B7C5@midtown.net> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> <7i5lp8$2re$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927389637 38BMS018M654CCDA2C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17631 You're absolutely correct. Now,,,,,, I heard there was something new on the allergic reaction front, has anyone heard about it? (I know,,,I should probably have my morning cup of coffee before answering these!) Peter Edwards wrote: > Epipen has been around for many years. > > JKimbro wrote in message <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net>... > >I heard there was something new on the allergic reaction front. Has > >anyone heard about it? > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 23 08:14:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:52:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7i6qec$15i$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7i25sp$odm$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <01bea445$ace155e0$e980a19d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 927395084 1202 62.136.9.234 (22 May 1999 17:44:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 1999 17:44:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17632 I think that 10 mins is recommended for AFB - but a blowtorch is quicker and easier. 1 min is sufficient for preservation of the wood and would certainly kill any nosema, amoeba or chalkbrood. I did think about electrical heating, but decided against it due to the amount of heat required for that much wax. I understand that in New Zealand they use a tank set in a brick support with the firebox underneath and a proper chimney - rather like the old 'coppers' in the 'wash house' sometimes seen in older houses (I think more often in the North of England), which would be ideal if the 'copper' was big enough to hold a brood box. francis wrote in message <01bea445$ace155e0$e980a19d@default>... > > >> >> The most important things are: >You didn't mention the efficient sanitizing effect that treatment at 310F >(about 150 C) has on bacteria, spores, and molds. Treatment should be more >than just 'in-and-out' though, 5 minutes should be minimum From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Sun May 23 08:14:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swedish High-Density Styrofoam Hives Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:33:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7i6poi$rdb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 22 17:33:06 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.47, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17633 Not so long ago someone posted a question about Swedish hives and websites related to them, but I can't refind the thread. Here's a source of info I hope begins to answer the question. Gleaned from P-O Gustafsson's Homepage : >For more information about the Styrofoam Hives, contact the producer: > >LP:s Biodling >Torstensbyn 14 >S-661 94 Säffle >Sweden >Fax number +46 (0)533 63111. >e-mail biodling@algonet.se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 23 08:14:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive comb attachment Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1999 19:25:20 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17634 In theory there is not suppose to be sidewall attachment of comb. Although sometimes it happens. Would it make sense to line hive with non porous material to free up attachment? Would material alienate bees? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 23 08:14:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee vac plans Date: Sat, 22 May 99 18:30:43 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3745EFB3.1126@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.73 X-Trace: 927401402 Y.AP37JYI9849CE81C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17635 Hi, Heck . I'd like to hear a general description . Plans would be nice, but I doubt that I'd build it, if I had them . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/21/99 4:43PM, in message <3745EFB3.1126@mindspring.com>, David Smith wrote: To the supplier of bee vac plans - My mail to you bounced, so please send me a set. From jimbo007@webtv.net Sun May 23 08:14:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (Jim Roland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:56:53 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3059-3746EFE5-56@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRCaAniIuJfHyT6kITcR+ixPS3qlQIUDQfOFqI5JPHUFjgYaW5KarcTXy4= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17636 OK, I went back to the library and dug out the Plano Tx book. It states hives will be of Langstroth type with removable frames. They also have to be surrounded by 6 ft barrier with self closing gate. At least 25 ft from property line with 10 foot flyway. 1/2 acre of land limits me to 2 hives plus 1 nuc. Owners name address and phone number must be on hives. Only exception to boundary rule is undeveloped property. With 50 ft of undeveloped property in all directions fence is unneeded but a barrier to protect small children is still required.. Legalese still states if hive is bothersome to neighbors hive must be removed. Hives do not haveto be registered with city. I do not fear the Langstroth police as much as an idiot neighbor. One call to city hall and you are out of business around here.... From jkwade@onramp.net Sun May 23 08:14:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!ultraneo.neosoft.com!news-feeder.onramp.net!news.onramp.net!not-for-mail From: Veronique Wade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Multiple Postings Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:57:54 -0500 Organization: Temporal Industries Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3746FE31.32383860@onramp.net> Reply-To: jkwade@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: isdn1-43.austtx.onramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17637 Howdy, Who manages the BeeKeeping Discussion Group? My email submitter to the newsgroup was not working properly and kept timing out so I submitted the entry again. Seems like it's now listed 4 or 5 times: See: Africanized Colonies I can't seem to remove the multiple copies. Can the new group administrator please remove this messages along with the other entries so that only 1 shows up. Thanks......James From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1999 19:16:35 GMT References: <3059-3746EFE5-56@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990522151635.17932.00003194@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17638 I'm not sure that your city ordinance would rule out a top bar hive. Frames are still removable. Rules are probably tight because you are trying to do beekeeping in city versus rural setting. I assume the neighbour's complaint would have to be valid before they make you move hives . From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun May 23 08:15:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:16:01 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.162.61 X-Trace: 927407839 1NNUCNF1GA23DC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17639 Using non-porous material would perhaps create condensation within the hive. Have you seen what those bees do to metal spacers with propolis. Is this likely to happen to other non-porous materials? Jajwuth wrote in message <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com>... >In theory there is not suppose to be sidewall attachment of comb. Although >sometimes it happens. Would it make sense to line hive with non porous material >to free up attachment? Would material alienate bees? > From jkimbro@midtown.net Sun May 23 08:15:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:26:43 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37472113.D123358@midtown.net> References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i3eh9$ham$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7i46f7$e03$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <7i4v8e$3ck$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927408747 38BMS018M651ACDA2C usenet55.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17640 Legal or not,,,that's how I've been getting mine. Wrapped in foil, no labels. And that's from two separate and unaffiliated bee supply stores. Copies of what was the label are, of course, available for the asking. So quoting law just doesn't change real life. honeybs wrote: > "George Styer" wrote: > > >No need to shout Greg. Since strips are not packaged for individual sale, it > >is not uncommon for the hobbiest buying just a few strips to receive them > >with no label instructions since the supplier has to break up a package. > >Sometimes you might have to ask for a copy. It is a busy time of year for > >everybody and easy to overlook the details. > > I believe that it is illegal to sell any pestiside without a > label attached. I doubt it is legal to break up a pack for > sale either. Sort of like selling one cigarette at a time? > The dealer must also have MSDS available too. > > Being a hobbyist is not an excuss for not reading and > following the label. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > From Amschelp@pe.net Sun May 23 08:15:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple Postings Message-ID: References: <3746FE31.32383860@onramp.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.227 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 927407730 216.100.20.227 (Sat, 22 May 1999 17:15:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:15:30 EDT Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:19:40 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17641 Don't worry about it, dude. That reminds me of when I first logged onto CompuServe with my Radio Shack Model III and the acoustic 300 baud modem. I did not know it was processing satisfactorily so I jammed the key over and over and then I found out that I had to wait to process each individual jamming of the key. In article <3746FE31.32383860@onramp.net>, vmwade@onramp.net says... > Howdy, > > Who manages the BeeKeeping Discussion Group? > My email submitter to the newsgroup was > not working properly and kept timing out > so I submitted the entry again. Seems like > it's now listed 4 or 5 times: > > See: Africanized Colonies > > I can't seem to remove the multiple copies. > Can the new group administrator please > remove this messages along with the other > entries so that only 1 shows up. > > Thanks......James > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 23 08:15:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:41:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-92.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927411656 19096 62.136.14.220 (22 May 1999 22:20:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 1999 22:20:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17642 Does anyone believe that any hive is porous? All of the inner surface has a thin coating of propolis - and propolis is waterproof! Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com>... >Using non-porous material would perhaps create condensation within the hive. >Have you seen what those bees do to metal spacers with propolis. >Is this likely to happen to other non-porous materials? > From beeman221@my-dejanews.com Sun May 23 08:15:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:24:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7i7aq2$6p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <7i5art$u6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 22 22:24:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17643 In article <7i5art$u6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Allen Dick wrote: > > > The candy was almost gone but the queen was still inside, I > > inspected the hole and there should be no reason why she couldn't get > > out. I am posting this from Scotland. I have never delt with a packge in my life but I have read 40 years worth of the American bee journals for what that is worth. There appears to be a be a basic piece of biology missing here. The introduced package was "4" days old when the cage was checked and there were sealed queen cells after the same time? Sorry but there is a communciation problem here. 3 days an egg,5 days a larvae sealed day 8? Emerge 15-16 days in my experence with incubators and brooder hives. 1. Was the package "introduced into an empty hive" 2. If not, how sure was the beekeeper that the colony was queenless, ie test frame. > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AGRI-FINANCING Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 May 1999 10:33:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3739DC1A.5E0B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990514063356.17081.00000399@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17644 > They asked this old beekeeper what he would do if he won 1 million >> dollars. 'Keep bees until I run out'. >> Run out of what? Money or bees. Probably both at the same time. > > The first person in the world to go bankrupt was a beekeeper !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From honeybs@radix.net Sun May 23 08:15:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms better than packages? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:22:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7i7bt2$kk$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990521213010.00967.00004162@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17645 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > I recently obtained 2 swarms. My thinking was that any feral colonies that >have overwintered might have some natural resistance to mites, and some natural >ability or affinity to live through New England winters. > However, my first impressions of these new colonies is that they are far >more aggressive than the two package colonies I set up in April. >(The package bees are Carniolans, the feral bees are Italians.) You answered your own question. Carni's are usually doll babies to work with, especially if they are New World Carniolans. Sue doesn't believe in breeding bees that require a veil to work. Don't get me wrong there are some well bred gentle Italians out there too. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From apipop@club-internet.fr Sun May 23 08:15:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Destroying Africanized Colony Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:33:23 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7i7blq$mqk$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-3-105.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 927412730 23380 195.36.147.105 (22 May 1999 22:38:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 1999 22:38:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17646 Bonjour, In France we use SO² gas to kill wax moths and protect super combs during winter storage. I would assume it must work to kill bees. I would try to close the hive and inflate SO² in it. Here we can find SO² in bombs, but you can also produce it by burning sulfur in a metallic can inside an empty super on top of the hive. SO² is heavier than air and will flow down in the hive. Be very careful not to put fire to the hive ! The advantage is that SO² will be then easily dispersed by ventilating the hive but you will be in trouble with the larvae combs. I know a gay who simply pours a glass of gasoline into the hive and close it !!! I don't know if a new colony would appreciate the smell of a so treated hive. Good luck... apipop Veronique Wade a écrit dans le message : 3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net... > Howdy All, > > I have a colony that is africanized and I want to > destroy the colony but keep the comb intact > so that I can put a package in it. > > I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have > only been doing this about a year, and they > recommended using Resmethrin, and it > evaporates if you air the hive out. > > Does anyone know where I can get some > or is there another available product that > will do the same thing. What about permethrin? > > Cheers.......James > > From honeybs@radix.net Sun May 23 08:15:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:12:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7i7b9f$kk$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i3eh9$ham$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7i46f7$e03$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <7i4v8e$3ck$2@news1.Radix.Net> <37472113.D123358@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17647 JKimbro wrote: >Legal or not,,,that's how I've been getting mine. Wrapped in foil, no labels. >And that's from two separate and unaffiliated bee supply stores. Copies of what >was the label are, of course, available for the asking. So quoting law just >doesn't change real life. It doesn't seem wise though. You don't know how they have been handled, how long they have been opened, etc. It's things like this that help cause the mites to be able to survive and promote resistance. Thanks alot, that's just what we need. But I'm sure it doesn't matter to you. When you can no longer keep bees because of resistant mite problems, you will just go find another hobby. Please keep in mind, that such stupidity, may cause some of us to have to find another job. Using a pesticide without reading the label is just plain ignorant. When I was inspecting bees I never knew what I would find. Once I saw three strips in a hive body each being three inches wide! They just opened the pack and ripped them at the fold. I've seen the strips in honey supers too. And when they pull'em out, where do you suppose they put them? You got it, just about as far from the hive as they can fling them. Just because some people do it, doesn't make it right. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beeman221@my-dejanews.com Sun May 23 08:15:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weak hive. Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:44:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 86 Message-ID: <7i7c0i$7hp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <6uk03.437$RU.3327787@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 22 22:44:34 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17648 In article <6uk03.437$RU.3327787@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>, "Michel Crichton" wrote: > Hi all, > > Two of my hives are exhibiting some strange behaviour. One of them is a > hive I formed from a swarm last year. It did not fair so well over the > winter and when I checked them last, activity was concentrated mainly in > about 3 frames of the brood box. The population is low but there is some > seemingly healthy brood, albeit not too much. The thing that worries me is > that in some of the unused frames with comb there are still some dead bees > that must have died over the winter. They are stuck head first in the comb > so that just their rear ends are sticking out. Could this be a disease of > some sort or is the population simply too low to do basic house keeping? > > In the second "problem" hive, the population seems strong but I noticed that > there was not much external activity. Upon further inspection I noticed > that there is very few brood (even though as I said the population is quite > high). Also there doesn't seem to be an overpopulation of drones so I doubt > that the queen is only laying drones. Could the queen have died suddenly? > Will they build a supercedure cell on their own if she did or do I have to > put a queen in myself? Should I just wait a few days and see? > > Also I was thinking of uniting these two hive (if I can determine that the > weak hive is not diseased). The book I was reading suggests a newspaper > method where you seperate the uniting brood boxes by a piece of newspaper > and while the bees are "getting use" to each others pheremones etc. they > chew through the paper on their own. The book however is unclear whether or > not I am to kill one of the queens. Will they decide which one is stronger > on their own? Is this even a widely accepted method of uniting colonies? > Is it a good idea for me to be considering this course of action? > > Sorry about the long post but I am a little uncertain about how to proceed > from here. > > Any help with any aspect of this situation would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Mich > Hi Mitch from Scotland, For whats it worth this is what I would do. I would find and kill the quen in the second box you mention. I would unite the two using the time honoured newspaper method. The bees with the heads down syndrome have died from starvation which is a man made disease not a natural one! Place the queen right colony above the queenless one and wait for 10 days for the uniting to take place. Why? I don't know but all the books say so. I was looking this evening at three unites 2 days old and they are all well through their paper and in full communication with each other. I suspect the delay is to do with the risk of newly unitied colonies balling the queen. When you are sure all is well get the colony into one box. Why? Cosiness. Its may bee not an issue where you are but it is sure an issue here on the north east cost of Scotland! If they are too tight they will soon tell you but weak boxes don't like extra space. IT KILLS THEM! Best wishes to all from Scotland' Pete and Moira Watt. > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From obriens@sky.net Sun May 23 08:15:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:51:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 926689893 209.90.4.176 (Fri, 14 May 1999 08:51:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:51:33 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17649 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >And... um... yer wanker is the location of choice??? > Just one of the choices. There's many others. John From tim@ipeg.com Sun May 23 08:15:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tim@ipeg.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Advise? Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:21:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.55 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 20 16:21:31 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17650 What is the proper placement fo Apistan strips? Should they be wedged vertically between the frame endbars or what? --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-city codes Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 01:49:28 GMT References: <7i288b$lp2$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990520214928.10853.00003276@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17651 The inspector in my area advised me as follows when I asked him about top bar hives Top bar hives as long as the frames are movable so that they can be removed would be legal. The idea is to be able to look at the brood for disease control. I expected this answer but I just wanted confirmation before I setup my apiary with top bar hives. From jpa555@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: garlic/pepper spray Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 01:14:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7i163u$517k$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990522211452.22776.00003912@ng42.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17652 there is a couple of things that you can do like.....If you grow chives at the feet of the roses you will ward off aphids and alot of other pests or you can buy some Ladybugs they just love aphids you can sprinkle bone meal around the problem area and that will stop ants that spread alot of plant disease(ants also spread aphids) well Good luck From bobpursley@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 22:54:34 GMT References: <19990521180732.28137.00003241@ng-fu1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990521185434.10854.00003570@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17653 In article <19990521180732.28137.00003241@ng-fu1.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) writes: > >If you do have a local beekeeping supply dealer in your area, call them and >get >on their swarm call list. > > Local fire departments get many swarm calls, believe it or not. Leave your card there too. From jpa555@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 01:23:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17654 I also noticed Red pollen in the frames and my maples are all done and the oaks are done now also I was wondering if it came from Lylocks?? I live in western CT From cardinf@tis.ch Sun May 23 08:15:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial03.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Date: 22 May 99 10:31:33 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bea445$ace155e0$e980a19d@default> References: <7i25sp$odm$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17655 > > The most important things are: > > temperature around 310F - hotter and the wax may catch fire, cooler and you > simply coat the outside of the boxes with a layer of wax; > You didn't mention the efficient sanitizing effect that treatment at 310F (about 150 C) has on bacteria, spores, and molds. Treatment should be more than just 'in-and-out' though, 5 minutes should be minimum. I can't remember what the official recommendations are. Warning about the fire hazard is in place. An electric heating device - thermostated, if available - would be safer. francis From jkwade@onramp.net Sun May 23 08:15:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!ultraneo.neosoft.com!news-feeder.onramp.net!news.onramp.net!not-for-mail From: Veronique Wade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:29:54 -0500 Organization: Temporal Industries Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3746E991.9FB9E910@onramp.net> Reply-To: jkwade@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: isdn1-31.austtx.onramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17656 Howdy All, I have a colony that is africanized and I want to destroy the colony but keep the comb intact so that I can put a package in it. I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have only been doing this about a year, and they recommended using Resmethrin, and it evaporates if you air the hive out. Does anyone know where I can get some or is there another availabe product that will do the same thing. What about permethrin? Cheers.......James From jkwade@onramp.net Sun May 23 08:15:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!socal.verio.net!nntp.ni.net!news-feeder.onramp.net!news.onramp.net!not-for-mail From: Veronique Wade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:41:13 -0500 Organization: Temporal Industries Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3746EC39.B5315F20@onramp.net> Reply-To: jkwade@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: isdn1-34.austtx.onramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17657 Howdy All, I have a colony that is africanized and I want to destroy the colony but keep the comb intact so that I can put a package in it. I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have only been doing this about a year, and they recommended using Resmethrin, and it evaporates if you air the hive out. Does anyone know where I can get some or is there another availabe product that will do the same thing. What about permethrin? Cheers.......James From pollinator@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TABEC - seeking distributors, dealers, retailers, etc. Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 May 1999 14:04:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7i1683$c8r$2@hermes.iol.it> Message-ID: <19990522100437.15931.00000145@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17658 >Tabec S.r.l. was born in Guastalla (Italy) by energy and competence of the >present owners. >It is composed of a party of operators that carry on their task with >professional nature, will and passion, and it has been working in the >apiarian - zootechnical area since 1979. >Besides, a complex mix of factors and big decisional - productive >flexibility have helped Tabec to grow up and have put it decidedly in the >role of leader of the Italian market. >Strongly of the experience acquired in national field in the last 20 years, >now Tabec show itself to foreign market. >"To be present in all the markets of the world offering to the customers an >ample choice of products, always built to the highest levels of quality." >This is the business philosophy, the challenge for the new millennium. The >results testify, with facts, the concreteness of our objectives. Well, you say you are energetic and competent. Nice that you can sing your own praises. But you didn't tell me what pruducts you sell? That seems kind of oxymoronic....... Wouldn't potential customers be more interested in what you sell, than how fine you are? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jkwade@onramp.net Sun May 23 08:15:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!socal.verio.net!nntp.ni.net!news-feeder.onramp.net!news.onramp.net!not-for-mail From: Veronique Wade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:48:09 -0500 Organization: Temporal Industries Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3746EDD8.B88EA757@onramp.net> Reply-To: jkwade@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: isdn1-35.austtx.onramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17659 Howdy All, I have a colony that is africanized and I want to destroy the colony but keep the comb intact so that I can put a package in it. I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have only been doing this about a year, and they recommended using Resmethrin, and it evaporates if you air the hive out. Does anyone know where I can get some or is there another availabe product that will do the same thing. What about permethrin? Cheers.......James From jkwade@onramp.net Sun May 23 08:15:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!socal.verio.net!nntp.ni.net!news-feeder.onramp.net!news.onramp.net!not-for-mail From: Veronique Wade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:34:23 -0500 Organization: Temporal Industries Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3746EA9E.8DF7E295@onramp.net> Reply-To: jkwade@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: isdn1-32.austtx.onramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17660 Howdy All, I have a colony that is africanized and I want to destroy the colony but keep the comb intact so that I can put a package in it. I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have only been doing this about a year, and they recommended using Resmethrin, and it evaporates if you air the hive out. Does anyone know where I can get some or is there another availabe product that will do the same thing. What about permethrin? Cheers.......James From vmwade@onramp.net Sun May 23 08:15:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.newengland.verio.net!news.pn.com!socal.verio.net!nntp.ni.net!news-feeder.onramp.net!news.onramp.net!not-for-mail From: Veronique Wade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Destroying Africanized Colony Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:50:51 -0500 Organization: Temporal Industries Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> Reply-To: vmwade@onramp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: isdn1-35.austtx.onramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17661 Howdy All, I have a colony that is africanized and I want to destroy the colony but keep the comb intact so that I can put a package in it. I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have only been doing this about a year, and they recommended using Resmethrin, and it evaporates if you air the hive out. Does anyone know where I can get some or is there another availabe product that will do the same thing. What about permethrin? Cheers.......James From cde049@airmail.net Sun May 23 08:15:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:57:38 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 16 Message-ID: <17346FC17F795D76.B23F76BDEE62AA8A.BCB20E48F0203378@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7i7nk6$3ja@library3.airnews.net> References: <3059-3746EFE5-56@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net> <19990522151635.17932.00003194@ngol07.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat May 22 21:02:46 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Y/rj1k-Y1c77Ns (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17662 Not necessarily so in Plano TX. I moved from the City because of all the trouble that two hen chickens got me into. My neighbor complained because "...she didn't work this hard to get out of the country to live next door to chickens." She called the police and city council and even though I complied and surpassed the requirements of the law as written I had to get rid of the hens. I moved to DeSoto instead. Cliff. > I assume the neighbour's complaint would have to be valid before they make you > move hives . > From allend@internode.net Sun May 23 08:15:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:03:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7i7nln$eml$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <7i5art$u6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i7aq2$6p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.205 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 23 02:03:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.205 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17663 > There appears to be a be a basic piece of biology missing here. The > introduced package was "4" days old when the cage was checked and > there were sealed queen cells after the same time? Sorry but there is > a communciation problem here. 3 days an egg,5 days a larvae sealed > day 8? Who said 'sealed'? I never saw 'sealed' until now. I guess you are right. We don't have enough info. allen --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From orangerose@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 02:16:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7i7b9f$kk$1@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990522221647.29567.00003817@ng-fg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17664 >But I'm sure it doesn't matter to you. When >you can no longer keep bees because of resistant mite >problems, you will just go find another hobby. Please keep >in mind, that such stupidity, may cause some of us to have >to find another job. Please! Let's not get personal! It would be tragic to *society* if beekeeping were to go the way of the dinosaurs! I would be devastated if almonds, apples, stone fruits, and other bee-dependent crops became too expensive for the average consumer. I'm sure it would be a personal tragedy to lose an apiary, but it would be a wider tragedy to all of us if the mite were to win this war. Honestly, I can be only so concerned about people keeping their jobs--it's one man's hardship and sad, but not tragic. The possibility of a wider agricultural tragedy, however, really concerns me. One does not lose a significant contributor to the food supply lightly. We would all suffer. ***the beeless one has spoken*** :-)) Kelly From dv25@hotmail.com Sun May 23 08:15:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.abs.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dv25@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Things were going so well. . . . Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:16:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <7i7odc$fdd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3742BCA2.107EB793@uiowa.edu> <19990520064114.16477.00002497@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.102.101.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 23 02:16:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.102.101.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17665 Things were going so well. . . . On April 29, 1999, I purchased a 5-frame nuc. (this is my first hive) I am in north Florida. The beekeeper showed me an uncapped queen cell at the bottom of one of the frames, so I assume my queen is new. All five frames were drawn and very crowded. On my three prior examinations, I spotted the queen, and she was laying well. I have been feeding a constant mixture of sugar water (1:1 or something like that). Today, I noticed 5-10 of what I think are queen cells at the bottom of several frames. They didn't look exactly like the cell shown to me when I purchased my nuc, but looked like "bulges" with drone cappings. I also heard what sounded like a queen piping (very much like on Allen Dick's website), but I was unable to spot the queen. I noticed new larvae in the upper brood chamber. The larva were the size, or smaller, of 24-36 hours old larva that are shown in Killion's, Honey in the Comb. I last went through the hive exactly 10 days ago. I just placed another hive body with duragilt foundation around two weeks ago. On the top hive body, four-five frames are undrawn, and on the bottom hive body, two or so on the outside are undrawn. Bees are drawing out the other frames. As the person I had bought the nuc from had placed a bayer strip in when I picked up my nuc, I had not intended to use any honey from the flow, due to contamination concerns, but rather split the hive and leave the honey for the bees winter consumption. On two of the frames with the majority of these queen cells, I had not examined because I did not want to disturb the bayer strip. Although I had anticipated splitting my hive in the future, I have not yet ordered a queen. Where I am, I believe we are in the middle of the gallberry, saw palmetto, and tulip poplar flow, but it has been very dry lately. (remember I am very new). Would my new hive be preparing to swarm already? What I have read, this would seem very unlikely with a new queen, plenty of space, and a honey flow, but the signs sure seem there. Could my queen be dead? If so, I don't want to interfere with their naturally requeening themselves, by any swarming prevention measures. I am also concerned about the new queen's mating flight. My hives are on the edge of a swampy area with a lot of dragonflies. I am probably in the morning go remove and examine one of the cells. If it is a queen cell, I will remove all the queen cells (although, I really dislike doing this, as I imagine they know what they are doing, more so than I); I will remove all the honey frames to the far outside of the bodies as I just read something about a hive becoming honey bound. Monday, I will buy a queen excluder install it, and order a new queen; in a week, I will check for queen cells and new larvae. If no new larvae, I will introduce my queen and hope it takes. If new larvae in one of the hive bodies, go ahead and split the hive, and introduce the new queen to the split.. I would appreciate any input or remarks. I don't want to react foolishly out of inexperience or haste and harm my girls, but I really don't want to chase a swarm through a swamp, or up on an in-laws porch (yes, I am keeping my bees at my in-laws). I also don't want to repeat any more mistakes next spring. Sorry the post is so long; I have never posted anything before, so I hope this works. Dave --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 23 08:15:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing Africanized Bees Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 02:54:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3746EC39.B5315F20@onramp.net> Message-ID: <19990522225401.15941.00000543@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17666 If you can approach the hive blow sulfur smoke into it and tape over the entrance. Next day give the hive an airing out and give the frames to a strong hive to clean out the dead brood and such. I usually just put a few tablespoons of sulfur in a hot burning smoker and smoke em well. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 23 08:15:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 03:24:31 GMT References: <19990522151635.17932.00003194@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990522232431.12487.00003408@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17667 I have big problems with my neighbour as well. I'm going to place my top bar hives on a semi wilderness acerage far away from her. My future problem will be foraging black bears which are more predictable than my neighbour. I will not be using an electric fence either. I doubt whether inspector will even find my hives to determine what kind they are. I've checked with head inspector and top bar hives are still legal herel. From Amschelp@pe.net Tue May 25 07:18:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Back in Bizniz Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.39 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 927434793 216.100.28.39 (Sun, 23 May 1999 00:46:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:46:33 EDT Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:50:42 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17668 Bee Bob has made his move and I am back in the beekeeping bizniz. He took a frame or two of capped worker bee brood and he put those and some other frames all covered with bees into a honey super. We then came to my house and he arranged the top bars on my top bar hive to make some space for the bees to go down into the top bar hive and he set the honey super on top of the top bar hive. We placed the queen bee cage in the super. Bee Bob then shook out more bees, another pound or so of them, from his bee- shipping box into the honey super. Bee Bob has saved up his bee-shipping boxes over the years and has a nice stack of them. He has his own bee vacuum too, that he designed. He was a top hand making airplanes at McDonnel Douglas before he went into beekeeping in the 70's. I mixed sugar water in a plastic container with holes in the lid that Bee Bob gave me last year and I put it upside down on the super at Bee Bob's direction. This was last Sunday. Bee Bob tells me that the bees will fill the super and then work their way down into the top bar hive seeking more space and after they do that he will come back over and get his super. The colony is looking good today, population on the increase, fuzzy little bee babies buzzing out into the bee pasture with their older sisters and then buzzing back. That's the first I had heard that word, "bee pasture", from Bee Bob using it. I like it because it makes me think of bees a being a little bit like cows - milk and honey and all that, can you dig it? Have any of you beekeepers heard the expression "bee pasture"? From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue May 25 07:18:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:57:18 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7i10tc$11c$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990519205648.08841.00004876@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927205100 1068 129.173.88.206 (20 May 1999 12:58:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 1999 12:58:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17669 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > We live in the city... Colorado Springs. There are really no crops around > here, that I know of, just a lot of dandelions, backyard gardens, and > wildflowers. > Well, that's no reason. In fact professional farmers know the rules and the laws about pesticide use, at least they should. But Uncle Sam with his backyard next door? Some bugs in his beloved flower garden and he might use the chemical weapon without reading the label again. Even a local treatment on a few bushes is sufficient to harm a hive :( Ulli From snyderjs@pathwaynet.com Tue May 25 07:18:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news6.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Sue Snyder" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping as agriculture: Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.46.194.225 X-Trace: news6.ispnews.com 927439260 216.46.194.225 (Sun, 23 May 1999 02:01:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:01:00 EDT Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:01:16 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17670 I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. Jeff in Michigan From pollinator@aol.com Tue May 25 07:18:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 May 1999 11:08:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7i8i32$l3j$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990523070835.27450.00000141@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17671 From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs)>orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) wrote: > >> I would be devastated if almonds, apples, stone fruits, >> and other bee-dependent crops became too expensive >>for the average consumer. > >>Kelly > >Pardon my ignorance but what's a stone fruit? > >Greg the beekeep Peaches, plums, apricots, cherries, etc. Remember the old folk song: "I gave my love a cherry, that has no stone..." Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From allend@internode.net Tue May 25 07:18:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!lax.uu.net!pao.uu.net!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: PROPOLIS REMOVAL Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:33:46 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <000701bea520$e20b9920$02000003@allend> References: <19990518233510.15591.00002222@ng29.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990518233510.15591.00002222@ng29.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17672 > > I noticed a recommendation to soak hives in boiling Paraffin. > >Has anyone done this? We routinely dip new pallets in hot parrafin to protect them from the elements and i think it probably doubles their life. Plywood items particularly benefit. The wax cannot be boiling, however, and is dangerous to work with due to the possibility of a flash if the temperature gets too high. There was a lot of discussion on this on BEE-L. One report from Australia claims that there is no benefit to waxing. I disagree. In my area it works. allen From allend@internode.net Tue May 25 07:18:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Last Call for Apimondia '99 Discounts Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:57:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7i91g0$8q6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 23 13:57:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.189 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17673 Just a reminder if you are like me and have been putting it off... May 31st is the deadline for the pre-registration discounts for Apimondia '99* to be held this year in Vancouver, Canada. After that date, you can still register -- even at the door, I understand -- but the (considerably) discounted pre-registration prices will have expired. So, if you are planning to go, then be sure to go to http://www.apimondia99.ca/ and do what you have to do... allen (Who is in no way associated with the event) -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From allend@internode.net Tue May 25 07:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:12:23 -0600 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <000401bea51d$e57160c0$02000003@allend> References: <19990519013427.22561.00002134@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990519013427.22561.00002134@ng-cj1.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17674 > Well, I do have books and in the "complete guide to beekeeping" and > "Beekeeper's Handbook" I could not find any reference to "strange > noises" I did find piping on the glossary of one but only because > Kevin gave me the terminology to use. You can hear queens piping at my website at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee Just follow the link on the left side that says 'Queens Piping'. You may have to be patient for a minute or more, because there is a .wav sound file to load. allen From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue May 25 07:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:33:05 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com> References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.161.10 X-Trace: 927470065 1NNUCNF1GA1A C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17675 You could be right Peter But 'non porous' suggests low insulation factor which could cause condensation The propolis provides a membrane against a porous wall. Just like in a building So with timber you have a porous, well insulated (against heat and cold extremes), 'waterproofed' and workable material. BUT is brace comb such a problem if the bee space is maintained? I don't reckon so. Regards Chris D Peter Edwards wrote in message <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Does anyone believe that any hive is porous? All of the inner surface has a >thin coating of propolis - and propolis is waterproof! > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com>... >>Using non-porous material would perhaps create condensation within the >hive. >>Have you seen what those bees do to metal spacers with propolis. >>Is this likely to happen to other non-porous materials? >> > > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue May 25 07:18:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:49:36 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7i94kg$slo$1@gxsn.com> References: <3746E991.9FB9E910@onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.161.10 X-Trace: 927471056 1NNUCNF1GA1A C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17676 Pour on solution of acetic acid late in the evening Seal hive for a week and you will have sterilised combs ready to use once aired Veronique Wade wrote in message <3746E991.9FB9E910@onramp.net>... >Howdy All, > >I have a colony that is africanized and I want to >destroy the colony but keep the comb intact From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Tue May 25 07:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <7i5art$u6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i7aq2$6p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i7nln$eml$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:13:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.7 Message-ID: <37480161.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 23 May 1999 08:23:45 -0600, 209.192.109.7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!206.228.179.2!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.7 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17677 The queen cells were NOT sealed, in fact there were no eggs in that comb at all. Because of the space between the frames and queen cage the bees had started building an 8"L x 6"W comb near the queen cage. This comb had two queen cells that were in the process of being built up (down). The original question was why would they try and supersede her after only 4 days. There were no eggs or bees left over from winter when this new package was installed. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Tue May 25 07:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: why did this happen PT2 Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:21:01 -0400 Lines: 597 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEA516.BA5EEF80" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.7 Message-ID: <37481e53.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 23 May 1999 10:27:15 -0600, 209.192.109.7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17678 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEA516.BA5EEF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There has been questions as to my observations of the comb I described in an earlier posting. I was wondering why a new package of bees would build a supersedure cell in only 4 days of being installed. I kept the comb and scanned in a portion of it, included in this post is a .BMP picture of that section of comb. Is this not clearly a queen cell? -- -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" 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lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Tue May 25 07:18:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum.solanum" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci Subject: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:46:09 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntnts10-97.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927489181 2294 164.138.224.97 (23 May 1999 19:53:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 1999 19:53:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3199 alt.agriculture.beef:1663 alt.agriculture.commodities:301 alt.agriculture.fruit:9046 alt.agriculture.misc:10953 alt.agriculture.technology:308 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22513 sci.agriculture:34531 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17679 sci.agriculture.fruit:2735 sci:1582 Je suis surpris du peu d'agriculteurs français sur les news. Pourriez vous m'indiquer quels sont les news les plus apprèciès par les agriculteurs? Merci Lyco From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue May 25 07:18:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:20:19 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 41 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.71 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:19:37 GMT X-Trace: 927490777.513.18 KRFRRPH9I9847CE81C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17680 Hi, A good civil servant, is a dead civil servant . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/22/99 10:56AM, in message <3059-3746EFE5-56@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>, Jim Roland wrote: OK, I went back to the library and dug out the Plano Tx book. It states hives will be of Langstroth type with removable frames. They also have to be surrounded by 6 ft barrier with self closing gate. At least 25 ft from property line with 10 foot flyway. 1/2 acre of land limits me to 2 hives plus 1 nuc. Owners name address and phone number must be on hives. Only exception to boundary rule is undeveloped property. With 50 ft of undeveloped property in all directions fence is unneeded but a barrier to protect small children is still required.. Legalese still states if hive is bothersome to neighbors hive must be removed. Hives do not haveto be registered with city. I do not fear the Langstroth police as much as an idiot neighbor. One call to city hall and you are out of business around here.... From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue May 25 07:18:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Destroying Africanized Colony Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:27:02 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7i9o7t$99k$1@front6m.grolier.fr> References: <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-1-123.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front6m.grolier.fr 927491133 9524 195.36.144.123 (23 May 1999 20:25:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 1999 20:25:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17681 Well, sleep on it is not bad. First I must apologize, half a glass of gasoline should be enough to kill a colony. Second I remember an other trick : When we have very aggressive bees to manage, we sometimes use ammonium nitrate. This chemical product is sold in French apiculture store and look like small white balls. It is also used as fertilizer by farmers. You just need to put two or three spoons into your hot smocking unit and when you get a strong white smoke (N²O laughing gas) inflate the hive. Bees will fall asleep and you have a few minute to open the box, put the bees into a plastic bag and close it. Then you put the bag in your freezer for a while and the bees are dead. Veronique Wade a écrit dans le message : 3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net... > Howdy All, > > I have a colony that is africanized and I want to > destroy the colony but keep the comb intact > so that I can put a package in it. > > I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have > only been doing this about a year, and they > recommended using Resmethrin, and it > evaporates if you air the hive out. > > Does anyone know where I can get some > or is there another available product that > will do the same thing. What about permethrin? > > Cheers.......James > > From purcell@atlanta.com Tue May 25 07:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newssvt07.tk!nntp-egw.ocn.ad.jp!nd-tk001.ocn.ad.jp!news.megnow.com!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:10:15 GMT Organization: Epoch Internet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <37485d83.2684045@news.eni.net> References: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 220.pool.atl800.gw.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17682 "Anglin" wrote: >Michigan- My observation hive is also brining in deep red pollen. The >maples are done, and so are the Lilacs. I am not sure where they are >getting it from.... The Wisteria, Irises and the lily of the valleys are >all in bloom right now, but I have not seen the bees working these flowers. Horse Chestnut blooms just about this time of May, at least in Detroit where I lived for several years. To my recollection, the pollen is more brick red than bright red, but very plentiful. Ohio buckeye is very similar, and may also have red pollen, but I don't remember if I ever saw buckeye pollen. Not sure about NY, CT, RI. From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue May 25 07:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 05:17:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 927486244 209.69.69.129 (Sun, 23 May 1999 14:04:04 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:04:04 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17683 Michigan- My observation hive is also brining in deep red pollen. The maples are done, and so are the Lilacs. I am not sure where they are getting it from.... The Wisteria, Irises and the lily of the valleys are all in bloom right now, but I have not seen the bees working these flowers. Ellen From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 25 07:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Back in Bizniz Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:30:16 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37486558.42AD@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927492027 .ZFUVYH4M1C15D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17684 Peter Amschel wrote: > > Bee Bob has made his move and I am back in the beekeeping bizniz. > "bee pasture", from Bee Bob using it. I like it because it makes me think > of bees a being a little bit like cows - milk and honey and all that, can > you dig it? Sounds like you got a buzzz going there Pete. AL From cosmetics@simplypure.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 25 07:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rehive a swarm, another way Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:52:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7i9tj6$o3e$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.carafate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 927496614 24686 62.136.56.190 (23 May 1999 21:56:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 May 1999 21:56:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17685 How many ways to rehive a swarm? Here's one but let us know more. Whilst talking to an old hand at be keeping (2Hrs after loosing a swarm) I asked the question .......... Can I put the swarm back in the same hive ? "yes" came the answer "How" I replied "Collect them in the usual way then wait till night, put them down in front of the hive they came out of, but put a queen excluder over the entrance. Smoke gently until they start to move back into the hive. Now left outside is the old queen running about now dispose of her. If on the other hand you can't see her come back in a hour or so and have a look. If you still can't see her the chances are that she will die anyway with the cold (in this climate). From honeybs@radix.net Tue May 25 07:18:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:39:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7ia178$khm$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7i8i32$l3j$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990523070835.27450.00000141@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17686 pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: >> >>Pardon my ignorance but what's a stone fruit? > Peaches, plums, apricots, cherries, etc. > Remember the old folk song: "I gave my love a cherry, that has no stone..." Nope, I guess I'm just not that old! I should have figured it out, but you don't know where in this world posts are coming from on the net. Thanks Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Tue May 25 07:18:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:37:28 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 927506391 24.93.149.35 (Sun, 23 May 1999 17:39:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:39:51 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17687 In the State of Maine honeybee colonies are considered livestock and by law must be registered with the State Dept. of Agriculture. It would seem the good State of Michigan would have similar laws. A phone call away? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue May 25 07:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.interpacket.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Back in Bizniz Date: Mon, 24 May 99 00:15:39 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.107 X-Trace: 927508494 Y.AP37JYI1C6BCF95C usenet55.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17688 Hi, Bee pasture ? Not really, but they're commonly associated with hay, and alfalfa fields in Washington . I've heard that they are absolutely necessary to get the best harvest of alfalfa . Dunno if it's true, but sounds good to me . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/22/99 9:50PM, in message , Peter Amschel wrote: Bee Bob has made his move and I am back in the beekeeping bizniz. He took a frame or two of capped worker bee brood and he put those and some other frames all covered with bees into a honey super. We then came to my house and he arranged the top bars on my top bar hive to make some space for the bees to go down into the top bar hive and he set the honey super on top of the top bar hive. We placed the queen bee cage in the super. Bee Bob then shook out more bees, another pound or so of them, from his bee- shipping box into the honey super. Bee Bob has saved up his bee-shipping boxes over the years and has a nice stack of them. He has his own bee vacuum too, that he designed. He was a top hand making airplanes at McDonnel Douglas before he went into beekeeping in the 70's. I mixed sugar water in a plastic container with holes in the lid that Bee Bob gave me last year and I put it upside down on the super at Bee Bob's direction. This was last Sunday. Bee Bob tells me that the bees will fill the super and then work their way down into the top bar hive seeking more space and after they do that he will come back over and get his super. The colony is looking good today, population on the increase, fuzzy little bee babies buzzing out into the bee pasture with their older sisters and then buzzing back. That's the first I had heard that word, "bee pasture", from Bee Bob using it. I like it because it makes me think of bees a being a little bit like cows - milk and honey and all that, can you dig it? Have any of you beekeepers heard the expression "bee pasture"? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue May 25 07:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Date: Mon, 24 May 99 00:11:03 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.107 X-Trace: 927508218 Y.AP37JYI1C6BCF95C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17689 Hi, Land use planning . A good civil servant, is a dead civil servant . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/22/99 11:01PM, in message , "Sue Snyder" wrote: I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. Jeff in Michigan From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 25 07:18:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing Africanized Bees Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 May 1999 02:23:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3746EDD8.B88EA757@onramp.net> Message-ID: <19990523222307.26262.00004213@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17690 >I have a colony that is africanized and I want to >destroy the colony but keep the comb intact >so that I can put a package in it. > a CO2 fire extingusher works well a house hold vaccum cleaner works better ether is nice, just dont smoke putting the hive into a freezer at night will work Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 25 07:18:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 May 1999 02:38:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3059-3746EFE5-56@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19990523223833.26262.00004220@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17691 >removed. Hives do not haveto be registered >with city. >I do not fear the Langstroth police as much as an idiot neighbor. One >call >to city hall and you are out of business >around here.... Pardon me but this is Bull%&#$ Paint the hives green, put some brush around em, fix em where they have to fly up, dont tell the damn city ya got em, give the neighboors free honey. and if anyone gives ya beef, go to the conservation people, since you,re protecting an endangered species no politition in the world would take a chance on that bad press or just don't keep bees, raise rattle snakes or pigeons or termites, heheheheee give those nosy buggers something to really crow about. haha or do it this way, I know a guy in the downtown of a city who was denied the keeping of his bees. So they disappeared.... they now live inside his walls with interior doors so he can work them, and the exits all are covered with funneling boards that take the bees up and away. They have been there 5 years now... 5 years after he was ordered to remove his hives. You can fight city hall, especially if they are too ighnorant to know that they are being fought. And no I will not tell where he is located. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From news@localdial.com Tue May 25 07:18:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "homeland" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:19:26 +0100 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial164.localdial.com Message-ID: <37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net> X-Trace: 24 May 1999 00:17:05 GMT, dial164.localdial.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!news.itconsult.net!news.guernsey.net!dial164.localdial.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3200 alt.agriculture.beef:1664 alt.agriculture.commodities:302 alt.agriculture.fruit:9048 alt.agriculture.misc:10954 alt.agriculture.technology:309 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22515 sci.agriculture:34537 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17692 sci.agriculture.fruit:2736 sci:1583 Recherchez-vous des groupes de nouvelles pour les fermiers français en particulier? ou groupes de nouvelles pour cultiver en général? respects Lydia From tim_jk@my-dejanews.com Tue May 25 07:18:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tim_jk@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:05:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7iafm9$6pd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.75 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 24 03:05:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.75 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17693 In article <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tim@ipeg.com wrote: Anyway.... Thanks for the input, especially Bill and Stretch. Didn't see the bend over tabs while the strips were still in the LABEL LESS package. Tim --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From thoem@cgocable.net Tue May 25 07:18:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3747771F.9DB5DF6@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:33:52 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4F80F48FD4DAB0969B889E9D" NNTP-Posting-Host: cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net X-Trace: 23 May 1999 23:36:04 -0500, cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.vphos.net!news1.van.metronet.ca!news1.cal.metronet.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17694 --------------4F80F48FD4DAB0969B889E9D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beekeeping in Ontario, published by the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food contains the following first sentence: "Beekeeping is one of the oldest of agricultural pursuits." 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Peter --------------4F80F48FD4DAB0969B889E9D-- From thoem@cgocable.net Tue May 25 07:18:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <374778A3.431A2F92@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:40:20 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net X-Trace: 23 May 1999 23:42:32 -0500, cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17695 I am interested in learning more about beekeeping, with a view to eventually having several colonies. Can you tell me more about OBA, suggest any other source of info, or point me in the direction of someone who might teach me about the craft. I'm in Burlington. Mailing address is 550 Hurd Ave, Burlington Ont. L7S 1T1. Thank you. Peter Thoem From calin@ozemail.com.au Tue May 25 07:18:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:36:35 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3748C943.C767D521@ozemail.com.au> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 927513351 21817 203.63.79.234 (24 May 1999 02:35:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 02:35:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17696 I looked into this about 4 years ago. Don't hold me to the details because I am relying on memory from then 1) Epipen is a way of giving a hormone (adrenaline?) via a puffer / inhaler similar to the type used athsmatics to settle their breathing. 2) It does not require a prescription (in Australia) but the average chemist is not familiar with it because it is not commonly ordered. They will probably look up a few manuals to make sure what it's all about. It can take several days to get it in. 3) It is not cheap and has a limited shelf life. 4) If you have never used a puffer (or learnt how they should be used) get some one to teach you. You must time the puff very carefully to make sure the patient breathes it all in rather than blowing it all out before it has any affect. 5) If you need to use it, you may have difficulty because the patient must co-operate with good breathing to get the stuff in. People who are panicking are less co-operative. JKimbro wrote: > I heard there was something new on the allergic reaction front. Has > anyone heard about it? From jwilken@telusplanet.net Tue May 25 07:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED.MISMATCH!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3738946C.F618387E@telusplanet.net> From: Robert Wilken X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> <373083A3.4B8E0860@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6385F3829D7FA26FC23C4A0E" Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 05:08:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.204.221 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 927522520 161.184.204.221 (Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:40 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17697 --------------6385F3829D7FA26FC23C4A0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No the saying go : There are no shuck things as stupid question just stupid student! Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > Your comment reminds me of a trite, but apropo, maxim that begins: "There > are no dumb questions..." I think the second half is that there are only > dumb answers, or dumb answerers. Either works for me. --------------6385F3829D7FA26FC23C4A0E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No the saying go : There are no shuck things as stupid question just stupid student!

Charles Stretch Ledford wrote:

Your comment reminds me of a trite, but apropo, maxim that begins:  "There
are no dumb questions..."  I think the second half is that there are only
dumb answers, or dumb answerers.  Either works for me.
--------------6385F3829D7FA26FC23C4A0E-- From jwilken@telusplanet.net Tue May 25 07:18:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.cs.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED.MISMATCH!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37386FC6.D9A10BDA@telusplanet.net> From: Robert Wilken X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 ?'s - moving hives and bears References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 05:08:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.204.221 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 927522518 161.184.204.221 (Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:38 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:38 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17698 Lead poisoning works well . Rob MS wrote: > Hi, I have a neighbor who wants to give away his two hives. He lives about > 1/2 mile up the road. I heard something about only moving bees a few feet or > over three miles. Will it be a problem moving them this short distance? > Also, he has had problems in the past with bears getting into the hives. Do > you think a chain link fence around the hives would stop the bears? Are > there any other ways of keeping them away? > > Thanks in advance > > Michael From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue May 25 07:18:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Destroying Africanized Colony Date: Mon, 24 May 99 08:35:01 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1834878B7S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net.MISMATCH!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17699 In article <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> Veronique Wade writes: >or is there another availabe product that >will do the same thing... One way to snuff a hive without rendering it unusable is a little powdered sulfur in your smoker. Powdered sulfur is readily available at any garden shop as a dust for rose bushes. When it burns the smoke is noxious, avoid inhaling the fumes. Also be very careful dumping the sulfur into your smoker, it will flash up! Singed my eyebrows! What I do now is mix the sulphur into the smoker fuel first, start a small flame in my smoker and add the sulfured fuel. Seal the front entrance, fill the hive with the smoke at the inner cover hole, seal everything up for a few hours, air everything out afterwards, clean out the dead bees. This is a very unpleasant task. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue May 25 07:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Mon, 24 May 99 08:54:29 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <183487D48S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> <7i5lp8$2re$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <3746D66E.4111B7C5@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news-pen-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17700 In article <3746D66E.4111B7C5@midtown.net> JKimbro writes: > >You're absolutely correct. Now,,,,,, I heard there was something new >on the allergic reaction front, has anyone heard about it? So, what exactly is your question? What sort of "new stuff" are you looking for? Aaron Morris - thinking better answers come from better questions! From adamf@vt.edu Tue May 25 07:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 24 May 1999 11:53:30 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ibejq$5gp$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7hmnjd$qm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i0j7i$igk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i35bq$dvj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i37fh$fck$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17701 In article <7i37fh$fck$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Allen Dick wrote: > >Hmmm. I wonder if anyone knows exactly what constitutes 'cooked'? I >am pretty sure that the cells are much more sensitive to heating than >cooling , degree for degree, but don't know the upper limits. I >suspect that the upper limit limit for temperature is likely fairly >close to the normal 95.5 degrees that I have measured in the brood area >of hives, and would imagine that 100 degrees or so would be lethal in >short order Good question--whatever the temp the proteins and enzymes in the pupa would begin to denature/breakdown. I'll check it out. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Tue May 25 07:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: 24 May 1999 12:00:36 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7ibf14$5hu$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17702 In article <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca>, Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> wrote: > >Tracheal mites had been no problem during my beekeeping times (starting >in 1990, Germany). Varroa mites are, and they need treatment every >year. I think that the annual Varroa treatment also takes care for the >tracheal mites. In fact, before Varroa appeared in Germany the tracheal >mites had to be reported to the bee inspectors. In present days the >only pest which has to be reported in Germany to the authorities is the >american foulbrood. Hi. What do you use to control the Varroa? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@vt.edu Tue May 25 07:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: 24 May 1999 12:20:54 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7ibg76$5js$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990519013427.22561.00002134@ng-cj1.aol.com> <000401bea51d$e57160c0$02000003@allend> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17703 In article <000401bea51d$e57160c0$02000003@allend>, Allen Dick wrote: > >You can hear queens piping at my website at >http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee > >Just follow the link on the left side that says 'Queens Piping'. You may >have to be patient for a minute or more, because there is a .wav sound file >to load. Awesome! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Tue May 25 07:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum.solanum" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:33:04 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ibv62$3of$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnant1-1-217.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927563778 3855 193.250.18.217 (24 May 1999 16:36:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 16:36:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3202 alt.agriculture.beef:1665 alt.agriculture.commodities:303 alt.agriculture.fruit:9049 alt.agriculture.misc:10955 alt.agriculture.technology:310 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22516 sci.agriculture:34545 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17704 sci.agriculture.fruit:2738 Je cherche des news où vont les agriculteurs français pour discuter de techniques (je suis moi même un professionnel en maraîchage). Ils vont bien quelques part puisque je ne vois jamais aucunes interventions de leurs part sur la dizaine de news agricoles auquel je me suis abonné. Kenavo Lyco homeland a écrit dans le message : 37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net... > Recherchez-vous des groupes de nouvelles pour les fermiers français en > particulier? ou groupes de nouvelles pour cultiver en général? > > respects Lydia > > > > From cherbe@ciril.fr Tue May 25 07:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!ciril.fr!not-for-mail From: "Christian Herbé" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:15:55 +0200 Organization: CIRIL, Nancy, France Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3749A56B.5784151E@ciril.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net> <7ibv62$3of$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: stan-rtc135.ciril.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3203 alt.agriculture.beef:1666 alt.agriculture.commodities:304 alt.agriculture.fruit:9050 alt.agriculture.misc:10956 alt.agriculture.technology:311 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22517 sci.agriculture:34546 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17705 sci.agriculture.fruit:2739 lycopersicum.solanum a écrit: > > Je cherche des news où vont les agriculteurs français pour discuter de > techniques (je suis moi même un professionnel en maraîchage). Ils vont bien > quelques part puisque je ne vois jamais aucunes interventions de leurs part > sur la dizaine de news agricoles auquel je me suis abonné. Tu pourrais donner les adresses de ceux que tu fréquentes ? Moi je n'en connais aucun. Il y bien qlq sites WEB mais de forum, neni ! From beeman@kingston.net Tue May 25 07:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:12:17 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3749B2A1.3CEB@kingston.net> References: <3746E991.9FB9E910@onramp.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.128 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927566042 VRL06/YYI3480CDD2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17706 Veronique Wade wrote: > > Howdy All, > > I have a colony that is africanized and I want to > destroy the colony but keep the comb intact > so that I can put a package in it. > > I have talked with a few bee-keepers as I have > only been doing this about a year, and they > recommended using Resmethrin, and it > evaporates if you air the hive out. > > Does anyone know where I can get some > or is there another availabe product that > will do the same thing. What about permethrin? > > Cheers.......James Hi James, We use dry ice. Get a large plastic bag and 1/2 lb of dry ice. Shift the supers on the colony and place the bag over the colony. Put the dry ice into a bag and pour a cup of water over it. The dry ice will melt and form CO2. Leave over night. The next day clean out the dead bees. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From beeman@kingston.net Tue May 25 07:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing Africanized Bees Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:15:30 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Message-ID: <3749B362.649E@kingston.net> References: <3746E991.9FB9E910@onramp.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927566236 VRL06/YYI341CCDD2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17707 Hi James, We use dry ice. Get a large plastic bag and 1/2 lb of dry ice. Shift the supers on the colony and place the bag over the colony. Put the dry ice into a bag and pour a cup of water over it. The dry ice will melt and form CO2. Leave over night. The next day clean out the dead bees. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Tue May 25 07:18:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New beekeeper with a question. Date: 24 May 1999 18:36:32 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7ic67g$3tte$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7hc6ro$3cui$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990512180501.29957.00001152@ng-xa1.aol.com> <7i16m9$55o6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <3744cb50.71be39e4@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 927570992 000 192.168.253.46 (24 May 1999 18:36:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 18:36:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17708 okay, i will try it! >welllllllll. the honey frames will give them something to feed on, but 1) >that food supply may get depleted fairly quickly, if the colony is of >decent size and has lots of brood, and 2) you want to simulate a nectar >flow, so they will draw out lots of foundation as quickly as possible. to >do that, you need to feed 'em syrup. if a flow is on in your area, they >may opt to get their food 'naturally,' but i think it is a good idea to at >least offer them syrup and see if they will take it. > >bill From taylaw@digizen.net Tue May 25 07:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.122 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:03 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <37498F6B.CD7D6B1F@digizen.net> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> <3748C943.C767D521@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 927571233 58718 209.194.78.12 (24 May 1999 18:40:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 18:40:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17709 Epi-pens are self-injectors (i.e., needles). I have a couple. Never used one, but easy to get a prescription. Chris Allen wrote: > I looked into this about 4 years ago. Don't hold me to the details > because I am relying on memory from then > > 1) Epipen is a way of giving a hormone (adrenaline?) via a puffer / > inhaler similar to the type used athsmatics to settle their breathing. > > 2) It does not require a prescription (in Australia) but the average > chemist is not familiar with it because it is not commonly ordered. They > will probably look up a few manuals to make sure what it's all about. > It can take several days to get it in. > > 3) It is not cheap and has a limited shelf life. > > 4) If you have never used a puffer (or learnt how they should be used) > get some one to teach you. You must time the puff very carefully to make > sure the patient breathes it all in rather than blowing it all out > before it has any affect. > > 5) If you need to use it, you may have difficulty because the patient > must co-operate with good breathing to get the stuff in. People who are > panicking are less co-operative. > > JKimbro wrote: > > > I heard there was something new on the allergic reaction front. Has > > anyone heard about it? From ej487@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Tue May 25 07:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ej487 From: ej487@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Hillman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with swarm Date: 24 May 1999 17:56:39 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7ic3sn$7uq$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: ej487@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Hillman) NNTP-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17710 I live in northern Ohio. Yesterday I noticed a swarm of honeybees I think, forming on the branch of a pine tree in the backyard about 6' off the ground. What do I do, anything? Can I mow the area? It is about football size. Thanks -- ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu OR am197@lafn.org From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue May 25 07:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> <37485d83.2684045@news.eni.net> Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:47:22 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 927572829 209.69.69.168 (Mon, 24 May 1999 14:07:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:07:09 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17711 Probably Chestnut- I think I have seen them blooming in my neigborhood- Large upright clusters of flowers? Very showy? The pollen is brick red- almost burgundy. Ellen From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue May 25 07:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with swarm Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 May 1999 20:00:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ic3sn$7uq$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: <19990524160028.19947.00004327@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17712 >I live in northern Ohio. Yesterday I noticed a swarm of honeybees >I think, forming on the branch of a pine tree in the backyard about >6' off the ground. What do I do, anything? Can I mow the area? >It is about football size. >Thanks give em a day or so and they'll be gone wouldn't mow just now Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rod@gw4slk.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 25 07:18:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod Craddock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:11:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7icfak$cqf$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.archer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 927580308 13135 62.136.141.178 (24 May 1999 21:11:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 21:11:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17713 Sue Snyder wrote in message news:wQM13.13133$LP2.275513@news6.ispnews.com... > I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment > and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an > equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township > Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of > agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to > be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone > point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. > > Jeff in Michigan > > Tell 'em to ask U.S.D.A if bee-keeping is agriculture, they will I am sure give the answer you want. Find big commercial beekeepers - I'm sure there will be some in your neck of the woods, let your township planners see those enterprises and decide for themselves if that is agriculture. Rod(U.K.) From seby@physio-control.com Tue May 25 07:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news6.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3749BCA9.220AE533@physio-control.com> From: Scott Eby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strong hive rejects queens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.31.209.3 X-Trace: news6.ispnews.com 927579324 192.31.209.3 (Mon, 24 May 1999 16:55:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:55:24 EDT Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:55:05 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17714 I have a hive with 3 deeps full of bees (approximately 14 frames of bees) and I have been trying to re-queen for the last three weeks. This all started when the old queen started laying lots of drone brood and I saw 6 or 7 swarm cells and a supersedure cell. I removed the old queen and all of the queen cells. I then placed a new queen in a queen cage next to some capped brood. I went out and removed the cork over the candy the next day. Five days later, the other cork was missing and so was the queen. There was also no eggs or new brood. So, got another queen and left her in the cage for a week before removing the cork. When I went into the hive to remove the cork over the candy, I discovered that the bees had beat me to it and the cork on the non candy end was gone along with the queen. I checked the entire hive for new eggs and brood and saw nothing. I looked in the grass in front of the hive and didn't see her carcass. I will check again in another day or two to see if any new brood has been produced. If there is none, I am at a loss as to how to proceed. Should I start a nuc with another new queen and introduce her that way, or should I just split the hive into two smaller units? The hive is rapidly running out of un-hatched brood. My other hive is queen right and has plenty of brood. Thanks for you help and advice, Scott Eby Kenmore, Wash. From pollinator@aol.com Tue May 25 17:47:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong hive rejects queens Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 May 1999 22:01:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3749BCA9.220AE533@physio-control.com> Message-ID: <19990524180152.12902.00002130@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17715 >I have a hive with 3 deeps full of bees (approximately 14 frames of >bees) and I have been trying to re-queen for the last three weeks. This >all started when the old queen started laying lots of drone brood and I >saw 6 or 7 swarm cells and a supersedure cell. I removed the old queen >and all of the queen cells. I then placed a new queen in a queen cage >next to some capped brood. The bees had the problem almost solved, and you fought them. They are stubborn, perhaps cooperation would be wiser. Give them a frame with eggs, or better yet, if you can, with queen cells. They won't accept a queen now. There are some tricks that *might* work, but the cost of queens leaves one questioning the wisdom of that risk. They may actually have a virgin queen in there, from a cell that you missed. If so, giving them a frame with some eggs will do no harm, but if they don't, you'll see them start to draw cells in a couple days. They will then be satisfied with a queen they raised. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From thoem@cgocable.net Tue May 25 17:47:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <374880E7.6B26EFED@cgocable.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:27:51 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping References: <374778A3.431A2F92@cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net X-Trace: 24 May 1999 18:30:03 -0500, cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cgowave-26-186.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17716 Please ignore the above. Sent to wrong place. Peter Thoem wrote: > I am interested in learning more about beekeeping, with a view to > eventually having several colonies. > Can you tell me more about OBA, suggest any other source of info, or > point me in the direction of someone who might teach me about the > craft. I'm in Burlington. > Mailing address is 550 Hurd Ave, Burlington Ont. L7S 1T1. > Thank you. > Peter Thoem From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 25 17:47:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive comb attachment Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:39:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ickok$jfa$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990522152520.17932.00003195@ngol07.aol.com> <7i76sv$nq2$1@gxsn.com> <7i7ak8$iko$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 927585876 19946 62.136.18.209 (24 May 1999 22:44:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 22:44:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17717 Dipping the box in hot wax replaces the air - and, more importantly, water - in the wood with paraffin wax. An untreated box is sealed on the inner surface with propolis which I think will prevent water from entering or leaving the brood chamber; any water vapour can only leave via the entrance or through the roof if this is ventilated and there is an open feed hole in the crown board (inner cover). Insulation will vary dependent on the condition of the wood: Untreated and wet will, I am sure have the lowest insulation factor as water is a good conductor of heat. Untreated and dry will have a good insulation factor as air and wood are poor conductors of heat. Treated wood will, I believe have a high insulation factor as wax is a poor conductor of heat - but I do not know whether this is better than a dry hive; however, since the winter brings a considerable amount of rain (in this area anyway!) I am sure that hives that have been treated will provide a far better home than those that have not. There are other considerations, as the balance of water within the winter cluster is a very complex subject; I remember that Bernardt Mobus wrote several articles dealing with the subject comprehensively in, I think, the Beekeeper's Quarterly a few years ago. If anyone is interested I could probably find the references. Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7i93lh$mht$1@gxsn.com>... >You could be right Peter >But 'non porous' suggests low insulation factor which could cause >condensation From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 25 17:47:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rehive a swarm, another way Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:24:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7ickoj$jfa$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7i9tj6$o3e$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 927585875 19946 62.136.18.209 (24 May 1999 22:44:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 22:44:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17718 Put a queen excluder on top of the hive then and empty super or two; dump the swarm in and put the crown board (inner cover) on quickly - before the bees run up the sides of the boxes. The queen can be found on the Q/E next day. This technique is also useful for dealing with those small swarms or casts found later in the season when there is often no spare equipment to put them in and they will probably not be viable anyway. If the swarm is from another colony, the queen is usually found dead on the Q/E. David Hennessey wrote in message <7i9tj6$o3e$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >How many ways to rehive a swarm? > >Here's one but let us know more. > >Whilst talking to an old hand at be keeping (2Hrs after loosing a swarm) I >asked the question .......... Can I put the swarm back in the same hive ? >"yes" came the answer >"How" I replied >" From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 25 17:47:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drumming Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:09:06 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7icm82$m2t$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-23.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 927587394 22621 62.136.67.23 (24 May 1999 23:09:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 23:09:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17719 Sorry - lost track of the original posting. The technique of drumming on the sides of the 'hive' to move the bees was used by skeppists to remove the colony from a skep so that the honey could be harvested without killings the bees. Whilst the beekeeper 'drummed' on the sides of the skep, the technique itself was known as 'driving'. The skep was smoked gently and then inverted, often on a bucket and a second skep fastened above it, propped at an angle and held in place with 'driving irons'. The beekeeper then drummed rhythmically on the sides of the lower skep (a beat of just over 1 per second) and the bees moved up into the empty skep above. Apparently there was a great demand for these 'driven' bees and experts at driving toured their local area charging for their services. There are a number of accounts in books written earlier this century. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue May 25 17:47:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-218-148.pbgh.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH City Ordinance Scoup Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:26:30 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3059-3746EFE5-56@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net> <19990523223833.26262.00004220@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.da.94 X-Server-Date: 25 May 1999 00:16:08 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17720 In article <19990523223833.26262.00004220@ng-fx1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > or just don't keep bees, raise rattle snakes or pigeons or termites, heheheheee > give those nosy buggers something to really crow about. LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From beetools@aol.com Tue May 25 17:48:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing Africanized Bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 May 1999 00:26:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3749B362.649E@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19990524202620.19938.00004395@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17721 Why not just requeen the hive with an EHB queen? You'll save lots of money, have a easily workable hive in about five weeks. AHB hives are easy to work IF you have good protection gear, work in pairs, and use lots of smoke. A lot of the suggestions posted are far more dangerous (to the beekeeper) than rquenning a AHB hive. Ron Bennett Luckamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From tomapis@aol.com Tue May 25 17:48:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong hive rejects queens Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 May 1999 00:26:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990524180152.12902.00002130@ng-fi1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990524202602.23852.00003880@ng25.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17722 Next time you wish to requeen a large colony...you may want to start a nuc first...then get a new queen and introduce her to the nuc which will have only brood comb and bees from the parent colony..once she starts to lay eggs. While your waiting seperate your hive bodies with a queen excluder and see which body has eggs...then you know where the queen is...then find her kill her and then place the nuc in total into the hive after 24 hours..feed with sugar syrup...You can also make splits and the reunite at the end of the season... tom From tomapis@aol.com Tue May 25 17:48:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rehive a swarm, another way Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 May 1999 00:32:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7i9tj6$o3e$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990524203205.23852.00003882@ng25.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17723 This all depends on whether or not you know which hive swarmed....if you have only one hive its simple but not if there more...better way would be to put a swarm box and lure and get the swarm..treat it like a nuc and reunite after you requeen the swarm...then destroy the queen in the original colony and unite with the newspaper method From beetools@aol.com Tue May 25 17:48:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong hive rejects queens Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 May 1999 00:34:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3749BCA9.220AE533@physio-control.com> Message-ID: <19990524203441.19938.00004397@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17724 Part of the problem is that your hive is just plain too big. There are so many bees in a hive that size the no queen's phermone is going to penetrate the bulk of the bees. A good portion of the bees will consider the introduced queen as an invader and attack her. It is always easier to requeen a smaller unit. I'd split that hive into three and introduce a queen into the splits. Or, spilt the hive between four deeps and requeen both. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From beetools@aol.com Tue May 25 17:48:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hive bottoms? How good? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 May 1999 00:39:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ico1q$29sq$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990524203950.19938.00004405@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17725 If you never plan to move your hive, the plastic bottom boards are OK, but they do tend to warp under a heavy hive. If you move hives, forget them. Can't staple them - propolis breaks asway too easily, and straps slip. Nothing like a leaky bottom board when you are moving a hive to add the thrill of adventure to the move. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Tue May 25 17:48:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic hive bottoms? How good? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:41:20 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Communications Corp Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7ico1q$29sq$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-37.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 927589242 1408643 209.156.37.198 (24 May 1999 23:40:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 23:40:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17726 I have never used them and am wondering if they bend as the plastic inner covers did until they placed the spacers on them. Even with the spacers they still bend in to some degree. How does the plastic bottom board hold up under the weight of the hive? Any comments appreciated. Zadig From calin@ozemail.com.au Tue May 25 17:48:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:43:12 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3749F220.6E8ADD15@ozemail.com.au> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> <3748C943.C767D521@ozemail.com.au> <37498F6B.CD7D6B1F@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 927589350 26907 203.63.79.234 (24 May 1999 23:42:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 May 1999 23:42:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17727 I can't remember the exact name of what I saw but it was definitely a puffer. It may have had another name (or might be a different form of Epipen). We threw it out when it expired and did not bother to get a new one. I thought a puffer was more useful than an injector because some people are squeamish about using needles. "John A. Taylor" wrote: > Epi-pens are self-injectors (i.e., needles). I have a couple. Never used > one, but easy to get a prescription. > > Chris Allen wrote: > > > I looked into this about 4 years ago. Don't hold me to the details > > because I am relying on memory from then > > > > 1) Epipen is a way of giving a hormone (adrenaline?) via a puffer / > > inhaler similar to the type used athsmatics to settle their breathing. From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue May 25 17:48:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Virgin queens Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 May 1999 03:37:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990524233712.02277.00001981@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17728 If a swarm takes off with a virgin queen, how long until she takes her mating flights and starts laying eggs? From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 25 17:48:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:26:15 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 86 Message-ID: <374A1857.2A73@midwest.net> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> <3748C943.C767D521@ozemail.com.au> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927603401 .ZFUVYH4M1C2FD0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17729 Chris Allen wrote: > > I looked into this about 4 years ago. Don't hold me to the details > because I am relying on memory from then > > 1) Epipen is a way of giving a hormone (adrenaline?) via a puffer / > inhaler similar to the type used athsmatics to settle their breathing. > Not really - an epipen is a device designed to give an injection of epinepherine. There is an epipen and an epipen jr. for children. I've never had to use the stuff, but many years ago an over-the-counter asthma drug (Primatine tablets) contained epinepherine, not the pseudo stuff nowadays. Back in my college days we discovered it was very effective as an all night stimulant when cramming for exams - I can't imagine what a shot of this stuff would do - but I digress.... > 2) It does not require a prescription (in Australia) but the average > chemist is not familiar with it because it is not commonly ordered. They > will probably look up a few manuals to make sure what it's all about. > It can take several days to get it in. Don't know if your reference to a chemist would be the same as our reference to a pharmacists (USA), but here it is generally a prescription item (maybe due to the missuse mentioned in #1 above). I've only had to mention to my doctor I keep bees and would like to have a couple epipens on hand - he writes up the script, no problem. In my case insurance takes the sting out of the price. > > 3) It is not cheap and has a limited shelf life. Very true. An epipen has about 1 year shelf life. > 4) If you have never used a puffer (or learnt how they should be used) > get some one to teach you. You must time the puff very carefully to make > sure the patient breathes it all in rather than blowing it all out > before it has any affect. Your reference to a puffer sounds like counter measure for asthma, what we might refer to as an inhaler. My suspicion is the epipen has a much heavier load of epinepherine than the inhaler. > 5) If you need to use it, you may have difficulty because the patient > must co-operate with good breathing to get the stuff in. People whoare > panicking are less co-operative. Frankly when I consider jamming that epipen needle into my leg I wonder how "cooperative" I would be. In the case of anaphylatic shock though, the victim won't be in much condition to resist - they may well be approaching unconsciousness. These are only thoughts based on careful reading - fortunately I have no hands on experience with the use of an epipen and hope it stays that way. AL From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Tue May 25 17:48:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:16:37 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7id8i6$el3$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <3745A96C.E25CB0B@midtown.net> <3748C943.C767D521@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.15 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 927606150 15011 208.247.251.15 (25 May 1999 04:22:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 1999 04:22:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17730 Did I miss sumething here? We had a physician talk to our bee club about stings and allergies and the Epipen, which he demonstrated (with a dummy Epipen!) It was a pen shaped hypodermic that gives a measured dose of epiphenidrine(?) to who/whatever you jab it against. He recommended that beekeepers have one available for emergencies. (A prescription is required in the US, but any doctor would give one to a beekeeper...) It sure was not an inhaler, which would be difficult to use on someone with systemic shock from beestings! Chris Allen wrote in message news:3748C943.C767D521@ozemail.com.au... I looked into this about 4 years ago. Don't hold me to the details because I am relying on memory from then 1) Epipen is a way of giving a hormone (adrenaline?) via a puffer / inhaler similar to the type used athsmatics to settle their breathing. 2) It does not require a prescription (in Australia) but the average chemist is not familiar with it because it is not commonly ordered. They will probably look up a few manuals to make sure what it's all about. It can take several days to get it in. 3) It is not cheap and has a limited shelf life. 4) If you have never used a puffer (or learnt how they should be used) get some one to teach you. You must time the puff very carefully to make sure the patient breathes it all in rather than blowing it all out before it has any affect. 5) If you need to use it, you may have difficulty because the patient must co-operate with good breathing to get the stuff in. People who are panicking are less co-operative. JKimbro wrote: > I heard there was something new on the allergic reaction front. Has > anyone heard about it? From gcvisel@aeroinc.net Tue May 25 17:48:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!ffx4nh4!not-for-mail From: "Gerry Visel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with Hive. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:27:41 -0500 Organization: UUNET Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7idaam$fj7$1@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net> References: <1999May24.130812.22862@lafn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.247.251.15 X-Trace: ffx2nh4.news.uu.net 927607958 15975 208.247.251.15 (25 May 1999 04:52:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh4.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 1999 04:52:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17731 When they are in a swarm like that, they are scouting for a place to live, and are not too defensive. Mowing should not bother them but... Better idea is to catch the swarm! Find a local beekeeper through the local coop, sherriff's office, or even natural history museum, or maybe even from the label on honey at the local store... That low and big is a nice new colony to catch! (S)He'll put a box of frames below it, and they'll just walk right on in and he has a new colony! :-))) Five minute job if they're that low and accessible. More than likely, they will have found a new home somewhere and flown on in a day or two. (Unless they got all wet from your rain!) wrote in message news:1999May24.130812.22862@lafn.org... I noticed a swarm in my backyard yesterday in northern Ohio. Found a football size hive about 6' off the ground in a pine tree. Should I do anything? Is it safe to mow here.? To me they looked like honeybees but I cant be sure. The "hive" just looked like a beard made of bees. e-mail please. THANKS -- am197@lafn.org OR ej487@cleveland.freenet.edu From lithar@midwest.net Tue May 25 17:48:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hive bottoms? How good? Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:57:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 14 Message-ID: <374A2DA2.796D@midwest.net> References: <7ico1q$29sq$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927608846 .ZFUVYH4M1C2FD0EBC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17732 Zadigvolta wrote: > > I have never used them and am wondering if they bend as the plastic inner > covers did until they placed the spacers on them. Even with the spacers > they still bend in to some degree. How does the plastic bottom board hold > up under the weight of the hive? Any comments appreciated. Zadig I saw some plastic bottom boards in use for the first time a couple of weeks ago - I was favorably impressed. The same apiary had one hive with a plastic inner cover - I'll never have one of those. AL From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue May 25 17:48:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Blonde Bees Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:04:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 May 1999 17:05:27 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun May 16 10:15:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust207.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373EFA87.7FDF@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17733 Anglin wrote: > > I'm seeing Blone Bees mixed in with the others in one of my hives! > > The queen was naturally mated last summer (August/ Sept) and up to now all > the bees have been leatery to dark colored. Suddenly I am seein young, > Blonde colored bees. Their legs and other chitenous areas are a blonish > carmel color instead of brown or black, and the bansing on their abdomens is > very faint- sort of caramel and honey colored. (Very Pretty looking in the > midst of their dark sisters) > So far only about 10-20% of the bees are Blonde. Could this be Cordovan > genes coming out? I thought cordovans were red colored? > Any theories? > > Ellen I was always told that blonds have more fun. Maybe your girls find it true also. Don From allend@internode.net Tue May 25 17:48:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why did this happen? Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 05:17:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7idbok$6ia$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <373f114e.0@newsman.viper.net> <7i5art$u6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i7aq2$6p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7i7nln$eml$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37480161.0@newsman.viper.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 25 05:17:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17734 "Ralph Landry" wrote: >>> The queen cells were NOT sealed, in fact there were no eggs in that comb at all. Because of the space between the frames and queen cage the bees had started building an 8"L x 6"W comb near the queen cage. This comb had two queen cells that were in the process of being built up (down)<<<. Okay! I think I got it now. There were no eggs in the hive. The bees had built a comb in the gap and on that comb were several *empty* queen cells? If this is what you are saying, that is easy to understand. When bees have no queen or a failing queen, or sometimes just for the general heck of it, they build cells to raise a queen. In many normal hives with normal queens we see what are called 'play cells', empty cells that the bees have started and don't seem to ever raise larvae in, or finish. In your case, I would assume that the bees detected that something was wrong with the queen (after all she was not laying) and started getting ready to replace her as best they could. Hence the cells. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Tue May 25 17:48:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:25:24 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ie8eb$5lm$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ibf14$5hu$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927638795 5814 129.173.88.206 (25 May 1999 13:26:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 1999 13:26:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17735 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > Hi. What do you use to control the Varroa? > Adam > Formic acid and cutting out drone brood, for more than 6 years now. Application of Formic Acid first by using a kind of soaked cardboard in perforated plastic bag on top in the hive. Now, for the last 3 years a plastic applicator with cardboard wick which is set next to the brood nest in an emty frame. Nerver lost a queen or a hive. Weather is sometimes the tricky part -not to hot not to cold-, one treathment in summer after last honey harvesting (End of July in Germany) and another one in late September during feeding. Cheers Ulli From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Tue May 25 17:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374AC3FD.A47170E7@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen References: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> <37485d83.2684045@news.eni.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:38:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 927646348 24.92.236.85 (Tue, 25 May 1999 11:32:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:32:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17736 Yup -- at least here in c. NY, chestnuts are just at peak bloom, w/ large full flower clusters. Evidently the bees are partial to that type of pollen. Anglin wrote: > Probably Chestnut- I think I have seen them blooming in my neigborhood- > Large upright clusters of flowers? Very showy? > The pollen is brick red- almost burgundy. > > Ellen From benoit.brachet@wanadoo.fr Tue May 25 17:48:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Benoît BRACHET" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:22:15 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntreims11-28.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927652680 7107 164.138.48.28 (25 May 1999 17:18:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 1999 17:18:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3205 alt.agriculture.beef:1669 alt.agriculture.commodities:305 alt.agriculture.fruit:9054 alt.agriculture.misc:10959 alt.agriculture.technology:312 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22519 sci.agriculture:34554 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17737 sci.agriculture.fruit:2743 sci:1584 Va sur http://www.terre-net.fr/ lycopersicum.solanum a écrit dans le message : 7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr... > Je suis surpris du peu d'agriculteurs français sur les news. > Pourriez vous m'indiquer quels sont les news les plus apprèciès par les > agriculteurs? > > Merci > Lyco > > > > > From DianeBaxter@bobs3.demon.co.uk Tue May 25 17:48:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!bobs3.demon.co.uk!DianeBaxter From: Diane Baxter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nation Hive Plane Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:35:42 +0100 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bobs3.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: bobs3.demon.co.uk:212.228.67.63 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 927646641 nnrp-10:4326 NO-IDENT bobs3.demon.co.uk:212.228.67.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17738 Hello, Does anyone know where I may find plans to build a National Hive from the net ? Many thanks -- Diane Baxter From paulp@ims.com Tue May 25 17:48:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:21:32 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <374ACE0C.BF8A792C@ims.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17739 Sue Snyder wrote: > -snip- am being denied by the Township > Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of > agriculture. -snip- > Jeff in Michigan How about a beekeeping research center funded by the USDA? Look up: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/ Paul From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Wed May 26 11:50:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Date: Tue, 25 May 99 18:51:04 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3747771F.9DB5DF6@cgocable.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.125 X-Trace: 927661814 Y.AP37JYI987DCE81C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17740 Hi, "Oldest pursuits ." There are searchable texts of the Bible, on the web, aren't there ? Seems to me, like I remember that fruit trees, timber, and honey bees are protected under divine decree . I don't claim to be a Christian, but I read the book, when I was a kid, and while it's rough on "strangers", it's hard-core about protecting agricultural assets . Something else to look into . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/22/99 8:33PM, in message <3747771F.9DB5DF6@cgocable.net>, Peter Thoem wrote: Beekeeping in Ontario, published by the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food contains the following first sentence: "Beekeeping is one of the oldest of agricultural pursuits." If you want to know more about this publication, e-mail me direct. Peter  
Beekeeping in Ontario, published by the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food contains the following first sentence:
"Beekeeping is one of the oldest of agricultural pursuits."

If you want to know more about this publication, e-mail me direct.

Peter From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Wed May 26 11:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee vac plans Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:16:22 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 22 Message-ID: <374bf296.74155269@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3745EFB3.1126@mindspring.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co57-43.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 25 2:16:35 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17741 To David & All who need the bee vac plans: Feel free to e-mail me with your requests - However, be sure to remove the brackets and "nospam" info from the reply address or your reply will certainly bounce. My address is on enough SPAMmers lists to keep me happy for awhile and don't wish to make it easy for them by posting my full address without these precautions. Feel free to reply on the bee-vac info or inquire with questions as I'm always happy to help with feral hive removals (among other bee-issues). Regards, Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On Fri, 21 May 1999 23:43:47 +0000, David Smith wrote: >To the supplier of bee vac plans - My mail to you bounced, >so please send me a set. From lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Wed May 26 11:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum.solanum" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:20:35 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7if4d2$3f6$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net> <7ibv62$3of$1@wanadoo.fr> <3749A56B.5784151E@ciril.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntnts10-118.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927667426 3558 164.138.224.118 (25 May 1999 21:23:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 May 1999 21:23:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3206 alt.agriculture.beef:1670 alt.agriculture.commodities:306 alt.agriculture.fruit:9056 alt.agriculture.misc:10960 alt.agriculture.technology:313 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22520 sci.agriculture:34561 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17742 sci.agriculture.fruit:2745 Ceux que je frèquente?: facile ce sont tous ceux auquel sont envoyès ce message. Regarde la liste dans la rubrique "groupes de discussion" de ce message après avoir double cliqué dessus. Mais c'est vrai qu'il n'en existe aucun pour le maraichage. J'ai voulu en crèer un mais comme il n'y a presque pas de professionnels maraichers qui viennent discuter sur ces news, je n'ai pas vu l'interêt de crèer ce news: ce n'est pas un besoin actuel! Cela m'étonne d'autant plus que les maraiches sont toujours près à rouspèter sur les marchès, ... Mais sur le net RIEN! Bizare non? Alors où sont-ils? Qu'en penses tu? Lyco Christian Herbé a écrit dans le message : 3749A56B.5784151E@ciril.fr... > lycopersicum.solanum a écrit: > > > > Je cherche des news où vont les agriculteurs français pour discuter de > > techniques (je suis moi même un professionnel en maraîchage). Ils vont bien > > quelques part puisque je ne vois jamais aucunes interventions de leurs part > > sur la dizaine de news agricoles auquel je me suis abonné. > > Tu pourrais donner les adresses de ceux que tu fréquentes ? > Moi je n'en connais aucun. > Il y bien qlq sites WEB mais de forum, neni ! From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed May 26 11:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:56:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> <37485d83.2684045@news.eni.net> <374AC3FD.A47170E7@twcny.rr.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 25 May 1999 21:58:14 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue May 25 15:05:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust141.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <374B1C90.2033@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17743 JGinNY wrote: > > Yup -- at least here in c. NY, chestnuts are just at peak bloom, w/ large > full flower clusters. Evidently the bees are partial to that type of > pollen. > Anglin wrote: > > > Probably Chestnut- I think I have seen them blooming in my neigborhood- > > Large upright clusters of flowers? Very showy? > > The pollen is brick red- almost burgundy. > > > > Ellen When we were stationed in Germany, we knew a beekeeper that took his hives to the chestnut bloom for a major honey flow. Don in NC From cherbe@ciril.fr Wed May 26 11:50:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!isdnet!ciril.fr!not-for-mail From: "Christian Herbé" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:54:14 +0200 Organization: CIRIL, Nancy, France Lines: 35 Message-ID: <374B2A16.B682DF01@ciril.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net> <7ibv62$3of$1@wanadoo.fr> <3749A56B.5784151E@ciril.fr> <7if4d2$3f6$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: stan-rtc132.ciril.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3207 alt.agriculture.beef:1671 alt.agriculture.commodities:307 alt.agriculture.fruit:9057 alt.agriculture.misc:10961 alt.agriculture.technology:314 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22521 sci.agriculture:34562 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17744 sci.agriculture.fruit:2746 lycopersicum.solanum a écrit: > Bizare non? Alors où sont-ils? > Qu'en penses tu? Ben effectivement, y a pas grand'monde! Ce que j'en pense ? Je ne sais trop quoi dire sinon constater que les agris n'ont pas encore pris le NET au sérieux ! Au début des années 80, j'ai participé aux débuts du minitel en agriculture. On y croyait très fort et l'on connait la suite mais la politique tarifaire de FT n'y est sans doute pas étrangère. Je crois aujourd'hui encore qu'il est absurde de taxer une communication "modem" au même prix qu'une conversation téléphonique. L'objet étant totalement différent, le temps passé en ligne n'est pas comparable. Si le NET s'est développé aussi vite aux US, c'est d'abord parce que ça ne coûte quasiment rien ! Mais peut être devons nous amorcer la pompe en publiant ici des trucs susceptible d'élargir le cercle ? Donc si vous avez des questions concernant le PC (Personal Computer afin de lever toutes ambiguités), le traitement de données et plus précisement Excel appliqué à des questions agros, n'hésitez pas. Je fais de temps en temps de la formation et j'ai sous le coude un exemple d'utilisation du solveur pour comparer le coût d'un concentré fermier et celui d'un produit commercial. A+ From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Wed May 26 11:50:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buckfast Queens Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:45:39 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 927683304 24.93.149.35 (Tue, 25 May 1999 18:48:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:48:24 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17745 I've used italian Queens for many years. Recently I've become aware of the Buckfast strain and their resistance to tracheal mites. Could anyone recommend a good source for mail order queens? Do italian colonies accept them well? Are they better than the "Survivor" Italians from York Bee Co. of Georgia? Do they adapt to the weather in the northeast USA? From thoem@cgocable.net Wed May 26 11:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <374A064E.384ECE01@cgocable.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:09:18 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cgowave-40-127.cgocable.net X-Trace: 25 May 1999 22:11:28 -0500, cgowave-40-127.cgocable.net Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cgowave-40-127.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17746 If you go to www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee you will see that the OBA was incorporated under the Agricultural & Horticultural Organizations Act (1987). Perhaps Michigan has a similar association incorporated under similar legislation. Sue Snyder wrote: > I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment > and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an > equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township > Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of > agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to > be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone > point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. > > Jeff in Michigan From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Wed May 26 11:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: non bee swarms? Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:38:21 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.00.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 26 May 1999 02:32:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17747 Is there such a thing as a non-honey bee swarm? That is, do wasps or yellow jackets swarm? From pfranke@databasix.com Wed May 26 11:50:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:48:33 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7ifuk0$ie9$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> References: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17748 Carman wrote in message <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo>... >Greetings > >I found the following in in the NZ news file at >http://www.7am.com > > it really concerns me the risks involved for our bees.. >Monsanto are negotiating to plant GM rape seed in NZ.. this crosses very >readily with other brassicas... cabbage etc .. I noticed this season that >our bees were particularly attracted to my broccoli flower seed >what will be the impact? Because Bt is a naturally occurring bacteria that affects caterpillars only, it shouldn't affect the foraging honeybees per se. One of my concerns, however, is what long-term impact bringing the pollen back to the hive would have on the larvae. I'm a weekly agricultural columnist for AgDomain ( http://www.agdomain.com ) and I've commented on the GM issue a couple of times, expressing my reservations on the lack of adequate study before putting these crops out in the general community. The Monarch study done at Cornell I believe is seriously flawed (which I've written about this week) but doesn't mean my reservations have been lessened. I hadn't realized that rape readily crosses with other brassicas. Are GM crops being raised in New Zealand now? Or is Pioneer's application the first salvo? In any event, I suggest you become quite active and vocal. If you need appropriate links on the topic, I'd be glad to provide them. As an aside, the US EPA apparently has enough concerns about the possibility of pests building a resistance to Bt that they have scheduled a public workshop on the subject on June 18 in Chicago. Paula pfranke@agdomain.com From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 26 11:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:14:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7i8i32$l3j$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7i7b9f$kk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990522221647.29567.00003817@ng-fg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17749 orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) wrote: > I would be devastated if almonds, apples, stone fruits, > and other bee-dependent crops became too expensive >for the average consumer. >Kelly Pardon my ignorance but what's a stone fruit? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed May 26 11:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:19:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7i8ic4$l3j$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17750 "Sue Snyder" wrote: >I am new to beekeeping in west central Michigan. I have purchased equipment >and have 40 new hives and plan to split off 20 more. I need to build an >equipment building on my five acres, and am being denied by the Township >Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an actual branch of >agriculture. It seems that the only way they will allow a pole building to >be built (without a residence) is for agricultural purposes. Can anyone >point me to information which would provide the proof I need? Thanks. >Jeff in Michigan Have you tried your state department of agriculture? They should have an apiary inspection branch. Also IRS schedule "F" that you filed should help. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dlpaxton@gate.net Wed May 26 11:50:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tvd.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Destroying Africanized Colony Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:41:30 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <374beae9.4816854@news.gate.net> References: <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> <1834878B7S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsdfb1-250.gate.net X-Trace: news.gate.net 927722499 73368 199.227.5.123 (26 May 1999 12:41:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 12:41:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17751 On Mon, 24 May 99 08:35:01 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >One way to snuff a hive without rendering it unusable is a little powdered >sulfur in your smoker. Powdered sulfur is readily available at any garden >shop as a dust for rose bushes. When it burns the smoke is noxious, avoid >inhaling the fumes. Also be very careful dumping the sulfur into your This is basicly the same procedure used in "sulfuring" food to be dried. Does it contaminate the honey at all? Assuming that you will be removing the dead bees, centrifuging the frames (to remove any hatching larve) can the honey frames be used? Sounds like this would be a good cure for almost everything infecting a hive. With one exception of course. Big Dave From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun May 30 07:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Destroying Africanized Colony Date: Wed, 26 May 99 10:15:46 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1834A9056S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3746EE7B.48A8795E@onramp.net> <1834878B7S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <374beae9.4816854@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17752 In article <374beae9.4816854@news.gate.net> dlpaxton@gate.net writes: > >On Mon, 24 May 99 08:35:01 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >wrote: >> ... a little powdered >>sulfur in your smoker.... > >This is basicly the same procedure used in "sulfuring" food to be >dried. Does it contaminate the honey at all? I do not know the answer to the question. I have only "sulphured" brood chambers of hives with undesireable traits - laying worker and severely nasty bees. In the former cases there are rarely honey supers, in the later case the honey supers were emptied first. Dead bees were cleaned out and the equipment was restocked. I do not make any claims beyond the fumes will kill your bees and the equipment can be reused after being aired out without harming the bees which inhabit the aired out equipment. Aaron Morris - thinking I don't know it all, but wishing I did! From afichera@iol.it Sun May 30 07:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!i2unix!newsfeed.iol.it!not-for-mail From: "Alessandro Fichera" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Distributors seeking Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:38:26 +0200 Organization: Italia Online Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7ih7tm$aar$4@hermes.iol.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-pool-13-67-109.iol.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17753 T A B E C -- S. r. l. Italian Beekeeping Company Tabec S.r.l. was born in Guastalla (Italy) by energy and competence of the present owners. 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Giacomo di Guastalla Reggio Emilia - ITALY Tel. +39 0522 831206 Fax. +39 0522 831114 E-mail: afichera@iol.it tabec@tin.it From lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Sun May 30 07:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum.solanum" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:05:24 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Message-ID: <7ihdig$fdo$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <37488c71.0@news.guernsey.net> <7ibv62$3of$1@wanadoo.fr> <3749A56B.5784151E@ciril.fr> <7if4d2$3f6$1@wanadoo.fr> <374B2A16.B682DF01@ciril.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntnts9-136.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927742352 15800 164.138.77.136 (26 May 1999 18:12:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 18:12:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3209 alt.agriculture.beef:1672 alt.agriculture.commodities:308 alt.agriculture.fruit:9059 alt.agriculture.misc:10962 alt.agriculture.technology:315 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22522 sci.agriculture:34576 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17754 sci.agriculture.fruit:2749 tout à fait d'accord avec toi, il faut peut être leur montrer le chemin sur les news en choisissant 3 ou 4 news agricoles et en y discutant actualitè. Partant? Bon il va falloir trouver des sujets de conversation! Je vais y rèflèchir pour demain! Lyco Christian Herbé a écrit dans le message : 374B2A16.B682DF01@ciril.fr... > lycopersicum.solanum a écrit: > > > Bizare non? Alors où sont-ils? > > Qu'en penses tu? > > Ben effectivement, y a pas grand'monde! > Ce que j'en pense ? Je ne sais trop quoi dire > sinon constater que les agris n'ont pas encore > pris le NET au sérieux ! > Au début des années 80, j'ai participé aux > débuts du minitel en agriculture. On y croyait > très fort et l'on connait la suite mais la politique > tarifaire de FT n'y est sans doute pas > étrangère. Je crois aujourd'hui encore > qu'il est absurde de taxer une communication > "modem" au même prix qu'une conversation > téléphonique. L'objet étant totalement > différent, le temps passé en ligne n'est > pas comparable. Si le NET s'est développé > aussi vite aux US, c'est d'abord parce que > ça ne coûte quasiment rien ! > > Mais peut être devons nous amorcer la pompe > en publiant ici des trucs susceptible d'élargir > le cercle ? > Donc si vous avez des questions concernant le PC > (Personal Computer afin de lever toutes ambiguités), > le traitement de données et plus précisement Excel > appliqué à des questions agros, n'hésitez pas. > Je fais de temps en temps de la formation et j'ai > sous le coude un exemple d'utilisation du solveur > pour comparer le coût d'un concentré fermier > et celui d'un produit commercial. > > A+ From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabor Redler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor wanted Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:48:52 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7ihcah$563$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.7.242 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 927741073 5315 12.68.7.242 (26 May 1999 17:51:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 17:51:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17755 Hello all. I have a few hives and want to purchase an extractor. I'm looking for something small like a 2 - 4 frame extractor. Are these easy to find used? Also, has anyone used the plastic 2 frame hand crank that Dadant & Sons now has available? Please send me any feed back on how good or bad this is. Redshrike@worldnet.att.net From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 30 07:19:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 May 1999 19:43:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374C3A73.E6C8E7C4@digizen.net> Message-ID: <19990526154345.20835.00000515@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17756 For spring I dump a 5lb bag of sugar into a gallon pickle jar and add hot water out of the tap. If you leave an inch of head space you can shake it up and then add the rest of the water. Close enough for govt work. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun May 30 07:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: four virgin queens Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 05:52:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <373E0072.3E93@earthlink.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 17 May 1999 09:53:30 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon May 17 02:55:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <373FE6C7.2CD@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17757 Real Name: wrote: > > Hi, > > A little good news for a rainy day . A little up date. I checked the small bunch of bees that had two vergin queens yesterday. One alive, one dead, Put her in an observation hive with a rack of bees and emerging brood. She took like bees to honey. I'll count the days till she starts laying. Don From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:54:56 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7ihfuc$kg4$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.28 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 927744780 20996 12.72.40.28 (26 May 1999 18:53:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 18:53:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17758 You made candy! For 1:1 syrup, hot water out of the tap is sufficient to dissolve the sugar. No need to make a big mess in the kitchen. How did you determine that 86% had crystalized and not, say 85%? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Shelley Corbin wrote in message news:7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com... > okay, i tried to make sugar syrup, four cups sugar, four cups water, > stirred it until it was bubblingand boiling and thick, cut it off the > fire about 10 minutes later, put it outside to cool a bit for 10 minutes > so i could place it in my feeder, (temp was 60 degrees), but when i > opened the pan again 86 percent of it hadcrystalized into a solid. what > did i do wrong? its has been cold and rainy here for four days and i am > concerned about them. i have three books, but only one gave loose > instructions, no details. > From taylaw@digizen.net Sun May 30 07:19:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.212 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:16:19 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <374C3A73.E6C8E7C4@digizen.net> References: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 927746136 101700 209.194.78.12 (26 May 1999 19:15:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 19:15:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17759 Unless you're making caramel.... boil the water, measure and THEN mix it with the sugar. Don't boil the mixture. I mix 50/50 without heating anything and without any significant precipitate. In addition to caramelizing your sugar, boiling the mix may have evaporated some of your water, liking simmering spaghetti sauce to thicken it (which is why I suggest measuring post-boil). Some people say you should measure by weight rather than volume, but I use volume without any problems. Shelley Corbin wrote: > okay, i tried to make sugar syrup, four cups sugar, four cups water, > stirred it until it was bubblingand boiling and thick, cut it off the > fire about 10 minutes later, put it outside to cool a bit for 10 minutes > so i could place it in my feeder, (temp was 60 degrees), but when i > opened the pan again 86 percent of it hadcrystalized into a solid. what > did i do wrong? its has been cold and rainy here for four days and i am > concerned about them. i have three books, but only one gave loose > instructions, no details. From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 May 1999 21:01:43 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17760 Is it true that a top bar hive will produce purest most natural product since no foundation is required. Its too bad that bureaucrats have outlawed them in some areas of the country in favour of the langstroth type hive. From lauramleek@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 May 1999 22:28:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990526154345.20835.00000515@ng-cp1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990526182851.02110.00007007@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17761 I use 1 for 1 by volume. I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture to boiling and let boil for 5 minutes. This is a simple sugar, used in canning and feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do not ferment as quickly. As for some evaporation......If you don't tell the bees, they won't know. Laura From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:22:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7ihtil$6ee$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-45.isotretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927758741 6606 62.136.74.45 (26 May 1999 22:45:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 22:45:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17762 No need for heat - use water from the hot tap if you like - but sugar will dissolve in cold water if kept moving for 10 to 15 mins. Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>... >okay, i tried to make sugar syrup, four cups sugar, four cups water, >stirred it until it was bubblingand boiling and thick, cut it off the >fire about 10 minutes later, From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Northeast Red Pollen Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:29:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ihtin$6ee$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990522212343.22776.00003913@ng42.aol.com> <37485d83.2684045@news.eni.net> <374AC3FD.A47170E7@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-45.isotretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927758743 6606 62.136.74.45 (26 May 1999 22:45:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 22:45:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17763 Brick red in the UK as well - very distinctive as the bees tend to get it on their thoraces and wings. Flowers at the same time as oil seed rape, dandelion, apple and perhaps hawthorn (dependent on the season). Nectar up to 84% sugar - therefore very attractive to bees (the nectar, I think, rather than the pollen). I often have hives beside rape that bring in chestnut pollen, even though there are no trees in sight! JGinNY wrote in message <374AC3FD.A47170E7@twcny.rr.com>... >Yup -- at least here in c. NY, chestnuts are just at peak bloom, w/ large >full flower clusters. Evidently the bees are partial to that type of >pollen. >Anglin wrote: > >> Probably Chestnut- I think I have seen them blooming in my neigborhood- >> Large upright clusters of flowers? Very showy? >> The pollen is brick red- almost burgundy. >> >> Ellen > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: non bee swarms? Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:22:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ihtim$6ee$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-45.isotretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927758742 6606 62.136.74.45 (26 May 1999 22:45:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 22:45:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17764 No. David Smith wrote in message <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com>... >Is there such a thing as a non-honey bee swarm? That is, do >wasps or yellow jackets swarm? From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun May 30 07:19:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update on virgin queen Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:08:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 May 1999 21:09:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed May 26 14:15:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust161.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <374C62B5.4409@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17765 This is to update everyone on the virgin queen taken from a house sealed in a queen cell and hatched the same day on May 15, 1999. I put her in an observation hive with sealed brood, larva and eggs on May 15. She is laying today may 26. That is 11 days. I expect to see the first eggs hatching in four days. I have not checked the other two yet. One was accepted and doing well last week but not laying. I have found that it is easiest to requeen during the honey flow and introducing a virgin queen is almost fail safe. Don in NC From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.iae.nl!chippy.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin queens Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:41:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7ihtio$6ee$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990524233712.02277.00001981@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7idel8$1lm$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ig50e$d5j$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-45.isotretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927758744 6606 62.136.74.45 (26 May 1999 22:45:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 22:45:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17766 Adam Personal observation! Nucs with no brood and a virgin often swarm when the queen flies to mate. If rehived, you can see the 'mating sign' as the queen enters the hive. I suspect that this is, again, natural selection at work; if there is no brood then the colony has no chance of survival without the queen and therefore follows her when she flies. It is this type of swarm that often absconds - probably because it has no brood (i.e. investment) to which it feels a need to return. In the case of a full sized colony that swarms, a similar behaviour is seen if one virgin survives and is then delayed from taking her mating flight, perhaps by bad weather, until all the brood has hatched; the result is a massive swarm - which may not return to the now empty hive, giving the appearance of absconding. Sometimes these large swarms are taken by beekeepers and abscond when hived (much to the disappointment of the beekeeper!) because the queen flies again to mate - and the swarm goes with her. Adam Finkelstein wrote in message <7ig50e$d5j$1@golux.radix.net>... >In article <7idel8$1lm$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, > >Peter Edwards wrote: > >>She will possibly mate whilst swarming (there are mating swarms where the >>bees fly out with the queen on her mating flight - usually if there is no >>brood left in a mating nuc). > >Really? I'd like a citation on this ascpect of virgin queen mating behavior >if you've got one. > >thanks, >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:18:02 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ihtij$6ee$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ibf14$5hu$1@golux.radix.net> <7ie8eb$5lm$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-45.isotretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927758739 6606 62.136.74.45 (26 May 1999 22:45:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 22:45:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17767 Does cutting out drone brood select for varroa that infest worker brood? Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> > wrote in message <7ie8eb$5lm$1@News.Dal.Ca>... > > >Adam Finkelstein wrote: >> > >> Hi. What do you use to control the Varroa? >> Adam >> >Formic acid and cutting out drone brood, for more than 6 years now. From jimowen@swbell.net Sun May 30 07:19:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374C86F7.11EF038B@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update on virgin queen References: <374C62B5.4409@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:42:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.56.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 927758520 151.164.56.17 (Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:00 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17768 Was she allowed to get out on a mating flight or did she violate all the literature and do it while at home? (or, is she laying Drones?) I just cooked up 40 queens myself in a Jenter box (actually Mann Lake box). Added 2 queen cells each to about a dozen Nucs, and will let them decide for themselves who survives to rule. Will check this weekend to see how they're doing. Later, Jim workerbee wrote: > This is to update everyone on the virgin queen taken from a house sealed > in a queen cell and hatched the same day on May 15, 1999. I put her in > an observation hive with sealed brood, larva and eggs on May 15. She is > laying today may 26. That is 11 days. I expect to see the first eggs > hatching in four days. I have not checked the other two yet. One was > accepted and doing well last week but not laying. I have found that it > is easiest to requeen during the honey flow and introducing a virgin > queen is almost fail safe. > > Don in NC From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun May 30 07:19:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:53:41 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 35 Message-ID: <374C9794.DE6F7FC4@valley.net> References: <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17769 rick wrote: > Thank you for the info Paul. This raises one other question, however. Can > Canadian breeders ship to the US without customs hassles? A Canadian bred > queen might be better suited to Southern Maine than one from Texas, although > I might try both as Adam Finklestein suggests for comparison. greetings, i have received buckfast queens from canada without a problem [i'm in new hampshire] and found them to be excellent. well, i did have a problem with the u.s. postal service delivering my queens to a roadside, black mailbox in july at noon on a sunny day, but that was detailed in an earlier thread. when i asked the supplier to deliver via ups, since my ups driver places packages in my garage, i was told that ups has a problem delivering bees over the border, but the postal service does not. so, the bees will make the border crossing without incident, but you do take a chance on your queens being cooked or frozen by the u.s. postal service, depending on your location and the time of year. i'd like to know, if anyone else in the states has had a similar experience with a canadian breeder [i.e. only shipping via postal service]. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun May 30 07:19:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need help:sugar syrup Date: 26 May 1999 17:48:27 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap1-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 927740907 000 192.168.253.45 (26 May 1999 17:48:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 17:48:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17770 okay, i tried to make sugar syrup, four cups sugar, four cups water, stirred it until it was bubblingand boiling and thick, cut it off the fire about 10 minutes later, put it outside to cool a bit for 10 minutes so i could place it in my feeder, (temp was 60 degrees), but when i opened the pan again 86 percent of it hadcrystalized into a solid. what did i do wrong? its has been cold and rainy here for four days and i am concerned about them. i have three books, but only one gave loose instructions, no details. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 30 07:19:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor wanted Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 May 1999 18:05:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ihcah$563$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <19990526140503.01107.00000527@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17771 Pretty hard to beat the Italian "compact deluxe" that Brushy mtn sells IMO. The plastic one from Dadant might be ok but the few people I know that have one hate it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 30 07:19:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB: Hive Bodies/Supers w/frames Date: 26 May 1999 18:21:40 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7ihe3k$jl9$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17772 My splits are doing remarkably well and I am running out of equipment. Anybody in the states of PA, NJ, DE, MD, WV panhandle, or N. Virginia have any hivebodies and/or supers with frames available for purchase? I would like to pick up at least 40 more units. My colonies are located near Philadelphia, but I don't mind doing some driving, and have a good utility trailer. Dave T. -- From adamf@vt.edu Sun May 30 07:19:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Date: 26 May 1999 07:20:31 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7ig7bv$d95$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17773 In article <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: > >Buckfast bees are a registered hybrid. Their breeders have to be >licensed by Buckfast Abbey, to whom they pay a fee. So there are fewer >Buckfast breeders than breeders of naturally occurring races of bees. Hi. Interesting. "Buckfast" bees are not really a "hybrid". They are more of a line bred or line, or pure-bred: like Holstein cows or Merino sheep. Honey bee "races" is also an interesting concept, especially when looking at the biogeography of honey bees world-wide and where man has used agricultural selection to alter honey bee phenotypes. Honey bees have an intimate relationship/association with man. The term for this is synanthropy. Another insect that has a similar relationship with us is the German cockroach. Again though, depending on your terminology and how you define taxonomic units in biology, most honey bees in the USA are "American"--a mix of many different stocks. Buckfast honey bees were selected intensively over a long time. They are still honey bees, but are a creative population (or rather population of specific phenotypes that do not vary very much) existing due to careful attention of man, (A man: Brother Adam, and now others at Buckfast Abbey) and the marching, grinding wheels of biology. One needs to import Buckfast semen to raise Buckfast bees. In the USA, this is illegal, except for B. Weaver, who has somehow managed to circumvent the archaic (IMHO) bee importation quarantine. The Canadian breeders have selected lines using the Buckfast Abbey genetic material. Their lines, owing to their breeding and production location, are different, than the USA (Texas) Buckfast lines one would assume. Testing these different Buckfast lines, available in North America, would be interesting. How would they compare and contrast? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Sun May 30 07:19:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum.solanum" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:09:40 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Message-ID: <7ihdii$fdo$2@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntnts9-136.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927742354 15800 164.138.77.136 (26 May 1999 18:12:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 18:12:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3213 alt.agriculture.beef:1673 alt.agriculture.commodities:309 alt.agriculture.fruit:9061 alt.agriculture.misc:10963 alt.agriculture.technology:318 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22523 sci.agriculture:34585 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17774 sci.agriculture.fruit:2751 merci. Je connais en effet terre-net. C'est un très bon site. C'est forum sont très bien pour discuter d'un sujet particulier mais ce n'est pas pareil qu'un news. Ici tu peux parler de tout et puis c'est plus facile avec son logiciel de messagerie de travailler. Par exemple tu prèpare tes messages hors connection. Personnellement je trouve que même sur les forum terre-net, il n'y a pas grand monde. Lyco Benoît BRACHET a écrit dans le message : 7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr... > Va sur http://www.terre-net.fr/ > lycopersicum.solanum a écrit dans le > message : 7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr... > > Je suis surpris du peu d'agriculteurs français sur les news. > > Pourriez vous m'indiquer quels sont les news les plus apprèciès par les > > agriculteurs? > > > > Merci > > Lyco > > > > > > > > > > > > From honey.road@sympatico.ca Sun May 30 07:19:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374C9431.2BAAB9E8@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens References: <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:45:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.186 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 927765955 206.172.183.186 (Wed, 26 May 1999 20:45:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:45:55 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17777 I know Rick Neilson in Stratton does. He lives near the USborder, and send them >from the US I beleive. rick wrote: > Thank you for the info Paul. This raises one other question, however. Can > Canadian breeders ship to the US without customs hassles? A Canadian bred > queen might be better suited to Southern Maine than one from Texas, although > I might try both as Adam Finklestein suggests for comparison. From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun May 30 07:19:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:13:03 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <374C9C1F.4C01C4C7@valley.net> References: <19990526154345.20835.00000515@ng-cp1.aol.com> <19990526182851.02110.00007007@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17778 LauraMLeek wrote: > I use 1 for 1 by volume. > I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture to boiling and let boil for > 5 minutes. > > This is a simple sugar, used in canning and feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT > crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do not ferment as quickly. As > for some evaporation......If you don't tell the bees, they won't know. > > Laura greetings, for some reason, my news server did not show the original post of this thread. since the question has already been answered several times by others ["don't cook it, just dissolve it"], i will only point out that this thread should not be allowed to get too long or contain too many references to ratios and weight v.s. volume calculations. otherwise, aaron will become apoplectic. ;) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lets Take a Test # 5 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1999 04:05:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17779 Concerning Nectar... and Honey What types of sugar compounds Exist in Nectar 1. 2. What Types of sugar compounds do the bees convert this into for storage as Honey ( or for their use in general ) 1. 2. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey flow Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1999 04:07:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990527000758.15034.00000620@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17780 Flow goes well here But its a darker honey than the last few years, I suppose the tulip popular are making a comeback since the hurricane. Before the come back we had a few years of almost clear, blackberry and gum and clover. Hows everyone else ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From n9840241@cc.wwu.edu Sun May 30 07:19:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: n9840241@cc.wwu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer job Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:34:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7iii07$vdk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.201.210.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 27 04:34:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.201.210.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17781 Hello, My name is Ryan M. Murray, I am writing about the possibility of working on a honey bee farm this summer.  I have always been interested in bees, and I figure their would be nothing like the experience of working with them.  Admittedly I have no real bee keeping experience, but I am a quick learner and willing to do whatever needs to be done.  My Grandpa Liddell had a honey business for a number of years when I was a kid.  Part of my motivation perhaps for having an interest in the industry is that my Grandpa passed away last quarter and I would like to engage in activities I know he was interested in.  I'm easy to work with and I'm a hard worker as just about anyone who knows me will attest.  I will be a junior next year in college, hopefully as a Chemical Engineering major at the University of Washington if I get into the program.  I live in the greater Seattle, Washington (USA) area, but I'm willing to work almost anywhere.  Thanks for the help and taking the time to read my letter.      Ryan M. Murray  n9840241@cc.wwu.edu --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From dalicen@drbs.com Sun May 30 07:19:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dalicen" Subject: Where to buy... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: dial10.drbs.com/207.136.219.209 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 927816033504 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:40:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 927816044 216.200.3.205 (Thu, 27 May 1999 07:40:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:40:44 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17782 Dear Folks-- I'm not a beekeeper, but figured you'd be the ones to tell me where I can buy protective headwear, which I need because of allergy to black flies. Please email info back channel, and TIA! Debbie -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From bowyerpounds@dial.pipex.com Sun May 30 07:19:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "bowyerpounds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Calculator Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:53:55 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net> Reply-To: "bowyerpounds" NNTP-Posting-Host: useri076.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 927816671 16248 194.69.104.194 (27 May 1999 14:51:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 14:51:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17783 In June 1998 Beecraft (England) published a varroa calculator which I understand was being given to members of the BBKA. I remember that by counting the number of mites falling through a varroa screen it is possible to determine whether or not it is necessary to introduce some Bayvarol strips into the hive. I am aware that Beecraft are publishing pictures of the front of the calculator each month but it seems never the flip side. Unfortunately I have put my copy of June 1998 Beecraft somewhere safe and now cannot find it! Does anyone out there have a varroa calculator - if so can you confirm the estimated number of mites in my colony. Over a period of seven days ending 26/5/99 I had a drop through a screen covering the whole if the base of my hive of approx 75-80 mites. Many thanks Matthew Pounds From lithar@midwest.net Sun May 30 07:19:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor wanted Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:40:16 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 17 Message-ID: <374D5950.6666@midwest.net> References: <7ihcah$563$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <19990526140503.01107.00000527@ng-cq1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.107 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927816073 .ZFUVYH4MC 6BD0EBC usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17784 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Pretty hard to beat the Italian "compact deluxe" that Brushy mtn sells IMO. > The plastic one from Dadant might be ok but the few people I know that have one > hate it. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com The 9-frame radial for just a few more bucks is a nice machine - the gearing is very smooth and the basket assembly is well balanced. All materials appear to be top quality. I bought one last fall, but didn't get a chance to use it - and no, Skip, I'm not going to elaborate. AL From bobpursley@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy... Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1999 16:29:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990527122913.15309.00000232@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17785 In article , "Dalicen" writes: > >I'm not a beekeeper, but figured you'd be the ones to tell me where I >can buy protective headwear, which I need because of allergy to black >flies. Please email info back channel, and TIA! > I think it would be very comforable if you just used an ordinary widebrim hat, with tulle (bridal veil material) attached (use BLACK material so you wont be blinded with glare. If you cant get black, dye it.).. You can gather it at the bottom, tucking it into your shirt, or make an elastic band for the bottom. Beekeepers Headgear will be much to elaborate and hot for your use. From sylviae@arches.uga.edu Sun May 30 07:19:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!finch!cronkite.cc.uga.edu!wallace.ucns.uga.edu!user From: sylviae@arches.uga.edu (sylvia elliott) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: glove recommendation Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:13:42 -0400 Organization: univ of georgia Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wallace.ucns.uga.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17786 I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. I've looked in vain in catalogs/literature/web for comparisons of glove resistance to stings, but no luck. Can someone tell me what gloves are impervious to stings? I bought the heavy coated canvas gauntlets but saw someone get stung through an identical pair. And they leave yellow marks on whatever I touch. Will kitchen rubber gloves stop stingers? Leather is expensive, but do they stop stings. I understand thick gloves dull the senses. Maybe two pairs of thinner gloves are better than 1 thick leather pair? I just attended a day long beekeeping institute and none of the instructors wore gloves for the hands-on sessions (installing bees, splitting hives, general management). I was the only attendee in head-to-toe white spacesuit with gauntlets. But I didn't get stung either :) -- Sylvia Elliott Univ. Computing and Networking Svces Univ of Georgia sylviae@arches.uga.edu From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Sun May 30 07:19:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:29:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7ig4cq$6rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 26 06:29:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.57, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17787 "rick" wrote: > Could anyone > recommend a good source for mail order [Buckfast] queens? Do italian colonies accept > them well? There's no reason for Italian workers to resist a Buckfast queen. Natural pheromone production allows a queen of any race/ subspecies of Apis mellifera or hybrid thereof to satisfy the chemical needs of the workers of any other race. Requeen even an Africanized hive with a Buckfast queen. As for your first question, in the US the sources for Buckfast bees are: The R Weaver Apiaries, Inc. Rt. 1, Box 260 Navasota, TX 77868-9704 tel: (409) 825-2333 fax: (409) 825-3642 e-mail: rweaver@myriad.net web: www.rweaver.com or B Weaver Apiaries, Inc Rt. 1, Box 256 Navasota, TX 77868 tel: (409) 825-7312 fax: (409) 825-7351 e-mail: mail@beeweaver.com web: www.beeweaver.com In Canada at least these: Ontario Buckfast Breeders Rick Nelson (807) 487-2387 Paul Montoux (905) 768-5530 Barry Davies (613) 387-3171 Buckfast bees are a registered hybrid. Their breeders have to be licensed by Buckfast Abbey, to whom they pay a fee. So there are fewer Buckfast breeders than breeders of naturally occuring races of bees. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From julie_wise@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:19:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Julie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping as agriculture: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:44:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7ik090$mp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.97.110.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 27 17:44:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 32.97.110.73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17788 In article , "Sue Snyder" wrote: > ...... and am being denied by the Township > Board until they are given proof that beekeeping is an > actual branch of agriculture. > Jeff in Michigan While in Indiana, beekeeping falls under the jurisdiction of the Dept. of Natural Resources, Entomology division, and is not considered an agricultural activity. Good luck with the bureaucrats. Julie --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From alquimby@ptd.net Sun May 30 07:19:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374D8C6C.CD6347C9@ptd.net> From: Al Quimby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup References: <19990526154345.20835.00000515@ng-cp1.aol.com> <19990526182851.02110.00007007@ng-ca1.aol.com> <374C9C1F.4C01C4C7@valley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 71 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:18:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.29.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 927829081 204.186.29.47 (Thu, 27 May 1999 14:18:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:18:01 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17789 Bill, Just curious, but where does one get a poplectic, and how much do they cost? ;) Al Bill Greenrose wrote: > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > I use 1 for 1 by volume. > > I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture to boiling and let boil for > > 5 minutes. > > > > This is a simple sugar, used in canning and feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT > > crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do not ferment as quickly. As > > for some evaporation......If you don't tell the bees, they won't know. > > > > Laura > > greetings, > > for some reason, my news server did not show the original post of this thread. > since the question has already been answered several times by others ["don't cook > it, just dissolve it"], i will only point out that this thread should not be > allowed to get too long or contain too many references to ratios and weight v.s. > volume calculations. otherwise, aaron will become apoplectic. ;) > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Bill Greenrose wrote: > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > I use 1 for 1 by volume. > > I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture to boiling and let boil for > > 5 minutes. > > > > This is a simple sugar, used in canning and feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT > > crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do not ferment as quickly. As > > for some evaporation......If you don't tell the bees, they won't know. > > > > Laura > > greetings, > > for some reason, my news server did not show the original post of this thread. > since the question has already been answered several times by others ["don't cook > it, just dissolve it"], i will only point out that this thread should not be > allowed to get too long or contain too many references to ratios and weight v.s. > volume calculations. otherwise, aaron will become apoplectic. ;) > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From shuston@riverace.com Sun May 30 07:19:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:21:25 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 26 Message-ID: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ICLJpTtQLzMvP4iXI5vJsB/1zwbK9y/GiqtEtUtB8oc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 18:21:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17790 Hi, I'm starting to cross wire some new crimp-wire foundation in deep and medium frames. This is my first year of beekeeping, and I originally used support pins on these frames. I'm starting to see a little rippling, though, on frames that aren't drawn out before it heated up around here. So I bought some wire, an embedding tool, and a board. Last night I gave it a whirl, and I gotta say, I can see why some people like plastic ;-) What are the tricks for getting the wire tight? I tried anchoring one end on a nail and pulling the wire back and forth across the frames - one long piece. I'm having trouble getting it tight all the way across 3 or 4 rows. Is there a trick or tool for doing it? Should I just run one row at a time and don't try to use one long piece? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From pollinator@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey flow Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1999 18:48:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374D13B3.1E72@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990527144808.02737.00000992@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17791 From: workerbee >Hk1BeeMan wrote: >> >> Flow goes well here >> But its a darker honey than the last few years, I suppose the tulip popular >are >> making a comeback since the hurricane. >> Before the come back we had a few years of almost clear, blackberry and gum >and >> clover. >> Hows everyone else ? >> >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC >Here in Rocky Mount, NC the honey is really light this year with some of >it nearly clear. > >Don (Coastal SC) We would have had a banner year without that week of cold rain in mid-tupelo flow. It's still a pretty good year. After the March freeze last year, when it got into the teens, a lot of plants had a year's rest and came back with double the number of blooms. I've never seen such a wild cherry bloom (makes nice water white honey, and we are saving that for the fancy gift sets). Huckleberries, hollies, dewberry and blackberry were all very good. A lot of gallberry is blooming late; unfortuantely our honey production is over, as bees are going on to vine crops. Just set out some yesterday in a 75 acre squash field. The owner walked the field two days ago and saw a couple carpenter bees and a couple honeybees. He was in a panic to get bees (I keep telling them to order when they plant the crop, but a lot of guys wait until bloom). There was quite a bit of deformed squash from inadequate pollination. We got a little bit of anise hyssip this year (licorice flavor - very nice). There was a tremendous bloom, and I expected more, but they use a lot in buildup, and only very strong colonies store it. Poplar is visible (reddish) and can be tasted in some of the last batches. We don't have much poplar in the area, but it had a tremendous bloom this year, due to last year's rest. I regard it as a degrader for my nice blackberry honey. Well lunch is over; gotta get back to that extractor, more bees to move to squash & cukes tomorrow. I've been extracting until after midnight each night, then moving bees at sunup in the morning. Can't keep this up much longer. Fortunately almost done.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Sun May 30 07:19:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:51:26 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7ik49o$lhn$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927831160 22071 129.173.88.206 (27 May 1999 18:52:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 18:52:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17792 Even leather will give not 100% protection, and you will lose most of the touch sense. Kitchen rubber gloves are not stinger proof but the smooth surface is a less attractive target for the bees. Very likely there is material which is thin and 100% sting proof and could be used to make gloves. Ask the NASA what they can offer ;) Even the best suit will give no 100% protection. Somehow single bees find a way under your vail and make a little eye contact ;), thats part of the business. Hits in fingers and hands are the ones which cause the least trouble compared with those at other body parts. If you mind a occasional sting if you work with bees, than look out for a new hobby or job. Cheers Ulli sylvia elliott wrote: > > I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. I've looked in vain in > catalogs/literature/web for comparisons of glove resistance to stings, but > no luck. > Can someone tell me what gloves are impervious to stings? I bought the > heavy coated canvas gauntlets but saw someone get stung through an > identical pair. And they leave yellow marks on whatever I touch. Will > kitchen rubber gloves stop stingers? Leather is expensive, but do they > stop stings. > I understand thick gloves dull the senses. Maybe two pairs of thinner > gloves are better than 1 thick leather pair? > > I just attended a day long beekeeping institute and none of the > instructors wore gloves for the hands-on sessions (installing bees, > splitting hives, general management). I was the only attendee in > head-to-toe white spacesuit with gauntlets. But I didn't get stung either > :) > > -- > Sylvia Elliott > Univ. Computing and Networking Svces > Univ of Georgia > sylviae@arches.uga.edu From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:19:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:00:36 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.63 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 927831499 20090 12.72.40.63 (27 May 1999 18:58:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 18:58:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17793 Interesting choice of hobbys. Is this the kind of fear that could be called a phobia or do bugs just give creep you out? Bees are generlly not considered to be bugs which is reserved for beetles and other crawly things. My recommendation is generally to not use gloves. They are too cumbersome and will cause clumbsy handling, bees will sting them setting off an alarm which can cause a chain reaction. Pretty soon your even tempered bees become agitated. If you need to use them to build up your confidence while you are learning and relax as you work bees, then by all means use them but with the goal of later discarding them. You need to get used to being stung. Accept it, expect it occasionally. The bees are teaching you and you will develop better skills as a result. Sorry that I don't have any specific recommendations. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail sylvia elliott wrote in message news:sylviae-2705991313420001@wallace.ucns.uga.edu... > I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. I've looked in vain in > catalogs/literature/web for comparisons of glove resistance to stings, but > no luck. > Can someone tell me what gloves are impervious to stings? I bought the > heavy coated canvas gauntlets but saw someone get stung through an > identical pair. And they leave yellow marks on whatever I touch. Will > kitchen rubber gloves stop stingers? Leather is expensive, but do they > stop stings. > I understand thick gloves dull the senses. Maybe two pairs of thinner > gloves are better than 1 thick leather pair? > > I just attended a day long beekeeping institute and none of the > instructors wore gloves for the hands-on sessions (installing bees, > splitting hives, general management). I was the only attendee in > head-to-toe white spacesuit with gauntlets. But I didn't get stung either > :) > > -- > Sylvia Elliott > Univ. Computing and Networking Svces > Univ of Georgia > sylviae@arches.uga.edu From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive- location Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1999 18:08:01 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990527140801.12490.00004396@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17794 Can beehives be located in a forested area versus a an agricultural area. In area I am thinking of there appears to be a lot of foilage but not too many flowers. There is a wetland area but it is not exactly an apple orchard. Could I easily plant anything close to top bar hive to improve location. From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Sun May 30 07:19:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy... Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:38:07 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ik3gq$ld3$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990527122913.15309.00000232@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 927830362 21923 129.173.88.206 (27 May 1999 18:39:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 18:39:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17795 BobPursley wrote: > I think it would be very comforable if you just used an ordinary widebrim hat, > with tulle (bridal veil material) attached (use BLACK material so you wont be > blinded with glare. If you cant get black, dye it.).. You can gather it at > the bottom, tucking it into your shirt, or make an elastic band for the bottom. > Beekeepers Headgear will be much to elaborate and hot for your use. And the mesh used for beekeeping stuff is maybe to wide to keep the black flies out. Outdoor-, Camping-, Army/Navy-Stores should sell bug-shirts or even only hats with black fly suitable mesh. Here in Canada you get such things even at Canadien Tire. It's usually also cheaperbecause the market is much bigger with all these campers, hunters and anglers. Cheers Ulli From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 May 1999 20:15:02 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990527161502.10855.00005071@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17796 Why is that bees naturally make a crescent shape comb. From what I read they do not attach comb to bottom of top bar hive. Is that why top bar hive is trough shaped to fool bee into thinking that side is bottom and therefore will not attach comb to side. From lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Sun May 30 07:19:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.tufts.edu!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum.solanum" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:12:10 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Message-ID: <7ik9fc$ml9$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr> <7ihdii$fdo$2@wanadoo.fr> <7ijpql$fhu$1@news.nordnet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntnts9-195.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 927836460 23209 164.138.77.195 (27 May 1999 20:21:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 20:21:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3219 alt.agriculture.beef:1675 alt.agriculture.commodities:311 alt.agriculture.fruit:9067 alt.agriculture.misc:10964 alt.agriculture.technology:323 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22525 sci.agriculture:34596 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17797 sci.agriculture.fruit:2756 Merci de ta participation Eric En effet voilà des sujets intéressants Bien que pas spécialiste en production d'Oignon (moi c'est plutôt culture sous abris type tomate, poivron...), je serais heureux d'en discuter avec toi. Si je peux t'aider pour ton site, pas de problème. J'en ai moi même créer un sur les cultures sous serres. Bon je vais d'abord aller jeter un coup d'oeil sur le tien et je te dirais ce que j'en pense dans un autre message après. -- Kenavo Lyco Les agriculteurs ont aussi des choses à dire: alors rendez vous sur les news alt.agriculture, alt.agriculture.fruit, alt.agriculture.technology, fr.soc.rural, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.fruit. eric lambert a écrit dans le message : 7ijpql$fhu$1@news.nordnet.fr... > Bonjour, > > je suis agriculteur en Picardie et j'ai lu avec interet votre discussion > concernant la possibilite de creer un news agricole pour les prof.. > OK pour moi > Je suis agriculteur sur 170 ha avec production d'oignons, et j'ai également > une usine de surgélation de légumes aussi je suis attiré par cette > possibilité de contact avec d'autres agriculteurs sur de nombreux sujet tel > que : > - comment suivre l'irrigation adapté à chaque parcelle ( Bilan, tensiomètre, > pif ....) > - Comment maitriser les parasites tel que les nématodes > - Comment optimiser les fumures ( emploie du GPS, de semoir centifuge DPA) > > Bref de nombreux sujets que certain ont expérimenté et dont l'expérience > pourrait servir à tous ( les abonnés aux news ) > > Exemple : actuellement dans ma région le meilleur prix en solution azoté 390 > est de 48.50 F pour livraison 06/07/08/09 et paiement 31/09 > > Le groupe peut également faire le lien vers des sites spécifiques, par > exemple je tente de mettre en place un site sur l'oignon > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lambert > > Bref la balle est dans le camp de tous pour démarrer des discussions > techniques > > ERIC > > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:19:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey flow Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:34:07 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7ik6j3$5j4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990527000758.15034.00000620@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.63 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 927833507 5732 12.72.40.63 (27 May 1999 19:31:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 May 1999 19:31:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17798 In central valley of California: Citrus just ended, blackberry just starting. Added 4th medium to one colony last weekend. Not bad for an urban setting. July will start yellow star thistle (see May ABJ) which is usually good for 3 or 4 mediums and will run through end of Sept. I thought last year was good due to El Nino, but 99 is looking better! -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990527000758.15034.00000620@ng-fn1.aol.com... > Flow goes well here > But its a darker honey than the last few years, I suppose the tulip popular are > making a comeback since the hurricane. > Before the come back we had a few years of almost clear, blackberry and gum and > clover. > Hows everyone else ? > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From tceisele@mtu.edu Sun May 30 07:19:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu.MISMATCH!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy... Date: 27 May 1999 19:36:03 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ik6r3$66j$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <19990527122913.15309.00000232@ngol02.aol.com> <7ik3gq$ld3$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17799 Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> wrote: : BobPursley wrote: :>I think it would be very comforable if you just used an ordinary widebrim hat, :>with tulle (bridal veil material) attached (use BLACK material so you wont be :>blinded with glare. If you cant get black, dye it.).. You can gather it at :>the bottom, tucking it into your shirt, or make an elastic band for the bottom. :>Beekeepers Headgear will be much to elaborate and hot for your use. : And the mesh used for beekeeping stuff is maybe to wide to keep the : black flies out. Outdoor-, Camping-, Army/Navy-Stores should sell Make that, "definitely too wide to keep the black flies out." At least with a wire-mesh veil, they land on the outside, stroll through the holes, then take off and come after you again (found that out the hard way a couple of weeks ago). It does slow them up a bit, but doesn't stop them. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:11:54 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7ikchj$opn$1@gxsn.com> References: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.142.159 X-Trace: 927839603 1NNUCNF1G8E9FC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17800 On a visit to Buckfast Abbey Brother Adam said not to use hot water because it encouraged bacteria He used to half fill a bath with cold water and stir in the sugar He said it took 20 mins of gentle stirring to dissolve Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>... >okay, i tried to make sugar syrup, four cups sugar, four cups water, >stirred it until it was bubblingand boiling and thick, cut it off the >fire about 10 minutes later, put it outside to cool a bit for 10 minutes >so i could place it in my feeder, (temp was 60 degrees), but when i >opened the pan again 86 percent of it hadcrystalized into a solid. what >did i do wrong? its has been cold and rainy here for four days and i am >concerned about them. i have three books, but only one gave loose >instructions, no details. > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 30 07:19:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen replacer candy ? Date: Thu, 27 May 99 20:13:23 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 73 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.71 X-Trace: 927839545 Y.AP37JYI9847CE81C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17801 Hi, Looked in on the bees, yesterday, and my not so bright idea about using an old chicken watering whatsit, to feed pollen replacer turned out to be full to the brim, with drunk, and drowned bees . One idea down the tubes . What about making candy out of sugar, and pollen replacer ? They've plenty of water(Washington State) . Would this work ? What mixtures would make good sense ? Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/26/99 6:13PM, in message <374C9C1F.4C01C4C7@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: LauraMLeek wrote: > I use 1 for 1 by volume. > I put my water and sugar together,heat the mixture to boiling and let boil for > 5 minutes. > > This is a simple sugar, used in canning and feeding hummingbirds. It does NOT > crystalize and it stabilizes the sugars so they do not ferment as quickly. As > for some evaporation......If you don't tell the bees, they won't know. > > Laura greetings, for some reason, my news server did not show the original post of this thread. since the question has already been answered several times by others ["don't cook it, just dissolve it"], i will only point out that this thread should not be allowed to get too long or contain too many references to ratios and weight v.s. volume calculations. otherwise, aaron will become apoplectic. ;) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From beeman221@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:19:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen right Queen rearing Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:10:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7ikcc3$9ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu May 27 21:10:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17802 Has anyone experience in starting cells in a Queen right hive? I am about to try Ruttners method of moving 4 combs of open brood into a brood box above the excluder and after 2-3 hours giving 15 grafts. The grafts are placed in the middle of the frames of open brood. Any comments are welcome however I am located in north east Scotland and our weather is justly famous... Thanks Peter Watt. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun May 30 07:19:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Calculator Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:38:15 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7ike30$png$1@gxsn.com> References: <7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.142.159 X-Trace: 927841184 1NNUCNF1G8E9FC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17803 Matthew Back of my calculator reads May to Aug :Daily mite fall x 30= Estimated number of mites in colony So you have 300 mites in the colony CD bowyerpounds wrote in message <7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net>... >In June 1998 Beecraft (England) published a varroa calculator which I >understand was being given to members of the BBKA. I remember that by >counting the number of mites falling through a varroa screen it is possible >to determine whether or not it is necessary to introduce some Bayvarol >strips into the hive. > >I am aware that Beecraft are publishing pictures of the front of the >calculator each month but it seems never the flip side. Unfortunately I >have put my copy of June 1998 Beecraft somewhere safe and now cannot find >it! > >Does anyone out there have a varroa calculator - if so can you confirm the >estimated number of mites in my colony. Over a period of seven days ending >26/5/99 I had a drop through a screen covering the whole if the base of my >hive of approx 75-80 mites. > >Many thanks >Matthew Pounds > > From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun May 30 07:19:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, and ANTS ? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:53:10 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <374DF705.8F03DBDB@ozemail.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 927852764 8863 203.63.79.234 (28 May 1999 00:52:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 00:52:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17804 Real Name: wrote: > but I've read, that bees, and ants GET ALONG . That depends on the kind of ant. I often see small black ants establish colonies in my hives (in the small gap between the lid & the inner cover). They have access to the bees' main nest but do not appear to greatly interested in it. The bees don't appear to be bothered either. I think the ants are simply make best use of a comfortable cavity (just like bees). On the other hand, in this country we have a group of ants generally described as "meat ants". I don't see them where I live ( they prefer a drier climate). They happily raid hives and can destroy the colony in the process. This also happens in other parts of the world. Advice on how to protect hives from this kind of attention crops up occasionally in this news group. The main approach is 1) put the hives on a sand with only 4 legs touching the ground (for the ants to use as a bridge to the hive). 2) coat the legs with some form of grease which the ants cannot cross. > Has anyone ever looked into a > possible relationship between bees > having their hives cleaned out by > ant colonies foraging for insect > food, and taking mites, and such ? > I don't know. Given that science has studied bees very closely (& continues to do so) I suspect some has done this and found nothing. From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun May 30 07:19:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:18:07 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <374DFCDF.3BE1EED5@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 927854267 12505 203.63.79.234 (28 May 1999 01:17:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 01:17:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17805 Jajwuth wrote: > Its too bad that bureaucrats have outlawed them in > some areas of the country in favour of the langstroth type hive. Are you sure the regulations specifically say "langstroth"? There are several designs for removable frames that do not comply with the Langstroth standard e.g. the WBC and the British National. These other standards are just as valid as the Langstroth standard & I doubt if the regulations would prohibit them. In my state the regulations state the the comb must be removable. This a does not prohibit the TBH. From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sun May 30 07:19:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:29:37 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-61.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 27 8:22:00 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17806 Steve Huston wrote: >I'm starting to cross wire some new crimp-wire foundation in deep and >medium frames. >What are the tricks for getting the wire tight? I tried anchoring one >end on a nail and pulling the wire back and forth across the frames - >one long piece. I'm having trouble getting it tight all the way across 3 >or 4 rows. Did you insert metal eyelets in the endbar holes? If not, you'll find the wire cuts into the wood, which makes it difficult to get a tight draw (or one that stays tight if you do). If you didn't use them, order them. They are cheap (about $2.00 per 1000). While you're at it, don't forget the little punch used to drive them into the endbar holes (.85 cents). Together, they'll help you get strong cross-wires in the frame. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:19:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 01:54:36 GMT References: <374DFCDF.3BE1EED5@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990527215436.25969.00000650@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17807 >From reading this newsgroup top bar hive represents a problem to some inspectors. Also city ordinances in some parts of country allow only langstoth type hives also from reading this newsgroup. Myself I'm a big fan of Top Bar Hive From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:19:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:58:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7ikt7h$ls1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990527161502.10855.00005071@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 01:58:10 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.18, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17808 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Why is that bees naturally make a crescent shape comb. Instinct. Though if you want an engineering answer, it allows for a greater ratio of the area of attachment to the comb and honey mass than if the natural comb were a rectangle. And since natural comb is not reinforced, such a ratio makes for less risk of the comb coming unattached. If you want an evolution-based answer, you can look to the less developed Apis species dorsata and florea, which build single combs in the open. Attaching, e.g., to the underside of a branch of a tree, they had no sides to attach to. And in circumstances where our EHB builds comb in the open rather than in a cavity, they will build on a similar principle. The engineering reason above would be particularly important to such an open-to-the-air hive. > From what I read they > do not attach comb to bottom of top bar hive. Is that why top bar hive is > trough shaped to fool bee into thinking that side is bottom and therefore > will not attach comb to side. The slanted sides of the KTBH are that way because the experience of some people suggested that that discouraged the bees from attaching comb to it. However, the information on James D. Satterfield's TBH web pages suggests that slanting sides are not a factor in the bees' behavior. Rather, honey bees attach to vertical sides little if any more than they do to slanted sides. If there is an advantage to the slanting sides (advantage for the bees, that is), it might, then, be on the order of making for less unused space within the hive, less winter cold air area. Or, as this is a design promulgated for use in less developed nations, and warmer ones at that, perhaps the design issue was that there is some savings in materials, since the bottom board can be something like half the width it would have to be in a vertical-sided TBH. Or perhaps it's aesthetic: the KTBH reflects somewhat the half- to three-quarters-round shape of TBH beekeeping in logs hollowed out on the horizontal. But perhaps someone who uses vertical-sided TBH might report their experience with attachment to the sides. And someone who uses or has used both basic styles of TBH might shed even more light on this one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From no.email.address.entered@none444.yet Sun May 30 07:19:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!acopan.reacciun.ve!none444.yet From: no.email.address.entered@none444.yet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: XXX PAMELA ANDERSON VIDEO (FREE) - xxx.htm 602 bytes (1/1) 94403 Date: 26 May 1999 00:14:14 -0600 Organization: Lines: 17 Message-ID: <05269900.1414@none444.yet> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs-shiva32.reacciun.net.ve X-Trace: acopan.reacciun.ve 927691995 19167 150.188.1.92 (26 May 1999 04:13:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: "postmaster@reacciun.ve" NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 May 1999 04:13:15 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17809 begin 644 xxx.htm M/&AT;6P^#0H-"CQH96%D/@T*/'1I=&QE/GAX>"!6:61E;SPO=&ET;&4^#0H\ M8F%S92!H2!B9V-O;&]R/2(C,# P M,# P(B!T97AT/2(C1D8P,$9&(CX-"@T*/' @86QI9VX](F-E;G1E References: <7ico1q$29sq$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990524203950.19938.00004405@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.93 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:36:32 GMT X-Trace: 927704192.791.15 KRFRRPH9I1C5DCF95C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17810 Hi, I'm a BIG fan of western red cedar, but my cedar bottom board warped under the very minimal load of a well filled brood box, and two foundation-only supers . Using an old milk bottle(wire) carrier to support the hive, the gap at the front, for the bees was seriously, though perhaps not fatally, narrowed . I posted about it . Put a stick in the center of your bee entry slot, to be sure that it remains fully open . I FEAR PLASTIC "SMELLS". Plastic retains it's flexibility, with volatile chemicals . If/when it loses those volatiles, it becomes brittle, and eventually breaks down . Those volatiles are damned unhealthy for people . What about our bees, whose ENTIRE HOME, twenty four hours a day, if it's plastic, has to leech volatiles ? I think plastic is great stuff . But, I have concerns ! I like the smell of a new car, but I wouldn't want to live 24hours a day, seven days a week, 365days a year, in that chemical pollution . It MIGHT be healthier than cedar . But, I'm not careless about my charges . (Not that the rest of the people in this newsgroup might be less-so, but I take it personally when my animals do poorly.) As best I may . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/24/99 5:39PM, in message <19990524203950.19938.00004405@ng-ft1.aol.com>, Beetools wrote: If you never plan to move your hive, the plastic bottom boards are OK, but they do tend to warp under a heavy hive. If you move hives, forget them. Can't staple them - propolis breaks away too easily, and straps slip. Nothing like a leaky bottom board when you are moving a hive to add the thrill of adventure to the move. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 30 07:19:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees, and ANTS ? Date: Wed, 26 May 99 06:53:27 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.93 X-Trace: 927705154 Y.AP37JYI1C5DCF95C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17811 Hi, I don't recall if I read it, in a book, or read it in this newsgroup, but I've read, that bees, and ants GET ALONG . I've chewed on this awhile, and I : 1. Wonder if it's true ? 2. Wonder if ants might be an answer to the problem to parasites ? Harvester ants(as opposed to carpenter ants. ) are pretty-much an unalloyed benefit . They eat infinitely more insects harmful to our food, homes, and persons, than they ever do any harm getting into the sugar bowl . (A sufficiently strong harvester ant population, will starve out carpenter ant colonies ! ) KEN'S QUESTION : Has anyone ever looked into a possible relationship between bees having their hives cleaned out by ant colonies foraging for insect food, and taking mites, and such ? Thanks, Ken . From adamf@vt.edu Sun May 30 07:19:57 EDT 1999 Article: 17812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin queens Date: 26 May 1999 06:40:14 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ig50e$d5j$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990524233712.02277.00001981@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7idel8$1lm$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17812 In article <7idel8$1lm$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards wrote: >She will possibly mate whilst swarming (there are mating swarms where the >bees fly out with the queen on her mating flight - usually if there is no >brood left in a mating nuc). Really? I'd like a citation on this ascpect of virgin queen mating behavior if you've got one. thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun May 30 07:19:58 EDT 1999 Article: 17813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:39:24 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <374E0FEB.D07874BE@ozemail.com.au> References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 927859137 23663 203.63.79.234 (28 May 1999 02:38:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 02:38:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17813 Steve Huston wrote: > > What are the tricks for getting the wire tight? I tried anchoring one > end on a nail and pulling the wire back and forth across the frames - > one long piece. I'm having trouble getting it tight all the way across 3 > or 4 rows. Is there a trick or tool for doing it? Should I just run one > row at a time and don't try to use one long piece? > This topic is EXTREMELY difficult to discuss in text only. The best answer is to watch several other people doing their frames an then try the method you prefer. A lot depends on the kind of wire you have. Some wire is soft and bends easily. It is easy to work with when you thread it through holes and wind it around nails etc. However it stretches a lot which makes it hard to get the right tension. Another wire I have used is the opposite in every respect. A special wiring jig is very helpful. You could use the same jig for both types of wire but the technique will be different. Again, watch someone else. What ever method you use, a wire crimper can be very handy. This is essentially a pair of meshing gear wheels that you run along the wire (after the frame is wired). It crimps the wire which takes up the slack. Don't over do it, or you'll snap the wire. This tool is the best way to tighten the wire in old frames From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:19:59 EDT 1999 Article: 17814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:31:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990526170143.26168.00005334@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 02:31:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.18, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17814 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Is it true that a top bar hive will produce purest most natural product since > no foundation is required. Depends on the meaning of the words pure and natural. The honey is no different whether placed by bees in "naturally drawn" comb or comb drawn on foundation (also naturally drawn). And the foundation for comb honey out of a Langstroth hive, has no chemical modification. It is pure beeswax. It is an illusion that a TBH makes a purer product. Which is not to say that it has no merits worth pursuing. On the contrary. TBH's make perfect sense if one is looking for a mid-tech approach to beekeeping on a less intensive scale than commercial beekeepers must use in the contemporary developed world. Or if one is more interested in harvesting wax than in harvesting honey. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 02:43:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990527224312.28134.00005514@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17815 >What is interesting is that the last sting made my arm swell much more >than the other stings. Is there some correlation to time to remover the >sting and/or the anger of the bees? As the venom sac is connected to the stinger and keeps pumping until removed,, the longer it is attached to your skin the more venoom is injected. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Amschelp@pe.net Sun May 30 07:20:00 EDT 1999 Article: 17816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Message-ID: References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 70 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.18 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 927862990 216.100.28.18 (Thu, 27 May 1999 23:43:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:43:10 EDT Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:47:25 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17816 After keeping bees for several years, I find I remain squeamish about going barehanded. My friend Mike does it all the time, though. He rolls his longsleeved shirt up and tucks the sleeves tight to keep the hymenoptera from going up his sleeve. Bee Bob is not afraid to go barehanded. When he does use gloves he uses those rubber dishwashing gloves. Your message is encouraging. Maybe I will go barehanded soon on my topbar hive with the langstroth honey super on top. That one guy's message today where bees got into his veil and sleeve reminded me of the time when I had forgotten to "blouse my boots" and the colony discovered that my ankles were exposed. This was when I had full sized Langstroth's stacked 4 hive bodies high and at the time I had the whole thing opened up with frames leaning everywhere and with bees all over the place when they discovered my vulnerable ankles. I controlled the urge to flee as they started stinging my ankles. There were about 5 stings on each ankle by the time I got the hive bodies put back together and re-stacked. In article <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > Interesting choice of hobbys. Is this the kind of fear that could be called > a phobia or do bugs just give creep you out? Bees are generlly not > considered to be bugs which is reserved for beetles and other crawly things. > > My recommendation is generally to not use gloves. They are too cumbersome > and will cause clumbsy handling, bees will sting them setting off an alarm > which can cause a chain reaction. Pretty soon your even tempered bees become > agitated. > > If you need to use them to build up your confidence while you are learning > and relax as you work bees, then by all means use them but with the goal of > later discarding them. You need to get used to being stung. Accept it, > expect it occasionally. The bees are teaching you and you will develop > better skills as a result. > > Sorry that I don't have any specific recommendations. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > sylvia elliott wrote in message > news:sylviae-2705991313420001@wallace.ucns.uga.edu... > > I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. I've looked in vain in > > catalogs/literature/web for comparisons of glove resistance to stings, but > > no luck. > > Can someone tell me what gloves are impervious to stings? I bought the > > heavy coated canvas gauntlets but saw someone get stung through an > > identical pair. And they leave yellow marks on whatever I touch. Will > > kitchen rubber gloves stop stingers? Leather is expensive, but do they > > stop stings. > > I understand thick gloves dull the senses. Maybe two pairs of thinner > > gloves are better than 1 thick leather pair? > > > > I just attended a day long beekeeping institute and none of the > > instructors wore gloves for the hands-on sessions (installing bees, > > splitting hives, general management). I was the only attendee in > > head-to-toe white spacesuit with gauntlets. But I didn't get stung either > > :) > > > > -- > > Sylvia Elliott > > Univ. Computing and Networking Svces > > Univ of Georgia > > sylviae@arches.uga.edu > > > From jkimbro@midtown.net Sun May 30 07:20:01 EDT 1999 Article: 17817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:42:04 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 37 Message-ID: <374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927863299 38BMS018M6557CDA2C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17817 I've had a similar reaction. In fact it's on the verge of worrying me. I picked up an Epipen just to be safe. I got zapped in the thigh with just the normal, 'oh damn,,,I just got stung',,, but then I got stung in the ankle and it swelled up for four days! I've been keeping bees for about four years now with no other serious reactions,,,I just can't help but to think it would be just MY luck that now I'm allergic! Mike Reddy wrote: > Changing the base board on my Langstroth hive - adding a varroa floor > (sigh) - I got two bees in my hood, which stung me on neck and back of > head, and I was stung once on each arm. The head and left arm stings were > a minor irritation, but the stingers were removed fairly quickly; hard to > do when you have to keep the hood and gloves on! However, the right arm > sting was down my glove, and I had to reassemble the hive, doing quite a > bit of hefting, before I could attend to it. I also had quite a few > followers, hence the delay. This sting was from an angrier bee > > What is interesting is that the last sting made my arm swell much more > than the other stings. Is there some correlation to time to remover the > sting and/or the anger of the bees? I am fairly sure it's not allergic > response as the other stings I hardly noticed. > > Mike > P.S. Piriton syrup is a good bet as an antihistamine as it does not > contain lactose (too which I am allergic) and is fairly vvegetarian! > > -- > The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! > -- > Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) > Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ > Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, > Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. > TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 > HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From lauramleek@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 May 1999 05:58:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990518132617.24410.00002034@ng-fw1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990519015812.28133.00002204@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17818 I think the ratios are actually by VOLUME and or weight. Page 56 of "The Beekeepers Handbook" suggests the following proportions by VOLUME 1:1 sugar to water for Spring ie: 1c water to 1c sugar 2:1 sugar to water for fall and 1:2 sugar to water for brood rearing Page 59 of "Complete guide to beekeeping" says the syrup mixture is by weight OR measure. Laura From tpl@wave.co.nz Sun May 30 07:20:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Date: 28 May 1999 04:52:26 GMT Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 91 Message-ID: <01bea8c4$9454e2c0$4ec060cb@leo> References: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> <7ifuk0$ie9$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p78.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 927867146 25222 203.96.192.78 (28 May 1999 04:52:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 04:52:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17819 Greetings Paula oh how refreshing to get a balanced viewpoint and thanks for taking the time to respond. as reported in in our local daily newspaper and reuters today The Austrain Government has banned cultivation of Bt maize MON-810 - produced by Monsanto Co..... "because the pollen from the Bt maize was damaging useful insects such as Butterflies" Consumer Protection minister and thank you very sincerely for your reference ... it is a wonderful reference ... a very good site ... lots of information about all aspects of agriculture yes an application has been made to plant a rape crop here and as with your concerns I have by doubts about the long term implications for larvae There are many issues and Beekeepers work hard to provide a good environment fo their bees .. well i do anyway... so I tend to look closely at any new potential risks for the health of my hives there are public meetings being held here and there is a great deal of information sharing. Very pleased to hear of the public forum on pest resistance > In any event, I suggest you become quite active and vocal. If you need > appropriate links on the topic, I'd be glad to provide them. yes I am .. I grow most of our food so am concerned by all things that influence our immediate growing environment... thank you for your welcome offer.. please feel free to email any links or post here .. whatever is convenient well once again very many thanks Blessings Carman Paula Franke wrote in article <7ifuk0$ie9$1@dtbsx.databasix.com>... > > Carman wrote in message <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo>... > >Greetings > > > >I found the following in in the NZ news file at > >http://www.7am.com > > > > it really concerns me the risks involved for our bees.. > >Monsanto are negotiating to plant GM rape seed in NZ.. this crosses very > >readily with other brassicas... cabbage etc .. I noticed this season that > >our bees were particularly attracted to my broccoli flower seed > >what will be the impact? > > > Because Bt is a naturally occurring bacteria that affects caterpillars only, > it shouldn't affect the foraging honeybees per se. > > One of my concerns, however, is what long-term impact bringing the pollen > back to the hive would have on the larvae. > > I'm a weekly agricultural columnist for AgDomain ( http://www.v.com ) > and I've commented on the GM issue a couple of times, expressing my > reservations on the lack of adequate study before putting these crops out in > the general community. The Monarch study done at Cornell I believe is > seriously flawed (which I've written about this week) but doesn't mean my > reservations have been lessened. > > I hadn't realized that rape readily crosses with other brassicas. Are GM > crops being raised in New Zealand now? Or is Pioneer's application the first > salvo? > > In any event, I suggest you become quite active and vocal. If you need > appropriate links on the topic, I'd be glad to provide them. > > As an aside, the US EPA apparently has enough concerns about the possibility > of pests building a resistance to Bt that they have scheduled a public > workshop on the subject on June 18 in Chicago. > > Paula > pfranke@agdomain.com > > > > From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 30 07:20:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-37kacsa.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: KWing Question, Again Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:57:41 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.33.8a X-Server-Date: 28 May 1999 12:46:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17820 Hey, y'all... I'm stll out on the road for several more days, with my wifey graciously keeping the bees supplied with sugar water. As of leaving 5/27, the girls still seemed to have K Wing, symptomatic of I dunno what, except that it's NOT trachael mites. What I'm wondering is this... I also observed several workers with beat up, frayed wings, and I've read that this is a sign that they're just about worked to death, and are near the end of their natural lifespan. Is it possible that the K Wing I'm seeing is simply a symptom of that these package bees, which have been in the hive for about a month, are simply getting old? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From shuston@riverace.com Sun May 30 07:20:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:02:51 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 28 Message-ID: <374EB01B.43B6A542@riverace.com> References: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 5jmtBVSJPlXKS70wFz5VIHdAmhtZGi6fQXf4ihltwbs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 15:02:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17821 > > I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. > > An oxymoron... Maybe so, but there's a beekeeper in western Massachusetts who has quite a good business going in bees and equipment. He spoke at our beekeeping class this spring. He got into beekeeping because he had an intense fear of bees, and wanted to get over it. He sure did... he's now a big apitherapy proponent as well. So, as another poster said, cover up as much as you need to in order to feel comfortable with the bees. Accept that you're going to get stung a few times (and as the gentleman referred to above would say, "It's better for you anyway.") My gloves have leather hands and ventilated canvas arms. So far I've not been stung through them, and I've seen bees trying. They do make it harder to work nimbly. When I've gotten good enough at handling the bees so I don't drop and bang so many frames ;-) I'll probably try working without them. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From beetools@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen replacer candy ? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 16:48:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990528124844.05573.00002217@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17822 Why are you feeding pollen replacement? I'm assuming that you are the "Ken" in Washington. Washington (East and West) has excellent high-protein pollen sources year round. The only time I could see any reason to feed pollen in Washington is in late Fall to fatten up your bees for Winter, or in early Winter IF you are planning to split in California in the almonds. And at those times, only if weather is poor (I mean REALLY porr, not just our normal "high humidity" conditons). Your bees will ignore pollen patties if they have a good source anyway, so save your time and money. Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee, Monmouth OR http://members.aol.com/beetools From Troyerr@DOR.State.SC.US Sun May 30 07:20:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: RICHARD TROYER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor wanted Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:34:28 -0400 Organization: SC Department of Revenue Lines: 27 Message-ID: <374ED3A4.F982CDDF@DOR.State.SC.US> References: <7ihcah$563$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <19990526140503.01107.00000527@ng-cq1.aol.com> <374D5950.6666@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.116.226.178 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 927912843 11623 204.116.226.178 (28 May 1999 17:34:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 17:34:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17823 I just purchased the 9-frame. Unfortunately, the slots will not hold my plastic pierco frames...and I have ten supers of plastic frames. I have rigged a makeshift fix, but I'm not totally happy with the situation. Rich Columbia, SC AL wrote: > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > > Pretty hard to beat the Italian "compact deluxe" that Brushy mtn sells IMO. > > The plastic one from Dadant might be ok but the few people I know that have one > > hate it. > > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > > The 9-frame radial for just a few more bucks is a nice machine - the > gearing is very smooth and the basket assembly is well balanced. All > materials appear to be top quality. I bought one last fall, but didn't > get a chance to use it - and no, Skip, I'm not going to elaborate. > > AL From lambert@nordnet.fr Sun May 30 07:20:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!nordnet.fr!not-for-mail From: "eric lambert" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: news pour les professionnels agriculteurs. Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:57:04 +0200 Organization: NordNet, l'Internet des gens du Nord Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7ijpql$fhu$1@news.nordnet.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr> <7ihdii$fdo$2@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "eric lambert" NNTP-Posting-Host: port2-37.nordnet.fr X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3222 alt.agriculture.beef:1676 alt.agriculture.commodities:313 alt.agriculture.fruit:9072 alt.agriculture.misc:10966 alt.agriculture.technology:325 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22529 sci.agriculture:34623 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17824 sci.agriculture.fruit:2762 Bonjour, je suis agriculteur en Picardie et j'ai lu avec interet votre discussion concernant la possibilite de creer un news agricole pour les prof.. OK pour moi Je suis agriculteur sur 170 ha avec production d'oignons, et j'ai également une usine de surgélation de légumes aussi je suis attiré par cette possibilité de contact avec d'autres agriculteurs sur de nombreux sujet tel que : - comment suivre l'irrigation adapté à chaque parcelle ( Bilan, tensiomètre, pif ....) - Comment maitriser les parasites tel que les nématodes - Comment optimiser les fumures ( emploie du GPS, de semoir centifuge DPA) Bref de nombreux sujets que certain ont expérimenté et dont l'expérience pourrait servir à tous ( les abonnés aux news ) Exemple : actuellement dans ma région le meilleur prix en solution azoté 390 est de 48.50 F pour livraison 06/07/08/09 et paiement 31/09 Le groupe peut également faire le lien vers des sites spécifiques, par exemple je tente de mettre en place un site sur l'oignon http://home.nordnet.fr/~lambert Bref la balle est dans le camp de tous pour démarrer des discussions techniques ERIC From cross@pcpostal.com Sun May 30 07:20:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374EDB40.50C7F774@pcpostal.com> From: Bee Wrangler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 X-Trace: 9ngRkmKfktMCkYCEtq8cbD9M5dWrOs5uF3NvryEZ1yPhnoxYJuKSJ8xh8kmoaNFKrtxmB2Lhus29!kg9REb4t3MCw/CBaNpSVc4OQRvjD6Q2uS88yx5+TiSfnWeWEWO00SpVcTg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:13:21 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:13:21 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17825 Sorry. After getting a better look at this swarm it is huge, I'm really not sure that this could be from one of my colonies as I don't think either of my hives had this many bees. Maybe they are wild? Any help would be greatly apreicated. From beetools@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 16:37:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374E8A3C.DE2467C3@riverace.com> Message-ID: <19990528123745.05573.00002215@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17826 The right way to tension wire is to compress the end bars slightly (most wiring fixtures have some provision to do this - but a woodworking clamp can be used as well). After you secure the wire, release the tension on the end bars and the wire will tighten. Proper tension will come from trial-and-error, but the wire should be tight to about a middle "C" note when plucked. Eyelets will make stringing and tesnioning much easier and will hold tension (otherwise the wire will cut into the wood and reduce the tension). Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From beetools@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KWing Question, Again Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 16:56:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990528125624.05573.00002221@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17827 Dear Charles: Why are you so certian that the K-wing is not tracheal mites? Have you had your bees sampled and tested? Just because you have treated fot trachela mites does not necessarily meen that the treatment worked. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From jimowen@swbell.net Sun May 30 07:20:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374EE3FA.51DB6774@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Organization: OWEN Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> <374EDB40.50C7F774@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:44:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.57.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 927916724 151.164.57.126 (Fri, 28 May 1999 11:38:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:38:44 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17828 Get off your computer and go "Box 'em up!" Jim Bee Wrangler wrote: > > Sorry. After getting a better look at this swarm it is huge, I'm really not > sure that this could be from one of my colonies as I don't think either of > my hives had this many bees. Maybe they are wild? > Any help would be greatly apreicated. From lithar@midwest.net Sun May 30 07:20:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:41:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 25 Message-ID: <374EE352.66D3@midwest.net> References: <374DFCDF.3BE1EED5@ozemail.com.au> <19990527215436.25969.00000650@ngol02.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.152 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927916894 .ZFUVYH4M0498D1F8C usenet55.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17829 Jajwuth wrote: > > From reading this newsgroup top bar hive represents a problem to some > inspectors. Also city ordinances in some parts of country allow only langstoth > type hives also from reading this newsgroup. > > Myself I'm a big fan of Top Bar Hive You might want to go back and reread the thread. The only requirement is that the frames/comb be moveable to allow inspection for parasites & disease. There is no requirement that the hive be a Langstroth design, or that the frames(if there are any) be of a particular design, or that the foundation (if there is any) be of any particular type. As has been mentioned in a previous post, the Langstroth is one of *many* hive designs - just pick up a Thorne catalog to see a sampling of the many styles there are. AL From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 14:54:37 GMT References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17830 I think it is an illusion that products of top bar hive are not more pure and natural. I believe with langstroth hive honey comb is reused. Top bar hive has new comb (no foundation) with each harvest. The bees are under less stress, also. With minimal investment of hive, disease control does not have to take on chemical route. My impression is that it is like organic beekeeping versus regular beekeeping. From pencaemawr@bigfoot.com Sun May 30 07:20:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Calculator Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:44:52 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7imkhq$d2q$1@epos.tesco.net> References: <7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.75.150 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17831 To estimate the number of mites in a colony from the average DAILY mite fall, you need to multiply by a factor which depends on the time of year Nov to Feb, multiply by 400 May to Aug, multiply by 30 Mar, April, Sept, Oct, multiply by 100 (rough approximation) You then use the front of the calculator to determine if immediate treatment is required, or if you can wait. The mite drop you quoted equals 10 per day times 30 = estimated mite population of 300. Time before treatment up to 3 months. However, if your colony collects bees from a collapsing colony, the situation can alter radically. Keep checking at regular intervals. The calculator was actually produced by the Min. of Ag., and distributed to all members of beekeeping associations in the UK. Happy beekeeping John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com bowyerpounds wrote in message news:7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net... > In June 1998 Beecraft (England) published a varroa calculator which I > understand was being given to members of the BBKA. I remember that by > counting the number of mites falling through a varroa screen it is possible > to determine whether or not it is necessary to introduce some Bayvarol > strips into the hive. > > I am aware that Beecraft are publishing pictures of the front of the > calculator each month but it seems never the flip side. Unfortunately I > have put my copy of June 1998 Beecraft somewhere safe and now cannot find > it! > > Does anyone out there have a varroa calculator - if so can you confirm the > estimated number of mites in my colony. Over a period of seven days ending > 26/5/99 I had a drop through a screen covering the whole if the base of my > hive of approx 75-80 mites. > > Many thanks > Matthew Pounds > > From cross@pcpostal.com Sun May 30 07:20:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> From: Bee Wrangler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Urgent! Bee Stampede! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 X-Trace: /wzbxY5NnpUUeJESEBQnJQ8cLXMriv/qpmocT7I1BkWwY+2Ig2xYjj94nTdVyeCSxA/fu/hSLiwu!tLpM/7B21C7qSgBA/7eVAfabqWBjwsLaR7Xttb7ogowSq2K8aHs5BW6kPlk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:45:59 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:45:59 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17832 I started two hives from packaged bees in late march, everything seemed to be going okay. Both hives producing brood ect. This morning I went to check on them and was watching bees come and go from both hives, everything seemed fine. After walking a little closer to the hives low and behold above my head in a tree was a swarm. Could this be a swarm >from somewhere else? Wishful thinking I guess. What should I do? What might I have done wrong? They have plenty of room in the hives, I just added a second hive to each colony. Should I try to get this swarm in a new hive? If they have swarmed from one of my colonies what will happen to the hive they swarmed from? What will happen if I just leave the swarm alone? I live in Texas. Plenty of flowers at present. Thank for any help you can give. I have seen other posts about swarms on here but not one quite like my problem. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:20:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:07:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7imphe$pl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 19:07:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17833 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I think it is an illusion that products of top bar hive are not more pure and > natural. > I believe with langstroth hive honey comb is reused. Top bar hive has new comb > (no foundation) with each harvest. The bees are under less stress, also. With > minimal investment of hive, disease control does not have to take on chemical > route. My impression is that it is like organic beekeeping versus regular > beekeeping. Again, depends on how you define terms, doesn't it? When a colony of bees lives beyond the reach of human interference (from their perspective, I guess), they reuse comb, now don't they? Does that mean that the honey wild bees consume or the honey and comb robbed from them by bears and humans and such is, by definition, less pure or natural than the honey produced in managed apiaries? Interesting implication for the person concerned about a "natural" product: the only way to get a pure and natural product is to remove it completely from the norms of nature. (?!) Besides, comb honey from a Langstroth is in comb drawn fresh that season on the thinnest possible layer of (reused/ recycled beeswax) foundation. As for TBH colonies being less susceptible to disease, please produce comparative research figures to back the claim. If it is a claim supported by legitimate research, I'll more than gladly accept it. If is is merely the impression of someone who keeps his/her bees in TBH, then it is just anecdote. Not worthless, but not applicable to the entire world, as many undefined factor besides the TBH are at work. Your analogy to organic gardening is fallacious. A better analogy would be to types of machinery a farmer (or gardener) chooses. The Langstroth hive might be compared to the tractor while the TBH compares to the horsedrawn equipment immediately prededing the advent of the tractor -- more technically advanced than equipment used through the ages but less technically advanced than the tractor. Either one is or can be a legitimate choice, depending on circumstances and the needs of the farmer and his society. The Amish in some areas still use the less technically advanced machines because it is ideologically right for them. But neither one is more organic than the other. Being an organic farmer or gardener is a matter of method that is completely separate than the choice of machinery. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cross@pcpostal.com Sun May 30 07:20:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!gulfsouth.verio.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <374ED849.39C82D1D@pcpostal.com> From: Bee Wrangler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 X-Trace: 9+o0NKsKzja7EnPpzOS/Bwz0bkLXeMwXaVdeVy2KJtUjMG6KVNGWtaa2Xike73KBHpZzg8Sxd6sY!GHDbJoOlKT/wOeO4OvDf4Q1EVd3pV1Zsn/oTOS0qj8aaxA4YZ6uGi5Va X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:00:42 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:00:42 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17834 One other quick note, one of my hives has just exploded with new bees and the second one, while producing brood, is well behind the first. This is why I added the second hive to the colony that is really expanding, I also added another hive to the one that was not doing as good. Maybe this was a mistake. From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 May 1999 20:11:07 GMT References: <7imphe$pl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990528161107.25969.00000799@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17835 Top bar hive is less labour intensive than Langstroth therefore analogy to horse and tractor should be reversed. Yields are less but of higher quality and requiring less effort to produce. Most natural way to harvest honey is to remove comb as correctly described by bear intrusion story. Top bar Hive is an excellant choice in bear country. Using langstroth hives is like refilling empty wax pop bottles with pop. Disease control can be eradicted by destroying top bar hive or lessened by characteristic non swaping of brood frames. Using top bar hives is more ecologically sound practise also construction by scrap material is worth mentioning . From lithar@midwest.net Sun May 30 07:20:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:00:52 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Message-ID: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.88 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927900064 .ZFUVYH4MC 58D0EBC usenet55.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17836 sylvia elliott wrote: > > I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. An oxymoron... AL From millerb@acm.org Sun May 30 07:20:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Bryan Miller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple Postings Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:07:00 -0700 Organization: Manky Pro Inc Lines: 29 Message-ID: <374EBF24.ED3C024F@acm.org> References: <3746FE31.32383860@onramp.net> Reply-To: millerb@acm.org NNTP-Posting-Host: scr-ca4-06.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 28 9:06:26 AM PDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17837 Don't fret too much if something was learned :-) There is no manager now as there was in the 'old days' when this was just a mailing list. Some newsgroups are moderated but unless there is an immature audience or a very high signal to noise ratio it is a good deal of work that is probably not needed. cheers, Bryan Veronique Wade wrote: > > Howdy, > > Who manages the BeeKeeping Discussion Group? > My email submitter to the newsgroup was > not working properly and kept timing out > so I submitted the entry again. Seems like > it's now listed 4 or 5 times: > > See: Africanized Colonies > > I can't seem to remove the multiple copies. > Can the new group administrator please > remove this messages along with the other > entries so that only 1 shows up. > > Thanks......James From pakdad@mindspring.com Sun May 30 07:20:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Phillip Knowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sterile Queen-Help!!! Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:18:28 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <374F1633.BC268C9C@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.7d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 May 1999 22:01:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17838 I went into one of my two hives yesterday, and notice that most of the capped brood was bullet shaped on top. Bummer. Then I watched the front for a while and 80% of all passing traffic was loud buzzy drones. Bummer again. Should I order a replacement queen ASAP and kill the old queen once the new queen arrives, or let the bees realize there problem and raise a queen? Can they raise a queen from sterile brood? Once that issue is solved, most of the cells in the frames have been stretched by the drones that were raised in them. Is this OK, or should these frames be replaced? Will this cause further bees raised in the cell to be drones? Foot note: These bees are pissed. I have been stung one time since April when I put out the hives out, and they have stung me six times this week!!! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:15:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7in6rp$p5h$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932089 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17839 Why the: 1. 2. ? The subject is a little more complex! The composition of nectar varies greatly, although Maurizio divides nectars into three main groups: 1 Predominantly sucrose (in rare cases exclusively sucrose) 2 Roughly equal sucrose,fructose and glucose 3 Predominantly fructose and glucose with sucrose present in only small quantities or completely absent. However we should remember that there are also higher sugars; these occur to a greater extent in honeydew and include maltose, melezitose, trehalose, galactose, raffinose, melibiose and so on. The simple answer to part 2 is that bees, by adding invertase to the nectar, convert the sucrose content (where present) into glucose and fructose, although some of the glucose is the converted to gluconic acid and hydrogen peroxide by the addition of glucose oxidase. "Honey - a comprehensive survey" by Eva Crane provides more than enough detail for most beekeepers! Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com>... >Concerning Nectar... and Honey > >What types of sugar compounds Exist in Nectar >1. >2. > >What Types of sugar compounds do the bees convert this into for storage as >Honey ( or for their use in general ) > >1. >2. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen right Queen rearing Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:36:41 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7in6rs$p5h$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ikcc3$9ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932092 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17840 There is a good method in the book 'Queen Rearing Simplified' (published by British Bee Publications) by the late Vince Cook who was Head of the Bee Unit at Luddington a few years ago which you may find useful. beeman221@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ikcc3$9ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Has anyone experience in starting cells in a Queen right hive? I am >about to try Ruttners method of moving 4 combs of open brood into a >brood box above the excluder and after 2-3 hours giving 15 grafts. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:41:19 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7in6rt$p5h$6@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990527161502.10855.00005071@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932093 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17841 The shape is known as a catenary curve - the curve that you get if you hold the two ends of a length of chain and allow the chain to hang in a curve. Someone (the name escapes me - although it is probably in the bookcase somewhere!) wrote a book called, I think, 'The Catenary Hive'. Jajwuth wrote in message <19990527161502.10855.00005071@ngol04.aol.com>... >Why is that bees naturally make a crescent shape comb. From what I read they >do not attach comb to bottom of top bar hive. Is that why top bar hive is >trough shaped to fool bee into thinking that side is bottom and therefore >will not attach comb to side. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DAMN! Trachael Mites! Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:50:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7in6ro$p5h$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7hvbqv$gh4@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <7hv0t3$ji7$1@golux.radix.net> <7i104t$q7$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ibf14$5hu$1@golux.radix.net> <7ie8eb$5lm$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7ihtij$6ee$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ijcq3$fqn$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932088 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17842 The point is that you are selecting for mites that damage worker brood rather than drone - that is a very big point! Mineral oil can, it seems, be used during a flow - and it is very unlikely that mites will develop resistance to it. Another point - if you ensure that mite count is low just before the flow then should should not need to treat until the flow is over - unless your flows are an awful lot longer than the ones around here. (Although I must say that, given the Spring that we are having this year, I should think that most parts of the world are sure to be having a better flow than us!) Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> > wrote in message <7ijcq3$fqn$1@News.Dal.Ca>... > > >Peter Edwards wrote: >> >> Does cutting out drone brood select for varroa that infest worker brood? > >Could be, but what's the point? As long as there are mites in the drone >brood you get rid of them during the season. It's not the big hit but >this is the only treatment you can do during honey flow. > >cheers > >Ulli From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:49:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932095 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17843 Swelling is usually greater where there is a thicker covering of flesh over the bone in my experience. Not sure that Piriton is recommended these days - causes considerable drowsiness I think - and there is a general point that antihistamines are not very useful unless injected. Taken orally they operate too slowly to prevent a serious reaction in a person who is allergic (although they may ease discomfort for new beekeepers still acquiring immunity) and used topically (applied to the skin externally) they can increase susceptibility to an allergic reaction. Best to just put up with it, get stung regularly and build immunity - then all you have to worry about is the initial pain; no cure for that! Mike Reddy wrote in message ... >Changing the base board on my Langstroth hive - adding a varroa floor >(sigh) - I got two bees in my hood, which stung me on neck and back of >head, and I was stung once on each arm. The head and left arm stings were >a minor irritation, but the stingers were removed fairly quickly; hard to >do when you have to keep the hood and gloves on! However, the right arm >sting was down my glove, and I had to reassemble the hive, doing quite a >bit of hefting, before I could attend to it. I also had quite a few >followers, hence the delay. This sting was from an angrier bee > >What is interesting is that the last sting made my arm swell much more >than the other stings. Is there some correlation to time to remover the >sting and/or the anger of the bees? I am fairly sure it's not allergic >response as the other stings I hardly noticed. > >Mike >P.S. Piriton syrup is a good bet as an antihistamine as it does not >contain lactose (too which I am allergic) and is fairly vvegetarian! > >-- >The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! >-- >Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) >Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ >Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, >Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. >TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 >HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: non bee swarms? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:27:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7in6rr$p5h$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <374B265D.2ED0@mindspring.com> <7ihtim$6ee$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ii7f0$bla$2@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932091 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17844 But do ants 'swarm'? They emerge en masse - but they do not have the coherence of a honeybee swarm. The OED gives a swarm as:"a large number of insects, small animal, birds or people moving as a cluster". Ants 'swarming' is a dispersal mechanism - they do not move as a cluster. George Styer wrote in message <7ii7f0$bla$2@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... >English is a funny language. > >The answer to the first question could be yes. Ants, termites, etc swarm and >are not honey bees. > From beeman221@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:20:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Semen collection for AI Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:29:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 21:29:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17845 Can anyone give advice on how to collect drone semen. How hard must the drone be squeezed and from where exactly is the semen "hoovered". This is on bahalf of a beekeeper on The Shetland Isles where a Queen can and does sometimes take 5 weeks to start to lay. thanks, Peter Watt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 30 07:20:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor wanted Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 00:11:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374ED3A4.F982CDDF@DOR.State.SC.US> Message-ID: <19990528201105.28123.00006169@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17846 Please describe the lashup you made to hold the pierco frames in the 9 frame extractor. I am working on a basket to hold cappings so they can be spun out in an extractor. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 30 07:20:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sterile Queen-Help!!! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 00:15:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374F1633.BC268C9C@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <19990528201517.28123.00006172@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17847 Give them a frame of eggs from the other hive Kill the drone layer. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bobpursley@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:23 EDT 1999 Article: 17848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Semen collection for AI Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 00:17:00 GMT References: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990528201700.10853.00005056@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17848 In article <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, beeman221@my-deja.com writes: > >Can anyone give advice on how to collect drone semen. How hard must the >drone be squeezed and from where exactly is the semen "hoovered". This >is on bahalf of a beekeeper on The Shetland Isles where a Queen can and >does sometimes take 5 weeks to start to lay. > This is somewhat too techninal to give over email. First, you evert the bee not by sqeezing it, there are several methods. I squeeze the head. But more importantly, once everted, the penis is in position, but you have to be carefull to not collect mucus or other contamination with your pipette. I strongly recommend a book on this, there are several books on artificial insemination that are quite good. Laidlaw is my favorite, but others are most adequate. And much practice is required, especially in the insemination of the female. I strongly suggest the library on this, or buy a book or two. I cant conceive of anyone getting this via email, without detailed pictures, description, and practice. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun May 30 07:20:24 EDT 1999 Article: 17849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 00:26:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990528202641.28123.00006176@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17849 When I first started my hives and was still dressed like a nuclear accident the second bee sting of the season would cause all the swelling. After wearing out the second pair of gloves I decided the hell with them as I was working with gloves full of holes anyway and had a better use for ten bucks. Now I get enough stings year round that I am good for a couple dozen at a time.with no big reaction. The ones right on the finger tip hurt the worst but mostly you are so involved with what you are doing that a sting just does not matter. The new keepers I am mentoring are starting out gloveless but if you are learning from a book wear out a pair of gloves and then decide. Being nervous makes you clumsy gloves or not. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:21:34 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7in6rq$p5h$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <7ikchj$opn$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 927932090 25777 62.136.95.182 (28 May 1999 22:54:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 22:54:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17850 Agreed - you need only keep it moving for 15 mins so that it does not form a solid lump - see my previous posting on mixing sugar with cold water. It is easier to use powered agitation, but Brother Adam used a paddle on a long pole (rather like an old fashioned 'squeegee') which he moved slowly along the bottom of the 'bath' which was (is!) a rectangular tiled tank. Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7ikchj$opn$1@gxsn.com>... >On a visit to Buckfast Abbey Brother Adam said not to use hot water because >it encouraged bacteria >He used to half fill a bath with cold water and stir in the sugar >He said it took 20 mins of gentle stirring to dissolve > From beeman221@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:20:25 EDT 1999 Article: 17851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Calculator Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:17:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 69 Message-ID: <7inbmi$dii$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net> <7imkhq$d2q$1@epos.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 29 00:17:22 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17851 In article <7imkhq$d2q$1@epos.tesco.net>, "John Burgess" wrote: > To estimate the number of mites in a colony from the average DAILY mite > fall, you need to multiply by a factor which depends on the time of year > Nov to Feb, multiply by 400 > May to Aug, multiply by 30 > Mar, April, Sept, Oct, multiply by 100 (rough approximation) > You then use the front of the calculator to determine if immediate treatment > is required, or if you can wait. The mite drop you quoted equals 10 per day > times 30 = estimated mite population of 300. Time before treatment up to 3 > months. However, if your colony collects bees from a collapsing colony, the > situation can alter radically. Keep checking at regular intervals. > > The calculator was actually produced by the Min. of Ag., and distributed to > all members of beekeeping associations in the UK. > Happy beekeeping > > John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper > pencaemawr@bigfoot.com > > bowyerpounds wrote in message > news:7ijm4v$fro$1@lure.pipex.net... > > In June 1998 Beecraft (England) published a varroa calculator which I > > understand was being given to members of the BBKA. I remember that by > > counting the number of mites falling through a varroa screen it is > possible > > to determine whether or not it is necessary to introduce some Bayvarol > > strips into the hive. > > > > I am aware that Beecraft are publishing pictures of the front of the > > calculator each month but it seems never the flip side. Unfortunately I > > have put my copy of June 1998 Beecraft somewhere safe and now cannot find > > it! > > > > Does anyone out there have a varroa calculator - if so can you confirm the > > estimated number of mites in my colony. Over a period of seven days > ending > > 26/5/99 I had a drop through a screen covering the whole if the base of my > > hive of approx 75-80 mites. > > > > Many thanks > > Matthew Pounds Looks like the Min of Ag missed out Scotland again. What is this calculator based on? Is it european info or English. Up here we get no support at all from the Ministry, there are no advisors at all, and we are paying taxes.... > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 30 07:20:26 EDT 1999 Article: 17852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-2ivev3l.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:17:15 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7in6rp$p5h$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.7c.75 X-Server-Date: 29 May 1999 01:05:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17852 In article <7in6rp$p5h$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > The simple answer to part 2 is that bees, by adding invertase to the nectar, > convert the sucrose content (where present) into glucose and fructose, > although some of the glucose is the converted to gluconic acid and hydrogen > peroxide by the addition of glucose oxidase. I'm almost afraid to ask this, but... if this is the SIMPLE answer, what's the COMPLEX answer?? ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 30 07:20:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-2ivev3l.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KWing Question, Again Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:18:03 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990528125624.05573.00002221@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.7c.75 X-Server-Date: 29 May 1999 01:06:00 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17853 In article <19990528125624.05573.00002221@ng-cn1.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: > Dear Charles: > > Why are you so certian that the K-wing is not tracheal mites? Have you had your > bees sampled and tested? Just because you have treated fot trachela mites does > not necessarily meen that the treatment worked. > > Ron Bennett > Luckiamute Bee I took a good handful of the bees to a venerable old local beekeper who checked 'em with a microscope and found no mites. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 30 07:20:27 EDT 1999 Article: 17854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-2ivev3l.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Semen collection for AI Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:20:37 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.7c.75 X-Server-Date: 29 May 1999 01:08:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17854 In article <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, beeman221@my-deja.com wrote: > ...The Shetland Isles where a Queen can and > does sometimes take 5 weeks to start to lay. > Shetland Islands, eh? British, right? SO THAT's why those kings are so frustrated over there!! Five weeks, you say??? ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun May 30 07:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-2ivev3l.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Semen collection for AI Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:21:26 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528201700.10853.00005056@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.7c.75 X-Server-Date: 29 May 1999 01:09:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17855 I'd be interested in finding out why they die when the mate. Similar problem to that of stinging?? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Amschelp@pe.net Sun May 30 07:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 17856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ52b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Semen collection for AI Message-ID: References: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528201700.10853.00005056@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.35 X-Trace: typ52b.nn.bcandid.com 927944033 216.100.28.35 (Fri, 28 May 1999 22:13:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:13:53 EDT Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:18:10 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17856 Drone life is cheap, like in the orient. Wm. Westmoreland In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) says... > I'd be interested in finding out why they die when the mate. Similar > problem to that of stinging?? > > From griffes@my-deja.com Sun May 30 07:20:29 EDT 1999 Article: 17857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Semen collection for AI Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:29:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7injdg$iea$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528201700.10853.00005056@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat May 29 02:29:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17857 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > I'd be interested in finding out why they die when the mate. Similar > problem to that of stinging?? The reproductive organs of a drone are carried about internally until eversion at which point they "explode" out of the abdomen. (so it ain't quite like dragging intestines out as per what happens when sting is pulled off) When eversion is done by hand for AI then the semen of a mature drone appears as a mottled tan upon a white ball of mucus. You as mentioned earlier in the thread must carefully take just the semen and NO mucus into the syringe. I too can't imagine you or anyone else pulling it off successfully of a mere description - best to be shown by an expert with a two-headed microscope so you can see exactly what they see while they are working. Sue Cobey of Ohio State University also has out a training video on AI - haven't seen it but have heard that it is good. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pfranke@databasix.com Sun May 30 07:20:30 EDT 1999 Article: 17858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:18:48 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 95 Message-ID: <7inm74$lr3$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> References: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17858 Since I've gotten a plethora of inquiries via private email on this subject since my recent response to Carman, here follows a group of links to get folks started on the subject. I would like to point out that I have been following this topic closely since February and have yet to find any studies in regards to Bt pollen and its affect on honeybee brood. Should anyone know of such studies, I would be extremely grateful to hear of them. (I really do NOT want to be a hysteria-monger on the topic). Paula (who really does try to see all sides of an ag issue before she spouts off on an opinon at AgDomain, please visit us at http://www.agdomain.com and she IS a beekeeper) pfranke@agdomain.com Carman wrote in message <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo>... >Greetings > >I found the following in in the NZ news file at >http://www.7am.com > > it really concerns me the risks involved for our bees.. >Monsanto are negotiating to plant GM rape seed in NZ.. this crosses very >readily with other brassicas... cabbage etc .. I noticed this season that >our bees were particularly attracted to my broccoli flower seed >what will be the impact? >read on:- > >21/05/99 - Gene corn presents risk for monarch butterflies > >Genetically modified corn that has killed monarch butterfly caterpillars in >overseas trials will be grown here if an agricultural company has its way. > >Pioneer New Zealand has applied to the Environmental Risk Management >Authority to conduct field trials of the crop, known as Bt-corn, in the >Waikato. > >A hearing of the application is expected in July. > >The research findings triggered alarm bells internationally as strong >evidence that genetically engineered crops could pose a threat to wildlife. > > >Although limited to laboratory tests, the findings sparked concern over >whether the crop could be harming other insects and causing damage down the >food chain. > >While monarch butterflies are not endangered, environmentalists see the >brightly coloured insects common in New Zealand as a flagship species for >conservation and an environmental indicator. > >In the tests, scientists from Cornell University in New York dusted >milkweed leaves with pollen from the corn. > >Nearly half the caterpillars feeding on the leaves died, while others grew >to about half their normal size. > >The genetically engineered maize or corn contains genes from the toxic >bacterium known commonly as Bt, an ingredient in the biological insecticide >used in the battle against the white-spotted tussock moth in Kohimarama. > >The Bt-corn, which has been shown not to harm humans, other mammals, bees >or ladybirds and is planted on 2.8 million hectares in the United States, >is designed to kill the corn borer pest. > >But Swiss scientists found that insects called lacewings died more quickly >after they fed on corn borers reared on the modified corn. > >One of the Cornell scientists, entomologist John Losey, said the findings >showed the need for more research, but he did not support a moratorium on >modified crops. > >The proven benefits in terms of increased yields and reduced insecticide >use needed to be weighed against the potential risks. > >Representatives of the agricultural giants that manufacture the corn, >Novartis AG, Pioneer Hi-Bred International and Monsanto, dismissed the >research as sloppy and said plants eaten by monarch butterfly caterpillars >did not grow near corn fields. > >"Whatever the threat to monarch butterflies that is posed by Bt-corn, we >know it is less than the threat of drifting pesticide sprays," said one >official. > >The New Zealand Labour Party spokesman on science and technology, Mark >Peck, has called for the establishment of a royal commission of inquiry >into genetically engineered food and organisms. - STAFF REPORTER, REUTERS, >AP > > > >© Copyright 1999, NZ Herald > > From paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Sun May 30 07:20:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-reference material Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:37:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7i2nuq$4ji$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <373A290F.28AF@midwest.net> <19990518113830.05086.00002885@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 21 04:37:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.46, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17859 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > My question is how do you find the back issues? If you aren't using a research library (and even if you are if the selection there doesn't include what you need), Interlibrary Loan is a system through which you can receive photocopied articles at nominal cost, as well as books held by other libraries. It's not instantaneous, but it does work most of the time. Another possibility would be to contact the publisher of the peridocal in question. Many periodicals have back issues for sale individually at reasonable prices. And if they don't have back issues for sale, they still may be able to help you find the article you want. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:31 EDT 1999 Article: 17860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HIVES PER ACRE? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 05:48:16 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7i2okr$bi3$1@gxsn.com> References: <7hkqe0$ea4$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.142.203 X-Trace: 927262171 1NNUCNF1G8ECBC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17860 honeybs wrote in message <7hkqe0$ea4$2@news1.Radix.Net>... >"Stander" wrote: > >>Approximately how many hives per acre of land, can be kept? > >Ah but!!!!!! If you had really big hives .................about 4 perhaps? Chis D > > > From pfranke@databasix.com Sun May 30 07:20:32 EDT 1999 Article: 17861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:18:48 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 95 Message-ID: <7inms2$pdn$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> References: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17861 Since I've gotten a plethora of inquiries via private email on this subject since my recent response to Carman, here follows a group of links to get folks started on the subject. I would like to point out that I have been following this topic closely since February and have yet to find any studies in regards to Bt pollen and its affect on honeybee brood. Should anyone know of such studies, I would be extremely grateful to hear of them. (I really do NOT want to be a hysteria-monger on the topic). Paula (who really does try to see all sides of an ag issue before she spouts off on an opinon at AgDomain, please visit us at http://www.agdomain.com and she IS a beekeeper) pfranke@agdomain.com Carman wrote in message <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo>... >Greetings > >I found the following in in the NZ news file at >http://www.7am.com > > it really concerns me the risks involved for our bees.. >Monsanto are negotiating to plant GM rape seed in NZ.. this crosses very >readily with other brassicas... cabbage etc .. I noticed this season that >our bees were particularly attracted to my broccoli flower seed >what will be the impact? >read on:- > >21/05/99 - Gene corn presents risk for monarch butterflies > >Genetically modified corn that has killed monarch butterfly caterpillars in >overseas trials will be grown here if an agricultural company has its way. > >Pioneer New Zealand has applied to the Environmental Risk Management >Authority to conduct field trials of the crop, known as Bt-corn, in the >Waikato. > >A hearing of the application is expected in July. > >The research findings triggered alarm bells internationally as strong >evidence that genetically engineered crops could pose a threat to wildlife. > > >Although limited to laboratory tests, the findings sparked concern over >whether the crop could be harming other insects and causing damage down the >food chain. > >While monarch butterflies are not endangered, environmentalists see the >brightly coloured insects common in New Zealand as a flagship species for >conservation and an environmental indicator. > >In the tests, scientists from Cornell University in New York dusted >milkweed leaves with pollen from the corn. > >Nearly half the caterpillars feeding on the leaves died, while others grew >to about half their normal size. > >The genetically engineered maize or corn contains genes from the toxic >bacterium known commonly as Bt, an ingredient in the biological insecticide >used in the battle against the white-spotted tussock moth in Kohimarama. > >The Bt-corn, which has been shown not to harm humans, other mammals, bees >or ladybirds and is planted on 2.8 million hectares in the United States, >is designed to kill the corn borer pest. > >But Swiss scientists found that insects called lacewings died more quickly >after they fed on corn borers reared on the modified corn. > >One of the Cornell scientists, entomologist John Losey, said the findings >showed the need for more research, but he did not support a moratorium on >modified crops. > >The proven benefits in terms of increased yields and reduced insecticide >use needed to be weighed against the potential risks. > >Representatives of the agricultural giants that manufacture the corn, >Novartis AG, Pioneer Hi-Bred International and Monsanto, dismissed the >research as sloppy and said plants eaten by monarch butterfly caterpillars >did not grow near corn fields. > >"Whatever the threat to monarch butterflies that is posed by Bt-corn, we >know it is less than the threat of drifting pesticide sprays," said one >official. > >The New Zealand Labour Party spokesman on science and technology, Mark >Peck, has called for the establishment of a royal commission of inquiry >into genetically engineered food and organisms. - STAFF REPORTER, REUTERS, >AP > > > >© Copyright 1999, NZ Herald > > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun May 30 07:20:33 EDT 1999 Article: 17862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, and ANTS ? Date: 29 May 1999 03:45:30 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7innsq$1r38$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 927949530 000 192.168.253.46 (29 May 1999 03:45:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 03:45:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17862 i finally opened up my hive and found on the outside small black ants crawling around. should i worry or not? the previous notes sound like i shouldnt. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun May 30 07:20:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need help:sugar syrup Date: 29 May 1999 03:56:00 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 2 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7inogg$tfa$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7ihc5b$35nc$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <7ikchj$opn$1@gxsn.com> <7in6rq$p5h$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 927950160 000 192.168.253.46 (29 May 1999 03:56:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 03:56:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17863 thanks everybody! From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:34 EDT 1999 Article: 17864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 04:02:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <374EDB40.50C7F774@pcpostal.com> Message-ID: <19990529000259.28074.00003082@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17864 I found one of my package beehives readying to swarm last week. I had been waiting and waiting for them to start drawing out the 9th and 10th frames, even as the other 8 were starting to get honey-bound. I had read advice here and elsewhere NOT to put the second hive body on until the bees had started drawing foundation in the 9th and 10th frames. Imagine my surprise when I opened the quicker, stronger hive of the two and found they had fallen behind the other hive, and built queen cups and one capped queen cell. I cut the queen cell out to buy time and had Brushy Mountain rush me a bait hive with pheromone lure. My package queens had their wings clipped. Was that true of yours? Since her wings were clipped, will the queen in the swarming hive try to fly away and get lost in the grass? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun May 30 07:20:35 EDT 1999 Article: 17865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: things to check for in hive Date: 29 May 1999 04:21:12 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 927951672 000 192.168.253.46 (29 May 1999 04:21:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 04:21:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17865 okay, tomorrow i will open up my hive for the second time and check for how the queen is laying. i was too chicken to check the frames the first time, but the little ladies behaved perfectly. I will also put the first super on. i live in detroit mich. what else should i check for? From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best time to hive a swarm Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 04:12:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17866 Is it better not to hive swarms at night? When I did, it seemed like the bees that didn't make it in the box couldn't find the hive. Sadly, I didn't do a good job of hiving the swarm and 2/3s didn't make it in the box. They all just kind of mulled in little clumps scattered around the hive. There are angry bees everywhere at my in-laws place right now. I also found out bees at night can be a lot more dangerous because they don't fly so much as they crawl. They were crawling all over me. They quickly got underneath the pant cuffs of my bee suit and were crawling up my legs. Ugggh! I don't recollect any book I've read recommending a preferred time of day to hive a swarm. Any advice? From pfranke@databasix.com Sun May 30 07:20:36 EDT 1999 Article: 17867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Apologies Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:57:53 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7ins0j$o4s$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> References: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> <7ifuk0$ie9$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> <01bea8c4$9454e2c0$4ec060cb@leo> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17867 I have no idea how the two previous posts appeared as duplicates without the pertinent Bt links. But here the links are now. If anyone can provide links that are specific to Bt crops and affects on honeybee brood, I'd be be grateful to hear about them. Sorry for the otherwise inconvenient duplicate posting . Paula pfranke@agdomain.com Initial, geting up to speed, Bt crop links: http://www.ag.usask.ca/cofa/departments/hort/hortinfo/pests/bt.html An overview of what Bt actually is, from the University of Saskatchewan http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/inse016/inse016.htm Another short explanation of Bt itself, from Washington State University http://www.ucsusa.org/agriculture/bt.cotton.html Case study of Bt Cotton by Union of Conscerned Scientists http://www.ext.vt.edu/news/periodicals/cses/1997-07/1997-07-03.html Bt cotton requires careful scouting, from Virginia Cooperative Extension http://ontariocorn.org/mar99art1.html Practical Considerations for Bt refuge management http://ontariocorn.org/decart4.html Responsible deployment of Bt corn technology in Ontario http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/9804.Ortman.overuse.html Purdue News: Overuse of Bt corn could reduce effectiveness http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/icm/1998/1-19-1998/btdiscon.html Disease control with Bt corn, Iowa State University http://www.primenet.com/~foxfibre/btlong.html an opinion piece http://spectre.ag.uiuc.edu/cespubs/pest/articles/199824a.html Debate about non-Bt corn refuges http://www.epa.gov/ The US EPA site, you can search here for EPA action regarding Bt crops From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sun May 30 07:20:37 EDT 1999 Article: 17868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Semen collection for AI Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:09:43 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7inose$iol@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <7in1r2$6tb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528201700.10853.00005056@ngol04.aol.com> <7injdg$iea$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 28 11:02:22 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17868 Country Jack wrote: >Sue Cobey of Ohio State University also has out a >training video on AI - haven't seen it but have heard that it is good. >-- >Jack Griffes For a *brief* synopsis of the technique, a few good pictures (and a place to pick up her video), check out her queen breeding pages at: http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/honeybee/ . --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun May 30 07:20:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy... Date: 29 May 1999 04:16:00 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7inpm0$2io4$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990527122913.15309.00000232@ngol02.aol.com> <7ik3gq$ld3$1@news.dal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 927951360 000 192.168.253.46 (29 May 1999 04:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 04:16:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17869 colemans sporting gear www.coleman.com they have netting attached to hats, shirts, legs, and real cheap too. From pollinator@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:38 EDT 1999 Article: 17870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KWing Question, Again Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 12:26:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990529082632.01106.00001745@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17870 From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >What I'm wondering is this... I also observed several workers with beat >up, frayed wings, and I've read that this is a sign that they're just >about worked to death, and are near the end of their natural lifespan. I've been told that the bees wings have 500 miles in them. Whether or not the figure is accurate, the wings are the main determiner of the bees' life spans. Some will die of disease, some eaten by preditors, or encounter other accidents, but most go out empty and cannot return full, because their wings will not support the load. This keeps the majority of death occurring outside the hive, which is good, from a health standpoint. >Is it possible that the K Wing I'm seeing is simply a symptom of that >these package bees, which have been in the hive for about a month, are >simply getting old? My understanding is that K-wings are a virus symptom. The virus is associated and spread by mites, but may be present without mites also. My own approach would be to mark the hive and watch them to see if they clean it up. If they get on with life and seem to be a normal hive, let it go. If they keep on with more K-wing, greasy looking bees, poor productivity, etc., then requeen. A lot of this weakness is genetically related. When requeening, note that cheap production queens are not a bargain. Don't buy from breeders who are just putting out queens. And I want to know that they do NOT treat for tracheal mites. I want that weakness weeded out in the breeder stock. If you have one hive that is outstanding, try raising some daughter queens next year. If you have two, better yet. Make the best one your queen mother, and the second best your drone mother. Do some stimulative feeding early in the season to get them ahead of the others. Then you'll have lots of good drones to flood your area, and lots of eggs to graft from from your No. 1 Mama. It could even be a simple as giving eggs to the hives with mediocre queens. Kill the queen, wait four days and remove any cells. Then stick in a frame with eggs from your best queen. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sun May 30 07:20:39 EDT 1999 Article: 17871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:13:39 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7iovoi$9n4@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> <374FD6D6.AF5EB460@pcpostal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 29 8:05:54 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17871 Bee Wrangler wrote: >I do not have an extra hive or swarm >trap and since this is Memorial day weekend I'm afraid I'm in big trouble. >I guess there is a lesson here somewhere. I'll be better prepared next time. In a pinch, if you know you'll be able to get a super procured or built in a few days, you can use a cardboard box. One of those with a removable cover, similar to those for paper at Kinko's or office supply store stores work great. Cut a small hole, about 1/2 - 5/8 inch or so in the bottom front side and you'res set. If you can find a box long enough to allow you to fit a frame inside (or one that you can then cut down in length), cut a hole to fit the frame endbars in the front and back sides and put a frame of brood in. You might have to cut a couple notches in the box cover for it to go down all the way, too. Your makeshift hive may not have proper bee space around the frame (spend too much time getting the measurements right and you may find the swarm is gone when you get there), but it won't matter as you'll be giving them a "proper" home in a few days. The frame of brood will keep them in the box. Any "natural" comb built to the lid of the box can be easily removed and inserted into an empty frame when you transfer them into their permanent home. If it will take more than a few days to lay your hands on the woodenware, just make sure you're able to keep the cardboard box from getting soaked in a rain shower. Putting it under a porch eave will do. You could even go farther than that if you wanted to... if the frame is placed in the box on one side or the other (not in the middle), you can get a piece of thin plywood as big, or a little bigger, than the top of the box. Cut a hole a couple inches in diameter in the middle. Lay the plywood over the top and then cut a hole the same size in the cardboard lid. Invert your feeder jar that came with the boardman entrancee feeder (I bet 10 to 1 you got one of those, right? ) over the hole and you can feed them 'til the hive body comes. A towel wrapped around the feeder jar will usually keep it from tipping over. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:48:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7ioraf$uhq$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7in6rp$p5h$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 927985807 31290 62.136.16.71 (29 May 1999 13:50:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 13:50:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17872 You will have to read the book! > >I'm almost afraid to ask this, but... if this is the SIMPLE answer, what's >the COMPLEX answer?? > >;) > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From tomasmozer@juno.com Sun May 30 07:20:40 EDT 1999 Article: 17873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & GM Pollen ..?? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:06:26 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Message-ID: <37502CA2.18F2@juno.com> References: <01bea30a$649a8040$8ac060cb@leo> <7inm74$lr3$1@dtbsx.databasix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.145 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 927994504 OCZ7E7JIA4891D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Paula Franke CC: tomasmozer@juno.com Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17873 Bt has been used on honeycomb with bees and brood for wax moth larva control for a couple of decades at least in north america and europe...should be plenty of literature on its effects available, may not be online but search "certan", one of several trade names or check wax moth websites for links...to my knowledge, there are no adverse effects >from this strain on hymenopteran larvae, as it's a selective toxin on lepidopterans(?)...perhaps the pervasive release of Bt from corn pollen into the environment, even only incidentally collected by bees and stored in the hive may exert selection pressures for Bt-resistant wax moth strains that would make this biological control method useless... From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sun May 30 07:20:41 EDT 1999 Article: 17874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:31:48 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ip0qg$aif@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> <374FD6D6.AF5EB460@pcpostal.com> <7iovoi$9n4@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 29 8:24:00 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17874 David Scribner wrote >get a piece of thin >plywood as big, or a little bigger, than the top of the box. Cut a hole a >couple inches in diameter in the middle. Lay the plywood over the top and >then cut a hole the same size in the cardboard lid. Invert your feeder jar >that came with the boardman entrancee feeder (I bet 10 to 1 you got one of >those, right? ) over the hole and you can feed them 'til the hive body >comes. A towel wrapped around the feeder jar will usually keep it from >tipping over. The thought just occurred to me (after I hit SEND of course) that if you DO have a boardman entrance feeder, why bother to cut a hole in a piece of plywood and on top of the box?!! Since the hive is makeshift, just cut a slot at the bottom edge of a side wall to fit the feeder into (saying to myself... Duh!). Use that piece of plywood for protection from rain if you have to, but no need to cut a hole in it! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sun May 30 07:20:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:15:20 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7ip3ca$cva@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <7in6rt$p5h$6@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529070040.24145.00000689@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 29 9:07:38 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17875 Jajwuth wrote: >It puzzle me why a top >bar hive would not be made in the catenary shape because of the shape of comb. With all the reference material on TBH's you've looked into I'm surprised you don't know the answer already. I'm not interested in them, but I have run across one website that mentions their use in Africa and showed a few pictures. Everything else I've picked up on TBH's has been here in the newsgroup (from replies to your posts no less!). The TBH's are used mainly because they "don't use much material" and "are easy to construct" (making their use in areas with little available material or funds more appropriate). Think about it... to obtain the catenary shape, the material for the sides and bottom would have to be cut in several more pieces, with the proper angles, before being put together (not to mention more nails and glue). Stretch out those pieces and you find you have more material used, and much more labor envolved. Besides, the TBH's constructed with catenary curves on the sides would probably lead to a narrower base, which would not be as stable either, and may need to be proped up with supports to keep it from eventually rolling over (and requiring that much more material). Personally, I'll stick with my Langstroth-style hives... --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From pakdad@mindspring.com Sun May 30 07:20:42 EDT 1999 Article: 17876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Phillip Knowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: things to check for in hive Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:23:53 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <375022A8.3047A948@mindspring.com> References: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.e0.8f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 29 May 1999 17:06:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17876 http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Try here. Pretty good info. with links. Shelley Corbin wrote: > okay, tomorrow i will open up my hive for the second time and check for > how the queen is laying. i was too chicken to check the frames the first > time, but the little ladies behaved perfectly. I will also put the first > super on. i live in detroit mich. what else should i check for? From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 17:59:47 GMT References: <7ip3ca$cva@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990529135947.13700.00004237@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17877 The catenary shape would also be easy to construct and has more economy in material than regular top bar hive. All you need is a bendable material.There are many other valid reasons to choose top bar hive. The langstroth hive is supremely difficult to construct well beyond skill level of the average woodworker. Personally I have only a passive interest in langstroth type hive and I would not use one at this time. From lithar@midwest.net Sun May 30 07:20:43 EDT 1999 Article: 17878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:12:52 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.34 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:23:43 GMT X-Trace: 928005823.534.23 JF3D7GB4M1C22D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17878 Jajwuth wrote: > > I think it is an illusion that products of top bar hive are not more pure and > natural. > I believe with langstroth hive honey comb is reused. The people who produce comb honey from a Langstroth hive would disagree with your assessment. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:44 EDT 1999 Article: 17879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Vacs are ready Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 May 1999 08:28:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990521042815.11363.00001201@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17879 If you've been waiting on a bee vac from Brushy Mtn they will be there today. First 20 sold out quick, am delivering next shipment to them this morning. Sorry for any delay just takes a while ta build 20 of the things. As usual their built out of 3/4 a/c plywood, painted with Dura gloss exterior paint, screwed and glued not just nailed. every one built by hand rite here in lillington NC Brushy mtn number is 1-800-beeswax Ask for Big Johnson's BeeVac All ya'll thats bought em up till now,, we sure do appreciate it. Kevin, Melanie and Nancy Johnson Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From petera@reigate.demon.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:56:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928008521 nnrp-11:6719 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17880 In article <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Swelling is usually greater where there is a thicker covering of flesh over >the bone in my experience. > >Not sure that Piriton is recommended these days - causes considerable >drowsiness I think - and there is a general point that antihistamines are >not very useful unless injected. Taken orally they operate too slowly to >prevent a serious reaction in a person who is allergic (although they may >ease discomfort for new beekeepers still acquiring immunity) and used >topically (applied to the skin externally) they can increase susceptibility >to an allergic reaction. > >Best to just put up with it, get stung regularly and build immunity - then >all you have to worry about is the initial pain; no cure for that! I agree Piriton does make you drowsy and is not recommended if you are driving. However I have been recommended to use Zirtek as an alternative. I used to use Triludan but these are not recommended if you are taking Beta Blockers etc. I also use Antihistamine Ointment and fins that very soothing on bad stings. Hope that this helps. Pete Reigate Division - Surrey Beekeepers Association http://www.reigate.demon.co.uk -- Peter Ashley From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 30 07:20:45 EDT 1999 Article: 17881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:51:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ipo12$o2c$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> <19990529042714.19943.00006231@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-99.uranium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 928015202 24652 62.136.45.227 (29 May 1999 22:00:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 22:00:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17881 Agreed. It is best to do it as late as you can, but while the bees will still fly. Certainly do not try to put bees into an empty hive that has been stood in the sun for some time. I once did this when I was giving a talk to a local school and had been lucky enough to get a swarm that day. The children crowded by the window while I held up the skep so that they could see the swarm clustered and I then explained how I would shake the swarm on to a board in front of the hive and they would run in. I shook them and watched them starting to go in, then took a break for a well earned cuppa; a few minutes later the children asked me why the bees were coming back out! It was a very hot day and the temperature in the hive was obviously not to the bees liking! I then had to reassure the Headteacher that all was under control and that I arranged all this so that I could demonstrate how bees swarmed and how beekeepers collected them. Fortunately they clustered on a low branch and I was able to take them easily - to the great admiration of the assembled crowds! Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990529042714.19943.00006231@ng-ft1.aol.com>... >late afternoon, near dusk >but not in the dark From pencaemawr@bigfoot.com Sun May 30 07:20:46 EDT 1999 Article: 17882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "John Burgess" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:46:03 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7ipond$4br$1@barcode.tesco.net> References: <374DFCDF.3BE1EED5@ozemail.com.au> <19990527215436.25969.00000650@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.67.69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17882 Jajwuth wrote in message > > Myself I'm a big fan of Top Bar Hive I never would have guessed :o) ! Seriously, what do you find so good about topbar hives? I can see the merit in 3rd world countries, but where the precision woodworking machinery needed for Langstroth etc hives is available, what is the attraction? Remember, having the bees draw out fresh comb after every harvest has a significant effect on honey yields. -- John Burgess, Editor Gwenynwyr Cymru/The Welsh Beekeeper pencaemawr@bigfoot.com From cde049@airmail.net Sun May 30 07:20:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:55:30 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 21 Message-ID: <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7ipqpr$lgq@library2.airnews.net> References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat May 29 17:47:24 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`g3b1k-X6Q>T`+ (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17883 On the same subject; is it absolutely necessary to embed the wires into the foundation? cliff > Did you insert metal eyelets in the endbar holes? If not, you'll find the > wire cuts into the wood, which makes it difficult to get a tight draw (or > one that stays tight if you do). If you didn't use them, order them. They > are cheap (about $2.00 per 1000). While you're at it, don't forget the > little punch used to drive them into the endbar holes (.85 cents). > Together, they'll help you get strong cross-wires in the frame. > > --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA > Niche on the Net! - > > > From barry@birkey.com Sun May 30 07:20:47 EDT 1999 Article: 17884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:48:06 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Message-ID: <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> <19990529163502.09530.00000640@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.148.223 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17884 In article <19990529163502.09530.00000640@ngol03.aol.com> , jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Top bar hive is more natural to bees, beekeeper and consumer of products. > Products of langstroth hive are in a more marketable form for commercial > operations. This adds confusion and possibly prejudice to assessment of > purity. By definition and lack of inputs top bar hive products have to be more > pure and natural. > > Can you please tell us how long you've been keeping bees in TBH's? How long in Langstroth hives or any other hive for that matter? We'll start here as I believe it will become obvious your reply will be very close to 0. Just go and keep bees in whatever style hive YOU like and we'll all respect you in your freedom of choice. This debate is a very silly one which I put on the same par as which is the more natural and pure way to put a roll of toilet paper on the holder. Regards, -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com From a.ghedir@wanadoo.fr Sun May 30 07:20:48 EDT 1999 Article: 17885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Géa" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: L'Eau miracle Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:49:03 +0200 Organization: XYZ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7ipnig$b1a$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr> <7ihdii$fdo$2@wanadoo.fr> <7ijpql$fhu$1@news.nordnet.fr> Reply-To: "Géa" NNTP-Posting-Host: blille1-1-38.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 928014736 11306 193.250.65.38 (29 May 1999 21:52:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 1999 21:52:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3225 alt.agriculture.beef:1681 alt.agriculture.commodities:315 alt.agriculture.fruit:9076 alt.agriculture.misc:10968 alt.agriculture.technology:328 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22531 sci.agriculture:34634 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17885 sci.agriculture.fruit:2767 Bonsoir, Avez vous entendu parlé de "driwater" c'est de l'eau gélatinée qui permet d'irriguer des plantes sans pratiquement aucune perte d'eau. Dans l'irrigation traditionnelle 5% seulement d'eau va à la plante, 95 % sont absorbé par le sol. Avec driwater c'est le contraire il y a une perte de 5 % seulement. Est-ce rentable en France ? ça je ne sais pas mais ça mérite d'être vu et revu. Quand à moi je recherche l'entreprise qui fabrique ce produit et qui est aux Etats Unis. On peut en discuter si cela vous intéresse, en sachant que je ne suis pas agriculteur mais que je m'intéresse à tout ce qui permet à l'environnement de se "raisonner". Cordialement From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:49 EDT 1999 Article: 17886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 01:01:38 GMT References: <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990529210138.13700.00004284@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17886 Well pardon me I didn't know top bar hives were only for use in third world countries. Debate is not about freedom of choice that is assumed. Everybody seems to be locked into the langstroth mentality. I presented views based on my own research and tossed them out for comment. Thats what newsgroups are all about. Honey yields are well understood by any top bar hive enthusiast. About 80% of beekeepers are small scale making the automatic selection of langstroth hives questionable. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun May 30 07:20:50 EDT 1999 Article: 17887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Sat, 29 May 99 23:46:56 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.103 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:45:49 GMT X-Trace: 928025149.520.47 KRFRRPH9I9867CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17887 Hi, Several years ago(many), I was stung, one eye swelled shut, and the other swelled to the point that I could only tell if it was night, or day . I sat down, and zoned completely out . I didn't keel over, but I sat for quite awhile, staring at a wall, feeling nothing, no fear, mild pain . With my own bees, now, I've been stung twice, and nothing worse came of it, than a sore spot for awhile . I was worried at the time, but now I'm confused . Do people out-grow allergic reactions ? Stay Stronger, Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/29/99 1:45AM, in message <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >Taken orally they operate too slowly to >prevent a serious reaction in a person who is allergic (although they may >ease discomfort for new beekeepers still acquiring True to a point, the Benadryl liquid filled caplets can be pierced and squeezed out under the tongue. I wouldn't rely on it entirely rather using it in conjuction with an epi pen. But this does work very quickly for mild reactions such as local swelling after 10-15 stings. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:20:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:18:59 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7iqflv$er4$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.201 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928039423 15204 12.72.48.201 (30 May 1999 04:43:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 04:43:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17888 To believe that bees in a TBH are any less suceptible to disease is pure folly. As for organic, I think in another post you said you were in a city. Unless you can certify that all your neighbors in a 1.5 mile radius use only organic methods, forget thinking that you can even come close to meeting the criteria (in the US) for labeling your honey organic. Might want to search the archives where both TBH "pure" honey and organic beekeeping have both been discussed ad nauseum. Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com... > I think it is an illusion that products of top bar hive are not more pure and > natural. > I believe with langstroth hive honey comb is reused. Top bar hive has new comb > (no foundation) with each harvest. The bees are under less stress, also. With > minimal investment of hive, disease control does not have to take on chemical > route. My impression is that it is like organic beekeeping versus regular > beekeeping. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:20:51 EDT 1999 Article: 17889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:32:14 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7iqfm0$er4$3@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> <374EDB40.50C7F774@pcpostal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.201 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928039424 15204 12.72.48.201 (30 May 1999 04:43:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 04:43:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17889 Inspect both your hives. If you see your marked queens inside you will know the swarm is from somewhere else. If your queens are not marked..........hum, something to think about. Bee Wrangler wrote in message news:374EDB40.50C7F774@pcpostal.com... > Sorry. After getting a better look at this swarm it is huge, I'm really not > sure that this could be from one of my colonies as I don't think either of > my hives had this many bees. Maybe they are wild? > Any help would be greatly apreicated. > > > > From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun May 30 07:20:52 EDT 1999 Article: 17890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:12:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7iqflu$er4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990529210138.13700.00004284@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.201 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928039422 15204 12.72.48.201 (30 May 1999 04:43:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 04:43:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17890 OK. I get it. Your Peter A, right? Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990529210138.13700.00004284@ngol06.aol.com... > Well pardon me > > I didn't know top bar hives were only for use in third world countries. > Debate is not about freedom of choice that is assumed. > Everybody seems to be locked into the langstroth mentality. > I presented views based on my own research and tossed them out for comment. > Thats what newsgroups are all about. > Honey yields are well understood by any top bar hive enthusiast. > About 80% of beekeepers are small scale making the automatic selection of > langstroth hives questionable. > > From jajwuth@aol.com Sun May 30 07:20:53 EDT 1999 Article: 17891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 20:35:02 GMT References: <37503C34.41A8@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990529163502.09530.00000640@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17891 Top bar hive is more natural to bees, beekeeper and consumer of products. Products of langstroth hive are in a more marketable form for commercial operations. This adds confusion and possibly prejudice to assessment of purity. By definition and lack of inputs top bar hive products have to be more pure and natural. From honeybs@radix.net Sun May 30 07:20:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Advise? Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:43:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7i3eh9$ham$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7i1cq6$565$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17892 tim@ipeg.com wrote: >What is the proper placement fo Apistan strips? >Should they be wedged vertically between the frame >endbars or what? READ THE LABEL INSTRUCTIONS!! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From Amschelp@pe.net Sun May 30 07:20:54 EDT 1999 Article: 17893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Message-ID: References: <7ikv5c$n6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.240 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 928041510 216.100.28.240 (Sun, 30 May 1999 01:18:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:18:30 EDT Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:22:47 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17893 A well run Langstroth operation can produce a fine work of nature, dude. My Aunt Crewe in Sheridan told me so, and my cousin in Story proves it is true. Bee power is immense and we can be proud of our countryman, Mr. Langstroth, of Illinois, I believe it is, for designing moveable frames to be able to harness this tremendous puissance des fleurs. (smokin' a little medicine tonight over here tonight - join me George?) In article <19990528105437.17932.00004292@ngol07.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > I think it is an illusion that products of top bar hive are not more pure and > natural. > I believe with langstroth hive honey comb is reused. Top bar hive has new comb > (no foundation) with each harvest. The bees are under less stress, also. With > minimal investment of hive, disease control does not have to take on chemical > route. My impression is that it is like organic beekeeping versus regular > beekeeping. > From lithar@midwest.net Sun May 30 07:20:55 EDT 1999 Article: 17894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor wanted Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:02:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Message-ID: <375039D7.4AC8@midwest.net> References: <7ihcah$563$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <19990526140503.01107.00000527@ng-cq1.aol.com> <374D5950.6666@midwest.net> <374ED3A4.F982CDDF@DOR.State.SC.US> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.34 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:13:39 GMT X-Trace: 928005219.371.13 JF3D7GB4M1C22D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17894 I think there is something in the literature that came with the extractor that mentions enlarging the slots to accomodate the plastic frames. AL RICHARD TROYER wrote: > > I just purchased the 9-frame. Unfortunately, the slots will not hold my plastic > pierco frames...and I have ten supers of plastic frames. I have rigged a makeshift > fix, but I'm not totally happy with the situation. > Rich > Columbia, SC > > AL wrote: > > > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > > > > Pretty hard to beat the Italian "compact deluxe" that Brushy mtn sells IMO. > > > The plastic one from Dadant might be ok but the few people I know that have one > > > hate it. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > > > > The 9-frame radial for just a few more bucks is a nice machine - the > > gearing is very smooth and the basket assembly is well balanced. All > > materials appear to be top quality. I bought one last fall, but didn't > > get a chance to use it - and no, Skip, I'm not going to elaborate. > > > > AL From e-jeve@spiritone.com Sun May 30 07:20:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: 30 May 1999 04:54:19 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <928040059.662063@ridge.spiritone.com> References: <7ip3ca$cva@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <19990529135947.13700.00004237@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Trace-ISP: 928040047 17362 208.130.242.185 hf4o/F47:r-wrir X-Complaints-To-ISP: abuse at spiritone dot com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17895 This seems to be a worthless debate about nothing by someone who has an axe ? to grind but what is this "beyond skill of average woodworker." I believe most all woodworkers and any other competent person is due an apology forthwith. Gene Jajwuth wrote in message <19990529135947.13700.00004237@ngol06.aol.com>... >The catenary shape would also be easy to construct and has more economy in >material than regular top bar hive. All you need is a bendable material.There >are many other valid reasons to choose top bar hive. The langstroth hive is >supremely difficult to construct well beyond skill level of the average >woodworker. > >Personally I have only a passive interest in langstroth type hive and I would >not use one at this time. > > From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Sun May 30 07:20:56 EDT 1999 Article: 17896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:19:32 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7iqkse$2bh@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@library-proxy.airnews.net> <7iqhq4$l6@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-59.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 29 11:12:30 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17896 dewitt wrote in message: >On the same subject; is it absolutely necessary to embed the wires into the >foundation? > >cliff Sorry Cliff for such a lenthy reply in the previous post of mine, but as I re-read your question it dawned on me that you probably weren't asking if it's absolutely necessary to wire frames for foundation (or use wired foundation), but to EMBED those wires into the foundation! No, it's not *absolutely* necessary (and no, I'm NOT going to write another book!) ;-) However, it does help. Bees don't care for wires much. If they're embedded, they will overlook them more easily. Even though they may try to chew them out, they won't get anywhere and just give up and build the comb. If the wires aren't embedded, again, from my first-year learning experiences, I noticed the bees would draw out the comb between the wires first. They eventually drew out the comb over the wires, but you could tell they didn't want to. Electric embedders are expensive ($50+ with transformer). They're quick and efficient if you've got a lot of frames to work. You can also just use the tranformer by itself (half the price) by placing the transformer wires on the ends of each strand of wire for a second or two. The wire heats up and melts into the wax. Spur embedders are cheap ($6 or so), and are much better than leaving the wires un-embedded. Heat up the wheel hot enough to melt the wax before you run it over the wires. A little slower, but it works just as well. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From npatt@snet.net Mon May 31 08:35:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 7 questions for the beeblical elite. Date: 30 May 1999 13:10:57 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Message-ID: <7irdd1$3jv@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh3-port31.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17897 Here's the situation and my questions. My hive is doing fantastic! I live in Northwest Connecticut There is a tremendous amount of activity I have 2 deep and 1 shallow for the bees. Above that I have 2 shallows, one brand new with foundation and one that I put on a while ago. The hive is absolutely packed with bees, brood and honey. The queen is laying very well. I'm concerned about it swarming. Questions: 1. I've read about clipping the queen's wings. Is this wise at this time? or ever? 2. The top shallow super I put on is full of honey. Can I extract this now? 3. I just put one shallow on the hive. Should I put more on? 4. When examining the hive for queen cells, do I go through every super and every frame in search of queen cells? Will there be some this early? 5. Is there any place to find a little extractor that handles say, 2 or 3 frames at a time? 6. When do I put on a queen excluder? 7. How do I not ruin a good situation? From helmick@webtv.net Mon May 31 08:35:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 38 Message-ID: <16391-37515696-42@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQyVE/R6DODPEKKYDsN9unaTrTvKQIUflCvo1Gqv306dNOqyF3m8znX60s= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17898 My daughter has always been very allergic to just about everything. Even sitting on grass would cause her to have a poison ivy-like breakout. From the time she learned to walk. she was stepping on honeybees with major swelling at the site of the sting. A sting on the side of her face would cause her eye to swell shut. She missed school school on a number of occasions because she couldn't wear shoes after a sting. (This was a few years ago when there were actually bees in our yard). A few years ago as a barefooted teenager, she stepped on a yellow jacket. It only stung her one time, but that was enough. In less than fifteen minutes she had hives covering her abdomen and starting up her back. I called the family doctor and was told to take her to the ER immediately. It took us about twenty minutes to get there there and by that time she was in trouble, difficulty breathing and irregular heartbeat. To make a long story short, she was fine after treatment. She was told that she should carry the epi-pen with her at all times because her next sting could be fatal. She has been stung twice since by honey bees with no reaction at all. She had her pen ready for the first sign of reaction, but there was none. Is there a difference between the stings of honeybees, wasps, and yellow jackets, or was she just lucky? I am hoping that she is not allergic to honeybee stings since I have a couple hundred thousand at rather close proximity to my home ( I didn't start beekeeping until she left home and with her permission). She only gets home a couple of times a year now, but I still worry. One thing we were told by the attending physician was that localized swelling in various degrees was normal, but anytime there is a reaction AWAY from the SITE of the sting, (ie hives, difficulty breathing, profuse sweating, nausea, rapid heart beat, etc.) get help fast! BTW I wear latex surgeons gloves and sustain very few stings, but the ones I do get on my hands have done wonders for my arthritis!! From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Mon May 31 08:35:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nation Hive Plane Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:15:47 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 928080367 nnrp-10:24768 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17899 In article , Diane Baxter writes >Hello, > >Does anyone know where I may find plans to build a National Hive from >the net ? > >Many thanks Try the BBKA home page at www.bbka.demon.co.uk They should be able to put you in touch with your local beekeeping association who often have auctions of second hand equipment. I like carpentry etc , but if I can buy a second hand hive for less than a fiver, who wants to spend time building. -- David Gladstone masquerading as a real person who also exists as honsec@bristol-beekeepers.freeserve.co.uk (but only with my beekeeping hat on [#;#} ) From bobpursley@aol.com Mon May 31 08:35:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round metal hive bottom Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 16:54:01 GMT References: <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530125401.10853.00005391@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17900 In article <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" writes: >>Someone, French or Belgian, Has a picture on their websight showing a hive >>bottom made of metal tubes to try to combat varoa. >> http://www.apiculture.com/plateau-anti-varroas/ I looked at the website, and quoting..."The principle of the anti-varroa bottom board has come from the fact that: wild colonies of honey bees can be found, free of varroa, in highly infested areas..." This is not a true fact that I am aware of. In fact, my observation is that varroa has greatly reduced the feral populatio, at least here in Texas. It may be difficult to find wild colonies with great contamination of Varroa, generally because they are already dead. If there are a few wild feral colonies really thriving, no doubt they are still free of Varroa. Am I incorrect here? From rod@gw4slk.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 31 08:35:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod Craddock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 7 questions for the beeblical elite. Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:25:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7irsb3$mji$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7irdd1$3jv@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-65.altace.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928085155 23154 62.136.49.65 (30 May 1999 17:25:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 17:25:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 64 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17901 wrote in message news:7irdd1$3jv@news1.snet.net... > Here's the situation and my questions. > > My hive is doing fantastic! > > I live in Northwest Connecticut > > There is a tremendous amount of activity > > I have 2 deep and 1 shallow for the bees. Above that I have 2 shallows, one brand new with foundation and one that I put on a while ago. > > The hive is absolutely packed with bees, brood and honey. > > The queen is laying very well. > > I'm concerned about it swarming. > > > Questions: > > 1. I've read about clipping the queen's wings. Is this wise at this time? or ever? > > 2. The top shallow super I put on is full of honey. Can I extract this now? > > 3. I just put one shallow on the hive. Should I put more on? > > 4. When examining the hive for queen cells, do I go through every super and every frame in search of queen cells? Will there be some this early? > > 5. Is there any place to find a little extractor that handles say, 2 or 3 frames at a time? > > 6. When do I put on a queen excluder? > > 7. How do I not ruin a good situation? Hi, Bear in mind my experience is 24 years in North Wales so timing may differ, but I'll try to adjust to what I imagine things are like in CT. 1. Many experienced bee-keepers do it, I don't. I don't trust mysellf to not damage the queen. Also you don't stop swarming, just that the swarm can't go any where 'cos the queen don't fly. 2.Yes if you want. That would be risky here in Wales because our spring honey flow has stopped & next lot won't come in until later in June. The wet super can go right back on the hive and they'll fill very quickly. 3.Early in the season, err on the side of more space rather than less. 4.Yes they can swarm this early, here it can be latre April, tho' more usual Mid-May to mid -July. To be sure you should look at every frame, but a short cut often used is to split the boxes & just look on the bottom bars of the frames, if nothing there you are probably OK. If you see cells there you have to go into whatever swarm control measure you have chosen. 5.http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/weblinks.htm Try this URL. 6.You should have put it on above the stack you allocated as brood nest, tho' with the kind of honey flows you could get in CT, the sheer pressure of honey coming in will probably keep Her Majesty down in the lower boxes. 7. Tell me when you find out Rod From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Mon May 31 08:35:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:51:07 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3D11E0D89141F0FB.064748CF97083FF2.C9E6331D9A7E5341@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.222.133.59 X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 30 8:43:33 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17902 dewitt wrote in message: >Someone, French or Belgian, Has a picture on their websight showing a hive >bottom made of metal tubes to try to combat varoa. > >Does anyone have the URL or how the experiment is going? Try here, I think this is the place you want: http://www.apiculture.com/plateau-anti-varroas/ --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Mon May 31 08:35:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:27:05 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 108 Message-ID: <7iqhq4$l6@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> <7ikr3o$i6t@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <51D24D466C0A7ED1.26450D35A7B93259.9501B7B2465C10EC@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 29 10:20:04 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17903 dewitt wrote in message: >On the same subject; is it absolutely necessary to embed the wires into the >foundation? > >cliff No, not *absolutely* necessary, though the answer is really variable in different situations. For example, will you be running the frames through an extractor, or producing honeycomb for eating? If your answer is to extract, you will find your combs are much stronger, especially the first year, if you provide support. This support will prevent what's called "blow out". Blow out happens when your combs, if spun too fast, too quickly, in the extractor, separate from the frames and wind up in pieces thrown against the extractor wall if you're using a radial extractor. If you're using a tangential extractor (in which the frames are put in a basket and spin perpendicular to the shaft), the pieces wind up getting impressed into and stuck to the basket. When you take the frame out, the comb stays stuck to the basket. What kind of foundations are there? The weakest foundation is "thin foundation" or "thin surplus", because it's so thin and is used mainly for comb honey producers using sections or rounds (which take special frames and supers). Thin surplus can be used in regular frames, too, but being so thin, the foundation will sag in the frames quickly on hot days unless it's drawn out by the bees first. The next in line is "cut-comb" foundation. It's slightly thicker, but stands up to cutting into pieces used for packaging in plastic boxes, or inserted into jars that are then filled with honey, leaving a "chunk" of comb inside. Then comes your "medium brood", which is thicker still, but still has no support unless provided by you. Next you have "crimp-wired, which is basically medium brood with 9 or 10 vertical wires that are "crimped", and imbedded in the foundation. Crimp-wired foundation usually has little hooks at the top, which are then placed under the topbar cleats (wedges) and provide additional support for the foundation. Near the top of the list for durability (and with no pun intended ), but at what many consider a sacrifice in acceptance by bees, is "Duragilt" (developed by Dadant & Sons), which is a sheet of thin plastic covered and bonded on both sides with a layer of beeswax, then run through the mill press to imprint the cells. Duragilt usually has metal edges on the sides for extra rigidity. Some have found that bees are not as inclinded to draw comb on Duragilt foundation unless a heavy nectar flow is on. Bees have also been known to remove the beeswax layer from an area of the foundation (for use elsewhere), exposing the plastic core. Usually, once bees do this, they become VERY hesitant in building comb over that plastic area. At the top of the durability list is plastic comb, which is shallow comb cells made of hard plastic, then covered in a thin layer of beeswax. Some have had success with plastic comb, but I have never tried it (personal preference only... I'm just not big on plastics in my hives). What kind of support systems are there for wax foundation? Basically two. One, "support pins", which are small metal pins that look like miniature old-style wooden clothespins with two "legs". These are inserted in the holes in the endbars after the foundation has been fixed into the frame, with a "leg" going on each side of the foundation. Support pins add strength, but if used, most recommend using them in frames for the brood nest, not for frames going into an extractor. And two, wiring. Wiring can add significant strength to a sheet of foundation. Basic wiring is running tinned wire horizontally through the holes in the endbar. An even stronger wiring scheme some use is to have the wire form an "X" in the frame, and with the top and bottom wires running horizontally, encasing the "X" so to speak. This scheme uses more wire, but some prefer it (especially if they're running the frames through a motorized extractor that can really sling the honey out). Now that you've got all that down, what kind of support should be given to foundation that will be used in an extractor? Again, several options ... If you're using plastic comb or Duragilt, no additional support is needed. If you're using crimp-wired foundation, none is *absolutely* required, but comb strength can be enhanced greatly if you also wire the frame (I do). If you're not wiring, support pins will help. Lacking that, be extra careful and run your extractor very slow at first until a large bulk of the honey is out. If your using a tangential extractor, the normal recommendation is to extract half the honey out of one side, then reverse the frames in the basket and run all the honey out of that side, reverse again and finish. If you're foundation is not cross-wired, and it's your first year, add an extra reverse or two in there to relieve the pressure exerted on the comb by the honey and you should be all right. If you're using plain medium brood or cut-comb, wired frames are virtually a necessity if you're going to be using an extractor. You could be very, VERY delicate and spend a great deal of time spinning them if they aren't wired (and reversing if needed), and you may have a few "blow outs", but it can be done if enough caution is used (happened to me my first year, so don't feel alone if that's what you've done). You might not be able to extract the combs as "cleanly" of their honey, but the bees will take your leftovers! Now, to make all this simple and direct... should you wire if you're going to extract? Yes, unless you're using Duragilt or plastic comb. Did you not wire, and are using crimp-wire foundation? Go very easy when spinning. Did you not wire, and are using cut comb or medium brood foundation? Go EXTRA, EXTRA easy, and don't expect to get all the honey out of the comb that you normally would. Did you not wire, and are using thin surplus foundation? Forget extracting and eat the comb! If you have a few blow-outs, don't fret... you'll just have more wax to strain out. You'll also find that each time the combs are used in the hive, the bees build on them and they get stronger. My first year, the first two supers I put on my hives were plain foundation with support pins only (tight budget). About a third of them blew out in the extractor (it was my first time extracting, too). After two or three harvests and extractings, the "surviving" combs could be spun as fast as the others, and they did just fine. Sorry about the novel... but I hope this answers your questions! Good luck! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 31 08:35:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:51:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 58 Message-ID: <7iru6h$ast$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <16391-37515696-42@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-99.drummer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 928087057 11165 62.136.99.99 (30 May 1999 17:57:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 17:57:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17904 donna helmick wrote in message <16391-37515696-42@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Is there a difference between the stings of honeybees, wasps, and yellow jackets, or was she just lucky? One thing we were told by the attending physician was that localized swelling in various degrees was normal, but anytime there is a reaction AWAY from the SITE of the sting, (ie hives, difficulty breathing, profuse sweating, nausea, rapid heart beat, etc.) get help fast! The composition of the venom is similar but sufficiently different to produce differing reactions. There are varying degrees of reaction varying through: 1 Mild local swelling 2 Gross local swelling (whole limb) 3 Mild systemic reaction (wheezing, watering eyes) 4 Moderate systemic reaction (severe breathlessness, widespread urticaria i.e. nettle rash or hives) 5 Anaphylactic shock (very low blood pressure, collapse and possibly death) Most beekeepers suffer 1 at first and sometimes 2; 3 is more rare but does occur and may be overcome as tolerance increases. However, 2 suggests that you should be careful and 3 is a definite warning sign. In general, it is an increasingly severe reaction that should ring alarm bells - reaction at level 3 may mean a reaction at level 5 if the person is stung again. It is perhaps surprising that so few beekeepers seem to understand the basics of the body's reaction to stings. Bee venom is 'foreign' protein that triggers the immune system to respond to the invasion and for our purposes there are two main substances that are produced - Immunoglobin G and Immunoglobin E (IgG and IgE). IgG is the good guy which tries to block and neutralise the invader whilst IgE sets off all the alarm bells often causing an overreaction by the body's defences. If you have high IgE then you get a severe reaction whilst high IgG gives immunity. However, the catch is that levels of IgG will decline if you are not stung regularly! So a new beekeeper usually gets a mild reaction at first and then becomes increasingly immune as levels of IgG rise, and with regular stings will maintain immunity - although the first few stings of the season may cause some reaction. In some unfortunate individuals it is the level of IgE that rises - and if the IgG remains low then become increasingly allergic. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 31 08:35:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urgent! Bee Stampede! Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:21:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7iru6g$ast$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <374ED4D6.97365FD9@pcpostal.com> <374EDB40.50C7F774@pcpostal.com> <7iqfm0$er4$3@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-99.drummer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 928087056 11165 62.136.99.99 (30 May 1999 17:57:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 17:57:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17905 Very large swarms can occur for at least two reasons other than that the swarming colony is very strong: 1 More than one colony in the apiary swarms simultaneously and the swarms join 2 A colony which has swarmed may produce a very large mating swarm when the new queen flies to mate; this often happens when bad weather has delayed her flight and all the brood has hatched - it may be that the bees know that without the queen they have no hope of survival as a colony (as there is nothing left to produce another queen) and they fly to stay with her. >> Sorry. After getting a better look at this swarm it is huge, I'm really >not >> sure that this could be from one of my colonies as I don't think either of >> my hives had this many bees. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Mon May 31 08:35:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Distinctive queen noise? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:05:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37519A08.2D8A6CA6@worldnet.att.net> References: <37406E13.1FEF7A85@digizen.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.66.188 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928094641 24345 12.72.66.188 (30 May 1999 20:04:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 20:04:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17906 It's called queen piping, and the BEE-L archive has four or five dozen messages discussing it. Send: SEARCH BEE-L PIPING to LISTSERV@LISTSERVE.ALBANY.EDU for a listing. Then use GETPOST ### to receive the messages themselves. John A. Taylor wrote: > > Yesterday I was checking on one of my hives and noticed an odd noise. I > wasn't sure if it was coming from my bees, or somewhere outside the > hive. > > A few moments later, I spotted the queen, and noticed that the noise > occured each time she stopped moving about on the frame, and the > fluctuation of the noise corresponded exactly with the movements of her > abdomen. > > The noise was a sort of high-pitched chirp. > > I observed this for several minutes, and am fairly certain the noise was > coming from the queen. > > Has anyone else observed this, or heard of it? From h.tait@home.com Mon May 31 08:35:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ikcc3$9ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Queen right Queen rearing Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:03:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 928091016 24.65.109.178 (Sun, 30 May 1999 12:03:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:03:36 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17907 > Has anyone experience in starting cells in a Queen right hive? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Peter We have tried it with both a queen right hive and a double queened hive and have had success. Here is a rough idea of how we work it. Find the queen and make sure she is below an excluder, then on top of the exculder we place a wooden divider that has a removable slide that can be removed at will without disturbing the hive. Above that we place a box with a frame of capped brood, pollen stores and honey stores, and frames of bees. Then we leave them with the slide closed for about three hour minimum, so they react and think they are queenless At this point we either plave grafted larvae, or jenter cells ( with eggs) or just a frame of fresh eggs. They will start drawing out the cells for queens. After 2 or 3 days we then remove the slide and the rest of the bees move up and help finish the queen cells. Because the excluder is there the original queen cannot move up and kill them. Need more info e-mail us and we will try to help hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries From barry@birkey.com Mon May 31 08:35:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:19:22 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 109 Message-ID: <7is6lh$7do$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7ipr0c$eig$1@eve.enteract.com> <19990529210138.13700.00004284@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17908 In article <19990529210138.13700.00004284@ngol06.aol.com> , jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Everybody seems to be locked into the langstroth mentality. Perhaps there is a solid reason for this! My guess is that most beekeepers value the end product, honey, more than the by products of the hive. It doesn't take long to figure that one can get a greater yield of honey if the bees aren't required to first spend a lot of energy building comb. It's a little tough extracting honey from "natural" comb without ruining it. I have nothing against TBH's nor those that use them. If that's your liking, great, build a few and enjoy the hobby. > I presented views based on my own research and tossed them out for comment. Well you're getting the comments ;>) Go back and read Paul Oakley's fine post. He asked you to produce comparative research figures to back the claim that TBH's are less susceptible to disease. When people make remarks or claims like this, you can expect to be ask to prove what you say. Personal feeling and thoughts on an issue is one thing that is tolerated but one should be expected to a long list of doubters when a blanket statement is made such as the ones you've made. > Honey yields are well understood by any top bar hive enthusiast. > About 80% of beekeepers are small scale making the automatic selection of > langstroth hives questionable. Questionable? In what way? Maybe you're the only one who is questioning it, which is fine to do. We're back to the personal choice thing again. > I have a real nice site that you envision. > Can I now label my honey "organic". Again, there has been A LOT said about this already and I would encourage you to read that first before we go over the same old ground unless there is something new. > Archives are tedious to search Yes they are but you will find that it's well worth it if you will take a little time to educate yourself with several of the search's out there and before long you will be able to find information you want without it being tedious. A few places to start: http://www.deja.com/ (using "organic honey" as the search word will bring up more on this subject than you would probably care to read) http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/home.html and if you were/are a member of BEE-L, (I got 329 matches here) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Searching BEE-L archives is a two step process. The first step is to send the service request to the server: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.albany.edu with a line or lines of mail that read: SEARCH BEE-L topic1 In the above case, LISTSERV will search THE ENTIRE ARCHIVES(!) for all remote references to topic1. If the search request was SEARCH BEE-L Bears in the woods LISTSERV would return the number of ALL POSTS containing any subset of the words BEARS and IN and THE and WOODS. A post containing the phrase 'fruit BEARing' or 'BEAR with me' would be a hit. Obviously, Bears in the woods is not a good search argument The search item can be enclosed in quotes. SEARCH BEE-L 'topic1' will only return exact references to topic1. This can be good news and bad. SEARCH BEE-L 'Bears in the woods' will return all posts containing the exact phrase 'bears in the woods' but will not return the post about the bear in the wood. Searches may also be delimited with dates. SEARCH BEE-L topic2 since April 1998 LISTSERV will return to sender all general references to topic2 made since April, 1998. SEARCH BEE-L 'topic2' since April 1998 will only return EXACT references to topic2 made since April 1998. Retrieving the posts: Results of the SEARCH command will be the 'post numbers' containing the reference to the requested topic. In the same response LISTSERV will include excerpts of the post which contains the reference to the topic. If that excerpt shows that the post is of interest to the user, the user must submit the GETPOST command to the server: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.albany.edu The format of the GETPOST command is: GETPOST BEE-L postnum1,postnum2,...,postnumn LISTSERV will THEN return to sender the entire post in which the topic was referenced. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Regards, -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com From lithar@midwest.net Mon May 31 08:35:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:25:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Message-ID: <37519ED3.20B8@midwest.net> References: <7iqflv$er4$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <19990530065051.08632.00004237@ngol08.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.41 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:36:55 GMT X-Trace: 928096615.788.16 JF3D7GB4M1C29D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17909 Jajwuth wrote: > > I have a real nice site that you envision. > Can I now label my honey "organic". > Who is Peter A. > Archives are tedious to search Heh heh heh - he enjoyed 15 min of fame here on the group a while back. You consider reading "tedious"? Something in your comments takes the shock & surprise out of that. BTW, how can you label your honey "organic", or anything else, when you don't *have* any honey? And that "nice site" you mention would appear to be standing empty. In an earlier post on May 30, you said you were "going to make" a TBH - well, its getting on in the season, kid, better get hustlin'. In the future you might want to preface your comments with "I've read that..." - oh, but I forgot, you find reading "tedious". AL From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Mon May 31 08:35:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round metal hive bottom Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:37:37 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 74 Message-ID: <7is3kg$ctm@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: <7irmb5$4ci@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> <19990530125401.10853.00005391@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.222.133.23 X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 30 12:30:24 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17910 BobPursley wrote in message: > I looked at the website, and quoting..."The principle of the anti-varroa >bottom board has come from the fact that: wild colonies of honey bees can be >found, free of varroa, in highly infested areas..." This is not a true fact >that I am aware of. In fact, my observation is that varroa has greatly reduced >the feral population, at least here in Texas. It may be difficult to find wild >colonies with great contamination of Varroa, generally because they are already >dead. If there are a few wild feral colonies really thriving, no doubt they are >still free of Varroa. > Am I incorrect here? I pulled that web site URL out of the Dec.98 issue of APIS. I remembered reading about it, and referencing a bottom board for Varroa combat being tested in France. I think it might offer the same benefits as a sticky board (poster board or wax paper sprayed with PAM) with an 8-mesh screen mounted on 3/16" to 3/8" rails sitting on top of it. Both seem to prevent the mites that have fallen from the bees from crawling back up into the hives and re-attaching themselves (each in their own way). The bees wouldn't be crawling through them on the bottom board floor either. As far as your question, no, you're not really incorrect. But... there are a few things to consider. Yes, the Varroa have devestated the feral bee population, killing almost all of them. However, due to the widespread area-scope of Varroa infestestion, those that are remaining are either 1.) Lucky (which is possible, but probably not probable), or 2.) Have built up a resistance through hygienic behavioral habits. Many testing programs, both abroad and here in the U.S., are having good success in finding some colonies that show high hygienic behavior. As you already know, bees usually keep their hives pretty darn clean of things like dead bees, pieces of trash, etc. But, even so, they may not be as bothered by smaller things likes mites. High hygienic behavior includes quickly removing dead brood from cells (testing with sections of brood frozen, then reinserted back into the hive, and timing the bees to see how quickly they remove the dead brood), and is now being carried farther by testers. Some honey bees have been known to actually *attack* mites as they are crawling across comb, and even proceed to maim, tear the legs off, bite and kill the mites. Breeders of Varroa resistant honey bees are isolating these colonies, and using them to build on this resistance into the race or strain they are working with. These very colonies, once identified, are then usually never treated with miticides or other chemicals... they're trying to get the European honey bees developed to defend for themselves similar to the Asian honey bee, Apis cerana (where the Varroa jacobsoni originally came from). So, it is likely that some of the remaining feral colonies at this point, because the mites have taken care of killing off the less hygienic colonies, have naturally developed resistance through better hygiene. If we can capitalize on these natural traits, we might be able to chuck those Apistan strips for good! You can find out more about breeding resistance into honey bees at Country Jack's Honeybee Farm "Honeybee Improvement Program" web site. I wish I knew the URL, but don't have it on me at the moment. Good information there, though. Anything we can do to help our bees fight those critters back naturally is to our advantage. Hope this helps... --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - PS - Hope things go good for you... I got my start in beekeeping in Texas also... Midland, TX, and know you guys are going through tough times with AHB quarantined counties, mites, etc. Keep your spirits up... I know we'll kick the plagues of this pale horse back where they came from someday. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Mon May 31 08:35:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:48:50 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3751A432.63B0738C@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990518132617.24410.00002034@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19990519015812.28133.00002204@ng-fu1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.66.188 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928097240 24345 12.72.66.188 (30 May 1999 20:47:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 1999 20:47:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17911 I weighed a quart of sugar to calculate that water and sugar have roughly the same density. Water is a little heavier, so my rule of thumb is 'just a little more sugar than water'. LauraMLeek wrote: > > I think the ratios are actually by VOLUME and or weight. Page 56 of "The > Beekeepers Handbook" suggests the following proportions by VOLUME > > 1:1 sugar to water for Spring ie: 1c water to 1c sugar > > 2:1 sugar to water for fall > > and > > 1:2 sugar to water for brood rearing > > Page 59 of "Complete guide to beekeeping" says the syrup mixture is by weight > OR measure. > > Laura From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Mon May 31 08:35:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive- crescent shape comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:37:21 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 97 Message-ID: <7isalh$hq3@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: <7ip3ca$cva@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <19990529135947.13700.00004237@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.222.133.1 X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 30 2:30:25 PM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17912 My mistake I guess... in your original message: Jajwuth wrote: >It puzzle me why a top >bar hive would not be made in the catenary shape because >of the shape of comb. I thought when you wrote the word "would", you were asking why the TBH's, which were mainly designed to be used in areas or countries with impoverished funds and/or sources, weren't designed with catenary curves... hence my reply: >The TBH's are used mainly because they "don't use much >material" and "are easy to construct" (making their use in >areas with little available material or funds more appropriate). Now if you had written "could", which I guess is what you were *really* asking, that would have been a different matter. However, when you mention: Jajwuth wrote in message: >The catenary shape would also be easy to construct and has more economy in >material than regular top bar hive. All you need is a bendable material. I question the source of such "more economical" and "bendable" material in those countries that would make TBH's "easy to construct". I don't know, that's why I'm asking. What material are you talking about? Is it strong enough to hold up to wear and tear? Is it stable enough not to warp or deform in varying climates? Does it provide enough protection from the elements (heat and cold in particular) for the bees? Is it a material that the bees themselves (the final deciding factor) will find suitable? I'd be curious. Egyptians used clay pipes... they had catenary curves. Lithuanians used logs laid on their sides, with the top cut off and hollowed out... they had catenary curves. Europeans used straw baskets (skeps turned upside down)... these had catenary curves. You may be set on using your half-log cedar siding, Jajwuth, but it might not be available as an economical alternative in many areas. I guess my point is, is that it depends on the area. Resources in one area may not be readily available in another. I've seen cement hive bodies, styrofoam hive bodies, etc., but these materials aren't readily available in the areas that TBH's were _originally_ designed to be used as a benefit to the people living there. I'm sure they've thought of everything. Heck, I first heard that nylon fishing line could be used to wire frames with from a beekeeper in Africa, as tinned wire is hard to come by (and much more expensive). >There >are many other valid reasons to choose top bar hive. The langstroth hive is >supremely difficult to construct well beyond skill level of the average >woodworker. Now that's not true at all. I don't even consider myself an "average" woodworker. I don't own a table saw... all I would need is a regular hand saw, a hammer, nails and a ruler. Glue and a chisel would be nice. Using the same lumber _most_ TBH's are built from, including the thinner strips of wood used for the topbars, I think I could put together a pretty sufficient langstroth-style hive with proper bee space. Sure, it would use more material, and take me a little longer to put the frames together, but I think I would have an easier time cutting square-cuts versus the angled cuts (where the TBH slope meets the bottom board), and probably be more precise, too. Using those very tools, together with a pocket knive and some sandpaper, I've built a small chest with inner tray for keeping tools, and a solar wax melter. That's all. So, as you can see, my skills, and tools, would be no more than average at best. >Personally I have only a passive interest in langstroth type hive and I would >not use one at this time. To each their own... that's what makes freedom so fine. I know you've got your heart set on nothing but TBH's, and everything else is just totally inferior in your mind. Just be careful though, as BOTH have their advantages, AND disadvantages. It all depends on what you need them to do, where you live, what resouces are available... and the list goes on and on. And, the products produced from one style hive are not "purer" or more "natural" than the other. That's just wishful thinking. I can get "pure, 100% all natural, 100% all bee-made" comb in a Hoffman frame just as easy as you can from topbar. One hive-style less "stressful" than the other? Doubt it... think it has *a lot* more to do with the beekeeper than the hive-style. I know the bees get stressed when you take away their honey, but they may even get more "stressed" when you take all of it away, comb AND honey, when you get down to pins and needles. It just makes sense... they now have to work a lot harder to create all that wax you took, all over again, *from scratch*. That would stress *me* out if I was a bee! As they say... "don't knock it until you've tried it". Good saying... try it. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From jajwuth@aol.com Mon May 31 08:35:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 May 1999 22:43:52 GMT References: <37519ED3.20B8@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530184352.08631.00004289@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17913 Let me clarify and expand on a few points: Reading is certainly not tedious but I dare say searching through internet archives is for me. Research into diseases is not my goal at this time but operation of a Top Bar Hive and non interchanging of brood frames would be a positive step towards lessening disease spread. Also the possible destructiblity of the (zero cost) Top Bar Hive versus chemical treatment is worth mentioning. That was my point. Never made any other claim that I am at the planning stage of this calling and here to stay. I have a pristine apiary site purchased although I do see a problem with black bears. I have the quality scrap materials to make my Top Bar Hives and am gathering more information.Design of Top Bar Hive is not finalized. I also have a general interest in byproducts of Top Bar Hive and apitherapy.Therefore purity of product is important.Top Bar Hive fits in well with developing countries and can be a focus for travel and a chance if one is so inclined to do some social good . The use of Top Bar Hives does not in itself a make it a hobby. I never thought there would be such a phobia to Top Bar Hives . All my posts are clearly labelled Top Bar Hive. I have several videos on Langsroth Type Hives they are not for me under the conditions I have to operate . regards to all From griffes@my-deja.com Mon May 31 08:35:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen right Queen rearing Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:44:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7isbgn$bf8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7ikcc3$9ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.93.23.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 30 21:44:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.93.23.38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17914 In article <7ikcc3$9ve$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, beeman221@my-deja.com wrote: > Has anyone experience in starting cells in a Queen right hive? I am > about to try Ruttners method of moving 4 combs of open brood into a > brood box above the excluder and after 2-3 hours giving 15 grafts. The > grafts are placed in the middle of the frames of open brood. Any > comments are welcome however I am located in north east Scotland and > our weather is justly famous... Peter, et al, I and a couple other HIP Cooperators have successfully done queenright cell building MANY times. Queenright start to finish. It does work. We set them up with open brood above excluder and right in middle a empty slot to put the cell bar frame (and queen below excluder) - go graft and then come back and pop top and set in cell bar frame - if you have it right the space left for the cell bar frame will be loaded with bees clinging to one another as they do when they build cells or draw foundation. If you think about bee biology in Nature you realize that the very best queens are those made during swarm preparation. Guess what they make the best natural queens in a queenright colony that has reduced but not eliminated queen pheremone. If you want the best results with bees you gotta replicate as nearly as possible the way that Nature gets them IMO. And there is a future study for some researcher - see if they can PROVE what way produces the best queens - I would sure like to see solid proof so I'll even help you set up the experimental design to insure you eliminate all possible variables and if you live somewhere we can legally do it I will send you a SDM queen to use as queen mother for the lot to eliminate that variable - all cell builders daughters of one SDM queen and then all grafts from that or another SDM queen to eliminate that variable - you get the drift. Though on occasion using any method of queen rearing things can go awry that may take a long spell of pondering to figure out the possible whys and wherefores. I can't imagine grafting only 15 cups into a cell builder worthy to be called one however. We generally graft 30-40 into a starter-finisher. And even in real early Spring here I have had good take on a graft of 30-40 just via packing out a 4-5 frame Nuc box - I mean putting 8-12 frames worth of bees in them so even when it gets real cool at night they have NO choice but to stay in full contact with the entire graft - on them cool days when there are still so many bees in that box that they can't all get inside well come night when it is real cool you still get full cover and full cover equates to cells getting well fed assuming they have access to both nutritious pollen and open honey. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beeman221@my-deja.com Mon May 31 08:35:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!cyc12.deja.bcandid.com!nntp1.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK supplier of Wired foundation Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:23:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7isa94$aks$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 30 21:23:47 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17915 In article , Paul Walton wrote: > In article , Mike Reddy > writes > >Anyone know a good supplier of wired foundation: specifically jumbo brood > >for langstroth? > > > >Mike > > > > I get mine from : > > E.H Thorne (Beehives) Ltd. > Beehive Works > Wragby > Market Rasen > Lincoln > LN8 5LA > > Tel: 01673 858555 > Fax: 01673 857004 > > Email: Thorne@dial.pipex.com > http://www.thorne.co.uk > > Its the same dimensions as M.D. deep foundation so it will cost you > £10.84 (standard grade) or £13.57 (premier) per pack of 10 sheets. > -- > Paul Walton > Bedfordshire, England > Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Dear Mike, I suggest you phone Peter Kemble on 01421 870737. I am pretty sure his prices will be less than Thornes. We hav delt with him for some years and have no complaints, in fact quite the opposite. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Mon May 31 08:35:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:55:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3751CFE6.5FF9@midwest.net> References: <37519ED3.20B8@midwest.net> <19990530184352.08631.00004289@ngol08.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.41 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:06:17 GMT X-Trace: 928109177.827.71 JF3D7GB4M1C29D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17916 Jajwuth wrote: > I never thought there would be such a phobia to Top Bar Hives . All my posts > are clearly labelled Top Bar Hive. I have several videos on Langsroth Type > Hives they are not for me under the conditions I have to operate . > You are not encountering a "phobia" here - you are ignoring some well thought out advice and opinions from some folks who have something valuable to share - if you'll just stop long enough to listen. No one told you *not* to use a TBH, I have one myself. But, you have taken it upon yourself to lecture to this group while clearly possessing *no* working knowledge of the endeavor - yer book learnin' seems a bit weak too. What I'd almost pay to see is a video of *you* operating your TBH (or any other sort of hive). Better keep a copy for "America's Funniest Home Videos" - you too could be a $10,000 winner. AL (a.t.S.) From jajwuth@aol.com Mon May 31 08:35:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 01:08:35 GMT References: <3751CFE6.5FF9@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990530210835.05085.00005744@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17917 Maybe everbody who posts to this newsgroup should also end there posting with some sort of legal disclaimer. A lot of the repliers seem to be cut and paste artists. Its easy to quote a part of what I say out of context and then do a cut up job. Geez I have really been put in my place by a man who has one top bar hive. If that is not hypocritical. I'll need help with my bees once I have them installed in my top bar hives. I really respect the little critters. I know there is lots of expert beekeepers in this group. regards to all From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Mon May 31 08:35:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Flow Eastern PA? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:06:10 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7isufn$fuv$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.22.33 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 928120119 16351 12.68.22.33 (31 May 1999 03:08:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 03:08:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17918 Hi all, I have a 2 year old hive in eastern Pennsylvania near Downningtown. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how long the honeyflow is in this area. I am relativly new to beekeeping and have never kept them in this area. What types of plants are they collecting from and how long is the heaviest part? Also, is there a later flow in June and July? Thanks, Gabe From nlptrd@sssdfdf.org Mon May 31 08:35:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.225.0.2!news.ruraltel.net!not-for-mail From: nlptrd@sssdfdf.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: YOURE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS! 5973 Date: 31 May 1999 00:13:12 GMT Organization: Rural Telephone Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7isk6o$5qjv$5362@news.ruraltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 98aa3b3f.ipt.aol.com X-Trace: news.ruraltel.net 928109592 191103 255.255.255.255 (31 May 1999 00:13:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ruraltel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 00:13:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17919 ukzcnvyolh From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 31 08:35:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rush hour? NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 May 1999 02:34:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3752001E.3AD3@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19990530223441.01107.00002325@ng-cq1.aol.com> Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17920 From: Kent Stienburg >I have been noticing that my hives all get VERY busy around the entrance >starting at 3:30 and lasting until 4:00. Afterwards they settle back >down. It appears that the bee traffic is going in both direction, with >maybe the greater percent returning to the hive. They are all pretty >much normal activity through out the rest of the day. You have enormous numbers of young bees coming on right now, getting ready for the big flow. The first time they fly, they don't usually go out to forage, they just get oriented. These are called play flights, or orientation flights. The young bees circle higher and higher, until they have mapped the site in their little brains. Sometimes you will also see a hive take a young queen out to mate. The amount of flight can be so much that you might think they are leaving as a swarm. Apparently it's a pretty exciting time for all the worker bees. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Mon May 31 08:35:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: alt.bees.gluttons Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:12:05 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3751FE05.464A1E3A@worldnet.att.net> References: <7hpjen$isb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <19990517225954.16308.00001751@ng-da1.aol.com> <18345B6C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.2.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928120310 12269 12.72.2.66 (31 May 1999 03:11:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 03:11:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17921 I do so love a good hissy fit! Aaron Morris wrote: > > This whole discussion is one that always makes me want to scream! That > so many people will spend so much time on so many lists discussing this > to such depths is just folly! > Now, can we please get back to serious beekeeping? > > Aaron Morris - thinking "Spring, runny - Fall, thick"! 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From lithar@midwest.net Mon May 31 08:35:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:28:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37520FEB.1BB2@midwest.net> References: <3751CFE6.5FF9@midwest.net> <19990530210835.05085.00005744@ngol03.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.41 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 04:39:26 GMT X-Trace: 928125566.940.23 JF3D7GB4M1C29D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17924 Well, kid, it looks like its down to the name calling, that's where I get off the boat. You carry on, bub, and impress the socks off anyone willing to read your posts. Don't forget to vidie your foray into the bee "business" - it should be a real hoot. Training films on how *not* to, are every bit as valuable as their counterparts. AL Jajwuth wrote: > > Maybe everbody who posts to this newsgroup should also end there posting with > some sort of legal disclaimer. > > A lot of the repliers seem to be cut and paste artists. Its easy to quote a > part of what I say out of context and then do a cut up job. > > Geez I have really been put in my place by a man who has one top bar hive. > > If that is not hypocritical. > > I'll need help with my bees once I have them installed in my top bar hives. I > really respect the little critters. I know there is lots of expert beekeepers > in this group. > > regards to all From barry_athol@my-deja.com Mon May 31 08:35:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: barry_athol@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying used beekeeping equipment Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:41:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7iloct$8f8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990425114022.00278.00000611@ngol05.aol.com> <19990518213842.08345.00003164@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.24.148.241 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 09:41:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.wag.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 proxy1.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.37.7.93, 203.37.7.3, 203.24.148.241 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17925 In article <19990518213842.08345.00003164@ngol02.aol.com>, queenmkr@aol.com (Queenmkr) wrote: > The question really should be is it worth buying new equipment when it's so > cheep and easy to get used stuff. I recently bought deeps with comb for $8 > each. I can't put a box together for that. > > Mark > I was just browsing and noticed this discussion re used equipment, I think that there are too many risks with disease and other contamination with used hive equipment and would only buy it if the vendor could provide certification that the equipment is disease and other contaminant free Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From barry_athol@my-deja.com Mon May 31 08:35:19 EDT 1999 Article: 17926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: barry_athol@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:52:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <7ilp05$8qt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.24.148.241 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 09:52:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.wag.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 proxy1.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.37.7.93, 203.37.7.3, 203.24.148.241 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17926 In article <374E108C.98A3BE7E@midtown.net>, JKimbro wrote: > I've had a similar reaction. In fact it's on the verge of worrying me. I > picked up an Epipen just to be safe. I got zapped in the thigh with just the > normal, 'oh damn,,,I just got stung',,, but then I got stung in the ankle and > it swelled up for four days! I've been keeping bees for about four years now > with no other serious reactions,,,I just can't help but to think it would be > just MY luck that now I'm allergic! > > Mike Reddy wrote: > > > Changing the base board on my Langstroth hive - adding a varroa floor > > (sigh) - I got two bees in my hood, which stung me on neck and back of > > head, and I was stung once on each arm. The head and left arm stings were > > a minor irritation, but the stingers were removed fairly quickly; hard to > > do when you have to keep the hood and gloves on! However, the right arm > > sting was down my glove, and I had to reassemble the hive, doing quite a > > bit of hefting, before I could attend to it. I also had quite a few > > followers, hence the delay. This sting was from an angrier bee > > > > What is interesting is that the last sting made my arm swell much more > > than the other stings. Is there some correlation to time to remover the > > sting and/or the anger of the bees? I am fairly sure it's not allergic > > response as the other stings I hardly noticed. > > > > Mike > > P.S. Piriton syrup is a good bet as an antihistamine as it does not > > contain lactose (too which I am allergic) and is fairly vvegetarian! > > > > -- > > The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! > > -- > > Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) > > Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ > > Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, > > Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. > > TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 > > HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) > > I've had similar where a bee got into my pants and stung me behind the knee, it was some hours before I took the sting out. The site of the sting ulcerated(this was treated successfully with honey. I most usually only get slight localised swelling from multiple (10-15+) stings. So I checked around and found that the sting itself is apparently made of protein, which our body attacks and disolves and I think that it is the residual soup that causes the problem. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From barry_athol@my-deja.com Mon May 31 08:35:20 EDT 1999 Article: 17927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: barry_athol@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help!! my bees are swarming Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:06:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ilpqv$98m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <374d5e2b.20534058@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.24.148.241 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 28 10:06:23 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.wag.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 proxy1.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.37.7.93, 203.37.7.3, 203.24.148.241 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17927 In article <374d5e2b.20534058@news.ntplx.net>, markm@ntplx.net (mmm) wrote: > As I was in my garden, I noticed a huge mass of bees around my fairly > inactive hive. Right now there are thousands of bees just milling > around the outside of the hive. From seeing queens cells capped in > recent weeks, all indications are that they are swarming. > > Since I'm a newbee, is there anything I can do? > > mark > It depends what result you want to achieve and what the season is like there. #1 If there is lots of pollen and nectar around and you want you can split the hive into two. Of course you need a spare set of boxes, frames etc. If you want to do this let me know and I scan and e-mail a full set of instructions to you #2 A young virgin queen may have emerged and killed or otherwise removed the older queen, if this has happened the virgin queen should have gone right through the hive and killed all the other queen cells. If this is the case then all the bees flying about will be the virging queen doing her mating flight. #3 Maybe the bees just don't have enough room in the hive and the weather has been a bit hot and they are outside to cool down. It's really a bit hard to say without a bit more detail and recent history. Barry Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From shuston@riverace.com Mon May 31 08:35:21 EDT 1999 Article: 17928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on wiring new foundation? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:21:16 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 38 Message-ID: <374E8A3C.DE2467C3@riverace.com> References: <374D8D25.3F4765A2@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dc47LB+lmPbknMIWjnhnJpLhd7KQla3j5c5VnmaLOYA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1999 12:21:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17928 Thanks for the advice folks! I did order the eyelets, so I'm set there. I tried a new technique yesterday which worked better. BTW, I apparantly have the stiffer form of wire - once bent, it doesn't pull through eyelets well at all. I cut a piece of wire as long as I needed to get across the frame the 3 (or 4, for deep) times. Thread it through, being careful not to bend it, so leaving it loose where it turns around to come back across the frame. Anchor one end to a nail. Start at the top, doing: - Pull end of wire to get it tight across the frame; using pliers helps, but be careful not to break the wire. When tight, bend the wire down towards the next eyelet. - Hold it against the outside of the end bar with finger. - Reach to the other end of the frame, and pull it tight on the next row down. and so on, until all rows are tight. Then anchor the other end to another nail, trim the excess. Then run the embedding tool over each row. The crimper seems like a handy tool. Maybe next time I order things, I'll get one. Right now, I'm in a but of a rush to get these wired and in the hive. My new nuc-started hive is ready for its second brood box, and the first hive is ready for a honey super. Yee-ha! Thanks again, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon May 31 08:35:22 EDT 1999 Article: 17929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-37kacsa.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:53:22 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.33.8a X-Server-Date: 28 May 1999 12:42:37 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17929 In article <19990527000525.15034.00000617@ng-fn1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Concerning Nectar... and Honey > > What types of sugar compounds Exist in Nectar 1. Sucrose 2. Dunno > > What Types of sugar compounds do the bees convert this into for storage as > Honey ( or for their use in general ) > 1. Glucose 2. Fructose Thanks again for these educational threads, KJ! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lambert@nordnet.fr Tue Jun 1 06:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 17930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!nordnet.fr!not-for-mail From: "eric lambert" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,fr.soc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: L'Eau miracle Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:18:17 +0200 Organization: NordNet, l'Internet des gens du Nord Message-ID: <7itctp$u5k$1@news.nordnet.fr> References: <7i9mat$27m$1@wanadoo.fr> <7iem08$6u3$1@wanadoo.fr> <7ihdii$fdo$2@wanadoo.fr> <7ijpql$fhu$1@news.nordnet.fr> <7ipnig$b1a$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "eric lambert" NNTP-Posting-Host: port2-49.nordnet.fr X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3230 alt.agriculture.beef:1683 alt.agriculture.commodities:319 alt.agriculture.fruit:9081 alt.agriculture.misc:10970 alt.agriculture.technology:333 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22535 sci.agriculture:34649 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17930 sci.agriculture.fruit:2774 Ok pour ta gélatine, j'avais entendu parler il y a une petite dizaine d'année de ce procédé qui était présenter pour remplacer les pot " riviéra" c'est à dire ceux avec une réserve d'eau, mais l'usage était simplement pour le loisir vu le prix de la matière. Il me semble qu'a l'époque cela s"appelait 'le grain d'eau" et cela devait être fabriqué ou vendu dans l'Est de la France. Mais si cela existe maintenant pour les professionnels, je suis pret à faire une expérimentation avec le vendeur de ce produit. A + Eric From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 1 06:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:49:56 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.64.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 928176583 15900 12.72.64.36 (31 May 1999 18:49:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 18:49:43 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17931 Last week I was stung on my left earlobe and scraped out the stinger. Each time I re-approached the hive, a few angry bees zeroed in on my left ear. I've read where a sting releases an alarm chemical which enables other bees to locate an enemy, and my question is how long this chemical scent persists. In this particular case, I left the area for thirty minutes, then returned to re-assemble the hive without trouble. Peter Amschel wrote: > had the whole thing opened up with frames leaning everywhere and with > bees all over the place when they discovered my vulnerable ankles. I > controlled the urge to flee as they started stinging my ankles. There > were about 5 stings on each ankle by the time I got the hive bodies put > back together and re-stacked. From hensler@povn.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 17932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT-long-was top bar hive-best honey comb Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:16:56 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 83 Message-ID: <3752E028.7004@povn.com> References: <3751CFE6.5FF9@midwest.net> <19990530210835.05085.00005744@ngol03.aol.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp218.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17932 Jajwuth wrote: Yo Jajwuth: When I saw the subject heading on this post I thought you had discovered a *great* new bar called the Hive so, being know to sip a wee bit of beer on occasion, I had to take a look. Now that I'm here I sort of feel obligated to offer my two cents worth, based solely on my several years of beekeeping experience coupled with very little knowledge of the subject. :-) >From what posts of yours I have read, it really doesn't take a "cut-and-paste" artist to provide plenty of fuel for anyone even slightly inclined to heartily disagree with your opinionated stand in regards to the "only" proper method for sane beekeeping. And, as pointed out here recently, beekeepers have a tendency to be somewhat testy even on a good day. :-) I don't know that the person in question was trying to "put you in your place." From what I read he was justifiably terse in pointing out to you that no one was trying to tell *you* how to manage *your* bees, and sort of suggested that you might consider extending the same sense of decency to the other members of the list? Hypocritical? In what way exactly? As for him only having one top bar hive, at least it would appear that he would have actual experience with one more top bar hive than you currently have. Not to mention his experience with other types for comparison as well. Seems to me that was exactly the "expert" advice you were looking for??? See my preceding paragraph. On the surface it would appear what we have here is a failure to communicate. Although my bees provide a very valuable service to our commercial hybridizing nursery, I would have to classify myself as a hobby beekeeper. Although I have been a member of this group for several years I usually lurk as there are many members who are extremely more qualified to reply to the questions posted than I am. One of the most impressive lessons I have learned here over the years is that of all the news groups and L-lists that my wife and I are members of, this is the one where all levels of experience can come for non-judgemental information, freely given in a completely ego-free environment. This is especially impressive when you consider that the professional beekeepers on this list are in the midst of their busy season, but still manage to somehow find the time to try to help a newcomer in need. Lord knows we need new beekeepers like you to come into the business/hobby. If you could only relax long enough to let your hackles chill out I'm sure as you gain practical experience you would have to agree that 99% of the advice offered here is top-notch. I believe that it has already been pointed out to you that no one here is trying to dissuade you from using whatever type bee hive as your little heart desires. However, I do fear that you are unlikely to receive much useful advice when you need it in the future if you continue repeatedly preaching to one and all that they don't know what the hell they are doing… Sorry for both the soap box and the length. Do with it as you will… Skip a. t. A. -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From bill.mundy@zbee.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 17933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another Question Message-ID: <928179962@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:29:04 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 662d9c00 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(395) Did anyone see the recent article in the Daily Telegraph (London) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928181891 442 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17933 concerning the discovery in Australia of Workers that start to lay and usurp the Queen? I've lost, my copy! I think it went on to say that the "discovers" are endeavouring to breed the strain! To what purpose? Does anyone know or have any ideas? William S. Mundy. --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From bill.mundy@zbee.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Message-ID: <928179961@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:06:20 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 662d46d7 REPLY: 240:44/0 f0382107 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(395) My understanding is, that in Nectar, the only Sugar is Sucrose. The X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928181889 442 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17934 chemical formula for which is C12 H22 O12. This is inverted by the Honeybee by the addition of Invetase (ferment) H2 O to give two simple sugars Fructose (l‘vulose) C6 H12 O6 and Glucose (dextrose) C6 H12 O6 Question - seeing that two "simple" sugars are each half of the Sucrose + Invetase how is it that Honey may sometimes comprise more Glucose than Fructose and crystallise (granulate) more quickly? ( e.g.Oil Seed Rape) William Mundy. --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Jun 1 06:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 17935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive-corner Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:51:58 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37520FEB.1BB2@midwest.net> <19990531073453.25969.00001326@ngol02.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 31 May 1999 20:48:18 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon May 31 13:55:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp258.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3752f284.300318491@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17935 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Would like to hear about positive experiences in the use of Top Bar Hives. I've enjoyed using top bar hives. My most positive experiences with them have been the joy of helping people become beekeepers (overseas) who could not afford to become beekeepers without such an inexpensive way to get started. I have also found them to be a good way to expand knowledge of bees and beekeeping. Like any beekeeping, it takes a few seasons to become proficient at working with top bar hives. Compared to a standard framed hive, they take a greater understanding of honey bee behavior, and it is easier to go wrong. Some of my experiences with top bar hives page are on my web site, on the Top Bar Hives page. - John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Jun 1 06:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 17936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, and ANTS ? Date: Mon, 31 May 99 20:28:58 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <7innsq$1r38$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.93 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:27:45 GMT X-Trace: 928186065.470.76 KRFRRPH9I1C5DCF95C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17936 Hi, So far as I know , Black ants are carpenter ants . It's the ones that have red AND black parts that are the good guys . The little bitty ants, are the first year progeny of a new ant queen . Once she has a worker force, they'll find a better home, and settle in . There are small species of ants, but in north America, I'd go after all-black ants with vigor, and vengeance . Whatever their size . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 5/28/99 8:45PM, in message <7innsq$1r38$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>, Shelley Corbin wrote: i finally opened up my hive and found on the outside small black ants crawling around. should i worry or not? the previous notes sound like i shouldst. From bill.mundy@zbee.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: G M Crops again! Message-ID: <928179963@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:14:02 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/128 662e44bf PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(395) It maym be of interest to report that because G>M>Oil seed rape is said to X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 928181893 442 194.112.32.19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17937 be sown in this area, I wrote to two local M.P.s, stating that a 6m barrier of non G.M. seed around the test area would no t prevent pollination by Honeybees I then asked two questions - a) as analysis of honey is expensive - Would the Government pay for honey from Hives in the are of foraging to be analysed? b) If found to be unsuitable for sale, would compensation be paid for the loss of the surplus? I received a two page letter from The Lord Donoughue, Minister for farming and the food industry together with 72 pages of Fact Sheets and Reports. Space not time permits copying the whole of the letter - the following extracts are given - "It is a Government priority to ensure that the use of g.m. to produce mnew crops and food does not threaten environmental safety of public health." "The Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes....... conclusion was that the intake level of gene products from pollen in honey was likely to be neglioble". 3 other research projects asupport3ed this conclusion. " The Government view is that all food containing GM material should be labelled. However, the European Commission is currently considering the practicality of setting threshold levels below which labelling is not required This would apply, for example, to products containing negligible amounts of GM material". "I can confirm that the Government has no plans for such a scheme". (This refers to compensation) William Mundy. --- * Origin: Dartford Beekeeping Association Beenet Point (240:244/128) From tdobbs@aug.edu Tue Jun 1 06:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 17938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.atl.mindspring.net!170.140.150.7.MISMATCH!finch!cronkite.cc.uga.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.aug.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy Dobbs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Harvest Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:27:47 -0400 Organization: Augusta State University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> Reply-To: tdobbs@aug.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: phpted.aug.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17938 What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to harvest honey? Tim Dobbs tdobbs@aug.edu From dscribnr@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:08 EDT 1999 Article: 17939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:59:24 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7iv09m$hq7@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> References: <928179961@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 31 4:51:50 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17939 Bill Mundy wrote: >chemical formula for which is C12 H22 O12. > > This is inverted by the Honeybee by the addition of Invetase (ferment) H2 O >to give two simple sugars Fructose (l‘vulose) C6 H12 O6 and Glucose >(dextrose) C6 H12 O6 > > Question - seeing that two "simple" sugars are each half of the Sucrose + >Invetase how is it that Honey may sometimes comprise more Glucose than Fructose >and crystallise (granulate) more quickly? ( e.g.Oil Seed Rape) > > William Mundy. Could it be that nectar, which contains varying amounts of sucrose, along with glucose and fructose (as well as maltose, etc.), and contains higher quantities of one of those simple sugars (particularly glucose, as per your question) in different types of flowers, throw the balance to that sugar's favor after inversion? Personally, I've never studied the sugar make up of the different nectars out there in detail, but I have heard that alfalfa, alsike or red clovers and vetches were sucrose dominant, nectar from crucifers usually contain only glucose and fructose, and nectar from sweet clover is pretty much balanced between the three sugars. Assuming you have a nectar comprised of the three sugars, but having a greater composition in glucose, upon inversion of the sucrose, an even greater balance would be shifted to the glucose level. Oil Seed Rape nectar, if having a much higher composition of glucose to start with, would make the end result after inversion very high in glucose, leading to granulation I could be wrong... but hey, it's just a thought! --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - From cosmetics@simplypure.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 06:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding hived swarm Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:17:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7iv24e$ba6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.caffeine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 928189390 11590 62.136.56.64 (31 May 1999 22:23:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:23:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17940 They may have only taken half your feed but I sure they have had full belly's flying back to the hive. Leave the feed there and after one or two cold wet days you'll find it empty. Ok. you do not have to stop there they have a lot of work to do making new comb, that takes energy. Bill Collins wrote in message news:owu43.4541$yr2.1956@news.indigo.ie... > Hi I'm a Dublin based newcomer to bees > I was lucky enough to come across a swarm last week which with the help of > an experienced beekeeper I managed to hive. I've tried feeding the swarm, > but they have only taken about half the syrup feed (2 bags sugar 1/2 gal > water mixed. ) > The bees appear to be bringing in lots of pollen to the hive. The feeder I > made from an empty catering tin of instant coffee which I made perforations > in the lid . This I placed over the opening in the crown board . > Any advice,comments appreciated. > Thanks Bill Collins > > > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 06:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 17941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Harvest Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:20:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7iv3dj$4rp$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-16.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928190707 4985 62.136.19.16 (31 May 1999 22:45:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:45:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17941 There is a question to spark a lively debate! Can I open it by saying 'a bee blower'? Timothy Dobbs wrote in message <3752F0C3.B1384D5F@aug.edu>... >What is the easiest and quickest way to remove bees from supers to >harvest honey? >Tim Dobbs >tdobbs@aug.edu > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 06:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:44:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7iv3dm$4rp$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <928179961@zbee.com> <7iv09m$hq7@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-16.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928190710 4985 62.136.19.16 (31 May 1999 22:45:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:45:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17942 Sucrose is almost completely absent from the nectar of most cruciferae and glucose predominates in the nectar of brassica napus (oil seed rape); this explains its tendency to granulate rapidly. David Scribner wrote in message <7iv09m$hq7@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>... >Bill Mundy wrote: >>chemical formula for which is C12 H22 O12. >> >> Question - seeing that two "simple" sugars are each half of the Sucrose >+ >>Invetase how is it that Honey may sometimes comprise more Glucose than >Fructose >>and crystallise (granulate) more quickly? ( e.g.Oil Seed Rape) >> >> William Mundy. > >Could it be that nectar, which contains varying amounts of sucrose, along >with glucose and fructose (as well as maltose, etc.), and contains higher >quantities of one of those simple sugars (particularly glucose, as per your >question) in different types of flowers, throw the balance to that sugar's >favor after inversion? > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 06:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 17943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding hived swarm Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:31:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7iv3dl$4rp$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-16.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928190709 4985 62.136.19.16 (31 May 1999 22:45:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:45:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17943 That is good news - they are finding plenty of forage and like it better than your syrup. You need feed a swarm only when there is no natural forage, for example, if the weather turns bad just after hiving them. Bill Collins wrote in message ... I've tried feeding the swarm, >but they have only taken about half the syrup feed (2 bags sugar 1/2 gal >water mixed. ) >The bees appear to be bringing in lots of pollen to the hive. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 1 06:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:49:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7iv3nb$54d$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-122.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 928191019 5261 62.136.90.122 (31 May 1999 22:50:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 1999 22:50:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17944 Sorry - missed the word "know" (see below) Peter Edwards wrote in message <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - it is >also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse bees KNOW >that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure about >the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; if the effect lasted for a long >time then colonies would be constantly on the attack and this would not be >good for the colonies (or anyone else for that matter!). > From bobpursley@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 17945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1999 00:53:51 GMT References: <928179961@zbee.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990531205351.26168.00006405@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17945 In article <928179961@zbee.com>, bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) writes: > >chemical formula for which is C12 H22 O12. > > This is inverted by the Honeybee by the addition of Invetase (ferment) H2 >O >to give two simple sugars Fructose (l‘vulose) C6 H12 O6 and Glucose >(dextrose) C6 H12 O6 > > Question - seeing that two "simple" sugars are each half of the Sucrose + >Invetase how is it that Honey may sometimes comprise more Glucose than >Fructose >and crystallise (granulate) more quickly? ( e.g.Oil Seed Rape) > Sucrose is not C12H24O12, it is C12H24O11. The formulas for glucose and fructose are correct. The problem posed in the question is not exactly kosher, that is, sucrose in a water solution is not all sucrose, it is in an equilibrium reaction with glucose (three forms) and fructose in the water as well. Additionally, in many nectars, sucrose is not the predominate sugar, it may be glucose or fructose, or a combination. I remember reading Von Frisch's dissertation in which many nectars were analyzed, many different sugars, simple, disaccarides, and polysacharides were present, and the analysis was different for different species. It is not surprising to me that different floral sources yield different compositions of sugars in honey. Some of the sugars in the nectars were "sweet" to bees, but not to humans. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 17946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: things to check for in hive NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 08:20:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7inpvo$16d2$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19990529042012.19943.00006230@ng-ft1.aol.com> Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17946 >okay, tomorrow i will open up my hive for the second time and check for >how the queen is laying. i was too > what else should i check for? look for eggs, check for disease look for wax moth damage( sign of a weak hive or other problems ) check bottom board for beetles, open a few drone cells checkin for varroa, look for queen cells Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best time to hive a swarm Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 08:27:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990529001237.28074.00003087@ng-cc1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990529042714.19943.00006231@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17947 >I don't recollect any book I've read recommending a preferred time of day to >hive a swarm. Any advice? > late afternoon, near dusk but not in the dark Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 17948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Variable reaction to bee stings - strange? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 08:45:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7in6rv$p5h$7@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990529044539.19943.00006232@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17948 >Taken orally they operate too slowly to >prevent a serious reaction in a person who is allergic (although they may >ease discomfort for new beekeepers still acquiring True to a point, the Benadryl liquid filled caplets can be pierced and squeezed out under the tongue. I wouldn't rely on it entirely rather using it in conjuction with an epi pen. But this does work very quickly for mild reactions such as local swelling after 10-15 stings. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 17949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 May 1999 11:52:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7in6rp$p5h$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990529075245.03520.00006399@ng-fb1.aol.com> Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17949 Very good answers from everyone. Study hard, the next one will be tricky !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.atl.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-2ivet13.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:08:12 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <7in6rp$p5h$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990529075245.03520.00006399@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.74.23 X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 1999 02:55:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17950 In article <19990529075245.03520.00006399@ng-fb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Very good answers from everyone. > Study hard, the next one will be tricky !! > > You wascally wabbit. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 17951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.atl.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!user-2ivet13.dialup.mindspring.com!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lets Take a Test # 5 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:09:05 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <928179961@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.74.23 X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 1999 02:55:55 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17951 In article <928179961@zbee.com>, bill.mundy@zbee.com (Bill Mundy) wrote: > chemical formula for which is C12 H22 O12. > > This is inverted by the Honeybee by the addition of Invetase (ferment) H2 O > to give two simple sugars Fructose (l‘vulose) C6 H12 O6 and Glucose > (dextrose) C6 H12 O6 > > Question - seeing that two "simple" sugars are each half of the Sucrose + > Invetase how is it that Honey may sometimes comprise more Glucose than Fructose > and crystallise (granulate) more quickly? ( e.g.Oil Seed Rape) > > I knew I shoulda kept my trap shut... :( -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1999 03:01:18 GMT References: <7hct8h$epf$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17952 I have a hobby greenhouse. I put a few cherry tomato plants in the greenhouse to see how they would develop. I also have herbs in the greenhouse. My question is does pollination have to occur by bees. I know large greenhouse operators use bumble bees. Do I have to do anything to get a crop of tomatoes. From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 17953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee in Brother Adam Video Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1999 03:23:00 GMT References: <373D9A1E.26F0C28F@hotmail.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990531232300.17931.00004957@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17953 I have a video on Brother Adam that I taped off TV years ago. In video one scene shows Brother Adam siting on a patio with some dudes having a beer or wine talking about buckfast bees. Behind them is a huge painted bee made of plywood. My question does anybody know where I can get a tracing plan for a large bee like one in video. From pollinator@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 17954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 03:26:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990531232622.14538.00008341@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17954 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >I have a hobby greenhouse. I put a few cherry tomato plants in the greenhouse >to see how they would develop. I also have herbs in the greenhouse. My >question >is does pollination have to occur by bees. I know large greenhouse operators >use bumble bees. Do I have to do anything to get a crop of tomatoes. Honeybees have been used in greenhouses for pollination, but they are difficult to manage, and they don't prefer tomatoes. I think your best bet for a small planting, as you seem to have is simply to shake the plants, or provide a fan that shakes them a bit. Tomatoes are self fertile, but still need something to move the pollen. If the air is still your pollination is apt to be poor. You may have blossom drop or have small, poor quality fruit. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jun 1 06:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 17955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollination of tomato plants in hobby greenhouse Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:22:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990531230118.25969.00001460@ngol02.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990601002212.12514.00009266@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:17955 The following letter and response is taken from the letters section of Traditional Gardening magazine, which can be accessed at www.traditionalgardening.com: Dear Michael, I was happy to learn about your Web site on National Public Radio's Living on Earth program, and I'm eager to browse it. What is the feasibility of growing tomatoes indoors during the winter. Is it possible, and if so, under what conditions? Grocery store tomatoes just don't cut it. Sincerely, Valerie Dear Valerie, While growing tomatoes indoors sounds like a great idea (I tried it several years ago in our greenhouse), in general it's a complicated process best left to experts - which doesn't seem to include me, as I didn't fare too well. The problem is that tomatoes require a very warm environment (at least 65 F) and supplemental artificial lighting (to compensate for the shorter days) in order to set fruit over the winter. These are both expensive to provide, however, and make the per pound cost of the tomatoes prohibitive. There is also the question of pollination. Many tomato varieties have to be pollinated indoors by hand. The specialty greenhouse varieties that do self-pollinate don't seem to taste like much. Finally, numerous pests seem to adore tomatoes indoors - aphids and white fly among them. All in all, growing tomatoes inside during the winter seems like a no-win situation for the average gardener.